The NXR Podcast - THE LIVESTREAM - America First, The ADL, & Live Q&A

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00:00:31.000 So the ADL just came out with their newest statement that the phrase America first is

00:00:37.480 a terrible, terrible, racist, xenophobic, anti-Semitic phrase that no one should ever

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00:01:28.720 let's tune in now all right we are so back here we are happy friday happy friday uh we have uh

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00:02:12.340 nice um so why don't you lead off west and uh read for us this statement from the adl yeah so

00:02:18.600 the adl just uh give a little bit of broader context the anti-defamation league this is a

00:02:22.960 big kind of watchdog group. I think of the Southern Poverty Law Center, founded decades ago, and

00:02:27.340 they're this kind of synonymous name in America, media landscape, that they're the watchdog, right?

00:02:33.020 If it's a term, if it's an idea, if it's a cat call, if it's a dog whistle, if it's something

00:02:37.680 relating to something extreme, something crazy, the ADL goes in and says, hey, watch out for this

00:02:43.700 word. And so this term finally got added to the list. And let me read its definition now.

00:02:48.280 america first america first is a term that references the world war ii era america first

00:02:55.040 committee and is used by extremists and anti-semitic racist and xenophobic ways

00:02:59.620 america first in conservative circles often refers to an ideology that was promoted by

00:03:04.320 donald trump when he ran for office and served in office which emphasizes american nationalism

00:03:09.560 non-intervention and anti-immigrant and anti-globalist beliefs so true king yep

00:03:15.940 Yeah, pretty crazy. So they're saying America first is anti-Semitic. And what they mean by that

00:03:22.680 is by prioritizing America, then you can't be prioritizing our greatest ally. And that means

00:03:30.460 that you're anti-Semitic. I mean, that's literally what they're getting at is anybody who would raise

00:03:36.040 questions and say, I don't think it's in our best interest to be partnered with Israel in the way

00:03:40.540 that we are. I don't think we should have bombed Iran. I don't think that we should be doing this.

00:03:43.960 I don't think we should be giving them trillions of dollars over the decades.

00:03:47.540 I don't think that we should have this kind of stranglehold,

00:03:52.760 Jewish stranglehold of our government here in America.

00:03:57.480 Anti-Semitic, right?

00:03:58.820 They say racist, so it's anti-Semitic, America first, it's also racist.

00:04:03.260 What they mean by that is simply recognizing that diversity is not our greatest strength.

00:04:08.680 Recognizing that multiculturalism has been a plague on the West.

00:04:13.140 most people who would be labeled as racist today including ourselves it's a word that that doesn't

00:04:20.100 mean anything anymore um they you know people would use it uh to describe anyone who believes

00:04:25.900 simply that people are different that people are different yeah i think haitians um are different

00:04:33.180 than um a frenchman you know or a spaniard or uh scotsman uh yeah peoples are different

00:04:42.920 and that's undeniable. The idea that there are different people who live in the world

00:04:49.320 and that we should recognize distinctions between them and the idea that everyone should live here

00:04:56.340 is probably not a good idea. I think that the verdict has come back in over the last

00:05:01.560 50, 60 years with the Hart-Celler Act and America has changed and a lot of it has not been for

00:05:07.900 the better. A big reason for that is the spiritual reason of even heritage Americans turning their

00:05:14.320 back on the Lord Jesus Christ. So there's a lot of things to account for that. There's taking

00:05:19.080 prayer out of schools. There's abortion. There's all these different things. You can tie it back

00:05:27.340 to the 19th Amendment. You can tie it to even Ronald Reagan, as many things that he did that

00:05:31.960 were good, certain amnesty laws, and then also, of course, no-fault divorce. So there's a lot of

00:05:38.240 things that we can tie to the downgrade of America. But part of it also is importing the

00:05:46.700 entire world here. That has not been good for us. But that would be described by the ADL as being

00:05:52.640 racist. So you don't think that the relationship America has with Israel is a good thing. You're

00:05:58.600 anti-semitic you think that peoples are different and not all the peoples of the earth should live

00:06:02.760 in one country you're racist xenophobic right this uh yeah i i actually have a in-group preference

00:06:10.300 i prefer my nation my countrymen my citizens as opposed to foreigners i actually prefer my people

00:06:19.640 rather than someone on the other side of the world that i don't even know um they would describe that

00:06:25.420 as being xenophobic it's the you know it's the heat map you know that that meme that's gone

00:06:30.020 around it's really helpful and just showing like the liberal their greatest devotion is to a

00:06:35.720 stranger on the other side of the planet whereas you know the the typical conservative even you

00:06:41.440 know somebody who's more of a neo-conservative tends to have a preference for america well

00:06:46.580 that's america first that's xenophobic that's racist that's anti-semitic so that's what they're

00:06:51.260 trying to say and they're pinning it on donald trump and to give donald trump credit not negatively

00:06:57.160 but positively uh this was a major part of his campaign when he first ran for office when you

00:07:03.920 go back to 2015 and 2016 i mean he ran on an american first uh platform and that's that's why

00:07:11.560 he had such uh support he had such a groundswell that people and that's part of why he's he's you

00:07:17.720 know his approval ratings have fallen as of late and it's not to say that he can't be redeemed that

00:07:24.240 he couldn't make it up people are fickle things can change and Donald Trump tends to surprise

00:07:29.500 people you know so he'll do one thing and then he'll come around and be like that's right that

00:07:33.980 he's our guy I remember that Trump you know he's back America's back so that's all possible but

00:07:39.100 right now part of the reason why I think you know Trump is losing favor is because he's actually

00:07:43.660 gravitated away from america first uh in a lot of ways you look at like i saw you know somebody

00:07:49.120 posted just recently uh the amount of times that he said said uh the phrase drained the swamp in

00:07:55.220 his first term as a pair uh compared to you know this second something like hundreds throughout

00:08:00.480 his first hundreds twice to this point so far in this camp in this not campaign in this presidency

00:08:05.200 twice twice yeah so and and that's i think people are starting to feel that is trump we love you

00:08:11.340 uh but you know uh it's like are you are you draining the swamp or have you become the swamp

00:08:18.920 like epstein you know like i mean that was like that's exactly the kind of thing that that trump

00:08:24.460 ran on you think of hillary clinton he's like you know he's like the famous line of like yeah you'd

00:08:29.140 be in jail right you know it's like that's what people voted for they voted for uh trump to clean

00:08:35.420 house and uh and take all the slimy elites and uh and bring down the hammer of the law and to

00:08:42.900 prioritize america not israel but america and uh and to you know to play hardball when it comes to

00:08:50.160 foreign relations and those kinds of things and he did a lot of that uh in his first term and then

00:08:55.220 you know and you could tell like he wanted to do more but his hands were tied and now it's like

00:09:00.720 he has i think more power than he had previously certainly has the experience yeah he has the

00:09:06.900 experience and uh you know with the supreme court you know there's there's more things in his favor

00:09:12.200 his hands are less tied and yet he seems he seems to have lost that luster that he originally had

00:09:20.100 so the adl they tie it to you know donald trump and you know one of my constant prayers is god

00:09:24.600 please make donald trump you know uh half the man my enemies think he is yeah but anyway so i i

00:09:31.820 think it's ridiculous you got to recognize too when they add terms like this the literal word

00:09:36.140 for it if you go in all these terms it's called the glossary of extremism the use of it is it

00:09:40.640 actually takes a lot of effort if you were to take literal physical force and police people

00:09:44.120 you can't say that you can't say that throw people in jail that's a very inefficient way

00:09:48.480 of policing people's speech keeping the populace in line but what's a lot easier is social pressure

00:09:53.240 So, for example, another one of the terms that they've deemed as extreme and a symbol of hate is, it's okay to be white.

00:09:59.740 If you remember, this was like 2017.

00:10:02.240 People were putting up flyers on college campuses, and it was just a readout that said, it's okay to be white.

00:10:06.500 It wasn't a movement.

00:10:07.560 It wasn't anything nefarious.

00:10:08.820 It was literally, hey, if you're a white student, that's okay.

00:10:12.000 There's nothing wrong with that.

00:10:13.080 Same thing, white lives matter.

00:10:14.500 That was a response to black lives matter.

00:10:16.380 Both of them added as hate terms.

00:10:17.820 And you can kind of see the play there is, we just make these things that people wouldn't say in polite society.

00:10:23.000 people wouldn't utter out loud and then you don't need any police force you don't need any laws

00:10:27.200 rewritten you don't need any of that just by societal pressure you can get people to say

00:10:31.480 oh america first like i kind of like the sentiment but isn't that associated with

00:10:35.540 scary bad things it gets people to self-censor themselves you don't need to do it yourself at

00:10:40.740 all they themselves will say oh i i don't know like black lives matter it feels like we're really

00:10:46.340 emphasizing one group of people but i don't know white lives matter i've heard that's a pretty bad

00:10:50.740 way of saying it too associated with scary characters and they themselves will stop

00:10:54.760 themselves from saying it that's a perfect way to have control over people to get them to uh

00:10:59.440 hate themselves actually in many ways unless we forget this is uh also the adl is um responsible

00:11:05.660 for uh trying to poison the phrase christ is king yeah remember that you know we we dealt with that

00:11:11.860 at the time so that's that's what they do and they're not the only ones they're probably a

00:11:17.120 a leading entity in that regard but you're absolutely right we sometimes underestimate

00:11:21.920 uh just how how serious informal cultural power can actually be it's not just wielding legislation

00:11:31.220 but you can you can wield informal cultural power and and in many cases accomplish more than you

00:11:39.380 could with an entire police force um and so that's that's what the adl has done um in several

00:11:46.040 occasions uh poisoning christ is king as a phrase uh poisoning now america first uh you know if you

00:11:53.700 say america first it's because um you're a very very very terrible person and uh so yeah so it's

00:12:00.720 it's pretty ridiculous but this is where we are i'm not surprised by it any other thoughts before

00:12:05.960 we go to the questions i just say never let the enemy frame your discussion the minute you step

00:12:11.120 into their framework start using their made-up sins i think of racism for example you step into

00:12:15.720 the frame, we're like, well, no, no, I'm not this. That's getting into their framework and playing by

00:12:19.680 their rules. It doesn't work to play by the rules of the opponent that set it all up and rigged the

00:12:24.980 game so that they can win. So they say Christ is king is this terrible phrase. America first is a

00:12:29.840 bad phrase. And you sit there and you kind of do the calculus like, well, I don't know. Maybe we

00:12:34.220 say Jesus is Lord. You're submitting to their framing of the problem. And the minute you do that,

00:12:40.000 you're already at a disadvantage, if not have already lost. So it's Christ is king. It's true.

00:12:44.440 Yeah, I mean, like, don't phrase that with Christ is king, you blank, blank, blank.

00:12:48.280 That's just being foolish.

00:12:49.960 But never take their framing because the second you take their framing, well, I don't know, they might have the moral high ground.

00:12:55.300 Boom, you've lost the argument.

00:12:56.780 Right.

