The NXR Podcast - THE FRIDAY SPECIAL - Why Talmudic Judaism Is A Perversion Of The Old Testament - w Andrew Isker @contramundumpodcast

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00:00:26.780 The other aspect of this argument is the anachronism of its application into the future. 0.91

00:00:32.060 It makes sense that the Jews would envy their God going to the Gentiles. 0.92

00:00:36.600 Seeing and hearing Gentiles throughout the Oikumene, the Greco-Roman world, 0.99

00:00:40.800 read the Torah and the prophets, singing and eating in worship, 1.00

00:00:45.420 which are activities only allowable at the temple, would enrage them to no end.

00:00:49.980 In our modern context, and any context after AD 70, this does not have the same effect.

00:00:55.240 The overwhelming majority of those called Jews today are secular and agnostic, and among those

00:01:00.600 who are not, their religion is not the religion of the Old Testament, but of the traditions of

00:01:06.000 the rabbis codified in the Talmud and the Mishnah. The Old Testament religion was of temple,

00:01:11.160 sacrifice, and keeping the covenant. None of those things exist anymore.

00:01:16.480 When we go to plant churches, we do not operate the same way Paul did in the transitional period

00:01:22.960 between Old and New Covenant. We don't hang out at the synagogue and preach until they kick us out.

00:01:29.620 The Old Covenant Jew and the Old Covenant Gentile were united in Christ, and after Christ came in 0.96

00:01:36.800 judgment to end the Old Covenant, taking apart the world that both Jews and Gentiles were under, 0.68

00:01:43.560 the distinction no longer holds. The world is now divided up between those in Christ 0.63

00:01:50.440 and outside of Christ, those in his kingdom and those not yet. Whatever those called Jews today 0.93

00:01:59.020 are, they are not old covenant Jews because such a people no longer exist. They are now an ethnic

00:02:06.660 group like any other that will one day bow the knee to Jesus. They are not Israel, not in the 1.00

00:02:15.360 true sense because Israel came to its spiritual and covenantal end in AD 70. To talk of a future 0.89

00:02:23.540 conversion of Israel today is like talking about a future conversion of the Amalekites or Hittites. 0.78

00:02:29.960 A people could exist who maybe even took their 23andMe and can claim some genetic descent

00:02:35.560 to these ancient peoples and perhaps even began to adopt their ancient religious rites.

00:02:41.360 but they neither are those people from the book of Genesis, nor are they Gentiles,

00:02:48.300 because the category of Gentile no longer exists covenantally.

00:03:11.360 you know what i love about this season of the friday special is number one it's your second

00:03:20.040 time we this is still we're still in the first year of you doing this show yeah and uh you made

00:03:25.000 two appearances i get to be here twice you get to be here twice so andrew isker is so nice we had

00:03:29.840 to have him twice that's right so we have you twice um but you know some of some of the things

00:03:35.020 we've done so far were controversial boniface option that was a little controversial mermaids

00:03:40.880 that one people absolutely hate it i understand maybe it's a little wacky probably is um and then

00:03:47.720 you know right now we've got a series as as we're recording this our third season is with cultish

00:03:52.660 and there's some controversial things there we're talking about taylor swift and the divine feminine

00:03:57.380 and those kinds of things um but this season i think is just it's just right because there's

00:04:04.300 nothing controversial right the idea all about any of these yeah there's nothing controversial

00:04:08.960 everybody agrees if you want you know if you want a conversation piece that you know is sure not to

00:04:14.740 offend anybody something that that every christian can agree on it's the subject of israel that's

00:04:21.300 right that's right all right so how do you want to start us off with with this episode well i i think

00:04:25.940 even just going to um you know the what we read in in the beginning in the cold open is is extremely

00:04:34.420 important to wrap our minds around what is occurring in the New Testament era, that you

00:04:41.880 have, right? The majority of the Bible is Old Testament. It's the Old Covenant and the history

00:04:48.340 of this particular people, Israel. And then you get to the New Testament and something new and

00:04:53.000 different is happening. There's a major shift, a major change to a new people, right? The people

00:05:00.080 of God in Christ, which are Jew and Gentile, that these distinctions between the old covenant 0.88

00:05:07.500 and the new covenant are breaking down. The distinctions between this particular people 0.74

00:05:11.420 set apart from the rest of the world to minister to the nations, that distinction is being broken

00:05:19.020 down. Paul says in Ephesians, the wall of separation between Jew and Gentile has been

00:05:23.980 torn down. And so what does that mean both in the first century, in Paul's time, in his context,

00:05:31.700 and in ours? It means that these categories, these covenantal categories, it's almost like,

00:05:37.380 I like to describe it as, it's like God has Tupperware, two kinds of Tupperware that he

00:05:43.580 puts people in in the old covenant. You got the Jew, puts them in there, and they're separate out 1.00

00:05:49.060 from the rest of the people of the whole world, the Gentile, right? These two buckets that he 1.00

00:05:54.680 puts them in, when the new covenant, those are gone, right? You still have a distinction,

00:06:02.320 but it's between in Christ and not in Christ. Two covenantal heads, Adam and Christ.

00:06:10.200 Yeah. And so that is the distinction that's operative in the new covenant. The distinction

00:06:15.960 between Jew and Gentile no longer is. 0.72

00:06:18.480 And you still see it in the New Testament era, right? 0.93

00:06:21.860 As the New Testament is being written,

00:06:23.480 the time between Pentecost and I think 70 AD,

00:06:26.820 that 40 years, because there's still a temple standing.

00:06:30.200 There's still aspects and remnants of the old covenant.

00:06:32.720 They're still in operation as the gospel

00:06:35.200 and as the spirit of God is breaking into the world

00:06:37.960 and decreating it, tearing it apart.

00:06:42.120 One of the things I didn't do in this book,

00:06:44.660 because I think it's maybe a future book, right?

00:06:47.080 It deserves a book of all on its own

00:06:49.420 is get into the book of Revelation, right?

00:06:52.800 But that book, you read it and you see it,

00:06:56.040 especially from this perspective,

00:06:57.620 it is all about that old creation world, right?

00:07:02.020 That old covenant world being deconstructed by God.

00:07:05.840 You see these patterns of seven all over the place

00:07:08.660 and particularly in judgments,

00:07:10.160 not just the seven bulls and seven trumpets

00:07:12.420 and seven of everything.

00:07:14.140 But the world, you see the days of creation going backwards in the old creation world.

00:07:20.000 He is tearing it down.

00:07:21.060 He's demolishing it piece by piece.

00:07:22.860 He's ripping out the drywall, then all of the studs, and then tearing out the foundation and building something new. 0.96

00:07:29.040 And part of that, part of the features of the construction of the old covenant, the old creation, are these distinctions between Jew and Gentile. 0.85

00:07:38.520 So in the new creation, in the new world that Christ has made after his resurrection, after his ascension, after Pentecost, and after his judgment on the old covenant. 0.76

00:07:48.000 80-70.

00:07:49.060 That new world is one in which those distinctions, they aren't there anymore.

00:07:56.160 Those categories of human beings that were operative, were very real in the old covenant, are no longer here anymore.

