The NXR Podcast - THE INTERVIEW - Trump Assassination Attempt, VP Announcement, & Why Christians Should Vote In This Election

00:00:00.000 All right, welcome back to another episode of Theology Applied.

00:00:05.440 I am your host, Pastor Joel Webman with Right Response Ministries.

00:00:08.440 And in this episode, I'm going to be joined by a special guest.

00:00:13.060 And Andrew Isker is his name, author of The Boniface Option.

00:00:16.940 He's working on a new book.

00:00:18.020 We're doing a special recording project as we speak.

00:00:21.180 We're going to be talking today, though, about Donald Trump, the assassination attempt,

00:00:26.580 his pick, which we've just got the news, J.D. Vance, God bless. We'll talk about that and why

00:00:32.160 that's a positive thing. And we're also going to be talking a little bit theologically and

00:00:37.660 politically why we believe that Christians should vote for Trump and that you can do so nose

00:00:43.600 unplugged, sleep like a baby that night with a clear conscience that it's not a sin. And that

00:00:50.740 from a political and strategic standpoint, we believe not only that it's permissible,

00:00:55.500 but that in this case, according to our conscience, we believe that it's also wise,

00:01:00.960 not only permissible, but wise. So that's our episode. Tune in. We're going to have a great

00:01:05.840 time. Let's get started. Applying God's word to every aspect of life. This is Theology Applied.

00:01:13.580 isker my guy hey thank you for having me yeah thanks for being here it's great to be down here

00:01:27.760 hey the the funny thing about uh having you on the show is as the listeners know i'm a big fan

00:01:33.700 of nephilim i'm a big fan of giants and and for everybody who says everybody who you know where

00:01:40.640 i'm going everybody who says joel you're ridiculous your position on mermaids okay mermaids may not be

00:01:45.620 real but giants certainly are i'm sitting next to one right now i look tiny i feel like i'm looking 0.95

00:01:52.140 at the screen right now yeah it's the camera angles man it is not the camera i'm you are a

00:01:58.320 massive man i'm not calling you fat i'm just calling you in the comments probably i'm calling

00:02:02.820 you powerful okay you remember the uh the seinfeld episode where elaine is describing george

00:02:09.060 she's like oh so he's fat she's like no he's powerful he can lift 100 pounds over his head

00:02:16.700 yeah that's right yeah i can do more than that well welcome welcome to the show uh real quick

00:02:21.560 before we hop into the topic about trump the assassination attempt jd vance christians voting

00:02:27.060 uh real quick um tell us just give the listener a little a little taste uh preview of the project

00:02:35.160 we're working on right now yeah so the project and and the book yeah that that i'm working on

00:02:40.220 that should be out hopefully this fall which will be the same time so we're going to release this

00:02:45.100 coordinate as exactly this we're going to release this project q4 october november and december

00:02:51.120 10 part series every friday so it's going to be the the fourth season of the friday special

00:02:56.080 which should be around the same time the book is published yes go ahead and so the book is on

00:03:02.400 Israel, the Jews, the church, the people of God, the old covenant, the new covenant, and what all

00:03:08.740 of those things mean, right? So helping Christians to have a better understanding of who God's people

00:03:15.500 are in the new covenant. It's a pressing issue. It has been for a long time, but in particular,

00:03:21.900 after October 7th, after the attacks in Israel. And it's been brought to the forefront, and it's

00:03:29.720 something especially uh among you know young men in the church today they're beginning to have

00:03:35.000 different opinions about these things and they they need um they need pastors they need men that

00:03:41.000 care about them to talk about this stuff right honestly amen so so as we're live streaming right

00:03:47.120 now it's uh 4 p.m a little after central time and we've just completed uh recording uh the first

00:03:54.960 four episodes of the project and so far correct me if i'm wrong but to me it seems like kind of

00:04:00.280 the the layout that the roadmap is basically every episode is uh first third or half of the episode

00:04:07.600 is kind of like a deep exegetical dive yeah looking at romans matthew ephesians hebrews

00:04:16.660 those would be probably the four in galatians those five books and uh and making the argument

00:04:21.260 that the church is israel in every every true way yeah um christ is israel and those united to him

00:04:30.160 right israel and that the modern nation state of israel today is it is a legitimate country

00:04:36.020 yeah with a nation state for sure it's a nation state with and with validity um whether or not

00:04:42.380 it's original founding or whatever but i mean that's just the way nations work lots of nations

00:04:46.660 came about with you know ways that historically you would look back in hindsight say oh i don't

00:04:51.420 know if that was the best idea you know but but at a certain point there are degrees of separation

00:04:56.420 and providence kicks in the providence factor kicks in at a certain point where even if a king

00:05:01.960 comes into power for instance in a nefarious way in an illegitimate way right there's a certain

00:05:06.260 point where he is for all intents and purposes the king and like honor the emperor these bible

00:05:10.960 they would apply and so not none of uh neither of us are discounting uh today's modern nation

00:05:18.760 state of israel saying it's not a nation should be wiped off the map it's not real no we're not

00:05:22.680 saying that um but we do make an exegetical each episode we're making um we're starting by making

00:05:28.520 an exegetical case that uh that the the modern state of israel is not the israel of the old

00:05:34.320 covenant yeah uh neither by covenant yeah nor either um by by blood or anything else yeah like

00:05:42.580 we really think that that's apparently that's a controversial point yeah apparently it is that's

00:05:48.920 kind of why i i let you say it you're writing the book you're the guy writing the book so so that

00:05:54.640 that's that's what we're doing the first half of every episode and then the second half i think is

00:05:57.860 really helpful because what we're doing with that is then saying okay so why does it matter

00:06:01.340 yeah okay so you know like we're not just sitting here trying to be anti-semitic

00:06:06.460 which are the controversial for controversy yeah we're not just trying to be um

00:06:10.860 you know provocative for for no reason but no that like there are political applications

00:06:16.840 financial economic cultural yeah um it matters if we get this question wrong yes it messes a

00:06:24.700 lot of things up dispensationalism has not been helpful no for the for the new testament church

00:06:30.200 no and and it has had dire consequences not just right if ideas have consequences then certainly

00:06:36.120 ideas about god and his people have consequences like theology has consequences and uh whether the

00:06:42.320 consequences are billions of dollars in tax money you know or the consequences are uh setting the

00:06:48.380 stage potentially for world war three or whatever that might be yeah uh it needs to be talked about

00:06:53.880 And like you said, and you said it well, there's so many young men who are, they have no choice.

00:07:01.240 And it doesn't mean that they're not morally responsible, right?

00:07:04.980 There's a moral culpability, human agency.

00:07:07.240 We're all responsible for our sin, even if it is the sin of immaturity.

00:07:12.740 However, we're both, you and I are sympathetic to a lot of young men who have been disparaged for a very long time.

00:07:18.580 you white heterosexual you know uh racist yeah and so you and i both have a lot of sympathy and

00:07:27.800 here's the thing is a lot of young men they they go down the rabbit hole they start to notice you

00:07:33.940 know the the the noticing pattern yeah and and then what what happens is that they eventually

00:07:39.680 cross the aisle because they choose to you know they're like i can't help but believe my lying

00:07:44.560 eyes uh but then as soon as you cross the aisle on some of these issues and israel is one of them 0.65

00:07:49.480 uh then you know what there's no one on the right side of the aisle who really is uh like all all

00:07:58.080 the guys who have the maturity yeah uh sadly on this particular issue don't quite have the courage

00:08:05.100 or yeah yeah they're not willing to say the hard thing right so the moment you cross the aisle on

00:08:11.240 on the jew question uh you you are surrounded by a lot of peers but not a lot of fathers yeah

00:08:20.440 and surrounded by bad actors that some of them aren't really nefarious actors and so we're trying

00:08:25.800 to carve out a space and say you know what um your lying eyes are not lying and you can't believe

00:08:32.180 that you know that we're trying to carve out is a space that was once occupied by our you know

00:08:37.840 great grandfathers and and previous right it's just historic protestant christian doctrine right

00:08:44.320 it's and it's historic uh political beliefs right uh cultural beliefs right and so it isn't like

00:08:51.520 some insane crazy radical thing these are normal these are views that would be considered normal

00:08:57.040 150 years ago right right that's what we're trying to say we're trying to bring back

00:09:01.140 return to what was normal

00:09:03.380 150 years ago

00:09:04.520 not concoct

00:09:07.240 some new radical strategy

00:09:08.860 and so yeah it's going to be

00:09:10.680 a lot of fun

00:09:11.520 I think a lot of guys will really like it

00:09:14.160 some guys will be offended as always

00:09:16.220 people are always offended

00:09:18.220 that means nothing

00:09:19.640 the question is

00:09:20.720 is what I'm doing with my life and my ministry

00:09:24.180 at the end of the day is it offensive to God

00:09:26.600 let God be true

00:09:28.740 though every man were a liar

00:09:30.260 we want to please the lord is it a blessing to the to our people in the things that they need

00:09:34.900 right now right yeah and the things that we're saying really should not be controversial they

00:09:39.700 are but like just things like uh we're saying hey uh for instance uh judeo-christian not a good term

00:09:46.040 yeah it's not helpful you know whoa crazy like uh judeo-christian even further not only is it

00:09:52.480 not helpful but um it has been a bit of a psyop and and we need to clear that up theologically

00:09:57.620 and politically and what does that mean and and what is the consequences been and how should we

00:10:02.760 actually think so we're gonna give away the whole the whole series right now though we won't we won't

00:10:07.600 all right so let's go for it you you uh you were a guy so i didn't vote for trump in 2016 because i

00:10:14.960 was young and and naive we're the same age what are you talking about yeah well you were young

00:10:19.760 too i'm not saying i'm younger than you i'm just saying i was young in 2016 and so were you and

00:10:25.160 What I was going to do is sing your praises and say, you were young, and yet despite your youth, you made a better decision than me.

00:10:30.620 So I didn't vote for him.

00:10:31.700 I voted in 2020.

00:10:32.900 Lord knows I'm voting for him in 2024.

00:10:35.840 But you have been a Trump fan ever since he came down the escalator.

00:10:39.720 So you should start off.

00:10:41.700 Tell us about Trump.

00:10:44.380 I think we were talking off air a while ago about A.D. Robles, that he just has tremendous instincts.

