The NXR Podcast - THE LIVESTREAM - Andrew Tate Clueless Christians

00:00:00.000 Leave us a five-star review on your favorite podcast platform.

00:00:03.960 I get it.

00:00:04.620 It's annoying.

00:00:05.380 Everybody asks, but I'm going to tell you why.

00:00:07.660 When you give us a positive review, what that does is it triggers the algorithm so that

00:00:12.440 our podcast shows up on more people's news feeds.

00:00:16.280 You and I both know that this ministry is willing to talk about things that most ministries

00:00:20.820 aren't.

00:00:21.860 We need this content for the glory of God to reach more people's ears.

00:00:30.000 Andrew Tate is everywhere, apparently even in Christian middle schools.

00:00:36.900 To some, he's a symbol of strength and success, a man who's got it all, money, power, and

00:00:43.260 influence.

00:00:43.780 To others, he's a dangerous voice tapping into the frustrations of young men in a society

00:00:50.540 that's lost its grip on masculinity.

00:00:53.500 But here's the question.

00:00:56.380 Is he right?

00:00:57.580 Should we agree with Tate's version of manhood, or is there perhaps something deeper, something biblical, that's missing from the conversation?

00:01:07.040 This episode is brought to you by our premier sponsors, Armored Republic and Reese Fund, as well as our Patreon members and our faithful donors.

00:01:16.280 You can join our Patreon at patreon.com forward slash Right Response Ministries, or you can donate at rightresponseministries.com forward slash donate.

00:01:27.960 Today, we're pulling back the curtain on what this phenomenon reveals about masculinity in America, and especially masculinity here in the American church.

00:01:38.640 Tune in now.

00:01:46.280 All right. I'm going to shoot you straight right here from the outset. This is a conversation 0.95

00:01:53.020 that the evangelical school moms will not appreciate. If you are hate watching,

00:01:59.140 God bless you. Welcome. We appreciate you triggering the algorithm on our behalf. You're

00:02:03.480 doing the Lord's work. We couldn't do this without you. This ministry would barely even be known if

00:02:08.960 it was not for the rank feminist within the church, also known as complementarian women, 1.00

00:02:14.180 typically above the age of 55. So Lord bless you. I personally thank you from the bottom of my heart

00:02:20.520 two years ago. Nobody knew who I was. You made that happen and you deserve the credit. And I

00:02:25.780 want to recognize you here from the outset of this episode. That said, you will most undoubtedly

00:02:31.540 hate this episode. We are going to say things that are biblically true and faithful to God

00:02:36.060 first and foremost. Some of those things you will agree with. Many of those things you will not agree

00:02:41.160 with because what we're going to explore from the scripture in regards to masculinity will not be

00:02:48.620 the full takedown of figures like Andrew Tate that you want because I believe that many people within

00:02:58.400 the evangelical church are out of step with what the Bible actually teaches about masculinity.

00:03:03.600 Are there problems with Andrew Tate? No duh. Is the sky blue? Is the grass green? Of course.

00:03:10.260 the dude is a muslim he's a muslim which to be frank if he had made a better choice a few years

00:03:18.140 ago and truly repented of some of his failures and not just clarified and not just explained 0.86

00:03:23.500 right and for the record who else does that evangelical pastors right never issuing an

00:03:28.100 apology just to actually i apologize for you misunderstanding me let me clarify i'm not going

00:03:33.640 to apologize i'm going to clarify because the problem is on your ability to interpret what i

00:03:38.540 said and not the fact that I'm actually saying something now that directly contradicts what I

00:03:42.620 said before. So Tate did not apologize. From what we see, there doesn't seem to be genuine repentance

00:03:47.320 or any of those things. However, we tolerate a lot of American pastors who seem to do the very same

00:03:53.880 thing. Now, there are problems, like I already stated. He's a Muslim. If he had chosen a few

00:03:58.940 years ago to repent of his sin, to publicly acknowledge it, which he did, but with real

00:04:03.840 godly sorrow and not merely worldly sorrow and to embrace christ and christianity um and not

00:04:10.680 islam well i think that andrew tate could have been mightily used by the lord to take over the

00:04:18.100 world um towards christendom and to inspire many young men in a positive way i think there has been

00:04:23.900 some positive inspiration i think there's been a lot of negative inspiration but it could have

00:04:28.460 been incredibly positive had he joined the christian faith but i want to say this part of

00:04:34.060 the reason that he didn't and we need to be honest about this as christians part of the reason he

00:04:38.260 didn't is because the options laid bare before him during that moment of his life when he began

00:04:44.240 to consider religion and embracing a religion the options laid before him at least here in the west

00:04:50.440 and particularly here in america as it pertains to the christian religion option were incredibly 0.95

00:04:56.140 fake gay effeminate weak it wasn't it was not a robust historic biblical masculine christianity 0.94

00:05:05.680 and so islam seemed a whole lot more masculine when andrew tate was making this choice than 0.99

00:05:12.920 christianity did and you might say well wait a second i thought that you were reformed i thought

00:05:17.900 that you believed in the sovereignty of god yes when it comes to the ultimate reason for anyone's

00:05:23.640 conversion the ultimate reason is always the sovereign perfect unconditional election of God

00:05:28.600 but God works through means right so if we say so and so came to saving faith and they did so

00:05:34.500 because God elected them before the foundations of the world were laid then yes and amen if we

00:05:39.200 also say so and so came to saving faith in Christ and they did so because so and so another person

00:05:45.220 shared with him the gospel doing the work of an evangelist and they heard that news with faith

00:05:51.600 and put their trust in Jesus? Both answers are true. Those answers, they can both be true not

00:05:56.920 because of embracing relativism. They can both be true because they're not in contradiction.

00:06:01.980 There are two explanations. One is the human agency, the secondary causes, and then one is

00:06:07.360 primary and ultimate and eternal, God's agency. God's agency is first, it's initial, it's ultimate,

00:06:14.360 but the human agency is true as well. Why does God save certain people? Why does God do certain

00:06:19.840 things. One, because he's sovereign and he ordains all which comes to pass. Two, because he works

00:06:25.360 through means in the created cosmos, which he established, and he works primarily through human

00:06:30.560 agency. So he works sovereignly of his own account, but also through the prayers of the saints,

00:06:35.840 the evangelism of the saints. And so too, I believe that number one, Andrew Tate, as it currently rests,

00:06:42.260 is not, as far as we know, a born again believer because God sovereignly has chosen thus far not

00:06:48.160 to save him. That's the ultimate answer. It is not the exclusive answer. It is also true to say

00:06:53.960 he is currently not a Christian in part in the realm of secondary causes and human agency because

00:07:00.460 the church here in America and the West at large has presented to men like Andrew Tate a Christianity

00:07:08.180 that is feminized and it is repulsive to any man with any degree who can even show up on a reading

00:07:17.640 of any testosterone whatsoever. Any guy who has testosterone in his veins is repulsed at some

00:07:25.780 level with Christianity. And many of those guys, because God is merciful and gracious,

00:07:31.040 do still come to saving faith, but they come despite the feminism in the church,

00:07:35.700 not because of it. And to illustrate this point, I want to start by showing you not Andrew Tate

00:07:41.380 and the things that he said. We'll get into some of those things a little bit later in the episode.

00:07:45.020 But first, I want to criticize the church, which I'm a part of, that judgment begins

00:07:51.280 with the house of God.

00:07:52.300 I want to start with my people, with my community first.

00:07:56.000 As an evangelical Christian pastor, I want to begin not with what Tate has said, but

00:08:01.560 the way that the church has responded and reacted.

00:08:05.160 And if you're wondering in terms of the timing, just to give a little bit of context and some

00:08:09.380 of the narrative here, a little bit of the chronological sequence of events.

00:08:13.920 Tate pops up in the public discourse like a yo-yo, just keeps coming back up again and again and again and again. But this specific time, the most recent time over these past few days, the reason, as far as I can tell, is because Benny Johnson, who was a part of Big Con, or Big Conservative Inc., I like to call it Big Con, he announced that he's going to be having Andrew Tate on his show.

00:08:40.440 He's going to be interviewing him.

00:08:41.800 And so everybody on the right got up in arms.

00:08:43.820 You're Ben Shapiros, you know, these kinds of guys.

00:08:46.200 How could you? 0.56

00:08:46.940 Oh, no.

00:08:47.440 How could you?

00:08:48.160 How could you?

00:08:48.660 I can't believe it.

00:08:49.800 And that filtered down to the church world.

00:08:52.020 You can count on the church to always be, you know, behind the culture, not leading anything, at least not for the last 50 to 130 years.

00:08:58.920 The church used to set the culture as it followed and encouraged the spirit of God.

00:09:02.940 But because we've relinquished that courage, we are now behind the culture, following the culture.

00:09:08.000 So, the church got into this discourse over the last few days, not leading the discourse,

00:09:13.000 but simply following it.

00:09:14.480 Benny Johnson said, I'm going to have, you know, Andrew Tate come on the show.

00:09:18.080 Big con, big conservative ink outside of the church world that's not necessarily distinctly

00:09:22.720 Christian.

00:09:23.240 They started to throw a fit, and then Christian pastors said, oh, what is the conservative

00:09:28.840 culture outside of the church doing? 0.95

00:09:30.800 I should do the same.

00:09:32.120 And then we followed suit, and then it trickled down to all the school marms within the evangelical

00:09:37.180 church, and now we're having this conversation. So let me show to you, I'm going to give three

00:09:41.380 different examples of responses. These are all from Christians, and at least one of them is a

00:09:46.560 Christian pastor. Here's the first tweet. We'll pull it up on the screen. I'll read it for your

00:09:51.220 listening enjoyment. He says this. This is a Christian leader. Want to be a real man? Here

00:09:58.500 is what to watch for and the true key to manhood. He then begins to quote scripture. Here's the

00:10:05.120 scripture but evil men and imposters will grow worse and worse deceiving and being deceived

00:10:11.060 but you must continue in the things which you have learned which you have learned and been

00:10:17.080 assured of knowing from whom you have learned them and that from childhood you have known the

00:10:23.280 holy scriptures which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in christ

00:10:29.000 Jesus. Then back to his commentary, the tweet, all scripture is given by inspiration of God

00:10:34.920 and is profitable. Actually, this is more scripture. I apologize. All scripture is

00:10:38.980 given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction,

00:10:44.160 and for instruction and righteousness that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped

00:10:49.800 for every good work. Then another Christian responded. This is a Christian leader who said 0.79

00:10:55.780 this. And he responded, the guy, the initial post is quoting 2 Timothy 3, verses 13 through 17. So

00:11:03.540 this is the Apostle Paul underneath the inspiration of the Holy Spirit writing to one of his dear

00:11:08.140 sons in the faith, a young pastor by the name of Timothy, and giving him counsel. It's good

00:11:13.060 counsel. It's biblical counsel. It's inscripturated. We agree with it 100%. But in the comment section

00:11:18.980 underneath this tweet, another Christian, he responded by saying, what should my sons take

00:11:24.040 away from this that's any different than what my daughters should take away? Or is the true key to

00:11:31.580 womanhood exactly the same as the true key to manhood? A fantastic question. A fantastic 0.99

00:11:39.800 question. Essentially, this is the play that I have witnessed again and again and again for years now

00:11:48.820 within the evangelical church here in America and in the West in a general sense. The play is this,

00:11:54.820 every single time the topic of biblical manhood comes up, the counsel and advice that's immediately

00:12:00.280 given by Christians and even Christian leaders and Christian pastors is something that you could

00:12:05.560 apply to your sons just as easily and just as much relevant of an application to your daughters.

00:12:13.540 there's nothing distinctly masculine about it and that leads us really to the next couple of

00:12:20.060 tweets so let's go ahead and pull up the second tweet now we have this it's from one of my friends

00:12:25.960 eric khan who is a pastor he's a christian and he speaks about manhood and he's one of the few

00:12:31.900 christian pastors who speaks about manhood in a way that is both biblical and actually

00:12:37.060 masculine he talks about manhood in a manly way he says the following a pietist pay a play to

00:12:45.060 watch out for here it is real masculinity is dot dot dot parentheses list spiritual qualities that

00:12:53.200 a woman or child could do close quotation marks close parentheses then the next thing he says

00:12:59.940 it's not about list genuine masculine competencies virtues and skills that throughout history have

00:13:06.840 been markers of authentic masculinity, close parentheses, close quotations. Essentially what

00:13:13.280 Eric is saying is this, the pietist play within the evangelical Western church that you need to 0.82

00:13:20.500 watch out for is this, guys will essentially say real masculinity is X, Y, Z, and X, Y, Z, be assured

00:13:28.740 will represent some kind of spiritual characteristic that is good, that is biblical,

00:13:35.040 but it is not distinctly or uniquely for men it's something for all christians whether you're a man

00:13:42.020 whether you're a woman whether you're a child whether you're a grandma or grandpa or an aunt

00:13:45.960 or an uncle or anybody so people say true biblical manhood and then they'll quote galatians chapter

00:13:51.660 five is the fruit of the spirit love joy peace well the fruit of the spirit is not distinctly

00:13:56.980 or exclusively masculine the fruit of the spirit is for all belief because it's the spirit and the

00:14:02.180 Spirit does present himself as the third member of the Trinity in masculine ways and using masculine

00:14:08.880 pronouns. We have God the Father, God the Son, and He, not it and certainly not she, but He,

00:14:15.160 the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is a person. He presents himself as a masculine person using the

00:14:20.060 masculine pronouns. But the fruit of the Spirit is not exclusive for men. The fruit of the Spirit

00:14:25.460 is for every single believer, whether they be a man, woman, or child, that is filled with

00:14:30.420 the Holy Spirit. If you are a believer, your body is now a temple of the Holy Spirit. The Spirit of

00:14:36.080 God, third member of the Trinity, dwells within you. The indwelling ministry of the Spirit and

00:14:40.800 the fruit, that is the visible characteristics and manifestations of the Spirit, now are going

00:14:46.960 to be manifest in your life, whether you're a male Christian or a female Christian. Love, joy,

00:14:52.160 peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, faithfulness, and self-control are both for women

00:14:57.740 and for men but that's the play that's what you'll hear you'll hear from evangelical pastors they'll

00:15:04.720 say well true biblical masculinity is blank and the blank that they'll offer is something that

00:15:10.740 is biblical it is from scripture but it's some particular scripture or biblical principle that

00:15:16.260 applies it's not gender specific it applies to both men and women equally alike and then what

00:15:22.340 they'll say if that was not enough they'll then say in the reverse and the counter they'll say

00:15:27.440 so true biblical masculinity is this general biblical principle that's for men and women alike

00:15:32.760 and what's not true biblical masculinity then they'll get specific with things that are actually

00:15:39.060 masculine traits they'll say ambition discipline um uh aggression strength right these kinds of

00:15:48.940 things that's that's not what biblical masculinity is about i mean how many books have you read

00:15:53.100 they say biblical masculinity it's not about being able to change the oil on your car it's not about

00:15:57.580 being fit and strong when you go into the gym it's not about you know taking the next hill and

00:16:02.780 having ambition and having to drive it's not about any of those things what is it actually about

00:16:07.480 it's about gentleness you know because jesus was gentle you bet you he was gentle 100 of the time

00:16:13.720 and he exercised the fruit of the spirit that is gentleness full of the holy spirit says john

00:16:19.120 chapter two fool the holy spirit and exercising spiritual gentleness perfectly as he fashions a

00:16:25.660 whip out of cords begins to throw over tables of the money changers in the temple begins to whip

00:16:32.220 people and screams and yells in their faces and drives them out of the temple because zeal not

00:16:39.560 just mr rogers you know level-headedness and even keel but zeal zealous masculine zeal for his

00:16:46.800 father's house consumed him that is gentleness as gentleness is exercised through a christian

00:16:54.780 man men are different than women first peter first peter chapter three in describing women it says

00:17:02.360 what's the chief characteristic of women and godly women even or especially i might say a godly woman

00:17:09.400 she is chiefly depicted as one who contains beauty, not strength. The Proverbs say again and

00:17:18.040 again, what is the power of a young man? What's the defining characteristic of young men? Young

00:17:23.740 men are strong. Strength. Men, strength. Women, beauty. It's not the same descriptive noun that's

00:17:33.980 describing. It's a different one. It's distinct. For women, it's beauty. For men, it's strength.

00:17:39.160 And then even furthermore, in 1 Peter 3, well, what kind of beauty?

