The NXR Podcast - THE INTERVIEW ｜ Will Elon Musk Build A Private Army In Texas？ with Charles Haywood

00:00:00.000 All right, welcome back to another episode of Theology Applied. I am your host, Pastor Joel

00:00:04.120 Webbin with Right Response Ministries. And in this episode, I'm privileged to welcome to the

00:00:08.540 show for the first time, the shampoo warlord, also known as Charles Haywood. In this episode, 0.59

00:00:14.640 Charles and I are discussing two men in particular, that is Elon Musk and Donald Trump. In regards to

00:00:21.880 Musk, we're addressing the very real possibility of Musk now in Texas building a private security,

00:00:29.700 which would really just be a thin-veiled army in the Republic of Texas. In regards to Donald Trump,

00:00:37.840 both Charles and I think that it is virtually inevitable that Trump will be the next president

00:00:43.080 of these United States and that because he can't be stopped by all these other attempts, namely

00:00:48.920 the courts, the real last measure left for the left is to take his very life. Will there be an

00:00:58.140 assassination attempt on Donald Trump. These are the things that we are speculating and discussing

00:01:04.260 the possibilities, predictions for not the long-term future, but the short-term future

00:01:10.600 right here in America. Tune in now. Applying God's Word to every aspect of life. This is Theology

00:01:18.640 Applied. All right, welcome back to another episode of Theology Applied. I am your host,

00:01:28.140 Pastor Joel Webin with Right Response Ministries. And in this episode, I am very privileged to

00:01:33.160 welcome to the show for the first time, hopefully not the only time, the true shampoo warlord, 0.71

00:01:38.680 we have Charles Haywood. Charles, thanks for coming on.

00:01:41.900 I'm extremely pleased to be here.

00:01:44.460 Great. Well, you are known for probably a few different things, but I'm familiar with you

00:01:50.760 from your position that you've articulated with your manifesto on foundationalism. I'm also

00:01:56.520 familiar with your position. You are very bullish on Elon Musk, who I take in a true

00:02:04.940 Kuyperian spirit as a common grace gift from God. I'd much rather have Elon Musk over Twitter than

00:02:11.180 Jack Dorsey or somebody else, probably not as bullish. So I think let's talk about, I'd like

00:02:17.040 to get to Elon Musk, but real quick, just for our listeners who are unfamiliar, talk to us about

00:02:22.400 foundationalism you've got pushback in the past about you know he's calling for a violent uprising

00:02:28.020 and i read the manifesto and immediately you know i was able to i knew what you meant you weren't

00:02:32.960 saying hey all the conservatives should uh should pick up you know uh arms and go to war you you

00:02:38.780 were saying no no no we we already have violence we had do we not remember 2020 the summer of love

00:02:45.020 half the country is you know in flames um eventually it'll get worse and when it gets worse

00:02:51.180 inevitably, not from the right, but from the left, this is how the right builds from the ashes. Is

00:02:55.860 that a fair interpretation of what you were saying? Absolutely. I mean, my kind of fundamental

00:03:00.380 political premise is that the liberalism in Western civilization, Enlightenment-originated

00:03:08.980 liberalism, has reached the end of the road because it has finally destroyed our society.

00:03:14.040 And therefore, whether we like it or not, something else is going to replace that.

00:03:18.400 We have been catechized our whole lives that liberalism, in the sense of Enlightenment liberalism as opposed to political liberalism, which are subtly different things, is something that is inevitable.

00:03:30.220 The era of progress points left.

00:03:32.100 We get more emancipation.

00:03:33.740 We get more egalitarianism.

00:03:35.680 We get all the things that the original 1700s Enlightenment theorists wanted, and that's the way it's going to be.

00:03:40.980 We get more and more of that.

00:03:42.560 Not only is that obviously not true, it's obvious that those things are all poisons that have destroyed our civilization.

00:03:47.440 civilization so we're coming to an end of that time when exactly that will end and how that will

00:03:53.600 end is of course remains to be determined but that means that something else has to replace it

00:03:57.840 so i keep writing about this and people keep then start asking me well hey would you know what's

00:04:02.320 your solution and the answer is that the foundationalism and foundationalism however

00:04:06.520 is not an ideology foundationalism or the foundationalist manifesto as you mentioned

00:04:10.840 is meant to be a series of guideposts, pillars to rebuild a civilization on the basis of

00:04:18.360 reality rather than on the basis of ideology, which is what we have been given over the past

00:04:25.240 150 years or so in the West. Longer, but the true triumph of ideological thinking has really been

00:04:31.160 the past 100 years. So we want to get away from ideology towards something that's reality-based.

00:04:36.780 But of course, that's a right-wing system because reality has a right-wing bias.

00:04:40.840 So necessarily, the future is going to be right wing.

00:04:43.580 There are many possible variations on that.

00:04:45.700 It's going to be organic.

00:04:47.240 That is, you want to have a system that arises from the raw material of the society, guided

00:04:52.900 by right thinking, that is correct thinking.

00:04:55.680 But you don't want to say foundationalism is this new system, and this time it's going

00:04:59.860 to make everything perfect.

00:05:01.840 I mean, it's never going to be perfect.

