The NXR Podcast - THE INTERVIEW - Where You Live Matters - with Contra Mundom

00:00:00.580 Applying God's Word to every aspect of life. This is Theology Applied.

00:00:12.320 All right, welcome to another episode of Theology Applied. I am your host,

00:00:15.520 Pastor Joel Webin with Right Response Ministries. And in this episode, I am privileged to welcome

00:00:19.580 back to the show the co-host of Contra Moondum. We have C.J. Engel, and we also have Andrew Isker.

00:00:25.760 Guys, thanks for coming on.

00:00:27.820 Thanks, Joel.

00:00:28.460 Thanks for having us, Joel.

00:00:30.000 So right now, CJ, you're in the process of packing up and moving.

00:00:33.800 Yes, I am.

00:00:34.900 How are you feeling about that?

00:00:35.980 Probably bittersweet, huh?

00:00:37.280 It's very emotional, yeah.

00:00:39.780 This is hard for me.

00:00:41.360 I remember when Andrew and I first started talking about it, and I was like, nope, can't convince me.

00:00:46.580 I'm a stone wall.

00:00:47.460 And then a few months later, I was getting ready to do it.

00:00:53.920 So, yeah, I'll probably be out there actually next week.

00:00:56.380 I'll be in Tennessee.

00:00:57.440 So you're moving to Tennessee and you're moving from California, but it's bittersweet because

00:01:02.280 it sounds like your family has been rooted there in California for a very long time.

00:01:06.480 So you're leaving some of your home, your heritage, the beauty, and you weren't, it's

00:01:10.640 not like you were living in San Francisco or LA, but you were in a more conservative

00:01:14.160 county, right?

00:01:15.460 Oh, I'm still in the best area of California right now.

00:01:19.760 And if I was judging my decisions based on the current state of things, I would be remaining.

00:01:25.980 I'm judging a 10 and 20 year time horizon, though, is what I'm doing, you know.

00:01:30.700 So the bubble gets smaller every day and I still love it here and it's just hard to move.

00:01:36.100 But I think this is a future strategy effort is what I'm doing.

00:01:40.220 And also, like, you know, just the conviction of fighting alongside allied people.

00:01:45.260 The people here are great, but they don't really have a spirit of fighting, going on the offensive, things like that.

00:01:51.500 And I just need allies around me.

00:01:53.760 There's a lot of energy going in with Andrew.

00:01:56.260 He's already made his announcement, and Josh, who's made his announcement.

00:01:59.680 So, I mean, this is sort of a soft announcement.

00:02:02.160 I haven't really done a video version of this, Joel, so this is sort of exclusive news for your audience.

00:02:07.420 But, yeah, I'm going to the same place.

00:02:08.840 I'm going to hang out with very good people, and I'm excited to engage myself in their life.

00:02:14.260 And my family is excited to meet their families and all that.

00:02:17.240 So, this is good, optimistic things going on.

00:02:20.440 Great.

00:02:20.680 And what place is that in Tennessee?

00:02:22.420 What's the project?

00:02:23.380 What's the town?

00:02:24.520 Well, there's no announcement on the specific area yet, but it is General Vicinity, Middle

00:02:29.640 Tennessee.

00:02:31.680 I mean, it's associated with Ridge Runner and New Founding, and I'm not affiliated with

00:02:35.680 them, but I'm a friend of Josh and Andrew and stuff, too.

00:02:39.140 So I'll let them make their more specific location announcement on their time.

00:02:43.580 Okay.

00:02:44.340 And then, Andrew, you're doing the same kind of thing.

00:02:45.820 So CJ's leaving California.

00:02:47.440 You're leaving Minnesota.

00:02:49.560 Yes.

00:02:49.840 why would you want to leave minnesota well you know it's people are finding me a couple weeks

00:02:57.360 ago if if when i tell people i'm because i made my announcement like two three weeks ago yeah you

00:03:02.700 made it in our studio that's right i i sat right where you're sitting right now and and and made

00:03:08.160 that video there with the wonderful studio that you have and uh i i got some pushback from people

00:03:15.900 like why would you leave there it's not that bad and now after tim walls has made the the vp nominee

00:03:22.260 for kamala harris now people are starting to get exactly why i would want to get out of of

00:03:27.840 minnesota it's just as bad statewide at least it's just as bad as as california is which is

00:03:34.660 which is really saying something the area much like cj the area that i live in my small town

00:03:39.840 is is very conservative culturally it's it it is not like what you think of with minnesota when

00:03:48.180 you think of tim walls or ilhan omar or whomever else so the local area that i'm in was is great

00:03:53.100 it's it's my home i've i my family has been there for six generations in that town and so like like

00:04:00.720 cj it's it's hard to leave i don't i don't want to i i i would like to stay if i could and yeah

00:04:09.040 judging by the time horizons, the same way 10, 20 years from now, the things that I would like to

00:04:15.220 build are not possible in Minnesota. They'll be destroyed. Like we have the attorney general of

00:04:20.920 Minnesota is Keith Ellison, who is literally Antifa and Muslim and like just this very radical

00:04:29.600 far left guy. I don't, I don't like having that guy be the attorney general who could destroy my

00:04:36.560 life at any moment. And very petty, vindictive people, they might want to, right? If I, you know,

00:04:42.620 if contra mundum gets as big as right response, then they're coming after me, you know, even if

00:04:48.180 we're half as big. So no, I wouldn't, I wouldn't want, I don't want that. I don't want my, I don't

00:04:53.500 want my children taken away. Like if we, if we went to the doctor and the Soviet style doctor 0.99

00:04:59.580 asked my kid, Hey, do you feel like a boy or a girl today? And he is being silly and says, 0.92

00:05:04.260 I feel like a girl, right? And I say, no, he's not right. That would be grounds right there 0.96

00:05:09.060 to have them taken away from my family. It's, it's that bad in Minnesota. Uh, I don't want

00:05:15.340 to live in a place where that is even the most remote possibility that my children could be 0.83

00:05:20.500 taken from me and be mutilated by these, these freaks. So no, I, I can't, I can't live in a

00:05:26.540 place like that. I have to, I have to go, I have to go somewhere. And it's not just that I'm

00:05:31.500 fleeing this bad environment i'm fleeing you know this soviet state um it's also what cj said i want

00:05:38.400 to build something for my children for my grandchildren i want to to build you know

00:05:43.900 institutions and and a community that we can not only just survive in but but really thrive and and

00:05:52.480 have have the things that previous generations just took for granted yep i get it i was pastoring

00:05:59.640 as you guys know, in California for a number of years. And my family and I, we left in December

00:06:06.840 of 2020 and moved to Texas where I was born and raised. And so coming back home, my wife's parents

00:06:13.380 were here, my parents were here. And so there was family. And then also just a state that is more

00:06:20.200 conservative than California, at least for now. And hopefully we'll stay that way if we can

00:06:24.560 limit immigration and do some better work on that. But yeah, it's just thinking long-term. 0.98

00:06:34.160 It's not just where you live and what it's like today, but thinking, what is it going to be like

00:06:44.400 in five years? What is it going to be like in 10, 15, 20? And then thinking also about your children.

