The NXR Podcast - THE INTERVIEW - Why Young Christian Men Are Completely Alone - ICYMI with AD Robles & Andrew Isker

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00:00:43.980 A typical day in the life of the young man in the modern world is to wake up, leave home, sit in a car for part of an hour,

00:00:52.900 arrive at work, interact with people from whom your existence is nothing more than a means to

00:00:59.060 a paycheck. He drives home alone in his car for part of an hour. Even the brutalist architecture

00:01:06.280 that surrounds him is designed to make him feel alone. He goes home alone, maybe to interact with

00:01:14.260 virtual friends on social media or video games, maybe to consume entertainment and pornography

00:01:20.900 alone. He is isolated. He is distant from his family, a family that has been fractured since

00:01:27.360 his parents split up when he was very young. Every waking second of his life, he is confronted

00:01:34.480 with the fact that no one really cares whether he exists or not. This may seem hyperbolic. It may

00:01:41.860 seem like an exaggeration, but these are the conditions that many young people live in today.

00:01:47.780 it's time that christians learn this lesson it is not possible to understand the spiritual

00:01:54.420 miasma of our current era without recognizing how extraordinarily lonely most people are

00:02:01.040 you are utterly alone alone utterly alone it's true yeah yeah now it's not necessarily true 0.95

00:02:13.280 for the Christian man who is working to turn back the tide on Trash World. But for a lot of people, 0.61

00:02:20.620 women, but it seems like even maybe disproportionately more so men, are incredibly

00:02:25.460 alone. This part really, you know, it kind of, it spoke to me in a certain way. Because

00:02:31.360 when I, before I came to Christ, I lived in New York City, which is one of the largest cities

00:02:36.800 on the planet. It's just people on top of people, you know what I mean? They're everywhere. You

00:02:41.760 can't get away um but i was i was pretty you know i was pretty good at isolating myself and i was

00:02:50.420 able to do it very easily you know i'd commute about an hour you know to work because you know

00:02:55.520 even if it's a mile away it takes an hour to get there in new york you know and um i'd pass by

00:03:00.220 just tons of people i had no idea who they were and then i'd go to my room and you know whatever

00:03:06.960 the night brought whether it was drinking whether it was drugs whether it was video games whether

00:03:11.280 there was pornography, whatever it was, I would do that alone. And then on the weekends,

00:03:15.900 I'd get together with my degenerate friends. But my life was lived pretty much alone. Nobody

00:03:20.620 really knew what was going on. And we even had, I worked at a very high turnover kind of sales

00:03:24.960 environment. And we would make a joke of it. People would just vaporize. And I had, I would

00:03:31.140 say it was a index card. I had like 10 index cards with tiny writing of names of people that

00:03:35.760 had come and gone and we had no idea where they went you know why they went it would just be gone

00:03:41.400 but things just kept functioning right and it was a high producing office too it was an office that

00:03:46.360 generated a lot of cash um and these people would just come and go and nobody really even knew

00:03:52.000 nobody even knew even really knew where they lived and it was just it was just an isolating

00:03:56.340 type of experience and again i had friends so i wasn't totally alone but i could live my life

00:04:00.940 for a long time if i didn't see my friends for a few weekends in a row it could be a month and i

00:04:04.920 you know was alone basically the entire time in a city full of people right right yeah and you're

00:04:10.280 completely alone and i think the city um it it exacerbates that feeling of loneliness uh it's

00:04:17.040 it's harder to feel as alone if you're like living out in the country yeah even if you're totally you

00:04:22.060 are totally right you're actually alone it is it's way more intense because you see people all day

00:04:28.060 and they don't care about you at all no right right if you just drop dead right in front of

00:04:31.920 then would they even stop to help you?

00:04:34.400 I've seen people that may or may not have been dead

00:04:36.760 on the side of the street before I was a believer.

00:04:39.000 And I just keep walking.

00:04:40.160 Just keep walking right by them.

00:04:41.160 Yeah, yeah.

00:04:41.980 And so that, and that's in your, like, you know this.

00:04:45.100 Like, you know that this mass of humanity

00:04:48.300 that surrounds you does not care about you at all.

00:04:50.600 You're just one face in a sea of faces.

00:04:54.260 And, you know, that hits you pretty hard, right?

00:04:57.620 That, oh, I don't have anyone.

00:04:59.400 I don't have a people.

00:05:00.500 I don't have a community.

00:05:01.300 I don't have family or real friends.

00:05:04.980 And that's the existence that most people live under today.

00:05:10.200 Yeah.

00:05:10.900 And it's daunting.

00:05:12.780 It's terrifying. 0.98

00:05:13.720 And yeah, and for the Christian, it shouldn't be that way. 0.87

00:05:15.840 Even some Christians have life that is this way. 0.86

00:05:19.500 Even, you know, if you live in a big city and you go to, you know, like a large megachurch, you're just a face in the crowd there too. 0.80

00:05:27.260 You know, if you go to a church that has 15,000 people, well, you can go there for years and never

00:05:33.120 know anybody. And of course, a lot of people like that. Like that's the draw. Yeah, that's the draw.

00:05:38.360 One of the main attractions, I think, for a lot of megachurches is the lights. I mean, literally,

00:05:42.960 the lights are turned down low. The music is loud. So I can't see you. I can't hear you.

00:05:48.620 I can come in a little bit late and I can leave a little bit early. And it's just an experience.

00:05:53.400 I don't have to actually be accountable to anybody

00:05:55.500 or know anybody, meet anybody.

00:05:57.820 Like that is-

00:05:58.600 It's like going to a movie theater.