00:12:57.200 One example, just because it's personal to me and recent, I went viral earlier this week about a clip from a past sermon from a few months ago that somebody found.

00:13:11.320 and was you know they were insisting with their framing the leftist framing uh well joel is being

00:13:17.520 racist uh he's saying that black people can't vote and there's nothing in the clip and nothing

00:13:23.060 that i've ever said publicly because it's actually not my position i've actually had plenty of people

00:13:27.160 to my right you know vehemently disagree with me um you know so to to my own expense i've i've held

00:13:33.280 my position um which is not that black people can't vote i've said you know i think you need

00:13:37.700 to be third generation American on both sides. I think you need to be Christian. I think you need

00:13:41.580 to be married. I think you need to be net positive taxpayer, no criminal record, no dual citizenship,

00:13:48.280 you know, these kinds of things. And, and yet this clip went viral with the framing from, you know,

00:13:54.640 a detractor, you know, who, who hates us and hates me and hates our ministry saying, you know,

00:14:01.400 who do you think Joel's talking about here? And in the clip I said, like, it's actually not,

00:14:06.020 You know, I was talking about universal suffrage and egalitarianism and how it's a detriment and it's not a biblical principle.

00:14:14.320 Egalitarianism is not the way God made the world.

00:14:17.420 That's a Marxist idea.

00:14:19.660 That is not a biblical idea.

00:14:21.060 God created a world with hierarchy.

00:14:23.260 And so I was saying that universal suffrage stems from this egalitarian, Marxist, liberal worldview that is not.

00:14:31.800 It's anti-biblical, and it's actually a detriment to any nation when that's applied, especially with voting.

00:14:38.840 So I said universal suffrage is a plague.

00:14:41.500 I said it's actually not a benefit for a nation to incentivize and encourage its poorest class of citizens,

00:14:50.960 least educated, least intelligent, highest statistical likelihood of crime to come out

00:15:00.600 and dictate the future direction of the country with an equal vote to somebody who is the descendant

00:15:07.440 of people who came on the Mayflower and has been here for centuries and is married and raising

00:15:13.800 children and paying taxes and not a criminal um that's i mean that that really is foolish just on

00:15:20.620 its face so this guy you know detractor he framed it and said who do you think joel's talking about

00:15:25.180 he's you know insinuating like i'm talking about black people and we did a response and i said

00:15:30.320 um yeah i'm perfectly aware that if my criteria for voting was actually installed and i pray one

00:15:38.300 day that it would be. I recognize that people are different. And because there are distinctions

00:15:44.420 among people, that criteria for voting would disproportionately affect black people more than

00:15:50.080 white people. There'd be plenty of white people who wouldn't be able to vote because they're on

00:15:53.600 their fourth marriage. Plenty of white people who've committed crimes. Plenty of white people

00:15:57.840 who are on the welfare system. But yes, it would disproportionately affect black people.

00:16:03.760 Thomas Sowell would still be able to vote. Votie Bauckham would be able to vote. Clarence Thomas 0.87

00:16:07.860 would be able to vote but yes there would be a lot more black people uh who would not be able

00:16:12.760 to vote but here's my point back to framing because it's so important what you said was

00:16:17.660 um the temptation if this had happened to me a couple years earlier i i know that i would have

00:16:24.900 i what i likely would have done is i would have said i didn't you know i would have framed it

00:16:29.380 like this i would have just clapped back and said i didn't say a word about black people

00:16:33.360 all i said was um we shouldn't have um a sector of our population that is um has the highest crime

00:16:43.360 level lowest tax paying on welfare not married you know blah blah blah blah blah um voting and

00:16:49.740 you um and you are the one who assumed black people so who's the real racist and and i think

00:16:57.460 this is what you're talking about and it's important for the listener to understand

00:17:00.460 that was the rhetoric of 2020 and 2021 you think of woke wars one you know and and the pushback

00:17:08.200 took a while at first i mean we were just you know everybody was just getting everybody was

00:17:13.140 defeated but eventually you know the right started to find a little bit of its courage and started to

00:17:17.920 push back against black lives matter and push back on all the nonsense from saint george floyd

00:17:22.900 but a lot of their rhetoric was still they were fighting back but still fighting within the leftist

00:17:28.780 frame right um and and so they would say well who's the real democrats are the real racist

00:17:34.600 you know democrats are uh you you want to have dei metrics because um you don't think that black

00:17:40.900 people uh will have as good of a chance to get hired uh for this job or or you you want to have

00:17:47.840 different metrics for ivy league schools when it comes to sat scores because you're the ones who

00:17:53.380 think that black people won't get in uh so who's the real racist that is entering into a leftist

00:17:59.960 framework and so it's like you're fighting the enemy but you're fighting the enemy on on his

00:18:06.340 his at like his home base where he has all the power where he has every advantage because the

00:18:13.080 reality is uh you get rid of dei you get rid of affirmative action like let's just be honest

00:18:18.420 the whole point of affirmative action is to take certain minority peoples including black people

00:18:24.280 and i would argue with affirmative action especially black people and um and prioritize

00:18:29.620 them over white people apart from merit because why because on the basis of merit alone

00:18:37.240 disproportionately black people will not get the job if it's uh if it is strictly merit um then

00:18:44.600 will there still be black guys who are intelligent and gifted of course but in terms of per capita

00:18:51.520 this is a very difficult thing for people to understand because people are retarded but

00:18:55.640 in terms especially liberals and leftists but talking about averages generalities in general

00:19:02.560 per capita if it's strictly based on merit strictly based on merit yes when it comes to

00:19:09.880 crime, if you legislate law strictly based on merit, you have more black people in jail than

00:19:15.520 white people per capita, per capita on average. Um, if it's for, uh, getting hired at, at high

00:19:22.880 level jobs, white collar jobs, um, you will have less black people getting that job without

00:19:28.520 affirmative action. So, so for, for people on the right, for, you know, alleged conservatives,

00:19:33.580 uh for our rhetoric our our line of argument to be made um well you're the real racist you know

00:19:40.340 you you want dei because you don't believe in black people and you actually think that

00:19:44.720 um that on average less black people get it like you're entering the leftist framework what we

00:19:49.880 should be willing to say without batting an eye there's no sin in this there's no malice there's

00:19:54.400 no wickedness this is not a biblical category it's not a biblical category of sin i can sit

00:19:59.580 here as a Christian pastor and say, yes, strictly on the merit of basis, without DEI standards,

00:20:06.400 without affirmative action, per capita, not each and every individual, but per capita,

00:20:11.600 you will have more black men in jail than white men. And if my criteria for voting was ever a

00:20:18.380 reality, you would have less black men qualified to vote than white men. And when it comes to

00:20:24.220 white collar jobs you will have less black per capita less black engineers than you would have

00:20:31.360 for instance white engineers that is a reality but it's still true and good and right it is right

00:20:40.080 that we do things based off of character and virtue and merit it's the right thing to do

00:20:46.920 and so you don't have to you know enter the leftist framework and say well who's the real

00:20:51.400 racist uh you want dei because you don't believe in black people uh you you think that black people

00:20:56.900 um don't have uh the same chance or the same likelihood of of achieving this as white people

00:21:02.720 um so you're the real racist no like stop that we should be able to say look you can read the

00:21:09.320 fbi statistics it's just a fact on merit alone without the police carving out you know some

00:21:16.640 kind of exception or turning a blind eye on merit alone, black men commit far more violent crime

00:21:23.400 than any other race in America. So I don't have to sit here and say Democrats are the real racist

00:21:29.180 because they want to make exceptions. And I actually believe that if we just did it based

00:21:33.200 on merit, that there'd be no difference between black men and white men. No, there is a difference.

00:21:37.480 There's actually a massive difference. There's a massive difference. Black men are far more likely

00:21:42.940 to commit violent crimes than asian men white men hispanic men than every other people group

00:21:52.000 in in the nation except maybe some you know some of the the newest additions to america when you

00:21:58.420 think of you know foreigners who are coming in you know in wide swaths so anyway so that's just

00:22:04.000 a personal example that i wanted to share of trying not to enter in because i you know i i

00:22:09.180 could have done that and i and i thought about it like oh i can just clap back this person i'm

00:22:14.560 sitting here talking about um universal suffrage and how it's not a biblical principle and it's

00:22:20.900 actually a detriment to a nation it's actually embracing egalitarianism and liberalism and even

00:22:26.300 marxism in some some sense and that's actually antithetical to the bible and this person assumes

00:22:32.600 because i said nothing i did not say black people but they assume that i'm talking about black people

00:22:37.520 so boom, you're the real racist. And I was perfectly aware that that was a strategy that

00:22:43.060 I could employ. But we've got to move past that. As Christians who are ultimately subservient to

00:22:50.420 the word of God as our standard, his immutable standards, if we're Christians and the Bible

00:22:55.400 is actually the standard of morality and truth, we do not need to be using leftist weapons in

00:23:03.160 order to beat our enemy because because you won't you won't win that way you're you're you're

00:23:09.520 ultimately standing on shaky ground it's the same thing that we did with james lindsey it's like

00:23:15.100 okay we'll we'll fight back against you know the left with uh an atheist as our our greatest

00:23:21.360 champion like yeah well that didn't work out so well did it uh who could have seen that coming

00:23:26.520 You know, so I think, yeah, just acknowledging, no, I don't have to be so afraid.

00:23:32.920 They called me a racist, so I got to prove how, you know, by their own standards, they're the real racist.

00:23:38.600 No, you can just say, you think I'm a racist because I believe that people are different?

00:23:45.240 Okay, well, then, you know, if that's what it means, then whatever.

00:23:49.200 I don't care.

00:23:50.740 Your word has no power.

00:23:52.020 Your word has no, the word is powerless.

00:23:54.260 and so you know like you have no power here um and and then i think it's important to clarify

00:23:59.980 because some guys i think lean in foolishly at times like well i am a racist and it's in in a

00:24:05.680 tweet and that's it and there's no clear like so so just say look being a racist based off of

00:24:12.180 your understanding of what racist is this made-up word it means nothing but if you're talking about

00:24:18.320 real categories, real biblical categories of sin, like unjustifiable malice towards people

00:24:25.320 for no reason other than simply their ethnicity, well, then that's not true. I don't feel malice

00:24:32.540 towards anyone. I don't hate anyone. I'm not trying to unjustifiably crush or harm anyone,

00:24:40.800 but I absolutely believe that America should stay America, and America first is a good principle,

00:24:47.620 and America first should mean Americans first and being an American is more than just having a piece

00:24:53.620 of paper. It's people who actually have a heritage here and a history here and I'm going to fight for

00:24:59.160 that and I make no apology and me saying that these people can't come and these 20 to 50 million

00:25:05.040 people have to be deported and have to leave does not mean that I hate them or that I want to hurt

00:25:10.160 them. It simply means that we're allowed. We are allowed to have a country. By God, we'll have our

00:25:16.060 home again. We're allowed to have a country. And that does not necessitate any biblical category

00:25:21.040 of sin. That does not necessitate arrogance. You can believe, like, so I think, I don't think,

00:25:27.300 I know, it's a proven fact. I know that white men commit less violent crime than black men.

