THE LIVESTREAM - Andrew Tate Clueless Christians
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Andrew Tate is everywhere, apparently even in Christian middle schools. To some, he s a symbol of strength and success, a man who s got it all, money, power, and influence. To others, a dangerous voice tapping into the frustrations of young men in a society that s lost its grip on masculinity. Is he right? Should we agree with his version of manhood, or is there perhaps something deeper, something biblical, that s missing from the conversation?
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Andrew Tate is everywhere, apparently even in Christian middle schools.
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To some, he's a symbol of strength and success, a man who's got it all, money, power, and
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To others, he's a dangerous voice tapping into the frustrations of young men in a society
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Should we agree with Tate's version of manhood, or is there perhaps something deeper, something biblical, that's missing from the conversation?
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Today, we're pulling back the curtain on what this phenomenon reveals about masculinity in America, and especially masculinity here in the American church.
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All right. I'm going to shoot you straight right here from the outset. This is a conversation
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that the evangelical school moms will not appreciate. If you are hate watching,
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God bless you. Welcome. We appreciate you triggering the algorithm on our behalf. You're
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doing the Lord's work. We couldn't do this without you. This ministry would barely even be known if
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it was not for the rank feminist within the church, also known as complementarian women,
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typically above the age of 55. So Lord bless you. I personally thank you from the bottom of my heart
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two years ago. Nobody knew who I was. You made that happen and you deserve the credit. And I
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want to recognize you here from the outset of this episode. That said, you will most undoubtedly
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hate this episode. We are going to say things that are biblically true and faithful to God
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first and foremost. Some of those things you will agree with. Many of those things you will not agree
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with because what we're going to explore from the scripture in regards to masculinity will not be
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the full takedown of figures like Andrew Tate that you want because I believe that many people within
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the evangelical church are out of step with what the Bible actually teaches about masculinity.
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Are there problems with Andrew Tate? No duh. Is the sky blue? Is the grass green? Of course.
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the dude is a muslim he's a muslim which to be frank if he had made a better choice a few years
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ago and truly repented of some of his failures and not just clarified and not just explained
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right and for the record who else does that evangelical pastors right never issuing an
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apology just to actually i apologize for you misunderstanding me let me clarify i'm not going
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to apologize i'm going to clarify because the problem is on your ability to interpret what i
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said and not the fact that I'm actually saying something now that directly contradicts what I
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said before. So Tate did not apologize. From what we see, there doesn't seem to be genuine repentance
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or any of those things. However, we tolerate a lot of American pastors who seem to do the very same
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thing. Now, there are problems, like I already stated. He's a Muslim. If he had chosen a few
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years ago to repent of his sin, to publicly acknowledge it, which he did, but with real
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godly sorrow and not merely worldly sorrow and to embrace christ and christianity um and not
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islam well i think that andrew tate could have been mightily used by the lord to take over the
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world um towards christendom and to inspire many young men in a positive way i think there has been
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some positive inspiration i think there's been a lot of negative inspiration but it could have
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been incredibly positive had he joined the christian faith but i want to say this part of
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the reason that he didn't and we need to be honest about this as christians part of the reason he
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didn't is because the options laid bare before him during that moment of his life when he began
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to consider religion and embracing a religion the options laid before him at least here in the west
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and particularly here in america as it pertains to the christian religion option were incredibly
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fake gay effeminate weak it wasn't it was not a robust historic biblical masculine christianity
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and so islam seemed a whole lot more masculine when andrew tate was making this choice than
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christianity did and you might say well wait a second i thought that you were reformed i thought
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that you believed in the sovereignty of god yes when it comes to the ultimate reason for anyone's
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conversion the ultimate reason is always the sovereign perfect unconditional election of God
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but God works through means right so if we say so and so came to saving faith and they did so
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because God elected them before the foundations of the world were laid then yes and amen if we
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also say so and so came to saving faith in Christ and they did so because so and so another person
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shared with him the gospel doing the work of an evangelist and they heard that news with faith
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and put their trust in Jesus? Both answers are true. Those answers, they can both be true not
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because of embracing relativism. They can both be true because they're not in contradiction.
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There are two explanations. One is the human agency, the secondary causes, and then one is
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primary and ultimate and eternal, God's agency. God's agency is first, it's initial, it's ultimate,
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but the human agency is true as well. Why does God save certain people? Why does God do certain
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things. One, because he's sovereign and he ordains all which comes to pass. Two, because he works
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through means in the created cosmos, which he established, and he works primarily through human
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agency. So he works sovereignly of his own account, but also through the prayers of the saints,
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the evangelism of the saints. And so too, I believe that number one, Andrew Tate, as it currently rests,
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is not, as far as we know, a born again believer because God sovereignly has chosen thus far not
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to save him. That's the ultimate answer. It is not the exclusive answer. It is also true to say
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he is currently not a Christian in part in the realm of secondary causes and human agency because
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the church here in America and the West at large has presented to men like Andrew Tate a Christianity
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that is feminized and it is repulsive to any man with any degree who can even show up on a reading
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of any testosterone whatsoever. Any guy who has testosterone in his veins is repulsed at some
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level with Christianity. And many of those guys, because God is merciful and gracious,
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do still come to saving faith, but they come despite the feminism in the church,
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not because of it. And to illustrate this point, I want to start by showing you not Andrew Tate
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and the things that he said. We'll get into some of those things a little bit later in the episode.
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But first, I want to criticize the church, which I'm a part of, that judgment begins
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I want to start with my people, with my community first.
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As an evangelical Christian pastor, I want to begin not with what Tate has said, but
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the way that the church has responded and reacted.
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And if you're wondering in terms of the timing, just to give a little bit of context and some
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of the narrative here, a little bit of the chronological sequence of events.
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Tate pops up in the public discourse like a yo-yo, just keeps coming back up again and again and again and again. But this specific time, the most recent time over these past few days, the reason, as far as I can tell, is because Benny Johnson, who was a part of Big Con, or Big Conservative Inc., I like to call it Big Con, he announced that he's going to be having Andrew Tate on his show.
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You're Ben Shapiros, you know, these kinds of guys.
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You can count on the church to always be, you know, behind the culture, not leading anything, at least not for the last 50 to 130 years.
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The church used to set the culture as it followed and encouraged the spirit of God.
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But because we've relinquished that courage, we are now behind the culture, following the culture.
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So, the church got into this discourse over the last few days, not leading the discourse,
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Benny Johnson said, I'm going to have, you know, Andrew Tate come on the show.
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Big con, big conservative ink outside of the church world that's not necessarily distinctly
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They started to throw a fit, and then Christian pastors said, oh, what is the conservative
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And then we followed suit, and then it trickled down to all the school marms within the evangelical
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church, and now we're having this conversation. So let me show to you, I'm going to give three
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different examples of responses. These are all from Christians, and at least one of them is a
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Christian pastor. Here's the first tweet. We'll pull it up on the screen. I'll read it for your
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listening enjoyment. He says this. This is a Christian leader. Want to be a real man? Here
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is what to watch for and the true key to manhood. He then begins to quote scripture. Here's the
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scripture but evil men and imposters will grow worse and worse deceiving and being deceived
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but you must continue in the things which you have learned which you have learned and been
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assured of knowing from whom you have learned them and that from childhood you have known the
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holy scriptures which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in christ
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Jesus. Then back to his commentary, the tweet, all scripture is given by inspiration of God
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and is profitable. Actually, this is more scripture. I apologize. All scripture is
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given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction,
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and for instruction and righteousness that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped
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for every good work. Then another Christian responded. This is a Christian leader who said
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this. And he responded, the guy, the initial post is quoting 2 Timothy 3, verses 13 through 17. So
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this is the Apostle Paul underneath the inspiration of the Holy Spirit writing to one of his dear
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sons in the faith, a young pastor by the name of Timothy, and giving him counsel. It's good
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counsel. It's biblical counsel. It's inscripturated. We agree with it 100%. But in the comment section
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underneath this tweet, another Christian, he responded by saying, what should my sons take
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away from this that's any different than what my daughters should take away? Or is the true key to
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womanhood exactly the same as the true key to manhood? A fantastic question. A fantastic
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question. Essentially, this is the play that I have witnessed again and again and again for years now
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within the evangelical church here in America and in the West in a general sense. The play is this,
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every single time the topic of biblical manhood comes up, the counsel and advice that's immediately
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given by Christians and even Christian leaders and Christian pastors is something that you could
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apply to your sons just as easily and just as much relevant of an application to your daughters.
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there's nothing distinctly masculine about it and that leads us really to the next couple of
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tweets so let's go ahead and pull up the second tweet now we have this it's from one of my friends
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eric khan who is a pastor he's a christian and he speaks about manhood and he's one of the few
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christian pastors who speaks about manhood in a way that is both biblical and actually
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masculine he talks about manhood in a manly way he says the following a pietist pay a play to
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watch out for here it is real masculinity is dot dot dot parentheses list spiritual qualities that
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a woman or child could do close quotation marks close parentheses then the next thing he says
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it's not about list genuine masculine competencies virtues and skills that throughout history have
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been markers of authentic masculinity, close parentheses, close quotations. Essentially what
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Eric is saying is this, the pietist play within the evangelical Western church that you need to
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watch out for is this, guys will essentially say real masculinity is X, Y, Z, and X, Y, Z, be assured
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will represent some kind of spiritual characteristic that is good, that is biblical,
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but it is not distinctly or uniquely for men it's something for all christians whether you're a man
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whether you're a woman whether you're a child whether you're a grandma or grandpa or an aunt
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or an uncle or anybody so people say true biblical manhood and then they'll quote galatians chapter
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five is the fruit of the spirit love joy peace well the fruit of the spirit is not distinctly
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or exclusively masculine the fruit of the spirit is for all belief because it's the spirit and the
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Spirit does present himself as the third member of the Trinity in masculine ways and using masculine
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pronouns. We have God the Father, God the Son, and He, not it and certainly not she, but He,
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the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is a person. He presents himself as a masculine person using the
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masculine pronouns. But the fruit of the Spirit is not exclusive for men. The fruit of the Spirit
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is for every single believer, whether they be a man, woman, or child, that is filled with
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the Holy Spirit. If you are a believer, your body is now a temple of the Holy Spirit. The Spirit of
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God, third member of the Trinity, dwells within you. The indwelling ministry of the Spirit and
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the fruit, that is the visible characteristics and manifestations of the Spirit, now are going
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to be manifest in your life, whether you're a male Christian or a female Christian. Love, joy,
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peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, faithfulness, and self-control are both for women
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and for men but that's the play that's what you'll hear you'll hear from evangelical pastors they'll
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say well true biblical masculinity is blank and the blank that they'll offer is something that
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is biblical it is from scripture but it's some particular scripture or biblical principle that
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applies it's not gender specific it applies to both men and women equally alike and then what
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they'll say if that was not enough they'll then say in the reverse and the counter they'll say
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so true biblical masculinity is this general biblical principle that's for men and women alike
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and what's not true biblical masculinity then they'll get specific with things that are actually
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masculine traits they'll say ambition discipline um uh aggression strength right these kinds of
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things that's that's not what biblical masculinity is about i mean how many books have you read
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they say biblical masculinity it's not about being able to change the oil on your car it's not about
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being fit and strong when you go into the gym it's not about you know taking the next hill and
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having ambition and having to drive it's not about any of those things what is it actually about
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it's about gentleness you know because jesus was gentle you bet you he was gentle 100 of the time
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and he exercised the fruit of the spirit that is gentleness full of the holy spirit says john
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chapter two fool the holy spirit and exercising spiritual gentleness perfectly as he fashions a
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whip out of cords begins to throw over tables of the money changers in the temple begins to whip
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people and screams and yells in their faces and drives them out of the temple because zeal not
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just mr rogers you know level-headedness and even keel but zeal zealous masculine zeal for his
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father's house consumed him that is gentleness as gentleness is exercised through a christian
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man men are different than women first peter first peter chapter three in describing women it says
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what's the chief characteristic of women and godly women even or especially i might say a godly woman
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she is chiefly depicted as one who contains beauty, not strength. The Proverbs say again and
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again, what is the power of a young man? What's the defining characteristic of young men? Young
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men are strong. Strength. Men, strength. Women, beauty. It's not the same descriptive noun that's
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describing. It's a different one. It's distinct. For women, it's beauty. For men, it's strength.