00:17:43.880 Well, not merely outward beauty, beauty of the hair or makeup or these kinds of things,

00:17:50.820 but first and foremost, in the sight of God, the feminine beauty that makes a woman of

00:17:57.000 God, a godly woman beautiful in the sight of God, is not an outward beauty, but beauty

00:18:01.620 of the heart, an inward beauty. 0.88

00:18:03.080 And what is inward beauty of the heart for women, a feminine inward beauty?

00:18:09.160 Well, it's a quiet and gentle spirit.

00:18:12.180 The Bible does not say that the strength of a man, what makes a man a godly masculine

00:18:20.060 man is having inwardly a quiet and gentle spirit.

00:18:23.820 No, that is actually one of the places in scripture that's speaking that it's not genderless,

00:18:31.060 something that applies to both men and women equally, but that one is gender specific.

00:18:35.260 It's distinct.

00:18:36.500 It's actually referring to women.

00:18:38.220 what makes a woman godly beauty what kind of beauty inward what's inward beauty what does

00:18:44.940 that look like quietness and gentleness quietness and gentleness the same person who who um you know

00:18:52.640 the same holy spirit divine person who inspires this text in first peter chapter 3 also inspires

00:18:58.140 the apostle paul in first corinthians 14 when he says it is shameful it is shameful for a woman 0.95

00:19:03.960 to speak in church but she must remain silent silent in keeping in step with what with beauty 0.95

00:19:13.860 not mere subjugation there is a spirit of submission but it's also beauty now let's go

00:19:19.520 ahead and pull up the last tweet here the last tweet because this is the play eric khan is

00:19:24.400 absolutely right it's the pietist play and if you're not familiar with that word if you're

00:19:28.540 tuning in maybe for the first time, piety, P-I-E-T-Y, piety and Christian tradition is a

00:19:35.920 positive thing. What is piety? Well, it's personal holiness. It's somebody who's practicing personal

00:19:42.800 spiritual disciplines in their life, like scripture reading and study and prayer and fasting and

00:19:49.440 generosity, almsgiving to the poor and those who are in need. That's piety. It just means holiness.

00:19:54.480 So piety is a good and positive thing that all Christians should pursue. 0.74

00:19:59.240 Pietism, like most words, when you add the ism at the end, the ISM, becomes something negative.

00:20:06.740 Piety, driven towards personal holiness.

00:20:09.880 Yes and amen, that's wonderful.

00:20:11.700 Pietism is, it's pie in the sky, it's head in the clouds, it's the old expression,

00:20:19.680 the old adage, if you've ever heard of it, being so heavenly-minded that you're no longer any

00:20:26.620 earthly good. It's the tendency, the incessant, insufferable tendency to over-spiritualize

00:20:34.960 everything, right? Well, the answer to everything is just preach the gospel, right? If you have an

00:20:40.040 intruder in your home, well, I mean, just preach the gospel even harder. Well, you can preach the

00:20:44.600 gospel when you're standing over that intruder after shooting them twice in the chest, then

00:20:49.160 preach the gospel. If he's still alive, maybe he comes to saving faith, and that's great,

00:20:53.000 and he can go and be in heaven. But the first thing you do is you protect your wife and kids

00:20:57.760 with your God-given duties as a man by not sitting there and trying to persuade him for 30 minutes

00:21:04.120 with a gospel presentation, but by simply putting two in his chest. That is a good,

00:21:09.820 masculine Christian response, and that's not in conflict with preaching the gospel. That's not in

00:21:14.660 conflict with biblical masculinity whatsoever. It's good and right. Pietism over-spiritualizes

00:21:21.620 everything. In some ways, it's distinct, but it's similar and linked to Gnosticism. Gnosticism,

00:21:28.940 again, is an over-spiritualization where the physical doesn't matter at all. You're 300 pounds

00:21:33.760 and you preach on the Lord's day. Well, as long as your exegesis is correct, as long as it's

00:21:38.160 a good sermon, your physical life is of no account. It doesn't really matter at all. The

00:21:43.820 physical doesn't matter at all. Biblically speaking, that's wrong. Every single day of 0.71

00:21:49.960 creation, when God makes something, at the end of it, he says, it is good. It is good. It is good.

00:21:54.440 God has compassion on all he has made within the physical cosmos. God loves the physical world,

00:22:00.900 even our own bodies. We're called to exercise stewardship over our physical bodies. Paul,

00:22:05.860 when he's writing, again, to another young man in the faith, he says this. He says that

00:22:10.140 spiritual training, that's ultimate, that has the most value. But then he says physical training is

00:22:15.980 still of some value. So he's able to triage, prioritize and say, yeah, the spiritual and

00:22:21.120 eternal matters more, but the spiritual mattering more does not mean the physical doesn't matter

00:22:26.080 at all. We don't get that these days. We've over-spiritualized everything. Maybe it's just

00:22:34.480 because of the soy levels in our food. We're trying to make excuses for the fact that we're

00:22:38.660 all out of shape. But that's what Christians in the West have done, is we over-spiritualize 1.00

00:22:44.200 everything to where it's perfectly fine. The physical world around us, politics, culture, 0.97

00:22:52.260 being in shape, health, all these things, we're ultimately just justifying the physical world,

00:23:00.720 going to hell in a handbasket, because we console ourselves by saying that the spiritual is all

00:23:07.480 that matters. Okay, I'm ready for the third tweet now. Let's bring it up. Here it is. This last one

00:23:12.860 is from a Christian pastor. The previous one was Eric Kahn. He's a Christian pastor. He's a friend.

00:23:17.980 I agree with him. This is a Christian pastor that I had never heard of before yesterday,

00:23:22.160 and this is a Christian pastor who I'm sure is great in many regards, but in this particular

00:23:26.840 regard, I do not agree with him. I could not possibly disagree any more than I do. I radically

00:23:33.840 and vehemently disagree. So he says Esau was a paragon of modern masculinity. He was hairy,

00:23:42.160 the Bible says, probably had a great beard, a hunter, very manly, not a mama's boy. He's thinking 0.99

00:23:48.300 of Jacob. Jacob was not a mama's boy. I don't have time to get into that, but not a mama's boy. He 0.92

00:23:53.560 was a man's man if there ever was one. And then he quotes scripture. This is Hebrews. See to it 0.94

00:24:00.260 that there'd be no immoral or godless person like Esau, close quotations. And then his final

00:24:06.500 statement, maybe those things aren't biblical manliness after all. Yeah. And then of course,

00:24:14.100 he was thinking, yeah, he thought he was cooking. Allie Bestucki, of course, loved it. She came out,

00:24:18.640 you know, radical feminist. She loved it. She was a good point. No, that's not a good point. 0.96

00:24:23.640 see to it that no one is immoral or ungodly like Esau the two key words there is immoral and

00:24:31.860 ungodly notice what's not said and the author to the Hebrews under the inspiration of the Holy

00:24:37.560 Spirit he does not say see to it that no one is masculine like Esau or no one is hairy like Esau

00:24:42.680 or nobody has a beard like Esau or nobody hunts game like Esau no the thing to avoid says the

00:24:50.280 author to the Hebrews in God's holy writ is, don't be immoral like Esau. Don't be ungodly like Esau.

00:24:57.600 And then that text goes on. What was it that was immoral about Esau? Well, you know, he was a

00:25:02.560 hunter and God hates hunting. No, what was immoral about Esau is that he despised his birthright,

00:25:09.280 that he counted his own heritage as though it was nothing, that he had the birthright and he was

00:25:17.520 the heir to his father in a covenantal sense that he was going to be the heir to his father and

00:25:24.560 receive the blessing from his patriarch, from the fathers. And he despised it. He didn't care

00:25:30.740 about family. He didn't care about heritage. He didn't care about blessing. He didn't care about

00:25:36.180 future. He didn't care about calling or responsibility or any of these things. But at

00:25:41.400 the end of the day, he cared more about a bowl of soup. He was a man who was not in control. He had

00:25:46.320 not mastered his own passions. He was hungry, and in a moment of temptation and physical weakness,

00:25:53.740 hunger, he was not able to master his own physical appetite in a moment in order to prioritize his

00:26:01.180 indefinite future. That moment of satiating his physical hunger was more substantial, more

00:26:08.120 important to him, and prioritized over a lifetime of blessing and royalty and kingly nobility of

00:26:16.260 receiving the blessing and the birthright, which he despised. That's what made him immoral. And I

00:26:22.120 can make argument after argument that those things are actually not, are those things too masculine

00:26:27.120 and it's being too masculine that equates to immorality and ungodliness, but those things

00:26:31.900 are actually effeminate. It is the sheer absence of masculinity. It is him not being a man because

00:26:39.020 a man is able to discipline his body. Paul, the apostle elsewhere in scripture says, I beat my 0.89

00:26:45.380 flesh and make it my slave. That Paul, in a masculine way, he's able to master his own

00:26:52.720 fleshly passions, which Esau did not. So it's the effeminacy and the absence of biblical masculinity

00:26:59.360 and Esau that actually causes him to be known now as the immoral and ungodly man. So this is a

00:27:06.820 terrible, terrible take. So all that being said, I'm going to give it to both Michael Belch and

00:27:13.100 Wesley Todd. I've talked enough, but my main point is this. When we talk about gender in the church,

00:27:18.440 when we talk about men and women, Eric Kahn, he hit the nail on the head. What we incessantly do

00:27:25.620 without fail, without fail, is we say, you want to be a real man? And then we cite a scripture

00:27:31.580 that applies just as much to women as it does men. And then we say, and what you don't need to do,

00:27:37.120 and then we begin describing unique masculine traits.

00:27:41.280 What you don't need to do is work out and be strong.

00:27:43.880 What you don't need to do is have zeal and ambition. 0.97

00:27:46.720 What you don't, but then when we give advice to women,

00:27:49.780 when we give advice to women, we don't tell women,

00:27:52.120 hey, you know what?

00:27:52.760 You wanna be godly and beautiful in the sight of the Lord?

00:27:56.500 This is what you should do.

00:27:58.240 Talk less, be quiet, be gentle 1.00

00:28:03.560 and don't ever speak in church why because it's shameful for a woman to speak in church 1.00

00:28:12.120 that's not me interpreting scripture that's me quoting scripture we don't give that advice to

00:28:17.900 women instead the advice we give to women is the in the practical realm is the exact exact

00:28:23.740 practical advice that just 30 40 and especially 50 years ago would have been the common sense

00:28:30.120 advice given by every father to his son, right? What are women encouraged to do now? In the church, 1.00

00:28:36.860 in little women, seven-year-old little girls in Sunday school, in church, the advice that they're

00:28:43.300 given is, you know what, you should really take charge more. Be more ambitious. Be more outgoing.

00:28:52.280 Exercise more confidence. Be more confident. Stand up for yourself. We're literally telling women

00:28:59.140 little women young girls in the church i'm not talking about vogue magazine i'm talking about

00:29:04.940 sunday school in evangelical christian churches here in these united states of america the advice

00:29:11.200 being given is the exact advice back in the 50s and 60s and even a little bit in the 70s that a

00:29:17.580 father would have given to his son and meanwhile the advice that we give to boys is you know what

00:29:23.500 and especially to their parents he seems a little distracted maybe if we chemically castrate him with

00:29:28.660 some drugs you know or we just need to teach him a little bit more about gentleness and quietness

00:29:34.540 we literally take the verse of the bible given to describe feminine beauty inward feminine beauty

00:29:42.340 that is beautiful in the sight of god in first peter three that's distinctly uh prescribed to

00:29:48.620 women and we prescribe that to men and we start young when they're boys we say you know what what

00:29:55.140 does a boy need to learn? He needs to learn to be gentle. And he needs to learn to be quiet. And he

00:30:00.900 needs to learn to be still. We need to encourage young boys to be beautiful women, according to

00:30:08.740 God's word given to women in 1 Peter 3. That is the current state of the discourse. And that is,

00:30:15.560 in a nutshell, pretty much all the reactions that we've seen on X and elsewhere on social media,

00:30:21.360 Instagram I don't even go on Instagram we don't we don't hardly do any we used to post on Instagram

00:30:26.020 we stopped about a year ago because this is what I realized Instagram is a social media platform for

00:30:30.900 women and so naturally I am not very appreciated in a place like that and so we primarily try to

00:30:37.340 stick to other social media platforms but I have no doubt on Instagram certainly I saw it on X

00:30:42.780 for the last few days Benny Johnson said I'm going to have Andrew Tate he's a part of big

00:30:47.500 conservative inc big con so all the big con guys ben shapiro they come out how could you this is

00:30:52.580 detestable this is you know blah blah blah and then of course that trickled down to the evangelical

00:30:57.020 conservative conservative is in quotation marks here if you're just listening the conservative

00:31:02.360 evangelical pastors they then followed suit with ben shapiro and said yeah we don't like it either

00:31:07.260 this is terrible it's not biblical and we got all the hot takes uh that you know in the name of

00:31:14.280 biblical fidelity that are not biblical at all, that essentially all boil down to the same thing.

00:31:19.640 When it comes to being masculine, you should do the things that the Bible says that apply equally

00:31:24.480 to men and women. And what you should avoid is the things that are actually distinctly manly.

00:31:30.220 That's where we're at. My point is this. If you don't like Andrew Tate, evangelical church,

00:31:35.880 you created him andrew tate is frankenstein well no he's the monster and the evangelical church

00:31:44.680 you are frankenstein dr frankenstein he is your creation nature abhors a vacuum and in a vacuum 0.83

00:31:51.660 a complete absence of masculinity in a guy gynocracy in a world run by women where we just 0.96

00:31:59.420 watched Pete Hedgewith being, you know, Hedgeth in the American longhouse with all the school 1.00

00:32:07.460 marms, you know, your Elizabeth Warren and all these people, you know, the cackling hens, you

00:32:13.340 know, for hours just sitting there, you know, his eyes, you know, he had to close them because they

00:32:17.580 were probably rolling so far back in his head, you know, that it was going to endanger, jeopardize

00:32:22.800 his chances of, you know, being approved. We just watched that. Every man, every man with even an

00:32:28.260 ounce of masculinity and testosterone coursing through his veins. He watches that. They watch

00:32:33.020 Pete and they say, I've been there, been there, been there. I know that feeling. It's on that

00:32:38.340 backdrop, in that context of absolute rank feminism in every single realm of American 1.00

00:32:45.440 culture, including the Christian church, that's where you get. Nature abhors a vacuum. That's 1.00

00:32:50.500 where you get Andrew Tate. Is Andrew Tate biblical? No. Is he a great example of biblical masculinity?

00:32:57.400 no but there is masculinity there there is masculinity it is and here's the deal the rubber

00:33:05.500 band has been stretched too far for too long and what we are currently witnessing at every level

00:33:10.700 is it's snapping back at rapid speed globalism snapping back to nationalism feminism snapping

00:33:19.020 back to patriarchy there will be a return to masculinity there will nature abhors a vacuum 1.00

00:33:25.320 we have been feministic for too long and feminism doesn't work stupid doesn't work and so eventually 0.98

00:33:32.540 nature is healing it's restored and so here's here's the reality it's not whether but simply 0.98

00:33:39.160 which we will have a return to nationalism it'll either be islamic national nationalism judeo

00:33:45.700 nationalism pagan nationalism or christian nationalism we will have a return to patriarchy

00:33:51.280 It'll either be Andrew Tate patriarchy, or it will be Christian, biblical patriarchy. 0.96

00:33:57.380 And if you want to make sure that Andrew Tate wins, then keep giving the advice, Christian

00:34:02.360 pastors in America, that you've been giving. 0.83

00:34:05.160 You are ensuring, because masculinity is inevitable.

00:34:10.020 It's coming back.

00:34:11.180 It is coming back.

00:34:12.180 Patriarchy is coming back.

00:34:14.260 And you can either try to stand in the gap and create a third way of complementarianism

00:34:20.000 to stem the tide and get just completely run over and then there'd be no christian alternative

00:34:27.280 no christian version of patriarchy to choose and tate standing there alone as the only example

00:34:35.200 of masculinity flawed although as flawed as he is but the only example of masculinity that there

00:34:42.560 even is and so naturally the only option will be the one that's chosen so it'll either be that 0.87

00:34:48.180 or some Christian men will go and fill in the gap and say, Tate, his instincts are actually right. 0.94

00:34:57.420 They're debased. They're debased and corrupted by sin and the absence of Christ. But the raw 0.57

00:35:04.680 instincts in the natural realm are actually correct. And here is the Christian version. 0.93

00:35:10.980 everything you love about Tate, but elevated and restored by grace instead of debased by sin.

