The NXR Podcast - September 06, 2025


THE FRIDAY SPECIAL - We’re Sorry Christian Nationalism Is Happening To You

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conferences Christian Nationalism pastors crushing enemies friend-enemy distinction practices
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Joel Webbon Harrison Smith Antonio Griffith Dale Partridge Wewsley Todd Calvin Robinson
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Joel Webin James Lindsay Stephen Wolf Ogden Biden Charles Haywood Samuel Sayers Andrew Isker Doug Wilson Christian Nationalism Warren McIntyre Babylon Bee Seth Dillon Saw Gunner John Doyle Joel Berry Calvin Brian Marx
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Pastor Joel Webin and Dr. Stephen Wolf wrap up their 10-part series on Christian Nationalism. In this final episode, the guys talk about the pros and cons of Christian nationalism and what it means to be a Christian nationalist.

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00:00:30 Okay, here we are. This is the final episode of our 10-part series. Myself,
00:00:49 Pastor Joel Webin, and Dr. Stephen Wolf, and we have been talking about all things
00:00:53 Christian nationalism following roughly the outline of your book, The Case for Christian
00:00:58 nationalism, but it's not just following the book. So for those who read the book,
00:01:03 I certainly wouldn't conclude that, oh, well, you know, been there, done that, bought the t-shirt.
00:01:08 I think there's a lot of things beyond the book that we've discussed.
00:01:10 You can buy a t-shirt, by the way.
00:01:11 Yeah. Oh, really? Oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah. Yeah. So you could buy the t-shirt, but I think
00:01:16 we've discussed things, you know, beyond just the scope of the book that were fascinating,
00:01:21 if nothing else, by virtue of the fact that I'm on the show also and can't help myself.
00:01:26 kind of say whatever you want it's your show right you could yeah talk about america throwing
00:01:31 the antioch declaration i did you know so our last episode we did the antioch declaration probably
00:01:36 our spiciest was episode four we got into israel and somehow somehow i like what you told me last
00:01:43 night you're like joel i don't know i don't know if it actually correlates like and i my response
00:01:49 was but but were you not entertained that's what i tried to in the fourth episode we talked about
00:01:53 Israel and I did a silly little trope and comparing it to Atlantis. And so lots of
00:01:59 fascinating things. I think many helpful things, all of them interesting things. But in our final
00:02:06 episode, in the name of the spirit of helpfulness, we wanted to get really practical and move away
00:02:11 from the political philosophy, move away from some of the theology. Some of that will be here,
00:02:16 I'm sure, but we just wanted to try to raise and answer the question, okay, if I'm sold
00:02:23 and Christian nationalism is the way to go, how do we do it? Where do we go from here? Because
00:02:30 I think that's, you know, I'm a post-mill guy, you're all-mill. But some of the post-mill guys,
00:02:35 not all of them, Ogden, they're post-mill. And I think they're more like me. Andrew Isker is
00:02:40 post-mill he's more like me ad robles um but there are some post-millennial guys who um they have a
00:02:48 really clear picture in their mind of z and they know what's happening presently a but b c d e f
00:02:56 like there's not a whole lot of it's just yeah other than personal evangelism and maybe god
00:03:02 sends revival and we get a bunch of enough regenerate hearts that um everybody will just
00:03:08 they'll vote in the kingdom of god and uh and that's one of the things i think that appealed
00:03:13 to me with christian nationalism i am still post-millennial in my post-millennial in my
00:03:18 eschatology but i liked christian nationalism because of its practical helpfulness like i felt
00:03:24 like the christian nationalist guys were a little bit less of the persuasion of um
00:03:30 this is going to happen in 50 000 years instead the christian nationalist guys were saying
00:03:35 we can't promise it's going to happen but we think it could happen and by god's grace uh there's
00:03:42 actually clear steps that we can take it could happen even in our lifetimes and that's appealing
00:03:47 to me so if we could talk about some of those steps that in our lifetime that could make a
00:03:54 serious difference for our kids yeah this is the question of what to do next is that is the hardest
00:04:01 question for me to answer. Uh, I, I, I wrote the book, it's 10 chapters, an intro, and then I get
00:04:08 to the end and I'm thinking, okay, they're going to want to know what do we do now? Right. You've
00:04:15 read, you've somehow made it through 400 pages of this book. Um, now I need to, I need something
00:04:22 practical of, of what to do. And I have to admit that I, I did not know what to say. Um, because,
00:04:28 it's a different question.
00:04:31 The question of whether or not
00:04:33 there'd be civil government
00:04:34 before the fall,
00:04:35 that's something I can tackle.
00:04:37 But then in the real world
00:04:39 with the complex dynamics,
00:04:42 with the left controlling
00:04:43 the institutions,
00:04:45 with a lot of eager people
00:04:46 to do something
00:04:47 in their own individual sphere,
00:04:49 their own vocation,
00:04:50 it was something that I didn't,
00:04:52 at the time, two years ago,
00:04:55 did not feel prepared to answer.
00:04:57 And even to this day,
00:04:58 it's still a difficult thing to, uh, to address. Um, and so when I wrote the epilogue, it was me
00:05:04 just sitting down and typing out a bunch of thoughts. And then I got 39 or 40 of them.
00:05:11 And I said, that's all I got. Um, but in there I did say like, Hey, this is, this is not just
00:05:17 my thing. Like this is, I say something effective. We need the political theorists. We need the
00:05:23 foot soldiers. We need the popularizers. We need the average guy who's got a plumbing business or
00:05:29 a landscaping business. Like we need those guys. We need the military officers, you know,
00:05:34 we need all these people in their different various vocations to think through of what do
00:05:39 I do now? So I think a lot of what we're going to talk about now, it has to be contextualized,
00:05:44 but at the individual level, you have to think. But so there are some thoughts I have,
00:05:50 and I'm curious what you think as well.
00:05:53 I think that,
00:05:55 like they say there's like an epidemic
00:05:56 of a sort of loneliness.
00:05:58 Yes.
00:05:58 I don't know if that's a younger generation.
00:06:01 It's not something I've experienced.
00:06:03 I married kind of young and so,
00:06:06 but I know among a lot of young people
00:06:09 there is that sort of thing.
00:06:10 And there's also a feeling of isolation.
