Since Roe v. Wade and the successful passage of heartbeat bills, you may assume that abortion is a thing of the past. But this lie, primarily fueled by the pro-life industry, is exactly what stands in the way of actually abolishing abortion. Today we are joined live in the studio by State Rep. Brent Money (R-Texas), who just submitted legislation to end abortion in Texas once and for all.
00:05:46.360First, you'll take mifepristone. Mifepristone works by blocking the hormone progesterone,
00:05:51.640which stops your pregnancy from developing. Then you take the second medicine,
00:05:55.800mysoprostol, either right away or up to two days later. This causes cramping and bleeding
00:06:01.160that empties your uterus. The cramping and bleeding can last for several hours,
00:06:05.960so plan ahead to make the process more comfortable. You can be at home or wherever
00:06:10.360is comfortable for you to rest. Taking a hot shower, using a heating pad,
00:06:15.480or taking ibuprofen or medicine from your nurse or doctor can help with cramps.
00:06:20.200Your nurse or doctor will give you written instructions and a number you can call with
00:06:23.320any questions. 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. For most people, the process takes about 5 hours,
00:06:31.080but it may take up to 24 hours to be totally finished. The abortion pill process is very
00:06:36.120similar to an early miscarriage. It's normal to have lots of cramping and bleeding and to pass
00:06:40.920clots and tissue, like a really heavy period. You may also have an upset stomach, diarrhea,
00:06:46.920dizziness, or a mild fever. You may be tired and have a little cramping for a day or two afterwards,
00:06:52.760but you can go back to work or school the next day if you feel up to it.0.99
00:06:55.560work or school god damn planned parenthood may god damn plan i hate oh my gosh1.00
00:07:07.360yeah i know they're talking to teenage girls that is disgusting0.99
00:07:12.520sorry for ruining everyone's day all right so yeah thanks west no but you're right it's
00:07:20.860we got it we need to be aware we need to see it i'm glad you showed it
00:07:23.980Yeah. So abortion is still alive and well, there are still clinics in, in Texas, a lot of them act as travel agencies to get mothers to other states where they can legally murder their children.
00:07:41.000um and uh and you know obviously there's a lot of stories uh if any of you have been through a
00:07:47.820miscarriage or um had a loved one that went through a miscarriage it is a traumatic thing
00:07:53.840um and so they that video kind of makes it sound like yeah it's just kind of routine it's like a
00:07:59.720heavy period um it's a it's a traumatic emotional thing it's a traumatic physical thing it can be
00:08:05.880dangerous at times um and uh and to be flipping about it like that really um puts puts women at
00:08:13.620risk yeah so the estimates from texas this is the thing with the law like imagine you're trying to
00:08:19.860shut down shut down gentlemen's clubs and you said there should be no entrance to a gentleman's club
00:08:24.660through a door facing the highway and they should install the side doors well that law even as good
00:08:29.360as it would be to shut down things like that if you don't actually have a mechanism in place to
00:08:33.760shut down all the means of doing it the way sin works is someone just says oh well i'm not allowed
00:08:38.080to enter through the front but there's a side entrance right here there's a survey and it was
00:08:42.540something like 97 of texas women when they were asked like would you seek another means if abortion
00:08:47.580was illegal they said yes it is not until you close every avenue through the use of the law
00:08:53.200through the state protecting the unborn that you actually achieve the culture of life that we talk
00:08:58.480about do you actually achieve truly zero abortions happening on texas soil so the estimates are this
00:09:04.880is from a journal of american medical association it's about 20 000 women annually that will use
00:09:09.900this pill right here in texas to murder their child we're not talking about a dozen we're not
00:09:14.600talking about maybe a couple hundred 20 000 plus if not more as our population grows and then
00:09:20.860another that's the smaller of the two numbers another 35 40 50 000 annually travel out of state
00:09:26.900so they're going to new mexico they're going to arizona they're going to colorado and there's
00:09:31.020groups there will even fund them they'll fund them to take the flight they'll fund them to take off
00:09:34.800work and everything like that so the point is abortion is far from finished we've made progress
00:09:40.940by god's grace but you have to finish it all the way you have to go all the way fully shut down
00:09:45.980evil not just say like you can do it but only on tuesdays it has to be completely done and the way
00:09:51.220to do that is through the law yeah over the over my my lifetime we've seen the overton window for
00:09:57.660abortion on the left move from we want it to be safe legal and rare to anywhere anytime for any0.99
00:10:05.180reason um and and so the you know the the pro-choice position is her body her choice she
00:10:13.060can do whatever she wants uh the pro-life position has generally been um it's it's her body1.00
00:10:20.340but we don't want her to make this choice.0.97
00:10:23.280So we're going to try to eliminate all of the avenues for her to make that choice.
00:10:29.300And if anybody else kills the baby, we're going to call it murder.
00:10:33.120And that's just not an intellectually or legally consistent, honest position.
00:10:41.580And so I've come to this kind of realization over time, later than I'm sure you guys have.
00:10:51.180But just over the past few years, just really struggled.
00:10:54.560And really, with the passing of Dobbs in 22, is that right?
00:11:03.000Really started looking at, okay, well, you know, is the Republican pro-life orthodoxy correct?
