THE FRIDAY SPECIAL - Why Talmudic Judaism Is A Perversion Of The Old Testament - w Andrew Isker @contramundumpodcast
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In this episode of the Friday Special, we have a special guest, Pastor Andrew Isker, join us to talk about the differences between the Old and New Covenant and the difference between Jew and Gentile, and why they are not the same people.
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The other aspect of this argument is the anachronism of its application into the future.
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It makes sense that the Jews would envy their God going to the Gentiles.
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Seeing and hearing Gentiles throughout the Oikumene, the Greco-Roman world,
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read the Torah and the prophets, singing and eating in worship,
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which are activities only allowable at the temple, would enrage them to no end.
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In our modern context, and any context after AD 70, this does not have the same effect.
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The overwhelming majority of those called Jews today are secular and agnostic, and among those
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who are not, their religion is not the religion of the Old Testament, but of the traditions of
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the rabbis codified in the Talmud and the Mishnah. The Old Testament religion was of temple,
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sacrifice, and keeping the covenant. None of those things exist anymore.
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When we go to plant churches, we do not operate the same way Paul did in the transitional period
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between Old and New Covenant. We don't hang out at the synagogue and preach until they kick us out.
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The Old Covenant Jew and the Old Covenant Gentile were united in Christ, and after Christ came in
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judgment to end the Old Covenant, taking apart the world that both Jews and Gentiles were under,
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the distinction no longer holds. The world is now divided up between those in Christ
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and outside of Christ, those in his kingdom and those not yet. Whatever those called Jews today
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are, they are not old covenant Jews because such a people no longer exist. They are now an ethnic
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group like any other that will one day bow the knee to Jesus. They are not Israel, not in the
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true sense because Israel came to its spiritual and covenantal end in AD 70. To talk of a future
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conversion of Israel today is like talking about a future conversion of the Amalekites or Hittites.
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A people could exist who maybe even took their 23andMe and can claim some genetic descent
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to these ancient peoples and perhaps even began to adopt their ancient religious rites.
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but they neither are those people from the book of Genesis, nor are they Gentiles,
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because the category of Gentile no longer exists covenantally.
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you know what i love about this season of the friday special is number one it's your second
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time we this is still we're still in the first year of you doing this show yeah and uh you made
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two appearances i get to be here twice you get to be here twice so andrew isker is so nice we had
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to have him twice that's right so we have you twice um but you know some of some of the things
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we've done so far were controversial boniface option that was a little controversial mermaids
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that one people absolutely hate it i understand maybe it's a little wacky probably is um and then
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you know right now we've got a series as as we're recording this our third season is with cultish
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and there's some controversial things there we're talking about taylor swift and the divine feminine
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and those kinds of things um but this season i think is just it's just right because there's
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nothing controversial right the idea all about any of these yeah there's nothing controversial
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everybody agrees if you want you know if you want a conversation piece that you know is sure not to
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offend anybody something that that every christian can agree on it's the subject of israel that's
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right that's right all right so how do you want to start us off with with this episode well i i think
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even just going to um you know the what we read in in the beginning in the cold open is is extremely
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important to wrap our minds around what is occurring in the New Testament era, that you
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have, right? The majority of the Bible is Old Testament. It's the Old Covenant and the history
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of this particular people, Israel. And then you get to the New Testament and something new and
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different is happening. There's a major shift, a major change to a new people, right? The people
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of God in Christ, which are Jew and Gentile, that these distinctions between the old covenant
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and the new covenant are breaking down. The distinctions between this particular people
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set apart from the rest of the world to minister to the nations, that distinction is being broken
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down. Paul says in Ephesians, the wall of separation between Jew and Gentile has been
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torn down. And so what does that mean both in the first century, in Paul's time, in his context,
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and in ours? It means that these categories, these covenantal categories, it's almost like,
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I like to describe it as, it's like God has Tupperware, two kinds of Tupperware that he
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puts people in in the old covenant. You got the Jew, puts them in there, and they're separate out
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from the rest of the people of the whole world, the Gentile, right? These two buckets that he
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puts them in, when the new covenant, those are gone, right? You still have a distinction,
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but it's between in Christ and not in Christ. Two covenantal heads, Adam and Christ.
