The NXR Podcast - THE INTERVIEW - 10 Fastest-Growing Cults In America (In 30 Minutes!) with Andrew & Jeremiah from Cultish

00:00:00.080 In 30 minutes, we'll cover 10 of the most dangerous cults right here in America.

00:00:06.260 Here's our list right up front.

00:00:08.520 Number one, the Divine Feminine and Taylor Swift.

00:00:12.120 Number two, Transhumanism and Artificial Intelligence.

00:00:15.740 Number three, DMT and the Astral Realm.

00:00:19.320 Number four, Burning Man.

00:00:21.040 Number five, Neo-Paganism.

00:00:23.260 Number six, the Occult. 0.81

00:00:25.120 Number seven, the Greys.

00:00:26.900 Number eight, Sinontology. 0.98

00:00:29.020 number nine, Mormonism, and number 10, Jehovah's Witnesses. We're going to spend about three 0.98

00:00:34.840 minutes per cult. Here we go. Applying God's word to every aspect of life. This is Theology Applied.

00:00:48.340 Welcome back to another episode of Theology Applied. I am your host, Pastor Joel Webin,

00:00:52.740 here with Right Response Ministries. And today I am very privileged to welcome

00:00:56.440 back to the show. It is technically their second time, but it's been probably a couple years

00:01:01.560 since we've had you guys on the show. We've got Andrew and Jeremiah, both part of Apologia Church,

00:01:07.360 two separate Apologia Churches, but sister churches, one is a plant of the other,

00:01:12.080 and they're the co-host of a show that you're probably familiar with. It's called

00:01:15.980 Cultish. Guys, thanks for coming on. Glad to be here, man. Yeah, I'm excited, man.

00:01:22.540 Well, this is what we want to do.

00:01:24.180 So this is kind of, it's two functions here.

00:01:27.680 We're trying to achieve two purposes simultaneously.

00:01:30.840 One is we're giving people a heads up.

00:01:34.720 It's a bit of a teaser, a trailer for a recording project that the three of us are going to

00:01:38.940 be doing together.

00:01:40.220 So with Right Response Ministries, we've started this year a show on Fridays that we call the

00:01:45.660 Friday Special.

00:01:46.300 And instead of it just being a singular episode, it is a season-based show.

00:01:51.080 So we have a new season every quarter.

00:01:53.440 So for Q1, we've been doing the Boniface option with Andrew Isker and Aidy Robles and myself.

00:01:59.560 Q2 is going to be coming out in April.

00:02:02.700 So that's right around the corner.

00:02:04.040 And that's with Haunted Cosmos, Brian Sauve and Ben Garrett and Q3.

00:02:09.340 Thanks to you guys being gracious enough to oblige is with Cultish.

00:02:13.800 And so it's going to be the three of us.

00:02:15.100 And the goal is to do a whole season, a 10-part season, 10 episodes where we devote an hour in each episode to some major cults and false religions.

00:02:26.200 So what I'd like to do today is, one, put this on people's radar, subscribe to our channel.

00:02:31.640 If you're not subscribed already, click the bell so you'll be alerted when we come out with new content so that you can catch this quarter three of the Friday special with Cultish.

00:02:40.360 but today I was thinking I wonder if and I don't even know if we could do it it's up to you guys

00:02:45.900 and if you're up for the challenge but I wonder if we could do the short version I wonder if we

00:02:50.080 could just give people give all our secrets away and just let them know these these are the 10

00:02:55.240 cults that we're going to cover all 10 of them all 10 episodes that you'll get longer form 60

00:02:59.800 minutes thorough on on each of them but give all 10 of them today in about half an hour and take

00:03:05.660 just a couple minutes on each one to explain this is what it is this is why it's bad do you think

00:03:12.200 we could do that we should man jerry jerry let's go let's go let's go let's go divine all right

00:03:17.040 first one divine feminine and taylor swift jerry taylor swift and the divine feminine so we are

00:03:23.120 going to kick things off into high gear when we are in austin texas with you in april so we are

00:03:28.240 going to be talking about taylor swift and why would we be talking about that in a show called

00:03:32.240 cultish well what's very interesting is that i've just people have been meshing us dming us

00:03:38.280 specifically there's a lot of people in my sphere and realm who actually who believe that taylor

00:03:43.100 swift is a witch uh believe it or not and they believe that a lot of her music is actually like

00:03:48.200 casting spells on people it's very interesting there's people who have had a record of going

00:03:53.060 to their concerts and having complete amnesia not remembering anything and then leaving later on

00:03:58.260 But a lot of that, honestly, is somewhat speculative.