00:10:55.160 things right and and at least on this issue i feel like i had good instincts on on on trump

00:11:02.660 and and on what he meant you know i was coming out of i was i was my i was young still too uh

00:11:09.440 way back 12 years ago i was just a kid i was 30 or 26 years old and i remember i was in my at the

00:11:17.480 tail end of my libertarian days this big ron paul guy and i i was able to identify the things that

00:11:22.180 were wrong with um the american political system and the american political landscape and and i

00:11:28.260 understood that there was a regime right that encompassed both the majority of both parties

00:11:32.900 um and a permanent government and all of these things these are a problem

00:11:37.640 and uh i remember the 2016 uh campaign and and seeing all the people that hated

00:11:47.160 the ideas i had right right all of the neocons for for example and all that like the mainstream

00:11:53.560 conservatives um they all hated trump too right and so that's where the instincts kind of kicked

00:11:59.400 in it's like well like if ron paul were younger and he was still running and he was actually

00:12:04.700 leading the republican race uh miraculously what kind of stuff would they be saying about him

00:12:10.300 right the same stuff they're saying about trump the same vitriol and rhetoric and everything else

00:12:14.980 and of course I knew that Trump wasn't like perfect at all uh that he didn't espouse all

00:12:20.940 the exact policies that I would have liked but his instincts on on many things were were very

00:12:27.960 very good and um and so I liked him from the get-go for that reason I mean it was it was very

00:12:35.300 entertaining to watch him oh yeah it was very entertaining and entertaining to watch him

00:12:40.040 demolish Jeb Bush, to watch him later go on to demolish Hillary Clinton and end the Bush and

00:12:47.900 Clinton crime families probably, hopefully forever, their political aspirations. And so,

00:12:54.000 yeah, I liked him then. His presidency, I didn't hold a ton of hope for his presidency,

00:12:59.600 mostly because I understood the system enough to realize that the president actually, when he's

00:13:06.240 not aligned with the permanent government with what we would call the deep state or the regime

00:13:10.700 he's not able to affect that much change and even within that he didn't go to war with them he

00:13:15.620 didn't do the things that i wish he would have done i wish he would have like fired everyone in

00:13:19.300 the fbi and the cia and everything like that he didn't he didn't do those things uh but definitely

00:13:23.800 she fired fauci yeah many many people i wish he would have fired uh but uh overall you know it was

00:13:30.280 a fairly good presidency. There weren't any new wars. He dialed back the wars that we had engaged

00:13:37.720 in. The kind of foreign policy that I was wanting, he delivered on these things. The Ukraine war was

00:13:44.800 delayed by four years. If Hillary Clinton had become president, she would have pushed Ukraine

00:13:50.500 to join NATO and forced Putin to invade the Donbass four years earlier. I think that's an

00:13:57.840 incontrovertible fact. I mean, we can't know alternative history as a fact, but as close to

00:14:04.340 certainly as we can, I think that's what would have happened. And so anyway, I knew that he was

00:14:11.580 going to be good. 2020, I didn't feel great about because, I mean, in the moment, you had COVID,

00:14:18.620 you had the lockdowns, you had BLM and rioting for the entire summer, and you had the issue of

00:14:25.200 mail-in balloting and and so forth and i i didn't feel great about it and and uh unlike in 2016 i

00:14:30.840 thought he was going to win i i felt very strongly that he was going to win the entire time

00:14:34.300 2020 i didn't feel great about it at all uh this time around uh especially that magic is back in

00:14:41.160 your hearts oh my goodness i mean it feel it it feels i almost want to say it feels because i

00:14:45.840 remember being online in 2016 being on twitter and seeing uh the meme magic the videos and and

00:14:52.660 the fun and the frivolity of all of that and that didn't exist in 2020 at all it was gone um and not

00:14:59.660 only is it back now but it's taken on a different level it's beyond i think what it was in 2016

00:15:05.760 um to see the images from saturday right to see those images of saturday of um this man get get

00:15:15.280 shot at uh to have and gets hit get get hit in the ear uh by an assassin's bullet uh get be taken

00:15:23.460 down by the secret service and then he gets back up and they're all huddled around him and he's

00:15:30.420 like wait wait wait and he looks at the crowd right to show them i'm still alive they didn't

00:15:36.520 get me and he starts pumping his but not just they didn't get me or about him but to to to urge

00:15:44.420 the crowd to to encourage them and say um don't hope don't be scared yeah give them fighting yeah

00:15:50.640 and because i mean you're in like you just watch bullets ring out across like you have thousands

00:15:54.600 of people in the panic and the chaos and everything and he stands up and he addresses the crowd and

00:15:59.880 he's like fight right fight fight like blood streaming down his face right that that image

00:16:06.900 right that's gonna like resonate oh dude that's historic with people for decades our kids will

00:16:12.440 learn about that yeah yeah yeah i showed my grandchildren when it happened and they're like

00:16:16.280 okay that's cool dad but i'm like when you get older you're gonna get with this it'll be in

00:16:19.640 history books yeah and it and so i still think it's gonna be tight i still think it's gonna be

00:16:24.980 tough um i i was you know i did a stream with uh cj engel and uh steven wolf and paul godfried

00:16:31.600 after the conference and no uh and there's people in the comments like it was staged oh well real

00:16:36.980 quick let's comment on that because i i and i appreciate it's helpful when uh the guy who just 0.72

00:16:41.400 said it was staged is wearing a mask so you know he's stupid so uh it's 2024 yeah you're wearing 0.96

00:16:48.280 a mask say that it was staged i'm i'm just like all right if that bullet had struck his cranium 1.00

00:16:53.340 donald trump would still have more brain matter than the people who are saying it's staged 0.99

00:16:56.860 yeah they're it's dumb yeah or the brain matter that would wear a mask in 2024 and have it in 0.94

00:17:03.400 his profile picture maybe he just hasn't we'll be we don't even have to address updated it yet i 0.92

00:17:07.760 don't know if the same person says i think this was staged yeah then maybe we should address it

00:17:12.320 but the next person who has a mask in the profile picture he's like i i'm just surprised that there's

00:17:17.600 not a ukrainian flag you know there is somewhere there probably is anyways go ahead at any rate

00:17:22.400 like you i mean you see you you see that happen you see that occur you see him get up and and

00:17:28.280 address the i mean imagine if something like that happened to joe biden right i think the secret

00:17:32.760 service jumping on him would have would have ended his life yeah he'd be done uh it's over

00:17:36.860 um and and but trump gets up right and is is pumping his fist and urging the crowd to fight

00:17:44.920 right to fight uh it's amazing right it's amazing and so um i i think um some of what has happened

00:17:53.580 in the past for the past eight years uh we talked in the the series already today about the post-war

00:17:59.200 consensus and how what it really means in one phrase is everybody i don't like is hitler and

00:18:05.020 so trump is called hitler for eight years and there's a a great deal of of social um yeah

00:18:12.640 people feeling like they can't publicly support trump or they're going to become social pariahs

00:18:17.960 a ton of social pressure on people where i can't publicly support trump i don't know i'm a little

00:18:22.420 scared i think all of that's gone now i think if people have voted for him like people would vote

00:18:29.500 for him but not talk about it wouldn't put his signs in their yard and everything now if you're

00:18:34.420 voting for trump now you're like this hardcore mega person no matter what because what happened

00:18:39.600 here like he he him being attacked right him being being shot at isn't because like he in himself is

00:18:48.240 this great threat to democracy and he's the next hitler right right it's that the regime fears the

00:18:54.920 american people right it fears the american people he represents right he doesn't they don't want

00:19:00.640 um whatever you think about what happened whether they you know security lapse oops um

00:19:06.600 they do not want the american people to be represented to have a voice and we haven't

00:19:13.160 had a voice for decades and finally we do and he's very popular like the biggest issue the single

00:19:19.760 biggest issue is immigration right americans saying you know we don't want to add tens of

00:19:25.100 millions more people particularly from the third world right we'd like to have our own country

00:19:29.180 please and no one else is saying that no i mean that's why he got popular in the first place right 0.65

00:19:33.940 is we gotta build the wall uh and and he's saying you know mexico is sending rapists and murderers

00:19:40.540 Right. And people freaked out about those things. But that's stuff that growing up in a working class community and neighborhood, everybody knew, everybody believed that that is what is happening. And finally, somebody says it. And so that's the big issue of the campaign is immigration, the border and foreign policy, this war that we were funding.

00:20:01.360 And he represents the people in America who have no voice, no representation in Congress.

00:20:06.740 They're not billionaires.

00:20:07.700 They're not millionaires that feed off of the system, that have been able to pull the levers of power.

00:20:13.320 They're regular people that nobody cares about.

00:20:16.220 And he is representing them. 0.82

00:20:17.900 And for him to be attacked and shot at is them being attacked and shot.

00:20:23.520 And one of them literally was.

00:20:25.840 Right.

00:20:26.140 And killed. 0.89

00:20:27.600 Yeah.

00:20:28.240 Yeah.

00:20:28.360 And may God comfort his family and bless them.

00:20:34.120 I mean, he died.

00:20:35.580 You shoot into a crowd at a Biden rally, which a crowd at a Biden rally is 15, 16 people.

00:20:42.580 It's pretty sparse.

00:20:43.680 Yeah. 0.96

00:20:43.960 But, I mean, you shoot into a crowd at like an AOC rally, and you're probably going to hit a pedophile. 0.87

00:20:51.240 Yeah. 0.90

00:20:52.420 Statistically speaking.

00:20:53.540 Yeah.

00:20:53.880 I mean, you look at Kyle Rittenhouse, that's what happened.

00:20:55.900 That's the John Doyle tweet, right?

00:20:57.200 And he's right.

00:20:58.360 randomly shoots in a BLM rally 0.94

00:21:00.980 and he hits sex offenders. 0.98

00:21:02.500 He hits sex offenders, 0.97

00:21:03.460 but you shoot into a crowd at a Trump rally 0.97

00:21:06.100 and you hit a husband and a father

00:21:08.380 and what's he doing?

00:21:09.420 He's shielding his daughters with his body.

00:21:12.160 Yeah. 1.00

00:21:13.440 Much in contrast to the female service... 1.00

00:21:17.860 Secret service agencies. 1.00

00:21:19.620 Hiding behind Trump.

00:21:20.920 Who are hiding behind Trump, not shielding.

00:21:22.920 And for the record,

00:21:24.640 i i don't um i have no animosity towards those women they should they shouldn't be of course

00:21:31.060 they're hiding behind trump yeah they're women yeah they shouldn't women are supposed to hide

00:21:34.520 behind men when bullets are flying yeah but i absolutely have hatred not towards those women 0.95

00:21:39.980 but hatred towards um a system and an ideology and the regime that would put those women in that 0.68

00:21:48.060 place all the while lying to them saying that this is somehow female power yeah i hate yeah 1.00

00:21:53.840 Oh, I hate feminism.

00:21:55.080 Yeah, the man who passed away, I mean, he was a fire chief. 0.69

00:21:59.860 Right.

00:21:59.980 He was a good man and died a hero's death, right?

00:22:06.860 And he should be celebrated, absolutely.

00:22:08.320 I bet you Trump will probably, like, speak at his funeral or something.

00:22:11.720 I wouldn't be surprised.

00:22:12.420 If it's secure and he's able to get security, I think he will.

00:22:15.780 Yeah.

00:22:16.000 And I hope he does.

00:22:16.960 Yeah, I hope he does, too.

00:22:17.900 And, yeah, I mean, this event, I think, has, you know, the Democrats and Biden and all these people are,

00:22:26.880 oh, we need to have unity, unity, unity.

00:22:30.420 You know who says that?

00:22:31.880 Yeah.

00:22:32.160 You know who says that?

00:22:34.960 The side that's about to lose.

00:22:37.020 Mm-hmm.

00:22:37.860 The one that wants to, so whenever you have two armies, because that's what politics is.

00:22:41.860 It's warfare without the bullets, except, you know, on Saturday, there were bullets.

00:22:44.900 Now it's become real warfare.

00:22:45.440 But that's because you have the left, which always is violent.