00:25:32.520 That does not necessitate arrogance. So you can know that in that category, okay, I'm not saying

00:25:38.360 across the board in every single way, there are different things. So the category of physical

00:25:43.940 prowess well according to the nfl when you look at the statistics black people are superior to

00:25:49.960 white people when it comes to that level of athleticism like how come everybody in the nba

00:25:55.460 in the nfl is is black um you know so i can say okay you're you're gifted here uh when it comes

00:26:01.780 to uh not murdering people white people are superior and asians too for that matter that's

00:26:09.500 just a fact now here's the thing so people will reel it oh he used the word superior in that

00:26:14.460 category yes but here's the deal you can recognize that without there being arrogance arrogance is a

00:26:21.120 biblical sin so i think of you know when paul says uh view yourselves with sober judgment not more

00:26:26.040 highly than you ought he doesn't say don't view yourself highly at all um i remember even tim

00:26:31.520 keller that the marxist tim keller said back in the day uh in exegeting that text he said we should

00:26:36.820 not view ourselves more highly than we ought, nor should we view ourselves more lowly than we ought.

00:26:41.100 But the whole premise of that verse is, but view yourself with sober judgment. Sober judgment is

00:26:47.420 not self-deprecating and sober judgment is not prideful and arrogant. Sober judgment is looking

00:26:53.360 at the facts and viewing yourself accurately. And so I can look at white people in America

00:26:59.460 and I can say with accuracy, not arrogance, but accuracy, I can say, yes, white men are more law

00:27:08.120 abiding per capita on average in general than black men. And that is a virtue. That's a good

00:27:15.140 thing. White men are superior in that regard, at least right now in this point in history. That's

00:27:23.600 simply the reality. And so I don't have to say, oh, no, no, no, but I'm not racist. Oh, no, no,

00:27:27.880 you're the real racist oh no no no no you can just say that and it's not a sin racism the way that

00:27:34.700 it's being used today is not a sin what makes it a sin is um real biblical sins arrogance is a sin

00:27:42.500 theft is a sin murder is a sin malice is a sin those are sins and so that's the that's the frame

00:27:50.780 so you talk about frame that's the frame as christians that we should live in we should be

00:27:54.820 operating in that frame so i you know if i got somebody calling me a racist i don't need to snap

00:27:59.580 back and call them a racist no i need to use biblical language um well you right so you're

00:28:05.600 saying this about me so uh you're saying i'm a racist so instead of me saying well you're the

00:28:09.220 real racist instead i used a biblical category and i just snapped back and said um well you're

00:28:14.360 a slanderer right that's actually a biblical category and they literally slandered me they

00:28:20.560 they said that I did something, said something that I quite literally did not say, or that I

00:28:25.740 implied something that I did not even imply. It was not even my connotation. So I'm not going to

00:28:30.920 snap back and say, well, you're the real racist because what's wrong with my criteria? Because

00:28:35.620 black people would be able to vote just as much as white people with my criteria. And you're the

00:28:41.460 one who believes that they wouldn't be able to. So you must have a lower view of black people that,

00:28:44.980 oh that's that's ridiculous if my criteria for voting that i talked about and you can go back

00:28:50.680 and see the tweets and all that kind of stuff or go back and watch the episode if my criteria was

00:28:54.360 put in place then per capita less black men would be able to vote than white men that's just a fact

00:29:00.860 and so i don't need to say well you're the real racist for not believing in black men

00:29:04.660 um i don't believe in black men in that regard that right now in the year of our lord 2025

00:29:10.800 if the criteria of not having a criminal record of not being divorced of not leaving your baby

00:29:16.460 mama you know and uh these kinds of things and and being a net positive taxpayer if that was

00:29:21.360 a criteria for voting then um yeah i i don't believe that black men per capita would be

00:29:27.780 qualified to vote at the same level as white men because it's just not reality estimated with ai

00:29:32.640 it's about 90 to 78 so white men about 90 those they wouldn't meet some of the criteria 90 would

00:29:39.060 knocked out could right in white men it's about 22 and those are very high level you're so 90

00:29:44.280 knocked out for black men 72 uh 72 percent sorry not so 10 in terms of those who could vote

00:29:50.780 according to the criteria i publicly presented it'd be only 10 of black men and 28 very roughly

00:29:57.140 so that's just that's just based off of statistics so then what makes it a sin saying that is not a

00:30:01.840 sin what makes it a sin is um are you being arrogant are you or are you viewing yourself

00:30:07.940 a sober judgment and in this particular category it is quite literally superior but you can

00:30:13.740 recognize superiority in a particular category without being prideful like i recognize that i

00:30:20.700 am superior in speaking to a lot of my friends but i don't go to sleep at night thinking

00:30:26.820 i i am so much more valuable than being better than everyone else yeah so like you can recognize

00:30:34.800 something as being true superiority or inferiority for that matter without engaging in the sin so if

00:30:41.320 you're inferior that's just a fact and to view yourself with sober judgment which is a command

00:30:46.000 in scripture you actually need to be able to acknowledge that i am inferior to this person or

00:30:51.680 this group of persons in this category and what what's the sin the sin to avoid if you're inferior

00:30:58.360 is the sin of envy the sin of bitterness yeah um okay i am superior uh to this person in this

00:31:05.820 category this group of people in this category and so what's the sin there to avoid arrogance

00:31:10.920 or exploitation i think that's how the westminster catechism breaks down the fifth commandment the

00:31:16.360 duties of inferiors to superiors and the duties of superiors to inferiors so i'd say the man in

00:31:21.380 the sense in the marriage is the superior the head but that all that comes with actually is

00:31:25.780 more responsibility a greater duty to care to love to protect and cherish those that are under

00:31:32.020 his care it actually comes with a heavier weight so the duty of superiors to inferiors inferiors

00:31:36.860 to superiors those are bounded by scripture and arrogance most certainly is not that but also for

00:31:42.020 those that are underneath reviling and disrespect is not under it either hey this is the station

00:31:46.540 god has me in i am the wife i submit to my husband right this is where i am that's the the attitude

00:31:52.160 that should be taken and you know i you know for those who hate us and can't think um in categories

00:31:57.840 they would probably say right there they say yeah but the wife isn't inferior in terms of her value

00:32:02.480 no correct and neither is the black man we're not talking about that we can we've got to learn to

00:32:08.120 think in categories so all people are created in the image of god and in the eternal spiritual

00:32:13.520 ultimate sense um that that black christian versus the white christian have equal dignity

00:32:20.480 equal value, eternal value, and worth in the sight of God. But in the temporal category of

00:32:27.400 giftings, aptitude, ability, in terms of that, yeah, one will be greater and one will be lesser.

00:32:35.360 So the same thing, like my wife, we're co-heirs in grace, right? We're both equal, as the phrase

00:32:42.100 goes, at the foot of the cross, right? Co-heirs of grace. She does not have a second-class

00:32:46.560 citizenship in heaven to me. And yet here temporally on earth, she is the inferior and I am

00:32:53.720 the superior, both in role and also in design. Because God does not deal out roles arbitrarily.

00:33:00.980 He's not capricious. He's actually called men to lead, not just because, just because. No,

00:33:07.600 he's called men to lead because he has built them, not just their role, but their nature,

00:33:12.280 equip them in such a way that they are more inclined and and more suited towards leadership

00:33:18.260 than the woman and so so and and you look at the puritans like william gooch like look at him

00:33:25.620 writing about husband and wife he doesn't bat an eye he doesn't apologize he doesn't have to give

00:33:29.920 a million disclaimers and qualify every statement because this is old language that people used to

00:33:34.820 understand before you know gay race communism came in and and you know and made everybody retarded

00:33:40.880 But what William Gouge would have said, what he did say, you can read Domestical Duties by William

00:33:46.400 Gouge, he says that the wife is the inferior and the husband is the superior. And yet William Gouge

00:33:53.700 would also say in the very next breath, co-heirs in grace, right? In terms of their, you know,

00:33:58.900 eternal spiritual worth and dignity and value equal in the sight of God. And yet in another

00:34:05.220 category the temporal plane both role and design inferior and superior and he could use that kind

00:34:13.440 of language if if you're if you're you know christians from europe and you roll up in your

00:34:20.600 ship on the ivory coast and you you're coming from cathedrals and they're living in mud huts

00:34:28.400 you're gonna say got done with 20 000 sacrifices right and yeah and they're and they're cannibals

00:34:33.500 you're going to say, these are savages. These are an inferior people. They're an inferior people.

00:34:41.080 And that doesn't mean you hate them. And it doesn't necessitate pride. You could be prideful.

00:34:46.880 It gives the opportunity for pride, but it does not necessitate pride. It's simply viewing

00:34:54.100 the situation with sober judgment, with sober judgment. People have to be able to understand

00:35:00.240 on this. So when we are slandered or whatever with Marxist words like racism that were coined

00:35:06.780 in the early 1900s and you cannot find the word anywhere in all of history until the last hundred

00:35:12.140 years, when those things happen, don't enter your enemy's framework. Don't agree to his terms. Don't

00:35:21.160 say, okay, I'll fight you, but it's going to be a fair fight according to your rules. It'll never

00:35:28.620 be a fair fight because his rules aren't fair he'll cheat he'll cheat so don't so don't give

00:35:35.020 him the opportunity to say i'm not doing that you're calling me a racist i could you know pop

00:35:40.120 back and i could show with logic while you're why you are actually being more racist than i am and

00:35:44.900 blah blah but i'm not going to do that instead i'm going to stick to biblical categories you

00:35:48.520 called me a racist well um coming from you it doesn't mean anything but i can call you in an

00:35:54.080 objective sense a slanderer and if you do not repent and believe upon the lord jesus christ

00:35:59.880 you will go to hell and you just handle it like that all right so i'm hoping that we have questions

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00:39:07.220 all right cool let's get to the super chats here i'm going to go with mr non-specific

00:39:14.820 mr non-specific gave 50 dollars thanks so much for your support and all he said it wasn't a

00:39:20.040 question was thanks for fighting the good fight guys never quit we will not thank you i really

00:39:24.780 lord willing we will not um next one answers in scripture yes answers in scripture ten dollar

00:39:30.320 super chat love right response ministries what is the biggest super chat you have received i think

00:39:35.300 it was five hundred dollars i i can think of three separate five hundred dollar ones i think one was

00:39:39.500 from philip nathaniel which speaking of his daughter huffstead ben huffstead there a couple

00:39:43.500 probably yeah i just updated on philip nathaniel because i think last q a we mentioned him oh

00:39:47.900 that's right talked to him yesterday and his daughter's on the mend but you can just pray

00:39:51.080 that she puts on weight learns to eat so they can go home they've been in the hospital for

00:39:54.820 months and so but that was one of the 500 two months early right she's born two months early

00:39:59.720 so she's been in the NICU and now she's doing good but uh they just want her to be able to

00:40:04.340 take a bottle before she goes home which is kind of arbitrary it's kind of frustrating but you know

00:40:09.240 with those situations you can't just say like oh we're gonna take our daughter back yeah because

00:40:13.080 then out cps comes so it's it's tough but um if you think of philip nathaniel and his wife pay for

00:40:18.340 them and their daughter okay but that was a 500 one ben hoffstether and i'm in member aaron one

00:40:23.320 year what's her last name perry perryville i don't know so 500 i think yeah 500 and um

00:40:33.040 And I believe that you guys can top it.

