The NXR Podcast - THE INTERVIEW - American Dictator & “Elite Theory” with AD Robles

00:00:00.000 All right, welcome to another episode of Theology Applied. I'm your host, Pastor Joel Webin with

00:00:03.780 Right Response Ministries. In this episode, I am privileged to welcome back to the show

00:00:08.260 a regular guest, A.D. Robles. We're going to be talking about top-down revival rather than just

00:00:15.300 grassroots bottom-up. We want to work towards revival one regenerate heart at a time. But

00:00:20.700 if we look historically and we look biblically, God often uses leaders, a few leaders, to shape

00:00:28.380 the whole populace. This is what God has done. We should not merely ask the question what God

00:00:34.000 can do. We should ask the question, what does God do? That's the kind of conversation that we're

00:00:39.820 having in this episode. We're also in light of that talking a lot about elite theory. What is

00:00:44.840 elite theory? How does that work? How do a few individuals for good or for evil shape an entire

00:00:53.120 society, because it does happen. And we need to be aware of that theory, that system, and who some

00:00:59.540 of these people are. Tune in now. Applying God's word to every aspect of life. This is Theology

00:01:06.620 Applied. All right. Welcome to another episode of Theology Applied. I am your host, Pastor Joel

00:01:15.800 Webin with Right Response Ministries. And today I have joining me for the 1,457th time,

00:01:24.540 A.D. Robles. He is a regular on the show. He might as well be a co-host. A.D., thanks for

00:01:29.080 coming on. I'm glad to be here. It's awesome. Thanks for inviting me. Absolutely. All right.

00:01:34.940 So what we wanted to talk about, we're just going to really keep this conversation just

00:01:38.940 kind of organic, you know, and just kind of where you guys get to be a fly on the wall and hear

00:01:44.600 kind of the conversation that ad and i would just have if we were talking on the phone we want to

00:01:48.620 talk about um basically uh how did we get to this place how did things get so bad um is you know if

00:01:55.760 the nation's going to change positively if we're going to have a revival or reformation or any of

00:02:00.180 those things is it going to be grassroots is it going to be bottom up or is it going to be top

00:02:04.020 down a lot a lot of you know guys within you know evangelicalism and even the reformed tribe i would

00:02:10.160 argue, especially within Reformed evangelicalism, sometimes they behave and speak as though there's

00:02:17.100 only one way to change a culture, society, a nation, and that's bottom up. Basically,

00:02:24.060 it has to be an organic preaching of the gospel through the sphere of the church,

00:02:29.560 not the state, not political rulers or media or institutions or influential people in other

00:02:36.100 areas of life. Now it's got to be only the church, gospel preachers, and that the Holy Spirit has to

00:02:42.220 move in such a way that the gospel preaching is efficacious to the point where you have

00:02:47.040 regenerate hearts that account for 50% of the population plus one so that you can then win

00:02:52.960 your democratic elections and put better men in office. And just for the record, I'm not

00:02:59.240 against that. And for all practical purposes, that's what I'm praying towards. That's what

00:03:05.780 I'm working towards as a local pastor, as a Christian man, as a father, as a husband in my

00:03:10.740 day-to-day life, I'm working towards doing the work of an evangelist, hoping to see people come

00:03:15.600 to faith in Jesus Christ through the preaching of the gospel and the work of the spirit, and that

00:03:19.260 we would have more and more Christians. And that if we have more salt and light, that that would

00:03:22.860 make a difference in our world. Amen. Yes. And amen. So that's true. I just don't think it's

00:03:27.420 the whole truth. I think that there's also not just bottom up revival, if I could coin that

00:03:32.380 phrase. But I do think that biblically speaking and historically speaking throughout this gospel

00:03:37.600 age, these past 2000 years of church history, I would argue that bottom-up revival is legitimate

00:03:43.240 and it's what we should pray towards. But top-down revival seems to be not only possible,

00:03:50.460 but it seems to actually be the more common occurrence is that Israel sucks. And it's not 0.99

00:03:58.320 just that Israel, through the preaching of the priests, that 50% of the population plus one

00:04:03.480 become regenerate, and then they use their democratic vote to switch kings. No, it's

00:04:10.200 Israel sucks. The king sucks. God kills that king. He puts Josiah in his place. The people 1.00

00:04:17.360 aren't righteous, but Josiah says, well, even if you're not righteous on the inside,

00:04:21.440 in a true regenerate sense, you're going to behave as though you're righteous, whether you like it or 0.98

00:04:26.100 not, because I'm going to kill you if you practice idolatry, and I'm going to rip down the high 0.99

00:04:30.720 places, and we will worship Yahweh. And then the law of the Lord begins to function in that 0.99

00:04:37.060 tutoring sense. The law doesn't regenerate anyone, but it does begin as it's executed by the king in

00:04:44.040 a righteous way. The law begins to shape the consciences of men and paint a more conducive

00:04:50.620 context and backdrop for real preaching of the Messiah. And then people's hearts over time do

00:04:59.500 change and Israel improves. What do you think, AD? Is that crazy? Well, I mean, I think it's,

00:05:07.520 sometimes it's hard for me to put myself back when I believed essentially this kind of bottom up,

00:05:12.580 you know, the people change and they get better rulers and stuff like that. It's hard for me to

00:05:16.360 put my mind back in that space because when you read the bible um that is not the presentation

00:05:23.540 that we get not to say that that can't happen and that shouldn't happen and that's not a way

00:05:27.600 that things change but in the bible especially like the book of kings right you get this this

00:05:32.220 list of of the kings and you get a short couple paragraphs about what they do whether they were

00:05:37.060 good or bad and and it's it's like you get the king and then the people follow what the king is

00:05:43.940 doing each and every time whether it's a good king or a bad king right and and and that is what's

00:05:49.980 presented to us right and so it it once once you see that and you recognize that it's hard to put

00:05:58.540 your mind back in the in the spot where that can't happen that's not crazy at all it makes perfect

00:06:02.980 sense that when king asa comes uh and says okay well we're getting rid of the the the the male 0.99

00:06:08.940 prostitutes or the the sodomites we're going to get rid of them all we're going to cut down the 0.99

00:06:13.080 ashera poles we're going to do all these things it makes sense that the people are like well i mean 0.99

00:06:18.580 i'm sure some of them still wanted to do that stuff but they didn't do it as much as they used

00:06:23.420 to makes perfect sense because there were no ashera poles anymore there were no sodomites

00:06:28.160 anymore so like it like it it's it's not crazy but it's it's what it's wild maybe we can talk

00:06:36.800 a little bit about why this became sort of like a foreign concept but this is the way the bible

00:06:41.820 presents this you know what i mean let's let's talk about that what do you think like because

00:06:47.260 it really is foreign our brains are just i don't know we've been hardwired as kind of

00:06:52.860 modern western you know democracy people uh you know americans westerners and yeah so we just we

00:07:02.200 read our presuppositions into the bible and we really think it's there it's funny i saw somebody

00:07:07.980 or what one of our, our mutuals offline was saying, he said, it's funny that the staunch

00:07:15.760 cessationists, I think of like the John MacArthur camp and I'm a cessationist. So are you, you know,

00:07:21.040 but guys who like, you know, they, they, the kind of guys who would not just be cessationists,

00:07:25.440 but would host, you know, a cessationist conference annually, you know, those kinds of

00:07:29.480 guys. It's funny that they, they believe there's no new revelation that had ended in the first

00:07:33.820 century with the dying of the apostles, except there was a window of the gift of prophecy and

00:07:40.600 new revelation coming back into play in 1776, you know, or what is it? It's 1777, I think,

00:07:49.900 you know, but basically with what I'm getting at is they almost, they don't say this, I'm being

00:07:56.160 facetious, but they almost give off the impression that the constitution is actually infallible,

00:08:01.980 that it's like inscripturated yeah there was even a man who put a video out that was titled

00:08:08.540 something like um you know or described something like christian nationalists say that the

00:08:14.160 constitution is dead this is dangerous and we're in troubling and concerning and here's my biblical

00:08:19.860 response what could the biblical response be to that we're talking about like we're talking about

00:08:24.640 a a a political system that was created and of course it drew from principles in scripture but

00:08:31.500 the constitution itself what what would be the biblical response there like talk about reading

00:08:38.660 your presuppositions into the bible the bible does not give us the u.s constitution there are

00:08:44.380 it's it's there's a foundation there of course and of course we understand there's some principles 0.88

00:08:48.140 that were drawn from there but it's not it's it sounds so stupid to say but some people really

00:08:54.400 do treat it as if it is a point of orthodoxy it's a point of faithfulness and if you're not

00:08:59.580 100% pro-constitution because that's what people are saying you know if if someone says the

00:09:04.900 constitution is dead that must mean they're not being faithful to the constitution and it becomes

00:09:08.640 almost a point of christian orthodoxy right where it's like well that's dangerous biblically how

00:09:12.680 could that possibly be the case i'm pro-constitution so that doesn't even fit most of the people that

00:09:17.040 are in this discussion but even if you did say yeah i don't know about that constitution it's not

00:09:20.960 not the greatest it's not a point of of piety it doesn't make any sense to make it so right

00:09:27.660 And that's not even what guys are saying. I don't hear anyone saying, I don't like the Constitution.