00:22:48.400 But the point is, politics is supposed to be warfare without the war, without the bullets.

00:22:55.060 And so in a battle, in a war, if you have two militaries, the one that's about to lose is the one that calls for treaties.

00:23:01.980 Yeah, for peace.

00:23:02.940 For peace.

00:23:04.320 And so all the cries for unity are actually their concession statements.

00:23:10.020 They're done.

00:23:11.300 They're done.

00:23:11.800 I mean, and it's so sick because for years now, they have been calling him.

00:23:18.280 I mean, I watched because I'm a glutton for punishment.

00:23:21.960 I watched Joe Biden's State of the Union address this year.

00:23:25.300 And for the first 10 or 15 minutes, he's talking about how our country is under this great threat.

00:23:30.380 We haven't been under a threat like this since World War Two when we were fighting Hitler.

00:23:33.900 That Trump will be the end of democracy.

00:23:35.960 Yeah, that's Trump.

00:23:36.600 He's literally invoking Hitler to talk about Trump and the great threat that he is. 0.91

00:23:41.800 and and and and has been calling him that if you do that then of course some some lgbt some crazy 0.94

00:23:48.820 person crazy person is yeah because that's the logical conclusion if this guy is hitler yeah 0.80

00:23:54.460 then um then you don't call for unity and peace yeah you like what this young man did the shooter

00:24:01.980 what he did um actually if if trump really was hitler and reincarnate then uh that's the same

00:24:10.720 thing that bonhoeffer tried to do yeah you know like that is actually not only is it um

00:24:16.240 an understandable reaction you could even make an argument for it being the christian reaction

00:24:21.040 that's what eric metaxas uh says you know anyway but uh but i well i mean just thinking about that

00:24:27.580 we just say that to say that the regime the left politicians this is justifiable violence

00:24:32.040 and the left media yeah the media and those politicians um the full weight of the responsibility

00:24:40.240 should be uh put at their feet and honestly there should be lawsuits yeah um and for those who are

00:24:46.940 saying that it's staged because it's not just that trump got an ear grazed yeah but somebody

00:24:53.340 actually died yeah and so the same the same uh the same weight of billion dollar lawsuits like

00:24:59.860 like alex jones like alex jones um then uh all these social media uh guys who are saying this

00:25:06.800 is fake um for the sake of this man who died for his family we uh there need to be lawsuits that

00:25:15.040 are levied against all these guys with platforms like alex jones but on the left yeah um they

00:25:21.540 should be sued into the yeah that one streamer destiny is yeah oh destiny should be sued into

00:25:26.520 the dust yeah yeah absolutely take the alex jones president yeah and and wield it yes wield power

00:25:33.220 right that's the only way that that thing is going to stop well see and that's a bit that's

00:25:37.100 the right's problem and that's why we like trump but because he's not like this but the right has

00:25:41.020 you know just historically and insufferably again and again and again ad nauseum it's like well

00:25:46.600 could you imagine if uh if the roles were reversed you know like if we do this meme if we do this

00:25:52.640 then when the left gets power they'll do it to us no no they've been doing it brother in christ

00:25:57.180 my dear brother in christ uh they're already doing it yeah they're already doing it so uh the name

00:26:02.600 of the goal yeah the name of the game is not uh to somehow take the ring to mordor and throw it

00:26:09.440 into the fire that's a bad analogy tolkien we love him lord of the rings is great but that analogy is

00:26:14.720 not helpful for our current discourse politically not applicable the ring will exist yeah it's not

00:26:21.300 whether but which you're still operating underneath uh the the idea that there there doesn't have to

00:26:26.300 be a ring no no the civil magistrate is a god ordained instrument to wield power there's a ring

00:26:33.580 but there's no mount doom exactly so there will always be a ring there will always be civil power

00:26:38.480 yeah so then the question is not finding ways to destroy the ring or hide the ring or whatever to

00:26:44.400 make sure that the ring is never used no in this case boromir is right it is a gift

00:26:49.300 so it must be used it has to be it has to be but because it's god's god god wills it yeah

00:26:57.260 that's right yeah i i look at this i mean it is did you see like this uh kid that that shot

00:27:04.700 trump um it's crazy he's the only 20 year old in all of america that has absolutely zero social

00:27:14.220 media presence whatsoever actually there's only one social media platform that he that they've

00:27:20.020 been able to find that he used you know what it is what i'm gonna take a guess right one don't say 0.94

00:27:25.300 gab no no no no no no no twitch the 180 degrees opposite of gab no even worse all right gayest 0.83

00:27:35.140 social media platform known to man that's not gay uh i guess there's gay stuff on there i guess 0.59

00:27:41.320 has nancy pelosi started a platform i don't i hope not i don't know what is it tell me only fans

00:27:46.860 oh that dude has an only fans no no he he he was a producer he was a consumer okay my goodness

00:27:54.680 yeah and that's his that's his own both are horrible but i was like i i honestly i was like

00:27:59.860 if he was if he was a creator he has discord i was gonna go oh my goodness yeah one of the guys

00:28:04.860 in the chat saying he has a discord maybe maybe he does but the only one so far but by the time

00:28:09.320 we started watching it uh is the only thing they found is he's given 1500 bucks to some only fans

00:28:16.780 girl uh and like that's it that's all he had so here he's registered as a republican but has given

00:28:23.220 money to act blue and there's all it's it's mysterious and weird i think it's just a weird

00:28:28.300 kid yeah right that got riled up by the media right and i mean it's it's obviously fertile

00:28:34.480 ground for every conspiracy theory there is um whenever you have a lone wolf uh but i mean it's

00:28:41.420 weird it is strange to me right if we are going to put the tinfoil hats on for a moment right it is

00:28:47.440 it's it's wild to me that trump has held hundreds hundreds of rallies right over the last eight

00:28:55.580 years he's been called hitler and a threat to democracy and we got to stop him right he had

00:29:00.000 one guy that rushed the stage back in like 2016 or 17 um and that's it that's the only thing that's

00:29:07.620 happened of course maybe there's things we don't know about they probably wouldn't publicize if

00:29:11.020 they caught people with guns or things like that but as far as we know the very first time in

00:29:15.940 hundreds or maybe a thousand public events that trump has done where a guy shows up with a gun

00:29:20.860 the very first one he just randomly happens to find a vantage point an elevated vantage point

00:29:28.860 that's totally unguarded and he's able to climb up there and get to there and be able to get take a

00:29:35.180 shot at trump right what are the odds right and just for the record for the listener so what what

00:29:41.260 andrew is is espousing right now um isker and i are are both perfectly comfortable

00:29:48.200 more than comfortable with the idea of um of there being foul play yeah when we were you know

00:29:55.060 knocking on you know the guy saying it's staged what we're saying is um i think that uh

00:30:01.280 i think your tinfoil hat is a little too tight if you think it was staged in the sense that

00:30:06.920 trump to like help trump orchestrated it yeah you know to help himself um then then i think

00:30:13.120 it's like um you know come back down to earth uh but if you're saying no i mean stage in the sense

00:30:19.200 that like uh trump has been doing these massive rallies for almost 10 years and and this building

00:30:27.380 is just vacant and left open and people are literally pointing at him there's a crowd of

00:30:31.680 people yelling to the police there's a guy up there there's a guy up there so if you're if you're

00:30:36.320 saying that um is is fishy well we're with you 100 yeah but that but that's not trump staging

00:30:43.020 something for his benefit if anything that's our enemies staging something that because they

00:30:48.860 actually wanted it to work yeah i really wanted him dead and and incompetence is this fertile

00:30:54.800 ground that you can operate in right if the if the secret service was known to be highly competent

00:31:01.280 like it apparently used to be um then right it would be much harder to make that case but if

00:31:07.420 you could say oh well we just goofed oops i didn't on that note with the secret service

00:31:11.880 aside from the dei hires and feminism and all that um didn't joe biden just pass or attempt

00:31:18.560 to pass legislation where former presidents

00:31:20.800 would be minimized

00:31:22.520 in the Secret Service attendance?

00:31:24.100 I don't know about the Biden administration,

00:31:26.400 but I know that there were like nine

00:31:28.220 Democratic congressmen that put forward a bill

00:31:30.360 to strip Trump

00:31:32.120 of Secret Service protection.

00:31:35.220 Right? Which, I mean, what are they

00:31:36.380 saying with that? They're saying,

00:31:37.880 we want you to be assassinated. 1.00

00:31:40.140 We want you to die. 1.00

00:31:40.980 They should be forced to resign. 1.00

00:31:43.420 They should be kicked out of Congress for that.

00:31:45.860 After this.

00:31:46.480 and um and and on top of it it's just it's odd it's very strange and and sometimes there are

00:31:53.660 coincidences yeah right sometimes there are sometimes you pile up enough coincidences

00:31:58.120 right and they're that within the event saturday there are all there there are multiple coincidences

00:32:04.020 that pile up and you keep piling them up right no longer are they coincidences right right that's

00:32:09.460 that's i mean we're never going to know probably right what happened here right the fbi apparently

00:32:14.960 got his cell phone and said well you know sorry we can't we can't hack into it there's no way of

00:32:19.340 us for just like the public has never been told what happened with jfk yeah yeah but if we get

00:32:25.540 trump maybe we'll hear you know maybe we'll find out now maybe he'll release it maybe we'll now

00:32:29.500 especially after that yeah you know the on the heels of the assassination attempt i think this

00:32:34.300 is why he even before it they were saying he was going to make an announcement monday or tuesday

00:32:38.640 or something like that.

00:32:40.820 But apparently, he has selected his vice president.

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00:34:59.520 to claim your first free bag of coffee today all right here we are so we're going to get to jd vance

00:35:07.480 and we're going to get to you know the vice uh vice president pick and all that kind of stuff

00:35:11.080 but we are both going to be speaking at this conference so we just rolled the ad for the

00:35:15.040 conference a lot of good looking guys in that conference a lot of great looking guys yeah and

00:35:18.920 And then you're also in it, too.

00:35:23.220 So Christ is King is the name of the conference.

00:35:27.960 And then the subtitle actually came from you.

00:35:30.540 It's from your book.

00:35:31.380 It's How to Defeat Trash World.

00:35:33.040 So we wanted to get practical and talk about, yeah, how do we win?

00:35:37.100 It'd be nice to win.

00:35:38.740 And a little bit different.

00:35:40.280 So some of the guys who came to our last conference, I'm not talking about the speakers, but I'm talking about just the attendees.