00:40:35.900 It can be done.

00:40:37.320 It can be done.

00:40:38.620 $501.

00:40:39.380 I see $501.

00:40:40.780 All right.

00:40:41.440 505.

00:40:42.140 Next one.

00:40:43.240 Black Belt 1689-2.

00:40:47.200 That's shocking to me.

00:40:48.340 There must be a Black Belt 1689-1.

00:40:50.860 I'm thinking he's probably saying the second London Baptist Confession of Faith versus the first one.

00:40:54.940 All right.

00:40:55.180 Fair enough.

00:40:55.960 All right.

00:40:56.160 So Black Belt 1689-2.

00:40:58.000 He gave us $10.

00:40:58.960 Thanks.

00:40:59.260 We appreciate that.

00:41:00.080 he said i agree with your entire criteria except the high school diploma that's actually not part

00:41:06.240 of my criteria but we'll keep going he says uh there are well educated heritage american men

00:41:12.380 that never graduated uh that want what's best for and have a stake in the future so i would say i

00:41:19.600 agree 100 and that was actually not one of my criteria i'll give them real quick so number one

00:41:23.700 was christian um number two was male um i i the 19th amendment is a joke so it should be men

00:41:31.140 christian men uh number three was third generation so stake in the past third generation american

00:41:37.040 um minimum and then number four is married so i want them to be christian married men so they

00:41:43.900 have a stake in the future um marriage means not everybody can have kids but at least you know

00:41:48.980 signifies children and posterity so stake in the past third generation stake in the future your

00:41:53.600 married. And then number five was a net paying a taxpayer. Some people have written in and said,

00:42:01.120 well, why didn't you say landowning like the founders? Well, the founders have had not met

00:42:06.420 boomers. So if George Washington was here today and he met a boomer, he'd be like, yeah, we can't

00:42:15.840 say landowning because there's an entire generation that did everything they possibly could to make

00:42:20.880 sure that it's impossible for any of you to ever own land right now 70 year olds are buying more

00:42:25.040 land than individuals over 30 under 35 yep they're buying more than the young generation right um so

00:42:31.540 land owning i think is a great metric the founders use it for a reason because again it's just showing

00:42:36.160 that you're invested you have stake in in the nation right um that you own something and so

00:42:41.840 all i would i'm just basically i'm just i'm taking that same principle um but but i'm expanding it

00:42:47.780 from being narrowly related to physical land because I think there are a lot of people who

00:42:53.540 are net positive contributors in America but simply cannot own land and it's not their fault

00:43:01.540 if it was if land was easy to own you know and people were just choosing not to because they

00:43:08.800 were spending all their money on on video games or virtual reality then that then yeah I'd say

00:43:14.460 yeah that guy probably shouldn't be able to vote uh because he doesn't it's not really invested

00:43:18.340 in in the soil he's not invested in what's real in the country uh but i i think economically

00:43:24.900 speaking uh in large part because of the boomers um owning there's a lot of people who would love

00:43:30.160 to own land and they're hard working uh they're they're actually not poor they just they don't

00:43:35.400 have 10 to 20 times their annual salary with you know 6.5 percent interest rates right to purchase

00:43:43.360 a home and that's not their fault so that was the five and then there's two others that i i didn't

00:43:49.720 include in the tweet but they matter so christian male married third generation um net positive

00:43:56.920 taxpayer and then no dual citizenship i think you should have to relinquish citizenship from

00:44:02.780 another country and have your sole allegiance and citizenship in america if you're going to

00:44:07.720 dictate america's politics i think that's perfectly reasonable that would be for holding office for

00:44:12.460 sure but also as a voting citizen you could have some form of citizenship apart from that but if

00:44:17.500 you want to vote so that's number six no dual citizenship and then number seven uh no criminal

00:44:23.480 no criminal record um not speeding tickets but like actual crime so you need to be an upstanding

00:44:29.680 moral citizen so those were the seven criteria high school diploma was not actually one of them

00:44:35.140 if we can go back it's my criteria and if you have one you can't vote i want men of the land

00:44:39.600 i want men that are just just instinct let's go back to the super chats so he said um i agree with

00:44:46.700 your entire criteria except for the high school diploma so that's perfect so he agrees with my

00:44:50.840 entire criteria all right because that wasn't actually part of it and he said there are well

00:44:54.500 educated heritage americans uh that never graduated and i would agree entirely yep yeah

00:44:58.800 and then he wrote back in and gave five dollars more thank you we appreciate that he said also

00:45:03.220 shout out to my boy, Andrew C., for introducing me to y'all. Thank you, Andrew C., for introducing

00:45:10.420 Black Belt 1689, too. We're glad that you're here. Okay. All right. In the meantime, Nick Bonner

00:45:18.200 sent in a $50 super chat. Thank you so much, Nick. Nick's a frequent commenter, good brother.

00:45:24.180 He said this, I often find myself biting my tongue when in polite company in these discussions around

00:45:28.560 race gender etc come up how do you speak your mind and not be a coward without unnecessarily

00:45:34.500 offending the npcs the non-playable characters that are just yeah they haven't thought critically

00:45:39.840 about these things what do you think um i mean there's tons of times where i bite my tongue i

00:45:45.060 think a good example is in-laws uh i would probably guess most of our listeners your in-laws are

00:45:50.200 probably not necessarily on board so you could every time something like this comes up every

00:45:54.560 time election season's there any time someone mentions well man crime really seems to be

00:45:59.040 getting out of control you could you could sour the relationship you could do that but that's a

00:46:03.360 relationship that you have for life it's a relationship that affects your family if you're

00:46:07.120 married and what's the upside of it like all right like i fought for 10 years my my in-laws are red

00:46:12.540 pilled on world war ii like that's it that's the outcome like my in-laws are red pilled so i think

00:46:18.040 it's calculus of uh what can i reasonably hope to gain and what do i need this relationship for

00:46:22.900 Like there's another relationship where I wish I'd spoken up.

00:46:25.840 It was during Black Lives Matter and social justice.

00:46:28.180 And it was the pastor of the church that we were getting ready to leave.

00:46:30.960 Well, that's a relationship that I'm leaving the state.

00:46:33.260 I'm not going to have that.

00:46:34.280 And it's something that actually matters.

00:46:35.780 And he's the pastor of a church.

00:46:37.260 And so convincing him, if by God's grace I could, or helping him reconsider would have been impactful.

00:46:42.520 So right there, it's like, that's actually a good time.

00:46:44.540 Like, hey, I don't want to ruin our friendship, but you said this.

00:46:48.040 And I just, I strongly disagree.

00:46:50.060 And I think this is wrong.

00:46:51.120 and then that same concept could come up at dinner at thanksgiving with your in-laws

00:46:55.260 and you smile because practically wait i gotta hold this relationship for the rest of my life

00:46:59.760 right and these aren't people that are influenced they're not going to take this and then go on and

00:47:04.120 be really influential so it's a great what kind of gain from it and uh and this relationship like

00:47:09.040 is it a friend who can take it if it's a friend who can take it even if they're not influential

00:47:12.760 hey we've been friends for a long time and i'm going to push back on you come on we've known

00:47:16.760 each other since childhood you know x y and z so really great answer i um that's one of my best

00:47:23.720 ideas i was anytime wes has a good idea i always immediately say hey that that was my idea um no i

00:47:31.620 actually uh was gonna not say it exactly that way i think you added some extra things that are really

00:47:36.140 good but i was basically gonna say in a nutshell um the answer to nick's question is like you know

00:47:41.880 how do you speak up about these things, you know, with the average MPC? And my answer, you know,

00:47:47.080 the short version is you don't. You don't. I actually don't think that you, and I think that's

00:47:52.940 important for our listeners to hear. You need to feel this coming from two Christian men,

00:48:00.540 one of them being a pastor. I want to unbind your conscience right now. You need to hear this.

00:48:07.180 um you are not morally obligated under god from the scripture to commit suicide

00:48:13.200 and you just you have to recognize that like we are uh the zeitgeist is is it has a stranglehold

00:48:23.500 on uh the entire culture our entire society politically culturally the church all these

00:48:31.080 things uh you are allowed in fact not only is it permissible but biblically speaking you are

00:48:36.200 commanded to act with shrewdness you are commanded to be wise to be prudent to be strategic you are

00:48:44.960 you are actually again not just permissible not just allowed you are commanded not to throw throw

00:48:50.920 your pearls before swine lest they trample them and then trample you also right so you are not

00:48:56.920 only allowed but you're actually morally morally obligated under god to not commit suicide and

00:49:03.240 quite to the contrary, to exercise discernment. And so every, the categories then, so that's my

00:49:10.340 answer. And then the categories that Wes provided, I think are fantastic. So what, what is, what's,

00:49:17.920 what's the nature of the relationship that I have with this person? How much influence does this

00:49:23.520 person have? If I was, let's say I like, it's unlikely I'll convince them, but let's say that,

00:49:28.360 um, that by God's mercy, I, I did, what would the result be? Right. Um, would I convince them

00:49:34.780 and, and they have, you know, three friends, you know, and work at Taco Bell, you know, like,

00:49:41.820 or, or is this, um, my pastor and I'm about to leave the church and never see him again,

00:49:47.120 and it could influence him for good. Uh, and there's going to be many people under his care

00:49:51.620 and under his influence. Right. So like, those are the kinds of things, like, so when I'm

00:49:56.140 determining i'm in a setting should i you know should i talk about the weather or should i talk

00:50:02.280 about fbi statistics um well who's around me what's the nature of the relationship i have with

00:50:07.940 these people are they influential and then also what is the potential cost what could i lose

00:50:14.000 right i have a wife i have children um i i need to be wise i need to be discerning and and i'm

00:50:20.660 commanded to be shrewd. So no, you are not obligated, Nick. I guess what I'm trying to say

00:50:27.400 is I'm trying to provide for you a theological category outside of the exclusive category of

00:50:34.800 cowardice. I think a lot of young men who listen to us and others like us, there's not many, but

00:50:40.500 there are some. I think a lot of you guys, your consciences have been wrongly bound, not from

00:50:46.820 the word of god but um wrongly bound and i think it's a good instinct right it's a good instinct

00:50:51.840 for men to want to be courageous but but i think that um i think that that that can be pigeonholed

00:50:57.940 and truncated to where the only category you have for not speaking up is sin the only category you

00:51:04.940 have for not speaking up is cowardice and biblically speaking it's just a little bit more

00:51:09.840 complex than that it's not that simple it's not every time you don't uh speak up um you're in sin

00:51:15.840 and you're a coward. And as Revelation says, the cowards will be thrown into the lake of fire.