00:35:19.160 Here is Christian masculinity. Here is biblical patriarchy. It'll be that. And if there's that, 0.73

00:35:26.040 then there were many young men by the grace of God who will choose biblical patriarchy

00:35:30.060 over Andrew Tate pagan patriarchy or Islamic patriarchy. But if Christian men stay in the 0.92

00:35:37.480 longhouse and their churches continue to be ruled ultimately by the boomer women within their ranks, 0.99

00:35:43.280 the shadow elders, they're not in complementarian churches. They're not actually an elder. They 1.00

00:35:48.300 don't actually have the title. They don't actually preach on the Lord's day, but they do call the

00:35:52.800 shots. They do run the show. If churches in the West, churches in America, even the conservative

00:35:58.180 churches continue to be run by the shadow elders and the male pastors in those places subject

00:36:05.160 themselves to them and try to keep the donor base happy and refuse to be too masculine and therefore

00:36:12.660 present the Christian masculine alternative, then Andrew Tate will be the only thing left on the

00:36:19.040 menu. And it will be chosen because it'll be the only option there is in town. And masculinity

00:36:24.480 is inevitable. What's not inevitable is Christian masculinity. It doesn't have to be Christian. The 1.00

00:36:30.460 world actually, as atrocious as it was, human sacrifices with the Aztecs and the Mayans and 1.00

00:36:35.520 you've got the Nordic Vikings and all these kind of things, the world actually functioned for 0.95

00:36:40.880 thousands of years without Christian masculinity. But it has never functioned for less than a 0.95

00:36:49.200 century without masculinity at all. The world only works. Nature is God, God is nature, that 0.67

00:36:55.420 whole premise. The world only works when it functions according to the natural order that

00:37:00.980 God designed. God made the world. God will not be mocked. A man will reap what he sows. God has

00:37:06.140 installed patriarchy into the fabric of the world that he made. Father rule. That's all patriarchy

00:37:11.300 means. The world was created by the Father, the Heavenly Father, and he has chosen to structure

00:37:17.020 the world in such a way that men will ultimately lead. So the world will not be able to function 0.99

00:37:23.160 long-term with feminism. It will revert back to masculinity, to patriarchy. But what the world can 1.00

00:37:29.100 do, it won't be pretty, but what the world has done before for thousands of years and can do again 1.00

00:37:34.860 if Christians don't get into the ring and fight for a biblical option is the world will return 0.84

00:37:40.740 to masculinity. It just won't be Christian masculinity. It'll be Viking masculinity. It'll 0.99

00:37:45.860 be raw pagan masculinity. It'll be Darwinian masculinity. It'll be Islamic masculinity, 0.99

00:37:51.660 but it will be masculinity. And what I'm trying to advocate for is I would like to see it be 0.94

00:37:56.540 Christian. But Christian masculinity will not be the choice that's chosen if it's not even one of 0.52

00:38:02.680 the options listed on the menu, because all the Christian men have somehow decided that masculinity 0.99

00:38:08.120 is icky. There you go. Let's go to our first commercial break. We'll come right back. We're 1.00

00:38:12.420 going to hear from Michael Belch. Our sponsor, Private Family Banking, wants to help you with

00:38:17.860 one money move that'll implicate itself in multi-generational wealth building starting

00:38:23.620 the first day they help you to avoid taxation and to draw compound interest to your money

00:38:29.380 now if you're a high net worth individual someone who has maybe even 10 million dollars in net worth

00:38:35.580 then they can help you even more w-2 workers contract workers business owners it's all about

00:38:42.580 cash flow and making tax-deferred gains on all your money for the rest of your life. Don't avoid

00:38:49.500 this. It's a big move, but it's a great time to make it. Click the link below and you can get on

00:38:54.740 Chuck DeLaterante's calendar and he'll go over your background and what you want to accomplish.

00:39:00.520 And he's going to help model a program that exactly fits your needs. So go ahead and send

00:39:05.840 an email to chuck at privatefamilybanking.com. Again, that's chuck at privatefamilybanking.com,

00:39:13.700 or you can click the link below. Make a free discovery call now. America is a country that

00:39:19.400 was founded for the purpose of allowing Christians to do their duty before God and not to have their

00:39:23.160 consciences ruled by the doctrines and commandments of men. Reese Fund exists in order to see the Ten

00:39:28.200 Commandments properly applied, not just as a plaque on the wall, but to actually be used in business

00:39:33.380 as though they're commandments from God that we're supposed to obey.

00:39:37.080 Our goal is to find businesses and to buy them and to build them up.

00:39:41.960 We want to find manufacturing businesses and use them to make sure that we can maintain

00:39:45.940 our capacity to do things here.

00:39:48.620 Reese Fund, Christian Capital, boldly deployed.

00:39:55.000 All right, welcome back.

00:39:57.100 Well, what's fascinated me about this whole conversation is the response, right?

00:40:04.460 And I had a little bit more evidence that I was going to show from Twitter and X.

00:40:09.740 I'll go through this pretty quickly, but Nate, you can put some of these up.

00:40:12.320 What's interesting to me is there's kind of a spectrum.

00:40:15.240 It goes everywhere from Andrew Tate is a huge threat to Christians and Christian men, 0.66

00:40:20.460 to Andrew Tate is onto something 0.68

00:40:23.260 to Andrew Tate is a product of the church's feminization.

00:40:27.140 So I'm not going to read all of this,

00:40:28.600 but some of the interesting banners

00:40:31.640 of Andrew Tate's message is a threat.

00:40:35.340 Hans Fien says,

00:40:36.340 you're entitled to whatever you want.

00:40:37.940 You're a victim if the world doesn't validate you.

00:40:39.900 So he's saying that the only thing that Andrew Tate offers

00:40:42.320 is basically male victimology, right?

00:40:46.180 An outrage that I haven't been given what I want,

00:40:48.220 my place in society.

00:40:49.120 And so Andrew Tate gives him permission to take that victim outrage out on the world.

00:40:54.820 Dean Abbott says he, Tate, is popular because he's a symbol of unchecked ego, greed, and lust.

00:41:01.260 He's popular because he gives men permission to indulge their basest impulses.

00:41:06.280 He's popular because he represents moral anarchy.

00:41:08.860 And so basically anything that a young man would find compelling about Andrew Tate is simply their basest impulse.

00:41:14.640 And that needs to be expunged and controlled and diminished.

00:41:19.500 And then Dre Baldwin, actually, he was commenting on this.

00:41:22.540 He says, Andrew Tate speaks of the basest desires of men and tells them how to channel it in positive ways that produce the types of outcome that men are interested in.

00:41:31.180 Making money, outachieving other men, enjoying the company of women.

00:41:34.400 And this was a critique.

00:41:35.380 That wasn't said positively.

00:41:37.300 Owens-Johan, I don't want to group him quite with the same because he did actually give acknowledgement to the fact that there are some male impulses.

00:41:43.960 legitimate male impulses that Andrew Tate is tapping into.

00:41:48.060 So he says he does represent a picture

00:41:51.720 of what men naturally want to be.

00:41:53.700 They don't want to be weak. 1.00

00:41:54.580 They don't want to be cowboy feminism and leftism, et cetera.

00:41:57.480 But then he goes on to say, 0.96

00:41:58.560 but while Tate gives men a pathway to power,

00:42:00.900 discipline, and agency, he too sells a counterfeit.

00:42:04.260 Leftism tells men that they will be men 0.81

00:42:06.540 if they become more like women. 0.72

00:42:08.400 Tateism tells men that they will be men 0.70

00:42:10.700 if they effectively hate women.

00:42:12.880 Neither approach is remotely that of Christ.

00:42:15.140 Both are ultimately bankrupt,

00:42:16.960 even as each system has an element of truth in it.

00:42:19.740 And then, I didn't highlight this,

00:42:21.300 but then he does the Jesus juke.

00:42:22.980 Jesus Christ is the true man.

00:42:24.800 He is the figure men need.

00:42:26.340 Well, we've said before on this show,

00:42:29.600 Jesus came to earth, yes, to give his life as a ransom for many,

00:42:32.900 but that was in service of his mission 0.93

00:42:35.220 to utterly destroy and take back

00:42:38.080 what was rightfully God's that God had given to him. 0.92

00:42:40.520 Like, Jesus' mission was a masculine mission, and the subservience and the giving up of 0.74

00:42:47.580 himself, the denying himself, going to the cross, that was in obedience to God.

00:42:52.040 That was not in a sort of sense where masculinity ought to be seen as pushing aside the virtues

00:42:58.240 of conquest or taking dominion of the earth, beating back evil in a violent and forceful

00:43:06.900 way. 0.80

00:43:08.200 So the Jesus juke there at the end, I just, you know, it was to be expected, but kind of laughed.

00:43:13.160 The first post we looked at, too, from that same author, he said something very similar,

00:43:16.680 that Jesus Christ is the true image of masculinity.

00:43:20.080 And there was certainly a narrow sense in which that is true.

00:43:22.360 There was a first Adam, and Christ is the second Adam, the true man.

00:43:26.440 But Christ is not David. 0.88

00:43:28.420 He's a type of David. 0.85

00:43:29.660 David is not Abraham.

00:43:31.000 Abraham is not Paul.

00:43:32.360 Those men all had different roles.

00:43:34.120 I mean, Paul was a traveling missionary that made tents. 0.98

00:43:37.240 He never cut 200 foreskins off of Philistines because that was not the station that God 0.94

00:43:41.540 had put him in. 0.92

00:43:42.440 And so what ministers will do, the Mott and Bailey kind of is like, be like Christ.

00:43:46.580 Yes and amen to Paul.

00:43:47.780 Follow me as I follow Christ.

00:43:49.420 And then what to say is the definition of masculinity, we're going to narrowly constrict

00:43:53.360 it to the 33 years that Jesus was on earth as an itinerant preacher, as a carpenter.

00:43:58.060 And we're going to say masculinity looks only like these characteristics.

00:44:02.480 Forget David.

00:44:03.140 Forget Solomon.

00:44:03.800 Forget Abraham.

00:44:04.360 Forget Moses.

00:44:04.820 forget all these other biblical examples, there were kings and warriors and scholars and craftsmen

00:44:10.100 and all that, forego all of those, and then the part that they don't tell you is, and then just

00:44:15.100 be nothing but, like you were saying in the beginning, meek, gentle, soft-spoken, mild because,

00:44:20.360 and they'll go to the position that nobody could deny, Jesus is the perfect example. Well, within

00:44:24.760 good men, there's not a single universal great man, but many particular expressions of good men

00:44:29.940 that we see through scripture and where all those virtues exemplified not exhaustive exhaustively

00:44:35.740 but exemplified in christ yeah one of the most common denominators of a godly man

00:44:40.400 throughout scripture especially the old testament is that he's killed someone

00:44:45.480 it's right joshua yep moses even abraham oh yeah even paul abraham that's right

00:44:54.200 Abraham arguably killed giants

00:44:57.360 Just throwing that out there

00:44:58.580 Don't have time to go in there

00:44:59.800 Feel free to watch the dozens of videos

00:45:01.860 That I've done on giants

00:45:03.380 But I mean these guys

00:45:04.980 Yeah

00:45:05.760 They were men

00:45:08.360 Back to you Michael 0.90

00:45:10.340 Alright so then there are

00:45:12.560 And for the record this next section

00:45:14.460 I don't disagree with

00:45:15.420 But there was kind of the outcry on Twitter

00:45:18.600 That the rise of Tateism 0.99

00:45:20.460 Well the Christian 1.00

00:45:21.320 The effeminate Christian church is to blame for this 1.00

00:45:23.340 And so William Wolfe had, I just had to give him a little credit here because he had some 1.00

00:45:27.560 great posts.

00:45:28.840 He said this in quotes, he says, the Andrew Tate phenomenon has nothing to do with evangelical

00:45:34.360 leaders.

00:45:35.280 And then for those of you listening, he posts, what's that?

00:45:38.480 He's being sarcastic.

00:45:39.640 He's being sarcastic.

00:45:40.440 He posts a video of the Jen Wilkin interview.

00:45:45.180 And there's a, you know.

00:45:46.360 Sean something, right?

00:45:47.540 Colin Hanson.

00:45:48.840 Colin Hanson.

00:45:49.380 That's what it is.

00:45:49.840 Yep.

00:45:50.220 Colin Hanson next to Jen Wilkin.

00:45:51.560 And then this is a post from the Gospel Coalition, and in highlighted, the Gospel Coalition, what they say about this picture of Colin Hansen and Jen Wilkin is, the Gospel Coalition advocates for visible female leadership.

00:46:04.980 In the church.

00:46:05.760 In the church, yes, specifically within the church.

00:46:08.120 But, as William Wolfe points out, sarcastically, the Andrew Tate phenomenon has nothing to do with evangelical leaders, right?

00:46:15.440 Of course it does.

00:46:16.340 And he goes on to say, William Wolfe, in a separate post, he said, some people aren't ready for this, but here it is.

00:46:21.560 Andrew Tate's appeal is the result of 50-plus years of man-hating feminism.

00:46:26.140 Don't read this as a second for a defense of Tate.

00:46:28.080 If you want to understand who's to blame for his audience, it's the feminists. 0.81

00:46:31.620 And we put both of these together and we say within the church, we ought to lay the blame at the feet of the Christian feminists. 0.91

00:46:38.340 Right. 0.87

00:46:38.780 And in my opinion, like for all the guys who are saying, well, Tate, you know, the appeal of Tate is simply that he's appealing to the most debased appetites.

00:46:47.400 You know, the most based appetites of men, you know, like pornography or women or, you know, or Bugattis, you know, and just, you know, this and that and the other, you know, quick gain.

00:47:02.760 The Bible talks about, like, there's nothing wrong with wealth, but the Bible does talk about, you know, quick gain, you know, where you can just turn it around and it's not the most ethical means of gathering wealth and these kinds of things.

00:47:11.660 And that's what made them popular.

00:47:12.660 And I would just say, yeah, those things are always going to be popular in the same way that even, you know, there's always going to be a brothel somewhere within a 50-mile radius. 0.83

00:47:23.360 Now, to be fair, under Christian nationalism, there does not have to be any brothels.

00:47:27.380 You can just, you actually, you know, little known fact, but you can actually just ban porn in all 50 states.

00:47:32.700 And anybody who makes a living by those means just has to get out of the country.

00:47:38.560 And that will affect certain people disproportionately based off of what people group you're a part of.

00:47:42.660 That's another conversation.

00:47:44.220 But here's the point.

00:47:45.700 You actually can get rid of it. 1.00

00:47:46.960 But historically, even in Christendom and even in places in Europe, you know, in places that were distinctly Christian, there was still the bad side of town. 0.97

00:47:54.980 But there's a difference in the bad side of town, you know, the dark alleyway that you don't want your kids walking down, you know, that where somebody has to they actually and it's frowned upon. 0.75

00:48:05.120 It's actually, it's not esteemed as a virtue, but it's actually frowned upon as a vice,

00:48:10.240 the vice that it actually is, where somebody has, you know, is going to the bad part of

00:48:14.300 town, the shady part of town to do something bad, you know, to get drugs or to go to a

00:48:18.120 brothel, you know, these kinds of things that that's always going to exist.

00:48:22.480 And because men are sinners, men and women, but men are sinners, there's always going

00:48:27.700 to be a market there.

00:48:28.720 There's always going to be a market for a guy who tells you, here's how to pick up chicks 1.00

00:48:33.700 so that you can have sex with them or here's how to uh to make money um in in sleazy quick 0.92

00:48:41.140 game kind of ways that you can spend it on cars or here's a uh yeah there'll always be a market 0.90

00:48:46.280 for that so long as there's sin in the same way that jesus said you always have the poor among

00:48:50.080 you why because you always have sin uh poor people are poor because of their own sin

00:48:54.720 lack of work ethic or because of somebody else's sin oppressing them but it's always related one

00:48:59.540 way or another to sin so you always have poor people because you always have sin jesus said

00:49:04.080 that well you also always have um guys who appeal to the the most base appetites of men um because

00:49:13.240 for the same reason because of sin but my point is that explains maybe maybe 10 percent of his

00:49:22.720 popularity maybe 10 of the millions and millions of views it does not uh explain an international

00:49:30.020 phenomenon most googled man in the it was the most googled subject in 2022 above donald trump

00:49:35.780 and covid he was right that to me that is not simply explained by oh well that's just uh that's

00:49:43.100 just what sin gives you you know uh people are just you know everybody's a sinner yes of course

00:49:47.900 Everybody's a sinner. And because men are pigs and they want easy sex without any duty and 1.00

00:49:56.060 responsibility and attachments, and because they want fast cars with fast wealth, it's gained 1.00

00:50:00.780 through unethical means. That explains Tate being the most Googled man on the planet.