00:35:46.740 you know that conference was blueprints for christendom 2.0 so also trying to be practical

00:35:52.180 and the subtitle was seven doctrines for ruling the world so so similar um but it was very

00:35:58.240 particular on the doctrinal side this is going to be a little bit different in the sense that

00:36:02.420 there'll be plenty of theology plenty of scripture plenty of doctrine but we're also going to um to

00:36:07.000 address multiple different categories yeah all of christ for all of life and we're going to talk

00:36:11.440 about uh uh practical cultural and especially political categories so i've invited you i've

00:36:17.320 invited stephen wolf um i i invited my point is with the seven doctrines for ruling the world

00:36:22.820 it was a lot of doctrines that you and i we would actually be on the same page absolutely

00:36:27.140 you know and so things like post-millennialism or like a general equity theonomy and you and i

00:36:32.880 both have a growing appreciation you know for the classical two kingdom and protestant you know

00:36:37.980 magistrate we're like oh i see i kind of get it okay you guys actually you're not so bad it's

00:36:42.900 pretty good you know so like we're you know we're warming up to it um but at the end of the day we

00:36:47.200 would both say well but it's still confessional 1689 of westminster general equity theonomy and

00:36:51.580 this is what we mean by it let us define and blah blah blah so anyways it was seven doctrines for

00:36:56.080 ruling the world and you had those you had you know theonomy you had post mill you had um those

00:37:00.660 kinds of things and um and and and then with this though uh part of the reason why i kind of brought

00:37:06.220 it in the title was because i wanted to invite uh this was kind of the common denominator for

00:37:10.780 last conference it was like who are guys who hold these seven doctrines this conference it's um

00:37:15.460 the only the only uh qualification was uh who are guys who are fighters so like steve days yeah i

00:37:23.500 have doctrinal differences yeah uh but you know what i like about steve days he's a fighter he

00:37:27.420 likes to fight steve days was banging the desantis drum for a year yeah at moments i was like days

00:37:33.280 please it's enough it's enough you know whatever he's paying you i'll double it just stop you know

00:37:38.320 but here's the point um i think you believed in him yeah he did of course and and and desantis

00:37:44.660 has some great character he does yeah i get it i get it and i respect uh steve days immensely if

00:37:50.720 i didn't i wouldn't invite him to speak at the conference yeah but here's one of the things i

00:37:53.460 want because i want to sing his praises that was a little joke i had to jab a little bit but but

00:37:58.020 here's the deal as soon as uh the primaries were done because that's the christian's moment to say

00:38:02.880 well wait a second deuteronomy 18 wait a second god has a standard right and i get those arguments

00:38:08.880 i am a general equity theonomist most of my friends are theonomy guys i'm getting the text

00:38:13.160 yeah right i'm getting the phone calls yeah right i'm getting the but god has a standard and it

00:38:17.440 doesn't matter if trump was almost assassinated that doesn't change it and it's like brothers

00:38:21.220 and these are these are not just brothers they're friends they're precious guys yeah and i don't

00:38:25.260 mean precious like i mean they're like i mean they're very precious no no i mean they're wonderful

00:38:31.480 guys they're wonderful guys and uh but here's the deal uh you and i would be of the conviction that

00:38:36.940 um if you're a civil magistrate a christian civil magistrate like dusty deavers god bless

00:38:41.760 them forever we need a thousand dusty deavers dusty deavers is presenting a law yeah on behalf

00:38:47.560 of the unborn uh you know what that law needs to be a just law it can't say hey you know what you 0.63

00:38:52.360 can murder on wednesday but not on thursday no no no no no it's got to be a just law absolute

00:38:58.260 abolition of abortion uh equal protections uh no uh second victim narrative yeah and dusty deavers

00:39:05.820 is doing that phenomenally god bless him a million times he's a he's not just a brother he's a friend

00:39:11.400 yeah and honestly out of all the abolitionists honestly uh he's been especially i think conducted

00:39:18.200 himself especially respectful yeah towards the differences on voting for trump because because

00:39:22.740 it is it's controversial there's disagreements there are disagreements yeah so anyway so dusty

00:39:26.800 be presenting a bill it needs to be a just bill um primarying a candidate especially in a local

00:39:32.160 election yeah needs to be um a candidate that meets god's standard and i understand the theonomous

00:39:37.040 position yeah and uh it is not uh he must here's the theonomous position it's fair that it's not

00:39:43.100 these guys are not saying he must be regenerate they're not even saying he has to be a christian

00:39:47.060 deuteronomy 18 just he has to hate bribes yeah he has to not kill babies yeah he has to fear you

00:39:53.720 know have just a general natural fear of god these kinds of things and and you know and love justice

00:39:59.060 um that that's it so it actually is a low bar it's not just overly idealistic pie in the sky

00:40:04.700 kind of deal um however here's where you and i would differ and we would do this as general

00:40:09.660 equity theonomists we would say um the general equity of deuteronomy 18 is applied yeah in the

00:40:15.320 primary it's a um so just bills also just candidates to to primary christians abolitionist

00:40:22.740 which i think every christian should be an abolitionist you take the best candidate you

00:40:27.980 have not better than that you take a candidate that actually meets god's standard yeah that

00:40:33.840 actually meets god's standard and you get behind them with everything you got like the abolitionist

00:40:38.600 did with dusty deavers and it worked god bless him great work yeah um however we are talking about

00:40:43.620 not a local election but a federal election yeah not uh not a minor uh uh office but presidential

00:40:50.620 and not a primary but a general yeah um and what you and i are saying and all this back to you know

00:40:57.420 steve dace for a moment uh steve dace was banging the desantis drum but here's the deal some guys

00:41:03.320 they hitched their wagon to desantis and now they're never trumpers and they they lose and

00:41:07.980 they're extremely bitter and they're just mad yeah you know what desantis did uh he he immediately

00:41:12.620 when it was done he was like okay we're voting for trump yeah and then when this thing happened

00:41:16.500 on saturday the attempted assassination i watched him on twitter yeah and he was like that's it i

00:41:20.760 can't i was gonna wait till monday can't wait till monday he went out in his front yard and put the

00:41:24.280 trump sign in yeah and took a picture of it that yeah is why steve dace is going to speak at our

00:41:28.680 conference he's a fighter he's a fighter he might be a little dispensationalist there are guys way

00:41:34.020 more just me than him yeah but my point is after we hang out i did yeah maybe we can maybe we can

00:41:38.460 we can we can change him um but the point is this last conference seven doctrines for ruling the

00:41:44.020 world it was doctrinal heavy and it was good that you need that this one though is going to be um

00:41:49.200 very political very practical yeah i'm going to have guys who are all orthodox christians

00:41:54.400 yeah and all protestant christians um but some different secondary doctrines but they're all

00:42:00.700 fighters yeah and i think it's going to be a banger of a conference and we got 15 dudes coming

00:42:05.240 i am really looking forward to it uh even if i weren't speaking i'd want to be there

00:42:10.480 to beat these guys that's encouraging and and so yeah it's going to be a great uh great time

00:42:16.640 and and the things that we're going to talk about i i can't wait dude we're going to have

00:42:22.500 orn mcintyre i know that's baller yeah he's awesome man he so and for those who are wondering

00:42:27.980 well what what is his you know i understand that you're going to have him speaking politically

00:42:31.720 and practically these guys but you know i'm just curious what is his you know what's his

00:42:35.720 denomination or his theological you know disposition um or mcintyre is a baptist yeah

00:42:41.900 he's like he's just a southern baptist protestant evangelical yeah who loves the lord goes to church

00:42:47.840 every sunday he's he's not just a political commentator he is a dang good political commentator

00:42:52.860 very good very perceptive oh my gosh he's insightful yeah but here's the deal he also

00:42:58.240 is a jesus loving born again christian protestant christian yeah and so all the guys here are just

00:43:03.560 for the record to be clear they're all protestant christians yeah but the main focus will not be

00:43:09.260 justification by faith alone yeah that that is the heart of the gospel it's paramount we love it

00:43:15.860 um but instead of my 47th sermon that year on justification i'm gonna settle for 46 yeah that's

00:43:23.200 right i'll do 46 instead of 47 and we're gonna do a conference about uh some really practical

00:43:29.120 political things and and i think you should be there so all right jd vance yeah i mean you brought

00:43:34.480 the wailing wall we hate it you hate to see it yeah i know but let's talk about it i mean i think

00:43:41.520 about it the same way as trump right um you know there is i want to be a realist politically right

00:43:50.340 i i certainly have my my ideology my principles the things i believe um and i know that there's

00:43:57.960 a price to play poker in american politics right i don't like it i don't like that he has to kowtow

00:44:06.100 um to the the wall and put on the tiny hat right um but to get elected to federal office that's i

00:44:13.000 mean ran paul did it i mean there's very i think thomas massey might be the only guy that hasn't

00:44:18.060 done it yeah and and it's sad it grieves me i hate it um but i also there's this thing about

00:44:25.940 politics um i want to win right i want to win i i would rather win and not get every single thing

00:44:37.000 that i want even very important things i don't want them touching the wall um i want to win

00:44:42.900 i want to win so that we can one day not have guys like jd vance and donald trump

00:44:51.100 go to the precious wall right i'll use precious that right there right there let me pause you

00:44:55.720 i think i agree with you 100 but to play the devil's advocate to steal man our brothers these

00:45:01.600 are not our enemies our brothers and friends who disagree with us they would say this they would

00:45:06.100 say we also want to win and so what you just said is i want to win today so that one day we can have

00:45:11.660 better yeah uh they would say um we want to lose today so that one day we can have better

00:45:18.720 where or not we want to be fair they would say we're willing to lose today yeah to have better

00:45:23.740 tomorrow that's a fair you're saying no but we must win you're saying we must win today to have

00:45:28.720 better tomorrow yeah they're saying uh we need to be willing to lose today to have better tomorrow

00:45:33.660 otherwise what you're going to get is just the two parties going to keep getting diluted two parties

00:45:37.560 eternally inevitably uh both going left yeah and you just splitting the difference because you're 0.94

00:45:43.200 what you're ultimately messaging to the gop is that we're okay making concessions you can kill

00:45:47.720 babies and still have my vote and that the only message yeah is is ultimately uh the withholding

00:45:53.240 Yeah, I think that is a bad perspective for a couple of reasons.

00:45:59.740 Number one, the stakes of this election and for many elections, but now it's finally on the table, is the issue of immigration.

00:46:11.100 You can change all sorts of laws in a country and it will affect their culture and affect their way of life.

00:46:16.220 If you change the people, you can never put Humpty Dumpty back together again.

00:46:22.200 right you change the people you bring in 10 20 30 40 50 million people that are not americans 0.86

00:46:28.680 right that are not going to adopt our ways of life they're going to bring their way of life

00:46:33.920 they're not american they're not christian and they vote democrat yeah they they're going to

00:46:38.700 come to be on the dole to be voters for the democratic party but owen strand told me that

00:46:45.700 that they're all, not all, let's be fair.

00:46:50.780 He said that the majority of Indians from India

00:46:55.240 who immigrate to the United States are conservatives.

00:47:02.020 Are you aware of that?

00:47:03.500 I looked into the study a little bit,

00:47:05.140 and some of my friends looked into it also on my behalf.