00:05:02.980 I mean, as Christians, this is a basic Christian belief that in the temporal sphere, we'll

00:05:09.420 never have perfection. 0.97

00:05:10.280 And this idea of chasing it is silly. So the idea of foundationalism is ideology. People always assume that. Like I've seen some things circulating. I reject fascism, communism, foundationalism. I'm like, OK, I mean, those things are that's a category.

00:05:27.500 era. Foundationalism isn't an ideology in that sense. As I say, it's a series of thought

00:05:33.280 experiments and guideposts to help, once we're past the chaos that inevitably attends the end

00:05:40.100 of one system, to build a better, newer system without promising a utopia.

00:05:46.400 Right. So what are some of the... I did appreciate how painfully practical it was. I think that's

00:05:52.880 well put it was not um it wasn't idol uh ideology it was just very clearly uh these are some of the

00:05:59.660 things that not just that we uh shoulds um ought tos like we we ought to do these things but um

00:06:06.160 but really more of a prediction than anything saying this is what will likely take place that

00:06:11.660 they'll you know uh as we see the west continue to crumble underneath uh its own its own doing

00:06:18.240 um naturally the the you know counter revolution is going to be a rerouting in nature that's for

00:06:25.680 the record i'm always you know telling some of our listeners on the church that i pastor

00:06:29.180 if you want to get into trouble um all you have to do is uh christian theology that's rooted in

00:06:35.380 nature there's a war right now again the pietism doesn't bother anybody so if you if you only speak

00:06:41.440 in spiritual terms uh about your personal quiet time and devotions and piety and these kinds of

00:06:47.200 things nobody's bothered uh if you want to find it seems random but but it's it's not random if

00:06:52.120 you want to find the common denominator and uh and every major you know little semi-viral twitter

00:06:57.680 spat it's uh it's always something having to do with nature so men should work out and all the

00:07:03.500 christians come out and say that's vanity you know or women should dress modestly um or uh men should

00:07:10.060 own a gun or a nation should have borders or um i remember eric khan got in trouble for his adoption

00:07:17.000 tweet i i was adopted so i'm i'm a big fan of adoption but i knew immediately what he was

00:07:22.300 saying uh that there are many cases where you shouldn't adopt and certainly adoption should

00:07:27.920 never disparage uh natural you know the being fruitful multiplying and natural born children

00:07:32.940 but the point is all those from adoption to working out to modesty to uh to policies on

00:07:39.060 borders that i think the common denominator is uh things rooted in nature and and christians i

00:07:45.880 I think, for a very long time, especially Baptists, of which I am one, but Protestant Baptists, I

00:07:51.340 think, have despised natural theology, despised nature, anything rooted in that. And so I

00:07:57.520 appreciated foundationalism because for that very reason, it wasn't just mere ideology or even mere

00:08:04.540 theology. It was just saying, this is the world that God has made. These are the principles that

00:08:10.020 he's baked into the equation. They work. Anything that goes against this utterly fails, inevitably,

00:08:15.880 Um, so there will be a return to these things. Any response to that?

00:08:21.000 No, I think that's entirely right. I mean, I use the word reality rather than nature,

00:08:24.400 but those things are the same thing. And I think, I mean, much of what I, the 12 pillars

00:08:29.020 of foundationalism revolve around that, your sexual realism, the subordination of, of, uh,

00:08:34.820 economics to politics, um, you know, nationalism, not globalism. These things are all just kind

00:08:40.340 of obvious in the sense that a normal human being kind of surveying the world around him would say,

00:08:45.580 well, these are the obvious kind of general paths to take when we're setting up a society.

00:08:50.820 I do kind of part ways, and I get a fair bit of grief for the fact that I'm very big at the same time on space exploration,

00:08:58.140 and I'm generally speaking a techno-optimist.

00:09:01.360 So that doesn't fit.

00:09:02.840 Some people think that doesn't fit well with reality-based or being based in nature.

00:09:07.660 I think that's not true.

00:09:08.720 I think that, as I like to say, the works of man under the eyes of God.

00:09:13.000 so uh you know that's where the the space and techno optimism comes in nonetheless that that's

00:09:19.160 a a relative only part of it so it's all about nature let's talk i i want to talk about the

00:09:26.340 spacing and that'll transition really well with elon musk you know and spacex but before we do

00:09:30.780 could you just give us the 12 pillars and maybe just i i know i i know that's a lot but at least

00:09:37.280 just list them you don't have to go into detail explaining them but just for the listeners like

00:09:41.160 what, what are these 12 pillars of foundationalism? Absolutely. I would be happy to list the 12

00:09:45.220 pillars of foundational, but I'm going to have to call up my own manifesto, uh, here because I,

00:09:49.740 I can't, uh, I don't have them memorized per se. It's not like the, uh, the Lord's prayer. Okay.

00:09:54.900 So the first pillar, space, second pillar, a mixed government of limited ends and unlimited means,

00:10:02.700 uh, virtue politics, sexual realism, the subordination of economics to politics,

00:10:09.860 intermediary institutions, subsidiarity, hierarchy and order, Christian religion,

00:10:18.380 high culture, techno-optimism, and nationalism, not globalism.

