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00:02:24.960 uh thanks for the super chat said thoughts on congregational model versus elder rule so this

00:02:29.260 would be in the church the congregation making decisions versus the elders ruling go ahead what

00:02:33.880 i don't know do you you want to go first on this one i've got so many thoughts i feel like by the

00:02:38.040 time i start and then there'll be nothing left for you to say you want to go first i would just

00:02:41.980 say I've evolved on this very early on. It was very much for a congregational rule and for all

00:02:46.940 the reasons that I think are true. Peter talks about the priest of all believers. Every believer

00:02:51.640 has an equal standing before God. It's not like, well, you know, I'm a believer that's really smart,

00:02:56.220 so I actually, you know, I'm better and I have a better salvation. And so it can be very easy and

00:03:00.760 it sounds nice. Well, the congregation rules and the body of Christ makes the choice. But the thing

00:03:05.600 that sealed the deal for me as I thought about it, I'm like, well, here's the deal. There's guys,

00:03:10.020 they're the most biblically qualified,

00:03:12.220 they're the most mature, hopefully,

00:03:13.540 if they're the elders in the church.

00:03:15.040 This is their job if they're not bivocational.

00:03:17.580 If they are bivocational, they're paying some money.

00:03:19.920 But theoretically, this is their job.

00:03:21.400 They're the most mature.

00:03:22.260 They are the most biblically faithful.

00:03:24.200 Those seem to be the men I would want to trust

00:03:26.340 to make the decision.

00:03:27.600 And even I can recognize and say,

00:03:28.920 hey, they might make a decision that I disagree with

00:03:31.160 or that kind of implies maybe

00:03:33.620 that I'm not the most biblically mature in the church.

00:03:36.040 But for the health of the church,

00:03:37.500 would you not want the most qualified men

00:03:39.860 generally speaking 80 90 percent of decisions saying we're not going to go ahead and open it

00:03:45.000 up for everyone uh we're going to go ahead and make the decision uh because you've trusted us

00:03:49.620 every member of the church has gone in and said i trust the elders of this church to shepherd me and

00:03:54.260 my family so if you don't trust them then you shouldn't be going to the church in general

00:03:57.960 but if you do trust them uh i don't feel like elder rule is a bad thing at all right yeah no i agree

00:04:03.780 yeah if you don't trust your elders then um then you should make sure that the church is

00:04:08.000 congregational. No, you should find another church. If you don't trust the pastors of the church,

00:04:12.300 either you're wrong or they're wrong, but in either case, you shouldn't be there, right? So

00:04:16.000 they're solid guys and you just have trust issues. Well, you're going to be a pain. You're going to 0.87

00:04:20.940 be a liability or they're not actually solid guys. Your discernment is on point. In which case,

00:04:25.760 why would you go to a church that doesn't have solid elders? So yeah, the solution is to find

00:04:30.640 another church where you do trust the leadership. I think hierarchy is just inescapable. It's just

00:04:35.020 the way that God built the world. And, and I've realized over time, you know, same as Wes, I've

00:04:40.500 kind of evolved on this issue as well. I've just realized over time that a lot of our theology is

00:04:47.500 kind of, it's, it's eisegesis. You know, you kind of, you impose on the text of scripture,

00:04:53.860 your modernity, your democracy, your Western American kind of mentality. And I don't know

00:05:01.240 if that's really in the text. The best text that I could think of, you know, that would advocate,

00:05:05.760 I'll give a couple, you know, playing the devil's advocate, steel manning the congregational

00:05:10.340 position. One would be Matthew 18, right? So, you know, if your brother sins against you,

00:05:15.820 go to your brother, just you and him alone. If he listens to you, then you've won your brother over.

00:05:20.760 If he does not listen, then bring along with you one or two others so that the testimony may be

00:05:25.140 established in the presence of two or three witnesses. If he does not listen to them,

00:05:29.640 then tell it to the church and if he does not listen to the church then treat him as a tax 0.93

00:05:36.280 collector or a gentile so that final step along the way heading towards excommunication god forbid

00:05:43.220 when it's necessary nobody likes it but sometimes it has to be done the final stop along the way

00:05:48.700 is eventually it elevates to the church and i don't think that you can just read in you know

00:05:52.860 church leaders i think the church means church and so i think it's actually the ecclesia the

00:05:58.880 gathering, the congregation that you're telling the matter to. And the big thing here is you're

00:06:04.840 not just informing, right? So if you're looking at the text plainly, you're not just informing the

00:06:09.900 church of a decision that's already been rendered by the leadership, but you're actually telling