00:04:01.960 We'll kind of go into why people believe that, but a lot of it is very speculative.

00:04:06.020 However, what Taylor Swift as a whole, as a person, as an artist, and also just as a piece of propaganda,

00:04:14.480 especially how the West is being conditioned through her,

00:04:18.960 she is really being utilized as a symbol to advocate for the Divine Feminine,

00:04:23.220 which really has to do with where the West is right now as far as pushing neo-paganism.

00:04:28.740 Now, when I talk about that, there's a reason why when you go into a magazine store,

00:04:33.260 you'll have 10 different magazines, all separate from each other, but they all have Taylor on the cover.

00:04:38.800 There's purpose and intent behind that.

00:04:41.640 And you better believe that what her lyrics are, what they say, who she is as a person,

00:04:47.200 she is already having a huge amount of influence.

00:04:50.080 So I know people in my sphere of people within my inner family of, you know, kids who are, you know, five, six years old who want to be like Taylor Swift when they grow up.

00:04:59.220 That's the sort of influence that she's having.

00:05:01.100 Now, is there a fundamental worldview behind that?

00:05:03.240 We're going to jump into and explore that.

00:05:05.240 So I'm really looking forward to unpacking that.

00:05:07.880 I mean, just the thumbnail, just the thumbnail in and of itself is going to get a lot of attention.

00:05:11.640 So I'm really excited to unpack that.

00:05:13.820 Right. Awesome.

00:05:14.800 Okay. Number two, transhumanism and artificial intelligence.

00:05:18.000 Andrew, do you want to get it?

00:05:19.360 excited yeah i'm excited for this one uh this is something that needs to be talked about right like

00:05:23.600 everyone's using chat gpt today uh there's mid journey where you can get art from uh even chat

00:05:29.920 gpt has a form of art that they're using but when we think about transhumanism we're thinking about

00:05:35.280 the fact that in christianity we know the wages of sin is death right uh however humanity has been

00:05:40.740 trying to figure out ways through their own means in order to circumvent death in order to live

00:05:45.520 forever ever so transhumanism in a sense of projecting your own consciousness into a software

00:05:50.700 system if that is something it is even possible they have their own philosophical framework

00:05:54.960 rather uh whether or not that their philosophical framework is true we know that biblical christianity

00:06:00.680 is true and there's certain things you know that god probably would not allow to happen in this

00:06:04.460 world but transhumanism and artificial intelligence is a topic that needs to be talked about we know

00:06:09.440 elon musk just successfully implanted the neural link chip chip in a brain and uh you know it

00:06:16.120 starts off with medical uh it's used for medical reasons like for you know for people who are blind

00:06:22.540 or whatnot just to try to help them which is great but the the main purpose of it would be to

00:06:28.860 give a faster symbiotic relationship between artificial intelligence and the human condition

00:06:33.580 so we all have a bandwidth right that we work with and the way i communicate with my phone i

00:06:38.400 already have a symbiotic relationship with it but it's as fast as i can push in the buttons in order

00:06:41.940 to get to google but imagine if that bandwidth was so much faster and i could just think in my

00:06:45.620 brain be connected to this uh cloud network that gives me information right so when we think about

00:06:52.320 transhumanism artificial intelligence we have the world trying to represent and create something

00:06:56.920 that's omniscient omnipresent and omnipotent right the attributes of god within a software

00:07:03.280 or system. So we want to speak about that. We want to breathe truth into that within even a

00:07:08.440 post-millennial framework on how we can use these things to the glory of God. But yeah, keep us

00:07:14.260 focused and solid and in the word of God, think about transhumanism and artificial intelligence.

00:07:18.620 I'm excited about that topic right there. Really well done, Andrew. The only thing I would add to

00:07:22.720 that is, so personally, I'll go ahead and show my hand. I don't think they can pull it off. I don't

00:07:28.060 think God and his providence will allow them. I do believe that we'll have elongated lifespans

00:07:31.580 per Isaiah 65, the great post-millennial hope,

00:07:34.200 the youth dies at a hundred,

00:07:35.140 but the transhumanism thing, 1.00

00:07:36.480 I don't think they'll pull it off, 0.97

00:07:37.620 but somebody will get good enough

00:07:39.460 at artificial intelligence

00:07:40.740 to be able to emulate someone's personality

00:07:43.040 to where their loved ones can,

00:07:45.080 for a handsome fee,

00:07:47.020 see their conscience uploaded,

00:07:49.540 but it's not,

00:07:50.240 the person is consciously under the torments of hell forever,

00:07:53.200 but the appearance through AI of their personality

00:07:56.680 and their memories and all this kind of stuff

00:07:58.580 has been uploaded to the cloud.