00:08:02.940 So I don't even like, you know, when people use the terminology, well, we're Gentiles or they're Jews.

00:08:07.920 it's like, no, no, we're not. We're in Christ, right? We are in Jesus Christ, who is the seed

00:08:13.300 of Abraham, right? We are the covenantal people, right? That same covenant all throughout the

00:08:19.280 whole Bible, that belongs to us, right? That's our, we're grafted into the covenantal tree

00:08:24.520 in Romans 11. And the people on the outside, they don't, there's not some category of,

00:08:31.400 right? You are kind of sort of covenant people out here. It's like, no, there's no covenant

00:08:36.680 promises to you apart from jesus christ right there are no these categories they're gone they're

00:08:42.580 gone completely so if you think about it in those terms and then you read romans 11 right of what

00:08:47.760 has occurred in the new covenant what has occurred in the destruction of the old covenant which paul

00:08:52.800 or whoever wrote hebrews says in chapter eight is about to pass away right then right you read

00:09:00.600 romans 11 you have to conclude especially look at the time markers there that we mentioned in the

00:09:05.080 last episode now and in the present time, right?

00:09:07.980 You have to reach this conclusion that whatever Paul is describing about this conversion of

00:09:12.100 his people, the Jews, his countrymen, his kinsmen, you know, being a mass conversion

00:09:17.120 happening and all of Israel being saved, well, then that means, right, that that had to have

00:09:24.540 happened in that period, in that past period between when he wrote Romans and the end of

00:09:29.760 the Old Covenant.

00:09:31.100 Right.

00:09:31.340 It's not something that we're still waiting for.

00:09:33.220 Right.

00:09:33.420 And so that's all wrapping up.

00:09:36.500 Jews are getting saved.

00:09:37.840 There's a partial, not a total, but a partial hardening.

00:09:40.220 So some Jews are still getting saved.

00:09:41.760 Many are stubborn and doubling down in unbelief.

00:09:45.520 And then it really is a mercy of God.

00:09:47.920 God's justice, it's funny,

00:09:49.940 but God's justice always comes as a package deal

00:09:52.540 along with his mercy.

00:09:54.100 It's a judgment for the wicked,

00:09:56.080 but in the judgment of the wicked

00:09:57.460 always comes a mercy for the righteous

00:10:00.580 and a kindness towards the righteous.

00:10:03.420 And so God brings judgment on Jerusalem in the finality of this wrapping up of a garment,

00:10:08.940 the final stroke of the axe at the root of the tree that finally sent timber.

00:10:16.460 Yes, and now it's coming down.

00:10:17.460 And now it comes down.

00:10:18.320 And that is a mercy because one of the things that it does is that if anybody hadn't listened

00:10:25.220 to the warnings of Paul saying, stop hedging your bets, trust in Christ alone, well, now

00:10:29.440 they have no choice.

00:10:31.120 You don't get to make animal sacrifices anymore.

00:10:33.420 You don't have the temple anymore.

00:10:34.700 There is only Christ or nothing.

00:10:36.620 There's Christ or nothing.

00:10:38.180 And we believe that that Christ or nothing strategy

00:10:42.160 on God's part in his judgment 0.99

00:10:44.400 actually wrought a great many of Jews

00:10:49.980 turning in repentance and faith to Jesus.

00:10:54.600 And I mean, there's some historical evidence of this.

00:10:57.740 And I mean, just thinking through this, right?

00:10:59.580 If this prophecy of Christ, which is one of the things, the main things that the charge against him that made them want to kill him is I'm going to destroy the temple. 0.68

00:11:11.800 I'm going to destroy the temple.

00:11:13.360 Within this generation, within 40 years, this temple is going to be destroyed.

00:11:19.300 And then it actually happens.

00:11:21.820 And they experience that judgment.

00:11:23.380 I mean, we don't think about 70 AD nearly enough.

00:11:29.580 You're talking millions of people, millions of dead bodies scattered around, millions more taken away into slavery, and the city burned.

00:11:41.200 I mean, imagine what that would look like to one of our cities in America, the terror and the horror of an experience like that.

00:11:48.780 And here, this Jesus—

00:11:50.180 Doesn't the scripture say it was worse than the world had ever seen and ever will again?

00:11:54.460 Yeah. And certainly in a spiritual sense, because this is the center of God's world in the old covenant, right? Him destroying, him nuking it, right? Is the worst, right? If this is the center of the world, this is the city that God loves more than any other, and he destroys it, that is absolutely the worst.

00:12:12.740 And so they experienced this judgment.

00:12:16.080 And what happens?

00:12:17.260 Jesus, the prophet, right? 0.97

00:12:19.000 The prophet that Moses spoke about is vindicated, right? 0.93

00:12:22.680 His words are confirmed, right? 0.87

00:12:24.740 You have that happen to you.

00:12:26.020 And here's this prophet who predicted it exactly to the day.

00:12:30.740 And what are you going to do?

00:12:31.720 You're going to believe what he said.

00:12:32.940 You're like, oh, he was God.

00:12:34.300 I should believe in him.

00:12:35.440 It's such a shame. 1.00

00:12:36.380 Don't you feel like it's such a shame when evangelical Christians, 0.99

00:12:40.100 that we forfeit, we concede

00:12:44.880 one of the greatest fulfillments of Christ's prophecies

00:12:48.600 that we have in scripture.

00:12:50.420 We have all these prophecies of the Old Testament

00:12:52.540 that are fulfilled in Christ.

00:12:54.080 But then we have this glaring, profound prophecy from Christ

00:12:58.040 that is fulfilled precisely as he said,

00:13:01.500 with this generation will not pass away.

00:13:03.840 So within one generation,

00:13:05.600 not a stone of the temple being left on another

00:13:08.140 and and we'll kind of you know we'll acknowledge that one oh yeah that happened but then but then

00:13:13.660 in the same breath jesus doesn't just stop there he doesn't just prophesy and say that the temple

00:13:18.400 will be literally deconstructed but he also says that i i will come on the clouds and judgment

00:13:24.160 this local and uh and so we're like well the temple was destroyed and that was going to happen

00:13:28.600 in one generation and so jesus nailed it on that prophecy but then you know even though this is all

00:13:33.400 just in one speech that he's giving to these people in jerusalem uh we're going to say that

00:13:37.240 you know all this other part of what jesus is saying that's going to be fulfilled yeah thousands

00:13:41.920 of years from now you know and and we and we miss out yeah i wasn't there like a moment where

00:13:46.540 was it christopher hitchens who had you know tried to have his gotcha moment with doug with

00:13:51.300 doug yeah yeah yeah and he was like well uh jesus is a false prophet because he said within one

00:13:56.520 generation that and you can see just doug smile doug just smiled and he's like i got you what

00:14:01.740 you know what what are you gonna do now for that and doug says uh that happened yeah he did that

00:14:06.560 he did that. Jesus didn't prophesy falsely. He did come. He came in judgment. He ended the old

00:14:13.960 covenant. All these things are done. And then you and I would just go one step further than Doug

00:14:18.360 and say, and another thing that he did was what Paul writes about in Romans 11. So it's not just

00:14:23.320 the judgment of Matthew 24. He brought the remnant in. But it's also the revival of Romans 11.

