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00:03:32.660All right, welcome back to another episode of Theology Applied. I am your host, Pastor Joel
00:03:37.240Webin with Right Response Ministries. In this episode, I'm welcoming to the show,
00:03:41.560Brian Sauve and Ben Garrett, the co-host of Haunted Cosmos. Now what we're going to be
00:03:45.860talking about is the giants. Many of you watched the episode that Ben and I did a couple months
00:03:50.940ago that focused on the Watchers and the Nephilim, fallen angels and their immediate offspring with
00:03:56.800the daughters of men, a humanoid hybrid between fallen angel and human being, the Nephilim.
00:04:03.060But now we're going to be looking with Brian coming on the show to join us as well at the
00:04:07.660offspring descendants of the Nephilim, which gives us various tribes and classifications of giants.
00:04:14.320the first thing that you need to know is this, not all giants are the same. Some giants like
00:04:19.340Goliath may have been 10, 11, 12 feet tall, but there are other giants. We believe in the Bible
00:04:25.160validates this, that we're 30, 35, 40 feet tall, different classifications, different tribes,
00:04:32.400different special abilities and techniques that they learned through the ages, through their
00:04:37.120fathers, all the way back up to the fallen angels who taught them various things. That's what we're
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00:05:31.760All right, we're going to get right into it. Ben Garrett, go ahead and just lead the way here.
00:05:40.380Give us a little bit of a synopsis, a bit of a framework. How do we go to giants? Where do
00:05:46.580they even come from? Fallen angels, Nephilim, the whole nine yards. Give us the synopsis version.0.76
00:05:51.880I'd love to, Joel. So we start with giants in Genesis 6-4, where we're told that the sons of
00:05:57.880God came into the daughters of men at that. And at that time, the Nephilim were on the earth at
00:06:03.180that time. And any time after when the sons of God came into the daughters of men and the0.98
00:06:08.900supernatural view, which is the historically Orthodox view is that the sons of God is referring
00:06:13.500to fallen angels and the daughters of men are just the daughters of men, the human beings that
00:06:18.280are women. And they create this offspring. That's a hybrid of the two, a partially divine and0.96
00:06:23.600partially human earthbound offspring called the Nephilim. And what's interesting is when the
00:06:28.620Greeks were doing their translation into the Septuagint of the Old Testament, they, without
00:06:33.640question, every time the Nephilim Hebrew word came up, which is gaborim, they translated it into the
00:06:40.060Greek as giants, as gigas. And then we see that popping up later through the Old Testament as
00:06:46.560well in Numbers multiple times and in Deuteronomy, referring to other Canaanite clans that Israel had
00:06:52.520to go in and dispossess and destroy. And multiple times it refers to them, for example, like the
00:06:58.040Anakin as the direct descendants of the Nephilim and they were giants. And when the spies go in to
00:07:04.040spy out the land of Canaan that they're going to go in and take, they come back and say, well,
00:07:07.880we're really scared because there's giants there and the Nephilim are there. And we looked like
00:07:11.640grasshoppers compared to them. So that's, that's a really quick overview of how we get there.
00:07:16.800And I've heard people object and say, well, are you going to believe these0.96
00:07:20.280liver, you know, yellow-bellied, cowardly Israelite spies about how big these people were.0.98
00:07:28.140They were just exaggerating. But the crazy thing is that as the narrative develops through the0.98
00:07:34.560Old Testament, first of all, in that context, nobody disputes that they were giant, that they
00:07:40.500were huge. Not even Caleb, not even the guy who wasn't afraid. That's not the point. But then
00:07:45.340later we see that the people of God are always fighting giants. Og, Goliath and his brothers.
00:07:52.060I mean, the existence of giants in the Old Testament is just sort of almost casually like,
00:07:59.200oh yeah. And then there were some giants that they had to fight and it was pretty metal,
00:08:02.420but then God cut their heads off. And now there's no more of that. It just acts like that's a norm.
