The NXR Podcast - THE LIVESTREAM - Alternative Media is Quickly Dying

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00:00:27.680 The Daily Wire was founded in 2015 and grew astronomically in its first few years.

00:00:34.200 By 2018, they were by far the most popular right-wing publisher on all of Facebook.

00:00:40.460 And by 2021, their stories received more social media attention than any other news publisher, according to NPR.

00:00:48.520 They made their headlines over the years from uncancelling conservatives that had been unjustly fired or hitting back at woke companies like Harry's Razors and Hershey's Chocolate.

00:01:01.960 But as of yesterday, March 18th, co-CEO and co-founder Jeremy Boring is stepping down as CEO.

00:01:09.140 Now, whether this was willingly or unwillingly doesn't really matter.

00:01:13.740 It's a huge shakeup for someone who's as visible as Jeremy.

00:01:17.180 And behind the scenes, quite honestly, things are not looking good.

00:01:22.600 Two of their biggest stars, Candace Owens and Brett Cooper, have departed to considerable success elsewhere.

00:01:30.060 Their daily content, streaming services, and film endeavors aren't making the impact that they used to.

00:01:37.340 Now, it would be tempting to chalk this up to mismanagement and internal drama.

00:01:43.080 But underneath, there's a bigger theme.

00:01:45.540 Daily Wire was the disruption to legacy media.

00:01:49.800 Young, informed millennials and Gen X have largely stopped watching cable TV

00:01:54.880 and now consume their news via the internet.

00:01:58.580 Daily Wire leapt on that trend right as it took off.

00:02:02.500 But eventually, the disruptors often become the establishment, prone to being disrupted themselves.

00:02:09.360 And now, a mere 10 years from its founding,

00:02:12.240 Daily Wire is finding out that it is what Fox News was in 2015, an aging legacy establishment

00:02:21.200 that couldn't take the next step to keep up with the rapidly changing culture and the shifting

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00:02:40.880 going to patreon.com forward slash right response ministries, or you can donate by going to

00:02:48.740 right response ministries.com forward slash donate. So today we are going to talk about

00:02:55.800 the rise and fall of the daily wire, the coming decline of alternative media and where new

00:03:02.600 personalities are quickly filling the void.

00:03:10.880 welcome back welcome back wednesday white pill it's gonna be with you guys

00:03:19.060 jeremy boring is out patriots in control no just kidding um no so uh big news yesterday

00:03:26.660 not the jfk files as big as that was uh 80 000 pages i haven't read all of it yet that's getting

00:03:32.100 to the end it's gonna take some time to sift through like you're already seeing people report

00:03:36.100 certain things like israeli intelligence was one of the things that came out but it's that one's

00:03:41.460 going to take time for people to really glean something useful a lot of it too is a xerox or

00:03:46.540 scanned in pages too so there's no just control f and search for whatever term or jack has a hard

00:03:52.160 time reading through that yeah but uh now did we get that to distract from the fact we never got

00:03:57.220 epstein because that kind of uh we didn't give you what we promised i did see that uh jfk wrote

00:04:04.460 a nice letter to biden back when uh you know biden was just a lowly senator did you guys see

00:04:09.540 that i just saw the headline there that said uh they just had a snippet of it and it was

00:04:14.340 a letter from jfk to biden it said uh you know you're biden i know you're a traitor or something

00:04:20.320 like that and then it was cut off at that point so yeah yeah yeah he's been he's been trouble for

00:04:25.240 a while even back as a senator uh not great so but that's not the topic of conversation today

00:04:31.120 Someday, maybe, Lord willing, we'll get all into it.

00:04:33.080 But we're talking today about The Daily Wire.

00:04:35.660 And just to rewind, why The Daily Wire?

00:04:38.000 And why is it important that Jeremy Boring stepped down in the larger macro trend?

00:04:42.020 At the end of the day, news media outlets, they rise and they fall.

00:04:44.800 So why spend the time?

00:04:46.460 Why spend some time talking about this?

00:04:48.600 And I think it's interesting because we alluded to in the cold opening.

00:04:51.460 This isn't just a single one-off example.

00:04:53.800 You guys have to understand that Daily Wire has been, for better or for worse,

00:04:57.880 the most successful conservative and we'll put some air quotes around that one conservative

00:05:02.800 but a conservative right-wing media they've been the biggest one by the numbers that has emerged

00:05:08.400 in the modern 2010s era uh if you kind of rewind back television was the big thing that changed the

00:05:15.180 way americans consumed media you can throw up graph number one here but um but cable tv i mean

00:05:20.880 it was in everyone's home and everyone wasn't just watching you know like there's 600 shows to choose

00:05:25.800 from they had like three and you can see here that cable tv in many ways is the number of

00:05:30.640 household that it occupied that it peaked right around 2012 2013 and the real decline from about

00:05:37.700 100 million homes it's in about 100 million american homes cable tv subscribers where the

00:05:42.680 decline starts is 2015 and that's the year that the daily wire starts and that was a a real

00:05:48.060 important point where the turning happened and people began more and more they certainly were

00:05:52.260 starting to but they got less of their information from television less of their information from

00:05:57.120 legacy media i mean 2015 in many ways that's when trump was on he's getting ready to run the primary

00:06:02.400 early 2016 that's when the primaries happened that was the time that he was saying hey these

00:06:07.600 legacy media institutions this media tv cable tv cnn all of them they're a bunch of liars they've

00:06:14.080 been established i get that they've been around your grandparents your parents this is where they 0.77

00:06:18.160 got all their news from dumb bunk and from 2015 to 2018 daily wire absolutely exploded so jeremy

00:06:26.500 boring ben shapiro there's one other guy that helped to found it they really took over and

00:06:30.620 they didn't just take over with the long march the institutions they didn't spend 20 years

00:06:34.800 putting together a team and raising funds and slowly expanding in a matter of three years yeah

00:06:41.160 and i think a big part of that and christians need to know this to be able to think tactically

00:06:45.400 what did what happened what changed technology changed technology changed and people began

00:06:51.280 consuming from their phones which now have the ability to listen to things to download things

00:06:55.780 the way an ipod nano couldn't they changed using their phones to get information and people started

00:07:00.540 getting information from podcasts and daily wire was right there and it was a lot harder i mean now

00:07:06.120 you know podcasts are like children they're too easy to make and uh there's too many people that

00:07:09.680 have them that shouldn't have them i'm just kidding but uh it's a lot easier to start a

00:07:13.040 podcast today than it was in 2016 2017 2018 but their opportunistic bent is what propelled them

00:07:20.400 so quickly to being so influential yeah they were on the cutting edge of the technology at the time

00:07:25.400 i you know i've been thinking for a while it's kind of um it's interesting the providence of

00:07:30.840 god that you're looking at half a millennia almost exactly uh from luther and so you think

00:07:37.420 of like God oftentimes, he seems to sync up technological innovation with theological

00:07:43.300 reformation. God in his providence has this pattern, it seems as though a pattern of

00:07:49.980 syncing up providentially technological innovation with theological reformation.

00:07:54.540 So you think of Luther, it's like, it's not just that Luther was, you know, a titan

00:08:00.020 intellectually and rhetorically, that he was gifted and intelligent and persuasive speaker.

00:08:07.840 But Luther probably would not have the impact that he had.

00:08:11.600 We may not even, you know, he may have been lost to history.

00:08:14.280 We may not even have knowledge of Luther if it wasn't for the timing, providentially, of him coming right on the heels.

00:08:19.880 Well, Jan Hus had tried something similar, not too much before that.

00:08:23.920 Tyndale and Hus, there were many who tried, and probably maybe better character, more self-controlled than Luther.

00:08:30.120 Right, yep.

00:08:30.980 So, the Gutenberg printing press opened up a whole new realm of opportunity.

00:08:36.560 and it's also likened to our current moment in the sense that uh you know the roman catholic 0.90

00:08:42.460 church at that time was at the height of its corruption right because people always you know 0.52

00:08:47.160 like a lot of times they're like what you you know you're a fan of the crusades how dare you

00:08:51.100 you know not a single crusader they're all in hell right and it's like what what do you mean

00:08:55.440 like because they were violent no because they didn't hold to the soul like something you know

00:09:00.440 hold the tulip like i mean that is some people it's sad but like some protestants that really

00:09:04.980 is their view of church history. It's no different than Mormons, right? It's like there's the first

00:09:10.220 century church, and they were faithful, and then all fidelity, you know, Christian fidelity was

00:09:15.320 lost, but then it picked back up, you know, like 1,800 years later with, you know, Joseph Smith,

00:09:21.380 you know, or, you know, Charismatics, you know, not all of them, but some of them can have that

00:09:26.580 same kind of mindset that, you know, first century is faithful, and then it was utterly lost, you

00:09:30.520 know the spirit and fidelity and faithfulness was utterly lost until 1906 azusa street and reformers

00:09:37.100 you know protestants in a general sense especially reformed protestants can you know give into that

00:09:41.840 same inclination that says like first century was faithful and then there was not one faithful

00:09:46.240 christian you know for 1400 years until you know lutheran and um and so anyways uh but the point

00:09:53.260 is, you know, that, you know, there were many who were, you know, they were Roman Catholic,

00:10:00.540 you know, certainly lowercase c Catholic, all Christians in that capacity. But then some,

00:10:04.960 you know, when we're distinctly Roman Catholic, and that we're a part of the Crusades, and some

00:10:09.640 of them were not great, and some of them were wonderful, and we should seek to emulate our

00:10:15.240 lives. But by the time of Luther, I don't think there can be any argument, even like Roman Catholics 1.00

00:10:19.500 today will say like yeah that was unfortunate you know we kind of we we overplayed our hands

00:10:25.840 you know and that you know like selling indulgences to get your loved ones out of purgatory you know

00:10:30.760 and exploiting the poor like even still to this day people like well protestants you know they

00:10:35.000 meet in an old pizza hut building you know and they don't care anything for you know architecture

00:10:38.900 and meanwhile us you know roman catholics we have this beautiful these beautiful cathedrals and it's

00:10:44.020 like uh well my friend um you know you know the saying about old money well like when you have

00:10:49.560 500 year old money that you made off of widows and orphans and peasants by exploiting them telling

00:10:55.460 them can you hear the screams tetzel you know like every time a coin in the coffer clings a

00:10:59.840 soul from purgatory springs can you hear the screams of your loved ones in hell give your

00:11:04.340 you know you you wanted to eat today well too bad give your tiny little copper coins you know so

00:11:09.400 that uh your your dead grandma you know isn't being tortured in purgatory anyone like when

00:11:14.180 that's your financial system and strategy and you do that 500 years ago and then you build on the

00:11:19.740 interest you know and the com you know like being able to invest that for half a millennia then

00:11:23.680 yeah you can afford cathedrals okay like okay so yeah you have nicer buildings and we would like

00:11:29.300 to like it doesn't mean it doesn't matter architecture does matter vaulted ceilings

00:11:33.040 speak to the transcendence of god all these things we're working on it give us some time

00:11:36.120 So, all that being said, the point is, you had a monopoly.

00:11:39.800 This is what I'm getting at.

00:11:40.900 You had a monopoly of power and a collection, centralized power with a monopoly on truth.

00:11:48.660 Right?

00:11:48.800 So, the Latin Vulgate, you know, they had changed certain, it's not just that it was

00:11:53.240 in Latin and that, you know, the common person, you know, was illiterate.

00:11:56.920 And even if they could maybe read a little bit, they certainly couldn't read Latin.

00:12:01.040 You know, like, and not just they couldn't read it, all the services were in Latin.

00:12:04.340 People would literally go like the term hocus pocus, like a wizard, you know, casting some

00:12:09.140 kind of spell, ooh, hocus pocus.

00:12:11.520 That phrase, hocus pocus, being associated with like some kind of mystical magic comes

00:12:16.380 from the liturgy, the Latin liturgy in Roman Catholic mass at this time that when they

00:12:22.660 did, you know, when they were performing the ceremony and ministering the Eucharist, that

00:12:28.680 hocus pocus was kind of like a slight revision from some of the latin that they that they would

00:12:34.020 use in the liturgy when it came to transubstantiation and and the bread actually turning

00:12:38.560 into the body of christ and the wine turning into the blood of christ this is a time when you have 1.00

00:12:43.000 you know intinction like they weren't even serving the full supper because those peasants and paupers 0.99

00:12:47.620 you know they can't be they'll spill the wine you know it's the literal blood of christ we can't be 1.00

00:12:51.200 spilling christ's blood on the floor you know and so uh we're just going to give them a bread you

00:12:55.320 you know, and they only get half the supper. And this is from Catholics that like literally believe 1.00

00:12:59.860 that this sacrament is, it's not imputed righteousness by faith that Protestants

00:13:04.360 believe, but they literally believe that righteousness, grace was infused and that

00:13:08.880 the sacrament of the Eucharist, that the whole, you could not just the bread, but also the wine

00:13:13.160 was paramount to people's salvation. And yet they're like, oh, you only get half of it. And

00:13:16.800 if you go to hell, well, you won't go to hell, you'll go to purgatory and then we'll make more 0.99

00:13:20.700 money, you know, good news. There's a way out of purgatory. So then we'll, you know, we'll pick 0.98

00:13:25.000 the pockets of your children and your grandchildren. And so terrible time, not a great time. That said,

00:13:30.680 that's not every Catholic who ever lived. We are not of the persuasion that there was no faithful

00:13:35.740 gospel witness for 1400 years. We are not that kind of Protestant, which I believe is a fairly

00:13:41.020 insufferable type of Protestant. We like King Alfred. We like Duke Gregory. We think that

00:13:47.820 there were great men during that time that God has always preserved a faithful remnant throughout

00:13:52.800 all of Christian history. And we believe that the Dark Ages were probably, just the fact that

00:13:58.940 secular modernists call them Dark Ages means they were probably a fairly decent time to be alive. 0.74

00:14:04.620 So all that being said, here's the point. You have centralized power. That power is corrupt.