00:11:10.760and uh and really it's it's just not um if texas has long said that if you murder a pregnant woman
00:11:19.880we're going to call it a double homicide because we recognize the personhood of the child um we
00:11:25.300have recently said uh if you're a doctor and you participate in an abortion uh that's you know
00:11:31.480that's not allowed anymore um but yet we still say a self-managed abortion is not a it's it's
00:11:39.720not categorized as anything within our law. It's just a complete and total carve out, which,
00:11:46.800which sends mixed, inconsistent, dishonest messages to the people of Texas. And as a
00:11:55.960lawmaker, it's our job to set the law. The law teaches people what is right and what is wrong.
00:12:04.480it acts as a deterrent to people who still want to do the wrong thing but are afraid of the punishment
00:12:10.860and then ultimately it provides justice for those that blow through the first two stop signs
00:12:16.660and so you know when when I tell my kids my three-year-old who's in the street don't run
00:12:23.300in the street if you do it again I'm going to spank you it's not because I want to spank the
00:12:27.720child I never I never want to spank the child but what I don't want is for the child to get hit by
00:12:33.480by a car driving by and so i i teach him this is wrong this is out of bounds i warn him if if you
00:12:41.000do this there are consequences and then ultimately i provide consequences uh to to serve as a deterrent
00:12:46.220in the future and and a notice to the other children that i really do mean business right
00:12:50.780so no that's well said i i like how you you laid out like three different um you know uses of the
00:12:57.440law that uh that one it's um it's the the pedological function of the law that it's a
00:13:03.120tutor that it actually shapes the populace as a whole even those who would never even plan on
00:13:08.420getting an abortion right or you know like here's an example people who don't personally plan on
00:13:13.140getting an abortion half the population men right um turns out even in the year of our lord 2025
00:13:18.740men despite you know some people's opinions do not get pregnant um and you know but it's still
00:13:24.380even for men it shapes uh the law is a tutor and it shapes and sharpens the conscience even for the
00:13:30.960unbeliever it's not just for christians but even the unbeliever um and so the majority of people
00:13:36.380when i think of like the the majority populace they're going to be tutored by the law of god
00:13:41.400and then secondly uh like what you said was um that it's also a restraint so even those who
00:13:48.220their conscience won't be sharpened because their conscience for whatever reason is already too far
00:13:53.520seared rather than sharpened uh well then the law of god functions as a shield it's a restraint
00:13:59.300there are plenty of people who um who hate god and hate their fellow man um but still don't make
00:14:07.860certain choices because the one thing that they don't hate is themselves and they don't want to
00:14:12.680go to jail you know and like it actually restrains people it works as an inhibition this this impending
00:14:18.660threat of punishment of retribution for uh for crime and then and then lastly um uh what i'm
00:14:28.040sorry i just blinked but what was the last there was a justice and then so for those who do cross
00:14:32.220the line uh justice and then that one kind of filters all the way back in because when when
00:14:36.200justice is displayed you know i think of uh i believe it's deuteronomy that says when justice
00:14:40.820is uh delayed um that that wickedness ramps up within a society but when there's justice it's
00:14:46.780proportional um it's swift it's uh and you know it's it's blind it's impartial right so it doesn't
00:14:53.120play favoritism but impartial swift proportional meaning eye for eye tooth for tooth um it's not
00:14:59.000slap on the wrist for for a life uh and and it's also not too heavy it's not i'm taking your life
00:15:04.340because you uh you know uh shared a facebook post that was uh outside you know it was wrong think0.80
00:15:10.540um you know like great britain um you know we're arresting we're arresting you you know the the1.00
00:15:16.900the horde of muslims that are coming in and raping your wives and daughters that one will1.00
00:15:22.720will let slide but you just posted something about it on facebook and so you're going to1.00
00:15:26.660right so you can be unproportional disproportional in both directions you can over punish you can
00:15:31.800under punish um but but that too filters back in that last function um that shapes the populace
00:15:38.500but when the people see it's not just the punishment of the one but it's the lesson for
00:15:43.380the many that the people see whoa this really is serious and so all those things are are so vital
00:15:48.840but but back to that first one the last thing i'll say is in terms of the law being having that
00:15:53.840teaching function that's why consistency matters so much not just for the purpose of justice which
00:15:59.520is in its own right vital that we're not that we don't have unequal weights and measures so we want
00:16:06.360to be just. But beyond just the matter of justice, if that wasn't enough in itself, which it is,
00:16:11.900in terms of tutoring the population and for you being responsible for citizens, residents in
00:16:20.200Texas, when you would punish, not you personally, but when the civil magistrate would punish in
00:16:27.780texas um the abortion doctor but not the woman who's getting an abortion herself um that that
00:16:36.740says something that teaches something really what it teaches is it teaches that um that it's
00:16:41.920inappropriate or it's um it's it's wicked or it's a crime um for medical professionals to uh to
00:16:50.340practice to have this as a part of their practice um but but the killing of the child in and of
00:16:56.840itself is not really the killing of a child it also reinforces another thing that it teaches in
00:17:02.020the wrong direction is it reinforces i've said several times but it reinforces um the common
00:17:08.080notion that that most people won't necessarily say out loud but it is the reigning dogma i think
00:17:13.680of our culture today which is that uh women don't sin women can't really do anything wrong so it's
00:17:20.540wrong when that abortion doctor you know when he does it as a profession he's getting paid for it
00:17:25.840And he's racking up, you know, abortions by the hundreds.
