The NXR Podcast - THE INTERVIEW - Trump Will Win 2024 & A Few Words About Zionism

00:00:00.000 Hi, welcome back to another episode of Theology Applied. I am your host, Pastor Joel Webin with

00:00:03.800 Right Response Ministries. And in this episode, I'm privileged to welcome to the show for the

00:00:07.800 very first time, John Doyle. John Doyle is the host of a show that he does called Heck Off

00:00:13.120 Commie. I am having John Doyle on the show specifically for his political and historical

00:00:19.400 analysis. I think that he is a very, very sharp young man who is insightful and is saying some

00:00:27.880 things that need to be said that many other Christians and conservatives on the right are

00:00:33.240 not saying at this present hour. So we are getting into the weeds of politics. We're getting into the

00:00:38.640 weeds of history and we are primarily addressing two subjects. One being Trump that he will win

00:00:45.960 in 2024 and why John and I are bullish on that matter as well as Zionism and that psyop finally

00:00:55.400 in many ways in the providence of God. And I do see this as a mercy, that veil being lifted and

00:01:00.420 some things being revealed, but how to also at the same time react faithfully, react courageously,

00:01:07.900 but not overreact, running from one psyop to another. So these are the things that we're

00:01:13.660 discussing in this episode of Theology Applied. Tune in. Applying God's word to every aspect of

00:01:20.560 life. This is Theology Applied. All right, welcome back to another episode of Theology Applied. I am

00:01:33.020 your host, Pastor Joel Webbin with Right Response Ministries. In this episode, I am very pleased to

00:01:37.340 welcome to the show for the first time, John Doyle. John, thanks for coming on. Yes, thank you for

00:01:42.740 having me. Excited to be here. So, John, you are the host of your own, I don't even know if you

00:01:48.060 would call it a podcast because i've watched you on it seems like it's predominantly youtube

00:01:52.180 and it's not a weekly show it's a whenever i feel like it show but it's called heck off commie yeah

00:01:57.940 right yeah and am i right is that fair to say it's a whenever i feel like it show

00:02:01.700 are you saying whenever i like feel like producing it or whenever you feel whenever you feel like

00:02:07.040 dropping an episode you know everybody thinks that i'm living this aristocratic life and i just drive

00:02:12.000 around and do whatever i want all day and occasionally i put out a video it's like exactly

00:02:16.080 the opposite. Okay, where I spend all my time like working on videos, but then I overthink them

00:02:22.580 and I write down too many notes and I get scared to organize it into like a coherent presentation.

00:02:26.900 So I'll jump to something else. And so I've got like 30 of these things in the in the oven at

00:02:32.380 the same time. And I just I don't have, you know, a staff that I can sort of delegate responsibilities

00:02:36.620 to. So I don't get the benefit of like having fun and then putting out it's like I get the worst

00:02:41.780 where everyone's mad because there's no content. But then I also am doing nothing but like working

00:02:45.860 on content that never comes to fruition so i would like to i'd like to post more frequently

00:02:50.360 maybe we will maybe we will soon well for anybody who's not familiar with you um i will say in your

00:02:56.360 defense that uh it does make sense that you are coming out sporadically with content but that

00:03:02.760 you're working on it all the time um for the record it shows and what i mean by that is that

00:03:07.580 when you do come out with a piece of content it is uh very thoughtful and highly produced like so

00:03:15.280 if anybody is not familiar with heck off commie check them out on youtube john doyle heck off

00:03:20.280 commie and what you'll find is you're on average you're looking at hour and a half two hour videos

00:03:24.960 but there's b-roll and there's funny sound effects and it's quick i i don't think i ever

00:03:30.740 maybe in two hours you say um once or twice i mean it's impressive and so it's it's it's clear

00:03:38.000 that it's very prepared it's very thoughtful and it's very produced for it sounds like for

00:03:43.380 the most part of one one man team. Well, thank you for saying that. I tend to agree with your

00:03:48.440 assessment. And I think it's necessary to have content like that, where I could be making more

00:03:54.680 daily content, daily news content, things like that. But there is a vacuum that needs to be

00:03:59.780 filled by something like what I am producing, where it's much more in depth, much more long

00:04:04.540 form, it may be ties into something that's like a headline issue of the day. But it can ultimately

00:04:09.400 approach it from an angle that's more productive than simply just, you know, five minutes of

00:04:13.260 talking points which is tough nowadays you know everyone's got they've been biologically altered

00:04:17.280 to prefer shorter form content they want the gta driving footage they want the subway surfers

00:04:22.620 tiktok scrolling ai you know this is how you approach whatever that voice is and so we're

00:04:27.720 trying we're trying to compete with that well you're doing a good job all right so for the

00:04:32.200 listener this is kind of our our outline for today very basic there's two main things that

00:04:37.740 we want to discuss. The first is that we would like to talk about Trump and specifically why

00:04:44.540 Trump will. And I think that I'll say it. I think you would agree, but why Trump not just might,

00:04:51.420 but will win the 2024 election. And then secondly, we want to talk a little bit about Israel and how

00:04:59.260 conservatives and especially Christians should be thinking about that very controversial topic.

00:05:04.680 So those are the two things. You seem very bullish. Correct me if I'm wrong, but very bullish on Trump. Let's start there. What do you think? Is he going to win?

00:05:13.000 Yeah, I think that the writing seems to be on the wall that he will win. I think that not only the

00:05:19.480 polling indicates that, I mean, he's polling now higher than he was in 2020 or even 2016,

00:05:23.880 but even the actions from the Democrats seem to suggest this. I do think it's true that as much

00:05:29.140 as they do hate him and want to make his life generally miserable, I don't think that they

00:05:32.760 would go to the extent that they have been in terms of waging lawfare against him if they

00:05:36.120 actually thought that they could simply either win legitimately or fortify their way out of

00:05:41.280 another Trump administration. So it seems that they might understand sort of the dynamics at

00:05:46.320 play better than even the average Republican voter does. But I think that Joe Biden is

00:05:51.400 comically disliked by even the most average American, even many Biden voters. Again,

00:05:56.700 the saying was in 2020, you weren't voting for Biden, you were voting simply against Trump.

00:06:00.800 And I'm sure that's still true to a certain extent, but to more maybe reasonably inclined

00:06:06.040 Democrat voters insofar as those exist, I don't think the enthusiasm is quite there.

00:06:09.880 because you know even if you go to like msnbc.com they still have their like you know trump news

00:06:15.380 section where all the anti-trump news coverage is but that coverage is not as incessant and as 0.52

00:06:20.640 syndicated as it used to be when he was actually in office so i think that sort of secular hitler

00:06:26.660 stand-in has diminished to a certain capacity within the minds of those voters and they're

00:06:30.980 not as galvanized as they used to be you know that's why they need something like abortion for

00:06:34.700 example uh to really like rally them to show out the way that they may have for biden in 2020 i

00:06:40.440 just don't think that that energy is there i agree and i think uh trump has one more ace up his sleeve

00:06:45.860 uh for this election that he did not have in 2020 and that being uh one of the strongest arguments

00:06:51.160 for a vote for trump is a four-year um biden administration i i you know i i just think that

00:06:58.640 after four years of biden um you know because before it was i love trump or i hate trump

00:07:04.460 and now there's just this extra you know it's a multi-variant situation because now it's i love

00:07:10.320 trump i hate trump but there's also the the category of i hate biden um and so you know

00:07:16.220 after seeing four years of of biden in office um i think that that you know is uh is an advantage

00:07:23.160 for trump uh that said what what about you know take biden off the table is there any possibility

00:07:28.220 of a last minute michelle obama gavin newsom kind of thing i don't think you know the gavin

00:07:34.240 newsom thing maybe could have been possible a few months ago and i remember saying that back

00:07:38.240 in maybe 2021 but newsom is going to be the future of the party and people were like well

00:07:42.800 look at comifornia how can you say that and it's like but now they see as time passes that newsom

00:07:48.420 will ascend to the ranks because i mean who else do they have maybe uh like gretchen whitmer

00:07:53.120 Michelle Obama, I don't think is as possible as people would imagine. I think that the Obamas have maybe rightfully been this sort of like villain in the mind of the conservative voter for a while. You know, he's born in Kenya, he's a Muslim or so they like fear the Obama family. 0.80

00:08:10.420 But the Obamas, I mean, as politically oriented as they are, sort of climbing the DNC ladder, the community organizer to presidential pipeline, they seem to be very content going on their book tours and hanging out at Martha's Vineyard.

00:08:24.960 They don't really try to manipulate the conversation to be at their will the way that the Clintons would have.

00:08:34.500 So many other sort of A-list Democrat figures do.

00:08:37.980 I mean, the extent to which Barack Obama enters the public conversation tends to peak at his summer book recommendation or summer playlist, things like that.

00:08:47.720 He'll issue a statement when something big happens, but he doesn't really seem to try to puppeteer the direction of the party.

00:08:53.600 I know it's popular for conservatives to say that Joe Biden's actually running the White House and Barack Obama is still running the White House.

00:08:59.960 He's actually the guy that's still in charge. But I don't think that's true.

00:09:03.000 And Michelle Obama, too, famously did not enjoy the public spotlight.

00:09:07.960 She slash he is not exactly like this political actor.

00:09:12.740 I mean, when like Hillary Clinton, for example, was first lady, they gave her the task of health care reform.

00:09:18.220 And Michelle Obama was like, make kids less fat.