00:14:29.140 That that happened as well. And one of the signs that that happened is that the Christian church

00:14:35.660 around the entire world has been experiencing the very life from the dead that Paul says

00:14:40.460 in Romans 11. Christendom is the, to me, Christendom, 1500 years from Constantine all the

00:14:48.620 way up until, I want to say now, but gosh, we suck these days. So let's say from Constantine 0.92

00:14:54.980 up to the 20th century, right up until 1945, you know, but from, you know, from Constantine up

00:15:01.900 until the last century, that incredible mustard seed growing into this tree, leaven working

00:15:11.320 through the batch of dough, this Christendom permeating all the nations of the earth is the

00:15:15.560 very life from the dead that Paul promised would happen. And it's because, it's not because there's

00:15:22.920 this promise of a future spiritual revival among Israel according to the flesh or even according

00:15:29.420 to the old covenant that's, you know, indicative of, you know, the offspring of Abraham and that

00:15:33.920 it's in our future and one day it'll happen and then we'll experience this life from the dead 0.99

00:15:37.740 among the Gentiles. No, we've been experiencing life from the dead revival around the world 1.00

00:15:42.880 for centuries and centuries and centuries because it already happened. So this is what I want to

00:15:48.340 talk about now, if you'll oblige, is the temple is destroyed. It's rebuilt, right? So Solomon's

00:15:56.060 temple is destroyed. It's rebuilt. We see in Ezra and Nehemiah. Then that one gets destroyed in 8070.

00:16:04.560 Has there ever, will there, a two-part question, will there ever be a third temple? And has there

00:16:10.060 ever been an attempt at a third temple? Yeah. Well, is there a third temple? And this is a

00:16:18.280 good question because I would say yes there is right there is a third temple right and that is

00:16:26.460 right you see that in the book of Ephesians right Paul talks about the third temple right and what

00:16:31.560 is it what has its cornerstone which is Jesus Christ and then its foundation of apostles and

00:16:36.860 prophets yeah and then the living stones of the temple are the people of God so you know actually

00:16:44.240 and we're recording this on a Monday,

00:16:45.680 you and I were in the third temple yesterday, right?

00:16:49.500 In church, right?

00:16:50.560 We were there and if, you know,

00:16:52.660 we go there every Sunday to the third temple.

00:16:55.280 So the third temple has been constructed.

00:16:57.360 It's currently continually being constructed.

00:16:59.800 The third temple has been under construction.

00:17:02.760 For 2000 years.

00:17:03.760 Yeah.

00:17:04.780 19 and a half centuries.

00:17:06.420 Yeah.

00:17:06.600 And really before, you know,

00:17:07.720 it's coming up as the old covenant's winding down.

00:17:10.680 The third temple is the church.

00:17:12.600 Yeah.

00:17:12.800 Has anybody ever tried to build a literal third temple while rejecting Christ?

00:17:17.500 Yeah, they did.

00:17:18.400 And how did that work out? 0.61

00:17:19.480 So after Constantine, you have all the Roman emperors after him were Christians except for one. 0.77

00:17:26.380 One of them, I believe it was his nephew, actually, Julian.

00:17:31.200 He apostatized, right?

00:17:32.680 He's known in history as Julian the Apostate.

00:17:35.140 So he hated Christianity. 0.70

00:17:36.480 He hated the Christian religion. 0.97

00:17:37.540 He tried to, he was an ex-evangelical, right? 0.97

00:17:41.020 He tried to deconvert. 0.94

00:17:42.000 He was very bitter and nasty and angry. 0.66

00:17:43.640 He tried to put up all the pagan statues and everything else.

00:17:45.800 He's just Russell Moore.

00:17:46.540 That's right.

00:17:47.220 That's right.

00:17:47.800 Got it.

00:17:48.060 And what did he do? 0.99

00:17:49.660 He said, all right, all of the Jews, I'm really going to spite the Christians because I hate these guys. 0.99

00:17:57.360 And here's a billion dollars. 0.99

00:17:59.420 Go rebuild a temple in Jerusalem. 1.00

00:18:01.800 We'll resettle you in this land. 1.00

00:18:04.200 And so they go back to Jerusalem and they gather all the materials and everything on the very first day of construction. 0.87

00:18:11.280 And, like, you can, as of the recording, anyway, you can go on Wikipedia, right, just nasty atheist Reddit Wikipedia, and they still have an article about this, right?

00:18:22.700 Very first day of construction, what happens?

00:18:26.420 The ground, right, opens up and swallows them alive, and fireballs come from the heavens to consume them.

00:18:34.620 Wow.

00:18:35.300 And it's a bad idea to try to rebuild a temple.

00:18:39.720 God does not want.

00:18:40.880 Right.

00:18:41.200 We already got a temple.

00:18:42.560 Yeah.

00:18:43.440 It's God's people.

00:18:44.660 It's the church of Jesus Christ.

00:18:46.340 Yeah.

00:18:47.160 So don't, yeah, don't.

00:18:49.940 Like, if you care about not having World War III,

00:18:53.200 don't tear down the Al-Aqsa Mosque

00:18:55.780 and try to rebuild the temple

00:18:57.600 because day one of construction isn't going to look so pretty.

00:19:02.320 It'll look like that.

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00:21:10.440 So this idea that the Jews aren't Christians,

00:21:15.280 but there's people in the modern nation state of Israel,

00:21:20.600 that they are the genetic descendants of Abraham,

00:21:24.080 and that there's still this hangover promise for them in our future,

00:21:28.720 that either land promises, physical promises,

00:21:31.660 like dispensationalists would hold a divine right to this land

00:21:35.660 or at minimum, a lot of supersessionist covenant guys

00:21:39.260 still hold to, there's at least spiritual promises

00:21:41.680 still in our future for the Jews,

00:21:43.920 a great revival that many will come to salvation

00:21:46.580 and that that would be kind of like the catalyst,

00:21:48.980 a kickstarter towards like a post-millennial golden age.

00:21:51.860 Many of the Puritans held to that view at all.

00:21:54.000 Not all, but many of them held to that as well.

00:21:56.620 Like John Owen is one of them, yeah.

00:21:58.220 But my point is, it doesn't seem like Richard the Lionheart or Duke Godfrey.

00:22:08.520 You've read Defenders of the West.

00:22:10.000 Yeah, and Sword and Scimitar.

00:22:11.900 Yeah, all of those guys.

00:22:12.880 And God's Battalions.

00:22:14.560 Yeah, were they thinking that?

00:22:15.840 Yes, I am a male with testosterone.

00:22:19.160 That's right.

00:22:19.420 So, yes, I read those books.

00:22:20.640 Of course I did.

00:22:21.340 Everybody read those books.

00:22:22.240 If you didn't, then—

00:22:23.340 You should.

00:22:23.700 You should.

00:22:24.300 And you also need to do, you know, our Reno with, you know, the return of the strong gods.

00:22:31.240 Yeah, Reno.

00:22:32.000 If you don't know what the post-war consensus is and you don't realize that the Crusades were good, not perfect, but good, then you missed a whole year.

00:22:44.600 You need to be on Twitter more.

00:22:45.960 That's right.

00:22:47.780 Exactly.