00:17:29.000But, you know, but that woman, when she makes that choice and she gets a pill that's mailed to her, you know, and she doesn't have anybody helping it.
00:28:07.980If you live in Texas, so you're a listener, you live here in Texas, maybe you live in
00:28:12.260Brent's district, but if you would go to, and maybe it'll be here down on your screen,
00:28:16.620but you can just search, find my representative.
00:28:18.880there's 150 representatives in the house and call them and ask for their support for them to sign on
00:28:24.360as a co-author for them to support this bill if they're in the committee that it gets assigned to
00:28:29.580you need to be understanding the local dynamics of your state contacting representative because
00:28:34.940that's how i mean i think of uh alcohol abolition the prohibition the prohibition like we had in
00:28:43.960the united states a movement that went so quick and so powerfully that it got enacted into the
00:28:48.480constitution the prohibition of alcoholic beverages and then there was so much backlash a couple years
00:28:52.600later that it got taken off right but the point is your elected representatives like they feel
00:28:56.780the heat when their constituents say please sir support this bill please ma'am support this bill
00:29:02.320again and again and again the phone the email so if you live in texas house bill 2167
00:29:08.4802197 equal protection of the unborn call your representative just search and find your
00:29:14.680representative, that'd be a huge help in, by God's grace, getting this passed. Yeah. I'm curious
00:29:19.980if the bill that's been introduced, is it in addition to, or how does it differ from
00:29:28.480the civil penalties enacted with some of the heartbeat laws? Like, is it in addition to
00:29:36.480kind of weaker pro-life legislation, or is it just a removing from the legal code of murder
00:29:44.180uh the definition of what a murder is or like how would this if this were to pass how would this
00:29:49.840actually kind of look in in practice sure texas has it's kind of interestingly has kind of a
00:29:56.400layered approach and when we when we have cranked it down more we haven't removed the previous
00:30:01.560layers um so we have a heartbeat bill actually this and then after that we had the trigger bill
00:30:07.380that said at any point of development but we didn't get rid of the heartbeat bill the trigger
00:30:12.120bill was a civil penalty okay um but the civil penalty applies to anyone except the mother
00:30:19.200we also have homicide uh that that applies to anyone except the mother so we're removing both
00:30:25.120of the except the mother um exceptions to that uh to uh to clarify so the civil penalty will still
00:30:32.460be there but they're now in and post jobs um there shouldn't be any legal uh constitutional
00:30:40.140concerns with uh just making a criminal punishment for abortion okay wow what would you say to you
00:30:48.660know people who uh would would levy the counter of like um do you see what they're trying to do
00:30:56.060they're trying to pass this bill and then they're going to go and round up every you know every
00:30:59.680person who's ever had an abortion for the last 50 years right like what would you say well first of
00:31:05.580all um that's explicitly unconstitutional um you cannot create a law to punish past conduct
00:31:12.220but just in case we went ahead and put that in house bill 2197 that says this only applies
00:31:18.540uh to conduct that occurs after the effective date of this doesn't apply to anything previously
00:31:25.500you can't real quick you can't establish a law to punish this past conduct but if you're the
00:31:31.420president of the united states can you offer a pardon that would excuse any and all past
00:31:37.920yeah uh man i would say that's an open question i i certainly have thoughts on that um like if
00:31:44.800you have just a young boy for example a young boy you know in his 50s who's done a little bit of
00:31:50.520cocaine in the white house you know yeah right sorry yeah no um so yeah that little tyke i think
00:31:57.220there are people in the Republican pro-life world that are concerned about that. The number of women0.79
00:32:05.520who have had abortions over the last 50 years is staggering. The number of people in our churches
00:32:12.360who have had abortions is staggering. It's tragic. It's wicked. And so my heart breaks for that.
00:32:23.380But what I would say to that is, if you're counseling with a post-abortive woman, the only relief that she's ever going to find from the torment that she is going through is to take it to the foot of the cross, confess your sins, he is faithful and just to forgive you of your sins and cleanse you from all unrighteousness.