00:09:21.320 I mean, that was her big thing was we're going to take out sugary soda from the vending machines in public schools and we're going to replace them with like, you know, Coke Zero or whatever.

00:09:30.660 And she's even said in interviews before that she kind of like hates the whole public spotlight thing, things like that.

00:09:36.060 So they've sort of, I think, reached a point at their political career, their relationship, where they're very happy to sort of retire on Martha's Vineyard and make millions of dollars and just do whatever they want for the rest of their lives without having to necessarily subject themselves to the sort of torment of the political cycle.

00:09:52.520 So I don't think that Michelle would get involved, especially not at this stage.

00:09:55.980 I think that they know that Biden's their best option.

00:09:58.320 And also, I don't think that he would relinquish that.

00:10:01.100 I think that he is very committed to the trajectory that he's on.

00:10:05.160 right that makes sense um i i could see a michelle obama um campaign yet i think that you're right 0.95

00:10:13.040 uh say what you want about barack i think that he's evil but i don't think that he's stupid

00:10:19.020 and i think that um they have you know i think barack has a rare a rare thing um these days

00:10:28.460 which is i think he actually has the sense to uh to try to die while being the hero instead of

00:10:35.780 living long enough to become the villain and uh you know uh i mean he will always be in the

00:10:41.020 objective sense the villain but in terms of the subjective optic um there's still a lot of people

00:10:46.640 in the country that love michelle obama and love barack and think that they're great and uh if they

00:10:53.200 do come back into the political scene especially in a significant way like a michelle uh presidency

00:10:59.300 then um then the verdict uh that's currently out will very certainly come back in um that oh the

00:11:07.260 obamas are uh they're not heroes they are villains right now they have the chance to kind of ride off

00:11:13.200 into the sunset so right i even that was sort of my read on those leaks that were coming out last

00:11:18.700 summer where there were stories being published about Barack Obama's alleged homosexual activity

00:11:24.000 back in the days when he was in Chicago. Then there was that incident where there was the guy

00:11:29.160 at their property who mysteriously died. I sort of view that as maybe these leaks are being

00:11:34.820 disseminated as a warning to them. Like, hey, just so you know, if you decide to try to throw your

00:11:39.100 hat in the ring, wrestle control away from the Biden family, like this is the kind of stuff that

00:11:43.320 we're going to that we're going to put out against you. Because anytime something like that surfaces,

00:11:47.040 i mean that's never organic it's never just a matter of like oh i found this story i'm gonna

00:11:50.780 it's always syndicated there's always a reason um and so that seemed to be much more of a warning

00:11:55.040 than it was like legitimate journalism or something and uh since then you know they

00:11:59.040 haven't really flirted with the idea of any political aspirations since right so they're

00:12:05.020 going to run biden it's it's uh that's actually going to happen yeah okay and trump is going to

00:12:11.840 beat biden because simply the polls what's what's give us give us a little bit more why why are you

00:12:18.200 so bullish on trump he's like the greatest american currently alive i mean he inspires a

00:12:24.020 certain loyalty with his voters which i've never seen in my 24 years but even in the the viewing

00:12:30.740 and the reading that i've done i mean i haven't like people would vote for george bush and they'd

00:12:34.260 vote for mit romney but they didn't view those campaign signs or those flags to be like a symbol

00:12:40.680 of American identity the way that they do with Donald Trump. I mean, it is always fun. And

00:12:45.400 there's a tradition of putting out the yard sign and having this sort of back and forth with your

00:12:49.160 neighbors. I'm for Kerry, I'm for Bush. But I mean, you can still drive out and even after he

00:12:53.380 lost, quote unquote, you can still drive out of the heartland of the country and see those flags

00:12:58.080 and see those signs because people view him to be this avatar of rejecting whatever's going on in

00:13:04.240 Washington right now in favor of a more authentic American identity and way of viewing American

00:13:09.420 government and how it serves the people as opposed to corporations globalists what have you

00:13:14.700 agreed all right um so what do you think is going to happen i mean it seems like there's

00:13:22.560 going to be nothing but chaos uh come november i well wins yes i would like to see the chaos you

00:13:29.940 know maybe he invokes the insurrection act and he sends these people to gitmo which we have

00:13:34.380 reopened and refurbished to be nice and gold and with his name on it or something like that but

00:13:39.320 I think that the question with the next Trump administration isn't going to be so much

00:13:43.380 if it happens. I think that they have probably made peace with that it is going to. God forbid

00:13:48.520 something terrible happens to Trump in the meantime. The question is probably going to be

00:13:52.520 to what extent can they kneecap that administration akin to what they did in the first Trump

00:13:57.100 administration where you had Paul Ryan's Congress going against him. There were no policies that

00:14:01.420 were allowed to be achieved that were not ultimately beneficial to the quote unquote

00:14:05.480 ruling class. Like Trump's accomplishments were like a tax cut. Okay, they're not exactly going

00:14:10.160 to push back too much against that, because they ultimately benefit from something like a tax cut,

00:14:14.480 even if you know, the American middle class does to a certain extent as well. But things like a

00:14:18.160 border wall, which you wanted what $4 billion for. That was a huge problem. We couldn't do that.

00:14:23.320 And we've just sent easily what 20 times that to Ukraine. That's the money that we send, you know,

00:14:28.080 plus 200,000 or 200 million, I guess to Israel every year, there are all these other countries

00:14:32.120 that are getting so many billions of dollars, but we couldn't find $4 billion in the budget

00:14:35.440 the border wall. It's because, as I'm sure viewers know, the ruling class benefits with 0.99

00:14:40.240 mass immigration, whether it's because of votes, cheaper labor, eroding of social fabric and 0.85

00:14:46.080 cohesion. I mean, it is ultimately more beneficial for them to coalesce power over American people, 0.98

00:14:51.280 people who would actually have an incentive to liberate the country from this parasitical

00:14:56.020 ruling class to have that be less feasible for them because of the mass immigration that you 0.99

00:15:02.460 see from literally the whole world not even just latin america i mean you're seeing somalians now

00:15:06.600 haitians uh indians chinamen i mean everybody's coming here right right um okay so for trump to

00:15:16.820 actually win it seems like it needs to be a landslide it has to be beyond beyond the measure

00:15:23.080 of of cheating yeah yeah that's what people are saying they're saying it has to be beyond the

00:15:28.100 scope of fortification. I think that's true. You know, I could very easily see a scenario where

00:15:33.240 that happens again, and then the GOP just doesn't really do anything about it. I don't know the

00:15:37.600 extent to which state legislatures have actually cracked down on some things that maybe I mean,

00:15:42.240 I just saw a tweet the other day that was like, something, 20 something states don't even require

00:15:46.840 like ID to vote or something like that, which I don't know if there are a lot of red states that

00:15:50.340 are really at risk of losing because they for whatever reason haven't done this, it seems to

00:15:54.640 be like a GOP 101 sort of things that we need ID to vote. But I could see that happening because

00:15:59.940 the GOP, as much as it's willing to play ball with Trump or view him as like this temporary

00:16:04.920 irritant, I think that ultimately they are still not in the driver's seat being nationalists. I

00:16:10.120 think the Karl Rove class, the Bush class, those are the kinds of people who are still in the

00:16:14.680 driver's seat. And I think that they understand that what would cause that to no longer be the

00:16:20.200 case would be that second Trump administration. You know, the atmosphere of DC does change during

00:16:25.460 a Trump administration, the atmosphere changed between 2017 to 2020. In that city, it would

00:16:30.640 change again. And you really I mean, you asked like what the sort of bellwethers are, I think

00:16:35.000 it is that energy. I mean, maybe we can't articulate it properly. But I think everyone

00:16:38.360 understands that what Trump has created with his coalition with the energy that surrounds him as a

00:16:43.380 political figure is something that is truly unique and once in a lifetime. And it does really make

00:16:48.160 people believe that this country can be restored and made great again, in a way that's just

00:16:53.240 completely different from anything else that we've been offered, even including some of the

00:16:56.700 alternatives, some of the successors to his movement, whether it be DeSantis, who I like,

00:17:01.340 or Vivek Ramaswamy, who I generally like, like, even these people cannot quite match that they

00:17:06.420 cannot do this sort of Trump, but better as a premature alternative, which is what was tried

00:17:10.920 by DeSantis when he tried to run against Trump, ultimately to no success. But I think that he just

00:17:15.660 sort of has that it factor that they understand that they can't really contend with in a fair

00:17:20.920 contest and so their best bet is to just impede the administration to whatever extent they can

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00:19:10.220 more votes than anybody in the history of the world. Yeah. Apparently. So who are all these

00:19:15.820 people who are now going to vote for Trump and why, uh, what happened in the last four years

00:19:21.900 to change their minds why why why is trump out polling biden and why because what's going to be

00:19:28.380 required i think is is what the popular vote is going to be he needs like like what biden allegedly

00:19:34.220 had he needs a 10 million you know vote surplus on top of biden so uh who is going to provide that

00:19:43.260 for trump and why why are they changing their minds i don't know that he will get nor that he

00:19:48.900 needs the popular vote. I think that demographically, that window is pretty much closed

00:19:53.040 for conservatives in this country. But I do think that his polling with independents, because he

00:19:58.420 runs on issues that we win on with independents, things like immigration, trade policy, foreign

00:20:03.600 policy, things of that nature. And we mentioned the polling earlier. The issues that Democrats

00:20:08.520 poll with, like that is what is most important to the Democrat voter, are all abstractions.

