Andrew Isker is the author of The Boniface Option, a book on Christian nationalism, and co-author of Christian nationalism with Andrew Torba. He is also a speaker at our upcoming conference, Christ is King, which will be held in Atlanta, GA in April of 2025.
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00:18:07.120because someone like these are complex, complicated issues. And they're issues that are sensitive.
00:18:13.200People don't like talking about them. It's, you know, a third rail that people step on. But what
00:18:18.780what steven was articulating is that it's not racially essentialist right it's not you're only
00:18:24.600you're only an american if you have the right dna right that's that's not what he's arguing
00:18:29.400at all he's saying that the that that there is an ethnic component to culture and everybody until
00:18:35.320you know like 10 minutes ago understood that that there are there there's particularity among
00:18:42.280various peoples and when you say 10 minutes ago you mean 80 approximately 80 uh 79 years ago
00:18:49.400yeah in the span of history though like that's what it's like a brief moment to go you're right
00:18:55.800all people everywhere understood this stuff that that different groups different ethnicity they
00:19:00.820live in different ways and and that's the way god made the world and it's beautiful actually um but
00:19:06.920then when you take all these different groups and you you jam them all together in one place
00:19:10.960and say okay you can have your way of life this way you can have your way of life that way
00:19:15.040and you're all going to live together right you can you can have your juneteenth and and you can
00:19:19.520have ramadan and you can have this and that right that then all of those groups are going to have
00:19:24.400a group identity coalesce around their particular um ethnic identities and they're going to be at
00:19:31.020war with each other and they're gonna be at war with the majority group and if we ever god forbid
00:19:35.480did get in a war, you know, with, with foreign nations, which goodness gracious, you know, our,0.68
00:19:41.980our political leaders seem to be trying to make that happen every day. But that's, you know,
00:19:47.300you remember the scene from Braveheart where, you know, the English had taken over, you know,
00:19:51.520one, one basically Irish tribe that were, you know, or Scottish tribe. And they were basically,
00:19:59.060I think it was Irish. I can't remember, but basically they were, they were serfs, you know,0.95
00:20:03.540serving the English Lord, you know, and the King and fighting in his battalion, his army. And then
00:20:09.040they send them out, you know, to do, cause they're the grunts. They're like, we'll preserve our
00:20:12.620English nobles. And so we'll send out the grunts, you know, for this particular battle, because
00:20:17.020it's this small, you know, peons that we're fighting. Um, and they run out and, uh, and it
00:20:22.380looks like they're going to battle. And then, and then they stop right when they get next to each
00:20:25.780other and they start laughing and hugging because it's their native people. And to think my point
00:20:31.020is i mean that's the same thing that happened with rome you know a lot of empires in america
00:20:35.100you know i'm not saying it's it's good but it's just the reality america in a lot of ways has
00:20:39.840more you know similarities to an empire than it does you know a sovereign distinct nation at this
00:20:44.560point and a lot of empires ultimately they become so powerful that they're they're invulnerable to
00:20:50.080any foreign threat uh but ultimately the demise is is usually that they implode from the inside
00:20:56.080and a big reason why they implode is because they spread themselves too thin across too many0.70
00:21:00.800non-compatible cultures. And then when the rubber hits the road, hey, turns out that this province
00:21:08.740over here of whatever people, they're not actually loyal to the empire. They're loyal to their own
00:21:15.700kind, to their own people, to their own ancestors, and it doesn't work. And again, that is not an
00:21:24.160ethnic essentialist approach because i would say that there are plenty of people of different
00:21:31.220shades of skin pigment in america that have been here longer than i have people darker than me
00:21:37.280but can trace back their ancestry as true you know red-blooded americans further than i can
00:21:43.440and they very much are united and and their fidelity their loyalty does lie uh with america
00:21:50.020But this idea of people continuing to come across the border in hordes of military-aged
00:21:56.520men, this Southern invasion, that's very different.
