The NXR Podcast - THE FRIDAY SPECIAL - Why Talmudic Judaism Is A Perversion Of The Old Testament with Andrew Isker

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00:01:27.020 couple clips just to wet your appetite and so our entire moral framework is based around 1930 and

00:01:32.620 1940 and every every bad thing is hitler every every failure to confront the bad thing is neville

00:01:40.120 chamberlain uh and you know saddam hussein hitler vladimir putin hitler donald trump hitler right

00:01:47.220 That's the only moral framework that we have that is operable.

00:01:51.600 So the moment that a young man crosses the aisle and the don't believe your lying eyes rhetoric doesn't work any longer.

00:01:59.080 And he's just noticed too much because it really is that blatantly obvious.

00:02:02.860 And he has nowhere else to go.

00:02:03.760 And he crosses the aisle.

00:02:04.820 Well, the moment he crosses the aisle, there's no reasonable, wise, mature leader over there.

00:02:08.520 You would just have the guys on the TV telling them, this is what the Bible says.

00:02:13.480 You have to believe this.

00:02:14.600 right on the radio the christian radio stations you'd only hear those guys preaching that

00:02:19.520 particular thing uh when the when that is actually when you look at all of church history that's

00:02:25.800 that's the minority view a tiny minority view the rest of theological history in the church

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00:02:46.840 now available today the other aspect of this argument is the anachronism of its application

00:02:54.400 into the future it makes sense that the jews would envy their god going to the gentiles

00:02:59.440 seeing and hearing gentiles throughout the oikumene the greco-roman world read the torah

00:03:04.860 and the prophets, singing and eating in worship, which are activities only allowable at the temple,

00:03:11.400 would enrage them to no end. In our modern context, and any context after AD 70, this does not have

00:03:17.800 the same effect. The overwhelming majority of those called Jews today are secular and agnostic,

00:03:23.320 and among those who are not, their religion is not the religion of the Old Testament,

00:03:28.200 but of the traditions of the rabbis codified in the Talmud and the Mishnah. The Old Testament

00:03:32.960 religion was of temple, sacrifice, and keeping the covenant. None of those things exist anymore.

00:03:39.760 When we go to plant churches, we do not operate the same way Paul did in the transitional period

00:03:46.240 between Old and New Covenant. We don't hang out at the synagogue and preach until they kick us out.

00:03:52.820 The Old Covenant Jew and the Old Covenant Gentile were united in Christ, and after Christ came in 0.96

00:04:00.080 judgment to end the Old Covenant, taking apart the world that both Jews and Gentiles were under, 0.68

00:04:07.380 the distinction no longer holds. The world is now divided up between those in Christ and outside

00:04:14.900 of Christ, those in his kingdom and those not yet. Whatever those called Jews today are, 0.97

00:04:22.820 they are not Old Covenant Jews because such a people no longer exist. They are now an ethnic

00:04:29.960 group, like any other, that will one day bow the knee to Jesus. They are not Israel, not in the 1.00

00:04:38.640 true sense, because Israel came to its spiritual and covenantal end in AD 70. To talk of a future 0.88

00:04:46.820 conversion of Israel today is like talking about a future conversion of the Amalekites or Hittites. 0.78

00:04:52.840 A people could exist who maybe even took their 23andMe and can claim some genetic descent

00:04:58.840 to these ancient peoples, and perhaps even began to adopt their ancient religious rites. 0.74

00:05:05.080 But they neither are those people from the book of Genesis, nor are they Gentiles,

00:05:11.580 because the category of Gentile no longer exists covenantally.

00:05:28.840 you know what i love about this season of the friday special is number one it's your second

00:05:43.340 time we this is still we're still in the first year of you doing this show yeah and uh you made

00:05:48.300 two appearances i get to be here twice you get to be here twice so andrew isker's so nice we had to

00:05:53.200 have them twice. So we have you twice. But you know, some of the things we've done so far were

00:05:59.420 controversial. Boniface option, that was a little controversial. Mermaids, that one people absolutely

00:06:06.120 hate it. I understand. Maybe it's a little wacky. Probably is. And then, you know, right now we've

00:06:11.880 got a series as we're recording this. Our third season is with Cultish. And there's some

00:06:16.940 controversial things there. We're talking about Taylor Swift and the divine feminine and those

00:06:21.540 kinds of things. But this season I think is just, it's just right because there's nothing

00:06:27.840 controversial, right? At all about any of these. Yeah, there's nothing controversial. Everybody

00:06:32.920 agrees. If you want, you know, if you want a conversation piece that you know is sure not

00:06:37.820 to offend anybody, something that every Christian can agree on, it's the subject of Israel.

00:06:44.100 That's right. That's right. All right, so how do you want to start us off with this episode? 0.50

00:06:48.220 Well, I think even just going to what we read in the beginning in the cold open is extremely important to wrap our minds around what is occurring in the New Testament era.

00:07:03.820 That you have, the majority of the Bible is Old Testament.

00:07:09.200 It's the Old Covenant and the history of this particular people, Israel.

00:07:13.440 And then you get to the New Testament and something new and different is happening. 0.76

00:07:17.900 There's a major shift, a major change to a new people, the people of God in Christ, which are Jew and Gentile, that these distinctions between the old covenant and the new covenant are breaking down. 0.81

00:07:32.560 The distinctions between this particular people set apart from the rest of the world to minister to the nations, that distinction is being broken down. 0.71

00:07:42.720 Paul says in Ephesians, the wall of separation between Jew and Gentile has been torn down.

00:07:49.660 And so what does that mean both in the first century, in Paul's time, in his context, and in ours? 0.64

00:07:56.620 It means that these categories, these covenantal categories, it's almost like, I like to describe it as, it's like God has Tupperware.

00:08:05.500 Two kinds of Tupperware that he puts people in in the Old Covenant. 0.98

00:08:08.200 you got the Jew, right? Puts them in there, and they're separate out from the rest of the people 1.00

00:08:13.900 of the whole world, the Gentile, right? These two buckets that he puts them in. When the New 1.00

00:08:19.440 Covenant, those are gone, right? You still have a distinction, but it's between in Christ and 0.94

00:08:28.320 not in Christ. Two covenantal heads, Adam and Christ. Yeah. And so, that is the distinction

00:08:36.980 that's operative in the new covenant, the distinction between Jew and Gentile no longer

00:08:41.420 is. And you still see it in the New Testament era, right? As the New Testament is being written,

00:08:46.760 the time between Pentecost and I think 70 AD, that 40 years, because there's still a temple

00:08:52.960 standing. There's still aspects and remnants of the old covenant. They're still in operation as

00:08:57.920 the gospel and as the spirit of God is breaking into the world and decreating it, tearing it

00:09:04.320 apart. One of the things I didn't do in this book, because I think it's maybe a future book,

00:09:10.220 right? It deserves a book all on its own, is get into the book of Revelation, right?

