THE LIVESTREAM - Arranged Marriages & Appropriate Ages
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In this episode, we discuss arranged marriages and the role that parents play in shaping their children's life and the impact they can have on their children. Parents have a huge role to play in setting their children up for success in life and in marriage. How do they influence their children? What role do they play in their children s life? How can they influence them in order to ensure that they have a godly, righteous, suitable spouse for the future?
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All right, today we are going to be discussing arranged marriages, something that sends a shiver up the spine of modern libtards in our culture today.
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They can't possibly imagine that parents, loving parents who care for their sons, care for their daughters might be involved in a intentional way to ensure that their children have a godly, righteous, suitable spouse for the future.
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we've made all that sound as though it's evil and sinister but this is the way that marriage for the
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most part functioned in many different societies christian societies might we remind you throughout
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the course of human history until relatively recently i remember once hearing an old saying
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somebody said once that in the east love begins with marriage in the west love ends in marriage
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and i remember pondering that as a young man and agreeing with the basic sentiment that there
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really is something behind that now the reality is that's not always the way things were it's not
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as though for the last 2 000 years in the west that marriage has always been the death of romance
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affection and love that has not been the case but i think that this saying is true when it comes to
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the modern west that still in many places in the east today even at present time love romance is
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something that is cultivated and starts with marriage and blossoms further over the course
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of many years whereas in the west again not historically but recently presently romance
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love adoration affection is something that often cultivates in a dating relationship
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and ends in marriage and then begins to wither and die it doesn't have to be this way there is hope
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and we want to look at the western tradition looking to our fathers our ancestors those who
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were christian who feared god and whose soul arranged marriages in their in their circumstances
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and environments as something that was necessary but beyond the necessity that was you know
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directly correlated to their time their present challenges they also saw it as something that was
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just generally beneficial and wise and i think many of those principles and wisdom
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Categorically, I don't think there is a question that we get more often than the question of parents relating to how do I essentially set my children up to have good options for marriage?
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And we've got to be honest, parents have a huge impact, not necessarily on who their child will choose directly, although they'll certainly impact that, of course, with their marriage and their home, but by property, for example, of where they live.
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That is going to massively, in an incredible way,
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as the context, as their peers available for marriage.
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what college are you going to send your children to or not?
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What college are you going to pay for at the very least?
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Well, we're not going to pay for you to go 50 states away
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My parents, for example, knew the parents of my wife
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because they chose to live there. They're in a Christian context. They knew one another. I met
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my wife in that context, and we came to meet. And so parents, you have a huge, I would say
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responsibility would be the good term, of at least giving your children the opportunity to be married
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young. All else being equal, being married earlier in life, again, assuming maturity, assuming
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everything else, being married early in life is a massive blessing. It affords more children,
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for example. It affords greater companionship. The Proverbs speak of the good of companionship
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that's going to help men mature better. It's going to help them build a home. They're more
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motivated. Men who are married make more money. The Proverbs also speak of rejoice. Well, I'm not
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trying to be crude. I'm just quoting scripture, but rejoice in the breast of your wife always.
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And then other translations and then also other verses talk about rejoicing in the wife of your
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youth um there is something biblical about um i've been with this woman since my youth and and so
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yes so for in terms of procreation and child rearing um you can have more children psalm 127
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says blessed is the man whose quiver is full children women that give birth earlier in life
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have subsequent healthier pregnancies they live longer and um there's less complications really
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physically so if you're a man and you're you've been married for a couple years your wife is 30
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31 32 and you're continuing to delay that first child that will come back and she will have more
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difficult pregnancies the greater risk of complications having children earlier for a
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woman is literally physically more beneficial it's loving and assuming she's married it's
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loving your bride it's protecting her life um protecting the longevity of her life and the
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health the quality of her life but also the health of your children a child born to a woman in her
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early 40s has a much lower chance, a much lower likelihood of not having certain disabilities
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or certain health problems. Whereas a child who's born to that same woman when she's 23 years old,
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25 years old, has a higher percent, a higher likelihood of being born healthy. So it's the
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health of your wife, the length of her lifespan, also the health and length of lifespan of your
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children. But then that's just one reason, child bearing and child rearing. But another reason
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is when it comes to being protected against temptation and sexual lust.
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My, you know, my story and past failures with this have been publicized by many people who
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hate me and would like to see this ministry crumble. But it's still, you know, it stands
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to reason that if I had, in the grace of God, married at a younger age, I would have less
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sin that I had accumulated over the course of being a single man and not being married. And so
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if I had been married at 22, 23, you know, my early 20s, and that's, you know, looking at myself
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as an example, but I think that principle is generally true for pretty much every man. Every
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man who has failed in the area of sexual purity, much of that failure tends to be, yes, adultery
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is real um but you know but but for the most part most men when it comes to their sexual sin
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is pre-marriage it's it's not necessarily adultery in marriage although that happens sadly
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but it's usually uh fornication pre-marriage and so for men who prolong singleness prolong
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adolescence um being a bachelor you know for uh 20 years you know from the the time that they hit
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puberty to the time that they finally get married you're talking about two decades of of ultimately
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placing yourself in the situation of having to resist temptation it's it's playing with fire
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i mean just statistically speaking in a world that is completely immersed in sex i mean you
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you have pornography accessibility in your pocket because of smartphones and there's billboards on
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every street corner and all this garbage and degeneracy that we're surrounded with and to not
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have a single biblical righteous outlet for sexual fulfillment because you're not married
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and to stay in that state for a prolonged period of time 10 years 20 years 30 years post puberty
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is basically i mean it's it's virtually just um pleading with the devil to come and trip you up
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Yeah. So all of those factors have led a number of parents, and they've asked the questions,
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how biblical is an arranged marriage? So I have a daughter that's of marital age, 20, 21, 22,
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maybe she's in her mid to late 20s. And I know other families, and probably not necessarily
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we're friends with them, and I'm talking about two people that have already connected,
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but I know of another person, and I could go and spend time with them. But practically speaking,
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the relationship wouldn't develop like a normal dating relationship would. They know each other
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mutually, maybe at church or school. Then the man, ideally, he asks her out, they begin to date and
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then get married. But more intentionally, we're going to evaluate this man. Say you're the father
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of a daughter. I've heard of a young man who has his home in order. He's a godly man, a good man,
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he's mature. And what's going to happen is not that I'm going to send you to go on a road trip
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for 15 hours and go meet him with no chaperone, no supervision to make up your mind if you like him,
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but I'm going to take the initiative. I'm going to go, I'm going to interview this man. I'm going
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to sit down with him. I'm going to ask him about his life, about his vocation, about his goals,
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about his walk with Christ, that type of arranged marriage. That's what people are beginning to
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think. That actually doesn't sound so terrible. There's all these good things about marriage.