00:05:59.760 Right, that's not the bug.

00:06:01.500 You don't make any friends in the movie theater.

00:06:03.900 Right.

00:06:04.360 You just hope they stay quiet.

00:06:06.260 Right, yeah, yeah.

00:06:07.740 And people like that.

00:06:10.180 And it seems like we're such a lonely society today

00:06:13.680 and the church sadly is,

00:06:16.480 well, I think the church probably does better on this one.

00:06:18.820 The church, in many cases,

00:06:20.800 is kind of like, here's the culture, here's the church.

00:06:22.980 you know and it's like pam from the office it's the same picture yeah same you know but i think

00:06:26.680 that you know the church um on this the church on this generally generally does better i think you

00:06:32.180 you know in fact there are people who aren't even christian who will still go to a church just to

00:06:36.360 try to make some friends yeah you know like that that is one of the draws and so praise god for

00:06:40.620 that um but even within the church though there still is um a lack of friendship that i think you

00:06:47.440 know prior generations experience and especially for older men uh to where like i think for men

00:06:53.260 um the only relationships they have at all is with their wife and children yeah um you know like

00:06:59.640 where you you'll hear the language of like my wife is my best friend you know um that kind of

00:07:04.120 language and she's my only friend the only one i have the only person that cares my only friend

00:07:08.440 you know it's like um you know but meanwhile she has lots of friends yeah she usually has lots of

00:07:14.500 but a lot of guys it's like your wife is your only friend that you have and so really i what

00:07:20.460 we're talking about i think in this episode is brotherhood yeah and anytime you know you see

00:07:25.400 deep profound brotherhood um it's rare but when you do see it even the church uh thinks like well

00:07:33.460 it must be gay yeah you know like so like like so david and jonathan there's you know there's no way 0.80

00:07:39.500 that those two guys could actually just be friends like no they must be gay they must be gay yeah 0.91

00:07:44.360 yeah that's i mean that's what the world does with any close friendships and you see this like 0.99

00:07:48.840 like reddit uh idiots you know like they try to imply that two characters in a tv show they're 0.98

00:07:55.600 secretly gay right like all the time that's all they do and and really well in most tv shows they 0.99

00:08:01.120 turn out to be they end up being that yeah the writers eventually you know reward them i don't 0.62

00:08:04.940 watch these gay shows that's right i don't know what you're talking about but um but that i think

00:08:10.620 it's it's part of um a people that that simply do not know what what male friendship looks like

00:08:17.860 entails what they've never experienced it before they they don't know anything other than than

00:08:22.160 you know with this like the lust and sexual desire that's the only thing they can comprehend

00:08:27.920 eroticism yeah yeah and it's like so of course they their mind goes that way because that's the

00:08:34.120 only form of relationship they between two people they can even comprehend and i think that with

00:08:39.620 that the church gears towards it does a better job than the world and facilitate facilitating

00:08:44.600 relationship and community but primarily for women not for men and i think part of the reason why is

00:08:49.980 because back to the whole you know gnostic thing that we've been talking about but gnosticism

00:08:54.040 pietism this whole thing this world is not my home so if the world's not your home if jesus is coming

00:08:59.100 back next thursday if things if god is ordained it's actually spelled out that things must get

00:09:04.960 worse and worse until jesus comes back and he's coming back relatively soon and this world is not

00:09:09.080 our home and the world is going to dissolve like snow and we believe we take that in a literal

00:09:13.480 sense you know it's going to be burned with fire you know like all these kind of things you know

00:09:17.540 um and and for the record i we don't believe any of those things that i just listed but that's what

00:09:22.700 a lot of people do believe if you believe those kinds of things then building doesn't make much

00:09:27.280 sense and here's the problem um the essence of in my experience the essence of male relationship

00:09:33.680 male friendships has always been around fighting and building whereas the essence of female

00:09:38.160 relationships part of the reason why christian women in the church have more relationships than

00:09:42.860 christian men is because the church itself what it focuses on is introspection it's uh sharing

00:09:50.340 you know and divulging and and you know these it's like dna groups gospel groups confessing

00:09:57.280 your sin these kind of you know what's your enneagram right yeah exactly and so uh those

00:10:02.020 kinds of things whereas like for for men uh there's such a de-emphasis on building and fighting

00:10:08.820 and restoring christendom mission and right yeah but for like the best friendships i've ever had

00:10:14.540 in my life is because we were building something together yeah and if we're not the moment that

00:10:19.660 the project stopped here's the iron the moment that the project stopped then the relationship

00:10:25.600 it did get gay like not now they didn't get like super gay i don't have something to confess to it 0.65

00:10:30.440 You know, like, I'm not in the literal sense, you know, this is not a confession, but, you 0.87

00:10:34.620 know, but in the metaphorical sense, it got like, it's like, Hey dude, how are you doing?

00:10:39.720 How are you doing?

00:10:40.660 Hey, yeah.

00:10:42.260 You want to go do something like this is weird.

00:10:44.080 Yeah.

00:10:44.360 Like, let's, let's go do, let's do something because if we weren't building, if we weren't

00:10:48.900 making something or fighting something like right, right now, like all, you know, all

00:10:53.260 three of us are on, you know, we have all these different things that we keep up with,

00:10:56.480 you know, with friendships and stuff like that, but it's all circulating on around

00:11:00.340 um building and fighting yeah there's a there's a particular mission that we are all aligned on and

00:11:06.240 and we have this vision and goal that we're all striving towards together and that's yeah all the

00:11:12.640 you know close male friendships i've had that's it's been the same way you know it's like there's

00:11:17.140 a reason why you know men in like a a locker room or young men in a locker room like a football team

00:11:23.440 are really tight really close and this is like the strongest bonds that they have or men that

00:11:27.420 were in the military, you know, the closest friendships they ever had were, were those

00:11:31.400 ones where you're, you're like literally in a foxhole with another guy and facing death.