00:09:16.100 But that book, you read it and you see it, especially from this perspective,

00:09:20.900 it is all about that old creation world, right? That old covenant world being deconstructed by

00:09:28.840 God. You see these patterns of seven all over the place, and particularly in judgments,

00:09:33.080 not just the seven bulls and seven trumpets and seven of everything, but the world, right?

00:09:39.780 You see the days of creation going backwards in the old creation world.

00:09:43.300 He is tearing it down.

00:09:44.340 He's demolishing it piece by piece.

00:09:46.140 He's ripping out the drywall, then all of the studs, and then tearing out the foundation and building something new. 0.96

00:09:52.160 And part of that, part of the features of the construction of the old covenant, the old creation, are these distinctions between Jew and Gentile. 0.86

00:10:01.800 So, in the new creation, in the new world that Christ has made after his resurrection, after his ascension, after Pentecost, and after his judgment on the old covenant. 0.72

00:10:11.280 80-70.

00:10:12.300 That new world is one in which those distinctions, they aren't there anymore.

00:10:19.440 Those categories of human beings that were operative, were very real in the old covenant, are no longer here anymore.

00:10:26.220 So, I don't even like, you know, when people use the terminology, well, we're Gentiles, or they're Jews.

00:10:31.200 it's like, no, no, we're not. We're in Christ, right? We are in Jesus Christ, who is the seed

00:10:36.580 of Abraham, right? We are the covenantal people, right? That same covenant all throughout the

00:10:42.560 whole Bible, that belongs to us, right? That's our, we're grafted into the covenantal tree

00:10:47.800 in Romans 11. And the people on the outside, they don't, there's not some category of,

00:10:54.700 right, you are kind of sort of covenant people out here. It's like, no, there's no covenant

00:10:59.960 promises to you apart from Jesus Christ, right? There are no, these categories, they're gone.

00:11:05.680 They're gone completely. So, if you think about it in those terms, and then you read Romans 11,

00:11:10.440 right, of what has occurred in the new covenant, what has occurred in the destruction of the old

00:11:14.760 covenant, which Paul or whoever wrote Hebrews says in chapter eight is about to pass away.

00:11:21.500 Right.

00:11:22.460 Then, right, you read Romans 11, you have to conclude, especially look at the time markers

00:11:27.400 there that we mentioned in the last episode now and in the present time, right, you have to reach

00:11:31.940 this conclusion that whatever Paul is describing about this conversion of his people, the Jews,

00:11:36.540 his countrymen, his kinsmen, you know, being a mass conversion happening and all of Israel being

00:11:42.920 saved, well, then that means, right, that that had to have happened in that period, in that past

00:11:50.360 period between when he wrote Romans and the end of the Old Covenant. Right. It's not something that

00:11:55.240 we're still waiting for and so that's all wrapping up jews are getting saved there's a partial not a

00:12:02.140 total but a partial hardening so some jews are still getting saved many are stubborn and doubling

00:12:07.400 down and unbelief and then it really is a mercy of god god's justice it's it's it's funny but god's

00:12:13.620 justice always comes as a package deal along with his mercy it's a judgment for the wicked but in

00:12:19.680 the judgment of the wicked always comes a mercy for the righteous and a kindness towards the

00:12:26.180 righteous. And so God brings judgment on Jerusalem in the finality of this wrapping up of a garment,

00:12:32.180 this, the final, you know, stroke of the ax that, you know, at the root of the tree that finally

00:12:37.940 sent, you know, timber. Yes. And now it's coming down. And now it comes down. And that is a mercy

00:12:42.800 because one of the things that it does is, is that if anybody hadn't listened to the warnings

00:12:49.120 of Paul saying, stop hedging your bets, trust in Christ alone. Well, now they have no choice.

00:12:54.400 Yeah.

00:12:54.580 You don't get to make animal sacrifices anymore. You don't have the temple anymore.

00:12:58.000 There is only Christ or nothing.

00:12:59.880 There's Christ or nothing. And we believe that that Christ or nothing strategy on God's part

00:13:06.780 in his judgment actually wrought a great many of Jews turning in repentance and faith to Jesus. 0.81

00:13:17.620 I mean, there's some historical evidence of this, and just thinking through this, right, if this prophecy of Christ, which is one of the things, the main things that the charge against him that made them want to kill him is, I'm going to destroy the temple. 0.86

00:13:34.880 I'm going to destroy the temple.

00:13:36.620 Within this generation, right, within 40 years, this temple is going to be destroyed, and then it actually happens, and they experience that judgment.

00:13:46.680 I mean, we don't think about 70 AD nearly enough.

00:13:52.840 You're talking millions of people, millions of dead bodies scattered around, millions more taken away into slavery, and the city burned.

00:14:04.480 I mean, imagine what that would look like to one of our cities in America, and just the terror and the horror of an experience like that, right?

00:14:12.120 And here, this Jesus—

00:14:13.480 Doesn't the scripture say it was worse than the world had ever seen and ever will again?

00:14:17.960 Yeah.

00:14:18.500 Yeah.

00:14:19.120 And certainly in a spiritual sense, because this is the center of God's world in the old covenant, right?

00:14:25.540 Him destroying, him nuking it, right?

00:14:28.520 Is the worst, right?

00:14:29.800 If this is the center of the world, this is the city that God loves more than any other, and he destroys it, that is absolutely the worst.

00:14:36.020 And so they experienced this judgment.

00:14:39.220 And what happens?

00:14:40.560 Jesus, the prophet, right? 0.97

00:14:42.280 The prophet that Moses spoke about is vindicated, right? 0.93

00:14:45.960 His words are confirmed, right? 0.87

00:14:48.020 You have that happen to you.

00:14:49.300 And here's this prophet who predicted it exactly to the day.

00:14:53.860 And what are you going to do?

00:14:55.000 You're going to believe what he said.

00:14:56.220 You're like, oh, he was God.

00:14:57.580 I should believe in him.

00:14:58.740 It's such a shame. 1.00

00:14:59.580 Don't you feel like it's such a shame when evangelical Christians, 0.54

00:15:03.560 that we forfeit we concede one of the greatest fulfillments of christ's prophecies yeah that 0.59

00:15:12.520 we have in scripture we have all these prophecies the old testament that are fulfilled in christ

00:15:17.140 but then we have this glaring profound prophecy from christ the big one is fulfilled precisely

00:15:23.700 as he said yeah with this generation will not pass away so within one generation not a stone

00:15:29.660 to the temple being left on another. And we'll kind of, you know, we'll acknowledge that one.