00:51:21.160 The Bible is a pretty big book. That is a verse in the Bible, but there's a few other verses in

00:51:25.780 there as well. And there are verses about discernment, not casting pearls before swine,

00:51:31.640 being shrewd, innocent as doves, but shrewd, wise as serpents. And so, yes, you can, in each

00:51:39.400 situation um calculate uh what is the best strategy here and there will be situations

00:51:46.700 where um it is imperative that you don't speak up and you should have a clean conscience um in not

00:51:53.960 speaking up and knowing that um that you are um you know clear conscience before the lord and that

00:52:00.300 you did no wrong okay i would say too just briefly there are categories i think of a lot of positions

00:52:05.220 where there's ways to frame it as well that's very defensible and palatable i had a family

00:52:09.660 member just around dinner table they said something like well yeah illegal immigration

00:52:13.740 is a problem but we don't care if they come in here legally like oh i said hey well no we're

00:52:19.620 pretty full i didn't break out like the 1790 immigration act and like go on a spiel but i

00:52:24.220 said hey there's a lot of people here we're where our border is closed for a while so any type of

00:52:29.160 view even if you hold a very extreme version of it there's just a way to say like hey world war

00:52:33.420 too like he killed millions of europeans for not much like like people can get behind that like

00:52:39.640 yeah killing's bad and peace is better so like with every situation you can say let me let me

00:52:44.180 take the most defensible portion of this most defensible position possible if i am going to

00:52:49.300 push back instead of and let me give you you know three hours worth of history or three hours worth

00:52:54.100 of statistics yeah there's somebody could talk about the holocaust and you can simply say um

00:52:58.980 you know there's a lot of differing opinions on the holocaust but whatever did happen

00:53:02.840 to innocent people they weren't jewish spies they weren't bolsheviks they weren't communists

00:53:07.720 women and children you know but like women and children who are innocent and they were wrongfully

00:53:12.200 um and unjustly harmed or killed uh that that is terrible and i lament that and also i would just

00:53:19.680 add to that right um i think dresden have you read any about what happened and you know at

00:53:25.160 dresden that was also a homeless crime and you can literally so you can be you wise and above

00:53:31.880 reproach and you know and uh flank the rear you know and the way that you answer these questions

00:53:38.120 yep okay great all right ais answers in scripture four hundred and ninety dollars and this is the

00:53:46.160 person who asked what's the largest super chat you've ever received and gave ten i think that

00:53:49.660 so they gave 10 yeah and then they're giving a 490 to make it 500 and in it um they said that uh

00:53:56.600 you can't i believe uh they said that 500 is the max the machine 500 is the max that the machine

00:54:02.020 i was trying to think if we had a 750 one time i don't think we did yep so okay so you are now

00:54:06.740 you are now in the hall of fame you are officially right response one of uh right response top guys

00:54:12.760 top tier and honestly we've we've been talking about this uh me and west and antonio and nate

00:54:18.240 um he's you know he's over in in the closet like a harry potter situation you know running the

00:54:23.840 cameras and uh and we try not to let him out you know like we we it makes us feel better

00:54:29.200 um if he's in as small of a room as humanly possible like i actually have thought about

00:54:34.600 like could we get a wardrobe like like have a closet within the closet to just have you know

00:54:38.740 more confined right now a more confined smaller space you know how can we make his his job less

00:54:45.340 comfortable uh it just you know they're talking about inferior superior you know makes me feel

00:54:49.840 superior and i am arrogant about that but anyways uh me and and nate and west and antonio we've

00:54:56.140 actually been talking for a couple months all jokes aside about um kind of like a how could

00:55:01.380 we really give a ton of value to the people who um who have been uh so supportive and uh and such

00:55:08.500 a blessing and encouragement to us financially through their prayers uh their their positive

00:55:13.440 encouraging emails and so we actually are thinking you'll hear more about this towards

00:55:17.620 the end of the year but we do actually plan to roll out a top guys category where basically

00:55:25.500 some of the things that we're thinking I'll give you guys a sneak peek today but we have some big

00:55:30.600 things in the pipeline some really special guests that are going to be coming in the studio in

00:55:35.640 person doing long form series like we do with our Friday special but like some some big guests not

00:55:41.760 just you know our our colleagues and our peers but guys uh many are asking it's not me put the

00:55:47.580 rumors to rest but no people with international yeah acclaim um that like if i said the name

00:55:52.620 you'd be like what oh my goodness um and so we um we've got uh three or four of those individuals

00:55:59.180 already lined up um and they're coming in this year um uh in in the very new just in the coming

00:56:06.060 weeks uh one of the guests is coming and we're working on these recording projects and we'll be

00:56:10.260 putting out uh this content and so so what we were thinking is um you know we'll keep the live

00:56:16.700 stream going three times a week uh but then we'll add like this this special with guys you know big

00:56:22.040 name guests on really really interesting important relevant topics in the studio multiple part series

00:56:27.740 and and we're thinking you know we'll make that available to you know an early access ad free so

00:56:33.320 you don't have to wait for weeks for it to drip out like we've done you know for um a monthly

00:56:38.160 subscription you know that's that's affordable but then we're thinking about creating like this

00:56:42.520 top guy you know right response top guy uh category where you would get that uh we're also

00:56:48.520 working on coming out with a sub stack and you would get uh some of the sub stack will be front

00:56:52.960 facing some behind a paywall but you get all uh full subscription to the sub stack and to the

00:56:58.340 special uh podcast um and and then in addition to that we're working on a new book um and so you'd

00:57:04.720 get a free copy of the book and then in addition to that we were thinking we could do a monthly

00:57:09.140 zoom call and we'd want it to be small right like intentionally so we don't want to do it with you

00:57:14.360 know hundreds of people but we do like a monthly zoom call with our top guys um who are like they're

00:57:21.540 the guys who are in it with us and so it's like that you got like a monthly you know two three

00:57:26.300 hour zoom call with me and wes and antonio and you guys and so you're actually getting to speak

00:57:30.860 and engage and it's not recorded we don't publicly post it we're able to talk there's there's a

00:57:36.920 privacy it's strategizing behind the scenes once a month we can answer your questions you can give

00:57:42.500 us your thoughts so that we're learning and then in addition to that the monthly zoom call having

00:57:47.420 a message board daily where we're actually engaging whether it's a signal thread or telegram

00:57:52.580 or whatever it might be going back and forth and then also final thing is two live in-person events

00:57:59.380 where you actually, you come out and it's free

00:58:02.740 because you're one of the top guys,

00:58:04.720 but you got to do travel, got to take care of your travel,

00:58:08.020 but you get out here and come to Georgetown, Texas

00:58:11.320 and twice a year, like a spring and fall,

00:58:14.340 spend like three days with us, a weekend,

00:58:17.080 join us for church on the Lord's Day,

00:58:18.460 but then spend like all Friday, all Saturday.

00:58:21.360 And whether it's in our homes, you know, whatever,

00:58:23.880 we rent a place, we're spending the whole day together,

00:58:27.660 talking getting to know each other personally strategizing hearing from you you hearing from us

00:58:33.440 um you know have some presentations maybe even fly out a few other guys you know that you would

00:58:38.460 recognize who are talking about the kinds of things that we're talking about some other big

00:58:42.680 names and so you get to meet them in person and and have a conversation do a bonfire and cigars

00:58:48.400 on friday and saturday night you know those kinds of things um so we we have big plans

00:58:53.680 um that we're excited about and building a culture building actual friendships because

00:59:00.320 the digital space is a blessing but but we need real life yeah relationships we need flesh and

00:59:08.180 blood where it's not just us talking you know in front of the camera behind a microphone but

00:59:13.240 no you're you're in my living room um and and we're uh having a conversation and having a drink

00:59:20.380 and i actually get to see you and i'm shaking your hand i know your name there's a friendship

00:59:25.560 and i realized like a lot of guys you know um they they put out more content we put out a lot

00:59:30.580 of content and so we're going to do these special series and you want early access you want ad free

00:59:35.620 well we're there's going to be a subscription um it'll be affordable but there will be a

00:59:39.660 subscription for that but what i've realized is that there there's a certain group of guys

00:59:43.860 that follow us and follow other guys like us they actually they don't want uh the content

00:59:49.360 what they really want is access yep it's access and and i'm not uh disparaging that at all i think

00:59:55.460 that that's honorable what you're saying is hey joel i love your content and i appreciate uh

01:00:01.360 everything that i get and yeah if you come out with some special series i'll i'll sign up you

01:00:05.620 know for 10 bucks a month in order to get it so i love the content um but i'd love to just

01:00:10.940 to know you and and and not just to know you because i get to know you a little bit by watching

01:00:16.620 the show, but I'd like for you to be able to know me. I'd like to shake your hand. I'd like to sit

01:00:23.040 down and have a coffee with you. And obviously there's only so much we can do because we have

01:00:28.880 wives, we have children, we have families, I have a church. So we have responsibilities,

01:00:33.920 but we're thinking of a strategic way to make that available. We can't make it available for

01:00:38.080 everyone. We just can't. I can't be personal friends with 10,000 people. But I could be

01:00:45.040 friends, have a real meaningful relationship, a message board, you know, in a signal thread on a

01:00:49.700 daily basis, a monthly Zoom call, two-person, in-person events for a weekend. And that's

01:00:55.020 enough to where it's like, no, you actually are friends. And I have enough capacity in my life

01:01:00.380 right now to where I could manage and would desire to, I want to, it'd be a benefit to me

01:01:05.720 to manage that level of real access, not just content, but access and relationship, friendship

01:01:10.920 with i would say about 50 to 100 people and so um so we're looking at doing that um and and putting

01:01:21.960 out there and and i know that some people are gonna be like that's insufferable you know you're

01:01:27.100 shilling um but but you do have to okay well how do you choose who gets to be the 50 or 100 people

01:01:32.540 and uh just being completely frank we we would choose the people who are are the most they have

01:01:38.080 the most skin in the game. They're invested. They're actually, they're the ones who are keeping

01:01:41.500 the lights on for us. They're the ones who ensure that I can pay my team and their salaries. They're

01:01:46.500 the ones who are making us bulletproof and uncancellable by supporting this ministry with

01:01:51.420 prayer, with encouragement, but also generosity. And so we're looking at rolling that out towards

01:01:56.720 the end of the year for 2026, a right response, top guys. And again, like giving a lot of value,

01:02:05.080 not just that it's just in word but indeed two in-person uh weekends um the the daily message

01:02:12.340 board the monthly zoom call and then a free book and of course the the um early access ad free with

01:02:19.460 the specials that we do and the sub stack that we'll be rolling out i'm giving a lot and i'll

01:02:24.620 probably give everybody on that also um all the top guys i would also give them my cell phone number

01:02:30.080 and so you're able to text me or you know maybe not just calling like hey what's your favorite