00:06:50.020 So like my father-in-law, for instance, he was doing fine financially.

00:06:55.440 Economically, he and his wife, they had saved plenty of money.

00:07:00.720 He had done well with his vocation and they were of retirement age and could have retired

00:07:07.300 in Southern California, San Diego County is where we were.

00:07:11.260 And they lived there also, but they moved in 2015, five years before we did, or no,

00:07:17.380 2013, eight years before we did, seven or eight years. And the reason why was because his two

00:07:24.800 daughters, not my wife, but her two sisters, the two of them and their husbands and their kids

00:07:30.040 were struggling financially. And he realized, I can stay here where we own our home in cash and

00:07:37.780 where we've made a life for ourselves and we have 30 year history and all this stuff. I can stay

00:07:42.780 here, and financially, I'm fine, but I'm going to lose my grandkids, because their parents,

00:07:50.380 my daughters, and their husbands, my sons-in-law, they cannot, it's not that they're lazy, it's not

00:07:57.920 some, you know, moral deficiency, they cannot make enough money for the cost of living, and so

00:08:06.700 they're going to move, whether I like it or not, they're going to be going to fly over country,

00:08:10.860 They're going to be going to Kansas or Oklahoma or Texas or Tennessee or whatever.

00:08:17.420 And so he actually led the way.

00:08:19.620 You know, the guy who had actually no personal need, you know, for my in-laws, it's like, we've only got, you know, 10, 20 years left.

00:08:28.140 We could finish our days here and get to go to the beach, you know, and live in perfect, you know, temperature, perfect weather, San Diego, California.

00:08:37.660 But they were thinking about their children.

00:08:40.320 And so it wasn't even his daughters and their husbands that made the decision.

00:08:44.620 He actually was the one who brought it to the table and said, hey, guys, I was thinking, what if we all relocated together?

00:08:51.360 And here's a certain area in Texas where there's a lot of economic activity and jobs.

00:08:56.280 And here's the cost of living.

00:08:57.580 And it's more moderate and conservative in terms of its politics and culture.

00:09:02.480 And so he actually brought that decision as a father, not needing it himself, but thinking about the next generation. 0.97

00:09:08.480 And I think there's, you know, similar to what I hear you saying, CJ, and similar to you, Andrew, I think that's what a lot of people are starting to realize is, you know, when I first came out with my book, Fight by Flight, you know, immediately everyone, you're a post-millennial and you're a hypocrite because you're a coward and you're retreating.

00:09:27.260 And it's like, you know, and then I saw you, Andrew, and the backlash, you know, that you got when you made your announcement two weeks ago about leaving, you know, same kind of thing, same backlash that I got with my book.

00:09:38.000 And I think part of it is that they're putting the impetus on cowardice.

00:09:45.240 You're not going to stay and fight, you know, like real men commit suicide.

00:09:50.840 Be a man, be a man and destroy your children's future, you know, like.

00:09:55.240 And I think that really is what it comes down to is their view of courage is the same as a kamikaze pilot.

00:10:05.880 Their view of courage, it's a momentary, one generation, it's all about me, next 15 minutes, courage.

00:10:15.780 Whereas we're thinking like, well, no, I have children.

00:10:20.780 And one day, Lord willing, they'll have children.

00:10:23.200 and I'm thinking about, if I stay here, where will my kids work? And what house will they be

00:10:29.560 able to afford? What spouse will they marry? And then their children, where will they go to school? 0.88

00:10:36.960 Like in San Diego at the time, I looked at all the classical Christian schools,

00:10:41.200 and the average cost of tuition was 20 grand a year. 20 grand. So it's like, I've got to make

00:10:47.500 I've got to make $300,000, 200 to be able to afford a house and feed my family. And then

00:10:53.580 another hundred, if I want to have five kids and, you know, and, and so, you know, for,

00:10:58.460 for their, just their annual tuition. And so my, my point is I really do think that long-term view,

00:11:05.680 and I think a lot of post-millennial, sadly, I I'm post-millennial, I'm not going to apologize,

00:11:10.000 but a lot of them that when they talk about long-term, they talk about 50,000 years and

00:11:15.140 it becomes an excuse to do nothing. But what I mean is I'm not talking 50,000 years. I'm talking

00:11:20.320 20, 30, 40 years. The guys who are thinking like that are the guys who are making the kinds of

00:11:27.420 transitions and moves that we are. And then the guys who are thinking Jesus is coming back next

00:11:32.760 Thursday are the kamikaze pilots who are like, I'm just going to drive my plane into the heart 0.99

00:11:40.500 of the beast. And honestly, if you're a single man, go for it. But I can't drive my plane with 0.99

00:11:46.860 my four children and wife and fifth on the way into a flaming crash. I can't do that as a Christian

00:11:54.820 man. Yeah, there's another layer of this too. I mean, as you guys know, I've studied a lot of

00:11:59.240 Antonio Gramsci and the Frankfurt School and things like that. And I've just, I've adopted,

00:12:03.480 um, I've, I've digested a lot of the lessons that this once very marginal left wing, I've adopted

00:12:11.340 the, some of the things that they dealt with. They had to struggle with this, this hurdle of

00:12:16.620 how does someone on the marginal left come into the mainstream of society? And they've had to

00:12:22.840 deal with that. So one of the, one of the concepts that came out of Gromshian thinking, sorry for my

00:12:27.560 notifications, the Gramscian thinking, is that there's a difference between a war of maneuver

00:12:35.500 and a war of position. And so a lot of people, they have this like Hollywood style, like we're

00:12:42.880 in the trenches and we're throwing grenades. That's not how politics actually works in real

00:12:48.100 life. He emphasized the fact that there's this element of a war of position, which is much more

00:12:54.780 strategic, much more multi decades long. I mean, what we see now around us with the left wing

00:13:00.720 and complete domination of all the institutions is the fruit of 70 years of infiltration and

00:13:08.680 positioning and strategic retreats and strategic moves. And so when we talk about long term,

00:13:17.280 we're not talking about winning a few elections away. We're talking about our grandchildren,

00:13:20.920 What types of soil do they have to grow up in in order to actually have an influential position to play?

00:13:27.340 And so I really want to digest that personally.

00:13:29.760 And I want to make moves now.

00:13:32.200 They're going to pay off when I'm dead.

00:13:34.560 That's the war of position.

00:13:36.200 And I think that a lot of people are still true believers in the electoral democratic process.

00:13:42.680 And I think that that whole system of things is fracturing.

00:13:46.560 And we need to look at what it what we need to think about on the other side of that of that collapse of legitimacy of the U.S. regime.

00:13:55.820 And I think that's where we need to put it's like a chess game.

00:13:58.460 You need to be looking decades down the road, not just how do we elect Donald Trump?

00:14:04.460 That's not strategy. That's perhaps it buys us some time.

00:14:08.840 Perhaps it helps us mobilize. Perhaps it helps us recognize friends and enemies.

00:14:12.700 Perhaps it helps us shift the Overton window, but that's not actually institution building.

00:14:17.700 Institution building is beyond electoral politics.