00:15:34.740 Oh yeah, that happened. But then in the same breath, Jesus doesn't just stop there. He doesn't

00:15:40.040 just prophesy and say that the temple will be literally deconstructed. But he also says that

00:15:45.000 I will come on the clouds in judgment, this local judgment. And so we're like, well, the temple was

00:15:50.540 destroyed and that was going to happen in one generation. And so Jesus nailed it on that

00:15:54.300 prophecy. But then, you know, even though this is all just in one speech that he's giving to

00:15:58.340 these people in jerusalem uh we're going to say that you know all this other part of what jesus

00:16:02.560 is saying that's going to be fulfilled yeah thousands of years from now you know and and

00:16:06.760 we and we miss out yeah i wasn't there like a moment where was it christopher hitchens who had

00:16:12.160 you know tried to have his gotcha moment with doug with doug yeah yeah yeah and he was like well uh

00:16:17.220 jesus is a false prophet because he said within one generation and you can see just doug smile

00:16:22.480 Doug just smiles, and he's like, I got you.

00:16:25.040 What explanation do you have for that?

00:16:27.200 And Doug says, that happened.

00:16:29.400 Yeah, he did that.

00:16:29.940 He did that.

00:16:31.040 Jesus didn't prophesy falsely.

00:16:33.620 He did come.

00:16:34.760 He came in judgment.

00:16:36.080 He ended the old covenant.

00:16:37.800 All these things are done.

00:16:39.020 And then you and I would just go one step further than Doug and say,

00:16:42.260 and another thing that he did was what Paul writes about in Romans 11.

00:16:45.920 So it's not just the judgment of Matthew 24.

00:16:48.720 He brought the remnant in.

00:16:49.860 but it's also the revival of Romans 11,

00:16:52.360 that that happened as well.

00:16:54.400 And one of the signs that that happened

00:16:56.720 is that the Christian church around the entire world 0.96

00:17:00.420 has been experiencing the very life from the dead

00:17:02.940 that Paul says in Romans 11 with Christendom is the,

00:17:06.640 to me, Christendom, 1,500 years from Constantine

00:17:11.420 all the way up until, I want to say now, 0.99

00:17:14.340 but gosh, we suck these days. 0.93

00:17:16.820 So let's say from Constantine up to the 20th century. 0.97

00:17:19.220 Up to the 20th century, right up until 1945, you know, but from, you know, from Constantine up until, you know, the last century, that incredible mustard seed growing into this tree, leaven working through the batch of dough, this Christendom permeating all the nations of the earth is the very life from the dead that Paul promised would happen. 0.95

00:17:43.360 And it's because, it's not because there's this promise of a future spiritual revival among Israel according to the flesh or even according to the old covenant that's indicative of the offspring of Abraham and that it's in our future and one day it'll happen and then we'll experience this life from the dead among the Gentiles.

00:18:02.620 No, we've been experiencing life from the dead revival around the world for centuries and centuries and centuries because it already happened. 0.69

00:18:10.540 So this is what I want to talk about now, if you'll oblige, is the temple is destroyed.

00:18:17.000 It's rebuilt, right?

00:18:18.520 So Solomon's temple is destroyed.

00:18:20.660 It's rebuilt.

00:18:21.740 We see in Ezra and Nehemiah.

00:18:23.660 Then that one gets destroyed in 8070.

00:18:27.840 Has there ever, will there, a two-part question, will there ever be a third temple?

00:18:32.560 And has there ever been an attempt at a third temple?

00:18:37.320 Yeah. Well, is there a third temple? And this is a good question, because I would say, yes, there is. There is a third temple. And that is, you see that in the book of Ephesians. Paul talks about the third temple. And what is it? What has its cornerstone, which is Jesus Christ, and then its foundation of-

00:18:59.900 and the prophets yeah and then the living stones of the temple are the people of god so you know

00:19:07.220 actually you know we're recording this on a monday you and i were in the third temple yesterday

00:19:11.880 right in church right we we uh we were there and if you know we go there every sunday uh to the

00:19:17.740 third temple so the third temple has been constructed it's currently continually being

00:19:22.400 constructed the third temple has been under construction for 2 000 years yeah yeah 19 and

00:19:28.720 a half centuries and really before it's coming up as the old covenant is winding down. The third

00:19:34.360 temple is the church. Has anybody ever tried to build a literal third temple while rejecting

00:19:40.020 Christ? And how did that work out? So after Constantine, you have all the Roman emperors

00:19:46.140 after him were Christians, except for one. One of them, I believe it was his nephew, actually,

00:19:52.920 julian um he apostatized right he's known in history as julian the apostate so he hated

00:19:59.020 christianity he hated the christian religion he tried to uh he was he was an ex-evangelical right 0.52

00:20:04.300 he tried to deconvert he was very bitter and nasty and angry tried to put up all the pagan statues

00:20:08.540 and everything else that's right that's right and uh and what did he do right he said all right all 0.99

00:20:14.800 all of the jews i'm really gonna spite the christians because i hate these guys and right 0.98

00:20:21.480 Here's a billion dollars, go rebuild a temple in Jerusalem, we'll resettle you in this land. 1.00

00:20:27.420 And so they go, you know, back to Jerusalem, and they gather all the materials and everything on the very first day of construction. 0.89

00:20:34.800 And like you can, as of the recording, anyway, you can go on Wikipedia, right, just nasty atheist Reddit Wikipedia, and they still have an article about this, right? 0.54

00:20:46.060 Very first day of construction, what happens? 0.57

00:20:50.000 The ground, right?

00:20:51.480 Opens up and swallows them alive and fireballs come from the heavens to consume them.

00:20:57.980 Wow.

00:20:58.600 And it's a bad idea to try to rebuild a temple.

00:21:03.020 God does not want.

00:21:04.160 Right.

00:21:04.740 We already got a temple.

00:21:05.920 Yeah.

00:21:06.680 It's God's people.

00:21:07.940 It's the church of Jesus Christ.

00:21:09.640 Yeah.

00:21:10.400 So don't, yeah, don't, like, if you care about not having World War III, right, don't tear

00:21:17.840 down the Al-Aqsa Mosque and try to rebuild the temple because day one of construction isn't going

00:21:24.200 to look so pretty. It'll look like that. Yeah. So this idea that, you know, the Jews aren't

00:21:30.800 Christians, but, you know, there's people in the modern, you know, nation state of Israel that they 0.88

00:21:37.460 are, you know, the genetic descendants of Abraham and that there's still this hangover promise for 0.81

00:21:42.660 them in our future that you know they either you know either land promises physical promises like

00:21:48.580 dispensationalists would hold you know a divine right to this land or or at minimum a lot of

00:21:54.420 supersessionist covenant guys still hold to you know there's at least spiritual promises still in

00:21:59.160 our future for the Jews a great revival that many will uh come to salvation and that that would be

00:22:04.240 kind of like the catalyst a kickstarter towards like a post-millennial golden age many of the

00:22:08.760 puritans held to that view at all not all uh not all but uh but many of them held to that john owen