00:08:08.520to me how casually it references it demonstrates how widespread this knowledge was in the ancient
00:08:15.940world that oh yeah there were giants like all over the place yep i completely agree uh giants
00:08:20.940in the days of noah so some time periods were quick in the days of noah um but also it seems
00:08:25.340like abraham was fighting giants and potentially he even had a couple giants who teamed up with him
00:08:29.660not that they were like wholly necessarily but more neutral so abraham's got giants so there's
00:08:34.320Noah time period giants. There's Abraham time period. Of course, there's Moses, and then Joshua,
00:08:40.980and then you have David, and it seems like David's kind of rounding up some of the last of them, but
00:08:45.260it seems as though maybe some might have continued. So those are the kind of things we want to talk
00:08:49.200about giants. Real quick, though, with the Nephilim, the key word in my assessment, me and Ben were
00:08:54.620talking about this offline, but the word whenever, so that, you know, it says that the Nephilim were
00:08:59.420there on the earth uh before the flood and after and some translate it but the the better translation
00:09:05.780from from my study uh the hebrew word is it's not uh when uh the the sons of god saw you know took
00:09:12.520the daughters of of uh men but it's actually whenever so i think that explains like how did
00:09:17.660they how do we get giants nephilim and then giants from the nephilim after the flood because it seems
00:09:23.760as though this is something that these fallen angels uh did multiple times that they took the
00:09:28.820daughters of men before the flood but then it happened again after the flood so so we're not
00:09:34.120saying that giants are surviving necessarily you know or nephilim on on rafts not you know
00:09:40.600the reason why i wouldn't hold that position is because i like to think that that god flooded the
00:09:44.420earth for the reason and it wasn't in vain uh that god was successful um but that this happened
00:09:50.060again and that kind of blows out of the water the speculation that that giants uh would be smaller
00:09:55.220Because if it's actually the sons of God a second time, so you're starting first generation Nephilim again, then the giants that Abraham, you know, post-flood after Noah, that Abraham's facing Joshua, Moses, these may not be, you know, 10th generation giants that are maybe a little smaller in stature.
00:10:13.780That could be the case with David.0.59
00:10:15.460But it seems like when Amos says that the Amorites were as tall as cedar trees, that could be true.
00:10:25.220Definitely agree. There's some legends in pagan history of their equivalent of Og, this king of Bashan that Moses goes in and defeats.
00:10:35.540Their equivalent, and they say that Og held on to the back of the ark and was able to basically hold on and tread water and survive the flood.
00:10:43.960And I don't think that you need that because of the wording of Genesis 6-4, where it clearly seems to indicate at least the possibility that the same watcher and human cohabitation event took place, the fornication event took place multiple times before and after the flood.
00:11:03.220And then after the flood, they just began, just like the rest of the world, taking more distinct clans among themselves, like the Rephaim, the Anakim, the Emim, the Zuzim.
00:11:15.520You even see, you know, close to Mount Hermon, where it seems like some of this activity was centered around this Nephilimic activity, that we have megalithic structures like the...
00:11:27.000The Gilgal Rephaim, which literally means the wheel of giants or the wheel of ghosts.
00:11:32.500There's some speculation that that may have been an ex-carnation chamber for Og in his body, like a place where they would put his body, a bone ossuary.
00:11:44.320You can see how these places might become places of worship over time where people would venerate these, you know, like spiritual beings or these great beings, these mighty men, the gibberim, you know, as it is.
00:11:59.780And you could see how all of these legends and ancient worship might grow up around these different real personalities who have real spiritual connection and begin to enslave and demand worship.
00:12:11.760You see giants associated over and over in folklore, as well as even we believe in scripture with eating people.
00:12:22.720And just the ubiquity of these folkloric accounts across time and culture, I think, really demonstrates, you know, not some sort of just collective unconscious that people are, you know, inventing the same mythology over and over, but that these are actually rooted in actual historic events that took place, even with characters in the Bible like Nimrod, for example.
00:12:56.940I mean, like, bro, tell me about Nimrod.
00:13:01.260Yeah, Nimrod's really fascinating because we don't get a lot of information in scripture about him,
00:13:05.900except for his name and the fact that he is a mighty hunter before the Lord,
00:13:10.540and also the fact that he founded cities like Babylon and Nineveh.
00:13:15.960And so the idea is that Nimrod was kind of the head honcho of the Tower of Babel project build.
00:13:23.040And what's interesting is when you really get into the subtitle Mighty Hunter Before the Lord, what you learn is that in the original Hebrew text, it's clearly meant to indicate that he was a tyrannical opponent of God.
00:13:35.300So when it says Mighty Hunter Before God, it means that he was a hunter of men that God was disgusted with.
00:13:42.500And part of how we get that understanding is that Nimrod's name actually means the rebel or to rebel or the rebellious one.
00:13:51.260And then also in other Near Eastern histories, we get clear parallels with Nimrod, like in the character of Ninurta, even Marduk, Osiris in Egypt, even Hercules in Greece, where both of these men that all biblical scholars, secular and Christian agree, are probably based on the same person.
00:14:12.500went through mighty acts of valor in order to win favor among the gods and among men.
00:14:20.060And even stuff like the flood narrative, where Ninurta is fighting against the God who sent the flood
00:14:26.900in the hopes of saving the people that he's leading.
00:14:30.420Twisting scripture into saying that the God who sent the flood is actually the bad guy.
00:14:34.920And Ninurta or Nimrod is actually the one who's good trying to save everyone.
00:14:38.620So it's just really striking to me how you get these clear connections with even older myths.
00:14:44.300And it really makes you pause and question, are all these myths lies or are they rooted in truth?
00:14:50.340And if so, how far does that truth go?
00:14:52.260Even that overtone that you hear there about the recasting of these stories in pagan mythology where the villains of Scripture are recast as heroic figures is unsurprising and that the God of the Old Testament is evil.