00:11:36.480 Uh, well, you're gonna, you're gonna have a strong bond with, with these, these other

00:11:39.900 guys, but even, you know, even going back, like I, I will, you know, attend or do funerals

00:11:45.080 for like elderly, you know, men from, you know, two or three generations back.

00:11:50.780 And you see, you know, on the, on the program, well, this guy was a member of the lion's

00:11:54.800 club and the elks and the rotary and all of these different you know he was in everything and on all

00:12:01.120 these he had tons of relationships with all these people in the community and it's because all of it

00:12:05.800 was centered around different types of mission different things they were trying to build and do

00:12:09.980 and accomplish together that's what men do um and you see that like and you see you know if you go

00:12:16.800 on like the facebook page of your local rotary club or or whatever something like that or lions

00:12:21.600 or any of that. And it's all 70 plus year old men. They don't, they don't have any young men

00:12:27.300 involved in those things anymore. There's all sorts of reasons for that. We've talked about

00:12:31.880 many of them, um, in, in this series here, but, um, men, I think are conditioned to be alone and

00:12:40.020 expect to be alone and don't go and join things. Don't participate in things because, um, they,

00:12:45.780 they want to be alone, right? They want to be isolated. They don't want to have someone involved

00:12:49.340 in their life um they they go to the big mega church where they can be anonymous because they

00:12:53.460 don't want somebody watching over them i mean so it's a kind of a two-way street like they're

00:12:57.880 they're very isolated and they're depressed and anxious and life is miserable because they're

00:13:02.340 isolated but at the same time they they don't want to not be yeah because that's costly use

00:13:07.340 a trade-off that described me you know for to a t because like i said i had degenerate friends

00:13:11.460 and we would do degeneracy you know all the time together that was the mission but well that's true

00:13:16.500 but but you know to be honest there were things that i i didn't want my friends knowing what i

00:13:20.520 was up to yeah you know i don't want them to know that i was drinking as much as i was yeah or doing

00:13:24.880 whatever i was what is i was doing like i kind of wanted to be like i could have hung out with them

00:13:29.780 every day if i wanted to but i chose not to you know what i mean i wanted to be alone and i think

00:13:35.080 one of the things i found so interesting in your book is you mentioned at one point it was just

00:13:40.000 like a line about how they've been tricked into thinking they're introverts or something like

00:13:43.840 that or something like that. People talk about that all the time. All the time. Right. I'm an

00:13:48.020 introvert. Exactly. Exactly. And I've said that about myself before, you know, I, you know, when

00:13:52.080 I go to an event like the fight, laugh, feast conference, I'm always dreading it going up to

00:13:55.860 the event, but I always have a great time. You know what I mean? You heard it here. Everyone

00:13:59.620 doesn't like going. I've said this many times. Yeah. I've said this many times. Um, yeah,

00:14:04.160 this is no secret, but I always have a great time and it doesn't feel stressful for me to talk to

00:14:09.160 people. I always have a great time. Um, but you know, I, I, I do feel like I was almost like

00:14:16.040 not, maybe not programmed to be, uh, think I was an introvert, but to almost wear it as a badge

00:14:21.180 of honor, you know, almost that, that, that I, I can be alone. I I'm okay with that. I don't need

00:14:26.060 to have these friends and things like that. Yeah. And like, well, then the whole like a

00:14:29.880 concept of introversion, extroversion is really just what is the thing that drains you? Yeah.

00:14:34.580 Right. Uh, is, does being alone make you tired and wipe you out or just being with people,

00:14:40.080 you know? And I, I always, I always thought like, oh, Andrew, you're, you're an extrovert.

00:14:43.600 Like you, uh, you love being around people and talking with people and hanging out with people.

00:14:47.580 And I do, I love it. Uh, but things, things just like that, going to conferences and talking to

00:14:53.080 people all day, like I come home from it. I'm, I am exhausted. I am so tired and I need like a

00:14:58.860 week to just lock myself in my office and read and think. And it's like, oh, maybe I'm an

00:15:04.280 introvert i don't want to be because of this like reddit concept of like oh i'm an introvert and

00:15:08.540 that means i can just watch video game or play video games all day and and i'm good uh it's like

00:15:13.360 this badge of honor like you say um and i didn't want to wear that but it's like i think i am

00:15:17.820 right but you um at the same time like it's it's this culturally and socially conditioned concept

00:15:25.560 where you should exalt in your own loneliness yeah and your own isolation and your own kind

00:15:31.340 of weirdness like people people want to be uh super weird on purpose and off-putting uh because

00:15:37.900 then they then they have an excuse yeah then it's kind of a cope like well my own my loneliness

00:15:41.980 people they won't get me you know they won't understand me right so not just because you're

00:15:45.740 a freak yeah yeah i'm gonna like do this like deep uh spurgy dive onto uh us every facet of

00:15:52.600 star trek information you know like and only talk about that and then i that's why i don't have any

00:15:56.600 friends, you know? And it's like, no, no, it's just because you're weird and you want to be.

00:16:02.140 Yeah. And I think deep down, again, I think that I was ashamed of some of the stuff I was doing,

00:16:07.660 you know? And I wore the badge of introversion as a cope, essentially, because I really,

00:16:14.460 what I didn't want is people to know what I was up to.