00:22:13.740 is one of them yeah yeah so but my point is uh it doesn't seem it doesn't seem like uh richard

00:22:21.060 the lionheart or duke godfrey or you've read defenders of the west yeah yeah and sword and

00:22:27.860 scimitar yeah all of those guys and god's battalions yeah yeah were they thinking that

00:22:32.320 yes i i am a male uh with testosterone so yes i read those books of course i did everybody read

00:22:38.380 those books if you didn't you know then you should you should and you also need to do you

00:22:42.200 know our you know um with uh you know the uh the return of the strong gods yeah you know if you're

00:22:48.760 yeah if you're um if you if you don't know what the post-war consensus is and you don't realize

00:22:54.820 that the crusades were good not perfect but good um then uh you just you missed a whole year where

00:23:01.040 you need to be on twitter more that's right exactly so but what i was going to say is these

00:23:06.500 guys, when you think of the crusades, what are they trying to do? Like they're trying to capture

00:23:10.660 Jerusalem, but they're not trying to, these are not the Christians spending their wealth 0.98

00:23:17.580 or their lives, the lives of their people to capture Jerusalem for the Jews so that they can

00:23:23.240 bring them back to the land, build the temple so we can have Jesus come. No, they're saying it 0.77

00:23:26.800 cannot be the center of Islam. Yeah. It also cannot be the center of Judaism. Jerusalem is a 0.97

00:23:33.100 Christian city. Yeah, it belongs to Christ. They wanted to capture it for Christ. Now, some of

00:23:36.780 their views, I mean, they maybe had a superstitious or mystical view of Jerusalem that it's holier

00:23:43.800 than anywhere else, right? Wherever God's people are gathered, right? That's Jerusalem, right?

00:23:50.320 That's Mount Zion, right? So, when we sing the Psalms, and it's all these Psalms about Mount

00:23:53.980 Zion and Jerusalem and these blessings to Israel, right? It's not anachronistic. It's not

00:24:00.740 replacement theology to say, where is Israel? It's where Christ is. And where is he? When his

00:24:07.420 people gather, when two or three are gathered in my name, there I am among them. It's when God's

00:24:13.220 people gather together to worship, there he is, and there is Mount Zion right there. And so,

00:24:19.540 as Richard the Lionheart is gathering his army to battle, and they're worshiping the entire time

00:24:25.400 on the way down there, right?

00:24:27.120 They're already in Jerusalem, right?

00:24:28.820 So they have this medieval view of the Holy Land, right?

00:24:33.320 The Holy Land that's holier there

00:24:34.840 than it is back in England or in France.

00:24:37.460 But even you and I,

00:24:39.380 we would still acknowledge that, yes,

00:24:43.460 wherever the church gathers, two or three in my name,

00:24:46.240 and that's not just talking about two or three people

00:24:48.300 on a Tuesday afternoon with an ovation,

00:24:50.300 acoustic guitar, the gym day scene, you know,

00:24:53.080 kumbaya, my Lord, kumbaya.

00:24:54.960 it's not that it's not in your college dorm room you know it's word and sacrament being offered

00:25:00.240 yes this is matthew 18 when jesus says that it's in the same context as tell it to the church

00:25:05.520 it's church discipline so it's talking about christ being um christ is always present by

00:25:10.020 virtue of the indwelling ministry of the holy spirit for believers uh the spirit exudes the

00:25:14.600 ministry and the spirit of the resurrected christ so christ is present even if you're an individual

00:25:19.620 Christian, in isolation, in confinement because of persecution, Christ is with you. But Jesus is

00:25:25.780 promising in Matthew 18 to be especially, or we might say uniquely, present on the Lord's Day,

00:25:32.060 when the church is gathered on the Lord's Day for church, and he's present for the purpose of

00:25:36.000 authority. Yeah, present in the same way that God was present in the Holy of Holies, in the

00:25:41.060 tabernacle, and the temple, right? His glory cloud comes down, smoke fills the temple, and there's

00:25:46.180 his presence and in the old covenant right you couldn't get too close or you get burned up right

00:25:51.420 right new covenant he's present there he is glory cloud is coming down this is what we you know in

00:25:56.740 liturgy in my church in many churches right when you when you're saying right with angels and

00:26:01.460 archangels and all the company of heaven that's actually literally happening when god's people

00:26:05.580 they gather together in worship right you are in the temple you're in the holy of holies

00:26:09.960 worshiping christ he's present there among you've drawn near to him and he's especially present in

00:26:16.000 that way yes and so you and i have that view that that happens anywhere the church gathers on the

00:26:20.580 lord's day um for the word to be rightly preached the sacraments rightly administered um there a

00:26:27.080 church of god exists even if it swarms with many faults john calvin wherever the church gathers on

00:26:31.800 the lord's day whether it be in in asia or whether it be in russia or whether it be here in these

00:26:36.400 united states uh that is in the truest ultimate highest sense or gaza or gaza amen yeah that in

00:26:44.040 the truest, highest, eternal sense is Jerusalem. That is the holy city of God. That is the third

00:26:49.620 temple. And Christ is right there as the cornerstone in our midst. That said, there is something still

00:26:55.660 valuable in the temporal, earthly plane. And historically speaking of saying, yeah, and we

00:27:01.220 also want to, we realize that in the eternal spiritual sense, the church, wherever she is,

00:27:08.120 is Jerusalem. And also, that piece of land also belongs to Christ. And in a symbolic sense,

00:27:15.580 in a historical sense, as a monument to God's glory and His faithfulness and His God, yeah,

00:27:21.360 we want to take Jerusalem. And also, even in an economic sense, in a foreign affairs,

00:27:28.160 peace sense, if the Crusaders, the Christian Crusaders had won, the world would be different. 0.96

00:27:34.060 it would be better. 0.97

00:27:36.160 It would be better, unequivocally better. 1.00

00:27:38.640 Or even if the British 0.91

00:27:40.420 just maintained 0.98

00:27:42.080 the Palestinian 0.78

00:27:44.620 mandate, and it was just a colony

00:27:46.200 of their British colonies the whole time. 0.97

00:27:48.820 Are a hell of a drug. 0.93

00:27:51.220 And it has been

00:27:52.480 unceasing war ever since.

00:27:54.860 Just think about it.

00:27:56.500 Ask of me, and I'll give you the nations as my inheritance.

00:27:59.040 The nations belong to Christ.

00:28:00.600 He ascends to the right hand of the Father,

00:28:02.180 And that's all authority in heaven and earth are given to him.

00:28:05.440 All the nations belong to him. 0.94

00:28:07.520 But then, right, the dispensationalists will say, except one little stretch of land, there are these everlasting promises to a particular ethnic group that they get to have that. 0.82

00:28:20.600 Jesus gets to have everything else. 0.90

00:28:22.500 Right.

