00:04:41.500One of the things that you said that I found really helpful was just saying that one of
00:04:45.340the reasons why our overlords can get away and our culture just at large can get away
00:04:50.140with being so fake is because of the accrued capital that's come from like the industrial
00:04:56.980revolution or, you know, just, um, the last hundred years of, of accruing just this, a massive amount
00:05:04.460of wealth. Like Doug Wilson says it like this. He says like, you know, the prodigal, uh, when he
00:05:08.860took his father's money, he didn't, he didn't spend it all, you know, overnight. It took a while for
00:05:13.280him to actually, cause his, his dad worked hard. His dad was wealthy. So it's, it's a lot of wealth
00:05:18.360that you got to burn through. And one of those things is, it's not just the capital and the
00:05:22.160wealth, but it's also when you think about how people work today, how they produce because of
00:05:28.100innovations and technology and all these kinds of things, it allows for us to pretend, especially
00:05:33.380when we think about gender, it allows us to pretend that there really is no difference between male
00:05:37.620and female because once upon a time, in order to produce, in order to work, you actually require
00:05:44.340of physical strength in a way that we don't necessarily require it today. And so I thought
00:05:48.740that that would be interesting to talk about the dynamics between men and women and those kinds of
00:05:52.620things and how, you know, so. Yeah, no, I was just, I was just, when I, when I read that first
00:05:56.820chapter, it reminded me of something that I've had conversations many times with people and
00:06:01.900they've been thanking me for the videos I do, whatever. And one of the things they'll often
00:06:06.160say is it was nice to know that I wasn't crazy. Yeah. Right. And, and that, and that is people
00:06:11.760because, because your, your, your families are real. Your kids are really like you're,
00:06:16.180you know, especially Christians, they've got a lot of times a connection with reality,0.98
00:06:20.340but then they see how fake everything is and they start to wonder, maybe I'm crazy. Right.1.00
00:06:26.820And when they see others that are like that, well, I guess I'm not. Yeah. That's where the
00:06:30.140fakeness comes in here. Right. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, and that that's part of
00:06:34.220the design too, is they want people to be isolated and alone so that when, when you notice,
00:06:40.560oh things are not right everybody else is still you know plugged into the matrix and you're not
00:06:47.600and you feel like you're the one that's taking crazy pills and and you you're completely alone
00:06:53.460right you have nobody alongside with you that says no things are really bad so yeah when when
00:06:58.680you read when you discover that you know there are other people that think like you do that see
00:07:02.740these things are this way it's a huge boost you're not you're not alone you you aren't they want you
00:07:08.820think you are, but, but you're not. And, um, that's, that's part of it. And, and to one of
00:07:14.520the things Joel said, um, it isn't, it isn't just the, the, uh, material wealth that, that was
00:07:20.880accrued over the last hundred or 200 years that were, uh, you know, the equity were, were quickly
00:07:26.720burning through. Um, but it's also, it's also every other form of wealth, like social capital,
00:07:31.300um and and just um inherited a virtue uh across an entire society and civilization
00:07:39.720um that took you know decades centuries millennia to accrue and to build up like the idea uh and
00:07:48.800you would see this um i remember you know like when i was in college that's when the the new
00:07:53.500atheists like uh were doing their thing like christopher hitchens and and daniel dennett
00:07:57.860and James Lindsay. Yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Like he was, he's the young guy. Like these are all
00:08:02.560the old guys, but yeah, they, they were doing their thing and saying, you know, they were always0.98
00:08:06.840arguing that, oh, like I remember Christopher Hitchens was always like, oh no, man, man can
00:08:11.060be good without God. We, we can have virtue without God. And in, in those days in the early
00:08:17.640two thousands, you, you could say stuff like that, right? You could say, uh, because you could,
00:08:22.720you could just be naive and think oh no we got we got all of this social capital and a fairly
00:08:28.280virtuous stable well-ordered society just randomly just yeah it just appeared out of nowhere because