00:06:15.800 the church, not the decision, you're telling the church the matter, right? Not telling them the

00:06:21.260 decision, but the matter. Tell it to the church and, right, this is how we can come to this

00:06:26.280 conclusion, that you're telling the church the matter rather than just relaying to the church

00:06:30.320 a decision to excommunicate that's already been made. You're telling the church the matter. And

00:06:34.380 the reason why we know that that's what the text is getting at is because it continues by saying,

00:06:39.040 tell it to the church. And if he does not listen to the church, then treat him as a tax collector

00:06:44.860 and a Gentile, which means in the same way that the two or three are not excommunicating, 0.80

00:06:50.660 right this kind of fiat decision um in the second step right bring one or two along with you and 0.60

00:06:57.140 the same way that you can't go rogue as an individual the first time that you're confronting

00:07:01.680 someone and i have declared from on high by fiat decision you are excommunicated from the church

00:07:07.920 um no you can't you can't do that you go uh privately just you and the individual and the

00:07:13.800 hope is you're not you're not telling the individual hey you're out you're excommunicated

00:07:17.260 You're telling them the offense and seeing if they might come to reason, if they might be

00:07:23.160 repentant. And if they're not, then you're bringing one or two others along with you to

00:07:27.440 weigh, right? Because you might have taken up a wrong offense. You might actually be in the wrong.

00:07:32.460 And so the one or two are coming in as witnesses to hear out the defense, hear out the offense,

00:07:39.760 and then hear out the defense of the individual that you're accusing to weigh that. And the

00:07:46.340 assumption is if uh that person really is in the wrong the one who gave the initial offense uh well

00:07:53.300 now uh you've corrected you've confronted this individual twice and he has continued to not be

00:07:59.040 repentant and so now you're telling it to the church and in telling the church it seems like

00:08:03.220 what you're doing is you're commissioning the church to then pursue that individual through

00:08:08.140 prayer uh through corporate confrontation um you're you're commissioning the church not yet

00:08:15.240 to excommunicate, but to, for some allotted period of time, to pursue the individual and

00:08:21.060 pray for the individual that they might be won over, that they might come to repentance. And

00:08:25.740 after a period of time, an appropriate period of time has passed, if the individual remains 0.89

00:08:31.060 impenitent, then he is handed over, treated as a tax collector and a Gentile. So my point is 0.95

00:08:36.540 that process, Matthew 18, church discipline, it very clearly involves the church. And so that's

00:08:44.320 one that's that's difficult for me um also you know i think of that pairing with the old testament

00:08:49.380 the congregation of israel uh wandering in the wilderness and the law of moses that's given at

00:08:55.340 that time um when it came to corporal punishment it was a corporate event it was communal um your

00:09:03.880 eye shall not pity and you're going to stone him together we even took basic principles like in our

00:09:10.300 case law system and penalties that we applied from, you know, Deuteronomy, from Leviticus,

00:09:15.880 from Numbers. And one of the things that, you know, that we would do hanging for capital

00:09:21.060 punishment was common in Western civilization, but also firing squads. And one of the purposes

00:09:25.960 of a firing squad is so that no one individual bears the full guilt on their conscience for

00:09:32.220 ending the life of another man, right? So you have whatever it is, 10 guys, 20 guys lined up,

00:09:37.180 rifles pointed at the individual, and they all shoot, and nobody really knows exactly who killed

00:09:42.480 him. Nobody knows, I'm the one who put him to death. Well, stoning was similar in the Old

00:09:47.980 Testament. You're all grabbing a stone, and nobody can really say for sure, this guy killed him.

00:09:53.920 It's this corporate communal act that nobody really wants to do, but they know that justice

00:09:59.240 must be served, and so they're carrying it out. And when we get to the New Testament,

00:10:03.160 and speaking covenantally, it seems as though excommunication functions along that same

00:10:08.660 principle. It's not a physical punishment, but it is a spiritual but still corporate

00:10:15.260 handing over. The church is handing this man over. You can also look at 1 Corinthians chapter 5,

00:10:22.120 would be another example. Expel or purge the immoral man from among you. Paul is commissioning

00:10:29.180 the church. He's not just writing to the leaders, but he's speaking to the whole congregation

00:10:32.860 there at Corinth. Another example would be Acts chapter 6, right? When it comes to the installing,

00:10:40.220 ordaining of deacons, seven men filled with the Holy Spirit there at the church in Jerusalem.