00:22:48.460 But what I was going to say is these guys, when you think of the Crusades, what are they trying to do?

00:22:52.680 Like they're trying to capture Jerusalem, but they're not trying to, these are not the

00:22:58.800 Christians spending their wealth or their lives, the lives of their people, to capture 0.88

00:23:04.400 Jerusalem for the Jews so that they can- 0.98

00:23:06.800 Bring them back to the land, build the temple so we can have Jesus come back.

00:23:09.500 No, they're saying it cannot be the center of Islam. 0.98

00:23:12.080 Yeah.

00:23:12.600 It also cannot be the center of Judaism.

00:23:15.460 Jerusalem is a Christian city.

00:23:17.340 Yeah, it belongs to Christ.

00:23:18.440 They wanted to capture it for Christ.

00:23:19.720 Now, some of their views, I mean, they maybe had a superstitious or mystical view of Jerusalem that it's holier than anywhere else, right?

00:23:28.960 Wherever God's people are gathered, right?

00:23:32.540 That's Jerusalem, right?

00:23:33.760 That's Mount Zion, right?

00:23:34.820 So, when we sing the Psalms and it's all these Psalms about Mount Zion and Jerusalem and these blessings to Israel, right?

00:23:41.300 It's not anachronistic.

00:23:43.980 It's not replacement theology to say, well, where is Israel?

00:23:47.040 It's where Christ is.

00:23:48.180 Right.

00:23:48.400 And where is he?

00:23:50.440 When his people gather, right?

00:23:52.380 When two or three are gathered in my name,

00:23:54.940 there I am among them, right?

00:23:56.060 It's when God's people gather together to worship,

00:23:58.840 there he is and there is Mount Zion right there.

00:24:02.220 And so, yeah, as Richard the Lionheart

00:24:04.400 is gathering his army to battle

00:24:06.680 and they're worshiping the entire time

00:24:08.840 on the way down there, right?

00:24:10.560 They're already in Jerusalem, right?

00:24:12.260 So they have this medieval view of the Holy Land,

00:24:16.360 right, the Holy Land, that it's holier there

00:24:18.280 than it is back in England or in France.

00:24:20.880 But even you and I,

00:24:22.820 we would still acknowledge that yes,

00:24:26.900 wherever the church gathers,

00:24:28.240 two or three in my name,

00:24:29.680 and that's not just talking about

00:24:31.040 two or three people on a Tuesday afternoon

00:24:32.740 with an ovation, acoustic guitar,

00:24:34.600 the gym day thing.

00:24:36.500 Kumbaya, my Lord.

00:24:38.620 It's not that.

00:24:39.600 It's not in your college dorm room.

00:24:41.680 It's word and sacrament being offered.

00:24:43.980 Yes, this is Matthew 18.

00:24:45.180 When Jesus says that,

00:24:46.320 it's in the same context

00:24:47.360 as tell it to the church, as church discipline.

00:24:50.180 So it's talking about Christ being,

00:24:52.100 Christ is always present by virtue

00:24:53.800 of the indwelling ministry of the Holy Spirit for believers.

00:24:56.540 The Spirit exudes the ministry

00:24:58.520 and the spirit of the resurrected Christ.

00:25:00.420 So Christ is present,

00:25:01.940 even if you're an individual Christian in isolation,

00:25:04.720 in confinement because of persecution,

00:25:06.820 Christ is with you.

00:25:08.180 But Jesus is promising in Matthew 18

00:25:10.320 to be especially, or we might say uniquely present

00:25:13.880 on the Lord's Day,

00:25:15.520 when the church is gathered on the Lord's Day

00:25:17.160 for church and he's present for the purpose of authority.

00:25:20.120 Yeah, present in the same way that God was present

00:25:22.700 in the Holy of Holies in the tabernacle and the temple, right?

00:25:25.800 His glory cloud comes down and smoke fills the temple

00:25:29.200 and there's his presence.

00:25:30.240 And in the old covenant, right?

00:25:32.040 You couldn't get too close or you'd get burned up.

00:25:34.660 Right.

00:25:35.000 Right, new covenant, he's present.

00:25:37.180 There he is, glory cloud is coming down.

00:25:39.020 This is what we, you know, in liturgy in my church,

00:25:41.660 in many churches, right?

00:25:42.560 When you're saying, right, with angels and archangels

00:25:45.440 and all the company of heaven,

00:25:46.460 And that's actually literally happening

00:25:48.240 when God's people, they gather together in worship, right?

00:25:51.460 You are in the temple.

00:25:52.300 You're in the Holy of Holies, worshiping Christ.

00:25:54.940 He's present there among you.

00:25:55.880 You've drawn near to him

00:25:57.440 and he's especially present in that way.

00:26:00.200 Yes, and so you and I have that view

00:26:01.780 that that happens anywhere the church gathers

00:26:03.660 on the Lord's day for the word to be rightly preached,

00:26:07.700 the sacraments rightly administered.

00:26:10.200 There a church of God exists,

00:26:11.520 even if it swarms with many faults, John Calvin,

00:26:14.160 wherever the church gathers on the Lord's day,

00:26:15.760 whether it be in Asia or whether it be in Russia

00:26:18.500 or whether it be here in these United States,

00:26:21.060 that is in the truest, ultimate, highest sense.

00:26:24.080 Or Gaza. 0.74

00:26:24.920 Or Gaza. Amen. 1.00

00:26:26.740 That in the truest, highest, eternal sense is Jerusalem.

00:26:30.340 That is the holy city of God.

00:26:32.100 That is the third temple.

00:26:34.020 And Christ is right there as the cornerstone in our midst.

00:26:37.080 That said, there is something still valuable

00:26:39.700 in the temporal, earthly plane.

00:26:41.900 And historically speaking of saying,

00:26:43.820 Yeah, and we also want to, we realize that in the eternal spiritual sense, the church, wherever she is, is Jerusalem.

00:26:52.900 And also, that piece of land also belongs to Christ.

00:26:57.120 And in a symbolic sense, in a historical sense, as a monument to God's glory and His faithfulness and His kind.

00:27:04.580 Yeah, we want to take Jerusalem.

00:27:06.000 and also even in an economic sense,

00:27:10.340 in a foreign affairs, peace sense,

00:27:13.120 if the Crusaders, the Christian Crusaders had won, 0.54

00:27:16.220 the world would be different. 1.00

00:27:18.020 It would be better.

00:27:19.560 It would be better, unequivocally better. 1.00

00:27:22.060 Or even if the British, right, 0.99

00:27:24.600 just maintained the Palestinian mandate 0.51

00:27:28.580 and it was just a colony of theirs. 0.88

00:27:30.460 But Zionism and dispensationalism are a hell of a drug. 0.86

00:27:34.300 Yeah. 0.98

00:27:34.860 And it has been unceasing war ever since.

00:27:38.300 And you just think about it, right?

00:27:39.980 Ask of me and I'll give you the nations as my inheritance.

00:27:42.480 The nations belong to Christ, right?

00:27:44.080 He ascends to the right hand of the Father and that's it.

00:27:46.800 All authority in heaven and earth are given to him.

00:27:48.880 All the nations belong to him.

