The NXR Podcast - THE INTERVIEW - The Real Truth About The Crusades & Why It Matters with The Kings Hall

00:00:00.000 All right, welcome back to another episode of Theology Applied. I'm your host, Pastor Joel

00:00:03.560 Webin with Right Response Ministries. In this episode, I was privileged to have back on the

00:00:08.260 show Eric Kahn and Dan Burkholder. They're two of the three hosts for a podcast called The King's

00:00:14.920 Hall. And right now, The King's Hall, in season three, they're discussing the Crusades and

00:00:19.620 Christendom and all these things of the past. They're looking at some major figures like

00:00:23.940 Duke Godfrey or Richard the Lionheart or King Alfred and saying, well, in our revisionist

00:00:29.280 post-war sentiment history. You've been taught that your fathers of Christendom are icky and bad 0.95

00:00:35.880 and oppressive, but actually they're not perfect. They are human. They are sinners, but there is 0.83

00:00:40.800 a mountain of virtue that can be appreciated and gleaned from if we are simply willing to view

00:00:49.660 history rightly, to look at our lineage and our heritage as it truly is, and then to take those

00:00:56.640 principles and apply them in our place at our time. So that's the focus of today's episode.

00:01:02.340 Tune in now. Applying God's word to every aspect of life. This is Theology Applied.

00:01:14.520 All right. So you guys have just recently, let's go ahead and dive right in. You've just recently

00:01:18.640 started the third season of one of the podcasts that you guys put out in Ogden. For anybody who's

00:01:23.620 not familiar with these guys, they're both pastors at Refuge Church in Ogden, Utah, and they do a

00:01:29.760 number of different, you know, media and podcasts and things like that. And one of them is the

00:01:34.520 King's Hall. The third season is underway and you guys are focusing on Christendom and you're

00:01:40.000 focusing on giving not just, you know, blueprints for Christendom 2.0, which is very important in a

00:01:46.640 lot of ways. That was kind of the first season of King's Hall, but this time you're looking back

00:01:50.660 through the eyes of honor on Christendom past and familiarizing the listener with

00:01:56.800 his heritage, his history, the line that we come from, and great men of old.

00:02:02.560 You want to give us maybe a little bit of the overview of, you know, maybe even the motive?

00:02:07.140 Like, why are you doing this?

00:02:09.920 Yeah, it's a great question.

00:02:10.740 I think the biggest thing for us was, as we were looking at season three, which is what

00:02:15.420 we're now in, we were really saying, you know, you hear a lot of talk about Christendom,

00:02:18.780 And you hear a lot of people saying, we want to rebuild it.

00:02:21.740 And somewhere in the middle of all that, just in our discussions, really came the question,

00:02:27.060 like, what was it?

00:02:28.240 Do we really understand what the first Christendom was?

00:02:32.040 So we started to look at a lot of the history and really just interview a lot of people.

00:02:36.680 We've interviewed like Dr. Glenn Sunshine, Ben Merkel, which wrote a fantastic book on

00:02:42.020 King Alfred, really starting to dig into the history and talk to the people who've done

00:02:46.320 a lot of the work.

00:02:47.080 And then really, as we looked at that, I mean, Dan can speak to this too, but like with King Alfred, you find that the version of Christianity back then is very different than today.

00:02:59.100 And a lot of times that's a bad thing.

00:03:01.200 So as we started to unpack sort of the foundations, I think that's where we were saying, what stirs us?

00:03:07.680 What moves us?

00:03:09.020 What fires our passions?

00:03:11.600 And as we started to share some of that with our audience on Twitter and other places, you start to realize that there's something in the masculine soul that will resonate with Jan Sobieski at the Battle of Vienna and Richard the Lionheart.

00:03:25.380 And I think it's something, the masculinity, the piety that they demonstrated, I think is something that's missing in modern evangelicalism.

00:03:32.840 you know i told dan uh the other day as we're preparing for 1683 in the battle of vienna in

00:03:38.980 one of our next episodes uh the super bowl happened and i'm sure you saw it as well but

00:03:43.800 we see a pastrix lady pastrix kicking off a bible across the stage and this was a super bowl service

00:03:51.040 that was held in a church and i said to dan what do you think jan sobieski would have thought about

00:03:56.400 something like this or alfred the great or richard the lionheart um and and it just it goes to

00:04:02.320 showcase, I think, just how different the faith was. So anyway, I think that was kind of the

00:04:06.100 motive. Dan, you can speak to that, but wanting to recover who were our forefathers.

00:04:11.220 Yeah. In a lot of ways, this season is us self-educating as we go through the season,

00:04:16.160 because it's interesting how great a disservice church history books have done to us,

00:04:22.660 because they talk about the theological battles, which are good, and the ecumenical councils and

00:04:28.700 the martyrs and the great missionaries of the faith. But all of that we were talking about

00:04:33.820 with Alfred and Richard the Lionheart and Baldwin and Jan Sobieski, all of these men are great

00:04:41.840 Christian heroes, and we're discovering them for the first time for ourselves. And you can see,

00:04:47.740 like Eric said, it's resonating with men because of the courage that they shared in the fight of

00:04:53.560 the faith that they had to fight at their particular place in particular time, especially

00:04:57.800 in defense of their people it's also interesting as we dig into the history that you see how much

00:05:03.500 revisionist history you've been fed throughout your education we went to public school and so

00:05:10.320 the narrative has always been well christendom the first christendom was bad like just inherently it

00:05:16.360 was evil and oppressive and uh they attacked a lot of innocent muslims and that's what we were told

00:05:22.820 and then you go look at the histories and you realize that's actually not true at all well and

00:05:27.740 I think one of the things too, Joel, was that we were, we have guild training, which is our elder

00:05:31.820 training. So we've all been plowing through different church histories, Bruce Shelley,

00:05:37.020 Yusso Gonzalez. One of the things we realized we're like, okay. And adjacent to that, we're

00:05:41.840 doing all the research for season three. We're like, why are these Christian heroes missing

00:05:45.680 from the church history? Like, why do we view this separately? And a lot of times you'll find

00:05:52.360 even in guys who are quote unquote conservative, they're talking about lady pastors and why it was

00:05:56.600 a good thing or um you know they're talking about well you know Constantine he was pretty bad though

00:06:01.380 like that was pretty bad for the church I wish that wouldn't have happened and so I think we

00:06:05.200 also found ourselves like scratching our head and saying wait a minute even in the church even in

00:06:09.540 the conservative part of the church we really don't like big portions of Christendom and these

00:06:14.480 guys were actually heroes right yeah you said uh with your elder training you called it guild

00:06:20.880 training I'm just gonna assume the word was actually geld you're training them to pay the

00:06:25.540 dangle training them to compromise we are not training them never pay the dangle never pay

00:06:34.000 the dangle joel you'll never let's let's uh use that as a launching pad into your most recent

00:06:39.520 episode now i'm not sure when this is going to air so at this point you know for the listener

00:06:43.260 uh it probably will not be uh the king's almost recent episode so you can go back a few uh but

00:06:49.220 the one that you did particularly on king alfred you're using ben merkel uh what is it the winter

00:06:53.960 King. What's the name of his book? Yeah. So The White Horse King. The White Horse King. There it

00:06:59.160 is. Yeah. Yeah. So I, you know, kind of similar to you guys, my journey of recovering our heritage

00:07:05.580 and our, you know, our legacy, Christian legacy, same thing. So I read that book a couple months

00:07:10.620 ago and was impressed by, you know, how great these men were, you know, and how, you know,

00:07:16.460 feeling the sense of I've been lied to and all those kinds of things. But there was one part

00:07:20.060 in particular that stood out to me. And then Dan, when I listened to you guys episodes on King

00:07:26.480 Alfred, you mentioned the same thing, but King Alfred, one of the most glorious battles that he

00:07:31.440 won facing the Danes was he was leading half of his army because the other half was following his

00:07:39.700 brother and his brother was late for a particular reason. Can you give us a little bit of that scene

00:07:44.740 and how that might apply to evangelicals today?

00:07:48.400 Yeah, absolutely.

00:07:49.240 So the White Horse King,

00:07:51.320 Merkel gets that name actually

00:07:53.280 from where the battle was fought at Ashdown

00:07:55.540 at White Horse Hill,

00:07:57.200 which you can still see today.

00:07:58.880 They don't actually know the specific time

00:08:01.000 that this creation was made,

00:08:03.420 but at the top of the hill,

00:08:04.540 there is a chalk structure,

00:08:06.940 a chalk etching, if you will,

00:08:08.740 into the ground of a horse,

00:08:10.080 a white horse at full gallop.