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As you mentioned, it's a guard, it's a blessing, children. There's all these good things,
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but we're in a difficult time. It's tough, especially to find someone if you are like us,
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You're, hey, I'm Christian. I'm reformed. I'm post-millennial. These are the things that I'm
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active in and I care about. Guys, we got to be honest. There are not a lot of young men and
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women out there. There are, of course, thousands, but they're spread all across the United States.
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If you're here in the United States, and this is your context. So it has many questioning.
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Arranged marriage, that really doesn't sound so bad. I'm going to go back to a little bit
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of context here as far as marriage and the church and how the church has thought about this
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historically. This is from an article, Marriage and Family in Protestant and Evangelical
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understanding. And it says this, this is a good quote. Western perceptions of marriage have largely
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been shaped by Christianity to the extent that in order to understand what constitutes marriage,
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one must consider Christian views of marriage as they develop over time. Christian ideas of
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marriage stem from the Old Testament, in particular the book of Genesis. But the Christian understanding
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of marriage developed within the social and historical context of the Roman Empire. The
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period when the canon of the New Testament was under construction was further clarified during
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the period of the Middle Ages when it fell under the direct jurisdiction of the church. Now going
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on, this is in the same article, the author says this, although a sacrament and a sound way of
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Christian living, marriage in the Roman Catholic Church was not considered to be particularly
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spiritually edifying. Marriage was a remedy for sin, not a recipe for righteousness. Marital life
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was considered less commendable than celibate life. Propagation, less virtuous than contemplation,
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So having children was less virtuous than being a monk.
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Clerics, monastics, and other servants of the church were thus to forego marriage as
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Those who could not do so were not worthy of the church's holy orders and offices.
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Celibacy was something of a litmus test of spiritual discipline and social superiority.
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Again, that's from an article, Marriage and Family in Protestant and Evangelical Understanding.
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And then this final quote, this is from a book, Pursuing Hope in the Premodern World,
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and it's going to give a little bit of context and I'll get into it on ages, arrangements and
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what it was typically for. We have to understand that nothing happens in a vacuum. There's a reason
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people did the things that they did in times past. Pursuing hope in the pre-modern world it says this
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so this dynamic that I'm about to show is evident in Byzantian society where the fear of losing
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children at an early age prompted parents to baptize them as soon after birth so they would
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not be deprived of final salvation. As the Byzantians lived surrounded by the prospect of death
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at any time an increased concern for the future of children was manifested in parents's decisions
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to seek for profitable matrimonial alliances for their offspring once they passed the risky period
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of infancy this practice was especially characteristic for upper middle class families
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we'll get back to this kind of theme in a little bit for upper middle class families in the middle
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byzantian period when both imperial legislation and church canons permitted betrothal from the
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age of seven so this would be hey in the future when they come of age you're betrothed not married
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yet not married at seven but betrothed when you come of age this would be who you marry
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if it was marriage at seven then then you know we'd be talking about islam i was about to say
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then we'd be muslims yeah classic muhammad move right there all right go ahead so uh church
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canon laws permitted betrothal from the age of seven and marriage from the age of 12 for girls
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and 14 for boys in practice such early marriage arrangements betrothal seven right and then
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actual marriage 12 for girls 14 for boys go ahead which would roughly correspond to puberty
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Those would be about the times that boys and girls would go through puberty.
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And practice such early marriage arrangements made by the parents function as an instance for the child's future.
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Since many fathers were aware by the time their daughters reached marriageable age, they might not be alive.
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In a world of war, in a world that you had the Muslims actually coming up.
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This was in the east, so Constantinople, the Byzantian Empire.
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Eventually the Turks, it's 1500, it fully falls.
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But by the 7th century, Islam is expanding.