00:14:21.160 And so I think that these sorts of long-term moves are much akin to something like Daniel Boone.

00:14:26.300 I mean, the things that he did to blaze the trail and set new paths didn't pay off for a century.

00:14:33.380 That's what we're doing by going to Boone country.

00:14:36.020 That's what we're doing by going to Tennessee. 0.94

00:14:37.800 We're doing that war of position.

00:14:39.880 And I think that's much more my mentality.

00:14:41.780 I'm not going to see the fruit of my labors.

00:14:43.940 But if I don't labor now, neither will my grandchildren.

00:14:47.720 Yeah, that's – what Joel said earlier too makes me think of another group of people who were also post-millennial and left a place and went and founded a new place.

00:15:04.660 The Puritans, the pilgrims, they left England.

00:15:08.580 They're being persecuted.

00:15:09.380 And would you say, oh, oh, you're not really post-political because you can't handle the king putting in the star chamber, putting you in prison and cutting off your ears? 0.95

00:15:17.320 When I think of Cotton Mathers, I think coward. 0.95

00:15:20.560 You know what I mean? 1.00

00:15:20.900 Total coward. 0.99

00:15:21.840 Yeah. 0.93

00:15:23.340 And because like they went to a place, I mean, a totally foreign, unknown territory with very hostile people that they had to go to war with to survive.

00:15:34.640 um and and even in the first couple years before those wars began right they had to go to war with

00:15:41.600 nature itself right they nearly all starved to death in the first winter um the and the idea

00:15:50.360 that these people would be cowards right when they went to go found a new nation in a new place

00:15:57.440 having no idea whether they would survive or not um they they were not cowardly in doing that

00:16:04.020 whatsoever. And, and, and so I look at it in those ways, right? Sometimes you do have to leave a

00:16:09.820 place in order to build the things to win, right? That's, that's how I look at it. We want to win,

00:16:17.220 right? We want to, I don't, winning does not, is not me just going and being a martyr in Minnesota.

00:16:23.080 Cause like if I'm a martyr there, right? If, if Keith Ellison finds me and throws me into jail

00:16:28.480 for whatever reason um you know are these people the people that are criticizing me

00:16:34.260 um or the same people that criticize you joel right they would be mocking me for going to jail 0.79

00:16:39.760 yeah right they'd be like what a loser this guy went to jail right yeah they're not gonna come 0.88

00:16:44.320 bail you out no right oh one of andrew isker's kids got transed ha ha ha isn't that so funny 0.92

00:16:50.280 right that's how they would act if that happened to my family they don't care about me or my family

00:16:55.500 they're not saying hey brother stay and fight with us and we'll link arms with you and help

00:17:03.860 you know protect you and your family we'll fight right alongside you that's not what they're saying

00:17:08.280 um they're they're saying they're saying hey um stay and fight and front load all the cost

00:17:16.900 personally and just do it like and you're going to do it with me no no you just you just you need

00:17:23.560 to do it. And so, yeah, it's silly. It's just, it's not a good faith, the people that make those 0.84

00:17:29.740 arguments. One of the things I said when we were in Ogden at the New Christendom Conference in my

00:17:34.520 talk was, I said, you know, I'm looking at kind of a big picture and what evangelicals, and not

00:17:41.940 just evangelicals, conservatives, I think, in a larger sense, but evangelicals in particular have

00:17:45.940 done for decades now, at least the last, you know, 20 to 50 years, arguably, is instead of winning

00:17:52.980 somewhere or winning something we opted for winning nowhere and winning nothing and um and

00:18:01.640 one of the ways that we did that one of the chief ways is by spreading our forces and our resources

00:18:07.420 far too thin so whether it was global missions right we're going to reach uganda yeah but all

00:18:14.980 your kids grew up and became apostate like you lost your own children in the process right um

00:18:21.480 Or, okay, we're going to plant churches in urban cities and contexts.

00:18:30.400 Okay, but did Tim Keller disciple New York?

00:18:34.400 Or in the final analysis, did New York disciple Tim Keller?

00:18:38.660 And so whether it was global missions or whether it was urban church planting.

00:18:43.840 And then what happened in the church planting movement that I was a part of,

00:18:46.880 I was an Acts 29 guy and churches planting churches.

00:18:49.780 And I mean, the Bible absolutely speaks positively of planting churches, provided that we do it biblically and with prudence and wisdom and qualifications.

00:18:57.560 But what happened a lot was in the church planting movement, as I saw it, was everybody was promoted precisely to the level of incompetence.

00:19:06.280 So if a guy would have been a good church member, you made him a deacon.

00:19:09.900 If he would have been a good deacon, you made him an elder.

00:19:12.420 If he would have been a good elder, you know, you made him a church planter.

00:19:15.120 And church planting really, in a lot of ways, guys don't want to admit this, but in a lot of

00:19:19.640 ways, it wasn't so much motivated by evangelism and a heart for winning the lost, but it was more

00:19:27.200 so motivated for a chance to be in charge. I'm not content to be the associate pastor and just

00:19:35.360 do faithful good work supporting another man's ministry for the next 20 years. I've got to be

00:19:41.540 able to uh do my own thing i need to be the primary leader and i and i want to preach more

00:19:47.120 and i want to those were the motivations that like like because you could have a church of

00:19:51.120 10 000 people and i'm not i'm not a huge fan of churches that size but just theoretically you

00:19:56.500 can have a large church and still have just as many of those people in positions of eldership

00:20:01.980 discipling and counseling and pastoring and shepherding people um and you can create you

00:20:06.900 know all these other contexts of you know sunday school classes and things like that where there's

00:20:10.780 some public teaching capacity. But the one thing that you can't scale that I've realized when it

00:20:16.600 comes to growing the size of one individual church, the one thing you can't scale is whether

00:20:22.340 the church is 10,000 people or 10 people, there's still only 52 Sundays in a year and one pulpit.

00:20:30.620 And so if you've got young guys who want to preach, whether they're actually called to or

00:20:35.840 qualified to or not, that those guys are going to gravitate towards church planting because that's

00:20:41.960 their ticket. That's their ticket to being able to preach. So, global missions, church planting,

00:20:47.040 and all these things, my point is that the big picture was, it seems as though we spread

00:20:51.860 ourselves super, super thin, and then what we did was we covered all the bases. It's like,

00:20:58.260 instead of winning, you know, the Battle of Bunker's Hill, we fought all of the battles

00:21:02.240 and on all the fronts at the same time, and we lost about like 95% of them. We went and fought

00:21:09.160 every battle and just got demolished. We're getting demolished in California and in Uganda 1.00

00:21:15.100 and over here. And the fruit came back in after 50 years of this strategy. And the reality is, 1.00

00:21:22.360 I think we just have to call a spade a spade and just admit the truth. All the fruit was short-lived.

