The NXR Podcast - THE FRIDAY SPECIAL - Transhumanism & Artificial Intelligence ｜ Ep 2 with @TheCultishShow

00:00:00.000 Transhumanism is a philosophical, intellectual, and profoundly spiritual movement that advocates 0.87

00:00:13.780 for the enchantment of human capacities through the use of science, technology, and witchcraft.

00:00:19.860 It seeks to overcome the biological limitations and enhance human, intellectual, physical,

00:00:25.140 and psychological capabilities, ultimately aiming to achieve a post-human condition.

00:00:31.600 Central to the transhumanist thought is the belief in the potential of emerging technologies

00:00:36.200 such as artificial intelligence, biotechnology, nanotechnology, and robotics to radically

00:00:41.860 transform human existence. Its ultimate aim is to achieve human immortality, or perhaps better said,

00:00:48.780 for man to be as god here we go transhumanism and artificial intelligence guys kick us off

00:00:58.160 andrew what do you to start with this artificial intelligence there are different kinds

00:01:03.360 can you can you help us with understanding like you know like that like the christian who

00:01:09.280 is gonna you know use chat gpt that's in right yeah what kind of artificial intelligence are

00:01:16.400 we talking about? Yeah, that's a good question. So using chat GPT is sin. I am a sinner. I'm a

00:01:22.740 sinner regardless needing of repentance. But yeah, so I use artificial intelligence, right? I think

00:01:27.380 artificial intelligence can be used to the glory of God. Artificial intelligence also like mid

00:01:32.280 journey. I use that to create art. It's actually art that I can use even in YouTube thumbnails.

00:01:37.440 It's not art that I have to pay for because it's not essentially being made by humans. It's being

00:01:41.820 made by some form of artificial intelligence. So when we're thinking about artificial

00:01:47.400 intelligence, transhumanism, we have to think about these things correctly in forms of

00:01:53.280 biblically, right? So we don't actually get to the point of people like Elon Musk and other people

00:02:00.160 who are transhumanists thinking that they can avoid the ramifications of death by transferring

00:02:04.180 their consciousness into some type of computer. So the conversation can go in many different

00:02:10.100 routes, but when I like to think of artificial intelligence, I think of systems developed by

00:02:15.400 individuals to try to make the lives of humans easier, right? But these systems are not neutral,

00:02:22.760 okay? These systems are made by humans. So when we're thinking about ChatGPT, for example,

00:02:28.820 you can ask it certain questions, but it is biased. It'll respond and say, well, I don't think that

00:02:35.620 you're being politically correct. And I need to be soft with the way I explain things. Uh, and you

00:02:41.240 go, well, chat GPT, I don't agree with you. You can have an argument with this artificial

00:02:44.720 intelligence. It shows you that it's not neutral. So that's, I think the basic starting point and

00:02:50.160 premise, at least for the conversation on transhumanism and artificial intelligence is,

00:02:55.020 well, how should we look at it as Christians? What are your thoughts on that, Joel?

00:03:00.860 Yeah. Well, yeah, I, I, I think that's helpful. Uh, first thing to understand is it's not

00:03:05.320 neutral it's it's the collective it's been it's being taught you know and like as more and more

00:03:11.200 people use chat gpt and other you know narrow ai that's that's a part of it too is like understanding

00:03:18.500 the difference between narrow ai versus open ai you know and then and then all that you know

00:03:23.420 versus transhumanism and those kinds of things you know so it's this we're talking about narrow ai

00:03:29.500 it's um it's it's basically it's a it's we've been using ai for a long time i think that's what i

00:03:37.880 want people to realize like narrow ai we've been using for a long time that's what google is any

00:03:42.720 search engine that's what uh maps your your apple maps or google like if you've ever uh you know

00:03:49.280 used gps even before cell phones you know like if you had a gps thing in your car that like with a

00:03:54.840 voice that says go this direction or siri or what like um you've been using ai and so so to say one

00:04:02.120 i draw the line at uh you know mid-journey or i draw the line at gpt um that's that's cute you

00:04:10.520 know that's but uh that's baseless inconsistent not principled so just don't call it christian

00:04:16.760 just say i arbitrarily and randomly for no reason at all have decided this so you know if that's

00:04:23.160 Everyone's welcome to be inconsistent and arbitrary.

00:04:25.820 That's fine. You can do that.

00:04:27.040 But just don't pretend that it's a principle.

00:04:29.460 But there is a line, though,

00:04:31.200 between narrow AI and open AI.

00:04:34.500 I would be curious to hear both of you guys,

00:04:37.000 and we can start with you, Jeremiah,

00:04:38.200 but I'm pretty confident

00:04:43.480 that true open artificial intelligence

00:04:47.860 and transhumanism, I don't think that it's possible.

00:04:51.360 I really don't think that it's something that man will ever be able to achieve.

00:04:56.060 Right. When we kind of talk about this, what I think is most important, you know, you have a lot of times Christians, especially in the apologetic realm, people are asking about, you know, evidentialism versus presuppositionalism.

00:05:09.340 I think specifically within the category of transhumanism and artificial intelligence, I don't see evidentialism as really useful and hardly practically really any way.

00:05:19.900 I see really the only way this can really be approached is understanding truly the presuppositional apologetics, specifically having a true understanding, as Bonson referred to, the preconditions of intelligibility, and really understanding not only that, but even like who ontologically, like who are we truly as human beings?

00:05:40.180 Like, are we truly made in the image of God? Do we have justifiable, can we give accounting for us having distinctions? Are you, am I truly distinct from you, or am I truly distinct from you with my own personality, personhood, or are we truly part of some sort of mind hive that are part of a higher collective consciousness?

00:05:59.720 Are we part of some sort of higher transcendent impersonal force?

00:06:03.740 Or are we literally biological bags of protoplasm just moving about being blind and pitiless indifference, even though Richard Dawkins might be having second thoughts about that quote as of right now?

00:06:15.960 But that's really a big part of it.

00:06:19.200 So I think when it comes down to how you view AI, a Christian should view AI through a very different—should and will view it from a very different perspective than someone like Sam Harris or somebody like Elon Musk. 0.71

00:06:34.160 So when you look at Elon Musk, he would argue—because we're talking about AI and we're also talking about transhumanism. 0.62

00:06:42.240 So, what I believe about AI is that I believe that at its core, AI on the very premise level would be inherently neutral. However, it always artificially emulates its user, specifically even one who is regenerate or unregenerate.

00:06:58.400 And so, going back to Romans 1, when it talks about how mankind suppresses the truth and unrighteousness, if the utilizers at the heads of Silicon Valley who have a worldview that's radically antithetical to the Christian worldview, they are going to adhere and adopt AI, they're going to mold it in their own image.

00:07:18.040 One way where you'd see this practically, where Apologia Studios, which we are under the umbrella of, if there is a video that is uploaded without even putting any sort of titles or descriptions or tags, the AI will go through and automatically decipher what's being discussed within the one video.

00:07:37.200 So if it's a message where Jeff, for example, will be talking about abortion and the murder of babies, they will pick that up and they'll automatically demonetize you.

00:07:49.300 And Jeff's had to work on a couple different ways to get around that.

00:07:53.340 But that would be a definitive example where you see AI would be arguably suppressing the truth and unrighteousness.

00:08:00.640 That doesn't mean that somehow the AI is sinning, but it's artificially emulating those who believe that it's okay to murder your babies. Therefore, I'm going to make AI in my own image to be an extension of my suppression of the truth in unrighteousness.

00:08:17.620 Now, also, it has to do with when you believe, like, what is the ultimate purpose of us?

00:08:24.620 Like, when you talk about being part of, are we dealing with a history that's truly linear, that's going from, like, Genesis all the way to Revelation, definitive beginning, a fall into sin, and ultimately a redemption through Christ, both individually and collectively as far as Christ, and then redeeming the world, having a post-millennial hope.

00:08:42.320 That's something that's linear.

00:08:44.560 However, if you're embracing an Eastern worldview, there's not truly a beginning, there's not truly an end, and so you're going to view that.

00:08:52.320 Or if you're an evolutionist, you're going to say that ultimately it's just an involvement of the species, a survival of the fittest.

00:08:59.580 So somebody like Elon Musk, his worldview, if he's holding on to evolutionary perspective, he would see us as being really just tangibly body and flesh and just us and not really having a soul or spirit.

00:09:16.320 Now, if you're going to create AI and create technology to those presuppositions, that's where you look at Neuralink, and then you bring into question, this is technology that's being created, that we're being conditioned into, that is based off of presuppositions of who we are ontologically, they're not biblical.