00:32:47.520And so, uh, we were telling her, well, it's not your fault. Um, you were pressured. You didn't
00:32:54.700have a choice. Those, that is a weak salve on a deep, deep wound. And, uh, and if we truly love
00:33:03.140these women, we need to say what has happened to you and what you have done in the past,
00:33:08.540the choices that you have made, um, you have to take them to the cross. That's the only place0.99
00:33:13.200that you're going to find, um, redemption, uh, for that. Well said. Yeah. The law of God,
00:33:20.480you know, everything that we've established thus far, that it's, you know, the pedological
00:33:23.840function that it's a tutor that shapes and sharpens the conscience of the people that
00:33:28.360it also works as a shield and a restraint. It holds back. Uh, it's the law doesn't change the
00:33:33.180heart. Um, but the law does restrain outward manifestations of evil that would stem from an
00:33:38.760evil heart. So the evil heart remains unless the gospel actually converts the individual
00:33:43.000but uh the evil heart would remain but that person society is protected because that evil
00:33:48.420heart is restrained and not acting in terms of outward manifestations actions of evil
00:33:52.860and that person even if they're never saved um jesus says that you know that not all sins are
00:33:58.480equal he even says that you know to one will be given a light beating to another will be given
00:34:02.480a more severe beating so you're even sparing the reprobate who we don't know we don't have
00:34:07.680election goggles we don't know who god's going to save that's not our business but even if that
00:34:10.900person turns out not to um to ever come to faith in jesus christ um it's even a mercy and a kindness
00:34:17.560to them because you restrain them from doing outwardly as much evil as they uh could have
00:34:22.520and would have done uh so that their punishment even in the eternity is lesser than it would
00:34:28.380have been and so there's even a grace uh in that sense and then of course you know uh enacting
00:34:33.220justice um and so all those things that we've already said but another the gospel you know
00:34:38.420function of the law and the way that the law is not the gospel is distinct from the gospel
00:34:42.940but the way that the law works in tandem with the gospel is that you know the way that i've
00:34:48.460always preached as a pastor is that if we minimize the law of god you know one of the things that it
00:34:53.900does in the first use within the reformed tradition the first use of the law of god is
00:34:57.480it functions as as a mirror it the law is holy because god is holy so god god doesn't have a
00:35:04.160standard outside of himself and god is god because he lives up to it now the law is merely a reflection
00:35:10.960and an extension of god's own thrice holy triune nature so the law is perfectly holy because god
00:35:18.240is perfectly holy it simply reflects to us his own divine essence and nature who he is
00:35:24.020and so when the law is rightly preached and and legislated by the civil magistrate within a
00:35:31.720society, basically what you're doing for the people under your care is you're presenting
00:35:37.240accurately God. You're saying this is who God is. And by saying accurately, in line with the
00:35:43.840scripture, who God really is by actually legislating God's real law, you're showing
00:35:50.300them who God is. And then what happens is by virtue or by way of consequence of revealing
00:35:55.920to the people this is who god is and he's holy holy holy um by way of consequence that the
00:36:02.600reflection that they see of themselves as they stare into the holiness of god it functions as
00:36:07.340a mirror and and causes them to see back to themselves and see by by comparison their lack
00:36:13.300of holiness their sinfulness and and so when the law is is rightly preached in the church but also
00:36:19.920rightly legislated by the civil magistrate it reveals god rightly and when we reveal god rightly
00:36:25.980it reveals by way of consequence man rightly so we have now a more biblical accurate anthropology
00:36:32.680not just theology but anthropology we actually can can view ourselves rightly by by comparison
00:36:39.360to god's holiness seeing our sinfulness and the final thing is that that then shows us much more
00:36:45.220accurately how infinite, how infinitely wide the chasm really is between sinful men and a thrice
00:36:52.940holy God, which means all the way back to now the gospel, which means that then when the gospel is
00:36:58.660preached, that it's being properly placed in the context of the, like, you know, the illustration
00:37:05.540has been used before, that the gospel is like a diamond, a multifaceted diamond, and it shines
00:37:10.820most brightly like you go into you know buy a ring for you know you're getting engaged
00:37:14.860and they're they're gonna have that they're gonna have diamonds usually uh set on the backdrop of a
00:37:22.400black velvet you know something that's going to show um a a stark contrast so that the brilliance
00:37:30.640so it doesn't detract at all from the brilliance of the diamond and and the gospel like that diamond
00:37:38.640shines most brilliantly when it's set on the proper context the the the backdrop of the black
00:37:47.020velvet sin of humanity and so when the law is rightly preached and and right in the church and
00:37:54.360rightly legislated by the state then you're rightly seeing the character and nature of god
00:37:59.540in his holiness by way of consequence you see your sinfulness and by seeing your sinfulness
00:38:05.120now when good news is preached the mercy and kindness and grace and forgiveness of god
00:38:11.140on on in the within the context of me actually needing that as a sinner um then the gospel
00:38:17.980becomes good news and today there's so many people when when you say i mean it's it's it's
00:38:24.260scandalous but like when you when you tell the average person today uh god loves you um they
00:38:31.300don't always verbatim say this but often you can you can even see it in their eyes that that the um
00:38:36.920the unspoken response for many people is uh it's not shock and awe and surprise and being
00:38:43.700overwhelmed that god would have mercy on them that he would love them even though he's holy
00:38:47.760and they're sinful no the average response from people today when you say god loves you
00:38:52.580the average response is will he be he'd be crazy not to right yeah of course he loves me who wouldn't
00:39:00.460yeah you know like like god would actually be out of line to do anything but love me um because
00:39:07.460there's just this assumption that the love of god is somehow um the default setting because it's