00:21:27.460 like there is very little lasting sustained uh fruit and so now what lo and behold right

00:21:35.020 and we're giving we're criticizing guys for this of course this is the natural conclusion

00:21:39.380 what are guys thinking in a nutshell what they're thinking is instead of spreading too thin been

00:21:44.280 there done that i've been alone fighting in california alone fighting in minnesota alone

00:21:49.260 with my church plant to 30 people my church plant of 70 people my i've been a missionary over here

00:21:54.200 you know, in Uganda alone. And I've done that. So what are guys thinking now after 50 years of

00:21:58.600 being alone, spread out as operatives all over the map and everybody getting just punched in

00:22:04.940 the face repeatedly and losing? They're thinking, what if we regrouped? What if instead of spreading

00:22:09.500 out, we joined up? And so you have a bunch of people wanting to go and live in one community,

00:22:16.020 the same community in Tennessee to build, to build not just little, you know, ministries and

00:22:23.460 not just a podcast, but to actually build institutions like businesses, schools, think

00:22:30.160 tanks, all these kinds of things that would actually have staying power. You've got Eric

00:22:36.880 Kahn. He moved to Ogden. He was pastoring his own CREC church, but slugging it out and being as

00:22:43.220 faithful as he could. But then he realized he didn't like it at first, just like CJ at first

00:22:49.020 was like, I don't want to leave my home. This is where I am. But then he realized, no, man, I need

00:22:54.540 comrades in arms. And so he moved and fell back. I think we got a lot of guys who are behind enemy

00:23:00.400 lines. They've been out there just on suicide missions for years. And I think it behooves

00:23:07.300 spiritual fathers in this current cultural and political moment to say, come back home, son. 1.00

00:23:12.840 It's okay. It's okay. You're not a coward. It doesn't mean that we lost the war, 0.97

00:23:17.280 but it is okay to concede on that battlefront temporarily today to fall back, to rebuild,

00:23:24.780 regroup, and we'll take it tomorrow. If the only theological category you have for that

00:23:30.720 is cowardice, then you are not a father. We have countless teachers, but few fathers. You are

00:23:38.220 a fatherless teacher exasperating your spiritual sons, and shame on you.

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00:26:05.480 I think that there's, um, the cowardice thing is, is really interesting to me because I

00:26:11.380 think it assumes, um, it assumes too much about the, um, the guarantees, like, like

00:26:17.700 there's this, there's assumption in American life that America is sort of exempt from history

00:26:22.000 and that we don't actually have to deal with.

00:26:24.500 We don't have to actually approach.

00:26:26.160 We don't have to, we don't have to think politically at all because America is exempt.

00:26:29.440 We've transcended the historical problems of politics, and because we're in a democracy, because America was free and always will be free, that's its own sort of cowardice because you're not willing to deal with the realities of political conflict.

00:26:43.720 You're not willing to deal with the – this is what my phrase, and you guys can make fun of me about optimism is cowardice, but there's a certain aspect of cowardice that shows up in apathy that we actually don't want to face reality.

00:26:56.300 everything's going to be fine. We have Jesus on our team. Things will be all right. We don't need

00:27:00.520 to take any action at all. We don't need to think in terms of conflict and struggle and the clash

00:27:07.940 of good versus evil, the clash of friends and enemies. We don't have to deal with all that

00:27:12.020 because we live in a liberal democracy and we've overcome the past. We've overcome political

00:27:16.000 problems. What we're seeing right now is the triumph of the political and the return of history.

00:27:24.340 And these are things that I don't think the normie conservative, the evangelical elite is willing to face because they're the cowards.

00:27:32.600 They're not willing to think in terms of political conflict and the conflict of civilizations, the conflict of cultures, the fact that there is no peaceable way that we can that we can deal with these struggles.

00:27:45.320 There has to be some sort of clash, some sort of political, even violence, you know, is always there behind the veil, ready to spring forth.

00:27:53.320 That's what we're seeing in London right now is the inevitability of human nature and violence.

00:27:57.500 And these things are always there.

00:27:59.300 We can't overcome them because of the limitations of man and anthropological concerns.

00:28:06.200 So I think that that's where the cowardice lies is trying to delude ourselves that we can transcend history.

00:28:13.420 yeah yeah you're absolutely right cj um i i think i think so much of it too

00:28:19.220 is i i see this even with you know there's there's people where they like look at my book

00:28:24.380 right the boniface option and i've had people you know give it to friends and family members and

00:28:31.000 things like that and they they read the first few pages and they're just like i refuse i refuse to

00:28:36.680 believe things are actually that bad right things aren't that bad this is you're nuts right things

00:28:42.480 aren't that bad things are fine right um everything that happened in 2020 that was just normal right

00:28:48.500 we're all back to normal now things were we've we've returned to normal life and what they don't

00:28:54.440 understand is that what they consider normal life is the aberration right normal life is the

00:29:02.100 aberration where you don't have to worry too much about politics where it's like uh democrats win

00:29:06.560 Republicans win. They're going to fiddle around with tax rates. And my family will be fine. I'll

00:29:12.940 go to my job and I'll be in the different clubs and things and have the same social life. And

00:29:21.080 we'll watch football on Sundays and things will be fine. I'll just continue living like we always

00:29:26.460 have. That's not reality. Reality is the normal life that you had, that was forged over centuries

00:29:35.140 of conflict right the normal idea that like americans love liberty and freedom and this

00:29:40.280 well-ordered society right somebody had to make that over generations and you thought it would

00:29:46.940 just was the default position of the world and it's not right the idea that you live in a society

00:29:51.940 where where people will always put their shopping carts back right um is is not the default position

00:29:58.400 of the world right that that social structure of something even as trivial as that somebody made

00:30:05.480 that people made that they forged that created that and it came through the historical process

00:30:10.740 it came through through history through politics right people fighting over political matters

00:30:15.120 right that's how you had this well-ordered freedom loving society and and it's it's going away and it

00:30:23.620 will continue to go away until people take a stand to rebuild it uh till christians take a

00:30:29.620 stand to rebuild what has been lost and um you're not able to do that by yourself or even you know

00:30:36.120 in places like minnesota or california um and in your your church and in your small community like

00:30:41.660 where i live in in minnesota um in my town with like 9 000 people it's a it's a great town

00:30:48.800 They're great people.

00:30:49.800 My church is awesome.

00:30:51.040 The people in my church are, I love them.

00:30:54.080 Like I die for every single one of them.

00:30:57.300 The problem with the town and the problem with Minnesota is that nobody wants to admit things are as bad as they are.

00:31:04.560 Like all the images people see right now of how bad it was in 2020 with Tim Walls, all the things on fire and all the trans stuff and all of the abortion stuff that he's done and wants to do to the whole country.

00:31:16.360 um people just forget about that they just get gaslit and it's out of their mind and they just

00:31:21.140 think about the vikings or they just think about their golf game right they don't they don't care

00:31:25.180 about these things people don't want to fight for it because they assume in the same you know

00:31:29.980 spanglarian optimism is cowardice way right they assume that things will always be okay because

00:31:36.320 we're america exactly and they won't they will not be uh things will always be okay uh because

00:31:43.160 we're America and I'm just going to live out my life here. Yeah. Maybe I'll pay some high taxes.