00:16:16.440 Yeah. Yeah, exactly. It's a defense mechanism, really, more than anything else.

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00:18:30.820 living in trash world like one of the things that i want young men especially to realize and

00:18:36.260 i say young men that's a relative term 30s 40s and we're young but yeah of course yeah yeah

00:18:40.900 but what i want them to realize is like no but you've got to touch grass

00:18:44.020 you you have to um you have to actually have some real friendships that you live nearby so like

00:18:52.160 that's part of what i want to get to is like because like i think a lot of us it's like oh

00:18:56.500 i have friends i have 30 uh 30 friends on twitter yeah you know we're on a group chat you know on

00:19:03.240 signal where we you know we're formulating our twitter strategies you know blah blah blah it's

00:19:07.940 like okay that's great um that's fine you know it's even that it's relatively those can be real

00:19:13.120 friends too they can be yeah yeah but what i'm what what i'm trying to get at is it like um

00:19:20.100 but when it rains it pours and when you know when the next thing because there will be a next thing

00:19:24.800 you know whatever you know if it's world war three you know god forbid or covid round two or you know

00:19:31.220 whatever something we can't even think it really helps when you know someone who's within a 10

00:19:36.160 mile radius who who can like be at your front doorstep your people yeah who are the guys that

00:19:43.220 you would call to check on your wife if you were away exactly you know exactly yep exactly yeah

00:19:48.720 so having and really what we're getting at is like you need a church like you need a local church i

00:19:54.140 think there's still a lot of because what you're getting at in that chapter andrew is the atomized

00:19:58.540 man you know like that that man right now like again you know trash world has you know it has

00:20:04.140 rulers in in this regime and they want people who are easily manipulated people who are easy to

00:20:10.180 to control um so okay like we've talked a lot about the physical um but like okay let's make 0.83

00:20:16.000 sure they're fat let's make sure they're sickly let's make sure uh let's definitely make sure

00:20:19.960 that they're chemically castrated that they have low t levels you know they have low testosterone 0.87

00:20:23.920 they're not very aggressive um all those kinds of things but in addition to that um let's also

00:20:29.420 make sure that they're lonely. Let's make sure that they don't have households. They don't have

00:20:36.660 capital. They don't have property. They don't own anything. They don't have a wife. They don't

00:20:40.760 have children. Let's keep them single and let's keep them lonely. And if they do somehow end up 1.00

00:20:46.160 with a wife and end up with kids and end up owning a home, well, at least let's make sure that the

00:20:51.100 only friends they have are in the comment sections on YouTube or on Twitter. Let's make sure that

00:20:56.460 They don't actually have brick-and-mortar, flesh-and-blood friendships within proximity, because those are defensible.

00:21:06.300 That's defensible.

00:21:07.320 Like, when you have a local church with real people who think the same way, who all own property in the same town, and some have run for local office, and you have this and that, like that, now we're talking about something that actually is not just spiritually a threat, but it is spiritually.

00:21:26.460 and literally a threat politically culturally all of this like i i mentioned this in the book you

00:21:31.880 know it's it's funny you know i will talk to uh relative very conservative uh boomer generation

00:21:38.420 you know relatives about you know things going on in politics and how bad stuff is and things like

00:21:43.720 that and you know they will always eventually at some point in the conversation go to well if it

00:21:50.320 gets bad enough we still got all the guns and like i mean i'm sure you guys have all heard this kind

00:21:55.660 stuff before all the time and i always just like like laugh at that because it's like okay you've

00:22:02.560 got guns what are you gonna do right like what are you gonna do like and and like they're they're 0.93

00:22:07.980 they're chopping off the genitals of little boys uh take them away from their parents right right 0.96

00:22:12.060 is it not bad enough yet yeah and no one's doing anything uh and and and so it's the the interesting 0.97

00:22:18.720 thing there is like you know they'll talk about well yeah we could we could fight the u.s government

00:22:23.660 but they lost to the Taliban and, and they're just a, you know,

00:22:26.960 a bunch of goaters in, in, in Afghanistan. Like we could win.

00:22:31.980 And it's like, no, you couldn't because you don't have,

00:22:36.320 like you would be alone. You're not organized. You're not like, and,

00:22:39.740 and again, we're not, we're not trying to foment, you know,

00:22:43.300 violent revolution. Absolutely not. We're against it completely. Yeah.

00:22:46.480 Yeah. Totally not. I, I reject all, all violence.

00:22:50.800 um most violence most violence i reject i reject that idea right of a violent you reject the being

00:23:00.300 the initiator yeah yeah don't if i'm not gonna come to me yeah yeah i will then we will i'll

00:23:05.260 protect my family yeah yeah exactly um but um right they say this kind of stuff and they do

00:23:10.680 these kind of like verbal fed posts all the time and it's like no you you don't get it you don't

00:23:15.020 have um you don't have a community you don't have people you don't like if if the the governor of

00:23:20.960 your state just unilaterally banned guns and was going to come confiscate them and you said i'm

00:23:26.100 not taking this i'm going to fight like you would be alone a swat team would come and they would

00:23:30.460 kill you yeah you're not going to call you know 50 friends and set up an ambush for the swat team 0.84

00:23:35.660 they're not going to go die for you right um and you don't have anybody you're going to go die for 0.99

00:23:39.780 if the roles are reversed like that that world does not exist but it did if they tried to do it 0.97

00:23:45.000 in like 1945, uh, with all the GIs that came back from the war, they would never have been able to

00:23:51.120 do it because these guys actually would have done that stuff. And they had communities and families

00:23:55.180 and, you know, extended networks in their, in, in their localities where they would easily do that.