00:08:00.460 and so it's like i'm going on a virtual visit to my daughter-in-law you know who passed away in a

00:08:05.100 car accident last month it's so great to know that she's still with us that ain't her yeah i'm on the

00:08:10.320 same page as you man yep all right there you go wait wait we will have more to talk about i feel

00:08:14.920 digital necromancy it's gonna be a fun time whoa there you go necromancy that's fire so yeah coin

00:08:21.320 that phrase that's good okay back to you jeremiah number three we are going to be talking about part

00:08:26.200 three will be dmt and the astral realm so what we are going to be really tapping into is that

00:08:31.600 the usage of psychedelics uh psychoactive substances psilocybin mushrooms dmt all those

00:08:39.300 all of the sorts those have been popularized by different podcasts people like jordan peterson

00:08:43.780 people like joe rogan uh people like um russell brand a lot of the major major large platform

00:08:50.700 influencers have made a huge emphasis on psychedelic use it's really become normalized

00:08:55.260 Something that would have been seen as fringe probably 20, 30 years ago,

00:09:00.780 now is becoming something that's super normal.

00:09:02.880 People like Aaron Rodgers, who is a quarterback now for the New York Jets,

00:09:07.140 even though he played, you know, like one game, like he sprained his ankle,

00:09:11.760 he's been a huge advocate for the uses of DMT, psychedelics, ayahuasca, doing ayahuasca.

00:09:18.660 Something that usually would see someone that was down South America is now being normalized.

00:09:22.600 You have people like Machine Gun Kelly, Megan Fox, going down and doing these ayahuasca retreats where they think that somehow they're on some super spiritual experience.

00:09:33.260 What's always interesting, the reason why we're calling it DMT and they ask for realm is that people are saying, oh, you can take DMT for your different mental health clarity, for dealing with anxiety, dealing with PTSD.

00:09:43.780 But the one thing that always comes on the other side is contacting the other side, crossing over onto something.

00:09:51.120 All of them advocate that they end up somewhere in contact with something on the other side.

00:09:57.420 And so I think as Christians, it's something that we should not shy away from,

00:10:00.400 but we should have answers for.

00:10:01.900 Because the way the world is headed, we want to have apologetic answers for that. 1.00

00:10:06.300 Is taking something like that something a Christian should do? 0.91

00:10:11.840 Is this different than taking a pharmaceutical? 0.97

00:10:14.120 Is this different than taking an aspirin?

00:10:15.920 That's what we're going to talk about.

00:10:17.380 So I'm very excited to unpack that.

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00:11:32.100 Yeah. So I'll just jump in. I say the same thing because I imagine a lot of people at Burning Man

00:11:37.000 are strung out on drugs yes yeah a lot of drug uses there and a lot of just uh even there's a

00:11:44.040 lot of dmt ayahuasca workshops i have interviewed people on the podcast people who are former

00:11:48.840 burning man attendees people who are on the front lines actually doing ministry of burning man who

00:11:54.020 christians who have set up their own camp there to interact and engage with people in that world

00:11:58.560 and i think one of the things you'll realize too is that people see burning man is not just a bunch

00:12:03.640 of hippies out in the desert you're now looking at a place where some of the most prominent

00:12:08.800 influencers in the world people who are the tech giants of silicon valley they now all go out there

00:12:14.600 and it's really become sort of this new hubbub where it's all it's almost sort of like the pagan

00:12:18.900 mount sinai where they go out there they bring all their different burn camps together and they

00:12:24.620 formulate and they gather together and they collaborate with their ideas of how they're going

00:12:28.380 to spread this message of oneism and go ye into all the world so you really have uh if you think

00:12:35.000 about if you remember the old school and the old school video game where you have wario who's the

00:12:39.160 opposite of mario this is like the wario great commission where let's and it's the wario

00:12:45.220 transfiguration the wario great commission where let's go out let's have this pinnacle burning man

00:12:49.760 that's that's sort of their that's that's the transfiguration now let's go into all the world

00:12:55.320 spread our ideology. It's not just some party. There's fundamental worldviews

00:12:59.760 being taught that are totally antithetical to ours, and

00:13:03.340 it's something that's going to affect on every sphere, from the economic sphere

00:13:07.300 to the political sphere. And as you very much attest to, Joel,

00:13:11.480 that the lordship of Christ entails every aspect of life, they

00:13:15.220 believe that wholeheartedly in regards

00:13:19.320 to their worldview encompassing every part of their life. And that's what you see allocated