01:02:35.500 color like buddy the elf you know what's your favorite color i'll call you five so maybe you

01:02:39.260 know not for uh you know multiple phone calls a day but but like if you need me um you can call

01:02:44.540 me um and i am willing and even um excited about the prospect of doing that with a small group of

01:02:51.740 men who love this ministry and who are supporting us um so we want to provide that and so all that

01:02:57.840 back to uh this super chat my point is um number one answers in scripture thank you thank you thank

01:03:04.880 you from the bottom of my heart that's incredibly generous and incredibly kind and for you answers

01:03:09.820 in general uh and in scripture i want to say answers in genesis uh um but answers in scripture

01:03:15.760 for you and everyone else who's like you who's listening right now and what i described if that

01:03:21.420 appeals to you uh stay on the lookout uh we will make announcements uh towards the fall as we start

01:03:27.860 getting closer to thanksgiving and the end of the year and uh if that's what you're looking for if

01:03:32.860 you're saying dude i believe in you guys you've gone through controversy after controversy after

01:03:37.580 controversy you've proved your grit uh you prove that you're uh you're not just um a shooting star

01:03:44.320 that you're you've been around for uh years at this point and um and i know you're in it for the

01:03:49.920 long haul and that you're not going to compromise. You're not going to back down. So I want to

01:03:54.480 support you and I want more. I want more access. I want to know you. We're going to make something

01:04:01.460 like that available. And for those who are willing to support us monthly for a particular amount and

01:04:09.300 yet to be determined. And so if anybody's interested in that, even just in the comment

01:04:13.300 section, because I'm just curious, I'd like to get a pulse. If you guys could do me a favor,

01:04:17.440 If you're watching live right now, if you're one of those guys who are like, yeah, I would

01:04:20.960 support monthly to be a part of something like that, could you just say that in the

01:04:27.100 comments?

01:04:27.440 Just say, I'd like to be a top guy, or I'm interested in the top guy thing, or I want

01:04:32.380 to know more about the top guy thing.

01:04:35.300 We'd appreciate that.

01:04:36.420 It gives us an idea of, is this even a good idea?

01:04:39.320 If nobody's interested and it's not a good idea, then let the record show it was Wes's

01:04:43.700 idea.

01:04:44.100 but if people are interested and it is a good idea then uh then we'll do it and of course it

01:04:49.140 was my idea in that case all right we'll keep going all right can we get the super chats here

01:04:53.880 yeah back to the super chats daniel bardos 20 tuning in late we'll be hitting the reply thanks

01:04:58.800 rm keep up the good work thank you daniel really appreciate you in the chat bo cannington yeah

01:05:05.200 cannington 50 from bo very kind very generous do you think the overton window is finally shifting

01:05:11.440 right because the left hasn't started any major wars in decades since higher testosterone males

01:05:16.440 are more likely to die do you fear the left may change this soon god bless slash thank you that's

01:05:22.200 an interesting hypothesis that uh really you got woke culture out of you could say world war ii

01:05:27.260 korea which happened pretty rapidly after in vietnam even a little bit of the war on terror

01:05:31.480 i'm going to be on the record and say i don't think so those wars i just looked it up they

01:05:36.460 killed maybe half of 1% to like a 10th of 1%, like a 10th of a 10th of a percent across all of those

01:05:43.140 wars. It was a very small population. So if you're talking maybe, I don't know, Germany, I don't know

01:05:47.560 what percent of men, you're talking 20, 30% of fighting aged males, then that hypothesis might

01:05:52.920 definitely hold. I would say probably it's related to food, it's related to the environment.

01:05:57.540 When you have to remember, lead was in gasoline, I think through the 70s and the 80s. Lead had a

01:06:01.740 terrible impact on iq on health on longevity so my hypothesis war it's one possibility i think

01:06:08.260 honestly the environment that drove men's tea levels down i think that would definitely be

01:06:12.720 more to blame uh than just saying wokeness came as a direct direct result of a lot of our high

01:06:18.400 quality men dying in war interesting that's a great question though thank you yeah uh cnrb

01:06:25.760 1689 uh writes in uh five dollars thank you we appreciate that uh he says joel what would it

01:06:32.420 take for you to interview nick fuentes we've never gotten this question before no now we get this

01:06:37.480 question since wednesday we've got yeah not we have nothing personal yeah no no no it's fine you

01:06:41.980 i don't expect that everybody watches every episode that we do i i can barely remember every

01:06:47.500 episode that we've done um but we have gotten this question a few times uh so he's saying what

01:06:51.940 would it take for you to interview nick fuentes and he follows up um and adds a little more

01:06:56.320 specificity i think this is insightful uh he said would your reformed lens so my my reformed theology

01:07:03.140 framework uh clash with his catholic populism uh uh and if so would that be a blessing would it

01:07:11.300 bless or bruise the flock and i think he's probably in reference my local flock uh the church that i

01:07:17.480 pastor uh but but also he's probably thinking just christians um you know the flock of god in

01:07:23.420 the more universal sense so christians at large would it be a blessing for the church the capital

01:07:29.260 c church at large um for me to do an interview with nick fuentes and my answer is honestly i

01:07:36.760 don't know i don't know um so the first question is would you do it and my answer to that is yes

01:07:43.320 would it be a blessing my answer to that is well i would only do it because i think it has

01:07:48.800 a great potential to be a blessing um but i will be honest with everyone i don't want to sit here

01:07:54.720 and be deceitful um i don't i don't know how it would go uh you know like maybe it turns out that

01:08:00.100 it's not helpful uh but but i think that it would be and and i think part of the reason why to narrow

01:08:05.580 in on that a little bit is um because i if i did an interview with nick um it would be with a

01:08:14.360 purpose it would have a specific purpose so i wouldn't be interviewing nick to um to you know

01:08:22.700 ask him a ton of questions about catholicism right like um like we're gonna have uh for instance

01:08:28.700 we're gonna have dr uh charles taylor taylor marshall taylor marshall charles taylor i don't

01:08:33.560 know why i always i've done that i think multiple times now um taylor marshall i apologize uh so

01:08:38.520 dr taylor marshall uh some of you guys may recognize the name he's got a fairly large

01:08:43.240 following he's a catholic guy who who runs a podcast um i don't think he's a priest is he a

01:08:49.680 priest no he's not a priest but uh but devout catholic and we're gonna do an interview uh with

01:08:55.480 him uh this next week i was talking to him yesterday and this morning a little bit and i'm

01:09:00.500 excited about that. He's got a lot of great cultural commentary, a lot of great political

01:09:05.080 commentary, a lot of great put Israel in their place commentary. I appreciate that. He despises

01:09:13.140 dispensationalism. I too am a dispensationalist disrespecter. So a lot in common there, but

01:09:20.040 he's Catholic and he's not kind of Catholic. He's not cultural Catholic, just cradle Catholic. No,

01:09:26.040 he is devoutly convicted Catholic and, uh, and we'll probably talk about some of that,

01:09:31.040 but that's not the main point in having him on. Uh, but we will talk about some of that. But my

01:09:34.800 point as it goes back to Nick, um, there's other guys I think that, that I would interview to have

01:09:39.760 that conversation. So Dr. Um, Taylor Marshall is a great example. Um, or here's another one,

01:09:47.100 uh, Calvin Robinson. So he's not technically Roman Catholic, but he's trending that way

01:09:51.800 in that direction he's been anglo-catholic uh but the catholic piece uh looks like it continues to

01:09:57.220 grow and the anglo piece is continuing to shrink and we got a lot of flack for having him at our

01:10:01.820 conference uh earlier this year but uh we didn't back down and uh and we were honored to have him

01:10:06.960 with us he was a perfect gentleman um i i asked him hey you know this is what i'd like you to talk

01:10:13.260 about how a trash world in england great britain where he comes from and what you've witnessed and

01:10:18.920 how to stop it here um he didn't get up there behind the podium and uh and talk about being uh

01:10:25.880 based and mary pilled uh does he tweet that yes quite often he most certainly does um but but he

01:10:33.300 honored that that's his twitter account he does whatever he wants to do um but we had him speak

01:10:38.260 on a specific topic and he honored that and so so my point is if i want to talk about like catholic

01:10:43.820 doctrine um i'll get calvin robinson he's a friend and uh and has been kind i'll you know

01:10:50.440 i could get dr um um marshall taylor marshall taylor marshall i'll get him um you know so

01:10:57.880 there's other guys so my point is would it be a blessing to have nick well i think it depends on

01:11:02.500 how it goes uh depends on whether or not nick has breakfast that morning how's he feeling um

01:11:08.640 no it depends on on nick and i think nick would be very respectful i really do um but but then

01:11:14.400 secondly it depends what we talk about what's the purpose right are you are you having him just

01:11:19.180 because he's a big name or is there something really to talk about and um and i don't think

01:11:24.820 um a deep dive on the difference between protestantism and catholicism is the topic

01:11:30.360 for nick um i i would want to talk to him more about the plight of young men particularly young

01:11:36.000 white men in America. I would want to talk to him about cancel culture. I would want to talk to him

01:11:41.060 about politics, about geopolitics. I would want to talk to him about Israel. I would want to talk

01:11:47.240 to him about what he predicts, what he foresees as the future landscape, political landscape in

01:11:54.440 America. I would want to talk to him about political strategy. I would want to talk to him

01:11:59.760 about there's a lot of things um so i think if uh would i interview him yes and i've said that

01:12:06.020 before and and i've gotten plenty of flack and i don't care like all these people giving me flack

01:12:11.160 that you would interview nick fuentes i have friends who of course i'm not going to name

01:12:17.180 but they would in a heartbeat if they had the opportunity um sit down and do a podcast with

01:12:23.580 donald trump and not just because he's president they would have done it 11 years ago

01:12:28.060 in a heartbeat they would have said but he's influential like yes um he's you know had three

01:12:34.160 marriages and yeah he's an adulterer and yeah he he slept with a porn star and yeah um but they

01:12:39.380 would say but he's he's massively powerful and influential and blah blah blah and like um why

01:12:44.940 wouldn't i as a pastor want to have a conversation with a guy like that and talk to him about the

01:12:50.380 lord and and try to uh influence him but also hear from him learn from him and and his expertise and

01:12:56.320 uh-huh uh-huh yeah makes sense so why not nick why can't you talk to him he is the most influential

01:13:05.620 person with men under the age of 40 why would a pastor not talk to nick fuentes if you have the

01:13:13.080 opportunity i think that's foolish that's food and that and that is that's not a an objective

01:13:19.440 calculus that's not like well i've thought about it you know objectively and logically and i've

01:13:24.360 come to this conclusion that it would be bad for, you know, for the church. No, you're not thinking

01:13:29.420 about it objectively. You're just programmed. You're just, he's bad. He's icky. And I don't

01:13:37.240 want to lose friends. I don't want to lose the chief seats at the table. If I have Nick on the

01:13:43.180 show, I might not get invited to NatCon. Let's just be honest. That's, let's be real. That's what

01:13:49.980 it is. It's not a moral decision. It's not. It's not a biblical decision. It's a, I'm afraid of

01:13:56.920 what people will say decision. And if you've been following this ministry for even the last 15

01:14:03.400 minutes, you should know by now, I'm not afraid of what people will say. I'm not. So yes, we'd be

01:14:09.280 happy to do an interview with Nick Fuentes. And I believe that he would be respectful and kind.