00:10:24.820 Great. Great. So let's talk about the spacing because I think you'll find a friend in me

00:10:30.420 because now I'm not as bullish as you are on the particular person of Elon Musk,

00:10:35.740 But in terms of space exploration, you know, I've gotten mutuals and friends, dear Christians that I love who, you know, who are, they don't even, they think it's all a sham.

00:10:48.500 You know, like they don't think we've been to the moon.

00:10:50.260 I always tell people, you know, if somebody, you know, is questioning the moon landing, you need to show them that you're an even bigger conspiracist than they are.

00:11:00.040 So you need to respond by saying, you believe in the moon?

00:11:02.660 What a normie.

00:11:03.340 you know i don't even believe the moon exists no but i i do think that uh space exploration

00:11:09.660 i'm post-millennial and so i'm optimistic on the future and uh and i do think that god has

00:11:15.480 baked resources here you know into the cosmos but not here only on earth but um in other places

00:11:22.460 the ability to split certain isotopes in a uh in a different gravity you know if you had a base on

00:11:29.340 the moon or mars there's all these we think of space as a desert um but but i think there are

00:11:34.960 vast resources that um that we're just now starting to see and the ability to perform certain

00:11:40.040 experiments and i think i think space will be integral to um i hate using the phrase these

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00:12:50.320 well i think i mean i'll work backwards off some of the stuff that you said i mean the

00:12:56.140 a lot of christians are down it's a weird kind of group of people who are down on space you have a

00:13:00.840 bunch of christians and more generally conservatives who are down on space you know we have enough

00:13:04.380 problems here or there's it's impossible to to actually access space in a way that makes it

00:13:10.820 makes it usable. And then you have people who just think that space is a waste of time

00:13:17.020 from a strictly non-religious perspective. I think that starting from a religious perspective,

00:13:24.240 that I don't think there's any aliens, right? I mean, maybe there's aliens, but it seems extremely

00:13:28.940 unlikely there's aliens. And that doesn't seem weird to me at all. It seems to me an infinite

00:13:32.700 God, by definition, can create infinite universes. So the logical inference, or not logical inference

00:13:38.320 necessarily, but a reasonable inference is that this universe is for us, just us, you know, men

00:13:44.160 and women. And so we occupy this tiny space of it. So maybe God doesn't intend for us to get

00:13:49.280 outside of this particular space, but there's a lot of space to go to if he does intend us to go

00:13:53.880 elsewhere. And I don't, my own personal belief is that there's no other intelligent life out there.

00:14:00.840 I agree. I don't think sentient human-like, like maybe some, you know, an animal or some kind of

00:14:07.020 beast or something like that but but no so so basically my opinion and it's really my opinion

00:14:11.400 is that god made this universe for us and maybe he doesn't intend for us to go further but he

00:14:16.260 hasn't expressed an opinion on on the topic to us directly and it's sitting there so we should go

00:14:21.320 get it uh i do think there's many technological challenges to that but from a strictly spiritual

00:14:26.180 uh perspective i think that makes sense and the reason that i'm big on space exploration which is

00:14:32.620 tied to, but not exactly the same thing as techno-optimism. The reason I'm big on space

00:14:37.300 exploration is because I think it's important for, and again, I hate to use the word, but I use it

00:14:41.800 all the time, human flourishing. As mankind needs this kind of aspiration in order to not fall

00:14:51.500 backwards. Fundamentally, the way men and women are constituted, men in particular, is that without

00:14:57.840 some kind of external goal, they either stagnate or get up to some kind of bad activity among

00:15:03.740 themselves. So you need a binding goal that obviously has a bunch of drawbacks. And as I

00:15:09.420 say, requires a bunch of technological challenges. But if we hadn't wasted the past 70 years doing

00:15:14.860 the 70 years of stupid things we've done in the United States, we could easily imagine a 0.99

00:15:21.340 a position where we are well advanced on that path. 0.99

00:15:25.540 Admittedly, it does require, for example,

00:15:28.420 energy sources are a big problem.

00:15:31.260 Fossil fuels are running out.

00:15:32.780 My whole life I've been hearing about our fusion

00:15:34.620 is just around the corner.

00:15:35.820 So there are a bunch of hurdles.

00:15:37.160 But if we can achieve those hurdles,

00:15:39.660 then space exploration becomes something

00:15:43.340 that helps bind mankind together,

00:15:45.680 which is a beneficial thing for any society.

00:15:49.220 Yep. 0.95

00:15:49.740 Real quick on fossil fuels.

00:15:51.340 Do you, are you familiar with, you know, the position that they're, that they're actually

00:15:56.640 being regenerated, that it's not just dead animals of, you know, so I'm a young earth

00:16:01.660 guy, but, but do you, I, you know, I've, I've heard that, you know, people starting to think,

00:16:07.700 well, perhaps it's, it's a, it's a geological kind of, you know, different minerals and,

00:16:13.140 you know, under pressure and heat and, you know, they're being produced and reproduced

00:16:17.700 every day.

00:16:18.440 A biogenesis, I think it's called.

00:16:19.920 I have no opinion.

00:16:22.780 It seems unlikely to me that that would replenish at the rate that's necessary, given the rate of use.

00:16:28.780 That's somewhat different from space exploration.

00:16:31.520 You're familiar with John Michael Greer?

00:16:34.040 No. 0.86

00:16:34.900 So Greer is not Christian.