00:14:08.960 That power has gained a monopoly on truth. Truth is not accessible to the common man. They can't

00:14:15.220 even read the Bible. It's the Vulgate. It's in Latin. Not only was it only in Latin they can't

00:14:19.580 read and they can't even understand latin when it's spoken um but but then even the the latin

00:14:24.760 translation of the bible they had changed certain verses where you know where the bible would say

00:14:28.540 and repentance and the latin vulgate would say do penance and so you have all this going on

00:14:34.440 and it's basically it's all organized it's all centralized it's all underneath one system with

00:14:39.040 with a clear hierarchy and hierarchy is not inherently bad it's you know it's it's a good

00:14:43.320 thing it's some it's god's design it's his order but it can be corrupted so you imagine like uh the

00:14:48.700 the the old adage you know finding a needle in a haystack well at this time you don't have a

00:14:53.640 haystack you have a nice sheath of hay it's orderly it's you know it's all put together

00:14:59.000 it's pristine but there's no needle whatsoever there's no needle like it can't be found and

00:15:04.780 then what the reformation gives you is a giant pile of hay and it's disorderly and it's chaotic

00:15:10.260 and it's but methodist episcopalians anglicans it's a big mucky and luther knew this they literally

00:15:17.240 I believe it was the Council of Trent that they said, if you do this, talking about translating

00:15:22.460 the Bible into the vulgar, not vulgate, but the vulgar tongue, meaning the common tongue where

00:15:27.740 people could read it in German and this and that and the other. If you do this, you will open up

00:15:33.340 a floodgate of iniquity. And furthermore, what they were saying is that there's going to be

00:15:37.580 3,000 different denominations. And Luther didn't argue. He didn't say, no, that's not going to

00:15:42.000 happened. Luther says, so be it. And not because he thinks that it's good, you know, but Luther 0.93

00:15:48.500 was saying better to have 3,000 or 30,000, you know, different denominations, better to have a

00:15:54.620 chaotic, messy pile of hay where there's at least a few needles of truth that could actually be

00:16:00.620 found than to have a nice organized sheath, but there's no needle at all. And so, you have

00:16:06.480 centralized power, the power becomes corrupt, they have a monopoly on truth, and then God in

00:16:12.760 his providence doesn't just use theological reformation, Luther, but technological innovation,

00:16:18.320 the Gutenberg printing press, to disrupt it. The monopoly gets broken apart, the centralized

00:16:24.820 and now corrupt power and gatekeepers get disrupted and fractured, and it's not just

00:16:36.000 because some guy read his bible and new theology it's also in the province of god is because some

00:16:40.900 other guy uh invented the printing press and so now 500 years later that would be 2017 it's so

00:16:47.460 funny because you were showing the chart it's literally 500 years to the date when you look at

00:16:52.120 like the daily wire in 2015 to 2015 like right exactly 500 years half a millennia later like

00:16:58.900 well what do you have well al gore invented the internet we all know that you know that's i mean

00:17:03.560 thank God for Al Gore. Yeah, that's a gospel truth. There's no disputing that. But you have

00:17:08.120 not just the invention of the internet, but then on the heels of that, you have social media and

00:17:12.780 then you have all these things. And part of the reason Daily Wire rose to power, because I

00:17:16.520 remember those days. Now, I wasn't ready to be doing, to take advantage of it in the way that

00:17:22.200 they did. So, that window closed and a lot of us missed it. But the whole algorithmic system

00:17:30.480 of facebook in particular was was radically different at that time um all the way up until

00:17:36.460 about 2018 and you see that's when the decline like daily why was dominating specifically on

00:17:42.700 that social media platform facebook and the reason why was every single person who followed your page

00:17:48.580 who became a fan every single person who followed your page um if if you had 50 000 followers you

00:17:56.380 post something and it will be seen by 50 000 people later on it's like you have you know you

00:18:01.960 could have you could have 500 000 followers and you could you could legitimately today you could

00:18:08.720 have 500 followers on facebook and you could post something and if the algorithm doesn't like it it

00:18:13.860 might be seen by 70 not thousand 70 people and facebook makes you pay for your own to get your

00:18:21.160 own content to your own fans that you've gathered you have to now how do you think we're getting to

00:18:25.980 a two trillion dollar market cap here chief that's right that's right um it's like indulgences in the

00:18:32.020 old day you had indulgences for the catholic church facebook said hang on a second right

00:18:36.780 hang on a minute there is something there so the point is like so did we do you see the similarities

00:18:41.700 right so so centralized power institutional power that becomes corrupt and has a monopoly on truth

00:18:47.080 it can't be nobody else has access to it uh roman catholicism at the time in the 1500s okay then

00:18:52.960 think uh 500 years later uh legacy media uh the the regime the bourgeoisie the the uh political

00:19:00.500 and cultural elites right same same kind of thing right monopoly on truth somebody has a story it

00:19:05.800 doesn't matter you got three news stations on cable television and if they don't like it if

00:19:10.280 they get the call shut it down then that that story's not nobody's gonna see it right right

00:19:14.580 but then but then the internet and social media breaks it up and in the wild wild west days you

00:19:19.860 when it's still a little bit more organic and it's new and people are making the switch and

00:19:23.860 facebook hasn't yet quite been as corrupted as it is now um then you know you you actually put

00:19:30.060 if you're doing well on on facebook you're not you're not penalized your stuff is actually doing

00:19:34.500 well it's actually getting out there and then facebook you know now they get the call right

00:19:38.780 they're the big dogs in town and now they're getting reined in and now they you know like

00:19:42.500 and all this is proven like zuckerberg literally was contacted by the white house and you know

00:19:47.580 during the biden administration and leading up uh to it where like you you must censor the hunter

00:19:53.240 biden laptop story and and zuckerberg you know is like absolutely you know and then he shoots a

00:19:58.600 video of him you know wakeboarding behind a boat with an american flag like hey you know i know i'm

00:20:03.360 a traitor to the country but will you like me now you know like and so anyway so all all that being

00:20:08.880 said the point is just that um there's some stark similarities uh but what's happening now is it

00:20:15.100 even within the social media realm um it's like everybody is trying to start a podcast one there's

00:20:21.660 just an incredible amount of competition that there wasn't just five years ago yeah two um not

00:20:27.000 only is there more creators and therefore more competition but all the algorithms have become

00:20:31.340 far less favorable than they they used to be especially facebook um and and then and then

00:20:37.860 for the overton window or three i think i said two things three the overton window is literally

00:20:43.280 shifting at the speed of light and so when i think of like the daily wire for instance it makes

00:20:47.340 perfect sense that 2015 to 2018 would be like their their rocket ship to the moon because

00:20:53.940 a couple things one uh legacy media already was massively discrediting itself and not running

00:21:00.340 you know there's just a ton of things that they wouldn't touch with a 10-foot pole

00:21:04.460 and and then you think of republicans this is your like the heyday you know in many ways of

00:21:10.320 still the neocons you know are in control and he's just your jeb bush's and your mitt romney's

00:21:16.000 and all that kind of stuff and so um like ben shapiro at that time i know this sounds crazy

00:21:20.800 you know now but believe it or not ben shapiro was actually uh people would consider him a

00:21:25.720 conservative like he's on the right you know like not everyone but some he's at the you know to the

00:21:30.200 right of of jeb bush and you know to the right of mitt romney yep um and they were early on

00:21:36.380 especially to transgenderism they made that their issue and they dug in and yeah what put

00:21:42.940 ben on the map was that interview with that quote-unquote lady they grabbed him by the back

00:21:47.400 of the neck yeah you know and that that really was uh that and the piers morgan interview but

00:21:53.820 that one in particular just that went viral in a time when viral was brand new right viral was

00:22:00.280 authentic it was organic and uh and if you and if you struck gold you actually got to keep the gold

00:22:05.320 but but then the last thing i was going to say is ironically people don't think of this but

00:22:09.900 ironically 2020 was devastating for the daily wire and what i mean by that is all of a sudden

00:22:17.380 it became the political and cultural landscape became kind of like the wild wild west again it

00:22:21.940 became you know a brave new world and um and all of a sudden the number one currency and i think

00:22:27.360 we're still in this moment and i think we're going to be here for another five ten years and we'll

00:22:30.980 get to that like why it may not be the best time to have formal alliances and why you know like

00:22:35.840 why it's you know probably smarter to do guerrilla warfare and travel light you know and and be you

00:22:41.220 know remain independent so that you can be flexible and all these kinds of things um but

00:22:45.580 when 2020 hit this brave new world um at that point the 2015 to 2018 the daily wire what they

00:22:53.640 had in their sales was uh benjamin uh benjamin ben shapiro he really is sharp and he's a good

00:22:59.760 communicator those things are absolutely true right you can't disparage them on on those merits

00:23:04.520 he really is sharp and uh and the dude can talk fast um and and and then you also had um

00:23:11.240 the algorithm being favorable with facebook and and very few um headwinds mostly tailwinds and

00:23:19.400 they took advantage of the tech and and and that landscape um but then once you got into 2020

00:23:25.200 for the last five years like this is what you just have to realize um ben shapiro who who is

00:23:31.000 still known as a conservative he has taken the non-conservative position on every issue for the

00:23:37.480 last five years right the dude pushed the vaccine almost as hard as any liberal did i mean like

00:23:45.680 like he didn't take a stand on covid he didn't take a stand on vaccines he didn't really take

00:23:50.880 a stand on mass not until months and months and months after the fact election fraud yeah he wasn't

00:23:56.840 going to war yep right election fraud like like ben steven crowder was i remember yeah daily wire

00:24:01.960 yeah they're like oh we're not going to do this i'm not going to say that the election was rigged

00:24:06.320 i don't think so you know um and then uh maga george floyd uh maga like even even with our

00:24:13.520 most recent election daily wire was 100 shilling for ron de santis yep and don't get us wrong we

00:24:19.540 like ron desantis we think he's an excellent governor maybe he'll no i'm just gonna say it

00:24:25.320 and i don't mean this negatively if ron desantis ever heard this i think he's an excellent governor

00:24:29.580 i'm incredibly grateful for him and i think he's for from everything that i've heard and everything

00:24:35.000 that i see i think he's a brother in christ and a christian man super grateful for that um i don't

00:24:40.880 believe that man will ever be president i just i just don't think like because it's more than just

00:24:46.400 your positions right so like like well uh my facts don't care about your feelings well also

00:24:50.800 the populace their feelings um don't care about your facts if it's you know coming from a guy

00:24:56.660 who's like stands like you know in front of the camera there's the personality of a brown paper

00:25:03.100 bag right so it's just not going to happen but here's the thing daily wire threw they threw in

00:25:07.620 everybody had a choice like what which horse am i going to bet on they bet on the wrong horse on

00:25:11.560 COVID. They bet on the wrong horse with vaccines, bet on the wrong horse with, you know, the election

00:25:18.280 being rigged in 2020. And then, you know, this most recent election, bet on Ron DeSantis as the

00:25:24.320 wrong horse. And they came out, you know, favorably like, yeah, you know, Trump's great, but Trump

00:25:28.200 still was not their first pick. They distinguished, they clearly publicly distinguished themselves

00:25:32.700 from MAGA, which is a massive, you know, so yeah, so they're kind of on the decline.

00:25:38.500 and the guys who threw their hat in trump's ring like dan bongino oh what is he now oh deputy

00:25:44.060 director of the fbi right pete hegseth who wrote a book same thing like was influential a talk show

00:25:50.080 host where is he oh head of department of defense yeah yep do you have anything to add michael had

00:25:55.240 one more thought but well only just that one of the lessons here like we're the reason we're

00:26:01.860 talking about this is we're trying to just help christians and help conservatives think carefully

00:26:08.220 about where we are in uh our nation's history and even the cultural moment and how to react but

00:26:14.140 part of the reality is simply the daily wire threw their their hat in the ring i'm just thinking of

00:26:20.860 maga and desantis with the wrong guy and there's just consequences for that that wasn't even

00:26:26.140 necessarily um like the vaccine thing i you know that that to me was was a not just a tactical error

00:26:34.080 that was an ideological mistake like they were on the wrong side of that not just because they

00:26:40.120 read the tea leaves wrong but because they had a wrong perspective on the right of government and

00:26:45.240 the vaccine and all of that thing but with MAGA sometimes you you throw your hat in the ring

00:26:51.160 and sometimes that you just well that was not sometimes you lose that was just not the right

00:26:55.140 one and it doesn't even mean that you're a bad person or anything like that like Ron DeSantis

00:26:58.560 is a great guy I get why they made that choice Steve Dace did the same thing and Steve Dace

00:27:03.580 lost some followers over he bet on ron de santis he said no to maga and steve dace would tell you

00:27:09.320 he said it publicly on his show several times like yeah they paid a cost they lost some followers

00:27:13.360 but steve dace is you know similar to the daily wire in the sense that um there are i think clearly

00:27:20.080 some distinctions between them but similar in the sense that when it became clear like trump won the

00:27:24.640 primaries uh steve dace was like all right we're voting for trump you know and then he worked

00:27:30.140 really hard so then and in terms of numerically it hurt him because he lost on both sides of the

00:27:35.520 equation so he lost a lot of MAGA guys when he supported uh DeSantis and then once it was clear

00:27:40.260 that that Trump was the only runner Dace did the right thing he did the right thing he said guys

00:27:45.160 okay well like Kamala has to lose and Trump is not a terrible guy we do support Trump we just

00:27:49.680 thought DeSantis was better so now we're getting behind Trump and then all you're never Trumpers

00:27:53.520 who liked DeSantis were like how could you possibly say anything positive about Trump

00:27:57.160 And so, he lost the MAGA guys when he went for DeSantis.

00:28:00.980 Then he lost the DeSantis guys when he just did the practical, logical thing once DeSantis

00:28:07.260 didn't have the path to victory and it was over.

00:28:09.820 And so, yeah.

00:28:10.340 So, there's all those kinds of things.

00:28:12.180 Back to COVID and vaccines, just real quick.

00:28:14.220 I think Ben Shapiro being one of the primary faces of The Daily Wire and co-founding it

00:28:19.160 with Jeremy Boring before Matt Walsh grew to stardom quickly.

00:28:24.380 but there were some significant things you know projects along the way like what is a woman you

00:28:29.160 know these kinds of things and so for a while it was like matt walsh was an afterthought you know

00:28:34.040 compared to ben shapiro right like i remember when ben shapiro had three million you know

00:28:37.780 people on youtube and matt walsh had like 400 000 you know and it wasn't even close

00:28:43.200 whereas now you know like a lot of people would probably side with matt walsh over ben shapiro

00:28:49.580 myself included i think matt walsh and michael knowles for that matter i think both of them

00:28:53.960 it's probably going to be like tucker carlson and fox like i think it's not it's not if it's

00:28:58.580 just a matter of when it could be you know two two months i wouldn't be shocked if it's two months

00:29:02.740 or it could be two years where all of a sudden they're going to set out and they're going to do

00:29:06.640 the very thing we'll be talking about a little bit more later uh in terms of strategy and like

00:29:10.720 they're going to fly independently they're going to do their own thing same as candace same as

00:29:14.220 tucker um i think that's inevitable but but real quick with the vaccines with ben shapiro it's like

00:29:19.220 he took this position that was very favorable of the vaccines like you know like he admitted he

00:29:24.360 gave himself a couple caveats and said like yeah if you're perfectly healthy you know 25 year old

00:29:29.260 you're talking about covid specifically because i'm talking about vaccines in general where he

00:29:33.200 said he said the state cannot go into your house and force a needle into your kid's arm but if you

00:29:38.720 expect your kid to be participating in public with other kids then that's you know you you must comply

00:29:44.440 same concept on the COVID vaccine tweeted out get the vaccine you dopes yeah literally yeah

00:29:49.400 literally tweeted that out um and so he would say like yeah if you're healthy but then but then he

00:29:53.700 would immediately follow it up by saying yeah but you know we um my parents are elderly and they're

00:29:58.360 a regular part of our lives and so that's why me and my wife you know we got the vaccine all this

00:30:01.960 stuff um but my point is that like I think part of that for Shapiro if I had to guess this is

00:30:07.860 speculation but I think it's you know it's reasonable speculation but um his wife is a doctor

00:30:13.720 you know and so it's like i think you know she's mentioned that at all on his show

00:30:18.260 how would you know that that's like groundbreaking you were researching early hours

00:30:24.680 but you have you know you have a wife who is a a doctor and a female doctor nonetheless and like

00:30:30.500 if you're if you're a woman who's a doctor in the medical field statistically speaking i'm not

00:30:38.320 saying every single one of them but statistically you're lit right i mean a few exemptions is that

00:30:45.260 a fair i think that's a fair assessment if you're a woman who is a a doctor in the medical field

00:30:51.000 you're probably on that spectrum of conservative to liberal you're probably a little bit on the

00:30:55.340 your your peer group is going to be a lot of individuals that are lean much more liberal

00:31:00.420 from the american medical association from the conferences they go to so at the very least we

00:31:04.180 say an individual that's not sympathetic that way is fighting against the trend and i would imagine

00:31:09.780 that my point is i would imagine that if this is my wife i'm probably leaning on her deferring to

00:31:15.620 her and her medical expertise in this area in 2020 and that i don't think that that that worked out

00:31:21.540 for him um well we say all that about technology to say something is happening i think of the same

00:31:27.380 caliber right now so we talked about how hard it would be for example to start a show and to start

00:31:31.380 a podcast in 2015 i remember 2009 2010 editing video in like adobe after effects yeah the things

00:31:39.060 that are possible right now one of the reason all these creators are exploding and there's just ton

00:31:43.460 there's more of them there's more videos there's more content coming out more all this out of the

00:31:47.460 other is all the tools and especially powered by ai are changing the game again so again before

00:31:53.700 2017 2018 2019 if you wanted to have a studio and you wanted to look am i good you wanted to have

00:31:59.060 cuts you wanted to make clips of it and pull them out that was hours and hours and hours of work

00:32:03.080 and a single individual couldn't do it but now there are single solo dudes it's just them they

00:32:07.720 don't have a team they don't have a like even all that much you know like expertise and all that

00:32:12.580 and they're able to pump out content and they're not able to just pump out content and hope someday

00:32:17.840 they get monetized they're able to then start a patreon account and then they teach logic classes

00:32:22.420 and so if you you're thinking about this you're like man that that sucks i missed the boat 2015

00:32:26.960 2016 daily wire jumped on it i mean they're worth we'll get into how much they may actually be worth

00:32:32.200 but they've made their millions in their time and it's like see there it is you know us plebeians

00:32:37.220 we miss the boat again and again the game is rigged no the same thing is happening right now

00:32:42.320 there's tons of investment there's tons of economic headwinds from trump and ai is taking

00:32:47.820 a ton of tasks and ai is scary there are some ethical considerations that come along with it

00:32:54.100 But there are tons of different things that would be too time-consuming for you to do

00:32:57.760 just five years ago.