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And then even furthermore, in 1 Peter 3, well, what kind of beauty?
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Well, not merely outward beauty, beauty of the hair or makeup or these kinds of things,
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but first and foremost, in the sight of God, the feminine beauty that makes a woman of
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God, a godly woman beautiful in the sight of God, is not an outward beauty, but beauty
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And what is inward beauty of the heart for women, a feminine inward beauty?
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The Bible does not say that the strength of a man, what makes a man a godly masculine
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man is having inwardly a quiet and gentle spirit.
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No, that is actually one of the places in scripture that's speaking that it's not genderless,
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something that applies to both men and women equally, but that one is gender specific.
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what makes a woman godly beauty what kind of beauty inward what's inward beauty what does
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that look like quietness and gentleness quietness and gentleness the same person who who um you know
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the same holy spirit divine person who inspires this text in first peter chapter 3 also inspires
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the apostle paul in first corinthians 14 when he says it is shameful it is shameful for a woman
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to speak in church but she must remain silent silent in keeping in step with what with beauty
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not mere subjugation there is a spirit of submission but it's also beauty now let's go
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ahead and pull up the last tweet here the last tweet because this is the play eric khan is
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absolutely right it's the pietist play and if you're not familiar with that word if you're
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tuning in maybe for the first time, piety, P-I-E-T-Y, piety and Christian tradition is a
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positive thing. What is piety? Well, it's personal holiness. It's somebody who's practicing personal
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spiritual disciplines in their life, like scripture reading and study and prayer and fasting and
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generosity, almsgiving to the poor and those who are in need. That's piety. It just means holiness.
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So piety is a good and positive thing that all Christians should pursue.
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Pietism, like most words, when you add the ism at the end, the ISM, becomes something negative.
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Pietism is, it's pie in the sky, it's head in the clouds, it's the old expression,
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the old adage, if you've ever heard of it, being so heavenly-minded that you're no longer any
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earthly good. It's the tendency, the incessant, insufferable tendency to over-spiritualize
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everything, right? Well, the answer to everything is just preach the gospel, right? If you have an
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intruder in your home, well, I mean, just preach the gospel even harder. Well, you can preach the
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gospel when you're standing over that intruder after shooting them twice in the chest, then
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preach the gospel. If he's still alive, maybe he comes to saving faith, and that's great,
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and he can go and be in heaven. But the first thing you do is you protect your wife and kids
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with your God-given duties as a man by not sitting there and trying to persuade him for 30 minutes
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with a gospel presentation, but by simply putting two in his chest. That is a good,
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masculine Christian response, and that's not in conflict with preaching the gospel. That's not in
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conflict with biblical masculinity whatsoever. It's good and right. Pietism over-spiritualizes
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everything. In some ways, it's distinct, but it's similar and linked to Gnosticism. Gnosticism,
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again, is an over-spiritualization where the physical doesn't matter at all. You're 300 pounds
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and you preach on the Lord's day. Well, as long as your exegesis is correct, as long as it's
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a good sermon, your physical life is of no account. It doesn't really matter at all. The
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physical doesn't matter at all. Biblically speaking, that's wrong. Every single day of
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creation, when God makes something, at the end of it, he says, it is good. It is good. It is good.
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God has compassion on all he has made within the physical cosmos. God loves the physical world,
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even our own bodies. We're called to exercise stewardship over our physical bodies. Paul,
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when he's writing, again, to another young man in the faith, he says this. He says that
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spiritual training, that's ultimate, that has the most value. But then he says physical training is
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still of some value. So he's able to triage, prioritize and say, yeah, the spiritual and
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eternal matters more, but the spiritual mattering more does not mean the physical doesn't matter
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at all. We don't get that these days. We've over-spiritualized everything. Maybe it's just
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because of the soy levels in our food. We're trying to make excuses for the fact that we're
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all out of shape. But that's what Christians in the West have done, is we over-spiritualize
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everything to where it's perfectly fine. The physical world around us, politics, culture,
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being in shape, health, all these things, we're ultimately just justifying the physical world,
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going to hell in a handbasket, because we console ourselves by saying that the spiritual is all
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that matters. Okay, I'm ready for the third tweet now. Let's bring it up. Here it is. This last one
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is from a Christian pastor. The previous one was Eric Kahn. He's a Christian pastor. He's a friend.
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I agree with him. This is a Christian pastor that I had never heard of before yesterday,
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and this is a Christian pastor who I'm sure is great in many regards, but in this particular
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regard, I do not agree with him. I could not possibly disagree any more than I do. I radically
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and vehemently disagree. So he says Esau was a paragon of modern masculinity. He was hairy,
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the Bible says, probably had a great beard, a hunter, very manly, not a mama's boy. He's thinking
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of Jacob. Jacob was not a mama's boy. I don't have time to get into that, but not a mama's boy. He
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was a man's man if there ever was one. And then he quotes scripture. This is Hebrews. See to it
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that there'd be no immoral or godless person like Esau, close quotations. And then his final
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statement, maybe those things aren't biblical manliness after all. Yeah. And then of course,
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he was thinking, yeah, he thought he was cooking. Allie Bestucki, of course, loved it. She came out,
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you know, radical feminist. She loved it. She was a good point. No, that's not a good point.
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see to it that no one is immoral or ungodly like Esau the two key words there is immoral and
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ungodly notice what's not said and the author to the Hebrews under the inspiration of the Holy
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Spirit he does not say see to it that no one is masculine like Esau or no one is hairy like Esau
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or nobody has a beard like Esau or nobody hunts game like Esau no the thing to avoid says the
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author to the Hebrews in God's holy writ is, don't be immoral like Esau. Don't be ungodly like Esau.
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And then that text goes on. What was it that was immoral about Esau? Well, you know, he was a
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hunter and God hates hunting. No, what was immoral about Esau is that he despised his birthright,
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that he counted his own heritage as though it was nothing, that he had the birthright and he was
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the heir to his father in a covenantal sense that he was going to be the heir to his father and
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receive the blessing from his patriarch, from the fathers. And he despised it. He didn't care
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about family. He didn't care about heritage. He didn't care about blessing. He didn't care about
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future. He didn't care about calling or responsibility or any of these things. But at
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the end of the day, he cared more about a bowl of soup. He was a man who was not in control. He had
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not mastered his own passions. He was hungry, and in a moment of temptation and physical weakness,
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hunger, he was not able to master his own physical appetite in a moment in order to prioritize his
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indefinite future. That moment of satiating his physical hunger was more substantial, more
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important to him, and prioritized over a lifetime of blessing and royalty and kingly nobility of
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receiving the blessing and the birthright, which he despised. That's what made him immoral. And I
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can make argument after argument that those things are actually not, are those things too masculine
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and it's being too masculine that equates to immorality and ungodliness, but those things
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are actually effeminate. It is the sheer absence of masculinity. It is him not being a man because
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a man is able to discipline his body. Paul, the apostle elsewhere in scripture says, I beat my
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flesh and make it my slave. That Paul, in a masculine way, he's able to master his own
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fleshly passions, which Esau did not. So it's the effeminacy and the absence of biblical masculinity
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and Esau that actually causes him to be known now as the immoral and ungodly man. So this is a
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terrible, terrible take. So all that being said, I'm going to give it to both Michael Belch and
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Wesley Todd. I've talked enough, but my main point is this. When we talk about gender in the church,
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when we talk about men and women, Eric Kahn, he hit the nail on the head. What we incessantly do
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without fail, without fail, is we say, you want to be a real man? And then we cite a scripture
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that applies just as much to women as it does men. And then we say, and what you don't need to do,
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and then we begin describing unique masculine traits.
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What you don't need to do is work out and be strong.
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What you don't need to do is have zeal and ambition.
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What you don't, but then when we give advice to women,
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when we give advice to women, we don't tell women,
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You wanna be godly and beautiful in the sight of the Lord?
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and don't ever speak in church why because it's shameful for a woman to speak in church
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that's not me interpreting scripture that's me quoting scripture we don't give that advice to
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women instead the advice we give to women is the in the practical realm is the exact exact
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practical advice that just 30 40 and especially 50 years ago would have been the common sense
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advice given by every father to his son, right? What are women encouraged to do now? In the church,
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in little women, seven-year-old little girls in Sunday school, in church, the advice that they're
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given is, you know what, you should really take charge more. Be more ambitious. Be more outgoing.
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Exercise more confidence. Be more confident. Stand up for yourself. We're literally telling women
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little women young girls in the church i'm not talking about vogue magazine i'm talking about
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sunday school in evangelical christian churches here in these united states of america the advice
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being given is the exact advice back in the 50s and 60s and even a little bit in the 70s that a
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father would have given to his son and meanwhile the advice that we give to boys is you know what
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and especially to their parents he seems a little distracted maybe if we chemically castrate him with
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some drugs you know or we just need to teach him a little bit more about gentleness and quietness
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we literally take the verse of the bible given to describe feminine beauty inward feminine beauty
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that is beautiful in the sight of god in first peter three that's distinctly uh prescribed to
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women and we prescribe that to men and we start young when they're boys we say you know what what
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does a boy need to learn? He needs to learn to be gentle. And he needs to learn to be quiet. And he
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needs to learn to be still. We need to encourage young boys to be beautiful women, according to
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God's word given to women in 1 Peter 3. That is the current state of the discourse. And that is,
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in a nutshell, pretty much all the reactions that we've seen on X and elsewhere on social media,
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Instagram I don't even go on Instagram we don't we don't hardly do any we used to post on Instagram
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we stopped about a year ago because this is what I realized Instagram is a social media platform for
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women and so naturally I am not very appreciated in a place like that and so we primarily try to
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stick to other social media platforms but I have no doubt on Instagram certainly I saw it on X
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for the last few days Benny Johnson said I'm going to have Andrew Tate he's a part of big
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conservative inc big con so all the big con guys ben shapiro they come out how could you this is
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detestable this is you know blah blah blah and then of course that trickled down to the evangelical
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conservative conservative is in quotation marks here if you're just listening the conservative
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evangelical pastors they then followed suit with ben shapiro and said yeah we don't like it either
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this is terrible it's not biblical and we got all the hot takes uh that you know in the name of
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biblical fidelity that are not biblical at all, that essentially all boil down to the same thing.
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When it comes to being masculine, you should do the things that the Bible says that apply equally
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to men and women. And what you should avoid is the things that are actually distinctly manly.