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you're under constant threat and so you had fathers that had daughters and they were saying
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uh look uh i understand that you're seven uh but it's a cold cruel world out there and i might not
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be alive next year and so to secure your future i'm going to go ahead and betroth you to the son
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of this family who's of a similar age maybe he's a little bit older and in this way look out for
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your future now i give that as a case study it would be impossible here in the time we have to
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go through all the different time periods and all the different arrangements. But what I can say is
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this. This is 500s. So this is not time of the Reformation. This is not even the 12th to the
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13th century. This is the 5th, 6th, 7th century where the church at this time period in this
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empire, you can see very much so the practice was, hey, the context is requiring that we early on
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seek out for our children a spouse for them to have. Another big reason, so in this case it's
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death, it's the threat of war. Another big reason for arranged marriages was to secure land. So this
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was typically in the nobles. The nobles would be about 10% of a given society, right? Your Pareto
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principal, your 80-20. Most societies, your nobles, your aristocrats, they're about 10 to 20% of the
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society. So that upper class, they typically had land and homes and wealth, and marriage was almost
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always the ways that they continued to fortify. And so they would marry their daughter off to
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the son of another family whose family possessed massive amounts of land, and that would be a way
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she would be given some of the land and it would be shared within the family. And so that was the
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reason the wealthy did it. But then even more so, as I looked into it, not in every single case,
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and there was different times where the individuals themselves could get married without parental
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consent. So for the nobles, a lot of times, it's kind of what the parents said goes. With the
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rural workers, the peasants, it wasn't as universally the case. But even there, I saw
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estimates, about 70, 80% of the time, it would be the parents, we'd be involved. They would pair the
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two people together and they would say, hey, you have a duty. We are a farming society. There's
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lots of work to be done. There are armies to staff. Children make the world go around. You
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and so-and-so, you're going to get married. And so I would never pretend as though that's descriptive
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of all of time in Christendom up till the Enlightenment, as if that was universal and
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there were never exceptions. There were. The Christian church, especially at different times
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in different places has emphasized romantic love, companionship. Protestants actually did it best
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between Luther and Calvin. They had a strong emphasis on it because they freed it from the
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church. They said, this isn't a sacrament. This is a natural gift given to man. When we speak of
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arranged marriages, just for kind of context, it's always the circumstances that are necessitating
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it. Hey, we could die next year. I could die next year. I have daughters and I want them to be taken
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care of. Hey, we own massive amounts of land that have been passed down to our family for five
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generations. I need to secure this land. It needs to go to someone. I need to have grandkids bearing
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my name that I can give this to. And so that's why I was done. Hey, we have a need for people.
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We're a small village. We need hands on the farm and you're 18 years old, 19 years old.
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It's time to get married and get to work. And so all that being said, very common practices. We can
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get to age gaps in a second. Age gaps were very common, but there's very much so a sense that I
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think we've lost hey you have a duty love matters romance matters companionship matters and those
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appeared time in different places but as you can kind of see from these quotes there was also you
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have a duty you have a land that you're an inheritor of hey uh you have a you have a duty
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continued to continue my legacy if i die next year duty to continue the lineage duty to steward the
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land and resources duty to uh simply uh replace and more than that to be fruitful and multiply
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not just replacing but multiplying the population so there's a duty to country that your nation
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doesn't dwindle in its population so a duty to country a duty to kin and family to steward the
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land a duty that fathers had to daughters knowing that you know there's there's famine there's plague
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there's disease and there's also war that that father could be called into battle next year
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he could be slain on the battlefield who's going to take care of his daughters he wants to know
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that they're betrothed, that they have a husband in the works, that he's going to fulfill that role
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if something, you know, some tragedy should befall him. So all these things were rooted in duty. And
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it doesn't mean that they didn't care about romance and love and affection and adoration or any of
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these things at all, companionship. They did care about them. But those things, in many ways, it's
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not that they were absent, but they took a backseat priority to duty because there was, at times were
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hard things were difficult that the average person was not living to to be 80 years old and so well
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we can get married at 25 and we'll still have the vast majority of our life spent together and
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time to see grandkids and maybe even great grandkids uh no with with nations and contexts
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where there's all these exterior threats whether it be war or famine disease etc
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you're talking about average lifespans being significantly cut short many people it was
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common that they would die in their 40s or maybe die in their 50s. So at that point, you're talking
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about if you wait till you're 25 to be married and the average lifespan of your country, you know,
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your fellow citizens at that time is 43, 44. You're talking about only, you know, getting married at
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25. You're talking about only maybe 40% of your entire life being in marriage. There's no way
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you're going to see your grandkids and you're only going to be able to have so many children
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yourself. So all these things were rooted in necessity and necessity drove a sense of duty.
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And yes, they wanted companionship and romance and love and all these kinds of things. All those
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verses of the Bible were still there in their time and they were emphasized. Husbands, love
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your wives as Christ loves the church. Wives, submit to your husbands as the church submits
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to christ so uh this you know the dynamics of having a healthy loving marriage were there and
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present and taught by their priests and in their churches to their communities um but uh the tail
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was not wagging the dog so to speak it wasn't it wasn't romance first and and then maybe we'll
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fulfill some duties second no it was necessity driving duty first and then trying with with the
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fulfillment of the responsibility that each person had that implored them to marry well and to marry
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young and to marry in productive ways then out of that that came first and then out of that let's
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i have a duty to provide for my children right and i also love them so we can never pit the two
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against each other well you can have love and you can marriage for marry for love you have duty and
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drudgery we have we have a duty to love god right and yet um in his right hand are pleasures forever
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more in his presence his fullness of joy um a loving relationship with god um christ being the
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vine us the van uh the branches having union with christ by the spirit communion with the triune god
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in heaven forever nobody would look at that and say man that's going to be really rough no it's
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going to be bliss. It's going to be absolute bliss. It's going to be wonderful. And yet at
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the same time, it's not just something that's wonderful and therefore made available in God's
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grace and a privilege that we might choose or might not. It's also a command. God commands
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everyone everywhere to believe the gospel and repent of their sins and to love him. So we are
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literally, that's the first commandment. Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind,
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and strength. Have no other gods before me. If we're looking at the Decalogue in Exodus 20. So
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the first and paramount commandment that God gives to every single person is not just you're
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suggested to, or I've made it possible to. No, you are absolutely expected, duty bound to love me.