00:09:35.180 whole. And so, I think when you're looking at this, and again, talking about one versus two,

00:09:41.680 is that we're in a society right now where we're going from a belief and a distinction between two,

00:09:47.800 where you're worshiping the Creator, and in that perspective, you're using AI. If you're building

00:09:52.140 AI and utilizing that to the glory of God, we're building it through the lens of two. Like, this

00:09:56.840 t-shirt was actually, Andrew created this. Yeah, that's AI. Yeah, it's AI. I did make that. I

00:10:01.620 Yeah, it's one of our t-shirts available in the store,

00:10:03.540 and it's shopcoldish.com.

00:10:05.160 And so you would see it, of that aspect,

00:10:08.020 like used for good.

00:10:09.000 There's ways you can love your neighbor

00:10:11.000 and be environmentally responsible.

00:10:13.120 There's actually a really interesting documentary

00:10:14.600 that came out that was hosted by Robert Downey Jr.,

00:10:16.840 a.k.a. Tony Stark,

00:10:18.200 and he was talking about how they can use AI.

00:10:21.700 There's pizza companies who use AI

00:10:23.740 where they do an algorithm

00:10:26.000 based off of the purchasing decisions

00:10:28.180 in different counties and districts,

00:10:30.080 whether or not they like pepperoni whether like whether or not they like sausage whether or not

00:10:35.000 they like um you know just a vegetarian pizza they want just bell peppers or whatever on it

00:10:40.580 and then they'll distribute those products accordingly to those stores so that way they

00:10:45.460 help they lay weights a lot less resources uh and they're being that's a way to be environmentally

00:10:51.200 responsible just to be a better stewards of what god's given you that that could save you

00:10:55.320 your restaurant a lot of money if you're a christian business person you want to say you

00:10:58.580 want to pay your employees more. And having worked briefly a couple of times in the food industry,

00:11:03.340 you realize the small little micro decisions equal to a lot, a lot of money. So you could

00:11:07.800 utilize that as a way to love your neighbor, pay your employees more, which would help towards 1.00

00:11:12.080 helping people in their households, provide for their families so the woman can stay home. So you 1.00

00:11:16.140 have, that would be viewing AI through a lens of two-ism, doing it to the glory of God. But if

00:11:23.200 you're viewing it through one-ism, and that's the majority of technology that's happening right now,

00:11:28.020 that's where it can become dangerous because then you see not only is this idea of a rejection of

00:11:33.660 personhood that we have as a as a preconditions of intelligibility through a christian worldview

00:11:38.500 um you're you're dealing it through a lens of assumptions of paganism but ultimately

00:11:43.740 the ascension the attempt to try and be white god to not try thinking you're doing something new

00:11:50.980 through modernity but in reality you're trying to really emulate what happened at the tower of

00:11:56.020 through technology and technocracy.

00:11:58.020 Yeah, that's good. I think thinking about it in the two forms

00:12:00.920 of narrow AI and open AI is very helpful,

00:12:03.420 because the goal for many people like Elon Musk

00:12:07.460 would be to avoid being overthrown by AI

00:12:11.960 as being the main producers of new things,

00:12:15.180 making humans essentially become irrelevant.

00:12:17.480 And that point would be called singularity.

00:12:19.580 So in order to avoid that, the goal would be

00:12:23.120 be to blend humanity with AI, right? I think the Bible is very clear that God uses the foolishness

00:12:32.220 of the gospel to shame the wisdom of the wise. So when I'm thinking about open AI, I'm thinking

00:12:36.860 about all of mankind's transcendental wisdom, right? Let's say it's loaded on some cloud

00:12:42.900 neural network, everything, everything on Google that you can think of. The goal would be to somehow

00:12:50.440 create a relationship between humanity and this cloud network in which you are constantly connected

00:12:57.300 with it and there's no bandwidth issues, right? So I already have a symbiotic relationship with

00:13:04.180 AI through my phone, this narrow AI with Google, but how long does it take me to get the information?

00:13:08.820 Well, how fast I touch it, right? Well, how fast the internet is. Imagine connecting your brain

00:13:15.860 to a cloud network in which you get all of that information like that and you're connected to

00:13:21.840 everybody. So I agree with Joel in the main sense. I think it's impossible because I think it's a

00:13:27.600 fundamentally a materialistic worldview that assumes that we're nothing but neurons firing

00:13:32.720 and impulses in the brain once you can control it. I don't believe that because I'm Christian.

00:13:36.480 I don't think it's something that can essentially happen, but that's the goal for the people with

00:13:40.760 that worldview right so avoid singularity by uh joining with this board collective consciousness

00:13:46.940 for example but then there's there's scary things with that like if you listen to joe rogan and elon

00:13:52.800 musk talking joe rogan asked him a great question he's like well how do we censor this type of free

00:13:57.980 speech on this cloud neural network really he says there's going to be some types of thoughts

00:14:02.020 that are not good that we want people to avoid uh and he says well what are you thinking he goes

00:14:08.780 I'm thinking like more like fundamentalism. And when we think of the words fundamentalism in a

00:14:12.760 secular society, we're thinking about Christian thought. And then what we think about even with

00:14:17.660 the Borg and Star Trek is how does the Borg essentially get disrupted and ended by self

00:14:23.580 government, right? That they're no longer connected to this neural network. But the goal really with

00:14:29.020 the wisdom of men is to create an omnipresent, omniscient, an omnipotent wisdom that we can

00:14:37.020 all connect to in order to be essentially gods of ourselves. It's transhumanism. That's the goal

00:14:42.540 of it, right? And eventually never die. It's just man's gospel. And it's just, there's nothing new

00:14:49.460 under the sun, right? It's the same lie that was given to man in the garden. Number one, I don't

00:14:53.720 think it's possible because I don't believe we're just material byproducts of neurons firing,

00:14:58.700 just matter in motion. I believe I have a soul. And I think that's something you can't emulate

00:15:02.580 or put into a computer system.

00:15:05.480 But it is a conversation that needs to take place

00:15:07.820 because philosophically,

00:15:08.900 this is like one of the biggest realms of thought

00:15:11.460 that's going within our nation right now.

00:15:13.340 How can we symbiotically connect to this system

00:15:17.020 to become gods?

00:15:18.420 And who can have access to this technology?

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00:17:05.780 Right. And yeah, to become God's and to escape death, the, you know, God's judgment for our sin and live forever, achieve immortality.

00:17:17.280 I do think we've talked about this offline a little bit, but I don't think it's achievable. I really don't.

00:17:24.500 I don't think God will allow it. And I think for the precise reasons that you said, Andrew,

00:17:30.020 because it doesn't take into account what man really is. They don't understand. It's not just

00:17:36.180 their theology is lacking. They don't have a proper, because their theology is lacking,

00:17:40.520 they don't have a proper anthropology. They don't know what man is. They think the world is just

00:17:44.340 stuff. And they think that you're just a meat bag, and that's neurons and all these things.

00:17:50.380 And so they don't take into account the fullness of man, spirit, and body.

00:17:56.120 So I don't think they can do it, but I do think they can make it look like they did it.

00:18:00.680 And so I think it's highly probable that as more and more people, as we become more and

00:18:08.460 more social media driven, where our lives are on the internet, there's so much that

00:18:15.460 you can find out about a person that you've never met without ever having a conversation

00:18:20.160 in real life with them simply by just scouring you know the the interweb you know and you can

00:18:27.000 find a lot you can find about you know the names of their parents and their children and this and

00:18:32.080 that the other their address you know that all these things are at least most of these things

00:18:37.480 much of these things are public information you know and then if the person's you know active on

00:18:42.760 social media then you can get a lot of their opinions and their tastes and their preferences

00:18:46.520 and memories, experiences.