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That's where we're at. My point is this. If you don't like Andrew Tate, evangelical church,
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you created him andrew tate is frankenstein well no he's the monster and the evangelical church
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you are frankenstein dr frankenstein he is your creation nature abhors a vacuum and in a vacuum
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a complete absence of masculinity in a guy gynocracy in a world run by women where we just
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watched Pete Hedgewith being, you know, Hedgeth in the American longhouse with all the school
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marms, you know, your Elizabeth Warren and all these people, you know, the cackling hens, you
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know, for hours just sitting there, you know, his eyes, you know, he had to close them because they
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were probably rolling so far back in his head, you know, that it was going to endanger, jeopardize
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his chances of, you know, being approved. We just watched that. Every man, every man with even an
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ounce of masculinity and testosterone coursing through his veins. He watches that. They watch
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Pete and they say, I've been there, been there, been there. I know that feeling. It's on that
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backdrop, in that context of absolute rank feminism in every single realm of American
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culture, including the Christian church, that's where you get. Nature abhors a vacuum. That's
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where you get Andrew Tate. Is Andrew Tate biblical? No. Is he a great example of biblical masculinity?
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no but there is masculinity there there is masculinity it is and here's the deal the rubber
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band has been stretched too far for too long and what we are currently witnessing at every level
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is it's snapping back at rapid speed globalism snapping back to nationalism feminism snapping
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back to patriarchy there will be a return to masculinity there will nature abhors a vacuum
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we have been feministic for too long and feminism doesn't work stupid doesn't work and so eventually
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nature is healing it's restored and so here's here's the reality it's not whether but simply
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which we will have a return to nationalism it'll either be islamic national nationalism judeo
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nationalism pagan nationalism or christian nationalism we will have a return to patriarchy
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It'll either be Andrew Tate patriarchy, or it will be Christian, biblical patriarchy.
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And if you want to make sure that Andrew Tate wins, then keep giving the advice, Christian
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pastors in America, that you've been giving.
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You are ensuring, because masculinity is inevitable.
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And you can either try to stand in the gap and create a third way of complementarianism
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to stem the tide and get just completely run over and then there'd be no christian alternative
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no christian version of patriarchy to choose and tate standing there alone as the only example
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of masculinity flawed although as flawed as he is but the only example of masculinity that there
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even is and so naturally the only option will be the one that's chosen so it'll either be that
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or some Christian men will go and fill in the gap and say, Tate, his instincts are actually right.
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They're debased. They're debased and corrupted by sin and the absence of Christ. But the raw
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instincts in the natural realm are actually correct. And here is the Christian version.
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everything you love about Tate, but elevated and restored by grace instead of debased by sin.
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Here is Christian masculinity. Here is biblical patriarchy. It'll be that. And if there's that,
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then there were many young men by the grace of God who will choose biblical patriarchy
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over Andrew Tate pagan patriarchy or Islamic patriarchy. But if Christian men stay in the
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longhouse and their churches continue to be ruled ultimately by the boomer women within their ranks,
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the shadow elders, they're not in complementarian churches. They're not actually an elder. They
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don't actually have the title. They don't actually preach on the Lord's day, but they do call the
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shots. They do run the show. If churches in the West, churches in America, even the conservative
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churches continue to be run by the shadow elders and the male pastors in those places subject
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themselves to them and try to keep the donor base happy and refuse to be too masculine and therefore
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present the Christian masculine alternative, then Andrew Tate will be the only thing left on the
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menu. And it will be chosen because it'll be the only option there is in town. And masculinity
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is inevitable. What's not inevitable is Christian masculinity. It doesn't have to be Christian. The
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world actually, as atrocious as it was, human sacrifices with the Aztecs and the Mayans and
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you've got the Nordic Vikings and all these kind of things, the world actually functioned for
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thousands of years without Christian masculinity. But it has never functioned for less than a
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century without masculinity at all. The world only works. Nature is God, God is nature, that
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whole premise. The world only works when it functions according to the natural order that
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God designed. God made the world. God will not be mocked. A man will reap what he sows. God has
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installed patriarchy into the fabric of the world that he made. Father rule. That's all patriarchy
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means. The world was created by the Father, the Heavenly Father, and he has chosen to structure
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the world in such a way that men will ultimately lead. So the world will not be able to function
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long-term with feminism. It will revert back to masculinity, to patriarchy. But what the world can
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do, it won't be pretty, but what the world has done before for thousands of years and can do again
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if Christians don't get into the ring and fight for a biblical option is the world will return
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to masculinity. It just won't be Christian masculinity. It'll be Viking masculinity. It'll
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be raw pagan masculinity. It'll be Darwinian masculinity. It'll be Islamic masculinity,
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but it will be masculinity. And what I'm trying to advocate for is I would like to see it be
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Christian. But Christian masculinity will not be the choice that's chosen if it's not even one of
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the options listed on the menu, because all the Christian men have somehow decided that masculinity
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Well, what's fascinated me about this whole conversation is the response, right?
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And I had a little bit more evidence that I was going to show from Twitter and X.
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I'll go through this pretty quickly, but Nate, you can put some of these up.
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What's interesting to me is there's kind of a spectrum.
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It goes everywhere from Andrew Tate is a huge threat to Christians and Christian men,
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to Andrew Tate is a product of the church's feminization.
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You're a victim if the world doesn't validate you.
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So he's saying that the only thing that Andrew Tate offers
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An outrage that I haven't been given what I want,
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And so Andrew Tate gives him permission to take that victim outrage out on the world.
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Dean Abbott says he, Tate, is popular because he's a symbol of unchecked ego, greed, and lust.
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He's popular because he gives men permission to indulge their basest impulses.
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He's popular because he represents moral anarchy.
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And so basically anything that a young man would find compelling about Andrew Tate is simply their basest impulse.
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And that needs to be expunged and controlled and diminished.
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And then Dre Baldwin, actually, he was commenting on this.
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He says, Andrew Tate speaks of the basest desires of men and tells them how to channel it in positive ways that produce the types of outcome that men are interested in.
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Making money, outachieving other men, enjoying the company of women.
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Owens-Johan, I don't want to group him quite with the same because he did actually give acknowledgement to the fact that there are some male impulses.
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legitimate male impulses that Andrew Tate is tapping into.
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They don't want to be cowboy feminism and leftism, et cetera.
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discipline, and agency, he too sells a counterfeit.
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even as each system has an element of truth in it.
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Jesus came to earth, yes, to give his life as a ransom for many,
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what was rightfully God's that God had given to him.
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Like, Jesus' mission was a masculine mission, and the subservience and the giving up of
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himself, the denying himself, going to the cross, that was in obedience to God.
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That was not in a sort of sense where masculinity ought to be seen as pushing aside the virtues
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of conquest or taking dominion of the earth, beating back evil in a violent and forceful
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So the Jesus juke there at the end, I just, you know, it was to be expected, but kind of laughed.
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The first post we looked at, too, from that same author, he said something very similar,
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that Jesus Christ is the true image of masculinity.
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And there was certainly a narrow sense in which that is true.
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There was a first Adam, and Christ is the second Adam, the true man.
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I mean, Paul was a traveling missionary that made tents.
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He never cut 200 foreskins off of Philistines because that was not the station that God
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And so what ministers will do, the Mott and Bailey kind of is like, be like Christ.
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And then what to say is the definition of masculinity, we're going to narrowly constrict
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it to the 33 years that Jesus was on earth as an itinerant preacher, as a carpenter.
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And we're going to say masculinity looks only like these characteristics.
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forget all these other biblical examples, there were kings and warriors and scholars and craftsmen
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and all that, forego all of those, and then the part that they don't tell you is, and then just
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be nothing but, like you were saying in the beginning, meek, gentle, soft-spoken, mild because,
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and they'll go to the position that nobody could deny, Jesus is the perfect example. Well, within
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good men, there's not a single universal great man, but many particular expressions of good men
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that we see through scripture and where all those virtues exemplified not exhaustive exhaustively
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but exemplified in christ yeah one of the most common denominators of a godly man
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throughout scripture especially the old testament is that he's killed someone
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it's right joshua yep moses even abraham oh yeah even paul abraham that's right
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The effeminate Christian church is to blame for this
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And so William Wolfe had, I just had to give him a little credit here because he had some
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He said this in quotes, he says, the Andrew Tate phenomenon has nothing to do with evangelical
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And then for those of you listening, he posts, what's that?
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And then this is a post from the Gospel Coalition, and in highlighted, the Gospel Coalition, what they say about this picture of Colin Hansen and Jen Wilkin is, the Gospel Coalition advocates for visible female leadership.
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In the church, yes, specifically within the church.
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But, as William Wolfe points out, sarcastically, the Andrew Tate phenomenon has nothing to do with evangelical leaders, right?
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And he goes on to say, William Wolfe, in a separate post, he said, some people aren't ready for this, but here it is.
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Andrew Tate's appeal is the result of 50-plus years of man-hating feminism.
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Don't read this as a second for a defense of Tate.
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If you want to understand who's to blame for his audience, it's the feminists.
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And we put both of these together and we say within the church, we ought to lay the blame at the feet of the Christian feminists.
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And in my opinion, like for all the guys who are saying, well, Tate, you know, the appeal of Tate is simply that he's appealing to the most debased appetites.
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You know, the most based appetites of men, you know, like pornography or women or, you know, or Bugattis, you know, and just, you know, this and that and the other, you know, quick gain.
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The Bible talks about, like, there's nothing wrong with wealth, but the Bible does talk about, you know, quick gain, you know, where you can just turn it around and it's not the most ethical means of gathering wealth and these kinds of things.
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And I would just say, yeah, those things are always going to be popular in the same way that even, you know, there's always going to be a brothel somewhere within a 50-mile radius.
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Now, to be fair, under Christian nationalism, there does not have to be any brothels.
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You can just, you actually, you know, little known fact, but you can actually just ban porn in all 50 states.
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And anybody who makes a living by those means just has to get out of the country.
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And that will affect certain people disproportionately based off of what people group you're a part of.
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But historically, even in Christendom and even in places in Europe, you know, in places that were distinctly Christian, there was still the bad side of town.
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But there's a difference in the bad side of town, you know, the dark alleyway that you don't want your kids walking down, you know, that where somebody has to they actually and it's frowned upon.
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It's actually, it's not esteemed as a virtue, but it's actually frowned upon as a vice,
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the vice that it actually is, where somebody has, you know, is going to the bad part of
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town, the shady part of town to do something bad, you know, to get drugs or to go to a
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brothel, you know, these kinds of things that that's always going to exist.
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And because men are sinners, men and women, but men are sinners, there's always going
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There's always going to be a market for a guy who tells you, here's how to pick up chicks
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so that you can have sex with them or here's how to uh to make money um in in sleazy quick
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game kind of ways that you can spend it on cars or here's a uh yeah there'll always be a market
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for that so long as there's sin in the same way that jesus said you always have the poor among
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you why because you always have sin uh poor people are poor because of their own sin
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lack of work ethic or because of somebody else's sin oppressing them but it's always related one
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way or another to sin so you always have poor people because you always have sin jesus said
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that well you also always have um guys who appeal to the the most base appetites of men um because
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for the same reason because of sin but my point is that explains maybe maybe 10 percent of his
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popularity maybe 10 of the millions and millions of views it does not uh explain an international
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phenomenon most googled man in the it was the most googled subject in 2022 above donald trump
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and covid he was right that to me that is not simply explained by oh well that's just uh that's
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just what sin gives you you know uh people are just you know everybody's a sinner yes of course
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Everybody's a sinner. And because men are pigs and they want easy sex without any duty and
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responsibility and attachments, and because they want fast cars with fast wealth, it's gained
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through unethical means. That explains Tate being the most Googled man on the planet.