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And also in loving me, you will find the most fulfillment, the most joy, the most peace,
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the most happiness that you possibly could, not only in this life, but the life to come.
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Yeah. Both. And as it relates to parents training up their children, I would say it starts early.
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you have duties and putting that on them to say, you're not just here for a free ride. You're not
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just a soul experiencing itself and going out and traveling and doing all of these things.
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The earlier you can put them into a context to say, I was reading a good book. It was a series
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of sermons. And one of the sermons was on the duties of Christian children. And towards the
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end, he's emphasizing, if you were born to parents that came from the faith, you have a duty to them.
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It's not just, well, I don't know if I feel like being Christian. Obviously that's wrong,
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But it's not just wrong because it's a sin to not believe the Christian gospel.
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It's also wrong because it's a sin against your parents.
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And so emphasizing to your children, it's not just about, I think, of men.
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One of the big ones is they're able to have sex outside of marriage.
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But insofar as you're training your son, not just at 17 when he starts to think about these things,
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but early, early, early on, obviously marriage at four years old.
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I think of how churches used to have graveyards next to them.
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Marriage at four years, you said obviously not marriage.
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Right, as in you're not emphasizing your marital duties at four.
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You said it so quickly, it sounded like you said obviously marriage at four years old.
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And as far as churches used to have courtyards.
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So in a given day, you would walk through town and see everything going on,
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And there's my great-grandfather where he's buried,
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and my parents will be buried here, and I'll be buried here,
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and I'll have grandchildren that'll be buried here.
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And so once we eventually get to, hey, marriage, children, family,
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all of these things, it starts by laying the foundation,
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You have a duty as a Christian that is attending church,
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that has Christian parents that have taught you the faith.
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a duty assuming God has given you everything you need
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to have children, to be fruitful, and multiply, and to marry.
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Jesus talks about those who have been eunuchs from birth.
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There are rare cases where there is the exception.
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However, generally speaking, and also you're expected to marry,
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to ideally marry young, to have children. And that duty, again, it's not to conflict with love
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and companionship and all of those things, but very much so is still present. And if anything,
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the love might come and go. How many people, we talked to David Edgington this week,
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how many times the wife, well, I don't feel loved, so I'm going to initiate a divorce.
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I don't feel the passion. I don't feel the spark anymore in this. So I'm going to leave my marriage
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maturing it like a fine wine is the romantic love.
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some other other of the other things that we're going to be talking about that is going to serve
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them very well certainly in marriage but also just generally in life right what if god's purpose for
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marriage has more to do with your holiness rather than your happiness is essentially what we're
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saying and we're trying to tie the two together because i think that's by experience the way that
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it works and also that's um i think uh clearly demonstrated in the scripture as well that
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holiness and happiness are not at odds with one another. So I think God's chief purpose
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in marriage is more about our holiness than it is our happiness. But in a life of holiness,
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happiness is found. True freedom is found within the bounds. True joy and peace and fulfillment
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and happiness is going to be found within the bounds. So teaching our children from a young
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age that you have a duty and that one cornerstone of that duty, a large portion of it is to marry,
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to marry young if you can to marry well certainly as a prerequisite to say that this is a large part
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of your duty becoming a husband becoming a father becoming a wife becoming a mother
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and doing that to the glory of God and the ways that he is prescribed at a young age that you
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might be fruitful and multiply and productive and all these different things we want to teach
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our children from a young age that that is their duty but we also want to assure our children
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from the scripture and from life experiences, both positive and negative examples to the contrary,
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that not only will this cultivate their holiness, but in so doing, it also will ensure
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their greatest happiness. The person who just prolongs their adolescence and singleness
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into their thirties and then into their forties. I mean, we see videos about this every single day
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on TikTok for, you know, somebody talking about how they're, you know, they're by their own
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volition, right? They're intentionally single, you know, as they're currently, you know, halfway
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through their life. And we can watch these videos. You can see a deep seated sadness in the person's
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eyes. You can see that the person is incredibly unfulfilled. These are not happy people. And so
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we are loving our children by directing them towards what God prescribes as normative for
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most people and also what lends towards, generally speaking, a more fulfilled and happy life.
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So it's worth noting too that when it comes to marriage, just in general, not talking about
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a range, just in general too, we have to recognize that generally speaking, men will be older than
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the woman that they marry sometimes. They'll be close in age. It doesn't often work as well if
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a woman is older, for example, we have to recognize that down through history, most certainly in
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Christendom, men are generally going to be older. And it's a fact that kind of makes some people
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squirm. Like, man, that's 22 to 27. Like that's five years. Why not the other way around? Or
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doesn't this seem interchangeable? Well, it doesn't matter if she's older or he's older.