00:10:45.840 It seems as though you have, you know, the elders of the church of Jerusalem who are commissioning,

00:10:52.960 not just leaders, but they're actually commissioning the whole congregation. They're

00:10:56.500 saying you bring us men of this caliber um how many of them seven um what what kind of men filled

00:11:05.220 with the holy spirit and endowed with wisdom um you know for what task right that my point is it's

00:11:11.540 the elders it's the leadership that sets um the number of men seven the timing of when they're

00:11:18.420 called forth we need them now not six months ago not six months from so they that the elders the

00:11:23.380 leadership gets to determine how many men do we need? When do we need the men? What kind of men

00:11:28.720 do we need, right? The criteria, qualifications for these men, and for what purpose are these men

00:11:34.440 going to be installed? None of that's congregational, right? The church of Jerusalem

00:11:39.700 is not determining, they don't go to the elders and say, elders, you find us seven men of this

00:11:46.600 caliber for this task at this time. No, it's the other way around, completely the opposite. So it's

00:11:52.640 the leadership of the church that determines we need deacons, right? This is kind of the origin

00:11:57.940 of the deaconate. So we need deacons. This is when we need them. This is what they should be

00:12:03.120 like. This is how many we need them, how many of them we need. And this is the task, the purpose

00:12:09.700 for which we need them. All that's determined by the leadership. It's the congregation

00:12:14.560 that simply is sifting through. And here's the deal. It's not explicit, but I think this is

00:12:19.700 a necessary or at least plausible inference from the text. It's certainly implicit. What do you

00:12:25.920 think the elders of Jerusalem would have done if the congregation of the church there brought to 1.00

00:12:31.480 them seven men who were filled with stupidity? All right, seven dweebs, seven losers, seven 1.00

00:12:39.320 licentious men. Do you think they would have said, well, we've got to honor the congregation, 0.99

00:12:45.180 priest of all believers? Or do you think they would have just looked and said, try again?

00:12:49.700 yeah try again um so this idea of um our sacred democracy

00:12:55.740 kind of from an american political context read in eisegesis into the biblical text as though it's

00:13:05.040 like infallible gospel truth and that the text can't be read any other way without minimizing

00:13:12.120 the priesthood of all believers the priesthood of all believers guys i mean that's a that's a

00:13:16.260 Protestant view. Presbyterians hold that. Episcopalians hold that. Anglicans hold that.

00:13:20.520 The priesthood of all believers is the idea that you can go to the Father through Christ, right?

00:13:25.560 There's one God and one mediator between man and God, the God, man, Christ, Jesus. The priesthood

00:13:30.660 of all believers is the idea that you don't need to be absolved of your sins by a human mediator.

00:13:37.980 but to say that the priesthood of all believers necessitates, it mandates ecclesiastical polity

00:13:46.220 and authority for making decisions in the church is maybe, but to just say that emphatically as

00:13:53.180 though it's obvious, I think that that's a bit of a stretch. So those would be the texts that

00:13:59.700 have been used to point towards congregationalism. There are others, but those are some of the big

00:14:04.760 ones. But then I guess some of the pushback, we could look at other texts, but I've already run

00:14:10.560 long on this answer. But the biggest pushback I would give is just from nature itself. The world

00:14:17.320 that God made is a hierarchical world. It's not an egalitarian world. There's structure, there's

00:14:24.460 order, there's leadership, there's followers, there's authority. And so I think that if you do

00:14:31.260 have any aspect of congregational polity in your church which our church does um i think it needs

00:14:38.700 to be really few and far between it needs to be mitigated by strong elders it does not need to be

00:14:45.920 congregational votes on the carpet right right it does not need to be congregational votes on this

00:14:50.940 that and the other um it needs to be sparing and and if i was if i was to hold on to just one kind

00:14:58.160 of my Baptist polity hangover kind of, I can't let go of one. The one that I would probably hold

00:15:04.080 on to more than ordaining officers of the church, both elders and deacons, as significant as that

00:15:09.980 is, certainly more than the budget, right? I can see the prudence in that, but there's no verse in

00:15:15.660 the Bible that says the congregation gets to determine the budget. There's things that you

00:15:19.780 can do, but in terms of if there's anything in the Bible that maybe you must do congregationally,

00:15:27.240 i think it would be exclusively excommunication i think that's the one that i even as much as

00:15:34.820 you know i'm like uh i think i'm a hierarchy guy like get this democracy out of my face it ruined

00:15:40.720 my country i'd like for it not to ruin my church um as much as i am leaning towards that these days

00:15:46.860 um the one piece that i still kind of hold on to is man matthew 18 tell it to the church um i i do