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Well, no, I don't think that does. I think it's a combination of cheap means that would give you
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some notoriety, that would get you some appeal, some audience. But exponentially, what multiplied
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that by a factor of 10 minimum, if not by 100, is not the sin appeal, appealing to men's sin
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and sinful lust, but the fact that you had that in a context, in a vacuum, where masculinity is
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despised in all its forms, whether it's debased or whether it's righteous. It doesn't matter what
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kind of masculinity it is, whether it's masculinity that pleases the Lord or masculinity that's
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perverse and corrupt and that's hated by the Lord. Masculinity in any version, any form whatsoever,
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has been absolutely eradicated from Western countries for half of a century. That's what
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explains tate being the most googled man in the world um we'll wrap up with a couple of uh other
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tweets we've kind of we've we've done quite a bit on the reaction so i'll just mention them and then
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i want to move on to why we think tate is actually so popular and tateism is growing um so jd uh on
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x who had a fantastic essay on this topic uh jd hall um not the oh that's jd greer never mind
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He said, Andrew Tate is popular among young Christian men because they're comparing him
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to who the Gospel Coalition presents as examples of biblical manhood.
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Tate, because he's not a Christian, and the Gospel Coalition, because they're not men.
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And then Eric Kahn, whom we already mentioned, he's got the picture of the guy who's in the
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middle of the swords, and what's the statement that you're going to say that's going to get
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you surrounded by swords and people trying to kill you. He says, a generation of conservative church
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leaders who opened the door to feminism, browbeat men, and catered to leftist ideologies did far
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more damage to the Christian church than Andrew Tate ever did. Just to give the devil his due a
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little bit, just because people might not be familiar with his background, where he came from
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and everything, I'm not going to go through the whole history, but just as a start, he's a world
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champion, four-time world champion, kickboxer. I've done martial arts before, Muay Thai and
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Jiu-Jitsu. Kickboxing is a brutal, painful sport. It takes a lot of discipline to get in shape and
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then to compete, not just to compete once, to train for one fight, do it, win and call it off.
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But I think something like 30 fights. And then he built a lot of wealth. And some of those are
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means that are despicable. They would not be allowed in a Christian country. But he built an
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empire of wealth through a number of different means. He's been the target of lawfare attacks.
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People will attack him for being childless or not taking out a family.
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The best estimates, he keeps his family out of the public eye.
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But he has something like 10-plus children, and it sounds like he provides for all of them.
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So both him and his brother have families and wives.
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Multiple wives, children, people that he provides for.
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And all of the lawfare, as it is right now, literally like 24, 48 hours ago, the state is essentially, this would be Romania, dropping the case for lack of evidence.
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A lot of these charges of evil things, if true, have been dropped, for lack of evidence.
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He has attained a large amount of wealth, some through terrible means.
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These are some of the things when we talk about masculinity and ambition and achievement.
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Those are just some of the factors that factor into it.
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Well, you've earned $800 million, and so therefore, that's it.
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what were men as men designed to do these are achievements that um i mean there are people
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critiquing him they get winded walking up the stairs and they're sitting there like
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and your tape so weak so unmasculine like of course they're not listening to you right you
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are pathetic you're a walking and he's pathetic in other ways but he's not weak and undisciplined
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the way you are for decades on end yeah well there's it's two words christian masculinity
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or if you will biblical patriarchy um christian annotates pathetic masculinity he is masculine
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right he is masculine on a natural plane right don't think vertical right we're not i'm not
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saying uh masculine in the masculine in the way that the bible uh describes it but he is naturally
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masculine um he has high testosterone levels he is physically strong with stamina and discipline
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in that arena. I'm sure he lacks discipline in other arenas, which are just as important,
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and I would argue even more so. But he is exerting and displaying discipline simply by virtue of his
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physical health, his physical status. And then he is appealing to women. Of course, there are
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plenty of Christian women who are repulsed by him. I get that. But there are plenty of women
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that like andrew tape yep um that is masculine like here's here are some of the masculine so
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so the fruit of the spirit which every christian should embody um these are not distinctly masculine
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these are the it's it's one size fits all it's love joy peace patience kindness but each of
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these fruit of the spirit have unique expressions depending on your state your gender uh your role
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um gentleness in a father will look differently than gentleness in a mother gentleness in a king
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will look differently than gentleness in a pastor um and and so um but but but the idea of just this
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unisex biblical application which is what the evangelical church has been doing for quite some
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time now many decades of just you know this is what the bible says for everybody and there's
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nothing distinct to womanhood and there's nothing distinct to manhood um that's that's not going to
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work there are things that are innately masculine um achievement achievement and and i would argue
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even competition um achievement and and tough butting of heads war fighting competing uh zeal
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achieving and brotherhood too him and his brother are close friends and i bet there's so many men
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that are like i've never had a jonathan like that that i would do all these things together with
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things are i do believe that those things are uniquely masculine that doesn't mean you can't
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find a trace of them or to a lower degree an element of some of those things uh in women
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right i have four daughters uh my daughters they they like to compete michael we're talking about
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your daughter likes to compete. If it's game night, sometimes the girls might be even more
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intense about wanting to win that game than the sons. That's possible. And so we're not saying
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that there's a complete absence in the fair sex and in women of these kinds of things, but these
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character traits are more dominant when we observe them in men. Competition, discipline,
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ambition zeal and and there are and and then they can go awry if we don't master ourselves in a
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christian expression so then zeal which is not inherently bad in and of itself becomes um fleshly
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anger and and you know and so all these things have kind of a um a like dr jekyll mr hyde you
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know like so there's like the good expression and then there's the bad expression of these things
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And so, if a guy's not full of the Holy Spirit, and he doesn't have one of the fruit of the
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Spirit, which is self-control, and as that pertains to a man, self-mastery, that pertains
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to a woman also, but the man is going to master himself in different ways and in different
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But if he doesn't have the Christian aspect, then the masculine, that doesn't mean, well,
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if you're not a Christian, then you can't be a man at all.
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I think that, what I'm trying to get to is, I think that's part of what the evangelical Christian discourse is trying to assert that I just, I could not disagree with possibly more.
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They're basically trying to say that there is no masculinity at all.
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They're either saying that or they're saying you cannot achieve masculinity whatsoever unless you do so Christianly.
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And what I want to say is, no, there is male and female, masculine and feminine, exist in the world as God made it by the sheer virtue of nature, whether grace is restoring it or not, whether it's Christian or not.
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bulls are not Christian, not in the born-again, eternal sense, and yet bulls, male cows,
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they still have the masculine bull male traits. So, that's going to exist whether it's Christian
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or not. So, to say that you can't attain masculinity at all apart from Christianity
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is wrong. What you will get is you will get masculinity, it just won't be Christian masculinity.
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It will be pagan masculinity or Islamic masculinity, everything that I've already said.
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Christian masculinity will prioritize self-mastery over the mastery of others.
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Pagan masculinity will have very little self-mastery. It'll have self-mastery,
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but only insofar as it serves the mastery of others. So maybe in the physical sense,
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A Viking may actually care about being physically strong and train and discipline his body, but he will exert zero effort in trying to master his base appetites and his lust, sexual lust and perversion.
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and like that's what you see basically tate is he's a viking with you know without a chin you
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know he's a viking you know he's he's a latino viking he's he's a bald yeah exactly he's a
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bald latino you know viking that uses his legs you know in his fighting style a little bit more
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than his arms other than that the dude like that but he is masculine he is masculine and if you
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can't see that then then you have been so far removed for so long from masculinity that you
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just don't even know what masculinity is anymore he is masculine none of us are making the argument
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that he exerts christian masculinity or biblical patriarchy but he is um masculine and he is
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patriarchal and the big issues of today he hates homosexuality he hates feminism he hates zionism
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and he speaks out against at this point in his life pornography and only fans so these four
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issues he has spoken out in vulgar and profane ways but he said that feminism ridiculous zionism
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destruction. Homosexuality, I can't even repeat the things he says about it, but he mocks it the
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way Christians should mock wicked things. So these four areas that are the biggest areas where
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Christian men are like, man, I am sick of this, and I'm tired of pride flags on pride month,
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and they turn around and they see someone, not Christian, but on all four of those, he's like,
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that's ridiculous, that's ridiculous, that's ridiculous, and I have to imagine for some,
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what a breath of fresh air for someone just to say it. That's exactly the point. I mean,
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so two things here uh another issue where he's outspoken wes is on restoring national order
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right now for some reason he's immigrated to england immigration fifth category and has
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decided that he's going to fix england which i'm like dude
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principle number one with immigration is you got to be part of the country first part of the nation
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first but if you want to fix england you can't be a muslim fair enough but my point is there is
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something about the fact that he is willing to say england is dying someone's got to fix it i'm
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gonna do it i we were watching my son and i were watching some of the pete hegseth um confirmation
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hearings and i know he's trying to get appointed and so you have to tread on eggshells unfortunately
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but i was i was telling my son i said if pete hegseth were to answer these women who are who
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are asking him about women in combat truthfully and say, Madam, you know, Senator, I don't think
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women should be in the military, period. And in fact, I don't think you should be a senator either.
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This is a man's role. Go home. He would not get the confirmation. But what that would do is it
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would open the door to so many men, young men who are thinking and seeing the world that way and
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realizing this is all wrong. This is not a debate about whether women can be in this kind of combat
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This is a debate about men's place in the world
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are people like Donald Trump and people like Andrew Tate.
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which I think it was, not excusing that at all.
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who are willing to say, I'm willing to lose my position in society. I'm willing to stand up and
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speak about basic realities, even though it would cost me my career, even though it would cost me
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my influence, even though it would cost me my status. Why aren't Christian men doing that?
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Young men would love to cheer on a Christian man who's doing that, but by and large, most of them
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are not. Real quick, let's do this. I'm watching the chat as we're going. If you see my eyes go up,
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we've got a screen above one of the cameras. And so I'm looking at the chat. Let's give our
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bona fides for a moment. Okay. So Michael was just ordained as an elder in our church. He's
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a pastor. I'm a pastor in our church, Covenant Bible Church. Check out covenantbible.org if you
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want to find a good biblical church that's committed to expositional preaching, that's
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committed to biblical patriarchy, that's committed to nationalism over gay, you know, global homo
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jihad and things like that. If you're looking for a good church, you're in Central Texas,
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we're in georgetown texas about an hour north of austin that said um we're both pastors uh
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lowly layman lowly layman uh but not that lowly i i'm jealous at times uh handy um but uh he's a
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faithful churchman and a member in our church uh we are three christian men let's give our bona
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fines and what i mean by that is uh let's pause here for a moment and uh and let's just say it
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i feel like it goes without saying but obviously it doesn't um so let's say it uh what are we not
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like about andrew tate what what do we denounce where to start he's muslim yep he worships a
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demon god named all of he's a foreigner he doesn't live in england uh he's traveling the world
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saying that he's for nationalism but going into countries that are not his own
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um he's perverse and profane as the day is long without any filter whatsoever crude perverse
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lewd um he sexualizes women which is not christian masculinity right um it is masculine it is
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masculine right it is masculine but it's masculinity debased by sin it is contorted
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and corrupted masculinity but it is when i say it's still masculine uh maybe you've heard this
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expression maybe you haven't some people don't like it um so you know which means it's a good
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one which means it's good yeah um have you ever heard somebody say you know uh he's sinning um
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but he's sinning in the right direction have you ever heard that adage um it's like well no sin
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can be in the right direction to sin is to miss the mark it's to point you know the the bow in
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the wrong direction it's to go the opposite of of the direction of god and so like all sin is in the
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wrong. Yes. No, duh. Duh. Of course, all sin is going away from God. It's rebelling against God.