00:20:13.280 It's things like democracy, climate change, things that aren't really real, things that

00:20:18.300 aren't really tangible to average voters. And so Trump has managed to actually realign the GOP

00:20:24.880 platform to be things that we do win on. And of course, there are a lot of consultants who are

00:20:29.220 paid a lot of money to try to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory and reorient his campaign to

00:20:34.120 be things that we don't win on. But I mean, yeah, he's winning not only with Republicans, obviously,

00:20:38.520 but with independencies up by a lot because he does have an answer for immigration policy,

00:20:43.620 which independents and Republicans alike are saying is the most important issue for them this

00:20:47.440 election cycle. And Democrats literally don't have an answer to immigration. I mean, if you say

00:20:51.740 immigration reform, that's a good focus group term, because it means, okay, well, you want to

00:20:56.220 reform it. What they mean by that, as Kamala Harris said recently, I think on CNN or one of

00:21:00.920 these networks, was that we have to have more judges, more human capital at the border, simply

00:21:06.420 to process these people so that they can more quickly enter into the country. Not that we

00:21:10.120 actually stop them, simply allow it to happen legally at a faster rate. But when Americans 0.75

00:21:16.240 say they are anxious about immigration that sounds like elon musk yeah i mean that's pretty much his

00:21:21.360 take it's like one billion americans yeah and it's like when i think of elon musk it's like

00:21:26.100 like i appreciate a lot of things but uh you don't get it you're not you're not there yet

00:21:32.540 i so i i tend to agree i try really hard to do these like mental gymnastics where i'm like okay

00:21:38.080 if i were the richest man in the world and i were trying to do things like this maybe i would say

00:21:42.320 I want a billion Americans if they can prove that they've worked harder, that they're intelligent,

00:21:47.520 knowing in my mind that that's impossible, but maybe it disarms the attacks or something. But

00:21:52.760 no, I completely agree with you that that's a ridiculous idea. But yes, insofar as Americans 0.95

00:21:58.820 express an anxiety about immigration, what that means is no, they need to stop coming in. And 0.99

00:22:03.680 many of them who are already here, they need to be deported. They need mass deportations. They need 1.00

00:22:08.060 these people to get out of the country. And they just don't have an answer for that, which is why

00:22:11.300 they have to have all of their messaging. Again, as you said earlier, the quality of life has

00:22:15.200 decreased under the Biden administration. These people don't even offer an increased quality of

00:22:19.660 life to their voters anymore. All of it is simply the other. It is simply threats to democracy,

00:22:24.780 insurrectionists, fascists. That is what we're... And so the average Biden voter is very happy

00:22:29.400 to even experience a lower material standard of living if they think that it is going to make

00:22:34.160 people like us upset, if their racist uncle at Thanksgiving is going to be upset. They're very

00:22:38.400 willing to make those sort of sacrifices in terms of their own standard of living if it means that 0.93

00:22:43.220 like we can own the chuds or something so all of their messaging is very palatable to their base 0.98

00:22:47.660 who cares about democracy cares about climate change or whatever but in terms of average people

00:22:52.320 who don't pay it close enough attention to the way that the country works to politics to really

00:22:57.820 have an opinion on things like that all they know is that gas is more expensive their grocery bills

00:23:02.460 are more expensive and things just generally seem to be weird i think that they're more likely to

00:23:07.480 vote for Trump, especially because Trump is very palatable to normal people because he's a cool

00:23:12.000 guy. He marries supermodels. He drives sports cars. He talks like a normal person. I mean,

00:23:17.560 he's going on podcasts and having two, three hour conversations with these pop culture figures.

00:23:22.500 And he's just like a cool guy. And that is something that is very important. I think

00:23:26.580 if Republicans want to win elections, maybe it wouldn't have been in the Reagan era. I mean,

00:23:31.020 Reagan was obviously very cool, but country was like what, 80, 90% white. Then the Democrats

00:23:36.180 haven't won a majority of the white votes since 1964. So that's very important for Republicans to

00:23:40.580 win elections. And if you can get white college kids excited about GOP politics because of Donald

00:23:45.320 Trump, I mean, that is sort of like a bottom of the barrel firing on all cylinders kind of 1.00

00:23:49.500 operation that we have to construct, because we can't count on the boomers to show out the way 0.88

00:23:53.680 that we used to be able to, because unfortunately, we're going to approach the great, you know, 0.99

00:23:57.340 the day of the pillow where all of the boomers begin to disappear, like 1% every year or something 0.95

00:24:02.420 like that. Right. Um, real quick shifting gears. So, I mean, it's still in the same vein, but I 0.97

00:24:09.240 live in Texas. We're a border state. Um, what do you think the chances are legitimately of Texas

00:24:16.180 turning blue? I think it's pretty much guaranteed if nothing drastic changes. Um, I don't think

00:24:21.800 it'll be 2024. Maybe it's purple or in 2028, but by 2032, 2036, yeah, it'll be a blue state. Um,

00:24:29.920 And I even I had an argument with my uncle over Thanksgiving, who is one of the smartest guys I know, because he has he's very sharp, but he also has just this wealth of knowledge.

00:24:40.220 But his problem is he knows too much. And so he gets caught into this labyrinth of his own mind, which has ultimately made him into like a Jonah Goldberg neocon. 0.80

00:24:47.780 And he was telling me about how I don't have to worry about that because there was a Democrat strategist who published some book 30 years ago about how Democrats were going to win permanently, you know, in the future because of the changing demographics.

00:25:00.700 And he said, actually, this guy's had to walk that back because it's not true.

00:25:04.020 If you look at, you know, what do you mean it's not true?

00:25:06.320 I looked at the margins that Republicans were winning Texas by during like the Bush years in 2000.

00:25:11.880 It's like 27 points.

00:25:13.360 Now it's like six.

00:25:14.560 So it is changing.

00:25:15.740 It is happening.

00:25:16.180 you see that pattern repeated all throughout the country. And so yeah, it certainly is going to be

00:25:20.680 a problem. And that is why it's very important for the keyword being mass deportations, needing to

00:25:25.500 repatriate these people, deport these people, because they're not assimilated. Assimilation 0.81

00:25:30.080 is probably not even possible. And until we deport, like literally 10s of millions of people, 0.97

00:25:35.360 which is completely possible, by the way, it's like everyone, that's impossible, it's totally

00:25:38.480 possible. I mean, the interstate highway system, manned space flights, these are things that are

00:25:42.600 more ambitious than the idea of putting people back across the border that they came over in

00:25:46.720 the first place. So yeah, if things like that don't happen, then Texas certainly will go blue,

00:25:51.820 not only because of mass immigration, but because of fertility rates. I mean, our fertility rate is

00:25:56.620 like what, sub two, theirs is like at least two, maybe even three or four in some cases, especially 1.00

00:26:01.560 they're coming over from a lot of these African countries. They simply multiply and that is just 0.96

00:26:07.620 not compatible for a right-wing government, a conservative government, even something

00:26:11.260 approximating or resembling an american government in this country let alone one that is in texas

00:26:16.080 texas being the red state that's so red it's the butt end of jokes i mean that is supposed to be the

00:26:21.500 epitome of right-wing government in the country and now all of a sudden it's actually contested

00:26:26.300 it's in competition they actually think it's a good use of democrat money to pour you know

00:26:30.740 however many millions of dollars into a beto o'rourke campaign or whomever right so i mean

00:26:37.240 you seem optimistic overall um but are you simply optimistic in the in your are you short-term

00:26:45.620 bullish um but long-term pessimistic in the sense that you know what you just described 2028 and

00:26:51.920 2020 you know looking at 2032 and you know uh because if we lose texas uh how do we win a

00:26:59.360 national election uh i i don't think that we do i i think you're right the uh the parties would

00:27:05.840 more or less continue their trajectory, you would have a Democrat party that is like outright

00:27:10.740 socialist, communist, whatever, to the extent that they're not already. And then the GOP would

00:27:15.240 more openly solidify itself as a sort of centrist party, again, to the extent that it's not already,

00:27:20.440 but you would have no prospect. It would be permanently cast out from the Overton window,

00:27:25.580 the idea of having legitimate nationalist right-wing governments in this country. That said,

00:27:29.920 I am optimistic only because we tend to see this sort of throughout history, these cycles where

00:27:36.420 when a population becomes widely immiserated, and when it feels as though it's no longer able

00:27:42.760 to be represented by its government, and when that population is capable of otherwise being

00:27:48.060 competent, Europeans, Americans, I mean, we are not a class of people who are easy to oppress

00:27:54.360 long term. And as you have, for example, all of these young white guys are very intelligent,

00:27:59.440 but they're being disenfranchised from opportunities, which otherwise they actually

00:28:03.060 would be entitled to because of DEI, affirmative action, what have you. These are the sort of

00:28:07.640 counter elites who eventually are going to find each other. And when the incumbent government

00:28:12.860 is no longer able to manage itself, I think that there is going to be a scenario, maybe in our

00:28:18.120 lifetime, maybe when I can still be young enough to have a say, where the population is going to

00:28:24.140 be able to sort of usurp that control and maybe establish something that would be more of a

00:28:30.140 vehicle for Americans to actually advocate on their own interests. I don't think that whatever

00:28:34.060 is happening right now is sustainable in the long term. And I think that they understand that,

00:28:38.540 which is why they pursue things like mass immigration, because it makes it substantially

00:28:41.980 more difficult for right-wing people to entertain ideas like that if all of a sudden we have 100

00:28:47.900 million new Americans here who aren't going to subscribe to our political platform. If we have

00:28:52.300 things like censorship, political persecution, we have political prisoners in DC right now,

00:28:56.340 all of these things to crack down on any sort of spark that would suggest something like that.