00:18:49.940 And so I think that as time goes on

00:18:53.780 and people become even more public and less private

00:18:56.580 and more and more of their experiences

00:18:59.080 and characteristics and even memories

00:19:03.040 are being uploaded, uploaded, and uploaded

00:19:06.180 for all to see,

00:19:07.860 then I think there will be an opportunity

00:19:11.160 for the Elon Musk of the world

00:19:14.300 to say um you know for the the low low fee of you know initial fee for the uploading process

00:19:22.720 for this procedure where they take you know the body like you know the person or like right before

00:19:27.780 death before they die they come in with this machine you know and they hook it up and blah

00:19:31.880 blah blah and then there's of course going to be a hosting fee you know for all that bandwidth you

00:19:36.740 know so to keep you know uh sally you know your grandma sally you know uh comfortable and uh and

00:19:43.740 you know her vitality her virtual vitality up you know on the cloud uh every month you know

00:19:50.000 it's like paying rent you know you're gonna pay three thousand dollars a month you know

00:19:53.720 so that she gets to live forever you don't want her to die you know and it's gonna be the same

00:19:57.680 concept here's a funny thing it'll be the secular humanist um equivalent to the roman catholic 0.73

00:20:03.220 church with purgatory you know um so they you know if you pay enough money tetzel you know

00:20:09.520 every time a coin in the coffer clings the soul from purgatory springs so you can get them out 0.91

00:20:14.260 you know whereas with transhumanism it'll be so you can keep them in you know you have a monthly 0.96

00:20:19.680 you know fee and and that'll be worse uh because you know with tetzel it was you know pay this 0.98

00:20:25.480 and they're out but this will be you have to keep paying to keep them in you know and so anyways

00:20:30.840 now all that being said here's my here's my point i don't think that it'll be real i think they'll

00:20:35.460 be able to collect enough data to where you'll be able to talk to grandma sally you know allegedly

00:20:42.600 and grandma sally what are you doing today oh well you know in the virtual cloud i'm doing this

00:20:47.960 and and grandma sally will will say the things they'll be able to mimic her voice they'll be

00:20:53.680 able to mimic a hologram of her physical image they'll be able to mimic you know um and and she

00:20:59.240 she'll be able to say she'll say the types that it'll seem like grandma sally because they'll

00:21:04.340 have so much intel that we've that we've shared publicly through social media and all these kind

00:21:09.500 of things that grandma sally remember you know in 1999 when we did this and of course i remember

00:21:15.100 that and then and they'll be able to just spit right back yeah and then we did this and we did

00:21:19.140 that and it's accurate because that was shared at one point online and it has records of it so

00:21:24.240 here's the deal grandma sally if she wasn't a christian where is she actually she's in she's

00:21:29.400 in hell, but, but you think grandma Sally. And so even that, what are the implications with

00:21:35.840 evangelism and the urgency, you know, like, oh, we don't need to share the gospel anymore. Like

00:21:40.720 anyways, I'm rambling, but that's my side. You're tripping me out. You want to know why? It's

00:21:44.880 possible. Yeah. You you're tripping me out. You want to know why? Yeah. Because it reminds me of

00:21:48.200 a form of crystal ball gazing. Right. And that used to take different forms throughout the

00:21:52.140 centuries as staring in a mirror or the ancient Egyptians would stare at water until they see

00:21:56.300 something. And what would spirits do, right? Especially demons, they would mimic and they

00:22:01.120 would be counterfeits in order to give information. Maybe they would appear as your dead loved ones.

00:22:05.700 Right. I've heard stories of LDS. Familiar spirits. Right. I'd see your stories of LDS individuals 0.98

00:22:09.820 doing baptisms for the dead. And they're like, I saw my dead relative wave at me when I was

00:22:14.540 baptized for them. And then they disappeared. Right. You know what I mean? Those things happen

00:22:17.480 inside the temple. They say it does at least. What's interesting about what you're explaining,

00:22:22.460 it's almost like a man-made familiar spirit, right?

00:22:25.100 We're uploading it.

00:22:25.960 We're creating it.

00:22:26.540 These spirits, they're around us.

00:22:27.600 They watch.

00:22:28.060 They know everything about us.

00:22:29.220 And then you can get this form of entity contact

00:22:31.760 through crystal ball gazing, staring in a mirror,

00:22:33.800 staring in a river, right?

00:22:34.820 But now we're doing it for ourselves.

00:22:36.940 We're making counterfeit, counterfeit familiar spirits.

00:22:39.520 You're right.

00:22:39.980 It's a man-made familiar spirit,

00:22:41.480 which to be honest, if, I mean, that's like,

00:22:44.320 if you're going to tee it up that nicely for,

00:22:46.400 you know, the dark realm,

00:22:48.620 then it'll probably be both.

00:22:50.460 It'll be a man-made familiar spirit.

00:22:52.060 and then the familiar spirits, the ones that are real,

00:22:54.600 will say, that's too tempting.

00:22:56.560 I think we'll dabble a little bit too.

00:22:58.600 And then you'll have, you know,

00:22:59.480 so you have the man-made AI kind of thing going on

00:23:02.180 that's mimicking a familiar spirit.

00:23:04.680 And then are familiar spirits capable of attaching themselves

00:23:09.940 in that artificial realm and start kind of speaking

00:23:14.540 and guiding that, you know,

00:23:16.540 because if nobody's doing it, right?

00:23:17.920 Oh, well, that's the whole idea of AIs.

00:23:19.820 It's just, it's a hands-off kind of thing.

00:23:21.320 So, but man's hands, once we build it, and then our hands are off, can the demon's hands get on?

00:23:28.440 No, yeah.

00:23:28.920 And can they start?

00:23:29.840 I think so, man.

00:23:30.860 There's actually, and I don't recommend this for a friend, but there's AI threads going around where there's specific art with prompts that are given that create this very familiar looking demonic woman.

00:23:42.580 It's the same thing.

00:23:43.320 It has a name, and it actually has innovated multiple different forms of AI in art generation.

00:23:48.960 But it reminds me of what we talked about with Colin Samuul a long time ago when we were talking about aliens. Back when the nuclear threat was really wide going around during the Cold War, there's accounts of people who harness these codes to, you know, if they push a button, it's going to be a nuclear holocaust.

00:24:09.400 There's accounts of these systems being infiltrated by forces that were trying to launch codes when no one was.

00:24:18.800 And a lot of people think that it could have been demonic entities invading these systems in order to try to create a nuclear holocaust.

00:24:25.140 So the same thing would be with these familiar spirits using these types of modes of human wisdom in order to trick us and deceive us.

00:24:34.060 I see that being 110% a possibility.

00:24:37.360 Right.

00:24:37.980 Yeah, and what's very interesting, too,

00:24:39.440 in this conversation is that

00:24:40.960 it's just how much our thoughts on AI

00:24:44.400 have been influenced by

00:24:45.640 through the realm of Hollywood.

00:24:46.980 Yes.

00:24:47.200 So even a lot of times,

00:24:48.060 you'll do posts about something weird

00:24:49.540 going on with AI,

00:24:50.560 and people will say,

00:24:51.720 oh, Skynet is here.

00:24:53.180 What is that a reference to?

00:24:54.280 Obviously, the Terminator franchise.

00:24:56.520 Terminator 1 and 2 are the only ones that count.

00:24:58.780 That's the only ones I accept as canon.

00:25:00.840 Amen, dude.

00:25:01.560 But honestly,

00:25:03.320 what is tapped into is this fear.

00:25:05.700 What they represent in Terminator 1, and specifically Terminator 2,

00:25:10.580 there's this day, Judgment Day, which ultimately is articulated,

00:25:14.980 where everyone understands this, is a concept called singularity,

00:25:18.020 which eventually, there is going to be a moment

00:25:20.980 where the capacity of AI is going to take over.

00:25:24.420 We're not going to be able to turn it off.

00:25:26.880 And how you view singularity ultimately comes through

00:25:30.120 your presuppositions about who we are ontologically as people,

00:25:34.360 people, but also what is the purpose of ultimately existence and the meaning of the world. If we have

00:25:40.080 blind, pitiless, indifference where it's an evolutionary worldview, then you're looking at

00:25:44.100 survival of the fittest. Then if singularity means that this could be the ending of homeo sapiens

00:25:48.860 because we're just the next person on the chopping block. And so that's where Sam Harris has spoken

00:25:54.720 about his concerns about singularity. There's a reason why we talked about when we first launched

00:25:59.360 that Elon Musk is concerned that when we, if we don't shut off AI, we're opening up the demon that

00:26:03.900 we won't be able to turn it off.

00:26:06.220 And even, and again, it's presuppositions

00:26:08.580 that have to do with how we view the world

00:26:11.720 and even understanding the seen and the unseen realm.

00:26:14.740 So, another movie that was articulated

00:26:17.220 a couple years ago,

00:26:18.800 it wasn't really that great of a movie,

00:26:20.680 but it was with Johnny Depp called Transcendence.

00:26:23.100 And in that, his consciousness was uploaded to hard,

00:26:26.940 was uploaded onto this computer, a neural network system.

