In this episode of Theology Applied, Pastor Joel Webin is joined by CJ and Andrew to talk about their upcoming moves. CJ is leaving California and moving to Tennessee, while Andrew is leaving Minnesota to start a new life in Tennessee.
00:08:19.620You know, the guy who had actually no personal need, you know, for my in-laws, it's like, we've only got, you know, 10, 20 years left.
00:08:28.140We could finish our days here and get to go to the beach, you know, and live in perfect, you know, temperature, perfect weather, San Diego, California.
00:08:37.660But they were thinking about their children.
00:08:40.320And so it wasn't even his daughters and their husbands that made the decision.
00:08:44.620He actually was the one who brought it to the table and said, hey, guys, I was thinking, what if we all relocated together?
00:08:51.360And here's a certain area in Texas where there's a lot of economic activity and jobs.
00:08:57.580And it's more moderate and conservative in terms of its politics and culture.
00:09:02.480And so he actually brought that decision as a father, not needing it himself, but thinking about the next generation.0.97
00:09:08.480And I think there's, you know, similar to what I hear you saying, CJ, and similar to you, Andrew, I think that's what a lot of people are starting to realize is, you know, when I first came out with my book, Fight by Flight, you know, immediately everyone, you're a post-millennial and you're a hypocrite because you're a coward and you're retreating.
00:09:27.260And it's like, you know, and then I saw you, Andrew, and the backlash, you know, that you got when you made your announcement two weeks ago about leaving, you know, same kind of thing, same backlash that I got with my book.
00:09:38.000And I think part of it is that they're putting the impetus on cowardice.
00:09:45.240You're not going to stay and fight, you know, like real men commit suicide.
00:09:50.840Be a man, be a man and destroy your children's future, you know, like.
00:09:55.240And I think that really is what it comes down to is their view of courage is the same as a kamikaze pilot.
00:10:05.880Their view of courage, it's a momentary, one generation, it's all about me, next 15 minutes, courage.
00:10:15.780Whereas we're thinking like, well, no, I have children.
00:10:20.780And one day, Lord willing, they'll have children.
00:10:23.200and I'm thinking about, if I stay here, where will my kids work? And what house will they be
00:10:29.560able to afford? What spouse will they marry? And then their children, where will they go to school?0.88
00:10:36.960Like in San Diego at the time, I looked at all the classical Christian schools,
00:10:41.200and the average cost of tuition was 20 grand a year. 20 grand. So it's like, I've got to make
00:10:47.500I've got to make $300,000, 200 to be able to afford a house and feed my family. And then
00:10:53.580another hundred, if I want to have five kids and, you know, and, and so, you know, for,
00:10:58.460for their, just their annual tuition. And so my, my point is I really do think that long-term view,
00:11:05.680and I think a lot of post-millennial, sadly, I I'm post-millennial, I'm not going to apologize,
00:11:10.000but a lot of them that when they talk about long-term, they talk about 50,000 years and
00:11:15.140it becomes an excuse to do nothing. But what I mean is I'm not talking 50,000 years. I'm talking
00:11:20.32020, 30, 40 years. The guys who are thinking like that are the guys who are making the kinds of
00:11:27.420transitions and moves that we are. And then the guys who are thinking Jesus is coming back next
00:11:32.760Thursday are the kamikaze pilots who are like, I'm just going to drive my plane into the heart0.99
00:11:40.500of the beast. And honestly, if you're a single man, go for it. But I can't drive my plane with0.99
00:11:46.860my four children and wife and fifth on the way into a flaming crash. I can't do that as a Christian
00:11:54.820man. Yeah, there's another layer of this too. I mean, as you guys know, I've studied a lot of
00:11:59.240Antonio Gramsci and the Frankfurt School and things like that. And I've just, I've adopted,
00:12:03.480um, I've, I've digested a lot of the lessons that this once very marginal left wing, I've adopted
00:12:11.340the, some of the things that they dealt with. They had to struggle with this, this hurdle of
00:12:16.620how does someone on the marginal left come into the mainstream of society? And they've had to
00:12:22.840deal with that. So one of the, one of the concepts that came out of Gromshian thinking, sorry for my
00:12:27.560notifications, the Gramscian thinking, is that there's a difference between a war of maneuver
00:12:35.500and a war of position. And so a lot of people, they have this like Hollywood style, like we're
00:12:42.880in the trenches and we're throwing grenades. That's not how politics actually works in real
00:12:48.100life. He emphasized the fact that there's this element of a war of position, which is much more
00:12:54.780strategic, much more multi decades long. I mean, what we see now around us with the left wing
00:13:00.720and complete domination of all the institutions is the fruit of 70 years of infiltration and
00:13:08.680positioning and strategic retreats and strategic moves. And so when we talk about long term,
00:13:17.280we're not talking about winning a few elections away. We're talking about our grandchildren,
00:13:20.920What types of soil do they have to grow up in in order to actually have an influential position to play?