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Yeah. And so that is the distinction that's operative in the new covenant. The distinction
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And you still see it in the New Testament era, right?
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that 40 years, because there's still a temple standing.
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There's still aspects and remnants of the old covenant.
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and as the spirit of God is breaking into the world
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because I think it's maybe a future book, right?
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it is all about that old creation world, right?
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That old covenant world being deconstructed by God.
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You see these patterns of seven all over the place
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But the world, you see the days of creation going backwards in the old creation world.
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He's ripping out the drywall, then all of the studs, and then tearing out the foundation and building something new.
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And part of that, part of the features of the construction of the old covenant, the old creation, are these distinctions between Jew and Gentile.
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So in the new creation, in the new world that Christ has made after his resurrection, after his ascension, after Pentecost, and after his judgment on the old covenant.
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That new world is one in which those distinctions, they aren't there anymore.
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Those categories of human beings that were operative, were very real in the old covenant, are no longer here anymore.
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So I don't even like, you know, when people use the terminology, well, we're Gentiles or they're Jews.
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it's like, no, no, we're not. We're in Christ, right? We are in Jesus Christ, who is the seed
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of Abraham, right? We are the covenantal people, right? That same covenant all throughout the
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whole Bible, that belongs to us, right? That's our, we're grafted into the covenantal tree
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in Romans 11. And the people on the outside, they don't, there's not some category of,
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right? You are kind of sort of covenant people out here. It's like, no, there's no covenant
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promises to you apart from jesus christ right there are no these categories they're gone they're
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gone completely so if you think about it in those terms and then you read romans 11 right of what
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has occurred in the new covenant what has occurred in the destruction of the old covenant which paul
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or whoever wrote hebrews says in chapter eight is about to pass away right then right you read
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romans 11 you have to conclude especially look at the time markers there that we mentioned in the
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last episode now and in the present time, right?
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You have to reach this conclusion that whatever Paul is describing about this conversion of
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his people, the Jews, his countrymen, his kinsmen, you know, being a mass conversion
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happening and all of Israel being saved, well, then that means, right, that that had to have
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happened in that period, in that past period between when he wrote Romans and the end of
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It's not something that we're still waiting for.
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There's a partial, not a total, but a partial hardening.
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Many are stubborn and doubling down in unbelief.
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but God's justice always comes as a package deal
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And so God brings judgment on Jerusalem in the finality of this wrapping up of a garment,
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the final stroke of the axe at the root of the tree that finally sent timber.
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And that is a mercy because one of the things that it does is that if anybody hadn't listened
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to the warnings of Paul saying, stop hedging your bets, trust in Christ alone, well, now
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You don't get to make animal sacrifices anymore.
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And we believe that that Christ or nothing strategy
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And I mean, there's some historical evidence of this.
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If this prophecy of Christ, which is one of the things, the main things that the charge against him that made them want to kill him is I'm going to destroy the temple.
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Within this generation, within 40 years, this temple is going to be destroyed.
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I mean, we don't think about 70 AD nearly enough.
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You're talking millions of people, millions of dead bodies scattered around, millions more taken away into slavery, and the city burned.
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I mean, imagine what that would look like to one of our cities in America, the terror and the horror of an experience like that.
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Doesn't the scripture say it was worse than the world had ever seen and ever will again?
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Yeah. And certainly in a spiritual sense, because this is the center of God's world in the old covenant, right? Him destroying, him nuking it, right? Is the worst, right? If this is the center of the world, this is the city that God loves more than any other, and he destroys it, that is absolutely the worst.
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The prophet that Moses spoke about is vindicated, right?
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And here's this prophet who predicted it exactly to the day.