00:50:07.360 Well, no, I don't think that does. I think it's a combination of cheap means that would give you

00:50:13.160 some notoriety, that would get you some appeal, some audience. But exponentially, what multiplied

00:50:20.600 that by a factor of 10 minimum, if not by 100, is not the sin appeal, appealing to men's sin

00:50:31.340 and sinful lust, but the fact that you had that in a context, in a vacuum, where masculinity is

00:50:40.600 despised in all its forms, whether it's debased or whether it's righteous. It doesn't matter what

00:50:46.820 kind of masculinity it is, whether it's masculinity that pleases the Lord or masculinity that's 0.86

00:50:52.180 perverse and corrupt and that's hated by the Lord. Masculinity in any version, any form whatsoever,

00:50:57.800 has been absolutely eradicated from Western countries for half of a century. That's what

00:51:04.800 explains tate being the most googled man in the world um we'll wrap up with a couple of uh other

00:51:13.480 tweets we've kind of we've we've done quite a bit on the reaction so i'll just mention them and then

00:51:17.740 i want to move on to why we think tate is actually so popular and tateism is growing um so jd uh on

00:51:24.940 x who had a fantastic essay on this topic uh jd hall um not the oh that's jd greer never mind

00:51:32.620 Not J.D. Greer, J.D. Hall.

00:51:33.900 J.D. Hall.

00:51:34.400 He said this.

00:51:35.280 He said, Andrew Tate is popular among young Christian men because they're comparing him

00:51:38.840 to who the Gospel Coalition presents as examples of biblical manhood.

00:51:44.060 And he has a nice turn of phrase here.

00:51:45.160 Both are unfortunate examples.

00:51:46.880 Tate, because he's not a Christian, and the Gospel Coalition, because they're not men.

00:51:50.940 He's a great writer.

00:51:51.960 Yeah, he's really, really good.

00:51:53.460 And then Eric Kahn, whom we already mentioned, he's got the picture of the guy who's in the

00:51:57.860 middle of the swords, and what's the statement that you're going to say that's going to get

00:52:01.080 you surrounded by swords and people trying to kill you. He says, a generation of conservative church

00:52:05.820 leaders who opened the door to feminism, browbeat men, and catered to leftist ideologies did far

00:52:11.280 more damage to the Christian church than Andrew Tate ever did. Just to give the devil his due a

00:52:19.000 little bit, just because people might not be familiar with his background, where he came from

00:52:22.840 and everything, I'm not going to go through the whole history, but just as a start, he's a world

00:52:27.480 champion, four-time world champion, kickboxer. I've done martial arts before, Muay Thai and

00:52:31.980 Jiu-Jitsu. Kickboxing is a brutal, painful sport. It takes a lot of discipline to get in shape and

00:52:38.800 then to compete, not just to compete once, to train for one fight, do it, win and call it off.

00:52:43.640 But I think something like 30 fights. And then he built a lot of wealth. And some of those are

00:52:48.280 means that are despicable. They would not be allowed in a Christian country. But he built an 0.99

00:52:51.840 empire of wealth through a number of different means. He's been the target of lawfare attacks.

00:52:56.640 People will attack him for being childless or not taking out a family.

00:53:00.440 The best estimates, he keeps his family out of the public eye.

00:53:03.220 But he has something like 10-plus children, and it sounds like he provides for all of them.

00:53:07.040 So both him and his brother have families and wives.

00:53:09.640 It would be multiple.

00:53:10.240 He's Muslim. 0.99

00:53:11.260 Multiple wives, children, people that he provides for.

00:53:14.600 And all of the lawfare, as it is right now, literally like 24, 48 hours ago, the state is essentially, this would be Romania, dropping the case for lack of evidence.

00:53:24.360 So this is what's transpired over a decade.

00:53:26.000 A lot of these charges of evil things, if true, have been dropped, for lack of evidence.

00:53:30.980 He has attained a large amount of wealth, some through terrible means.

00:53:35.060 He's a world champion kickboxer.

00:53:37.320 These are some of the things when we talk about masculinity and ambition and achievement.

00:53:41.340 Those are just some of the factors that factor into it.

00:53:43.500 Now, none of those make a biblical man.

00:53:45.300 Well, you've earned $800 million, and so therefore, that's it.

00:53:49.060 You're biblical, you're Christlike.

00:53:50.240 None of those achieve to that level.

00:53:52.080 But you're talking on a natural plane.

00:53:53.820 what were men as men designed to do these are achievements that um i mean there are people

00:53:58.920 critiquing him they get winded walking up the stairs and they're sitting there like

00:54:03.320 and your tape so weak so unmasculine like of course they're not listening to you right you 1.00

00:54:10.700 are pathetic you're a walking and he's pathetic in other ways but he's not weak and undisciplined 1.00

00:54:16.320 the way you are for decades on end yeah well there's it's two words christian masculinity 1.00

00:54:20.620 or if you will biblical patriarchy um christian annotates pathetic masculinity he is masculine 0.98

00:54:29.280 right he is masculine on a natural plane right don't think vertical right we're not i'm not 0.91

00:54:35.120 saying uh masculine in the masculine in the way that the bible uh describes it but he is naturally

00:54:41.360 masculine um he has high testosterone levels he is physically strong with stamina and discipline

00:54:48.980 in that arena. I'm sure he lacks discipline in other arenas, which are just as important,

00:54:53.620 and I would argue even more so. But he is exerting and displaying discipline simply by virtue of his

00:55:01.900 physical health, his physical status. And then he is appealing to women. Of course, there are 0.98

00:55:09.520 plenty of Christian women who are repulsed by him. I get that. But there are plenty of women 0.76

00:55:14.560 that like andrew tape yep um that is masculine like here's here are some of the masculine so

00:55:21.340 so the fruit of the spirit which every christian should embody um these are not distinctly masculine

00:55:27.260 these are the it's it's one size fits all it's love joy peace patience kindness but each of

00:55:33.300 these fruit of the spirit have unique expressions depending on your state your gender uh your role

00:55:40.840 um gentleness in a father will look differently than gentleness in a mother gentleness in a king

00:55:47.160 will look differently than gentleness in a pastor um and and so um but but but the idea of just this

00:55:54.320 unisex biblical application which is what the evangelical church has been doing for quite some

00:55:59.820 time now many decades of just you know this is what the bible says for everybody and there's

00:56:05.240 nothing distinct to womanhood and there's nothing distinct to manhood um that's that's not going to

00:56:11.920 work there are things that are innately masculine um achievement achievement and and i would argue

00:56:19.820 even competition um achievement and and tough butting of heads war fighting competing uh zeal

00:56:29.560 achieving and brotherhood too him and his brother are close friends and i bet there's so many men

00:56:34.900 that are like i've never had a jonathan like that that i would do all these things together with

00:56:39.840 things are i do believe that those things are uniquely masculine that doesn't mean you can't

00:56:44.620 find a trace of them or to a lower degree an element of some of those things uh in women

00:56:49.820 right i have four daughters uh my daughters they they like to compete michael we're talking about

00:56:55.200 your daughter likes to compete. If it's game night, sometimes the girls might be even more

00:57:01.880 intense about wanting to win that game than the sons. That's possible. And so we're not saying

00:57:06.500 that there's a complete absence in the fair sex and in women of these kinds of things, but these

00:57:13.580 character traits are more dominant when we observe them in men. Competition, discipline,

00:57:22.100 ambition zeal and and there are and and then they can go awry if we don't master ourselves in a

00:57:29.380 christian expression so then zeal which is not inherently bad in and of itself becomes um fleshly

00:57:36.700 anger and and you know and so all these things have kind of a um a like dr jekyll mr hyde you

00:57:43.920 know like so there's like the good expression and then there's the bad expression of these things

00:57:49.420 And so, if a guy's not full of the Holy Spirit, and he doesn't have one of the fruit of the

00:57:54.880 Spirit, which is self-control, and as that pertains to a man, self-mastery, that pertains

00:58:00.580 to a woman also, but the man is going to master himself in different ways and in different

00:58:06.040 degrees.

00:58:07.100 But if he doesn't have the Christian aspect, then the masculine, that doesn't mean, well,

00:58:12.960 if you're not a Christian, then you can't be a man at all.

00:58:15.240 I think that, what I'm trying to get to is, I think that's part of what the evangelical Christian discourse is trying to assert that I just, I could not disagree with possibly more.

00:58:26.020 They're basically trying to say that there is no masculinity at all. 0.59

00:58:31.440 They're either saying that or they're saying you cannot achieve masculinity whatsoever unless you do so Christianly.

00:58:38.980 And what I want to say is, no, there is male and female, masculine and feminine, exist in the world as God made it by the sheer virtue of nature, whether grace is restoring it or not, whether it's Christian or not.

00:58:57.320 bulls are not Christian, not in the born-again, eternal sense, and yet bulls, male cows,

00:59:08.580 they still have the masculine bull male traits. So, that's going to exist whether it's Christian

00:59:17.880 or not. So, to say that you can't attain masculinity at all apart from Christianity 0.63

00:59:24.720 is wrong. What you will get is you will get masculinity, it just won't be Christian masculinity.

00:59:30.080 It will be pagan masculinity or Islamic masculinity, everything that I've already said. 0.83

00:59:35.180 Christian masculinity will prioritize self-mastery over the mastery of others. 0.95

00:59:41.560 Pagan masculinity will have very little self-mastery. It'll have self-mastery, 0.97

00:59:48.180 but only insofar as it serves the mastery of others. So maybe in the physical sense,

00:59:53.240 A Viking may actually care about being physically strong and train and discipline his body, but he will exert zero effort in trying to master his base appetites and his lust, sexual lust and perversion.

01:00:08.060 and like that's what you see basically tate is he's a viking with you know without a chin you

01:00:13.720 know he's a viking you know he's he's a latino viking he's he's a bald yeah exactly he's a

01:00:18.960 bald latino you know viking that uses his legs you know in his fighting style a little bit more

01:00:24.220 than his arms other than that the dude like that but he is masculine he is masculine and if you

01:00:29.700 can't see that then then you have been so far removed for so long from masculinity that you

01:00:35.380 just don't even know what masculinity is anymore he is masculine none of us are making the argument

01:00:39.960 that he exerts christian masculinity or biblical patriarchy but he is um masculine and he is 0.75

01:00:46.040 patriarchal and the big issues of today he hates homosexuality he hates feminism he hates zionism 0.76

01:00:52.940 and he speaks out against at this point in his life pornography and only fans so these four 0.98

01:00:58.140 issues he has spoken out in vulgar and profane ways but he said that feminism ridiculous zionism 0.96

01:01:05.840 destruction. Homosexuality, I can't even repeat the things he says about it, but he mocks it the 0.96

01:01:10.520 way Christians should mock wicked things. So these four areas that are the biggest areas where 1.00

01:01:14.500 Christian men are like, man, I am sick of this, and I'm tired of pride flags on pride month, 1.00

01:01:20.200 and they turn around and they see someone, not Christian, but on all four of those, he's like, 0.99

01:01:24.380 that's ridiculous, that's ridiculous, that's ridiculous, and I have to imagine for some, 0.99

01:01:29.500 what a breath of fresh air for someone just to say it. That's exactly the point. I mean, 0.99

01:01:34.000 so two things here uh another issue where he's outspoken wes is on restoring national order

01:01:40.240 right now for some reason he's immigrated to england immigration fifth category and has

01:01:44.480 decided that he's going to fix england which i'm like dude

01:01:47.040 principle number one with immigration is you got to be part of the country first part of the nation

01:01:53.740 first but if you want to fix england you can't be a muslim fair enough but my point is there is 0.77

01:01:59.660 something about the fact that he is willing to say england is dying someone's got to fix it i'm

01:02:04.760 gonna do it i we were watching my son and i were watching some of the pete hegseth um confirmation

01:02:10.020 hearings and i know he's trying to get appointed and so you have to tread on eggshells unfortunately 0.69

01:02:16.400 but i was i was telling my son i said if pete hegseth were to answer these women who are who

01:02:23.740 are asking him about women in combat truthfully and say, Madam, you know, Senator, I don't think 0.76

01:02:31.880 women should be in the military, period. And in fact, I don't think you should be a senator either. 0.98

01:02:36.020 This is a man's role. Go home. He would not get the confirmation. But what that would do is it

01:02:42.320 would open the door to so many men, young men who are thinking and seeing the world that way and

01:02:48.100 realizing this is all wrong. This is not a debate about whether women can be in this kind of combat

01:02:53.320 or that kind of combat.

01:02:54.940 This is a debate about men's place in the world 0.54

01:02:58.780 versus a woman's place in the world.

01:03:00.700 And sadly, the people that we have

01:03:03.700 that are willing to be imprisoned

01:03:05.040 for some of these basic right and wrong things

01:03:08.380 are people like Donald Trump and people like Andrew Tate.

01:03:11.700 Again, not excusing,

01:03:13.080 or if his past was much darker in this area,

01:03:16.080 which I think it was, not excusing that at all.

01:03:18.860 But why is it that they are the ones

01:03:21.540 who are willing to say, I'm willing to lose my position in society. I'm willing to stand up and

01:03:26.520 speak about basic realities, even though it would cost me my career, even though it would cost me

01:03:32.000 my influence, even though it would cost me my status. Why aren't Christian men doing that? 0.99

01:03:36.980 Young men would love to cheer on a Christian man who's doing that, but by and large, most of them

01:03:44.240 are not. Real quick, let's do this. I'm watching the chat as we're going. If you see my eyes go up,

01:03:49.580 we've got a screen above one of the cameras. And so I'm looking at the chat. Let's give our

01:03:54.980 bona fides for a moment. Okay. So Michael was just ordained as an elder in our church. He's

01:03:59.960 a pastor. I'm a pastor in our church, Covenant Bible Church. Check out covenantbible.org if you

01:04:05.860 want to find a good biblical church that's committed to expositional preaching, that's 1.00

01:04:10.400 committed to biblical patriarchy, that's committed to nationalism over gay, you know, global homo 0.92

01:04:15.640 jihad and things like that. If you're looking for a good church, you're in Central Texas, 0.90

01:04:18.640 we're in georgetown texas about an hour north of austin that said um we're both pastors uh

01:04:24.820 lowly layman lowly layman uh but not that lowly i i'm jealous at times uh handy um but uh he's a

01:04:33.420 faithful churchman and a member in our church uh we are three christian men let's give our bona

01:04:37.360 fines and what i mean by that is uh let's pause here for a moment and uh and let's just say it

01:04:43.380 i feel like it goes without saying but obviously it doesn't um so let's say it uh what are we not 0.83

01:04:49.900 like about andrew tate what what do we denounce where to start he's muslim yep he worships a

01:04:58.460 demon god named all of he's a foreigner he doesn't live in england uh he's traveling the world 0.80

01:05:06.560 saying that he's for nationalism but going into countries that are not his own 0.90

01:05:10.480 um he's perverse and profane as the day is long without any filter whatsoever crude perverse 0.98

01:05:18.140 lewd um he sexualizes women which is not christian masculinity right um it is masculine it is 0.99

01:05:26.980 masculine right it is masculine but it's masculinity debased by sin it is contorted 0.98

01:05:33.000 and corrupted masculinity but it is when i say it's still masculine uh maybe you've heard this

01:05:39.720 expression maybe you haven't some people don't like it um so you know which means it's a good

01:05:44.740 one which means it's good yeah um have you ever heard somebody say you know uh he's sinning um

01:05:50.400 but he's sinning in the right direction have you ever heard that adage um it's like well no sin

01:05:56.400 can be in the right direction to sin is to miss the mark it's to point you know the the bow in

01:06:01.960 the wrong direction it's to go the opposite of of the direction of god and so like all sin is in the

01:06:06.600 wrong. Yes. No, duh. Duh. Of course, all sin is going away from God. It's rebelling against God.