00:15:09.360This is, again, just warmed over Gnosticism, that the God of the Old Testament is a lesser deity who created the physical world and that to be truly enlightened is to escape his worship and worship the true deity that's above him.
00:15:22.960There's a lot of these rhymes that you see across ancient mythology and ancient pagan cultic ideas where they end up essentially inverting the story of Scripture in a way where the serpents become the hero instead of the serpent crusher.
00:15:41.320And yet what we see in scripture with the giants particularly is that they're a rich foreground or soil where many typological pictures of Christ's victory grow up.
00:15:54.420You know, for example, Goliath, when Goliath comes out and taunts the Israelites, he's clothed in scales.
00:16:01.420It's told he's clothed in like a coat of mail.
00:16:04.060It's like the Hebrew word quaskasim, something like that.
00:16:07.780And it's used to describe dragon or fish scales.
00:16:11.180So here's this serpent-like giant figure who comes out.0.77
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00:23:40.660All right. So tell me a little bit more about Nimrod, because you said something, Ben,
00:23:44.700just a second ago that kind of threw me off, because it sounded like you said something that
00:23:50.760might be pre-flood, but then you also said that, you know, maybe he's accredited with founding
00:23:56.760nineveh and and uh babel and uh these other cities which would be post flood so so what what were you
00:24:03.640saying there can you clarify that what what was the pre-flood thing that i said maybe i just got
00:24:08.580confused so nimrod was after the flood i'm just clarifying okay and and mighty man of renown was
00:24:14.040he are we saying that he was uh first generation nephilim that like he is half fallen angel or are
00:24:21.280saying that he's one of the giants down the line so i think uh i think that maybe he is a first
00:24:27.640generation nephilim because of the way that his genealogy is spelled out in genesis where it says
00:24:34.580that cush fathered nimrod it's this really interesting thing it says cush fathered nimrod
00:24:39.360who was a mighty hunter before the lord and then when it goes into cush's generations nimrod is
00:24:45.360not mentioned at all and so it does make me wonder if there was some kind of bastardization
00:24:49.960that was attributed to Nimrod, because perhaps Cush offered up his wife. This is like completely
00:24:56.360speculative, by the way. We have no way of knowing if this is true. But it would just be one way to
00:25:01.620try to harmonize these two data points that seem to be at least a little bit finicky, where maybe
00:25:06.660Cush offered up his wife to one of the fallen angels as an offering, and Nimrod was the product
00:25:13.960of that offering. Or I have heard some Roman Catholics say that their idea is that the fallen
00:25:20.300angels actually possessed human men. And that was how they achieved this union. I don't think I
00:25:27.440really give that much credit, but it is what it is. It's an idea. And that was how the Nephilim
00:25:32.640were produced with possessed men who were inhabited by fallen angels with normal women.
00:25:38.280That could help explain the genealogical differences, but the essential truth is still there, and that's that Nimrod was either a first-generation Nephilim or, at the very least, a later-generation giant, if the story is to be believed, which, of course, it is to be believed.
00:25:55.460And then if you also take that and harmonize it with the other myths that are clearly alluding to the same character, even even with with Ninurta being the god of the hunt in Mesopotamia.
00:26:07.480I mean, it's quite literally the same supposed to be the same guy.
00:26:11.100Then you have to realize that he was thought by every ancient person to be a giant demigod, essentially, who was able to even build mountains in the in the Mesopotamian myth as a as as a sort of insult to the God who sent the flood.
00:26:28.460And that, of course, reminds us of the Tower of Babel.
00:26:30.560Yeah, Ethan, we go into quite a bit of detail surrounding Hercules and Inerta and Nimrod in an upcoming episode of Haunted Cosmos.
00:26:42.620Episode six of season two is going to be devoted to the, we just recorded it actually, the giant lore of the Bible essentially, the giant history of the scriptures.
00:26:54.800And then the seventh episode of that season will be branching out into really far flung giant folklore and mythology proper that goes out across the world, even into the modern day in that seventh episode.
00:27:10.180So even in that, you know, we don't have our notes in front of us here, but if you compare Hercules and Inerta and the task, the 11 tasks and 12 tasks, you find so much overlap with this time period and the hunting, you know, trope that there's at least a compelling like, wow, what if, what if they're actually talking about Nimrod?
00:27:31.180And just the same way that the flood myth, many of them recapitulate Noah into a different mythological character.
00:27:37.260And let's not forget that when Nimrod was at large in the world, everyone was able to speak the same language and understand each other, at least for a portion of his life.
00:27:46.060So it would make sense that after their language is confused, they disperse and the myth of Nimrod becomes corrupted here and there, exaggerated here and there.
00:27:55.400He becomes a hero instead of an anti-hero.
00:27:57.840It all makes perfect sense when you think about how humans work with stories.