00:26:30.520 And so, that's a question where you start to have to ask,

00:26:33.680 Who are we truly? Is consciousness part of this individual collective? You've talked about one

00:26:40.340 versus two. If we live in a world of one-ism, then consciousness, there's no true distinctions

00:26:48.060 as far as me as a human being. I am just part of this hive. I'm part of the hive mind hive.

00:26:56.440 And so, through that presupposition, yes, I could, my consciousness, we could create technologies

00:27:02.740 to where I could be immortal, that might be a catalyst to achieve transcendence, which is

00:27:08.540 everyone within one-ism are always trying to do. And we'll get into the reason, but why that

00:27:13.000 ultimately is a bankrupt worldview. There's no way out. But what ends up happening where if you

00:27:21.020 look through a distinctly Christian worldview, what's the primary thing, what's the primary

00:27:25.000 scripture I think is the biggest counterpoint to the idea of the transcendence through uploading

00:27:30.540 your consciousness through a hard drive and to achieve immortality is that what does the scripture

00:27:34.960 say? To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. You're a pastor. You've hosted

00:27:41.420 funerals. And so, that's something that I've seen. I've been at funerals of specifically

00:27:47.320 Christians. That is the hope that one day, like the hope of the resurrection is based off of that

00:27:53.400 historical resurrection of Jesus Christ. The holding on to a view where you could achieve

00:27:59.400 immortality through technology. That is the most antichrist, antithetical disposition against

00:28:06.720 what the gospel is. And while we should love technology and utilize it, we're doing it right

00:28:12.780 now. We could, I could do a post right now about any topic that's even this discussion that would

00:28:19.480 be put in front of thousands of people all over the world. The last five to six years, I, for the

00:28:25.240 most part, besides when I'm at the studio, I've operated a cultist from my phone. Praise God for

00:28:30.420 that. This is a phone made by pagans. This is papyrus that was made by the pagans back in ancient,

00:28:35.580 you know, back in ancient times, like in the first century that was utilized for, you know,

00:28:39.640 thousands of years. And we use technology for that. Like, we have our scriptures here because

00:28:44.920 the pagans invented papyrus. And the same way we can use that. But then you have presuppositions

00:28:50.520 that go completely antithetical to everything that we should know about that.

00:28:56.060 And then you also have those right now in high power.

00:28:59.940 You have people like at the World Economic Forum

00:29:02.920 who are talking about how they want to create the fourth industrial revolution

00:29:07.940 where we are a full merger between technology.

00:29:11.280 We're part flesh and ontological flesh and human,

00:29:13.760 but we're completely integrated with technology

00:29:17.640 and believing that we're part of this mind hive.

00:29:20.120 And so that's where it's extremely dangerous because then you start making distinctions between the perfect human race and ones who just aren't as good.

00:29:30.440 Haves and the have-nots.

00:29:31.140 And you start creating have and have-nots.

00:29:33.740 So when you're part of a mind hive, you really, you could look at a genocide as just like an iOS update.

00:29:39.300 You're just updating to hire a phone.

00:29:40.880 You know, the perfect race is the iPhone, you know, 15 plus, where we were not too long ago, like, oh, we can just get rid of the iPhone, you know, the iPhone 4s.

00:29:52.240 We don't need those.

00:29:53.540 Those are less persons, you know, and so you would all of a sudden. 1.00

00:29:57.520 I don't think they'd get rid of a race. 1.00

00:29:58.460 I think they'd get rid of a sex. 1.00

00:30:00.160 I think they'd get rid of men. 0.99

00:30:02.340 White men, for starters, were first in the chopping block. 0.99

00:30:04.860 But seriously, I think they would get rid of men. 1.00

00:30:06.500 Like, at this point, you know, we've probably got enough.

00:30:09.320 Yeah. 0.89

00:30:09.600 semen on file? Do you really need men to continue the human race? 1.00

00:30:17.080 Wow. That's interesting. I'm thinking of this crazy dystopian universe right now. But what's

00:30:23.340 interesting is being a Christian, it's like, I don't want the wisdom of the world. I want the

00:30:27.660 wisdom of God to flow in me through his word. There's this weird Gnostic heresy that still 1.00

00:30:33.360 permeates throughout our culture today, that there's this weird transcendent form of wisdom

00:30:38.800 that we must tap into in order to create the perfect human, you know, the spark of divine

00:30:45.620 within humanity, the, the, the one ism, right? The flesh is evil. There's wisdom that I must get.

00:30:50.820 So we're creating this cloud conscious network of all of human wisdom. Uh, and then if we just

00:30:57.700 tap into that, we'll have salvation, right? Uh, through maybe a material item used a neural link,

00:31:03.860 for example. But the point I'm trying to make is, is that won't save you. And it won't save you

00:31:09.380 from the judgment of God, right? It says it's appointed for all men to die once and then comes 0.91

00:31:12.860 the judgment. Salvation comes through Christ's sacrifice on the cross for us and the wisdom

00:31:18.740 that we inherit of God through the Holy Spirit, because nobody knows the mind of God. AI doesn't

00:31:24.140 know the mind of God, except for the Holy Spirit, who is God. And when he dwells in you through his

00:31:28.200 word, you can have a relationship with him. Like I will have immortality because of what Jesus did

00:31:33.540 in God with me. It's really just a counterfeit gospel. It's a counterfeit gospel. It's counterfeit

00:31:41.160 wisdom. It won't save anybody. Instead, it makes individuals think that in order to avoid this

00:31:46.940 judgment of singularity, which you were talking about, instead of placing their faith in Christ,

00:31:51.080 you're placing it in the wisdom of men and material objects. Yeah, that's good. Yeah.

00:31:57.400 It's kind of a part of the eternal life that we always forget. It's not just immortality and

00:32:02.940 living forever. But it's, you know, Jesus says, and this is eternal life, that they know me,

00:32:08.200 you know, they know the father, you know, and me who you have sent. And, and so part of eternal

00:32:15.680 life, a significant part of eternal life is relationship with God and knowing God. Whereas

00:32:20.900 it seems like, you know, this, this counterfeit gospel is the immortality piece there. So to

00:32:26.080 escape judgment, to not die. And then, you know, I feel like the transhumanist would say, and this

00:32:32.140 eternal life knowing self you know like you know instead of knowing me knowing god it's you know 0.98

00:32:37.820 deeper and deeper and deeper knowledge of self which again i don't think they'll be able to

00:32:42.100 achieve i think they'll be able to fake and pretend to get you to pay that monthly fee for

00:32:46.500 you know grandma sally um but here's the thing i don't think they'll uh achieve it and i have some

00:32:51.220 like and not just because i'm guessing on a whim i have some serious theological convictions for

00:32:55.580 why objectively i don't think they'll be able to uh achieve it but uh even if they were it would

00:33:01.720 it would become quickly devolve into hell it would just be it would be you know because eternal life

00:33:07.060 of loving knowing self apart from christ um and devolving further and further spiraling into

00:33:13.920 self um and then this hive mind of of other selves of humanity as a whole and and its depravity and

00:33:22.620 like we were saying from the very beginning even with you know narrow ai which is what we have now

00:33:27.700 And we've had for a very long time, you know, things like chat GPT are just a further evolved, but it's still firmly in the category of narrow AI.

00:33:35.860 And these are just tools, right?

00:33:37.460 A hammer, you can build a house, you can bash in a man's skull. 0.87

00:33:40.220 You know, it's just a tool.

00:33:42.460 And to be fair, it's a very, very, very powerful tool.

00:33:45.620 It's a much, you know, further developed and upgraded tool, but it's still just a tool.

00:33:50.240 um and so anyway but my point is just to say that i i don't think um if we somehow could

00:33:58.600 achieve transhumanism i think it would uh it would not be neutral that's that's my point

00:34:04.920 it's just a tool and it's always going to have the imprint of man on it um and because man is

00:34:12.120 inherently evil apart from salvation which comes through christ alone um you would be devolving

00:34:17.840 not knowing Christ and Him crucified, but knowing further and further self and other selves

00:34:23.960 in this virtual world that is not neutral, but very much reflective of man who is totally

00:34:34.580 depraved apart from Christ. My point is, it would be a virtual hell. All we would have done is we

00:34:40.740 wouldn't have achieved eternal life. We would have just made hell 2.0. There's God's hell,

00:34:45.580 and then there's Mansell.

00:34:47.020 They're both bad and you can go to either one.

00:34:50.040 And again, I don't think we'll achieve it, but.

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00:36:05.140 Yeah, it's really weird.