00:47:07.920 They said that it was by every objective metric

00:47:12.400 of what you know actually qualifies as a you know legitimate research yeah well not conservative but

00:47:18.380 just a legitimate study yeah this study was a joke yeah but then secondly here's the deal

00:47:23.320 what i would say to owen is i would say um number one your study is a joke but secondly uh just you

00:47:30.640 know just for kicks and giggles let's humor it for a moment um even if the majority of you know

00:47:36.500 immigrants from india are conservative in terms of certain values like life

00:47:41.140 or traditional marriage what we're talking about is voting and here's the thing about immigrants

00:47:47.900 first generation immigrants usually not all of them we're not talking about everybody they're

00:47:53.360 cuban immigrants that may be a little bit different but on the whole in terms of majority

00:47:58.860 they may have some conservative values but they will vote by and large for whatever party will 1.00

00:48:06.120 let in their friends and family yeah yeah and on top of that right say i mean it's yeah fallacious 0.95

00:48:12.240 i don't believe it um but say that it were true right they are bringing with them india right

00:48:22.000 they're making america into india they're not becoming americans right and if it were millions 0.51

00:48:28.960 of russians right and they're white right i wouldn't want them here right because they would 0.87

00:48:35.380 be bringing russia here even and even if they would vote for the things that i want right even 0.96

00:48:39.460 if it was politically advantageous to me to bring them they're not americans or they're going to

00:48:44.840 turn america into russia right right i want america to be preserved as a country as a people

00:48:49.960 i want the things that my grandparents and my great-grandparents gave me to be preserved right

00:48:56.120 um and so no like i think it's the entire issue of immigration is such a massive one it's one we

00:49:02.860 don't have very good, strong

00:49:05.020 biblical thinking about.

00:49:06.880 You talk about it and people will call you racist

00:49:09.080 all the time.

00:49:10.900 And you just have to step over those

00:49:13.020 things. You just have to not care what

00:49:14.860 guys like Owen Strayen say.

00:49:16.840 It is the fundamental issue

00:49:19.040 and I've said this before.

00:49:22.220 If 0.95

00:49:22.740 we want to end abortion in America 0.90

00:49:25.100 it's not going

00:49:26.960 to happen if we no longer have

00:49:28.700 America. You import 0.99

00:49:30.920 50 million people from central america and sub-saharan africa and wherever else 1.00

00:49:35.240 right they they are going to be turned into this homogenous you know undifferentiated mass of

00:49:43.200 humanity that will pursue the priorities of the regime right that is what like why does the regime

00:49:48.800 want them here before that reason right for that they'll vote for the they'll they'll print ballots

00:49:54.220 because they're here whether they're legal or not and fill the ballots out and get votes from them

00:49:58.600 and they will have an army of people that will support them no matter what right against the

00:50:04.260 interests of american people that are here right and and so that cannot continue on anymore and i

00:50:10.480 want to abolish abortion yeah and it seems like a poor strategy to help the chances of a guy who

00:50:18.380 will ensure that there are 10 to 20 million more pro-abortion voters well not only that but but who

00:50:23.860 has stated that his main priority if he gets re-elected and he gets a democratic congress

00:50:30.400 is to make roe versus wade the law of the land and they can say oh well maybe the supreme court

00:50:36.980 well what what else has he said he's going to do he's going to pack the u.s supreme court right

00:50:40.780 and and so the the idea that by withholding our vote the idea the idea america's idea

00:50:48.280 the idea though that we are going to withhold our vote and that's going to make the GOP stronger

00:50:54.580 and better and they're going to fight harder for us i think maybe that makes sense if the if

00:51:01.280 50 million people in america are ardently pro-life like we are and we say we're just going to stay

00:51:09.960 home and we'll let them lose and they'll learn their lesson next time not to mess with us

00:51:13.140 when the reality is there's maybe 1 million,

00:51:16.920 if I'm being extremely generous,

00:51:18.900 that think the way we do.

00:51:20.480 The majority of people who consider themselves pro-life

00:51:22.460 are like, well, at some point it becomes a baby 0.69

00:51:25.800 and then it's bad to kill it, right?

00:51:28.400 That's typically what people think 0.97

00:51:29.760 when they think pro-life.

00:51:30.640 They think, well, then there's a heartbeat,

00:51:31.740 I guess that's a baby and that's bad, right?

00:51:34.000 Christians who are consistent,

00:51:35.060 who say life begins at conception 0.90

00:51:36.320 and it's a murder any point after that,

00:51:39.220 that's a much smaller number than we realize, right?

00:51:41.800 I think we have to admit reality when it's staring at us in the face and that – and politics is the question of what is possible, right?

00:51:52.620 You can have all the ideals you want and if you're never able to realize them in any practical way, they don't actually matter that much.

00:52:03.400 I mean it's this constant struggle between the ideal and what you're able to make happen in reality.

00:52:08.880 and i i want to navigate that strategy where we win and i mean looking at the trump presidency

00:52:16.920 like i never i never thought that this oh this guy definitely he had this pro-life conversion

00:52:21.920 and he's totally pro-life now and now i'm gonna believe you had people like that that that would

00:52:25.940 just buy into the into the trump mythos they're like oh trump is the god emperor he's gonna make

00:52:31.340 everything right and he is so pro-life he's so wonderful i never bought into that i looked at

00:52:35.920 it's a transactional thing he he has this voting block that says right we want roe versus wade

00:52:41.860 ended we want supreme court justices that will end roe versus wade and what did he do he said

00:52:47.540 all right this voting block voted for me on that basis i'm going to deliver that thing for them

00:52:52.680 and in the same way right he has said right he he is um he is um our our president who's going to

00:53:03.760 defend us and protect us and protect us from joe biden reversing everything that he did right that

00:53:09.560 that is like priority number one on this issue like what what actually are we going to be able

00:53:13.680 to accomplish because i mean after ohio all right after the ohio referendum it became very clear to

00:53:19.760 me right my my illusion you know this this illusion i had in my mind that america actually

00:53:24.900 secretly is very very pro-life it's not true right our country loves abortion right right we have a

00:53:30.200 where ohio is one of the most conservative like socially conservative states in the country

00:53:34.140 and we couldn't pass a ban on abortion there right if we if we can't do it there or or i think

00:53:41.420 montana tried one too and it failed right if we can't do into places like that the idea that we

00:53:45.800 should make we should demand that a presidential candidate hold to a view that he knows is 0.97

00:53:51.700 extremely unpopular and he's going to lose right that that's very stupid politics right it's it's 0.99

00:53:57.600 very foolish right well we'll just keep we're righteous though but we're going to keep losing 0.99

00:54:00.960 uh because there are other issues that take a priority over abortion i actually actually think 0.97

00:54:07.040 that i think the fact of having tens of millions of people invading our country and not stopping

00:54:13.240 where they are are raping young women and being let out let loose out of prison to do this even

00:54:20.900 though they've been caught raping them killing them right that affects my children right the 0.81

00:54:25.300 fact that i won't have a country anymore to hand my children to you know hand to my children that

00:54:30.500 that affects my family the duties i have to my family more than if if wicked people my enemies

00:54:36.900 are murdering their offspring so you're telling me that you i don't i want it to end you're saying

00:54:41.620 that you love your born children more than the unborn children of your enemies i do and i think

00:54:48.300 it's terrible for a country to allow this barbaric horrific yes practice even our enemies by law

00:54:54.520 should not be permitted to murder their children yeah yeah and to do that we have to have power

00:54:59.100 we have to have power and yet in the meantime um i love my children my born children more than i

00:55:06.760 love the unborn children of my enemies yeah and um that sounds like a callous hard thing to say

00:55:13.060 but it's true yes and i think it's um it's biblically true yeah i think i not just it's

00:55:18.520 true of my personal heart and because i'm that kind of a guy or whatever you know this is just

00:55:23.240 my vibe my style no um i love my children my born children more than the unborn children of my

00:55:29.720 enemies because i believe that i'm commanded by god yeah by god so you know if we're talking about

00:55:35.340 standards i think there is a standard that applies to me as a husband and a father to do everything

00:55:41.080 within my power to protect my family i live in a border state texas has a full-fledged invasion

00:55:50.000 of military aged men who hate our country yeah and hate families like mine yeah white traditional

00:55:58.640 conservative families yeah and i have i believe that my my god-given duties as a man as a provider

00:56:06.560 and a protector it involves making sure that i have a gun yeah um it involves making sure that

00:56:12.400 i have a good security system yeah that i have a plan that i have this that i have that and it also

00:56:17.640 i think uh involves that uh that i don't do things with my vote that allows 20 million more

00:56:26.040 yeah people who hate our country yeah and hate us and hate us i mean just think the idea of having

00:56:33.580 an open border right if you are you don't have a country if you don't have borders you don't have

00:56:37.700 a country and if you're a tin pot dictator in guatemala honduras or a third world country

00:56:41.980 anywhere and you're paying a lot of money you're a poor country and you got to pay for mental 0.99

00:56:46.060 hospitals and prisons right you just open them up and you say all right if we catch you we'll kill 0.95

00:56:51.000 you but just go to america right you're out of our hair right that's that's historically what has

00:56:55.760 what happens right so it's not we're not oh we're not getting guys to come here to do work right

00:57:01.400 we're getting criminals right coming here right it's it's insanity yeah that we that we for second

00:57:07.280 allow these things that's the difference right one one side that's how stark this is one side

00:57:13.420 says we want to have as much baby murder as possible in all 50 states right up to the moment

00:57:20.520 of birth right totally permissible and maybe a little after yeah yeah maybe um and right we want 0.70

00:57:27.160 10 or 20 million more people to come into this country criminals to to rob you to steal you to 0.99

00:57:33.020 rape your daughters and to also ensure that we retain power forever power yeah and that you never 0.97

00:57:39.660 have anyone to represent you ever again yeah so it's a question and then there's another right 0.98

00:57:44.280 of what politics actually is right and then the other party says um yeah i i'm actually not that

00:57:50.160 pro-life and honestly my policies and terms and i'll be honest here i want to steel man the position

00:57:55.700 the truth the truth we're after the truth um but the other side trump the gop what they're saying

00:58:02.140 is um we're not as pro-death as the democrats yeah but for all intents and purposes in terms

00:58:09.880 of raw numbers what the actual result of our policies will be uh the difference if there is

00:58:15.500 any at all is negligible yeah and yeah and i'm again wanting to steal man to be honest yeah

00:58:20.680 and to be completely honest um there's probably no difference at all as many babies will be

00:58:26.420 murdered under our watch as as the democrats i'm being i'm being as charitable and fair

00:58:32.240 you're steel manning the position as possible great okay so we've established that horrible

00:58:37.500 horrendous disgusting abominable great so so in a in a in a steel man position here let's say that

00:58:46.080 they're equal yeah equally terrible yeah for the unborn are there any other things in life

00:58:53.200 yeah that matter actually there are there are yeah no there are other issues that matter really

00:58:59.900 oh okay and and it's a question of of of power and power politics in the sense that right if

00:59:07.820 if you don't win now you are never going to win ever again right right that's what's at stake

00:59:13.880 for the record this is not timeless uh the principles we're giving that's not always the

00:59:18.420 case yeah it's not always the case that if you don't win now you won't win ever yeah but what

00:59:23.180 we're talking about right now is um is a win that is necessary to ensure that the other team doesn't

00:59:30.340 get to have twice as many players on the field as your team yeah that's what will happen in the in

00:59:35.080 this with this yeah it's a question of strategy of long-term strategy and and not in this particular

00:59:41.140 moment right you you have to win now or it is over yeah right that that is what is at stake

00:59:48.640 and the idea again the idea that we would that we would allow loss because we're not getting the

00:59:58.080 thing we want because because this is what happened like culture culture comes through power

01:00:03.180 right power informs culture that's right right it's not just the politics is downstream of culture

01:00:08.060 i would say it's both it's it's not a one way it's not a one-way stream it's a two-way street

01:00:12.580 yeah so there is a sense in which uh culture gets worse you get better uh worse policies

01:00:17.760 yeah but also there's something to be said for the culture becoming more and more degenerate

01:00:21.860 and that gives you a burger fell in 2015 uh but then after a burger fell what do you see the

01:00:25.840 culture when it goes exponentially worse and even and even then like what what got us a burger fell

01:00:31.620 right was was political activism and judicial activism and so forth was politics before also

01:00:38.040 But look at the culture before Obergefell, right?