00:13:27.340And so I really want to digest that personally.
00:14:39.880And I think that's much more my mentality.
00:14:41.780I'm not going to see the fruit of my labors.
00:14:43.940But if I don't labor now, neither will my grandchildren.
00:14:47.720Yeah, that's – what Joel said earlier too makes me think of another group of people who were also post-millennial and left a place and went and founded a new place.
00:15:04.660The Puritans, the pilgrims, they left England.
00:15:09.380And would you say, oh, oh, you're not really post-political because you can't handle the king putting in the star chamber, putting you in prison and cutting off your ears?0.95
00:15:17.320When I think of Cotton Mathers, I think coward.0.95
00:15:23.340And because like they went to a place, I mean, a totally foreign, unknown territory with very hostile people that they had to go to war with to survive.
00:15:34.640um and and even in the first couple years before those wars began right they had to go to war with
00:15:41.600nature itself right they nearly all starved to death in the first winter um the and the idea
00:15:50.360that these people would be cowards right when they went to go found a new nation in a new place
00:15:57.440having no idea whether they would survive or not um they they were not cowardly in doing that
00:16:04.020whatsoever. And, and, and so I look at it in those ways, right? Sometimes you do have to leave a
00:16:09.820place in order to build the things to win, right? That's, that's how I look at it. We want to win,
00:16:17.220right? We want to, I don't, winning does not, is not me just going and being a martyr in Minnesota.
00:16:23.080Cause like if I'm a martyr there, right? If, if Keith Ellison finds me and throws me into jail
00:16:28.480for whatever reason um you know are these people the people that are criticizing me
00:16:34.260um or the same people that criticize you joel right they would be mocking me for going to jail0.79
00:16:39.760yeah right they'd be like what a loser this guy went to jail right yeah they're not gonna come0.88
00:16:44.320bail you out no right oh one of andrew isker's kids got transed ha ha ha isn't that so funny0.92
00:16:50.280right that's how they would act if that happened to my family they don't care about me or my family
00:16:55.500they're not saying hey brother stay and fight with us and we'll link arms with you and help
00:17:03.860you know protect you and your family we'll fight right alongside you that's not what they're saying
00:17:08.280um they're they're saying they're saying hey um stay and fight and front load all the cost
00:17:16.900personally and just do it like and you're going to do it with me no no you just you just you need
00:17:23.560to do it. And so, yeah, it's silly. It's just, it's not a good faith, the people that make those0.84
00:17:29.740arguments. One of the things I said when we were in Ogden at the New Christendom Conference in my
00:17:34.520talk was, I said, you know, I'm looking at kind of a big picture and what evangelicals, and not
00:17:41.940just evangelicals, conservatives, I think, in a larger sense, but evangelicals in particular have
00:17:45.940done for decades now, at least the last, you know, 20 to 50 years, arguably, is instead of winning
00:17:52.980somewhere or winning something we opted for winning nowhere and winning nothing and um and
00:18:01.640one of the ways that we did that one of the chief ways is by spreading our forces and our resources
00:18:07.420far too thin so whether it was global missions right we're going to reach uganda yeah but all
00:18:14.980your kids grew up and became apostate like you lost your own children in the process right um
00:18:21.480Or, okay, we're going to plant churches in urban cities and contexts.
00:18:30.400Okay, but did Tim Keller disciple New York?
00:18:34.400Or in the final analysis, did New York disciple Tim Keller?
00:18:38.660And so whether it was global missions or whether it was urban church planting.
00:18:43.840And then what happened in the church planting movement that I was a part of,
00:18:46.880I was an Acts 29 guy and churches planting churches.
00:18:49.780And I mean, the Bible absolutely speaks positively of planting churches, provided that we do it biblically and with prudence and wisdom and qualifications.