00:24:01.280 And we have an example of it. There was, um, I believe it was in Tennessee. I mentioned in the

00:24:05.280 book, um, yeah, Athens, Tennessee, where there was a, um, a most secure election of all time

00:24:12.080 that happened in their uh in their county where the corrupt government just like stole all the

00:24:17.380 ballot boxes and started stuffing them and and all of these gi's in like 1946 came back and they

00:24:22.620 just grabbed their m1s and they lead siege to the county courthouse and won and and nobody went to 0.99

00:24:29.860 jail none of this they got the sheriff kicked out and all this kind of stuff they they won it and

00:24:34.180 it's like something like that is totally inconceivable today right so when i hear the

00:24:38.640 people talk well if it gets bad enough we got all the guns like you don't have that world at all

00:24:43.720 what the what the vietcong have like the social capital that existed in in vietnam fighting the

00:24:49.900 u.s military or uh the social capital that exists in afghanistan that does not exist anywhere maybe

00:24:56.700 in some amish communities and that's about it in the entire u.s that it does not exist anywhere 0.84

00:25:02.640 else and that's that's by design it's not by accident they want people to be isolated they 0.99

00:25:07.160 want them to be spread out you know they want kids to grow up and one kid lives in washington

00:25:11.740 the other kid lives in florida the other one lives in texas and they want they don't want

00:25:15.540 family living near each other where it's like yep there's my second cousin and there's my third

00:25:20.380 cousin once removed and like you don't want to live in a community where you're related to half

00:25:24.020 the people um they don't they don't want you to have that they don't want you to have men that

00:25:28.780 are part of every civic organization in town and have deep connections to people they want you to

00:25:33.480 be alone they want you to just pull into your cul-de-sac not know the first names of any of

00:25:38.480 your immediate neighbors and go in watch tv leave the cul-de-sac go to go to work and then come back

00:25:44.920 and that's your life that's what they want like that is by design and so how do you overcome that

00:25:50.940 right how do you get over that well one very first step is like knock on your neighbor's door and

00:25:56.560 introduce yourself right one like get to know people in your neighborhood maybe maybe even

00:26:02.100 have a block party and and invite them into your house and and like actually build relationships

00:26:07.440 with people um and join different organizations in your your local community like join there's

00:26:14.020 all sorts of different clubs and things that you have interest in uh that you can be part of that

00:26:17.900 always need people to volunteer and help out um there are all the civic organizations that are 0.91

00:26:23.340 graying and about to to die uh you could you and like five buddies could take over your local lions 0.69

00:26:28.780 club um or even if you want to join the american legion right you could take that organization over

00:26:33.540 in your local town like think things like that like it's so it would be so easy if you just do

00:26:38.500 it uh but it takes work it takes time uh but you begin to have uh these this these deep roots in a

00:26:46.240 place and all of a sudden right now the social capital doesn't exist you're slowly rebuilding

00:26:53.060 And it is the thing like, yeah, the the cathedrals burned down. It took centuries to build and it burns down in a day where you're not going to build the same kind of social capital, even in like one lifetime that took your ancestors generations to build.

00:27:07.780 but you can at least begin to slowly stack that up and then have your children add to it and so

00:27:15.260 on and so forth and it has to start with someone consciously doing the opposite of what the regime

00:27:20.720 wants you to do and going well out of your way to do that right and and the the men who do that

00:27:27.560 will be king right yep covet was helpful in that regard it was you know again oh yeah it was a

00:27:34.340 mercy from the lord um because it did allow at least temporarily it allowed for people to become

00:27:40.100 mobile um people who ordinarily you know they were stuck they had to live where they lived

00:27:46.280 because of their job and then all of a sudden they were able to work remotely and a lot of

00:27:50.080 businesses you know lots of them have gone back to you know people coming in but a lot of a lot

00:27:55.120 of economics have has forever changed since covid you know some of it's not going back you know

00:28:00.720 stuff has gone back but some things will never go back and a lot of the places only went back

00:28:04.880 because they're locked into a commercial right a real estate deal where they have an office and

00:28:09.020 it's just empty so like well you better come back so we can justify having it right uh but

00:28:13.680 there are plenty of places that didn't and to remain competitive in the labor market they have

00:28:17.680 to allow that right you know exactly that's been that's probably been like the biggest boost for

00:28:21.720 like you know this is not a this is not a communist dsa podcast but like the biggest boost for like

00:28:27.540 labor and workers is work from home right that's like the first gain we've made in a century

00:28:33.240 right of like life getting better is that now you can work you don't have to communicate anymore

00:28:37.780 and you can live wherever you want like that's a huge deal and so with that with that grace from

00:28:42.640 the lord um now is it like i mean that's probably the most common email that i get is do you know

00:28:48.720 of a church in my area do you know of a church might like people are churchless yeah you know

00:28:53.500 because um what what we've seen you know when the veil was torn back in 2020 as it pertained to

00:28:59.700 evangelicalism was that uh a lot of our leaders were corrupt and a lot of them were you know

00:29:05.160 they kowtowed to you know everything that caesar said and quickly you know immediately gave it

00:29:10.820 immediately yeah and we're very hesitant uh to take a stand i mean they're very slow to you know

00:29:16.040 you know i mean there are certain churches that didn't gather for a year you know longer you know 0.96

00:29:21.060 yeah yeah so anyway so all that being said you've got a lot of uh de-churched uh christians right