00:06:12 Even if you're married,
00:06:14 you discover Joel Webin
00:06:16 and you start listening to him
00:06:17 and you become convinced of patriarchy
00:06:19 and you listen to me
00:06:20 you're becoming convinced of Christian nationalism. And in your wife, it's harder to
00:06:24 get her on board with that, especially if you're in your 40s or whatever it is. And so people feel
00:06:29 very isolated. So one thing I would say, and it's one thing I'm doing, is that every other week
00:06:34 I meet with a group of guys. We have an email list. It's like 20, 30 people. And ordinarily,
00:06:44 we discuss an American Reformer article. And we usually get off topic within five minutes. But
00:06:49 the idea is that we're coming together and we're generally like-minded and we develop friendships
00:06:55 and we learn what this guy does and what he does and you can use their services if he does this
00:07:00 or that and you start the networks and then you find out that this guy knows this guy and and so
00:07:05 it's a way for you to gain friends of like-minded people so you're not just stuck on the internet
00:07:10 with your your anon friends which is good which is fine but it's good to have it in person so if
00:07:17 you're able and there's a location, just meet every other week. Um, so that's just a simple
00:07:23 thing. But in terms of the friendship, like that's been really great. Uh, and you learn a lot,
00:07:29 like, like just the average guy, um, you, you learn like a huge amount from that guy. So
00:07:35 that's one piece of advice I'd give. Yeah. That's great. Yeah. We, um, similar. So yeah,
00:07:43 I would, I would certainly agree with that. Um, you have to have relationships because so much,
00:07:47 of um right now among you know the new right the dissident right the you know whatever um
00:07:54 i think some uh some of our friends in moscow called it the uh the dank right uh like not even
00:08:01 right but right yeah um the the dank right with a t i actually like that one i i'm happy to i was
00:08:09 like hey that's pretty cool i'll you know i mean like dank memes that's an old like old internet
00:08:13 at things. So now they're bringing it back. Yeah. But anyways, whatever you want to call it,
00:08:19 Christian Nationalist, you know, our, our guys, our team, the people who people like Moscow or
00:08:26 I'm sorry, Ogden, Warren McIntyre, guys who like his show, guys who listen to you, listen to me,
00:08:34 listen to Contra Moondum, CJ and Isker are, you know, so anyways, if you're, if you're guys like
00:08:41 that my point is that um there's a lot of camaraderie there's a lot of um collaborating
00:08:47 but so much of it really is online and so i'm just saying all this to affirm what you said
00:08:53 um that's not enough uh now i i think that that is helpful i don't want to disparage that because
00:08:59 you know people always say like uh twitter's not real life x is not real life and and i know what
00:09:04 they're saying i think that in one sense that is true um uh you know because there's there's a
00:09:09 whole swath of a type of person that i think is probably the majority of people who aren't on x
00:09:14 at the same time though um i've made real life relationships from x like it is real life yeah
00:09:20 at least in some regard um because there's guys who i now have spent time with and i wouldn't
00:09:26 know them otherwise and so it's like x is i think a great place not only the coliseum you know it's
00:09:33 it's not really the public square it's it's not a discourse it's uh it's battle it's war so it's
00:09:38 the Colosseum, you go there to fight. And as Christians, we want to fight well. But that
00:09:44 doesn't just mean we want to fight, you know, in a moral fashion. We want to fight well, meaning
00:09:48 like we also would like to fight and win. And so doing both, you know, fighting in a moral manner
00:09:54 and fighting in a victorious manner, actually being efficient and successful. But another
00:09:59 purpose I think of X is the fight and pushing ideas forward and pushing on the Overton window
00:10:06 and permissible discourse expanding that uh but also it's a great place not for friendship um not
00:10:14 not to um not to have friends but to make friends and uh and so i would say you know for guys who
00:10:20 are on the distant right who follow us um in some ways it's less important your your uh interactions
00:10:29 with with steven wolf you know or joel webin it's it's more so uh down in the comment thread
00:10:35 your interactions with each other, you know, and then following each other and then DMing each
00:10:39 other and networking with each other. That's, this is why conferences matter. I mean, all the
00:10:43 content you can find online, you know, like who cares about, you know, what, like, why do people
00:10:48 go to conferences? I think it's just to, even if it's just two days out of the year, it's to remind
00:10:53 yourself that you're not alone, that you're not crazy, that there's actually real flesh and blood
00:10:57 people. And it's not just bots on the internet, but like they represent real people who actually
00:11:02 agree with you. You know, it's to maintain sanity. And so I think, you know, use X. My point is use
00:11:08 X, use conferences, use these venues. But remind yourself that these things aren't sufficient to
00:11:19 have friendship, but they can be highly effective to make friendship. And then upon making the
00:11:26 friendship, then create some other kind of context. So like I created, you know, and I have
00:11:31 plenty of friendships but but for the sake of others i created um a cohort and um of guys who
00:11:39 were following me and some of the you know the people who who were most um participating the
00:11:44 most and and commenting the most and sharing my post the most and um and i like found a way to
00:11:49 kind of collect these guys got about a hundred of them and and got their emails and reached out
00:11:54 and now they're all uh and set up a trip and i said hey you know like i'm willing to do if you
00:12:00 guys are interested and they were all eager but like i'm willing to do a quarterly zoom call with
00:12:04 all of us where i'm not talking the whole time i'm talking but but we're all able to correspond
00:12:10 two hours in call once a quarter um uh and and then interactions you know whether it's a group
00:12:17 chat or whatever uh on a on a more daily basis and then an annual trip and so we've got all these
00:12:24 guys that are coming actually in january so by the time this airs that will have already passed
00:12:30 um but uh but i'm excited like they're going to come and spend a weekend come to church on sunday
00:12:35 arrive on friday and we're just gonna you know hang out and smoke cigars and and there's not
00:12:41 really much of an agenda we'll talk like we'll talk about social media strategy but then we're
00:12:46 also going to talk like practically about like you know business and stuff and like hey so you're
00:12:51 you're a lawyer and this guy needs a lawyer you know or like you're doing this thing you're five
00:12:55 years into your landscaping business you're one year in you know and like and yeah so those kinds
00:13:00 of things um so anyways i i think you're right is uh friendship is key um this the the social
00:13:07 internet friendship is uh is not sufficient uh but it is a great springboard for making friends
00:13:14 but then finding context in real life for keeping friends yeah so doing doing some of that yeah
00:13:21 i think yeah along those lines uh also is uh yeah like helping each other out in like once you once
00:13:33 you know these guys and you know their problems you know their their their uh like let's say
00:13:39 financial or employment problems uh if you have a strong business you should consider hiring that
00:13:47 person like you could if you know the guy and you know he's a good guy and he has a potential to be
00:13:53 competent at that job you might have another hire that you're looking at and you think that guy
00:13:59 knows what he's doing but he's also not a christian right or he is a christian but he's not aligned
00:14:05 um ideologically or politically then hire the hire the guy who you think has potential for that job
00:14:13 bring him in into that employment um and build the build that up i i mean if someone is doxed
00:14:20 and they lose their job right find some way if you can to hire that guy right um if you know a
00:14:27 guy who has a lot of potential to be a sort of influencer um but if he becomes an influencer
00:14:34 he'll get fired well maybe that's a good guy for you to hire so then he can become that he can do
00:14:38 that with his own name
00:14:41 and all that. So there's just
00:14:42 all these different ways that if you think
00:14:44 think of all of the various
00:14:46 resources you have.