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And so therefore, in the macro sense, of course, in a theological ultimate sense, all sin is in
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the wrong direction. Here's what the expression means to sin in the right direction. A guy who
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is a womanizer is sinning. Okay. Again, I said, we're going to state our bona fides. So let me
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say that again so it's blatantly clear sinning it's sin andrew tate has has made a career for
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himself that has been marked in many ways by overt plain obvious sin of course yep of course
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duh however um the uh trans library story hour is not only sin but it's sinning in the wrong
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direction it's it's when i when i'm speaking of direction i'm speaking of nature there's
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conformity to reality conformity to the to reality aka the natural world that god made
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right we live in the father's world he made the rules uh the world and therefore he made the
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rules he gets to set up the rules by which the world is going to function gravity gravity is not
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saved gravity is not born again i'm not going to high five gravity and it's going to become my
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eternal best friend in heaven you know me and gravity you know like we're you know we're gravity
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is not a person okay but but but gravity is christian in the macro sense because everything
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that God has made and that's functioning according to his plan is, you know, like a tree is a
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glorious tree insofar as it's performing its role, the way that God has made it, that it's going in
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the right direction. And yet even trees, you can have glorious trees, trees that are very tree-ly,
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if you will. And the more tree-ly a tree is, the more glorious a tree is. And you could say in a
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macro sense, the more Christian a tree is. So a sequoia tree is a really, you know, if we still
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have them when gavin newsome gets done burning down his state you know but but you know a sequoia
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is a is a treely tree and therefore it's a glorious tree and therefore in a macro sense
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it's a christian tree uh but but all of nature has still been tarnished by sin the curse right
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when god gets to adam he says curse he doesn't actually even curse adam he curses the ground
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adam was standing in as as as the head the federal head representative not just of all of humanity
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all this posterity, but the whole created cosmos, the whole world, so that even the world itself,
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the earth, the very ground fell underneath a curse, not because the dirt rose up in rebellion
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and sinned against God. Adam sinned against God, but he represented even the dirt. He represented
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the ground. He represented the trees, the rivers, the rocks. That's why all creation, Paul says,
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is groaning, right? It's under subjugation. It feels the weight of the curse of sin. And so
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creation itself, not just people created in the image of God, but even rocks and trees and birds
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and rivers and plants are groaning with eager expectations for the sons of God to be revealed.
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Therefore, the return of Christ when he restores all things, even the creation of the natural order
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itself. So you have this dual reality simultaneously at play. A tree can be
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glorious and Christian in the sense that it is functioning in its tree-ly sense. It's being a
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tree. It's healthy. It's bearing fruit. It's verdant. It's green. Exactly. All those things.
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It's being a tree. It's sturdy. It's strong. It can be used. It's wood in order to build structures
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and buildings and society and all these different things. In that sense, it's glorious. But it's
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also under a curse. That tree can be inflicted by parasitical, by moss, and it eventually
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falls and decays and all these things, and it can die. And so too it is with image-bearing
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creatures, man and woman, right? God created man in his image, that is mankind, both male and
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female, he created them. Both man and woman bear the image of God, image-bearers of the living God,
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although man, distinctly and uniquely, also in addition not just to the image of God,
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bears the glory of God. Man is the glory of God and woman the glory of man, is what 1 Corinthians
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chapter 11 says. So man and woman in image of God, man glory of God in addition to image,
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and woman glory of man. Now all that being said, fallen man, because of sin, he can do things that
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still can form into the direction, the overarching general direction of the natural order that God
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has established. And those would be things like building civilization, siring children,
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making a physical provision for his wife and children, fighting and protecting them from
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threats within and threats that are foreign, hunting and taking dominion over the earth,
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the subduing and taking dominion, when he goes and charts new courses and explores the sea and
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makes maps and investigates innovation, invention, these kinds of things. These are uniquely human
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things. And many of what I just listed, not exhaustively and not exclusively, but many of
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what I just listed are not only distinctly human things, but even manly things, distinctly masculine
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things and you can do all those things and not be a christian and not be even to do the woman
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there are women that are wonderful wives love their children love their husband self-controlled
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never regenerate and they're wonderful women who raised children who obeyed their own husband
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led and cared for a commodious home like take out the men just do like women there are many women
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who have done that they were never for a day christian or regenerate and yet they still
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were wonderful wives and mothers right so a man and we'll just go with with that theme for a second
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in terms of marriage and the relationship between a man and wife. A man sinning as a husband,
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sinning in the right direction. It's sin. Okay? Don't miss that. Sin. But sin in the right
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direction would be domineering. Right. Domineering over his bride. Where he's called to lead her,
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he is called to have authority over her. He has authority, whether he wields it or not. He is,
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under God, placed in a position of authority. So he's called to exercise authority and leadership.
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but he's not called to be overly domineering but rather he's called to recognize her as a co-heir
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of grace so in one standing the internal eternal sense and innate dignity his equal but in a
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physical temporal sense his inferior not inferior in terms of worth but the weaker vessel rank like
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in the military and rank yeah and in stature temporal stature she is the weaker vessel and
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i think that speaks to the physical i also think it speaks to also the the not only physical
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disposition but even emotional disposition um and and so he can do both things simultaneously now
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the man who recognizes uh not not only is it permissible it is it is morally obligatory that
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a husband record it's a command he is commanded in scripture to recognize that his wife is a weaker
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vessel and then to treat her accordingly and and what does it mean to treat her accordingly
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to make room for her, to exercise grace and compassion and gentleness towards her because
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But a man who is sinning, again, emphasis on sin, but sinning in the right direction
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would be a man who is exercising authority, but he's doing it domineeringly, in a domineering
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Instead of taking into account in a spirit of compassion and grace, taking into account
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her weaker frame, he is exploiting her weaker frame.
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That's sin, but sinning in the right direction.
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A man who subjugates himself to his wife, happy wife, happy life, limp-wristed subjugation
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to the wife that exalts her as head of the home and subjugates himself as her helpmate
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is not only sin, but it's sin in the wrong direction. Homosexuality is not just a sin,
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an excess of something that God calls good or a mere perversion of something, but it's a
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disorder. It's a reversal of something that God calls good. Homosexuality is sinning in the wrong
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direction. Womanizing is sinning, don't miss that, in the right direction. The right direction,
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meaning that it's pleasing to God? No. C.A., I gave all the disclaimers. I can't give them
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every 15 seconds. Lord knows I try, but I can't do it. It is sin. And in the macro sense,
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in the theological, ultimate, biblical sense, it's in the wrong direction in a theological sense
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because anything that's going against God's prescribed will in Scripture is the wrong
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direction. You guys know what I mean. You know what I mean. But what I'm saying is there's a way
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There's a way to take God's natural order, his natural design for things, and do it wrongly.
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So you're going, instead of against the grain, you're going with the grain, but you're going
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with the grain in wrong ways, to wrong ends, the wrong measure, the wrong degree, the wrong
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There's a way of going with the grain sinfully.
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And then there's a way of going against the grain.
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Feminism is not just sin, but it's in accordance with the natural order.
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Whereas a man who, whatever, I've already given the examples.
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that that's what i'm talking and and i think part of the uh the appeal of andrew tate is that at
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the natural level he gets a lot of things right at the spiritual level he he is i i don't think it
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i don't i don't think it's possible to be more wrong i i don't i don't i don't think he gets
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anything right i think he's wrong at virtually every level that you could possibly be wrong at
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at a biblical spiritual higher ultimate spiritual sense so in the higher plane the spiritual things
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he's wrong at every level but but we're currently living in a world this is my point we're living
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in a world where it's not just ravaged by sin but we're living because the world has always
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been ravaged by sin ever since the the first sin that happened in the garden but there have been
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the the vast majority the lion's share of human history even fallen human history has been
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ravaged by sin but sin that still at least went with the grain it was according to the natural
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order. Men were manly. We're currently living in a time that's not just known for sin, but it's
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known for unnatural sins. We're living at one of the higher echelons. If you think of sin, you don't
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just wake up one day and decide to be a serial killer. Sin has a progression. There's a progression
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of sin. And in Romans chapter 1, one of the latest stages, right? You think of like cancer, you know,
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there's stage one and two and three and four. One of the latest stages of not just sin in an
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individual, but corporately in a society, in a civilization, and I would argue that the West
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fits this description. One of the furthest, most severe stages of terminal sin at a societal level
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is that it's no longer just men being perverse, but it's that they exchange natural, there's the
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word, natural relations with one another and become inflamed with lust for one another. That
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they're now sinning not only sinning but they're also sinning in the wrong direction and then even
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further than that that's not the final stage the final stage is eventually not only the exchange
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of the natural so not only sin with nature but sin against nature sin against nature and then
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the final stage is uh that they not only um do these things but they um but they receive approval
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for these things right that that uh that it's not just homosexuality is three percent of the
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population and rising um but but it's the whole population is is standing on the sidelines
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applauding right so you got you got the guys you know in new york in front of children with with
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their junk hanging out in a parade and that's not the worst of it the worst of it is all the
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heterosexual parents who brought their children to the parade and then the whole rest of the town
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standing on the on the on the street uh corners uh cheering and holding balloons and smiling as
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though it's a positive thing that's where we are currently in the west so we're not just we're not
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like we think here's the point you think that you're so much better than every generation gone
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by you're not vikings who raped and pillaged would be disgusted by the sin of the west the sins of
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the west the the aztecs would be horrified by the sins of the west they'd be like dude we killed
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you know we kill dozens of people annually you guys kill them by the million at planned
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parenthood babies yep we never would have dreamed of doing that and and and we had to rip if we ever
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did kill a baby we had to rip it out of the the hands of its screaming crying mother but your
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mothers take their babies themselves and then post tiktok videos celebrating the decision of having
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them physically dismembered and sucked up with a vacuum cleaner out of their womb
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the aztecs can't hold a candle to the west we're not just talking about higher degrees of sin
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we're talking about about distinctly higher completely distinct categories of sin it's not
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just greater degrees it's a whole other category it is sin in the wrong direction andrew tate is
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a very great sinner in need of the only great savior that there can be no debate no one's
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arguing that. But what we are saying is that part of the appeal of Andrew Tate to the natural man
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is that he's natural. He is sinning. He is perverse, but he's sinning with the grain on the
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backdrop of an entire world and even an evangelical church, the church, brothers and sisters, that is
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sinning against the grain. And to just add on to that, Joel, I think you correct me if I'm wrong
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here, but I think what we're saying is we understand why there is such an appeal towards
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Andrew Tate, because the things that he's doing are the things that American society and evangelical
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Christian have told men you are not allowed to do, period, under any circumstances. And in fact,
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we are going to discipline and breed and diet all of this out of you. Now, we are not saying
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we have pictures of Andrew Tate up in our bedroom.
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so that we're not having to say Andrew Tate is the best
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of the take ambition, go out and have self-discipline,
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have a direction that you're going in that we have.
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After the Olympics and that horrific, blasphemous show,
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him and his brother went outside the French consulate
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look at this, Christians are going after it.