00:31:48.060 Maybe things will, you know, there'll be all sorts of trans pride parades down my street, 0.98

00:31:52.240 but I'll be okay. Right. Cause I'm brave and I'm taking a stand and they don't take any stands at 0.99

00:31:57.140 all. Right. The people are calling, calling me a coward. Right. I went to the, when, when they

00:32:01.220 were trying to pass the abortion bill in Minnesota and they did pass it, right. When they're trying 0.89

00:32:06.840 to pass it and abortion up till birth for any reason whatsoever right i went to the senate

00:32:14.220 hearing and spoke against it and there were you know how many other pastors came to that meeting

00:32:21.220 in i mean there's thousands of pastors in minnesota you know many other pastors came

00:32:25.520 to that meeting to speak against it zero not one not a single one so people call i i stood out up

00:32:33.220 there i told them that god will judge each and every one of you for doing this right you are

00:32:38.340 murdering babies but and he will judge you for it but you're gonna and they call me a coward 0.96

00:32:42.820 but you're gonna coward but you're gonna vote for trump you don't really care about the unborn 0.95

00:32:47.020 yeah apparently not yeah yeah like i i don't want the man who did that to my state

00:32:52.760 right and i mean some i mean that's the horror of this there have been charlie kirk tweeted

00:32:58.040 on something you know less than the last day as we're recording this that uh since that bill each

00:33:04.360 year there have been eight babies that were born alive and botched abortions where they just let

00:33:08.920 them die on the floor right that that is that is horrible like just to to think that they would

00:33:17.700 they would allow that they would do that they would pass this bill and make this happen um

00:33:21.900 And they want to make that the law in the entire country is I can't let that happen.

00:33:27.720 I don't want to let that happen.

00:33:28.940 And so, yeah, on that on that topic, no, I'm not going to I'm going to vote for Trump.

00:33:32.740 I want him to win and not in the way that CJ is talking about that people think, oh, well, the electoral process will work.

00:33:38.560 We'll get what things will swing back the other way and Trump will win and things will go back to normal.

00:33:42.760 No, like if Trump wins, that is going to buy us a little bit more time.

00:33:48.060 Right. Right. That's why I want him to win.

00:33:49.540 not because i think oh he's going to be the the mega savior is going to fix everything for us and

00:33:54.540 it'll be so great no i want him to to win i want him to fight our enemies so that we can build the

00:34:00.340 things to actually retake ground in our country yep so let's talk real quick uh here at the end

00:34:08.300 about tim walls andrew you and i've talked about this a lot like there is well first of all there's

00:34:14.100 there's a lot of like, like establishment factoring going on, right? So the, in the

00:34:20.800 Republican Party, obviously, there's the more populist base versus the establishment neoconservative

00:34:25.700 base, or the constituency, the elite. And then in the Democrat Party, it's the same thing. There's

00:34:31.360 the old pro-Israel, Hillary Clintonite, you know, Democrat Party. And then there's the new rising,

00:34:38.820 like pro or anti-Israel faction, right? This is, none of them are like pro-America. They're

00:34:43.980 either like pro-israel or pro-worldism um yeah so i think that's i think the aoc crowd is is kind

00:34:51.480 of gaining momentum in the democratic party and i think that was that strategic choice i mean that

00:34:56.760 was ultimately what was going on there it's like that new i mean tim walls is like one of the most

00:35:01.620 um like subverted like pathetic um you know political actors in the democratic party because 0.67

00:35:07.760 he's so obviously like just um he's got no opinions of his own no thoughts of his own 0.99

00:35:13.120 he stands for absolutely nothing he's just completely like a sponge and he just like 0.99

00:35:18.820 absorbs everything that like power wants him to do so it's like he's one of the most pathetic 0.99

00:35:23.760 like political actors i mean biden's pathetic in like a medical sense but he's pathetic in just 0.99

00:35:29.080 absence of it like at least biden in his prime like he was always creepy and just incredibly 0.99

00:35:35.500 stupid but he at least like had this like sense of like i want to get something out of this 0.98

00:35:39.940 personally i don't even think tim walls goes there he just has there's no functioning brain there 1.00

00:35:44.820 he's just purely sponge-like and he absorbs whatever he's told to do you're supposed to

00:35:50.240 put tampons and boys okay i'll do that that's a good idea i support the lgbt community like

00:35:55.440 he's this guy i i mean you're saying you're saying that biden at least had the ambition of

00:36:00.820 like hey i'm gonna you know i'm gonna lie cheat and steal and make you know millions of dollars

00:36:05.840 for my family like he had the ambition of like starting a crime syndicate you know those kind

00:36:10.280 of things like a pelosi type ambition you know clinton type ambition but uh you're saying tim

00:36:15.400 walls like he he's not doing it for millions of dollars he's getting nothing he's literally just

00:36:19.660 doing it for the attaboys he just it's just yeah i mean probably speak more to that just approval

00:36:24.560 he just wants someone to pat him on the back and say good boy good boy good boy exactly yeah

00:36:28.520 That's sad.

00:36:29.240 Yeah, I think, yeah, I mean,

00:36:31.240 I'm sure he's probably getting some kind of kickbacks

00:36:33.460 and things like that, but no, I mean,

00:36:36.940 I think CJ's-

00:36:37.560 Not Biden kickbacks, though.

00:36:38.640 That's a whole nother level.

00:36:39.820 Maybe not to that level.

00:36:40.780 I mean, you'll see in the coming weeks

00:36:43.980 like the connections that Walls has to China, too,

00:36:46.980 so maybe there, but nevertheless, no, CJ's right

00:36:51.700 that he's just this cipher, right?

00:36:54.700 There is nothing, there's no there there at all.

00:37:00.180 He is this far-left ideologue, right?

00:37:05.100 He'll do whatever the En Vogue thing is.

00:37:08.600 I mean, 30 years ago, when he was a teacher at Mankato West High School,

00:37:13.680 which is 20 minutes from, 20, 25 minutes from my house,

00:37:18.120 He proudly started the Gay-Straight Alliance in the high school.

00:37:25.880 He was very proud as one of the football coaches to be able to support openly gay students.

00:37:34.340 And so this is the 90s he's pushing this.

00:37:36.860 So very far left for that time, very transgressive in that period.

00:37:42.720 And so he – but that's a – in the upper Midwest and Minnesota, right, you've always had these liberals, these left-wing people who would push these things.

00:37:52.260 And the way they do it is we're just nice and friendly.

00:37:56.040 We want – we just – we want to have love and tolerance and we want everyone to love each other, right?

00:38:02.240 He embodies that kind of thing.

00:38:03.740 But it's also in this Yellowstone meme way, right, where it's like, oh, look at me.

00:38:08.640 I'm going out hunting.

00:38:09.760 I'm this Midwestern guy.

00:38:11.240 I am just this, I kind of look like a farmer and, and he's not, it's so, so fake. 0.98

00:38:19.000 He is such an evil man.

00:38:22.440 I mean, the things that he did during 2020, I mean, setting up this snitch line, right. 0.72

00:38:28.120 To put people in jail for violating the lockdowns.

00:38:31.720 Like there's, there's, there's a friend of mine who, she went to 90 days.

00:38:35.940 She went to prison for 90 days for opening up her coffee shop because it was going to go out of business otherwise because of his lockdowns.