00:32:59.560 Just five years ago, if you had something to say and you wanted to get it out, it would

00:33:03.140 be too time-consuming to do.

00:33:05.020 And that's all changed.

00:33:06.240 And there are tools now to make it look better, to make it easier.

00:33:09.840 There's tools out there now to auto-clip and auto-pull shorts that you could be pumping

00:33:13.700 out on platforms like TikTok and Instagram, and you could bemoan that it's like this.

00:33:18.100 That feels like, oh, that takes time, and that feels like click-baity.

00:33:22.120 like do we want to win or not right you know like daily wire didn't sit there and go like ah podcast

00:33:27.740 who's going to pull up their phone and use that or like we really going to do a show every single

00:33:31.640 day of the week and put it on facebook they didn't sit there and think about that and go well

00:33:35.360 we'll stay reserved they bet the house they went all in and it got them their millions at least in 0.59

00:33:42.420 time and uh and a lot a lot a lot of influence especially on an issue again transgenderism that

00:33:49.220 they had a very positive impact on matt walsh and others that fell down to legislation movie

00:33:55.080 successful documentary virginia all of that actually swayed real politics on the ground

00:34:00.140 with uh what's his name yunkin yeah yunkin and in tennessee with the vanderbilt the transgender

00:34:05.100 surgery what was going on at the university there i mean like to some degree i think that a lot of

00:34:13.580 us, and I, you know, I have not been, well, I think that we could at least agree on the idea

00:34:21.420 that we wish the Daily Wire weren't having the troubles that it's having for the reasons it's

00:34:27.780 happened, that it's happened, that they're having these troubles. Because if they weren't having

00:34:32.460 these troubles, it would mean that they're kind of still being honest and abreast of the cultural

00:34:37.200 issues like they did some good work um they really did and i wish that they were doing the authentic

00:34:45.140 cutting edge good work that they did back in 2015-16 that's true i i just i would maybe add

00:34:53.040 to that the you know my take on it i think you know at least this is part of it it may maybe all

00:34:58.440 of it but at least a part of it i think they're doing a lot of the same good work that they did

00:35:03.640 from the start, but America as a whole has moved past that.

00:35:07.920 That's what I'm saying.

00:35:08.800 So it's not even so much just like,

00:35:10.800 hey, when did you guys become sellouts?

00:35:12.380 Or when did you quit?

00:35:14.120 No, I think Americans have just been waking up faster

00:35:17.280 than the Daily Wire or anybody else

00:35:20.400 in that sphere ever predicted.

00:35:22.740 Like at the time, it's like, again,

00:35:24.980 you got, if it's the Bushes and your Romneys

00:35:28.440 and like this Mitch McConnell

00:35:30.700 and these are your conservatives,

00:35:31.960 then in that landscape on that backdrop um and ben shapiro's looking you know he's looking fairly

00:35:38.980 courageous he's looking fairly conservative and he's again he's thoughtful or at least well

00:35:43.220 informed and he's a good communicator um but then like if if you know your your average guy

00:35:50.120 your average guy gets pushed all the way to like no no no it's not just being conservative

00:35:54.780 but uh no i want i want my children's children to be able to have gain you know gainful employment

00:36:01.140 in america and own a home and this and that america first well ben shapiro can't give you

00:36:06.060 america first ben shapiro is we can give you dave rubin and jordan peterson right right well it's

00:36:12.340 like somebody in the comments i thought like there's been a couple good comments one defiant

00:36:15.620 baptist he had a great comment he said um he said if you don't hit the like button on this video

00:36:20.520 you're a female doctor and i think that that's profound and i think that's true like it's like

00:36:26.200 well i'm not a female that you will literally become like a hocus pocus transubstantiation a

00:36:30.780 female doctor right now if you don't hit that like button so take care of that um you want to 1.00

00:36:35.340 you know self-preservation look out for yourself a little bit there uh but then somebody else had

00:36:39.200 a comment and said you know i well i i hope that one day ben shapiro confesses christ and i hope

00:36:44.460 the same for jordan peterson and and so do we we hope and pray that both of them uh would repent

00:36:49.480 of their sin and believe upon the lord jesus christ the exclusivity of christ and that they

00:36:53.440 would be saved um but i i couldn't help but thinking as i read that comment you know particularly

00:36:58.300 not even so much shapiro but as it pertains to jordan peterson like i hope that jordan peterson

00:37:02.220 would profess christ he's so close you know and um you know but if jordan peterson was here you know

00:37:07.800 it'd be like the meme you know with the pawn shop owner and it's like best i can do is partner with

00:37:11.900 the adl and uh and and work to penalize christians um like that's the conservative right with 0.97

00:37:19.020 conservatives like this you know who needs liberals dave rubin again like openly gay and 0.99

00:37:23.540 him and his husband bragging about a trafficking boys here's your conservatives conservatives drink 0.97

00:37:28.900 up unless we forget you know i don't want to be too harsh but but this is true and it matters and

00:37:34.280 people need to be aware like ben zeissloff is a friend uh he works for the sentinel the sentinel

00:37:40.140 is doing good work we've got friends over there um but the reason he works for the sentinels because

00:37:45.140 he used to work for the daily wire and he lost his job and why did he lose his job back to you

00:37:49.040 our thumbnail and our you know part of our focus on on today's episode he lost it specifically

00:37:54.000 because of jeremy boring um ben shapiro ran an article he's a great zeisloff i'm sorry ben

00:38:00.880 zeisloff he's a he's a zoomer he's young uh but incredibly gifted sharp competent and a great

00:38:08.560 writer and and he can just you know some guys are machines you know in terms of their just their

00:38:13.040 their capacity he can just pump out articles and so he wrote you know uh was right there at the

00:38:18.760 speed of light with a story that dropped uh with the chosen um the tv show uh you know and uh the

00:38:26.460 chosen you know there were pictures where you know right there on the set just kind of just barely

00:38:31.780 out of the camera shot um there were gay pride flags it's like here's this christian show about

00:38:37.040 jesus and there already had been plenty of debate by this point with a lot of christians saying this

00:38:41.420 isn't, I mean, what they're doing with the scripture and the license that they're taking.

00:38:45.340 And like, this is now, I mean, for us, we're like, yeah, we're not chosen respecters.

00:38:49.640 The whole thing is a second, you know, commandment violation. Like we, you know,

00:38:52.900 none of us even considered it to begin with, but some Christians who liked it at first, 0.65

00:38:57.240 maybe season one or something, we're starting to wise up and say, I don't know how Christian

00:39:00.960 this really is. Like, this is like a woke Jesus. He's like, you know, an inclusivity,

00:39:06.060 you know, diversity Jesus. This is a woke leftist Jesus. So, there was already this debate going

00:39:12.580 back and forth about whether the chosen was good or whether it was bad, if it's conservative or

00:39:17.300 if it's woke, if it's biblically faithful or if it's taking too much license and actually perverting,

00:39:22.140 you know, the message of scripture. And then this story drops where there were pictures on social

00:39:27.060 media that were publicly sourced where people who work for the chosen, like maybe it was a

00:39:32.320 cameraman or whatever you know but people on the set um had taken pictures and you see these these

00:39:38.800 rainbow flags you know and they're clearly pride pride flags and so ben ran with a story uh saying

00:39:44.580 yeah the chosen that's supposed to be a christian tv show you know um supports uh gay gay pride um

00:39:51.300 or at least at least their staff does you know that or they allow the you know some of their

00:39:55.980 staff to to have their pride flags on the set and a lot of people got upset because there's a lot of

00:40:02.080 you know fake normie you know professing christians and conservatives are like we love the chosen how

00:40:09.700 dare you you know and that's your that's your same audience let's just be honest that like

00:40:13.960 if that if that's a venn diagram then that bad boy is a circle of guys who like the daily wire

00:40:19.220 and guys who like the chosen and jeremy's a businessman he knows that right so he started

00:40:24.940 getting a lot of flack like why did the daily wire run a story against the chosen the chosen is

00:40:31.840 is the embodiment of christ the venn diagram is a circle and the daily wire is what true

00:40:37.980 conservatism is all about and you got to do something about this and uh and so jeremy

00:40:44.480 boring without even giving a second thought he wasted no time and publicly threw ben's eye slot

00:40:50.200 fired him and said i'm ashamed that we i can't believe this is a disgusting piece this is a 0.56

00:40:54.520 disgusting piece and i i'm ashamed that we ran it and like well here's the thing like that's fine

00:41:01.020 if you're cnn or whatever like you know jeremy bork claims to be a christian even if you're 0.98

00:41:04.260 fucked but jeremy claims to be a christian and conservative claims to be christian an evangelical 0.98

00:41:09.580 christian that's that's his claim and he's been saying that for years and and so like you're an 0.99

00:41:14.300 evangelical christian and you just fired a young 20 something year old christian man for doing his

00:41:20.880 job right he didn't make it up it wasn't it wasn't fake news it was a real story there's a christian

00:41:26.540 tv show with a huge christian following that really is suspect and what it's promulgating

00:41:31.980 and then here's some of the evidence because we have now now camera photos uh behind the scenes

00:41:38.180 with gay pride flags you know flying in the wind and a christian employee runs that true story

00:41:45.000 that christians should be aware of if you're going to watch the chosen you should be aware 0.98

00:41:48.860 that at least some portion of their staff is gay like you should probably know that

00:41:55.500 and openly so openly so like like campaigning there's the flag on the set as we're shooting

00:42:02.640 the show i'm shooting jesus over here and i've got my gay pride flag over there this is not

00:42:08.380 hyperbole this is what's up ben runs that show ben zeisloff runs that story a story and jeremy

00:42:15.060 boring the evangelical christian fires him and publicly humiliates him right and so anyway so

00:42:22.200 so my point is that like in today's landscape things are moving at the speed of light and a

00:42:28.460 lot of people i think are just they're wising up and they're like uh is the daily wire that

00:42:32.460 conservative right a lot of people still appreciate matt walsh and honestly in my opinion i'll say

00:42:37.480 this and people give me you know some grief but in my opinion the most based guy with uh with the

00:42:45.040 daily wire we'll say the closest to being you know as close as you can be to being based while being

00:42:51.200 with the daily wire um is actually not matt walsh i appreciate him i recognize that you know that

00:42:56.140 he's my doppelganger or i'm his or whatever um so people probably think just by the way that we

00:43:02.500 both look that i'm you know eternally bound to you know to defend him at all costs i appreciate

00:43:06.900 matt walsh i'm a matt walsh respect does he dye his beard i don't know i don't that's the difference

00:43:12.040 i think i see with the two of you yeah people people say people say i dye my beard which it's

00:43:16.840 like you can literally see the yeah whatever my girls all the time they're like dad you're getting

00:43:24.300 old so whatever but anyways the point is um i think michael knolls is actually to the right of

00:43:30.100 matt walsh people don't give him credit for that because he's he's probably he hasn't had some of

00:43:34.580 the big projects like what is a woman some of those things and also just his personality like

00:43:38.660 matt has that kind of like that almost english dry humor you know it's like very sarcastic and

00:43:43.920 and Michael Knowles, he's clean shaven. And so there's a lot of aesthetic reasons why people

00:43:49.300 maybe don't categorize him, you know, being more conservative than Matt Walsh. But Michael Knowles

00:43:55.620 has, it's really ironic. So Neil Shinvey would be, this is funny, but Neil Shinvey, you know,

00:44:00.980 was freaking about, you know, he's freaking out about the woke right, you know, the woke right,

00:44:05.100 the woke right. And one of the examples when they're like, well, what's the woke right? And

00:44:08.460 what are you talking about? And he's like, well, they're using critical race theory. It's exactly

00:44:11.760 the same as the woke left except on the right you know and it's this christian you know uh

00:44:16.020 ethnocentric you know nationalism and uh and they're praising uh franco right uh you know

00:44:22.760 and saying we need a protestant franco like here's the irony michael knolls was publicly talking

00:44:28.900 about all the redeeming characteristics and virtues of franco like three four years ago

00:44:34.840 yep before any of the christian nationalists that we're associated with started talking about it

00:44:40.020 Michael Knowles, we have to admit, he beat us to the punch on that one.

00:44:43.940 Michael Knowles has been talking about Christendom.

00:44:46.240 He's been talking about hierarchy.

00:44:48.740 He's been talking about, you know, Columbus is great.

00:44:52.040 Franco is great.

00:44:53.640 All these things consistently for a long time.

00:44:57.440 So, you know, a lot of the focus gets put on Matt Walsh,

00:45:00.960 but I wouldn't be surprised if Knowles maybe drops out even, you know, before Walsh.

00:45:06.280 Yep.

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00:47:42.340 All right. Well, I did want to get into some of the actual details about Jeremy Boring leaving as

00:47:47.500 co-CEO because it's what the topic is about. And I think it's instructive,

00:47:51.860 especially for men that look to start businesses or to start media jeremy boring i think is many

00:47:56.760 ways an example of what not to do so candace owens had a good episode on this yesterday but she gave

00:48:01.660 a lot of details she obviously knows him personally she worked at the daily wire from 2020 to 2024

00:48:06.280 but jeremy boring is unique in that he's always typically been a publicly facing ceo a typically

00:48:11.580 a publicly facing executive a lot of executives prefer to not be as publicly facing not comment

00:48:16.840 as much because they carry the weight of the brand with them but jeremy has always had in many ways

00:48:22.360 and you could say this would be his downfall he's had a big ego he wanted to make it in acting he

00:48:26.820 wanted to make it in hollywood he's always wanted to make movies and uh daily wire was as we kind

00:48:32.080 of tied it to with the technology the changing trends it was his kind of you know um raw i don't

00:48:37.700 know if you call it like rod in the fire iron in the fire that he struck lightning with and he was

00:48:42.180 successful and they did a couple different things so i remember gina carano for example was fired

00:48:47.100 from daily wire plus from no disney plus from disney plus they look from disney plus yeah

00:48:53.220 which she probably said something as like you're not a monster if you vote for trump or something

00:48:57.160 like that like something very mild it was a tweet where it was about transgenderism again and that's

00:49:01.260 kind of that's been their mo and they've done well on that issue and so she said something about like

00:49:05.260 my pronouns are beep boop beep boop like it was that mile it was it was just making fun of like

00:49:11.120 um like a transgender droid because she was in star wars uh the mandalorian yeah so they picked

00:49:17.720 up her for a movie which to be honest like nobody really remembered they made a couple other movies

00:49:22.420 shut in uh run fight hide they also just bought the rights to one movie and released it like one

00:49:27.360 of them they didn't make they just well in all those like what do they have in common right so 0.77

00:49:31.860 run hide fight or the one with gina yeah yeah like it's always it's like we're conservative 1.00

00:49:36.500 we're the daily wire we're conservative we've had enough with transgenderism and so we're going to 0.99

00:49:40.900 make a movie with fighters and the lead protagonist is going to be a chick yep it's like are you that 1.00

00:49:45.820 conservative that's what those movies were they ran a number of anti-cancellation campaigns too

00:49:50.480 so harry's razors canceled michael knowles right for being based they were a sponsor and they

00:49:55.740 canceled them and so jeremy came out and said well this is our great opportunity to launch our own

00:49:59.280 brand of razors and he put out a very risque video i remember a lot of christians at the time

00:50:03.360 commented like why is a professing christian putting out a video where he's surrounded by

00:50:08.500 lingerie models right so same thing with uh hershey's so hershey's they did something with

00:50:14.020 a transgender man on national women's day yeah and they're like no no no instead of instead of

00:50:19.740 woke chocolate you get non-woke chocolate and so they launched their own chocolate company so 0.90

00:50:24.920 they've always been trying these different things to latch on and do it but what it really appears

00:50:29.260 there in nashville where the headquarters is is that jeremy is very controlling this is number