00:15:56.100 really struggle for that to be a fiat decision from exclusively from the elders on high where

00:16:03.620 the congregation has no say in it. So if there's anything that you're like, well, surely there's

00:16:08.440 some congregational piece. If there's anything at all, I think I would say it's Matthew 18,

00:16:14.020 it's excommunication. And I would draw that even to the old Testament has already had

00:16:18.260 this communal aspect of corporal punishment, be it stoning or whatever. I think that both from the

00:16:24.640 old to the new. You can find that communal corporate principle concept when it comes to

00:16:32.240 we're handing this man over, whether it's in a justice system with capital punishment,

00:16:37.260 or whether it's in the spiritual ecclesiastical system, handing his soul over to Satan that he

00:16:42.260 might be taught not to blaspheme. I think if there's anything that's congregational, it's that.

00:16:47.680 everything else though um if elders appoint other elders you might not like it but to say that's just

00:16:55.760 clearly unbiblical and sin that's a hard case to make if the elders determine the budget for the

00:17:02.520 church and you don't like it um you may not like it but that's it's a hard case to say this is sin

00:17:09.080 it's blatantly wrong there's my answer let's keep going king jord sent five dollars she just said

00:17:13.780 Here's $5 more.

00:17:14.720 That answer was worth way more than $2.

00:17:16.900 I'm in an elder rule church, and I think this is the way to go.

00:17:19.500 Yeah.

00:17:20.520 It's like if you don't like elder rule, you probably just don't like your elders.

00:17:25.140 And if you don't like your elders, either you need to change or you need to leave.

00:17:29.960 Yep.

00:17:30.800 TJ Lucasson sent $5.

00:17:33.600 Thanks, DJ.

00:17:34.560 Related.

00:17:35.100 So related to this question about congregational versus elder rule. 0.91

00:17:37.780 If a church does hold to a congregational model, should the women be permitted to vote

00:17:41.920 on none some all matters of church life and i would offer on church discipline for example 0.84

00:17:47.840 men are charged in society with administering violence so you think about the firing squad

00:17:51.960 that's not well we need equality here right 50 50 men and women make up firing squad good point

00:17:55.960 when you hand someone over to satan that is an act of violence the spiritual sword the word of god

00:18:02.360 casts them out to be handed over for the destruction of their body and so i can just say

00:18:07.100 for myself i i would say no yeah men do that type of voting i agree so um a lot of baptist churches 0.96

00:18:13.320 you know and that's where it gets you know i i think a little bit retarded when it's like okay 0.86

00:18:19.080 well every baptist you know baptized believer right because with you know credo baptism and 0.85

00:18:23.780 in a baptist polity it's every baptized believer because if your whole impetus in in your defense

00:18:29.460 of congregationalism is the priesthood of all believers by not just adult believers but any

00:18:34.920 believer well then it comes down to like okay well who's all been baptized it's like well little

00:18:40.420 Susie she's you know she's seven years old and that's where you know then you start getting weird

00:18:44.480 and like you got your Mark Devers you know it's like when Mark Devers isn't pushing you know

00:18:48.180 liberal politics you know when he's you know shifts gears for a second he's like hey I've been

00:18:52.480 really focusing on ruining the country you know culturally and politically but I'm going to take

00:18:56.180 a you know a little fiesta and talk about church polity for a second well that's where like Mars

00:19:00.560 you know not mars hill but what's the name of um capital hill baptist that's where they would

00:19:05.980 make the argument for like well then that's why you don't baptize anybody until they're 18 years

00:19:10.220 or older but that's like that's crazy like like the holy so the holy spirit doesn't like that

00:19:17.280 may be your policy is that god's policy does the holy spirit not ever regenerate any person before

00:19:23.760 18 years of age and and if he does save people from their youth i'm thinking of david you know

00:19:29.880 like it's like from my mother's breast did i trust you like if the holy spirit does save people at

00:19:35.420 times young then you're withholding the sacrament of baptism and the lord's supper from an individual

00:19:42.380 potentially for a decade i mean think about that like god saves someone at eight and it's like i'm

00:19:47.960 sorry uh you love the lord you've been born again um and uh these signs and seals of the new covenant

00:19:54.940 we will withhold them from you without any biblical merit whatsoever for a decade

00:20:01.960 strictly arbitrarily just based on your age and when you get to it's like well why a big reason

00:20:08.860 it's the fine print they don't always say it out loud but a big reason is because we don't want