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And all they can conclude is any guy who has any sort of urge to discipline himself, to achieve, to make something of himself, like Andrew Tate has done, is clearly immature, in sin, dangerous, and needs to be long-housed back into meekness and mildness.
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summarize everything that we've said for almost an hour and a half now. Andrew Tate is appealing
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to a lot of people. We understand why. And we wish that it was true Christian masculinity that
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was leading the charge. But sadly, that's not the order of the day. So what we want to do now is we
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want to spend a little bit of time here at the end talking about how to correct the ship, what
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true Christian masculinity might look like. And Wes has a great analogy that's going to come up
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in an episode next week about how we are in a situation where, unfortunately, I won't steal
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your analogy. I'll just say he's got one. And it's similar to the pendulum idea, where you have
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to push the pendulum sometimes farther back than it needs to go because it's so far off the rail.
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And so this is a topic that we're going to keep talking about as we go.
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Look for some episodes next week about that as well.
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But one of the things that I think is interesting is that in the time of coming out of the Middle Ages and the Reformation,
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even in the time, especially as England was forming, France too,
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they had these, the stories of the chivalric knights, chivalry and the knight's code.
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And so you've got the song of Roland coming out of France.
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And one of the things that I did a little bit of reading into them, I read a lot of
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They inspired me, just fascinated me, the knight.
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But one of the things that I think we have to acknowledge is that the stories of chivalry
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were lessons on how men can devote the strength, drive, ambition, resources, and even lethality,
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They can devote all of those masculine things towards good and proper ends.
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In other words, the codes of chivalry were about how to direct masculinity in the proper
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direction so that it wasn't being abused in the wrong direction.
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You are to use your strength to defend the weak, to punish injustice.
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You are to devote your life to piety so that your ambition and your exploits are worthwhile,
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both to benefit your nation and to benefit God's kingdom.
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not just to benefit yourself and to exploit others.
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So even the code of chivalry, the stories of the knights,
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were largely there to direct masculine activities towards the right aim.
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We see something similar when we look at the New Testament.
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When we see Paul in 1 Timothy 2 directing men to lift up holy hands in prayer,
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it's in the context of not lifting them up in anger or in quarrels or in fights, right?
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Like, there's a testosterone in men that, if unchecked or pushed in the wrong direction,
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And so Paul says, take those masculine hands, devote them to piety also.
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In 1 Timothy 6, when Paul warns against riches, the idea being not that wealth is bad inherently,
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but men, Christian men, remember that your masculine drive to achieve, to accomplish,
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to turn profit should not be a love and an idol that is the base and core identity of your being.
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And I think what one of the contentions that I think we have to just realize is the time in
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history that we live in, both with the diet and the plastics, the feminism and feminization of
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all of our society, not just the church, but the church also, we live in a time where the masculine
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drives have been really killed and subsumed and totally hidden from what most men would even think
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about doing. And so while it's true that we see throughout history and even in the New Testament
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some cautions or some redirections of the masculine energy, one of the problems that we have now is
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that the masculine virtues have been so hidden that most men don't have any idea, myself included
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sometimes, right? Like, like, we're not immune to this. We all live in the sea that we are
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criticizing. We're as wet as the rest of the fish, right? And what we want to do is we want to say,
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okay, if it's been that subsumed, we need to dig it out, right? And yeah, when you dig something
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out of the ground, it might have some dirt on it, right? It may have rusted or corroded a little bit,
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but we have to dig it out. We have to pull it back. We have to restore it. And probably there's
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going to be an overcorrection i mean joel you're you're right about the rubber band there will be
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an overcorrection right there will be an overcorrection in some of these areas and so uh
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gentlemen i have i have some thoughts on this but as far as masculinity goes biblical masculinity
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let's weigh in let's give some comments and thoughts here yeah um i can give an example
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of my dad and i think what he did well good christian man he's still alive i love him we
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have a great relationship but um there can be a tendency to make the spiritual what it's all about
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and my best memories of my dad, they're not him expositing the glories of the gospel from Romans
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5 at family worship or singing or fasting. Those are good and right, and he did them. He led us in
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family worship. He taught us the scriptures, all of those things. But my best memories of my dad
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are the natural things. We searched. It was a multi-year-long search to find the hottest hot
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sauce and the hottest pepper. We plunged into frozen lakes. We were hunting and shooting bows
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and arrows he wasn't boring and and what endeared me to him as a man masculine was the competition
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the brotherhood the camaraderie we did two 50 milers together 50 mile races finished both of
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them together we suffered together in that and at no point did my dad say like yeah i could do this
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with my son and i could do this or we could just uh just stay home and read books like there's
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famous pastors and their sons and i won't name them because they apostatized but they said their
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favorite memories of dad were going to christian conferences or canceling family vacations because
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all dad could think about all that was on his mind were simply the intangible spiritual things
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which are real but paul does say in first corinthians 15 the natural comes first and then
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the spiritual we live in a natural world that will eventually be taken up consummated in the
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spiritual but the natural is here and man you say first you don't mean first and priority but
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chronologically yes chronologically exactly you can't get uh to the you can't get to heaven if you
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you can't be born again if you were never born once you can't be resurrected if you have no body
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in the first place right um so one thing i would just say gosh don't be a boring man don't be boring
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don't be a boring dad like that's a little cold we could catch a cold my daddy just took us one
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time he's like let's shingle the roof in the rain and see if we can catch a cold and women don't
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like that they're like but but hun they could get sick and he said no this will be good for him and
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i would credit that type of fatherhood me and my brother both turned out to be good christian men
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by god's grace but it was also because my dad didn't play it safe didn't aim to be boring
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didn't just make everything a spiritual life lesson but he got his hands dirty he loved us
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there was brotherhood camaraderie competition all of that and um that needs to be said do not
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neglect those things especially for fathers and then as brothers and friends to a lesser degree
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certainly that drive competition etc yeah one of the things that i would say if i was to sum it up
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just with one characteristic or one word would be ambition most of the christian books
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written towards men for quite a while now have demonized ambition they've glorified
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lionized you know lowly and meek gentle quiet but pretty much any kind of ambition
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has been frowned upon, has been, you know, men have been told mostly within the church that
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their ambition needs to be suppressed, it needs to be uprooted, that ambition is simply fleshly,
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that it's vain, that it's inherently vain. And the reality is that there is such a thing as
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vain glory. There is vain ambition, but ambition in and of itself is not inherently evil. There is
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glorious ambition. There is vainglorious ambition. There is godly ambition. There is wicked ambition.
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The question is, what is it that you're ambitious for? That would be one of the questions. And the
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second is why? What are your motives? What's your incentive for trying to achieve X, Y, and Z,
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for trying to accrue X, Y, and Z? So there's a way. So one thing that I think that is distinctly
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masculine and uh and that's been missing for quite some time is um is helping young men and
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inspiring uh young men to pursue uh ambitious goals um in the workplace uh when it comes to
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accruing uh resources and wealth um to be able to uh at some level to be ambitious even for status
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I think of the Proverbs that say, you know, we don't like the word status.
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And you can go about trying to acquire status in vain and wicked ways.
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But again, that status would be another example of something that's not inherently in and of itself unbiblical or unchristian.
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I think of the Proverbs that say that a good name is worth more than gold.
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What is a good name other than acquiring a certain degree, a certain level of status within your community, within the world, that people, they know who you are and they think well of you.
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So status, and it's similar to power, but accruing power.
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I think guys who are right now, there's a few of them, not many, but a few, guys who are emphasizing the dire need and urgency for Christian men to accrue Christian power and to wield it in Christian ways, I think are going to experience a lot of success.
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because I think there's an incredible need there because it's been absent.
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And I think for a lot of young men in the vortex, you know, or the vacuum of this absence,
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And so accruing, we want Christian men to be powerful in our society, in the world,
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and not just status or position within the realm of the church,
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but outside of the church, in the world, in the political world, in the cultural world,
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in media, in medicine. We need Christian doctors right now. When the entire medical establishment,
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virtually the entire medical establishment, has so discredited itself and lied to us,
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right to our faces for ad nauseum, day after day after day, getting up and telling us,
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you know, like, you can't do this because it's bad for you. You can't do that because it's bad
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for you. And here's something that's really, really good for you. You know, eggs are bad
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for your cholesterol, you know, but this sugary cereal, you know, you can do that every single
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morning. That's, you know, guys, guys have now, you know, the blinders have come off. The veil
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has been lifted people can see through that but something has to fill the void and we need
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christians to fill the void right i still need a doctor like so so the fact that um that i'm
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doctor pilled right that i know that the medical establishment is corrupt is not enough uh the
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right because you need an alternative so it's one thing to diagnose the problem it's another to
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present solutions the solution is christian men because at the end of the day um every single
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Christian household cannot simply do their best to self-learn and go on WebMD and diagnose and
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prescribe some kind of solution to every single one of their medical problems. So, we need
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Christians in medicine. We need Christian media. We need Christians in finance. Finance has been
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incredibly corrupt. We did a whole episode on usury and all these things that the Bible strictly
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forbids. And so we need Christian, good Christian men in finance. But you're not going to have
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Christian men in finance if all the Christian men are poor. So we're going to need Christian men
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who avail themselves. I mean, I think of what Paul writes to slaves. He says that they should
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obey their masters, but he also says that if they can gain their freedom, that they should avail
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themselves toward that end, that they should do so. If there's any way to become a free man,
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Paul doesn't argue that being a free man isn't superior, that it's not a better position of
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life. Of course it is. And so, he says that slaves should respect their masters, but insofar as
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it's within their power to avail themselves towards being free men with free agency, that,
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well, that's vastly superior. And so, they should work towards that endeavor. And it's the same
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concept or the same principle applied at every single level. If God has ordained and through
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providence has seen fit that you be content with little, fine. But the Apostle Paul, when he's
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talking about Christian contentment and godliness, that godliness is great gain,
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contentment with godliness, he even states in that context, he says, I've learned how to abase
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and abound. So, he doesn't just say, I've learned how to have nothing and be content. And so, now,
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nothing in this life, in the temporal world, I've made that actually my aim. That's not his point.
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His aim is not to have nothing. His aim is to be content regardless of what he has. The aim is not
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nothing. The aim is contentment. That's the aim. But Paul even admits that even for himself,
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as a missionary who was radically persecuted by the Jews primarily, but also some Gentiles,
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despite immense persecution, he admits that there were seasons of life where he
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was abounding, where he had more than enough. We have all the scriptures that even say that
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let the thief no longer steal, but work with his hands so that he might have not just enough to
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get by, not just meeting his own needs and the needs of his household, but that he might
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have more than enough. He might have a surplus so that he might be generous to others, so that he
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might be able to give. We need Christians in power. You look at Elon Musk, despite all his flaws and
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H-1B and America first just means America is a sports team and we need to sports ball even
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harder and we need to get people who are not Americans and have nothing in common with our
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values to put on the American sports jersey in order for us to be America first, because America
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first, you know, God forbid it means Americans first. It actually just means America as a sports
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team winning on the global stage that we beat China, you know, in terms of GDP and blah, blah,
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blah. Yeah. So he's got problems, right? Elon Musk has, that's just one of them. But there's
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still something to be said for the ambition of wanting to go to the stars and the incredible
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ingenuity and innovation and what he's been able to achieve and build and problems that he's been
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able to solve. And all that as it relates to power, and particularly what I'm arguing for,
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Christian power that I think is distinctly masculine, right? Women are called to embody
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gentleness and a quiet spirit, whereas men, I think, are to be strong. But it needs to be
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Christian strength, to be powerful. God made us to be powerful, but to have Christian power.