00:09:33.420 What they're saying is not prescriptive. We should overthrow the Constitution. They're saying in a descriptive sense, they're not saying the Constitution is bad. They're saying the Constitution is dead. And there is a massive difference between those two statements.

00:09:46.060 It's not the constitution is bad. It's that the constitution in many regards is a beautiful,

00:09:51.800 wonderful biblical document in many regards, biblical principles baked throughout the whole

00:09:57.480 pie. The problem is that our nation doesn't abide by it. It's like, well, you guys want to overthrow

00:10:04.240 the constitution. No, we don't. It has been overthrown for a very long time. How did the

00:10:09.200 constitution work out for you in 2020 when they said churches couldn't gather, right? It protected

00:10:13.580 us right our rights were right oh wait no no they weren't what about when uh they mandated that our

00:10:18.440 military um uh be injected with a foreign substance with no long-term testing um the

00:10:25.160 constitution uh it worked for them right no no it did not um the constitution is great the problem

00:10:31.720 is we're not saying constitution bad we're saying constitution dead and there is a massive difference

00:10:37.920 between those two statements yeah there's a huge there's a huge difference between the two statements

00:10:43.320 obviously and that's kind of what i was saying that that doesn't apply to me and it doesn't

00:10:47.660 apply to hardly anyone um to say that the constitution's bad it might apply to someone

00:10:52.940 even if it did apply to someone it's still not a point of piety like it doesn't even matter like

00:10:57.580 we're not even saying that but even if we were it doesn't even matter as far as christian piety is

00:11:02.900 concerned right but i think you're right though to say and i was going to say this um before i forget

00:11:08.060 that i think the reason why we read the book of kings and we read other parts of scripture like

00:11:14.260 even even pagan nations too like like uh you know nineveh repents right from the top to the bottom

00:11:20.880 and it started but but it started with the king repenting and commanding certain things and so i

00:11:27.240 and and all the people all the pagans there said i guess we're doing this now and so they all did

00:11:31.980 it too so we get presented this again and again and again god blesses the people with a certain

00:11:38.480 ruler a certain you know king you know whatever and the people follow his lead this is what we're

00:11:45.320 presented the reason why we decode that into meaning something different or just maybe just

00:11:50.420 disregarding it is because of how we were trained as americans like as far as america when i was a

00:11:56.320 kid um i was taught essentially that a king is the worst possible kind of ruler like that's what you

00:12:03.840 want to avoid at all costs that's like the antithesis of good political leadership it's

00:12:09.280 the antithesis so that's what i was taught and a lot of kings are bad right so it's easy to make

00:12:15.000 that case if you kind of cherry pick examples and stuff like that um and you can even do that

00:12:20.540 with the bible too you know i've even heard ron paul the libertarian prince he uh he used the bible

00:12:26.400 once in and to talk about how kings would be bad for people and there's part that's true when you

00:12:31.760 have a bad king that's very true there's a lot of negative things that come with that so it's easy

00:12:35.260 to make that case but it's not really it's not that simple it's not really as as as easy as that

00:12:41.180 there's a lot more to that story than meets the eye and so as americans who grew up i had civics

00:12:46.760 class just like everybody else i grew up in in new england i was taught you know the constitution

00:12:51.560 was the greatest thing ever there was no way to improve it i like i i was taught all these things

00:12:56.740 um and i think that's why when i read the book of kings i don't notice how reforms are made

00:13:04.520 you know what i mean i think maybe even the first time i noticed this was when i read a translation

00:13:08.980 that called them king asa's reforms and that word reforms kind of triggered something in me

00:13:14.500 and it's like you know he's making these good reforms by edict he's just saying i'm just doing

00:13:20.520 these things this is what's happening he didn't ask the people hey let's have a referendum on

00:13:25.500 this do you guys want to take the asher polls down or not like he just made these reforms and

00:13:29.980 they were all objectively good reforms and he just did it and he just did it and the people followed

00:13:35.380 and he probably had to do enforcement you know he probably used his power to enforce these things

00:13:40.860 And we see examples of that in scripture, too. You know, we see Nehemiah who makes reforms as well, but he also like uses his authority and his power to force the people to change that don't want to change, makes examples of people.

00:13:54.520 So like we read that stuff. But but I think sometimes our American like civics training kind of overrides that a little bit sometimes. And that's why you get so many people that they freak out. They fly off the handle when you say, oh, yeah, you know, maybe a Protestant Franco wouldn't be so bad. Maybe a good version of of a strong leader wouldn't be so bad.

00:14:15.920 and all they hear is oh you want a dictator you want you want uh chairman mao you want adolf

00:14:21.700 hitler that's what you want that's what they hear right and it's like well i didn't say that but

00:14:26.100 i think it's i think it's like an un on inability to sort of think think like in a in a reflective

00:14:34.160 way about you know maybe the training i got in you know 10th grade civics class wasn't the end

00:14:39.840 all be all of everything. Right. Yeah. I think it's an inability to, um, to read the Bible

00:14:45.520 without predisposed presuppositions and biases as a modern Westerner. It's that, but I think it's

00:14:53.060 also an inability to, um, not just to read the Bible without bias, uh, but to read the room

00:14:59.640 without bias. Um, a lot of people, part of the reason why it sounds extreme, because that's

00:15:04.820 ultimately what they're saying. They're saying it seems a bit extreme. That seems extreme. Um,

00:15:09.200 Well, the only reason it seems extreme is if you think that an American Caesar type

00:15:16.720 person rising through the ranks, and again, not even prescribing it, but just describing

00:15:22.100 that and articulating to say, this would have excesses and objective abuses.

00:15:28.480 There would be things that were problems, but overall, on the whole, the Lord and his

00:15:33.840 sovereignty could use this without us advocating for it or trying to make it happen.

00:15:38.960 but God could make this happen. And it could be overall, in a general sense, a positive thing.

00:15:44.440 If you think that's extreme, to call that extreme is really only happens one way. And it's by not

00:15:52.680 recognizing that what we currently have is extreme. You think that alteration is extreme

00:15:58.680 because you don't recognize how extreme the current status quo is. And what I'm saying by

00:16:04.820 that is, um, a lot of people still don't know what time it is. They don't understand how many

00:16:10.360 millions of human beings are being slaughtered. They don't understand, um, that we are as a

00:16:16.980 nation exporting sodomy around the world. That's our, that's our greatest export. Our greatest

00:16:23.260 export is perversion. That's, I mean, that's, you just, you don't understand, you don't understand

00:16:29.280 how extreme thing you think that, that, that what we're describing is extreme because you don't

00:16:36.380 realize that where we're currently sitting is extreme. Like if we did get some American Caesar

00:16:42.440 type guy, and let's say he's not even regenerate, right? Like a, like a Cyrus figure that may have

00:16:47.280 been saved, may have not been saved, you know, or Nebuchadnezzar. Let's say that he, he utilizes 0.51

00:16:53.540 Christian rhetoric, but he himself is not actually regenerate and a Christian himself.

00:16:59.560 I think that's the most likely scenario, by the way, just so you know.

00:17:02.340 Me too.

00:17:02.640 And I think he would probably come from, you know, flyover country, right?

00:17:06.540 Like Superman, you know, he grows up in Kansas, right?

00:17:09.420 It's hard to get more American than that, you know?