00:50:34.080 of people inside who have said this and that the daily wire a lot of people are unhappy with it

00:50:38.480 so candace owens for example was fired it was a year ago practically to yesterday she was right

00:50:44.160 around the time that the first christ is king controversy was right it was spiraling yep the

00:50:50.000 first christ is king controversy and she was one of their biggest stars yeah she was but but ego

00:50:54.740 the the platform the business the institution they couldn't have that same thing we don't know all

00:51:00.840 the details of it but brett cooper was one of their biggest stars and she left and in a weird

00:51:05.680 kind of way jeremy almost blamed the daily wire viewership they plugged in someone else who would

00:51:10.380 help co-host brett's show said no we'll just plug this in it'll be just like the same which you

00:51:14.940 ultimately don't get to do that doesn't happen like they literally thought the show will go on 1.00

00:51:19.100 right like the show will go on it'll get all just replace her with with some other chick and um but

00:51:25.080 then what we're finding and this gets into a good point of like our larger conversation but

00:51:28.340 what we're finding is that um audiences are actually a little bit more loyal than someone

00:51:33.880 like jeremy boring suspected um they didn't just stick around like oh it's the same time slot it's

00:51:39.960 the same show no the the audience is real people who really did appreciate brett cooper and when

00:51:46.980 they when they got rid of brett cooper whatever was going on there and it doesn't seem like it

00:51:50.740 was entirely amicable um when brett cooper was pushed out which is what it looked like

00:51:55.940 then guess what the audience did not side with the institution with the machine with the company

00:52:01.340 they sided with the person they followed brett cooper yep same with candace i was about to say

00:52:06.360 through canvas through ben's ice law through brett cooper the theme that emerges again and again

00:52:11.180 from people inside the daily wire is that he really as a ceo co-ceo he goes to ceos with

00:52:18.020 someone else was taking the company in a bad direction there's been a number of movies so

00:52:21.880 they're supposed to do a snow white movie with brett cooper right doesn't look like that'll be

00:52:25.900 happen uh something north of 50 million dollars is being spent to fund jeremy's dream of a pen

00:52:33.340 dragon cycle series is that the title of it michael yeah pen dragon cycle it was supposed to

00:52:38.140 release last year because they have a streaming service the daily wire plus it's now millions of

00:52:42.680 dollars over budget it's over a year late and his supposed departure from ceo was to focus his

00:52:48.020 creativity there now everything about it we don't have to get into the details of it but whether it's

00:52:53.120 things that ben said the new incoming full-time ceo said nothing about this appears to be

00:52:57.980 voluntary that jeremy himself came forward and said you know things are going great and i love

00:53:04.420 the direction things are going and i want to step off and do some of the things that i really wanted

00:53:08.060 to do for a while much about this seems as if we're to understand the reports that are correct

00:53:12.140 even that pendragon series is being moved off-site because jeremy boring is not being let

00:53:16.700 back into the company and so as soon as it happens well i i even heard you know this is i hear this

00:53:22.920 word allegedly okay so but i've heard from some sources behind the scenes that like it's like oh

00:53:29.080 well it's amicable he's just taking a new position at the day of the wire he's just no longer going

00:53:32.760 to be the ceo but but then i've heard from other sources offline that um at least for a hot minute

00:53:38.840 there he wasn't permitted inside the building and so we're at the 10-year mark 2015 to 2025

00:53:45.420 and uh by the time matt walsh and michael knolls leave which like we said earlier it seems to be

00:53:51.000 matter of if not when that will be the end of daily wire as we know it there are not people

00:53:56.700 streaming in by the millions do you have any daily to do his thing memberships left but this but the

00:54:02.980 whole um the avengers right uh the team is gonna is gonna break up and i and honestly this kind of

00:54:12.100 gets into part of our conversation but like it's um like a lot of people you know like i remember

00:54:17.500 coming out of 2020 now it's 2021 2022 and it's like you should join the crec you know or you

00:54:25.080 should join um this organization or this group or you know like let's make a collective here let's

00:54:30.120 do this there and um and and a lot of those i gave you know some serious consideration to a lot of

00:54:36.840 them i i did not consider at all but um but part of it was like i just had this this sense that i

00:54:44.200 couldn't shake like this pit my stomach like that i knew like it's not just it's not just 2020 was

00:54:50.520 the um the once and and final you know the once and for all test you know that that's going to

00:54:55.640 separate the wheat from the the chaff you know and this is the test and you know half of us passed

00:55:01.100 it and half of us failed you know and and but now we know who our real allies are that's not what's

00:55:06.680 going if you think that's what's going on i don't know where you've been it's been five years um

00:55:10.920 No, it's like every six months, the Lord gives us another test in his providence, another test,

00:55:15.260 another test. And people continue, like, like partnerships continue to break apart. People

00:55:20.600 continue to go separate ways and fall on separate sides of this issue or that issue. So it's like

00:55:25.580 2020 and COVID and woke wars one. And like, you've got, you're looking around, you've got a lot of

00:55:32.360 allies, you know, you got James Lindsay, for goodness sake. We've got Michael O'Fallon together.

00:55:37.100 Yeah, the old gang, you know, we're all together. And then, you know, Michael O'Fallon, James

00:55:43.460 Lindsay, you know, even Neil Shinvey, I mean, his pastor's woke, you know, and I can't really

00:55:48.680 square that peg with J.D. Greer, you know, but Neil Shinvey, he's definitely not woke, you know.

00:55:53.060 He's been doing the reading.

00:55:53.940 Even though he faithfully supports, you know, his woke pastor, you know, who literally almost

00:55:57.940 single-handedly smuggled wokeness into the SBC. But, you know, Neil Shinvey's not woke, you know,

00:56:02.820 he's he's um he's based you know and and you've got you know james lindsey he's based you know

00:56:08.040 and and that's that's 2020 you know that's 2000 you know 15 16 17 for some of the early guys and

00:56:14.640 then 18 19 20 that's woke wars one um but we're not there anymore then then it became uh it was

00:56:21.720 more than just um a meritocracy you know like may the best man win um the a lot of the backlash

00:56:27.740 that you saw against h1b for instance over the christmas holidays and and all that you know

00:56:31.940 piling on with vivek who is not america first um you know that was that was not woke wars one

00:56:38.840 that would have been enough vivek was a he was thinking in the woke wars one mindset he's like

00:56:44.080 look just may the best man win and you know what just it's not my fault you know but americans are 0.91

00:56:49.660 lazy they're not really that smart and all that we all know that the future einsteins you know 0.96

00:56:53.760 you know they they're all in india you know we need the genius of of the indian people if america 0.97

00:56:59.240 it's going to be successful and, you know, just beat them. If you want to beat them, if you want

00:57:03.640 a job, then you just, all I'm saying, my fellow Americans, hello, my fellow Americans, let me 0.92

00:57:09.640 finish worshiping, you know, three million Hindu gods, but hello, my fellow Americans, I'm just

00:57:13.720 like you. My name is Vivek and I'm not replacing you. All I'm saying is that if you want a job,

00:57:20.400 it's just going to be a fair meritocracy and you just need to compete with, you know, like 7.5

00:57:25.460 billion other people in every other country of the world and guess what that dog won't hunt

00:57:31.440 not in 2025 today that would no we're done with that well for guys you know with woke wars one

00:57:38.120 the guys who is like that's as far as they wanted to go just a raw meritocracy like for your james

00:57:43.280 lindsey's and those kinds of guys your neil shinby's um they're like well i don't understand

00:57:47.740 what's what's the problem with that like um you you mean america first means that you're going to

00:57:53.240 prefer heritage americans americans i thought america first just meant like like the sports

00:57:59.140 team like that america's a sports team and anybody from anywhere in the world right well we all know

00:58:04.020 that what it means to be an american is just to to be someone with american citizenship and so

00:58:09.320 therefore what is india other than 1.3 billion potential americans they just need to get here

00:58:14.980 they're just like there there actually are no other nations there's just america and potential

00:58:19.600 america you know and that's the whole world and uh and and the idea that we would say no no no no

00:58:25.240 um we don't have animus racial animus or national animus towards anybody else i don't hate anybody

00:58:31.340 else but i love my people more i have a preference and it's not inherently evil it's it's i believe

00:58:38.380 it's actually mandated it would be wrong not to i have a preference for my people my countrymen

00:58:42.680 and certainly my children and my grandchildren and i don't want my grandchildren to have to compete

00:58:49.320 for their inheritance with the rest of the world that their ancestors, their fathers didn't own it.

00:58:55.600 The founders were very clear. What are we doing all this for? For us and our posterity? They

00:59:00.800 weren't doing it for 1.3 billion potential Americans, aka India. And so that's where we 0.95

00:59:06.500 are now, is that the discourse is continuing to progress. It's continuing to develop. Now,

00:59:11.720 a lot of these guys with Woke Wars I, who actually were on our side, well, it turns out at the end of

00:59:17.380 the day they're just 1980s democrats you know like like they're no further to the right than

00:59:24.840 bill clinton you know like they're not actually conservative they're not paleo conservatives they

00:59:29.500 they hate luchanan they like they're and so so now as the discourse is moving forward and we're

00:59:34.740 starting to have these conversations about heritage america and what does it actually mean

00:59:38.160 you know we had what is a woman we need a documentary of what is an american what is an

00:59:42.480 american is it just anybody from anywhere who attains american citizenship um or does it actually

00:59:49.280 mean something does it does it speak to um does it speak to heritage does it speak to home does

00:59:56.900 it speak to um legacy and lineage and all all these different things and so a lot of guys they

01:00:03.460 weren't on board for that they they were they were your conservatives they're like we just want um

01:00:08.440 we don't like blm and and part of it was like let's just be honest part of it is money part of

01:00:14.100 it is like we don't like blm because it's kind of disrupting you know the gdp must go up right

01:00:19.240 part of the reason why they actually they're they're they're not globe they'll speak against

01:00:23.520 globalism in the sense that like they're not supportive of the you know the wbc the world

01:00:27.660 economic forum or they they don't want to you know they they don't aren't particularly fond of china 0.92

01:00:32.380 you know so everybody who you know who's to the right of them they think is a you know a chinese 0.55

01:00:36.900 you know spy or whatever um but but part of their incentive it's pretty clear is uh they they 0.96

01:00:43.740 actually they're not that concerned they still want cheap labor they want to be able to outsource

01:00:48.080 outside of the united states make widgets for you know a fraction you know pennies on the dollar

01:00:52.200 and have the gdp go up whereas we're like no um if if the stock market is going down which it

01:00:58.240 currently is and we have to suffer a little bit because we've been you know eating off the silver

01:01:03.380 spoon of globalism for decades and decades and decades, if things have to get momentarily worse

01:01:07.920 in the short run, so they can be better in the long run for our children, we'll actually pay

01:01:11.720 that cost. That mindset is completely foreign to an entire generation known as boomers. 0.77

01:01:18.040 What you're saying that we would temporarily suffer, my generation would, Joel, you're telling

01:01:22.520 me you would be content for you and your wife's generation to suffer so that your children's

01:01:27.240 generation could have it better than you? It's been the story since the beginning.

01:01:31.540 it's like well that's every generation of americans until the boomers you know and so so

01:01:36.420 anyway so the the point is i i you know it's like we'll join the crac or join this or join that

01:01:42.040 you know you're on the same side of covet you know we'll we'll see um you know like four years later

01:01:47.920 though i'm being called you know revoiced for nazis right that one didn't take long and so

01:01:52.600 here's here's the deal what i what i've realized is this this is just a general piece of counsel

01:01:57.260 do with it what you will. But you don't have to anathematize people. You don't have to hate

01:02:02.660 people to your left. You don't have to hate people to your right. But I would strongly urge

01:02:07.540 be slow when it comes to forming especially formal alliances. Be slow. Because this was not

01:02:17.300 a one-size-fits-all, once-and-for-all test that the Lord gave us in 2020. No, we've been off the

01:02:24.360 rails for decades and you don't get you don't get back on the rails if you've taken a detour for

01:02:31.300 70 years you don't fix that in seven months which means there are a ton of issues and i and i believe

01:02:38.580 there are still plenty ahead of us that we haven't even begun to talk about that'll be the

01:02:43.660 controversy of 2026 and the controversy of 2027 if you think we're done then then you're being naive

01:02:49.860 the cement hasn't dried and until the cement dries and my prediction and i could be wrong but

01:02:56.080 my prediction is it's going to be at least a decade which means we're at the halfway point

01:03:01.240 we're in year five i think we're looking at a decade i think we easily have five six more years

01:03:06.520 because we got way off the rails and and i think it's going to take at least a decade

01:03:12.460 to get to the issues and have the conversations and do the thinking and for the academics you

01:03:19.640 know like steven wolf to to write the the dissertations and the papers and amref to

01:03:24.160 publish the articles and all like and for these things to happen and everybody you know everybody's

01:03:29.340 at peace on the chessboard everybody has a role you've got steven wolf you know who's going to

01:03:33.100 write a 400 page book and then you've got uh ad robles and joel webin who are just going to go

01:03:37.880 hard in the paint on you know on a podcast and and the difference between ad robles and joel

01:03:41.740 webin is aside from him being the reasonable puerto rican who for the record i'm going to

01:03:46.440 say it publicly, I know I'll get dragged. But as king of Christian nationalism, I declare that

01:03:52.260 A.D. Robles gets to stay. Sovereign is he who decides he accepts some rights. I'm sorry, but 0.58

01:03:56.680 I'm making that edict right now. A.D. Robles gets to stay. But the difference, besides him being the

01:04:02.820 reasonable Puerto Rican and me not being, it's funny, at the 20-minute mark of Joel Webin's

01:04:08.980 podcast and A.D. Robles' podcast, it's like the meme where they're grasping hands, 20-minute mark,

01:04:13.740 and ad is saying i hope you found this video helpful that's right is saying all right let's

01:04:18.200 get started all right let's dive on that's that's a big difference but anyways but my point is

01:04:22.860 everybody's got a different part that they're playing right some people are a bishop and yes

01:04:26.460 the bishop that is what it's called on the chessboard even that's become a controversy

01:04:30.760 some are a rook some are a knight some are a pawn some are a queen some are a king

01:04:34.380 and so there's there's different pieces on the chessboard and not everybody's going to be doing

01:04:39.780 the same thing. But I think in God's providence, of course, he's standing above it all sovereignly.

01:04:45.280 And I don't think, in order to work together, I don't think that you have to institutionalize.

01:04:50.260 Not yet. We need, don't get me wrong, we need institutions. Society can't function without

01:04:55.400 institutions. Each individual person can't always go to Grok or WebMD and every single time their

01:05:02.180 kid is sick and try to all of a sudden learn overnight what it takes to be a medical doctor

01:05:09.580 because they can't trust any medical professional.

01:05:12.840 We need experts. 0.70

01:05:14.700 The problem is that all of our experts are corrupt.

01:05:16.940 They've all discredited themselves.

01:05:18.360 And so trust is at an all-time low.

01:05:20.440 But we do need medical institutions, media institutions.

01:05:24.580 We need the church institute, right?

01:05:27.380 And so I'm grateful for William Wolfe right now.

01:05:30.220 Today, pictures of him in the White House,

01:05:32.320 in the Oval Office,

01:05:33.160 praying with some other faith advisors.

01:05:34.900 Some of them, you know, not great,

01:05:36.880 but I'm glad William's there,

01:05:38.280 you know, praying for Donald Trump.