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Don't you feel like it's such a shame when evangelical Christians,
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one of the greatest fulfillments of Christ's prophecies
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We have all these prophecies of the Old Testament
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But then we have this glaring, profound prophecy from Christ
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not a stone of the temple being left on another
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and and we'll kind of you know we'll acknowledge that one oh yeah that happened but then but then
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in the same breath jesus doesn't just stop there he doesn't just prophesy and say that the temple
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will be literally deconstructed but he also says that i i will come on the clouds and judgment
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this local and uh and so we're like well the temple was destroyed and that was going to happen
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in one generation and so jesus nailed it on that prophecy but then you know even though this is all
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just in one speech that he's giving to these people in jerusalem uh we're going to say that
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you know all this other part of what jesus is saying that's going to be fulfilled yeah thousands
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of years from now you know and and we and we miss out yeah i wasn't there like a moment where
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was it christopher hitchens who had you know tried to have his gotcha moment with doug with
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doug yeah yeah yeah and he was like well uh jesus is a false prophet because he said within one
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generation that and you can see just doug smile doug just smiled and he's like i got you what
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you know what what are you gonna do now for that and doug says uh that happened yeah he did that
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he did that. Jesus didn't prophesy falsely. He did come. He came in judgment. He ended the old
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covenant. All these things are done. And then you and I would just go one step further than Doug
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and say, and another thing that he did was what Paul writes about in Romans 11. So it's not just
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the judgment of Matthew 24. He brought the remnant in. But it's also the revival of Romans 11.
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That that happened as well. And one of the signs that that happened is that the Christian church
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around the entire world has been experiencing the very life from the dead that Paul says
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in Romans 11. Christendom is the, to me, Christendom, 1500 years from Constantine all the
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way up until, I want to say now, but gosh, we suck these days. So let's say from Constantine
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up to the 20th century, right up until 1945, you know, but from, you know, from Constantine up
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until the last century, that incredible mustard seed growing into this tree, leaven working
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through the batch of dough, this Christendom permeating all the nations of the earth is the
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very life from the dead that Paul promised would happen. And it's because, it's not because there's
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this promise of a future spiritual revival among Israel according to the flesh or even according
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to the old covenant that's, you know, indicative of, you know, the offspring of Abraham and that
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it's in our future and one day it'll happen and then we'll experience this life from the dead
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among the Gentiles. No, we've been experiencing life from the dead revival around the world
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for centuries and centuries and centuries because it already happened. So this is what I want to
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talk about now, if you'll oblige, is the temple is destroyed. It's rebuilt, right? So Solomon's
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temple is destroyed. It's rebuilt. We see in Ezra and Nehemiah. Then that one gets destroyed in 8070.
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Has there ever, will there, a two-part question, will there ever be a third temple? And has there
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ever been an attempt at a third temple? Yeah. Well, is there a third temple? And this is a
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good question because I would say yes there is right there is a third temple right and that is
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right you see that in the book of Ephesians right Paul talks about the third temple right and what
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is it what has its cornerstone which is Jesus Christ and then its foundation of apostles and
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prophets yeah and then the living stones of the temple are the people of God so you know actually
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you and I were in the third temple yesterday, right?
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it's coming up as the old covenant's winding down.
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Has anybody ever tried to build a literal third temple while rejecting Christ?
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So after Constantine, you have all the Roman emperors after him were Christians except for one.
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One of them, I believe it was his nephew, actually, Julian.
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He tried to, he was an ex-evangelical, right?
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He tried to put up all the pagan statues and everything else.
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He said, all right, all of the Jews, I'm really going to spite the Christians because I hate these guys.
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And so they go back to Jerusalem and they gather all the materials and everything on the very first day of construction.
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And, like, you can, as of the recording, anyway, you can go on Wikipedia, right, just nasty atheist Reddit Wikipedia, and they still have an article about this, right?
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The ground, right, opens up and swallows them alive, and fireballs come from the heavens to consume them.
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And it's a bad idea to try to rebuild a temple.
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Like, if you care about not having World War III,
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because day one of construction isn't going to look so pretty.