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It should just be you love one another. But generally speaking, we've talked about this
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before, what men bring to the table when it comes to marriage is strength and provision. They lead,
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they provide for the home they care for they protect it they lay down their lives and then
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generally what women bring to the table as far as marriage goes certainly companionship but fertility
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and youth is another one we've said with for men strength well for women beauty it's not even
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exactly it's not even that they bring youth they bring fertility and beauty and then also
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um respect men it's uh you know it's love would maybe be the uh the primary banner and underneath
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that love love in what way uh protection and provision and so if it's you know providing
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something you you typically need as a general rule more time to accumulate provision right if
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it's protection well you need more time to mature so that you have the strength now in order to
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protect. And that's, there's a physical aspect to that, right? Like a 14 year old boy is not
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physically able to protect someone as much as a 24 year old young man. He physically doesn't have
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the same degree of stature and strength. But also when you think of protection, not just in the
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physical realm, but protection from being deceived, protection from being, you know, there's all kinds
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of things besides just physical threats. But that too requires time and maturity, right? So in order
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to be a good spiritual protector from heresy and deception and all these kinds of things. Well,
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what does that require? Wisdom. Okay. What does the Bible say about wisdom? Wisdom is often linked
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with humility, but wisdom is also often linked with age in the scriptures, right? That the glory
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of an older man is his gray hair, that it serves as a crown of wisdom, right? Can you be an older
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man and be a fool? Yes. Can you be relatively young and yet still wise? Well, I think of the
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apostle Paul who writes of his son in the faith, Timothy, and says, let no one despise you for your
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youth. Because Timothy was a young man, but he was an exceptional young man. He was wise beyond
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his years. So we have examples throughout the scripture and throughout just human history
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of young men who are exceptionally wise. And we have old men who are sadly exceptionally foolish,
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but in general in general we would expect that wisdom comes through time therefore age strength
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also comes through time now there's a certain point where all of a sudden the strength kind
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of climaxes and then begins to decline but the point still remains that for men if if the big
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thing the big headline is love and the two primary you know avenues of expressing that love is
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provision which takes time to accumulate and protection which takes time to mature both in
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strength and in wisdom, if that's what men are providing, if that's what they're bringing to the
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table, love through protection and provision, that takes time. If what women are providing is beauty
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as well as procreation, right? So giving to her husband children that will bear his name.
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And then also you could, you could also argue submission from the scripture. I think of
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Ephesians chapter five, wives submit to your husbands in everything as the church submits
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to Christ. Well, when you think of that for a wife, time is actually not on her side. Fertility
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declines with age. Beauty, right? The Proverbs also say beauty, charm is deceitful and beauty
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is fleeting. But a woman who fears the Lord is to be praised. So beauty has a shorter shelf life,
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we could say, right? In terms of physical beauty. Exactly. Now for a godly woman, that physical
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beauty gives way to deeper and deeper degrees of spiritual beauty. A woman who fears the Lord,
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that inner person, the inner beauty of the heart, which is characteristically described as a gentle
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and quiet spirit, which is precious in the sight of God. That's 1 Peter chapter 3. So we're not
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saying that a woman ceases to be beautiful in every way. A godly woman who fears the Lord becomes
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more beautiful with every day as she develops inner beauty more and more. But that physical,
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literal fertility and physical, literal beauty are two primary things. And then we could add
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submission to it as a third thing, fertility, physical beauty, and submission that she brings
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to the table. And the reality is that if a woman is getting married at the age of 30,
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she is objectively less fertile she is becoming less physically attractive she is she may not
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want to admit it but a 35 year old woman has less youthfulness and vigor and natural beauty
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than a 25 year old woman so the beauty is fading that's what the scripture says beauty fades
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the physical beauty the fertility is is decreasing and also because we live in a secular society
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um the longer that she is uh living the more years she racks up without uh coming under the
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headship of a husband but having already left uh the headship of her father she is building up
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a longer and longer tenure of of a headless life right um where she's no longer really submitted
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in any practical meaningful way to her father but has not yet begun to be submitted and practice
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submission to a husband and so that 30 year old woman in real terms you're looking at a decline
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in physical beauty a decline in physical fertility and if she leaves her home at 18 as many young
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women do in our culture today you're looking at 12 years of her practicing being her own head
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instead of being under male headship to her father which would more naturally translate
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transfer to being under the headship of a husband so she is literally um she is declining in beauty
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declining infertility and only really increasing in one thing which would be insubordination
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so my point is uh the older a woman gets the less desirable as a commodity in real terms she becomes
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um, for, uh, being a, a suitable spouse. Whereas the older a man gets, he actually his value as
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a spouse, not saying indefinitely, not saying at, at 96 years old, man, he's the most eligible
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bachelor, right? Like there's a cutoff for men too. But I think we need to admit if men, if it's
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bringing wisdom, protection, uh, uh, provision, these kinds of things, um, a man, he becomes
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more and more eligible and probably peaks with lifespans being what they are today. Let's,
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let's call it like around 80 years old, 80 to 85 years old, 75 to 85 in the West. Um, and, uh,
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looking at provision and our economic systems and, and, uh, what it takes to build wealth and
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those kinds of things on average, um, you know, a man, what he's able to produce and the income
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he's able to achieve at various points along his life as it corresponds to age. And all these ways
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and the way that wisdom is accumulated over time throughout the years. For a man, you could argue
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that a man, his eligibility as a bachelor probably peaks in his 40s.
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I knew when you started this, you're about to say the age that you're generally at.
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Whereas a woman, no, I'm not in my 40s. I'm in my 30s, barely.
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so you're you're about to hit your prime you're like you guys have just gotten but i've been
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married for 10 years i'm off the market um but my point is generally speaking a man probably peaks
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in his 40s uh whereas a woman probably peaks in her 20s that's that's the formula that we didn't
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write the formula right we're not even saying like yeah we love this but we're just saying that um
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in physical terms, practical terms, economic terms, uh, uh, social terms, um, economic at every
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level. Um, that's just the way that it is. And so ideally, like, cause the Bible does still talk
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about a man, um, celebrating the wife of his youth. Ideally, we do want to see young men get
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married young, uh, while they're still in their youth and not have, you know, this 20 year gap
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from puberty to marriage where they're just racking up bad habits, selfish living, and
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sexual promiscuity. So we're saying even in the case of a man, there is, I think, clearly a biblical
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incentive for marrying earlier rather than later. But it still exists, the fact that a man can get
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married in his 40s and be a catch in a way that a woman who gets married in her 40s will be far
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less, exponentially less of a catch. And that's why we've seen throughout Christendom, not that
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it has to be the rule, an ironclad universal rule for all marriages and all places and all times,
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but if we're just looking and trying to detect a pattern, you have found very clearly in Christian
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societies for thousands of years now, the general pattern of men marrying a younger woman, not
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women marrying a younger man. And that's not arbitrary. It's not capricious on the part of
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God and his design. It is quite logical. There are clear reasons for that.