00:14:48 The ability to employ a guy is a resource.
00:14:51 Huge resource.
00:14:52 Think about that. And this also
00:14:54 brings up the fact that
00:14:55 you've emphasized before
00:14:58 pursue wealth,
00:15:00 pursue your vocation, be the best you can
00:15:02 be at that, and see
00:15:04 that as a
00:15:06 means for you to help
00:15:08 the the common good which is opposed to the good we have the sort of good we have today
00:15:14 um so orient all those things around that yep um and also doing that people that's how just like
00:15:20 the average person who doesn't have fancy degrees or cameras and lights uh can can make i mean
00:15:27 really any sort of movement or any kind of change it happens it's it happens because there's a lot
00:15:34 of regular guys doing ordinary things. Like there's always the extraordinary, like you got
00:15:39 the big figure, you got the name, you got the great man, but it's those little guys who are
00:15:43 like, you know, being the foot soldiers for the movement. Yeah. It won't work without them. Um,
00:15:49 yeah. One of the ways that I've, um, Oh, real quick, I was going to say, uh, the same kind of
00:15:54 concept of providing, um, protection and impunity and those kinds of things at a vocational level.
00:16:01 if you are a business owner by hiring a guy who it's not just a charity, like he will work hard,
00:16:09 he'll do a good job, he's a good Christian man, but the world would hate him, not because he's
00:16:12 objectively a bad guy, but the world will malign him. And when I say the world, sadly, I mean,
00:16:17 many evangelicals as well, they would just say, oh, he's a terrible person.
00:16:21 They might be the worst. 0.64
00:16:22 They might be the worst, probably will be. And so you can provide, you can be a shield and provide
00:16:28 protection as a business owner. You can also do that. Um, and it's sad that this even has to be
00:16:34 done, but I think it bears saying, uh, you can also do that as a pastor. It's like one way to
00:16:39 push Christian nationalism further is we need, um, we need guys, you know, um, business owners
00:16:46 on the right. We also need pastors on the right. And you would think that they, they, you know,
00:16:51 of course pastors are on the right. Not really. You know, like, like you need, you like, you
00:16:56 actually need because here's the thing like um steven wolf needs a church and i won't share any
00:17:02 details you know but uh but the fact that i'm not going to share any details illustrates the point
00:17:06 that i'm making right like that um i am a part of a church by the way you are of course of course
00:17:12 but my point is yeah right yeah but the fact um you could not go to any church sadly and that's
00:17:18 i think that's terrible that's a shame um and so what i'm saying is that like we need christian
00:17:24 nationalist pastors even, so that guys who are good Christian men, but by normie evangelical
00:17:35 standards are viewed as monsters. Now, hear me, it's imperative that when evangelicals call you
00:17:42 a monster, that you actually are not. There are real monsters in the world. There are real men
00:17:48 who are terrible men. So don't be one of them. But for those who are labeled as monsters,
00:17:55 not just by the left, but even by conservative, neo-conservative evangelical Christians,
00:18:01 those guys need churches. So those guys need to be employed. So we need Christian nationalist
00:18:06 bosses, business owners. They also need churches. We need Christian nationalist pastors who are
00:18:12 willing to say, I'll take that young guy and not that he can do whatever he wants, but I'm going
00:18:20 to walk with him. I'm going to shepherd him and I'm not going to crush him. And he can be a member
00:18:26 in good standing in our church. So that's another thing. I think that's crucial. And I've said it
00:18:33 many times that the pastor doesn't have to be an expert on politics, nor does he have to preach on
00:18:40 politics all the time or all those things. You prefer that he doesn't. If you remember my church,
00:18:46 you'd probably be like, all right, Joel, nice try. I've changed a little bit on that. That's
00:18:50 mainly because I thought most pastors are horrible in politics. But I've changed a little bit on
00:18:56 that. But I think one of the most important roles of a pastor is it's like a chaplain in the
00:19:05 military. So the chaplain in the military is not in the chain of command as a chaplain,
00:19:12 but he ministers to the people as they're doing their war fighting. So he's not telling, he's not
00:19:18 saying, you know, hey, Saw Gunner, go there and that's your target. He is, once that, you know,
00:19:26 that mission's complete, he's ministering to that guy. And so I think a Christian nationalist
00:19:33 pastor or pastor involved in this, would make sure, first of all, that he would affirm
00:19:39 their desire for a Christian nation, that he would affirm their work in whatever capacity
00:19:52 they do it. He'd say, what you're doing, it is good to desire and work for the heritage of faith
00:19:59 that America has and to work for a Christian nation that is good.
00:20:04 What a lot of pastors do now, and you're very well aware of this,
00:20:08 is they'll say, you care too much and you shouldn't care.
00:20:11 And it's a zero-sum thing.
00:20:13 The more you care about politics, the less you care about Jesus.
00:20:16 And so they act as then a means to inaction,
00:20:19 to actually stifling that courage and that desire to bring in God.
00:20:27 it's the war on masculinity and ambition is i think in many ways innately masculine and so
00:20:34 part of being holy uh to to be a holy righteous virtuous christian is to uh we we have conflated
00:20:42 um righteousness uh holiness with femininity yeah and so uh what does it look like for a man to be
00:20:50 um a good christian man well it um it looks like having a quiet and gentle spirit uh not being
00:20:59 um overly ambitious um being subservient being submissive and like basically you would just
00:21:05 take every verse in the bible that uh is directed towards women and prescribe that to men yeah and
00:21:11 so so my point is a christian nationalist pastor well one thing uh that what is a christian
00:21:17 nationalist pastor, one thing would be he's a masculine pastor. And by virtue of being a
00:21:22 masculine pastor, he's a pastor who doesn't throw cold water on ambition.
00:21:27 Right. Yeah. And by not doing that, you affirm their ambition for that. But I think the right
00:21:35 pastoral role is saying, look, I affirm that, but let me make sure that this is not
00:21:42 preventing you from the highest good, that is Christ. You can get caught up in the internet
00:21:51 wars. And you can get so caught up that you no longer read the word, you no longer pray.
00:21:58 And the pastor should be, I'm not telling you not to do those things, but make sure
00:22:03 that your first heart is for eternal life. It is for Christ. So that's like the chaplain thing.