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00:43:16.560so we can see a pretty direct correlation to time from the flood to size of giant when we compare
00:43:27.100goliath size whichever interpretation you take to aug's size which presumably is the size of his
00:43:33.900bed which is 14 feet long and six feet wide and it's all for him and the one of the reasons that
00:43:40.420i think that that's actually a good uh measure for aug's actual size was because another
00:43:46.260interpretation for bed or another translation for bed could be sarcophagus or coffin yeah so it very
00:43:52.620well could be talking about the coffin that aug was laid in and you wouldn't need to make a coffin
00:43:56.860any bigger than the person that's being laid in it. Apart from that, some people say that the
00:44:02.040large bed is actually an allusion to a Babylonian sex magic ritual. I don't think that that plays
00:44:07.900out at all because it says that Og was the last remnant of the Rephaim that was east of the Jordan
00:44:14.020River. So we know that he had to be huge. So we can reliably then say, okay, well then the bit
00:44:20.340about his bed being 14 feet long and six feet wide is probably giving us a good indication of
00:44:25.800actually how big it is so in the journey in the generations between aug who is the last of the
00:44:31.240east of the jordan all the way down to goliath we have a clear reduction in size from something like
00:44:37.94025 feet down to 10 feet that's a pretty big reduction in size and where did we get the 25 i
00:44:45.920i see we were going all to goliath 14 to 10 14 feet not 14 cubits my fault so yeah yeah okay
00:44:52.960got you got you but yeah so like but you're right and his bed if it's not a coffin if it is an actual
00:44:58.020bed it's also significant not just its measurements but that it's made of iron because that's another
00:45:02.820thing that we don't think of um you know it's like if you've got a 12 foot dude um and and if
00:45:08.760a six foot guy is 200 pounds the 12 foot guy is not going to be 400 pounds that's not the way math
00:45:13.260works no he's right right it's going to be exponentially um because otherwise he'd just be
00:45:19.380a beanpole and a gust of wind would knock them over but but if everything proportionally is
00:45:23.940is bigger than than a guy you know if a six-foot guy is 200 pounds then a 12-foot guy with the
00:45:28.780same proportions um what i i don't even know the math on that but what 800 or or a thousand or
00:45:35.3001200 pounds so much it's but i mean you can even look at like silverback gorillas and how
00:45:41.040strong and powerful and they're not even super tall relative to people right there's also some0.83
00:45:46.840proportional things we don't know when we look at these warlike people and look at the weapons
00:45:51.700goliath was 150 pounds of armor and you know this 50 pound spear um i also think it's important to
00:45:59.820note that you know the the whole idea of them seeing the nephilim this is this is straight out
00:46:04.540of numbers 13 they say we there we saw the nephilim yeah and we seem to ourselves like
00:46:11.040grasshoppers that's what they say we saw the nephilim so post-flood you have to say
00:46:16.420They were there. How did they get there? You have to account for this. And the giant angle as well. I was going to note as well, I think if someone's interested in someone who I think gets the chronological snobbery thing and gets the reality of how these myths actually support the biblical text from pagan cultures.
00:46:40.860If you read just N.D. Wilson's Ashtown Burials series, it's a fictional series, but in it, he basically sets all of these characters who are transmortals.
00:46:52.040They've become immortal. They can't die.
00:46:54.580And he brings in all these characters from ancient mythology into the modern story, and it's really fascinating the way that he does it.
00:47:02.240And Gilgamesh is there, and there's all these crescents.
00:47:05.460Which, by the way, a lot of people think that Gilgamesh was Nimrod.
00:47:08.420Yeah. Missionary, missionary David Livingston thought that Gilgamesh was Nimrod.
00:47:12.380And what I love about the series is he says, like, if you were to bind one of these transmortal giant type creatures in a block of stone, they can't die.
00:47:21.780So they're in there that within a decade, people would be within a decade, people would be worshiping.
00:47:29.680There would be an altar within a century.
00:47:31.640there would be a temple built around it within like he the the draw of these demonic um cults
00:47:38.400that build up around these things they're not just people who were big they there is always a clear
00:47:46.320overtone of blood sacrifice um human eating horrible demonic worship and practices the law
00:47:52.740of canaan the law of canaan yeah it's built like you go and you see the the things that were
00:47:58.420happening in the land, when God sent them in to wipe the inhabitants out, they are all associated
00:48:04.460in ancient mythology and folklore with giants. And this actually opens the door to two different
00:48:09.380avenues that you can go down. The first, going back to Aug's bed, being made of iron,
00:48:15.100gets into the problem of people of that long ago having the know-how and the skill to actually
00:48:23.420rot a bed of iron. This is very difficult even today to do something that big out of just pure
00:48:30.480cast iron is very, very difficult. And so it does make you think like, well, was there certain
00:48:35.720skills that were passed down? And if we go back to the Enochian tradition, we remember that the
00:48:40.000watchers gave certain skills. It was almost like they were brands for the people where one of them
00:48:45.220taught them metallurgy. One of them taught them weaponry. The other one was cosmetology and then
00:48:50.900cosmology and astrology. And then you also take all that. And then what Brian just said, where
00:48:56.680it inevitably goes back to worship wherever you see it. And you look again at that thing that we
00:49:02.520briefly mentioned earlier, the Gilgal Raphaim, the wheel of giants. And one of the things that's
00:49:07.600really crucial to understand about that is that the way it's laid out lines up perfectly with the
00:49:13.800solstice and equinox dates in the year. We go and we know most likely, well, actually we do know
00:49:20.860that it was there when Og was king of Bashan, so he would have known about this monument.