00:22:00.500And I think both of us, you and I, acknowledge that America is unique in the sense that America0.86
00:22:06.660is never going to be, nor should it, be this 100% white people.0.99
00:22:13.380But it should be, I believe, by God's grace, we would like it to be 100% Anglo-Protestant0.88
00:22:19.440as a milieu, as a way of life, as a worldview, as a culture, this Anglo-Protestant, and again,
00:22:25.960see point A, you know, Stephen's point, and I agree with it, that Anglo-Protestant would include
00:22:30.320something, you know, somebody like Clarence Thomas. So we do need to be aligned with this
00:22:35.380American heritage as a culture, as a way of thinking, as a cultist, worship and religion
00:22:41.760and theology and this heritage. But right now, so nobody is talking, I don't know anybody talking
00:22:48.500about uh taking you know a bunch of black people who have been here for 10 generations and sending
00:22:54.160them to nigeria i don't know any conversation like that i do know conversations however of saying hey
00:23:00.100people who got here 15 minutes ago who are not legal citizens from nigeria or from brazil or
00:23:08.140whatever it may be um yeah that that has to stop that absolutely has to stop yeah yeah yeah i mean
00:23:16.300And that's part of it too, is that when you import, I mean, just like my example here in Minnesota, we have at least 80,000 Somalis and we have Ilhan Omar, who is the representative and has been caught on tape saying her job is to represent Somalia and to send money over to Somalia.
00:23:37.420That's her function as a, as a U S Congresswoman. And it's like, that's, you're, you're not an American, right? You, you, you identify yourself as a Somali, right? That's here in America. That's here to, to, you know, strip us bare and take all our stuff and send it over there. Right. That's, that's not an American in any, in any sense whatsoever. So like when you, when you think about like the counter example of what Stephen's talking about, like, well, then who isn't like, well, here you have a Muslim.
00:24:07.420from somalia who has not assimilated in any way right at all right and is actively opposed to the0.75
00:24:16.560interests of heritage americans right that's that's one thing whereas you can have right you
00:24:23.000have um for instance like senator ted cruz right whose father was from cuba right he's a second
00:24:30.720generation american and you could you could see like this guy it's he is an american he's a he's
00:24:37.720a he's protestant he's not always a great politician but he is an american and and yeah he
00:24:43.300is yeah absolutely like it's it's undeniable and so so i think that so looking at in that frame
00:24:49.420right in that framework that that um i think you know largely explains what what steven is talking
00:24:56.180about. But it's an issue because you have this question of like, well, what is American identity?
00:25:03.260What is an American? And if America is just this melting pot, this economic zone where all the
00:25:10.380various peoples of the world, 8 billion people on planet earth can come here if they want to
00:25:15.780and be part of this thing. Well, then there's no distinctiveness whatsoever. It's just a place
00:25:22.340where people could come and make money or take money it's not it's not a people right right it's
00:25:28.080not a people at all and um and there's something about that that is um just abhorrent right i mean
00:25:35.860it's totally against any any natural order any creation and the biggest thing is it's it's not
00:25:41.180against our um sensibilities just for the listener it's against the bible it's against the word of
00:25:46.660god that is not how god created the world nations are god's idea i think sometimes people think well
00:25:51.020nations they think of it uh the same way that like a feminist egalitarian thinks of you know
00:25:56.360the the curse in genesis 3 they're like well yeah you know god's original design was egalitarianism
00:26:01.980you know but uh the curse is patriarchy that you know your desire will be for your husband and
00:26:06.900that's the same kind of language as you find just a little later you know in genesis 4 when it says
00:26:11.520feminism is the curse exactly so that yeah exactly but they would say no patriarchy is the curse
00:26:16.140the curse is that you would desire your husband and that word desire there is like the same as1.00
00:26:20.680cane you know where sin is crouching at your door desires to have you meaning it wants to master you
00:26:26.280wants to rule you dominate you sin does but you must master it you must rule over sin and so that
00:26:32.800same kind of wording well the woman would desire her husband it doesn't mean she would just have0.96
00:26:37.480this romantic inclination of you know i just desire to spend quality time with my husband
00:26:42.100that's no it's saying your desire will be to rule your husband and yet the opposite will be true he1.00
00:26:47.720will rule over you and and so then the the feminist says see there it is right there the curse of sin
00:26:53.760is uh male headship it's uh patriarchy no the curse is not that the man would rule over the
00:26:59.620woman his wife uh but that the wife would have this sinful desire to usurp the natural order
00:27:05.760and rule over her husband so the curse is not patriarchy the curse is feminism well same kind
00:27:10.620of thing pan out just a little bit further with genesis 11 guys will look at the tower of babel
00:27:16.200and they'll say see that's the curse the curse is because of sin and the way that they were you know
00:27:20.840their pride trying to make a name for themselves you know to not be scattered over the face of the
00:27:24.940earth because of that because of their pride thinking they could build a tower a structure
00:27:29.240to the heavens god came down confused their languages and he did that as a punishment and so
00:27:34.420therefore different uh languages that ultimately produced a spreading out in different cultures and
00:27:40.000different ethnicities and different nationalities. This is the curse, not the design. Whereas I would
00:27:46.000say, no, no, no, no. Was it a judgment for their sin? Yes. But their sin wasn't just pride.