00:22:10 It's like, it's not only to encourage you
00:22:13 in the work you know how to do,
00:22:14 it's also to feed your soul at the same time.
00:22:17 Reorient you away from that work, not to disparage it.
00:22:20 So ambition is good, but to also remind
00:22:22 you are an eternal creature.
00:22:24 Right, and it's not, yeah,
00:22:26 so they don't present it as a zero-sum game.
00:22:28 You care more about politics.
00:22:30 If you care about politics, you don't care about Jesus.
00:22:31 It's saying it's good that you care about politics,
00:22:34 but don't let that kind of cloud your chief end.
00:22:40 which is eternal life in Christ.
00:22:42 And so that's really important for a pastor.
00:22:45 And there are, I know young guys
00:22:48 and they're in seminary now
00:22:49 and they're kind of keeping their heads down.
00:22:51 We've talked about this a little bit.
00:22:52 And they see that.
00:22:54 Like they see in the internet world,
00:22:57 a lot of young guys who are very ambitious
00:23:00 and on fire for the political side,
00:23:02 but they do fear that that is a problem
00:23:05 for them with regard to spiritual things.
00:23:08 And they want to be the pastor who says,
00:23:10 yeah great do that for christ but also don't neglect your soul right um in your pursuit of
00:23:17 these earthly goods that are good but don't don't lose focus on those other things right it makes
00:23:23 me smile uh because i don't know why but i just i couldn't get um out of my uh mind the picture of
00:23:29 john doyle do you know who that is yeah yeah so i've talked to him some offline and he's a good
00:23:34 guy um uh what's the show heck off commie i think is the name of his youtube channel and uh and he
00:23:42 he actually he's super sharp and uh super young and super sharp and has some great stuff and uh
00:23:47 but i remember like in one video it was leading up to uh you know he's he's like he loves trump
00:23:52 and uh and and his instincts were right on trump from the beginning all the way back in 2015
00:23:57 and uh but uh heading towards the election he um he did like a video where he was like
00:24:04 look your soul matters um and uh and this matters and that but he said but um but right now it
00:24:10 doesn't we're coming up to an election if you're not on twitter 14 hours a day
00:24:14 then you are not a patriot get your he said you need to be having 17 anon accounts and
00:24:21 and he was you know he was saying it tongue-in-cheek but it was it was really funny like
00:24:25 but he was sarcastically he was saying yeah like um you we need to be serious we need to win but
00:24:33 he was acknowledging in a sarcastic way that um but you can't you can't obsess you need to be
00:24:40 disciplined you need to be ambitious but you can't obsess uh one other thing i was gonna say so we
00:24:44 need the business owners we need the pastors um i i said this i don't know if you if you remember
00:24:49 this but um when we were at the ogden conference i got in trouble with this right when we watched i
00:24:53 think I clipped it out, but I said, I want to win. And I said, and I don't know how to win
00:24:59 without seizing power. And so I want to see Christians seize power, which is not inherently
00:25:04 good or bad, but then wield power as a tool in righteous, good ways for the good. And what does
00:25:13 that look like? Well, wielding power righteously looks like a blessing to your friends and crushing
00:25:21 your enemies and uh and everybody you know lost their mind and i you know but i said it like
00:25:27 other guys say it but but i'll say things very very matter of fact you know and and i was like
00:25:33 yes i want to crush my enemies and so then later i did like a post you know because i i got in
00:25:38 trouble for it and so i you know i did a post where i fleshed out i i can't remember four or
00:25:42 five different ways of crushing enemies in a christianly manner um and so i said like now
00:25:47 when i say crushing enemies i don't mean in the middle of the night cutting you know somebody's
00:25:51 break lines. Um, but, but what I do mean is, uh, depending on your vocation and like, I think of,
00:25:57 you know, first Corinthians, like each man should remain in whatever station of life when the Lord
00:26:01 called him. And I know that particularly that's pertaining to singleness and marriage and, um,
00:26:05 marital status, but, but there's also a sense in which like, even like Roman centurions, you know,
00:26:10 and soldiers went to Jesus and they asked the question, like, you know, what is like, Hey,
00:26:14 we want to be your disciples too. What does Christianity mean for us? And, and it's almost,
00:26:19 you can almost read out of out of it you know it's not explicitly there but you can always put
00:26:23 yourself in their shoes they're probably expecting if i had to guess they're probably expecting like
00:26:28 it's almost like baked into the question is um can't like not just what what does christian life
00:26:33 look like for romans and uh uh soldiers but it's almost like they're asking um is christian life
00:26:38 compatible with being like basically like um they're asking you know uh not just how can we
00:26:44 be roman soldiers christianly um but they're probably implicitly in that they're asking do
00:26:50 we need to quit our job and and the fascinating you know thing is that uh jesus response is is a
00:26:56 bit you know surprising that he's like um he doesn't say oh you're roman soldiers well what
00:27:02 does it look like to be my disciple it looks like uh you know uh giving your resignation
00:27:07 you know and finding a better vocation but jesus doesn't say that uh and he and then he begins to
00:27:13 talk about how you can remain even in that station, um, in a Christian manner and being
00:27:19 content with your wages and not extorting and, you know, these kinds of things. And so, so what
00:27:24 does it mean to crush your enemies as a blessing to the righteous and a terror to, to those who do
00:27:29 evil, um, based off of vocation? Well, if you're the civil magistrate, it means wielding the full
00:27:34 weight of the law in a, in a just way, according to, and the ways that the law is compatible with
00:27:38 the law of God against those who do evil. But then if you're not a civil magistrate,
00:27:44 so that's in the legal system. If you're not a civil magistrate as an employer, you can
00:27:50 economically crush enemies, not just as an employer, but even just as a patron. And where
00:27:56 do we spend our money? Like voting with your pocketbook. Another way that I sought to crush
00:28:02 my enemies was moving out of California, moving to Texas. I thought like, I don't want to give
00:28:08 them another cent of my tax money. I don't want it to go to California. I want to see California
00:28:13 change or implode. And then I can send my grandkids back. It's beautiful. We'll take back
00:28:19 over the land later on. But they need to be knocked down or wrong. And so you can do it
00:28:24 geographically where you live. And then politically, even thinking, I was like, okay, so you can leave
00:28:31 California or New York or whatever and move to a deep red state, but you also, family should be
00:28:36 taken into account and jobs and all those kinds of things. But if all things are equal,
00:28:40 why not move to a swing state? I think it was like 46,000 votes in 2020 that Trump lost,
00:28:47 allegedly lost by. If you look at four of the seven swing states that ended up going for Biden,
00:28:56 four of them would have been enough in the electoral college for him to win. And the
00:29:00 combined popular vote in those four states, the combined margins of all four of them together
00:29:05 that Biden, you know, allegedly won by was less than 50,000. So it's, and yet there were 6 million
00:29:11 Trump votes in California compared to 12 million for Biden, you know, so it's like 6 million down
00:29:17 the toilet. And I was one of them because we left in December right after, you know, I wasted my
00:29:21 vote for Trump in California. And so, but my point is like, that's another way to crush your enemies
00:29:26 is move to Michigan or Pennsylvania 0.98
00:29:30 and vote red, start a business and hire Christians 0.52
00:29:37 and not liberals and leftists as a patron
00:29:42 and not just how you do wages,
00:29:45 but how you spend money, like patron good businesses.