00:20:13.360 eight-year-olds voting and so it's like okay well then you have two choices one is you can withhold

00:20:19.680 the sacraments that is their right by virtue of being born again by the blood of christ

00:20:25.900 all right and you've opted for that that's not not a great choice the other solution would be 0.98

00:20:30.760 why don't you just stop all the the gay democracy voting why don't you just stop being egalitarians 0.97

00:20:36.460 right why don't you just you know like you could just do that um so all that being said if there 0.98

00:20:41.540 is a vote on anything i personally think it would be excommunication congregational vote

00:20:46.220 and with that um i i think it's perfectly permissible um and and prudent and i think

00:20:52.940 we could make a biblical argument uh that that should be a head of household male vote and and

00:20:58.960 then with that i i'll add one caveat one more caveat i don't like all right so like um i believe

00:21:07.400 you know don't quote me on this because if i'm wrong then i'll just immediately retract it because

00:21:11.000 i'm not i'm not going to dig my heels in the sand and um and unnecessarily slander someone all right

00:21:16.600 but i believe um christ church in moscow idaho doug wilson's church um there i know their head

00:21:22.860 of household when it comes to voting uh but i believe that they will count a single woman if

00:21:28.220 her parents aren't a part of the church so let's say she moved there her parents live you know

00:21:32.240 whatever in kansas and she's been there and she becomes a member uh but she's not yet married

00:21:36.900 that she would count as the head of her own household i believe that's the policy if i'm

00:21:42.100 wrong about that then i apologize uh but i know there are some churches out there that do that

00:21:46.700 and i i'm just trying to name one that's notable that people would think of and uh this is what i

00:21:51.880 don't like i don't like the idea of a 55 year old man blue collar has been loving and serving the

00:22:00.480 lord for 40 years he builds houses he provides for his family he has an adoring wife and eight

00:22:08.240 children and a 22 year old single woman um can make his vote a wash by saying i don't like it

00:22:19.720 icky um those two households right uh not all households are equal turns out i guess is what

00:22:27.800 i'm saying right well every household is nope no not all households are equal so you know for us

00:22:33.680 with a few things that we do vote on we function like so functionally it is a household vote

00:22:40.480 however we weight the households effectively we weight them in terms of fruitfulness meaning

00:22:51.160 every baptized member of that particular household bolsters that head of household father is his

00:22:59.620 vote so if we have a household with eight children all eight of them are baptized and then you've got

00:23:03.920 the husband the wife uh then then that household gets 10 votes um and so that's that's one thing

00:23:10.740 that uh that we've done but again a lot of that is kind of and i'm willing to admit this you can

00:23:16.840 make fun of me that's fine i'm trying to be honest with you and be humble about it um but a lot of

00:23:22.000 that is just kind of my my baptist hangover um and i'm not necessarily convinced it's right if

00:23:28.260 there's anything that i feel most convicted of it would be congregational vote on one issue only

00:23:33.160 namely excommunication and in that still in that a household vote and some system i don't know

00:23:40.480 exactly how to do it so i'm not going to hang you know bet bet the house on this but i i just i have

00:23:46.620 this sense this sixth sense that that household vote um somehow needs to be weighted you know 0.99

00:23:54.160 number one i would just say you know the 22 year old woman is not the head of her household

00:23:58.360 her father is still head of her household and the fact that she lives 1200 miles away from him

00:24:03.080 is just the fact that our country is cooked and that we no longer value households but i don't

00:24:08.320 think we need to say well she gets a vote um because our country is wrecked and now we have 0.95

00:24:13.040 you know 22 year old women we gotta keep it going pay it forward exactly we don't have to do that so

00:24:18.240 at minimum i would just say yeah the single woman is not uh doesn't get a household vote because 1.00

00:24:23.540 she's a part of her father's household and her father lives somewhere else and goes to another 0.75

00:24:27.500 church so uh she can attend the church and um you know and be faithful in many ways and be loved by

00:24:33.020 the church served by the church but no she's not a household so then it just comes down to the male

00:24:36.580 vote heads of households um but even then i think like the 23 year old guy who just got married

00:24:42.960 last week god bless him he is ahead of a household i don't know if his vote should carry the same

00:24:48.900 weight uh to you know mr johnson who again is 55 and has eight baptized children so i don't know

00:24:55.960 that's where i'm at all right next all right a two dollar super chat from can we scroll up a little

00:25:01.060 bit okay i'll get to that one a second jha3 where are the baptist isker land communities so this is

00:25:06.940 a reference to ridge runner out in tennessee the baptist versions do not exist um i will say there