00:27:52.400They specifically say, not just we're trying to make a name for ourself or ascend to heaven,
00:27:56.500trying to achieve equality with God, but they furthermore say the people congregated at Babel,
00:28:02.280they further say, let us do this, make a name for ourself and ascend to heaven so that we will not
00:28:08.420be scattered over the face of the earth, which is a direct rebellion to the very cultural mandate
00:28:13.840given in the very beginning of humankind, which is to be fruitful and to multiply and to subdue
00:28:20.680the earth. Part of what God had commanded is that we spread out and that we subdue the whole earth,
00:28:26.740us and our posterity, in fruitfulness and in dominion, this dominion mandate included in
00:28:34.380that, baked into the pie of the dominion mandate, which is the original command that God gives
00:28:39.620before sin even enters the world. In a prelapsarian world, God tells us to subdue the whole world,
00:28:45.640which includes necessarily spreading out. And here we have in Genesis 11, guys who are saying,
00:28:51.560we don't want to obey God. We don't want to spread out. We want to stay congregated. And so,
00:28:57.100is God judging them for their sin of pride, saying we're going to make a name for ourselves? Yes.
00:29:01.720And in one foul swoop, I would argue simultaneously, God is judging the sin of pride, but also
00:29:07.840there's a mercy, a deep mercy in this judgment.
00:29:11.700He is also working in using his judgment as a catalyst to get the people at Babel back0.96
00:29:20.040on the rails, back on track with the original dominion mandate much faster than they would0.76
00:29:41.120I'm actually going to judge you, but with a merciful judgment that includes in the judgment,
00:29:47.660the punishment is the very thing that's going to expedite you getting back on track and fulfilling
00:29:55.400my original command to spread out over the face of the earth and subdue it by confusing your1.00
00:30:01.320languages. So my point is, and if that wasn't enough, we have the book of Acts that says,0.99
00:30:06.280God sets nations, their borders and their times. So nations are God's idea. This isn't a bad thing.
00:30:13.080So people, just like the feminist says, well, the curse is patriarchy. No, the curse is hating,1.00
00:30:19.100that the woman would hate patriarchy in her sinful flesh, if not redeemed and sanctified. And so too
00:30:24.380with nations. Well, the curse at Babel, the Tower of Babel is different people and nations. And0.93
00:30:30.200you know, and therefore a one world order would be, you know, the undoing, the redemptive, you
00:30:35.380know, element of that. No, no. The curse was actually, the root of sin was not wanting
00:30:42.580distinctives, not wanting unique nations, not wanting to spread out and trying to make a name
00:30:46.620for themselves by congregating so that they would not be spread out over the face of the earth.
00:30:50.800And God's judgment at Babel contained within it also a mercy to get mankind back on track.0.51
00:30:58.040So nations are God's idea, just like patriarchy is God's idea. And that's something that I think that the, you know, the squishy evangelical church, even those who are, you know, somewhat, you know, moderately conservative, they've completely missed.
00:31:11.260Oh, yeah, absolutely. That is the important thing to understand. And what globalist multiculturalism is, is fundamentally Babelic. It is a recreation of the Tower of Babel and saying that, no, we are going to congregate all the world together and we're going to make a name for ourselves.
00:31:32.880We are going to do things our way, not God's way, and rule the planet. That's what globalism ultimately is. And it destroys the distinctiveness of peoples and their particular ways of life and creates this monoculture. That's the other horrible thing about it.
00:31:53.260it creates this monoculture that, that, um,
00:31:56.660runs roughshod over all the particular ways of life and cultures, um,
00:32:01.000that it brings in together, it destroys them. And,
00:32:04.380and then creates this like facts. It was not even like,
00:32:06.920it's like anti-culture almost. Right. I mean, when I talk about like in my book,
00:38:18.880Also, like another biblical example, I preached on, you know, first and second Samuel recently.