00:29:50 And if you're a civil magistrate,
00:29:51 using the weight of the law as a pastor,
00:29:54 um letting uh not disparaging right-wing young men in your church and like guys who believed
00:30:02 what every christian believed 100 years ago uh not excommunicating them like all in all these ways
00:30:07 these are practical ways to work towards christian nationalism yeah um
00:30:13 yeah and the topic of crushing your enemies the thing about the right that actually that is very
00:30:19 masculine is that we will just straight up say it right like we will say that that politics is uh
00:30:25 in part a uh a friend enemy distinction we'll say that up front whereas all the people who deny that
00:30:32 they practice that just as much oh yeah uh i mean just recently that hit that like uh that uh hoax
00:30:38 thing that uh this just happened on amref yeah on american reformer through james lindsey it was
00:30:44 of course dragged and it was actually embarrassing for for lindsey and all the people who promoted
00:30:48 right because he ended up changing like 90 right yeah it was like 95 change like it was just it
00:30:54 was silly like a bunch of very large even non-christian twitter accounts just dragged him
00:30:59 and took him out and there's even it's even even today i saw that there's there's like tim pool 0.89
00:31:03 did a whole video on it attacking him so so yeah american reformer it was actually a boost for them
00:31:08 but but nevertheless all the people who say that they denounce the front enemy distinction
00:31:15 are practicing the front enemy distinction. 0.60
00:31:18 They use a hoax from an atheist 0.73
00:31:19 in which he lies about his identity, 0.95
00:31:22 lies about the content, really,
00:31:23 because it's really not the Communist Manifesto
00:31:26 changed to look like it's right-wing.
00:31:30 It's really just a right-wing document
00:31:31 with very little overlap with Marx's right.
00:31:35 But the leftist group, Babylon Bee,
00:31:38 wasted no time at all.
00:31:40 Like Seth Dillon and Joel Berry,
00:31:42 they couldn't even contain themselves.
00:31:43 the bubbling up you know joy of like yes it wasn't just those guys it was like it was like christians
00:31:50 it was like the the mid-level big eva guys like samuel james and samuel say um and some other
00:31:57 people who are very explicitly denounced that frenemy but they're willing of course they're
00:32:01 willing to use that sort of tactic to take down uh their enemies so even like just it's a it's
00:32:09 just the the the rule of thumb it's just a solid principle that the the the people who most denounce
00:32:14 friend-enemy distinction are the least trustworthy people or are trustworthy in the fact that they
00:32:19 will seek to crush uh crush their enemies and so the left is doing it the the the liberals are
00:32:25 doing it the classical liberal christians are doing it the centrists the moderates whatever
00:32:29 they are center right they're all doing it they just uh they moralize about the friend but we're
00:32:36 actually very clear up front about it. And this is the thing about the right. It's very masculine
00:32:39 saying, this is what we're up to. It's also honest. It's honest. Yeah. And, and we do it
00:32:44 through, uh, like they say it's unprincipled, but we do it through principled means. Um, and, uh,
00:32:50 so it's, that's why I wanted to flesh out when I say crush your enemies. Yeah. Uh, if you're a
00:32:54 civil magistrate, if you're a business owner, uh, this is how you do it in the household. This is
00:32:57 how you do it in the church. All, all, uh, none of it is a visual anti-ism. None of it is like
00:33:03 dragging people out of their cars or raiding their houses or um uh you know uh like doing
00:33:09 illegal things or abusing the law or none of it is uh let's violate the constitution and none of
00:33:16 it's none of that stuff but you can do it um like for instance remember when uh you know somebody
00:33:23 said charles haywood did a good job on this but like uh somebody said something about like oh i
00:33:28 uh not only like i wish that trump with the assassination attempt i wish it had been
00:33:32 successful and he had died but also celebrated the the person who did die the death of a conservative
00:33:37 trump supporter and was like good and it's like this dude's a firefighter he's a husband he's a
00:33:43 father and this you know this person online celebrated it and they were an employee i think
00:33:47 at home depot or something like that or lowe's and and um and and it went viral and and they got
00:33:52 fired and like like clockwork a bunch of people even on the right came out like that's too far
00:33:59 like i feel bad for them and charles haywood did a good job said no you don't just need hearts for
00:34:05 revival you need stomachs for revival yeah this is uh this is lawful this this person did not get
00:34:11 beat up this person wasn't assaulted in the proper sphere their employer was shamed by the the
00:34:19 objectively shameful thing that this person said publicly and the employer uh wanted to get away
00:34:26 from it and fired them. That's great. The left has been doing that for decades. And if the right
00:34:33 doesn't have the stomach for that. Well, the right does have the stomach for it, as we've talked
00:34:37 before. If it's a racist, they'll absolutely celebrate the fire. They have the stomach for it
00:34:41 to do to their own. Yeah, to do it to their own and to use the left to do it. Basically, you,
00:34:46 yeah, I mean, we talked about that already. But yeah, they do have the stomach for it.
00:34:51 Right. But when it's the left, then it's like, oh, my moralism comes out and my moral witness
00:34:56 thing it's always so much of the of the rhetoric of the evangelical moderate or third way or center
00:35:03 right is really just moralizing to appeal to the left yeah and so that moralizing can be if it's a
00:35:09 left-wing person who gets fired you're going to then feel sad if it's a right-wing person who gets
00:35:14 fired they have it they had it coming to them it's all their fault and now they can drive a truck or
00:35:18 whatever i mean it's it's it's the same thing every single time yeah um uh but anyway yeah
00:35:24 well i was gonna say real quick with the friend enemy distinction um you know the carl schmidt
00:35:30 like he's a nazi like yeah i you know nazis drink water and so do i you know um he he's right he's
00:35:36 right about that the friend enemy distinction this is what i've noticed though the people who
00:35:39 who um deny the friend enemy distinction as you already said i just want to add one extra
00:35:44 component because because it's it's like an unbreakable rule it's always true and it's
00:35:48 helpful to be aware of um the people who deny the friend enemy distinction they say that's a
00:35:53 terrible thing and we deny that, number one, they practice it religiously to a T. So they do
00:35:59 practice a friend-enemy distinction while publicly denying it. And their public denial of the friend-enemy
00:36:05 distinction does not mean they don't practice it. They do. What you can take away from that as a
00:36:11 guarantee, you can take it to the bank, is if they deny the friend-enemy distinction, it doesn't mean
00:36:17 that they don't actually practice it. All it means is that they do have friends, they do have enemies,
00:36:21 and you are the enemy.