00:25:11.600 a lot of baptists at ridge runner i think josh abattoi one of the managing directors he's a

00:25:15.400 baptist i know good baptist brothers that are there so uh baptists are in isker's land community

00:25:21.380 well closer uh closest would be actually be uh just to give him a shout out he's a great guy

00:25:26.760 uh jeff wright okay so jeff wright is uh he's not there he's not a part of that project and

00:25:33.000 that development so he's not on the ground but i believe his church is i think he's like 20 30

00:25:37.540 minutes yeah it's like 20 30 minutes away so i think that's kind of been like you know they have

00:25:41.820 big vision in the future they probably would plant a baptist church and all those kinds of things for

00:25:46.220 now um it's it's presbyterian uh andrew risker i think has considered the crec and considered some

00:25:52.380 other things so right now they're independent but they are presbyterian cj angles you know

00:25:57.360 probably in his ear you know anglican anglican um but uh they are presbyterian and uh and and

00:26:05.120 still i think you know determining who to formally affiliate with in the future i'm sure there'll be

00:26:10.380 a baptist church there in the town on the ground but for now i'm pretty sure josh abattoi and others

00:26:16.400 have said this and isker said this that um you know the interim solution for the baptists if

00:26:21.240 they just can't go they should if you're baptist you should go to isker's church but if you just

00:26:25.280 can't but you want to live there and be a part of the project in tennessee then drive for 25 30

00:26:30.860 minutes and go to jeff wright's church because jeff is great and there are like i said other

00:26:35.000 baptists that attend isker's church i know of them great guys logan sent a 50 super chance

00:26:40.740 super generous super kind logan thank you so much he said this i'm a 23 year old male looking to go

00:26:46.300 into seminary and want to know if you guys have any particular seminaries you would recommend a

00:26:50.480 gbts or southwestern we had someone who asked something very similar i think you gave a very

00:26:55.160 good answer for one just do you need to go to seminary and there are good reasons and one of

00:26:59.280 them being the credentials credentialism it like it is worthwhile it's real i wish it wasn't but it

00:27:05.480 is and honestly i say i wish it wasn't we need that right like i i can't go on web md and pretend

00:27:13.720 to be a doctor every time i'm sick uh just because all you know the medical institutions

00:27:20.680 have discredited themselves and proven to be a bunch of liars back in 2020 with covet right like

00:27:25.540 The fact that we are currently in a moment where we basically,

00:27:29.540 we have some experts, but we don't trust any of them. 0.98

00:27:33.680 That's not a W.

00:27:35.340 That's not a win.

00:27:36.580 A society our size, 330 million people,

00:27:40.680 with basically no credible institutions and no experts that can be relied on

00:27:45.900 to where everybody has to be proficient in everything.

00:27:49.340 So I've got to learn how to make my own shoes,

00:27:51.920 and I've got to learn how to sew,

00:27:52.940 and I got to, you know, homestead and grow all my own food because I don't trust the grocery

00:27:56.840 stores. Cause I watched, you know, a clip by Ian Carroll, you know, telling me all the different

00:28:00.960 chemicals inside of them, you know, and there's crop dusting. So I got like, I got to build a

00:28:04.800 glass dome above my land, you know, to protect me. Like I, that is not a good thing. And I'm not

00:28:10.440 just for the record, I'm not saying like you're conspiratorial and making fun of you. I would be

00:28:15.200 kind of on the side of the conspiracy, conspiracist. Um, I do, I mean, there are some massive problems,

00:28:21.100 But at the end of the day, a functioning, healthy society has experts, it has institutions,

00:28:30.040 and therefore, we're not there right now because the whole system is broken.

00:28:34.560 But one day, I can take it to the bank.

00:28:37.260 I can promise you, we're not going to enter a prolonged, maybe temporary, but we're not

00:28:41.920 going to enter into a millennium of just every man for himself, and we don't have any leaders,

00:28:49.480 and we don't have hierarchy and we don't have institutions

00:28:51.380 and we don't have experts.

00:28:53.040 That just, the human race would be dead by that time.

00:28:56.080 So we're in an interim period

00:28:58.420 where the previous institutions have discredited themselves,

00:29:02.920 but new ones will, they'll either be reformed

00:29:05.740 or new ones will come up in their place.

00:29:08.360 One of those things will happen.

00:29:09.680 It will happen relatively quickly.

00:29:11.800 It may take a decade, it may take two,

00:29:14.240 but it's going to happen relatively quickly.

00:29:16.280 It's not going to be centuries.