00:28:22.700 Right.

00:28:23.040 No.

00:28:24.040 No, that land belongs to Jesus.

00:28:27.060 Right.

00:28:27.180 He is the seed of Abraham.

00:28:29.560 Right.

00:28:29.780 The true seed of Abraham, the faithful one, right, that kept and maintained the promises, right, by faith, right, not by the law.

00:28:39.260 And that stretch of land, that real estate, that's his, that that belongs to him and to his people, right, to his co-heirs, the church.

00:28:48.760 To Abraham was promised a particular land, but to his seed, and Paul says this explicitly in the New Testament, not seeds, plural, but seeds, singular.

00:28:58.300 So, the seed is not Israel as a nation, but Christ as one particular descendant.

00:29:05.360 There aren't multiple covenants happening at the same time.

00:29:07.400 That's right.

00:29:08.200 So, to Abraham is promised a particular land, but to a seed, that is Christ, is promised all the land.

00:29:15.000 Yeah, including that particular land.

00:29:16.560 Including that particular land, all the land.

00:29:18.900 But then, furthermore, we as the New Testament church, as Christians,

00:29:22.940 have a union by the Spirit, through faith, with Christ, branches attached to the vine,

00:29:29.680 from whom is the source of all nourishment and spiritual blessings and tangible blessings.

00:29:35.580 And we have been named as co-heirs with Christ. So, anything that is promised by God

00:29:43.580 to Christ belongs rightfully to us.

00:29:47.940 Yeah. So, what, Joel, you're calling for right now is another crusade to go retake.

00:29:51.220 I was about to say, there are ways to do these things that are unhinged and stupid. And there 1.00

00:29:56.460 are ways to do these things that are ethical, principles of just war theory and all these

00:30:01.040 things. So there are lots of disclaimers. These things apply. And for the record, just for the

00:30:07.020 record, I do not believe that Israel, the modern state of Israel today, has a divine right to that

00:30:15.040 land. But let me just explain what I mean by that. I don't believe that America has a divine right.

00:30:21.220 to this land or Brazil has a, I don't believe that any nation or any peoples on the earth has

00:30:25.720 a divine right. What I mean by that is everybody has a providential right. You're there, you're

00:30:31.560 there. And so whether the land was taken unethically or whether it was settled in an ethical

00:30:37.040 way, whether, however you got there, every piece of land that's currently occupied and ruled by

00:30:42.640 a particular people, that land was taken or settled from some other people. And all that

00:30:48.540 happened under the banner of the sovereignty of God, who's sovereign and providential over all

00:30:52.780 things. And so here's the deal. Do I think that modern Jews should have been placed smack dab in

00:31:00.560 the middle of a bunch of Muslims? Is that a great idea? No, I don't think that's a great idea. No, 1.00

00:31:05.320 I think that was historically, I think we'll eventually look back and say that that was one

00:31:08.740 of the biggest mistakes that the West got involved and made happen because it wouldn't have been

00:31:13.600 achieved without us. And we wouldn't have done it without dispensationalism. So we'll look and say,

00:31:19.400 whoa, that was one of the biggest theological psyops that caused, and here's the thing,

00:31:23.460 theology, what you believe, has political consequences. So we believe bad theology.

00:31:29.060 We then made bad political decisions. It then resulted in bad consequences, unceasing war

00:31:36.000 for decades now. And eventually, I think we'll look back and say, that was a really bad decision.

00:31:40.560 However, the point is that within God's providence,

00:31:44.240 God is sovereign over all things,

00:31:45.580 not just good decisions, but also poor decisions.

00:31:48.780 And so here's the deal.

00:31:51.000 Regardless of whether or not it was the right decision,

00:31:53.080 and I think it was a very wrong decision

00:31:54.740 to put Israel in 1948. 0.99

00:31:57.780 However, God ordained that. 0.93

00:32:01.420 But he did not, it's not a divine right.

00:32:03.460 What I mean is God did not ordain it

00:32:05.420 as a fulfillment of prophecy in the Old Testament.

00:32:08.400 Yeah, it's a, it's, you're, this is a descript, you're describing God's will. It's not proscriptive.

00:32:14.120 It's not prescriptive. It's descriptive. So this is not a prescriptive prophecy, Old Testament

00:32:18.840 prophecy that Israel must exist and it must have this land and it must rebuild this third temple

00:32:25.080 and it must, no, none of this is a fulfillment to eschatological prophecy. Yeah. That's wrong.

00:32:30.300 It's history playing out. That's right. However, in the providence of God, Israel, the modern state

00:32:35.200 of Israel still has a right, a temporal, or I should maybe even say a current or present right 0.58

00:32:42.960 to that land in the same way that Americans do. It's not a divine prophecy that, oh, this is our

00:32:48.300 land and it will be for all of time until the end of the age. No, no, no. We can be kicked out of

00:32:52.420 the land. We can be conquered by a nation. We could lose a war. But currently, Americans have 0.99

00:32:59.840 this land that all things that happened, happened to the providence of God. So in that sense, God

00:33:04.440 did ordain it, and we have a right to self-defense. And I would say the same for Israel. They have a

00:33:09.580 right to self-defense. It is currently their land, but they do not have an eternal, indefinite,

00:33:15.060 divine right. And one day, Israel, the modern, I'm speaking of the modern state of Israel,

00:33:22.680 will lose the land. It will belong to Christians, and it may belong to those particular people. 0.99

00:33:29.140 Or their descendants. Or their descendants who will become Christians and convert to Christ 0.74

00:33:34.180 because the knowledge of the glory of God

00:33:36.120 will cover the whole earth as the waters cover the sea.

00:33:38.200 Yeah, amen.

00:33:39.760 I think, I mean, along those lines,

00:33:42.240 an interesting point,

00:33:43.620 I mean, just in dealing with some of the objections

00:33:46.480 to this view of Romans 11 is,

00:33:51.280 especially like the Puritan view

00:33:53.440 or the majority report reform view on Romans 11 is,

00:34:01.900 right, well, this particular people,

00:34:04.180 Ethnic Israel, people who practice Judaism and so forth, they have to perpetually exist as a distinct people, a distinct ethno-religious group forever in order for this promise to be fulfilled. 0.77

00:34:22.400 But if you look at demographic trends in post-war, post-war consensus, secularist world, that has hit Jews very hard, especially the secular Jews, but even religious ones as well. 0.87

00:34:44.260 It's like a well-known joke now. 0.54

00:34:47.780 What's the difference between Donald Trump and a Jewish rabbi?

00:34:55.720 I don't know. Tell me.

00:34:57.320 Trump has Jewish grandchildren.

00:34:59.380 Right. I mean, and so it's a real thing.

00:35:02.220 Right. I mean, if there's Jewish people watching this, maybe hate watching this, that's a concern that they have is they do not have grandchildren.

