Pastor Joel Webin is joined by Andrew and Jeremiah of the Apologia Church and the co-host of the show "Cultish" to discuss the top 10 most dangerous cults in America. They discuss the Divine Feminine, Taylor Swift, Transhumanism, DMT, Burning Man, Neo Paganism, Neo-Paganism, the Occult, the Greys, Sinontology, Mormonism, and Jehovah's Witnesses.
00:02:04.040And that's with Haunted Cosmos, Brian Sauve and Ben Garrett and Q3.
00:02:09.340Thanks to you guys being gracious enough to oblige is with Cultish.
00:02:13.800And so it's going to be the three of us.
00:02:15.100And the goal is to do a whole season, a 10-part season, 10 episodes where we devote an hour in each episode to some major cults and false religions.
00:02:26.200So what I'd like to do today is, one, put this on people's radar, subscribe to our channel.
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00:02:40.360but today I was thinking I wonder if and I don't even know if we could do it it's up to you guys
00:02:45.900and if you're up for the challenge but I wonder if we could do the short version I wonder if we
00:02:50.080could just give people give all our secrets away and just let them know these these are the 10
00:02:55.240cults that we're going to cover all 10 of them all 10 episodes that you'll get longer form 60
00:02:59.800minutes thorough on on each of them but give all 10 of them today in about half an hour and take
00:03:05.660just a couple minutes on each one to explain this is what it is this is why it's bad do you think
00:03:12.200we could do that we should man jerry jerry let's go let's go let's go let's go divine all right
00:03:17.040first one divine feminine and taylor swift jerry taylor swift and the divine feminine so we are
00:03:23.120going to kick things off into high gear when we are in austin texas with you in april so we are
00:03:28.240going to be talking about taylor swift and why would we be talking about that in a show called
00:03:32.240cultish well what's very interesting is that i've just people have been meshing us dming us
00:03:38.280specifically there's a lot of people in my sphere and realm who actually who believe that taylor
00:03:43.100swift is a witch uh believe it or not and they believe that a lot of her music is actually like
00:03:48.200casting spells on people it's very interesting there's people who have had a record of going
00:03:53.060to their concerts and having complete amnesia not remembering anything and then leaving later on
00:03:58.260But a lot of that, honestly, is somewhat speculative.
00:04:01.960We'll kind of go into why people believe that, but a lot of it is very speculative.
00:04:06.020However, what Taylor Swift as a whole, as a person, as an artist, and also just as a piece of propaganda,
00:04:14.480especially how the West is being conditioned through her,
00:04:18.960she is really being utilized as a symbol to advocate for the Divine Feminine,
00:04:23.220which really has to do with where the West is right now as far as pushing neo-paganism.
00:04:28.740Now, when I talk about that, there's a reason why when you go into a magazine store,
00:04:33.260you'll have 10 different magazines, all separate from each other, but they all have Taylor on the cover.
00:04:38.800There's purpose and intent behind that.
00:04:41.640And you better believe that what her lyrics are, what they say, who she is as a person,
00:04:47.200she is already having a huge amount of influence.
00:04:50.080So I know people in my sphere of people within my inner family of, you know, kids who are, you know, five, six years old who want to be like Taylor Swift when they grow up.
00:04:59.220That's the sort of influence that she's having.
00:05:01.100Now, is there a fundamental worldview behind that?
00:05:03.240We're going to jump into and explore that.
00:05:05.240So I'm really looking forward to unpacking that.
00:05:07.880I mean, just the thumbnail, just the thumbnail in and of itself is going to get a lot of attention.
00:08:00.460and so it's like i'm going on a virtual visit to my daughter-in-law you know who passed away in a
00:08:05.100car accident last month it's so great to know that she's still with us that ain't her yeah i'm on the
00:08:10.320same page as you man yep all right there you go wait wait we will have more to talk about i feel
00:08:14.920digital necromancy it's gonna be a fun time whoa there you go necromancy that's fire so yeah coin
00:08:21.320that phrase that's good okay back to you jeremiah number three we are going to be talking about part
00:08:26.200three will be dmt and the astral realm so what we are going to be really tapping into is that
00:08:31.600the usage of psychedelics uh psychoactive substances psilocybin mushrooms dmt all those
00:08:39.300all of the sorts those have been popularized by different podcasts people like jordan peterson
00:08:43.780people like joe rogan uh people like um russell brand a lot of the major major large platform
00:08:50.700influencers have made a huge emphasis on psychedelic use it's really become normalized
00:08:55.260Something that would have been seen as fringe probably 20, 30 years ago,
00:09:00.780now is becoming something that's super normal.