00:13:23.320 in Burning Man. So I think people, the more people become aware of what's going on, the more

00:13:27.740 we'll understand how to engage and reach that group and how to respond to the ideas and the

00:13:32.840 ideology coming out of Burning Man. Great. Andrew, can you do number five and six? Number five,

00:13:38.360 neo-paganism. Number six, the occult. Yeah, absolutely. So when I'm thinking of neo-paganism,

00:13:43.120 I'm thinking typically in the terms of what is becoming extremely popular today, because in our

00:13:48.020 society, I like to say this, that we're living in an age where we have the rejection of atheism 0.98

00:13:53.440 from the bastard sons of atheism, right? Rejection of the material and the pendulum is swinging so 0.98

00:13:58.800 far the other direction that they're searching for spiritual answers to spiritual questions that

00:14:04.880 they couldn't have answered from their parents. The Renaissance has died and paganism is trying

00:14:09.160 to rebirth. There's a resurrection of the dead gods that is trying to take place today. So when 0.87

00:14:13.540 I'm thinking about neo-paganism, we're thinking of Wicca, Druidry,

00:14:16.900 Astatru, which would be a form of Odinism.

00:14:19.600 These types of worships that have quote-unquote ancient forms

00:14:23.700 that we have actual no primary or contemporary sources for

00:14:27.020 other than some forms of archaeology.

00:14:29.140 But we need to be able to have a response to neo-paganism

00:14:32.780 within the world that we're living today

00:14:34.460 because these people are truly looking for spiritual answers

00:14:39.000 when they really couldn't get the questions from their parents, man.

00:14:42.600 that that's what it is and there's a form of emotionalism who am i yep yeah yep all of those

00:14:48.460 that's good yeah it's an emotional pull and uh christianity is the only one that has the answers

00:14:53.000 because in colossians 2 it states that jesus christ dethroned all of these powers when he

00:14:57.600 resurrected from the grave so these things have no power at all uh jesus christ is king and it's

00:15:02.520 it's extremely important to talk about but going on to that we have the occult when we're thinking

00:15:06.240 about uh the ancient dead religions or uh for example there's something called hermeticism

00:15:12.040 And from Hermeticism, there's a book called the Corpus Hermeticum, and the Corpus Hermeticum is where we get phrases such as, as above, so below. It's where we get the forms of alchemy that were formed, and Hermeticism, in a nutshell, was really popular around the Potomac era of the Egyptian dynasty when the Greeks were in charge of the Egyptians at that time, and it was really an amalgamation between Egyptian magic and Greek thought, and it created Hermeticism.

00:15:40.580 So from Hermeticism, we also get modern forms of Neopaganism because the books were rediscovered in the 1400s. They were translated into Latin and alchemy comes from it. And we need to talk about that today because these are things that are taking place in our society that comes from Neopaganism. And it also is something that has actually influenced Mormonism. So very interesting stuff.

00:16:05.420 Very interesting. Okay, Jeremiah, number seven, the Greys.

00:16:08.920 The greys.

00:16:09.920 So what you're going to find out here, even with all the topics you've covered, 0.98

00:16:13.220 we've even mentioned we're going to be covering,

00:16:14.740 is that every single one of these are all interconnected on some level.

00:16:19.340 So when you really talk about the greys,

00:16:21.280 this is really connected to the whole alien UFO conversation.

00:16:24.640 And one thing that's been very interesting,

00:16:26.240 I feel like we've been on this sort of needle,

00:16:29.160 this catalyst needle throughout the time of our podcast,

00:16:32.080 starting to sort of sound the alarm bell saying,

00:16:34.260 hey, this UFO conversation is serious.

00:16:36.200 this isn't just a bunch of nerds

00:16:38.360 a couple nerds in their basements sort of having

00:16:40.400 you know seeing things or claiming that they did

00:16:42.120 that's all hearsay right now

00:16:44.120 you know you have people who

00:16:45.800 everyone from officials in the highest

00:16:48.120 levels of government to F-16

00:16:50.340 fighter pilots to people

00:16:51.900 who are taking this very seriously

00:16:53.860 who have had encounters

00:16:56.180 with these and know that

00:16:58.200 they want to be able to give an answer

00:17:00.060 to these and what's always

00:17:01.500 really interesting behind the whole UFO

00:17:04.000 conversation is that

00:17:05.800 what always comes as a byproduct of these of these encounters is the fundamental fragmentation of

00:17:12.920 the person's previous assertion about the nature of reality the afterlife what their beliefs are

00:17:17.580 that always deeply affects them who they are at their very very core um and with something that

00:17:23.720 is uh there there was actually a recent uh documentary that came out called um point of

00:17:29.600 moment of contact because a lot of times people will say that oh well all the ufo conversation

00:17:34.680 That's just a bait-and-switch for the Biden administration to distract from whatever is going on.