00:35:09.960 And their kids, or if they do have grandchildren, their children are marrying, you know, non-Jews and they're not maintaining traditions and they're just assimilating into other people. 0.68

00:35:17.020 Because secularism doesn't value posterity. 0.85

00:35:18.960 Just living for YOLO, you only live once in your own generation. 0.52

00:35:22.280 And if all religions are all kind of the same, none of it really matters. 0.98

00:35:25.840 And so much of secularism, correct me if I'm wrong or if you need a disclaimer or nuance, but so much of secularism has come out of modern Jews. 0.87

00:35:33.680 Yeah, I don't think, I mean, people can notice that the leading academics and theorists and cultural figures that have pushed secularism have largely been Jewish. 0.90

00:35:47.080 Disproportionately Jewish. 0.97

00:35:48.180 Yeah, I don't think that's controversial to say, just a fact. 1.00

00:35:51.260 And it has come back to bite their own people.

00:35:54.780 Right.

00:35:55.020 And part of the reason we're doing this is, one, for younger guys to be able to articulate their view. 0.74

00:36:00.920 They wouldn't just be unhinged and be just, I hate Israel.

00:36:03.600 Why? 0.93

00:36:03.940 I can't really tell you why. 0.59

00:36:05.040 I just hate them.

00:36:05.620 Yeah, it's just bad.

00:36:06.800 Yeah, or something.

00:36:07.260 We're not trying to do that.

00:36:08.180 No, we want to say, no, there are theological reasons for not supporting the nation state of Israel.

00:36:14.580 Certainly not with billions of dollars.

00:36:16.940 And there are theological reasons also for recognizing that there's just those in Christ and those who are not.

00:36:24.520 There's not this third category of Christian adjacent.

00:36:27.500 So there are all these theological things that we need to understand.

00:36:30.320 And one of the things I'd like to do, at least in one of these episodes in the series, is

00:36:33.820 talk about the Talmud, because I think it's also helpful to recognize not just modern 0.63

00:36:37.980 Jews as unbelievers, but I would say at the level of the heart, no worse than anybody 1.00

00:36:43.640 else, total depravity, because you can't really get much more depraved than that. 1.00

00:36:46.960 So total depravity. 1.00

00:36:48.360 So all unbelievers, whether they be Muslims or agnostics or atheists or Jews, all unbelievers 1.00

00:36:54.340 are totally depraved at the level of the heart. 1.00

00:36:55.840 But in terms of political and economic and cultural actions, outward behaviors, I do think that not all, but some Jews are uniquely pernicious. 1.00

00:37:09.960 Like motivated by a hatred or antipathy to Christianity. 0.98

00:37:13.620 Because Islam says that Jesus is not the son of God, but he's an esteemed prophet.

00:37:18.860 Buddhists esteem Christ, not as the son of God, but as a prophet. 0.56

00:37:22.580 Every major world religion carves out at least some, it tips the hat to Jesus. 0.87

00:37:29.620 But the Talmud does not.

00:37:31.880 Only in terms of major world religions, there is only one that not only does not receive Christ as God,

00:37:40.420 rejects his divinity, but goes further in an outright hostility.

00:37:45.540 It says that he's burning in, boiling. 0.98

00:37:49.980 Yeah, feces and hell, yeah. 0.93

00:37:52.580 So not only are Jews, Judaism is what, because Jews can come to Christ, but the actual religion itself. 0.96

00:38:00.780 Not only is Judaism not Christian adjacent, but it is arguably the most Christian hostile in terms of major world religions. 0.82

00:38:11.400 I think it's important to look at it this way. 0.99

00:38:14.620 And yeah, I don't want to sound like, oh, these are the worst people ever at all, all this kind of stuff.

00:38:18.580 But I think in terms of like theologically, like looking at it from a theological perspective, right?

00:38:22.680 Just think about, because you see this all the time, like, oh, there are older brothers in the faith or they're really close to Christ because they have the Torah.

00:38:29.840 They have the Old Testament.

00:38:31.120 They just need the New Testament.

00:38:32.500 That argument is brought out.

00:38:33.900 All the time.

00:38:34.580 You know, ad infinitum.

00:38:37.280 And, but think about it this way, right?

00:38:39.920 If I were going to go, you know, over to the HEB, right?

00:38:45.300 And I was going to make a counterfeit $100.

00:38:47.060 Herbert E. Butts.

00:38:48.060 Right, yeah.

00:38:48.580 blessing if i'm going to make a counterfeit hundred dollar bill to pay for for my stakes

00:38:52.400 that i get over there right um i'm going to counterfeit the hundred dollar bill if i have

00:38:56.460 my four-year-old make a counterfeit hundred dollar bill with her crayons right that's that's probably

00:39:03.460 not a huge threat to the heb and i'm not going to be able to steal a hundred bucks worth of stake

00:39:07.780 from them with that but if if i go and i get like a like a four or an 8k digital scanner

00:39:13.940 and I get it really, really, really close

00:39:16.760 where it's indistinguishable from a real $100 bill.

00:39:19.700 And I even put a little ribbon in the middle

00:39:21.160 that they got now.

00:39:22.260 And I bring that in there, right?

00:39:25.780 Hand it to the cashier.

00:39:26.860 I could walk away and steal a hundred bucks worth of stake, right?

00:39:29.140 A counterfeit that looks very close, right?

00:39:32.380 The closer in proximity it is to the real thing,

00:39:34.860 the genuine article, the more of a danger,

00:39:37.240 the more of a threat that it is to the genuine article. 0.89

00:39:41.000 And so Buddhism, very far from Christianity, 1.00

00:39:43.940 islam right you know more of a threat to christianity than islam is a little bit closer 0.99

00:39:48.420 it's this reversion to the old covenant world right um but judaism has half the bible there 0.95

00:39:55.820 and they say this part of the bible that god says is all about jesus is not and we don't believe in

00:40:02.220 him we don't trust him and he and then you have i mean the talmud is hard because right really it's

00:40:08.000 just writing down a debate club so it's not like all right here's this is the catechism of judaism

00:40:13.660 right? It's like, well, this rabbi says this, this rabbi says that. It's hard to pin down

00:40:18.520 the doctrine where it's like, okay, not everybody believes the part about, you know, Jesus boiling

00:40:23.480 in feces. Well, it's similar to the Quran. The Quran directly contradicts itself, but the more 0.81

00:40:28.480 recent passages will override the earlier passages. Yeah. And so I want to be, I don't

00:40:34.520 want to be like histrionic or outlandish or anything like that. Because a lot of people

00:40:38.200 bring up that passage. We want to be persuasive. And the way to be persuasive is to not exaggerate.

00:40:43.820 Yeah, just tell the truth about it.