01:06:16.860 And so therefore, in the macro sense, of course, in a theological ultimate sense, all sin is in

01:06:21.320 the wrong direction. Here's what the expression means to sin in the right direction. A guy who

01:06:28.140 is a womanizer is sinning. Okay. Again, I said, we're going to state our bona fides. So let me 0.97

01:06:32.760 say that again so it's blatantly clear sinning it's sin andrew tate has has made a career for

01:06:41.640 himself that has been marked in many ways by overt plain obvious sin of course yep of course

01:06:50.780 duh however um the uh trans library story hour is not only sin but it's sinning in the wrong

01:07:04.020 direction it's it's when i when i'm speaking of direction i'm speaking of nature there's

01:07:10.020 conformity to reality conformity to the to reality aka the natural world that god made

01:07:16.100 right we live in the father's world he made the rules uh the world and therefore he made the

01:07:21.460 rules he gets to set up the rules by which the world is going to function gravity gravity is not

01:07:27.900 saved gravity is not born again i'm not going to high five gravity and it's going to become my

01:07:32.420 eternal best friend in heaven you know me and gravity you know like we're you know we're gravity

01:07:36.480 is not a person okay but but but gravity is christian in the macro sense because everything

01:07:42.080 that God has made and that's functioning according to his plan is, you know, like a tree is a

01:07:47.700 glorious tree insofar as it's performing its role, the way that God has made it, that it's going in

01:07:54.880 the right direction. And yet even trees, you can have glorious trees, trees that are very tree-ly,

01:08:01.960 if you will. And the more tree-ly a tree is, the more glorious a tree is. And you could say in a

01:08:06.200 macro sense, the more Christian a tree is. So a sequoia tree is a really, you know, if we still 0.93

01:08:10.580 have them when gavin newsome gets done burning down his state you know but but you know a sequoia

01:08:14.620 is a is a treely tree and therefore it's a glorious tree and therefore in a macro sense

01:08:18.540 it's a christian tree uh but but all of nature has still been tarnished by sin the curse right

01:08:23.580 when god gets to adam he says curse he doesn't actually even curse adam he curses the ground

01:08:28.740 adam was standing in as as as the head the federal head representative not just of all of humanity

01:08:35.780 all this posterity, but the whole created cosmos, the whole world, so that even the world itself,

01:08:41.160 the earth, the very ground fell underneath a curse, not because the dirt rose up in rebellion

01:08:46.760 and sinned against God. Adam sinned against God, but he represented even the dirt. He represented

01:08:51.740 the ground. He represented the trees, the rivers, the rocks. That's why all creation, Paul says,

01:08:56.260 is groaning, right? It's under subjugation. It feels the weight of the curse of sin. And so

01:09:03.700 creation itself, not just people created in the image of God, but even rocks and trees and birds

01:09:09.280 and rivers and plants are groaning with eager expectations for the sons of God to be revealed.

01:09:15.280 Therefore, the return of Christ when he restores all things, even the creation of the natural order

01:09:21.300 itself. So you have this dual reality simultaneously at play. A tree can be

01:09:28.980 glorious and Christian in the sense that it is functioning in its tree-ly sense. It's being a

01:09:34.880 tree. It's healthy. It's bearing fruit. It's verdant. It's green. Exactly. All those things.

01:09:38.880 It's being a tree. It's sturdy. It's strong. It can be used. It's wood in order to build structures

01:09:44.140 and buildings and society and all these different things. In that sense, it's glorious. But it's

01:09:49.420 also under a curse. That tree can be inflicted by parasitical, by moss, and it eventually

01:09:57.820 falls and decays and all these things, and it can die. And so too it is with image-bearing

01:10:06.220 creatures, man and woman, right? God created man in his image, that is mankind, both male and

01:10:12.720 female, he created them. Both man and woman bear the image of God, image-bearers of the living God,

01:10:18.760 although man, distinctly and uniquely, also in addition not just to the image of God,

01:10:24.240 bears the glory of God. Man is the glory of God and woman the glory of man, is what 1 Corinthians

01:10:30.380 chapter 11 says. So man and woman in image of God, man glory of God in addition to image,

01:10:35.640 and woman glory of man. Now all that being said, fallen man, because of sin, he can do things that

01:10:44.300 still can form into the direction, the overarching general direction of the natural order that God

01:10:51.480 has established. And those would be things like building civilization, siring children,

01:11:00.140 making a physical provision for his wife and children, fighting and protecting them from

01:11:07.000 threats within and threats that are foreign, hunting and taking dominion over the earth,

01:11:13.460 the subduing and taking dominion, when he goes and charts new courses and explores the sea and

01:11:22.360 makes maps and investigates innovation, invention, these kinds of things. These are uniquely human

01:11:28.260 things. And many of what I just listed, not exhaustively and not exclusively, but many of

01:11:32.840 what I just listed are not only distinctly human things, but even manly things, distinctly masculine

01:11:38.520 things and you can do all those things and not be a christian and not be even to do the woman

01:11:45.300 there are women that are wonderful wives love their children love their husband self-controlled

01:11:49.620 never regenerate and they're wonderful women who raised children who obeyed their own husband

01:11:54.520 led and cared for a commodious home like take out the men just do like women there are many women

01:11:59.160 who have done that they were never for a day christian or regenerate and yet they still

01:12:02.220 were wonderful wives and mothers right so a man and we'll just go with with that theme for a second

01:12:07.440 in terms of marriage and the relationship between a man and wife. A man sinning as a husband,

01:12:13.180 sinning in the right direction. It's sin. Okay? Don't miss that. Sin. But sin in the right

01:12:19.140 direction would be domineering. Right. Domineering over his bride. Where he's called to lead her,

01:12:26.200 he is called to have authority over her. He has authority, whether he wields it or not. He is,

01:12:30.920 under God, placed in a position of authority. So he's called to exercise authority and leadership.

01:12:36.420 but he's not called to be overly domineering but rather he's called to recognize her as a co-heir

01:12:42.740 of grace so in one standing the internal eternal sense and innate dignity his equal but in a

01:12:48.800 physical temporal sense his inferior not inferior in terms of worth but the weaker vessel rank like

01:12:57.520 in the military and rank yeah and in stature temporal stature she is the weaker vessel and

01:13:03.280 i think that speaks to the physical i also think it speaks to also the the not only physical

01:13:07.840 disposition but even emotional disposition um and and so he can do both things simultaneously now

01:13:15.160 the man who recognizes uh not not only is it permissible it is it is morally obligatory that

01:13:21.820 a husband record it's a command he is commanded in scripture to recognize that his wife is a weaker

01:13:27.340 vessel and then to treat her accordingly and and what does it mean to treat her accordingly

01:13:31.760 to make room for her, to exercise grace and compassion and gentleness towards her because

01:13:38.740 of her weaker disposition.

01:13:41.600 But a man who is sinning, again, emphasis on sin, but sinning in the right direction

01:13:48.000 would be a man who is exercising authority, but he's doing it domineeringly, in a domineering

01:13:53.120 fashion.

01:13:53.580 Instead of taking into account in a spirit of compassion and grace, taking into account

01:14:03.600 her weaker frame, he is exploiting her weaker frame.

01:14:06.820 That's sin, but sinning in the right direction.

01:14:09.420 A man who subjugates himself to his wife, happy wife, happy life, limp-wristed subjugation 0.96

01:14:16.600 to the wife that exalts her as head of the home and subjugates himself as her helpmate

01:14:23.420 is not only sin, but it's sin in the wrong direction. Homosexuality is not just a sin, 0.94

01:14:29.980 an excess of something that God calls good or a mere perversion of something, but it's a 1.00

01:14:37.700 disorder. It's a reversal of something that God calls good. Homosexuality is sinning in the wrong

01:14:44.920 direction. Womanizing is sinning, don't miss that, in the right direction. The right direction, 0.99

01:14:51.340 meaning that it's pleasing to God? No. C.A., I gave all the disclaimers. I can't give them

01:14:56.180 every 15 seconds. Lord knows I try, but I can't do it. It is sin. And in the macro sense,

01:15:03.320 in the theological, ultimate, biblical sense, it's in the wrong direction in a theological sense

01:15:07.860 because anything that's going against God's prescribed will in Scripture is the wrong

01:15:12.460 direction. You guys know what I mean. You know what I mean. But what I'm saying is there's a way

01:15:16.480 There's a way to take God's natural order, his natural design for things, and do it wrongly.

01:15:24.280 So you're going, instead of against the grain, you're going with the grain, but you're going

01:15:28.940 with the grain in wrong ways, to wrong ends, the wrong measure, the wrong degree, the wrong

01:15:36.260 method.

01:15:37.040 There's a way of going with the grain sinfully.

01:15:40.240 And then there's a way of going against the grain. 1.00

01:15:43.080 Feminism is not just sin, but it's in accordance with the natural order. 1.00

01:15:49.480 No, it's sinning in the wrong direction. 1.00

01:15:51.520 It's going against the grain. 1.00

01:15:53.280 Feminism is not just a perverted desire. 1.00

01:15:56.940 It's a misordered desire. 1.00

01:15:59.220 It's desire that's been reversed.

01:16:03.620 Whereas a man who, whatever, I've already given the examples.

01:16:07.980 that that's what i'm talking and and i think part of the uh the appeal of andrew tate is that at

01:16:13.540 the natural level he gets a lot of things right at the spiritual level he he is i i don't think it

01:16:21.500 i don't i don't think it's possible to be more wrong i i don't i don't i don't think he gets

01:16:25.540 anything right i think he's wrong at virtually every level that you could possibly be wrong at

01:16:29.980 at a biblical spiritual higher ultimate spiritual sense so in the higher plane the spiritual things

01:16:36.560 he's wrong at every level but but we're currently living in a world this is my point we're living

01:16:41.680 in a world where it's not just ravaged by sin but we're living because the world has always

01:16:47.000 been ravaged by sin ever since the the first sin that happened in the garden but there have been

01:16:52.120 the the vast majority the lion's share of human history even fallen human history has been

01:16:58.420 ravaged by sin but sin that still at least went with the grain it was according to the natural

01:17:04.060 order. Men were manly. We're currently living in a time that's not just known for sin, but it's

01:17:13.160 known for unnatural sins. We're living at one of the higher echelons. If you think of sin, you don't

01:17:19.500 just wake up one day and decide to be a serial killer. Sin has a progression. There's a progression

01:17:23.520 of sin. And in Romans chapter 1, one of the latest stages, right? You think of like cancer, you know,

01:17:29.520 there's stage one and two and three and four. One of the latest stages of not just sin in an

01:17:34.880 individual, but corporately in a society, in a civilization, and I would argue that the West

01:17:39.720 fits this description. One of the furthest, most severe stages of terminal sin at a societal level

01:17:45.420 is that it's no longer just men being perverse, but it's that they exchange natural, there's the

01:17:53.680 word, natural relations with one another and become inflamed with lust for one another. That

01:17:58.940 they're now sinning not only sinning but they're also sinning in the wrong direction and then even

01:18:03.840 further than that that's not the final stage the final stage is eventually not only the exchange

01:18:07.940 of the natural so not only sin with nature but sin against nature sin against nature and then

01:18:14.180 the final stage is uh that they not only um do these things but they um but they receive approval

01:18:21.180 for these things right that that uh that it's not just homosexuality is three percent of the

01:18:26.160 population and rising um but but it's the whole population is is standing on the sidelines

01:18:32.400 applauding right so you got you got the guys you know in new york in front of children with with

01:18:38.080 their junk hanging out in a parade and that's not the worst of it the worst of it is all the 0.84

01:18:43.480 heterosexual parents who brought their children to the parade and then the whole rest of the town 0.98

01:18:48.700 standing on the on the on the street uh corners uh cheering and holding balloons and smiling as 0.79

01:18:55.800 though it's a positive thing that's where we are currently in the west so we're not just we're not

01:19:00.080 like we think here's the point you think that you're so much better than every generation gone

01:19:06.140 by you're not vikings who raped and pillaged would be disgusted by the sin of the west the sins of 0.88

01:19:14.480 the west the the aztecs would be horrified by the sins of the west they'd be like dude we killed 0.99

01:19:21.720 you know we kill dozens of people annually you guys kill them by the million at planned 0.98

01:19:26.580 parenthood babies yep we never would have dreamed of doing that and and and we had to rip if we ever 1.00

01:19:32.460 did kill a baby we had to rip it out of the the hands of its screaming crying mother but your 0.75

01:19:38.200 mothers take their babies themselves and then post tiktok videos celebrating the decision of having 0.99

01:19:44.180 them physically dismembered and sucked up with a vacuum cleaner out of their womb 0.96

01:19:48.440 the aztecs can't hold a candle to the west we're not just talking about higher degrees of sin 0.99

01:19:56.480 we're talking about about distinctly higher completely distinct categories of sin it's not

01:20:03.000 just greater degrees it's a whole other category it is sin in the wrong direction andrew tate is

01:20:09.040 a very great sinner in need of the only great savior that there can be no debate no one's

01:20:16.040 arguing that. But what we are saying is that part of the appeal of Andrew Tate to the natural man

01:20:21.820 is that he's natural. He is sinning. He is perverse, but he's sinning with the grain on the

01:20:29.500 backdrop of an entire world and even an evangelical church, the church, brothers and sisters, that is

01:20:36.780 sinning against the grain. And to just add on to that, Joel, I think you correct me if I'm wrong

01:20:43.400 here, but I think what we're saying is we understand why there is such an appeal towards

01:20:50.200 Andrew Tate, because the things that he's doing are the things that American society and evangelical

01:20:55.940 Christian have told men you are not allowed to do, period, under any circumstances. And in fact,

01:21:01.800 we are going to discipline and breed and diet all of this out of you. Now, we are not saying

01:21:09.780 we have pictures of Andrew Tate up in our bedroom.

01:21:13.040 We are saying we want to be better men.

01:21:15.560 We want the church to produce better men.

01:21:17.600 We want to regain masculinity

01:21:19.880 so that we're not having to say Andrew Tate is the best

01:21:23.460 of the take ambition, go out and have self-discipline,

01:21:28.280 have a direction that you're going in that we have.

01:21:31.320 But unfortunately, for a variety of reasons,

01:21:34.620 he is now a masculine man.

01:21:37.120 And God help us that that's one of the best

01:21:38.820 that our culture might have to offer.

01:21:40.780 After the Olympics and that horrific, blasphemous show,

01:21:43.980 him and his brother went outside the French consulate 0.94

01:21:46.000 and advocated on behalf of Christians,

01:21:48.320 saying, we're not even Christians.

01:21:50.020 I think his brother still claims to be.

01:21:51.660 And we're here doing this.

01:21:53.260 That mockery shouldn't be like, 0.98

01:21:55.140 look at this, Christians are going after it. 0.90

01:21:57.700 The shame should be the introspection. 1.00

01:21:59.760 Why would we not fight against those

01:22:01.900 who would blaspheme our Savior?

01:22:03.220 And what we're frustrated about

01:22:04.500 is that evangelical pastors look at this

01:22:08.060 And all they can conclude is any guy who has any sort of urge to discipline himself, to achieve, to make something of himself, like Andrew Tate has done, is clearly immature, in sin, dangerous, and needs to be long-housed back into meekness and mildness.

01:22:30.320 Right.

01:22:30.820 Yeah.

01:22:31.280 Right.

01:22:32.900 Should we go to our last commercial break?

01:22:34.560 Yeah.

01:22:34.620 Let's go.

01:22:38.060 All right, the clock is running out.

01:22:40.140 You need to go and register now for our Christ is King, How to Defeat Trash World Conference.

01:22:46.320 It's happening the year of our Lord, 2025, April 3rd, 4th, and 5th.

01:22:51.400 That's a Thursday, Friday, and Saturday.

01:22:54.060 And by God's grace, we're able to provide for you an all-star lineup.

01:22:58.260 We've got Steve Dace, Calvin Robinson, Oren McIntyre, Dr. Stephen Wolf, Eric Kahn, David

01:23:04.640 Reese, Andrew Isker, John Harris, A.D. Robles, Dan Burkholder, Dusty Devers, Ben Garrett,

01:23:11.620 C.J. Engel, and yours truly, Pastor Joel Webin.

01:23:15.300 Come on out.

01:23:16.160 Join us April 3rd, 4th and 5th, 2025, Thursday through a Saturday.

01:23:21.600 Go to rightresponseconference.com to register today.

01:23:26.200 Again, that's rightresponseconference.com.

01:23:29.800 Listen, guys, you probably listen to Right Response Ministries because you take the Dominion

01:23:35.040 mandate offered to us in Scripture seriously.