00:29:26.820 now but you have a lot of de-churched christians right now who who are actually able to move

00:29:32.360 if they wanted to and i'm not saying it's easy right like i mean maybe that maybe they're locked 0.94

00:29:37.480 in with a really low interest rate if they moved and bought a house you know seven percent interest

00:29:42.200 rate or whatever but um but it's be more it'd be more doable a geographic move across the country

00:29:49.280 than than any time previously absolutely and that's i think when we talk about you know

00:29:55.020 friendship particularly male friendship um that's i think that's part of it is actually being

00:30:00.600 physically in the same location to where you can be building together um in a literal sense and

00:30:07.520 not just virtually yeah and it might mean like getting the guys in your group chat to like move

00:30:12.000 to where you are or vice versa you know like i mean if you really are on the same page with all

00:30:16.140 these guys like and these are your brothers that you love and care about like all right go to the

00:30:20.720 same place well could you imagine like and that's where i i feel like that's again where we that's

00:30:26.240 that's like the line we're like okay we're gonna be we're serious and we're gonna put dents in the

00:30:31.700 gates of hell to a point but we can't we can't be too successful i mean we wouldn't want to win

00:30:37.320 after all you know we lose down here that would produce cultural christianity like we find each

00:30:41.280 other you know through youtube and twitter and this that and the other and then we start our

00:30:45.200 our chat and you got 30 guys who like who really agree on like 99.9 percent of things and and guys

00:30:52.580 with spine and with courage and all this kind of yeah um but then but then they you don't go the

00:30:59.880 extra step you don't go the extra step and say like like what if we teamed up and and part of

00:31:05.500 it's because guys have responsibility these are men they have wives they have children they have

00:31:09.780 schools you know i'm not talking about public schools but you know but christian schools and

00:31:14.320 they have churches and they have uh they have aging fathers and mothers so that's i think that's

00:31:19.840 part of it oh yeah um but but if it's at all possible i think the way that god has designed

00:31:25.920 a man it's just duty after duty after duty right authority flows to those who take responsibility

00:31:30.800 yeah and and you just the responsibilities keep coming and that is and i don't not saying that

00:31:35.320 as a bad thing like no it's a good thing it's it's it's a it's an honor it's an honor a glory

00:31:40.600 for a man and so he just weight gets stacked and he can carry that weight and some more weight and

00:31:46.140 progressively throughout your life and by the end you look back and you're like you're carrying a

00:31:49.960 mountain by the grace of god strengthening you but the point is that um guys have so much

00:31:55.260 responsibility and duty that's that's progressively you know gradually hoisted upon them i think that's

00:32:00.680 what that's what roots them there um and and so i guess i'm not saying it's impossible once you're

00:32:06.560 a little bit older in your 30s and 40s but if anybody's listening to this who's younger like

00:32:11.560 one of the biggest things that i would like grab a guy in his 20s by the collar and say is like

00:32:16.420 okay so you don't have seven kids yet you know what i mean and your and your parents aren't um

00:32:23.020 aren't 70 you know or whatever and aging and you and you haven't bought a house yet you know and

00:32:29.520 i feel for you because it's going to be really hard if if even possible to do that when it comes

00:32:33.340 But my point is right now, like, this is it.

00:32:38.140 This is the moment.

00:32:39.380 Find those 15 based dudes that you're talking to and like, you know, and move right there and set up shop, you know, because later on it becomes increasingly hard.

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00:35:13.000 so wash yourself in the word but you got to have friendships in person oh yeah it can't just be

00:35:20.700 online that's my point it's got to be flesh and blood in person and it's not to say like i mean

00:35:25.140 there are uh friendships that i have online that with guys that i've known for years and i talk to

00:35:31.080 every day that i've never met in person you know and it's it's i mean it's a different world

00:35:36.520 than, than, than ever before. Uh, but you, you could have these deep, intimate connections with

00:35:43.100 guys, um, and not have ever encountered them in flesh and blood. And it's, it's even weirder now

00:35:49.260 with AI cause maybe they're fake. I don't really know. Um, well, if you met him 10 years ago,

00:35:53.880 you'd probably say, yeah, I'm probably okay. Yeah, exactly. Um, some of these guys break the mold

00:35:57.560 though. I know who you're talking about. I don't think they make AI like that. No, not yet. Not

00:36:02.540 when they do then we're in trouble uh but yeah so it's like these are real friendships and i

00:36:09.480 would love it if we could be in the same place together that would be awesome and and the older

00:36:14.280 you get the harder it is to ever bring anything like that about um but especially when you're

00:36:19.820 younger you should be you know in your in your 20s you should be thinking okay what are my duties

00:36:23.880 and responsibilities and where can i go to build with other other men that want to build as well

00:36:29.700 And that should be the priority in your mind is thinking, okay, what's going to occur? What's my general idea of the direction and trajectory of everything over the next 40 or 50 years? And where should I be to accomplish the things that I think God can use me to do? That's how you need to be thinking right now.

00:36:51.700 Yeah. Yeah. And this is going to look different in, like you guys have some insane, different

00:36:56.800 situations call for different things. I mean, you might, you might live in a town where, you know,

00:37:01.100 your family's well-established and, you know, you, you know, everybody you're related to half the

00:37:06.480 people. And you, you may want to go out as an outpost and meet up with some, you know, 15 other

00:37:13.460 base guys and your town's going to be just fine. Or you could be in a town where, you know, things

00:37:17.780 are precarious. Like you're saying, you have an older relative and things like that. And you just,

00:37:21.700 it wouldn't make sense to move, actually, it would maybe be an abandonment of your duties

00:37:24.980 if you moved. So these are things that, like, there's no Band-Aid answer for, you know,

00:37:30.020 everybody is the same answer. Yeah. Here's what you should do, every single one of you.