00:39:14.080merited by the person that i actually deserve the love of god and and so the love of god doesn't uh
00:39:20.200doesn't wow and surprise people um unless it's seen not merely as love it's nothing less but to
00:39:27.280be a little bit more particular. It is love, but it's a particular kind of love. It's grace,
00:39:34.660unmerited love, undeserved love. The gospel is not just love. The Bible says that angels even
00:39:43.720long to look into these things, that they're bewildered and perplexed and curious about
00:39:50.080these things, and in that context, these things being the gospel, how a holy God could have mercy
00:39:55.020towards sinners and the reason why angels long to look in what that implicates is that angels are
00:40:01.700outside of the gospel merely as spectators not recipients they're looking in as spectators
00:40:07.660and they're wowed and amazed that that this thrice holy god could have mercy on on his image bearing
00:40:15.260creatures who chose in defiance deliberately to raise their fists in rebellion against him so my
00:40:21.540point is um does god love the angels perfectly god has uh god has perfectly loved every single
00:40:29.200angel since the beginning of their creation for for thousands of years um and yet he's never had
00:40:38.900grace towards angels right a third give or take of the angels rebelled against him no uh no chance
00:40:46.800of redemption the other two-thirds have all only ever been faithful so no need for redemption so
00:40:53.080one you know the fallen angels um no redemption offered the other angels um no redemption
00:41:00.120necessary um and yet god loves them so angels know love but when we speak of the gospel we're
00:41:06.580not merely speaking of god's how god relates to angels because god loves angels god loves himself
00:41:13.180perfectly the father loves the son the son loves the father um but but what we're talking about
00:41:19.920when we speak of the gospel is not merely love nevertheless but it is more than merely love it is
00:41:26.400a particular kind of love unmerited love undeserved love it is grace and and that's what overwhelms
00:41:34.320the hearts of men if the spirit would be so kind in his sovereignty to give us spiritual eyes to
00:41:39.940see in spiritual ears to hear that good news but it's not shocking wowing overwhelming good news
00:41:47.780if it's just love and not grace and it'll never be heard and received as grace if there's no
00:41:54.940understanding of the need for grace and that doesn't come unless i see myself as a sinner
00:42:00.820and i don't see myself as sinner as a sinner unless i see god as so much vastly more holy
00:42:07.500than i am by seeing his holy law accurately preached and the very last thing i'll say is
00:42:12.560charles spurgeon said it like this a man will never appreciate the beauty of christ unless he
00:42:17.100first come to see the need for christ and so that's what the law does and people all the time
00:42:22.440evangelicals because they've been brainwashed and and so poorly taught by the church on this and by
00:42:28.380the civil magistrate failing in his duty so both the state and the church has so failed um the
00:42:34.220average um professing christian today that um that they that you you'll regularly hear the refrain
00:42:42.540anytime the law is even spoken up you you hear like the the um almost like um automatic response
00:42:49.460and i'm not talking from pagans but from people in the church the automatic response is well that's
00:42:54.320law um i just just tell me about the gospel i'd like um you know uh you know we're not under law
00:43:01.880we're under grace and say if there is no law there is no need for grace um we preach law
00:43:08.760because um because it makes grace all the sweeter that's not the only reason but that is one of the
00:43:15.260reformed historic purposes and uses of the law of god is that it is not the gospel law and gospel
00:43:23.160are distinct law gospel distinction but the law makes the gospel sweet and um and so you are
00:43:30.300robbing that woman uh it's not that you're beating her up by having just laws regarding abortion
00:43:36.340you're actually damning her and condemning her and robbing um virtually every opportunity for
00:43:44.100her to receive the the salvation that's found in jesus christ alone because you're telling her
00:43:50.200she doesn't need it yeah absolutely yeah that'll preach that'll pretty well i think you just did
00:43:57.080yeah yeah there you go um okay let's uh well wes any are there you're a chart guy he's got
00:44:05.560i got stories i got a little bit more several people have asked about ivf okay so do you want
00:44:11.060me to kind of hit on that um so this bill is is not a quote an ivf bill um but it does deal with
00:44:19.500um destruction of human life and and say we don't allow for the destruction of human life and so
00:44:25.640Where IVF, to me, is about the creation, the storage, and the implantation of an embryo, and that is all still legal under my bill.
00:44:42.680What's not legal is the destruction of, you know, human life.
00:44:49.280And so that, you know, several people I've noticed asked about that.
00:44:54.420so in regards to fertilized eggs they would have to be used so yeah right now right now in texas
00:45:01.940i don't know about used i would say that if they're if they're destroyed um right now in texas
00:45:08.740there is um like i said we have just we have defined personhood as being from conception
00:45:15.460which is the fertilization so anything right so fertilization and that has always been the case
00:45:21.620i'm not changing the law that i want to say always been the case but that has been the case
00:45:25.620for a long time in texas that we have defined life that way um and so once you define life
00:45:31.780that way well murder is the taking of life and so all i all all my bill does is say once life
00:45:38.660is created there's no exceptions that allow you to destroy that life um and so um where where
00:45:46.180medicine can um can uh go through an ivf process or some other process that is not the needless
00:45:54.580destruction of human life um this bill does not address that um but well then to me and this may
00:46:01.980upset some um people dear brothers and sisters in christ that i would appreciate um but to me i would
00:46:11.740say uh that's a great bill and uh and then you also probably need another one yeah um because
00:46:18.380and the only reason i would say that is um because although it doesn't allow for the destruction of
00:46:23.340the fertilized egg which we believe is a human being made in the image of god from the point of