01:00:42.380 Your former state, California, what did it do?

01:00:45.880 It banned gay marriage in what year was that, 2012?

01:00:49.400 I was there, yeah, 2012.

01:00:50.920 Proposition 8, Nate, is that what it was?

01:00:53.760 I can't remember, but yeah.

01:00:55.240 Three years before Obergefell, California.

01:00:57.780 California.

01:00:58.600 California banned gay marriage. 1.00

01:01:00.320 Right.

01:01:00.460 And then Obergefell happens, and you look at the polling on,

01:01:06.880 are you pro or against gay marriage among not just democrats but conservatives yep are now saying this

01:01:12.740 and so power determines it white pill here amen power shapes culture yeah that's right there is

01:01:19.100 something profound like everybody should do a little bit of study and or mcintyre has been

01:01:23.160 there's other guys but he's been so helpful for me on this and that's part of why i invited him

01:01:27.340 to the conference or mcintyre was one of the most persuasive guys and helping me to see that there

01:01:33.340 really is something to be said for elite theory yeah because because he's you know i've worded

01:01:38.240 it like this and trying to you know persuade others to you know that there's something to this

01:01:41.520 i said do you think in the 1950s that you know a bunch of housewives you know were watching leave

01:01:47.620 it to beaver or whatever and that you know and they were just getting together and having you

01:01:51.320 know a tv show watching party you know and sipping on their chardonnay and they were just thinking

01:01:56.260 and talking out loud and saying to one another you know we love television we love leave it to 1.00

01:02:00.660 beaver but what we really wish that there was was just some more butt sex yeah some more gay people 0.99

01:02:06.260 on tv and then hollywood said you know what we really don't want to do it but you know capitalism 0.99

01:02:10.400 the consumer is demanding supply and demand you know the demand is there and so i guess we'll

01:02:15.300 like no no they drove it it wasn't the public getting worse and then the policies followed

01:02:22.900 no there were a few individuals in power and they wielded that power in a particular direction that

01:02:31.040 shaped the culture yeah so there is something to be said for politics is downstream of culture

01:02:36.200 in part but that's not the the end of the story there's also something to be said for

01:02:42.100 political power shaping culture and so i mean all of this is you know this conversation is

01:02:47.580 in um you know all around trump and his policies on abortion and so forth and jd vance who just a

01:02:56.680 week or two ago um said that he was fine with the abortion pill and and so forth that was vance

01:03:04.100 vance yeah and so yeah um obviously right you and i oppose that yes right we oppose that strenuously

01:03:11.680 we're against that we don't want them to say those things right uh but at the same time right

01:03:16.200 like at the beginning uh with with vance you know going up to the wall and and and putting his hand

01:03:22.020 on it right we i'm i'm a political realist right i understand those those are the things you have

01:03:27.400 to do to get elected and in america in 2024 um it sounds like i'm saying oh current year but

01:03:33.020 america in 24 this is the cultural state that we are in things are so bad these things yeah this

01:03:38.720 is this is where we're at and this is what we have to win this is what we have to do that like it's

01:03:43.780 like playing chess to me when i play chess i really like chess and uh when i play chess i

01:03:49.300 don't think um if i can't win with my first move then i won't play i'm not going to sacrifice this

01:03:54.320 pawn or anything like that when i play chess with each move i'm just trying to think does this move

01:03:58.760 me further toward an ultimate win or further away yeah and it does this is this getting better

01:04:06.080 or is this getting worse and here's the deal you and i i mean we're literally you're in town to

01:04:11.260 record a whole series on the dangers of zionism yeah so you and i are not fans no right we're not

01:04:17.440 fans um however here's the deal so elite theory it's a thing yeah zionism it's a thing however

01:04:23.700 it's very powerful it is but the state of affairs right now is so bad that every guy who there's a

01:04:30.200 picture of wearing the tiny hat and kissing the wall yeah is not necessarily a zionist or a bad

01:04:36.640 guy or our enemy he's doing that because zionism is real yeah and that power is there yeah uh-huh

01:04:42.320 but that doesn't mean that oh so jd vance is um he he's you know he's meeting in dark secret

01:04:50.200 underground rooms and has done blood packs and tunnels yeah and as yeah exactly and you know no

01:04:57.900 no um that's possible maybe he's terrible maybe he's terrible we could be wrong he could be

01:05:03.640 terrible but the argument that you're making needs to at least be considered we don't have

01:05:07.320 a crystal ball we don't know definitively you're not the prophet a prophet or a son of a prophet

01:05:11.280 but what you're saying is no things are so bad right now that it's at least plausible and should

01:05:17.480 be at least considered by reasonable people that maybe jd vance is a decent guy but the state of

01:05:25.500 affairs not him personally but the whole enchilada as a whole is so bad yeah that he knows and he's

01:05:34.140 actually right you can't get elected in america currently in 2024 unless you hold this this this

01:05:40.260 in this position yeah yeah and and i mean that's how i look at it i don't think that

01:05:45.620 um we have to say your paper over it and say that it's good or pretend that it's a good thing

01:05:51.140 um it's the reality is at the end of the day um there are people right maybe 40 percent of the

01:05:58.420 country um that they see what we saw saturday and they say ah man ah they almost got him can't

01:06:07.080 believe you missed i can't believe they missed and they're they're grieving right not for the

01:06:11.020 man who was was killed right um or for the attempt on the president's life right um they're grieving

01:06:16.800 because they wish he was dead and they don't wish he was dead they wish that we we were dead are

01:06:22.280 dead they want us dead that's like there's like 40 of the country and that's not hyperbolic 0.89

01:06:27.540 language i get death threats so i'm being literally i get death threats on a regular basis yeah they

01:06:32.360 and i literally just just for the record i've got death they say i know your your address yeah i

01:06:38.000 have pictures of your family yeah and i'm coming for we're talking about people they want to kill 0.98

01:06:44.080 women and children they want to kill families they're fanatics they're psychotic there's no 0.95

01:06:48.280 unity yeah yeah when when they're calling for unity and things like that no there there is none 0.99

01:06:52.520 no no there's none that we can have these are enemies right they and they aren't enemies

01:06:56.360 in the biblical sense where you turn the other cheek right they come kill your kids oh just

01:07:00.740 here's another kid for you to kill no that's not what jesus is saying that's not what he's saying

01:07:03.700 right these are enemies that are hostile to our way of life these are public enemies jesus is

01:07:09.220 talking about private enemies right jesus is talking about interpersonal at a personal level

01:07:13.120 somebody offends you right your neighbor over there if his dog comes in your yard right right

01:07:18.640 you don't go burn down his house or beat him up you say hey could you please not do that he keeps

01:07:24.440 doing it because think of the application you're gracious to him think of the application of that

01:07:27.920 you would have to say that there's no such thing as a national enemy yeah you can't have war you'd

01:07:31.620 have to be a pacifist no such thing as if there's no such thing as a political enemy then there's

01:07:35.600 no such thing as a national exactly so you can't have you when the when the murderer and the rapist

01:07:39.660 comes into your house you just got to let him do it you just got to pray that he would receive

01:07:42.600 christ right no no you stop him right right you stop him you you're allowed to have a country

01:07:48.020 you're allowed to have borders you're allowed to uh to defend have a military and politically

01:07:51.660 within your country domestically you are allowed to recognize i have political enemies and here's

01:07:56.780 the thing we love even them we love and pray for those who persecute us um and so this is what i'm

01:08:02.820 doing with my political enemies is in love i am praying for them and in love i'm going to do

01:08:08.560 everything in my power to beat them yeah they need to be defeated they need to be defeated

01:08:12.080 for my sake for my wife for my kids but also for their sake their own yeah yeah i mean that's the

01:08:17.320 like you think 40 like after the debate when joe biden is just a walking corpse and you

01:08:22.420 you can't understand anything he's saying and it's an embarrassment and everything

01:08:27.020 40 of the country said yep we're still gonna vote for him for president

01:08:30.460 right like he can't even formulate a coherent sentence right and you want that guy to be

01:08:37.080 he's wearing diapers right yeah you because you hate the other people so much right they want us

01:08:45.060 dead right for them it's not about what's best for the country or i mean think about that you're 0.77

01:08:49.620 literally they're saying uh we recognize that right now we are in war yeah with ukraine with

01:08:55.340 russia with israel and iran and china and taiwan you have three different wars yeah all with the

01:09:02.200 potential of being a world war yeah and with the potential of drafting not just our sons

01:09:08.480 but daughters yeah and you have people saying um i'm okay with four more years that radically

01:09:16.640 increases through incompetency and foolishness and dementia and evil yeah radically increases

01:09:23.540 the potential of a world war that will destroy everyone everything i am okay with that so long 1.00

01:09:31.440 is i get to have butt sex yeah or the flip side of that and kill or kill babies or the tiny chance 0.99

01:09:38.040 on the flip side the tiny chance that the republican party might might move a little bit 1.00

01:09:42.360 better on the issue of abortion right i was talking about our enemies left but those guys

01:09:46.900 are not our even among our friends there are friends and brothers but we do think they're

01:09:50.520 wrong yeah our friend that that's what i'm trying to say it's like the the stakes here are so stark

01:09:57.060 right that this is this is war right they their bullets are flying now right and not just at him

01:10:04.400 they they want us gone too right right that's that's why they support immigration right that's 0.81

01:10:10.600 why they support transgenderism all these things right they want to destroy everything we have

01:10:14.740 everything we love our own families our children all of this and so i want to win right i want to 0.99

01:10:20.720 win to preserve that right in the hope that if we still have an american four years or in 10 years

01:10:26.160 that finally the cultural especially like these guys win right i know guys that are going to work

01:10:32.140 in their administration right right maybe i shouldn't say that it's a 2025 you know project

01:10:37.140 2025 thing you know like but i i know guys they're probably going to maybe they're not no i don't know

01:10:41.760 anyone uh that that would and they're christians and they're going to pursue christian policies

01:10:47.480 and push them to push the right things for a man but an administration you're voting for

01:10:50.960 everything behind them right and and here's the thing this is what the democrats do constantly

01:10:56.520 brock obama gets on stage and he says oh i believe marriage is between a man and a woman

01:11:00.780 and what does he do he appoints justices that are going to make gay marriage the law right he lies

01:11:06.420 of course he doesn't believe that right he's telling uh a righteous or an unrighteous lie

01:11:12.440 right but if it's the other way around right if jd vance has to say yeah i support this thing

01:11:17.060 um and he doesn't actually right and he's going to do everything he can behind the scenes to fight

01:11:23.360 it right is that good or bad right morally good or bad i don't know uh what do you think what do

01:11:29.160 you think pastor reminds me you're a pastor too buddy so ad ad uses that move and he can use it