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but there's people in the modern nation state of Israel,
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that they are the genetic descendants of Abraham,
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and that there's still this hangover promise for them in our future,
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like dispensationalists would hold a divine right to this land
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or at minimum, a lot of supersessionist covenant guys
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still hold to, there's at least spiritual promises
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a great revival that many will come to salvation
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and that that would be kind of like the catalyst,
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a kickstarter towards like a post-millennial golden age.
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Not all, but many of them held to that as well.
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But my point is, it doesn't seem like Richard the Lionheart or Duke Godfrey.
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And you also need to do, you know, our Reno with, you know, the return of the strong gods.
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If you don't know what the post-war consensus is and you don't realize that the Crusades were good, not perfect, but good, then you missed a whole year.
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But what I was going to say is these guys, when you think of the Crusades, what are they trying to do?
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Like they're trying to capture Jerusalem, but they're not trying to, these are not the
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Christians spending their wealth or their lives, the lives of their people, to capture
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Bring them back to the land, build the temple so we can have Jesus come back.
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No, they're saying it cannot be the center of Islam.
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Now, some of their views, I mean, they maybe had a superstitious or mystical view of Jerusalem that it's holier than anywhere else, right?
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So, when we sing the Psalms and it's all these Psalms about Mount Zion and Jerusalem and these blessings to Israel, right?
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It's not replacement theology to say, well, where is Israel?
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It's when God's people gather together to worship,
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there he is and there is Mount Zion right there.
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So they have this medieval view of the Holy Land,
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as tell it to the church, as church discipline.
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of the indwelling ministry of the Holy Spirit for believers.
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even if you're an individual Christian in isolation,
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to be especially, or we might say uniquely present
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for church and he's present for the purpose of authority.
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Yeah, present in the same way that God was present
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in the Holy of Holies in the tabernacle and the temple, right?
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His glory cloud comes down and smoke fills the temple
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You couldn't get too close or you'd get burned up.
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This is what we, you know, in liturgy in my church,
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When you're saying, right, with angels and archangels
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when God's people, they gather together in worship, right?
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You're in the Holy of Holies, worshiping Christ.
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on the Lord's day for the word to be rightly preached,
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even if it swarms with many faults, John Calvin,
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whether it be in Asia or whether it be in Russia
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that is in the truest, ultimate, highest sense.
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That in the truest, highest, eternal sense is Jerusalem.
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And Christ is right there as the cornerstone in our midst.
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Yeah, and we also want to, we realize that in the eternal spiritual sense, the church, wherever she is, is Jerusalem.
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And also, that piece of land also belongs to Christ.
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And in a symbolic sense, in a historical sense, as a monument to God's glory and His faithfulness and His kind.
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if the Crusaders, the Christian Crusaders had won,
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But Zionism and dispensationalism are a hell of a drug.
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Ask of me and I'll give you the nations as my inheritance.
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He ascends to the right hand of the Father and that's it.
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All authority in heaven and earth are given to him.
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But then, right, the dispensationalists will say, except one little stretch of land,
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there are these everlasting promises to a particular ethnic group that they get to have that.
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jesus gets to have everything else right right no no that land belongs to jesus right he is the
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seed of abraham right these the true seed of abraham the faithful one right that kept and
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maintained the promises right by faith right right not by the law and that stretch of land
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that real estate that's his right that belongs to him and to his people right to his co-heirs
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To Abraham was promised a particular land, but to his seed, and Paul says this explicitly in the New Testament, not seeds, plural, but seeds, singular.
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So the seed is not Israel as a nation, but Christ as one particular descendant.
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There aren't multiple covenants happening at the same time.
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So to Abraham is promised a particular land, but to his seed, that is Christ, is promised all the land.
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all the land. But then furthermore, we as the New Testament church, as Christians,
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have a union by the Spirit, through faith, with Christ, branches attached to the vine,
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from whom is the source of all nourishment and spiritual blessings and tangible blessings.
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And we have been named as co-heirs with Christ. So anything that is promised by God
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principles of just war theory and all these things.