00:49:25.120And any king in the old days was the Pontifex Maximus, essentially, Israel being the exception,
00:49:30.500where there's a high priest and a king. And so Og was leading worship at this Gilgal Rephaim.
00:49:36.960That's what people agree on. They say, like, it was here. It's clearly a place of worship,
00:49:41.580and it may be a tomb for Og, since he was the last of the Rephaim, so they felt like0.96
00:49:46.700it was a good honor to bestow upon this last remnant. Then we go back to Acts 7, and we0.89
00:49:52.960remember that in Stephen's sermon, he says that the Israelites in those days took up the star
00:49:58.180of Rephin, the star of their god Molech. Where would they learn how to do that? From the giants.0.58
00:50:06.220Where would the Canaanites, who were full of giants? Where would the giants learn how to do0.82
00:50:10.220that? From their fathers, who was the demon Molech himself, the fallen angel Molech, or the fallen
00:50:16.220star Refn himself. And so it's not a coincidence that all of these concentric circle spiral type
00:50:23.360megalithic structures are always supposed to be ancient places of worship. And almost without
00:50:29.780exception, they line up precisely with special dates on the equinox and the solstices, and then
00:50:36.920astrological formations in the heavens. And then also, let's take it a step further. If you go on
00:50:44.060Google Earth and you find this Gilgal Rephaim place in the Gilead and Golan Heights, and then
00:50:49.100you zoom out slightly and look just a little bit to the north, there looks to be like a clearly
00:50:54.740man-made serpent mound that's very akin to the serpent mound in Ohio. And it's all facing towards
00:51:01.620Mount Hermon. And so we have all of these pieces coming together, and it's a really loose connection
00:51:07.260because not many people think about this anymore. But you have giants, you have serpents, you have
00:51:12.220worship of the host of heaven, the stars, the star Refn and Molech. And then you also have that
00:51:18.440kind of archetype of worship spreading from the Middle East, from Mount Hermon,
00:51:25.840through all the entire world. And so you have places like, what's the thing in England? I can't
00:51:31.340remember the name. Stonehenge? Stonehenge. Places like Stonehenge. You have the Serpent Mount in
00:51:35.660Ohio. You have the Rings in Africa. You have the Nazca Lines in South America. Go back a
00:51:42.140Gobekli Tepli. Gobekli Tepli. Yeah. And the sister sites around the same region. And then,0.98
00:51:47.180and then, and then you start to ask the question, some of these ancient megalithic structures are
00:51:51.740really big. And this ties in again with that making Aug's bed out of iron. How were they
00:51:56.860able to move these stones near Gobekli Tepe? I'm sorry, in, in Peru, not Gobekli Tepe, near
00:52:04.620Tiwanakin by Lake Titicaca, there is a megalithic stone that's 100 tons heavy and it's lifted up
00:52:13.060onto two pillars. And everyone agrees that they would have had to quarry that stone
00:52:18.220250 miles away. And it's, by the way, the quarry is at low elevation, close to sea level,
00:52:26.220and this city is at 12,000 feet above sea level. Can you imagine getting today
00:52:32.500everything that we have we couldn't a 100 ton stone no that's the thing we couldn't do it we
00:52:37.940literally don't have the means to do that it's not a money issue it's a technology issue we can't do
00:52:42.940that we would have to invent custom-made technological innovations to attempt it
00:52:48.100they don't currently exist and so the myth is that the the gods that built it had a magic trumpet
00:52:53.000and when they blew the trumpet the sound waves were able to carry the stone up we're now getting
00:52:57.400into some of the future hana cosmos stuff with like sacred geometry and sacred sound yeah right
00:53:03.420and again we're not saying that all of these things are necessarily real or true we don't we
00:53:08.300don't know but when you start to go down this thread of start with ancient cultic worship
00:53:14.980and its practices and go outward in architecture and all these different things you find a shocking
00:53:20.580level of overlap that that actually interestingly comes back to giant yeah type of lore it's
00:53:27.960and serpent imagery and serpent imagery so it's like almost as if the when the old testament
00:53:34.020describes ancient demonic cultic worship as serpent like and the abode of the giants and
00:53:39.940dragons and things like that that it's telling the truth right it's almost like the bible is true
00:53:45.480the world is not just stuff so true yeah okay so um man that's fascinating all that um so what0.84
00:53:56.400what happened to the giants because it seems like joshua kicked a lot of their butts it seems like
00:54:01.220moses was fighting them abraham arguably i think was fighting giants and then moses was fighting
00:54:06.200a lot of them and then joshua fought a ton of them you know so it's like the ones during the
00:54:11.780days of noah god took him out in the flood but then you've got you know abraham moses joshua all
00:54:17.440taking out giants um but then we know that that they still didn't completely get taken out let
00:54:22.900me give what one verse with this real quick because i think it's helpful this is um i believe it's
00:57:56.760And so everywhere you see, you know, cultures built around demonic death cults, they are always devouring themselves over time.