00:38:26.680And like you see when David goes to the Philistines, right?
00:38:30.200He flees Israel because he's being attacked by Saul.
00:38:34.780He and his men flee to the Philistines.
00:38:36.700And he goes to the Philistines, to the Philistine king of Gath.0.69
00:38:41.380And he, one, they command him to go raid Israel and he lies to them.
00:38:48.140He doesn't raid Israel. He goes and raids all of Israel's enemies and brings back the spoil. And they're like, wow, this is great. Good job. And so anyway, he's been faithful deceptively to the Philistines, so much so that Achish, the king of Gath, converts.0.61
00:39:04.940He starts, I think anyway, I think it's good, solid enough evidence that he begins speaking oaths in the name of the Lord, which is not a thing a Philistine would do.0.87
00:39:18.480You don't just do that because you're being polite.0.97
00:39:25.460And Achish is so on David's side that when the Philistines are mustered for battle against Israel, he brings David along.
00:39:33.360and the lords of the philistines are like wait a minute hold on here's this exile from the court0.75
00:39:38.980of saul who is here with us and all his men and we when we go to battle with with uh israel he's
00:39:46.440gonna be loyal to them he's not gonna be loyal to us yeah he's gonna attack us because he wants to0.72
00:39:51.080get in good with saul again he wants to be back on saul's good side so he's gonna attack us from
00:39:55.460behind and so we can't let that happen so you need to send him away and and you look at it and it's
00:40:01.420like whoa whoa there's like there's an ethnic dimension here to what's going on and understanding
00:40:07.900of loyalties right um and and so you think of that now in like our context and again just real
00:40:13.240quick when we say ethnic you've got you you've got to put on your big boy pants and think of
00:40:18.500older truer uh more more reliable dead guys don't think of yeah don't think of all you know
00:40:25.780all the lib people from like 1960 when we say ethnic we're saying that includes nationality
00:40:31.920that includes culture that includes customs traditions loyalties religion theology um all
00:40:37.840that so so there is like so when we're talking about this whole philistine and david um anytime0.72
00:40:44.160that ethnic we've just been ruined we have been so ruined by libtard you know theology and and
00:40:50.700politics so as as andrew says that you're uh you're probably thinking you know like um that0.99
00:40:56.020the philistines were concerned because uh david you know if he held out his arm it would be a
00:41:01.540different shade of color than the philistines that's not it's it's that is so shallow that's
00:41:07.960not what we're talking it's we're talking about a whole way of life baked into a particular people
00:41:14.920and their history and their customs and their religion yeah yeah yeah and so i mean and you
00:41:20.120see this in america today you have i mean a year or two ago there were a couple um um servicemen
00:41:27.540in the u.s military who were uh ethnically chinese what i think they were americans like
00:41:32.400born here american citizens and they were giving secrets right there they were giving secrets to
00:41:39.080the chinese government and uh and you see this all over the tech industry you have um and just
00:41:45.300many other industries where you bring in with h1b visas and things like this people you know
00:41:51.900chinese nationals to come and work in different corporations meanwhile all what are they doing0.97
00:41:58.240they're sending the blueprints to different technologies back to china right um and you0.87
00:42:05.100And currently you have a totally open border where the Chinese can send in tens of thousands of people in the United States to do whatever.0.70
00:42:14.800And meanwhile, our government is like saber rattling against China.0.50
00:42:26.940And within the cultural milieu that we have today, this liberal, egalitarian, multicultural, everybody's an American understanding, that just doesn't work because they don't think that way.
00:42:43.940right they have loyalty to their people right and so they come here and they could be here for
00:42:48.480several generations even and still have that loyalty right uh and be be sabotaging things
00:42:54.120and and stealing uh technology and so forth uh for the benefit of their people which is not america
00:42:59.200uh and then if there was a war there was a war between the u.s and china right oh yeah we're in
00:43:04.920trouble even ben shapiro has said you know he said like yeah i love america and i am an american
00:43:10.980citizen, but a lot of, of my, you know, my aim and, and my goals, uh, and being an American
00:43:17.440citizen and doing, you know, this, this massive conservative media empire here on American soil
00:43:23.320to American listeners. Um, a lot of my motive in that is to, uh, to garnish among the American
00:43:30.280people, uh, loyalty and affection for Israel. And what he's saying in that he, you know, he's,
00:43:35.580he's not hating America necessarily, or what we, at least, you know, maybe not consciously,
00:43:39.560But he is saying, I have loyalties. And so even my love for America comes with a particular motive. And it's to garnish and to capitalize on my influence in America for my homeland, my truest people, which is not ultimately American, but rather Israel.