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I don't believe that America has a divine right
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or any peoples on the earth has a divine right.
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That land was taken or settled from some other people.
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who's sovereign and providential over all things.
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Do I think that modern Jews should have been placed
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smack dab in the middle of a bunch of Muslims?
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and say that that was one of the biggest mistakes
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because it wouldn't have been achieved without us.
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And we wouldn't have done it without dispensationalism.
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whoa, that was one of the biggest theological psyops
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theology, what you believe, has political consequences.
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And eventually, I think we'll look back and say,
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However, the point is that within God's providence,
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not just good decisions, but also poor decisions.
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Regardless of whether or not it was a right decision,
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as a fulfillment of prophecy in the Old Testament.
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Yeah, it's a, it's, you're, this is a descript, you're describing God's will.
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So this is not a prescriptive prophecy, Old Testament prophecy, that Israel must exist
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and it must have this land and it must rebuild this third temple and it must, no, none of
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this is a fulfillment to eschatological prophecy.
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Israel, the modern state of Israel, still has a right, a temporal, or I should maybe even say
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a current or present right to that land in the same way that Americans do. It's not a divine
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prophecy that, oh, this is our land and it will be for all of time until the end of the age.
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No, no, no. We can be kicked out of the land. We can be conquered by a nation.
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We can lose a war. But currently, Americans have this land that all things that happen
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happened to the providence of God. And so in that sense, God did ordain it. And we have a right to
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self-defense. And I would say the same for Israel. They have a right to self-defense. It is currently
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their land, but they do not have a eternal, indefinite divine right. And one day, Israel,
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the modern, I'm speaking of the modern state of Israel, will lose the land. It will belong to
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Christians and it may belong to those particular people. Or their descendants. Or their descendants.
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Christians. Who will become Christians and convert to Christ because the knowledge of the glory of
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God will cover the whole earth as the waters cover the sea. Yeah, amen. I think, I mean, along those
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lines, an interesting point, I mean, just in dealing with some of the objections to this view
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of Romans 11 is, you know, especially like the Puritan view or the, you know, majority report
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reformed view on Romans 11 is, well, this particular people, ethnic Israel, people who
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practice Judaism and so forth, they have to perpetually exist as a distinct people, a distinct
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ethno-religious group forever in order for this promise to be fulfilled. But I mean, if you look
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at demographic trends in post-war, post-war consensus, secularist world, that has hit Jews
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very hard, especially the secular Jews, but even religious ones as well. It's like a well-known
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joke now. What's the difference between Donald Trump and a Jewish rabbi?
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i don't know tell me uh trump has jewish grandchildren right i mean and so like it's
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a re it's a real thing right right i mean if there's jewish people watching this you know
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maybe hate watching this they that's a concern that they have is they do not have grandchildren
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their kids or if they do have grandchildren their children are marrying you know non-jews and
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they're not maintaining traditions and they're just assimilating into other people doesn't
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value posterity just living for yolo you only live once your own generation and if all religions
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And so much of secularism, correct me if I'm wrong
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but so much of secularism has come out of modern Jews.
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Yeah, I don't think, I mean, people can notice, right,
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and cultural figures that have pushed secularism
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Yeah, I don't think that's controversial to say,
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And part of the reason we're doing this is, one,
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for younger guys to be able to articulate their view.
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They wouldn't just be unhinged and be just, I hate Israel.
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No, we want to say, no, there are theological reasons
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for recognizing that there's just those in Christ
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There's not this third category of Christian adjacent.
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at least in one of these episodes in the series,
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Because you can't really get much more depraved than that.
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So all unbelievers, whether they be Muslims or agnostics or atheists or Jews,
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all unbelievers are totally depraved at the level of the heart.
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But in terms of political and economic and cultural actions, outward behaviors,
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I do think that not all, but some Jews are uniquely pernicious.
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Like motivated by a hatred or antipathy to Christianity.
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Because Islam says that Jesus is not the son of God,
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but goes further in an outright hostility.