00:38:44.920 And while he's prosecuting her and people like her for opening their businesses, he's letting riots go crazy in our streets.

00:38:53.300 He is this embodiment of anarcho-tyranny.

00:38:56.720 And he wants that for the entire country. 1.00

00:38:59.760 Kamala Harris wants that for the entire country. 1.00

00:39:01.560 They want us to be prosecuted for leading normal lives. 0.99

00:39:05.440 They're a perfect team when you think about it. One presides over the country being burned down and the other one bails out anybody who's punished for it. Like, I mean, Kamala and Tim really are a match made, you know, in heaven. It's almost romantic because it's like these guys have been partners in crime for the last, you know, four years, like all the way back in 2020, you know, they may not have had the plan all the way along and known that, you know, they were going to be seeking the Oval Office together.

00:39:29.920 But all the way back in 2020, I mean, they were, you know, alley-oop, you know, like, you know, Tim's like, here's the oop, you know, the alley and there's the oop.

00:39:39.020 And so, you know, he's like, hey, you know, I'll turn a blind eye as my entire city, you know, an entire state is burned to an ash heap.

00:39:46.440 And, you know, we'll make sure that no one gets arrested.

00:39:48.860 And if anybody slips through, you know, our policy and actually does face some kind of penalties and Kamala can swoop in and help donate, you know,

00:39:56.740 by, by drawing attention and retweeting, you know, and all this kind of stuff, you know,

00:40:00.600 this far left activist group to provide bail for, for, um, thugs.

00:40:06.320 So, yeah, yeah.

00:40:07.800 And that, that is, um, I, I, I think Tim has been in the mix for a lot longer than people

00:40:14.300 realize, right.

00:40:15.400 Um, right after the, the debate when I was like, I think he might be, um, he might be

00:40:20.260 a figure in this.

00:40:21.780 Um, we should pay attention to that.

00:40:23.260 The reason I said that, he was doing all the talk show circuits and everything like that, even before the Biden-Trump debate, where I'm like, God, that's a little weird that he's getting the limelight right now.

00:40:34.480 What's going on there?

00:40:35.960 So I think there's been a plan for a while. 1.00

00:40:39.260 I mean, these people are stupid, but they're not that stupid. 1.00

00:40:43.180 And no, he is such an evil, wicked man. 1.00

00:40:47.560 I can't overstate what a horrible, horrible person and leader he will be. 0.99

00:40:57.340 But in terms of winnability, and CJ, I'll turn it to you.

00:41:00.900 I mean, Josh Shapiro would have been the better choice, right, in terms of the nation as a whole?

00:41:06.900 Well, I don't think so.

00:41:10.020 I don't think it would have been a better choice at all.

00:41:12.260 I don't think their plan has nothing to do with conventional politics, electoral politics.

00:41:16.180 Yeah, yeah.

00:41:17.560 First of all, I mean there's a couple – Andrew and I had a fun little back and forth on our show.

00:41:23.680 But I think that they have – I think that there's something much more dramatic.

00:41:27.440 I mean whether it's the Charles Haywood theory about how they know Trump's going to win and they're going to do an old-fashioned coup and get the power back or whether they're going to actually fortify the election.

00:41:36.680 I think whatever way you slice it, Kamala Harris is extremely unpopular and extremely repulsive. 1.00

00:41:42.820 Like very few people like her. 1.00

00:41:44.420 There's a lot of Democrats. 1.00

00:41:46.800 Yeah, exactly.

00:41:47.260 I mean, that's pretty good, Isker.

00:41:50.040 I know.

00:41:50.420 I've been working on it.

00:41:51.520 I've been working on it.

00:41:52.280 But I don't think that they – I don't think that there's any benefit to either one of these individuals that's going to make people say, OK, Kamala Harris would be a decent leader of our nation.

00:42:05.000 I don't think that's what they're going for at all.

00:42:06.760 Yeah, there's no constituency there for either of them in a real sense.

00:42:10.820 Like there would have been for like Bill Clinton in the 90s or whatever. 0.97

00:42:14.200 um and yeah so you're you're right about that that they they're they want to install her as

00:42:20.180 president do you guys see the uh the jamie raskin video there's a video of uh representative jamie

00:42:26.700 raskin do you guys see that no uh you yeah you need to see it he he's i don't know what where

00:42:33.620 this was is private or something like that he's talking about how if trump wins right we need to

00:42:39.260 exercise the 14th amendment oh yeah i saw insurrection he was like getting mad at the

00:42:42.960 court the supreme court and saying like yes now you made us the bad guy because what's going to

00:42:46.960 happen on january 6 2025 is that we're going to have to call in i think he said like call in the

00:42:52.420 armed guard uh and um and disqualify him and disqualify him and uh and there's going to be

00:42:59.700 riots in the streets and blah blah blah but like but yeah he would none of this was hyperbole on

00:43:04.840 his part like he you know he he meant it he was serious he was serious yeah yeah 100 and so like

00:43:11.280 they that so to cj's point i mean that might be in the cards for them if if some other thing like

00:43:17.500 war or whatever else um isn't um isn't also something i mean you have the you have like

00:43:23.860 three or four carrier groups in the persian gulf now or in the area or in the red sea in persian

00:43:28.180 gulf right they um they're certainly on this like posture i mean everybody probably saw like last

00:43:34.200 week when uh um you know all the gay bars in dc emptied out and all the domino's pizzas got really 0.76

00:43:40.460 busy uh that's always the all right we're on the verge of war a signal um around the pentagon but 0.65

00:43:47.680 no i mean anything can happen in um in the next couple weeks i mean we i mean we're forgetting

00:43:53.840 like a month ago donald trump got shot at and got shot right that that we all saw that happen

00:44:01.760 right and i don't think it was an act just random oh the guy found his way onto the roof like

00:44:06.420 we've seen with the secret service and and it's like they basically let him up there

00:44:10.320 um all all but like all but like january 6th the cops opening the the gates and like waving

00:44:16.000 him in like a third base coach right it's it's all but like that right and so they wanted him

00:44:21.260 dead uh people wanted him dead somebody wanted him dead and at least one person did if not many

00:44:27.000 um and and so they're going to continue to escalate on these things they do not want to

00:44:32.440 let him become president. And so you're right, CJ. Like, yeah, maybe they do that.

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00:46:11.760 My final question is just,

00:46:13.280 what does Tim Walz gain?