00:29:01.220 But ultimately, I think even if they delay it, however many decades, there will be a peak.

00:29:05.920 And there's no way that this coalition of people is going to be able to sustain the power that

00:29:09.100 they have now. I mean, the most sophisticated empire in the history of humanity is being run

00:29:13.700 by people who are theater kids, they are dorks, they're, you know, sexual degenerates, these are 1.00

00:29:18.020 not people who are intelligent. They're not capable. Um, and the people who constructed 1.00

00:29:22.320 this power apparatus were, they were very intelligent. They were very conniving people.

00:29:26.160 And I just don't think that their descendants are the same. And so, um, however many years

00:29:30.440 that takes is up for debate, but I don't think that's a, the bad guys win at the end. And then

00:29:35.140 also, I mean, we know how the story ends in the long enough timeline as well, where ultimately

00:29:39.460 these people are going, they're going to have very bad things happen to them. And we're all

00:29:43.640 going to hopefully go to heaven and be judged and they'll be held accountable. So I'm not

00:29:47.500 worried about it really at all. But even in my own lifetime, what I will leave behind for my

00:29:52.560 children, how the country looks, I think that that will be better than what is now.

00:29:56.600 Amen. Yeah, I am very optimistic and hopeful as well. And part of the reason why is one of the

00:30:02.600 things that shifted for me, and this is, it is very political, but it's also theological. And

00:30:08.380 to me, those lines are fairly blurred between the theological and the political. I view,

00:30:14.080 you know, politics in many ways is just theology, uh, theology that goes public. Uh, it's just

00:30:20.240 public theology. Um, it's what we believe, you know, because I, the left is, uh, extremely,

00:30:25.940 uh, religious and theological. Um, they just, they're, they're, you know, their religion is

00:30:31.660 a religion of demons and, uh, they worship Molech and, and pagan gods and it's more sophisticated 0.73

00:30:37.260 and wrapped in, you know, hashtag the science. Um, but it's, um, it's, I mean, shockingly similar to,

00:30:43.640 pagan deities from thousands of years ago it's you know just just with uh with a secular humanistic

00:30:50.460 uh darwinian spin uh in terms of their messaging but it's it's virtually the same so i think

00:30:55.980 everybody is uh inherently theological everyone's a theologian you're just you know not whether but

00:31:00.660 which you're you're a good one or a bad one and uh and then insofar as your theology is applied

00:31:05.940 pushed to the margins in the public sphere uh that that becomes your politics so all that being said

00:31:11.240 my politics and theology has continually evolved. And I think that that is a positive thing because

00:31:17.520 I think that's just the process of sanctification, that as we grow and are shaped more into the image

00:31:22.100 and likeness of Christ, our character should improve, our theology should improve, and so

00:31:27.440 should our courage. Our spine is steeled and strengthened, and we're willing to take our

00:31:33.320 convictions out into the public square and say that Christ is king, and not just in the 17th

00:31:38.120 dimension, but Christ is King ruling and reigning. He's King of Kings over every nation. And that

00:31:43.400 means something. And, and so all that being said, part of what gives me optimism is for the longest

00:31:50.280 time, I thought in terms of that change had to be bottom up. It had to be bottom up. So I thought

00:31:58.660 as a, as a preacher and as a pastor, I thought that our only hope of change is revival, you know,

00:32:03.720 revival or bust, which is a good sentiment. I get it. I get it. And I support that in many ways.

00:32:11.180 I would say revival, but I wouldn't say revival or bust. I would say revival, Lord, please,

00:32:16.280 please send revival. But it's not the only way that cultures change. And historically,

00:32:21.360 and here's the funny thing. If I look at church history, the last 2000 years, but then also

00:32:26.540 biblical Old Testament history, predominantly with Israel, but not only Israel, you look at

00:32:31.840 the king of Nineveh who declares, you know, for the entire city, you're going to fast. It's not

00:32:37.640 as though every single heart, individual heart of every individual person was regenerate and born

00:32:44.060 again and became a Christian in Nineveh. I think many were, but there were probably people who

00:32:49.560 were still unbelievers who died in their sin and went to hell. But the king says, you will be put

00:32:56.980 to death if you don't put on sackcloth and ashes and fast for three days um and lo and behold wow

00:33:04.240 you actually can legislate morality and you can you can legislate religious morality so my point

00:33:09.120 is there is bottom up and i do think there have been occasions where um there's grassroots bottom

00:33:14.520 up it's it's pulpits it's preachers it's churches it's christians uh sharing the gospel and enough

00:33:21.120 people get saved and have new hearts and new minds, and then they vote in better politicians,

00:33:28.500 better leaders who legislate better laws. That can happen. But the problem is, and this is what

00:33:33.860 I really wish evangelicals especially would begin to understand, I think that it's not just, I think

00:33:40.240 evangelicals, Protestants especially, would want to say, well, you know, we haven't had a majority

00:33:46.620 of Christians for a very, very long time, maybe not even ever. And this is how they would try to

00:33:54.720 justify that claim. They would say, yeah, sure, a lot of people profess Christ, but they weren't

00:33:58.600 really Christians. They weren't sincere. They weren't really born again. It was just the

00:34:02.800 cultural Christianity. It was just the language, the jargon of the day, but they weren't really

00:34:09.740 Christians. Whereas I, at this point in my life, I would look back and say, no, I think we really 0.71

00:34:13.740 did have numbers on our side and not just a majority of professing Christians, but I think

00:34:17.800 that we have had, even in our recent past, not just our founding, but our recent past,

00:34:21.700 a majority of genuine born again Christians in this country, not that long ago. And the numbers

00:34:28.060 still weren't enough because you actually have to have, you can't just have numbers. You need a big

00:34:32.780 army, but you need a trained army. You need an army that actually knows what it's doing. And so

00:34:38.120 we had the numbers on our side, but if in church all these butts are in pews and even these butts

00:34:45.300 actually are attached to regenerate hearts that really do love Jesus, but those hearts are then 0.90

00:34:50.020 attached to ignorant, mushy minds that have no idea about theology being applied outside of just 0.52

00:34:56.160 the eternal, but that the temporal does matter as well. And God, he wrote a pretty big book. It's 0.97

00:35:01.800 not a 30-page pamphlet. It's a pretty big book, and it says things about all of life and not just

00:35:06.580 the way to get to heaven. If it was just a way to get to heaven, you know, a 30-page Bible,

00:35:10.760 that'll do, you know, but we have a big book and it speaks to all of life. And so all that being

00:35:16.260 said, my point is, as I've looked at that, I realized, okay, yes, there could be grassroots,

00:35:21.000 there could be revival, and then there could actually even be good preaching that applies

00:35:25.080 all of Christ for all of life and trains, not only saves hearts through the gospel,

00:35:31.260 but then trains minds through discipleship. And eventually that applies to better politicians who

00:35:35.900 make better laws. That can't happen. Historically though, and in terms of biblical history,

00:35:40.540 the lion's share, it's not even close. It shocked me that the last couple of years as I started

00:35:45.260 researching this, I'm talking 90% plus of the time it's not bottom up. When a culture radically

00:35:51.800 changes and becomes more righteous, it is over 90% of the time top down. And you can see that

00:35:58.720 in the reverse, less than 3% of the population over the last 40 years, namely the sodomites, 0.98

00:36:04.680 in 40 years with less than 3% of the population, they literally replaced the American flag with 0.77

00:36:10.600 a rainbow. I mean, kudos. That's impressive. That really is impressive. But that just proves 0.59

00:36:16.340 the point that a organized, informed, strategic, iron-willed minority can do incredible things.

00:36:26.180 And so you look at Israel and you get Jehu or even better, you get Josiah and they come in

00:36:32.640 and they don't wait for revival uh with with the grassroots you know we need 50 plus one 0.60

00:36:38.040 regenerate hearts that want to see they just come and say sorry the the human sacrifice will stop

00:36:43.400 and they start like take hammers and bust down uh altars to idols and say you will not be a pagan

00:36:51.820 idolater i'm sorry you know and and then you think of america that's what we did here that's what

00:36:56.580 all over western civilization that's what it was it's you know it's going into india and saying 0.59

00:37:01.240 I'm sorry to be so oppressive, but you're not allowed to bury your living wife with her dead

00:37:07.120 husband and kill her anymore. I'm sorry. I'm sorry to be oppressive. So all that being said,

00:37:11.860 I am optimistic because one, God really could send revival and really could change hearts.

00:37:16.840 And maybe we could have learned some lessons and we preach not just the things that are eternal,

00:37:20.640 but also the things that are temporal, not just Jesus in the 17th dimension, but Jesus as King

00:37:25.560 reigning here and now, and that that applies to every realm of life, including politics. And then

00:37:30.820 we get better politicians and better legislation, but that could happen. But I am very bullish and

00:37:37.200 optimistic because I also think that we can win one of two ways. And I actually think the second

00:37:42.040 way is more likely, but it's just as viable, if not even more viable. We could get a small group

00:37:48.860 of men who love Jesus and love this country and have a brain and have a spine and are willing to

00:37:57.140 use it, who could eventually come into power in a very disenchanted and discouraged nation

00:38:04.460 that in many ways is giving up and kind of the death throes of this Western suicide.

00:38:11.580 And they rise to power and take the reins and say, enough is enough.

00:38:17.560 We will have righteous laws.