01:23:38.600 Well, unsurprisingly, so does Dominion Wealth Strategist.

01:23:42.760 As the only distinctly reformed financial consulting firm, they help Calvinistic, covenantal,

01:23:49.560 and confessional Christians to steward their resources faithfully in a way that actually

01:23:55.200 aligns with God's Word. Dominion Wealth leverages all corners of the financial service industry

01:24:01.220 as independent brokerage agents, matching you with suitable products and services from dozens

01:24:07.740 of top industry providers. Their mission is to equip believers to secure their family's future

01:24:14.760 and build a legacy that glorifies God by building holistic financial strategies that include

01:24:21.960 budgeting, insurance, debt management, retirement planning, estate planning, and more. In order to

01:24:29.380 make wealth Christian again with a portfolio that might even put King Solomon to shame, 0.75

01:24:34.340 go and take dominion over your finances today by visiting www.reformed.money and book an

01:24:43.560 introductory overview right now. All of Christ for all of life and all of finance for Christendom.

01:24:51.960 needed indeed all right we are back uh real quick um if you are able to do so don't do it at the

01:24:58.880 cost of your family don't do it at the cost of uh faithfully giving and tithing to your local church

01:25:03.560 but if you're able to do so um we humbly request and are incredibly appreciated uh appreciative

01:25:10.320 uh for those of you who are faith faithful uh regular supporters of this ministry you can go

01:25:16.320 to rightresponseministries.com forward slash donate, rightresponseministries.com forward

01:25:23.500 slash donate.

01:25:24.400 The vast majority of our content is posted almost daily at this point.

01:25:29.480 We're coming out with content on almost a daily basis, and the vast majority of it is

01:25:33.940 not behind a paywall.

01:25:35.080 It's free for your consumption, for your edification, for your benefit.

01:25:38.760 And we are able to do this slightly in part because of our sponsors, who we're incredibly

01:25:44.000 grateful for.

01:25:44.780 for our sponsors. But our sponsors are probably about, make up probably about 20% of what it

01:25:52.220 takes to be able to do this on a daily basis. And so the lion's share of our support comes from our

01:26:01.140 faithful donors. So again, you can go to rightresponseministries.com forward slash donate

01:26:05.700 if you would like to help us with this ministry to see it continue. Okay. All right. So if I can

01:26:12.780 summarize everything that we've said for almost an hour and a half now. Andrew Tate is appealing

01:26:19.080 to a lot of people. We understand why. And we wish that it was true Christian masculinity that

01:26:25.880 was leading the charge. But sadly, that's not the order of the day. So what we want to do now is we 1.00

01:26:31.860 want to spend a little bit of time here at the end talking about how to correct the ship, what 0.61

01:26:36.340 true Christian masculinity might look like. And Wes has a great analogy that's going to come up

01:26:45.180 in an episode next week about how we are in a situation where, unfortunately, I won't steal

01:26:54.060 your analogy. I'll just say he's got one. And it's similar to the pendulum idea, where you have

01:26:58.240 to push the pendulum sometimes farther back than it needs to go because it's so far off the rail.

01:27:03.960 And so this is a topic that we're going to keep talking about as we go.

01:27:06.800 Look for some episodes next week about that as well.

01:27:09.260 But one of the things that I think is interesting is that in the time of coming out of the Middle Ages and the Reformation,

01:27:15.700 even in the time, especially as England was forming, France too,

01:27:19.120 they had these, the stories of the chivalric knights, chivalry and the knight's code.

01:27:26.760 And so you've got the song of Roland coming out of France.

01:27:29.300 You've got Lancelot.

01:27:30.200 You've got all the knights of the round table.

01:27:31.600 You've got Arthur.

01:27:32.980 And one of the things that I did a little bit of reading into them, I read a lot of

01:27:36.860 these growing up as a boy, right?

01:27:38.060 They inspired me, just fascinated me, the knight.

01:27:41.240 But one of the things that I think we have to acknowledge is that the stories of chivalry

01:27:47.040 were lessons on how men can devote the strength, drive, ambition, resources, and even lethality,

01:27:56.000 right?

01:27:56.140 The knights bore swords.

01:27:58.220 They can devote all of those masculine things towards good and proper ends.

01:28:03.780 In other words, the codes of chivalry were about how to direct masculinity in the proper

01:28:09.360 direction so that it wasn't being abused in the wrong direction.

01:28:13.000 You are to use your strength to defend the weak, to punish injustice.

01:28:17.300 You are to devote your life to piety so that your ambition and your exploits are worthwhile,

01:28:24.460 both to benefit your nation and to benefit God's kingdom.

01:28:27.780 not just to benefit yourself and to exploit others.

01:28:30.940 So even the code of chivalry, the stories of the knights,

01:28:35.240 were largely there to direct masculine activities towards the right aim.

01:28:41.980 We see something similar when we look at the New Testament.

01:28:45.400 When we see Paul in 1 Timothy 2 directing men to lift up holy hands in prayer,

01:28:51.460 it's in the context of not lifting them up in anger or in quarrels or in fights, right?

01:28:55.860 Like, there's a testosterone in men that, if unchecked or pushed in the wrong direction,

01:29:00.980 leads to brawling.

01:29:02.420 And so Paul says, take those masculine hands, devote them to piety also.

01:29:08.040 In 1 Timothy 6, when Paul warns against riches, the idea being not that wealth is bad inherently,

01:29:16.160 but men, Christian men, remember that your masculine drive to achieve, to accomplish,

01:29:21.220 to turn profit should not be a love and an idol that is the base and core identity of your being.

01:29:28.320 And I think what one of the contentions that I think we have to just realize is the time in

01:29:33.700 history that we live in, both with the diet and the plastics, the feminism and feminization of 0.65

01:29:40.700 all of our society, not just the church, but the church also, we live in a time where the masculine

01:29:46.420 drives have been really killed and subsumed and totally hidden from what most men would even think

01:29:57.560 about doing. And so while it's true that we see throughout history and even in the New Testament

01:30:03.060 some cautions or some redirections of the masculine energy, one of the problems that we have now is

01:30:10.700 that the masculine virtues have been so hidden that most men don't have any idea, myself included

01:30:16.000 sometimes, right? Like, like, we're not immune to this. We all live in the sea that we are

01:30:20.600 criticizing. We're as wet as the rest of the fish, right? And what we want to do is we want to say,

01:30:25.700 okay, if it's been that subsumed, we need to dig it out, right? And yeah, when you dig something

01:30:32.860 out of the ground, it might have some dirt on it, right? It may have rusted or corroded a little bit,

01:30:38.120 but we have to dig it out. We have to pull it back. We have to restore it. And probably there's

01:30:43.880 going to be an overcorrection i mean joel you're you're right about the rubber band there will be

01:30:47.880 an overcorrection right there will be an overcorrection in some of these areas and so uh

01:30:52.880 gentlemen i have i have some thoughts on this but as far as masculinity goes biblical masculinity

01:30:57.620 let's weigh in let's give some comments and thoughts here yeah um i can give an example

01:31:04.440 of my dad and i think what he did well good christian man he's still alive i love him we

01:31:08.920 have a great relationship but um there can be a tendency to make the spiritual what it's all about

01:31:13.440 and my best memories of my dad, they're not him expositing the glories of the gospel from Romans

01:31:17.920 5 at family worship or singing or fasting. Those are good and right, and he did them. He led us in

01:31:23.580 family worship. He taught us the scriptures, all of those things. But my best memories of my dad

01:31:28.160 are the natural things. We searched. It was a multi-year-long search to find the hottest hot

01:31:33.340 sauce and the hottest pepper. We plunged into frozen lakes. We were hunting and shooting bows

01:31:38.860 and arrows he wasn't boring and and what endeared me to him as a man masculine was the competition

01:31:45.780 the brotherhood the camaraderie we did two 50 milers together 50 mile races finished both of

01:31:51.140 them together we suffered together in that and at no point did my dad say like yeah i could do this

01:31:55.680 with my son and i could do this or we could just uh just stay home and read books like there's

01:32:01.000 famous pastors and their sons and i won't name them because they apostatized but they said their

01:32:05.660 favorite memories of dad were going to christian conferences or canceling family vacations because

01:32:10.360 all dad could think about all that was on his mind were simply the intangible spiritual things

01:32:15.700 which are real but paul does say in first corinthians 15 the natural comes first and then

01:32:20.980 the spiritual we live in a natural world that will eventually be taken up consummated in the

01:32:26.320 spiritual but the natural is here and man you say first you don't mean first and priority but

01:32:31.480 chronologically yes chronologically exactly you can't get uh to the you can't get to heaven if you

01:32:37.600 you can't be born again if you were never born once you can't be resurrected if you have no body

01:32:41.780 in the first place right um so one thing i would just say gosh don't be a boring man don't be boring

01:32:48.180 don't be a boring dad like that's a little cold we could catch a cold my daddy just took us one

01:32:52.560 time he's like let's shingle the roof in the rain and see if we can catch a cold and women don't 0.83

01:32:55.840 like that they're like but but hun they could get sick and he said no this will be good for him and

01:33:00.680 i would credit that type of fatherhood me and my brother both turned out to be good christian men

01:33:05.380 by god's grace but it was also because my dad didn't play it safe didn't aim to be boring

01:33:11.060 didn't just make everything a spiritual life lesson but he got his hands dirty he loved us

01:33:15.840 there was brotherhood camaraderie competition all of that and um that needs to be said do not

01:33:20.360 neglect those things especially for fathers and then as brothers and friends to a lesser degree

01:33:24.440 certainly that drive competition etc yeah one of the things that i would say if i was to sum it up

01:33:30.500 just with one characteristic or one word would be ambition most of the christian books

01:33:37.320 written towards men for quite a while now have demonized ambition they've glorified

01:33:47.080 lionized you know lowly and meek gentle quiet but pretty much any kind of ambition

01:34:00.180 has been frowned upon, has been, you know, men have been told mostly within the church that

01:34:08.100 their ambition needs to be suppressed, it needs to be uprooted, that ambition is simply fleshly,

01:34:14.520 that it's vain, that it's inherently vain. And the reality is that there is such a thing as

01:34:20.680 vain glory. There is vain ambition, but ambition in and of itself is not inherently evil. There is

01:34:28.040 glorious ambition. There is vainglorious ambition. There is godly ambition. There is wicked ambition.

01:34:36.140 The question is, what is it that you're ambitious for? That would be one of the questions. And the

01:34:43.440 second is why? What are your motives? What's your incentive for trying to achieve X, Y, and Z,

01:34:50.780 for trying to accrue X, Y, and Z? So there's a way. So one thing that I think that is distinctly

01:34:57.700 masculine and uh and that's been missing for quite some time is um is helping young men and

01:35:06.160 inspiring uh young men to pursue uh ambitious goals um in the workplace uh when it comes to

01:35:15.260 accruing uh resources and wealth um to be able to uh at some level to be ambitious even for status

01:35:23.040 I think of the Proverbs that say, you know, we don't like the word status.

01:35:26.260 It sounds vain.

01:35:28.160 And you can desire status for fleshly reasons.

01:35:32.000 And you can go about trying to acquire status in vain and wicked ways.

01:35:37.580 But again, that status would be another example of something that's not inherently in and of itself unbiblical or unchristian.

01:35:46.660 I think of the Proverbs that say that a good name is worth more than gold.

01:35:51.840 Right.

01:35:52.400 What is a good name other than acquiring a certain degree, a certain level of status within your community, within the world, that people, they know who you are and they think well of you.

01:36:09.260 Power would be another example.

01:36:11.320 So status, and it's similar to power, but accruing power. 0.70

01:36:17.120 I think guys who are right now, there's a few of them, not many, but a few, guys who are emphasizing the dire need and urgency for Christian men to accrue Christian power and to wield it in Christian ways, I think are going to experience a lot of success.

01:36:38.420 because I think there's an incredible need there because it's been absent.

01:36:43.580 And I think for a lot of young men in the vortex, you know, or the vacuum of this absence,

01:36:49.320 there's an incredible hunger there as well.

01:36:52.540 And so accruing, we want Christian men to be powerful in our society, in the world,

01:36:57.880 and not just status or position within the realm of the church, 0.96

01:37:03.360 but outside of the church, in the world, in the political world, in the cultural world,

01:37:11.740 in media, in medicine. We need Christian doctors right now. When the entire medical establishment,

01:37:20.000 virtually the entire medical establishment, has so discredited itself and lied to us,

01:37:27.420 right to our faces for ad nauseum, day after day after day, getting up and telling us,

01:37:35.120 you know, like, you can't do this because it's bad for you. You can't do that because it's bad

01:37:38.920 for you. And here's something that's really, really good for you. You know, eggs are bad

01:37:43.280 for your cholesterol, you know, but this sugary cereal, you know, you can do that every single

01:37:48.820 morning. That's, you know, guys, guys have now, you know, the blinders have come off. The veil

01:37:54.600 has been lifted people can see through that but something has to fill the void and we need

01:38:00.120 christians to fill the void right i still need a doctor like so so the fact that um that i'm

01:38:06.340 doctor pilled right that i know that the medical establishment is corrupt is not enough uh the

01:38:13.260 right because you need an alternative so it's one thing to diagnose the problem it's another to

01:38:18.080 present solutions the solution is christian men because at the end of the day um every single

01:38:23.880 Christian household cannot simply do their best to self-learn and go on WebMD and diagnose and

01:38:34.860 prescribe some kind of solution to every single one of their medical problems. So, we need 0.99

01:38:41.100 Christians in medicine. We need Christian media. We need Christians in finance. Finance has been 0.90

01:38:47.560 incredibly corrupt. We did a whole episode on usury and all these things that the Bible strictly

01:38:56.200 forbids. And so we need Christian, good Christian men in finance. But you're not going to have

01:39:02.300 Christian men in finance if all the Christian men are poor. So we're going to need Christian men 0.97

01:39:07.620 who avail themselves. I mean, I think of what Paul writes to slaves. He says that they should 1.00

01:39:12.720 obey their masters, but he also says that if they can gain their freedom, that they should avail

01:39:17.500 themselves toward that end, that they should do so. If there's any way to become a free man,

01:39:22.300 Paul doesn't argue that being a free man isn't superior, that it's not a better position of

01:39:27.340 life. Of course it is. And so, he says that slaves should respect their masters, but insofar as

01:39:34.140 it's within their power to avail themselves towards being free men with free agency, that,

01:39:40.740 well, that's vastly superior. And so, they should work towards that endeavor. And it's the same

01:39:47.240 concept or the same principle applied at every single level. If God has ordained and through

01:39:54.140 providence has seen fit that you be content with little, fine. But the Apostle Paul, when he's

01:40:00.340 talking about Christian contentment and godliness, that godliness is great gain, 0.99

01:40:06.120 contentment with godliness, he even states in that context, he says, I've learned how to abase

01:40:11.000 and abound. So, he doesn't just say, I've learned how to have nothing and be content. And so, now,

01:40:17.920 nothing in this life, in the temporal world, I've made that actually my aim. That's not his point.

01:40:23.740 His aim is not to have nothing. His aim is to be content regardless of what he has. The aim is not

01:40:29.400 nothing. The aim is contentment. That's the aim. But Paul even admits that even for himself,

01:40:35.260 as a missionary who was radically persecuted by the Jews primarily, but also some Gentiles,

01:40:42.500 despite immense persecution, he admits that there were seasons of life where he 0.89

01:40:47.100 was abounding, where he had more than enough. We have all the scriptures that even say that

01:40:52.660 let the thief no longer steal, but work with his hands so that he might have not just enough to

01:40:57.440 get by, not just meeting his own needs and the needs of his household, but that he might

01:41:01.620 have more than enough. He might have a surplus so that he might be generous to others, so that he

01:41:07.120 might be able to give. We need Christians in power. You look at Elon Musk, despite all his flaws and

01:41:13.160 H-1B and America first just means America is a sports team and we need to sports ball even 1.00

01:41:19.700 harder and we need to get people who are not Americans and have nothing in common with our 0.81

01:41:24.420 values to put on the American sports jersey in order for us to be America first, because America 0.93

01:41:30.900 first, you know, God forbid it means Americans first. It actually just means America as a sports

01:41:35.600 team winning on the global stage that we beat China, you know, in terms of GDP and blah, blah,

01:41:40.100 blah. Yeah. So he's got problems, right? Elon Musk has, that's just one of them. But there's

01:41:45.240 still something to be said for the ambition of wanting to go to the stars and the incredible

01:41:51.460 ingenuity and innovation and what he's been able to achieve and build and problems that he's been

01:41:58.020 able to solve. And all that as it relates to power, and particularly what I'm arguing for,

01:42:02.820 Christian power that I think is distinctly masculine, right? Women are called to embody 0.99

01:42:08.880 gentleness and a quiet spirit, whereas men, I think, are to be strong. But it needs to be

01:42:15.380 Christian strength, to be powerful. God made us to be powerful, but to have Christian power.