00:08:11.540 And it's been maintained to this day.

00:08:13.820 And that's where the Vikings chose to fight Alfred and his brother, King Æthelstan.

00:08:19.880 Alfred wasn't king yet at this point.

00:08:22.480 And the Vikings had divided their army into two.

00:08:26.900 And so they were split in half.

00:08:28.580 Alfred and Æthelstan decided that they would also split their army in half to match the Viking forces so that they wouldn't, you know, for battle tactics.

00:08:36.940 I won't get into details.

00:08:37.760 So Alfred shows up for the battle right in front of the Vikings, right in front of the Danes, and he's supposed to have his brother there with the other half of the army, the king.

00:08:49.200 He's supposed to be there.

00:08:51.140 But what ended up happening was that Aethelstan lingered in his tent in mass and in prayer.

00:08:59.140 And so he was – maybe he was very pious.

00:09:03.120 Maybe he was a very godly man.

00:09:05.700 I don't know, but he was late for the battle and he was the king and he was delayed in mass.

00:09:13.320 And so what ended up happening is Alfred had a decision to make.

00:09:16.100 He was facing now the entirety of the Viking forces and they had the high ground.

00:09:22.540 And so they had superior footing and they had double the numbers.

00:09:27.720 And so Alfred had to face a decision.

00:09:29.800 He didn't have a cell phone.

00:09:31.080 He's not calling his brother saying like, hey, bro, where are you at?

00:09:33.880 Uh, so he either had to run in retreat, which the Vikings would then cut them down from behind

00:09:41.420 and they would be decimated essentially, or he could stand and fight. And Alfred knowing what

00:09:47.820 would happen in retreat decided to stay and fight. And they say that he fought like a wild boar

00:09:53.780 and the particular mode in which they fought with the strategies that they use were a shield wall,

00:09:59.420 which if you've seen any viking movie or any viking tv shows you're familiar with the shield

00:10:03.880 wall it's essentially just a wall of shields right the men line up and they have their shields in

00:10:08.120 front of them and it's impenetrable if the men maintain well alfred being the leader of of this

00:10:15.820 military had to actually fight in the shield wall he wasn't just a guy that sat in the back and

00:10:20.740 ordered his men forward with only half of the forces uh in order you know good luck maybe i

00:10:26.540 hope you beat him. He was actually, he had some risk and he had to display courage by fighting

00:10:31.160 from the front and his men fought for him because if he continued to fight, they would continue to

00:10:35.560 fight. And if he retreated, if he fled, there would be no reason to fight. And so they would

00:10:40.520 run away as well. And so you couldn't have cowards in the shield wall because fleeing men

00:10:44.940 would absolutely decimate the line. And Alfred fought courageously and they're pushing in the

00:10:52.260 shield wall. It's like a rugby scrum is how Ben Merkel describes it in White Horse King.

00:10:56.540 And it gets to the point in the battle, it's pitched, they're pushing, there's only so

00:11:03.680 much energy and so much stamina that these men can exert, and it gets to the point where

00:11:08.820 one side has to give, and the enemies start to run away, the Vikings start to run away.

00:11:13.600 And it's at that point that Aethelstan, King Aethelstan, shows up with the other half of

00:11:17.700 the army, and then they rout the Viking forces.

00:11:21.160 And so it was a tremendous battle.

00:11:23.340 I said in the episode that it was one of the most important battles in Western history, not because of its size or because of the land or it secured a kingdom, but it actually gave us one of the greatest kings in Christendom with King Alfred.

00:11:39.820 It was the battle that ended up giving him credibility, and it was soon decided after that that he would be heir apparent to the throne if Athelstan died, and he did shortly thereafter.

00:11:52.220 And then we got King Alfred, who is the father of what we now know as Britain or England.

00:12:00.440 Right.

00:12:01.260 What application?

00:12:03.020 I feel like there's probably multiple different elements that could be drawn out.

00:12:07.880 But in what ways do you see people like King Alfred's brother lingering long in their prayers

00:12:15.240 in piety when there's actually a battle that they're neglecting?

00:12:19.420 Yeah, I think you see this a lot in certain pietistic circles where there is an element, prayer is good. You should pray. But me and my Bible by myself, me as my own Pope, me in my prayers, and that's the front lines of battle as far as they extend for certain folks when there are actually people out there that are, they want to enslave your women and children.

00:12:47.040 they want to steal your legacy they want you to stay in your prayer closet they want you there

00:12:54.560 they actually they prefer to keep it there you've heard the idea a long time ago before a burger

00:13:01.400 felt and things like that like i don't care what people do in their bedrooms you know it's it's

00:13:05.620 their own business well that applies actually to you too christian they're they're fine as long as

00:13:10.460 you keep your christianity inside your home and inside your head but as soon as it comes outside

00:13:15.840 the four walls of your home, the enemy would tremble because you actually worship the King

00:13:21.820 of Kings and the Lord of Lords. And so there's a whole group of people, and it's really modern

00:13:26.940 American Christianity that exercises this sort of pietism that would say your faith should not

00:13:32.280 touch anywhere outside of your home or church, that there's this whole category of untouchable

00:13:38.320 law that God, I guess you should not be interacting with, that Christ is Lord, but

00:13:44.660 not in that specific way. And so you find a lot of cowards. Yeah, I think another part of it is, 0.96

00:13:52.740 you know, history is helpful because it shows you that these things have existed for a long time. 1.00

00:13:56.620 So even in the 1500s into the 1600s, you still have the onslaught of Islam. And Martin Luther, 0.99

00:14:03.620 actually, in his early writings, because he was so oppositional to the... Sorry about that. Sorry.

00:14:11.280 because Martin Luther was so oppositional to what was going on with the Roman Catholic Church

00:14:16.420 and their practice of indulgences connected with the Crusades, right? A lot of that stuff

00:14:21.200 is theologically problematic. But early on, he had said things like, you know, it's better just

00:14:26.640 for the Muslims to kill us. And all they're doing is sending people straight to heaven, 1.00

00:14:30.780 so we should thank them. He changed course later in his life, especially if you have a couple

00:14:36.880 major battles. Solomon the Magnificent lays siege to Vienna for the first time, and Luther will 0.79

00:14:42.700 change his position. But I think even that, it goes to show you that there's always that tendency

00:14:47.840 among Christians to over-spiritualize things. And I think one of the things I take from Alfred 0.76

00:14:53.460 is what I've often said to people just in pastoral council. God seems to seldom answer a man who's

00:15:00.420 praying for a hole and leaning on a shovel. So pray by all means, but get to work. God seems to

00:15:05.540 honor that. And so the man in history who did a lot of great things, they viewed all of life as

00:15:12.880 pertaining to piety and defending their people and their nation as pertaining to piety. And so

00:15:18.900 it wasn't, as Dan said, it wasn't just, you know, pray in your prayer closet and that's going to be

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00:17:25.080 sign up today some of what we're getting at is just in a general sense would be ambition

00:17:31.000 um eric you've talked about this um in the past but it seems like um ambition uh especially when

00:17:38.180 it comes to men right because if you're if you're a woman um then you're constantly being encouraged

00:17:43.640 to be ambitious even within a lot of soft you know or even conservative sadly uh evangelical

00:17:49.760 circles if you're a woman you know you'll be pushed in that direction to take risk to be

00:17:54.560 ambitious, to not be a doormat, don't allow yourself to be trampled over, you know, do this,

00:18:00.080 do that, exercise power. You know, I think Foster said it before, like, if you want really good

00:18:05.000 advice as a young man, just read, like, you know, read a Vice article that's written to women,

00:18:10.080 you know, or something like that, you know, that'll lead you in the right direction.

00:18:14.080 But within evangelical circles, within the church, as it pertains to men, ambition has been

00:18:20.880 frowned upon severely, that basically ambition has been chalked up to vanity, worldliness,

00:18:29.220 selfishness, idolatry, everything's an idol. And you've talked a little bit about that,

00:18:34.440 Eric, but I feel like if we're trying to apply this principle of a king who's lingering long

00:18:40.080 in his prayers when he should be fighting, I think ambition is part of what we're getting at,

00:18:46.760 that i think a lot of people today within the church have been encouraged to um to place piety

00:18:54.060 it will to take two things and put them at odds when when there really should be no uh they shouldn't

00:19:00.980 be at odds you know piety and dominion ambition and these kinds of things but it seems like um

00:19:08.500 we're constantly being encouraged by the church not to have any ambition outside of you know

00:19:13.800 faithful attendance and membership in a local church, our quiet time and prayer life, being a

00:19:18.920 good husband, and being a good dad. But anything, you know, if it comes to politics or economics

00:19:25.640 and markets and starting a business or this or that or the other, that's usually frowned upon.