00:40:45.080 Some of the guys, and some of these guys are, I think,

00:40:48.380 they have a right sense, but they're not,

00:40:52.160 even if they're right, they're not,

00:40:54.220 I tell my friends all the time,

00:40:55.500 I don't want to just be right, I want to win.

00:40:57.900 Yeah, I want to be right, and I want to be accurate.

00:40:59.360 I want to tell the truth.

00:41:00.960 So even if in general you have the right position, 1.00

00:41:03.040 you recognize, man, Judaism actually is pernicious. 1.00

00:41:06.660 And that's true. 1.00

00:41:07.620 But if you are unhinged and too hyperbolic 0.97

00:41:11.840 and exaggeratory. 0.91

00:41:13.480 What happens is that

00:41:14.920 you don't win people over.

00:41:17.120 You actually just reinforce them

00:41:18.720 to dig their heels more

00:41:19.960 and all your boomer parents

00:41:23.740 just become even more dispensational.

00:41:26.600 They're like,

00:41:26.900 I'm going to write two checks this month.

00:41:28.540 Yeah, that's right. 0.86

00:41:29.780 Because my son's an anti-Semite, 0.77

00:41:31.600 I'm writing two checks.

00:41:32.780 And you don't want to come across that way

00:41:34.940 or be perceived that way.

00:41:36.580 It's like, well, no, it's just,

00:41:38.520 it's having an accurate picture

00:41:41.120 of where things really are, right?

00:41:43.480 Because this idea of Judeo-Christian, right?

00:41:46.640 That we're pretty much the same thing. 0.57

00:41:48.620 That's fine.

00:41:50.960 There are older brothers in the faith.

00:41:52.840 Like the Judeo is just the Old Testament,

00:41:55.100 the Ten Commandments and everything. 0.98

00:41:56.380 And then you get the New Testament, that's Christian. 0.74

00:41:58.300 And it's like, no, the whole Bible is Christ. 0.68

00:42:00.400 The whole Bible is the church.

00:42:02.600 They don't get to claim it, actually, 0.76

00:42:04.920 because they rejected Jesus. 0.77

00:42:07.500 Well, the Old Testament is his, right? 0.99

00:42:09.020 It's all Christian. 0.99

00:42:10.280 And so, right, it is a religion that is opposed to Christianity. 0.96

00:42:15.880 There can be no, you know, partnership in theological terms, maybe in political and different things. 0.59

00:42:21.660 Like you can have, right, if you have Jewish neighbors in your neighborhood and you want to, you know, get, you know, you want to oppose transgenderism and they're very religious Jews and things like that, you can work with them.

00:42:32.280 You can do things like that. 0.63

00:42:33.500 But on the religious sense, you don't say we're going to have an interfaith prayer time.

00:42:38.760 Right. 0.75

00:42:38.840 Well, we're not praying to the same God, right?

00:42:41.360 I like him.

00:42:42.180 He's a good neighbor.

00:42:42.740 He's a great guy.

00:42:43.760 But we don't worship the same God, right?

00:42:47.200 They don't worship the triune God. 0.85

00:42:48.640 Right.

00:42:49.060 And so, this is, there's an oppositional relationship that is there. 0.66

00:42:54.840 And what dispensationalism does, what Christian Zionism does, what all of this does is just papers over it and pretends that the oppositional nature is not there whatsoever

00:43:06.280 between the two very separate and distinct religions, right? 0.86

00:43:10.760 And so it's like you disarm yourself.

00:43:13.380 But the other group, I don't think, thinks about it that way.

00:43:17.660 They don't think, oh, yeah, the Christians, there are young.

00:43:20.680 When have you heard a, like, Ben Shapiro or someone say,

00:43:23.900 yeah, you're my younger brother in the faith, right?

00:43:26.340 They don't say that.

00:43:27.240 They don't think about it that way.

00:43:29.840 And so they understand, no, we are a different religion.

00:43:32.660 You saw this a few months ago with Andrew Klavan, who I believe was a Jewish man, but converted to Christianity, works for the Daily Wire.

00:43:42.460 That's his testimony.

00:43:43.660 Personally, I did a whole video on it, but God alone sees the heart.

00:43:48.660 But personally, from outward—

00:43:50.800 From what he said. 0.99

00:43:51.780 From his own profession, I would reject that he's a Christian. 0.67

00:43:55.620 Yeah, because he doesn't want his boss, Ben Shapiro, who is a Jew, to come to Christ. 0.89

00:43:59.860 Right. 0.79

00:44:00.620 Well, not just that.

00:44:01.560 It's not just that he doesn't want him to convert.

00:44:03.620 He's convinced that God doesn't want Ben Shapiro to convert

00:44:06.360 because it'd be hard on him.

00:44:08.580 Be hard on him and the effect of the thing.

00:44:11.260 And because God is using him in all these ways,

00:44:13.860 that that would be bad.

00:44:15.740 What Andrew Clavin communicated was,

00:44:17.900 it's not just that he communicated Judaism.

00:44:20.260 Yeah.

00:44:20.800 He communicated universalism.

00:44:22.820 Yeah.

00:44:23.500 That's explicitly.

00:44:25.260 And Judeo-Christian is, I think, a species of universalism.

00:44:29.760 It is.

00:44:30.100 Yeah.

00:44:31.560 We have to reject that training. 0.57

00:44:33.680 By God's grace, I really do think this is the last generation. 0.88

00:44:36.760 Could you see the spike if you track language?

00:44:38.900 Oh, yeah, with the N-gram.

00:44:39.700 Nobody used Judeo-Christian ever.

00:44:42.040 Before the 20th century. 0.79

00:44:43.320 Until the 20th century, the 1930s, 40s.

00:44:46.480 And I think by God's grace, I think it'll be a thing of history.

00:44:51.220 Yeah, I might.

00:44:51.660 Because it is an oxymoron.

00:44:53.120 Yeah, my concern with it too is, right, it can go one of two ways.

00:44:57.460 I think that trend, you're absolutely right, is true and correct. 1.00

00:45:01.560 And the more resistant Christians are, Big Eva Christians, especially, but even in the Reformed world, the more resistant we are to having these conversations and talking about these things, the worse it is going to be when these things are ultimately rejected. 0.99

00:45:19.060 Because you won't have guys like us who are having this conversation in a very sane and reasonable way. 0.99

00:45:24.040 Well, because there will always be leaders.

00:45:25.280 Here's the thing. If you just stand like Gandalf on the middle of the bridge, you shall not pass. It must be the middle way. You shall not pass from feminism to patriarchy, but complementarianism. And you shall not pass. That's been evangelicals for the past 20 to 40 years.