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It says that he's burning in, boiling feces and hell.
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So not only are Jews, Judaism is what, because Jews can come to Christ.
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Not only is Judaism not Christian adjacent, but it is arguably the most Christian hostile in terms of major world religions.
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I think it's important to look at it this way.
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and yeah and i don't want to sound like oh well these are the worst people ever at all all this
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kind of stuff but i think in terms like theologically like looking at it from a theological
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perspective right just think about um because you see this all the time like oh there are older
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brothers in the faith or they're really close to christ because they have the torah they have the
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old testament they just need the new testament right that argument is brought out all the time
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you know ad infinitum and but think about it this way right if um if i were going to go you know
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If I'm going to make a counterfeit $100 bill
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to pay for my stakes that I get over there, right?
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If I have my four-year-old make a counterfeit $100 bill
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That's probably not a huge threat to the H-E-B.
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I'm not going to be able to steal $100 worth of stake
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But if I go and I get like a 4 or an 8K digital scanner and I get it really, really, really close where it's indistinguishable from a real $100 bill, and I even put a little ribbon in the middle that they got now, and I bring that in there, right, hand it to the cashier, I could walk away and steal $100 worth of stake, right?
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The closer in proximity it is to the real thing,
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the more of a threat that it is to the genuine article.
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And so Buddhism, very far from Christianity.
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You know, more of a threat to Christianity
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It's this reversion to the old covenant world, right?
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It's hard to pin down the doctrine where it's like,
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but the more recent passages will override the earlier passages.
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Yeah, and so I don't want to be like histrionic or outlandish or anything like that
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We want to be persuasive, and the way to be persuasive is to not exaggerate.
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Some of the guys, and some of these guys are, I think, they have a right sense,
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but they're not, even if they're right, they're not, I tell my friends all the time,
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So even if in general you have the right position,
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you recognize, man, Judaism actually is pernicious.
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But if you are unhinged and too hyperbolic and exaggeratory,
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what happens is that you don't win people over.
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You actually just reinforce them to dig their heels more.
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And your boomer parents just become even more dispensational.
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dispensational. They're like, I'm going to write two checks this month. Yeah, that's right.
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Because my son's an anti-Semite, I'm writing two checks. And you don't, yeah, you don't want to
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come across that way or be perceived that way. It's like, well, no, it's just, it's having an
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accurate picture of where things really are, right? Because this idea of Judeo-Christian,
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right, that we're pretty much the same thing, that's fine. There are older brothers in the
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faith, like the Judeo is just the Old Testament, the Ten Commandments and everything, and then you
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get the New Testament, that's Christian. And it's like, no, the whole Bible is Christ. The whole
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Bible is the church. They don't get to claim it, actually, because they rejected Jesus. Well,
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the Old Testament is his, right? It's all Christian. And so, right, it is a religion that
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is opposed to Christianity. There can be no partnership in theological terms, maybe in
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political and different things like you can have right if you have jewish neighbors in your
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neighborhood and you want to you know get uh you know you want to oppose transgenderism and they're
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very religious jews and things like that you can work with them you can do things like that but
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but on the on the religious sense you don't say we're going to have an interfaith uh prayer time
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well we're not praying to the the same god right i i like him he's a good neighbor he's a great guy
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but we don't we don't worship the same the same god right they don't worship the triune god right
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And so this is – there's an oppositional relationship that is there and what dispensationalism does, what Christian Zionism does, what all of this does is just papers over it and pretends that the oppositional nature is not there whatsoever between the two very separate and distinct religions, right?
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And so it's like you disarm yourself, but the other group, I don't think, thinks about it that way.
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They don't think, oh, yeah, the Christians, they're our young.
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When have you heard a, like, Ben Shapiro or someone say, yeah, you're my younger brother in the faith?
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And so they understand, no, we are a different religion.
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You saw this a few months ago with Andrew Klavan, who I believe was a Jewish man, but converted to Christianity, works the Daily Wire.
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I personally, I did a whole video on it, but God alone sees the heart.