00:46:14.840 So like, I could see how like a Josh Shapiro,

00:46:16.860 and I understand what you guys are saying. 0.99

00:46:18.200 You're saying, Joel, you silly, 1.00

00:46:19.780 you silly boomer. 0.99

00:46:20.820 Um, uh, you're, you're thinking about strategies of electability. Democrats, uh, they're, they're 0.99

00:46:26.720 not, these are not democracy loving people. They literally the, the front run, their, their

00:46:31.140 presidential candidate right now is someone who is completely unelected. So, you know, so I, I get

00:46:35.540 point taken. That's a good point. Um, so you're saying whether they rig an election or whether

00:46:39.420 they just force it on January 6th, you know, whatever, you know, say Trump can't, sorry,

00:46:42.840 he can't be president or however, they're not thinking about electability. However, my question,

00:46:47.260 i think still stands um so what is if that's the case if it's not about you know getting someone

00:46:53.040 who's deemed as more moderate you know like um if it's not about electability with the vp pick

00:46:58.460 then then what what does tim walls accomplish what what's good about his him being picked in in the

00:47:05.940 the mind of the regime yeah let me let me answer this quick and then cj you can you could you know

00:47:11.320 correct me if i'm wrong but it's it's more like when the soviet union chooses its apparatchiks

00:47:17.080 to put into power like that's that's what this is right um it's it's like a new soviet premier

00:47:24.160 or not the main guy but maybe the couple down below right it's it's the politburo being picked

00:47:30.040 right that's what's going on it's not it's it's they they they saw they see or at least they

00:47:36.740 perceive they think we basically can do whatever we want as a regime right we don't need we don't

00:47:42.720 need the consent of the people, right? We can manufacture that with the media. We can install

00:47:48.800 whoever we want in office. It's almost like a humiliation ritual, right? We'll put these people

00:47:53.520 who are repulsive that everybody actually hates. We'll put them in office and they get to reign

00:47:58.740 over everybody, right? That's, that I think is what's going on. Maybe, yeah, go ahead, CJ. I

00:48:02.700 could be wrong. Well, I think Wallace has proven his fealty to the regime. I mean, he has, he's

00:48:09.020 demonstrated that on every narrative every priority scale he's been there as the top dog

00:48:14.760 ready to enforce what needs to be enforced that's number one i think number two is so that they can

00:48:19.900 do a bunch of gaslighting they can say yeah there's no war on white america we love middle 0.97

00:48:24.760 americans look who we put look who we selected as our vice president this fat balding boomer 0.93

00:48:29.240 that's our vice president i think there's a massive layer of gaslighting um at play here as 0.98

00:48:34.760 well. Okay, that actually makes a lot of sense, especially the fidelity, the loyalty factor. I

00:48:41.680 didn't think about it in those terms, because I was thinking if it's just a victory lap, if it's

00:48:45.680 just rubbing it in the faces of anybody who has eyes to see what's going on, then pick AOC,

00:48:52.080 you know, or Ilhan Omar, or you know what I mean? Like, there's a number of people that could do

00:48:57.760 that just as much as Tim Walz, you know, like be the spit in America's face, if not even more so.

00:49:04.460 but that makes sense because because aoc i mean is you know she's terrible but um she doesn't

00:49:11.620 strike me as a team player she doesn't strike me as like yes yes whereas tim walls like literally

00:49:17.500 like is like uh it's almost like um like a golden retriever got trapped in in the body of a you know

00:49:24.880 of an old white guy like uh like i really think that you know i could see him on all four giving

00:49:31.000 too much credit Joel he is he is not I love dogs I love golden retrievers but my point is I could

00:49:37.740 just I could just good boy good boy here's a treat you know and like yeah you know for four years

00:49:42.140 what CJ is saying is just hey what what if you locked people in your homes yes I'll do it you

00:49:46.840 know like what if you close down all the churches yes I'll do it hey hey almost like that uh those

00:49:51.000 that that prankster show you know where it's like they're whispering you know in a microphone from

00:49:54.980 another room they're like hey put tampons in the fourth grade boys bathroom and it's like yeah I

00:49:59.740 bet you tim wall tim walls will do it you know mike mikey likes it he'll eat it you know and uh 0.53

00:50:04.200 yeah yeah so that makes a lot of sense it just um we have a plan for communist america and uh we're

00:50:11.880 gonna pick somebody who for the last four years uh anything we say he'll do yeah he's a good little

00:50:17.320 soldier for them um he he's always i mean he was my congressman when i would you know in college

00:50:23.920 and was in office until he became governor and everything Obama wanted he did right and he's

00:50:33.780 been a good little soldier every step of the way and so this is an apparatchik who is being

00:50:38.040 rewarded for faithful service I mean part of it too I mean some of it makes sense if you've seen

00:50:42.020 like the movie the death of Stalin I mean what has gone on in the democratic party at the highest

00:50:46.300 levels is kind of like that right Joe Biden is Stalin he dies and now it's this scramble to take

00:50:52.740 over power and who's going to fill these gaps. And, and it's, it's all those behind the scenes

00:50:58.620 kind of palace coups that are taking place. And at some of it though, I mean, I want to,

00:51:02.960 you know, end us on a white pill here because that's what I like to do. 0.95

00:51:08.500 It's cowardly. No, I know, I know, but I think some of it is anyone in the democratic party that

00:51:16.520 has a future anyone that has potential to run in 2028 refuse to be kamala's vp that's i that's

00:51:25.220 part of my thought is you know josh shapiro trying to have a future i think he yeah i think

00:51:30.340 he turned her down i mean it's it's going back there's reports both ways like she turned him

00:51:33.980 down he turned her down how do we know um there is there's a lot of skeletons in that guy's closet

00:51:38.680 Like he, he, uh, covered up the, the death of a family or, uh, the girlfriend of a family

00:51:45.780 friend, you know, labeled it a suicide where she was stabbed like 20 times, like twice

00:51:50.180 in the back of the head.

00:51:51.080 And it was called a suicide.

00:51:52.880 Um, so like that scandal would have had some legs and the, the, his IDF service would,

00:51:58.720 was also a big, uh, you know, big red flag within their own party.

00:52:02.760 Like it, it maybe would have made, you know, Michigan a Trump's, you know, red state for

00:52:07.780 sure.

00:52:08.680 Um, and so there's considerations like that, but I think, you know, Kamala and her candidacy is just so toxic that the, all the, the big, the big shots in the democratic party just hedged their bets.

00:52:20.760 They're like, ah, no, I don't want to be associated with that.

00:52:22.960 If you're, if, if you're going to lose, um, I want to, if I, if I'm going to lose, I want to lose on my own terms.

00:52:28.820 Right.

00:52:29.340 Um, so that's why Newsom never, never was interested.

00:52:33.240 Um, Whitmer, many of these other people, I think they just want to run in 2028.

00:52:37.180 makes a lot of sense that means trump that means trump wins cj

00:52:40.640 he won last time do you think do you think do you think uh i'll end it with this uh it's

00:52:50.380 going to cj just take like 15 seconds uh two-part question one will trump win uh and two will he be

00:52:57.500 precedent nice um well so i'm going with um i'm going with no on both yeah i'm going with

00:53:12.200 fortification or some emergency that's going to prevent the process from taking place something

00:53:19.420 where they have to you know declare some you know big uh response to the fact that democracy

00:53:26.560 is under threat by Trump and Putin or something like that.

00:53:30.420 So I can see something extraordinary happening.

00:53:33.800 So I think that there's going to be a lot more funny business this time.

00:53:37.500 They also don't have the same mechanisms that they're capable of doing

00:53:42.520 to fortify things like they did in the very specific county-level shenanigans

00:53:48.000 that happened last time to pull it off.

00:53:49.800 I don't think they're going to be able to do the same thing,

00:53:51.960 so it's going to have to do something much more world historical.