00:19:30.820 And if somebody does find themselves being, you know, successful in the business world or

00:19:35.960 something like that, it's always, you know, only spoken of in a positive light if they live on the

00:19:42.380 least amount possible and give everything else to the church. What do you think about that?

00:19:47.400 Yeah, I think you're absolutely right. And I think it really comes back to kind of one pivotal

00:19:52.320 thing that we've seen more clearly since 2020. But essentially what you have is what I call

00:19:57.800 regime evangelicals, regime-aligned evangelical leaders who are all for appropriating Christianity,

00:20:05.800 not necessarily destroying it, but appropriating it for leftist causes. And this includes the

00:20:10.100 weakening of men so one thing you see even right now happening you know it's it's not uh you know

00:20:17.480 it's not just a coincidence that karen swallow prior is publishing things like the biblical

00:20:21.560 masculinity movement is a scam okay well why does she think that well because she's dolores on bridge

00:20:27.160 and she's a school marm and all those things but fundamentally they realize the problem that if

00:20:31.600 their goal is to push leftist woke he gets us style jesus well an obstacle that the key obstacle

00:20:38.260 to left wokeism is men acting like men and reading histories like this and then saying,

00:20:44.200 wait a minute, we don't actually have to act like pansies.

00:20:46.760 We can actually be a guy like Alfred who had godly courage.

00:20:50.940 He had a grand vision for what he wanted Christendom to be.

00:20:54.940 And it was Christendom that he envisioned for England.

00:20:57.460 He had looked at Charlemagne.

00:20:59.000 He'd seen the bringing together of the Holy Roman Empire and what that could do for God's

00:21:03.760 people.

00:21:04.340 And so he's inspired and he wants to do something similar.

00:21:08.180 And I think those regime evangelicals, like, look, what are they doing?

00:21:12.320 Whatever the left is pushing and the progressive left, globalist left, whatever they're pushing, 0.59

00:21:17.200 they will find a way to force it into scripture, right?

00:21:20.800 They're distorting scripture to make it sound like Jesus is actually a leftist.

00:21:26.040 Well, and I think one of the key things that they have to do is neuter ambition, right?

00:21:30.140 You've got to geld all the men to buy into that sort of worldview.

00:21:35.200 and really i mean it comes in many different forms right some of them are more subtle some

00:21:41.000 of it is just saying well jesus is meek and lowly uh some of it is uh even karen you know she she's

00:21:47.120 been pushing the anti-masculinity stuff for a while but then promoting right jesus john wayne

00:21:53.460 um she's also been promoting things like robert bligh which is really interesting because she's

00:21:58.600 she's actually fine with the robert bligh style of masculinity which is real therapeutic right 0.95

00:22:04.460 robert bligh if you if you read his book iron john he's like you know you know homosexuals 0.70

00:22:08.240 fall in love and i'm not discounting that and you have to embrace your internal femininity

00:22:12.500 yeah yeah exactly so they're cool with that they're cool with you getting in touch with your

00:22:16.800 you know your feminist side but what they're not cool with and i think what is going to 0.97

00:22:21.740 eventually cause huge problems like you're like wait a minute you're saying that a christian

00:22:27.800 nation should defend itself and we're like yep then the rubber meets the road right and that's

00:22:33.760 the sort of thing that they've got to deal with. They've got to get rid of it.

00:22:37.660 Right. Yeah, right now it seems like all the West, and I think it's intrinsically tied to 0.99

00:22:45.160 Christianity, but I do think there are multiple pieces. I don't think it's just Christianity,

00:22:50.220 but the West, Western countries, Europe, America, Canada, I don't know if you even count them as a

00:22:57.760 country, but, you know, but these, these Western, you know, places, um, predominantly, you know, 0.52

00:23:03.400 Anglo white, you know, where they used to be, but you know, that's still part of it. So I think 0.96

00:23:07.880 there's a national level, there's an ethnic level, and then there's a religious level Christianity,

00:23:11.980 but those three components combined, um, it's not just that, that there's a fight or the world is

00:23:18.060 against us or something like that. Um, the world doesn't really even have to be against us. I think

00:23:22.920 the west is just uh it has a death wish we're just we're suicidal like we like we just want to

00:23:28.280 kill ourselves nobody has to fight us uh like people are just they're they're running as fast

00:23:33.460 as they can off of a cliff like every single like the things that would lend towards the most harm

00:23:39.200 the most destruction um uh that's that's what uh has been heralded as a virtue you know so like um

00:23:47.020 yeah i yeah like the he gets us commercial you know i i know plenty of people are talking about

00:23:52.620 it you know the one from the super bowl which again by the time this episode uh lands it'll

00:23:57.780 probably be a few weeks you know in in our past but um all those examples i think it was ben

00:24:03.220 zeisloff he did like a thread that i thought was helpful he's he's you know he's always using ai

00:24:07.460 pictures he's pretty good at um but he you know he was showing some of the pictures that they had

00:24:11.800 um in in the ad and one of them was you know the woman who's washing this other uh woman her feet

00:24:18.020 outside of a Planned Parenthood, you know, an abortion clinic. And then there's people picketing

00:24:22.680 off to the side. And he just did a thread of each of these pictures. And it was a hypothetical,

00:24:28.040 you know, facetious, but well within the realm of possibility saying, let's check back in,

00:24:33.600 you know, six months down the road, where are these people now? And it says, well, this or not

00:24:38.680 six months, I think he said like, a, you know, six years down the road. He said, well, this woman,

00:24:42.960 she's now going back to Planned Parenthood for her fourth abortion. These people were picketing.

00:24:48.720 Two of them were elderly women who have an 11 year jail sentence and are serving time in prison.

00:24:55.620 The people who were saying, don't murder your baby. So they're in jail. This woman's getting

00:24:59.700 her fourth abortion and, and feels a little bit entitled and frustrated that no one's there to 0.99

00:25:03.700 wash her feet as she's standing in line. You know, and, and this, this, you know, immigrant couple

00:25:08.620 over here. Well, you know, the husband actually, you know, they came in and were being, you know,

00:25:13.800 a Christian, you know, white Christian family showed them hospitality and had them in their

00:25:17.780 home. But then the husband actually, you know, six months after being in their home, actually

00:25:21.560 murdered the wife of the host couple, you know, and he's, but he got off with a slap on the wrist,

00:25:26.980 you know, like, and so anyways, it was like this really interesting, you know, thought experiment

00:25:31.200 that's, you know, people, you know, obviously like if, if you're a leftist, you know, you're

00:25:38.620 If you have just an ounce of common sense, you don't even have to be a Christian, but

00:25:41.660 you're just like, yeah, that's, I mean, that's every major news story, right? 0.99

00:25:45.600 You wash the feet of someone who's transgender, and then they shoot your daughter in a school, 1.00

00:25:50.740 right? 1.00

00:25:50.960 You wash the feet of somebody getting an abortion.

00:25:53.380 Now they're getting their fourth abortion, and a 73-year-old woman gets an 11-year jail

00:25:58.180 sentence for saying, please don't murder your baby, right? 1.00

00:26:01.200 You welcome in the immigrant. 1.00

00:26:02.340 The immigrant ends up murdering someone and, you know, or getting in some brawl, some fight and beating up police officers gets let off with a slap on the wrist and does the double bird, you know, to the news media crew on his way out saying, you know, F America. 0.99

00:26:19.440 These like, that's not a hypothetical. 0.92

00:26:21.400 Everything I just listed right there.

00:26:22.720 Those are actual headlines.

00:26:23.680 Those are things that have actually happened.

00:26:25.180 And so my point is, it's not like the world is against the West.

00:26:27.960 Nobody has to be against the West.

00:26:29.500 The West hates itself. 0.79

00:26:30.540 the west is doing everything it can possibly to commit suicide uh guilt is a hell of a drug and

00:26:36.620 and people are you know that there it's like we're racing to you know to the edge of a cliff who can

00:26:42.920 who can kill themselves first and so it's not just ambition is frowned upon it's uh at this point

00:26:48.740 it's like if you're not exercising ambition towards your own suicide uh then you're in sin 0.74

00:26:54.880 And so every, like every single virtues don't have borders or, um, let women commit abortion

00:27:01.160 or, you know, this, that, and it like, but everything that's virtuous, if you, if you 0.87

00:27:05.140 just draw the line out and it's not very far, I mean, it's like two dots that are right

00:27:08.860 next to each other.