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And bringing it now, we'll talk practically about arranged marriages. What that means is,
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And I think, I don't know what you would say about this.
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I think the man should be the one that's initiating, not actually the man's father.
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The fathers are asking about the girl initiated by the man.
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But if you are a man and you're looking to be married and you're actually going to take
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the route of, I'm going to address fathers that might have eligible daughters.
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Generally speaking, practically, they should be at your age or younger.
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that's not to say it could never work if she's a year older than you that's not a not a hard and
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fast rule but as a pattern if you're a 25 year old man um generally speaking down one to five years
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is a perfect age range to look we are not giving a universal rule 20 to 30 we're giving a general
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rule but the thing that is helpful about generalities is that generalities are generally
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true okay so like people always object to well um you know you said that the average woman is
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five foot six, but I know a woman who's five foot eight. Okay. The average, we're talking about
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generalities. Okay. And in general, you're absolutely right. In general, a young man
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should be looking for a potential suitor who is his age or younger. And then for the father of
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a daughter, generally speaking, a man says, Hey, I was referred to you. You go to my church. I'd
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be interested potentially in courting your daughter he's looking for someone that is at
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that stage of life which is probably going to be at her age or a little bit older so if his daughter
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is 20 his daughter is 25 he's looking for someone that's 25 30 35 40 and the point that we're saying
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is just because a man calls and he's 35 years old doesn't in and of itself mean oh well she's 12
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timeless treasure. I liked what you said about headship because that I think is the ideal
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arrangement. I don't think we're going to sit here and say, and arranged marriages are the
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best route to go bar none. I do think people finding one another organically pursuing. I do
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think that is probably the ideal. I don't know what you would say. I don't know if I'd say ideal,
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but I think it's certainly permissible, but although it is permissible that two individuals,
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man and a woman could find each other organically, I would still prescribe, um, you know, the,
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the wisdom of bringing, uh, the father of the woman into the equation. So a man can meet a woman at,
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you know, a church conference or whatever it might be. Um, and the initial, you know,
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connection could be him and her, um, that could be the initial connection. Um, but I would then,
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you know wanting to honor her father and honor the lord bring the father into it um and so i don't
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know if i would say that's ideal i would say that because of the way our society is structured today
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it's become normative um i don't think that the fact that it's normative makes it the ideal but
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um but it is normative i'll certainly see that point but even with that being normative um you
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know future husband meeting future wife as the initial meeting um that still doesn't um that
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still doesn't uh necessitate that the father of that woman isn't brought in you know um quickly
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promptly after that initial meeting yep and so when we're talking about you could say arranged
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marriages all the way you have courtship which would be kind of in the middle that's typically
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the family is very involved the dating just very broadly speaking we're kind of actually talking
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about, and more so in the realm of the daughters, of the father of a daughter, we're talking about
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the level of parental involvement. Are we talking about the dad driving, you know, to another state,
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dad flying across the country, dad making a phone call? Hey, dad, I'm 21 years old. I'm mature. I'm
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godly. I want to marry a godly man and have children. Man's picking up the phone. Hey, we
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have a church in this state that we know full of great people. It's bigger than ours. It has other
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families. Picking up the phone and doing that, that would be the level of involvement that may
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be arranged. But even so, to your point in dating, dads should still be evolved, especially with
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their daughters. And if a son is so young, 18, 19, that dad's coming along because he has his
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license, maybe he's a little bit young. But the point is, especially for daughters, dads are doing
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the work of discerning. We've got to be perfectly honest, 18 to 19 year old girls, they're not
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really equipped to discern the qualities in a man that will make good marriage material. We just
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But to be perfectly honest, even into 20s, 21, 22, 23, it is paramount, I would say, for any Christian woman.
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If your father is a Christian, if he is a good man, if he knows the things to look for, to say,
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Dad, I recognize that I'm out of the house, all else being equal, I wouldn't even do it again this way.
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But I started seeing this man, and I want you to ask him.
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I want you to ask him about his walk with Christ.
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I want you to ask him about his goals, because it's one thing to tell a woman that you like it.
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But I want him to sit down with a man who's older, and I want you to take it.
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I want you to discern, and I want you to help me.
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And so arranged marriages, courting, dating, this whole combination, in a Christian paradigm,
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at least especially in the woman's side of things, the father is involved, I think we would say.
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With arranged, you have all the way to the point where the father is actively, I would say, soliciting interest,
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reaching out and saying i have a daughter who's 21 is there a good man a man who's a hard worker
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a man who loves jesus a man with a good track record a virtuous character uh could i talk to
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him would he be interested that's kind of your range at all the way at this end of the spectrum
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versus dating still ideally a father is involved he's meeting he's assessing he's giving feedback
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to his adult daughter yeah well said i agree so all that being said um i don't know i don't see
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necessarily a wholesale return to arranged marriages, but I do think in a time like ours,
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noticed all the way back in different empires, in the Middle Ages, in Christendom, there was a reason
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for arranged marriages. There was a reason that parents had to do it, fathers to take care of
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their daughter. There was a reason of land. We need to keep this land in the family. There was a reason
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to do it. So when it comes to arranged marriages, I think the biggest impetus, hey, I think I want
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to go down this road. I think it's necessary. There are, you know, five other families in our church.