00:17:11.220 So he's some guy from Kansas or Oklahoma, you know, or Mississippi, and he rises through

00:17:16.100 the ranks, you know, he was homeschooled probably, you know, by his Christian parents. 0.83

00:17:20.300 And he may not be a Christian himself, but he knows the Bible better than most people who are Christians, and he utilizes that language, and he says, here's the deal, we're going to clean up America.

00:17:32.220 And by the time we get to this guy, whether it be a baron Trump or lots of different fun speculations, but by the time you get to him, the nation is so degenerate that the majority of people are basically just saying, all right, man, get us out of this mess, whatever it takes.

00:17:50.300 And so he comes in and he starts cracking eggs to make an omelet.

00:17:54.960 And I'm not saying that cracking eggs is righteous.

00:17:58.280 I'm not defending that.

00:17:59.820 There would be objectively abuses and excesses that go beyond what the Bible would actually allow a civil ruler to do.

00:18:08.160 Because I don't think that the Bible prescribes as the only righteous form of government a constitutional republic.

00:18:16.140 That said, I'm not saying that the Bible says nothing about political forms of government,

00:18:21.180 because I do think that the Bible does advocate for certain principles, like, for instance,

00:18:26.760 representative government.

00:18:28.180 But just for the record, I think there's a way of having a monarch, a king, with still

00:18:32.480 forms of representative government, whether it be the king has a set of lords that represent

00:18:38.840 different regions and areas and people under their care.

00:18:42.180 And can there be abuses of, you know, like a feudal, you know, Lord system with lords

00:18:47.120 and serfs.

00:18:47.760 And some of those lords are abusive and they treat their serfs at like, of course, but

00:18:53.560 here's the deal.

00:18:54.380 Can there be abuses in our sacred democracy?

00:18:57.740 Yes. 0.97

00:18:58.600 We are abusing a million children every single year by ripping them apart in their mother's 1.00

00:19:04.620 womb and sucking them out with a vacuum cleaner. 0.71

00:19:07.300 That, see, that's my point is everybody who feels like what we're described, we're not 0.66

00:19:11.220 even advocating.

00:19:11.980 We're just describing. Everyone who feels like what we're describing is extreme,

00:19:16.340 the only way you can hold that view is if you put your head in the sand and refuse. And it is a

00:19:22.360 deliberate, willful choice to refuse to see the extremities of our current position. I think that's

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00:20:43.800 Yeah, it really is. I mean, it's it's it's so it's so preposterous when you take a step back and you see how far we've already come, how abusive our government already is, how how authoritarian it already is.

00:20:58.960 Like there's just there's no like figurehead dictator here, but we're we are we have like a army of dictators in the various, you know, managerial government class.

00:21:10.080 Like it's just it's so preposterous to to not recognize that for what it is and to and to not at least even be willing to have the conversation about possible ways out of that.

00:21:23.380 And and and beyond, you know, you got to believe in the Constitution.

00:21:28.040 You know what I mean? That's that is that's that's that's what we're saying by that's gone. Like that's that's not a workable way out of this. It isn't. So now we know that that's not a workable way out of it. We need to figure out what is the workable way out of it.

00:21:42.800 And to your point about a non-Christian, you know, kind of authoritarian leader, I think that's the most likely scenario to happen because the amount of people out there that have the ability to do something like that, to sort of really, you know, make positive reform from the top down, the pool of candidates for something like that is not going to be mostly like regenerate Christians. 0.55

00:22:10.200 because regenerate christians have bought the lie that somehow power is antithetical to christ

00:22:14.780 right in general they have they bought that lie you even had uh i saw somebody say something like 1.00

00:22:20.840 um a um a a christian caesar is just as stupid as saying you know gay christian like that that's 1.00

00:22:30.320 that's that's completely not correct but he feels totally justified saying it and he'll get a lot 1.00

00:22:35.500 of attaboys and amens because we've bought the lie in general that power is antithetical to

00:22:41.400 christianity it's not the case so so so in the pool of candidates that are capable of doing

00:22:47.300 something like this there's much more likely to be someone who has a christian background and who

00:22:52.100 has who knows how to understand who knows how to use christian rhetoric and has christian morality

00:22:55.780 and christian virtues that's not uh sadly that's not a legitimate hardcore christian because they

00:23:01.540 haven't bought the bought the lie that power is antithetical to christianity they don't they

00:23:05.940 don't have that yeah um i wish it was a christian guy yeah i wish i i hope so i mean that's what i'll

00:23:11.640 pray for amen but the most likely scenario the at least the way i see it is that's not going to be

00:23:16.140 what we get and that would be christian's fault because we took ourselves out of out of the

00:23:21.400 running by it doesn't have to be that way by our pietism we we removed ourselves from a lot of

00:23:27.820 those positions of power because power we determined was icky and uh that's really sad and

00:23:34.280 it's it's it's very sad and and it doesn't have to be that way and today i put out a little video

00:23:39.420 on twitter that uh was basically something like you know how do you talk to your friends about 0.96

00:23:43.860 these kinds of things you know especially when you got people that are saying stupid stuff like 0.94

00:23:48.600 you know power is antithetical to christianity and all this and to me like the easiest way to 0.97

00:23:53.640 understand this is to to break break it down to a micro level where you have kind of a micro

00:23:58.660 dictatorship which is at your house right you know what i mean and i i gave an example like let's say

00:24:03.580 you and your brother and your sister you know you all have kids and you you love each other you're

00:24:07.420 all christians and you're all hanging out you're going on vacations together everything's great

00:24:11.900 you know you have no problem sending your kids to your brother's house for a sleepover like

00:24:15.920 everything's great and then let's say your sister she she decides to basically leave the faith you 0.96

00:24:21.940 She still says she's a Christian, but she's transing her kids, she's full LGBT, she's 0.99

00:24:28.160 vaccine, crazy, everything, right? 1.00

00:24:30.660 Your sister goes off the reservation.

00:24:32.940 As a father, we used to share this understanding with my brother and sister where we were all

00:24:39.840 kind of like representatives of the House of Robles and we all kind of did the same stuff.

00:24:46.000 Well, now all of a sudden everything's changed and now my sister is no longer on the same

00:24:50.760 page with us.

00:24:51.480 And so as a father, as the as the dictator of the house, I'm no longer going to have my kids spend time with their cousin, you know, Sam, who used to be Samantha.

00:25:01.520 You know what I mean? I'm no longer going to allow my kids to sleep over at my sister's house because I don't I this is not like I don't have to play by those rules anymore.

00:25:12.160 You know what I mean? I actually do have authority that was given to me by God.

00:25:16.040 I've acquired that authority. God gave it to me. So I have that authority.

00:25:20.580 And so using that authority in these situations is a good and righteous thing, right?

00:25:25.940 I have that authority in the house.

00:25:27.500 And the truth is that that authority, God gives authority to rulers as well.

00:25:33.980 And so it's just as legitimate as my authority in their context.

00:25:38.340 And so that is not something that Christians should spurn.

00:25:42.060 In fact, Christians should desire to have that kind of authority because they know what to do,

00:25:48.200 because what they they they know them they know god's words they know what god has commanded they

00:25:52.740 know god's virtues they know god's limitations they know all that so we we should if we want to

00:25:58.600 do good works in every area of life like we should desire some of us should desire that power and to

00:26:04.900 use that power for for righteous causes but when we don't the only other option available is for 0.98

00:26:10.780 an unbeliever to have that power because there's no power vacuum someone's going to have that 0.98

00:26:15.140 authority god's given it to someone and so the only other option we have is either an unrighteous 0.98

00:26:21.440 like evil sort of you know pagan or someone who um is is more restrained in their with their evil

00:26:29.220 heart you know what i mean that has the right upbringing that has the right morality even if 0.93

00:26:32.680 they're hypocrites um that these are the only options available if christians spurn that

00:26:38.820 authority which we should not do you would never imagine doing that in the home but well i guess 0.99

00:26:44.440 some Christians do imagine doing that at home. They send their kids out to Joe Biden and his

00:26:50.480 army of educational managers to teach. So I guess some Christians do, but you shouldn't do that. 0.88

00:26:57.500 Amen. Amen. No, I like what you said. It was really good. I like what you said, Adam, 0.99

00:27:03.900 particularly with like, there's no such thing as a power vacuum, like power will be wielded.