00:27:09.460 It's pretty easy to connect, but if you just look for the correlation, everything that's

00:27:13.500 deemed as virtuous in our society today is everything that would fall under the category

00:27:18.540 of self-destruction, self-destruct, self-destruct, kill yourself, end it, you're done. 1.00

00:27:24.880 you're horrible. That's where we are. Yeah. A big part of it, too, is you have to go back and 1.00

00:27:29.080 say, where did that come from? Like, what makes people suicidal? And a lot of times, nationally,

00:27:35.220 you know, suicidal, it really comes from history. And so the histories we've told ourselves really

00:27:40.500 matter. And so even with critical race theory, the Frankfurt School coming out of Germany,

00:27:46.260 you know, what do they do? They come to America, they infiltrate, you know, Marcuse, they infiltrate 0.69

00:27:50.840 the university system. Of course, he's trained at the OSS in propaganda. He's very good at this

00:27:55.180 thing. And then they just slowly undermine, their core function is to undermine really the

00:28:00.420 foundations of Western civilization, which is Christian. And so as they do that, now you have 1.00

00:28:05.580 a generation that hates its fathers. And so here's an interesting connection that I've found

00:28:11.040 in all of this. It's interesting from a fifth commandment, honor thy father and mother,

00:28:15.820 from a fifth commandment perspective, when you start hating your fathers, you start hating

00:28:20.240 yourself right like that connection where we i mean you can even look at the youngsters today

00:28:26.920 you you look at teenagers and the rates of suicide are skyrocketing well you know you've taught them

00:28:34.300 to hate their fathers their heritage their ethnicity their skin color they hate everything 0.76

00:28:39.040 about themselves i mean it's kind of the logical conclusion it's interesting because there's a 0.97

00:28:44.420 promise associated with that right yeah is that you'll dwell long in the land if you honor your

00:28:49.620 father and mother and so even even the uh average age uh life expectancy is dropping in the united

00:28:56.580 states which is shocking right right uh and because we have an entire generation we have

00:29:03.280 generations of people that actually hate their father and mother and so there's judgment they're

00:29:08.500 even we're even being displaced out of our own land right because of how we despise our father

00:29:15.640 and mother yeah and i mean the craziness of it right is you go back to some of the problems

00:29:21.780 going back with alfred sometimes it's the people in your own lines and and often that's that's true

00:29:27.320 in the book of joshua we have the same thing if you have aiken in your camp and you put up with 0.53

00:29:31.740 aiken and maybe you're putting up with female pastors maybe you're putting up with wokeness

00:29:35.680 maybe you're putting up with a matt chandler who's saying you know i actually want the african

00:29:39.680 american seven right if that's the case and you're allowing all these things to exist in your camp

00:29:44.600 don't be surprised when it's torn your whole culture down because you you've ingested the 0.94

00:29:50.080 poison and i think in large part i don't know you know you'll see this throughout history 0.60

00:29:55.700 uh you get to 1683 in the battle of vienna how do they get to the point where the ottoman empire

00:30:01.380 has 200 000 turks ready to invade the capital of the holy roman empire how do you get to that

00:30:06.720 point how the west fell asleep its leadership fell asleep uh they downplayed the problems and

00:30:12.500 And then what's crazy, you can read books like The Sword and Cimeter by Raymond Ibrahim.

00:30:17.660 And how did Yarmouk happen? 0.61

00:30:19.160 How did the West first get conquered by Islam?

00:30:21.680 And then you read the accounts of the religious people of the day who were faithful, and they're 0.95

00:30:24.980 like, we got transgenderism, we got homosexuality, we got all this crazy stuff happening, and 0.89

00:30:31.640 it's like a replay. 0.98

00:30:32.460 It's the same thing with Alfred.

00:30:34.400 In England, before Alfred, that when the Vikings first invaded Lindisfarne, which is the holy

00:30:41.240 island of Lindisfarne. The emperor, I'm sorry, Charlemagne's clerk or whomever, Alcuin, he wrote

00:30:51.480 to the king in Wessex and said, it's because of the sensualities, because of fornications and

00:30:59.300 adult deeds that the judgment of God has come upon you. So it's the same thing, Yarmouk. We're

00:31:05.400 finding this on repeat within history. And the assumption, I think, for a lot of pietistic

00:31:09.740 christians is that well that's old testament that's old covenant sort of language right that

00:31:15.720 the people of god would turn away and god would send enemies against them and judge them but we

00:31:19.860 have christ now and so that doesn't happen well history would beg to differ and so really the

00:31:26.280 trajectory that we're on is that we're under judgment and that there will be more judgment

00:31:31.020 unless people repent and turn back to christ yeah do you think part of it so certainly um there's

00:31:38.760 been an apostasy in the west turning from christ uh that is our foundation that's our heritage

00:31:45.180 um and as we've rebelled against christ and his principles against um his commands there's

00:31:52.560 certainly been judgment we find ourselves being taken over you know by uh we we used you know i

00:31:57.640 mean america was a world superpower and you know and at this point that's you know that's up for

00:32:04.660 serious debate. And so there's, you know, foreign enemies that have gotten stronger as we've gotten

00:32:10.300 weaker. There's all these different forms of judgment because of no-fault divorce and pornography

00:32:16.100 and, you know, all these different things where we've turned our back. But it seems like one of

00:32:20.300 the judgments also, I think of, you know, the Old Testament prophets that say, you know, that

00:32:23.620 part of God's judgment will be that women and children rule over you. And, you know, that I,

00:32:30.640 you know, on one hand, I see that as a sin. So on one hand, I feel like you could put in the

00:32:36.440 same category as no fault divorce and pornography. You know, you could put female pastors and female 0.93

00:32:43.200 politicians and senators and, you know, this and that, you can put it over there. But on the other 1.00

00:32:47.500 hand, you could also put it as, you know, in the category of not the sin, but the judgment. And

00:32:54.600 one thing, I guess what I'm building up to is one thing I've noticed about, I'd be interested to

00:32:59.980 see this. I'll just, I'm going to say it and somebody in the YouTube comments is going to say,

00:33:03.240 no, you know, this survey says you're wrong. But don't women on average commit suicide more than

00:33:11.340 men? That's a good question. I know, I certainly know the stat line that when men do it, it's more 1.00

00:33:17.420 violent. I believe that. Yeah. A gun, you know, women, it's usually pills or something like that. 0.94

00:33:22.440 You know, I remember reading that. I'm curious, I guess what I'm getting at is one, you know,

00:33:28.660 women just aren't supposed to be in that role. And so they're going to struggle in a leadership 1.00

00:33:32.100 role in a way that a man's not, um, because it's not what they're built for. They're built towards,

00:33:35.840 uh, nurturing, um, and, and not, uh, leading in the face of opposition and danger and all these

00:33:41.780 kinds of things. Uh, but, um, yeah. So the point is that line, Joel, sorry to interrupt, but the

00:33:47.620 stat line is that more women attempt suicide, more men are successful. Okay. There you go.

00:33:55.040 All right. Well, yeah, that adds up. I don't know why you're laughing.

00:33:58.500 We finish what we start. I'm saying we finish what we start. Yeah. Men, men are, uh, men are

00:34:03.920 successful one way or another. Um, so, you know, but my point is this, as you find women in more

00:34:09.440 positions of leadership, I do think, all right, so take suicide out of it. I do think that women 1.00

00:34:14.040 are more susceptible to guilt, um, to being manipulated, um, especially by some kind of

00:34:19.260 guilt tactic and and so as you have you know i think of you know even the supreme court you know

00:34:25.180 ruling on the the border situation um you know like is it a coincidence that you know that five

00:34:32.300 votes you know towards you know let the immigrant in and you know you can't have the razor wire

00:34:37.320 right exactly it's all five women one of them you know women of both sexes four women and then one 0.98

00:34:43.620 honorary woman. John Roberts. But anyways, that's not a coincidence. I think part of the judgment 0.93

00:34:52.460 of having women and children ruling over you is that they're going to make detrimental decisions. 0.96

00:35:00.960 Why would that be a judgment? Why is that a bad thing to have women and children rule over you? 1.00

00:35:04.880 Well, the obvious implication is because they're going to rule poorly. And I don't think it's the 0.98

00:35:12.620 poor ruling of, well, they're going to burden you and tax you to death and this and that. 0.99

00:35:17.360 Like, how, how is it that a woman would rule over her citizens that would be toward their 1.00

00:35:24.020 detriment? Um, I, I think, um, I think it's by, by letting, uh, letting down every barrier, 1.00

00:35:31.020 every wall, every protection and, uh, and letting their enemies trample them. I don't think it's

00:35:35.480 that she tramples them. I think it's that she doesn't, she doesn't possess the fortitude 0.74