00:46:27.420conception um what could happen if i'm hearing you correctly is that um that zygote uh is simply
00:46:35.920never used and we know um scientifically that eventually it's subject to decay and um even if
00:46:43.360nobody intentionally destroys it it would it's kind of like uh almost like like you know the the
00:46:48.840idea of um well you you can't kill you know botched abortion if it does if it's not successful aka you
00:46:55.580didn't murder the child you know with your first attempt um well you can't murder you don't get a
00:47:00.780second try but what you can do is you can put it on that stainless steel table and walk away
00:47:06.300knowing that the inevitable result is that the child will die without um attention so you're not
00:47:13.440you're not harming the child but you're also not helping the child and you know by not helping the
00:47:18.900child that the child will in fact die and and so for me with ivf and this is something that i you
00:47:25.140know i came to uh later as well i i wasn't like 15 years old you know and preaching against ipf like
00:47:31.600i didn't you know i didn't even know what it was but over time seeing that you know at least two
00:47:36.100problems one if uh if the zygote if these fertilized eggs aren't used um that the only
00:47:41.280other option is that they will eventually decay and be destroyed and then trying to get some kind
00:47:46.520of theological language around that and the only thing that um i could really liken it to
00:47:52.040is um in some senses incarceration without fair trial that um by by virtue of being stored like
00:48:01.020you mentioned storage that you know put away um it's like this is this is a living person
00:48:07.360um being you know put away uh for no crime that they've committed and no promise uh that they'll
00:48:16.160ever be let out in fact it's being put away with a very real possibility that uh we're going to put
00:48:21.840you in jail without a trial without a crime having been committed and a very good chance that you
00:48:29.280will die in jail and so what you're talking about there is is IVF as it currently is okay um and so
00:48:36.900uh if uh and I hear where you're coming from I'm I'm sympathetic to that what I'm what I'm saying
00:48:42.860is um I don't want to with this bill directly take on the the IVF issue and that's why I started the
00:48:51.180way that I did. I like the bill. Go for it. You would have my full support. And that's why I
00:48:55.500phrased it. I framed it saying, and it sounds like we probably need another one.
00:48:59.800And, you know, we always need to find ways to better conform the law to God's intent for
00:49:08.700mankind as he slowly puts all things under his feet, hopefully starting here in Texas and moving
00:49:14.860outward um and so uh that that's great um you know it's a to me the fact that we have um you
00:49:24.560know thousands tens of thousands of uh abortions by pill uh and other means uh in texas right now
00:49:33.880um willful destruction of human life um is is um is something that that we have to address as a state
00:49:44.860um and and need to address it in a hurry right and there's a difference too between a board of
00:49:51.080procedure that always ever every single time is successful ends life versus it is entirely like
00:49:57.380the reason we do batches of 20 25 30 eggs is because it's expensive and we want to get as
00:50:02.400many as possible to successfully implant but theoretically it is possible to only bring one
00:50:06.660to two together so it would be a single or twins and that could actually bring life which would be
00:50:11.040good it would be a human life it would be made in the image of god it'd be a blessing to couples
00:50:15.060that were unable to conceive so we're talking about two different categories that have to then
00:50:18.280be legislated differently the murder every single time versus a process we have to do in such a way
00:50:24.040we don't freeze our neighbors yeah right i know i know people who have gone with ivf and have said
00:50:30.280i only want this many eggs and i want them all implanted people like that um and i know people
00:50:36.040as well who have adopted snowflake babies through through ivf um so there there is a way to um
00:50:45.240uh and i know there's people in their audience maybe here that wish that that procedure didn't
00:50:50.640exist um but there are ways through through that procedure that do not necessarily end a human life
00:50:56.460um and uh and those would all be protected uh still yeah cool well let's uh let's go to our
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00:54:27.300I can remember being like eight years old in a Baptist church
00:54:29.980just on Wednesday night prayer meeting,
00:54:31.880praying for God to end the slaughter of children.
00:54:34.340And one of the things that when you think about bills like this
00:54:38.340is it can be easy to think of the scenario,
00:54:40.340the police and the law and the courts you say how could that be loving how that doesn't seem
00:54:47.260caring i i get the unborn piece but what about the mother and so i'm going to read i i've seen
00:54:52.260hundreds of these over the years i'm not about to read to you the only three stories that could
00:54:57.220possibly be found on the internet there are thousands and thousands of women that will live
00:55:02.320the rest of their life with extreme regret over what they did and it's going to haunt them every0.99
00:55:08.460single day, even if saved, even if the gospel comes in and applies forgiveness, you're a heroin
00:55:13.460addict up until 80 years old and you were saved by God's grace, you will still bear the marks of
00:55:18.020that in your body. And so I'm going to read these stories and I just want you to be thinking about
00:55:21.720how that law, if it was just made a standard that nobody could murder their child, how all of this
00:55:27.520pain, all of this regret, not even talking about the child in this case, but the mother, how it
00:55:32.240could have been avoided and so i'm going to share this first one here um this is this is from three
00:55:38.800months ago this is on reddit drowning in regret for my choice and i don't know how to move on and
00:55:43.880find community this is going to be on your screen i'm not going to spend 15 minutes reading through
00:55:48.020all these but i'm going to read the highlights i got my abortion two weeks ago and i am feeling
00:55:52.380the deepest sadness i have ever felt even walking into the clinic i couldn't do it i sat in the
00:55:57.820waiting room and cried for an hour before I could work up the courage to pick up the pen
00:56:01.860and begin filling out the paperwork. My mind has been unable to rest since. This is another one.