01:05:38.880 i can't believe the erlc didn't get the call but that's right so william is like look it can't just

01:05:43.180 be william i need some kind of institution so he worked really hard to build you know baptist

01:05:47.760 conservative leaders and um and you know to replace baptist leadership center for baptist

01:05:53.120 leadership thank you cbl center for baptist leadership to replace uh brent brent leatherwood

01:05:58.000 and the erlc that's teamed up with russell moore they're not conservative at all they are enemies

01:06:03.900 absolute opponents of of anything that that has to do with literally like put their reputation

01:06:10.860 online to kill a bill right that would stop the murder of children in louisiana to kill an

01:06:15.620 abolitionist they did that's right they also were brent brent leatherwood was integral in keeping the 0.56

01:06:20.440 manifesto from the transgender shooter under wraps which is a national story right so you and he's

01:06:26.660 like that can't get out because then people might make the connection that maybe uh hopping up a

01:06:31.280 teenager on hormones right might lead towards their body is not tuned to right so estrogen

01:06:37.340 versus testosterone right it's literally like the uh could have negative effects what was his name

01:06:42.080 i always forget the comedian he died recently just nor mcdonald it's literally doing the norm

01:06:47.040 mcdonald you know bit where he's like he's like you know that the thing that scares me the most

01:06:51.840 is that there might be you know an islamic terrorist attack that kills one or even two

01:06:56.280 million americans and could you imagine the anti-islamic sentiment that people might have

01:07:01.220 afterwards towards peaceful muslims i think he did it on like the view or something like that

01:07:05.240 right and he does it the way he does comedy with a serious face and they're like oh yeah that would

01:07:09.060 be terrible could you imagine how many people would think negatively of muslims and his point

01:07:13.760 you know he's being sarcastic but his point is um people are more concerned about that than what he

01:07:18.560 just said one to two million americans killed killed um and so but that's brent leatherwood

01:07:24.820 that is like he is literally the norm mcdonald joke he's like we can't get this manifesto out

01:07:30.000 there could you imagine um that you know uh christians might have a negative view of

01:07:34.540 transgenderism and and what he's not thinking is uh can you imagine that uh children were just

01:07:41.400 mowed down right with an assault weapon by a deranged person right who was out of their mind

01:07:48.060 and hopped up on chemicals so anyways let's show that graph actually this is cool because uh nate

01:07:53.360 this is actually graph three graph two uh daily wire and their work this is how you can kind of

01:07:59.460 see that things are changing so you had the big upswing and then daily wire 2018 2019 2020 really

01:08:05.580 pushed against it so each one of these metrics i know some of them look like they're increasing

01:08:09.620 and it's like oh is that support if you read carefully so the support for requiring individuals

01:08:15.380 to compete on the sports team that matches who they are male or female increased across republicans

01:08:20.940 and democrats this is 2022 to 2025 making it illegal to provide minors with care for gender

01:08:26.560 transition support for that increased across all categories 2022 to 2025 requiring to use public

01:08:33.480 bathrooms that match how they were born making it illegal for public school districts to teach

01:08:38.480 about gender identity support for that increase support for that increased support for protecting

01:08:43.180 them from discrimination jobs housing public spaces restaurants stores decreased 10 decrease

01:08:49.100 for democrats 10 percent less said i don't know that we need to protect them decrease 2022 to

01:08:57.900 2025 requiring health insurance companies to cover medical care for gender transitions

01:09:01.920 decreased on all counts every single one of these counts the decrease is as we would view it

01:09:06.980 positive and that was the fight but it was only a fight maybe for eight years that was one of the

01:09:13.040 tests but as you're saying there's more tests will it be america first or will it be america

01:09:18.460 the sports team so just to put some flesh on the bones of this was a real fight and we've actually

01:09:23.200 by god's grace we've won it i don't think tomorrow tomorrow people are not going to wake up right

01:09:28.260 99 of them be like you know what we are not doing enough like this battle has legitimately been won

01:09:33.640 and it was movies like what is a woman and it was matt walsh's hard stance against it that

01:09:39.380 contributed in part along with other things that legislators and other people that are influential

01:09:43.620 did but we won that fight but guys there's so many more fights to be had i heard i heard today

01:09:49.040 it was a really great comment someone said you know we may have won the battle on the question

01:09:54.000 of what is a woman but the question that's now being asked that the more uh neocons can't can't

01:10:01.040 handle is we're asking what's the role of why is it why is a woman yeah i think can you go to uh

01:10:06.520 our chat um somebody posted it and maybe you can look not not the chat the live chat but somebody

01:10:14.140 posted it in our uh signal chat one i one of many uh you know which one i'm talking about

01:10:19.680 but uh it's a picture it's like on one side is matt walsh saying what is a woman and then on

01:10:26.000 the other side is me and it looks very similar uh saying why is a woman exactly and just for the

01:10:33.580 record it's it's comical but i'm not saying why is a woman like why do you know like why do we

01:10:38.280 have to have women um but i'm saying that what is the telos yeah exactly like what what is the

01:10:43.740 purpose in the same way the question needs to be asked like what is the purpose of a man right um

01:10:48.440 but that but that is kind of where the discourse is we've moved from you know what is a woman

01:10:52.300 to okay why is a woman am i a racist what is a racist what is a racist yeah like that's the

01:10:58.460 next step of it what is an american yeah we've moved from what what was the founding of america

01:11:02.220 to what is an american you know like um so and that that you have to see this guys this is good

01:11:09.360 right like i i understand that like it's uncomfortable at times and there are some

01:11:14.340 guys who you know will be you know a mile to your right and you're like oh my gosh i can't believe

01:11:19.700 he said that and i definitely disagree with that and i think that's but the overall discourse and

01:11:24.860 we're not condoning any individual guy we're not saying that yeah this guy everything he says it's

01:11:29.160 wonderful we're so glad uh but we are saying is that the ball is moving and it is moving in the

01:11:35.140 right direction it's like why so like just so long as the overton window is moving to the right you're

01:11:39.220 just going to say that that's inherently uh virtuous and a good thing that christians should

01:11:43.200 be rejoicing in yes yes not not forever i'm not saying that it can never move too far right um

01:11:49.840 but we're not even close guys we we have to repeal the entire 19th century 20th century like

01:11:57.880 20th for sure you know but a good maybe half of the 19th yeah there we go you're right i'm thinking

01:12:05.160 1900s you're right 20th century but probably part of the 19th century as well um but like we're

01:12:10.880 talking about a century arguably a century and a half that where we're all this ideology

01:12:17.400 that set the stage for anti-racism and set the stage for globalism and set the stage for feminism

01:12:24.940 and set the stage for Zionism.

01:12:26.780 1904, there was three million men

01:12:28.080 that gathered in Madison Square Garden,

01:12:29.880 I think it was.

01:12:30.460 It was called the Men's Forward Movement.

01:12:32.020 And you read their concerns,

01:12:33.360 exact same as today. 1.00

01:12:34.680 Women leaving the home,

01:12:35.860 churches being feminized,

01:12:37.180 men not stepping up,

01:12:38.320 men not teaching their sons.

01:12:39.840 In 1904, three million of them

01:12:42.280 got together to rally and say,

01:12:44.000 we need to get men back in the churches.

01:12:45.300 We need to get men working.

01:12:46.680 We need women caring 1.00

01:12:47.600 and being keepers at home 1.00

01:12:48.540 like the Bible says.

01:12:49.640 This is not something

01:12:50.460 that happened five years ago.

01:12:52.400 Where did we go off the rails in 2015?

01:12:54.040 right my brother in christ yeah exactly so the the whole um everything's racist and and you know

01:13:00.440 gdp must go up and every nation is interchangeable globalism you know and not having borders but then

01:13:05.720 the feminism issue but then like this kind of gets into you know half of the 19th century um

01:13:10.580 zionism you know like like there's a lot of things and uh and that's if you think in one year

01:13:17.420 in the year of our Lord 2020, that we took, you know, arguably 150 years of misdirection, 0.96

01:13:25.980 getting off course and fixed it in one year, then you're just being silly. That's just silly. So 0.99

01:13:33.180 could you go too far? Sure. We are nowhere in danger of that. I'm not saying no individual

01:13:40.280 person and his, you know, what he's saying on X or what he says on his podcast, I'm not saying

01:13:45.960 no one has gone too far no one has said something that that you know that's to the right that i

01:13:50.940 would actually to my right that i would uh that i would disagree with but what i am saying is that

01:13:55.460 when you look at the the overall overton window it's it's moving and we're encouraged by that

01:14:01.700 but if you think man i think i think we might be you know but let's temper ourselves let's be a

01:14:08.140 little careful we might be overdoing it no we are not even close to overdoing it well that's why

01:14:13.860 and this is what happens with institutions is they they make their they plot their stake but

01:14:19.020 like daily wire just confirmed like it has right now up jordan peterson and dave reuben talking

01:14:23.820 about the pitfalls of gay parenting right so if we're going back not just well we took it too

01:14:28.300 far we started transitioning children right maybe we even we can't even transition adults

01:14:32.140 okay what ideology laid the foundation for transgenderism to rush to rest on top of and 0.75

01:14:38.380 it was the approval of gay marriage so now we've got to repeal that but how could daily wire do 0.74

01:14:42.680 that when tons of their host andrew clavin someone's mentioning this yep right fully approves 0.69

01:14:47.080 of his gay son his lifestyle daily wire can't do it they they've they've made their they've set the

01:14:53.280 line and they've published their content he'll carve out like kind of a nuanced position and say

01:14:58.660 well yes this isn't normative and you know every everybody would love to be grandparents and you

01:15:04.100 know so like yeah there's a sense in which you know i wish you know blah blah blah um and certainly

01:15:08.680 it wouldn't be good if it was everyone that'd be the end of the human race it's you know it's not

01:15:12.200 normative you know but um but but in isolated exceptions you know for some people who are

01:15:17.380 actually born this way to be true to themselves like my son spencer clavin he's a christian he

01:15:22.240 loves jesus and uh and and god made him this way and he's being true to himself and it took a lot

01:15:27.220 of courage for him in conservative spaces you know to be publicly gay and i support him and

01:15:31.500 it's like i mean these are all i'm not i'm not embellishing these are like this is his position

01:15:36.680 and i'm just saying like if that's with conservatives like these you know they're

01:15:43.560 conserving exactly that they are conserving the victories of the left and but that's all

01:15:49.700 conservatives have done forever is just the the left gets a new victory and then conservatives

01:15:55.080 come in you know five years later and secure that victory and say no no this is the right position

01:16:00.120 the thing that we were arguing with you about five years ago but the thing that you beat us at because

01:16:04.140 we always lose yeah like well let's just not go any further um that so that same kind of mentality

01:16:10.600 that the left has had for decades and decades that's how we have to think the left wasn't

01:16:16.340 thinking okay we don't want to go too far like no the left the left has just been pushing pushing

01:16:20.680 pushing pushing pushing without any restraint for decades and that's where we have to be now

01:16:25.740 as christians we need to do that with scripture we need to do that with integrity we need to do that

01:16:30.640 um with virtue but no like we're not even close we have to we have to get way back way way back

01:16:38.060 we're not trying to just get back to the the 90s there is there is a lesson though to learn from

01:16:42.200 the left and i'm 100% agreeing with what everything you just said but one of the reasons the left has

01:16:47.660 lost is they did go way off the rails too far to the left that's you know so i'm not saying we're

01:16:53.160 there yet right but there is something to just keep in the back of our minds that's true yeah

01:16:58.380 there's a sense in which 2020 the left overplayed its hand it tried to um it tried to push too fast

01:17:04.400 and people woke up the one that's a good point the one categorical difference though that i would

01:17:09.900 point out is that in our case as we're pushing to the right we're pushing back towards god's

01:17:15.820 established natural order right um so for the left part of the reason why they could only push

01:17:21.200 so hard so fast was because it required as we found out with us aid and all these it required

01:17:29.460 billions and billions of of dollars for indoctrination and and it required manipulation

01:17:36.300 and psyops with you know movie after movie after movie brainwashing the people to think this it

01:17:41.760 required taking capturing all the schools from kindergarten all the way through higher you know

01:17:45.920 education universities like it takes a lot of effort and you can only move so fast it takes a

01:17:52.460 lot of effort and it has to be calculated it can't be too fast and can't be too far

01:17:55.960 an inch at a time when you're trying when your end goal is to convince people that the sky isn't blue

01:18:02.440 and the grass isn't green and a boy's not a girl you know or a boy is a girl and a girl is a boy

01:18:08.780 And, you know, and the baby in a woman's womb is just a clump of sails that like that, that's, um, that is an endeavor where you can't go too fast, too far, because you're literally trying to convince people of make-believe.

01:18:23.540 And, and one of your greatest enemies that you're having to battle is nature, reality, and reason.

01:18:30.540 Um, so, so yeah, but for us, we're on the side of nature, reality, and reason, and most importantly, scripture, God.

01:18:37.500 and so we actually can push i think in many ways a lot faster a lot harder because we're actually

01:18:43.240 appealing to men's consciences and saying you know that this is true you know that this is true

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01:23:37.160 happening just in a few weeks april 3rd 4th and 5th all right so we alluded to it a little bit but

01:23:42.300 the key takeaway all right so jeremy boring's out and the daily wire just to even share a statistic

01:23:47.240 i pulled 12 a basic basically a list in order of 12 recent videos from ben shapiro and candace

01:23:55.060 owns so ben shapiro has about eight million youtube subscribers candace owens i want to say

01:23:58.900 she's up to three but she could be as low as one so i pulled a snippet to say how much attention

01:24:04.260 how much how many views are they getting obviously ben shapiro still with daily wire candace owens 0.58

01:24:08.400 left just a year ago the average number of views that she received on her video was 1.2 million

01:24:14.340 with a low of 460 000 so close to right response numbers not quite there um ben shapiro on the

01:24:21.980 other hand who i mean this is guys this is ben shapiro uh this is well known commentator for a

01:24:27.780 long time average views was like 331 with a low of 61 000 views on one video so we're not talking

01:24:35.860 like well it's been a busy month a lot of cool news that she's talking about she just edged him

01:24:40.580 out by like 10 000 someone just said philip schneider uh candace owens has four uh four

01:24:46.280 million okay so do you happen to look at do they have like podcast download numbers that's probably

01:24:50.560 not public unfortunately they're not public um which for a while ben shapiro was like the number

01:24:55.400 one number one downloaded podcast but uh but at least as far as youtube goes which is a big

01:24:59.520 platform and a good metric i mean these creators that have left are enjoying considerable right

01:25:04.920 success and it looks like by all accounts especially if what's being said internally

01:25:08.980 is true that the daily wire could possibly be going bankrupt that they've lost that brett

01:25:13.520 cooper was probably one of the last profitable shows that they had they were seeing the implosion

01:25:17.960 of it and uh in a short time frame what did someone say ben shapiro has 7.2 so candace owens

01:25:24.680 already has over half yeah and i'm sure she had some of those you know even when she was at the

01:25:29.880 daily wire but the point that wes is making is absolutely true in the sense that um that yeah

01:25:36.200 like uh any anybody thought like oh well if you leave the daily wire you're gonna suffer right

01:25:42.160 everybody who's left the daily wire has been rewarded yes and so what people are becoming

01:25:47.320 loyal to now we talked about a little bit before in many ways for better or for worse this is just

01:25:52.400 an observation how it is is there's becoming a loyalty to the personalities rather than the

01:25:57.960 organization right that in a time like ours with a lot of suppression and a lot of information

01:26:02.760 that's out there like you could spend i mean you could read the jfk files 80 000 pages it would

01:26:07.740 take you probably a couple years to get through all of them there's tons of information tons of

01:26:11.780 different things that you could listen to what people's loyalties are going to be brought to

01:26:15.280 especially as everything is shifting is they're going to latch on not to an organization like

01:26:19.460 well i just love everything that fox news puts out or oan or even daily wire but they're gonna

01:26:24.660 latch on to people and they're gonna say this person i don't watch all their stuff right joe

01:26:28.520 rogan we're talking about before the show i don't listen to joe rogan hardly at all except when he

01:26:32.560 has something interesting on so it sends people i don't agree with them on vaccines i don't agree

01:26:36.580 with them on israel i don't agree with them on this that or the other but at the end of the day 0.92

01:26:40.300 they're going to shoot me straight yeah they're going to be honest ring05 just said on apple

01:26:44.980 podcast ben uh shapiro's show is ranked number 28 and candace uh candace's show is now ranked 33

01:26:51.800 so she's creeping up on apple uh podcast as well but wes is absolutely right um what we're seeing

01:26:57.760 is uh not loyalty to institutions not loyalty to organizations because here's the deal like we all

01:27:03.100 know this instinctively if you've been alive in the last five if you're older than five years old

01:27:07.260 then you know you you've been through this you've lived through it and you're aware um there's no

01:27:11.720 loyalty to institutions because there was no loyalty of institutions to us they all betrayed