00:16:37.820 He claims to be a druid.

00:16:40.020 But he writes a bunch of interesting things.

00:16:41.800 And one of his points is that the – he's actually an excellent writer – as energy extraction becomes more and more expensive, there necessarily becomes a point at which the value you get out of extracting a unit of energy is exceeded by the energy you put into extracting that unit, which is undoubtedly the case unless there's very significant regeneration.

00:17:04.580 but oil isn't going to get us to space that is you know we need something else that is a you can't

00:17:11.460 carry an oil tanker to space in order to to actually achieve things in space i mean yes you

00:17:16.220 can send probes around and so on but ultimately you can't really do uh the things that are necessary

00:17:22.340 to do in space without some uh more compact source of energy and you know normally when someone says

00:17:31.080 things to me, I say that's a first step fallacy. That is, you can imagine that this thing is

00:17:34.980 possible, so you predict it's possible. But I'm not predicting this is possible. All I'm saying

00:17:38.840 is that we're a smart group of people, we here in America, and we here more broadly in the West

00:17:44.760 and in some other countries, nations as well. Instead of focusing on making a Zempik, we need

00:17:50.520 to be focusing on finding new energy sources. And maybe that's possible, maybe it's not.

00:17:55.700 But even if we maintain using fossil fuels because they don't run out as fast as we expected, for whatever reason, we still need new energy sources.

00:18:04.340 Right.

00:18:04.940 And do you think nuclear or fusion is the way to go?

00:18:11.160 Well, fusion, well, maybe.

00:18:13.100 But, you know, like I say, ever since I was seven, I've been hearing a fusion is commercialized fusion is 20 years away.

00:18:21.340 And every headline, if you dig into it, recent headlines are all lies, just continuing that nothing is really happening.

00:18:29.580 And it doesn't mean they shouldn't be trying, but it doesn't seem to be going well.

00:18:32.440 And nuclear fission, I'm not an expert in this.

00:18:36.880 I hear both arguments.

00:18:37.720 Like some people say it's not being used because of regulatory overkill.

00:18:42.760 There's other people who say that it doesn't work at all without subsidies.

00:18:47.440 I really have no opinion.

00:18:48.740 But it's also true that electrical generation, which is what fission is, is only part of the energy puzzle.

00:18:55.280 So even if we had much cheaper electricity, that wouldn't solve some of our other resource problems.

00:19:01.680 Gotcha. All right. Well, talk about Elon Musk. Why are you so bullish on him?

00:19:06.840 So for years, I mean, I kind of ignored Elon Musk.

00:19:11.460 I mean, he's basically my age, almost exactly my age.

00:19:14.020 and uh he you know he was this guy and he was in silicon valley and i knew vaguely who he was with

00:19:19.420 paypal and so on and you know i had you know people who who kind of knew him distantly and

00:19:25.420 so on but like if you would ask me like i always confused him with peter tia like which one's

00:19:29.360 german and which one in south african like okay you know guy guys born abroad um and then i started

00:19:35.040 paying a bit more attention a couple a couple years ago and my my original opinion of musk was

00:19:40.380 you know interesting guy very entrepreneurial and i think i i first the first thing i wrote

00:19:46.820 about him like five years ago i said he occupied a strange twilight land between con man and genius

00:19:52.420 and uh and i think that's still true to a certain extent but what's become clear is that as the

00:19:58.600 regime that rules us fails uh something ultimately arises in order to contest regime supremacy in any

00:20:08.000 failing system. And Musk is the, I think has the blend of things that make him that likely

00:20:14.760 challenger. First of all, he has enormous wealth, which is always a useful thing. His personality

00:20:20.260 is very, you know, he claims to be on the, a little bit on the spectrum, you know, Asperger's

00:20:24.440 I'm not sure that's true or not. I think diagnosis is overrated, but he's not agreeable in the sense

00:20:29.940 of the psychological trait of agreeableness. He has no interest in conforming to social norms

00:20:34.920 or in being in, I mean, I think he does like to be invited to people's parties who I don't think

00:20:41.160 he should associate with, but he's not desperate for people to pat him on the head. But most

00:20:45.980 importantly, you're Musk, you're an atheist, more or less, I think maybe 100%, maybe just agnostic

00:20:52.080 or something. You have this goal, which is undoubtedly, and everyone agrees on this,

00:20:57.660 the only thing he really, really cares about, which is getting to Mars. And he has maybe 20

00:21:03.500 years left to get to Mars. He's early 50s, and so maybe 25 years, but time and chance happeneth

00:21:10.800 to them all. And so if you're Musk, you look around and you see that the regime will never

00:21:16.400 let you get to Mars because they'll both hamstring you. You'll have to have Shaniqua running your

00:21:21.600 engineering or else you'll have to pay a giant fine. They stole $55 billion from him a couple

00:21:27.420 of weeks ago in order to either punish him for his free speech on Twitter or to indicate to him

00:21:35.040 he better play ball or what have you. And his only response to that was, well, I'm going to

00:21:40.660 reincorporate in Texas. Now, Elon Musk doesn't talk to me, but I can assure you that his internal

00:21:45.080 thought process was not reincorporation is going to show him. My suspicion is he was a lot angrier,

00:21:54.400 But the fact that he didn't say something that was angry is actually indicative of the fact that I'm right, that he's somewhere in there and what level of consciousness isn't clear to me.