00:27:50.960 But then, right, the dispensationalists will say, except one little stretch of land, 0.96

00:27:58.820 there are these everlasting promises to a particular ethnic group that they get to have that.

00:28:03.820 jesus gets to have everything else right right no no that land belongs to jesus right he is the

00:28:11.160 seed of abraham right these the true seed of abraham the faithful one right that kept and

00:28:17.320 maintained the promises right by faith right right not by the law and that stretch of land

00:28:24.840 that real estate that's his right that belongs to him and to his people right to his co-heirs

00:28:31.440 To Abraham was promised a particular land, but to his seed, and Paul says this explicitly in the New Testament, not seeds, plural, but seeds, singular.

00:28:42.160 So the seed is not Israel as a nation, but Christ as one particular descendant.

00:28:48.800 There aren't multiple covenants happening at the same time.

00:28:50.840 That's right.

00:28:51.640 So to Abraham is promised a particular land, but to his seed, that is Christ, is promised all the land.

00:28:58.460 Yeah, including that particular land.

00:28:59.980 Including that particular land.

00:29:01.060 all the land. But then furthermore, we as the New Testament church, as Christians,

00:29:06.840 have a union by the Spirit, through faith, with Christ, branches attached to the vine,

00:29:13.140 from whom is the source of all nourishment and spiritual blessings and tangible blessings.

00:29:18.780 And we have been named as co-heirs with Christ. So anything that is promised by God

00:29:27.020 to Christ belongs rightfully to us.

00:29:31.380 Yeah.

00:29:31.640 So what Joel, you're calling for right now

00:29:33.060 is another crusade to go retake Israel.

00:29:34.380 I was just about to say, 0.98

00:29:35.380 there are ways to do these things 1.00

00:29:37.940 that are unhinged and stupid. 1.00

00:29:39.600 And there are ways to do these things 1.00

00:29:41.020 that are ethical,

00:29:42.440 principles of just war theory and all these things.

00:29:44.980 So there are lots of disclaimers.

00:29:46.700 These things apply.

00:29:48.760 And for the record, just for the record, 0.91

00:29:51.220 I do not believe that Israel,

00:29:53.860 the modern state of Israel today, 0.58

00:29:55.620 has a divine right to that land.

00:29:59.460 But let me just explain what I mean by that.

00:30:01.920 I don't believe that America has a divine right

00:30:04.700 to this land or Brazil has a divine.

00:30:06.660 I don't believe that any nation

00:30:08.040 or any peoples on the earth has a divine right.

00:30:10.380 And what I mean by that is

00:30:11.140 everybody has a providential right.

00:30:13.640 You're there, you're there.

00:30:15.280 And so whether the land was taken unethically

00:30:17.800 or whether it was settled in an ethical way,

00:30:21.480 however you got there,

00:30:23.180 every piece of land that's currently occupied

00:30:25.280 and ruled by a particular people.

00:30:27.920 That land was taken or settled from some other people.

00:30:31.540 And all that happened under the banner

00:30:32.980 of the sovereignty of God,

00:30:34.260 who's sovereign and providential over all things.

00:30:36.940 And so here's the deal. 1.00

00:30:38.120 Do I think that modern Jews should have been placed 1.00

00:30:42.620 smack dab in the middle of a bunch of Muslims? 1.00

00:30:46.300 Is that a great idea? 1.00

00:30:47.060 No, I don't think that's a great idea.

00:30:48.500 No, I think that was historically,

00:30:50.180 I think we'll eventually look back

00:30:51.400 and say that that was one of the biggest mistakes

00:30:53.080 that the West got involved and made happen

00:30:56.080 because it wouldn't have been achieved without us.

00:30:58.600 And we wouldn't have done it without dispensationalism.

00:31:01.560 So we'll look and say,

00:31:02.960 whoa, that was one of the biggest theological psyops

00:31:05.320 that caused, and here's the thing,

00:31:06.920 theology, what you believe, has political consequences.

00:31:10.340 So we believe bad theology.

00:31:12.500 We then made bad political decisions.

00:31:14.920 It then resulted in bad consequences,

00:31:18.620 unceasing war for decades now.

00:31:20.800 And eventually, I think we'll look back and say,

00:31:22.460 that was a really bad decision.

00:31:23.980 However, the point is that within God's providence,

00:31:27.680 God is sovereign over all things,

00:31:29.040 not just good decisions, but also poor decisions.

00:31:32.220 And so here's the deal.

00:31:34.420 Regardless of whether or not it was a right decision,

00:31:36.520 and I think it was a very wrong decision 0.52

00:31:38.180 to put Israel in 1948. 0.99

00:31:41.220 However, God ordained that. 0.93

00:31:44.880 But he did not, it's not a divine right.

00:31:46.900 What I mean is God did not ordain it

00:31:48.860 as a fulfillment of prophecy in the Old Testament.

00:31:51.760 Yeah, it's a, it's, you're, this is a descript, you're describing God's will.

00:31:56.120 It's not proscriptive.

00:31:57.740 It's not prescriptive.

00:31:58.620 It's descriptive.

00:31:59.640 So this is not a prescriptive prophecy, Old Testament prophecy, that Israel must exist

00:32:04.700 and it must have this land and it must rebuild this third temple and it must, no, none of

00:32:09.980 this is a fulfillment to eschatological prophecy.

00:32:12.720 Yeah.

00:32:13.080 That's wrong.

00:32:13.720 It's history playing out.

00:32:15.060 That's right.

00:32:15.500 However.

00:32:16.220 In the providence of God.

00:32:17.180 Israel, the modern state of Israel, still has a right, a temporal, or I should maybe even say

00:32:24.180 a current or present right to that land in the same way that Americans do. It's not a divine

00:32:29.520 prophecy that, oh, this is our land and it will be for all of time until the end of the age.

00:32:34.560 No, no, no. We can be kicked out of the land. We can be conquered by a nation.

00:32:38.400 We can lose a war. 0.93

00:32:39.140 We can lose a war. But currently, Americans have this land that all things that happen

00:32:45.300 happened to the providence of God. And so in that sense, God did ordain it. And we have a right to

00:32:50.120 self-defense. And I would say the same for Israel. They have a right to self-defense. It is currently

00:32:54.540 their land, but they do not have a eternal, indefinite divine right. And one day, Israel,

00:33:03.820 the modern, I'm speaking of the modern state of Israel, will lose the land. It will belong to 1.00

00:33:09.780 Christians and it may belong to those particular people. Or their descendants. Or their descendants. 1.00

00:33:14.420 Christians. Who will become Christians and convert to Christ because the knowledge of the glory of

00:33:19.380 God will cover the whole earth as the waters cover the sea. Yeah, amen. I think, I mean, along those

00:33:24.860 lines, an interesting point, I mean, just in dealing with some of the objections to this view

00:33:31.920 of Romans 11 is, you know, especially like the Puritan view or the, you know, majority report

00:33:41.040 reformed view on Romans 11 is, well, this particular people, ethnic Israel, people who

00:33:51.640 practice Judaism and so forth, they have to perpetually exist as a distinct people, a distinct

00:33:59.480 ethno-religious group forever in order for this promise to be fulfilled. But I mean, if you look 0.84

00:34:07.620 at demographic trends in post-war, post-war consensus, secularist world, that has hit Jews

00:34:21.720 very hard, especially the secular Jews, but even religious ones as well. It's like a well-known

00:34:29.740 joke now. What's the difference between Donald Trump and a Jewish rabbi?