00:58:04.900This is a warning to modern America that all of our false worship is self-devouring and it will ultimately end in the blood of its worshipers.0.53
00:58:16.240And the second thing is that the meek will inherit the earth, that as the people of God go out in obedience and they obey the Lord and put one foot in front of the other and engage in the spiritual war that they're told to engage in, that the Lord delights to drive out our enemies before us.
00:58:32.160So specifically, I do think that is what happens with the giants.0.86
00:58:36.300The cultures they build up are absolute death cultures and they devour themselves.
00:58:41.260And then I also think that as the righteous go into the land in obedience and don't syncretize like they do later,
00:58:48.140that you see them driven out and go to other places.
00:58:51.440I'm sure Ben has other specific thoughts on that as well.
00:58:53.920Yeah, no, I mean, I think that there's nothing in the Bible that disallows the possibility of multiple giants
00:59:01.680maybe hundreds or legions of giants being alive at the time of Nimrod that also dispersed across
00:59:08.720the earth when the Tower of Babel was judged by God. And the reason that I err towards that
00:59:15.940opinion that did actually happen is because we see other massive pieces of weaponry found
00:59:23.020in places like Wales, in islands like Crete, even in Russia, there's the legend of a giant warrior
00:59:31.660who fought against the king and was finally subdued by a woman. Charlemagne, even in Charlemagne's
00:59:39.080reign in the Carolingian time, there was a legend that Charlemagne sent his greatest
00:59:45.080warrior to fight against a giant in some region of France. And the warrior was able to prevail
00:59:51.540and kill the giant uh there was harry potter harry potter the giants live in england i'm sorry
00:59:58.260go ahead there's the there's the trolls and tolkien now there's uh there's the story of also0.97
01:00:04.020charlemagne's sons riding a giant horse as a spoil of war that was able to carry four of them or
01:00:10.820three of them at one time um and then there's also bones of course that have been found and
01:00:15.780the smithsonian quickly quickly stole them away and hid them in their chambers legend says that
01:00:20.980That the Smithsonian has suppressed huge amounts of evidence of ancient giants.
01:00:26.260And I mean, listen, I think we can all agree that institutions, particularly ones in the bed with the powerful government establishment of the world, would never do that to us.
01:00:37.220They would never suppress information.0.61
01:00:39.000The lizard people would never suppress information.0.96
01:00:42.040And aren't there also like bones have been found?
01:00:50.040So the best example in North America, there's a few.
01:00:55.200One was the giant mummy that was found in California that was 18 feet tall, and they weren't able to disprove it.
01:01:01.520Another is the Serpent Mound in Ohio is surrounded by other, they say they're Native American burial grounds.
01:01:09.100But every time they look into one, they see giant bones.
01:01:12.840And then most of the time, this is in like Wisconsin, Minnesota, Ohio area.
01:01:18.320Every time they actually ask the Indians of the of the region, like the Pawnees, the Shawnees, they always say like, oh, no, yeah, we found those mounds like those are not we, you know, we piled some on top of it, but we actually found them as mounds.
01:01:33.060And so there's been, I mean, dozens of cases of people claiming to have excavated giant bones, even up to 33 feet tall.
01:01:41.660And what modernists want to do, what modernists love to do is to go, oh, those superstitious
01:01:48.620folkloric traditions, those superstitious ancient cultures, like, man, isn't it funny1.00
01:02:25.340The spark of religion lies in every man.0.98
01:02:28.140Bavinck even says in his Prolegomena that every soul is inherently Christian until it's corrupted by their own sin, which I think is fascinating.0.99
01:05:54.000But also, like what you said, not just being driven out, but Nimrod, before you even get to Joshua and before you get to when the whole world had one language before Babel, Nimrod and other giants could have gone to various places all over the world.
01:06:07.960And so it's entirely possible, whether it's escaping Joshua or escaping David or pre-Joshua and pre-David, pre-Babel even, just traveling and expeditions, that giants could have been everywhere over the world.
01:06:37.960it is possible that giants are still out there today i think it's also possible that like the
01:06:42.520blood of numenor as it descended through the generations and mingled with lesser men that
01:06:47.160it was spent in its power and produced less and less of its potency you know you see that in
01:06:53.400i'm obviously citing tolkien here but i think it's a good example where the numenoreans
01:06:58.440intermingled with lesser men and so their lifespans instead of aragorn who lives almost
01:07:03.160you know, what, 200 years old, 212, 212, you have, you know, men now going dwindling in their
01:07:09.360stature and in their, their renown. I think some of that could have happened as the, as giants
01:07:15.180went out, but, but absolutely. I think that there is a chance we have some interesting folklore
01:07:20.380and modern folklore, even of giants still. Yeah. In, in 2001 when, or I'm sorry, 2002,
01:07:28.720When the U.S. was just beginning its war in Iraq, there was a huge presence in the city of Kandahar.