00:37:33.460 Right, right. But I think the point of this is understanding the fact that we collectively have

00:37:41.380 been atomized to the point where, you know, they want us to be alone. We are alone, many of us.

00:37:48.040 And so making decisions on where you live,

00:37:49.980 where you work, what you do,

00:37:51.780 knowing that that is the current situation

00:37:53.900 and we want to reverse that situation.

00:37:55.780 We want to end that.

00:37:56.600 We want to destroy that.

00:37:57.580 Yeah, yeah.

00:37:58.300 Yep.

00:37:59.160 Absolutely.

00:37:59.480 Yeah, I think, you know,

00:38:01.020 like I said earlier in one of the previous episodes,

00:38:03.900 but church planting has followed this same mode

00:38:07.040 that people got spread out.

00:38:08.560 They got, you know, isolated.

00:38:10.780 We got spread too thin.

00:38:12.240 And I think the name of the game right now,

00:38:14.160 and that's part of why, you know,

00:38:15.220 i wrote the little fight by flight but i think part of the and it's not you know to flee to avoid

00:38:20.400 the battle but it's to you know to run to you know the mountains run to you know the defensible

00:38:25.060 ground turn around and start fighting and then slowly progressively take back uh the land but

00:38:31.060 all that being said i think um one you know we spread our our troops too thin and the name of

00:38:36.320 the game right now is like i know it's you know not the best example but i you know i think of

00:38:40.460 the avengers it's like not just you know not just i know here we go i'm not saying you know i know 0.86

00:38:46.340 the movies are it's the epitome of faking gay but i'm just saying as a principle i can't believe 0.72

00:38:51.380 we're going there as a principle so i don't know whatever whatever kind of team but my point is 0.86

00:38:56.680 like teams i think right now are the name of the game like avengers assemble yeah yeah like instead

00:39:01.860 of isolated you know isolated uh little you know renegade you know all factors yeah but like no

00:39:09.920 actually come instead of guerrilla warfare actually having organized platoons yeah that's

00:39:15.320 a whole like that's a lot and the internet the internet is a is a double-edged sword you know

00:39:20.680 you know it gives you these relationships that have the facade of being real but they're really

00:39:25.200 not real but then again you can also use it as a tool to create these real real relationships

00:39:30.880 i was just talking to uh to to our producer uh backstage about video games and we were talking

00:39:36.840 about in the old days when we used to play Goldeneye together, right? Yeah. In the living room.

00:39:41.240 We would all be in the same living room. And so, and so we could actually play the game. We're all

00:39:45.780 together, you know, and I, you know, punched my brother, you know, for doing something and stuff

00:39:49.540 like that. For screen watching. You know, things like that. Yeah. For screen watching. You knew I

00:39:52.900 was there. And that was a lot of fun, you know? Oh yeah. And, and, and so video games now, you

00:39:57.660 know, I don't play them anymore, but when I did they're all online. And so I'm still playing with

00:40:02.180 people. Um, but it's just not the same. It is, it does not create the bond. That being said,

00:40:08.140 you know, my biological brother, you know, we would use, we would play Madden back when I was

00:40:12.220 in college and it would just be like, for us, it'd be a phone call basically. Right. So that's

00:40:16.400 how we talked on the phone. We would play Madden together talking. Right. And, um, that was, you

00:40:21.560 know, it's a, it was useful in that way, but it really, it does not, uh, replace when we used to

00:40:27.300 play together in the same room. Right. You know what I mean? Absolutely. Yeah. I never got to

00:40:31.040 the online uh the furthest i ever got was halo one land you know yeah land parties yeah a bunch

00:40:37.040 of nerds yeah that was my in in high school we would stay we would pull oh yeah i did in high

00:40:41.480 school yeah yeah and then i did it in college yeah it was great and then i did it after college

00:40:45.740 i think what halo are they on at this point six six okay so i was playing halo one i think when

00:40:56.840 like the fifth one came out and it's like and everybody's like could we please play a different

00:41:00.660 halo but they've got new weapons now man i was like yeah like i never even got to dual wielding

00:41:06.300 it was just halo one that's this is old school yeah so but but the point is the kids don't even

00:41:12.560 watching in person flesh and blood with your friends because because what would happen is

00:41:16.820 like all right you finish that game and now everybody's going to get up and you're all going

00:41:20.160 to grab a drink together you know on the back porch or whatever and then you're going to come

00:41:23.200 back and you're going to play another game let's order a pizza you know like and you're going to

00:41:26.760 talk about how you sniped your buddy away across the screen and there's camaraderie and but like

00:41:31.220 you actually can pat a guy on the back and you know and you know where he lives in real life

00:41:35.800 you know not you know like yeah this is a real person and so yeah you need that i think the name

00:41:40.940 of the game is um it's it's funny but like i really think the church planning thing did a

00:41:45.740 number on evangelicalism i think we spread ourselves so thin and now what you have is

00:41:51.200 you've got a bunch of people who a bunch of people who are just they're lonely and the bar just

00:41:56.380 everything went down you know to the lowest common denominator to where you've got all these guys who

00:42:02.580 went through some church planting assessment and that aren't really qualified um but could you

00:42:07.860 imagine like i mean moscow is you know the quintessential example but they're not the

00:42:11.980 only ones who are doing it there are other people you know like apologia is doing a good job the