00:56:10.200This is from a woman who said, I didn't have a dad growing up and felt like I didn't want that
00:56:13.900for my child, but there are some nights I feel such regret and anguish over terminating my
00:56:17.560pregnancy. I wish I could have met my baby. It's to the point when I hear about abortion or see my
00:56:21.840nieces and nephews, I feel horrible. I feel empty. I wonder if I'd have my baby if I try harder in
00:56:27.120life to make things better for them. I miss something I never got to know and don't know
00:56:30.720what to do. What do I do? And then, I regret my abortion. Input, please. It happened when I was
00:56:37.68020. I wish I would have thought about it more, to be honest. I wish I could have talked more
00:56:41.760people with different perspectives now. I wish I would have been made to think about how it would
00:56:46.960affect me so long down the line. I have several friends now that are successful in academics and
00:56:51.460work that had children at 20, and their lives aren't destroyed. Far from it. We're in the same
00:56:56.040place in life but they have loving children well i have well not and these are just three of
00:57:02.720thousands and thousands of women so this is reddit like was it hard to find these are there
00:57:07.180are there forums for like where people are talking about this on reddit yeah so it's a it's a this is
00:57:12.680just the abortion subreddit i just searched the word regret and found all of them and these are
00:57:16.280the ones that people were willing to put online women are as online as men and um these bills
00:57:22.780are loving to these women it's loving to the child it's loving to the women it's a more most
00:57:28.120importantly it's the right things and the right thing in god's eyes to do these are the categories
00:57:32.800as you defend as you push if you're a lawmaker as you file you need to be thinking god's law
00:57:37.720when it says thou shalt not murder is not unkind it doesn't set women up for failure and career
00:57:42.500spiraling it sets all of us up for success and for flourishing well said all right let's try to
00:57:49.580get to some of the questions uh nathan if you can go ahead and put those over on the side here we go
00:57:54.880uh we're going to start with uh jeff halfley good old jeff god bless him the most faithful
00:58:00.420super chat commenter slash questioner of all time single-handedly funding right response
00:58:06.560all right here we go jeff halfley we appreciate you he says how can we help elect more state reps
00:58:13.160to support this bill today a rhino slash dim coalition controls the texas house we want to
00:58:21.100help um uh great the great he puts in quotations we want to help great replace them amen what do
00:58:28.720you think now this is my jam right here um i will tell you um when uh and and some of you have noted
00:58:35.500this and i said i'm i'm new to the abolition type movement although i've been you know grew up in
00:58:41.220church been pro-life my whole life um and early on when i started running uh some some abolitionists
00:58:48.360came came to me and just started gently and and knowledgeably talking me through it and this is
00:58:55.360about two years ago or so um they came and knocked doors with me and we went to lunch and breakfast
00:59:01.220and they talked with me and talked with me and we worked through all of these things and um you know
00:59:06.080I started where I think a lot of my colleagues in the Texas House are, which is, yeah, that's great, and I see it, and that's right, but it's not politically viable.
00:59:16.120And just worked through God giving me the boldness to handle it.
00:59:23.120And so I would say to you, find people that already are your state reps right now.
00:59:31.340We're a year or so from the next election cycle, and just start talking with them.1.00
00:59:35.280If there are candidates who have already announced that they're running against some of these rhinos, start talking with them.1.00
00:59:42.920There's a great organization called Abolish Abortion Texas that does a lot of direct contact.1.00
00:59:51.200They're having a rally at the Texas Capitol for this bill on February 19th.
00:59:57.280So we'll have a rally there on the South Steps.
00:59:59.680And then they will go and talk with legislators already in the building about supporting this bill.
01:00:05.280You can donate. I tell people all the time, you have no idea how hard it is to start a campaign. But if you have a church with, let's say, 100 families, and they each put $25 aside each month, then you can raise $30,000 in one year.
01:00:25.280and that's a great start to a campaign um just 25 a month per family um and so there's you know
01:00:34.520money prayer just but most of his boots on the ground politics is a and government is run by
01:00:40.400the people who show up so show up and knock doors for people who who agree with you um and uh and
01:00:47.120and talk with the people that you don't and have grace that god may be working on them at a different
01:00:53.140pace than he worked on you. And I really appreciate people in my life that did that.