00:29:17.600 and when it happens guess what just like credentials mattered before credentials will

00:29:24.620 matter again because they always have they always have and so no matter how gifted you are how

00:29:30.580 talented how much charisma this that and the other um you're not going to be charlie kirk

00:29:35.580 charlie kirk is a rare example of the guy who didn't go to college and was just super gifted

00:29:41.420 and um and did some great things uh but for every charlie kirk there's like a million other guys

00:29:48.520 who are gifted but didn't have credentials and you'll never know their name because they didn't

00:29:52.780 make it big they weren't successful uh you you can look at at um look at the lay of the land

00:29:58.260 look at the people movers and shakers the guy's actually influencing society and you will find

00:30:03.260 90 of the time the common denominator is oh this guy who's he's not constantly pointing it out he's

00:30:10.300 not bragging about it he's not talking about it it's like it's just it really is his mind it's

00:30:15.300 his ideas it's his charisma it's his giftings oh but you know uh it turns out he went to an ivy

00:30:22.540 league school oh and this other guy who i really like his mind and his his ideas and his charisma

00:30:27.960 and like and he just happened coincidentally also to go to an ivy league school and this other guy

00:30:32.720 like and then what you start to you know we're in the noticing business here with right response

00:30:37.160 ministries, one of the patterns you start to notice is maybe it's not a coincidence. Maybe

00:30:42.320 that Ivy League school, even if it's for a degree and you end up going in a whole other direction

00:30:49.120 in a different field, that just the status of being able to check that box, maybe that is,

00:30:55.540 even if people don't say it out loud, still in our society today, an unspoken prerequisite

00:31:01.360 for a certain degree of ascendancy and influence.

00:31:05.740 And the reality is, yeah, that's how it works.

00:31:08.580 Yep.

00:31:09.000 And so to give some specific names, they asked,

00:31:11.100 GBTS, that's Grace Bible Theological Seminary out in Arizona.

00:31:15.580 Southwestern, that's a Southern Baptist.

00:31:17.080 I would say to either of those.

00:31:19.300 Greenville Presbyterian Theological Seminary.

00:31:22.800 I've got Baptist friends who have gone.

00:31:24.820 They've said really good things.

00:31:25.900 It's going to have some women there. 1.00

00:31:26.880 They can't take the theological studies to the pastoral track. 1.00

00:31:30.620 so they're going to have women there they just they're not going to be programs that are

00:31:33.440 completely aligned westminster east you're going to get a good theological education

00:31:37.880 and when it comes to credentials having westminster on your resume having greenville

00:31:41.860 presbyterian on your resume like it's good so are you talking about philadelphia like john

00:31:46.100 talking about philadelphia not westminster west don't yeah don't do westminster don't do escondido

00:31:50.420 but keep your head down don't don't like you're not there to be a culture warrior if you really

00:31:54.720 want to learn you're like i want to be a theologian just as a career or the pastor theologian

00:32:00.500 go there and get a good education but just recognize they're not going to be talking

00:32:04.400 about patriarchy the way that we in ogden do you're there to learn greek you're there to read

00:32:08.880 old theologians not in ogden us ogden we talk about oh i thought you said we in ogden we and

00:32:16.360 ogden no you're absolutely right and and so with that like my point combined with i think what

00:32:20.060 you're saying wes is yes part of it is the education you will be challenged there are

00:32:25.020 certain things you'll have to like just utterly reject and do it with your head down hide your

00:32:30.080 power levels and go along to get along don't get kicked out um so there's some things you'll have

00:32:35.660 to quietly respectfully reject but there's a lot of things that you will um learn that are

00:32:40.960 objectively true and good so there's the the literal education piece but what i'm saying is

00:32:46.440 even beyond that uh there's also just the status piece um so like there is it's like it's it's i

00:32:55.000 it's it's it's frustrating you know like because it's like well you went to this school and like

00:33:00.740 okay tell me how you really feel about it well what i really feel about it is that this institution

00:33:04.840 it's really sad they're completely compromised they're not holding to this or holding to that

00:33:08.660 and it's like uh then why did you go well the only reason you're listening to me right now give this

00:33:13.820 particular talk on why this school is like is because i have it on my resume like that's that's

00:33:19.540 just the way of the world so all that back to the question i think a lot of it depends honestly it

00:33:24.360 depends on what do you feel called to do like what what what is the vocation that you feel like god

00:33:31.340 has placed in your heart um because you know there's a lot of things that you can do you can

00:33:35.900 do successfully you can do um joyfully you can you know like you can do well that don't require