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And so, what would the world be like if we had a Christian, Elon Musk?
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Like, I remember one of my friends put it into perspective like this.
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He said, you know, we always think like the government, you know, like nobody could take down, you know, the government is just, it's a leviathan, right?
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I mean, we have a bloated government in many different ways.
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uh the household you know families can't compete with the government but but what is amazon other
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than house bezos you know what what is tesla and spacex and starlink and and x and boring company
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and soon to be maybe tiktok and everything else uh but what is that other than a household it's
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house musk that that a a family there you look at biblical times like abraham his house it wasn't
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that he was necessarily filling the role in an official sense of a civil magistrate and he was
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the president of a country. But no, as a private citizen, as a household outside of the sphere of
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the state and in the realm of the family, his family was a force to be reckoned with. It was
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formidable. He had over 300 servants. He had acquired and amassed an insane amount of wealth.
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he was rich. And so, even though he wasn't a king in the formal sense himself, holding that
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civil position, he still finds himself negotiating with kings and rivaling kings and whole foreign
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governments and entities and all these kinds of things as a singular household, but a household
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that accrued power and was wielding that power in righteous directions. And so, that's one thing
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that I would say is distinctly masculine and that the church needs to talk about is men embracing
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and pursuing godly ambition in the temporal natural world, not just spiritual first in
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terms of hierarchy of priority, but natural things right alongside that. Grace doesn't abolish or
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destroy nature, but rather elevates and restores it. So, pursuing the spiritual and the eternal
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first in terms of priority, but in addition to that, also pursuing power and prestige
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with godly ambition in the temporal plane, in the realm of politics, running for political office,
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in the realm of finance and wealth, accruing multi-generational wealth so that your grandchildren
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will have more wealth than your pagan next-door neighbor's grandchildren, so that they'll be
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able to use that and wield that wealth in righteous ways and righteous means and have more of a stake,
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more say, more power in society, in civilization than the wicked. We want the righteous. So,
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we want to outpopulate, right? So, be fruitful, multiply, get married, have children. If you can,
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by the grace of God, have several children. Pursue wealth, pursue knowledge. Knowledge is power.
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You do need to read. Do the reading. Pursue status in a claim within the medical society.
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All these different things as best you can. Be ambitious and pursue power. Power and a good
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name. A name that is good in terms of purity, but also a name that's known. Not just a name that's
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good among your wife and your children. Nothing less than that. That's first. Nothing less than
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that. But if you can aspire towards more, that you would have a name that is known by many people
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and that is held in high esteem by your friends and by the household of faith and a name that
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by the grace of God is feared by your enemies who are ultimately God's enemies, who are the wicked
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and who hate Christ and who are working against him. Acquire these things. Be ambitious towards
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temporal things, not at the cost of spiritual things, but in addition to them. I think that
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that's a uniquely masculine trait, godly ambition. And almost every book that you read, especially
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not just Christian books in the general sense, but Christian books specifically designed towards
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men, I have been astounded by how many Christian books for men ultimately demonize any kind of
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ambition in the temporal world whatsoever. Yeah. Well, and I would add on to that, the
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trait or the neglected area of masculinity that I've been thinking about actually flows directly
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from yours, Joel, because if you think about, let's say there's an employee in a company
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and he is employed by his boss. And so he has a lot of ambition. And so he starts to take
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his position in the company, the access to the research or to the clients or to the
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leads, and he starts out of his ambition, trying to steal away from his company, what is due to
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his boss, that would be an ambition that's improper. Why is ambition a good and healthy
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and God-given attribute among humans? It is because of God's command, his delegated authority.
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And I think, I thought quite a bit this week about the question of how are some of the
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things that we would say are masculine or feminine, you know, read your Bible or be
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self-controlled, be disciplined, be strong. Scripture speaks of the strength of a woman
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in her arms. What is it that makes something inherently masculine as opposed to inherently
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feminine? And I think at the core of the issue is the question of authority. When God gave the
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dominion mandate, which to the question earlier was not part of the covenant of works, it preceded
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the covenant of works. It was why God created mankind, to take dominion into steward. When God
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issued the dominion mandate in Genesis 1, he then said that he made man in his image, male and
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female. There is a particular way that God made mankind to exercise dominion on the earth, and the
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way that it works is that he then gave man, the biological male, Adam, the authority to name the
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animals. He also gave Adam the authority to name his wife. And at the core of anything that's
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masculine, why should men be strong? Because God has delegated to them an authority. Why should men
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be self-controlled? Because God has delegated to them an authority. Why should men lead their
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households in worship and in what you were saying, Wes, in taking adventures? Because God has given
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him an authority. And I think really at the core of why men are floundering in our society,
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they think, I should be strong, and then they're told, no, don't be strong. I should be self-controlled
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and discipline my body. No, don't do that. You know, all of these things
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We have lost the fact that God has given authority
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He's equipped the man with someone who will support,
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But at the core of whether something is masculine
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is whether it is something that you are preparing
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the duties of the authority that God has given to you.
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Because God has really said, take authority of your family.
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Because God has said, take authority of the political life.
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And so masculinity to me is a preparation and a carrying out of authority.
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And we really have this so backwards because men, and this is part of the curse I realize,
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we are wanting to cede this authority to women at every turn.
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I was going to say, we need to land the plane, but we've got to get that quote from Calvin.
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The reason why this is so important is that God has not given the same kind of authority to women as he has to men.
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And that's why the duties of women are different than the duties of men.
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It was from a sermon that he preached, and it's published in Men, Women, and Order in the Church.
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Real quick, and not just the duties, because part of the problem with complementarianism is it agreed,
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it acknowledged the distinction of roles, but it didn't acknowledge the distinction of nature.
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So when we say duties, certainly God has given, what you're saying is that the underlying principle is authority.
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So God has uniquely given authority to men in a way that he has not given it to women.
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But because God is not capricious, but rather kind and logical, he's also not arbitrary or random, but he works logically.
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he works within the laws of logic which which stem from him that he himself established uh not
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only does god uh give men certain duties stemming from that authority but uh because men are called
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to uh to to harbor this authority and to fulfill certain duties he also gives them a certain nature
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correct um and i think that was part of the problem with the you know 1988 you know um
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complementarianism halfway house for egalitarianism because that's really what it was
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was that it said well yeah sure we acknowledge that you know in the bible there's a distinction
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of role between men and women um but it but it but it basically asserted um you know like
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anything you can do i can do better i can do anything better than you but i won't
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because i'm complementarian you know so it's like it's like the wife you know or like the
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christian woman let's take it outside of the realm of the home and put it in the realm of
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the church who says, well, I can preach. In fact, I can preach better than most men, but I won't
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because I'm complementarian. I think that that misunderstands, one, the nature of men and women,
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and two, that also fundamentally misunderstands the sheer nature of preaching and what preaching
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is. That preaching is not just a pep talk, and it's not just informational or educational,
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and that it's also preaching, it contains some of these aspects of providing spiritual nourishment
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for sheep that are hungry and need to be nourished. And so you think, well, that sounds
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distinctly feminine, you know, like women are, you know, cooking and making meals for their families
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at home. And so why can't a woman make a spiritual meal for the family of God, you know, in church,
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if that's what a sermon, if that's all a sermon is, I don't think it's less than that, but I think
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it's more than that. If that's all a sermon is, is just education, informative. And if a sermon,
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all it is, is just nourishment for those who are hungry, it's a spiritual meal, then why can't,
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you know, women do it? And I would argue, well, because a sermon is that plus more. What a sermon
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also is, is that a sermon is rallying the army of the living God into war, into battle. It's
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akin to William Wallace going down the line as all the Scotsmen are lined up in order to fight
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against the enemy, the horde that is surrounding them, the impending doom that's encroaching
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closer and closer. And there are men who are afraid and shuddering and fearful. And he gives
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them a riveting, inspiring speech that causes them to dig deep and to find strength. And he
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rides down the line, you know, slamming the brunt of his sword into their swords and their spears
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and rallies the men into battle, into war. That is another aspect of preaching. And it's not just
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something that a woman is not allowed to do. It's something that a woman can't do. It's not just a
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matter of role, distinction of role. I could do it, but I won't because I'm not allowed. No,
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God has given you the role that you have to where you're not allowed to do it, but also because he
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has not equipped you in the realm of nature to do it, or at least not to do it well. Men have not
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just been given the role of exercising authority, they've also been equipped in the realm of nature
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to be able to exercise authority in a way that a woman can't. Men and women have distinct roles
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because they have distinct natures. So Calvin says this, and this would be my thing to men
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on masculinity, stop hiding behind women, exercise the authority that God has created you in your
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nature and given you in your roles to do. So Calvin says this, yet consider now whether women
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are not quite past sense and reason when they want to rule over men. He's saying, is it crazy
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for women to want to rule over men? In a word, he says, it is madness. For were men made for women?
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It is true that today men are as channels through which God causes his grace to stream down upon
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women. For from whence does labor come? From where do all the most excellent things and highly
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esteemed things come? To be sure, it comes from the men's side. So God is well pleased for men
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to serve the good of women, as experience shows. Yet St. Paul has an eye here to the beginning of
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the creation, where it was said that it was not good for the man to be alone, and that he needed
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someone at hand who would always be ready to help. Since God was thinking of the man, it certainly
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follows that the woman is only an accessory. And why? Because she was only created for the sake of
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man, and she must, therefore, direct her whole life toward him. She must confess, I am not
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supposed to be without direction here, not knowing my purpose and station. Rather, I am obliged by
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god if i am married to serve my husband and render him honor and reverence and if i am not married
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i am bound to walk in all soberness and modesty cognizant that men have the higher rank and that
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they must rule and that the woman who disregards this forgets the law of nature and perverts what
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should be observed as god's command this then this then the place to which saint paul brings back
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women. Yeah. The last thing I'll say is this, I remember I preached this all the way back in like
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2018 or 2019, and it upset a lot of people. I've been fond of saying the prophets weren't killed
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for being right. Because later on, you know, people end up building tombs to Jeremiah and
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Isaiah and everybody else that their fathers killed. So eventually, you know, the right side
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of history, you know, will win out in the end. And so eventually everybody agrees. And so it's
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not so much that you're persecuted. The prophets are killed for being right. They were killed for
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being first. They were killed for being right about something at a time when everybody else
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was still wrong and claiming that what was wrong was right. And so I remember I got a lot of
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pushback at the time for this. It was a little bit before my time, you know, before people were
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having some of these conversations. But what I said was chivalry is, you know, that in Ephesians
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five, you know, the husband like Christ, you know, who gave himself up for the church and
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sanctifies her by his blood, he sacrificed for the church, his own life. So too, a husband should
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be willing to lay their lives down for the wives. But then the argument that I made is that stemming
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from this, that's central and the highest priority, a man's duty and responsibility, his role towards
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his wife. But from that, we can argue out in ripples, if you will, to children. Like we
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wouldn't say a man is called to be willing to take a bullet for his wife but not for his daughter
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and we say well yeah that fits too even though it's not expressly said right there in ephesians
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five but yeah that that's that's a good that's a good right sentiment um and but then we can
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argue even further from that that if a man was single and let's say that his mother you know
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has already passed 10 years ago and he doesn't have any sisters he only has brothers and he has
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a father and he has an uncle but no aunts no grandmother no mother no sisters no wife no
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daughters, is it good and right and pleasing to the Lord if his country enters justly into a war
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for him to serve in his country's military in order to fight back the hordes of invaders in
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order to protect other women that he doesn't have a direct relation to? And we say, yes. Or what
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about a man who, you know, to make it a little bit less now, so not so much laying down the life in
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the physical, literal sense. But what about when a man opens a door for a woman or just prefers a
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woman that she goes in first? Or what about the sentiment on the Titanic? You're a single man,
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you're there, no relative is there with you. And then all of a sudden the ship is going down
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and they say, women and children first. Is women and children, is it just my wife and my children
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first? Or is it women and children in a general sense of civilization, society as a whole first?