00:35:41.160 to protect her citizens. I think that's the judgment of a female ruler is that the female 1.00

00:35:46.120 ruler will prefer the foreigner to her own citizens. She'll let this person cause this 1.00

00:35:55.040 atrocity. And so anyways, I'm wondering how much of where we're at with the West is because of

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00:37:10.400 yeah yeah i i think a huge part of it it's really interesting as you're talking about this because

00:37:15.960 you look through christendom and i'll have dan way in here too but you look through all these

00:37:20.040 great epics of christendom like there's rides and fall but like the moments where people step up you

00:37:25.860 know again jan sobieski or richard the lionheart it is interesting to me in all the research we've

00:37:31.460 done a ton of reading about this um you don't find as much as feminists want to make out of this

00:37:38.200 you don't find female rulers doing great things i mean that's like 100 absent you find them doing 0.76

00:37:45.000 great motherly things and uh great things for their people certainly right um but even stories

00:37:50.340 like uh that that you know you think of something like a jael a deborah um you would think like oh

00:37:56.800 these would be you know great parts if if if christ had really appointed female apostles as

00:38:01.980 some people claim and you know that that they were having pastoral roles like why don't we see that

00:38:07.520 historically um but generally what you do see um is is what you said which is you know the supreme

00:38:13.420 judgment on the west um i think even today uh i saw somebody say it was like a meme or something

00:38:19.000 conservative guy uh but he said you know everybody thinks taylor swift's a hero she's not but you

00:38:24.180 know look at lauren bobert and christy noem i'm like christy noem is probably the best of our

00:38:29.380 conservative leaders and i think within the last year it came out that for like a long-standing

00:38:33.980 time uh she was having an adulterous relationship with one of the trump advisors so it's like that's

00:38:40.260 your best right um so so highly problematic certainly judgment um dan i'm curious your

00:38:48.120 thoughts though on on christendom am i missing a female here did i miss a female plot line

00:38:52.780 i'm trying to recall from my reading um the answer is no you're a genius eric i mean we've

00:39:02.240 had queens in christendom before um but i i guess i would point to i know when queen elizabeth

00:39:08.380 most recent queen of of england died a lot of people heralded her as like the last great

00:39:16.440 christian ruler right as she systematically dismantled one of the greatest empires that

00:39:23.540 has ever existed on earth john knox had some things to say to the queens also yes he did

00:39:28.320 which was great you know i to your to your point though i i can't think of a great

00:39:33.480 female ruler in uh christendom no even even thinking on the queens you know from victoria 0.97

00:39:39.920 victoria onward that's like you know sort of the heyday in victorian england but like from their 1.00

00:39:47.320 rule on is like the collapse of the british empire so you know the feminists don't want to 0.72

00:39:53.740 talk about that and obviously there's a lot more going on but i think it would seem to confirm 1.00

00:39:58.220 that yeah you've got this judgment obviously catherine the great people like this but then

00:40:02.000 you start reading the history and you're like there's a lot of weirdness happening around those

00:40:06.940 situations i mean queen mary she uh she executed latimer and ridley and then there was a great

00:40:12.840 resurgence of the christian faith because of the persecution so i mean thank you for that you know

00:40:18.120 i yeah i can't i'm at a loss i don't know what to tell you yeah i wonder if there were good

00:40:23.160 carriage drivers though that's really what i want to know more accidents i don't know all right

00:40:29.840 well um yeah so i anyways i just i feel like that's a important element to work in as well

00:40:35.520 it's just you know the west has rebelled against its christian heritage and a lot of that has been

00:40:42.220 sexual immorality uh sex related sins infidelity adultery no-fault divorce pornography 0.90

00:40:49.080 transgenderism homosexuality all all these different things um but wrapped up in that i 0.92

00:40:55.060 don't it's hard to even parse out because it's just this big blob of sin and mess but part of 0.95

00:41:00.920 it i i just feel like feminism has to has to at least get a mention yeah i don't know if you

00:41:06.380 recently watched the tucker uh carl uh tucker galson vladimir putin interview uh but back to

00:41:13.300 your point about women and the nature of women uh the scriptures say that women are more easily

00:41:18.200 deceived obviously that that means like manipulation guilt manipulation emotional

00:41:23.100 manipulation um just believing in in lies they're easier to deceive right to lead astray

00:41:29.400 something was really uh just obvious to me as tucker is is um interviewing putin as i look at

00:41:37.340 this world leader after having seen joe biden you know now for for some three years and then seeing

00:41:43.780 putin i don't he doesn't strike me as a guy that's easily manipulated right it was very apparent that

00:41:52.000 he didn't care two figs about what the american media had to say the media propaganda machine

00:41:58.300 and that was just really an interesting uh picture between american politicians versus

00:42:03.920 you know a russian politician oh i mean it goes to the saying in the u.s you know which is a you

00:42:10.460 know departure distinct departure from christendom but today sort of the judgment is we have

00:42:15.260 sclerotic old men and the ginocracy and those things are definitely true but but i also think 0.99

00:42:20.520 it's interesting going back to the the putin interview we talked about how the poison the

00:42:25.260 arsenic and in in people's food has been history and i think it was interesting that why did he

00:42:30.940 take 30 minutes of a two-hour interview to talk about the history of russia well i think it's

00:42:35.120 because history matters it matters a lot and i think if you're going to you know as we look at

00:42:41.800 all of this garbage and nonsense we say obviously we have to repent uh we can also draw from history

00:42:46.800 that people in the past did repent yes um you know uh you have jan sobieski uh who got it's 0.80

00:42:53.000 sort of i mean almost in many ways history reads like the book of judges you know like you get

00:42:59.500 samson and it says the people turned away from the lord and so he gave them 40 years of oppression

00:43:03.620 under the Philistines, and then they repent, and then God brings Samson, and God brings a Jan

00:43:08.860 Sobieski, or God brings a Richard the Lionheart. And I think because of that, it's like, well, 0.85

00:43:14.800 Putin understands history in ways that a lot of Westerners don't, and we could disagree with some

00:43:20.020 of it, but we could and should all agree that it is important. You know, that's interesting you

00:43:25.420 bring that up because I think the assumption for American Christians is that what does repentance

00:43:32.720 look like? I guess that's the question. And I think the assumption is that, oh, we have another

00:43:37.420 great awakening. If you look at the histories of the great awakenings in America, they have not

00:43:42.100 produced good fruit. Or another revival. We could have a huge revival, and that's going to be the

00:43:47.040 way that God causes hearts to turn to him. And if you look at history, if you look at the old

00:43:56.120 old covenant, the old Testament, it's usually a small band of courageous men that decide,

00:44:03.400 no, that we're going to fight. We're going to stand here and we're going to fight.

00:44:07.920 And it ends up turning the hearts of the people back towards God. And that seems to be the pattern

00:44:13.260 that God uses throughout history is it either one man or a small group of men that actually turn

00:44:18.920 history. And so I guess as an encouragement, it might feel like we're kind of alone in this.

00:44:26.120 We're very small. There's not a lot of Christians, I think, the way that we do.

00:44:31.960 But you don't know what God can do with just a few brave men. And so it's a call to courage.

00:44:38.580 Yep. Amen. Yeah. I've been telling people, if you wanted to boil it down to two things

00:44:44.700 in terms of a plan for victory, what would have the highest likelihood of being successful? It

00:44:53.320 would be uh honor to the past and hope for the future honor to the past and hope for the future

00:44:59.420 like when i look at when i look at um churches that are growing um christians uh like like you

00:45:07.680 guys with um with influence um over you know um over other churches and other christians and you

00:45:15.280 know that are growing and doing good work and that people are kind of flocking to their message and i

00:45:21.520 try to take that message that contains a lot of different elements, but boil it down to just two.

00:45:26.740 It seems like the formula, if there is one, is fairly simple. It's honor when looking to

00:45:33.180 our past and hope when looking towards our future, which is the exact opposite of what we've had for

00:45:38.260 at least 80 years. You think of, some people have called it the post-war consensus, or whatever you

00:45:44.280 want to call it. You can call it the post-war consensus. You could call it boomers. You could

00:45:48.640 call it um you know you could call it dispensationalism you know you could you know

00:45:53.520 that that would put you at 150 years you could you know whatever like there's a you know and

00:45:57.300 there's probably you know it's a mix of all that it's the post-war consensus with with a you know

00:46:02.060 a healthy dose of you know dispensational zionism and and then some boomer con you know sprinkled

00:46:10.280 in there but but if you if you look at their vision um it really has been the opposite of

00:46:15.720 what i've just said it's um it's disdain for their fathers disdain for the past and despair

00:46:22.580 for the future so you have disdain for the past and despair for the future versus and and then

00:46:29.280 you wonder why everything's falling apart like like like why why are we shocked that that wasn't

00:46:34.000 a winning strategy yeah right that's what i mean that's you could you could argue all the way back

00:46:37.920 to the enlightenment you could say it's been 300 years you could say it's been 150 years since

00:46:41.600 Schofield, you know, and dispensationalism, or you can say it's been 80 years, you know,

00:46:45.540 with the post-war consensus, but any way you slice it, you know, anywhere from 80 to 300 years in

00:46:50.300 the West, that has been the mantra. That has been the battle cry, disdain for the past and despair

00:46:56.660 for the future. What do you think about your fathers? I hate them. They're icky, right? What

00:47:01.740 do you think about the future? Jesus is coming back next Thursday. Really doesn't matter, right?