00:38:20.040 And then here's the thing within the Reformed tradition, the three uses, the three Reformed

00:38:25.120 uses of the law of God. One of them is that it's not that the law saves people, but the law does

00:38:30.440 work in conjunction with the gospel that does save people in the sense that the law works as

00:38:35.480 a tutor. So when you get righteous laws, you don't instantly get regenerate hearts, but what you do

00:38:41.780 get is you get righteous laws that actually, if they accurately reflect God's law, if the law of

00:38:48.860 the land reflects God's eternal law, one thing that happens is that actually disciples the populace

00:38:54.980 and reveals to them, oh, I'm actually wicked.

00:38:58.440 I'm actually degenerate.

00:38:59.580 I'm actually a sinner.

00:39:00.720 I need a savior.

00:39:01.740 And so righteous politicians who enact righteous laws

00:39:05.940 actually serve as the alley-oop for righteous pastors

00:39:10.040 to preach the gospel and the savior who actually saves.

00:39:14.800 And then revival, it's not that we can get it

00:39:17.620 without revival.

00:39:18.440 The question is chicken or the egg.

00:39:20.220 The question is the order.

00:39:21.900 It's not that we can get change without revival,

00:39:23.920 but this idea that revival has to happen first before political change is not actually bared

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00:41:57.400 your free 30-minute consultation today. I think you're absolutely correct. You know,

00:42:02.620 it'd be one thing if men were taking a walk downtown and they were going to a brothel and 0.99

00:42:08.500 they were drinking and gambling and having sex with prostitutes. And, you know, that's one thing. 0.99

00:42:13.160 But it's another thing where you have a society where a man can't even go on his phone or walk

00:42:18.280 anywhere without seeing pornography and gambling advertisements and all. Vice and smut is marketed

00:42:24.100 everywhere. It's been commodified. And maybe to a certain extent, it always has been. But certainly

00:42:28.940 the ability for men to try to stay on the righteous path without being so impeded by the forces of

00:42:34.260 Satan is so pernicious now. And it is difficult to reach people. And it is difficult to communicate

00:42:40.560 the message of Christ to people when their souls are being so militantly corroded and polluted by

00:42:45.780 sin because people just decided that we should allow that. You know, I have a business, you have

00:42:50.020 a business, what's the difference? Well, there is a little bit of a difference actually. And I also

00:42:53.640 think you're absolutely right about the sort of top-down nature of change where history has really

00:42:57.620 only changed. And as much as the left and the academics have tried to dispute this because

00:43:01.500 they make a living disputing this and being, you know, theory cells as it were, history has really

00:43:06.480 only changed when a group of men have gotten together and decided that it's time for that to

00:43:09.860 happen. And Christianity in particular has always been at its peak when it's a militant imposing

00:43:14.200 force. When we say, actually, no, sorry, the human sacrifices will stop. Actually, no, we're not 0.75

00:43:19.480 going to do this anymore. And maybe you can't change someone's heart by cutting off the ability

00:43:25.120 of sin to influence their lives to the extent that it was prior. Who really knows a man's heart

00:43:30.360 other than God? But as you said, you can make it a lot easier for people to stay on that path and

00:43:36.080 be more receptive to hearing God's word. And I remember there was an event, it was at a gay bar

00:43:42.280 in Dallas and I bring this story up quite often because it lives rent free in my head because it 1.00

00:43:47.080 made me so angry but there was this gay bar in Dallas and they were having one of these drag

00:43:51.100 events for kids and so they're bringing kids to this bar and there were like neon signs on the 1.00

00:43:55.660 you know that said like it's not going to lick itself and there's all these these single moms 0.94

00:43:59.860 and their little boys and they're bringing them to go watch these transvestite strippers so I 0.95

00:44:03.760 assembled a group of young men and we showed up and we had a megaphone and we were confronting 0.79

00:44:09.520 these people. And then we had guys that were inside undercover and they were filming. And

00:44:14.360 then that footage ended up going viral. It was on Tucker Carlson. And that event actually started

00:44:18.220 the drag queen story, our discourse. And you'll remember, and I'm sure anyone watching knows that

00:44:23.180 this has been sort of a thing for years. I mean, we've been talking about this since 2018, 2019,

00:44:27.420 but in terms of it becoming a huge thing and in legislations being proposed, it was because of

00:44:32.360 that event at Mr. Mister over in Dallas. So after that event, I was reached out to by a number of

00:44:37.900 different people to do interviews. And one of them was a Christian podcast. And I don't remember

00:44:44.120 the name, but it was these three guys. And they brought me on and they were asking me about that

00:44:48.300 event. And I realized about five minutes into it, it was actually like an ambush, because I guess

00:44:52.800 they had been disparaging what we did prior. And then they brought me on. And they were basically

00:44:57.580 like, why did you think that you know, you could go in there and ask that I think the question that

00:45:02.360 I asked was like, why do you want to put an axe wound in between your son's legs? And you know,

00:45:07.040 these clips go viral, whatever. And people are thinking this is great. It was good. We need to

00:45:12.260 shame these people. But then I had these three Christians and they were like, why didn't you 1.00

00:45:15.680 just pray for them? Why didn't you just recite scripture to them? I was like, well, I mean,

00:45:20.060 I do pray for my enemies. I pray for the deliverance of my enemies. But also I think at a certain time

00:45:25.320 you have to maybe do something that's more, I don't know, street activism. Well, oh, so you

00:45:30.380 think that you know better than God? You think that what you did is more powerful than scripture?

00:45:34.640 No, that's not what I'm saying.

00:45:36.060 So people get very in the weeds and they get very much so, like I think we were talking

00:45:40.380 about before we started, where they don't really have to do anything except pray because

00:45:44.540 ultimately it's in God's hands and whatever happens is God's plan.

00:45:47.700 And so they're very okay with simply going to church and praying.

00:45:51.200 I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that, but they seem to defer all activities

00:45:55.240 to the enemies of God.

00:45:56.720 Anything that happens in the world, well, we don't really have to do anything because

00:45:59.660 ultimately it's God's plan and he wins in the end.

00:46:02.120 And so we don't really have to try to build a better world to the extent that we can for our children.

00:46:06.080 We can simply just like sit back and allow the agents of the devil to do what they will because we know that we win in the end. 0.57

00:46:12.260 And I think that's been a very subversive and weakening message for Christians because when I go to mass, I don't really see a lot of guys who look like me. 0.98

00:46:21.640 I mean, I see a lot of women.

00:46:23.060 I see a lot of children.

00:46:24.100 I don't see any young men.

00:46:25.520 I don't really see a lot of husbands.

00:46:26.780 But then this happened a couple of years ago.

00:46:29.080 There was a sermon that went viral.

00:46:30.900 the pastor who was going very fire and brimstone style, traditionalist Baptist, I guess. And he

00:46:38.200 was at a church that was nearby actually in Texas. And so I stopped by because I was like,

00:46:43.160 I want to hear what this guy has to say because he went on a especially homophobic rant that was

00:46:48.440 making the news. And so I attended one of his sermons. I think it's called, I've never been

00:46:52.620 to a Protestant service before other than that. But I noticed there were a lot of young guys in

00:46:57.580 there. And not necessarily because they loved what he was saying about, you know, what Romans

00:47:02.040 has to say about how you should treat sodomites. But it was interesting to see how the demographics

00:47:07.720 of the parishioners change when the message is much more militant and imposing and strong as

00:47:15.620 opposed to what I often hear during Catholic services, which is much more, hey, just try to

00:47:20.840 like be nice to people and, you know, be compassionate to your neighbor and love your

00:47:24.760 neighbor and things like and i'm not saying that's bad but you know the messaging does sort of have

00:47:29.120 to i think at this point should be obvious should be more militaristic more more imposing on yeah

00:47:35.580 because it needs to be a muscular christian otherwise exactly amen no i i completely agree

00:47:40.820 and for those three guys who you know the these you know christian guys who did that podcast and

00:47:47.200 ambushed you and said well why don't you know you think you know better than god i mean well

00:47:51.080 what you did um is supported in scripture so it's not that you did something you know thinking that

00:47:57.380 my my uh audible that i'm going to run here is a superior to scripture no i you're you're that's

00:48:03.600 god's play that's god that's straight out of god's playbook i mean we we see example after

00:48:08.640 example of confronting false prophets and um and taking them to the mat and even using satire

00:48:15.960 using mockery, all these kinds of things. These are godly things, and there is a place and time

00:48:22.060 for it. We don't necessarily need to go and mock our own grandmother because she's incorrect on

00:48:28.740 some secondary or tertiary theological topic, but mockery for prophets of Baal and mockery for 0.95

00:48:36.860 worshipers of Molech who are high up leaders and priestess who are trying to denigrate all of 0.85

00:48:44.480 society. That's what Elijah did. And it was honorable in the sight of God to say, hey, 1.00

00:48:49.500 you know what? You've been crying out to Baal all day long. He's not listening. Maybe he needs a 0.68

00:48:55.060 little blood. Why don't you start cutting yourselves? Why don't you start chopping 1.00

00:48:58.940 yourself to pieces? Maybe he's taking a dump. Maybe he's in the bathroom. Maybe you could 1.00

00:49:04.280 just shout a little louder. And then the final outcome of all of that is when it's all said and

00:49:10.540 done and Yahweh proves that he is the true God and that all other gods are false, then one of

00:49:16.680 the things that Israel continually does, good Israel, there's a lot of bad stories where Israel

00:49:22.160 fails and it just magnifies the grace and mercy and righteousness of God. But in Israel's heyday