00:44:04.580And Ben Shapiro, I'm not the biggest fan, but I will still admit that Ben Shapiro is more harmless and less malicious and sinister, at least on the face, than some other guys.
00:44:17.260But it's still – my point is even with some of the conservative examples where some of the guys that we would – guys would categorize and say like, well, he's technically on the right.
00:44:26.760So even with some of the good guys, there's still this principle.
00:44:30.620And the reason why, here's the point, this principle is baked into the pie of humanity, not in the theological category.
00:44:37.740I don't believe it would fall into the theological category of total depravity.
00:44:41.500Well, it's baked into the human pie because we're all sinners, and therefore, you know, one of those sins is racism.
00:44:46.720No, I think it's baked into the pie based off of nature, not fallenness, not total depravity, not sin.
00:44:55.780but this is actually God's original natural design that there would be certain loyalties
00:45:03.540that were not just a citizen of the world. You can say that, but no one is a citizen of the world.
00:45:09.020You press them hard enough. And at the end of the day, they're going to say,
00:45:12.660these are my people, whoever they are, but these are my people. Here's where my loyalty lies.
00:45:18.720And a lot of that is determined not by new affiliations that were made last Thursday, but a lot of that is determined.
00:45:29.500Loyalties, fidelity is determined from birth.
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00:56:18.640And so people like Neil, of course, don't like that, right?
00:56:22.880They want everybody to come to America because America is nice, right?
00:56:27.400The country that our great, great, great grandfathers built is still a great place and still very, I mean, it's still on top of the world, right?
00:56:38.960It's still this place where anybody can have a very good life.
00:56:43.560And so they want, you know, they want us to import, you know, a million or millions of people from India, right?
00:56:52.100And they are from China or from Central America, right?
00:56:57.500And Americans say, no, no, we want America to be for Americans.0.96
00:57:01.660And people are beginning to see that that's not a bad thing.
00:57:05.060You're not an evil racist if you want America for Americans.
00:57:08.380Yeah. Yeah. It really is direct disobedience, rebellion to the fifth commandment. I remember
00:57:12.660when that, that hit me like a ton of bricks where, you know, I started, uh, part of it was,
00:57:17.000you know, there was a progression here, theological progression. And then that began to apply to
00:57:20.960culture and to politics and these things. And a big piece of it for me was this post-millennial
00:57:26.120idea. And I don't think you have to be post-millennial to, to have this idea, but, um,
00:57:30.540I, you know, it could be all millennialism or even historic pre-millennialism, but breaking out
00:57:35.140of the Disby, you know, pre-mill secret rapture, and it's going to happen next week, right? Because
00:57:42.020that's what I think has kept a lot of kind of normie evangelicals from even having to think
00:57:48.780about these things, because you really don't have to think about the future if there is no future,
00:57:52.480right? If Jesus is coming back next week, then I don't really need to think about my posterity.