00:08:34.200that's how human beings are right and today you know in year of our lord 2023 um they can't make
00:08:41.300that same argument anymore uh that the world is actually very brutal brutal place um you know
00:08:47.540even just the idea of being able to have a, a society where I come from very small town
00:08:53.200and growing up, at least nobody would lock their doors. A lot of people still don't,
00:08:58.540they don't lock their car doors. And, and when I went and lived in bigger cities, you know,
00:09:03.800I tell people this, that's where, that's what people do there. They couldn't, they couldn't
00:09:07.300fathom that. Like, how could you not lock your home when you leave? Like you're going to get
00:09:11.780robbed um and uh and that's that's that's what's happened across our entire civilization you used
00:09:17.560to be able to have uh very safe um communities where where people could live in peace and that
00:09:24.560that didn't happen by accident that that kind of world was built um across a millennia of of
00:09:30.520christian discipleship and we've we've burned through that very quickly especially in the last
00:09:33.96020 years and um and so this this idea right that um that man could be good without god well that's
00:09:42.420that's that's a much harder argument for these people to make and and people are beginning to
00:09:47.780see this now that you you actually need the the capital that's been built up over generations to
00:09:54.160um to be able to have a functioning stable society and and it's gone right gone and and so the
00:10:00.120question is, and this is, this is stuff we'll get into over, you know, all of these episodes that
00:10:04.360we're doing is how do you, how do you as an individual, right? What can, what can one man
00:10:10.280do in a, in a world that's gone insane, right? What can one man do in a world that is, you know,
00:10:16.440burns down cathedrals that took us, you know, two centuries to build, right? I think that like
00:10:20.860the burning of Notre Dame is, um, it is kind of a, almost like a visual symbol of, of what has
00:10:28.540occurred where here's this cathedral took you know hundreds of years to to finally complete
00:10:32.620and it burnt most of it burns down in a single day and and that's that's trash world that's what
00:10:40.320we've done is the this beautiful thing this beautiful structure our ancestors toiled over
00:10:46.600they didn't even get to see it finished and it and and see the glory of this thing um it's it
00:10:52.680it can go quickly and it's it is so it isn't just tangible material wealth which is the obvious one
00:10:58.960it's it's everything it's it's having a society where people put their shopping carts back in
00:11:04.040the cart corral and that's just assumed right uh things like little like even little tiny things
00:11:09.480like that where you go to the you go to the fast food place and you expect to get good service
00:11:13.900right or a restaurant and the person to like refill your drinks um yeah no vody bacham said
00:11:19.660But I remember doing an interview with him and he said, you can tell, you know, what religion and what kind of like Christian capital a society has when you come to a four-way stop.
00:11:54.340We don't want to honor God and say that, well, this Capitol came from generations and generations
00:11:59.240of people fearing the Lord and living in obedience to his commands.
00:12:03.120And so we're pretending that it just fell out of the sky.
00:12:05.460We're going to accredit everything to the inventions and innovations of man rather than
00:12:10.940recognizing that these inventions and innovations came from a Christian worldview, acknowledging
00:12:16.080God. So that's, you know, that's some of the fakeness, but to talk about a little bit of0.95
00:12:19.740the gayness, I want to just say this too. One thing, cause it's one thing that you reminded me1.00
00:12:24.240of, it seems to be accelerating too. So, and it kind of reminds me, I think it's, it might've
00:12:29.520been Hemingway. They asked him how he went broke and he said, you know, little by little and then
00:12:33.420all at once. Right. Yeah. You know what I mean? And it certainly seems like that's happening,
00:12:36.820You know, where, where we, over time we've been engineered into this fakeness and all that capital that you're talking about is kind of, you know, been, you know, we've been taking it out, not depositing anything back in.
00:12:48.100And now it's like, we got almost nothing.
00:17:57.560So when you use the term, and that's kind of, you know, the title that we're kind of playing
00:18:01.320around with this episode, you know, it's proposed.