00:09:02.880People like Aaron Rodgers, who is a quarterback now for the New York Jets,
00:09:07.140even though he played, you know, like one game, like he sprained his ankle,
00:09:11.760he's been a huge advocate for the uses of DMT, psychedelics, ayahuasca, doing ayahuasca.
00:09:18.660Something that usually would see someone that was down South America is now being normalized.
00:09:22.600You have people like Machine Gun Kelly, Megan Fox, going down and doing these ayahuasca retreats where they think that somehow they're on some super spiritual experience.
00:09:33.260What's always interesting, the reason why we're calling it DMT and they ask for realm is that people are saying, oh, you can take DMT for your different mental health clarity, for dealing with anxiety, dealing with PTSD.
00:09:43.780But the one thing that always comes on the other side is contacting the other side, crossing over onto something.
00:09:51.120All of them advocate that they end up somewhere in contact with something on the other side.
00:09:57.420And so I think as Christians, it's something that we should not shy away from,
00:14:29.140But we need to be able to have a response to neo-paganism
00:14:32.780within the world that we're living today
00:14:34.460because these people are truly looking for spiritual answers
00:14:39.000when they really couldn't get the questions from their parents, man.
00:14:42.600that that's what it is and there's a form of emotionalism who am i yep yeah yep all of those
00:14:48.460that's good yeah it's an emotional pull and uh christianity is the only one that has the answers
00:14:53.000because in colossians 2 it states that jesus christ dethroned all of these powers when he
00:14:57.600resurrected from the grave so these things have no power at all uh jesus christ is king and it's
00:15:02.520it's extremely important to talk about but going on to that we have the occult when we're thinking
00:15:06.240about uh the ancient dead religions or uh for example there's something called hermeticism
00:15:12.040And from Hermeticism, there's a book called the Corpus Hermeticum, and the Corpus Hermeticum is where we get phrases such as, as above, so below. It's where we get the forms of alchemy that were formed, and Hermeticism, in a nutshell, was really popular around the Potomac era of the Egyptian dynasty when the Greeks were in charge of the Egyptians at that time, and it was really an amalgamation between Egyptian magic and Greek thought, and it created Hermeticism.
00:15:40.580So from Hermeticism, we also get modern forms of Neopaganism because the books were rediscovered in the 1400s. They were translated into Latin and alchemy comes from it. And we need to talk about that today because these are things that are taking place in our society that comes from Neopaganism. And it also is something that has actually influenced Mormonism. So very interesting stuff.
00:16:05.420Very interesting. Okay, Jeremiah, number seven, the Greys.
00:21:16.480And so the only way to really ultimately do a type of alien contact is do a CE-5 disclosure, which is a close encounter of the fifth kind.
00:21:25.520So when you'll see people like the Sean Ryan show, who's got a broad variety of people, very huge, large amount of influence, when he has somebody on like Dr. Stephen Greer, and you talked about his experience with working with governmental agencies.
00:21:38.480The main thing that he really promotes and advocates is Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind, which are really doing these occultic seances to get in contact, to contact the other side, which God forbids.
00:21:50.180You're literally doing an occult – he ends up doing like this occultic ritual.
00:21:54.540And he's taken people like Demi Lovato, who was very much seeking, trying to make sense of her life, being a young woman.