00:18:57.560But what happened a lot was in the church planting movement, as I saw it, was everybody was promoted precisely to the level of incompetence.
00:19:06.280So if a guy would have been a good church member, you made him a deacon.
00:19:09.900If he would have been a good deacon, you made him an elder.
00:19:12.420If he would have been a good elder, you know, you made him a church planter.
00:19:15.120And church planting really, in a lot of ways, guys don't want to admit this, but in a lot of
00:19:19.640ways, it wasn't so much motivated by evangelism and a heart for winning the lost, but it was more
00:19:27.200so motivated for a chance to be in charge. I'm not content to be the associate pastor and just
00:19:35.360do faithful good work supporting another man's ministry for the next 20 years. I've got to be
00:19:41.540able to uh do my own thing i need to be the primary leader and i and i want to preach more
00:19:47.120and i want to those were the motivations that like like because you could have a church of
00:19:51.12010 000 people and i'm not i'm not a huge fan of churches that size but just theoretically you
00:19:56.500can have a large church and still have just as many of those people in positions of eldership
00:20:01.980discipling and counseling and pastoring and shepherding people um and you can create you
00:20:06.900know all these other contexts of you know sunday school classes and things like that where there's
00:20:10.780some public teaching capacity. But the one thing that you can't scale that I've realized when it
00:20:16.600comes to growing the size of one individual church, the one thing you can't scale is whether
00:20:22.340the church is 10,000 people or 10 people, there's still only 52 Sundays in a year and one pulpit.
00:20:30.620And so if you've got young guys who want to preach, whether they're actually called to or
00:20:35.840qualified to or not, that those guys are going to gravitate towards church planting because that's
00:20:41.960their ticket. That's their ticket to being able to preach. So, global missions, church planting,
00:20:47.040and all these things, my point is that the big picture was, it seems as though we spread
00:20:51.860ourselves super, super thin, and then what we did was we covered all the bases. It's like,
00:20:58.260instead of winning, you know, the Battle of Bunker's Hill, we fought all of the battles
00:21:02.240and on all the fronts at the same time, and we lost about like 95% of them. We went and fought
00:21:09.160every battle and just got demolished. We're getting demolished in California and in Uganda1.00
00:21:15.100and over here. And the fruit came back in after 50 years of this strategy. And the reality is,1.00
00:21:22.360I think we just have to call a spade a spade and just admit the truth. All the fruit was short-lived.
00:21:27.460like there is very little lasting sustained uh fruit and so now what lo and behold right
00:21:35.020and we're giving we're criticizing guys for this of course this is the natural conclusion
00:21:39.380what are guys thinking in a nutshell what they're thinking is instead of spreading too thin been
00:21:44.280there done that i've been alone fighting in california alone fighting in minnesota alone
00:21:49.260with my church plant to 30 people my church plant of 70 people my i've been a missionary over here
00:21:54.200you know, in Uganda alone. And I've done that. So what are guys thinking now after 50 years of
00:21:58.600being alone, spread out as operatives all over the map and everybody getting just punched in
00:22:04.940the face repeatedly and losing? They're thinking, what if we regrouped? What if instead of spreading
00:22:09.500out, we joined up? And so you have a bunch of people wanting to go and live in one community,
00:22:16.020the same community in Tennessee to build, to build not just little, you know, ministries and
00:22:23.460not just a podcast, but to actually build institutions like businesses, schools, think
00:22:30.160tanks, all these kinds of things that would actually have staying power. You've got Eric
00:22:36.880Kahn. He moved to Ogden. He was pastoring his own CREC church, but slugging it out and being as
00:22:43.220faithful as he could. But then he realized he didn't like it at first, just like CJ at first
00:22:49.020was like, I don't want to leave my home. This is where I am. But then he realized, no, man, I need
00:22:54.540comrades in arms. And so he moved and fell back. I think we got a lot of guys who are behind enemy
00:23:00.400lines. They've been out there just on suicide missions for years. And I think it behooves
00:23:07.300spiritual fathers in this current cultural and political moment to say, come back home, son.1.00
00:23:12.840It's okay. It's okay. You're not a coward. It doesn't mean that we lost the war,0.97
00:23:17.280but it is okay to concede on that battlefront temporarily today to fall back, to rebuild,
00:23:24.780regroup, and we'll take it tomorrow. If the only theological category you have for that
00:23:30.720is cowardice, then you are not a father. We have countless teachers, but few fathers. You are
00:23:38.220a fatherless teacher exasperating your spiritual sons, and shame on you.