01:42:20.700 And so, what would the world be like if we had a Christian, Elon Musk? 0.94

01:42:26.800 Like, I remember one of my friends put it into perspective like this. 0.72

01:42:32.120 He said, you know, we always think like the government, you know, like nobody could take down, you know, the government is just, it's a leviathan, right?

01:42:38.680 And it's true.

01:42:39.660 I mean, we have a bloated government in many different ways.

01:42:42.500 But, you know, it's a leviathan.

01:42:44.560 It's a titan and a tyrant.

01:42:47.980 And so, there's no competing.

01:42:49.240 uh the household you know families can't compete with the government but but what is amazon other

01:42:54.560 than house bezos you know what what is tesla and spacex and starlink and and x and boring company

01:43:03.760 and soon to be maybe tiktok and everything else uh but what is that other than a household it's

01:43:09.180 house musk that that a a family there you look at biblical times like abraham his house it wasn't

01:43:16.940 that he was necessarily filling the role in an official sense of a civil magistrate and he was

01:43:23.080 the president of a country. But no, as a private citizen, as a household outside of the sphere of

01:43:30.260 the state and in the realm of the family, his family was a force to be reckoned with. It was

01:43:34.980 formidable. He had over 300 servants. He had acquired and amassed an insane amount of wealth.

01:43:43.160 he was rich. And so, even though he wasn't a king in the formal sense himself, holding that

01:43:48.840 civil position, he still finds himself negotiating with kings and rivaling kings and whole foreign

01:43:55.880 governments and entities and all these kinds of things as a singular household, but a household

01:44:00.820 that accrued power and was wielding that power in righteous directions. And so, that's one thing

01:44:08.060 that I would say is distinctly masculine and that the church needs to talk about is men embracing

01:44:13.200 and pursuing godly ambition in the temporal natural world, not just spiritual first in

01:44:19.760 terms of hierarchy of priority, but natural things right alongside that. Grace doesn't abolish or

01:44:27.140 destroy nature, but rather elevates and restores it. So, pursuing the spiritual and the eternal

01:44:32.460 first in terms of priority, but in addition to that, also pursuing power and prestige

01:44:38.900 with godly ambition in the temporal plane, in the realm of politics, running for political office,

01:44:45.420 in the realm of finance and wealth, accruing multi-generational wealth so that your grandchildren 0.75

01:44:51.160 will have more wealth than your pagan next-door neighbor's grandchildren, so that they'll be 0.66

01:44:58.380 able to use that and wield that wealth in righteous ways and righteous means and have more of a stake, 0.96

01:45:05.980 more say, more power in society, in civilization than the wicked. We want the righteous. So,

01:45:11.540 we want to outpopulate, right? So, be fruitful, multiply, get married, have children. If you can,

01:45:19.500 by the grace of God, have several children. Pursue wealth, pursue knowledge. Knowledge is power.

01:45:26.160 You do need to read. Do the reading. Pursue status in a claim within the medical society.

01:45:35.920 All these different things as best you can. Be ambitious and pursue power. Power and a good

01:45:43.940 name. A name that is good in terms of purity, but also a name that's known. Not just a name that's

01:45:51.700 good among your wife and your children. Nothing less than that. That's first. Nothing less than

01:45:57.240 that. But if you can aspire towards more, that you would have a name that is known by many people

01:46:02.900 and that is held in high esteem by your friends and by the household of faith and a name that

01:46:09.780 by the grace of God is feared by your enemies who are ultimately God's enemies, who are the wicked

01:46:15.440 and who hate Christ and who are working against him. Acquire these things. Be ambitious towards

01:46:21.160 temporal things, not at the cost of spiritual things, but in addition to them. I think that

01:46:26.440 that's a uniquely masculine trait, godly ambition. And almost every book that you read, especially

01:46:32.200 not just Christian books in the general sense, but Christian books specifically designed towards

01:46:36.740 men, I have been astounded by how many Christian books for men ultimately demonize any kind of

01:46:45.720 ambition in the temporal world whatsoever. Yeah. Well, and I would add on to that, the

01:46:50.800 trait or the neglected area of masculinity that I've been thinking about actually flows directly

01:46:57.940 from yours, Joel, because if you think about, let's say there's an employee in a company

01:47:02.700 and he is employed by his boss. And so he has a lot of ambition. And so he starts to take

01:47:09.380 his position in the company, the access to the research or to the clients or to the

01:47:15.440 leads, and he starts out of his ambition, trying to steal away from his company, what is due to

01:47:22.960 his boss, that would be an ambition that's improper. Why is ambition a good and healthy

01:47:30.600 and God-given attribute among humans? It is because of God's command, his delegated authority.

01:47:39.540 And I think, I thought quite a bit this week about the question of how are some of the

01:47:44.400 things that we would say are masculine or feminine, you know, read your Bible or be

01:47:50.920 self-controlled, be disciplined, be strong. Scripture speaks of the strength of a woman

01:47:55.920 in her arms. What is it that makes something inherently masculine as opposed to inherently

01:48:03.240 feminine? And I think at the core of the issue is the question of authority. When God gave the

01:48:10.300 dominion mandate, which to the question earlier was not part of the covenant of works, it preceded

01:48:14.240 the covenant of works. It was why God created mankind, to take dominion into steward. When God

01:48:21.740 issued the dominion mandate in Genesis 1, he then said that he made man in his image, male and

01:48:30.840 female. There is a particular way that God made mankind to exercise dominion on the earth, and the

01:48:38.300 way that it works is that he then gave man, the biological male, Adam, the authority to name the

01:48:46.660 animals. He also gave Adam the authority to name his wife. And at the core of anything that's

01:48:54.960 masculine, why should men be strong? Because God has delegated to them an authority. Why should men

01:49:03.260 be self-controlled? Because God has delegated to them an authority. Why should men lead their 0.94

01:49:09.300 households in worship and in what you were saying, Wes, in taking adventures? Because God has given

01:49:16.040 him an authority. And I think really at the core of why men are floundering in our society,

01:49:22.760 they think, I should be strong, and then they're told, no, don't be strong. I should be self-controlled

01:49:26.540 and discipline my body. No, don't do that. You know, all of these things

01:49:30.580 is the question of authority.

01:49:33.400 We have lost the fact that God has given authority

01:49:37.080 for the family, for the church, for the state,

01:49:40.600 for the dominion of the world to men.

01:49:42.560 And what he has done to enable that

01:49:44.240 is he has equipped the man with a helper.

01:49:47.100 He's equipped the man with someone who will support,

01:49:49.880 someone who aid, someone who will assist.

01:49:52.120 But at the core of whether something is masculine

01:49:55.280 is whether it is something that you are preparing

01:49:58.920 and equipping yourself as a man to do

01:50:01.200 in order to carry out the authority,

01:50:03.560 the duties of the authority that God has given to you.

01:50:07.000 Why do we train ourselves?

01:50:08.320 Because God has really said, take authority of your family. 1.00

01:50:11.420 You can't be a fat, lazy slob 0.99

01:50:12.980 and take authority of your family. 1.00

01:50:15.660 Why do we study politics or business

01:50:18.960 or any of those things?

01:50:20.220 Because God has said, take authority of the political life.

01:50:23.700 Take authority of the economic life.

01:50:25.940 Take authority of all these things. 0.96

01:50:27.200 They are given to men.

01:50:28.320 And so masculinity to me is a preparation and a carrying out of authority.

01:50:34.800 Preparation and a carrying out of authority.

01:50:36.600 And we really have this so backwards because men, and this is part of the curse I realize, 0.97

01:50:43.400 we are wanting to cede this authority to women at every turn. 0.98

01:50:47.560 And I came across a quote by Calvin this week.

01:50:50.780 I was going to say, we need to land the plane, but we've got to get that quote from Calvin.

01:50:54.200 I'm leading up to that quote.

01:50:55.140 Because people will hate it.

01:50:58.320 The reason why this is so important is that God has not given the same kind of authority to women as he has to men. 0.85

01:51:05.700 And that's why the duties of women are different than the duties of men.

01:51:09.560 So this is from Calvin.

01:51:10.940 It was from a sermon that he preached, and it's published in Men, Women, and Order in the Church.

01:51:18.220 Real quick, and not just the duties, because part of the problem with complementarianism is it agreed,

01:51:23.420 it acknowledged the distinction of roles, but it didn't acknowledge the distinction of nature.

01:51:27.280 Right.

01:51:27.420 So when we say duties, certainly God has given, what you're saying is that the underlying principle is authority. 0.85

01:51:34.820 So God has uniquely given authority to men in a way that he has not given it to women.

01:51:39.000 And that corresponds to their duties.

01:51:40.900 But because God is not capricious, but rather kind and logical, he's also not arbitrary or random, but he works logically.

01:51:52.980 God cannot contradict himself.

01:51:54.940 he works within the laws of logic which which stem from him that he himself established uh not

01:52:00.480 only does god uh give men certain duties stemming from that authority but uh because men are called

01:52:06.940 to uh to to harbor this authority and to fulfill certain duties he also gives them a certain nature

01:52:14.140 correct um and i think that was part of the problem with the you know 1988 you know um

01:52:19.920 complementarianism halfway house for egalitarianism because that's really what it was

01:52:24.480 was that it said well yeah sure we acknowledge that you know in the bible there's a distinction

01:52:28.500 of role between men and women um but it but it but it basically asserted um you know like

01:52:36.000 anything you can do i can do better i can do anything better than you but i won't

01:52:39.720 because i'm complementarian you know so it's like it's like the wife you know or like the

01:52:45.600 christian woman let's take it outside of the realm of the home and put it in the realm of

01:52:49.680 the church who says, well, I can preach. In fact, I can preach better than most men, but I won't 0.99

01:52:56.100 because I'm complementarian. I think that that misunderstands, one, the nature of men and women,

01:53:02.800 and two, that also fundamentally misunderstands the sheer nature of preaching and what preaching

01:53:07.780 is. That preaching is not just a pep talk, and it's not just informational or educational,

01:53:13.400 and that it's also preaching, it contains some of these aspects of providing spiritual nourishment

01:53:21.020 for sheep that are hungry and need to be nourished. And so you think, well, that sounds

01:53:25.500 distinctly feminine, you know, like women are, you know, cooking and making meals for their families

01:53:30.380 at home. And so why can't a woman make a spiritual meal for the family of God, you know, in church, 1.00

01:53:34.720 if that's what a sermon, if that's all a sermon is, I don't think it's less than that, but I think

01:53:38.620 it's more than that. If that's all a sermon is, is just education, informative. And if a sermon,

01:53:45.700 all it is, is just nourishment for those who are hungry, it's a spiritual meal, then why can't,

01:53:50.400 you know, women do it? And I would argue, well, because a sermon is that plus more. What a sermon

01:53:54.640 also is, is that a sermon is rallying the army of the living God into war, into battle. It's

01:54:01.800 akin to William Wallace going down the line as all the Scotsmen are lined up in order to fight

01:54:07.980 against the enemy, the horde that is surrounding them, the impending doom that's encroaching

01:54:14.000 closer and closer. And there are men who are afraid and shuddering and fearful. And he gives

01:54:20.940 them a riveting, inspiring speech that causes them to dig deep and to find strength. And he

01:54:27.640 rides down the line, you know, slamming the brunt of his sword into their swords and their spears

01:54:33.200 and rallies the men into battle, into war. That is another aspect of preaching. And it's not just

01:54:39.800 something that a woman is not allowed to do. It's something that a woman can't do. It's not just a 1.00

01:54:44.060 matter of role, distinction of role. I could do it, but I won't because I'm not allowed. No,

01:54:49.000 God has given you the role that you have to where you're not allowed to do it, but also because he

01:54:53.780 has not equipped you in the realm of nature to do it, or at least not to do it well. Men have not

01:54:59.300 just been given the role of exercising authority, they've also been equipped in the realm of nature 1.00

01:55:04.100 to be able to exercise authority in a way that a woman can't. Men and women have distinct roles 1.00

01:55:09.740 because they have distinct natures. So Calvin says this, and this would be my thing to men

01:55:17.920 on masculinity, stop hiding behind women, exercise the authority that God has created you in your 0.54

01:55:24.360 nature and given you in your roles to do. So Calvin says this, yet consider now whether women

01:55:30.500 are not quite past sense and reason when they want to rule over men. He's saying, is it crazy 0.71

01:55:35.980 for women to want to rule over men? In a word, he says, it is madness. For were men made for women? 0.75

01:55:44.120 It is true that today men are as channels through which God causes his grace to stream down upon

01:55:49.620 women. For from whence does labor come? From where do all the most excellent things and highly

01:55:57.200 esteemed things come? To be sure, it comes from the men's side. So God is well pleased for men 1.00

01:56:04.900 to serve the good of women, as experience shows. Yet St. Paul has an eye here to the beginning of

01:56:10.920 the creation, where it was said that it was not good for the man to be alone, and that he needed

01:56:16.820 someone at hand who would always be ready to help. Since God was thinking of the man, it certainly

01:56:23.520 follows that the woman is only an accessory. And why? Because she was only created for the sake of 1.00

01:56:29.760 man, and she must, therefore, direct her whole life toward him. She must confess, I am not

01:56:37.320 supposed to be without direction here, not knowing my purpose and station. Rather, I am obliged by

01:56:42.860 god if i am married to serve my husband and render him honor and reverence and if i am not married

01:56:48.580 i am bound to walk in all soberness and modesty cognizant that men have the higher rank and that

01:56:54.960 they must rule and that the woman who disregards this forgets the law of nature and perverts what

01:57:00.900 should be observed as god's command this then this then the place to which saint paul brings back 0.88

01:57:08.760 women. Yeah. The last thing I'll say is this, I remember I preached this all the way back in like

01:57:14.500 2018 or 2019, and it upset a lot of people. I've been fond of saying the prophets weren't killed

01:57:23.180 for being right. Because later on, you know, people end up building tombs to Jeremiah and

01:57:27.220 Isaiah and everybody else that their fathers killed. So eventually, you know, the right side

01:57:33.100 of history, you know, will win out in the end. And so eventually everybody agrees. And so it's

01:57:37.120 not so much that you're persecuted. The prophets are killed for being right. They were killed for

01:57:41.420 being first. They were killed for being right about something at a time when everybody else

01:57:46.180 was still wrong and claiming that what was wrong was right. And so I remember I got a lot of

01:57:51.820 pushback at the time for this. It was a little bit before my time, you know, before people were

01:57:57.820 having some of these conversations. But what I said was chivalry is, you know, that in Ephesians

01:58:05.240 five, you know, the husband like Christ, you know, who gave himself up for the church and

01:58:09.820 sanctifies her by his blood, he sacrificed for the church, his own life. So too, a husband should

01:58:17.260 be willing to lay their lives down for the wives. But then the argument that I made is that stemming 0.92

01:58:22.180 from this, that's central and the highest priority, a man's duty and responsibility, his role towards

01:58:28.060 his wife. But from that, we can argue out in ripples, if you will, to children. Like we

01:58:34.320 wouldn't say a man is called to be willing to take a bullet for his wife but not for his daughter

01:58:39.340 and we say well yeah that fits too even though it's not expressly said right there in ephesians

01:58:43.560 five but yeah that that's that's a good that's a good right sentiment um and but then we can

01:58:49.220 argue even further from that that if a man was single and let's say that his mother you know

01:58:53.460 has already passed 10 years ago and he doesn't have any sisters he only has brothers and he has

01:58:58.100 a father and he has an uncle but no aunts no grandmother no mother no sisters no wife no

01:59:03.360 daughters, is it good and right and pleasing to the Lord if his country enters justly into a war

01:59:10.840 for him to serve in his country's military in order to fight back the hordes of invaders in

01:59:18.100 order to protect other women that he doesn't have a direct relation to? And we say, yes. Or what

01:59:24.700 about a man who, you know, to make it a little bit less now, so not so much laying down the life in

01:59:29.120 the physical, literal sense. But what about when a man opens a door for a woman or just prefers a

01:59:34.280 woman that she goes in first? Or what about the sentiment on the Titanic? You're a single man,

01:59:38.100 you're there, no relative is there with you. And then all of a sudden the ship is going down

01:59:44.960 and they say, women and children first. Is women and children, is it just my wife and my children

01:59:51.880 first? Or is it women and children in a general sense of civilization, society as a whole first?