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I want to take the impetus and I want to do it.
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I think the biggest thing is a justification, a context.
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I'm doing this because my daughter's 24 and 25 and wants to be married and have children.
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I'm doing this because we live in a rural area.
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I need to get out there and I need to make sure she's married by 20.
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I think you can give a little bit of time when younger.
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it's as you get older and same thing for a man a man's maybe 25 he's working hard he's buying land
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uh okay you know pursuing women calling their father talking to them not a biggest deal at 25
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you're 30 35 it's it's time to settle down so same thing on the other side for daughters being a
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little younger for the reasons as we mentioned how old is your daughter what type of context do
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you live in how many eligible people are there around what how would you be best how would you
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best help them to find a spouse and so those are all the considerations that i think of what's the
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reason what's the context why uh what does she want what is she kind of saying she you can tell
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that i'd like to be married all my friends have been married my siblings have been married
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i would very much so like to uh and taking the initiative and saying you know what that sounds
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like a good thing and i'm going to actively put myself out there and say how can i help you in
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this way yep i think that's great so fathers be involved especially fathers of daughters
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um and then in addition to that just like what wesley's saying uh some of the practical things
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that you could be thinking now even if your children are young uh one of the the chief
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decisions you can make today that radically increase the likelihood of your children having
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godly spouses tomorrow is where you live honestly um that's that's one of the big things that i've
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talked to several different couples, um, and you know, and, uh, who have young children and they're
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thinking about the future and thinking about these things, um, telling them like, do you want your
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family to be split up and, and physically geographically separated over the whole face
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of the country? Um, no, great. Neither do I, I would like for our family to stay together. I'd
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like to be able to see my grandchildren one day, more than twice a year. Um, all those kinds of
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things. I'd like to have, you know, an ongoing relationship with my children when they are
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adults. Okay. Well, one thing to help ensure that you can't guarantee it, God might call one of your
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children to be a missionary or something like that. But again, as a general rule, ordinarily,
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if you want to have an active, continual, consistent relationship with your children
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when they're older and therefore with their children, your grandchildren, one of the things
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that you can do that's very practical is while they're young, move to a place, if you don't
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live there already, where your children, when they're adults, will have a future. And what
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that means is a place where there is, as an absolute necessity, at least one godly local
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church that your family can belong to in covenant membership. Ideally though, I'm going to throw this
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out there ideally um you want better odds for your children and spouses and those kinds of things
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um a find an area where there are multiple orthodox biblical faithful local churches that are
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have a conservative you know theological view of the scripture that are going to be like-minded
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in all the things that you view as being uh virtuous and and important so going to a place
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that is highly churched. That is a positive. It's a net positive for your children's
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prospects for future spouses. Also a place that is economically affordable where they can afford
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to live, where there's land that they could purchase or that you can help them purchase,
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where there's also job opportunities because you can move off into the boom docks where there's
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plenty of land uh but there is absolutely nowhere for them to work right so that has to be considered
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so where can i go where there are churches aka meaning christians other christian families as
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many as possible that think like us that have the convictions we have where there's um affordable
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um cost of living or at least more affordable comparatively to other places in the country
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where there's land, where there are jobs, decent paying jobs. You might also be considering,
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you might be convicted with homeschooling. I get that. That's becoming increasingly day by day,
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my own personal conviction. But if you're someone who is considering schooling options,
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you should not be considering a public school. But so then looking, this place doesn't have
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churches also does it have christian schools right so uh churches uh christian schools
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affordable living land that can be purchased and job opportunities um and then looking at a place
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that has those things and even if the whole ship is going down right if america is like the titanic
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uh well what do you do if you're on the titanic and you're a father and you have you know little
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children um do you just you know stay in your room and and just go down with the ship or do you give
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them even though you think it may be hopeless do you still buy your children as much time as you
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possibly can do you take your children in your arms and run them to the top side of the ship
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that's going to go down last giving them every fighting chance that maybe they could get on a
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lifeboat maybe they can live a little bit longer maybe they can survive right that's that's what
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you do so maybe the whole country is going to hell in a handbasket it sure looks that way it feels
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that way um but even if that's the case okay well if the whole country is going to hell in a hand
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basket do i raise my kids in uh manhattan with the muslim socialist mayor um one of the most
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liberal cities in the country uh that's that's going to be go to hell in a handbasket first
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or do i pick somewhere else where you know even if the whole country goes to hell in a handbasket
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it goes there last, right? Like those are the kinds of things that we're talking about. It's
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very practical things. So as a father, especially of daughters, am I going to be involved in helping
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them find a husband? I think the answer should be yes. And then both in the case of sons and
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daughters, am I building a life for myself and my wife and my children where my children will have
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a fighting chance to build a life there too? Or have I selected to live somewhere where I can
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afford to live, but I know that there's a 98% chance that my children won't be able to? And
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so right here at the end, the last kind of example that I'll give is to brag on my father-in-law,
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because I think he did this very, very well. My father-in-law worked hard and was successful.
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And because of his hard work and success and giftings and all those kinds of things,
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And of course, the grace and providence of God, he got to a place where he was able to make not just survive, but make a good living well above his needs.
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He was living below his means, well below his means, saving money, stewarding money, investing money, all those kinds of things.
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And he was able to do that in the larger San Diego area of California.
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When his children were older and married husbands and began to have children of their own,
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he was able to quickly detect my sons-in-law, he had daughters.