00:36:24 And that's important to know.
00:36:26 So every time Samuel Sayers, I like Samuel Sayers.
00:36:28 That is crucial.
00:36:29 I do.
00:36:29 Like I spoke at a conference with him
00:36:30 and he's a brother in Christ.
00:36:31 We'll worship Jesus together in eternity.
00:36:34 He's a great guy.
00:36:37 I wish, you know, slow to write.
00:36:39 I wish he was a little slower to write, you know,
00:36:41 but he's a great guy, but his instincts are wrong
00:36:45 and certainly politically wrong.
00:36:47 But he very much practiced,
00:36:48 like as soon as this article came out, you know,
00:36:51 or not article but the event unfolded that james lindsey had pulled a fast one on american
00:36:56 reformer with the communist manifesto even though he changed it 95 percent um you know a guy who
00:37:02 literally his handle is slow to write like it was like 15 minutes yeah you know that he came out on
00:37:09 twitter and he was probably most of these guys and he literally said in a mocking manner because
00:37:13 he's always like his whole thing is like i'm very respectful and you know even when i disagree i'm
00:37:17 very respectful sir he always says like he who like it's one thing to speak that way but he like
00:37:22 will type out on twitter uh uh dear sir i did and i'm like who says sir on twitter you know but
00:37:27 but anyways but with this one there's no sir it was uh it was literally it was mocking it was he
00:37:32 came out and the post i i can't quote it exactly but it was something like uh it was retweeting
00:37:37 uh james lindsey it was like protect this man at all costs you know he uh exposed the woke right
00:37:42 and made them look like the fools that they are and again this is without getting any of the facts
00:37:46 like uh he he ultimately made himself read the communist manifesto maybe he has and if he did 0.98
00:37:53 it was in college i haven't most of these guys like laughing at this wouldn't even know the
00:37:59 first thing of what that of what it says yeah they're just like oh james lindsey's back at it
00:38:03 again but it's in the end it's it's just embarrassment to them but yeah these guys
00:38:07 wouldn't have caught it but that's my point is the average person would not have caught it right
00:38:11 um and even like the like people use the opening line or some version of the of the opening line
00:38:18 of the comics manifesto in writings all the time i've done it before when i've written something
00:38:22 it's everyone knows it they know it's kind of a it's a little catchy little phrase
00:38:27 and then and so using that's not out of the ordinary so it's so then if you change 95 percent
00:38:33 of the rest you're not going to notice it even if you're a marx expert right so anyway but the
00:38:39 point is everybody practices the friend enemy distinction those who deny it do practice it
00:38:44 and the only thing that they're confirming um is that you're their enemy yeah and they will always
00:38:50 always they will waste no time to uh to mock you to uh expose whatever they think is a failure
00:38:57 for you i mean that's part of the reason why my clips go viral uh and but there's a two-part
00:39:02 process to it one is because of actual leftists that really hate christ and hate conservatives
00:39:08 and hate christians um but if it was just that i i people wouldn't really know they wouldn't know
00:39:15 who who i am they wouldn't have heard of joel webin it's a two-prong approach right wing watch 0.56
00:39:20 or mother jones or something like that you know it's leftist they pick me up uh but what gives
00:39:25 it staying power to where i don't just go viral for an afternoon but for a week or a month is um
00:39:31 um all the joel berries and samuel says and um and those guys who then retweet right wing watch
00:39:40 like these leftists that hate christ and hate christians and wish we were dead i i joyfully
00:39:47 will side with them if it means crushing joel webin because they do have enemies they do have 0.96
00:39:52 friends the problem is they just have the wrong ones right wing watch friend joel webin christian
00:39:58 pastor enemy yeah yeah so the other thing i wanted to mention before our time's out uh is
00:40:06 if you have aspirations um so younger guys if you're in high school or you're in college
00:40:12 uh it's it's not necessarily wise for you to jump out into the fray with your own name
00:40:19 and start doing these things that's good what actually what would be best is if you say i want
00:40:25 to be a statesman or politician, or I want to be a pastor, or I want to be a military officer,
00:40:31 or I want to be this and that. It's wise for you, if you have an anonymous account, have good OPSEC,
00:40:37 but also have that long-term goal that eventually I will be a leader in an institution.