00:27:10.500 it's not whether but which you know so it's um there will be power and it will be wielded in

00:27:15.820 one direction or the other by one party or the other so someone is going to have is it the only

00:27:21.060 question is who who will have power and and which way will that power be wielded but there's no such

00:27:26.420 thing as a just a vacuum in absence of power and and it just made me think of uh some of the just

00:27:31.300 the oh my gosh it's so tiresome the tropes of uh evangelicals and again sadly it's not uh even

00:27:38.620 reformed evangelicals. No, it's especially reformed evangelicals. If you want to find

00:27:46.120 a place, a magical land where thought is almost entirely absent, look to the reformed church in

00:27:55.700 2024. It's sad because I am reformed, but I have to admit my tribe particularly is just bankrupt

00:28:03.500 of thoughtfulness at this present moment. 1.00

00:28:06.860 But my point is, so with evangelicals

00:28:09.260 and especially Reformed evangelicals,

00:28:10.740 have you noticed this?

00:28:12.420 Using the Boromir with the ring, it is a gift.

00:28:16.440 We should use it, right?

00:28:17.880 The Lord of the Rings, we should use the one ring,

00:28:20.500 Sauron's ring.

00:28:21.980 And so they'll say, that's what the woke right, 0.81

00:28:25.200 that's what Christian nationalists wanna do 0.67

00:28:27.560 is they're just like Boromir.

00:28:29.680 They think that you can use the ring.

00:28:31.960 But let's stop. Let's break down this analogy because it's bad. It's real bad.

00:28:36.200 It's a terrible analogy.

00:28:37.020 Let's break it down for a moment and say, okay, so what is the ring in this context? What we're

00:28:41.640 saying, you're saying nobody should use it, right? So conservatives and Christians,

00:28:47.000 they shouldn't use the ring. They should throw it in the fires of Mordor. But wait a second, 1.00

00:28:52.360 that's with the ring as it pertains to the Lord of the Rings, that is a particularly inherently

00:28:57.060 evil power. That's an evil power that should be destroyed. But what we're talking about in this

00:29:03.120 case, the ring would represent not an inherently evil power, but it would simply represent

00:29:08.840 civil power. Well, civil power is God's idea. That's not Sauron's ring. It is a God-ordained

00:29:16.440 institution, the state, the civil magistrate. This is not something that Sauron, it's not something

00:29:22.180 the devil made. It's something that Jesus made. Think about that for a second. We're talking about

00:29:26.820 there will be a civil magistrate. He will have divested within him a certain set of powers.

00:29:32.900 He's either going to be a good guy or a bad guy. He's either going to wield that power in the right

00:29:36.800 direction or the wrong direction. So to use their analogy and to make it more accurate for what

00:29:41.780 they're actually advocating for, this absence of power and don't do that because when the bad

00:29:48.380 guys get elected, they'll use those same powers against you. They're already doing that. They're

00:29:52.680 already doing that. So to make the analogy or the illustration a little bit more accurate for

00:29:57.620 some of our conservative, reformed evangelical opponents who think differently on this issue

00:30:03.100 than we do, it would be like this. It would be like, not just should we not use the ring,

00:30:07.700 but it would be like Gandalf standing up in this council in Rivendell and saying,

00:30:12.520 not only will we destroy the ring, but in the meantime, before we can even get to Mordor to

00:30:18.000 throw it into the fire. Also, I'm going to forfeit all of my wizard powers. Aragorn, I would like for

00:30:25.640 you to also melt down your sword. Gimli, go ahead and get rid of your axe. We're going to have no

00:30:31.820 power whatsoever. We're all going to forfeit our powers. And you know what I mean? That would be

00:30:36.800 the equivalent of what they're advocating for, and that would be absolutely foolish. What we're 0.96

00:30:41.860 saying is that civil power is actually God's idea and it is inevitable, right? It is inevitable.

00:30:50.660 It's going to exist. Someone's going to have it. It's going to be wielded in a righteous way or

00:30:56.280 it's going to be wielded in a wicked way. And so it would be nice if the righteous seized power

00:31:03.100 through ethical means, ways that don't contradict scripture, and then use that power

00:31:10.360 in a righteous way for the good of the populace,

00:31:13.600 for the good of the public.

00:31:14.620 And so, anyway, so that's, you know,

00:31:16.960 I was just thinking about that

00:31:17.840 as you were talking about power.

00:31:19.020 You know, it's gonna be there.

00:31:21.980 Someone's gonna pick it up.

00:31:23.180 And I think part of the reason conservatives

00:31:24.820 are so good at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory

00:31:29.420 that we just lose and lose and lose and lose

00:31:32.400 is because the group that just wants to be left alone

00:31:36.120 is never going to beat the group that wants to win.

00:31:39.640 That's right. 0.99

00:31:39.840 You know, leftists, you know, Marxists, socialists, communists, they're wicked. 0.99

00:31:46.160 Yeah. 0.99

00:31:46.880 But, you know, as wicked as they are, I've got to give them props.

00:31:51.780 Those guys want to win.

00:31:53.560 Those guys are playing for keeps.

00:31:55.860 And it turns out that the team that wants to win usually ends up winning.

00:32:01.600 Crazy.

00:32:02.500 It is crazy.

00:32:04.480 I know.

00:32:05.340 It's, you know, you hit what you aim for.

00:32:07.620 What a shock, you know.

00:32:09.840 But I think, yeah, that's another American thing, too, because like, you know, when I when I again, when I was in civics class and then I went to college and became a libertarian for a little while, my politics was basically like, I just want to be left alone.

00:32:22.360 And that's fine. But the thing is, though, that if you're in politics, that doesn't work. Right.

00:32:29.320 So if you want your government to leave you alone, you actually do have to be active in politics all the time.

00:32:36.420 Like it's, it's not enough to just kind of mind your own business as a politician, because

00:32:41.660 there's people that don't want you to be left alone and they're going to be doing stuff.

00:32:46.340 And so you have to constantly be, uh, using power, um, to good ends in order to get what

00:32:53.920 you want.

00:32:54.540 To protect those freedoms.

00:32:55.600 You're right.

00:32:55.980 And with the left alone thing, the libertarians, I keep thinking, you know, um, they really

00:33:00.240 have set freedom as the ultimate aim.

00:33:02.180 So we want freedom.

00:33:03.980 But guys who make freedom the ultimate aim,

00:33:06.180 I've noticed this pattern.

00:33:08.640 When freedom is your ultimate aim, 0.93

00:33:11.020 you tend to be immoral, degenerate.

00:33:13.900 Whereas if you make virtue your ultimate aim,

00:33:18.040 what comes with virtue,

00:33:19.560 if you shoot for freedom, you don't get virtue.

00:33:22.920 If you shoot for virtue,

00:33:24.300 you do get freedom truly defined

00:33:27.840 as the way that God would define freedom.

00:33:30.240 Because a lot of the libertarians,

00:33:31.580 what they want is second amendment rights, guns, land, and, and homos that, you know what I mean? 0.99

00:33:40.000 Like that's like, that, that's what it comes out to, right? They just, they just elected the, 1.00

00:33:44.900 the libertarian, just chose the libertarian candidate for the libertarian party and the

00:33:49.400 dudes down for trans and kids, right? Because that is, to be fair, that is, that's a true 0.97

00:33:55.620 libertarian position. Libertarianism is not synonymous with morality. It's just synonymous

00:34:01.820 with let me do whatever I want, which is not a moral position. We don't want just a population

00:34:08.200 that gets to do whatever they want. We want a population that is being constantly pressed

00:34:12.980 forward towards doing what God wants. We want virtue, and out of virtue will come true freedom.

00:34:18.420 We don't want man's autonomy, a perverted sense of freedom, ultimate freedom, freedom to indulge in wickedness that will never lead to virtue.