00:22:05.660 He's saying that I have to completely destroy the existing regime and remake things in order to achieve my life goals.

00:22:12.860 I think this is inevitable.

00:22:14.520 Whether they'll succeed at that is not clear, but it's pretty clear that that's – there's really no – everyone's – it's like a train track, right?

00:22:22.800 Everyone's on their train track, going down their train track.

00:22:25.480 They can't get off the train track.

00:22:26.840 That's just the way it's going to be.

00:22:29.440 Right.

00:22:30.180 Yeah, I think there's three questions.

00:22:32.420 One is, can Elon Musk succeed in his goals without destroying our current regime?

00:22:41.020 I think the answer to that is no.

00:22:42.980 It has to be destroyed.

00:22:44.480 Two, is he conscious of that reality?

00:22:47.260 Does he know that?

00:22:49.040 And is he committed to trying to take down the regime?

00:22:51.640 I think the answer to that is yes. But then the third is, you know, will he succeed? And I don't

00:22:56.980 know. I mean, I like, for instance, you know, even as I think about investments, it was, you know,

00:23:04.400 a few years ago that, you know, I, and I'm not saying this, like it's super insightful, me and

00:23:09.860 everybody else on the planet realized that Tesla's probably not the best stock to invest in. And not

00:23:17.180 because elon can't be successful in what he's making i typically i would i would bet on a guy

00:23:23.460 like elon um but the whole world is against him like i feel like the stock price of tesla is one

00:23:31.020 of the ways that the regime has its claws uh in elon that at any point you know and also when you

00:23:36.980 factor in the fact the fact that uh so much of what he's doing because all this seems to me

00:23:41.980 correct me if i'm wrong but it seems like a relatively new development in the sense that

00:23:46.660 elon has just realized that maybe democrats aren't great you know like like you know like uh you know

00:23:52.860 for the statement he made a couple years ago for the first time i'm going to vote for republicans

00:23:56.640 i thought the democrats were the party of compassion you know and kindness um and i was

00:24:01.360 like wow like for for supposedly the world's smartest guy you're you're pretty slow on the

00:24:05.980 uptake uh when it comes to you know and i think this is actually an important point i mean people

00:24:12.040 So he took the SAT, people already took the SAT when it was a de facto IQ test.

00:24:19.240 Now, of course, it has nothing to do with IQ for all the obvious reasons.

00:24:22.400 But I think people have estimated his IQ at like 120.

00:24:25.860 I don't think he's not supremely intelligent.

00:24:28.720 I mean, he's not some kind of super.

00:24:30.060 And that's actually good.

00:24:31.260 Being super intelligent is a hamper.

00:24:33.120 That is for a variety of reasons.

00:24:35.920 But people with like 160, 170 IQs typically are very bad at being leaders.

00:24:41.400 and it's actually better that he's not super intelligent but you're really talking about

00:24:45.860 wisdom not intelligence not right you're right spatially manipulate uh things but it's a journey

00:24:51.420 right that's my point my point is he's on this journey but it's on a train and the train is on

00:24:56.200 the track and there are no off off posts except death and so right no i i definitely you're right

00:25:01.400 i definitely see the journey i part of uh what makes me a little bit more bearish on on musk

00:25:08.100 is the fact that I feel like he's starting at a negative.

00:25:11.720 So on the one sense, he's, I think, what,

00:25:14.440 the world's second richest man right now?

00:25:16.740 Is that correct?

00:25:18.120 Yeah, so he's the world's second richest man.

00:25:20.100 That's because they saved $35 billion from him, though.

00:25:22.820 Right, yeah.

00:25:24.520 He's incredibly successful.

00:25:26.900 However, the problem is that because my point in bringing up

00:25:30.200 this somewhat recent revelation of, hey,

00:25:33.440 maybe Democrats aren't the good guys,

00:25:35.300 and maybe their compassion and kindness is actually just a thin veil

00:25:40.020 and they actually are enemies of humanity.

00:25:43.680 But because he's put so much of his efforts,

00:25:47.040 it's not just any business or any products that he's been successful with.

00:25:51.300 He's been largely successful in an arena that relies at least somewhat,

00:25:59.300 if not arguably heavily, on subsidies, electric cars,

00:26:04.180 you know uh saving i mean he was the left's guy um and he was the the environment guy he's a guy

00:26:10.940 who was going to save us from the sun monster you know and monster and so um so if that's the place

00:26:17.700 where you've been largely successful um how do you how do you pivot um out out of like how viable

00:26:25.660 is tesla and i and i really am asking i i don't know but if you take out all the regime subsidies

00:26:31.880 How profitable of an organization is this?

00:26:34.580 Or has it all just been propped up with all the tax breaks?

00:26:38.280 You're asking the wrong question.

00:26:40.620 Tesla's is probably overvalued.

00:26:43.560 And maybe he'll get his cash out.

00:26:45.140 Maybe he doesn't.

00:26:45.480 He doesn't have to be the world's richest man to make any of this possible.

00:26:49.280 And he has been successful in a wide range of other things.

00:26:54.020 SpaceX, obviously, which basically does most of the launches on the entire planet, orbital launches.