00:40:44 And you'll have built up a network of like-minded people. That's one of the things just
00:40:51 Christians, broadly speaking, especially Protestants, have not done well on. They have 0.99
00:40:59 not entered the institutions. And they have not entered the institutions, one, as Protestants, 1.00
00:41:03 as Christians, and they have not prepared to lead for the right. And so pursue that. 0.88
00:41:13 Like that, that should be, if you're in seminary right now, uh, you are among a bunch of seminary
00:41:21 professors who'd be very good at what they do, but they're not going to understand if you start
00:41:26 bringing up Christian nationalism and other stuff you and I say in class in ways that position you
00:41:32 on that side, it's going to be harder for you then to get into that presbytery or whatever
00:41:37 church, unless your bag is maybe Baptist, have easier time. I don't know. But especially in
00:41:41 the Presbyterian world, you have to get it. You have to come under the care and eventually get
00:41:48 licensed and get a call. And that the Presbytery has a significant role in that. And so you kind
00:41:56 of, you don't have to, you don't have to lie. Yeah. You don't have to lie. And this has happened
00:42:01 to people where they're, they're actually ministers and then something happened and they're
00:42:04 out. And now getting back in to that denomination into a Presbytery is extremely difficult because
00:42:10 they they say we don't want that sort of person in um so i'm not saying lie i'm just saying uh
00:42:17 you have to you have to be the uh the kind of normie guy for a while yeah um but not just just
00:42:24 not just seminarian in the church but also um in the uh in all other fields vocations you want to
00:42:30 be a white collar guy you want to be get get in the corporate world now you want to do business
00:42:34 you're gonna have to probably a little while so be smart be wise if you want to go into politics
00:42:38 i've thought about this too late yeah i thought like yeah i thought like you know like it would
00:42:43 be cool to uh run for public office and i'm like wait a second i'm joel webin well i've i have like
00:42:49 a uh history internet history a mile long of all the things yeah you know what i mean like it's
00:42:55 possible but the overtime would have to shift a great deal yeah you know for joel webin to well
00:43:00 i've thought like locally i wanted to get on um development boards um school boards uh things
00:43:07 like that and even if these people were willing i'd hesitate because i'd be like well i don't
00:43:12 you know i don't want to harm the institution because of my name at this point right but i
00:43:16 wouldn't be considered even for voluntary boards at my local in my county that if i wanted to let
00:43:22 alone county commissioner or anything like that for that reason and that and that's that's the
00:43:27 sort of fate someone you and i have to deal with that we have to be the people with the microphones
00:43:32 or writing because somebody has someone else does have to do right but we don't need everyone else
00:43:38 not everyone has to do what we do um and that and that's good that means that the other people can
00:43:45 kind of kind of kind of lay low and get in get the credentials get the institutional competence
00:43:50 that's a big thing too is like you can't just show up to like i'm going to be in the school
00:43:55 board or i'm going to be in this you don't you don't you don't know anything like you have to
00:43:59 work up the ranks um even like even if you like suddenly go get on like a state legislature
00:44:05 there's a lot to learn like if you don't already have an involvement in politics that immediate
00:44:10 gap in knowledge even if you have all of your ideological political principles in a row
00:44:17 now you're in a whole new institution with its own rules its own dynamics its own culture
00:44:22 and you have to be able to navigate that so yeah so just learn your job learn your vocation learn
00:44:28 the institution and just wait for your time to come right you know that's super important because
00:44:33 i i i've had to tell uh young guys aspiring you know particularly to pastoral ministry um
00:44:39 because they're like well you're outspoken and you're a pastor and they think that that's like
00:44:45 the norm and what they don't realize is like i have to remind them and say like um but guys you
00:44:50 don't like one you you probably don't want to be me and and two um you have to recognize like that
00:44:58 even if you want to be me, um, your chances are slim. Like the, the path that I took is a very
00:45:04 unorthodox path. And what I don't mean like theologically, but, um, I didn't go to seminary.
00:45:11 Um, I'm not a part of any denomination. Uh, I, uh, never got a phone call from a church saying,
00:45:19 hey, we'd like for you to come. I had to plant a church twice now, starting from my living room,
00:45:25 with zero pay.
00:45:28 It's literally just the grace of God
00:45:30 and the fact that I happen to be gifted
00:45:31 in terms of communication
00:45:33 that I was able to speak in such a way
00:45:38 and use media to eventually draw people
00:45:42 to where I ended up being successful
00:45:43 and I was able to accumulate enough critical mass.
00:45:46 But the average guy,
00:45:48 there's a reason there are certain designated paths.
00:45:51 There are paths to be a doctor.
00:45:53 There are paths to be an engineer.
00:45:55 and they're a pastor to be a pastor.
00:45:57 And sure, there are maybe some exceptions.
00:46:01 Not so much, hopefully not with the doctor thing,
00:46:03 but with the pastor thing.
00:46:05 But there are exceptions.
00:46:08 The exceptions are the exceptions.
00:46:09 The norm is the norm.
00:46:10 You don't want to make the footnote the headline
00:46:12 and the headline the footnote.
00:46:14 And so most pastors go to seminary,
00:46:17 they get an MDiv,
00:46:18 they get a call from a preexisting church.
00:46:21 Most church plants fail.
00:46:23 They're not successful.
00:46:24 so you're actually getting a call somebody wants you in a pre-existing church so you have to be
00:46:29 accepted by a seminary finish a seminary um if you're not baptist and you have to be ordained
00:46:34 um then you have to get an external call from you know from and so for all those things to happen
00:46:40 um like and people say well okay so joel you did it you know but as a church planter and as a baptist
00:46:46 and independent uh but other guys have done it joel you're not the only guy you know like doug
00:46:50 Wilson did it. And he's a Presbyterian. Yeah. He created his own Presbyterian.
00:46:56 Doug Wilson is an exception also. You just have to write it. And I'm not even dogging that. That's,
00:47:00 you know, fine, whatever. But like, I'm just saying, these are extraordinary examples.
00:47:03 And to think like, well, Joel did it, or you might think of Ogden. It's like, well,
00:47:07 Ogden did it. Yeah. But, but Brian took over a Calvary Chapel church in extraordinary circumstances.
00:47:16 He was the music intern guy as a 17-year-old, I think, I believe, very young, and was part-time
00:47:26 staff as a pastoral slash music intern worship guy.
00:47:29 And then in his early 20s, there was no other leaders present in the church.
00:47:35 There was a sudden and tragic moral failure from the pastor.
00:47:40 brian was the only guy on the scene and and calvary chapel happens to be one of those
00:47:45 denominations where the individual church actually owns the building and gets to make the decisions
00:47:49 there's no diocese or anything above it in ecclesiastical formal sense and so brian was
00:47:55 he just happened to be the only guy available and and that's how he got his pastoral gig
00:47:59 if it wasn't for but that is that is not the norm and so my point is like every single one
00:48:03 of these guys that you look at it's like well he did it he did every single one of them is an
00:48:08 exception yeah but for every one of those there's a hundred other pastors that went the normal route
00:48:15 of seminary getting a call being examined being ordained and uh and if they were if they were out
00:48:21 as outspoken as brian or eric or me or you or um they wouldn't have a snowball's chance in hell
00:48:28 well i mean i'm i'm a i guess i would be a sort of exception as well is that i i'm older than most
00:48:34 you guys and i i became i'm not famous but like known in a certain circle when i was like 38 39
00:48:43 and before that i spent a you know a good deal in school um but yeah i was i was working i was in
00:48:49 the army and uh they think well wolf can somehow make an income somehow you survive no one actually
00:48:55 knows how i i make my money um but it's uh it's it's largely passive income from the times i was
00:49:02 working full-time yeah selling books yeah there's a lot of money in books yeah every time you buy a
00:49:07 book i get to feed my my kid half an ice cream um or a pack of ramen noodles yeah yeah or like a
00:49:12 not even a pack of gum anyway didn't you say it was like less than a dollar a book it's i mean
00:49:18 it depends on who who's if it's through amazon it depends on who's buying it and it's actually
00:49:22 more than that now as you know but anyway um anyway uh source but for me i can do what i do
00:49:28 because i have passive income from i own like four houses so that's now everyone knows so i own i own
00:49:35 houses and i have rental income from that and so i'm i'm that where i can do what i want i could
00:49:42 i could spend half my day outside building a deck or chopping wood and then the other part of the
00:49:46 day you know typing or whatever or doing these things um so i'm kind of like that unique situation
00:49:52 so yeah people shouldn't say well you know wolf can write these things and make money
00:49:55 so you have to really then yeah for the vast majority of people you have to um expect that
00:50:03 you're going to be 38 40 45 like you have to play the long game yes um just like just i don't know
00:50:10 if i played a long game but that's the fact i'm 41 yeah um you're 30 something 38 okay so yeah
00:50:16 in order to do these things you have to you have to do the work you play the long game intentionally
00:50:22 you were you were quiet i played the long game unintentionally yeah in the province of god 0.95
00:50:27 by simply being dumb and not coming into these views until later in life okay like you know 0.89
00:50:36 that's so so the guys that we're talking to are we're assuming guys who have come into these views 0.96
00:50:41 now yeah going to have to sit on them they're on the yeah right and that that's harder because
00:50:45 yeah i i didn't i didn't come into these views until i don't know several years ago so yeah so
00:50:50 if you're 22, it's hard, but just like that anonymously counts the best you got at this point.