00:22:03.520and she he walked her through the whole ce5 encounter disclosure and she became a true
00:22:09.020believer in that and where has she gone now she's now you know changed her gender multiple times she
00:22:14.540went from being binary to non-binary even most recently one of her most recent videos too was
00:22:20.560this one really just sort of celebrating the the right for her the right to abortion like it's in0.53
00:22:26.160her video it's completely satanic demonic and so you see like the fruits of like where she went
00:22:32.460she was led through this encounter by Dr. Stephen Greer
00:22:36.240to see the CE-5 encounter, which the footage is out there
00:22:40.200that we could talk about. And these are the fruits
00:22:44.400that come about of it. Like Tom DeLonge, who is very heavily involved with
00:22:48.320Two of the Stars Academy, he talks about the same thing. He has always been interested
00:22:52.260in UFOs. He went out with Dr. Stephen Greer out in the desert towards
00:22:56.380Area 51, Nevada. And lo and behold, he went through
00:23:00.360the whole process and all of a sudden he woke up at three o'clock in the morning which is always
00:23:04.260surprising always the witching hour and all of a sudden he starts getting in contact with he calls
00:23:09.060little green men but even the nature of that encounter was spiritual in nature it wasn't
00:23:14.920some physical being saying hey let me show you some some sort of elevated technology let me show
00:23:20.080you some new way to grow food sustainably that's not it it's always spiritual in nature so when it
00:23:27.440comes to the gray is a ufo conversation i mean that could be a 10-part series in and of itself
00:23:32.240but that's where it always goes to so i think try it we'll have fun we'll have fun tackling that
00:23:38.520awesome i say something on top of that too yeah so real quick so what's interesting about the
00:23:42.380grays as well as you can go back in history all the way to john d emmanuel swedenberg
00:23:46.420up to steven greer the ce5 techniques the occult practices that are being used actually stem from
00:23:52.500the corpus hermeticum no joke uh and we can go back and see that there's conversations with these
00:23:58.460quote-unquote spiritual beings that want a one-world government or they're telling uh specific
00:24:03.940types of information to these individuals that is antithetical to the christian worldview
00:24:07.880and the rule and reign of jesus christ so i just want to add that there it's really interesting
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00:25:11.080uh scientology is a classic cult within america that has roots that are poisonous right it's
00:25:20.300destroyed lives uh it's antithetical to the christian worldview it believes that you can come
00:25:25.980to a knowledge of a freedom essentially to where you can actually manipulate matter energy space
00:25:33.380and time as an operating fate and it's called the bridge to total freedom but here's the thing is you
00:25:38.180can never get to the end level, right? There's always something more that needs to take place.
00:25:43.680And I believe last time I checked to become an operating Thetan, it took about $750,000 in order0.96
00:25:51.820to get the classes just to become someone who has cleared of their Thetans. And that is essentially0.95
00:25:57.260to be clear of your sins. And the way you do that is you go through auditing with an auditor where
00:26:01.740you're holding onto two tin metal cans and they're talking to you about your life or your past life.
00:26:07.140and when they're giving you when they're asking you questions probing questions and if the needle
00:26:12.160probes it looks like something right there is triggering your thetans so they'll dig deeper
00:26:16.240and they'll dig deeper and they'll gather a file on you and in that file on you they have all of
00:26:20.880the dirt on you that they need from this life and your past life uh in order to become an operating
00:26:27.460thetan one day to be clear of all of those sins and so we want to talk about l ron hubbard we want
00:26:32.200to talk about scientology and we just want to shine a light and expose the darkness that there
00:26:36.680is there so we can see that cult crumble i believe that's a cult we can see crumble within our
00:26:40.200lifetime so we need to talk about it awesome okay and then now number nine and ten the last two
00:26:45.100mormonism and jehovah's witnesses jeremiah uh yeah so mormonism it's mormonism would also be
00:26:53.000just a pinnacle example but even with all of the uh what has in common with all the other episodes
00:26:57.220and content is syncretism it's it's taking all these different worldviews and different ideas
00:27:04.300worldviews, mishmashing them together. It's exactly what Joseph Smith did. He took a lot of
00:27:09.860what was going on around his time. He took a lot of the theories going around when he was growing
00:27:14.380up in Palm Iron in New York about supposedly that people had come from the Americas, had dug