00:17:40.160 But the reality is that the whole UFO conversation is way bigger than that.

00:17:44.580 It's gone across multiple administrations the last 50 years, both Republican and Democrat.

00:17:49.880 But just for example, this documentary is about this alien encounter, this alien crash that occurred in a place called Virginia, Brazil.

00:17:57.540 and the and everyone in this entire town attests that these weird gray aliens that had a strange

00:18:06.000 matter certain people who handled them that apparently died not long after that the whole

00:18:10.780 town swears by it but every single one has effect every single person to have this encounter

00:18:15.480 it's affected who they are what they believe about everything including faith so i think

00:18:20.960 now when it comes to the grays yeah i was just going to ask for a moment that's super helpful

00:18:26.980 but i heard another maybe it's the same story or maybe it's another one which would be crazy if

00:18:30.900 there were two accounts like this but there was um some african country i forget that the country

00:18:35.660 but it was a school a private school i think it was like a christian school is this what you're

00:18:39.920 talking about and all the students they saw an alien they say they saw an alien and that one of

00:18:45.340 the teachers he now denies it and says that's not true that's ridiculous you know that that couldn't

00:18:49.980 have happened but he you know he claimed initially to have seen it too and so uh and other a few

00:18:55.180 other teachers as well and it's like 50 60 students but the thing is like as you um and

00:19:00.820 now it's like 20 years removed they're all grown up or maybe it's 30 years removed so it's a long

00:19:04.360 time later but uh they've done interviews with each of these uh the teachers and all the students

00:19:08.700 individually um and and with a lot of the students without them even having interacted uh over the

00:19:14.520 last 30 years or or you know conferred with one another to sync up their stories but aside from

00:19:19.900 them describing the event they have the same testimony of the description the physical

00:19:23.900 description of the event and what they saw but more significant and uh to me more alarming than

00:19:28.960 that is they all um they also all talk about oh and by the way um climate change is really dangerous

00:19:36.160 and we should really care about the environment and you know like uh one world you know uh world

00:19:42.080 peace and uh one world order and is it but is that a separate account or is that what you were

00:19:47.340 describing jeremiah if i'm not yes i'm not if i'm not mistaken i believe there are two separate

00:19:52.760 instances there's what there's that there's an appearance at a school in africa there's also

00:19:56.860 an appearance over in brazil and you were talking about brazil yes yeah and so the and it just goes

00:20:05.000 to show that just those sorts of dot even if you're not the students per se that have this

00:20:09.960 encounter that's stuck with you and has been part of your story of who you are on this on on earth

00:20:14.460 for 30 years people who want to start going down this rabbit trail start getting really interested

00:20:19.540 in the UFO conversation, it always leads to the interest in alien

00:20:23.540 contact when it comes to the UFO sightings and all the evidence

00:20:27.480 that's out there. That's no here, no there. But what always comes

00:20:31.500 about as a byproduct of the interest in UFOs is the interest

00:20:35.460 in alien contact. Now, what sort of information for those who try and

00:20:39.480 do alien contact, what sort of info are you getting? Are you getting

00:20:43.200 interesting technological developments with how their spacecraft

00:20:47.060 works, or are you going to learn how to make a PlayStation 9

00:20:51.340 ahead of time so you can play the top-level virtual reality games or something?

00:20:55.440 No. What it always ends up being

00:20:58.980 is some sort of info about

00:21:01.280 some sort of spiritual download.

00:21:05.460 It's theology. Yeah, it's theological in nature.

00:21:09.860 Is Jesus really the Son of God?

00:21:13.580 That's always where it goes.

00:21:16.480 And so the only way to really ultimately do a type of alien contact is do a CE-5 disclosure, which is a close encounter of the fifth kind.

00:21:25.520 So when you'll see people like the Sean Ryan show, who's got a broad variety of people, very huge, large amount of influence, when he has somebody on like Dr. Stephen Greer, and you talked about his experience with working with governmental agencies.

00:21:38.480 The main thing that he really promotes and advocates is Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind, which are really doing these occultic seances to get in contact, to contact the other side, which God forbids.

00:21:50.180 You're literally doing an occult – he ends up doing like this occultic ritual.