01:11:34.900 because he's not currently holding ecclesiastical office but you're a pastor too um i don't know

01:11:39.220 was was it a sin when rahab told the soldiers in in jericho and they they specifically she didn't

01:11:45.960 just say i don't know they asked are the spies here just nope and she says no and then she even

01:11:51.680 went further and said they they left they ran and they went that way yeah yeah um so you know

01:11:59.860 because of that lie uh we all know i mean she's lying for clearly righteous purposes to righteous

01:12:06.220 end and telling a lie that doesn't affect people this is a lie that that will have material

01:12:10.920 consequences i mean people will you know unborn people will die right because of this um right

01:12:16.160 she's lying she's lying to preserve life yeah i don't mean to like make light of it i mean i think

01:12:20.900 he's he's lying if he is lying um in order to gain the power to be able to preserve life right

01:12:29.420 and i i'm i'm not saying that i buy it right i'm not saying i believe yeah we don't know that we

01:12:34.780 don't have it like he may just have compromised he could have just compromised yeah absolutely

01:12:39.740 in which case

01:12:41.420 we would say C.A

01:12:43.360 many people in the chat have pointed out

01:12:45.240 he has a Hindu wife

01:12:46.560 I don't know if she actually is Hindu

01:12:48.200 I thought in his book he said she was Catholic

01:12:50.140 but it's conflicting reports on that

01:12:53.080 maybe she's Indian but Catholic

01:12:56.640 yeah

01:12:57.000 his views though

01:12:59.460 personally I don't know how solid he is

01:13:02.100 on these things

01:13:02.840 I don't know him personally

01:13:03.680 but I do know that it seems

01:13:07.680 as though his instincts

01:13:09.020 on everything um everything politically have been correct so it's compromise on life not a fan no

01:13:16.480 of course not uh the tiny hat in the wall yeah we've just come to expect that it's just par for

01:13:22.820 the course not a fan yeah super disappointing but here we are um so why was he all those things

01:13:29.540 being said why was he a good pick um if you go on on twitter right now and you see the freak out

01:13:36.740 among the never trumpers the people that hate trump in the republican party um they hate it

01:13:44.500 they hate it my enemies that want me dead also want trump dead they and then the ones that want

01:13:49.360 trump dead also yeah are weeping and screaming over vance because he is cut from the same cloth

01:13:55.880 as trump like his political instincts are the same his uh the policies he pursues are the same

01:14:02.020 he cares i mean he went to natcon last week and right you know what he said like this is gonna

01:14:08.320 maybe maybe i haven't seen owen strand comment on this maybe he will um he said right america

01:14:15.160 is a people it's not an idea right it's not a proposition it's a people it's a people right

01:14:23.020 i'm sorry neil shenvy and owen strand it's a people it's a people and in a place yeah in a

01:14:28.860 particular particular people in a particular place how about that and of course people you

01:14:32.900 know i i shared it and people like well but he has a hindu wife he has you do it's like yeah

01:14:37.200 she's an american by marriage um it's the way it is that happens all right sorry he doesn't yeah

01:14:42.700 he doesn't have a heritage american wife but she is by me via marriage right but i a figure right

01:14:48.180 even just as a senator now the vice president presume you know presuming they win uh saying

01:14:54.860 that is unthinkable five years ago a year ago right to say america is a particular people

01:15:01.880 whoa that's huge so why do they hate him because of stuff like that yeah right because he cares

01:15:07.860 about this country our people right um that he's willing to say that right because it's very easy

01:15:14.500 to say america's like tim scott or all these other people america is a propositional nation anybody

01:15:18.980 could come here and if they believe in freedom then that's great well jd vance says no right

01:15:24.980 it's a particular people right with a heritage and a history um that's what makes americans

01:15:31.760 and he wants to make that particular people great again right that's great it's wonderful

01:15:39.020 yeah right so why do they hate him it's that it's they hate him that he's a skeptic on ukraine

01:15:43.160 they hate him that he despite going to the the wall with the funny hat um that he's not going

01:15:49.960 to just rubber stamp a vote on israel and and maybe like he's he's better on israel than trump

01:15:56.380 is right right he's maybe going to say no maybe you don't want to give concessions uh to benjamin

01:16:01.600 netanyahu maybe you don't want to give a blank check in gaza good you know so i think it is it

01:16:07.260 And, I mean, after Saturday, the single most important thing is, right, you kill Trump, and now you have a man that is exactly like him, just not as funny.

01:16:18.900 Trump needs, he needs insurance. 0.97

01:16:20.840 Yeah, this is assassination insurance.

01:16:22.580 Exactly, because if he makes, you know, what's her face?

01:16:26.820 Nikki Haley. 0.94

01:16:28.380 He's dead tomorrow.

01:16:29.320 Well, he's dead to me. 0.83

01:16:31.480 Yeah.

01:16:32.340 No, I mean.

01:16:32.840 If Trump, you know, if he appoints Nikki Haley, then it's like, number one, I, you know, I just, all of my Trump appreciation, you know, just was depleted.

01:16:41.340 But then secondly, yeah, exactly.

01:16:43.900 The regime loves Nikki Haley.

01:16:45.620 So, yeah, it's open, it's hunting season.

01:16:47.760 Yeah, I had to tell you, like, I won't reveal which particular group shadows it, but everyone was like, you know, sweating over who's he going to pick.

01:16:54.640 And it's like, well, if it's Nikki Haley, we were all like crafting our, you know, Harry Carey, what we're going to do, you know, like ritual.

01:17:02.840 I was like, oh no, it's over. And, and, and like here, the thing is he, he, I, as of Saturday or yesterday, I, I'm thinking to myself right this morning, I, there's not a single thing Trump could do at this point, realistically, that would make me love him and, and stand for him and want to vote for him and crawl over broken glass to go vote for him.

01:17:26.140 uh than than any then at all right except picking vance as his vp and then he went and did it

01:17:33.140 right because right for this reason that you have and what it also does is it crafts a successor

01:17:40.200 he's 78 years old and the question is well who is going to be the guy that continues this on

01:17:47.600 that represents heritage america the american people and gives them this voice who is going

01:17:53.220 to be that guy um on into the future and here you have a guy he's not he's maybe 10 years older than

01:17:59.780 us um you know young guy very articulate very bright very well spoken right he needs to get

01:18:05.580 funnier right uh just to keep up with with trump i don't know if anyone can uh but here you have a

01:18:11.600 clear successor to trump and that is extremely important i think we're not uh valuing uh just

01:18:18.400 how important that is and again he's not perfect by any stretch like he's we we've mentioned the

01:18:23.840 things that we don't like about him that are that are terrible um but we're not going to get our

01:18:29.800 ideal christian prince right today it's it's not going to happen um and not at the presidential

01:18:37.560 level no not at this point right but it it allows us to win battles in order to be able to push the

01:18:46.420 ball down the field so we can one day win in the future that's right and especially if they pursue

01:18:51.680 a policy of mass deportations which people like oh he's not really going to do it um we'll see i

01:18:56.900 don't know after they try to kill him i i think he's going to be much more serious in his uh next

01:19:03.280 term yeah uh so you know we'll see we'll see all right let's cut to our uh last commercial break

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01:21:00.420 i've heard about russians all right so we're going to go ahead and land the plane

01:21:08.160 um i think we've talked about just about everything we've talked about the assassination

01:21:12.740 attempt we've talked about the vp pick with jd vance we've talked about the theological side

01:21:18.360 you know and the categories of politics and theology and certainly theology informs our

01:21:22.580 politics and how we do these things and certainly there are objective um immutable standards of god

01:21:27.620 um when it comes to you know well i so so one of my friends ben zeislaw friend of yours too

01:21:34.260 great guy great guy and we're you know we're in chats together and talking on you know regular

01:21:39.160 basis and uh he you know he publicly um uh tweeted something out where he said i'll just pull it up

01:21:48.420 it's easiest if i just read it but he said um you know the friend enemy distinction that whole you

01:21:54.360 know that whole enchilada uh what does he say he says um here we go so he tweeted out earlier i

01:22:08.020 think this morning sometime he said uh politics and he's putting this in quotation marks talking

01:22:12.160 about guys like you and i and he and he wasn't being mean about it of course not but uh politics

01:22:16.460 is about friends and enemies exclamation point yeah you know because we talk we say that a lot

01:22:21.820 politics is about friends and enemies and then he puts you know uh in quotation marks his next

01:22:26.460 statement says uh rewards friends after gross betrayal and so and so then i retweeted him

01:22:33.440 and i said um ben zeissloff is one of the most impressive young men that i've come across i

01:22:38.700 enjoy him love him respect him ben although i know you disagree merely for the sake of trying

01:22:44.100 to at least explain my thinking kindly consider this okay so ben says politics is about friends

01:22:49.920 and enemies rewards friends after gross betrayal so i said politics about is about friends and

01:22:56.300 enemies punishes enemies despite gross betrayal and you see i don't even i don't think it's gross

01:23:04.260 betrayal right uh i don't think i don't think trump was ever this pro-life guy um i i really

01:23:12.220 don't think he was i think well to be fair i i wasn't thinking just about trump and i don't know

01:23:17.100 Or maybe he's talking about Vance.

01:23:19.320 Yeah, but also just the GOP came out recently.

01:23:22.780 Yeah, changing the platform and things like that.

01:23:25.520 I think the GOP changing the platform is reflective of the political realities that are extant.

01:23:33.620 I don't like it.

01:23:35.600 I wish our culture was different than it is.

01:23:38.600 But it's the reality.

01:23:39.720 If you want to win a federal election, if you want to win a national election and get requisite electoral votes, 270, to win the presidency, you are not going to be able to hold the positions that you and I hold.

01:23:56.740 That's just the reality.

01:23:58.780 And so if that's the reality, and people maybe in the comments will argue with me maybe, but if that's the reality, then what do we do?

01:24:06.600 That's why we're pastors and political commentators.

01:24:10.500 But if that's the reality, right, if the views that we hold that abortion, right, any death of babies that is caused intentionally after conception is murder and should be punished as such, right, that position is not going to win the presidency of the United States in 2024, right?

01:24:33.000 So start with that as the baseline, right?