00:18:03.160We'll see what it actually ends up being.0.99
00:18:05.160But the title is, you know, trash world, fake and gay.0.99
00:18:08.280but then saying how this, you know, actually seeped into the church, how evangelicals are0.99
00:18:15.340gay and that they've become spiritual homosexuals, that they become, and what we mean by that is0.96
00:18:21.380not that they actually are sexually attracted to the same sex, but we're saying that evangelicals0.98
00:18:26.600by and large, sadly, to our shame, we've become fruitless. We've become fruitless.
00:18:32.880Yeah. Yeah. We've adopted this, the same mindset and lifestyle that, that the homosexual has. I mean, that's, that's what our culture has, has become is, is to a fruitless society that lives to consume, right? Whatever produces and immediately consumes, right? That's, that's the kind of, of, of world that we live in today.
00:18:55.820And it, of course, like within the church and within, you know, both regular evangelical churches and, you know, the big Eva on high that kind of influences everything, it gets dressed up, you know, it gets dressed up as in very holy pietistic language.0.77
00:19:14.260like you can put lipstick on that pig really well and uh and you see that i mean you see it
00:19:20.460especially um over the last 10 or 15 years where people will will talk about the the gift of0.66
00:19:27.260singleness and how right how singleness is so great and so wonderful and like why are they
00:19:32.360saying this who are they saying this to they're saying it to the you know the young 20 30 something
00:19:36.600year old people who um you know have have jobs have careers things like that and have a little
00:19:43.060little bit of income. And instead of forming families, instead of getting married and having
00:19:48.600children, um, they, they don't, uh, for whatever reason, maybe they can't find a spouse, maybe they
00:19:53.840don't want to find a spouse. And so it gives them this kind of cover of you're perfectly fine the
00:19:58.780way you are. Just go pursue your life. Go, go, uh, on vacations, have fun, you know, uh, go have
00:20:06.060brunch with your friends every, uh, on the weekends and take pictures of the, of the food
00:20:11.380and put it on Instagram. That's a perfectly wonderful, wholly fulfilling lifestyle. And
00:20:17.840well, Jesus never got married. Paul never got married. So you're just like them. And so they
00:20:23.300can dress it up that way. But really what it is, is giving license to the same thing that we're
00:20:29.600talking about, a society that is intentionally fruitless, that is intentionally consumerist
00:20:37.020and hyper-consumerist where you're not producing anything for descendants for any any any you know
00:20:44.280um any culture right even even going back to to some of the stuff we already talked about you see
00:20:50.040the people who who lose their minds over um over uh christian culture right um and or cultural
00:20:59.740christianity rather right yeah uh and and they they they hate it i mean you like famously russell
00:21:05.420more, uh, decried, you know, decried it in, I think the New York times or one, one of a publication
00:21:10.640and said, oh, Mayberry leads to hell just as swiftly as Gamora. And, and he thought that
00:21:16.700was such a clever, great line. And it's like, I want to live in Mayberry. I don't want to live
00:21:22.240in Gamora. Um, yes, people go to hell in both places, but for very different reasons. And,
00:21:27.820and, um, and, and so you, you see this, it's like, no, we, we can let the Christian capital0.95
00:21:34.360burn down. We can burn through all of that. And that's good because that's good for the church0.99
00:21:38.920because persecution is great. But one of the big differences between Sodom and Mayberry is not just0.98
00:21:45.120that they go to hell for different reasons, but the way that the people who are going to hell
00:21:49.280treat the people who are going to heaven, right? Like in Sodom, the way that Lot gets treated,
00:21:56.480right? So in a bad city or a good city, there's going to be people who are unregenerate. There's
00:22:02.640going to be people who are. And that's not even to get into the percentages and numbers, because
00:22:07.000I think in a good city, I think that actually does lend towards more people actually being born
00:22:12.660again by grace alone, too faithful in Christ alone. But aside from the numbers, the people,
00:22:17.380whatever it is, the people who are regenerate, the people who are God's elect, who are going to