00:21:54.540 And he's taken people like Demi Lovato, who was very much seeking, trying to make sense of her life, being a young woman.

00:22:03.520 and she he walked her through the whole ce5 encounter disclosure and she became a true

00:22:09.020 believer in that and where has she gone now she's now you know changed her gender multiple times she

00:22:14.540 went from being binary to non-binary even most recently one of her most recent videos too was

00:22:20.560 this one really just sort of celebrating the the right for her the right to abortion like it's in 0.53

00:22:26.160 her video it's completely satanic demonic and so you see like the fruits of like where she went

00:22:32.460 she was led through this encounter by Dr. Stephen Greer

00:22:36.240 to see the CE-5 encounter, which the footage is out there

00:22:40.200 that we could talk about. And these are the fruits

00:22:44.400 that come about of it. Like Tom DeLonge, who is very heavily involved with

00:22:48.320 Two of the Stars Academy, he talks about the same thing. He has always been interested

00:22:52.260 in UFOs. He went out with Dr. Stephen Greer out in the desert towards

00:22:56.380 Area 51, Nevada. And lo and behold, he went through

00:23:00.360 the whole process and all of a sudden he woke up at three o'clock in the morning which is always

00:23:04.260 surprising always the witching hour and all of a sudden he starts getting in contact with he calls

00:23:09.060 little green men but even the nature of that encounter was spiritual in nature it wasn't

00:23:14.920 some physical being saying hey let me show you some some sort of elevated technology let me show

00:23:20.080 you some new way to grow food sustainably that's not it it's always spiritual in nature so when it

00:23:27.440 comes to the gray is a ufo conversation i mean that could be a 10-part series in and of itself

00:23:32.240 but that's where it always goes to so i think try it we'll have fun we'll have fun tackling that

00:23:38.520 awesome i say something on top of that too yeah so real quick so what's interesting about the

00:23:42.380 grays as well as you can go back in history all the way to john d emmanuel swedenberg

00:23:46.420 up to steven greer the ce5 techniques the occult practices that are being used actually stem from

00:23:52.500 the corpus hermeticum no joke uh and we can go back and see that there's conversations with these

00:23:58.460 quote-unquote spiritual beings that want a one-world government or they're telling uh specific

00:24:03.940 types of information to these individuals that is antithetical to the christian worldview

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00:24:54.020 Number eight, Scientology.

00:24:56.040 Who wants to take that?

00:24:57.140 I'll talk about Scientology real quick.

00:24:58.780 So we've got Scientology, L. Ron Hubbard.

00:25:02.460 If anyone is very interested in some of the things that L. Ron Hubbard believed,

00:25:06.160 you will get a kick out of it.

00:25:07.220 Go to YouTube and just watch some of the things he talks about.

00:25:09.820 There's some black and white videos.

00:25:11.080 uh scientology is a classic cult within america that has roots that are poisonous right it's

00:25:20.300 destroyed lives uh it's antithetical to the christian worldview it believes that you can come

00:25:25.980 to a knowledge of a freedom essentially to where you can actually manipulate matter energy space

00:25:33.380 and time as an operating fate and it's called the bridge to total freedom but here's the thing is you

00:25:38.180 can never get to the end level, right? There's always something more that needs to take place.

00:25:43.680 And I believe last time I checked to become an operating Thetan, it took about $750,000 in order 0.96

00:25:51.820 to get the classes just to become someone who has cleared of their Thetans. And that is essentially 0.95

00:25:57.260 to be clear of your sins. And the way you do that is you go through auditing with an auditor where

00:26:01.740 you're holding onto two tin metal cans and they're talking to you about your life or your past life.

00:26:07.140 and when they're giving you when they're asking you questions probing questions and if the needle

00:26:12.160 probes it looks like something right there is triggering your thetans so they'll dig deeper

00:26:16.240 and they'll dig deeper and they'll gather a file on you and in that file on you they have all of

00:26:20.880 the dirt on you that they need from this life and your past life uh in order to become an operating

00:26:27.460 thetan one day to be clear of all of those sins and so we want to talk about l ron hubbard we want

00:26:32.200 to talk about scientology and we just want to shine a light and expose the darkness that there

00:26:36.680 is there so we can see that cult crumble i believe that's a cult we can see crumble within our

00:26:40.200 lifetime so we need to talk about it awesome okay and then now number nine and ten the last two

00:26:45.100 mormonism and jehovah's witnesses jeremiah uh yeah so mormonism it's mormonism would also be

00:26:53.000 just a pinnacle example but even with all of the uh what has in common with all the other episodes