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00:26:26.160We don't have to, we don't have to think politically at all because America is exempt.
00:26:29.440We've transcended the historical problems of politics, and because we're in a democracy, because America was free and always will be free, that's its own sort of cowardice because you're not willing to deal with the realities of political conflict.
00:26:43.720You're not willing to deal with the – this is what my phrase, and you guys can make fun of me about optimism is cowardice, but there's a certain aspect of cowardice that shows up in apathy that we actually don't want to face reality.
00:26:56.300everything's going to be fine. We have Jesus on our team. Things will be all right. We don't need
00:27:00.520to take any action at all. We don't need to think in terms of conflict and struggle and the clash
00:27:07.940of good versus evil, the clash of friends and enemies. We don't have to deal with all that
00:27:12.020because we live in a liberal democracy and we've overcome the past. We've overcome political
00:27:16.000problems. What we're seeing right now is the triumph of the political and the return of history.
00:27:24.340And these are things that I don't think the normie conservative, the evangelical elite is willing to face because they're the cowards.
00:27:32.600They're not willing to think in terms of political conflict and the conflict of civilizations, the conflict of cultures, the fact that there is no peaceable way that we can that we can deal with these struggles.
00:27:45.320There has to be some sort of clash, some sort of political, even violence, you know, is always there behind the veil, ready to spring forth.
00:27:53.320That's what we're seeing in London right now is the inevitability of human nature and violence.
00:30:51.040The people in my church are, I love them.
00:30:54.080Like I die for every single one of them.
00:30:57.300The problem with the town and the problem with Minnesota is that nobody wants to admit things are as bad as they are.
00:31:04.560Like all the images people see right now of how bad it was in 2020 with Tim Walls, all the things on fire and all the trans stuff and all of the abortion stuff that he's done and wants to do to the whole country.
00:31:16.360um people just forget about that they just get gaslit and it's out of their mind and they just
00:31:21.140think about the vikings or they just think about their golf game right they don't they don't care
00:31:25.180about these things people don't want to fight for it because they assume in the same you know
00:31:29.980spanglarian optimism is cowardice way right they assume that things will always be okay because
00:31:36.320we're america exactly and they won't they will not be uh things will always be okay uh because
00:31:43.160we're America and I'm just going to live out my life here. Yeah. Maybe I'll pay some high taxes.
00:31:48.060Maybe things will, you know, there'll be all sorts of trans pride parades down my street,0.98
00:31:52.240but I'll be okay. Right. Cause I'm brave and I'm taking a stand and they don't take any stands at0.99
00:31:57.140all. Right. The people are calling, calling me a coward. Right. I went to the, when, when they
00:32:01.220were trying to pass the abortion bill in Minnesota and they did pass it, right. When they're trying0.89
00:32:06.840to pass it and abortion up till birth for any reason whatsoever right i went to the senate
00:32:14.220hearing and spoke against it and there were you know how many other pastors came to that meeting
00:32:21.220in i mean there's thousands of pastors in minnesota you know many other pastors came
00:32:25.520to that meeting to speak against it zero not one not a single one so people call i i stood out up
00:32:33.220there i told them that god will judge each and every one of you for doing this right you are
00:32:38.340murdering babies but and he will judge you for it but you're gonna and they call me a coward0.96
00:32:42.820but you're gonna coward but you're gonna vote for trump you don't really care about the unborn0.95
00:32:47.020yeah apparently not yeah yeah like i i don't want the man who did that to my state
00:32:52.760right and i mean some i mean that's the horror of this there have been charlie kirk tweeted
00:32:58.040on something you know less than the last day as we're recording this that uh since that bill each
00:33:04.360year there have been eight babies that were born alive and botched abortions where they just let
00:33:08.920them die on the floor right that that is that is horrible like just to to think that they would
00:33:17.700they would allow that they would do that they would pass this bill and make this happen um
00:33:21.900And they want to make that the law in the entire country is I can't let that happen.
00:37:05.100He'll do whatever the En Vogue thing is.
00:37:08.600I mean, 30 years ago, when he was a teacher at Mankato West High School,
00:37:13.680which is 20 minutes from, 20, 25 minutes from my house,
00:37:18.120He proudly started the Gay-Straight Alliance in the high school.