00:22:21.800heaven, Mayberry is going to allow them to live in a heavenly way with far less persecution and
00:22:28.900opposition, then Sodom is going to allow Lot and his daughters to live. So it's just categorically
00:22:34.500different. How is that not a net positive, especially when you have children? Like to
00:22:39.000think, you know, it's like I have kids. I'm not just thinking about the life to come. That is
00:22:44.280premier and it matters immensely. But I'm also thinking about my children, their physical
00:22:49.620welfare here and now. I'm thinking about where can I raise them, where they're going to be
00:22:54.280protected, where they're safe, and where I'm even allowed to raise them and where they won't be
00:22:58.660taken away from me you know and all those kinds of things so yeah and and and so much of it is
00:23:03.540you know if you're if you're burning through this this uh this christian the capital of
00:23:08.240cultural christianity i mean god uses means right um i always tell people you know when they ask
00:23:14.040well why are you a christian it's like why i was raised by a christian family and most of the
00:23:19.080people around me were were christians growing up um christian uh at least you know moral practice
00:23:25.940pervaded the whole society, whether or not people actually believed in Jesus or not. And all of
00:23:31.320those things are means that God used to bring me to him. And if I was not raised in a Christian0.99
00:23:39.000family and everybody I know everywhere hated Jesus, that's a lot harder.
00:23:44.780Absolutely. It always boggles my mind when guys like Russell Moore say stuff like that,
00:23:49.700because they almost want to shame you if your story of how you became a Christian is something
00:23:53.760like what you just said that that's not legitimate you're not a legitimate christian if that's how
00:23:57.540you came yeah that's just not how it works in reality you know i've told you a little bit about
00:24:01.440my story on the drive here and you know i was not always a believer you know and i did a lot of
00:24:05.740degenerate things but when i you know came to the end of myself i ran to the church because that's
00:24:13.540how i was raised my father raised me in that context my brother and my you know my sister my
00:24:18.580mother, all my family, they were Christians. And so when I knew that I was a disaster and1.00
00:24:23.420the final straw, you know, we won't talk about that. That's what I did. I went to the church
00:24:29.140because I knew that's what, that's how I was raised. There's everything good about that.
00:24:34.220And in Mayberry, there's going to be people that do the exact same thing. And in Sodom,
00:24:39.740their lot is pretty bleak if they come to the end of themselves. Because usually rock bottom
00:24:46.360for them is something disastrous and where do they go there's nowhere to go there's nowhere to
00:24:49.840go yeah right yeah that's a great point yeah precisely yeah so with all that you know i think
00:24:54.560about like um well going back to the singleness for a second like so that's i mean that's been
00:24:59.580a huge lie singleness is a gift just for the record uh biblically speaking singleness is not
00:25:03.860a gift celibacy is a gift so um and there's a lot of people who think what's the difference joel0.98
00:25:09.020well the difference is that uh if you're single and masturbating uh then you don't have a gift0.98
00:25:14.880Yeah. You don't have the, you know, you don't have the gift of you shouldn't be single. Yeah. Like the one who burns. And that's another thing is like the Bible, what it prescribes to the problem of lust is marriage. And if you're really struggling with lust, then the Bible says marry faster, you know, that you actually should pursue marriage.0.96
00:25:31.680And right now you've got a bunch of, thanks to the Gospel Coalition and some of these teachers, you've got a bunch of single, you know, individuals, men and women, who actually, you know, have been talked into thinking that what they have is a gift.
00:25:44.220But at the end of the day, many of them are not living in sexual purity.
00:25:50.480And so they're like, they're not actually, you know, they don't actually have the gift of celibacy.
00:26:08.660Part of it, you know, there's but part of it is bad teaching in the church.0.94
00:26:11.780The world, the world doesn't really want when you think of, again, that the fakeness and the gayness, you know, being you can't reproduce.1.00