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And I would argue that that's a good sentiment, whether it's opening the door or whether it's women and children first, you know, at a meal, you know, like, you know, our church has potlucks, you know, and often it's the women and the children that go first and the men go last.
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We used to have that as a society and we call that chivalry.
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Here's what I added to that that got me into trouble is I said that I do think that that same principle, it's taking what is explicit in Scripture, but then deriving from it a general principle that ripples out.
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And so it's not necessarily as potent. The further ripples go out, the less potent they are. So it's not held to the same level or same degree, but the principle still is there. It still remains intact, although it's maybe applied a little bit more loosely or to a lower degree.
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But the principle of chivalry is central on a husband towards his wife and a father towards his children, but then extends out to his neighbors and society, and that a man is called to sacrificially love others at the cost of himself with provision and protection.
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And what I argued was I said that I think that the same thing exists, that same kind of principle, in the opposite direction for women.
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I think that there is, and in times past, in godly societies, was, and by God's grace, can be again, or at least should be, the female equivalent to being chivalrous, to chivalry.
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And what I mean by that is that a woman, just like a man, is called to be willing to lay down his life for his bride.
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But if the Titanic's going down and you're not married, so you have no bride on the ship, there's still a sense of women and children first.
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on the counter side for a woman a woman is called to submit to her husband
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but a general sense of deference practiced by women in a society at large towards men in general
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even those men who are not specifically your husband or specifically your father but just to
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say in general as a woman i recognize my god-given station in life and i'm not going to seek to usurp
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not just those men that I happen to be married to,
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but even those men that I have no familial relationship to,
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so too women in society, a general sense of deference towards the men in society. I'm not
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going to try to lead you. I'm not going to lord things over you. I'm not going to longhouse you.
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I'm not going to schoolmarm you. I'm not going to scold you. I'm not going to try to exercise
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authority over you, and not just in the church, aka women not being elders and not preaching,
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but even in society at large i believe i believe isaiah says this explicitly that it is a judgment
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of god it's not something to boast in it's not something to be proud of it is a judgment
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for a nation to be ruled by women um it's a judgment and so for women to say i know my place
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and that doesn't mean that i don't have any voice at all i have the ear of my father i have the ear
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of my husband. The men are the ones who are sitting in the city gates. That's where they
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would rule and make determinations for the village, for the town. They're sitting in those
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chief seats of making determinations and ruling and determining what's going to happen. They're
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also the defenders. The city gates are part of the city wall so they could see if there's any
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threat that's looming or coming. The woman, Proverbs 31 and other places, praises her husband
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in the city gates. She's not sitting in the chief seats making the determinations and ruling,
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but she still has a voice there. But it's a voice in relation, it's through the agency of her
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husband in the formal position that he holds. There have been powerful women throughout history,
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biblical history, also human history and church history. But the most righteous of women who
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exercise that power, except for in rare occasions, like a Deborah situation, when it was actually
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God's indictment towards the men of Israel saying, you are so pathetic, I'm going to use a woman,
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not because it's my natural design, but as a judgment to you, right? I mean, that's what
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Deborah says to Barak, you know, when he's like, will you come with us into battle? And she's like,
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yeah, but the history books are going to say that the glory went to a woman. And she's saying that
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as an insult to him. And so there are some rare occasions like that. But the normative,
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The normative principle throughout healthy societies is not that women are voiceless, but the voice of a woman, a wise woman, is through the ear of her husband, through the ear of it.
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So there have been queens that have wielded immense power, immense power through influence.
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It's not that they were the formal ruler, but it's the fact is their proximity to the king, right?
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You think of Esther. Esther had insane power. That's what Mordecai, her uncle goes to her and
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says, if you don't do something now, I get that you're scared, but you got to do something. And
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if you don't do something now, salvation will still come for the people of God, but it'll come
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from someone else. And you and your house will be forgotten. And he's not saying it because
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Esther actually has the formal authority to be able to do something about this impending threat
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that's coming from Haman towards the people of God, he knows that she doesn't have any power.
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And that's her excuse that she gives. That's her counter. She says, Mordecai, you don't get it.
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And he's like, I get it. And she's like, you don't get it. Like, I don't have any power at all. I
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haven't even seen the king for this many days. He hasn't even called on me. And in fact, even though
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I'm his bride, I'm the queen, I'm not even allowed to go into his proximity without being summoned
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by him unless it's at the threat of my life, you know. But what Mordecai got, what he understood,
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and he was right, is he was like, I think you're selling yourself short. In terms of the formal
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positions and titles and labels of authority, you're right, you got nothing. You got nothing.
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You're a chick, you know, God bless you, you know, but like that's your role is not an
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authoritative role, not formally. However, what you are radically underestimating is the informal
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power and persuasion and influence of the wife of a king, the queen. And you actually can turn
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the tide of history, not formally by wielding the scepter yourself, but by virtue of your proximity
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of the one who does. And so my point is, I think, you know, that quote from Calvin, it just makes
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me think of chivalry and the general, so not just a man and his duties and roles corresponding to
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his wife in the particular, but also from that stems out the more general ripples of his duty
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to society and those women who are not his wife. There's still a general sense of women and children
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first, not just the woman I happen to be married to. And I do think that you can make a biblical
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argument from principle and deriving principles, an implicit argument that there is a female
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equivalency of chivalry, or at least that there should be, and that in healthy societies throughout
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history there has been, where the woman uniquely and directly submits to her husband. She doesn't
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directly submit to all men, but there is a general deference, a spirit of general submission
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submission afforded to all men, even those who are not her father or husband, while there's a
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direct and more formal higher degree of submission to the man who actually is her husband. And I say
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all that to say, it's not enough. If we want to right the ship, it's not enough that we just don't
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have women preaching on the Lord's day, that we just tell Beth Moore to go home, as glorious as
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that is, and I appreciate it. But it's not enough just to say women can't preach and they can't be
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elders and the man is the head of the home. The nation is, in a sense, a home. What is a nation
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other than an extended family, an extended household, and a nation that puts women in
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positions to rule over men, even outside the home in the church, but in politics, in government,
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in culture, even in industry, in business, is a nation that is misordered. It is usurping the
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roles and duties of men and women because it is neglecting and just directly disagreeing
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with the nature, the distinct differences in nature of men and women. So that's all we got
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Right now, we have a nine-part series with myself and Pastor Andrew Isker on all things
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surrounding the topic, the hot topic of the day, Israel.
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How to think about modern Israel today, ethnically.
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Are these really the same as, you know, the people of Abraham, you know, and nationally,
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covenantally, spiritually, all these different things?
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The whole psyop of Judeo-Christian, Christianity and Christian values, nine episodes.
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Each episode is about an hour in length with myself and Pastor Andrew Isker.
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but it'll take weeks or actually a couple of months
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Go to patreon.com forward slash right response ministries.
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Patreon.com forward slash right response ministries.
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but you will also get, that's a nine part series.
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You'll get a 10 part series, 10 hours of content
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for several months. It'll start slow dripping out one episode per week in April and May and June.
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So you'll have to wait almost six months to get all 10 of these episodes. But it's a 10-part
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series on Christian nationalism and how to actually implement Christian nationalism. So
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the theology, the political philosophy, the theological framework, and also the practical
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implementation and some of the hurdles that will have to be overcome for Christian nationalism,
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particularly in these United States of America. It's with myself and Dr. Stephen Wolf, who wrote
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the case for Christian nationalism. So, we had him in the studio. Same thing. You can wait months
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for it to drip out one episode at a time, beginning in April, or you can get all 10 episodes
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available today, ad-free, again, exclusively for our Patreon members. Again, that's patreon.com
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forward slash Right Response Ministries. And the final thing I'll say, I'll be remiss if I don't
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mention it one final time, April 3rd, 4th, and 5th, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, April 3rd, 4th,
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and 5th. We have our conference coming up. It's Christ is King, How to Defeat Trash World. We've
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got an all-star lineup, a lot of guys, guys that we don't agree with on everything. We're going to
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have multiple panels, and we'll probably see some of those debates. We're going to have a formal
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debate between Dr. Stephen Wolf and Pastor David Reese on theonomy versus natural law. And so we're
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going to actually have the debate. Stephen Wolf defending natural law and David Reese
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going against him in terms of natural law. And so we're going to have that formal debate. It'll
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be 90 minutes long. Wes is going to be moderating that debate. But we're also going to have other
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panels in addition to that with guys like Steve Dace and guys like Oren McIntyre. I mean, you've
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got Dusty Devers. You've got Eric Kahn and Andrew Isker and CJ Engel and all these different guys,
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A.D. Robles, John Harris. And so we're super excited about this conference. It's going to be,
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I believe, seven or eight main sessions and three panels. One of those a formal debate. The other
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ones where we're hashing it out. We're trying to figure out how do we defeat trash world? What does
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the Bible say? How does Christian nationalism actually work here in America? Who can we actually
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be co-belligerents with? Who can we not? Where do we draw the lines? All these kinds of conversations
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are going to be happening. And more than that, right? Because you can eventually get the content
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online. But more than that, it's the camaraderie. It's the brotherhood that we've been talking about
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in this episode. It's the chance to touch grass and get offline and be in flesh and blood with
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a thousand other people who are like-minded. To get just that annual reminder that you're not
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crazy. And perhaps even more importantly than that, that you're not alone. It's to network and
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to make friendships. Real friendships are made. We've had weddings that have come out of our
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conference, not just friendships, but marriages. And so, we strongly encourage you to go to
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Right Response Conference. So, not Right Response Ministries. This one's different.
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RightResponseConference.com. RightResponseConference.com to register for the conference today.
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And if you can't come because you're in New Zealand or Australia or whatever,
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first, I'm sorry. May God bless you. Living in some of these police states. You're living in
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the heart of trash world. But for those of you who just, you can't come for practical reasons
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because you're international or you live here, but you're across the country and you don't have
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the finances to be able to travel or to take off work, we get it. Then I just see point A. Let me
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divert you back to what I said earlier, are Patreon members. Not only do you get the nine-part
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series on Israel with Andrew Isker and the 10-part series on Christian nationalism with Stephen Wolfe,
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but you also will be able to live stream in real time. You're going to be able to live stream
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every single piece of content, all seven or eight main sessions, all three panels.
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As it's happening, you're going to be able to live stream the entirety of the conference.
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And simply by being a Patreon member, you can get all the series, the Israel series,
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the Christian nationalism series for, I think, our lowest tier, the silver tier, $5 a month.
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But for the live stream of the conference, that is the gold tier, which I believe is $10 a month.
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And I would encourage you to go ahead and not wait, but sign up and get ready now.
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You can start enjoying the content from Isker and Wolf, and then you'll be ready in two and a half months.
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It's not far away, two and a half months to be able to live stream the conference if you're