00:49:28.260 and their bright and shining moments that are fairly few and far between, but when they're

00:49:32.540 doing well, they don't just win a battle, but it's very intentional. They don't just win a battle,

00:49:39.040 but they follow up, they run them down, run them down. And, uh, you know, so Elijah, he puts the

00:49:44.060 prophets of ball to, to death. And I'm not saying, you know, for the listener that that's a one-to-one 0.70

00:49:48.240 ratio in the literal sense. Uh, but what I am saying is that, you know, conservatives and

00:49:52.280 especially Christians, um, you know, one of the ways that we, you know, we, uh, we, for out of

00:49:57.860 the jaws of victory, you know, we snatch defeat is, um, we don't follow up. We don't, we don't

00:50:02.560 ever give the death blow. Um, I, I feel like, you know, I've said this before. I think conservatives

00:50:06.680 and christians are uh just perpetual they're perpetually like batman you know like they will

00:50:12.360 uh they will uh subdue and capture joker um but they'll never put him down you know they just they

00:50:18.680 take him and they put him in the jail cell and they know he's gonna get out you know but it's

00:50:22.820 and it's almost like uh it's almost at this point intentional i don't even think it's just this this

00:50:27.300 uh faux compassion at first i thought you know well it's just misguided compassion and you know

00:50:33.360 and a misunderstanding of the teachings of Christ to love neighbor and,

00:50:36.500 you know,

00:50:36.600 love your enemy and pray for those who purge.

00:50:38.220 I don't think that's it.

00:50:39.060 I think it's actually very intentional.

00:50:40.420 I think it's I think it's a clear,

00:50:43.220 simple strategy to stay employed,

00:50:45.620 right.

00:50:46.080 To keep your job.

00:50:47.400 You,

00:50:47.940 you need Batman needs Joker,

00:50:51.180 right?

00:50:51.420 Because otherwise he's just a vigilante and really Gotham is already kind of

00:50:55.580 on the fence deciding,

00:50:56.740 you know,

00:50:56.880 they can't quite make up their mind if they like Batman or if they hate him.

00:51:00.040 And so,

00:51:00.800 you know,

00:51:01.020 Batman kind of needs Joker.

00:51:02.220 And I think, you know, Christians and conservatives kind of need, you know, drag queen story out of these guys. 0.64

00:51:09.640 And the reality is we don't.

00:51:11.260 We absolutely don't.

00:51:12.660 But I think that we have some nefarious guys behind, not just on the opposing team, but behind our own lines.

00:51:20.760 And so anyways, all that being said, what you did, I fully support.

00:51:24.300 I think scripture, more importantly, supports.

00:51:26.540 There is a place for going into the belly of the beast.

00:51:30.040 And, you know, Ephesians says, take no part in the deeds done in darkness, but then it doesn't

00:51:36.760 stop there. It continues in the same verse and says, take no part in the deeds that are done

00:51:41.760 in darkness, but rather expose them. So it's not just a void, but the Bible actually does call us

00:51:48.480 to not just a defensive, you know, evade and avoid, but an offensive, muscular, militant

00:51:54.320 Christianity that goes behind enemy lines and doesn't just avoid sin, but exposes it for what

00:52:00.600 it is and puts the enemies of God to flight. Yeah, I'm so glad, too, to hear you bring up 0.85

00:52:06.860 the Batman analogy for the way that the right functions, because it's absolutely correct. I've

00:52:11.260 often thought about it similarly to, I believe, an episode of maybe it was Tom and Jerry or the

00:52:16.800 Roadrunner cartoons, where I think the coyote actually caught the Roadrunner, and then he held

00:52:22.380 up a sign that was like, what now? He like, let him go because there has to be that chase. There

00:52:26.240 has to be that conflict because it's entertainment. It's a show. The show has to go on. And it's the

00:52:31.320 same thing with the way that the right has existed in this country for the last 60, 70 years, where

00:52:36.240 you look at all of the purges that have happened. And I bring this up because I'm working on a

00:52:40.600 video about this, this sort of history of right-wing cancel culture and how ever since the

00:52:45.340 end of World War II, there have been these characters, various organizations and publications

00:52:49.700 who have canceled, who have purged people who they viewed to be too edgy, too taboo or whatever,

00:52:56.640 not respectable as, you know, William F. Buckley would have said. And they've kicked these people

00:53:00.780 who are frankly serious, intelligent, capable people out of the movement because they wanted

00:53:05.300 to continue business as usual. And what's interesting about the history of that is as

00:53:09.080 much as we would like to view these sort of kingpins of the conservative movement as these

00:53:14.100 like, uh, villains or these ideologues who are like, you know, you went too far on immigration

00:53:19.660 or you went too far on race or, you know, Zionism or something. And we can't have that. What it

00:53:24.680 usually is, is actually closer to what you described, which is they are allowed to exist

00:53:28.900 because they're not threatening. Sure. Maybe they have a vague interest in politics, but they're

00:53:33.000 not these like convicted ideologues in most cases. And the opinions of these characters

00:53:37.800 are viewed to be low class by maybe them, but more importantly, by the left establishment

00:53:42.700 who allows them to exist and make so many hundreds of millions of dollars.

00:53:46.560 Conservative activism is like a billion-dollar industry.

00:53:49.000 I mean, there's so much money that goes into this versus the victories that it delivers, which are none.

00:53:53.740 And so what it tends to be is that these people are maybe personally off-putting.

00:53:57.580 They have views that maybe aren't necessarily, oh, you can't say that, but it's much more like, why would you say that?

00:54:02.920 It's this very catty high school type of drama, and that's what technically or what tends to get these people ousted from these establishments.

00:54:10.820 I mean, sometimes it is like you crossed a line. You can't do that. But what's interesting is that even dating back to the National Review all the way up to now, it tends to be much more of, like you said, people just trying to stay employed because they make a lot of money when the country is in turmoil and they get to come out and tell you why that is.

00:54:27.400 They don't actually want to move the ball down the field. They don't actually want the country to be better because if the country is better, what are they going to talk about? People might go back to grilling and watching football. You know, they're not going to listen to your podcast or tune into you on Fox News to tell to tell them what's going on in the country.

00:54:40.380 You know, so there tends to be this pattern where it's much more about exactly that is preserving, you know, this sort of controlled opposition, faux opposition party, simply because there is so much money to be made, siphoning dollars away from well-meaning American patriots into the consultants and the pundits and the talking heads or what have you, as opposed to actually legitimate organizations that can they can achieve victories for the people over whom they represent or they govern.

00:55:06.400 you're absolutely right and you know that because you're right that reality exists on both sides

00:55:12.780 and what i mean is you know that cnn will never say it out loud but they are praying to whatever

00:55:18.400 god they believe in when the doors are closed in private that trump is elected so that maybe

00:55:23.320 maybe they could save their organization with their revenue and they're not yeah i mean trump

00:55:28.160 would be fantastic for cnn these last four years without him have been terrible i mean they're you

00:55:34.820 know firing people left and right closing doors their whatever cnn plus app was like like a joke

00:55:42.340 i mean they were just the you know they were the the premier item of mockery uh for for liberals

00:55:48.880 and leftists and conservatives for months and so um that exists on both sides there are uh there

00:55:55.540 are bad actors on the conservative side that want to continually um they they don't want to give the

00:56:01.720 death blow to joker in fact some of them are so nefarious that uh they might actually be

00:56:06.740 responsible for breaking into the prison at night and letting joker out uh so they still have a job

00:56:11.440 the next morning and then uh but that that reality exists on both sides um so on the left there

00:56:16.680 there certainly are people who you know they can never say it out loud but they're hoping

00:56:21.000 for a trump election so they have something uh to talk about for the next four years

00:56:24.880 so anyways all that being said let's go ahead and as we're landing the plane we won't spend as

00:56:29.240 much time on this, but for my listeners, if you're tuning in and you haven't heard me talk about this

00:56:35.520 topic in the past, go and check out, I think a few weeks ago on our live stream. So we do a Wednesday

00:56:43.600 live stream at 4 p.m. Central Time. You can go back and check it out with me and my comrades in

00:56:48.840 arms, Michael Belch and Wesley Todd. We discuss Zionism. And so if you want to hear my theological

00:56:54.800 take on the theological aspect of zionism and uh and the problems with that and what the scripture

00:57:02.160 says about that and and uh an exegesis of romans chapter 11 are there any future promises left for

00:57:08.340 israel and how should christians relate to the nation state of israel today and all these kinds

00:57:13.020 of things if you want to hear the theological side uh then go go back and check out that video

00:57:17.640 i also did a video months ago with andrew isker on the same subject that i think was very helpful

00:57:21.900 and informative. That said, I would like for you, John Doyle, if you're willing to do what I think

00:57:28.200 you do really well, which is history. I think you're really good on history, especially for a

00:57:32.980 24-year-old. It's convicting. It makes me think, what have I done with my life? I need to step up

00:57:38.800 my game. But you are very well-read when it comes to history. And so I was wondering if you could

00:57:45.600 share with our listeners here at the end of the episode some of the history of Zionism.

00:57:51.900 Well, do you mean like literally the establishments of the Israeli state or do you mean whatever you feel comfortable sharing, particularly some of the things that you and I were discussing before we hit record?

00:58:03.940 Yeah, you know, Zionism is something that is very taboo to discuss in conservative circles.