00:36:06.580 like when i think about ai and if there was a possibility let's say to to up to put this

00:36:12.980 consciousness inside of you let's just say there's a possibility uh again upload your consciousness

00:36:17.200 to the cloud or put to put all of it into you okay like a neural link kind of yeah yeah so

00:36:22.400 what i'm thinking about i know what terrified me when i was a child and that was demon possession

00:36:26.140 right i think i first saw the exorcist when i was 10 i don't recommend it for anybody you were 10

00:36:31.620 I was 10. It terrified me. But that scared me. Possession scared me. But when I'm thinking about

00:36:38.860 a symbiotic relationship with no bandwidth between this transcendental wisdom of all men,

00:36:43.720 I'm thinking about demonic possession in a weird sense. It's not a demon. It's a counterfeit. But

00:36:48.100 you're literally paying for someone to possess you and take away all of your self-government.

00:36:52.940 If you're connected to all of these people, it's essentially possession. And that terrifies me.

00:36:57.660 it's a weird form of a counterfeit Holy spirit, right?

00:37:02.260 Like I want the Holy spirit to dwell in me,

00:37:04.340 to have the mind of Christ, Philippians chapter two,

00:37:07.320 to consider others higher than myself.

00:37:09.220 Instead of the mind of collective man,

00:37:11.000 the mind of mankind.

00:37:12.760 So instead of being like Christ,

00:37:15.080 the Holy spirit possessing me and dwelling within me,

00:37:18.560 I have mankind dwelling within me,

00:37:20.820 collective mankind and the mind of man

00:37:22.760 instead of the mind of Christ.

00:37:23.720 Yeah.

00:37:24.000 Yeah. 0.89

00:37:24.160 It's straight up putting Babel inside of you. 0.97

00:37:25.880 Yeah. 0.99

00:37:26.320 Yeah.

00:37:26.620 Weird.

00:37:27.040 Yeah.

00:37:27.340 Another example would be the merging of technology and it really is indicative on what worldview that you have because a lot of even what's being articulated, it has been readily available for thousands of years, way before the technology was ever invented.

00:37:42.480 So, when you look at, like, what is occultism primarily?

00:37:46.120 What's really interesting is that, you know, the main thing, like, throughout the Old Testament, there's not really that much mention of demons.

00:37:54.340 There's only a couple of examples that are given.

00:37:57.420 Like you have the instance with Samuel and the woman of Endor.

00:38:01.420 But as a whole, the dangers of the occult is not because it's going to open up the demons.

00:38:07.520 It's because it's an abomination to God.

00:38:10.020 So really what's emphasized throughout the Old Testament when it comes to that is to fear Yahweh.

00:38:15.060 That's what's really emphasized.

00:38:16.660 There's not too much focus on demons.

00:38:18.120 And all of a sudden, you have in the New Testament that they're everywhere.

00:38:22.360 Like you look in the Gospel of Mark and it's like Omaha Beach with just the invisible principalities and powers going on.

00:38:29.040 So what you end up seeing, though, is that when it comes to AI, technology is inherently neutral.

00:38:36.700 But what you're seeing is that it can be a catalyst for good and a catalyst for evil.

00:38:41.500 Like one way that we'll get into is like here's a pinnacle example of where people think it's modernity and it's new to evolved technology, but there's nothing new under the sun is Dr. Stephen Greer.

00:38:51.100 We'll talk more about that in our episode on the Greys, but he's someone who's a, I believe he's a physicist. He knows quite a bit about the whole UFO conversation, but what he ends up advocating for is that the government has, you know, because of their, you know, they're trying to hide UFOs and aliens as a way to cover up for, you know, they're trying to not make it accessible to us.

00:39:15.060 So therefore, we need to start having CE5 disclosures, which are close encounters of the fifth kind. And that's by getting into seances and occultic practices to get in contact with entities. Therefore, you can over surpass the middleman, which is the government trying to hide everything away.

00:39:32.760 But where I'm going with this in connection technology and AI, he utilizes this by telling people to download this app that's available through his website in the Apple Store where you can conduct a CE5 disclosure through an app on your phone.

00:39:46.480 Now, while an app is an app, it has probably the same technology, the same encoding that will be utilized for like a Bible app, or if you have an app, or there's other Christian companies that have a good app that can be used for the glory of God.

00:39:58.660 The same coding might be used for his website that might be used for the same principles will be for like ApologyStudios.com or for our website.

00:40:07.300 But that technology is being used as a catalyst where there's nothing new under the sun.

00:40:13.260 that technology is being utilized to do something that god and his law warns about and says don't

00:40:18.500 do that don't cross over don't try and transcend through these occultic practices through these

00:40:26.060 sorcerers and magicians so at once was the divining rods you think about the comparison with moses

00:40:31.400 when he is putting the gods on trial uh when he's putting the plagues in egypt's one of the first

00:40:36.560 thing he does when he goes before pharaoh both of them cast down their rods right both of the rods

00:40:42.160 turn into snakes. Aaron did it through the power of God. Like feral sorcerers, they did the same

00:40:50.840 thing. However, it is done through their practice of the dark arts, being involved with that.

00:40:56.480 So then the question is, in the same way how those two rods are together, like they both got used,

00:41:01.000 but had different powers tapped into it, you have technology that can, if you're not careful,

00:41:06.300 it'll be tapped into really the nothing new into the sun, which is just ancient neo-paganism.

00:41:12.800 You have a predisposition of oneness, and it's not just technology. Now we're trying to bend

00:41:17.820 the universe to our will. That's the technology going on behind CERN, you know, and that's a

00:41:22.880 whole rabbit hole in it. But even like the presuppositions is that I'm God, I have control

00:41:29.620 over the universe, I am one with the universe, and I can bend the universe to my will. And I can,

00:41:34.820 In the same way how you could build a temple goddess and to be able to tap into unknown powers and information, I want to utilize, instead of using bricks and stone, I want to use technology to try and get in contact with entities that bend the universe to my will so I can practice alchemy through technology.

00:41:53.980 I mean, yeah, this has been going on for ages, man. Like there's books, which we'll talk about later as well. When we talk about Mormonism, like the Magus that gives sacred geometry and rituals and rites, if they're done in certain ways, or if you pray a certain way on a certain day, you're able to contact God essentially to get divine revelation.

00:42:15.300 uh there is nothing new under the sun as long as you do x y or z you're able to gain this type of

00:42:22.100 knowledge which will eventually lead to some type of awakening in your soul or in your mind it just

00:42:27.760 went from sacred daggers and circles on the ground to material objects placed inside the brain right

00:42:33.360 you know but i mean there's a benefit though to neural link because it's basically created in its

00:42:38.200 most basic form to help people medically right like it has been implanted there's a youtube video

00:42:43.080 of a man talking about it.

00:42:44.400 Mind you, he's still in a wheelchair

00:42:45.480 when he's talking.

00:42:46.600 But the benefits of Neuralink

00:42:48.340 neurologically could eventually lead

00:42:50.220 to someone who's paralyzed

00:42:51.180 actually be able to walk one day

00:42:53.220 because that does actually have nerve,

00:42:56.160 you know, that does work biologically

00:42:57.820 in that sense.

00:42:58.740 But that's separating it from

00:43:00.400 connecting to your soul to consciousness.

00:43:02.820 You know what I mean?

00:43:03.600 So that's a good thing.

00:43:05.680 That's something I should praise God about. 1.00

00:43:07.500 Eventually, maybe a blind person

00:43:09.140 getting Neuralink will be able to see.

00:43:11.100 I don't know.

00:43:11.740 That could work one day.

00:43:13.080 that's a good thing. Just like you talked about with the technology with your iPhone.

00:43:17.100 Now I can stream and give the gospel to thousands of people online, just at a push of a button.

00:43:23.100 That's a good thing. But we have to be very wary though, of the ability for people to take

00:43:29.300 something that can be used for good and use it for evil. But I mean, God even used the Egyptian

00:43:36.540 culture to be plundered by the Jews. They gave them their gold and said, leave after the death 0.99

00:43:41.520 of the firstborn. But what was the problem, right? The Jews eventually took that gold and

00:43:45.880 they instructed Aaron to build a golden calf and they worshiped it. So the warning that we have 0.95

00:43:50.660 in scripture is if we are to plunder these types of things as Christians in the future, 0.53

00:43:55.420 if God gives us this technology, we don't want to do what the pagans do and worship it instead

00:44:00.800 of use it to the glory of God. Amen. So practically speaking, what are, for now,

00:44:06.780 If there's, you know, for the listener who's saying, well, I, you know, I want to use narrow 0.86

00:44:13.900 AI as a tool because I think that if Christians just collectively wholesale reject it out

00:44:21.540 of some superstitious, because I wouldn't say that it's theologically rooted, it would

00:44:26.360 be a superstitious non-Christian win of like, we're not going to do that for the same reason 0.70

00:44:33.620 that, you know, our grandparents' generation

00:44:36.320 didn't use playing cards, right?