00:26:57.220 and content is syncretism it's it's taking all these different worldviews and different ideas

00:27:04.300 worldviews, mishmashing them together. It's exactly what Joseph Smith did. He took a lot of

00:27:09.860 what was going on around his time. He took a lot of the theories going around when he was growing

00:27:14.380 up in Palm Iron in New York about supposedly that people had come from the Americas, had dug

00:27:20.380 plates, golden plates up on the Hill Camorra. And so you have him combining all these different

00:27:26.540 folklore together. You have combining aspects of Freemasonry. I mean, it's one of those things,

00:27:33.540 it's so fascinating it's it's it's uh the the history behind it just in and of itself and you

00:27:38.940 go from a point of historically even now you look at you think about a mormon who is very patriotic

00:27:44.740 who loves america has that sort of typical typical white picket fence has a shiny happy is a shiny

00:27:50.660 happy person uh they kind of like do a play of words well the reality is is that even like the

00:27:56.660 second president of the united states brigman young you know like he declared war like on the

00:28:01.300 united states like there is a position to where they are going to be ostracized to mexico if they

00:28:07.360 didn't renounce polygamy um so it's it's one of the most influential cults uh in the western world

00:28:13.880 specifically in the 1800s it's one of the most influential ones that really even even today and

00:28:19.600 the one thing that's really the what we're going to talk about just syncretism how it's continually

00:28:24.400 evolved how it's continually changed and even now like the last 20 years i barely even recognize

00:28:31.540 like the convert if a mormon if i could take the mormons i interacted with when i was in high school

00:28:37.200 and introduce them to the mormonism mormons today if the multiverse was real they would be shocked

00:28:43.840 they would be would not be in disbelief how many of them are post-modern don't even believe in

00:28:50.520 absolute truth don't even believe in joseph smith anymore that all christian creeds are an

00:28:55.140 abomination in god's sight um and so what you really have now what we'll talk about is in

00:29:00.640 mormonism is this duality between the modern day mormon church that is now become post-modern

00:29:07.040 and a lot because they've gone so far away from their original teachings you have a lot of

00:29:11.960 fundamentalist mormons like the flds and a lot of those other splintering groups who now have

00:29:17.200 become radicalized and said hey even though mormonism for example they believe that the

00:29:22.220 church fell away in the 1800s joseph smith had to come back and restore the church they now believe

00:29:27.880 the restoration needs a restoration so it's almost as if reincarnation is being introduced now to

00:29:34.500 their worldview uh to within the church so you have the modern day mormon church has become a

00:29:39.540 lot more liberal a lot more progressive there's a huge duality not only between the church between

00:29:45.000 the men who are all patriarchal, white men in their 80s and 90s who are running all of it,

00:29:53.620 versus you have the younger generation, 40 down under, who are a lot more progressive, 0.52

00:29:58.400 a lot more open down to the whole idea of transgenderism, all the modern-day zeitgeists. 0.92

00:30:03.300 Like Andrew would attest during June, during Pride Month, all of downtown Salt Lake,

00:30:10.480 It's just a plethora of just the pride and transgender flags just because they are completely congruent with the current zeitgeist of the age. 0.81

00:30:22.520 And it has to deal with the fact that Mormonism is always syncretizing upon itself.

00:30:27.900 And so the Mormonism has created radicals such as Mark Hoffman.

00:30:33.460 If you look at Mark Hoffman and the Mormon Murders, a guy who was radicalized, who forged a bunch of documents that fooled the Mormon Church into it.

00:30:40.780 I mean, it's a whole true crime episode in itself that Netflix did, which led to actually a car bomb that happened in downtown Salt Lake.

00:30:49.000 You have the story of Under the Banner of Heaven, which, Andrew, my mind's running in blank.

00:30:53.260 What were the names of the two brothers?

00:30:54.400 The Lafferty Brothers.

00:30:54.960 The Lafferty Brothers. 0.70

00:30:56.240 There's these murders that took place based off of this Mormon doctrine of blood atonement that they believed needed to be part of the restoration.

00:31:04.040 And so you're always having this continual evolving and syncretizing and reinventing a Mormonism.

00:31:11.140 But then you have people who want to hold on to the older reinvented version, creating this constant duality.

00:31:18.160 So I think that in and of itself, along with just some of the basic fascinating stories behind how Mormon really influenced the 1800s and the 19th century, even the 20th century, we're very fascinated to talk about it.

00:31:34.440 It's one of our favorite subjects.

00:31:36.400 Cool. All right. Last, Jehovah's Witnesses.