00:45:48.960 you shall not pass to cessationism nor shall you stay with charismatic it but but it will be open

00:45:54.980 but cautious you know and like every little thing has been a if you do a third way move on this one

00:46:00.880 yeah um the evidence is so overwhelming yeah you can't make people not notice and we're going to

00:46:07.460 get into this because we do need to talk about how no it's not every jew no of course not but

00:46:11.780 we do need to talk about um the percentages of of uh of people who own porn companies yeah the

00:46:17.760 percentage, like, we do need to talk about some of these things. And here's the deal. It's not

00:46:22.060 going away. It's not going away. People have already noticed. They're going to continue to

00:46:27.700 notice. And then what happens is that if you just stand like Gandalf and try to keep the

00:46:33.420 Belrog from going to the other side of the chasm, what's going to happen in this scenario is that 1.00

00:46:39.060 all these young men are going to get to the other side, and it will be a movement, and every

00:46:45.240 movement will have leaders. But in this case, what it will mean is that there will be no mature

00:46:49.680 leaders. There will be no mature leaders that will lead them and restrain them and teach them

00:46:56.120 to operate in a faithful Christ-like way. It'll be unhinged. It'll be leaders who have gone down

00:47:01.500 the rabbit hole with the tea being silent. You know, it'll be leaders who have gone down the

00:47:05.980 rabbit hole. Took me a second. It's a good one. The tea is silent. But it'll be leaders who like

00:47:11.820 They've done their 1,000 hours of research on YouTube.

00:47:17.960 Hopefully, this will be included.

00:47:19.520 Yeah, and hopefully, this will be included.

00:47:21.040 But here's the thing.

00:47:22.120 They won't know systematic theology.

00:47:24.600 No.

00:47:25.140 They won't know Bovink.

00:47:26.740 They won't know historic Protestant theology and what we believe.

00:47:30.820 And this is, I mean, I spoke at a conference recently on this topic that Protestant Christianity, and in particular, American Protestantism, and this is something that Stephen said when we were in Ogden, is historically very, very tolerant of minority views, minority religions, things like this, tolerant of Judaism.

00:47:55.960 and it was able to because it said, right, 0.83

00:47:59.120 we have hegemony, right?

00:48:00.560 This is a Christian nation.

00:48:02.280 We are going to be Christians.

00:48:03.880 You could be here.

00:48:04.720 We'll have laws that will protect you.

00:48:06.360 No one will harm you, harass you.

00:48:08.220 Right.

00:48:08.940 You won't get to be in charge.

00:48:10.140 You don't get to be in charge.

00:48:11.280 And because you have the strength of that,

00:48:14.180 you are able to tolerate other groups and protect them.

00:48:18.120 Right.

00:48:18.480 And that historically is what we did. 1.00

00:48:20.140 If Christians have power, 1.00

00:48:21.320 it doesn't set the stage for Christians

00:48:23.120 to then persecute.

00:48:24.340 No. 0.68

00:48:24.540 What it does is it actually secures the stage so that if Christians have power, then we can afford to have people who disagree with us here and we can give them equal rights and privileges under the law, but not equal elected office. 0.73

00:48:39.320 Or political power or anything else. 0.91

00:48:41.600 You don't get to be in charge.

00:48:43.000 Right. Any society, the stronger you are, the more tolerant you will be of other groups.

00:48:50.600 Right. 1.00

00:48:50.980 It's one that is in danger of being subverted that then lashes out against minority groups. 0.79

00:48:57.020 And so the best thing, if we want to flip the paradigm around, the best thing for American Jews would be, and maybe Yoram Hazoni will listen to this, although he's Israeli, I think. 0.80

00:49:09.000 But America, for them, the best thing that could possibly be would be for America to return to its Protestant Christian roots and being an exclusively Christian country. 0.91

00:49:21.540 Amen. 0.99

00:49:21.940 Right?

00:49:22.180 Holding to that firmly, strongly, where the Christian religion does not allow itself to be subverted from the outside or from the inside.

00:49:30.500 Then you can tolerate different groups.

00:49:33.740 You can tolerate atheists.

00:49:35.020 You can tolerate agnostics.

00:49:36.360 You can tolerate people who practice Judaism.

00:49:39.000 and you won't persecute them

00:49:42.020 because they are not a threat to you.

00:49:43.260 And as Stephen Wolf has also said,

00:49:44.520 atheism will be crushed, but not atheists.

00:49:47.000 But atheism will be crushed in the sense

00:49:48.820 that you won't have state schools

00:49:50.920 teaching atheism to children as a curriculum.

00:49:53.820 And so too, you will not have schools

00:49:55.720 teaching the Talmud to children.

00:49:57.540 As a social, political, cultural force,

00:50:00.560 it'll be crushed. 1.00

00:50:01.060 You will have the Christian faith, the Bible. 0.98

00:50:02.700 But atheists, meaning people, 1.00

00:50:05.700 Jews, meaning people,

00:50:07.120 that they would be permitted to remain as citizens with equal protections, 1.00

00:50:13.600 even to practice their religion, which we believe is wrong and affront to God, 0.95

00:50:18.280 but to practice it privately.

00:50:20.900 You don't have the secret Christian police rounding people up in their private homes.

00:50:26.040 And say, we're going to re-educate you.

00:50:27.860 No, no.

00:50:28.560 That's the thing people freak out about and lose their minds over,

00:50:31.360 but that's not historically what we thought. 0.83

00:50:33.480 But the way to get there, though, is for Christians to seize power. 0.96

00:50:38.160 Yeah, yeah. 0.98

00:50:38.920 And if we, if, when we do, when the Christian church, when historic Protestant Christianity from America, what America was founded with returns, right, then you have the strength to be able to have a society like that.

00:50:56.600 You have to have strength in order to have tolerance.

00:50:59.720 Yeah.

00:50:59.940 When you're weak and threatened and on the verge of being killed, tolerance is a luxury for strength.

00:51:08.960 You can't afford tolerance to your enemies if they're about to kill you.

00:51:13.080 Yeah, look who has power now.

00:51:14.760 Look who has power now in our society.

00:51:18.500 It's secularism.

00:51:20.040 It's secularists.

00:51:21.280 It is people who want secularism to be at the very top.

00:51:25.460 What are they threatened by?

00:51:27.100 Who do they want to persecute?

00:51:28.460 Who do they want to?

00:51:28.980 Like us and our churches and Christians who are politically assertive and culturally assertive, that is who's public enemy number one.

00:51:36.260 So the principle of a strong, healthy society, if secularist society could be strong, it wouldn't be threatened by Christianity, but it very much so is.

00:51:48.440 And so that's why I think that's a huge white pill is that we threaten them.

00:51:53.500 You're not threatened by something that you're not afraid of.

00:51:55.720 That's right.

00:51:56.420 All right.

00:51:56.720 Thanks for tuning in.

00:51:58.220 God bless.

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The NXR Podcast - October 11, 2024

THE FRIDAY SPECIAL - Why Talmudic Judaism Is A Perversion Of The Old Testament with Andrew Isker

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