00:58:08.900 And I think the reason for that is because with Zionism, with anything pertaining to Jewish representation in media government, there tends to be this like very zero to 60 component where it can start with like, well, you know, do we really need to be sending them $4 billion? 0.51

00:58:22.960 Are these foreign wars really in our interest? 0.80

00:58:25.220 And then very quickly, it can sort of accelerate into like Nazi LARPing, because there's something about the right, the younger right, the internet, they love sort of getting into this edgy stuff, because a lot of them view content or political content to be much more about entertainment, and they want you to just sort of take it there and be really edgy.

00:58:42.460 So it makes it difficult to discuss this at a sort of more reasonable perspective, because there's all this pressure to, you know, take it to the extent that these people want, because they've been desensitized to the more baseline, reasonable anti-Zionist content.

00:58:55.540 And they want you to start, you know, talking about some of the more taboo stuff within that realm of discussion.

00:59:00.980 And so similarly to how like when the alt-right was at its peak, it was difficult for more mainstream figures to discuss things like immigration or foreign policy or things like that, because you had the alt-right who, well, maybe that started as a more intelligent movement and quickly devolved into that sort of Nazi LARPing.

00:59:17.420 And so it was only when the alt-right imploded that Donald Trump and especially Tucker Carlson could come out and start doing monologues that were speaking about things like immigration, foreign policy in a way that was more akin to the American tradition because they didn't have that sort of boogeyman figure there to attach to them and make those positions radioactive.

00:59:34.140 because we know as people who are on the right, there is nobody who wants to believe in the

00:59:40.380 existence of the real racists and the real Nazis more than our people. And so it's not enough to

00:59:46.580 say, well, you know, we can say whatever we want because the left is going to call us racist anyway.

00:59:51.260 Our voters, our base are like looking for the real racists and the real Nazis more than even

00:59:56.180 the left are. And so if you express anything that is even maybe sympathetic to things that are viewed

01:00:02.100 as those great taboos, they are not going to support you. They are going to want to be alienated

01:00:07.480 from you and just have nothing to do with you, which is unfortunately not conducive to achieving

01:00:11.400 political victory in this country. We can talk about why, we can lament why, but that is more

01:00:15.880 or less the case. Whereas if you approach these things from a very common sense, nationalist,

01:00:20.580 America first perspective, it's not about this bad thing. It's about this. And I just want to

01:00:25.280 put America first. Well, that's something that's sympathetic to American voters. And even Tucker

01:00:29.420 Carlson was just in Fort Worth, for example, uh, giving a speech at some Republican organization

01:00:34.340 and he was discussing immigration and how we need to have mass deportations. We need to have an 0.78

01:00:39.460 immigration moratorium. And he kept repeating, and it's not about race and it's not about 0.99

01:00:44.040 nationality. It's just, I just want to common sense. And you know, he's getting applause people

01:00:47.760 and they love this guy. Now, if I were 18 or 19, I would have been in the audience and I've been

01:00:52.620 like, well, yes, it is. And it is about that. You're not, your messaging is bad. But now that

01:00:58.000 I think I'm a little bit more mature. I'd be like, look, it is what it is. The average person

01:01:02.180 doesn't need to know all of the facts about how these issues are. All they need is to know that

01:01:07.080 the political victory has been achieved. If my messaging and this guy's messaging both lead to

01:01:12.020 the same policy being enacted, who really cares at that point what people are hearing or what

01:01:18.240 they believe about the particular things related to these issues. So with all of that being said,

01:01:23.880 I tend to take a much more practical, pragmatic approach to these issues. And I think that right

01:01:27.980 now because it's very popular, especially since the October events, to come out and really buy 0.73

01:01:34.380 at the dip or get in on this market, so to speak, because talking about Israel, Zionism, that's

01:01:38.820 always been very taboo. But now that there's all this attention being given to it because of what's

01:01:42.700 going on with Israel and Palestine, again, people can sort of get in and, you know, decide the

01:01:47.640 parameters of that discussion. And it makes it difficult to discuss it from a more reasonable

01:01:51.400 angle because you're competing for volume with people who are discussing some of the more

01:01:57.160 interesting things about world war ii or european history or what have you and if i had to put my

01:02:02.960 tinfoil hat on i would say that that's probably just the recycled play of organizations like the

01:02:07.960 adl who have found it very beneficial to always have these sort of clown show anti-semitism

01:02:14.060 movements going on in the country whenever there is a serious right wing that is starting to sprout

01:02:18.900 and sort of become itself because they can then send that to their donors and then their donors

01:02:24.120 get really scared because, wait a minute, the Nazi threat's real and they send them a lot of

01:02:27.680 money. And that money then goes to crush legitimate right-wing organization, legitimate right-wing 0.58

01:02:32.320 opposition, much more than the sort of bottom-up. If everyone just names them, well, then we're

01:02:38.240 actually going to make America great again. And it's like, okay, great. Good luck with that. But

01:02:43.240 a lot of that tends to just be putting pressure on Donald Trump, for example, to take a hard

01:02:47.080 position on Zionism, which then either A, alienates the evangelicals who vote for him like nine to one,

01:02:53.380 who he needs to win or B makes him seem like you know some shill and then all the base people hate

01:02:59.580 him or whatever that's like what the whole Kanye West thing was was getting him to you know take

01:03:03.760 a position on an issue where he really can't win uh and then also ambushing him causing you know

01:03:08.100 the greatest PR crisis for him since J6 with a Mar-a-Lago dinner whereas you look at the statement

01:03:12.660 that he gave recently it was perfect people what do you think about what's going on in Israel he

01:03:16.140 says well you know I don't really like a lot of it but it's got to end quickly it's got it was a

01:03:20.500 very neutral, very, you know, not exactly alienating Zionist evangelicals, not exactly

01:03:25.540 alienating people who are more sympathetic to the Palestinians or whatever, who don't like a lot of

01:03:29.960 the footage that they're seeing coming out of Israel. It was perfect. It was very Trumpian. 0.93

01:03:33.660 He's answering the question, but at the same time, not really answering the question. And it's great.

01:03:37.320 Like that is good messaging. That is classic Trumpian messaging. And so things like that,

01:03:42.020 I think are much more effective than whatever the proposed alternative is.

01:03:45.140 so what do you think about some of the history of how did this how did america

01:03:55.720 from a historical perspective become get to the point where we think like we legitimately think

01:04:04.040 that israel is our greatest ally well i think that's uh you know we mentioned before we started

01:04:10.020 taping a lot of the theology behind it. I think there was a very malicious agenda to reorient

01:04:16.960 the Christian understanding of the Israeli states to be something that is actually a fulfillment of

01:04:22.000 their understanding of how the historical cycle is supposed to play out. And typically when

01:04:27.860 Christians wave an Israeli flag, or you'll see one that's flying under an American flag, 0.72

01:04:32.700 they view that almost to be a sort of stand-in for what they should be entitled to, which is

01:04:37.700 like a militant christian force they view the existence of an israeli state as you know

01:04:42.100 christianity imposing itself on the world because maybe there are some historical sites that haven't

01:04:46.980 been destroyed yet uh maybe they're you know there's some reference to scripture that says

01:04:51.840 you know god blesses those who bless israel whatever they view it as something that is

01:04:55.940 ultimately good for them and maybe it's misguided but i think it's ultimately well-meaning um and so

01:05:00.860 i think it's been a lot of effective lobbying it's been a lot of effective messaging uh and

01:05:05.300 reorienting like we said that understanding of christianity to be something that is ultimately

01:05:09.660 in fulfillments of you know god's chosen people or what have you to me the irony is that um

01:05:17.580 christians many many christians not all but definitely the majority are very very pro-israel

01:05:24.660 and what you just articulated is interesting because you're saying that that part of the

01:05:28.340 reason they're pro-israel is because they view that israeli flag underneath the american flag

01:05:32.940 as almost synonymous with if i had an american in my front yard i had an american flag and then

01:05:39.420 a christian flag of a cross yeah and they view it as interchangeable right i can have you know

01:05:44.400 the star of david or i could have a cross you know and tomato tomato um and i find that ironic 0.75

01:05:50.180 and and i find it to be frank disheartening and tragic um because talmudic judaism which is what 0.78

01:05:58.540 we have today um is one of the most hostile world religions right there are fringe cults you know

01:06:06.780 satanist for instance or wiccans you know that might be able to give it a run for its money but 0.91

01:06:11.540 in terms of major world religions islam buddhism hinduism talmudic judaism stands head and shoulders

01:06:20.000 above the rest in terms of its hostility towards christian faith um i mean you you just there's no

01:06:27.800 way around just the common sense conclusions that a Muslim denies the deity of Christ and that 0.99

01:06:36.120 denial apart from repentance that comes by grace that denial will send that Muslim to hell and 1.00

01:06:44.420 either of us are saying that with joy or with a smile on our face that is tragic and we pray that 1.00

01:06:50.560 God in his mercy would reveal himself in his son Jesus Christ to that Muslim that they would be

01:06:57.500 born again. But here's my point. Their denial of the deity of Christ is enough to send them to

01:07:03.720 hell. But they still, this isn't saving, but the Muslim still believes that Jesus, although not 1.00

01:07:11.100 the son of God, and that's a big deal, they still believe that Jesus is a pretty good guy in a

01:07:17.700 general sense. He's a prophet. He's honorable. I mean, he's up there. He is up there. Same with

01:07:25.400 Buddhism. Same with Hinduism. Talmudic Judaism believes that Jesus should have been boiled 0.94

01:07:31.480 alive in urine. That is unique. And I do wish that more Christians were aware 0.99

01:07:39.520 that in terms of Christian faith, politically, that's another topic. But theologically,

01:07:48.040 spiritually speaking, you can be a Buddhist Jew. This is just a fact. You can be a Buddhist Jew. 0.74

01:07:52.940 you can be a muslim jew you can be a hindu jew you can be an atheist jew you can be a gay jew 0.96

01:07:58.180 there's only one jew you can't be you cannot be a christian jew the entire religion is based on 0.61

01:08:05.160 one primary doctrine which is the rejection of christ as the messiah yeah i think that's a the

01:08:12.540 flag to being perceived as that symbol is very disturbing and inverted for exactly the reason

01:08:19.040 you mentioned, which is, you know, it's either a flag that represents the establishment of a

01:08:24.120 secular Jewish state upon land where Christ walked, or in its more modern form, it's the

01:08:30.440 establishment of a religious Jewish state, which is, of course, defined by the rejection of Christ.