00:26:59.900 So SpaceX, Starlink, earlier companies.

00:27:03.700 And so he has the capabilities among them, the ability to hire and direct teams of people

00:27:11.320 and hold them accountable in a way that is extremely rare nowadays, used to be much more

00:27:17.760 common, but is eroded for a variety of reasons.

00:27:20.980 So it doesn't matter.

00:27:21.960 If Tesla disappeared tomorrow, I would maintain the exact same thing.

00:27:26.060 I mean, yes, his health would greatly diminish.

00:27:28.360 But fundamentally, he's been successful in repeated business enterprises, and it's those talents or in part those talents that I think are relevant.

00:27:38.760 Yeah, it's nice that Tesla makes him the richest man in the world, but being the richest man in the world is really a secondary thing.

00:27:44.540 He has to be rich.

00:27:45.960 But you want to start to look for tells in his thinking as it changes.

00:27:51.500 And I'm fond of saying that the ultimate tell is forming a private security force.

00:27:57.560 That is, it makes perfect sense. He's down in Texas. And if he sees the regime starting to fall apart, that, well, we need to have a private security force. So he and Eric Prince or whoever get together and hire 20,000 ex-special ops guys who are all super based and they do like mall cop stuff. But everybody knows they're not meant as mall cops. But with the Texas government, you could get away with this.

00:28:21.000 So, again, he hasn't said anything like this, but it's inevitable that if you're a guy like Musk and if the premise is that he's decided the regime has to go, the question is, at what point do I take more aggressive action than I'm taking now?

00:28:34.540 And when do I stop the angry tweets and start building the private security force?

00:28:39.560 And if I was a betting man, having no information, it was probably right around the time that he made that tweet about reincorporating in Texas.

00:28:47.960 Because, again, I think that's how like if you if they stole from you a substantial portion of your livelihood that you had slaved over night and day for many years, reaching this ludicrous goal and being rewarded for it.

00:29:00.760 And they some, you know, fat H.R. ho Delaware chancery judge had just stolen from you.

00:29:06.680 You would probably not say, you know, limit your reaction to I'm going to reincorporate my company in Texas because that'll show Delaware.

00:29:16.040 I mean, that's not really what he was thinking.

00:29:17.880 That's obvious.

00:29:18.860 What he was really thinking was probably something more aggressive.

00:29:21.420 I don't know.

00:29:22.300 He doesn't come up and talk to me.

00:29:23.680 That's interesting.

00:29:25.380 So what would you, if you had to protect a timeline, what would you say for this private

00:29:29.060 security force when you think that that might happen?

00:29:32.240 Well, I'm a big future optimist, but I'm also a very much a short-term pessimist in

00:29:38.860 the sense that I expect the regime to start crumbling because it's fragile under the least

00:29:44.080 pressure.

00:29:44.480 So and I expect that pressure to arise as pressures always arise soon.

00:29:49.900 So if I was Musk and I would basically wait to see what happens through the rest of 2024 and be making a few discreet inquiries about how it might be possible for me to assemble some guys who might help me out.

00:30:01.740 Because I think that the necessary circumstances for that to happen are probably, if not exactly imminent, certainly in the near term future, not in the 2030s.

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00:31:43.920 One more question regarding Musk.

00:31:46.980 What do you think about the whole spat that happened over the ADL and advertising on Twitter?

00:31:52.580 His initial reaction, I was a big fan of.

00:31:56.220 I loved his response, you know, where he's just saying, like, well, forget them. 0.88

00:32:02.200 You know, that's the Christian edited version of what he said.

00:32:05.180 But, you know, these advertisers are going to pull out their advertising.

00:32:08.380 They're going to leave, you know, your platform and forget them, you know.

00:32:11.940 And he's often also said, you know, that, of course, I overpaid for Twitter.

00:32:16.280 But, you know, the 42 billion was not the price of Twitter.

00:32:19.220 It was the price of freedom of speech, you know.

00:32:21.820 And and so even though I, you know, I think Musk is, you know, there's plenty of, you

00:32:27.000 know, some of his bedfellows, I mean, his associations with China, you know, Neuralink.

00:32:32.760 i mean i'm not i'm not a big fan of this idea of a chip in your brain and so there's plenty of

00:32:36.800 problems that i have with musk but if we're doing a comparison much rather have him over you know

00:32:41.680 one of the the most important uh platforms for for public discourse than someone like jack dorsey so

00:32:48.280 i'm i'm very grateful in that regard and i was also pleasantly surprised to see his reaction

00:32:53.920 it was just kind of like i'm not going to be bullied i i will i reject your play i'm not

00:32:58.940 going to be bullied. But then a couple of weeks later, it seemed like he was going to be bullied.

00:33:03.960 What do you think about that? I mean, I didn't follow the specifics of that

00:33:07.880 hugely closely, but I think it seems to me to be an inaccurate perception that he was bullied. That

00:33:12.760 is, politics is the art of the possible and fighting with everybody all the time is a mistake.

00:33:17.680 So if Elon Musk wants to go hang out with Ben Shapiro and wear Yarmulke at the Wailing Wall

00:33:22.060 to indicate that he doesn't hate all Jews, that's just a form of propaganda. And he has not made up

00:33:28.860 with the advertisers.