00:50:56 And just play the game for a while. Don't be stupid. Don't lose your job. It's not compromise. 1.00
00:51:04 It's just basic wisdom. That's strategy. It's shrewd. It's innocent as doves, but as cunning
00:51:09 as serpents. We're called to be like that. And one of the reasons why the left always wins is,
00:51:15 for one, they don't have any category of compromise because they don't have any
00:51:19 virtues or you know um so there's no way to compromise you know if you're just evil um but
00:51:26 but conservatives uh obviously we have standards we have principles we have virtues like we we're
00:51:31 held accountable under god we're all going to have to stand before him one day so we're not saying
00:51:35 so you know lie cheat and steal uh we're not saying that but we are saying that there's there
00:51:39 is still a very clear line there's there's i would say even a pretty wide chasm between uh
00:51:46 deceit and dishonesty and sin versus strategy, shrewd, wise. And there is a way of having a
00:51:57 clear conscience before God and being a righteous, good man and being shrewd without being a coward.
00:52:04 That doesn't make you a coward. Wanting to feed your family does not make you a coward.
00:52:08 Right. And there's ways to have conversations with normie people where you just ask questions
00:52:17 and you say, I heard this, I read this, and when I think about that, and there's ways to have a
00:52:23 public presence that doesn't damage you long-term. And the same thing in a seminary class. You could
00:52:30 be like, you know, well, yeah, Calvin says this in his institutes about the civil magistrate.
00:52:35 doesn't this argument seem to work or don't you think your argument is this and that
00:52:38 and that doesn't you know that you're just being a good seminary student at that point
00:52:44 and dealing with arguments so there's there's so you don't have to come out and said well wolf said
00:52:48 this wolf is of course you know he's got a phd and don't say that please but um but yeah anyway
00:52:54 yeah there's there's smart ways to go about conversations both online you know facebook
00:53:00 Twitter without damaging your potential long-term. Just imagine that your potential,
00:53:06 like most people, and this is just true for even the corporate world, you hit the top in your 40s
00:53:11 or early 50s. And most of the time, you're just playing the game. And the same thing on the
00:53:16 political side as well. Just play the game until you get that opportunity.
00:53:19 Right. And that's a great place to land the plane. Because the one thing I wanted to add to that is
00:53:26 not only are we advocating for a virtuous, uncompromising position of waiting and playing
00:53:36 the game, but you said it briefly for just a moment. It's not just that this is wise to wait
00:53:42 so that you can have maximum leverage later, once you've arrived and you have institutional power,
00:53:47 you've accumulated wealth, and then you can be bolder and more pointed and outspoken.
00:53:52 And so it's not just that this is necessary now, awaiting now so that I can be loud and effective
00:54:00 with power later. It's not just that, but in passing, what you said briefly is it's actually,
00:54:04 it's a win-win. It's a double win because right now, even though you have to be tempered and you
00:54:12 as a young man may be frustrated by that because you'd like to be more outspoken, you have to be
00:54:16 tempered. Well, here's the thing. Your temperance now, not only is it patience that will set you
00:54:22 up better for later. But your temperance now is actually oftentimes going to be used in the
00:54:27 providence of God to win people, not just later, but now that mean you can't win. So you're listening
00:54:33 to Stephen Wolf and Joel and the normie hates us and won't give us the time of day. They're not
00:54:38 going to listen to us, but you're listening to us, but then intentionally for your own self-preservation
00:54:44 are refusing to say things exactly like us. So you're putting a normie filter on Wolf and Joel
00:54:52 and other guys. But you're in a crafty, careful way, disseminating information that you've heard
00:55:02 from us. And you're doing it for two reasons. One, to self-preserve because you can't oust
00:55:07 yourself so that you can be effective later. But also in being filtered now, you're able to reach
00:55:13 a whole market of people, the majority of people who you and I can't actually, they won't give us
00:55:19 the time of day but they're listening to you because you filtered it so you filtered it to
00:55:23 preserve yourself but it actually becomes a great benefit to them because now they're hearing
00:55:29 distilled versions of wolf and joel and these kinds of thinkers um and and and it's starting
00:55:34 the thought process for them and then turns out you know it may take six months it may take two
00:55:39 years but all of a sudden your normie buddy is uh you know six months later he's he's watching
00:55:45 the loan will work, you know? Right. You're preparing the ground that there's people who
00:55:49 are so deeply in like their political socialization that it, it, it takes time. Like there's, there's
00:55:55 different. Yeah. This, this is why I don't actually go after people who are more, I guess,
00:56:02 more to my left. It's like, there's a, there's a, there's a way to, there's a pipeline. Yeah.
00:56:08 There's a way to kind of cultivate ideas in someone who would be very, have a kind of a weak
00:56:14 self-awareness and weak will to deal with those that you can start kind of kindling that so that
00:56:20 they can um that so they can later on be receptive right yeah okay all right well thank you guys for
00:56:28 tuning in we hope that this uh series has been helpful for you especially this final episode
00:56:33 trying to be a little bit more practical and uh even pastoral we hope that it's a blessing to you
00:56:40 And we hope that, well, if you can, in keeping with everything we've said thus far, don't get
00:56:47 yourself in trouble. But in the instances where you can, we hope that you would share some of the
00:56:51 content with a friend. So thanks for stopping by. And we'll see you in future series that we do with
00:56:57 Right Response Ministries. And also to plug Wolf, of course, you can buy his book, The Case for
00:57:02 Christian Nationalism. But you also are starting some of your own media and podcasting. Where can
00:57:07 they go yeah so it's the the lone bull work on youtube i think it's the lone bull work with
00:57:12 steven wolf um so go on there subscribe to that that'd be great um also twitter you'll just search
00:57:17 steven wolf and i'll probably be the first guy there cool all right well thank you guys god bless