01:14:15.540 and um and in terms of it being a benefit to the flock i'd only do it because i believe it has that

01:14:20.940 potential and i think a lot of that depends on what we talk about and um and i think he would

01:14:25.900 agree to talk about the things that that that i you know say hey nick i think this would be most

01:14:30.460 helpful and i think he would probably say oh okay that sounds good yeah let's talk about that so

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01:18:11.980 All right.

01:18:13.760 Caleb Visser, would that be the right way?

01:18:15.880 Caleb Visser sent $5, $5 Canadian dollars.

01:18:18.860 Thanks, Caleb.

01:18:19.400 Really appreciate it.

01:18:20.400 He asked this question.

01:18:21.680 How do you refute these topics

01:18:23.360 when you are told to read Old Dead Guys

01:18:25.560 by my elders in my church

01:18:27.180 and they are talking like you do?

01:18:30.600 That's a tough one.

01:18:31.280 you don't yeah not you don't read the old dead guys but like you don't refute these topics that's

01:18:38.740 i mean that's what it ultimately comes down to is you have to apart from convincing um every

01:18:45.420 single christian in america that christianity began in the 1940s apart from that then the

01:18:52.460 pendulum will swing back because anybody with eyes to see is going to start that's that's what

01:18:58.520 happened i think in many cases that that was a big part of it with dr stephen wolf yeah so like

01:19:03.680 stephen wolf wrote his book and a lot of guys myself included were not um in that theological

01:19:10.500 realm team we weren't on that team but he wrote his book and and the big thing that he did was

01:19:18.680 it wasn't just him espousing here's my idea but saying uh just just citing the whole corpus of

01:19:25.040 the reformed tradition calvin luther this guy this guy this guy this guy this guy this guy and

01:19:31.340 and as much as people tried they couldn't make it go away they couldn't make it go away and

01:19:36.800 and all of a sudden like within a couple of years stephen wolf became a household name for

01:19:43.780 many young reformed men and they're like yeah he stephen wolf has a monopoly on the political

01:19:52.380 philosophy of the reform the reformers so i think um if you go back uh then uh liberalism is done

01:20:02.720 you go back and people start reading old dead guys and it's uh it's it's over people will

01:20:10.440 realize oh this is the way that everyone has always thought you know there's an old expression

01:20:15.000 i'm going to change it a little bit but uh you know you have when it comes to history you have

01:20:21.000 two choices um you can believe what your enemies say about your ancestors or you can believe what

01:20:27.520 your ancestors say about your enemies yeah and and the reality is that um christians have an

01:20:35.160 obligation to believe the truth so if there is something that's clear and objective and you

01:20:41.360 believe that whichever way whichever direction the truth points even if it points unfavorably

01:20:46.240 towards your ancestors because let God be true and every man a liar. But in those things which

01:20:52.020 are highly contested and debatable or where there's a strong reason to think that the historical

01:20:58.560 record lied, then in those cases where it's unclear, I think that it is actually right and

01:21:06.020 in line with the fifth commandment to honor your father and mother to say, I'm not going to believe

01:21:10.600 what people who hate me and hate my children say about my ancestors instead i'm going to believe

01:21:17.240 what my ancestors said about these people right so you have one group of people who hate you

01:21:24.300 hate your wife hate your kids and they say um your great grandparents were dirty rotten racist

01:21:30.880 and then you have your great grandparents who say actually some of these foreign people

01:21:37.060 are not good to have in America.

01:21:41.020 I'm going to go with my great-grandparents.

01:21:43.340 I think they were right,

01:21:45.820 and the foreigners were wrong

01:21:50.420 about my great-grandparents.

01:21:53.620 I think practically, too, being read on a variety,

01:21:56.560 like if the only thing you say is,

01:21:58.060 but Luther wrote a book on the Jews and their lies,

01:21:59.780 but Luther, but Luther, but Luther,

01:22:01.400 if you're able to cite examples from different ages

01:22:03.740 and different times,

01:22:04.920 you're able to point to the early church,

01:22:06.320 the homilies that were read you're able to point to like Augustine to Calvin to Luther to Samuel

01:22:11.420 Rutherford when when you just bring to bear the weight here's the here's the reformers here's the

01:22:16.680 early church on feminism and like it's so many quotes from so many different guys in so many

01:22:20.860 contexts that's just undeniable I think that that really helps build the case versus like I have

01:22:26.720 Calvin I've memorized everything from Calvin but when we're talking about these topics all I can

01:22:30.360 offer is well Calvin said this well Calvin said that I think being broadly read and having a broad

01:22:35.120 kind of scope and even acknowledging like for example like the puritans the puritans were not

01:22:39.580 preterists as it refers to romans 11 right let's just straight up be honest say hey uh no some of

01:22:44.080 them and neither was calvin yep so be honest like they didn't necessarily hold my view this group of

01:22:49.420 people this contingent did maybe on the minority report maybe hopefully on the majority report

01:22:53.960 they're just being honest and broadly read gives you the best practical chances of hopefully a wise

01:22:59.200 older man going yeah actually now that that makes a lot of sense i see where you're where you're

01:23:03.880 coming from well said um and in in that vein uh thomas acorn uh and you know the book uh who is

01:23:11.940 my neighbor yeah is a great example of what you're describing of you know taking a massive

01:23:18.140 encyclopedia of virtually yeah grab it real quick it's virtually the entire western corpus

01:23:24.580 um and and arguing again and again so it's not just well john calvin um or martin luther uh but

01:23:31.580 it's arguing again and again and again how all of these guys down through the ages throughout all

01:23:37.420 of chrysidom throughout all of western civilization um believed and upheld the importance of natural

01:23:46.020 affections natural affections again and again this guy turitan says this you know and uh athanasius

01:23:53.560 says this augustine said this um again and again and again can you show them wes hold it up for

01:23:58.820 the camera just look at the look at the print size um yeah oh my goodness tiny print

01:24:03.880 yeah you get the idea show them the cover real quick and it's 600 pages 600 pages about a million

01:24:15.020 words on each page and uh and they have a um a hardcover now um and who who's the publisher i

01:24:22.900 forget western front books western front yeah we've they've been an advertiser they're great

01:24:27.880 uh based out of texas i believe yes yeah so great guys uh but even like the subtitle there it says

01:24:33.620 what encyclopedia of university acknowledged norms among all human societies now largely

01:24:39.120 forgotten right but up up there in that right corner top right corner encyclopedia of natural

01:24:44.220 relations right so it's like the whole thing is on one topic right natural relations and answering

01:24:50.100 that quintessential question of who is my neighbor um and in terms of like who is my first

01:24:57.520 devotion too. Um, and, and not just, well, I think this, and one other guy thought, no, this guy,

01:25:04.540 this guy, this guy, this guy, and century after century after century. And when, when you read

01:25:09.980 something like that, then when, when Owen Strand, you know, is twisting scripture and saying, well,

01:25:17.880 Jesus says those who do, you know, obey my commands are my mother and my brothers. And using

01:25:23.900 that to say um your kin and your countrymen uh don't matter at all literally we have no duty to

01:25:31.720 preserve our ethnicity right so yeah so when guys are twisting scripture like that that verse where

01:25:37.440 jesus jesus does say that that's the wrong application and they use that to basically say

01:25:42.820 like licking duncan that clip that's been going around where he says uh robert godfrey oh it was

01:25:48.100 robert godfrey oh that hurts that hurts yeah uh but robert godfrey saying um that basically america

01:25:54.700 you know in short order will not be white and that'll be a good thing yeah it was like a white

01:25:58.520 america needs to be done we need to be a multiracial society yeah yeah so when guys say that

01:26:03.980 and then they try to twist the words of jesus to support an anti-white um suicidal um agenda

01:26:13.960 it helps to be able to say hey you know what no one has ever thought this way in the history

01:26:21.140 of not just christendom but the world right until the last few decades you're wrong not because i

01:26:29.800 think you're wrong it's not me versus robert godfrey it is 600 pages of every christian

01:26:37.300 thinker for 2 000 years versus robert godfrey yeah that's powerful that your elders have the

01:26:44.240 hubris to look at it and go you have no point whatsoever then practically those aren't men

01:26:48.780 that you should be submitted you shouldn't there's a risk to your family if there's such pride to say

01:26:52.380 i'm gonna look at all of that and i am smarter well you're a proud man and i shouldn't be right

01:26:58.980 in that church well said okay and then philip nathaniel this is your friend the guy who we

01:27:03.120 we were saying he gave us a a mondo super chat uh a while back um he just gave us 20 more dollars

01:27:09.620 there's no message here but just giving us you know throwing us a bone we appreciate that philip

01:27:14.180 and uh please know we are praying for daughter right it's a girl daughter praying for your

01:27:18.960 daughter that she'll be able to uh to keep down sustance and that you guys get to go home soon

01:27:23.900 okay uh we had a couple questions that's all the super chats uh we always want to prioritize the

01:27:29.160 super chats we've got a couple questions that we just thought were uh really good and so we're

01:27:33.940 going to answer those and be done so west go ahead i'll pull out we'll pull out two here

01:27:37.220 this is from jared jared oh boy jared ali saneville uh something

01:27:45.100 okay yeah okay it does look a little bit like jared neville okay question is it prudent for

01:27:52.920 me to instruct my children to not date or have close black friends i live in the south where

01:27:57.600 their culture is in large measure highly degenerate um the problem probably is more the

01:28:03.880 context so for example like well my kid goes to public school so a lot of their peer group is this

01:28:08.560 and then my kid is in sports that's a lot of people that they're around and then their friends

01:28:11.700 are this and you're worried about the degenerate influence the degenerate influence in this case

01:28:15.980 it does happen to be sounds like black individuals the the degenerate influence the problem is all

01:28:20.620 the people that they're spending time around so in and of itself it's not as though well there's

01:28:24.200 a one-to-one correlation between every single black person and the degenerate behavior. And if

01:28:28.300 I cut all of that out, I would be perfectly fine. We could send them to plenty of public schools

01:28:31.880 that are terrible for them to be in. Now, so in this case, you're saying, hey, a lot of the culture

01:28:35.880 they're encountering, it's not good. And I think it'd be permissible, like Paul would probably say

01:28:40.060 to his children, if he had them, or to Titus to instruct, all right, you know, the Cretans,

01:28:45.000 they're brutes, they're beasts, they're liars, they're drunkards. Yeah, try to keep your kids

01:28:49.800 away from bad company so i think it's permissible to say but more importantly than just kind of

01:28:54.660 blanket categories i think would be well the only place my children are interacting with in this

01:28:59.280 case black people it's church it's homeschool it's co-op it's friends of the family and they're