00:53:55.640 you know some some sort of emergency but i i think that they've got something up their sleeve

00:54:00.600 beyond just a uh fall on the sword let let kamala just take the l i don't think they're going to do

00:54:06.100 that okay andrew um i mean i i certainly think that something like that could happen i'm always 1.00

00:54:15.140 open to that possibility right they have a lot of power and they're very stupid and very evil 1.00

00:54:20.100 So that combo is very dangerous. But I think I think it's it's still very possible. Right. Why do I think like 2016 happened? And I remember seeing the New York Times on Election Day, their election ticker where it said 98 percent certain that Hillary is going to win. 0.99

00:54:43.860 And then I watched all that evening as it went further and further and further until it was 100 percent Trump.

00:54:49.580 So it's happened in the past.

00:54:52.080 Now, the demographics eight years ago were different.

00:54:56.040 The a lot of a lot of people, you know, Trump voters are dead now and they're going to vote for Kamala.

00:55:04.880 But but no, I think that he is much more popular than he was in 2020.

00:55:11.980 I think he's more popular than it was in 2016 now just because we've seen what the regime has done to us for four years, right?

00:55:20.340 Just the fact that every time I go to the grocery store, I want to vote for Trump more each time, right? 0.96

00:55:28.000 It is – and everybody feels that across the country unless you're an insane left-wing wacko. 0.92

00:55:34.960 I've been more radicalized over the last four years. 0.97

00:55:37.840 I think much of the country has been.

00:55:39.660 And I think we're at a point where people understand that either we win this or the country's done.

00:55:50.380 It's over.

00:55:51.520 And they've always said that every single election. 1.00

00:55:54.000 It always is fake and stupid. 1.00

00:55:56.780 But this time, it's real. 1.00

00:55:59.920 This time it's different.

00:56:02.020 This time it is different.

00:56:03.340 We had 10 million people cross the borders over the last five years, last four years.

00:56:08.260 like well that's just what they counted but nine million ten million i think like less than a third

00:56:13.720 or less than a third was legal and that's highly you know suspect and then two-thirds it's illegal

00:56:18.940 and that's just counted it easily easily could have been 15 million like it is not hyperbole

00:56:24.160 or exaggeration doesn't count um that doesn't even count like anchor babies or anything right

00:56:29.320 so easily 15 million um and and it hasn't been a full for four years uh so the next four years

00:56:37.720 If you get a Kamala presidency, what I keep telling people is, easy, you're getting $20 million in the next four years.

00:56:44.480 Easily $20 million.

00:56:45.660 It could be $30 million.

00:56:46.520 It could be $35 million.

00:56:48.220 And so what you're looking at is never winning another election again.

00:56:53.040 Like, you're just not.

00:56:54.760 Because they're all going to be Democrat voters.

00:56:57.500 This is the simplest way to think about it.

00:56:58.880 regardless of a person who's, you know, coming into the country, regardless of their stance on

00:57:04.000 the unborn, regardless of their stance on taxes, their stance on, you know, traditional marriage

00:57:09.840 or whatever, here's one thing that you can be sure of. Chances are that they're going to vote

00:57:16.060 for whatever party will let their family and friends come in the country too. And that's

00:57:20.980 going to be, in the same way that evangelicals historically have been, you know, single issue

00:57:24.840 voters on on the issue of life um most immigrants are going to be single issue voters uh the issue

00:57:31.580 being who will let in my friends and family and that will always be democrats um even if the gop 0.93

00:57:38.740 says and i know the gop sucks don't you know please don't you know don't fool yourself i i'm

00:57:44.140 very aware but but my point is you know uh they're always going to go for whoever will let in the 0.90

00:57:49.580 most. And so, so anyway, so four more years, if we, if we get Kamala and Tim Wolves, I think we've

00:57:56.700 had 15, maybe 20 million have come across the border in this term and Biden's term. I think

00:58:02.120 we get 20, maybe 30 that come over the border. And you're talking about, you know, a total

00:58:06.080 population of barely over 300 million people. So at that point, you're talking legitimately 20,

00:58:11.640 you know, 20% of the country. And that's not all immigrants. That's just immigrants in the last 0.99

00:58:17.240 eight years now if it's 2028 um you're done you just you um yeah yeah yeah you're done you never 0.99

00:58:25.540 never win another election again and you certainly won't be abolishing abortion that that's uh that

00:58:30.440 has been firmly removed off the table um yeah you're done 100 and so yeah i'm uh but trump's

00:58:39.540 gonna win so all right i'm i'm with you andrew um i'm with you my goodness cj i am so glad

00:58:45.220 I'm grateful for your ministry

00:58:47.100 you're smart, your insight

00:58:48.840 is helpful, you're well read

00:58:50.700 and in God's merciful kind providence

00:58:53.560 he gave you Andrew as a co-host 0.64

00:58:55.040 because if it was two CJ's 0.90

00:58:56.980 I mean, if I listened to one of those

00:58:59.400 episodes I'd just feel like I'd

00:59:00.800 just be popping pills in a bathtub

00:59:02.680 I'd lose the will to live

00:59:05.340 you've got to have the Andrew

00:59:07.340 it's the yin and yang to balance out

00:59:09.420 the positivity

00:59:10.400 shout out to James Lindsay

00:59:13.480 In order for us to further the dialectic, we need to keep this in an antithesis.

00:59:19.000 Sorry.

00:59:19.520 Amen.

00:59:20.360 That's right.

00:59:20.960 And that's the dialectic of history.

00:59:22.960 And so I'm there providing that fodder so that we can further our goals.

00:59:27.540 Praise God.

00:59:28.540 All right.

00:59:28.700 Well, thank you guys.

00:59:29.500 Seriously, thank you for all that you do.

00:59:31.020 And I'm excited for both of you guys, your families, personally, being able to make this transition.

00:59:36.520 I think, yeah, it's bittersweet.

00:59:39.180 You're both leaving your home.

00:59:40.340 You're both leaving a place that is not somewhere where you just lived the last six months, but you've lived there, you know, the funny thing is that that the funny thing is that Kamala Harris is from California and Wallace is from Minnesota.

00:59:51.800 And isn't that funny?

00:59:53.900 And so here, here, Andrew and I are leaving respective states in order to fight, you know, you know, to lead in opposition.

01:00:01.580 Well, you know what won't be funny is if you leave Kami Harris, California, and Tim Walls, Minnesota, and you get to Tennessee, but then they end up being president and vice president.

01:00:13.580 Ruling over us.

01:00:14.160 Ruling over you still.

01:00:16.440 Don't say that.

01:00:17.720 Don't say that, Joe.

01:00:18.640 Dear God, please don't let that happen.

01:00:20.880 So, all right.

01:00:21.400 Well, thank you guys so much.

01:00:22.220 We'll be praying for you with your transition.

01:00:23.760 And I'm hoping that what the Lord does over the coming years and decades in Tennessee with the project there and Ridge Runner, that it bears lots and lots of lasting fruit.

01:00:33.640 So thanks for coming on the show.

01:00:35.020 Awesome.

The NXR Podcast - August 12, 2024

THE INTERVIEW - Where You Live Matters - with Contra Mundom

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