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From his own profession, I would reject that he's a Christian.
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Yeah, because he doesn't want his boss, Ben Shapiro, who is a Jew, to come to Christ.
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It's not just that he doesn't want him to convert.
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He's convinced that God doesn't want Ben Shapiro to convert
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And because God is using him in all these ways.
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And Judeo-Christian is, I think, a species of universalism.
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By God's grace, I really do think this is the last generation.
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And I think by God's grace, I think it'll be a thing of history.
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Yeah, my concern with it too is, right, it can go one of two ways.
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I think that trend, you're absolutely right, is true and correct.
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And the more resistant Christians are, Big Eva Christians especially, but even in the
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Reformed world, the more resistant we are to having these conversations and talking
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about these things, the worse it is going to be when these things are ultimately rejected.
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Because you won't have guys like us who are having this conversation in a very sane and
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If you just stand like Gandalf on the middle of the bridge, you shall not pass.
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You shall not pass from feminism to patriarchy, but complementarianism.
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That's been evangelicals for the past 20 to 40 years.
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You shall not pass to cessationism, nor shall you stay with charismatic, but it will be open but cautious.
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you know and like every little thing has been a if you do a third way move on this one yeah um
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the evidence is so overwhelming yeah you can't make people not notice and we're going to get
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into this because we do need to talk about how no it's not every Jew no of course not but we do
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need to talk about um the percentages of of uh of people who own porn companies yeah the percentage
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like we we do need to talk about some of these things and here's the deal it's not going away
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And then what happens is that if you just stand like Gandalf and try to keep the Belrog from going to the other side of the chasm,
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what's going to happen in this scenario is that all these young men are going to get to the other side.
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But in this case, what it will mean is that there will be no mature leaders.
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There will be no mature leaders that will lead them and restrain them and teach them to operate in a faithful, Christ-like way.
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It'll be leaders who have gone down the rabbit hole with the T being silent.
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You know, it'll be leaders who have gone down the rabbi hole.
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But it'll be leaders who, like, they've done their 1,000 hours of research on YouTube.
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They won't know historic Protestant theology and what we believe.
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And this is, I mean, I spoke at a conference recently on this topic that Protestant Christianity,
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and in particular, American Protestantism, and this is something that Stephen said when we were in Ogden,
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you are able to tolerate other groups and protect them right and that historically is what we did
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have power it doesn't set the stage for christians to then persecute no uh what it does is it
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actually secures the stage so that if christians have power then we can afford to have people who
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disagree with us here and we can give them equal rights and privileges under the law but not equal
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elected office or political power or anything else you don't get to be in charge right you don't
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Any society, right, the stronger you are, the more tolerant you will be of other groups.
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It's one that is in danger of being subverted that then lashes out against minority groups.
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And so the best thing, right, if we want to flip the paradigm around, the best thing for American Jews would be, right, and maybe Yoram Hazoni will listen to this, although he's Israeli, I think.
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But America, for them, the best thing that could possibly be would be for America to return to its Protestant Christian roots and being an exclusively Christian country.
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Holding to that firmly, strongly, where the Christian religion does not allow itself to be subverted from the outside or from the inside.
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Yeah. Yeah. And if we, if, when we do, when the Christian church, when historic Protestant Christianity from America, what America was founded with returns, right, then you have the strength to be able to have a society like that.
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You have to have strength in order to have tolerance.
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When you're weak and threatened and on the verge of being killed, tolerance is a luxury for strength.
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You can't afford tolerance to your enemies if they're about to kill you.
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It is people who want secularism to be at the very top.
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what are they threatened by right who do they want to persecute who do they want to like us
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and our churches and christians who are politically assertive and culturally assertive that is who's
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public enemy number one so the principle of right a strong healthy society if you this if secularist
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society could be strong it wouldn't be threatened by christianity but it very much so is um and and
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so that's why i think that that's a huge white pill is that we we threaten them you're not
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threatened by something that you're not afraid of. That's right. All right. Thanks for tuning in.