01:00:59.360And they didn't expect me to be there right now or else cut me off, but just continue that
01:01:05.520conversation, opening the word of God, talking through, and then giving me some space to pray
01:01:10.540about it and come back. And so that would be my admonition plea to you is to engage in these
01:01:21.980conversations but come at it with with humility and boldness at the same time well said um this
01:01:29.220is a great point from mb east uh another super chat we appreciate that thank you mb east says
01:01:36.340let's look into maha make america healthy again to address infertility of americans wouldn't you
01:01:43.920think that this would decrease the need for IVF IVF should be abolished by the way and so I think
01:01:53.380that that's personally I think that's a great point I think that so it's not just that oh well
01:01:58.960you know our technology our technology has become more advanced and yes but also I think we need to
01:02:05.660be honest and say that the perceived need has exponentially increased from times past. So it's
01:02:16.320not just like, well, we're capable technologically of performing a procedure that previously we
01:02:21.280didn't. And so that's why it's an ethical issue that we have to parse out today. And it's not
01:02:25.260something that we have to figure out in the 1950s. Yeah, I'm with you. I think that practically
01:02:29.700um that that argument has merit and that's true that seems to be undeniable but there's also some
01:02:35.960other things that have developed since the 1950s and it's not just medical technology the other
01:02:40.200thing that's developed is rampant demonic feminism i'll just throw that one out there um part of the1.00
01:02:46.380reason that a bunch of people want to do ivf is because women aren't ready to have kids until1.00
01:02:51.420they're 35 years old 40 years old um because you know they they were wearing the pantsuit as boss0.98
01:02:57.820babes you know for the first uh 20 years of having a fertile womb and and aren't ready to settle down1.00
01:03:04.460and be a mom until it's too late and so there's there's a ton of freezing their eggs for decades0.99
01:03:09.480they start their career and say i'm gonna have these on ice for 15 years right that's eggs
01:03:13.460different from embryos but like just 15 years and so so one uh you know that's not exactly what was
01:03:19.820in the comment from mb east but uh but i think it's both so one it's maha make america healthy
01:03:24.660again um how how many women we we don't even know but like how many women are infertile because of
01:03:31.000uh red you know red dye and because of you know what there's all these and the disruptors food
01:03:36.560yeah all these yeah and her hormonal birth control yes sir yeah um yeah but i think i think a lot of
01:03:45.160it is just man uh you know i got married when i was 21 um you know there my my wife was 20 she had
01:03:52.360a lot of fertility in front of her. And, and so we're, I think as a society, and you talk about
01:03:59.320the law as being a tutor, motherhood is awesome. Like, I mean, how, how in the world can people
01:04:05.060think that motherhood is not the highest and best use for women? What is, what is more precious
01:04:12.400than training and raising up godly young people.
01:04:19.020And so I just admire and appreciate my wife so much for what she has done.
01:04:26.520I can't imagine what she could have accomplished in a corporate world
01:04:30.260that would even compare to what she has given me with five children
01:04:35.700who love the Lord and who respect their parents
01:04:39.140and who are, God willing, going to be responsible members of society.
01:16:04.020In many ways, it is very non-Christian, but that doesn't say anything about Glenn personally.
01:16:08.920So I would just have to be more familiar with his work.
01:16:10.840And I'll say this, the specific thing that he recently asked me to do was in regards to a debate with guys in the red pill movement who advocate for polygamy. And so I politely told him, no, not because I'm inherently against debating and certainly not because I'm for polygamy. I believe polygamy is wrong.
01:16:32.760um but here's the thing that guys just don't realize uh debates um every time you say yes to0.97
01:16:39.000a debate um essentially you need to walk uh say yes right you send back that text message and say
01:16:45.580yes i'll do the debate and then you immediately need to walk into the living room and look your
01:16:49.660wife and children in the eyes and say you will be without a father for the next month yeah that's
01:16:54.240that's like seriously i uh what's uh wes huff uh huff yeah you know like everybody after he you
01:17:00.080know had uh like a more informal it wasn't uh uh timed and stuff but with uh what's that guy's name
01:17:04.980the black guy who's who's billy carson yeah billy carson right so they had and then everybody you
01:17:09.800know came out of the woodwork and was like debate me bro debate me bro and i thought he had a really
01:17:13.780good little response that he just he just shot impromptu five minute little response and i saw
01:17:18.180it floating around on the interweb where he said and he was respectful he was like guys i'm like
01:17:22.860it's not that i don't think um that uh that you merit a debate or or that i don't think you're
01:17:28.300intellectual or this but it's also not that i'm afraid or i'm scared or my position can't stand
01:17:33.480on its own two legs um you just you have to understand um debates are incredibly incredibly
01:17:40.120demanding on your time you can't just uh you can't just walk into the room and just kind of ad lib
01:17:46.780you know i'm your huckleberry you know doc holiday style shoot from the hip that's just that's so
01:17:51.400anyway so all that being said uh sage d thank you for the encouragement tell glenn uh your friend
01:17:56.340thank you for his encouragement and uh that he's uh tuning people into our show that means the
01:18:01.680world um i i'm not super familiar with his work but he's always been kind towards me i appreciate
01:18:06.520that uh and but in terms of uh collaborating with him i would be open uh to to something like that
01:18:13.200in the future uh but at this season of my life right now with five uh very very young children
01:18:19.060i'm i'm not really itching to hop into any debates anytime soon so uh was it one more nathan
01:18:25.280very bottom okay uh let me guess it's gonna be ivf yep so this is a super chat i'll let
01:18:33.620brent handle this one so do you want to read it yeah sure everything you'd have to do to make ivf
01:18:38.560ethical would make it no longer effective why not just ban it outright um well because that's not
01:18:46.060what the goal of my uh bill is uh right now i would like to make uh equal protection under the
01:18:52.560law so that all murder is illegal in the state of texas um and so let's criminalize murder first
01:18:59.580make sure that that uh each child um whether born or unborn um they're all created in the image of
01:19:08.040god and oh and should be entitled to equal protection under the laws of the state of texas
01:19:13.720and the united states um and uh and as far as ivf we've kind of talked about it a little bit
01:19:19.760Um, but, um, you know, to the extent that it can be done without destroying human life,
01:19:25.220uh, and I believe that it can, um, I mean, we, we're about to go to Mars, right?
01:19:30.380I mean, uh, we, we've, uh, uh, there's a lot of things that we can do.
01:19:34.640Um, I think that let's, let's focus on, um, that issue a different day.