00:57:56.980And so when I broke out, so for me, it was eschatology. And again, it doesn't have to be
00:58:01.480post-mill, for me it was, but really any of the major three eschatological positions, just not
00:58:07.320the one that's lousy, the one that shouldn't even be one of the positions, aka dispensational
00:58:13.240premillennialism. But if you're historic pre-mill or if you're all-mill or you're post-mill
00:58:18.160in any of those categories of eschatology, study of the end times, your view of the future,
00:58:23.300then all those allow for and even lean towards the likelihood of many more generations to come
00:58:31.620before the final end of the world, Jesus' final physical return. So now you have to start to think
00:58:37.200about your grandchildren. You have to start to think about your great-grandchildren. So that was
00:58:41.020step one. And then once I was thinking about my posterity, future generations, that's when it hit
00:58:46.220me. I thought, man, I am working really, really hard. I could just pastor a church, but I'm doing
00:58:51.060other things and not just through media and right response and these things. It's not just to reach
00:58:57.700more people with the gospel and sound doctrine for a kingdom mentality. But I'm doing it for
00:59:04.200a kingdom mentality, but I'm also doing it for a web and household mentality, which is part of the
00:59:08.720kingdom for the record. But I'm trying to, because at this point, it's not just right response and
00:59:15.120Covenant Bible Church in Central Texas, but in addition to all that, me and some friends,
00:59:19.500we're starting a soap company well why why that if it's just influencing people theologically for
00:59:24.700the kingdom uh well i'm trying to start a soap company one because people need good soap um two
00:59:30.040because a lot of soap companies are you know they're they're act blue pro planned parent
00:59:35.040you know uh but three um i would like to start a soap company to make more money and here it is
00:59:41.880for who for my kids my grandkids my great grandkids and i was thinking about that i was
00:59:48.960thinking if, if I was, you know, standing up in heaven, leaning over the rail, the proverbial
00:59:53.160rail of heaven, looking down at my great grandchildren. And, uh, let's say I build a
00:59:57.800soap empire, you know, which I probably won't, but let's say I build a soap empire, like, uh,
01:00:02.320like Charles Haywood, the shampoo. Yeah, exactly. And it's worth millions of dollars. And I look
01:00:06.740down, I see my grandkids and my grandkids bust like a, uh, like the, the CEO of Hobby Lobby.
01:00:11.980And they decide to, uh, to give the, uh, the entire board and the entire company,
01:00:16.660soap company over to you know like the salvation army or some charity and and then they give all
01:00:22.540the money you know write a check and give all the money to uh orphanages in uganda well five years
01:00:28.880ago i probably would have thought that that's noble right i mean david platt he would have
01:00:32.440loved that you know that's so great yeah yeah it's right john piper he would love that uh but
01:00:36.840you know what i would be i would be deeply personally hurt by that now i know technically
01:00:42.380i probably wouldn't be hurt because i'd be in heaven and he wipes away every tear you but you
01:00:46.020get my point. I would not like that. I would not support that. You know why? Because in addition
01:00:51.420to pastoring in a church, in addition to doing right response ministries, in addition to being
01:00:55.300a husband and being a father, I stayed up late multiple nights and did this and did that to
01:01:00.620build this soap company, and I didn't do it for strangers. Not because I hate strangers. It's not
01:01:05.900about that. But I didn't do it for strangers. I did it for my posterity, my kids. And then when
01:01:12.020you apply that to a nation and particularly our nation, when you think about American history,
01:01:18.020George Washington, these guys, the founders, they didn't ride into battle and give their lives,
01:01:25.620their blood, their sweat, and their tears for people in India. They did it for their kids
01:01:31.260and grandkids and great grandkids. And so it really is a direct rebellion to the fifth
01:01:38.900commandment to god first and foremost a sin again all sin is first vertical against god
01:01:44.360but then also the horizontal element of sin against our fellow man it's a sin against our
01:01:49.400fathers to say you did this for us you did it for us because you loved us and we would like to spit
01:01:57.000on your grave and give it all away yeah it's just it is morally wrong we don't get to make that
01:02:03.700choice that's the thing it's actually arrogance it's actually arrogance to to come into a particular
01:02:08.760time in history with an incredible inheritance and wealth that's been provided for us at the cost
01:02:14.960of our father's lives, and to be born on third base, but to pretend in delusion that you hit
01:02:22.380a triple and say, it's mine, and I get to choose what to do with it, and I choose to give it away.
01:02:27.500No, it's not actually yours. It's yours in one sense, but it's actually your father's. They're
01:02:32.800the ones who sweat and bled for it. And they did it for you to steward and to pass on to your
01:02:40.560children and your children's children. They didn't do it for the world. They did it for their
01:02:46.500posterity. And it is dishonoring. It is disrespectful. And it is a breach of the
01:02:56.440fifth commandment and a sin against god not to have some immigration and some generosity and some
01:03:05.400charity all this within prudence uh but to to be suicidal give it all and throw it all away
01:03:12.400is actually uh it's not virtuous it's not noble it's sin yeah just look at i mean it's funny
01:03:19.480Because the kind of squishy post-war consensus people on the right who are like, oh, we just need to go back to the Constitution, people would hear, like Michael O'Fallon, right, would hear that, what you just said, and lose their minds, right?
01:03:37.660But then you think about, look at the preamble to the U.S. Constitution, right?