00:34:31.520 And that's something, you don't figure that out necessarily in your 20s, you know, at least me and you didn't, you know, but isn't it funny, like the older we get, like, I feel like, you know, you just start to see things differently, you know,

00:34:47.240 and things that you thought were so right, you know, like libertarianism. I feel like everybody

00:34:52.980 in their 20s, you know, had a libertarian phase. And now it's like, oh, that was dumb. Gosh, I was 0.99

00:34:58.460 dumb. You just grow up. So anyways, last thing I'll say is, or that we can say that I would 1.00

00:35:05.880 like us to talk about is elite theory, right? Speaking of things that you start to see different

00:35:09.960 when you grow up. So we were talking offline a little bit about this, but for the longest time,

00:35:14.840 this is how I thought. I thought politics is just downstream of culture. Culture is just downstream

00:35:19.880 of religion, theology, faith. And so I thought, you know, it's because, you know, because the

00:35:26.820 church has compromised in America for decades and we've watered down preaching and doctrine and

00:35:33.720 faith, religion, because of that, the culture has degraded. So we've got that produced a worse

00:35:38.960 culture, and then a worse culture gave rise to worse politicians and worse politics. So

00:35:45.860 religion, as we compromise there, we got a worse culture that produced worse politics. And I want 1.00

00:35:51.320 to be clear, I think that that is true. But what's changed for me is I've realized that that is not

00:35:56.500 the whole truth. There is a truth to that. That system does happen. That's a reality. But then

00:36:02.700 what I started realizing is this. At the same time, there's another truth, and both are true.

00:36:07.920 there's also elites that are pushing certain agendas. So for instance, just think of this

00:36:15.240 as it pertains to culture and entertainment, media, Hollywood. Was it really, was it really

00:36:22.240 that people in the 1950s, right? Just the general populace, the majority of the population in the

00:36:28.540 1950s, that they just started advocating and saying, you know what? We just want gay sex 0.99

00:36:36.320 in movies. We just, we want it, give it to us, Hollywood, you know, and Hollywood wasn't going 1.00

00:36:40.380 to give it to them, you know, but the culture degraded. And then the politics, the leaders,

00:36:45.340 the rulers, the elites, you know, in the political realm and in the entertainment realm, then they 1.00

00:36:50.360 caved and said, all right, here's your gay sex. You know, we'll just, we'll start putting that 0.99

00:36:54.160 in movies or, right. Or let's, let's just entertain. I know it's, it's another crazy

00:36:59.400 thought here, but, or was it that there were actually elites in Hollywood that wanted all

00:37:05.880 along to push perversion and degeneracy, but the population, the general population wouldn't have

00:37:13.340 it. And so what they did was they just pushed the boundaries as much as they could progressively

00:37:18.420 one inch at a time. And that that actually shaped the culture. So instead of the culture was bad,

00:37:24.500 And then that gave us bad leaders. Is it possible that you have bad leaders who shape the culture

00:37:31.520 into becoming bad? I think to think that that doesn't exist is I just think a level of just

00:37:39.160 bushy-tailed innocence and naivety that we can't afford in this current cultural moment.

00:37:44.140 Of course, there are elites in politics, but not just politics. I'm talking markets,

00:37:48.300 business, economics, Hollywood. We're talking entertainment. We're talking in medicine and

00:37:55.440 all these different realms. There have been powerful people who have a certain agenda

00:38:01.320 of degeneracy, of progressive wickedness that have constantly been pushing the boundaries of

00:38:08.440 what's generally acceptable among the public who have been guiding. They've been discipling us.

00:38:15.080 They have been discipling the culture towards further and further immorality.

00:38:21.000 And you've got to be able to see that.

00:38:24.340 Yeah, I think that once you really look into this, it is indisputable that that is how it went down.

00:38:33.540 And also, but it also can be kind of self-perpetuating.

00:38:38.260 What I mean is, you know, I'll give you a good example, right?

00:38:41.740 Like me and my wife have been watching Boy Meets World because, you know, we both grew up watching Boy Meets World and we were we remember it very fondly.

00:38:49.560 And it was the show that we watched and all of that.

00:38:52.360 And I personally remember it being pretty wholesome.

00:38:56.300 And it really isn't at all.

00:38:59.160 If you go back and watch Boy Meets World now, I think you'll be surprised at that.

00:39:04.240 There's some degeneracy for sure in that show.

00:39:06.700 And it's presented as fairly normal.

00:39:09.240 um there's even a a a scene where uh you know cory is talking to sean and um earlier in the in the

00:39:19.520 in the show sean had like just kind of randomly thrown flowers and one of the jocks grabbed it

00:39:23.760 and he was obviously a gay got gay guy he was happy to get these flowers and then like you know

00:39:28.180 later he's like upset that cory says something like he loves sean as a as a friend of course

00:39:33.140 and he gets all upset like and it's like i don't remember that kind of stuff when i was a kid like

00:39:37.020 there's a there's a legitimate homosexual there who's presented as a normal guy just a normal

00:39:41.260 jock look people like that do exist but it's not like something to be like oh that's nice it's so 0.53

00:39:46.320 he's feeling jealous like anyway my point is you get small stuff like that it's not a big deal

00:39:51.720 right not not that big a deal but then it just kind of encourages and empowers degeneracy just

00:39:57.820 a little bit and then the next then then new people get into hollywood that say oh you know

00:40:02.240 like this is something that we can do like we can get away with this and they push it a little bit

00:40:05.880 more and then new people come in that are more radical and they push it a little bit more and

00:40:09.260 then they push a little more and then you get shows that are all about how gay people are 0.98

00:40:12.700 wonderful and christians are evil like that's the whole point of the show and so like and with that 0.97

00:40:18.080 the question is what comes first the chicken or the egg and i right what we're saying is i um i 0.95

00:40:24.100 don't think it was that the general population of the united states was saying uh was was beyond

00:40:30.480 ahead of hollywood and saying nobody wanted to see it exactly then they started seeing it

00:40:35.540 it's like will and grace remember that show exactly will and grace that's that's what i

00:40:40.760 was talking about yeah yeah exactly yeah so like they um you know it was it wasn't just like hey

00:40:46.240 um gay people exist no no no that's that's not it was gay people exist and they're wonderful

00:40:52.840 they're they're not um they're they're not uh uh perverted and you know they're they're just 0.96

00:40:58.860 wonderful and they're silly and they're funny and um and and i that was not when will and grace

00:41:04.260 came out, it wasn't that 51% of the population of the United States was saying, you know what

00:41:09.480 we really want to see? We want to see more gay people in television. No, it was Hollywood was

00:41:16.240 saying, you know what you need to see? That's the point I'm making. It's not the general population

00:41:21.420 saying, we want this and therefore Hollywood gives it to them. No, it's Hollywood saying,

00:41:26.280 we want this and you need this, there's a destination. We have an agenda. We have a goal.

00:41:36.120 We are herding you like a bunch of sheep towards a particular destination. And here's the next

00:41:44.620 benchmark. And so just going a little further. And so my whole point is just to say that it's not

00:41:49.520 just that politics is downstream of culture and culture is downstream of religion. There's also

00:41:55.720 something so it's not just that the church lost its way the church failed don't don't get me wrong

00:41:59.780 i'm not making excuses for the church but it's not just the church lost its way therefore the

00:42:04.080 culture became bad and then uh we got bad leaders right that's what people that's your your post

00:42:11.320 war sentiment 1945 post you know modern western american thinking that says you know the culture

00:42:20.100 became bad and then we got bad leaders. No, no, no, no, no, no. We got some bad influential people

00:42:26.660 and they discipled the culture. And here's the deal. If you're wondering, for anybody who's

00:42:33.800 listening, I want to be not unhinged, but I also don't want to be a coward and I want to be truthful

00:42:40.640 and just to put a little bit more specificity on this. When we say we got bad leaders and they

00:42:45.560 produced a bad culture. Part of what I'm talking about is I am talking about after the war, World

00:42:51.800 War I and World War II, that's where we got the Frankfurt School. That's where we got certain 0.75

00:42:57.500 people came into the country and a lot of them were Jews. I'm just going to say it. It's just

00:43:02.520 a fact. They came into the country and they began in a very systematic designed way to peddle bad

00:43:10.240 ideas into the populace to shape the culture in a negative way, like Marxism and like degeneracy,

00:43:16.380 like pornography, like, you know, these kinds of things. And my point is that did affect the world.

00:43:22.760 It's not just that the world got bad just organically on its own, you know, that 1950s 0.99

00:43:29.140 housewives, you know, just got together at the pool one day, you know, and decided more gay sex 0.99

00:43:35.660 is what we need. That's not how, I can't believe, I honestly feel embarrassed. I can't believe there 1.00

00:43:41.900 was a time that I actually thought that's the way the world worked. Because it's not. It's not,

00:43:47.240 you read the Bible, that's not how it works. It's not the people produce a certain kind of leader.