00:27:20.380plates, golden plates up on the Hill Camorra. And so you have him combining all these different
00:27:26.540folklore together. You have combining aspects of Freemasonry. I mean, it's one of those things,
00:27:33.540it's so fascinating it's it's it's uh the the history behind it just in and of itself and you
00:27:38.940go from a point of historically even now you look at you think about a mormon who is very patriotic
00:27:44.740who loves america has that sort of typical typical white picket fence has a shiny happy is a shiny
00:27:50.660happy person uh they kind of like do a play of words well the reality is is that even like the
00:27:56.660second president of the united states brigman young you know like he declared war like on the
00:28:01.300united states like there is a position to where they are going to be ostracized to mexico if they
00:28:07.360didn't renounce polygamy um so it's it's one of the most influential cults uh in the western world
00:28:13.880specifically in the 1800s it's one of the most influential ones that really even even today and
00:28:19.600the one thing that's really the what we're going to talk about just syncretism how it's continually
00:28:24.400evolved how it's continually changed and even now like the last 20 years i barely even recognize
00:28:31.540like the convert if a mormon if i could take the mormons i interacted with when i was in high school
00:28:37.200and introduce them to the mormonism mormons today if the multiverse was real they would be shocked
00:28:43.840they would be would not be in disbelief how many of them are post-modern don't even believe in
00:28:50.520absolute truth don't even believe in joseph smith anymore that all christian creeds are an
00:28:55.140abomination in god's sight um and so what you really have now what we'll talk about is in
00:29:00.640mormonism is this duality between the modern day mormon church that is now become post-modern
00:29:07.040and a lot because they've gone so far away from their original teachings you have a lot of
00:29:11.960fundamentalist mormons like the flds and a lot of those other splintering groups who now have
00:29:17.200become radicalized and said hey even though mormonism for example they believe that the
00:29:22.220church fell away in the 1800s joseph smith had to come back and restore the church they now believe
00:29:27.880the restoration needs a restoration so it's almost as if reincarnation is being introduced now to
00:29:34.500their worldview uh to within the church so you have the modern day mormon church has become a
00:29:39.540lot more liberal a lot more progressive there's a huge duality not only between the church between
00:29:45.000the men who are all patriarchal, white men in their 80s and 90s who are running all of it,
00:29:53.620versus you have the younger generation, 40 down under, who are a lot more progressive,0.52
00:29:58.400a lot more open down to the whole idea of transgenderism, all the modern-day zeitgeists.0.92
00:30:03.300Like Andrew would attest during June, during Pride Month, all of downtown Salt Lake,
00:30:10.480It's just a plethora of just the pride and transgender flags just because they are completely congruent with the current zeitgeist of the age.0.81
00:30:22.520And it has to deal with the fact that Mormonism is always syncretizing upon itself.
00:30:27.900And so the Mormonism has created radicals such as Mark Hoffman.
00:30:33.460If you look at Mark Hoffman and the Mormon Murders, a guy who was radicalized, who forged a bunch of documents that fooled the Mormon Church into it.
00:30:40.780I mean, it's a whole true crime episode in itself that Netflix did, which led to actually a car bomb that happened in downtown Salt Lake.
00:30:49.000You have the story of Under the Banner of Heaven, which, Andrew, my mind's running in blank.
00:30:53.260What were the names of the two brothers?
00:30:56.240There's these murders that took place based off of this Mormon doctrine of blood atonement that they believed needed to be part of the restoration.
00:31:04.040And so you're always having this continual evolving and syncretizing and reinventing a Mormonism.
00:31:11.140But then you have people who want to hold on to the older reinvented version, creating this constant duality.
00:31:18.160So I think that in and of itself, along with just some of the basic fascinating stories behind how Mormon really influenced the 1800s and the 19th century, even the 20th century, we're very fascinated to talk about it.
00:31:36.400Cool. All right. Last, Jehovah's Witnesses.
00:31:38.880Yep. Jehovah's Witnesses, like Mormonism, is part of the Restoration Movement. The Restoration Movement basic premises is that we, the Church of Jesus Christ, went into an apostasy and it needed to be restored, just like the Campbellites believed that. Joseph Smith believed that. Charles Taze Russell also was a proponent of that. So Charles Taze Russell is the founder of the Jehovah's Witnesses.1.00
00:32:00.940He was also formerly a leader of an offshoot of a Millerite group.
00:32:05.580Miller believed that the end of the world was supposed to happen at a specific time.