00:34:37.620 i don't know tell me uh trump has jewish grandchildren right i mean and so like it's

00:34:44.820 a re it's a real thing right right i mean if there's jewish people watching this you know

00:34:47.960 maybe hate watching this they that's a concern that they have is they do not have grandchildren

00:34:53.400 their kids or if they do have grandchildren their children are marrying you know non-jews and 0.99

00:34:57.280 they're not maintaining traditions and they're just assimilating into other people doesn't 1.00

00:35:00.760 value posterity just living for yolo you only live once your own generation and if all religions

00:35:06.500 The ones are all kind of the same. 0.98

00:35:07.740 None of it really matters.

00:35:09.280 And so much of secularism, correct me if I'm wrong

00:35:11.300 or if you need a disclaimer or nuance,

00:35:12.900 but so much of secularism has come out of modern Jews. 1.00

00:35:17.520 Yeah, I don't think, I mean, people can notice, right, 0.99

00:35:20.080 that the leading academics and theorists

00:35:23.600 and cultural figures that have pushed secularism

00:35:27.040 have largely been Jewish.

00:35:29.980 I don't think that's-

00:35:30.720 Disproportionately Jewish. 0.95

00:35:31.620 Yeah, I don't think that's controversial to say, 1.00

00:35:33.280 just a fact.

00:35:34.800 And it has come back to bite their own people.

00:35:38.220 Right.

00:35:38.480 And part of the reason we're doing this is, one,

00:35:41.540 for younger guys to be able to articulate their view. 0.61

00:35:44.600 They wouldn't just be unhinged and be just, I hate Israel. 0.68

00:35:47.040 Why? 0.93

00:35:47.380 I can't really tell you why. 0.59

00:35:48.480 I just hate them.

00:35:49.040 Yeah, it's just bad.

00:35:50.240 Yeah, or something.

00:35:50.740 We're not trying to do that.

00:35:51.620 No, we want to say, no, there are theological reasons

00:35:53.900 for not supporting the nation state of Israel,

00:35:58.060 certainly not with billions of dollars.

00:36:00.360 And there are theological reasons also

00:36:02.920 for recognizing that there's just those in Christ

00:36:07.040 and those who are not.

00:36:08.120 There's not this third category of Christian adjacent.

00:36:10.940 So there are all these theological things

00:36:12.840 that we need to understand.

00:36:13.840 And one of the things I'd like to do,

00:36:15.020 at least in one of these episodes in the series,

00:36:16.960 is talk about the Talmud.

00:36:18.640 Because I think it's also helpful to recognize

00:36:20.240 not just modern Jews as unbelievers,

00:36:23.420 but I would say at the level of the heart,

00:36:25.800 no worse than anybody else.

00:36:27.640 Total depravity.

00:36:28.500 Because you can't really get much more depraved than that.

00:36:30.400 So total depravity. 1.00

00:36:31.240 So all unbelievers, whether they be Muslims or agnostics or atheists or Jews, 1.00

00:36:36.660 all unbelievers are totally depraved at the level of the heart. 1.00

00:36:39.680 But in terms of political and economic and cultural actions, outward behaviors, 1.00

00:36:46.040 I do think that not all, but some Jews are uniquely pernicious. 1.00

00:36:53.480 Like motivated by a hatred or antipathy to Christianity. 1.00

00:36:57.040 Because Islam says that Jesus is not the son of God,

00:37:00.220 but he's an esteemed prophet.

00:37:02.400 Buddhists esteem Christ,

00:37:04.200 not as the son of God, 0.80

00:37:05.300 but as a prophet.

00:37:06.440 Every major world religion

00:37:07.860 carves out at least some,

00:37:09.880 it tips the hat to Jesus.

00:37:13.180 But the Talmud does not.

00:37:15.360 Only in terms of major world religions,

00:37:17.800 there is only one

00:37:18.880 that not only does not receive Christ as God,

00:37:23.860 rejects his divinity,

00:37:25.760 but goes further in an outright hostility. 0.98

00:37:28.740 It says that he's burning in, boiling feces and hell. 0.97

00:37:36.100 So not only are Jews, Judaism is what, because Jews can come to Christ. 0.97

00:37:41.780 The actual religion itself. 0.78

00:37:44.220 Not only is Judaism not Christian adjacent, but it is arguably the most Christian hostile in terms of major world religions. 0.98

00:37:54.860 I think it's important to look at it this way. 0.97

00:37:57.420 and yeah and i don't want to sound like oh well these are the worst people ever at all all this

00:38:01.660 kind of stuff but i think in terms like theologically like looking at it from a theological

00:38:04.680 perspective right just think about um because you see this all the time like oh there are older

00:38:10.320 brothers in the faith or they're really close to christ because they have the torah they have the

00:38:13.540 old testament they just need the new testament right that argument is brought out all the time

00:38:17.900 you know ad infinitum and but think about it this way right if um if i were going to go you know

00:38:26.700 over to the H-E-B, right?

00:38:28.760 And I was going to make a counterfeit $100.

00:38:30.500 Herbert E. Butts.

00:38:31.500 Right, yeah.

00:38:31.900 God bless him, H-E-B. 1.00

00:38:32.500 If I'm going to make a counterfeit $100 bill 1.00

00:38:34.280 to pay for my stakes that I get over there, right?

00:38:37.800 And I'm going to counterfeit the $100 bill.

00:38:39.580 If I have my four-year-old make a counterfeit $100 bill

00:38:43.380 with her crayons, right? 0.87

00:38:46.340 That's probably not a huge threat to the H-E-B.

00:38:49.320 I'm not going to be able to steal $100 worth of stake 0.93

00:38:51.240 from them with that.

00:38:52.300 But if I go and I get like a 4 or an 8K digital scanner and I get it really, really, really close where it's indistinguishable from a real $100 bill, and I even put a little ribbon in the middle that they got now, and I bring that in there, right, hand it to the cashier, I could walk away and steal $100 worth of stake, right?

00:39:12.500 A counterfeit that looks very close, right?

00:39:15.820 The closer in proximity it is to the real thing,

00:39:18.320 the genuine article, the more of a danger,

00:39:20.780 the more of a threat that it is to the genuine article. 0.82

00:39:24.400 And so Buddhism, very far from Christianity. 0.96

00:39:27.680 Islam, right? 1.00

00:39:29.100 You know, more of a threat to Christianity 1.00

00:39:30.380 than Islam is a little bit closer, right? 1.00

00:39:32.160 It's this reversion to the old covenant world, right? 0.99

00:39:35.940 But Judaism has half the Bible there

00:39:39.280 and they say this part of the Bible

00:39:41.500 that God says is all about Jesus is not.

00:39:44.880 And we don't believe in him.

00:39:45.780 We don't trust him.

00:39:47.040 And he, and then you have,

00:39:48.680 I mean, the Talmud is hard because, right?