00:33:30.340 That is, he is not made up

00:33:32.660 with the ADL.

00:33:34.340 I think he may actually

00:33:35.220 have an active lawsuit

00:33:36.100 against the ADL.

00:33:38.140 I'm not sure he has

00:33:38.740 so many lawsuits going

00:33:39.780 at any given time.

00:33:42.280 But, or it may have been

00:33:43.640 one of those things

00:33:44.000 he talked about and didn't do,

00:33:45.280 which he does actually

00:33:46.140 very frequently, which I,

00:33:48.040 this is actually, I think,

00:33:49.420 bad in a way,

00:33:50.500 but it's a classic

00:33:51.420 entrepreneurial thing.

00:33:52.540 You're always trying things

00:33:54.180 and, you know,

00:33:55.600 the number one,

00:33:57.400 this is a little bit off topic,

00:33:58.400 But you'll see how it's really a second. The number one most important characteristic for an entrepreneur probably is being decisive.

00:34:05.380 And he talks about this a lot. Like you must be continuously making decisions, even if the decisions are wrong, because that's what the other people want.

00:34:13.680 The people under you demand you make decisions. And most people hate making decisions.

00:34:18.640 So I think that there is. Twitter, I think he's doing a fine job with Twitter.

00:34:25.560 I think it's probably occasional missteps with people being censored.

00:34:29.500 I think that he really needs to go back to the thing that he was originally talking about, about not just more transparency about limitations and bans, but also no permanent bans other than for like, you know, obvious criminal activity or what have you.

00:34:44.880 Um, but I think that the fact that the people who are Musk haters, the people who are always

00:34:52.820 saying, you know, he's controlled opposition and what have you, they have very little evidence

00:34:56.160 for that. Most, most of that is they pick at these things that are more easily explainable

00:35:01.120 as either just, you know, not part of an overall plan or something that's being done to pour oil

00:35:07.520 on the waters rather than getting in fights all the time. And they say, well, that proves that

00:35:11.840 he's worthless i mean the the logical leap there is is i think uh you know not supportable okay

00:35:19.500 all right let's move from musk uh here's one more thing that i wanted to pick your brain

00:35:24.320 on um trump i think he'll be president what do you think oh yes i i keep reposting my tweet from

00:35:31.840 last year saying uh you're telling people to bookmark this tweet that trump is guaranteed

00:35:36.560 to be president unless he actually dies, no matter what, Trump will be president, and

00:35:42.800 that significant social unrest will immediately follow that.

00:35:47.840 So far, we're six or seven months in from my tweet, and I feel strong retweeting it.

00:35:55.260 I'll quietly delete it if it...

00:35:57.380 That's funny.

00:36:01.680 But right now, it's looking good.

00:36:03.080 Right now.

00:36:03.520 Yeah.

00:36:03.880 So I completely agree with you.

00:36:06.240 I think the only way I could see it not happening is if he if he dies, you know, natural causes and accidents, something like that.

00:36:13.780 Or I do think that there's I'm not saying it's a 50 percent like that high, but I think that there is a higher likelihood of Trump being assassinated than any other president that I since JFK.

00:36:28.540 Oh, absolutely.

00:36:29.640 Absolutely.

00:36:30.120 I mean, because that's the only I think that's the only way you can stop him. 0.99

00:36:32.940 He has to physically die. 0.97

00:36:33.920 Yeah. 0.97

00:36:34.520 I mean you really got to hand it to the guy

00:36:37.660 like I couldn't do any 0.98

00:36:39.360 I mean Trump is very defective in many ways 0.94

00:36:41.560 that's kind of obvious but 0.95

00:36:43.060 like I just couldn't lead that guy

00:36:45.600 I mean the amount of pressure and stress

00:36:47.860 like I mean he

00:36:49.100 thrives on it

00:36:50.760 I prefer a quiet life in many

00:36:53.640 ways and

00:36:54.500 that's good

00:36:57.620 I guess but yeah I totally agree I mean the chances

00:36:59.480 of him getting popped are pretty high unfortunately

00:37:01.500 but you know

00:37:02.600 yeah

00:37:04.520 What's some of the unrest? Any specifics on that in terms of just the liberal girls with blue hair falling to their knees and just more meme material or anything specific in terms of this unrest when Trump takes office?

00:37:19.880 One of the fundamental principles, and you see this throughout the 20th century and into the 21st century, is fundamental principles of the left is that progress can never move backwards.

00:37:32.940 The ratchet only moves one way.

00:37:34.500 And normally this works very well for them.

00:37:36.080 And people have analyzed this.

00:37:37.600 Aaron McIntyre talks about this a lot, the ratchet effect.

00:37:40.760 But a corollary to that is that the left regards any actual or perceived diminution of their power as an existential threat justifying actual war and in many cases requiring actual war.

00:37:57.940 And you see this throughout history. My favorite example is actually the Finnish civil war of 1918, of all things, where the an obscure little civil war, which killed one percent of the population of the country in three months.

00:38:10.800 But it was started because the left was getting more and more power and then they lost an election and they immediately started a civil war.

00:38:17.120 And even though most of the people on the left were like, it's pretty stupid to start a civil war because we're going to lose, which they did.