00:47:06.760 And that like, that's it. And then things crumble and you're, and you're surprised. And, and then,

00:47:11.480 you know, and then someone comes around and, and starts a podcast like the King's Hall and says,

00:47:17.500 Hey, maybe Christendom wasn't so bad. And maybe it's okay for men to not linger long in their

00:47:22.140 prayers, but to actually fight, you know, the enemy that's on their doorstep because they love

00:47:26.520 what's behind them, their country, their kinsmen, their wives, their children, their heritage,

00:47:30.920 their legacy, and maybe God actually honors that. Maybe Christianity isn't synonymous with suicide.

00:47:40.380 Like maybe, you know, because here's the thing, martyrdom, right? Well, you know, the martyrs,

00:47:45.320 you know, the blood of the martyrs is the seabed of the church. Yes and amen a thousand times.

00:47:49.140 Martyrdom is not suicide. What we're experiencing today is not martyrdom. It is self-induced death.

00:47:56.400 it is self-inflicted destruction. Martyrdom is not self-inflicted. That's when you're faithful,

00:48:03.380 you're pursuing Christ, you're obeying his commandments, and the enemy just in the

00:48:09.400 sovereignty of God, he allows the enemy to come in like a flood, and you're one of the people

00:48:14.560 that God in his sovereignty allows to be mowed down. But it wasn't self-inflicted. It wasn't

00:48:20.440 a self-fulfilling prophecy. You didn't shoot yourself in the foot. You were obedient to

00:48:25.120 christ and christ allowed in that moment in your case for for the opposition um to take you out

00:48:32.180 and all that he does for his good and holy purposes and and he uses your life and and and

00:48:37.800 the lack of life your death um to bring about immense good for future generations praise god

00:48:42.860 that's great the martyrs you know i think of um what is it fox's book of martyrs is that a thing

00:48:48.080 like i mean so those you know that's that's wonderful that's wonderful but that is not

00:48:53.300 what we're experiencing today. We are not experiencing martyrdom in the West. We are

00:48:57.420 in other parts of the world. There are faithful Christians losing their lives for the sake of the 0.99

00:49:00.600 gospels. But in the West, by and large, it's not martyrdom. It's suicide. That is what we are

00:49:06.500 experiencing. And it's because you have people who have this frame of mind, despair when they

00:49:13.200 look to the future, when they look forward, and disdain when they look back. So if you have a

00:49:18.720 whole generation, a whole nation, a whole culture of people who think that their lineage, their

00:49:26.820 heritage, their fathers, their ancestors are icky, and they think that everything they have

00:49:33.380 came by oppression and colonization and this and that, and that Jesus is going to come back next

00:49:41.400 week. Or if he doesn't, if they lost, it'd be great. That would actually be a win because

00:49:46.600 everything they have they don't deserve it was it was uh accumulated wrongfully then i mean that

00:49:52.740 like that is is going to lose there's no way that that mindset ever wins and my my whole point in

00:50:00.200 saying all that is that is the regime you're right eric you mentioned that earlier that that is our

00:50:04.320 leftist progressive atheistic secular humanist regime but it's also evangelicals yeah like it's

00:50:11.060 not it's not like and it's not even it's barely even nuanced it's barely even has a christian

00:50:16.100 spin on it it's almost verbatim the exact same rhetoric of our past was bad um you know this was

00:50:24.600 bad that was bad um and and you know uh for the leftist it's like global warming is going to kill

00:50:31.460 us next week for the evangelicals jesus is going to come back next week you know but both agree

00:50:36.060 that our fathers were bad and um and if we lose everything good yeah and i i mean no kind of issue

00:50:44.520 more can you see this i guess than the crusades right you had uh karen armstrong and other you

00:50:50.900 know leftists who've karen i think is a former nun uh but other people who've been pushing back 0.80

00:50:56.400 against you know sort of the the truth which was that you know the muslims invaded and christianity

00:51:03.100 was defending itself and uh but yet today we're told that you know you know campus crusade for

00:51:09.260 christ you had to change your name to crew right still a huge uh part of the part of the name

00:51:14.420 which is ironic we'll start landing the plane maybe you could address this dan while eric

00:51:22.400 takes a quick break but i was just thinking um we'd be remiss if we're talking about the crusades

00:51:27.300 and all these kinds of things if we didn't take at least here at the very end of the episode a

00:51:31.300 moment to talk about the zero contribution of Muslims. You know, as I've been reading, seriously, 1.00

00:51:38.360 as I've been reading, you know, all these books, you know, the same kind of books that you guys

00:51:41.520 are reading, I've been, I mean, I shouldn't say I'm shocked. I was looking for it. I did go in

00:51:48.860 with this presupposition expecting it, but it has exceeded all my expectations that part of the 0.78

00:51:56.220 reason the Christians, I mean, of course the Lord Jesus, Lord of Lords and King of Kings is on their

00:52:00.980 side but also they have cross bows and they have roman fire or greek fire and they have you know 0.98

00:52:07.120 this and they have that and muslims have nothing like down to the design of their shields and 1.00

00:52:12.980 swords like it's like everything they make is is terrible yeah yeah they had any horses and 1.00

00:52:19.220 terrible armor and yeah they did yeah but apparently they invented calculus and a bunch

00:52:24.480 of other stuff so right and and that's what i found that interesting too because when it came

00:52:28.740 to exactly when it came to like science and philosophers and medical physicians and these

00:52:35.080 kinds of things, one of the things that was, I forget which one it was. I think it was either

00:52:40.400 Rodney Stark, God's Battalions, or maybe it was Defenders of the West. I think it was God's

00:52:44.500 Battalions, Rodney Stark. But one of the things he said is that if you look into all these alleged

00:52:50.680 contributions historically um from from islam uh it actually if you like okay but who was the

00:52:58.480 philosopher what was his name or what was his origin oh he was a christian yeah that they took

00:53:03.920 over gave him like kind of like a nebuchadnezzar with daniel and shadrach and meshach and abednego

00:53:08.600 right you give them babylonian names uh but your best advisors they're all hebrews like

00:53:14.040 for yashir ali who is also known as bob smith right exactly exactly until he was conquered

00:53:22.740 and the only way and then you you know to play the devil's advocate they you know somebody well

00:53:26.460 well then but if they were complete losers and had zero contributions then how do they conquer

00:53:31.420 all the time which i would just say sheer numbers is what do you have another answer to that how do

00:53:36.400 they ever win tactics their tactics uh with um yeah and we can we can talk about that i think

00:53:42.240 that's that's actually really interesting something eric would like to talk about that

00:53:45.700 actually ties into uh dracul dracul by dragula vlad the impaler we can we can bring him up what

00:53:53.960 a king all right let's do that that can be the final segment of the episode but can can you

00:53:59.860 basically eric to catch you up i was just talking to dan i said we'd be remiss if we didn't cover

00:54:04.580 in this episode here at the very end um the absolute nothing burger of contributions that

00:54:10.380 come from Muslims throughout history. And I was just saying, you know, like anytime they, you 1.00

00:54:16.460 know, they did, you know, allegedly contribute something, whether it be in philosophy or this 1.00

00:54:20.220 or that, the other, you find out that, you know, oh, that's actually not a Muslim. That was like 0.74

00:54:25.780 a Christian nation that you conquered. And so like Nebuchadnezzar, you know, Shadrach, Meshach, 0.97

00:54:29.780 and Abednego, you know, it's like, oh, these are our best, you know, our best advisors. Oh,

00:54:34.140 they're all Hebrews, you know, like you just gave them Babylonian names. And yet all that being said,

00:54:39.880 to be fair, like the Muslims conquered though. They won, they won a considerable amount of 0.99

00:54:45.660 battles. So how, how is it that they don't have the crossbows because they can't, you know, how,

00:54:50.260 how is it that you hate, you hate Christ who is the true God and therefore you've rejected

00:54:56.840 the world as he made it. And therefore naturally you, you, it only makes sense that you're,

00:55:04.100 you're dishonoring, you're not honoring God. So you're not honoring the laws that he set up in

00:55:09.000 his world. So you're not going to have some of the advancements that those who do acknowledge

00:55:14.880 God have, but the Muslims still kick some butt from time to time. How'd they pull that off? 1.00

00:55:22.600 You got crossbows on one side, and then on the other side, you're throwing rocks. 1.00

00:55:27.680 How did the Muslims win? Yeah, it's a great question. And I think a lot of it, 1.00

00:55:31.160 if you look at the people who, Christians particularly, who spoke about it at the time,

00:55:35.520 It's interesting how many of them referred to the Muslims as demons, you know, somehow demonically backed.