00:37:25.880He was very proud as one of the football coaches to be able to support openly gay students.
00:37:34.340And so this is the 90s he's pushing this.
00:37:36.860So very far left for that time, very transgressive in that period.
00:37:42.720And so he – but that's a – in the upper Midwest and Minnesota, right, you've always had these liberals, these left-wing people who would push these things.
00:37:52.260And the way they do it is we're just nice and friendly.
00:37:56.040We want – we just – we want to have love and tolerance and we want everyone to love each other, right?
00:38:22.440I mean, the things that he did during 2020, I mean, setting up this snitch line, right.0.72
00:38:28.120To put people in jail for violating the lockdowns.
00:38:31.720Like there's, there's, there's a friend of mine who, she went to 90 days.
00:38:35.940She went to prison for 90 days for opening up her coffee shop because it was going to go out of business otherwise because of his lockdowns.
00:38:44.920And while he's prosecuting her and people like her for opening their businesses, he's letting riots go crazy in our streets.
00:38:53.300He is this embodiment of anarcho-tyranny.
00:38:56.720And he wants that for the entire country.1.00
00:38:59.760Kamala Harris wants that for the entire country.1.00
00:39:01.560They want us to be prosecuted for leading normal lives.0.99
00:39:05.440They're a perfect team when you think about it. One presides over the country being burned down and the other one bails out anybody who's punished for it. Like, I mean, Kamala and Tim really are a match made, you know, in heaven. It's almost romantic because it's like these guys have been partners in crime for the last, you know, four years, like all the way back in 2020, you know, they may not have had the plan all the way along and known that, you know, they were going to be seeking the Oval Office together.
00:39:29.920But all the way back in 2020, I mean, they were, you know, alley-oop, you know, like, you know, Tim's like, here's the oop, you know, the alley and there's the oop.
00:39:39.020And so, you know, he's like, hey, you know, I'll turn a blind eye as my entire city, you know, an entire state is burned to an ash heap.
00:39:46.440And, you know, we'll make sure that no one gets arrested.
00:39:48.860And if anybody slips through, you know, our policy and actually does face some kind of penalties and Kamala can swoop in and help donate, you know,
00:39:56.740by, by drawing attention and retweeting, you know, and all this kind of stuff, you know,
00:40:00.600this far left activist group to provide bail for, for, um, thugs.
00:40:23.260The reason I said that, he was doing all the talk show circuits and everything like that, even before the Biden-Trump debate, where I'm like, God, that's a little weird that he's getting the limelight right now.
00:41:17.560First of all, I mean there's a couple – Andrew and I had a fun little back and forth on our show.
00:41:23.680But I think that they have – I think that there's something much more dramatic.
00:41:27.440I mean whether it's the Charles Haywood theory about how they know Trump's going to win and they're going to do an old-fashioned coup and get the power back or whether they're going to actually fortify the election.
00:41:36.680I think whatever way you slice it, Kamala Harris is extremely unpopular and extremely repulsive.1.00
00:41:52.280But I don't think that they – I don't think that there's any benefit to either one of these individuals that's going to make people say, OK, Kamala Harris would be a decent leader of our nation.
00:42:05.000I don't think that's what they're going for at all.
00:42:06.760Yeah, there's no constituency there for either of them in a real sense.