01:08:35.060 So in either way that that flag could be, you know, understood historically, it is in opposite

01:08:39.920 to how the American Christian is perceiving it, which, you know, you speak to them, they may,

01:08:44.160 you know, recite the talking points about greatest ally and God blesses those, but they really do

01:08:48.680 believe that it is the sort of extension of Christianity, which is misguided. But I think

01:08:52.780 that they are approaching it from a way that could be more reformed. And it seems to be less

01:08:57.780 sinister than maybe a lot of people want to believe. But I would only push back insofar as

01:09:03.380 the, I don't enjoy a lot of the impulse that I see on the Christian right to maybe ally with

01:09:10.140 the Muslims because they at least don't disrespect. And not to say that that's what you were saying,

01:09:14.840 but you know, we mentioned earlier, like there's this character, Sneeko, who's like tweeting out

01:09:18.300 about how gta6 is zionist propaganda even jumped out of the christ is king uh messaging the other

01:09:23.840 day which i'm glad to hear him say that but you know christ is king can be said in a way that is

01:09:30.600 different than by if i were saying christ is lord so it was interesting to see a lot of muslims come

01:09:35.340 out and they were saying christ is king uh to sort of get into this yeah andrew tate like christ

01:09:40.800 they won't say christ is lord they would never say that and when he says well and to me lord

01:09:46.460 you know king tomato tomato i right i know what you're saying but to me the biggest thing is uh

01:09:51.820 yeah i want to do a will smith uh get my savior's name out your mouth yeah like andrew tate you're

01:09:59.780 like what do you mean christ is king you don't believe he's lord or king yeah you don't you don't

01:10:05.860 um and so i don't even i don't even care what he means by it because i think some christians are

01:10:09.800 up in arms in terms of well uh is he is that a breach of the third commandment right is he taking

01:10:15.400 the Lord's name in vain. I'm not even, and it's not to say that it's, I don't want to make mild

01:10:20.920 of breaking the third commandment and taking the Lord's name in vain, but that is not my concern.

01:10:24.840 My concern isn't what do you mean by Christ is king and what anti-Semitic, potentially anti-Semitic

01:10:31.640 angle do you have that you're working here? To me, who cares? Man looks at the outward appearance,

01:10:38.180 God looks at the heart. Your motive in saying Christ is king is not my primary concern.

01:10:45.380 My first concern would just simply be, do you even believe it?

01:10:49.120 So some guys, it's like, I don't know what your motive is, and maybe I have some doubts.

01:10:53.980 Who cares?

01:10:54.920 Who cares, right?

01:10:55.880 I want to put the Trump little thing where he's like, nobody cares. 0.74

01:11:00.560 But my big thing is not so much what do you mean by Christ is king, but if you're a Muslim, 1.00

01:11:08.000 you just objectively do not believe Christ is king. 1.00

01:11:11.680 You don't believe that.

01:11:13.060 And so don't say it. It's just not particularly helpful.

01:11:17.300 I am suspicious of a lot of the motives because I think that right now, so much of American conservative media, which is obviously ineffective, and it is like, you know, it exists as this sort of apparatus to provide content that people can nod their heads along to.

01:11:33.580 But then on the big issues that really define what the right does, it sort of more or less stays the same. And I think that a lot of people are viewing what is going on between Israel and Palestine to be an opportunity to take some of that power away from those media companies and give it to themselves and their networks.

01:11:49.200 And it's a way of flanking, you know, because obviously there's a big PR crisis, as Trump said, going on in Israel.

01:11:55.700 And it's a way of sort of flanking them and being like, well, you're refusing to disavow this. 0.66

01:11:59.760 You're supporting genocide. You're supporting killing children, civilians or what have you, as a way to sort of wrestle the audience away from those people and give it to themselves.

01:12:07.260 And, you know, if that's good, if that's bad, I guess it's an individual case to be determined.

01:12:11.800 someone like Andrew Tate, for example, who has gained a lot of traction, not only in the last

01:12:16.800 two years, but especially since the Israeli-Palestine conflict has popped off. That's a guy who's

01:12:21.320 messaging, I don't know if it's better for more people to be listening to. I do think there's a

01:12:26.120 lot of it that's good, telling young men to take control of their own lives, be disciplined, strive

01:12:30.500 for greatness. But then a lot of that too is just showing young men, you should just be walking

01:12:34.820 around in suits all day and having sex with models and buying supercars. And insofar as he said that 0.94

01:12:40.280 like you know you have to believe in god he says you have to worship the sand demon because

01:12:44.400 christianity is weak and it's like this watered down sort of nichian critique of it or whatever

01:12:48.460 so i do think he's just misinformed christianity today is is is weak uh but that's not true

01:12:54.900 christianity but yeah but going back to what you said just a moment ago that that's what i

01:12:58.700 was was remembering in terms of um islam uh and like you can you can say i don't think we should

01:13:06.320 send billions of dollars to israel and you can also at a theological level um be honest about

01:13:11.840 the problems of talmudic judaism and still uh come nowhere near being pro hamas which i'm not

01:13:20.380 pro hamas and the one thing i wanted to say about islam is i wanted to remind you know the young

01:13:25.180 what you know what you referenced or the young 18 19 year old far alt-right you know uh white

01:13:31.700 christ is king listener um christ is king god bless you say it loud say it proud don't apologize

01:13:38.740 but um familiarize yourself with a little bit more church history and what i mean by that is

01:13:45.040 uh here's a couple recommendations defenders of the west god's battalions sword and scimitar

01:13:50.840 these are all books that have been written just in the last few years that are very helpful and

01:13:56.780 tons of primary source documentation that are basically, in a nutshell, they're all

01:14:04.140 an apologetic defense of the Crusades. Because just like we have revisionist history about this,

01:14:11.320 that, and the other, we have revisionist history not only about World War II, but about the

01:14:16.160 Crusades, that the Christians, that we were the baddies. And that's not true. That's not to say

01:14:22.100 that these people were perfect or sinless, but much of the Christian crusades and not just the

01:14:27.220 first two, but even some of the later crusades, I believe were incredibly defensible from an

01:14:32.840 ethical, theological, political standpoint. And so, but my point is in familiarizing yourself

01:14:38.520 with the crusades, that would just be one example. One of the things that that reminds the young,

01:14:44.220 zealous christian is that um the most formidable enemy for 2 000 years of church history 0.91

01:14:51.480 has not been uh judaism but islam um so uh as you are red pilling on zionism uh just keep in mind 0.74

01:15:02.260 you know uh that uh if you're red pilling on zionism and then running into the arms of

01:15:07.880 andrew tate and islam uh that that would be a psyop you have been my friend yeah that was more 0.72

01:15:15.820 or less my point you know it's not to run cover for zionism it's just to tell the young man who 0.74

01:15:21.140 maybe wants to ally or cozy up to these people to ask himself if he feels as though he's truly in

01:15:27.380 the driver's seat because there's a lot of money that is not discussed that flows through like

01:15:33.200 islamic networks and they pay influencers and they have operators and you know organizations 0.98

01:15:37.680 that do things like this messaging and PR and social media, just as Zionists do. And the poor 0.99

01:15:42.680 young American Christian boy is like, oh, finally, we're like liberating our country and we can be a 0.70

01:15:48.020 vehicle for Christ. Look, he said Christ is king, but he's just going to fall into the arms of

01:15:52.020 another force that is not ultimately advocating for his interests. So just be careful, you know,

01:15:56.380 don't get your heart broken, guard your heart. It doesn't mean that you can't, you know, consume

01:16:00.320 content that you agree with, but just be careful. You know, you don't want to go from one media

01:16:04.900 apparatus that's trying to keep you contained into another one and think that you know just

01:16:09.360 because the the color on the wall has changed that it's your room or something like that

01:16:13.240 well said john uh any final thoughts for this episode i really appreciate your time

01:16:17.900 yeah of course um trump 2024 we're gonna make america great again i suppose

01:16:23.020 yeah i i think he'll win i think he'll win yeah all right well uh where can our listeners

01:16:30.920 find you if they want to follow some of your material you can find me at youtube.com slash

01:16:37.020 john doyle or twitter at comrade doyle um and yeah you know hopefully that video comes out soon i

01:16:43.520 think it's going to be pretty important about the sort of mechanisms by which the right purges

01:16:47.520 itself whenever it starts to become more serious and threatening to uh to the opposition cool well

01:16:53.280 thanks again for your time appreciate what you're doing

01:17:00.920 We'll be right back.

The NXR Podcast - April 29, 2024

THE INTERVIEW - Trump Will Win 2024 & A Few Words About Zionism

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