00:55:41.180 And then you start reading about the things that the Muslims, you know, which are, you know, Moors, Turks, Saracens, there's a bunch of different kinds, but fundamentally under the banner of Islam. 0.98

00:55:51.340 But it's so interesting when you see what they did, you know, they're slaughtering people by the tens of thousands in certain battles, selling women and children into slavery, raping them. 0.96

00:56:02.060 there's actually a lot of homosexuality uh as well this is how you get somebody like vlad 0.77

00:56:07.340 and his brother who were sort of like harem boys for the sultan and uh you know stuff like that

00:56:13.920 where you're like oh why was why was vlad so angry at the muslims and why did he use their tactics

00:56:19.220 against them well because he was probably the victim of uh pedophilia um so anyway yeah and

00:56:25.800 you look at the kind of the cultural thing and you say well i think rightly the judgment of the lord

00:56:31.560 is present in why are they victorious? Again, the Christians were asking that question quite a lot

00:56:37.160 too. And even as we might today, wrestling with it. It's a tough question. And there wasn't

00:56:42.500 necessarily just one answer. But also, this is sort of one of the great myths comes up in Rodney

00:56:48.860 Stark's book, God's Battalions, which is really helpful, was this idea that all of culture, art,

00:56:55.900 history, etc. was somehow best in the Muslim form. When in point of fact, what you find from

00:57:02.860 history is that Islam would conquer by the scimitar. They would conquer in blood. They 1.00

00:57:08.460 would take a people and within about 100 to 200 years, it would be thoroughly Muslim. And the 1.00

00:57:13.700 culture would have deteriorated almost completely. And a lot of the glories of the culture would be

00:57:19.800 lost. So one prime example, the library at Alexandria, one of the greatest libraries

00:57:24.960 probably ever probably ever built and you have the muslims this is crazy today people will say 1.00

00:57:32.040 well the muslims didn't burn it down well they sure claim to have burned it down um in their 1.00

00:57:36.420 own literature it says we burned it down like if it's not in the quran then we don't need it so 1.00

00:57:40.540 we're going to burn it actually they did have a culture of anti-intellectualism yes that's part 1.00

00:57:45.520 of the motivation for them burning it down yeah so that's interesting but they invited invented

00:57:50.900 calculus so yeah they claim to have invented calculus we didn't know what the number zero 0.86

00:57:55.000 was until the muslims came along and told us um and it's really interesting because you look at 0.60

00:57:59.280 that and you say okay well is that historically true but certainly there were some advancements

00:58:04.160 that took place um technological science literature astronomy that took place under

00:58:10.380 islam but it was usually because they conquered a christian nation and changed the person's name

00:58:15.380 to you know muhammad al-dirka or whatever but you go back in history and you're like it was like

00:58:19.500 steve smith you know and and steve was a christian um who had all this knowledge wisdom etc so a lot

00:58:25.700 of it yeah they conquered they stole that um and then claim it for their own of course in in in

00:58:31.100 their histories it's also interesting to point out though that europe was actually advancing

00:58:34.960 pretty rapidly under christendom in this time period one of the reasons they were so successful

00:58:39.680 in the crusades when those came around was because they were bigger faster and stronger because of

00:58:44.440 food production. They'd figured out different plowing systems. So Europe's having this boom,

00:58:49.480 and then you have Islam, which is a tribal raiding religion, which is multiplying, 1.00

00:58:56.480 but really through very, very different means. So sort of that whole narrative that Islam had

00:59:02.120 technology and we didn't is patently false. Interesting. All right. Well, I'll leave you

00:59:09.220 with this. One last question. It's a banger. You may not want to answer, but I'm going to

00:59:13.460 throw it out there. Over the course of Christendom, now really just, you know, the last 2,000 years

00:59:20.840 in this New Testament gospel age, what do you think is the bigger, most formidable enemy 0.74

00:59:27.260 to the Christian faith, Islam or Judaism?

00:59:34.080 Yeah, it's an interesting question, Joel, because even during the Crusades,

00:59:38.040 several of the Crusades get derailed because the Christians will get into conflict with the Jewish

00:59:44.840 people. And it's interesting why that was. The Jews, a lot of times, were selling Christians 0.69

00:59:50.440 out to the Muslims. The Jews were often siding with the Muslims. You get into the Holy Land 0.55

00:59:56.380 and Jerusalem, and a lot of that conflict was actually pretty intense, the Jews and Christians

01:00:02.440 hating each other i think in terms of uh during medieval times certainly the the violence doled

01:00:11.180 out by islam is substantial um it is immense and so i think uh from that perspective uh just by like 0.95

01:00:19.940 sheer number and sheer bloodbath it seems to be the muslims are kind of at the center not kind of 1.00

01:00:25.540 they're at the center of kind of all of this you know um now i would say too though it's interesting 1.00

01:00:30.240 when you look at history, you can also have groups of people which impact. We were talking

01:00:34.980 about the Frankfurt School and Marcuse. Marcuse is one guy. So you're not looking at it and saying

01:00:39.000 like, how much wrath did one guy who was an atheistic Jew, as were many in the Frankfurt

01:00:46.100 School, how much impact did he have that's detrimental to the West? How many children

01:00:51.980 today in the last 10 years have cut their genitalia off because of CRT and because of wokeness, 1.00

01:00:57.980 this marxist atheistic jewish you know type religion so it's like that's maybe just harder 1.00

01:01:03.920 to calculate the impact but in many ways in many ways i think you could say that the plague of crt 0.99

01:01:11.160 and wokeness all of that stuff that's internal and has caused us to lose our mind in many ways

01:01:17.540 that's been worse than the external enemy because many times the external enemy would actually rouse

01:01:24.040 you to i don't know what that is is that our soundboard sounds like we found like a

01:01:35.020 treasure we have like a we have like an absolute glitch on the soundboard dan's not even touching

01:01:40.700 it i promise no one is touching the soundboard and i wouldn't use that one i would do the i'm 0.88

01:01:44.780 not gay no more

01:01:46.500 I'm 1.00

01:01:49.020 delivering

01:01:49.700 where did I leave off

01:01:52.360 I wasn't paying attention I was thinking

01:01:54.560 basically what you were saying is

01:01:56.720 that like Judaism has been 0.99

01:01:58.600 incredibly detrimental 0.99

01:02:00.940 but more through more subversive 1.00

01:02:03.200 whereas Islam 0.99

01:02:04.500 has been right there on the surface 0.94

01:02:06.920 easy to you know I mean you can calculate

01:02:08.700 the exact numbers because it was

01:02:10.440 this many thousands of people died at the 0.99

01:02:12.760 sword at an islamic sword you know well and it's interesting today too because like both enemies

01:02:17.880 jewish and islamic um in different forms like and not all muslims and you know tucker carlson's in

01:02:24.480 the uae and you know it seems to be a pretty peaceable event and and so there's it's not like 0.73

01:02:29.400 entire people groups right but like you have different types of threat that still come from

01:02:34.300 uh islam um that's still real um and people are still you know kindergartners in ireland 0.80

01:02:39.940 getting butchered by islamic terrorists um you see this in france in in fact there are websites 0.63

01:02:45.220 that track this and and people like to not think about that uh but battle of vienna september 0.87

01:02:50.460 11th there's a reason that you know the twin towers fell on september 11th that's when 0.58

01:02:54.800 you know this is orchestrated uh that when basically islam was crushed by the west 0.62

01:03:00.240 in this epic uh epic battle so i i think that those threats are are still real i think they're

01:03:07.480 just different uh but i also think it's interesting when you think about something like dispensationalism

01:03:12.280 the one thing you'll never find in the reading of christendom is people who wanted jerusalem to be

01:03:18.160 like a jewish citadel okay like islam didn't want that none of the christians wanted that there's