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So the men who married my daughters, it's not just because they're being lazy or because
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of some moral deficiency, but my sons-in-law are not going to be able to provide for my
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daughters in the way that I was, not even close.
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And so even though he was financially fine, he could have lived and retired and died in sunny Southern California by the beach with, you know, great weather every single day.
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But he knew that his daughters and grandchildren would not be able to.
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And instead of just sitting there and waving goodbye as they move to fly over country, many such cases, many people, you know, leaving California, leaving New York, leaving these places to go to the middle of the country where maybe it's a little bit less desirable in terms of the weather, you know, or the view.
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You don't necessarily get to live on the coast, but it's affordable.
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And instead of just sitting in California and waving goodbye to his daughters and to
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He saw the writing on the wall, saw that it was going to be virtually impossible for his
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children and grandchildren to have the life that he did.
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And so he was the one who initiated and said, hey, guys, why don't we all just pack up and
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and he moved the whole family to texas and helped them to settle and to be able to get houses that
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they could afford and jobs that would cover the bills and that was i think an incredibly godly
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righteous thing to do and it was a very practical thing he didn't arrange marriages for his
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daughters and he's not currently working to arrange marriage marriages for his grandchildren
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but he did one key thing he just geographically economically practically positioned his children
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and grandchildren in a place that would buy them time yeah it made all the difference in the world
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an incredibly loving and godly decision that that all of his children and sons-in-law me being one
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of them and the grandchildren for decades will be able to remember, recognize, and as the Proverbs
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say, rise up and call him blessed. And he deserves it. And so even something like that is like, well,
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we've got our one local church that hasn't bowed the knee to the spirit of the age. Okay, great.
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How many people are in that church? Well, there are, it's 50 people strong, including kids,
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right? And what are the other churches that have the caliber of conviction and resolve like your
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church does? Well, there are none within a hundred mile radius. Okay. And then what's the cost of
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living, you know, in your California town where there's only one faithful local church within a
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hundred mile. Okay, great. All right. And then what's the, you know, what's the school options?
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Okay, great. What's the job options? Okay, great. The cost of living is this. Okay. So by you
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remaining there, you have virtually decided that your children will either be compromised
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or leave. They will either have to compromise to stay near you so that you actually have
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an active relationship in your grandchildren's lives one day. They'll have to stay and compromise
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and raise your grandchildren to be heathens. Or they'll have to not compromise and leave
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and you'll have to go get on a plane twice a year and barely see your kids and grandkids.
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or here's an idea you could just get over the weather like i understand the weather is nice
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but you're talking about the souls of your own posterity your own future generations i mean guys
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like when are we just going to call it what it is um you have a choice between low humidity
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or the salvation of your grandchildren and we have christians older christians
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continually making excuses when if they were honest they would just come out and say it
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we care more about the weather than the souls of our grandchildren because that's what it is
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we should probably stop doing that stop doing that so anyways i think that's just one right
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there at the end practical way to live your kids love your kids is to determine with wisdom where
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you're going to live and what future prospects that makes available for them economically,
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academically, and certainly in the realm of who they will marry.
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And on that note of location, I think my ideal, as I think about my children,
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ideally they would marry families we've known for a while. One of the best ways I'm going to
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be able to assess, for example, a potential suitor for my daughter is I know what his dad
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is like. I know what his family's like because I've gone to church with them for 20 years. I have
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that assurance. I know the family. But if you raised your children somewhere like you're
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describing, you don't have that, and you're 18, you're like, you know what? I see it now.
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I see it clearly. You're right. We should do that. The ship has sailed. You don't get those
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years back. That huge avenue, like that is one of the, honestly, probably the biggest way,
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at least in the time past, that people met their spouse was they were childhood friends. They knew
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each other's family. They lived on the same street. They went to the same church. Growing up,
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they have this familiarity that quickly blossoms to romantic love as they got older that is a huge
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way that people meet one another online dating sucks online dating i have this full of terrible
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people i have a daughter i'm looking toward her future husband do i know his dad oh my goodness
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wait i do that's crusader pepe he's been christ posting and owning the lives for 20 years are you
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kidding me yep that's oh there you go arranged marriage maybe not quite but um but the point is
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you don't get those years back and you will by choosing to live somewhere like you described
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not around a lot of christian community not around people that your children can marry
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and they turn 18 you have lost that avenue right there is not getting it back we can and should
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repent and you can repent of where god i'm sorry that i prioritize the weather that i prioritize
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this job that it didn't make the christian church the community of saints a big deal right but you
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don't get those years back and your children and now having to find a spouse some other way even
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if you're still involved it is going to be a lot harder yep that is a fact that is just the reality
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of nature statistics are and you can't get over it they're going to marry um a worse spouse it or
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the very least is going to be harder it's going to take longer they're going to know less about
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them there's going to be more surprises in marriage i mean women all the time on dating
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apps they marry a terrible guy because their dad's not involved right they didn't grow up with them
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oh turns out uh he beats women but i found that out after i married him right and that's terrible
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but boy how could this have been avoided let me think let me think oh uh she could have been
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surrounded by christian men that were eligible for marriage in a church for the last 20 years
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instead of nobody right right right right okay um so it is now uh wednesday and we have thanksgiving
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tomorrow, which we're very excited about. I hope that you all have a wonderful Thanksgiving,
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honoring the Lord and celebrating with you and yours. And then Friday, the day after Thanksgiving,
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because we broadcast on three times a week, Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, because it's the
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Friday right after Thanksgiving, we're going to go ahead and take that off for ourselves to spend
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time with our families and for you as well, to not just be glued to a screen, but spend time with
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your spouse with your kids in-laws and outlaws so we will see you guys lord willing on monday
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