01:29:03.380 all good people right that's more important than i think necessarily here's a category ban so you

01:29:08.280 can of course wisely say hey son you for one reason you shouldn't but like they're in public

01:29:13.140 school uh i your friends need to be from church and so don't befriend them you can do that

01:29:18.320 practically the best ways to set it up and so they're interacting with people that are already

01:29:21.820 people of good character yeah well said yeah it's remember um per capita so um there are

01:29:29.340 uh terrible white people and there are wonderful black people per capita yes black men commit more

01:29:36.940 crime um of course and and white women um or i'm sorry black women uh commit more crime than white

01:29:43.600 women and i think in terms of violent there's a couple homicides statistics where it's very

01:29:48.040 close if black women not even counting abortion commit murder at greater rates than white men

01:29:53.480 which is really age groups just just to put that into perspective that is astronomical because men

01:29:58.720 uh we are by design more aggressive um you know so like men are more predisposed when masculinity

01:30:06.860 goes awry um without self-control uh masculinity is uh like like exponentially more prone towards

01:30:16.760 violence than femininity but in the case and so this is really saying something in the case of

01:30:23.480 you know there's different statistics and it's close some will say you know that white men are

01:30:28.320 slightly above in terms of violent crime black women and then some say you know black women

01:30:32.720 slightly above white men but the fact that it's even debatable the fact that like you're at that

01:30:38.860 point you're talking about men and women yeah and and within the black community even the women

01:30:46.280 rival the men uh in the white community in terms of violent crime that i mean that is

01:30:53.740 that's just undeniable you have you have to do something with that and so all that being said

01:30:59.300 i think west gave um a great answer uh because again it's it's it's per capita so are there uh

01:31:05.680 there are plenty of white people i don't want my kids around and there are plenty of black people

01:31:09.920 that i do want my kids around so the question then is i i would go even just more generalized

01:31:15.180 um i i would say i i heard this said by someone um once and it really stuck with me i thought it

01:31:21.280 was really insightful and he said that the notion that our our children um young children and even

01:31:29.160 teenagers the notion that they need a lot of face time with their peers is is just wrong on its face

01:31:36.520 and it's a very novel um um idea uh like society um you know you think of like western civilization

01:31:45.580 has held for centuries that um young people children they need uh they don't need to be

01:31:53.180 influenced by other children they need to be shaped by maturity they need to be around adults

01:31:58.640 a young boy um he it's like oh you know what he needs uh my my you know 12 year old boy he just

01:32:06.720 needs like hours upon hours upon hours of time with a bunch of other 12 year old boys no he

01:32:13.920 doesn't he needs to be with men he needs to be um uprooted and and removed from uh the boyhood

01:32:23.160 influence because you're shaping him towards something so i would just say like with your

01:32:27.400 your children put your children in the proper context don't put your like you should not in

01:32:33.840 2025 if you're a christian your kids are in public school um you are making a serious mistake

01:32:39.860 i think that's very much so may not be the case we're not saying nor do you have any indication

01:32:44.180 he is yeah not with that's not with this guy who wrote in but i'm just saying as a general rule

01:32:48.340 your kids should not be in public school and uh and your kids should not be um just hanging out

01:32:54.360 with friends in the neighborhood that that are their age for hours and hours on end your kids

01:33:00.280 should be homeschooled or in a private christian classical school they should be in church they

01:33:07.060 should so that so basically what i'm saying is like my kids my kids do hang out with other kids

01:33:11.840 their age but they're kids from school christian school that's run by a church that's very like

01:33:17.160 minded or other families in our church and when they're around these kids it's always in a family

01:33:22.580 context it's our whole family is going to spend time with these these two or three other families

01:33:28.560 so mom and dad are right there and um and so in that scenario it's like if we've got a black

01:33:35.960 family in the church but they're they're covenant members in our church that's not um that's not

01:33:42.700 that black family is not listening to 50 cent right you know and driving an impala you know

01:33:48.360 and shooting up with spinners yeah that's not the kind of black family that that they're around

01:33:53.280 um no this is a god-fearing uh wonderful black family with wonderful black children

01:33:58.240 and uh and my children of course can be their friends but with those black children and the

01:34:03.440 white children in my church uh even then my children are not going to be spending you know

01:34:08.080 seven hours just you know in the backyard hanging out with them with no parental um supervision

01:34:14.280 even with like my kids are itty bitty so even at the age of three and four we have had a rule even

01:34:19.740 with families when when the mom and dad and me and my wife are in the house together having you

01:34:25.260 know a family's getting together doing a dinner or a play date or whatever it is even then at the

01:34:30.420 age of three and four we've had a rule um no going into the bedrooms or if you do no closing the door

01:34:35.780 why because my four-year-old is going to uh play uh spin the bottle no um but we just we want from

01:34:45.040 the very beginning for uh that there's certain places we don't go there's certain things we

01:34:49.660 don't do we're training them young um that uh no our children are not going they're the biggest

01:34:55.820 influence in their life will not be their peers i don't want children to be the biggest influence

01:35:01.340 in my children. I want God-fearing mature adults to be the biggest influence in my children.

01:35:08.420 I think that's the name of the game. Was there one more question you wanted to do?

01:35:11.800 Yeah. Can you pull it up, Nate? ChristServant7. I remember it. Good brother. There we go.

01:35:17.460 ChristServant7. What about those Christians? So this is in reference to your criteria for voting

01:35:21.240 and specifically not a felon. What about those Christians who have caught a felony

01:35:24.820 walking as a Christian? Truly, we have had this in our churches locally in Illinois. So he's

01:35:29.980 basically saying your criteria for voting is this imagine a christian man that meets every other

01:35:34.120 criteria but back during covid or back during blm the state came in and said you're a felon

01:35:40.520 because of and it was he was doing something good and right and biblical and sounds like he has a

01:35:44.720 literal example i would say like john mccarthur is a felon for opening this church yep exactly

01:35:50.100 we have legal categories for this they're called expungement and then a kind of lesser degree of

01:35:54.640 that is sealing records now the distinction is there are crimes that can't be sealed so think

01:35:59.540 of something that you'd have to register as an offender for. That's actually not a crime that

01:36:02.880 legally by law, someone can go in and expunge. Well, we're just going to take that off of your

01:36:06.360 record. However, in this scenario, if we're talking about, well, it was trespassing because

01:36:11.520 the state told you that you can't be in your business or you can't be in church or endangerment

01:36:15.720 of others, something, a lower level charge, still felon, still bad, but it's not, it's not

01:36:21.100 offenses against children. It's not violent manslaughter or something like that. I think a

01:36:25.320 civil magistrate to answer the question our nation changes drastically that man says hey

01:36:29.720 10 years ago during covid i took a stand can i have this felony removed i think a wise godly

01:36:36.640 magistrate says absolutely and we have that system and we we use it use that tool you take the record

01:36:43.020 and you take that out and say uh this wasn't actually valid and you no longer are considered

01:36:47.720 a felon in this category now in a past life you literally murdered someone he got off the hook

01:36:52.980 there's no retributive justice the state's not coming in throwing him back in jail he comes says

01:36:57.640 hey can i get this off my record so i can vote i think the state has responsibility to say we're

01:37:02.080 glad that you're a christian now we're glad you meet the other criteria you're married you're

01:37:05.800 net taxpayer but actually no we're not going to take you off of this because the seriousness of

01:37:10.540 this was not simply something i this was weaponized against me i truly didn't do anything wrong by the

01:37:15.620 bible standards yeah that's a great answer and then for those things that should not be expunged

01:37:20.740 like what you meant you know like murder or um or you know some kind of serious assault you know

01:37:26.980 or something sexual um in those cases um we would just say that like if you're talking about you

01:37:33.720 know the guy was a non-believer you know and then years later was converted and now has been walking

01:37:38.500 with the lord for you know a decade and and his you know his crime is 20 years removed um we would

01:37:45.040 to say in those cases um absolute full pardon and forgiveness uh in terms of his standing before god

01:37:53.460 on the basis of the finished work of jesus christ but there are still temporal consequences

01:37:58.620 right so um and that matters um so um your salvation the fact that you're um a christian

01:38:06.880 now that means you are a new creature in christ jesus which is incredible and it's that's real

01:38:13.300 that is a real change you are a new creature in christ jesus um but salvation does not take away

01:38:21.680 the temporal consequences it doesn't it doesn't change that and so um those things would remain

01:38:28.440 and you would be a god-fearing christian doing a lot of good in the world for your country

01:38:33.780 but who's unable to vote and that's okay yep all right thanks for tuning in we hope that this has

01:38:39.960 been helpful for you we hope you have a wonderful weekend um on sunday on the lord's day you better

01:38:45.920 be in church uh even if your church uh is not great um find a good church if you can't find one

01:38:53.820 though it's it's just it's vital go and worship with the saints keep trying keep searching keep

01:38:59.480 looking for a church um your butt needs to be in a pew on the lord's day uh worshiping with

01:39:06.140 christians even christians you disagree with uh that is the beauty of the body of christ is that

01:39:11.780 we are one in christ jesus even with brothers and sisters who are wrong even on things that matter

01:39:17.740 but no man is an island so go to church this sunday i want to see uh in the chat on monday

01:39:25.620 on the live stream i want to see people saying got back from church i was in church yeah i uh

01:39:30.880 I've been driving a golf cart in the neighborhood recently and the kids love

01:39:35.880 it and we're just cruising and I'm tempted like,

01:39:39.280 cause when I drive it,

01:39:40.080 there's something and this is not really my normal nature,

01:39:43.700 but something just comes over me where I feel like I need to have like a vest

01:39:48.100 and a whistle around my neck,

01:39:49.920 like a,

01:39:50.160 like full hall monitor status.

01:39:52.420 I want to just be driving through the neighborhood,

01:39:54.500 you know,

01:39:54.860 and just see somebody blowing the whistle.

01:39:57.860 Hey,

01:39:58.720 crisis King.

01:40:00.460 Hey,

01:40:00.880 Christ is king

01:40:01.740 go to church

01:40:02.540 it's the Lord's Day

01:40:03.680 Lord's Day tomorrow

01:40:04.880 better see you

01:40:05.600 Lord's Day tomorrow

01:40:06.120 if it's the Lord's Day

01:40:06.960 then I'm not going to be

01:40:07.660 on the golf cart

01:40:08.280 but maybe the day before

01:40:09.400 you know prepping the neighborhood

01:40:10.640 for the Lord's Day

01:40:11.580 hey

01:40:11.800 Christ is king

01:40:12.660 better be in church

01:40:13.460 sun's going down

01:40:13.940 get that meal ready for tomorrow

01:40:15.280 that's right

01:40:15.600 get the meal ready

01:40:16.480 Sabbatarian

01:40:17.620 alright well thank you guys

01:40:19.000 for tuning in

01:40:19.560 we appreciate it

01:40:20.380 and we will see you again

01:40:21.880 Lord willing

01:40:22.540 on Monday

01:40:30.880 Thank you.

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