01:03:24.080 there's nothing of like post 1940s like zionism when you read the histories like yeah richard 0.75

01:03:30.440 the lionheart wanted to take jerusalem for christians right they weren't trying to defend

01:03:35.400 it for a zionist movement or cause like that so i think some of that too is just helpful

01:03:39.420 understanding like where maybe some of these movements come from how much influence do they

01:03:43.300 have today versus what they had in the past right dan any final thoughts yeah i think that

01:03:49.320 really the the greater enemy immediately is uh judaism simply because of you know eric talk

01:03:57.220 spoke a lot on this uh the attack of ideas uh propaganda and and just the wealth also you look

01:04:05.240 into the history of the rothschilds and and fomenting war and playing both sides uh anyway 0.91

01:04:10.560 uh do your own research on that but the question that i have to ask is so islam muslims they hate 0.97

01:04:19.660 the west i mean they hate the west we're infidels we're dogs to them right and subhuman if you're 0.99

01:04:27.640 yeah subhuman and in fact part of their religion is is to wage jihad against us and and they have 0.68

01:04:34.440 rewards and everything like that uh in eternity from Allah if they do that so why does the United 0.95

01:04:40.780 States not have more terror attacks why well I think there's a fairly obvious reason and it's

01:04:47.660 back to your earlier conversation about suicide is that when your enemy is destroying themselves

01:04:53.240 don't get in their way right so why would they attack so that's why I would say I think long 1.00

01:04:59.000 term islam you know the muslims are are a much bigger danger but currently we're being destroyed 1.00

01:05:05.720 by judaism yeah and a lot of it too even uh you know we talked to raymond ibrahim he would even 1.00

01:05:12.040 say like uh the muslims will speak of like a propaganda jihad so we think about you know you

01:05:17.800 just do the research like how much do these like lobbies spend in america from each of these 0.51

01:05:23.000 nationalities look at the numbers you'd be astounded um and then and i think it's like

01:05:27.660 how much impact is it having you know when we have minneapolis which is like little somalia

01:05:33.100 um and you know you have settlements like that happening but yet you have people in texas who

01:05:38.960 don't want to defend our own border and people a lot of that actually comes from the propaganda

01:05:43.520 side first and so i think just assessing those things and saying you know it it's very dangerous

01:05:49.020 and and then but i would just close with saying like the whole reason for season three of the

01:05:53.880 king's hall the whole reason we're trying to encourage people is because if you can't defeat

01:05:58.100 the enemy within yourself if you can't defeat that enemy and you can't believe the truth

01:06:02.920 and you can't have a community that believes that like you don't stand a chance against any

01:06:07.720 outside force it doesn't even matter um and so i think getting that right uh even starting in the

01:06:12.840 church i think my approach certainly after reading about the crusades is like i think we've been too

01:06:18.500 soft with big eba i think we've been too soft with these people are trying to like destroy your way

01:06:23.780 of life they're trying to destroy the christian faith and so i know you want to play nice with

01:06:28.040 you know tim keller type people and you know oh he's dead we can't talk about him but it's like 0.87

01:06:33.160 that stuff is absolute rat poison it's disgusting and demonic in many ways and so we just have to

01:06:38.480 treat it that way and i think our forefathers would have as well deus vault oh yeah definitely 0.89

01:06:43.420 amen yeah i you talk about like you know hating the west and it's you know why why not more you

01:06:50.920 know islamic terrorist attacks and these kind of i i kept thinking you know my head of just

01:06:55.820 picturing like uh the the matrix movie you know and like um what you know you can hate someone

01:07:02.420 but still not destroy them if you could use them for a greater purpose you know like you could

01:07:08.340 wipe out humanity or you could plug them to the matrix and drain them all like batteries

01:07:13.120 you know like why why destroy the west when um all america is at this point is a tax farm

01:07:18.660 I mean, we're a tax farm. We're not a country because you're not allowed to be. If you want

01:07:24.740 to be an actual place and actual people, like you say, blood and soil, and immediately you're

01:07:32.220 going to be deemed as a racist. I didn't even say what color the people were. Blood, as far as I

01:07:39.580 remember, it's always red, but just people and place, people and place. That is a nation. It's

01:07:43.920 not an economic zone. It's not an idea. It's not a, it's not a principle set of principles.

01:07:50.120 But these days it's, we're definitely not a nation in the, in the way that nations are

01:07:55.960 supposed to be people and place and borders and these kinds of things. We're certainly not that,

01:08:00.420 but we're not even America, even as an economic zone or as, as a set of principles, we're not

01:08:06.320 even that anymore. America is literally, it's, it's just, it's a tax farm. It's like the matrix.

01:08:11.160 It's a bunch of people plugged into Netflix or, or, you know, virtual Apple goggles or whatever, you know, or Superbowl, sports ball, you know, a Taylor Swifty, you know, and, and, and they just, and then they just farm our, farm us, our, our taxes. 0.69

01:08:27.680 And here's, here you go, Ukraine, here you go, Israel, here you go, this, here you go, that. 0.68

01:08:33.180 Not you, Texas, sorry.

01:08:34.820 Right, not you, Texas, not, you know, but, so why, why would you, my point is, it's not.

01:08:41.160 as far as i can see it's not compassion that is staying the hand of our enemies it's um

01:08:48.320 if anything it's just it's even greater malice it's it's they they hate us just as much as

01:08:54.380 as ever um but but why destroy people who um who you can enslave it's better to have slaves than

01:09:02.260 to have a graveyard and uh the only reason you want to enslave them is if it's too much work

01:09:06.640 right to keep them in line or if the slaves might revolt one day or you know pose the potential of

01:09:12.900 being a threat but what if you could find 330 million slaves that hate themselves and actually

01:09:19.600 feel like the most virtuous thing they can do is is sell their children's future and uh and give

01:09:25.640 all that billions of dollars to you right like you would never destroy those people because they've

01:09:31.780 already been destroyed yeah when you think about it it's like that's that's to the regime that's

01:09:36.560 the danger of something like you know a white boy summer type movement where it's like we're

01:09:42.680 actually proud of who we are uh we we love our heritage yeah there's sins of course there's sins

01:09:47.440 um but but it's just interesting christian nationalism kind of the same thing um you you

01:09:53.340 read steven wolf and you're like these are like old reformed ideas this isn't even new but in our

01:09:58.900 context it's absolutely anathema you're not allowed to talk about that um you're not allowed

01:10:04.420 to say things in such plain language.

01:10:07.700 And I think, you know,

01:10:09.080 for the encouragement of your ministry,

01:10:11.700 ours, what we're doing,

01:10:13.340 fundamentally,

01:10:14.280 you have to follow the tactic

01:10:17.620 that Alfred employed

01:10:19.440 and Jan Sobieski and others,

01:10:21.240 which is full pursuit.

01:10:22.560 When your enemy is on the run,

01:10:23.860 you have to finish the job.

01:10:25.900 And so I think for a lot of us,

01:10:27.320 it's just, look, platforms have grown.

01:10:29.220 God's been faithful.

01:10:30.280 He's been gracious.

01:10:31.540 We pray he would raise up

01:10:32.480 more and more judges

01:10:33.180 who are righteous men.

01:10:34.420 you know, Dusty Deavers, we need more of them.

01:10:36.740 We need thousands more of them, you know?

01:10:38.960 But at this moment, press the attack.

01:10:41.400 You have to keep going.

01:10:42.400 You cannot apologize.

01:10:44.120 You cannot compromise.

01:10:45.660 I think the days of that are over.

01:10:47.420 We saw where even with something like, you know,

01:10:49.300 complementarianism, a lot of well-meaning guys probably

01:10:51.940 were like, well, let's kind of soften this here

01:10:54.380 and maybe like take the edges off of that.

01:10:56.700 You're going to lose.

01:10:57.740 That is a losing strategy.

01:10:59.540 And what you have to do is you point your spears

01:11:02.500 at the enemy.

01:11:02.980 and this is the great Sobieski charge

01:11:05.800 he points his spears

01:11:07.620 directly at the Amir's camp

01:11:09.940 and he says

01:11:11.000 full speed ahead

01:11:12.100 we may die today

01:11:13.960 he's 54 years old

01:11:15.760 he's got his young son with him

01:11:17.220 we may die today 0.99

01:11:18.220 but we're going to die like men 1.00

01:11:19.640 and I think that's what we need 1.00

01:11:21.360 full send

01:11:22.840 alright well thank you guys

01:11:25.440 I appreciate it

01:11:32.980 Thank you.

The NXR Podcast - April 01, 2024

THE INTERVIEW - The Real Truth About The Crusades & Why It Matters with The Kings Hall

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