01:24:36.600 um, then what do you do? Right. Then what do you do? I mean, there, there's some friends of mine

01:24:42.680 that are abolitionists that'll say, well, then America needs to be destroyed and burned and,

01:24:45.980 and God's judgment is going to come on us and that's it. And I'm like, well, that, that is

01:24:52.040 one thing that is happening. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. That is, that's one thing that is happening,

01:24:57.340 but I have, I have children. I want my children to have children. I have a, I have neighbors and

01:25:02.140 friends i have a community i have people and places that i love that i don't want to see

01:25:07.480 destroyed i don't want to see these places destroyed and so if that's the baseline

01:25:11.660 if if the views that i have are not popular and are going to lose presidential elections

01:25:18.840 then i can't demand somebody hold these views that and expect them to win right i have to say

01:25:28.180 all right what how do we create the conditions where my views will one day win right is there

01:25:36.840 a mechanism is there a means by which the views that i hold one day can win elections and will

01:25:43.480 win elections we can wield power and destroy these evil things right right that that is is

01:25:49.060 there a pathway toward that and i think there is right i think one pathway is shutting down the

01:25:55.620 border deporting 20 million people amen and and then reaping more like you you want more dusty

01:26:01.300 deavers deport 20 million people and we will have more dusty deavers that's right arise because

01:26:07.760 they'll be able to get elected in many more places they'll be able to win yeah uh and the way that

01:26:13.200 you get that is by voting for a guy that doesn't that you vehemently disagree with on this issue

01:26:20.780 right right because the other side isn't isn't just wrong on this issue they're they're barbaric

01:26:27.380 in in their zeal for the death of babies and they want to destroy her country right so to me it

01:26:34.540 seems very simple right it seems very obvious because i i'm looking at politics not in this

01:26:40.820 ideological way in this ideological purity spiraling way where unless the guy is exactly

01:26:46.760 perfect on on these issues i cannot vote for him but rather is there an opportunity to win so we

01:26:55.520 can win on the things i care the most about down the road and and a way for power to be wielded

01:27:02.380 that the culture will be changed because power being wielded does change cultures right and

01:27:09.100 the right hasn't done that in 80 years but the there's an inkling of finally being able to begin

01:27:19.880 doing that uh once again and i could see that in these guys amen yeah i see some of that uh and i'm

01:27:27.680 encouraged and trump will have my vote everybody knows at this point that let me let me read one

01:27:32.520 more tweet that i put out a couple days ago where in terms of the immigration and a christian view

01:27:38.760 and, you know, full orbs, you know, looking at the whole picture.

01:27:43.620 But I don't know if I could find it.

01:27:44.920 I felt like I tweeted it just yesterday.

01:27:46.940 Oh, I found it.

01:27:47.440 Happens to me all the time.

01:27:48.500 And it's like, oh, that was like 17 tweets ago.

01:27:52.320 I need to get a life.

01:27:53.460 All right, here we go.

01:27:54.560 So I said, thoughts on immigration.

01:27:56.020 Number one, Christians can love their immigrant neighbors

01:27:59.100 by being charitable towards them, sharing the gospel with them,

01:28:02.920 and inviting them to church.

01:28:04.820 Take that, Owen Strand.

01:28:06.020 i do actually believe that and practice you love your neighbors really number two christians who

01:28:13.640 are heritage americans which is focused on culture not merely color yeah and it historically has been

01:28:20.220 predominantly white but never exclusively white christians who are heritage america can righteously

01:28:27.060 grieve so they can love their neighbors preach the gospel to their neighbors invite their neighbors

01:28:32.620 into their home and to their churches, and they could also righteously grieve the eroding of their

01:28:38.780 history and culture due to mass immigration. Number three, Christians can vote as well as

01:28:45.860 inform others to vote in ways that stop immigration and seek to preserve their distinct way of life

01:28:53.440 and people. Number four, Christians can recognize that statistically the vast majority of immigrants

01:29:00.200 vote democrat this is not necessarily because every single one of them is pro-abortion or pro-lgbt

01:29:07.560 many immigrants have conservative views on some of these issues however most immigrants will vote

01:29:14.980 for whatever political party promises to let their families and friends into the country

01:29:20.840 in other words they will vote democrat for the purpose of loose borders but the result

01:29:26.520 is more abortion, homosexuality, taxation, inflation, etc. Number five, Christians who

01:29:35.160 righteously despise abortion can vote for Donald Trump while recognizing that both he and the GOP

01:29:42.400 have significantly compromised on the protection of the unborn. However, Christians can also

01:29:48.360 recognize that not voting in this upcoming election greatly increases Joe Biden's chances

01:29:54.000 of re-election and biden or the puppet masters behind him will import millions of more democrat

01:30:01.220 voters the message that christians attempt to send to the gop by withholding their vote might cause

01:30:08.160 the gop to provide a better candidate in 2028 however after four more years of the current

01:30:14.960 invasion of our borders gop voters will potentially have to compete against 10 to 20 million more

01:30:21.320 democrat voters so that their more ethical gop presidential candidate is crushed in the 2028

01:30:28.720 election parentheses a master class in how to be beautiful losers number six finally christians

01:30:36.080 can vote for trump and send a message to the gop by simply being relentlessly outspoken about their

01:30:43.360 disapproval with the compromise of republicans withholding your vote is not the only avenue for

01:30:49.740 sending a message and then lastly christians can do all of these things simultaneously none of them

01:30:57.560 are mutually exclusive yeah hashtag big if true big if true big if true yeah you're right and

01:31:05.780 i i just you don't like the gop compromise language that i put there you love your boy

01:31:12.220 donald trump you don't like that i said no no no i think they i think they are compromised on it

01:31:16.280 from our perspective obviously i'm saying they're compromised on it from where they were previously

01:31:21.700 no yeah yeah and i think it's objective i think so i think i think what is what has happened

01:31:26.520 um is we are still kind of grasping and struggling to come up with a coherent political strategy

01:31:36.600 post dobbs because the republican party in the past could say i'm 100 pro-life right begins at

01:31:44.900 conception so on and so forth they could just bang that drum as hard as they want and they knew

01:31:49.700 roe versus wade's not going away right i could i have the golden egg you know the golden goose

01:31:54.660 is just gonna keep laying these golden eggs and all these evangelicals are gonna lap this up and

01:31:58.200 right for me george w bush could say that john mccain could say that but they don't have to do

01:32:02.820 anything and they know they're never gonna have to do anything ever i saw this in the 2022 election

01:32:06.660 in my own state uh in minnesota uh we had um uh a man dr jensen uh who was running against tim

01:32:14.200 Walls, who was actually, you know, very unpopular because of his COVID policies, never attacked him

01:32:19.320 on that. And after, but Dobbs, the issue became abortion. And before Jensen had said, oh, I'm 100%

01:32:26.280 pro-life, life begins at conception. He said all the boilerplate Republican things, not realizing

01:32:30.580 that Dobbs is right around the corner. And then what does Walls do? He attacks him on, the entire

01:32:35.380 campaign is on abortion and he wins big um and he had no coherent strategy to be able to deal

01:32:45.060 with this he wasn't able to fight back and say well tim walls you you believe that you should

01:32:49.920 be able to have a baby that's in the birth canal you're so extreme on this issue you think that

01:32:54.180 babies that are about to be born you could just cut their heads off right he didn't go at him

01:32:57.860 like that he didn't say how extreme this guy was right he didn't fight back at all um and and

01:33:04.320 right he didn't he wasn't able to do what trump is so that's one strategy the other strategy is

01:33:08.940 what trump has done uh especially at the federal level where it's like this decision's been decided

01:33:12.960 it's decided it's a state level issue now i've done my job right i am not going to i'm not going

01:33:19.940 to fight on these issues and in particular states it's like i think they went a little bit too far

01:33:24.260 because in those states he wants to win those those states because he knows right he's a shrew

01:33:29.860 politician he can read the political wins and knows what issues will win um and and it's it's

01:33:36.340 not ideal it's terrible i hate that our country is this way i wish we had a different political

01:33:40.760 system i wish right uh joe biden and donald trump could just get in a cage match and only one man

01:33:46.520 would leave and and that's how we decided our presidents not voting right that would be way

01:33:50.640 better right um and we'd have a lot better presidents that way voting is terrible and so

01:33:56.060 But to have to convince a population of a country that is so degenerate and evil and loves the murder of babies and loves sexual degeneracy widespread, to convince a population like that, like, please vote for me and make me your leader and have power over you, that's a tough place to be.

01:34:14.760 right and and and and so i don't i don't get too bent out of shape over it honestly uh because i

01:34:23.920 recognize the realities of these things and and i've known that i voted for terrible guys that

01:34:29.420 definitely were pro baby murder like like george w bush you think that guy was pro-life give me a

01:34:35.380 break i'll look at his wife and his daughters and the things they say now right no of course he

01:34:40.220 wasn't but he didn't have to be because he had he had the security blanket of roe versus wade that

01:34:45.620 he knew the republicans had never had to do anything about that ever and so we can't we've

01:34:49.200 come to the realization after 2022 that the fight over abortion is a much much tougher we just

01:34:54.240 thought like roe versus wade is going to get overturned and then boom abortion is going to

01:34:57.380 be gone isn't that great and it's like no now we're going to have to fight this battle we've

01:35:01.540 had conditioning of 50 years where abortion has been legal and the whole country loves it now

01:35:06.100 and now we have to fight very hard it culturally and politically to get back to the point where

01:35:13.040 we were 50 years where where it was considered a great evil and and that's a lot harder we're

01:35:19.080 not going to decide it in one election we're not going to decide it by telling donald trump

01:35:22.260 we're not going to vote for him so joe biden please send in you know 20 million guatemalans 0.86

01:35:27.100 right no uh no that's that's that is a foolish foolish strategy i hear you i'm voting for trump

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01:37:25.180 Oh, man.

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01:37:30.020 well, that's the name of our conference then, you know?

01:37:32.320 Yeah, no doubt.

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01:37:36.760 Well, I mean, I liked saying it, but now I have to say it,

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01:38:49.000 I think it's going to be really helpful.

01:38:50.280 There's going to be probably some spicy arguments, but it's going to be good.

01:38:56.100 The body of Christ, I know it feels discouraging right now.

01:39:00.720 I don't know about you, Andrew, but I think it's sharpening.

01:39:03.660 Absolutely it is.

01:39:04.980 I'm encouraged.

01:39:05.740 I know way more than I knew four years ago.

01:39:07.580 Absolutely.

01:39:08.240 Me too.

01:39:08.620 And I like, because I know at the end of the day, the brothers that I have that disagree with me, they don't hate me over these disagreements, that we are sharpening one another and we're formulating better arguments in answering each other's objections.

01:39:25.920 And so, no, I'm encouraged by all of it.

01:39:29.560 Absolutely.

01:39:29.980 Amen.

01:39:30.640 All the boys will be there.

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01:39:36.060 You've got to have the boys.

01:39:37.080 Right?

01:39:37.580 What are conferences for?

01:39:38.620 The boys.

01:39:40.060 So that'll be great to have those guys.

01:39:42.760 I'm trying to think who else is.

01:39:43.740 Orin McIntyre, Steve Dace, Stephen Wolfe.

01:39:47.040 Is there anybody else?

01:39:48.100 I said A.D.

01:39:49.360 Did we miss anybody?

01:39:50.300 I'd feel bad if we did.

01:39:51.400 I know.

01:39:51.780 At this point, I've named almost everybody.

01:39:53.560 A.D. Robles.

01:39:54.940 Who else did I name?

01:39:55.600 I named David Reese.

01:39:56.980 Yeah.

01:39:57.400 Dusty Devers.

01:39:58.900 Did we miss any?

01:39:59.780 We'll have to.

01:40:00.880 John Harris.

01:40:01.740 John.

01:40:02.240 John.

01:40:02.800 Yeah.

01:40:03.020 You didn't say John.

01:40:03.720 John Harris.

01:40:04.280 Yeah.

01:40:04.540 I'm excited about that.

01:40:05.820 John Harris is a great thinker.

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The NXR Podcast - July 15, 2024

THE INTERVIEW - Trump Assassination Attempt, VP Announcement, & Why Christians Should Vote In This Election

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