00:39:51.080 Really, it's just writing down a debate club.

00:39:53.380 So it's not like, all right, here's,

00:39:54.940 this is the catechism of Judaism, right?

00:39:57.500 It's like, well, this rabbi says this,

00:39:59.060 this rabbi says that.

00:39:59.960 It's hard to pin down the doctrine where it's like,

00:40:03.020 okay, not everybody believes the part about,

00:40:05.300 you know, Jesus boiling in feces. 0.84

00:40:07.880 Well, it's similar to the Quran.

00:40:09.340 The Quran directly contradicts itself.

00:40:11.080 but the more recent passages will override the earlier passages.

00:40:15.700 Yeah, and so I don't want to be like histrionic or outlandish or anything like that

00:40:21.160 because a lot of people bring up that passage.

00:40:22.340 We want to be persuasive, and the way to be persuasive is to not exaggerate.

00:40:27.280 Yeah, just tell the truth about it.

00:40:28.840 Some of the guys, and some of these guys are, I think, they have a right sense,

00:40:34.640 but they're not, even if they're right, they're not, I tell my friends all the time,

00:40:38.940 I don't want to just be right.

00:40:40.500 I want to win.

00:40:41.080 Yeah, I want to be right.

00:40:41.940 And I want to be accurate.

00:40:42.800 I want to tell the truth.

00:40:44.420 So even if in general you have the right position, 1.00

00:40:46.480 you recognize, man, Judaism actually is pernicious. 1.00

00:40:50.120 And that's true. 1.00

00:40:51.060 But if you are unhinged and too hyperbolic and exaggeratory,

00:40:56.920 what happens is that you don't win people over.

00:41:00.400 You actually just reinforce them to dig their heels more.

00:41:03.620 And your boomer parents just become even more dispensational.

00:41:09.400 dispensational. They're like, I'm going to write two checks this month. Yeah, that's right. 0.63

00:41:13.220 Because my son's an anti-Semite, I'm writing two checks. And you don't, yeah, you don't want to 0.71

00:41:17.560 come across that way or be perceived that way. It's like, well, no, it's just, it's having an

00:41:23.780 accurate picture of where things really are, right? Because this idea of Judeo-Christian, 0.63

00:41:29.560 right, that we're pretty much the same thing, that's fine. There are older brothers in the

00:41:35.680 faith, like the Judeo is just the Old Testament, the Ten Commandments and everything, and then you 0.72

00:41:40.120 get the New Testament, that's Christian. And it's like, no, the whole Bible is Christ. The whole

00:41:44.200 Bible is the church. They don't get to claim it, actually, because they rejected Jesus. Well, 0.76

00:41:51.140 the Old Testament is his, right? It's all Christian. And so, right, it is a religion that 1.00

00:41:57.440 is opposed to Christianity. There can be no partnership in theological terms, maybe in 0.92

00:42:03.760 political and different things like you can have right if you have jewish neighbors in your 0.97

00:42:07.420 neighborhood and you want to you know get uh you know you want to oppose transgenderism and they're 0.73

00:42:13.280 very religious jews and things like that you can work with them you can do things like that but

00:42:16.920 but on the on the religious sense you don't say we're going to have an interfaith uh prayer time

00:42:21.940 well we're not praying to the the same god right i i like him he's a good neighbor he's a great guy

00:42:26.800 but we don't we don't worship the same the same god right they don't worship the triune god right

00:42:32.280 And so this is – there's an oppositional relationship that is there and what dispensationalism does, what Christian Zionism does, what all of this does is just papers over it and pretends that the oppositional nature is not there whatsoever between the two very separate and distinct religions, right?

00:42:54.080 And so it's like you disarm yourself, but the other group, I don't think, thinks about it that way.

00:43:01.100 They don't think, oh, yeah, the Christians, they're our young.

00:43:04.120 When have you heard a, like, Ben Shapiro or someone say, yeah, you're my younger brother in the faith?

00:43:09.380 Yeah.

00:43:09.540 Right?

00:43:09.800 They don't say that.

00:43:10.680 They don't think about it that way.

00:43:13.280 And so they understand, no, we are a different religion.

00:43:16.100 You saw this a few months ago with Andrew Klavan, who I believe was a Jewish man, but converted to Christianity, works the Daily Wire.

00:43:25.920 That's his testimony.

00:43:26.920 I personally, I did a whole video on it, but God alone sees the heart.

00:43:32.100 But I personally, from outward—

00:43:34.240 From what he said. 0.99

00:43:35.220 From his own profession, I would reject that he's a Christian. 0.67

00:43:39.060 Yeah, because he doesn't want his boss, Ben Shapiro, who is a Jew, to come to Christ. 0.89

00:43:43.300 Right. 0.79

00:43:44.060 Well, not just that.

00:43:45.020 It's not just that he doesn't want him to convert.

00:43:47.000 He's convinced that God doesn't want Ben Shapiro to convert

00:43:49.820 because it'd be hard on him.

00:43:52.020 Be hard on him and the effect of his family.

00:43:54.700 And because God is using him in all these ways.

00:43:57.260 Right.

00:43:57.720 Right, that would be bad.

00:43:59.180 What Andrew Claven communicated was,

00:44:01.340 it's not just that he communicated Judaism.

00:44:03.700 Yeah.

00:44:04.240 He communicated universalism.

00:44:06.260 Yeah, yeah.

00:44:07.020 That's explicitly.

00:44:08.700 And Judeo-Christian is, I think, a species of universalism.

00:44:13.180 It is.

00:44:13.540 Yeah.

00:44:13.880 And so we have to reject that framing. 0.90

00:44:17.220 By God's grace, I really do think this is the last generation.

00:44:20.200 Could you see the spike if you track language?

00:44:22.340 Oh, yeah, with the N-gram.

00:44:23.140 Nobody used Judeo-Christian ever.

00:44:25.480 Before the 20th century. 0.79

00:44:26.780 Until the 20th century, the 1930s, 40s.

00:44:29.920 And I think by God's grace, I think it'll be a thing of history.

00:44:34.820 Because it is an oxymoron.

00:44:36.560 Yeah, my concern with it too is, right, it can go one of two ways.

00:44:40.860 I think that trend, you're absolutely right, is true and correct. 0.99

00:44:45.800 And the more resistant Christians are, Big Eva Christians especially, but even in the 1.00

00:44:52.860 Reformed world, the more resistant we are to having these conversations and talking 0.94

00:44:57.400 about these things, the worse it is going to be when these things are ultimately rejected.

00:45:02.520 Because you won't have guys like us who are having this conversation in a very sane and

00:45:07.380 reasonable way.

00:45:07.480 Well, because there will always be leaders.

00:45:08.840 Here's the thing.

00:45:09.200 If you just stand like Gandalf on the middle of the bridge, you shall not pass.

00:45:15.500 It must be the middle way.

00:45:18.380 That's right.

00:45:19.380 You shall not pass from feminism to patriarchy, but complementarianism.

00:45:25.400 And you shall not pass.

00:45:28.040 That's been evangelicals for the past 20 to 40 years.

00:45:32.400 You shall not pass to cessationism, nor shall you stay with charismatic, but it will be open but cautious.