00:38:24.420 But the left is always run not by some wise counsel of people, but by its most extreme elements.

00:38:32.820 This is necessarily the case in all left movements.

00:38:35.220 So it's necessarily the case that when Trump wins, actual violence of the Civil War type, not like actual Civil War, but like actual military style violence, as opposed to like blue haired people screaming or even the kind of riots we saw after Trump's inauguration in 2016 is inevitable.

00:38:55.700 I, that can be what that is. I mean, almost certainly you would have the kind of degenerate top military brass call for military action against Trump. You would have lots of low level Antifa people doing much more kinetic kind of activity directed, not at Trump directly, but at creating enough chaos that Trump will not be able to take, will not be able to take office.

00:39:23.240 hmm yeah i think you're probably right okay let's go ahead and land the plane here this

00:39:29.940 has been really helpful who are some other voices and not just uh you know not just the old dead

00:39:36.120 guys lord knows we appreciate them um but but some some living people not just authors but guys who

00:39:44.360 are talking they're they're speaking places they have a podcast or whatever that that you think

00:39:49.540 are insightful who are some people that uh we should listen to i think i mentioned one which

00:39:54.500 is r on mcintyre yeah he has a youtube channel i agree there's a lot of stuff i listen to him

00:39:58.700 there's a young rising guy i've actually been on his his podcast he was just an andrew clavin

00:40:03.300 not jay burden who's uh an anon he does he he he's 24 but he actually sounds very foundationalist

00:40:10.300 they're talking stuff he's not he's not some kind of haywood clone but he jay burden it's uh

00:40:14.900 The name is taken from Robert Penn Warren's book, All the King's Men.

00:40:19.660 He's excellent.

00:40:20.840 There's a bunch of other people, too, and I was just listening to him this morning.

00:40:24.260 Those are two that really spring to mind.

00:40:27.160 Where can I find him?

00:40:29.540 Jay Burden.

00:40:30.340 YouTube.

00:40:30.940 So Jay, the letter J, period, B-U-R-D-E-N, Jay Burden.

00:40:35.220 I apologize to all the people who I regularly talk to and who are also excellent.

00:40:41.840 There are many excellent people out there.

00:40:44.460 Right.

00:40:44.900 Do you think that Oren will be able to stay on the Blaze long term?

00:40:49.420 Do you have any predictions about that?

00:40:50.960 I predict yes.

00:40:52.740 That's great.

00:40:53.620 Well, I think that says a lot about the Blaze.

00:40:56.040 Well, I have a beef with Glenn Beck because he libeled me last year on his radio program.

00:41:02.220 But I can't be bothered to get out of bed to sue him.

00:41:07.380 And I have a bunch of friends at the Blaze.

00:41:09.780 So, you know, the boomer cons need to shuffle off.

00:41:13.540 and Glenn Beck is a boomer guy.

00:41:15.220 So other than that, I love the Blaze.

00:41:17.840 Yep.

00:41:18.840 Yeah, given the choice between the Blaze

00:41:21.040 and Daily Wire, the Blaze.

00:41:24.520 So, all right.

00:41:25.960 Well, thank you so much.

00:41:27.340 Where can our listeners follow you and your voice?

00:41:30.260 I have my own site, The Worthy House,

00:41:32.740 theworthyhouse.com,

00:41:34.060 where I write mostly book reviews

00:41:36.300 or my own thoughts masquerading as book reviews.

00:41:38.740 And there are, I've written about 3 million words

00:41:41.740 over the past seven years.

00:41:43.940 So you can spend all your time there if you're bored.

00:41:46.580 And I also post on Twitter off and on.

00:41:49.380 I try to stay off.

00:41:52.160 It's not Orthodox Lent yet, 0.97

00:41:54.160 but when it is Orthodox Lent,

00:41:56.100 it's separated this year.

00:41:58.460 I'll try to stay off Twitter a bunch

00:42:00.060 because Twitter is, well,

00:42:01.800 it's my only source of news now,

00:42:03.640 one of my only sources of news.

00:42:05.380 It's also the corrosive to the soul

00:42:08.300 to spend too much time on Twitter.

00:42:10.520 That is true.

00:42:11.740 As a reformed Protestant during Lent, I always try to indulge in more things to protest the Pope.

00:42:24.880 To each his own.

00:42:26.500 Yeah, to each his own.

00:42:27.540 All right, well, Charles, go ahead.

00:42:29.300 Was it Martin Luther who said something about he realized that he had taken the irrevocable step when he ate sausages in Lent or something like that?

00:42:37.940 Right. Yeah, exactly.

00:42:38.660 there's a lot of protestant guys who they're like we'll eat more bacon you know we'll do you know

00:42:42.700 something like that so but thank you so much for coming on the show i really appreciate it and

00:42:46.940 the worthy house is it theworthyhouse.com is that where they go worthyhouse.com and then also um

00:42:53.020 i've listened to a few episodes uh in audible form if you go to apple or spotify just search

00:43:00.860 the worthy house and pretty much all of your writing you've you've also recorded yes as an

00:43:05.060 audio version. All right. God bless. Thanks for coming on the show.

The NXR Podcast - April 22, 2024

THE INTERVIEW ｜ Will Elon Musk Build A Private Army In Texas？ with Charles Haywood

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