00:43:52.660 No, it's leaders shape people, right? That's the way it works in the church. That's the way that

00:43:58.060 works in the politics, with politics. That's the way it works in entertainment. That's the way it

00:44:04.500 works in business. And so in all these ways, if you had righteous leaders, if you had, I mean,

00:44:11.860 even with Twitter, I'm not even saying Elon Musk is righteous. I don't think he is,

00:44:15.660 but he's better than Jack Dorsey. He's better than Zuckerberg, you know, better. And just with,

00:44:20.640 here's a guy who's a multi, multi, multi-billionaire. He takes over a speech platform,

00:44:27.800 social media platform. And what happens? It wasn't just that the general populace in Twitter said,

00:44:33.220 we want more free speech to articulate things on the right and then they gave it to us no way

00:44:38.080 we we wanted that and you know what uh the the overlords and twitter said before elon came in

00:44:43.300 they said tough luck too bad yeah right but then you get a leader a new leader you change leadership

00:44:49.800 and he says uh no we're gonna do this and you get it that's the way the world works and and here's

00:44:56.200 the last thing anybody who doesn't think the world works that way they need to understand that that's

00:45:00.660 not just an observation of politics and leadership and elite theory and stuff. That's also, it is a

00:45:06.740 biblical principle. Here's the deal. For all the guys who are all about federal headship, right?

00:45:11.680 Because we know guys, good guys, we love these guys, but they would say, they would make statements

00:45:16.480 like this. Hey, if the family's falling apart, the wife may be to blame, but the husband is

00:45:24.380 responsible, right? So the wife may be sinning, but the husband ultimately is responsible. He's 0.67

00:45:29.960 captain on the ship. And so somebody else under his command can make the mistake, but the captain

00:45:35.380 bears the responsibility. That's federal headship. Well, if that applies for the family, that applies

00:45:40.280 for a nation. It does. So what I'm saying is, because guys will want to, they want to absolve

00:45:46.840 certain groups of influential people from moral responsibility and culpability. And I would say,

00:45:52.500 well, wait a second, you're not doing federal headship brother. Because in the family, you're

00:45:57.460 the first person to say that if my wife does something terrible that hurts our family,

00:46:01.880 I'm the one who ultimately bears responsibility. Well, all I'm trying to say is that a national

00:46:06.520 level, likewise, that the populace can sin just like the wife can sin, but the leaders bear the 0.87

00:46:12.600 responsibility. And right now, when you look at the leadership, you see an exponentially 0.57

00:46:17.460 overrepresented group pushing towards degeneracy. And I want to say that if they are in actual 0.97

00:46:27.240 positions of leadership politically, in terms of media and economically and these kinds of things,

00:46:35.160 then to say that that has shaped the country, that that federal headship, that that leadership

00:46:40.520 actually has affected the country and that that bears a unique responsibility,

00:46:46.540 that's just doing, I feel like that's just thinking biblically. I don't think that's a

00:46:51.820 crazy conspiracy or a crazy position. And to say, yeah, so you get it.

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00:49:22.540 yeah yeah well i mean yeah and and i think um i think i think this is easier to see a lot uh a lot

00:49:30.020 more these days i mean um i i always you know when you get the uh when you get the the version

00:49:36.920 of ghostbusters that comes out with the all-female cast right right um nobody wants it nobody wants

00:49:43.600 it right nobody went to go see it nope it didn't they don't make money doing it but they're doing 0.97

00:49:48.840 it and um if if if if they if they were kind of responding to what the people were and what they

00:49:56.700 wanted and what they liked um they would stop doing that kind of thing because they lose money

00:50:00.720 on that stuff all the time but they keep doing it and so it's not going to be surprising when i see 0.99

00:50:06.440 the next all-female cast

00:50:08.560 of, I don't know, like Braveheart or something.

00:50:11.380 Did you see the box office?

00:50:12.240 I'm not going to be surprised.

00:50:14.040 Did you see the box office results for the new

00:50:16.320 Mad Max movie?

00:50:18.060 It was like the biggest

00:50:20.640 bomb, I think, in like 30 years.

00:50:22.440 The lowest rating blockbuster

00:50:24.380 film. Mad Max was a massive

00:50:26.300 success in

00:50:28.360 economic terms. They did a new one

00:50:30.440 except here's the main difference. 1.00

00:50:32.340 It's a female protagonist who beats up 1.00

00:50:34.460 all the men. And it turns out

00:50:36.360 nobody wants to see there was a garfield movie that no one had even heard of that almost topped

00:50:41.780 the mad max sequel in in the box office so it's not like hey we're doing this because the populace

00:50:47.580 wants it we want to make money it's uh no we are disciple want to shape the culture and so here's

00:50:53.600 the thing so you know that that little boy meets world scenario that i told you again not a huge

00:50:58.620 deal it was a little thing um but you see the thing is like boy meets world probably didn't

00:51:04.500 lose money on that you know especially those days because you didn't know what you're gonna get it

00:51:09.060 just was on friday and you watched it friday right but like but like they didn't lose but but here's

00:51:13.860 the thing though like they they they're not doing it for the money necessarily and they they and

00:51:20.500 also they they didn't they they don't they don't know how much more people would have loved the

00:51:26.000 show if they hadn't done that which probably they would have um but they're doing it because they're 0.92

00:51:32.200 on an evil mission they want to push us in a direction where christians are weirdos and you 0.97

00:51:40.280 know gay people are abused they they want to tell that story and it doesn't matter that it costs 0.99

00:51:45.980 them something they want to tell the story where the woman can beat up all the guys and and say 0.99

00:51:51.100 stupid stuff you know about how she's not a man you know things like that i don't know what she 0.92

00:51:55.720 said who cares i don't know i'm not gonna watch it they want to push that stuff and it doesn't 1.00

00:52:01.320 really matter if they mean they want to make money i'm not saying they don't but it doesn't

00:52:05.120 matter to them if they do or not because they've got a different agenda they've got an evil

00:52:08.980 agenda to demoralize people to promote certain things that's what they want to do and they're

00:52:15.380 doing it in every facet of the elite every facet of the elite is doing this in medicine and media

00:52:22.340 in politics you're absolutely right in business and the thing is we are we're all laughing at

00:52:27.660 mad max and ghostbusters and all these kinds of movies and stuff but the thing is though that

00:52:32.780 that stuff does actually move the needle it really does it does move the needle and so we can all

00:52:38.200 laugh at it but um in in a few years we're going to get something 10 times worse and um it does

00:52:44.760 speak to especially like younger people who are more impressionable like they'll see that stuff

00:52:50.100 and and think that it's amazing and awesome like even disney movies where they'll have like the 0.99

00:52:55.220 the princesses start kicking butt all of a sudden like we all laugh at that it's stupid you know 0.99

00:53:00.360 we're not going to go see it but a lot of kids will see it and the girls are like oh girl power 1.00

00:53:05.080 i can do anything a man can do and then they and before long they're transing into a guy 0.99

00:53:09.340 or whatever and it's it's like this is this stuff does move the needle it's comical and stupid 0.95

00:53:15.360 but it it absolutely directs people yep i uh even if it's outlandish too that's the other thing 0.76

00:53:21.260 people think well if it's outlandish it won't it won't land it doesn't really fully land but it

00:53:27.500 pushes the needle of what it's acceptable and what is uh tolerable and and stuff like that so even if

00:53:33.640 no one likes it they still tolerate it more than they used to right it provides even if everybody

00:53:39.520 hates it then then that uh it's it's calculated strategic you're you it's like chess right so

00:53:45.480 you're sacrificing a pawn over here you know it's going to get captured but you're doing that to um

00:53:51.120 so that you can free up a bishop over there

00:53:53.180 for a calculated play.

00:53:54.600 So it's like, okay,

00:53:55.400 so we're gonna throw out this play on the left

00:53:57.460 that's way outside the Overton window.

00:53:59.320 And we know that not only are people on the right

00:54:01.800 going to dislike it,

00:54:03.820 but the whole population is gonna hate it.

00:54:06.440 Okay, but that doesn't mean it failed.

00:54:08.380 That means that it's a calculated produced cover fire

00:54:11.320 for this other thing.