01:59:58.260 And I would argue that that's a good sentiment, whether it's opening the door or whether it's women and children first, you know, at a meal, you know, like, you know, our church has potlucks, you know, and often it's the women and the children that go first and the men go last.

02:00:10.320 We used to have that as a society and we call that chivalry.

02:00:15.440 Here's what I added to that that got me into trouble is I said that I do think that that same principle, it's taking what is explicit in Scripture, but then deriving from it a general principle that ripples out.

02:00:26.980 And so it's not necessarily as potent. The further ripples go out, the less potent they are. So it's not held to the same level or same degree, but the principle still is there. It still remains intact, although it's maybe applied a little bit more loosely or to a lower degree.

02:00:41.100 But the principle of chivalry is central on a husband towards his wife and a father towards his children, but then extends out to his neighbors and society, and that a man is called to sacrificially love others at the cost of himself with provision and protection.

02:00:58.700 And what I argued was I said that I think that the same thing exists, that same kind of principle, in the opposite direction for women.

02:01:07.820 I think that there is, and in times past, in godly societies, was, and by God's grace, can be again, or at least should be, the female equivalent to being chivalrous, to chivalry.

02:01:23.040 And what I mean by that is that a woman, just like a man, is called to be willing to lay down his life for his bride.

02:01:30.620 But if the Titanic's going down and you're not married, so you have no bride on the ship, there's still a sense of women and children first. 0.89

02:01:36.440 on the counter side for a woman a woman is called to submit to her husband

02:01:41.580 but a general sense of deference practiced by women in a society at large towards men in general

02:01:50.400 even those men who are not specifically your husband or specifically your father but just to

02:01:55.620 say in general as a woman i recognize my god-given station in life and i'm not going to seek to usurp

02:02:03.740 or domineer over the men in the society,

02:02:06.000 not just those men that I happen to be married to,

02:02:08.440 my particular husband,

02:02:10.000 or I happen to be the daughter of,

02:02:11.420 my particular father,

02:02:12.360 but even those men that I have no familial relationship to,

02:02:16.700 but still just in a general sense,

02:02:18.600 the men of society,

02:02:19.560 I'm going to practice deference. 0.69

02:02:21.880 In the same way that the men in the society

02:02:24.340 would be willing to practice

02:02:25.840 a general sense of sacrifice of themselves

02:02:28.580 for all women,

02:02:30.200 not just their wife,

02:02:31.560 but for all women,

02:02:32.640 so too women in society, a general sense of deference towards the men in society. I'm not

02:02:38.160 going to try to lead you. I'm not going to lord things over you. I'm not going to longhouse you.

02:02:44.180 I'm not going to schoolmarm you. I'm not going to scold you. I'm not going to try to exercise 0.80

02:02:50.240 authority over you, and not just in the church, aka women not being elders and not preaching,

02:02:55.640 but even in society at large i believe i believe isaiah says this explicitly that it is a judgment

02:03:03.320 of god it's not something to boast in it's not something to be proud of it is a judgment

02:03:08.280 for a nation to be ruled by women um it's a judgment and so for women to say i know my place

02:03:16.500 and that doesn't mean that i don't have any voice at all i have the ear of my father i have the ear 0.68

02:03:21.260 of my husband. The men are the ones who are sitting in the city gates. That's where they

02:03:25.640 would rule and make determinations for the village, for the town. They're sitting in those

02:03:30.120 chief seats of making determinations and ruling and determining what's going to happen. They're

02:03:35.820 also the defenders. The city gates are part of the city wall so they could see if there's any

02:03:40.120 threat that's looming or coming. The woman, Proverbs 31 and other places, praises her husband

02:03:49.100 in the city gates. She's not sitting in the chief seats making the determinations and ruling,

02:03:53.720 but she still has a voice there. But it's a voice in relation, it's through the agency of her

02:03:59.600 husband in the formal position that he holds. There have been powerful women throughout history, 1.00

02:04:05.160 biblical history, also human history and church history. But the most righteous of women who

02:04:10.420 exercise that power, except for in rare occasions, like a Deborah situation, when it was actually 1.00

02:04:16.420 God's indictment towards the men of Israel saying, you are so pathetic, I'm going to use a woman, 0.98

02:04:21.000 not because it's my natural design, but as a judgment to you, right? I mean, that's what 0.99

02:04:26.140 Deborah says to Barak, you know, when he's like, will you come with us into battle? And she's like,

02:04:30.960 yeah, but the history books are going to say that the glory went to a woman. And she's saying that 0.98

02:04:36.360 as an insult to him. And so there are some rare occasions like that. But the normative,

02:04:40.640 The normative principle throughout healthy societies is not that women are voiceless, but the voice of a woman, a wise woman, is through the ear of her husband, through the ear of it.

02:04:52.600 So there have been queens that have wielded immense power, immense power through influence.

02:05:00.380 And what made them so powerful?

02:05:02.400 It's not that they were the formal ruler, but it's the fact is their proximity to the king, right?

02:05:08.900 You think of Esther. Esther had insane power. That's what Mordecai, her uncle goes to her and 0.95

02:05:14.960 says, if you don't do something now, I get that you're scared, but you got to do something. And

02:05:19.560 if you don't do something now, salvation will still come for the people of God, but it'll come

02:05:23.220 from someone else. And you and your house will be forgotten. And he's not saying it because

02:05:27.760 Esther actually has the formal authority to be able to do something about this impending threat

02:05:35.140 that's coming from Haman towards the people of God, he knows that she doesn't have any power. 0.57

02:05:39.880 And that's her excuse that she gives. That's her counter. She says, Mordecai, you don't get it. 0.79

02:05:43.900 And he's like, I get it. And she's like, you don't get it. Like, I don't have any power at all. I

02:05:47.980 haven't even seen the king for this many days. He hasn't even called on me. And in fact, even though

02:05:52.740 I'm his bride, I'm the queen, I'm not even allowed to go into his proximity without being summoned

02:05:59.460 by him unless it's at the threat of my life, you know. But what Mordecai got, what he understood,

02:06:07.120 and he was right, is he was like, I think you're selling yourself short. In terms of the formal

02:06:12.900 positions and titles and labels of authority, you're right, you got nothing. You got nothing.

02:06:19.160 You're a chick, you know, God bless you, you know, but like that's your role is not an

02:06:23.920 authoritative role, not formally. However, what you are radically underestimating is the informal

02:06:30.760 power and persuasion and influence of the wife of a king, the queen. And you actually can turn

02:06:38.820 the tide of history, not formally by wielding the scepter yourself, but by virtue of your proximity

02:06:45.200 of the one who does. And so my point is, I think, you know, that quote from Calvin, it just makes

02:06:50.960 me think of chivalry and the general, so not just a man and his duties and roles corresponding to

02:06:58.160 his wife in the particular, but also from that stems out the more general ripples of his duty

02:07:05.760 to society and those women who are not his wife. There's still a general sense of women and children

02:07:09.820 first, not just the woman I happen to be married to. And I do think that you can make a biblical 0.95

02:07:15.320 argument from principle and deriving principles, an implicit argument that there is a female

02:07:21.280 equivalency of chivalry, or at least that there should be, and that in healthy societies throughout

02:07:28.360 history there has been, where the woman uniquely and directly submits to her husband. She doesn't 0.70

02:07:36.040 directly submit to all men, but there is a general deference, a spirit of general submission

02:07:41.620 submission afforded to all men, even those who are not her father or husband, while there's a

02:07:46.040 direct and more formal higher degree of submission to the man who actually is her husband. And I say

02:07:54.420 all that to say, it's not enough. If we want to right the ship, it's not enough that we just don't

02:07:59.620 have women preaching on the Lord's day, that we just tell Beth Moore to go home, as glorious as 0.82

02:08:05.360 that is, and I appreciate it. But it's not enough just to say women can't preach and they can't be

02:08:09.280 elders and the man is the head of the home. The nation is, in a sense, a home. What is a nation

02:08:16.160 other than an extended family, an extended household, and a nation that puts women in 0.90

02:08:24.200 positions to rule over men, even outside the home in the church, but in politics, in government,

02:08:30.040 in culture, even in industry, in business, is a nation that is misordered. It is usurping the

02:08:39.740 roles and duties of men and women because it is neglecting and just directly disagreeing

02:08:49.260 with the nature, the distinct differences in nature of men and women. So that's all we got

02:08:54.540 for you today. I hope that you've been blessed by this episode. And again, if you'd like to

02:08:58.660 support this ministry, you can go to rightresponseministries.com forward slash donate.

02:09:04.580 We need your help. There's a lot of people who do not like us, as I'm sure you're aware. You may be

02:09:10.660 one of them. You may be hate-watching right now, which is impressive because you've been hate-watching

02:09:14.420 for two hours straight. So good on you. Congratulations.

02:09:17.820 That's like 10% of a day.

02:09:18.940 Yeah, you gave 10% of the day to just out of spite, just watching Right Response Ministries.

02:09:24.800 But for those of you who are not hate-watching and appreciate this ministry because we talk

02:09:28.560 things that a lot of the church is not talking about, we need your help.

02:09:33.940 There are not a lot of ministries that are having these conversations, and therefore

02:09:38.200 there are not a lot of people who are willing to support ministries like ours.

02:09:41.320 So if you're willing to give a donation, we greatly, greatly, greatly appreciate your

02:09:46.440 generosity.

02:09:47.140 Again, you can go to rightresponseministries.com forward slash donate.

02:09:52.340 Also, I encourage you strongly to join our Patreon.

02:09:55.600 That's one way that you can support the ministry financially, but it's also a way that you'll

02:10:00.260 get a lot of tangible benefits that are extended to you.

02:10:02.860 Right now, we have a nine-part series with myself and Pastor Andrew Isker on all things

02:10:08.580 surrounding the topic, the hot topic of the day, Israel.

02:10:12.800 How to think about modern Israel today, ethnically.

02:10:16.540 Are these really the same as, you know, the people of Abraham, you know, and nationally,

02:10:23.520 covenantally, spiritually, all these different things?

02:10:27.080 How should we think about Israel today?

02:10:29.420 What does the Bible actually say about that?

02:10:31.040 The whole psyop of Judeo-Christian, Christianity and Christian values, nine episodes.

02:10:37.640 It's almost nine hours of content.

02:10:39.340 Each episode is about an hour in length with myself and Pastor Andrew Isker.

02:10:42.760 that is slowly dripping out to the public,

02:10:46.000 but it'll take weeks or actually a couple of months

02:10:49.120 for it to all come out.

02:10:50.080 But you can get every single episode.

02:10:52.000 Right now, they're available.

02:10:52.920 All nine episodes, ad-free,

02:10:54.700 exclusively for our Patreon members.

02:10:56.480 Go to patreon.com forward slash right response ministries.

02:11:00.460 Patreon.com forward slash right response ministries.

02:11:03.080 And not only will you get the series

02:11:04.500 with me and Pastor Isker,

02:11:05.600 but you will also get, that's a nine part series.

02:11:07.860 You'll get a 10 part series, 10 hours of content

02:11:10.200 that will not be released to the public

02:11:12.540 for several months. It'll start slow dripping out one episode per week in April and May and June.

02:11:18.940 So you'll have to wait almost six months to get all 10 of these episodes. But it's a 10-part

02:11:23.420 series on Christian nationalism and how to actually implement Christian nationalism. So

02:11:28.380 the theology, the political philosophy, the theological framework, and also the practical

02:11:34.740 implementation and some of the hurdles that will have to be overcome for Christian nationalism,

02:11:41.020 particularly in these United States of America. It's with myself and Dr. Stephen Wolf, who wrote

02:11:45.600 the case for Christian nationalism. So, we had him in the studio. Same thing. You can wait months

02:11:51.000 for it to drip out one episode at a time, beginning in April, or you can get all 10 episodes

02:11:56.940 available today, ad-free, again, exclusively for our Patreon members. Again, that's patreon.com

02:12:03.860 forward slash Right Response Ministries. And the final thing I'll say, I'll be remiss if I don't

02:12:08.280 mention it one final time, April 3rd, 4th, and 5th, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, April 3rd, 4th,

02:12:14.020 and 5th. We have our conference coming up. It's Christ is King, How to Defeat Trash World. We've

02:12:20.060 got an all-star lineup, a lot of guys, guys that we don't agree with on everything. We're going to

02:12:26.140 have multiple panels, and we'll probably see some of those debates. We're going to have a formal

02:12:30.560 debate between Dr. Stephen Wolf and Pastor David Reese on theonomy versus natural law. And so we're

02:12:38.200 going to actually have the debate. Stephen Wolf defending natural law and David Reese

02:12:42.020 going against him in terms of natural law. And so we're going to have that formal debate. It'll

02:12:48.340 be 90 minutes long. Wes is going to be moderating that debate. But we're also going to have other

02:12:53.140 panels in addition to that with guys like Steve Dace and guys like Oren McIntyre. I mean, you've

02:12:57.600 got Dusty Devers. You've got Eric Kahn and Andrew Isker and CJ Engel and all these different guys,

02:13:03.600 A.D. Robles, John Harris. And so we're super excited about this conference. It's going to be,

02:13:09.060 I believe, seven or eight main sessions and three panels. One of those a formal debate. The other

02:13:13.980 ones where we're hashing it out. We're trying to figure out how do we defeat trash world? What does

02:13:18.860 the Bible say? How does Christian nationalism actually work here in America? Who can we actually

02:13:25.120 be co-belligerents with? Who can we not? Where do we draw the lines? All these kinds of conversations

02:13:31.080 are going to be happening. And more than that, right? Because you can eventually get the content

02:13:34.700 online. But more than that, it's the camaraderie. It's the brotherhood that we've been talking about

02:13:39.500 in this episode. It's the chance to touch grass and get offline and be in flesh and blood with

02:13:46.140 a thousand other people who are like-minded. To get just that annual reminder that you're not

02:13:53.860 crazy. And perhaps even more importantly than that, that you're not alone. It's to network and

02:13:59.820 to make friendships. Real friendships are made. We've had weddings that have come out of our

02:14:03.680 conference, not just friendships, but marriages. And so, we strongly encourage you to go to

02:14:08.960 Right Response Conference. So, not Right Response Ministries. This one's different.

02:14:13.820 RightResponseConference.com. RightResponseConference.com to register for the conference today.

02:14:19.400 And if you can't come because you're in New Zealand or Australia or whatever,

02:14:22.840 first, I'm sorry. May God bless you. Living in some of these police states. You're living in

02:14:31.700 the heart of trash world. But for those of you who just, you can't come for practical reasons 0.98

02:14:36.700 because you're international or you live here, but you're across the country and you don't have

02:14:41.800 the finances to be able to travel or to take off work, we get it. Then I just see point A. Let me

02:14:47.920 divert you back to what I said earlier, are Patreon members. Not only do you get the nine-part

02:14:54.460 series on Israel with Andrew Isker and the 10-part series on Christian nationalism with Stephen Wolfe,

02:14:59.560 but you also will be able to live stream in real time. You're going to be able to live stream

02:15:03.740 every single piece of content, all seven or eight main sessions, all three panels.

02:15:08.440 As it's happening, you're going to be able to live stream the entirety of the conference.

02:15:12.580 And simply by being a Patreon member, you can get all the series, the Israel series,

02:15:19.680 the Christian nationalism series for, I think, our lowest tier, the silver tier, $5 a month.

02:15:25.760 But for the live stream of the conference, that is the gold tier, which I believe is $10 a month.

02:15:31.500 And I would encourage you to go ahead and not wait, but sign up and get ready now.

02:15:35.300 You can start enjoying the content from Isker and Wolf, and then you'll be ready in two and a half months.

02:15:40.600 It's not far away, two and a half months to be able to live stream the conference if you're

02:15:43.840 not able to make it in person.

02:15:45.900 All right, that's it for today.

02:15:47.080 We hope you've been blessed.

02:15:48.040 We'll see you again, Lord willing, on Friday.

The NXR Podcast - January 15, 2025

THE LIVESTREAM - Andrew Tate Clueless Christians

Episode Stats

Summary

Transcript