00:44:39.040 Not just that they didn't gamble, right?

00:44:40.600 There could be a reason, you know,

00:44:41.960 biblical argument made about that.

00:44:44.140 But like, you know, my grandparents wanted,

00:44:47.560 they were Baptist, classic Baptist move here. 0.71

00:44:50.440 But they, you know, they would do Uno or Domino's, right? 0.92

00:44:56.380 But not playing cards, right?

00:44:59.200 Because playing cards, it's like,

00:45:00.880 well, you gamble with those.

00:45:02.000 like no one's ever, you know, bet on dominoes.

00:45:05.980 But consistency wasn't the point. 0.83

00:45:09.140 It was arbitrary, good old-fashioned Baptist superstition. 0.88

00:45:15.240 Not based in scripture, not with a theological principle, 0.98

00:45:19.700 but a very, you know, just a Christianese veneer,

00:45:23.580 but really superstition.

00:45:26.040 So all that being said, 0.96

00:45:27.180 And if Christians take that approach to narrow AI, I think it'll be just one more chapter 0.94

00:45:36.400 and a significant chapter in the saga of Christians abdicating and handing over to the pagans 0.99

00:45:45.060 another massive W, another big win, you know what I mean? 0.81

00:45:48.540 And we fall completely behind because of ultimately in the end, not fidelity to Christ and wanting

00:45:55.560 to remain pure, but actually just bad doctrine. Yeah. No, you guys were, because you were

00:46:00.740 theologically anemic and dumb, ignorant, because you're ignorant, theologically ignorant. You 1.00

00:46:08.120 thought that this was the righteous thing to do. I'm not going to use this or whatever. And once

00:46:13.320 again, you gave just another massive portion of real estate to the pagans. Yeah. What Paul says

00:46:21.460 whether you eat or drink, whatever you do, do all things to the glory of God. There's that weird

00:46:27.040 fear of doing something that could be innately evil to create a biblical conviction that's not

00:46:33.680 based on the truth in terms of trying to glorify the fear of man. And you're not going to glorify

00:46:39.580 God in that in terms of technology, I'd say. Like we can do AI and use narrow AI to the glory of

00:46:46.780 God. It's real. I made a shirt right there that could be used to help fund cultish, a ministry

00:46:52.920 in which the gospel goes out to different types of demographics in the world. And that's all to

00:46:58.400 the glory of God. We must have that ability to see that and have our biblical convictions grounded

00:47:05.240 in the truth. Right. So my question is practically like, what would be the product or what would be

00:47:12.740 the, the type of AI. So narrow AI, it's a tool. It can be utilized. Christians should not be

00:47:18.500 superstitious and just completely forsake it and fall behind. Okay. And I, I took too long earlier 0.95

00:47:24.500 to say that, but that's basically what I was saying. But here's, here's the question. Um,

00:47:28.420 when, when should the Christian, uh, when should there, what, what legitimately would be a red

00:47:34.240 flag, like in practical terms, what would be the product that comes out on the market where you

00:47:39.120 guys would say, oh, that one is too far. Like, it's not just a tool that's, you know, neutrality

00:47:46.360 is a myth. It's a tool and it can be used, you know, positively or negatively for the glory of

00:47:50.340 God or, you know, or against God. No, no, that one, it's, no, no, that's not just a hammer,

00:47:56.280 you know, that can be used well or be used poorly. No, that one, to embrace that at all

00:48:02.140 would be, you know what I mean? Because there are certain things, like in the scripture,

00:48:06.320 where it's like, okay, hammer can be good, hammer can be bad.

00:48:09.020 And then there's other things like, 0.69

00:48:10.220 and you shall not suffer a witch to live. 0.94

00:48:12.580 Right, right. 0.95

00:48:13.300 I get it.

00:48:14.320 Necromancy is not like, now necromancy, you know,

00:48:16.700 can be wielded in very positive ways.

00:48:18.860 Right.

00:48:19.280 No, no necromancy.

00:48:21.860 I'd like to hear your thought, Jerry, but real quick,

00:48:24.040 what I think it would be, it would be like the forbidden fruit.

00:48:26.600 Do not eat of that, right?

00:48:28.780 The fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

00:48:31.200 And for the unhinged listener,

00:48:32.840 when Andrew says the forbidden fruit,

00:48:34.760 He is not saying, I believe it's any Apple product.

00:48:39.020 Right, right, right, right.

00:48:40.800 Because I've got some guys who might be, I hear you.

00:48:43.580 I see that wink, brother.

00:48:44.700 I hear you loud and clear.

00:48:46.100 You're going to mash that iPhone?

00:48:47.340 Yeah, so that fruit.

00:48:48.080 That's not what you're saying.

00:48:48.740 No, no, no.

00:48:49.360 That fruit would be if there's an item that tells me that I can gain all of the wisdom of the world and become just like God.

00:48:57.600 Right.

00:48:58.340 Put it in your body.

00:48:59.740 Become possessed.

00:49:01.500 No.

00:49:02.400 Like, that's where I would hardcore draw the line.

00:49:04.520 No, I want to be indwelt by the Holy Spirit.

00:49:06.340 I don't need the wisdom of the world.

00:49:08.120 God chooses the foolish things, the shame, the wise.

00:49:10.600 And I am going to be indwelt by the Holy Spirit.

00:49:12.680 And I'll vehemently reject anything that connects me,

00:49:15.980 if it were even to be possible,

00:49:17.500 to a collective consciousness of man's sinful nature.

00:49:20.220 Amen.

00:49:20.580 Now, what about the thing that goes in your body

00:49:22.280 that is strictly, like we talked about earlier,

00:49:24.840 to help the blind guy see or fix your spine

00:49:27.520 or the paraplegic to walk,

00:49:29.800 but we don't know,

00:49:31.680 could have the possibility later on to be hacked yeah and you see what i'm saying right yeah that's

00:49:37.640 scary that's hard like what do you say like pastorally what do you say to someone in your 0.92

00:49:42.800 congregation who's in a wheelchair and let's say it's seven years from now and they they elon's

00:49:47.640 he's finally done it allegedly he's got this thing and yeah you know it'll cost some money but

00:49:52.200 they'll be able to walk without a cane without crutches without you know they'll be able to walk

00:49:56.220 and put that retire the chair but that factory down the road we just drove past maybe they're

00:50:00.240 working on that right now yeah yeah i know yeah but there's the the the chance and we don't know

00:50:05.560 but there is the chance that it's not wrong it's not morally wrong now but that same technological

00:50:12.680 framework is now in your body and could be hacked it's kind of like some of the arguments with the

00:50:19.240 mrna vaccine it's like right right this thing is now in you and then we can activate it remember

00:50:24.740 when people were worried about the 5g um you know they were going to send this message and

00:50:29.940 then everybody who had gotten the vaccine it would that message was going to use a certain

00:50:33.400 frequency that would then activate this portion of the vaccine certain chemical that would boom

00:50:38.380 you know and like um what about that you know what about like okay it's it it is still technically

00:50:44.640 narrow ai and it's for a medical purpose and that's all it's for as of now but the technological

00:50:52.660 like the foundation has now been laid and not just laid in a product outside but laid in your flesh

00:50:58.900 in your body, attached to you, that could later on if a switch is flipped. And that's tough.