00:54:12.740 So that, you know, it's like the classic

00:54:15.760 good cop, bad cop strategy, right?

00:54:18.180 So like, we're gonna bring in the bad cop

00:54:20.040 so that the good cop, by contrast, by comparison, looks reasonable. 0.83

00:54:24.440 But all that being said, I think this is what conservative Christians need to get.

00:54:27.880 And this is what I've been learning in the last couple of years 0.74

00:54:29.900 that I didn't get because of my own ignorance.

00:54:32.120 I didn't see it.

00:54:33.560 But this is what they need to get.

00:54:34.840 I think for the longest time, our response was just laughing and poking fun

00:54:41.460 because what we thought was when we thought of the left, 1.00

00:54:44.320 we thought these people are stupid. 1.00

00:54:46.400 And look, Disney is going bankrupt. 1.00

00:54:51.120 Disney is losing money making progressive film

00:54:54.880 after progressive film after progressive film.

00:54:57.160 They're bombing in the box offices. 1.00

00:54:59.220 Disney's going broke because they're stupid. 1.00

00:55:02.800 And that was not the correct analysis. 1.00

00:55:05.880 That's not what it is.

00:55:07.040 No, this is what it actually is.

00:55:08.780 Disney has conviction.

00:55:10.320 and disney is willing to sacrifice mountains of cash in order to promote their agenda they're not 1.00

00:55:20.160 stupid they're evil there's a difference between yeah i'm stupid losing money on accident because 0.99

00:55:27.820 i i'm clueless versus i'm calculated and wicked and we're willing to lose this money for our 1.00

00:55:35.340 ultimate goal it turns out that some of these companies is as much as they're devoted to

00:55:39.640 capitalism, and as much as they're devoted to making money, again, I've got to tip my hat

00:55:44.680 to some of these leftist companies. They actually care about money less than a lot of companies,

00:55:52.020 conservatives on the right. They are absolutely, it's calculated. It's not an accident. It's not

00:55:56.960 that they're stupid or ignorant or didn't see it coming. They know this movie will not do nearly 1.00

00:56:02.040 as well as it could, and we will make less money, and we accept that because our agenda of perverting

00:56:08.620 the nation is more valuable to us than money they are committed yeah you can i mean you can see it

00:56:15.420 they say it directly sometimes you know they'll have like the ceo starbucks will say you know if

00:56:20.280 you're uh against lgbt rights don't drink my coffee right like like like they're objectively

00:56:25.960 saying like don't give me the money if you don't if you're not with the program i mean but this is

00:56:30.860 the thing like like they everyone knows that you are willing to spend money and and and use money

00:56:39.660 that you may lose for the things that you value i mean that's just obvious right like everyone

00:56:45.220 human human beings that's what they do um and so they value all kinds of degeneracy they like it

00:56:51.380 and um it's not just entertainment i mean this is politicians do this i mean they

00:56:56.620 lots of people run for office and spend a ton of money trying to do evil things and they know that

00:57:02.920 they might not win but they're still willing to do it um this is obvious this is totally obvious

00:57:08.960 um yes the people play a part because we of course choose to tolerate certain things people are led

00:57:16.320 i mean that's why the bible describes us as sheep we're led you know what i mean and if you think

00:57:21.060 you're not then you're the probably the most led person ever you know what i mean everyone is like

00:57:25.960 this um and so and and and even righteous people too like like um there's a lot of people that i

00:57:33.600 think are are legitimate christians that they'll put their pronouns in their bio when they see

00:57:40.220 other people doing it right because they want to fit in they want to be nice and it's not like they

00:57:45.000 buy into the gender stuff but they do it and they just they're they're they're easily led by people

00:57:50.760 that have strong voices that tell them this is what we're doing now it is very rare to have

00:57:55.620 somebody who works at a company and the company says hey we're all putting our pronouns in our

00:58:00.580 signature it is rare to find someone that says i'm not doing it you're going to have to fire me

00:58:06.140 if you want me to do it that's rare it happens but it's very rare most people will put those

00:58:12.580 pronouns in the bio and they'll be ashamed about it they'll be embarrassed about it but they're

00:58:17.100 just not they don't i i saw in a group chat i'm not going to say who said it because i don't i

00:58:20.960 don't like to give up names in group chat but somebody said it perfectly he said most men

00:58:27.160 simply lack the testosterone levels to fight yes as simple as that and that is basic and it is

00:58:33.720 very it's very much that simple and we can talk about all the reasons why they lack the testosterone

00:58:38.280 to do it um but the reality is that is the case because the chemicals in the water are turning

00:58:44.940 the frog's gay that's why yeah yeah yeah which i actually do think that that's true but i i listen

00:58:52.200 but this is the thing that's so that's so wild about that even that's gonna be a little bit of 0.95

00:58:56.480 this is gonna be a little bit of a tangent but but you saying that is gonna cause all the the

00:59:03.520 the women in the twitter feed to be all upset right that's the kind of thing that you would

00:59:08.740 say that people would you know get all over you for you know the women and gay and the men yeah

00:59:13.500 that kind of thing right the the women and the men that are female adjacent they all get all 0.69

00:59:19.320 their panties in a bunch about that kind of stuff but they're all proving that they've been losing

00:59:25.080 tea this entire time because that something that's something that like francis schaefer talked about

00:59:30.340 in like the 90s and nobody said oh francis schaefer how how could you you're just an evil

00:59:36.440 you know bigot maybe they did say i don't know i was i wasn't aware but but like francis schaefer

00:59:41.540 is revered and he he's done content about putting things in the water to do things to us like not

00:59:49.720 because of our teeth because of other reasons right like this is this like that kind of stuff

00:59:55.480 like if you even float that nowadays people get all you know freaked out that our leaders you

01:00:01.260 know that that's that now no but but this is the whatever the reasons are most guys uh they'll just

01:00:08.360 go with the flow they're they're sheep and that's it but the thing is that's how we all are and so

01:00:14.200 like we we need to recognize that as we engage with the world you know you're right most people

01:00:19.520 i mean it's really simple when you just stop and think about it's like of course did god create

01:00:24.960 the majority of people to be leaders that wouldn't even make sense like who would you lead

01:00:30.520 right? If 51% of the human population is leaders, then everyone is leading one person and some of

01:00:40.500 the leaders are leading nobody because there's not enough followers. Of course, we know that's

01:00:44.720 not what God did. We know that leaders are rare, right? There are more followers at any given

01:00:50.360 moment than there are leaders. That's just the way that the world works. Of course, that's the

01:00:54.580 way that it works. And everybody is a leader. I get it. Everyone is a leader in a sense that,

01:00:59.520 you know, everyone should be leading themselves, at least self-led, self-governed, at least every

01:01:06.100 Christian that's, you know, self-government for the Christian is just the fruit of the Spirit,

01:01:10.540 which is self-control. But the reality is that most people, and I won't even speak about Christians,

01:01:16.420 but I'm just saying most of the population, many who are not Christian, are not self-governed

01:01:21.660 right now. They're not leading themselves. They're not self-controlled. And not only are 0.98

01:01:26.560 they're not leading themselves, well, if they're not even leading themselves, then of course,

01:01:30.360 they're failing to lead others. In any society, at any given time, you're going to have less leaders

01:01:35.700 and more followers. And so all that being said, my point is, it's not just that the world got

01:01:43.860 together, that the citizens of the United States got together one day and decided,

01:01:48.200 we care about the rights of Ukraine. We care about Palestine. We care about Israel.

01:01:56.560 We care about, you know, Black Lives Matter, you know, or gay pride.

01:02:01.200 But Joel, and this is what I was trying to say earlier. 0.60

01:02:02.780 It perpetuates itself.

01:02:04.280 It's not what happened, right?

01:02:05.580 So they were told that now we're all Ukrainian.

01:02:09.800 We're all going to put their Ukrainian flag in the bio and we're all pro-Ukraine.

01:02:14.360 They were told what to do and they did it.

01:02:16.200 And now, and this is how it perpetuates itself.

01:02:18.620 Now, people will demand to get a pro Ukrainian, you know, representative or senator or whatever.

01:02:27.040 And it didn't come. The idea didn't start with them. But now they're running with the idea and demanding it.