00:42:10.820Like there would have been for like Bill Clinton in the 90s or whatever.0.97
00:42:14.200um and yeah so you're you're right about that that they they're they want to install her as
00:42:20.180president do you guys see the uh the jamie raskin video there's a video of uh representative jamie
00:42:26.700raskin do you guys see that no uh you yeah you need to see it he he's i don't know what where
00:42:33.620this was is private or something like that he's talking about how if trump wins right we need to
00:42:39.260exercise the 14th amendment oh yeah i saw insurrection he was like getting mad at the
00:42:42.960court the supreme court and saying like yes now you made us the bad guy because what's going to
00:42:46.960happen on january 6 2025 is that we're going to have to call in i think he said like call in the
00:42:52.420armed guard uh and um and disqualify him and disqualify him and uh and there's going to be
00:42:59.700riots in the streets and blah blah blah but like but yeah he would none of this was hyperbole on
00:43:04.840his part like he you know he he meant it he was serious he was serious yeah yeah 100 and so like
00:43:11.280they that so to cj's point i mean that might be in the cards for them if if some other thing like
00:43:17.500war or whatever else um isn't um isn't also something i mean you have the you have like
00:43:23.860three or four carrier groups in the persian gulf now or in the area or in the red sea in persian
00:43:28.180gulf right they um they're certainly on this like posture i mean everybody probably saw like last
00:43:34.200week when uh um you know all the gay bars in dc emptied out and all the domino's pizzas got really0.76
00:43:40.460busy uh that's always the all right we're on the verge of war a signal um around the pentagon but0.65
00:43:47.680no i mean anything can happen in um in the next couple weeks i mean we i mean we're forgetting
00:43:53.840like a month ago donald trump got shot at and got shot right that that we all saw that happen
00:44:01.760right and i don't think it was an act just random oh the guy found his way onto the roof like
00:44:06.420we've seen with the secret service and and it's like they basically let him up there
00:44:10.320um all all but like all but like january 6th the cops opening the the gates and like waving
00:44:16.000him in like a third base coach right it's it's all but like that right and so they wanted him
00:44:21.260dead uh people wanted him dead somebody wanted him dead and at least one person did if not many
00:44:27.000um and and so they're going to continue to escalate on these things they do not want to
00:44:32.440let him become president. And so you're right, CJ. Like, yeah, maybe they do that.
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00:52:08.680Um, and so there's considerations like that, but I think, you know, Kamala and her candidacy is just so toxic that the, all the, the big, the big shots in the democratic party just hedged their bets.
00:52:20.760They're like, ah, no, I don't want to be associated with that.
00:52:22.960If you're, if, if you're going to lose, um, I want to, if I, if I'm going to lose, I want to lose on my own terms.
00:52:29.340Um, so that's why Newsom never, never was interested.
00:52:33.240Um, Whitmer, many of these other people, I think they just want to run in 2028.
00:52:37.180makes a lot of sense that means trump that means trump wins cj
00:52:40.640he won last time do you think do you think do you think uh i'll end it with this uh it's
00:52:50.380going to cj just take like 15 seconds uh two-part question one will trump win uh and two will he be
00:52:57.500precedent nice um well so i'm going with um i'm going with no on both yeah i'm going with
00:53:12.200fortification or some emergency that's going to prevent the process from taking place something
00:53:19.420where they have to you know declare some you know big uh response to the fact that democracy
00:53:26.560is under threat by Trump and Putin or something like that.
00:53:30.420So I can see something extraordinary happening.
00:53:33.800So I think that there's going to be a lot more funny business this time.
00:53:37.500They also don't have the same mechanisms that they're capable of doing
00:53:42.520to fortify things like they did in the very specific county-level shenanigans
00:53:48.000that happened last time to pull it off.
00:53:49.800I don't think they're going to be able to do the same thing,
00:53:51.960so it's going to have to do something much more world historical.
00:53:55.640you know some some sort of emergency but i i think that they've got something up their sleeve
00:54:00.600beyond just a uh fall on the sword let let kamala just take the l i don't think they're going to do
00:54:06.100that okay andrew um i mean i i certainly think that something like that could happen i'm always1.00
00:54:15.140open to that possibility right they have a lot of power and they're very stupid and very evil1.00
00:54:20.100So that combo is very dangerous. But I think I think it's it's still very possible. Right. Why do I think like 2016 happened? And I remember seeing the New York Times on Election Day, their election ticker where it said 98 percent certain that Hillary is going to win.0.99
00:54:43.860And then I watched all that evening as it went further and further and further until it was 100 percent Trump.
00:59:40.340You're both leaving a place that is not somewhere where you just lived the last six months, but you've lived there, you know, the funny thing is that that the funny thing is that Kamala Harris is from California and Wallace is from Minnesota.
00:59:53.900And so here, here, Andrew and I are leaving respective states in order to fight, you know, you know, to lead in opposition.
01:00:01.580Well, you know what won't be funny is if you leave Kami Harris, California, and Tim Walls, Minnesota, and you get to Tennessee, but then they end up being president and vice president.
01:00:22.220We'll be praying for you with your transition.
01:00:23.760And I'm hoping that what the Lord does over the coming years and decades in Tennessee with the project there and Ridge Runner, that it bears lots and lots of lasting fruit.