00:42:16.620 ogden guys with brian and eric you know and dan they're doing a good job and like what when you

00:42:22.000 get like it's it doesn't take a million guys yeah i think i think three's the magic number when you

00:42:27.280 get three um high value godly men like and they're in the same location then it just snowballs people

00:42:36.300 just come people keep coming they're attracted to that and then you can form a school with ease

00:42:42.560 because you have resources and you start buying land as individuals not as a church institute

00:42:48.040 but individuals that make up the church and starting businesses and yeah and then you know

00:42:52.780 40 years it took doug 40 years it doesn't have to take us 40 years because he was the only one

00:42:58.140 doing it took him 40 years because yeah exactly that's not and he they had to make because he

00:43:02.780 was the mistakes and everything exactly and they're they're inventing the wheel well the

00:43:06.480 wheel's been invented we should be able to exactly so yeah it took doug 40 years not because he's

00:43:10.580 a dope but because he's the only one who was willing to do it he's a champion yeah absolutely

00:43:15.480 but uh the guys our generation looking to that champion uh it doesn't have to take us 40 years

00:43:21.820 because of his hard work we can stand on his shoulders and i think if guys right now would

00:43:26.060 say hey you know what instead of uh all three of us getting to be a church planter why don't uh why

00:43:30.860 don't we be willing to be bivocational at least for the foreseeable future and and we'll take you

00:43:36.660 know maybe we take a housing allowance and we plant a church together three high value you know

00:43:40.960 caliber guys you do that it starts attracting people then you have those resources

00:43:45.040 and it's like you got to skip the first 10 years of the moscow project you know and now you're into

00:43:50.480 like 10 you know you're 11 and 12 even though you're technically only on year three or four

00:43:55.380 and it just it builds and it builds and it builds and i think that's that's what we need right now

00:43:59.440 and yeah and the cool thing about that is not just that those guys you know the leaders that

00:44:04.680 they can have that camaraderie and that that male friendship together building and fighting together

00:44:09.000 but it attracts a certain type of person and then all those people they find each other too

00:44:14.360 everybody in the church has the same kind of bond exactly and like the feeling that you get when you

00:44:18.840 go to like fight laugh feast or something the feeling you get for a week at a conference

00:44:22.520 becomes just life yeah your whole life is like yeah our kids all go to this school together like

00:44:27.940 like the the feeling of fight laugh feast for a week for most people is a feeling of uh christ

00:44:33.940 church people normal life normal life yeah yeah and and it could be normal life for a lot more

00:44:38.940 people yeah i remember that i mean we lived there for three years and that's what it was like it was

00:44:42.340 just people everywhere there's always things to go to and do and be involved in and you go to

00:44:47.820 psalm sings and it's all the people all different people that you know from church and you're out

00:44:51.800 there and then like yeah when i see the the video of like gabe getting arrested you know it's like

00:44:55.860 i'm looking at the crowd i'm like i know like 80 of those people that are there with him and it's

00:45:02.560 like and they're all there and and i can just imagine like the thrill of that happening right

00:45:09.440 and there and you're confronting something that's totally wrong you know to not allow you to sing

00:45:14.160 and and worship um and and you're fighting together and you're right you know it's like oh

00:45:21.680 and it doesn't just have to be there it can be in all sorts of different places you know and you

00:45:26.920 can build that and and that's that's what we need it's not that you know it's no one is is ragging

00:45:32.360 on on moscow at all um at least not here in this room right uh and plenty of people yeah plenty

00:45:38.420 people are but not us um and and the question is not you know well can we make you know is

00:45:44.840 moscow good it's like well yeah it is but there should be a thousand places like moscow is all

00:45:49.880 the world to become moscow i would say we can only hope and pray i hope so i hope so it sounds great

00:45:56.520 except for the u of i get rid of that so all right well i i feel like that's a good episode

00:46:02.340 but just friendship matters the virtual thing finding people online that's a great social

00:46:06.400 media is a grace twitter it's it's great the fact that we can find people and and there is a sense

00:46:11.580 of of warring and fighting and building online um so so it's you know the whole you know expression

00:46:18.000 twitter's not real life is true but it's also not true it's real life but you need to take

00:46:23.220 the not real life the the the virtual reality part of it into real life yeah exactly so so do

00:46:29.660 those things but then use that and say that's why we're all here in the same room by the way exactly

00:46:33.680 because we found each other in this thing that's not real life but it turns out it is somewhat

00:46:38.260 real life because we're all three real people and we're sitting in a real room you know and so

00:46:42.560 yeah it is not an ai construct that's right he's a real human right here so so do that you know

00:46:48.240 partner with those guys and especially if you know if you're young and you haven't really rooted yet

00:46:52.460 the cement hasn't dried find find some people fletching blood absolutely and then two if you're

00:46:58.720 older but you're in that transition period where it's like maybe you're like super discouraged and

00:47:04.000 you just lost a job take that as like god's providence to say okay maybe um let's let's this

00:47:11.360 time let's uh we have a moment right now maybe we move to ogden maybe we move to moscow maybe we

00:47:17.520 move to georgetown you know and um because i think god's doing that and i don't think 2020 was the

00:47:22.560 only time to rearrange you know the the chairs yeah um it's like musical chairs in 2020 i don't

00:47:28.700 think that's the only moment it's not going to stop there yeah it's not going to stop there so all right

The NXR Podcast - December 02, 2024

THE INTERVIEW - Why Young Christian Men Are Completely Alone - ICYMI with AD Robles & Andrew Isker

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