01:02:32.960 Right. So if you if you're not pro Ukraine, you're not even electable anymore.

01:02:36.900 Like this is this is how it works. So it perpetuates itself.

01:02:40.080 And I think part partially some of the confusion here is we're seeing the second half of that and saying, oh, you see, the people are pro Ukraine.

01:02:48.620 um it would it would have been almost just as easy for the for the state to have said

01:02:54.640 we're pro-russia exactly ukraine ukraine has completely you know you know missed the ball

01:02:59.480 on this one we're we're pro-russia and even though putin was our enemy the day before

01:03:04.600 we probably would be in a situation right now if they just said it and everybody said it right

01:03:09.340 you know all the media well ukraine is appealing to nato and wants to you know which is their

01:03:13.520 nazis it would have been easy to spin there's nazis in ukraine uh they're appealing to nato

01:03:18.360 which poses an immediate threat as neighbors sharing a border with Russia. And they've been

01:03:23.760 putting up all these bases in Ukraine for decades that has been a threat to Russia. 0.72

01:03:28.700 Russia is just protecting their homeland. Exactly. So, so exactly. So it's not that the

01:03:34.340 Ukraine narrative, the pro Ukraine narrative was so much more believable. It's, it's, you could,

01:03:40.920 you could have spun it either way easily. And, and it's not that the public determined that

01:03:47.760 without biases from just a simply, you know, perfectly objective, you know, blank slate.

01:03:53.860 No, our leaders, they saw what was going on before the public ever heard about it.

01:03:58.840 And they determined for their interest that it was better to be pro-Ukraine and against

01:04:05.440 Russia. And then they spun that narrative. And the average person, everybody thinks that we're

01:04:11.960 individual, that we're snowflakes, that we're unique and that we think for ourselves.

01:04:15.740 You don't, you don't, you don't. You've got to understand that 99% of the population, their position is not individual original thought. Their position is, I support the current thing. What do I put in my bio? Okay, yes, sir. How many rainbow flags? Yes, sir. Ukraine? Oh, switch it to Israel now? Yes, sir. That is the average person. And if you can't see that, dude, you just don't know what time it is.

01:04:43.280 And this is, and this honestly, like, this is how most people are. You're a hundred percent right. And this is why, um, for Christian nationalists, this is why we should have a lot of confidence that things can change much quicker than we think they can, because we don't need to convince 51% of people that Christ is Lord. We don't have to convince them. We just have to be in the right positions and with the right authority and to say, okay, here's what we're doing now. This is what we're going to do now.

01:05:09.380 We just got to be in the right group chat that gets Barron Trump into it and then begins to just, it's inception, right?

01:05:18.500 Listen, I'm not going to confirm or deny that Barron Trump is already in our group chats.

01:05:22.800 Yeah, Barron Trump, he's an anon.

01:05:25.500 I believe with all my heart that he is an anon on Twitter.

01:05:28.500 As we speak, he follows your account.

01:05:30.560 He follows mine.

01:05:31.680 He's seen what the world has done to his father and how they have betrayed him and wronged him.

01:05:36.700 And he's sitting there practicing, playing, you know, Age of Empires, you know, on his computer and stuff, honing his warlike skills.

01:05:45.320 And he's going to rise to power.

01:05:48.020 I think I think people would be surprised if you found out like the kinds of people that we're talking to and you're following that are following us and stuff like that.

01:05:59.480 um and and it's it's very easy to to to mock christian nationalism as a small movement fringe

01:06:06.280 nobody cares and as far as i'm concerned they can keep doing it um but it is it's not going to take

01:06:12.660 much man it's just going to take one or two key spots that's right and some of those things are

01:06:17.100 already in the works and it's no you're right listen listen this is this is um we should have

01:06:22.460 a lot of this is how people are for better or for worse this is how this is the reality of the

01:06:27.520 situation most people just go with whatever we're doing now and um i can even like people say oh

01:06:34.760 nobody's going to stand for your christian theocracy that is not the case i mean i cannot

01:06:38.700 tell you how many conversations i've had with regular people that are unbelievers right that i

01:06:43.360 know i know would be with us if we said christ is lord and we're not going to go for this degeneracy 1.00

01:06:50.660 anymore and we're going to put a stop to this lgbt madness oh yeah i know so many pagans that this is 0.92

01:06:57.460 the calculus i think i've told you this before joel where i'm talking to someone this is someone 0.97

01:07:01.320 i know well i know what he believes and he'll go off on some rant about some gay thing in school

01:07:07.580 and he'll say something like this this is actually almost word for word he's like yeah you know he's

01:07:12.480 cursing you know you take prayer out of school and you know this is what you end up with you

01:07:15.920 end up with tampons in the men's room and you know right and you look at him you're like

01:07:20.480 like how does this guy get it and i know what he believes right gets it he gets the connection

01:07:28.640 you can't tell me that there are not thousands and thousands and thousands of people just like

01:07:34.320 him that are that are they know they're unbelievers they don't believe and but they

01:07:38.680 make these connections and they would be absolutely with anyone who said look christ is lord there's

01:07:43.940 no more tampons in the in the men's restroom as simple as that yep they'll be with it yep 0.64

01:07:48.900 every gay pride parade they'd be with it if they started enforcing uh you know anti uh or enforcing 0.85

01:07:55.300 um um uh decency laws against the pride parades they'd be with it they'd be supporting it and 0.99

01:08:01.320 maybe they don't even know why but they but they make the connection they'd be with it they don't

01:08:05.140 they're not worried about us saying christ is lord that's to their they should be worried about

01:08:09.580 that but they're not and and and so they'd be in full support this is the thing like like we should

01:08:15.660 have a lot of confidence. You know what I mean? Like don't, don't let anyone black pill you and

01:08:19.140 thinking, oh, there's only like 10 of you and stuff like that. It doesn't take a lot of people. 0.99

01:08:23.340 That's right. Because things can change. God, God sometimes takes forever to do something suddenly

01:08:27.440 and, and things can switch, right? The vibe shift, you know, the winds can change. The tide can change

01:08:34.440 overnight. Uh, because the, because what we've been saying this whole episode, the majority of

01:08:40.600 people, the reason why things can change so quickly is because the majority of people are followers.

01:08:44.960 They're not leaders, which means that you don't have to change the minds of 330 million people.

01:08:52.180 All you have to do, right?

01:08:53.760 You were saying these guys could hop on board, right?

01:08:56.040 These pagans and atheists and, you know, could hop on board.

01:08:59.160 And all it would take, this is what it would take, is not just us having the right position,

01:09:04.220 but the right people, strategic, influential people adopting that right position.

01:09:10.000 And then back to, you know, C point A. Yeah, we're not going to name any names. But, you know,

01:09:17.700 Barron Trump, that was a bit of a joke. Although, I don't know, who knows, maybe he is an anon

01:09:22.040 following somebody's account. But you're absolutely right. Without sharing, you know,

01:09:26.020 too many details or names, it is a fact that people, massively influential people, high,

01:09:33.740 high, high, high up. And it's not just that we have a speculation. No, they are calling us,

01:09:41.320 texting us. Hey, I saw what you posted on Twitter. I think that's really good. Hey,

01:09:46.180 I watched your podcast. I think that's really good. I'm talking massive celebrities,

01:09:51.640 million, if not billionaires. Yeah, you can keep patting yourself on the back and consoling

01:09:59.340 yourself that Christian nationalism will go away. It will. It will go away. It won't. It won't. 0.89

01:10:06.720 You might as well go ahead and get with the program. Jesus is Lord. That's a good thing.

01:10:13.840 Let's be happy about it. And let's get some work done. Any final thoughts for this episode?

01:10:20.000 No, man. This has been fantastic. Thanks for inviting me again. I appreciate it. Oh, and by

01:10:25.860 the way i uh have something to talk to you about someone on twitter was saying was asking um very

01:10:31.440 antagonistic to you and asking um if i'm i'm a page uh shill of you so um and they're suggesting

01:10:38.580 that i should be paid for uh my board work on right response and so uh we need to talk

01:10:43.400 you're you're not a paid shill um but i can see why you would want to be

01:10:49.500 anyway man god bless you this is great you too bye

01:10:55.860 We'll be right back.

The NXR Podcast - June 03, 2024

THE INTERVIEW - American Dictator & “Elite Theory” with AD Robles

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