00:45:39.200 you know and like every little thing has been a if you do a third way move on this one yeah um

00:45:45.640 the evidence is so overwhelming yeah you can't make people not notice and we're going to get 0.78

00:45:51.040 into this because we do need to talk about how no it's not every Jew no of course not but we do 0.53

00:45:55.500 need to talk about um the percentages of of uh of people who own porn companies yeah the percentage

00:46:01.580 like we we do need to talk about some of these things and here's the deal it's not going away

00:46:06.500 It's not going away.

00:46:08.060 People have already noticed.

00:46:09.820 They're going to continue to notice. 1.00

00:46:11.880 And then what happens is that if you just stand like Gandalf and try to keep the Belrog from going to the other side of the chasm, 0.99

00:46:19.740 what's going to happen in this scenario is that all these young men are going to get to the other side. 1.00

00:46:26.020 And it will be a movement.

00:46:28.120 And every movement will have leaders.

00:46:29.880 But in this case, what it will mean is that there will be no mature leaders.

00:46:33.620 There will be no mature leaders that will lead them and restrain them and teach them to operate in a faithful, Christ-like way.

00:46:42.400 It'll be unhinged.

00:46:43.680 It'll be leaders who have gone down the rabbit hole with the T being silent. 0.92

00:46:47.540 You know, it'll be leaders who have gone down the rabbi hole. 0.96

00:46:50.900 Took me a second. 1.00

00:46:52.180 It's a good one.

00:46:53.100 The T is silent.

00:46:54.080 But it'll be leaders who, like, they've done their 1,000 hours of research on YouTube.

00:47:00.580 Yeah.

00:47:01.480 Hopefully this will be included.

00:47:02.740 Yeah, and hopefully this will be included.

00:47:04.500 But here's the thing.

00:47:05.580 They won't know systematic theology.

00:47:08.100 No.

00:47:08.580 They won't know Bovink.

00:47:10.180 They won't know historic Protestant theology and what we believe.

00:47:14.420 And this is, I mean, I spoke at a conference recently on this topic that Protestant Christianity,

00:47:22.420 and in particular, American Protestantism, and this is something that Stephen said when we were in Ogden,

00:47:28.980 is historically very, very tolerant

00:47:35.000 of minority views, minority religions,

00:47:37.800 things like this, tolerant of Judaism.

00:47:40.460 And it was able to because it said, 0.74

00:47:42.400 we have hegemony.

00:47:43.960 This is a Christian nation.

00:47:45.720 We are going to be Christians.

00:47:47.460 You could be here.

00:47:48.160 We'll have laws that will protect you.

00:47:49.800 No one will harm you, harass you.

00:47:52.100 You won't get to be in charge.

00:47:53.580 You don't get to be in charge.

00:47:54.900 And because you have the strength of that,

00:47:57.540 you are able to tolerate other groups and protect them right and that historically is what we did

00:48:03.520 have power it doesn't set the stage for christians to then persecute no uh what it does is it

00:48:09.620 actually secures the stage so that if christians have power then we can afford to have people who

00:48:15.080 disagree with us here and we can give them equal rights and privileges under the law but not equal

00:48:21.260 elected office or political power or anything else you don't get to be in charge right you don't

00:48:27.520 Any society, right, the stronger you are, the more tolerant you will be of other groups.

00:48:34.000 Right. 1.00

00:48:34.420 It's one that is in danger of being subverted that then lashes out against minority groups. 0.75

00:48:40.440 And so the best thing, right, if we want to flip the paradigm around, the best thing for American Jews would be, right, and maybe Yoram Hazoni will listen to this, although he's Israeli, I think. 0.75

00:48:52.440 But America, for them, the best thing that could possibly be would be for America to return to its Protestant Christian roots and being an exclusively Christian country. 0.88

00:49:04.980 Amen. 0.99

00:49:05.380 Right?

00:49:05.620 Holding to that firmly, strongly, where the Christian religion does not allow itself to be subverted from the outside or from the inside.

00:49:13.920 Then you can tolerate different groups.

00:49:17.200 You can tolerate atheists.

00:49:18.460 You can tolerate agnostics.

00:49:19.800 You can tolerate people who practice Judaism.

00:49:22.440 and you won't persecute them

00:49:25.480 because they are not a threat to you.

00:49:26.700 And as Stephen Wolf has also said,

00:49:27.960 atheism will be crushed,

00:49:29.140 but not atheists.

00:49:30.440 But atheism will be crushed

00:49:31.760 in the sense that

00:49:32.860 you won't have state schools

00:49:34.380 teaching atheism to children

00:49:36.320 as a curriculum.

00:49:37.280 And so too,

00:49:38.080 you will not have schools

00:49:39.140 teaching the Talmud to children.

00:49:41.060 As a social, political, cultural force,

00:49:43.880 it'll be crushed. 1.00

00:49:44.520 You will have the Christian faith, 1.00

00:49:44.980 the Bible.

00:49:46.140 But atheists, meaning people, 0.61

00:49:49.140 Jews, meaning people,

00:49:50.940 that they would be permitted

00:49:52.240 to remain as citizens with equal protections,

00:49:57.040 even to practice their religion, 0.98

00:49:59.040 which we believe is wrong and affront to God.

00:50:01.740 It's false and not true.

00:50:02.200 But to practice it privately.

00:50:04.220 You don't have the secret Christian police

00:50:07.340 rounding people up in their private homes.

00:50:09.460 And say, we're going to re-educate you.

00:50:10.980 No, no, no.

00:50:12.220 That's the thing people freak out about

00:50:13.840 and lose their minds over.

00:50:14.860 But that's not what anything.

00:50:15.840 That's not historically what we thought.

00:50:17.160 But the way to get there, though, 0.98

00:50:18.740 is for Christians to seize power. 1.00

00:50:20.960 Yeah. Yeah. And if we, if, when we do, when the Christian church, when historic Protestant Christianity from America, what America was founded with returns, right, then you have the strength to be able to have a society like that. 1.00

00:50:39.940 You have to have strength in order to have tolerance.

00:50:43.560 When you're weak and threatened and on the verge of being killed, tolerance is a luxury for strength.

00:50:52.400 You can't afford tolerance to your enemies if they're about to kill you.

00:50:56.560 Yeah, look who has power now.

00:50:58.200 Look who has power now in our society.

00:51:01.920 It's secularism.

00:51:03.500 It's secularists.

00:51:04.760 It is people who want secularism to be at the very top.

00:51:08.640 what are they threatened by right who do they want to persecute who do they want to like us

00:51:13.020 and our churches and christians who are politically assertive and culturally assertive that is who's

00:51:18.580 public enemy number one so the principle of right a strong healthy society if you this if secularist

00:51:24.420 society could be strong it wouldn't be threatened by christianity but it very much so is um and and

00:51:32.180 so that's why i think that that's a huge white pill is that we we threaten them you're not

00:51:37.480 threatened by something that you're not afraid of. That's right. All right. Thanks for tuning in.

00:51:41.680 God bless.

The NXR Podcast - January 18, 2025

THE FRIDAY SPECIAL - Why Talmudic Judaism Is A Perversion Of The Old Testament - w Andrew Isker @contramundumpodcast

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