01:27:16.480 us right they all lied to us they all discredited themselves in real time on national television

01:27:21.880 anybody with with you know two cents um could could pick up on it and observe it we were lied

01:27:28.480 to about covid we were lied to about um blm we were lied to about uh russian ukraine we were

01:27:35.420 lied to about all these things ad nauseum and so so people are not loyal to institutions people

01:27:40.220 are loyal to people they're loyal to um the content creator the personality like tucker

01:27:46.400 that's right exactly it's like well if he loses uh fox news you know like no no no not tucker's

01:27:52.340 doing just fine yeah and uh and you know and and everybody having more fun doing it having a lot

01:27:57.700 more fun doing it getting to talk about what he wants to talk about far less censorship you know

01:28:02.020 far less control. And so people are following the individual, not the institution. And then

01:28:08.020 that begs the question, what is it? And you got into this, Wes, but just to put a fine point on

01:28:12.680 it, what is it about the individual that's most compelling right now in this climate

01:28:16.260 for the last five years, even before 2020, but especially starting with 2020, and that I think

01:28:22.160 will continue in this 10-year, I think it's going to be a 10-year cycle, at least a decade

01:28:26.440 of trying to to get the train back on the rails so i think we're we're barely at the halfway point

01:28:32.980 right now um so what what is the the primary currency that would uh why some individuals

01:28:39.200 will rise to the top and other individuals will fade into obscurity i think it's two things

01:28:44.660 authenticity and courage yeah authenticity right and courage and there are some guys who've been

01:28:51.760 rewarded for for precisely that courage they were courageous and they and they gained a following

01:28:57.260 but they did not continue being courageous and so they have lost some of that following so it's not

01:29:03.800 enough to just uh to have some claim to fame some you know some historic moment where you know well

01:29:09.240 i was courageous on this issue uh during this time um no the the people who will continue to build

01:29:16.800 an audience and have, you know, loyalty is going to be the people who continue to be courageous on

01:29:24.040 the next thing. Remember what I said, it's not just, it wasn't a once and for all test of COVID

01:29:29.980 and BLM in 2020, but the Lord has providentially given us test after test after test. They just

01:29:37.200 keep coming. They just keep coming, keep coming. And so what people are looking for is, okay,

01:29:42.500 will he be on the right side of this issue and the next issue and the next issue? Or will he

01:29:49.020 say, no, I've gone this far and I will go no further? Or will he just try to memory hole

01:29:54.120 and just avoid it altogether? There's some big issue that's happening right now. It's going on

01:29:59.100 and it's just crickets. And, you know, he's talking about something else that's safer,

01:30:03.240 that's more comfortable. No, the guys who are being rewarded today are being rewarded for the

01:30:08.940 same things uh for why guys were rewarded in 2020 that they were they were right there on the cusp

01:30:15.480 of the thing that everybody was talking about the thing that everybody was asking about

01:30:19.820 like like for us like you know people like to say well you're nazis and you're this and you're that

01:30:24.500 um but but we we have been now hear me there's not just reward you get both you get rewarded

01:30:31.820 and you get hammered all right so like you get a lot of flack but part of the reason why people

01:30:37.000 have trusted us is when everybody was talking about the Jews, we were willing to talk about

01:30:44.200 that instead of leaning away and like, oh, we just, you know, we like, I can't see it. I won't 0.99

01:30:48.400 go there. Like, instead of that, you know, we got Andrew Isker into the studio and not only did we

01:30:55.100 address it, we leaned in. We're like, this is a big conversation. People want to know what's true.

01:31:00.180 How should Christians think about this? And so instead of just, you know, ignoring it or 0.99

01:31:06.540 leaning back we leaned in and we're like we're going to talk about it even more we're going to

01:31:10.440 do a nine-part series we're going to clip that up those clips are still running and uh and we're

01:31:14.860 going to do a deep dive on this issue um and it's this it's the same phenomenon that you see with uh

01:31:21.040 joe rogan is a huge show but it's not like every episode he does goes viral right but the ian carroll

01:31:27.660 one that one did martyr made the martyr made daryl cooper one that one did daryl cooper on

01:31:33.080 tucker carlson that one did because people want to talk about so it's courage and authenticity

01:31:37.960 are the two primary forms of currency people are not following institutions or following

01:31:42.440 individuals which individuals the ones who have courage and authenticity and not courage of

01:31:47.920 yesteryear and not that they were authentic once upon a time that's why people love jordan peterson

01:31:53.340 he was authentic and courageous right canada you know and the adl was a part of this and saying

01:32:00.980 well this is hate speech that you know you won't use the people's preferred pronouns when you're

01:32:05.560 speaking to them and that you won't play along and you're sitting here saying the emperor has

01:32:09.340 no clothes and just in an authentic way and in a courageous way he sat there on national television

01:32:15.960 being interviewed and said no i will not play the game right and then five years later the same man

01:32:24.600 is now joining the adl to censor people with christ as king um no you you don't get um

01:32:33.400 there was a time where you could you could achieve institutional success and credibility

01:32:39.080 and then you could go on autopilot and you just had it right that time has ended um if jordan

01:32:44.900 peterson doesn't continue to be authentic and courageous then he will not continue to be

01:32:49.700 relevant um and and i think you've seen that to where i say that's what's already that's

01:32:54.480 what's already happened in 2020 jordan peterson was filling stadiums and he was a phenomenon

01:33:02.800 um and five years later candace owens with with one podcast can um can take down jordan peterson

01:33:13.120 it's incredible so as the oldest guy on the panel um

01:33:18.400 Um, the only, the only, I guess, devil's advocate or pushback that I would give to this is the

01:33:27.160 man who, because of conscience says, well, like this issue is too far either to the right

01:33:34.900 or just, I disagree with this issue, who then says, I'm still going to stand up to all the

01:33:40.720 people who are pushing this issue, even though it's the less popular issue on the right right

01:33:44.980 now is not necessarily cowardice that's right that that is still a courageous principled stand

01:33:51.220 so long as it is for the sake of conscience and biblical conviction um and in some ways um is

01:33:58.600 admirably courageous because he's standing up to people that had been on his side rather than

01:34:04.560 to the left or something like that so there is a sense where now i'm not saying that's the daily

01:34:10.160 wire but but there can be a virtue in saying i can't go that step further and i'm still going

01:34:17.100 to stick to my convictions like part of what we're saying here is the farther right the overton window

01:34:22.880 goes is inherently better um and people who like people who maybe can't go or or the so joel you

01:34:33.700 and i talked the other day about um change theory right and some people just cannot change as

01:34:39.880 quickly as the overton window is going to go even with years of the internet and the short attention

01:34:45.360 spans like there are just there are just change limitations and how much change people can handle

01:34:51.520 and it's not a good thing for a society to undergo as much change as we have in the last 70 years

01:34:57.640 and then snap back like that's a violent um thing it's it's not inherently a good thing to have that

01:35:03.480 much change and so there are going to be some guys who who just for things like change theory

01:35:07.900 can't change as quickly and say, you know what, I don't agree with this.

01:35:12.620 I think we need to be careful not to call them cowards necessarily

01:35:16.880 or to say they're not standing on conviction in principle.

01:35:19.840 We would have disagreements with them, for sure.

01:35:22.260 But it's not just only the courageous who will go to the right

01:35:27.360 as the Overton window goes right.

01:35:29.360 That's true.

01:35:30.340 I think some of it is also generational.

01:35:32.560 it's like one generation can only um can only go so far like like i mean even you know when you

01:35:40.740 think of israel you know wandering in the wilderness and it's you know it's the next

01:35:44.440 generation their children that actually enter into the promised land are able to go further

01:35:48.620 than than they did um like you know to to change every to to right every wrong and fix every way

01:35:56.780 that we've you know that we've derailed and decoupled from from what is true and good and

01:36:02.000 beautiful to do all that in a single generation is is probably unlikely and so there are there

01:36:09.140 are individuals older individuals that um were willing to be blacklisted and hated and uh stood

01:36:16.100 against the tide in their time in their place in their generation as it was happening and uh have 0.70

01:36:21.780 pushed and and now the overton is shifting back and and it's uh they you know they were the black 0.53

01:36:28.080 sheep and now it's shifted back to where like they're actually now within you know within

01:36:32.880 the overton window and viewed as reasonable and even a moderate in many ways and and that'll be

01:36:39.520 pretty much all they do that's their legacy um that's their legacy the only you know bit of

01:36:45.860 counsel that i would give you know my my two cents advice on that is um if it if it's like

01:36:53.100 well i'm at the end of my my legacy i'm at the end of my life and the end of my work and all

01:36:58.820 these kind of and i'm not gonna i'm not going to bite off you know a massive huge endeavor like i

01:37:04.240 have my body of work you know for 40 years i you know i publicly you know wrote and spoke and did

01:37:09.640 this and did that um i i understand that and i'm sympathetic towards that you know like we are all

01:37:16.320 product of um products of place and time in the providence of god you know like i'm i'm 38 years

01:37:22.300 old um i was born in a different generation in a different time and things are you know all this

01:37:27.460 change is happening towards you know the earlier you know that towards the sun is rising um uh in

01:37:34.240 my case whereas the sun is setting in the case of others and and so i'm i want to be understanding

01:37:39.900 and sympathetic towards that and the only bit of you know counsel that i would give to someone in

01:37:43.580 that situation is um you it may be uh permissible for you to say this this is my leg of the race

01:37:52.740 i'm passing the baton um and so i'm not going to keep running because i'm 75 years old or whatever

01:37:59.180 like but i stood when everyone was against us when we were in the middle of american dark ages when

01:38:04.680 wokeness was at its height you know and when globalism was at its height and feminism at its

01:38:09.720 and I stood there and I stood there faithfully and I pushed back on all of it. And I can't go

01:38:15.460 with you. Just like Moses couldn't go with Joshua. I can't go with you, but I'm going to pass to you

01:38:19.560 the baton. I think that that's permissible. I think that's understandable. But Moses would be

01:38:26.760 a lot less respectable if he said, I can't go with you. And then as Joshua said, I'll go for you. 0.93

01:38:33.040 And then as Joshua turned around to go, Moses picked up an AR and shot Joshua in the back.

01:38:39.720 that's what's hard to respect. You know, I think that's where people lose respect is it's one thing

01:38:46.660 to say, this is, this was my task and I did it faithfully and I'm going to stand here and I'm

01:38:52.500 going to continue because these things still aren't gone away. Yes, the Overton's when pushing,

01:38:56.700 you know, it's moving, but there's still plenty of enemies on the left to be, you know, that are

01:39:01.640 still, you know, everything that I've been talking about is still plenty relevant. I'm going to

01:39:05.840 continue to bang this drum that I've been banging for 40 years because it still needs to be hurt.

01:39:12.120 That, I think, is perfectly fine. But I think there's a way of doing that faithfully without

01:39:16.800 having to necessarily turn around and shoot everybody on the right. And that's not to your

01:39:23.940 right. And that's not to say, just to be clear, it's not to say that just simply being to the

01:39:32.540 right of someone makes every single one of your, you know, that simply because I'm to the right of

01:39:38.900 someone, everything I've ever tweeted, everything I've ever said, everything, you know, is just

01:39:43.320 inherently true. Right. And that I can do no wrong. No, like there are, you can, you can err on, on,

01:39:51.680 on the right. Not everybody just by, by virtue of being based, you know, means that everything

01:39:58.180 you're saying is correct or helpful or true. You can sin on both sides of the aisle. So then I

01:40:07.040 think it comes down to priority. It comes down to frequency. It comes down to emphasis of, okay,

01:40:14.360 so like there may be guys who are going further than you went and some of them are, they're not

01:40:20.660 just going further and you can't go there because you're a product of place and time and your

01:40:24.740 generation. But no, they're actually, they're going further, but they're saying specific things

01:40:30.160 that are objectively wrong. And there really is like, not just it offends my personal sensibilities,

01:40:36.560 but it's definitively sinful. Okay. If that be the case, then I think what people are going to

01:40:44.520 be looking at on the sidelines is your emphasis, your priority, how much attention, right? Because

01:40:50.640 if all of a sudden, in terms of, you know, the number of, you know, blogs that you write and

01:40:57.580 podcasts that you do and messages that you, you know, things that you say, if it's now starting

01:41:03.100 to feel like, okay, yeah, there are some guys to your right who have done some things that are

01:41:08.140 objectively wrong, but you're giving more focus and more attention to that, to attacking the guys

01:41:15.220 on the right than you are with the legacy that you built and all the things that you were attacking

01:41:20.280 on the left, that's where, again, you start to lose credibility. And it's like, I don't

01:41:25.720 understand. It's one thing to levy some good faith criticisms. I say, guys, be careful of this or

01:41:34.600 watch out for that. Or this one guy who's way off in left field, that's unhelpful. To do that

01:41:42.180 from time to time is perfectly permissible and appropriate. But if that becomes commonplace,

01:41:49.500 where like this is now well at that point um the sad thing is you're actually you you know at first

01:41:57.380 you were saying this is my legacy and this is this is where i stop and pass the baton well now

01:42:02.120 you're actually because you're not dead yet you're still talking and you're still writing and you're

01:42:06.480 still you know communicating you're actually writing now a new legacy and your new legacy is

01:42:12.280 will will sadly if you if you're not careful that will be the new legacy that you're remembered by

01:42:19.040 and and instead of fighting the left your new legacy will be um will be a legacy of fighting

01:42:25.180 millennials and gen z and everybody younger than you well look at matt walsh and michael knowles

01:42:29.860 who are not as far to the right as us but i've never seen once them decide to fire up the old

01:42:34.920 computer and say time to go on a screed and sign a crisis report right and i'm sure they see it

01:42:40.800 and they're like oh yeah they wouldn't be like they have their disagreements they take a blind

01:42:44.420 eye and they go at least for now that is such a good point so your tucker carlson's or even you

01:42:49.880 know matt walsh or michael knolls are like it's not like they're um they don't see it and it's

01:42:54.800 not like they would never say anything i've seen matt walsh enter the fray a couple times and say

01:42:58.660 whoa there you know like whoa that's uh that's that's a little bit ridiculous i've seen that

01:43:05.280 but it's not um it's not an obsession right it's not every podcast it's not every blog it's not

01:43:11.560 every tweet and it's not because they're blind it's not because they're not aware michael knowles

01:43:16.340 i have no doubt is perfectly aware that there are guys to his right um that are taking things in a

01:43:22.800 direction that he he's like yeah i'm not with you um but but they have continued to keep their

01:43:29.580 emphasis of no we want to defeat the the the left woke mind virus that's our focus like even like

01:43:38.000 somebody like elon musk who's like by any objective metric the dude's not a conservative

01:43:43.280 he literally just found out in 2022 that democrats weren't the party of kindness and

01:43:48.480 compassion by his own admission he literally tweeted that he said i it's 2022 and he's just

01:43:53.500 now realizing that democrats aren't kind and compassionate so like the the dude is not a

01:43:57.940 conservative by any by any stretch of the imagination but but even he realized he had

01:44:03.220 his red pill moment you know in 2022 and he was like yeah the woke leftist mind virus must be

01:44:08.760 destroyed or all of humanity is going going to end and so all of a sudden at great cost

01:44:15.220 to his share price at great cost to his company at great cost to his image and all those kinds

01:44:20.800 of things i mean like leftists are literally setting uh tesla factories on fire as we speak

01:44:25.960 um so like at great personal cost uh he was like but i've got to do something about this because

01:44:32.380 leftism is a virus and it's going to destroy humanity they're like i will have no one to 0.98

01:44:38.740 sell cars to if if if uh the birth rate continues to decline and you know because everybody's a gay 0.99

01:44:44.760 furry and nobody has kids you know like this has to stop so it's worth me losing half of my share 0.99

01:44:50.040 price it's worth even my factories being set on fire it's worth all this uh because we have a 0.88

01:44:55.820 a legitimate crisis on our hands so my point is the dude's not even that conservative he red

01:45:02.900 pilled 15 minutes ago um he was willing at great cost to himself to attack the left and he is

01:45:11.180 perfectly that he owns x guys he is aware of the anons he's he's aware of all the anonymous time