01:07:36.660And one of the stories is that there was a patrol team sent out into the mountains surrounding Kandahar to see if they could scout anything, any good positions or something.
01:07:46.960And they went radio silent for too long.
01:07:49.580And so they sent a special forces unit to try and find this patrol of men.
01:07:54.060And the special forces unit spent days hiking through the mountains of Kandahar.
01:07:58.180And finally, in front of this cave, the mouth of this big cave, they saw a lot of the gear from these patrol officers laying around on the rocks.
01:08:09.360And as they were kind of coming to terms with what they were seeing, as the story goes, a spear the size of Goliaths, maybe bigger,
01:08:18.540shot out of the cave and impaled one of the men, uh, and, and went completely through him,
01:08:25.340completely through his Kevlar vest and everything in one easy stroke and out stepped this 15 foot
01:08:31.040tall, red haired, white skinned Kandahar giant with six fingers and six toes. And it took 30
01:08:38.000seconds of 15 men with fully automatic weapons firing nonstop to bring him down 30 seconds.
01:08:46.380That's a really hold your breath for 30 seconds. It's a long time. And so they radioed to their local headquarters and they asked him to send a Chinook. The Chinook came, grabbed this giant, carried him away. The men never saw it again. And they had to sign nondisclosure agreements to agree that they'd never say anything.
01:09:05.700But that was after they had already told the legend back when they got back to headquarters.
01:09:10.600And so it became an open and openly known lie is what they called it among the troops that were in Kandahar at that time.
01:09:18.920That actually, yeah, this this unit of special forces officers found a giant and killed it.
01:09:25.500And but they have to pretend like they didn't. But the government denied that, Ben.
01:09:30.300The government did deny. Surprisingly, Snopes put in for a Freedom of Information Act.
01:09:36.520And the government said, oh, we didn't take any giants out of Canada.
01:09:40.600We would tell you this is an example of one of these. So this is funny.
01:09:44.040I think there's an important point here to be made about the reliability of information, because you'll often find that sometimes people privilege ancient folklore as more likely to be true.
01:09:56.240Like, well, I read this folkloric account from, you know, an ancient Eastern Eastern European village from the 1300s or something.
01:10:04.000And and then you hear stories like this of like, ah, but that's just made up.
01:10:07.620It's Internet stuff. It's Reddit. It's whatever.
01:10:09.880But those are just our repositories of folklore folklore today.
01:10:14.880So do we know whether this story is made up out of whole cloth, maybe some amalgamation of other stories?
01:10:21.500Or is it just entirely true? We can't know.
01:10:24.640We just don't know. We're not in a position to. But these kind of stories continue today.
01:10:30.020And there are people who claim to continue to have interactions with, I think, even giants today.
01:10:35.840So listener, you be the judge at the end of the day. What do you think?
01:10:40.440If you are a giant, let us know in the comments.
01:10:42.580And you are listening. Send us a photo with proof of height.
01:10:45.940Now, I actually saw a video recently that was insane.
01:10:49.480I don't know. It seemed like it'd be hard to fake, but I don't know anything about video.
01:10:53.040And it was these these guys, they were like lensing while they were hunting and they looked down on this property line.
01:11:00.020There was a river separating the two properties. And in between the trees and everything was this.
01:11:04.880I mean, giant human looking thing. Yeah. Like slumped over long arms, massive head.
01:11:11.960And and the guys on the video were like, what was that?
01:11:16.240And then it just kind of disappeared. Almost like Bigfoot, like disappeared.
01:11:20.260We have some Bigfoot episodes coming up in Haunted Cosmos Season 2 as well.
01:11:24.100I think actually Episode 3 and 4, right?
01:11:27.700We just released Episode 2 as we're filming today.
01:11:30.180So, like, two weeks from today as we're filming, the first one will come out.
01:11:34.100But you see interesting things even with, like, the Bigfoot lore.
01:11:38.980Expedition Bigfoot is a show that went out and investigated.
01:11:42.620And they got a thermal image of a very strange bipedal-looking thing that when they replicated the exact camera location with a six-foot-tall man,
01:11:50.260The thing was far larger, did not look like a bear, which is the only close thing anatomically in the North American woods that it could have been.
01:11:59.100And so it's just like you're left with this.
01:12:01.520Either they hoaxed that for television.
01:12:03.520It's a bear and we just don't get how it could be a bear.
01:12:06.320Or there was some weird bipedal eight, nine foot tall thing walking through the North American woods on an evening that they happened to capture.
01:12:13.640And the thing that moderns are uncomfortable with, but that is true, is that all of those three options are possible.