00:51:05.700 Right. I think the way that I'm navigating this is just through the realm of being a new husband

00:51:10.240 and a new father is really, I'm thinking through the lens of what's the jurisdiction when it comes

00:51:15.780 to the God-given spheres of government? You have self-government, family government, church

00:51:20.500 government. And while this phone right here is a great piece, like I've got a picture of my little

00:51:26.700 man right here, and that's the example that I have the responsibility to be his father, to be

00:51:30.760 the best person that I can, that God's called me to be. But there's a lot of technology on this

00:51:36.840 phone. There's app developers right now that have an agenda that want to get their hands on my

00:51:44.220 children, on our children. Specifically, that's a violation of that jurisdiction. And now, right now,

00:51:49.760 you know, we've even talked with my wife about like, okay, well, how do we, what are we even

00:51:54.280 going to allow screen time like what are we going to allow him to watch it and at some points

00:51:58.040 inevitable how do we actually introduce him to this stuff and my question is that right now it's

00:52:03.020 2024 my son will be 10 in the year 2034 like well is it will even will phones even be a thing

00:52:10.860 right so if we're going to look at this sort of technology they're already physically trying to

00:52:16.140 get they already have their hands on their children trying to brainwash them into thinking that

00:52:20.300 well, you should just take these different puberty blockers 0.99

00:52:24.260 and we should cut off your private parts 0.99

00:52:25.840 for people who are underage. 0.99

00:52:27.340 They're already that aggressive.

00:52:29.180 What's going to happen when we have the technology 1.00

00:52:31.540 to implement them to try and create even more gender?

00:52:35.160 I'm just throwing out conjecture, 0.95

00:52:38.320 but if they're going to try and implement technology

00:52:41.420 to even do Neuralink for children

00:52:43.440 so they can do this, that, and the other,

00:52:46.400 are they going to work behind my back?

00:52:48.840 They've already demonstrated to go behind children's backs.

00:52:51.560 You've seen this with the parents who are going and complaining,

00:52:57.040 and they're super brave for standing up to the school board

00:52:59.220 because they never should have handed them over in the first place,

00:53:03.280 and they're doing the gender confusion behind their back. 0.95

00:53:06.560 Who's to say they're not going to do the same thing 0.99

00:53:08.120 when there's that technology?

00:53:09.480 How dare you teach my children pictures of pornography 0.75

00:53:13.940 in an elementary school?

00:53:15.580 Would you like to teach your children yourself?

00:53:17.980 No, I wear a pantsuit.

00:53:19.820 I'm a boss babe, and I will not quit my career.

00:53:22.660 Yeah.

00:53:23.720 Oh, and you're a conservative?

00:53:25.180 Mm-hmm.

00:53:25.620 That's cute.

00:53:26.580 Right.

00:53:27.020 Now, but if you're going to utilize that new technology

00:53:30.820 to where you're going to utilize that to go behind my back

00:53:34.220 to try and influence my son, you know,

00:53:37.340 to be, you know, just to be, you know,

00:53:39.440 to explore his gender identity

00:53:41.180 and that sort of stuff behind my back, 0.96

00:53:42.660 that's a direct violation of my God-given jurisdiction

00:53:45.760 as a father, as a head of my household.

00:53:48.740 So then, in that case,

00:53:50.600 that's where you have to practice

00:53:51.880 with wisdom and discernment.

00:53:53.320 How do you not be paranoid,

00:53:54.960 but also know that this sort of technology

00:53:57.720 is going to be an unequivocal violation

00:53:59.700 of the jurisdiction?

00:54:01.440 That could happen also, too,

00:54:02.560 in the sphere of church government.

00:54:04.080 There's already the question right now

00:54:05.600 about whether or not pastors should use AI

00:54:07.460 to help with their sermon transcripts.

00:54:09.420 Well, what are the presuppositions behind AI?

00:54:11.520 They've already shown that,

00:54:12.540 I think it was with the chat GPT,

00:54:14.180 where there's a distinction

00:54:15.080 in trying what they'll say about Jesus

00:54:17.160 versus what they will say about Muhammad. 0.61

00:54:19.100 Oh, yeah. 0.68

00:54:19.400 They will not, there's already blasphemy laws

00:54:21.140 already ingrained within AI.

00:54:22.720 Into the algorithm.

00:54:23.800 Right, so then the question is,

00:54:26.700 how much should you allow AI to be integrated with this?

00:54:29.320 So if we end up under, you know,

00:54:30.900 a sort of totalitarian technocracy state,

00:54:34.580 like, are there going to be thought crimes behind,

00:54:37.620 you know, if you even think to entertain

00:54:39.460 the exegesis behind Romans 1

00:54:41.060 when it comes to the role of transgenderism

00:54:42.940 and homosexuality?

00:54:43.860 And again, there's nothing inherently evil, inherently about AI, or AI is inherently neutral. But if the creators behind Silicon Valley, who ultimately have a worldview of one-ism, their antithetically, their worldviews and their predispositions are opposed to the Christian worldview, their presuppositions are going to be read into the text.

00:55:06.640 So, if you, and ultimately, now you're blurring distinctions.

00:55:10.320 Into the code.

00:55:10.740 Right.

00:55:11.380 And now, this is, you think about this, this is another level to it.

00:55:15.160 Now you're blurring distinctions between the material and the immaterial,

00:55:18.880 because what's the role of, what's one of the primary roles of the Holy Spirit?

00:55:24.420 Now, we all, we ask Christians, we have the predisposition that all Scripture is inspired by God.

00:55:29.780 But ultimately, one of the roles of the Holy Spirit is to illuminate the text of Scripture.

00:55:35.960 But if you have an artificially emulated version with predispositions antithetical to the Christian worldview,

00:55:41.920 you're now relying on this arbitrary, vague technocracy to eisegete the text of Scripture versus the Holy Spirit.

00:55:49.760 Right, it's another replacement of the Holy Spirit.

00:55:51.700 Like Andrew, it's just another example of replacing the Holy Spirit.

00:55:56.080 And it also eradicates obedience to the first and greatest commandment,

00:56:02.020 to love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, but also all your mind.

00:56:05.960 that i no longer have to actively you know love god with my mind but that one you know won't be

00:56:12.120 a big deal to most evangelicals who haven't been loving god with their minds for at least

00:56:16.600 60 70 years um we you know we we stopped doing obeying that commandment a very long time ago

00:56:22.680 right but doctrine divides and you know that's no creed but christ and you know like we've been

00:56:28.760 anti-intellectual right uh you know forsaking loving the lord with our minds as evangelicals

00:56:34.600 for a very long time.

00:56:36.340 You're right.

00:56:36.800 And viewing this,

00:56:38.040 and viewing artificial intelligence

00:56:39.540 through the lens of God's sovereignty

00:56:42.820 and him working all things out

00:56:44.280 according to the pleasure of his will,

00:56:45.880 and you truly do believe that,

00:56:47.660 then you can understand technology

00:56:49.400 and its purposes,

00:56:50.280 what AI can and can't do.

00:56:52.260 So going back to canon,

00:56:54.440 Terminator 1, Terminator 2,

00:56:55.660 the idea of a machine going on,

00:56:58.880 taking embryonic cybernetic organism

00:57:01.340 because of the human tissue,

00:57:02.680 like that happening,

00:57:03.580 could not happen according in a world that is governed by the sovereign eternal God of Scripture.

00:57:11.620 Because the one thing is that he is sovereign, he ordains the rising and the falling of kings.

00:57:17.400 So, according to that predisposition, there's no technology possible to create a portal to go

00:57:23.520 back in time and space to re-alter history. That would mean that there's an aspect of,

00:57:28.060 There's a realm in which Christ is not sovereign over.

00:57:32.860 You cannot go back and try to alter it.

00:57:36.180 It's not possible.

00:57:37.540 The same reason why you can't upload someone's consciousness into a hard drive,

00:57:42.840 because to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.

00:57:45.520 The only way there could be appearance through that would be demonic deception.

00:57:49.080 And that's where, for me, it gets weird,

00:57:51.200 because now you're dealing with a part where it's not just technology.