01:45:18.360 on there he's aware of all the anonymous accounts you know that um that are you know everybody's

01:45:24.740 gotta go back clarence thomas has to go back you know like like clarence like go back where you

01:45:30.240 know like he's he's aware of the guys who are a little a little bit further you know and um and

01:45:36.360 that he would vehemently disagree with but you know what he's not doing he hasn't lost focus

01:45:41.080 he knows he's not firing them either he's saying he's not hire them he's rehiring them he won't

01:45:46.420 allow you know some young guy who goes too far for his entire life to be ruined he's elon musk

01:45:51.520 is rehiring that guy uh what he's not doing is saying well uh we admit that uh no injustice has

01:45:58.160 been done if he has to drive a fedex truck the rest of his life you know like um notice someone

01:46:02.900 asked about netter like that's netter in action no enemies to the right i love netter personally

01:46:07.940 and that's it in action that's the priority yep what's the energy what's so he recognizes yes

01:46:13.140 there is uh there are guys that elon musk would disagree with that he does not want to win to his

01:46:18.960 right and who are saying things that are unsavory things that he believes are objectively wrong

01:46:24.280 but here's the deal he understands power this is what some guys just they don't understand

01:46:30.840 he understands power he understands that um uh groy groyper 272 account with 14 followers on x

01:46:40.600 is not our primary concern right but the left having successfully taken over every meaningful

01:46:48.860 institution and millions not just millions but billions of dollars through us aid funding going

01:46:55.760 to teach pakistani children about transgender rights he understands whoa that is where i'm

01:47:03.600 going to to set my sights i'm going so if i ever give a a good faith criticism or even a rebuke 0.79

01:47:10.600 it can be a rebuke i i'm rebuking someone to my right i think that's objectively sinful for every

01:47:15.980 one of those he's going to give a thousand times his firepower to the actual enemy right the the 0.98

01:47:24.680 gay race communists that are are destroying the world and uh but if you don't do that so so michael 0.97

01:47:34.440 i say all that to say michael is absolutely right it is appropriate for some guys to say i'm sorry 0.98

01:47:39.180 that's not the call that god has given me not everybody has to do everything you can be who

01:47:45.160 God's called you to be. And not everybody is going to be called to cross the Jordan River and to go

01:47:51.320 into, it's okay to say, I fought the good fight. I was faithful and defended the hills that the

01:48:00.120 Lord and his providence gave to my generation in my time. I set the stage for the next generation

01:48:07.800 that's taking it now. That is perfectly permissible. And if that's who you are, 0.76

01:48:12.040 any young guy within the sound of my voice right now should not be disparaging that older man.

01:48:19.000 You shouldn't. But in the same breath, if that older man spends the last 10 years of his life

01:48:26.960 and changes the turret and shifts it over to all the young men to the right of him and sprays 10

01:48:35.700 bullets to the right in this direction for every one bullet he does and to his left where the actual

01:48:43.540 enemy in institutional power is not saying there aren't people wrong to your right but i'm saying

01:48:49.600 there are people who are really wrong to your left and have billions of dollars behind them

01:48:54.180 and if you take the last 10 years of your life no matter how much good you did and you really did do

01:48:59.860 it and and but then now you're you're it's your priority it's your emphasis and it's a 10 to one

01:49:05.920 ratio of of criticisms to the right as it is to the left then you are literally undoing your legacy

01:49:13.400 and it's a sad thing to behold so take take a lesson out of elon musk god forbid out of all

01:49:20.440 people take a lesson out of his book take a lesson out of jd vance well even trump yeah

01:49:25.240 all these guys are aware they're aware jd vance is online the dude is online yeah he is seriously

01:49:33.160 like he is he is he is watching and reading um the the articles coming out of amrath he is watching

01:49:42.340 and seeing the groipers and the anon accounts you know and all like he's aware it's not that these

01:49:47.500 guys are not aware and you just happen to be aware and so so that's why you're you're dealing 0.87

01:49:51.940 with it no he's aware but he understands what it takes to win he understands that the threat of gay 0.73

01:49:58.500 race communism with billions of dollars supporting it that has had a a stranglehold on america for 0.87

01:50:06.640 the last 70 years that that that thing is still not dead that battle is still not over and that

01:50:13.800 is the formidable threat and um and what we're seeing uh on the right is is um it pales in

01:50:22.100 comparison it does yep any further thoughts um maybe a couple comments you want to deal with

01:50:29.100 the chat okay let's go to the chat we'll try to take some questions super chat wes go ahead

01:50:33.280 all right uh johnny johnson johnsonston johnsonston he said ten dollars thanks johnny really

01:50:40.400 appreciate it what would be too far right you can't be too true or too ordered right do we just

01:50:44.460 want a little bit of chaos lies and revolution i'll take this because i i started that what i'm

01:50:49.080 thinking of is um the guy who red pills on patriarchy and then goes home and starts saying

01:50:55.000 to his wife like there's going to be you know dinner promptly at five o'clock p.m at like

01:51:02.180 like there can be a takes up corporal punishment of corporal punishment of wives things like that

01:51:06.740 there are literally some guys who talk about yes and historically that has been practiced but again

01:51:10.600 the ods on the red pills comes in and just says we're gonna or do this or some some um some

01:51:17.800 movements to the right of localism really diminish uh the need for a national government or an army

01:51:24.100 or uh can bend in towards anarchy the reason i said too far to the right is because right and

01:51:29.640 left is is a political uh arrangement uh more than more than even a social arrangement and so

01:51:35.700 some of the pushes that I hear towards localism and and focusing on your state and your city I

01:51:42.800 think are good but I think in the world that we live in we have to be honest about the fact that

01:51:47.020 there are global issues that we need some sort of representative body even if the U.S. were to break

01:51:51.760 up into multiple different countries or nations there still has to be some sort of outward focus

01:51:56.960 So even though I am all in favor of a great deal of non-interventionism, it's a little bit too head in the sand to say, well, we're just going to close off our eyes to what's out there entirely because we're going to prefer our own nation and our own people.

01:52:13.980 Yeah, well, but that means you have to see what's coming.

01:52:16.220 You have to see the enemies over the horizon.

01:52:17.840 So I do see, when I say a little bit too far to the right, like some of the things that we're talking about can, in those senses, can go too far, I guess is what I would say.

01:52:30.140 Good point.

01:52:30.840 I was just going to say, too, you can have a good thing like rule of law, for instance.

01:52:34.620 But in England, it was called the rule of blood for a long time.

01:52:37.760 And it authorized the death penalty for up to pickpocketing.

01:52:40.380 They had a huge problem with pickpocketing and theft.

01:52:42.880 And I get that.

01:52:44.120 And maybe even in that time, I'm not going to pretend to look back and be like they should have.

01:52:48.280 But if here today someone came into power and they said, we need rule of law.

01:52:51.580 And I'm not just talking like enforcement.

01:52:54.260 I'm talking death penalty for minor offenses that the Bible doesn't do.

01:52:58.580 That would be a good thing, rule of law, but taken to an authoritarian extreme level that we would reject.

01:53:05.660 Nate, go to the main chat real quick.

01:53:07.300 There's a comment that I want to respond to down at the bottom from Patrick.

01:53:10.620 There it is.

01:53:11.760 This is Patrick C.

01:53:14.120 Uh, he's, uh, arguing in the chat with some of the guys, um, saying that, um, I'm, you know,

01:53:21.320 I've gone too far. So yeah. Um, yep. He's a good guy. Yep. Uh, I've met him personally and, uh,

01:53:27.360 he loves the Lord and he just, he's like, I just don't understand, you know, some of the things

01:53:32.080 that Joel has said over the last year or two. Uh, so he said, sir, the man, Mr. Webin has literally

01:53:38.060 called Jews Parasites and said that he wouldn't go to a black doctor and he obsesses over Anglo-Saxon 0.95

01:53:45.360 Christianity. So, there's three charges. I'll respond to them briefly in terms of the first, 0.96

01:53:50.680 Jews Parasites. What he's referring to is a comment that I fleshed out and it was taken

01:53:56.400 out of context, of course, and all of my opponents had a field day. But what I was talking about

01:54:02.140 is the ideology of judaism um i was talking i was comparing it to islam because people were

01:54:08.560 basically you know one of the the conversations that continues to happen is like okay well you

01:54:12.760 know some guys are getting j-pilled you know on israel and stuff like that you got ian carol on

01:54:16.720 joe rogan you know and uh martyr maid you know on tucker carlson these things are happening and so

01:54:21.720 a bunch of people are talking about this candace owens is doing content on israel all these kinds

01:54:25.580 of things. But, you know, Islam is a way bigger problem. And so, you know, so I was addressing 0.98

01:54:33.640 that sentiment, that concept. Islam has been, I said this even just in our Monday episode,

01:54:40.420 Islam, anybody who's saying, you know, Islam's not really a problem, it's just the Jews. Well, 0.98

01:54:44.380 then you've, you know, you've lost the thread and you're not familiar with church history or just

01:54:49.420 human history for that matter. Islam has been a formidable enemy of the church for centuries and

01:54:54.300 centuries and centuries. And right now, even in Syria, you have Muslims who are killing Syrian 0.99

01:55:01.180 Christians. You have all the crusades, all the bloodshed. So Islam, yeah, there is no scenario 0.99

01:55:09.520 where Christians should be partnering with Muslims and saying, you know what, we have a common enemy 1.00

01:55:17.060 and it's a bigger threat than either of us. No, Islam is a massive threat. The reason why I use 1.00

01:55:22.940 the word parasitic, I believe is the way that I phrased it, is what I was saying is that Islam 1.00

01:55:28.720 is an overt enemy. It's an enemy that is a physical, immediate threat. It's an obvious 1.00

01:55:37.660 threat, a physical threat. It uses the sword. It uses violence, seeks to subdue, whether it's war

01:55:45.300 with Iran. That's the kind of threat that it is. And Islam, in the terms of the threat that it 0.96

01:55:53.640 poses, in terms of its strategy, it's overt. It's trying to beat other nations in war, 1.00

01:56:02.260 in dominance, and to beat the world ultimately into submission. That's what Islam is. It's about 1.00

01:56:08.860 submission, all the world submitting to Islam. Whereas Judaism, as an ideology and as a religion, 1.00

01:56:16.760 Judaism, the threat, I believe, is Islam is overt. Judaism, I believe, is subvert. It's more 0.99

01:56:22.700 subversive in its tactics that what Judaism, I think, has done as an ideology in many ways 0.77

01:56:29.960 has been uh to to cling on to um whether it be nations or peoples or or institutions they had 0.88

01:56:41.560 no nation exactly most of their history exactly because they were less powerful right so you think 0.97

01:56:47.760 of like i'll probably get in trouble for this i don't mean it in a bad way but like it's a stupid

01:56:53.180 analogy but voldemort right when he loses his physical form you know and he has to like and

01:56:58.240 he's slinking away in the shadows and he has to take over somebody else because he doesn't have

01:57:05.440 enough strength to be independent on his own, to stand on his own two feet. Historically,

01:57:12.740 that has been a lot of what Judaism has had to do. They've had to strike deals with Christians 0.99

01:57:19.300 in order to protect them from Muslims. That's a lot of what it is. That's what's happening right 1.00

01:57:25.400 now. That's literally what's been happening for decades is, you know, since 1948, with the modern

01:57:31.780 Jewish state of Israel, it's smack dab in the middle. It's an island in the middle of a bunch 0.97

01:57:37.640 of Muslim countries in the Middle East. And so, there's been a constant plea for help,

01:57:44.080 which is understandable. I'm not like everybody wants, you know, self-preservation. Nobody wants

01:57:48.800 to be wiped off the face of the map and people want to survive. That's natural to

01:57:54.840 all peoples. And so, but it's Christian nations, it's European, you know, traditionally,

01:58:00.860 historically Christian nations, the West, that has in many ways sustained the modern, you know,

01:58:08.480 modern Jewish state of Israel and Judaism as an ideology. Judaism attached itself to Christianity

01:58:18.240 in this Judeo-Christian oxymoron. Judeo-Christian is like jumbo shrimp. It doesn't make sense. 0.93

01:58:27.420 There's nothing, I'll take the Christian, but hold the Judea. Yes and amen. No, we don't need, 0.93

01:58:35.640 Christians do not need Judaism. Israel is not our greatest ally. That has been a one-way, 1.00

01:58:42.780 predominantly one-way relationship for decades. It is not a mutually beneficial relationship.

01:58:51.000 And so, that was my point in saying parasitic, that Judaism, I believe that the point that I 0.97

01:58:57.000 was making is that Islam, I think it's wrong. If you're a Muslim and you do not repent and believe 1.00

01:59:03.640 the gospel and trust in the Lord Jesus Christ and in him alone, the exclusivity of Jesus Christ 0.99

01:59:08.800 as the God-man, that Christ is king and Christ is divine, he is God, the only begotten son of God,

01:59:15.120 then you will spend eternity in hell. Islam will send you to hell. It is a false religion, 1.00

01:59:21.680 and it is a religion that is not a coincidence. I'm not saying every Muslim is violent, 0.98

01:59:26.060 but it is not a coincidence, statistically, the amount of violence that that ideology and religion 1.00

01:59:31.840 produces. It is natural to the tenets of Islam, but it's overt. And here's my point. As bad as 0.65

01:59:39.920 it is, it'll send you to hell. It's a false religion, all those things. There's violence 1.00

01:59:43.180 that's in the equation, all these different things. But Islam is sustainable. That's the 0.76

01:59:51.160 point that I was trying to make in what Patrick is picking up, and it went viral, and I was cut

01:59:55.220 out. Islam is sustainable. This is what I mean by that. It agrees with the tenets of God's natural

02:00:01.200 order it hates christ and therefore in the eternal sense it is not sustainable it's damnable 1.00

02:00:06.960 but in the temporal earthly sense islam believes that boys are boys and girls are girls 0.98

02:00:12.400 islam you know who's having babies it's not jews and it's not christians to be fair 0.59

02:00:18.100 not not in these modern times sadly um it's muslims muslims that the tenets of islam 1.00

02:00:27.420 are false but they accord with nature they accord with nature so eternally it's going to damn you 1.00

02:00:34.560 to hell but but temporally in the earthly sense um muslims have hierarchy uh patriarchy uh male 0.99

02:00:43.800 headship now of course of course there are abuses again i'm not a muslim i'm not a fan of islam 0.98

02:00:49.060 um you know so so do they take it too far in the way that they treat women um there's an example

02:00:55.320 of a two right wing view with that framework what i said there's an example of a two right

02:00:59.480 yeah exactly framework yeah like like every woman will be veiled that you would say is too far right

02:01:03.860 wing that you would disagree with yes islam there we go islam and to be fair they're not even it 0.94

02:01:09.040 that's why left right is not helpful there's a way to frame right that isn't islam is not right

02:01:14.180 right and there's a way to frame that it is so right if you frame that it is that's how you

02:01:18.100 could say it right so so there are abuses you can be too patriarchal where you're literally beating

02:01:23.640 women. And I think that that is reprehensible. I think that that is immoral, that that is wrong.

02:01:29.200 But my point is, they are not boss babe feminists. And not being boss babe feminist and understanding 0.55

02:01:37.280 male headship, understanding heterosexual relationships, not all, they have polygamy

02:01:44.960 in some cases, but many monogamous heterosexual relationships where the man is the head of the

02:01:49.940 home and the wife is his helpmate and they view children as not a burden but a blessing and are

02:01:56.520 seeking to have families with five six seven eight ten children right um that ideology that

02:02:04.440 foundational framework and way of thinking is sustainable meaning it's a this was the whole

02:02:10.280 point i said there are hosts and there's only a few of them there are host ideologies or host

02:02:17.140 communities, religions, nations, peoples, and there are parasitical ones. A parasite, 0.94

02:02:26.720 what makes something a parasite is that it's not a host. It cannot live independently on its own.

02:02:32.380 It is not viable in and of itself. It must latch on to something else that is a host,

02:02:39.580 that is sustainable, in order for its vitality, its existence. And so my point is, and I'm not

02:02:45.800 saying just for the record that judaism is the only parasitical example that could be given 0.86

02:02:50.020 wokeness is parasitical wokeness only uh only was able to achieve the optic the veneer of viability

02:02:58.100 because it was attached itself to to the neck of chrysidom it is only because of the foundation

02:03:05.420 the the host of christian western tradition that wokeness seemed to be viable and and it wasn't

02:03:13.620 viable very long. And so that was my point is I think that there are only a few host ideologies.