01:12:19.580Yeah, almost almost equally possible. We can't it's difficult to evaluate, right? So a lot of this stuff, you're going to end up coming back to eyewitness testimony. And when you factor in the spiritual element of some of this, and the trickstery spiritual element, you can also end up with where you're not actually just dealing with biological creatures, maybe, but that that there's deception happening is these are some themes we often discuss in Haunted Cosmos that, that the spiritual world loves to deceive as well.
01:12:49.580And we are not fully aware of its total arsenal of all of the things that it has at its disposal to deceive.
01:12:58.920Maybe it's able to trick a thermal camera.
01:13:05.660Paul warns against an angel of light appearing and preaching another gospel, appearing as an angel of light.
01:13:12.500So we have to be aware of deception and keep our eyes fixed on the main things and not fall in any of the ditches of materialism or also wild speculation and total craziness, which some Christians can fall into as well.
01:13:26.600Keep our eye on the prize, though, that at the end of the day, when you look at the whole field of evidence, giants, demons, Bigfoot, all this stuff.
01:13:34.740again and again it comes back to confirm the veracity of the christian witness in scripture
01:13:40.460of the true history of the world right right right and i think that's the temptation of
01:13:47.540anyone who hates god anyone who ultimately wants to be god himself like our government like
01:13:53.340smithsonian or if if there was something true um today found whether it be bones or a living
01:14:01.000giant or whatever it might be um absolutely i could see how there would be a vested interest
01:14:06.860and incentive in those who would like to be god to cover it up because all it would do is confirm
01:14:12.560the scripture it would immediately take credibility away from materialism and darwinism and and all
01:14:20.460the science it would discredit it would it would humiliate and embarrass um so many leading
01:14:27.220authorities today and all of a sudden it would be us it would be the christians that people would
01:14:33.520be running to with all their questions because they'd be like oh these guys were right the whole
01:14:37.960time and these guys were lying you know and and so it there would be it when people think well
01:14:44.920there's no way that that a giant could exist or there's no way that this could exist or that
01:14:49.060could exist or that there's you know 18 foot tall bones or or whatever that's not possible because
01:14:54.600there's no way that that um that that could be hidden or or would be hidden there's no incentive
01:15:00.060that people don't understand the allure of power they don't understand how uh how much incentive
01:15:06.140there's more incentive uh to hiding giant bones um than than there would be for robbing someone of
01:15:13.500a billion dollars because because the giant bones keeping if that gets exposed you're talking about
01:15:19.600a shift of power and credibility and all these kinds of things that's worth trillions and
01:15:24.740trillions of dollars over time and so yeah there's um reputations are on the line and it's entirely
01:15:30.940possible and we're not saying anything for certain but but i think what we are saying is that the
01:15:35.940bible's real and and that god's word is true and that we shouldn't um we shouldn't just think in a
01:15:42.060in a in a in a chasm in one particular vein like moderns and and think that there's no possible way
01:15:48.900that any of these other things could ever be true we want we want to we want to be well-rounded we
01:15:54.140want to look at the evidence and we want to remember that we live in god's magical world
01:15:58.700so any final thoughts that you guys have for this episode i was just going to say it all reminds me
01:16:04.540of uh the scene in the silver chair uh in the chronicles of narnia that's what i keep thinking
01:16:10.260of yeah when when puddle glum finally stands up to to the queen under which by the way is serpent
01:16:15.600imagery, earth. And the queen's true form is revealed as this horribly grotesque serpent0.83
01:16:24.600demon. And one of the things that we should take from that is that it always behooves,
01:16:31.380it's always a top priority of the powers of darkness and the schemes of the devil
01:16:35.320to not be seen for what they really are. And so if you have a Molex state, a God state,
01:16:43.420that's trying to cause everyone to functionally worship them, then it will always be a top0.70
01:16:49.600priority of theirs, no matter what the cost, to make sure you don't see it for what it actually
01:16:55.280is. And so it may sound silly when we say like, so of course they would hide giant bones and they
01:17:00.160would tell the soldiers to shut up. But no, that really is what they would do. Like this isn't
01:17:05.040silly. This is just the basic tenets of good versus evil that God's given us to work with in
01:17:10.980the world and we know that they're the basic tenets because we've already seen them in his
01:17:15.780word and so we shouldn't be shocked if they show up again even after christ's overwhelming victory
01:17:21.140yep amen amen all right guys thank you so much for coming on the show um haunted cosmos is now
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01:17:55.520other things too yeah we try to do on the off weeks we try to release a uh a q a episode of
01:18:01.600the show where we're playing chess and answering questions and we're doing both very poorly yeah
01:18:06.140great that's called chess is not just stuff chess is not just and right now the record stands in
01:18:11.280the games is a one nil and and that's that's you brian you're the one i don't i don't i don't want
01:18:18.120to say hey i'll admit it brian won the first one that was on record that was on record ben actually
01:18:23.540won the first since then i have beat him in five games in a row and that's why it's so the world