00:57:54.780 right because and then again someone like elon would have the predisposition that you're just

00:57:59.040 dealing with like flesh and bone and the neural link is that but now the question is okay if you're

00:58:05.420 uploading grandma to a hard drive her consciousness to a hard drive so you can you can cause you

00:58:09.940 communicate with her okay what what a fee right what what what is that is that is that something

00:58:17.300 that's new is that majority is something brand new i think on one hand it's uh well first and

00:58:21.620 it's not her right so we know that but then you know then that gives a couple alternatives one

00:58:27.960 it's a highly sophisticated narrow ai program right and then the other option is it's a little

00:58:36.680 bit of that and also it's a playground a virtual playground for demons yeah that come in and also

00:58:43.660 manipulate the program so that grandma uh grandma uh it's so funny you know because in life grandma

00:58:49.560 just wanted to talk about you know the weather and you know and her cat that she loved we would

00:58:54.780 you know but now grandma always wants to talk to me about theology and about this one world order 0.93

00:59:01.800 and how we should care more about women and a global you know government and the environment

00:59:07.760 oh well at that point it's like okay well you should have known it wasn't grandma all along

00:59:13.260 but secondly this is you know a highly sophisticated technological program

00:59:18.880 and here's the thing it could also be demons who want that or it also could just be the highly

00:59:25.480 sophisticated program that's not neutral because it was made by men who are also they were influenced

00:59:30.420 by demons and so yeah and either but in either case really to in some level it's in some level

00:59:36.540 it's uh irrelevant like it's either uh the it's the raw program that was made by demonic men

00:59:43.020 and therefore has a demonic messaging or it's the the it's not completely the program it's part

00:59:50.320 program but then that becomes facilitates the context for demons to act but in both cases it's

00:59:56.120 uh it's it's it leaves room for demonic influence whether it's you know so anyway it's like a tap

01:00:02.420 into the prince of the power of the air for a fee right like you asked you asked a question like

01:00:06.340 ethically when do we draw that line so if we put technology technology in our body that could

01:00:12.680 eventually be hijacked um ought we be able should we put that in our bodies in the first place

01:00:20.360 so i've never thought about that to be honest um so i'm trying to think through that right now and

01:00:25.420 the implications to say well since it could happen or living in a what if i will not get that but i

01:00:31.820 mean the same thing could be used instead about the electric grid and electricity you know what

01:00:35.880 i mean right uh the electric grid could be tapped and taken away from us and all of the energy

01:00:40.220 can be used and placed into something else maybe i'm missing categories here in my thinking i do

01:00:45.240 think those are separate categories just in the sense of like it being in your body able to

01:00:50.060 influence your mind okay like sure we're reliant on lots of things like i am dude i yeah i am very

01:00:56.080 reliant on electricity i'm a soft man in that regard you know and and if i lost it man because

01:01:03.380 of all the dependencies that i have on you know stove and oven and lights and you know all these

01:01:09.460 kinds of things uh life would be very hard but it wouldn't um my mind would still be free right i

01:01:17.340 would still be me i'd have some challenges i'd have to figure some things out but you'd have

01:01:21.500 someone recording us with a little crank camera yeah right yeah yeah yeah he'd be running in the

01:01:26.140 back right but i'd still i'd still be me yeah you know whereas i so i do think it's a different

01:01:31.720 category but i hear you i don't know i don't know you know because i would of course i'd be like no

01:01:36.100 way would i uh get a chip put in me um but here's something you know to consider i'm also not in a

01:01:42.480 wheelchair yeah right like that's just a whole nother level of decision making right when it's

01:01:48.660 like chip that could be hacked, but also I can walk. I really like to walk. I don't want to get

01:02:00.040 hacked. I like to think as well. Yeah, exactly. So for me, it's like, yeah, no chip, no brainer.

01:02:06.560 Yeah. And I think ultimately it comes down to just walking in wisdom. And I think in the book

01:02:12.280 of Colossians is one of my favorite books in the entire New Testament. And one other thing that

01:02:16.760 Paul says, and again, he's talking to an audience that's like, Colossae was as pagan as you could

01:02:22.480 get. Like, as much as we're sort of talking about, you know, the return of the old gods and kind of

01:02:26.820 the rise of neo-paganism, everything that we're facing, like, this is a burnt, like, Colossae was

01:02:32.020 a burning man 24-7 on steroids. Like, that's what you were really dealing with, with that

01:02:38.560 congregation when he's writing to. But he says, conduct yourself with wisdom towards outsiders,

01:02:43.080 making the most of every opportunity, but let your speech be with salt, you know, season with salt.

01:02:48.720 And he even talks about, it may not be the same, but he also in another part of the scripture,

01:02:53.300 he talks about being wise as serpents and gentle as does.

01:02:55.760 So it is a matter of just conducting yourself with wisdom, understanding the world and the culture and where it's headed,

01:03:02.100 where, again, a lot of people will look at the rise of transhumanism,

01:03:06.360 think they're tapping into something brand new that no one else has done before.

01:03:09.960 but when you actually look at what the ancient pagans did,

01:03:13.340 there's really nothing new under the sun.

01:03:15.340 And that's where, you know, even when we're talking about technology

01:03:18.300 and we're talking about in other eras,

01:03:19.920 I mean, we're talking about how Austin is kind of like

01:03:21.720 the new technocracy is taking over San Francisco.

01:03:24.800 And a lot of even, like, a lot of people around Amazon,

01:03:29.920 Google, who've pushed a lot of the modern AI,

01:03:32.920 and there's been some weird things happening

01:03:34.300 where they did the race swapping that happened.

01:03:36.960 And that's connected, you know,

01:03:38.160 they have predispositions of critical race. 0.99

01:03:39.800 Oh, Gemini. How do you say it? 0.92

01:03:41.760 Gemini, you're right.

01:03:42.360 Gemini, yeah.

01:03:42.980 And it was like, show me a colonial blah, blah, blah. 1.00

01:03:46.180 Black, black. 0.99

01:03:47.280 It just erased white people. 0.99

01:03:49.020 Right. 0.78

01:03:49.340 So you see like predispositions.

01:03:51.060 Like straight up, no apology.

01:03:53.040 I forgot about that.

01:03:54.020 But a lot of times the creativity that's utilized for those who are creating technology,

01:03:57.740 they're doing it by psychedelic usage.

01:03:59.980 They're trying to normalize that.

01:04:02.180 And now also you have a lot of the major technocracies.

01:04:05.560 They're burners.

01:04:06.360 They're very heavily involved in Burning Man, which we'll get into.

01:04:08.760 too, but that's just a thing where you don't want to be...

01:04:11.860 We're doing an episode on Burning Man, too, yeah.

01:04:13.180 And so you're not going to be...

01:04:14.720 At the end of the day, I think you need to not be fearful of technology, but I think

01:04:18.100 this is where you need to really do your work.

01:04:23.020 This is as much as some of the people would try and argue against, that the Christian

01:04:28.980 walk is the ultimate work of the intellect, because you have to really...

01:04:33.980 You're called to love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength.

01:04:38.240 You love Him with every ontological distinction of who we are, both with our body and also with

01:04:45.060 our spirit. And I think through that, you need to understand, okay, who am I? How is God sovereign

01:04:52.940 in this role? What is this technology? Is it made in such a way that's glorifying God? Or is it

01:04:59.600 being conducted in a way that's going to violate my jurisdiction of whether it's self-government,

01:05:04.160 family government, church government, you name it. Say that again. Because that last part is so

01:05:11.320 helpful in answering the question, you know, so where's the line? And you said you have to ask

01:05:16.120 the question, is this going to violate? How did you word that again? Just violate the jurisdiction

01:05:22.060 of family government. So I think like a violation where AI was used in a sinful and wicked way was

01:05:28.080 in 2020 um i remember i was on facebook and i got a notification that said jeremiah you clicked on a

01:05:34.800 picture you clicked on an image that had wrong information about covet 19 but it never it never

01:05:40.220 specified what the piece of uh what the piece of content was it didn't specify um what the article

01:05:46.220 was what i said so i was basically tried and convicted and i was basically a gaslit by

01:05:52.880 technology now ai is just ai but you have those at that time who were part of the message that

01:06:00.300 were part of the you know that was the mantra of like you know social distancing wearing masks you

01:06:04.920 know just trust the science right so any any thought crime that went against it i got convicted

01:06:10.300 of a thought crime on that that vital that was a violation of my jurisdiction of self-government

01:06:14.720 to do my critical thinking to analyze the world around me that and use my reasoning that god gave

01:06:20.160 me to understand, okay, how do I conduct myself? You know, and if I'm thinking now as a husband

01:06:25.740 and father, if there's another pandemic, I want to utilize, okay, is it safe to go to work? Should

01:06:30.160 I not go to work? Cause I want to protect my wife. I want to protect my four month old son.

01:06:35.440 Um, and like a continuation of my lineage, I want to think critically. If in the event that happened,

01:06:40.240 that would be a direct violation of that. So that would be something that would be,

01:06:44.560 you know, you can't punish AI, but you would have to confront the creators of that AI and say, no,

01:06:49.220 what you did here is wicked and you need to repent. You're violating the space of self-government

01:06:55.540 and family government. Yep. That's good. I like that. Andrew, any final thoughts for this episode?

01:07:00.280 No, I love that, man. That was awesome, Jerry. Throwing it down. That was theonomic, brother,

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The NXR Podcast - July 12, 2024

THE FRIDAY SPECIAL - Transhumanism & Artificial Intelligence ｜ Ep 2 with @TheCultishShow

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