02:03:19.760 I'll give you three of them. Christianity. Christianity can live independently on its own.

02:03:25.560 And Christianity is the only one that can give life temporally and life eternally. It's the only 0.93

02:03:31.020 truth. The only salvation is found in Christ and Christ alone. Christ is king. But Islam,

02:03:37.840 temporally not eternally but temporally because it agrees with god's natural order

02:03:43.260 in the temporal earthly sense islam can live with some type some degree of of of prosperity

02:03:53.320 and vitality for a thousand years two thousand years it has and it has without being dependent 0.99

02:04:01.020 on the west without we need billions of dollars from america right no like you can have an islamic 0.53

02:04:07.480 nation that uh that that is has vitality and sustainability for a thousand years without 1.00

02:04:13.560 having to latch on to a christian nation they're all going to hell if they don't repent of their

02:04:20.780 sins and believe in jesus but in the earthly temporal way so christianity is an example of 0.67

02:04:25.780 a host ideology religion and civilizations uh islam and here's another one might surprise you

02:04:33.620 paganism i would classify paganism also as a host religion for thousands of years paganism 0.75

02:04:42.260 reigned supreme paganism also like islam and in some ways worse i would argue but was violent 0.95

02:04:51.220 um would r-a-p-e and pillage other nations vikings and norse worshiping norse gods and 0.95

02:04:58.860 you know and the pantheon of you know um all these different things um it was not monotheistic 0.82

02:05:06.080 um but but paganism still held to the tenets of um husband wife male female children good

02:05:17.380 um uh so for crops reap a harvest like just these natural it lived according early germanic tribes

02:05:25.680 had like uh you read like the romans that took them over there like the women were committed

02:05:29.260 they there was like adultery was non-existent children raised to be strong and hardy like

02:05:34.920 pagans totally not christian but uh sustainable sustainable so those are three like obviously

02:05:41.760 this is a thought experiment that you could it's not exhaustive maybe there are more um i'm sure

02:05:45.820 there are, but Christianity, Islam, and paganism. When I think of long-lasting enemies of the

02:05:52.600 church, I think of paganism and Islam, because they're actually host ideologies that can live

02:05:59.700 on their own. Wokeness, I would say liberalism, liberalism only works on the back of Christodom.

02:06:06.780 Wokeness only works, and wokeness, let's be honest, it's really a subcategory. It's just the

02:06:11.500 height, the pinnacle of liberalism. That's what it is. It only works with a host. It's parasitic.

02:06:17.120 I would say the same thing about wokeness, same thing about liberalism. I literally believe

02:06:21.260 the 20th century post-war liberalism is parasitic. It only appears to work temporarily

02:06:27.560 when it's sitting on the mountain of the inheritance that has been accrued by Christendom.

02:06:33.420 I think communism also. And communism would be another example, and Judaism. I really believe 0.89

02:06:38.720 that Judaism is a parasitic ideology that has only fared as well as it has by ultimately 1.00

02:06:48.760 creeping in and making alliances and benefiting off of predominantly Christian nations. That does 0.99

02:06:57.740 not mean that every Jewish person is a parasite. That does not mean that every, and it certainly 0.98

02:07:05.040 doesn't mean that this inherently that I have this universal animus. I don't. I don't. I love

02:07:13.620 Jews and I wish them all a pleasant conversion to Christianity. I want to see them repent of 1.00

02:07:20.200 their sin. I want to see them saved. I want to see them love the Lord Jesus Christ. And I also

02:07:28.580 want to see them begin to employ Christian principles that agree with God's natural order

02:07:34.860 so that they can be sustainable on their own

02:07:37.200 and where America doesn't constantly have to be propping them up.

02:07:43.280 And I don't want to be sending billions and billions of dollars

02:07:45.740 to any foreign country, not just Israel, but any foreign country.

02:07:49.260 I want to be America first. 0.76

02:07:50.720 So that was the first one.

02:07:51.600 The second one is, he said that Joel wouldn't go to a black doctor.

02:07:55.300 I was talking about the tragedy of DEI

02:07:59.560 and what it's done in the mind of every reasonable thinking person.

02:08:03.280 Ben Carson. I would go and see Ben Carson. So I'm not saying that a black person can't actually be

02:08:11.080 a doctor. What I'm saying is that because of DEI practices, because of wokeness, now whenever there 0.99

02:08:18.020 is a black doctor, if I know him, right? If this is a man who's, he's a black man, he's a member 0.99

02:08:22.640 in my church. I know where he went to medical school. I have a friendship with him. I know

02:08:27.480 that he's highly competent. He's highly skilled. Then sure, that's different. What I'm saying is

02:08:32.880 if I have a choice between a white doctor and a black doctor, and I don't know either of them 0.60

02:08:37.060 from Adam, I don't know either of them. I just have to trust on its face, their credentials. 0.87

02:08:43.560 Then because of what, and this is a tragedy, I wish this wasn't the case, but because of what

02:08:47.800 DEI has done is I know, and it's like, oh, so you're saying they made, that's not true.

02:08:54.380 You know, everybody has to pass a certain level of proficiency when it comes to, you know,

02:08:58.400 the medical field. No, no, we have the receipts of schools that allowed for lower test scores,

02:09:06.920 lower metrics, if you were black than if you were white, and if you were Asian, for that matter. 0.94

02:09:12.820 I would, just for the record, I'd pick the Asian doctor over the black doctor in the year of our 0.88

02:09:18.040 law 2025. Maybe it won't always be this way. And it certainly wasn't always this way in the past. 0.99

02:09:23.100 But it is today. This is what godless, woke ideology does. It has consequences. And I'm

02:09:28.920 sorry for those consequences, because I have no doubt that there are probably several black doctors

02:09:33.760 who are competent, who worked hard, who are more than qualified for their vocation. And hear this

02:09:39.060 from me. I am sorry for you that wokeness and DEI has now cast a general cloud of doubt

02:09:48.900 in the mind of many Americans, not just me, I said it out loud, but I represent many Americans

02:09:55.680 who are thinking with common sense and saying, yeah, like if I get on an airplane,

02:10:02.020 I prefer for the pilots to be two colors you want to see. I got this from Virgil Walker,

02:10:07.680 who's black, for the record, it shouldn't matter, but because of wokeness, you know, like, so there's

02:10:12.840 the credential, Virgil Walker's black. And he said this, he said, my two favorite colors when I'm

02:10:17.260 getting on an airplane and I look in the cockpit is white and gray. I want to see that it's an old

02:10:25.260 white man. Gray hair, white skin, white and gray. Virgil Walker said that, but he's allowed to say 0.80

02:10:33.180 that because he's black. Well, I'm going to say it too because it's true. Votie said that one of 1.00

02:10:39.020 the reasons he went and did his PhD at Oxford was because he did not want to be saddled with,

02:10:45.480 well, you only got your PhD in America 0.62

02:10:47.760 because you were black and were let in more easily. 0.95

02:10:50.520 Amen. 0.69

02:10:51.160 And I think that was probably the right decision.

02:10:53.840 And Vody has done an admirable job 0.52

02:10:56.280 of speaking out against wokeness and DEI

02:10:58.600 and all these kinds of things.

02:10:59.480 And so is Virgil Walker for that matter.

02:11:01.400 And so that was the point when I said,

02:11:03.520 I was talking about, we moved to Texas.

02:11:05.320 I didn't have my old doctor.

02:11:06.800 I needed to find a new doctor.

02:11:08.560 We didn't know anybody here.

02:11:10.060 We were fresh in this area.

02:11:13.280 I grew up in Texas, but not in this area.

02:11:14.820 and so we're in a new area um and i everybody's a stranger and so i don't know any of these guys

02:11:20.680 from adam and my wife showed me you know here here's this is who our insurance you know who

02:11:26.520 will take our insurance this is who's available to us here are your choices um do you want this guy

02:11:31.580 this guy this guy or this guy and uh i said well yeah i i think i'm gonna go with uh with this

02:11:37.880 white guy. Because he could be terrible. I don't know. But I'm talking about statistically speaking, 0.97

02:11:45.740 the black doctor could be fantastic. But this is what I know. Statistically speaking, 1.00

02:11:50.280 there's far less likelihood that that white guy had lower standards for his test scores 0.73

02:11:56.040 than the black guy. So that was not to say that a black man can't be a doctor. 0.96

02:12:00.880 it was to say that currently in our current uh landscape because of dei uh if anybody was able to

02:12:08.120 to slip through then it would have been the black guy more likely than the white guy and the last

02:12:14.320 thing i'll say on it is this it's like well because some people say well i still don't believe that

02:12:18.980 you know there were lower standards for test scores or this or that or you know anything else

02:12:22.180 i think that's malarkey you know maybe in some fields di might but not in the medical field in

02:12:26.740 the medical field, everybody had to be proficient. Okay, well, here would be my final point. Okay,

02:12:31.980 so then let's say there's a minimum bar must be this tall to ride the ride. And that the medical

02:12:36.660 establishment is just absolutely credible, right? I mean, they didn't lie to us about COVID, you

02:12:41.200 know, they've been just forthright, and above reproach, you know, every step of the way. And

02:12:46.560 we can trust that, you know, that they didn't adhere to DI standards and this, that and the

02:12:51.120 other. Okay, fine. Even if that's the case, then that means that all their doctors, and I don't

02:12:57.460 believe it is the case, but even if that was the case, that would mean every single doctor

02:13:00.620 has met a minimum standard. But then beyond that minimum standard, we can agree, I think we should

02:13:09.800 be able to agree, that just because an organization or a certain vocation, a field has a minimum

02:13:15.640 standard, doesn't mean that there aren't still disparities within it, right? So like you got to

02:13:20.380 be at least this good to fly a plane? Does that mean that all pilots are exactly equal in their

02:13:27.000 ability to fly a plane? Or are there some that are exceptional, some that are still better than

02:13:31.960 others? And if you get to choose, and last time I checked, it's still America. I'm allowed to choose

02:13:37.540 who my doctor is. If you get to choose, even if you have three choices and all three of them are

02:13:42.680 proficient, are they all equally proficient? And if you have a choice, would you not choose the one

02:13:48.680 who might be the very best. And then going back to my DEI argument, so all right, let's say that

02:13:53.760 DEI did not infect the medical field so profusely that there are guys who are incompetent. Okay,

02:14:02.020 but let's say they all met the minimum bottom standard, or they wouldn't be there because,

02:14:06.960 you know, the medical institution, they really held the line on wokeness. I'm not convinced

02:14:10.440 that's the case. But if that was the case, could we still at least say that, okay, so everybody met

02:14:15.440 the minimum standard but can we still at least say that um that that everyone who met the minimum

02:14:22.260 standard is still not equally proficient equally qualified that some are more qualified than others

02:14:28.240 and if anybody currently currently with our political and cultural landscape might have had

02:14:33.920 a harder time than somebody else it would have been the white guy like all this is document

02:14:40.220 read Jeremy Carl's book, The Unprotected Class. He documents all this from every major institution,

02:14:49.060 every field, every vocation. And he talks about how white people for years now have been 0.72

02:14:55.780 disparaged. They've been discriminated against on the books for universities, for different

02:15:01.920 institutions, for different companies, all these things. This is a proven fact. And so if I'm

02:15:07.600 looking and I see, okay, well, everybody met the bottom line minimum standard, but I know that this

02:15:13.740 guy, he had headwinds because of wokeness, just the general milieu of wokeness over the last

02:15:22.560 10, 15, 20 years. He probably had to be extra exceptional because right now we live in a

02:15:30.620 country that at every level has discriminated on the books verifiably against white people. 0.69

02:15:37.600 That was the argument.

02:15:39.380 And then the last thing he said, and he obsesses over Anglo-Saxon Christianity.

02:15:44.380 No, I make no apology for being a respecter of the great Western tradition and Christendom.

02:15:54.760 And God made that decision, Patrick, not me.

02:15:57.840 God in his providence, for whatever reason, it pleased him in his sovereignty over the

02:16:02.440 last thousand years to move among every tribe, tongue, and nation, saving from among all peoples,

02:16:08.700 but to move particularly, uniquely, in incredible ways, not just with salvation, but with philosophy

02:16:16.280 and art and innovation. God has moved, not exclusively, but predominantly in Western

02:16:24.600 society, in European peoples, over the last thousand years in a way that he has not in South

02:16:31.080 Africa, in a way that he has not in Asia, in a way that he has not in South America. And that's

02:16:37.540 just the reality. And I happen to be a descendant of that work of God, that sovereign, merciful,

02:16:46.200 it was God's mercy, but that sovereign, merciful work of God that he did through my ancestors

02:16:52.340 over the last thousand years. And right now, that's the very point of attack. That's the very

02:16:59.760 thing that the world hates, including white people, Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden, like that 0.94

02:17:06.740 the very thing that the world right now is trying to destroy is Christianity, first and 0.95

02:17:13.440 foremost, but also Western civilization.

02:17:18.400 They hate Christians, yes, but if you think that the world wants to completely eradicate 0.97

02:17:26.460 and replace Ethiopia. There are Christian nations, guys, in South America, Christian nations 0.63

02:17:34.160 in North Africa, Christian nations in other parts of the world, but they are not the targets

02:17:39.780 of the unbridled, putrid animosity and pure hatred that America is, that England is. There is a war

02:17:51.380 on Christ in Christianity, but there is also a war on white people. There is. And these two 0.93

02:17:59.960 circles, like a Venn diagram, I will be the first to tell you that there's plenty of overlap there.

02:18:06.020 There's a lot of overlap. But I am convinced that there is not just one war on Christianity,

02:18:12.500 and by proxy, whiteness. I believe that it's, I think it's important, whether you're white or not, 0.63

02:18:20.480 because if you're a Christian brother, you should care what's happening to your other Christian

02:18:24.600 brothers, whether they're the same race or not. And I think that it is paramount. It is vital

02:18:30.140 for people to wake up and recognize that there are two wars, not one, two distinct wars. There

02:18:37.360 is a war on Western predominantly white nations to take them over, to flood them with third world 1.00

02:18:44.860 foreigners or Muslim nations to replace them at every single level and for them to become quickly 0.78

02:18:51.320 the minority in their own historic nation. There is a war on white people and there is a war on 0.99

02:18:58.260 Christianity. It's not one war, it's two. There's a lot of overlap, absolutely, but there are two 0.93

02:19:05.740 wars. The country of Ethiopia is not hated. It is not hated in the way that America is hated,

02:19:15.820 in the way that England is hated. And it's not just because of Christianity. If it was just

02:19:21.700 Christianity, there are plenty of other Christian nations that are not predominantly white that 0.78

02:19:26.320 would be hated just as much as England, but they're not. They're not. White people are uniquely

02:19:33.980 hated. They're uniquely hated. And that, if there was any peoples on the earth, right? We've talked 1.00

02:19:40.080 about Christians in Syria, because they're our brothers in Christ. It needs to be talked about.

02:19:44.280 If there's any peoples on earth that right now the world seems to be joined together to eradicate 0.97

02:19:51.780 and replace, then as Christians, we should talk about that. And it just so happens that right now, 1.00

02:19:58.560 Western Europeans, white people, are absolutely being replaced and are hated. And as a Christian 0.98

02:20:10.340 minister, that seems like a relevant topic to discuss. Plus, my kids are white. So yeah, I have

02:20:18.780 a personal interest in the war against white people not being successful because I have white 0.92

02:20:26.560 children. And I want them to have a future. So I don't know what to tell you, Patrick. Love you.

02:20:32.820 I know that I met you in person. You seem like a great guy. I know you're a brother in Christ.

02:20:37.460 But if you want to buy the propaganda and all the enemies and right-wing watch and people who

02:20:43.800 clip me out of context, if you want to agree with leftists, then fine. You can do that. It's your

02:20:48.900 prerogative um but i'm not the monster that you think i am okay any other thoughts for today

02:20:56.600 nope okay that's it thank you guys for tuning in we'll see you again next friday

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