00:31:38.880 Yep. Jehovah's Witnesses, like Mormonism, is part of the Restoration Movement. The Restoration Movement basic premises is that we, the Church of Jesus Christ, went into an apostasy and it needed to be restored, just like the Campbellites believed that. Joseph Smith believed that. Charles Taze Russell also was a proponent of that. So Charles Taze Russell is the founder of the Jehovah's Witnesses. 1.00

00:32:00.940 He was also formerly a leader of an offshoot of a Millerite group.

00:32:05.580 Miller believed that the end of the world was supposed to happen at a specific time.

00:32:09.200 It didn't happen.

00:32:10.700 And so there was groups that branched off of there.

00:32:13.120 One other founder from the group of the Millerites was Ellen G. White, who created the Seventh

00:32:17.040 Day Adventists.

00:32:18.140 Another branch from that was Charles Taze Russell, who founded the Jehovah's Witnesses. 0.52

00:32:22.720 And I'm sure everyone who's listening has probably had a Jehovah's Witness knock on

00:32:26.720 their door. 0.99

00:32:27.340 A lot of them, I think they need to do around 80 hours a month. 0.90

00:32:31.500 I need to look that up again.

00:32:32.560 However, it's something that needs to be talked about because these people really do know their doctrine

00:32:37.900 because they'll twist you into a doctrinal pressel pretty quick on a John 1 if you're not pretty well versed in it.

00:32:44.760 However, we need to be able to have a reasonable defense.

00:32:48.300 We need to talk about the history.

00:32:50.140 We need to talk about the failed end times prophecies.

00:32:53.100 and we also need to talk about how many of them don't believe that they'll actually be in heaven

00:32:57.820 when they die that the 144 000 people that they believe in have already came and there's no room

00:33:03.320 for any more that'll be in heaven so uh interesting stuff i want to leave us with that i want to go

00:33:07.840 too deep into it but i'm very excited to be doing this awesome all right that's it so just one more

00:33:13.000 recap we've got number one the divine feminine and taylor swift that'll be the first episode

00:33:17.220 number two, transhumanism and artificial intelligence. Number three is DMT and the

00:33:22.520 astral realm. Number four, Burning Man. Number five, neo-paganism. Number six, the occult. Number

00:33:30.200 seven, the greys. Number eight, Scientology. Number nine, Mormonism. And number 10, Jehovah's

00:33:39.200 Witnesses. So those are going to be the 10 episodes. We're going to have Jeremiah and Andrew 0.99

00:33:42.400 fly them out here. And this is going to be Q3. So it'll be, let's see, July, August, and September

00:33:48.860 of this year, the year of our Lord, 2024. So be looking out for that. Again, subscribe to the

00:33:53.940 channel, hit the bell so that you'll be notified when we come out with all that. Before this third

00:33:59.600 quarter, we've got the second quarter. That's going to be Haunted Cosmos with Brian Sauve and

00:34:03.260 Ben Garrett. So we've got lots of great content coming out for you guys. And we wanted to give

00:34:07.180 you just a little bit of a teaser, appetizer, you know, just to get your appetite building for

00:34:13.680 this new series. And I've followed these guys and their podcasts for a while. You guys do great work.

00:34:20.040 Jeremiah and Andrew, thank you so much for your ministry. There's a lot of deception, as you know,

00:34:25.080 and you guys have been willing to go into the belly of the beast and expose the darkness.

00:34:30.260 It's not just, yes, you know, the old adage of the way you can tell a fake, you know, dollar bill

00:34:35.880 is not by studying counterfeits, but by studying the real article. That's true, but there's also

00:34:40.240 scripture. Ephesians tells us, you know, that we're actually to take no part in the deeds done

00:34:45.740 in darkness, but to expose them. So yes, we want to be well-versed in the truth and the scripture,

00:34:50.960 but we also do want to be willing to look at lies, to examine deceptions, to know them

00:34:58.120 well enough to be able to not just avoid them, but expose them and refute them so that others

00:35:05.720 might not be deceived you guys have done that faithfully and i'm excited to get to do some of

00:35:09.520 that with you so thanks for coming on to uh the show and i look forward to our project coming up

00:35:13.640 soon talk to you later absolutely absolutely looking forward to it and we're going to spend

00:35:17.420 the next uh month and a half or two months freaking from the fire hose so we'll be we'll

00:35:21.140 be operating all cylinders when we come out here to talk about all this stuff awesome thanks god

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The NXR Podcast - March 18, 2024

THE INTERVIEW - 10 Fastest-Growing Cults In America (In 30 Minutes!) with Andrew & Jeremiah from Cultish

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