00:33:42.980 credentials you know like like high level credentials but if you feel called to be you

00:33:49.840 know uh functioning at a at a high capacity and you know leader of men and you know these kinds

00:33:56.460 of things and shaping you know future direction and thought and you'll be a part of a think tank

00:34:00.840 or whatever something you know um run for office like uh then then yeah that that four years or

00:34:08.340 seven years whatever it ends up being of having to put down your head and hide your power levels

00:34:13.420 and be annoyed you know pretty much every day for uh you know for a few years of your life

00:34:19.240 will be worth it because um that credential will function as a prerequisite that opens certain

00:34:26.000 doors that other guys without it will not be able to walk through i haven't mentioned it in a while

00:34:30.160 but i went to columbia i went to an ivy league one of my first writing classes i remember was

00:34:34.260 a freudian analysis of a gay man describing the melancholy of losing the innocence before hiv

00:34:40.260 and they could be promiscuous without limit like in my one of my first writing classes i'm a 0.56

00:34:44.800 christian i'm all of these things and i'm having to write a paper on that but going to columbia

00:34:49.220 graduating from there gave me access and opened every door that opened in my life since then

00:34:53.920 kept my head down i did the class i passed it and uh it was so worth it so if that's what you

00:34:59.700 really want to do that's what god has really called you to do uh go somewhere and get a good

00:35:03.780 school on your resume yep let's hit our first commercial break and we'll be back to answer

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00:39:02.800 All right.

00:39:06.180 Wes, you take it.

00:39:07.600 You gave it to me for that pronunciation that I've got to do.

00:39:10.220 Chosy.

00:39:11.460 Chosy.

00:39:12.280 It's Chosy Ayob. 0.84

00:39:16.000 First response would be this.

00:39:18.320 Yes, yes, yes.

00:39:18.980 chosie are you um but please sir pray tell me what is your christian name well he says this he

00:39:24.380 says i'm a palestinian christian he sent five dollars thank you chosie palestinian christian 0.75

00:39:28.720 praise god uh living in the u.s okay you made it uh how can we destroy zionism before it destroys 0.64

00:39:34.120 the world would love to be on your podcast or vice versa cool uh nate do me a favor real quick uh 0.84

00:39:41.160 check out chosie uh look him up on youtube does he have a podcast what does he do does he have a

00:39:48.720 following those kinds of things look them up you'll have about two hours while we answer how

00:39:52.960 to stop zion before it destroys the world so we'll consider it uh so first and foremost

00:39:57.140 tongue-in-cheek just giving you a hard time um josie iu is uh probably not in the civil war

00:40:03.440 registry but you know to be fair neither it's weapon it hurts it hurts but i have been here

00:40:09.840 multiple generations praise god um but first and foremost keyword not palestinian that's not the

00:40:17.840 keyword but christian love that so uh brother in christ god bless you thanks for um for giving us 0.97

00:40:24.640 a little bit of uh support we appreciate that that's very kind uh ending zionism you're on the 0.71

00:40:30.860 right channel with you there 100 and the fact that he's a christian palestinian now granted

00:40:36.920 he's not living in palestine he's here in the u.s uh but christian palestinian turns out you

00:40:43.640 wouldn't you wouldn't know it listening to you know mike huckabee or somebody like that but

00:40:47.120 uh a palestinian christian many such cases yeah many such cases uh there are a lot of palestinians

00:40:55.640 who are not muslim many are many are but there are a lot who love the lord jesus christ and

00:41:02.720 are uh christians and it is absolutely tragic uh what has been done to many of them on one hand

00:41:10.700 It's like they're fighting two enemies on both sides, right?

00:41:13.420 On one hand, it's, you know, Muslims, you know, their own people mistreating them, persecuting 0.78

00:41:20.460 them. 0.77

00:41:20.760 But on the other hand, it's Israel. 0.55

00:41:23.100 And you're right. 0.80

00:41:24.500 Zionism has to be stopped. 0.87

00:41:25.820 What do we do? 1.00

00:41:27.040 Well, we've got, honestly, I can't even answer the question.

00:41:30.460 We're going to have to, like, we're just going to have to skip forward.

00:41:32.760 I can't answer.

00:41:33.400 And this is why.

00:41:35.200 Because I actually have some really, not because I have some vague, ambiguous answer and I

00:41:39.620 don't have a roadmap.

00:41:40.700 I actually have really specific answers to this question,

00:41:43.680 but it's going to be a surprise.

00:41:46.500 It's going to be unveiled.

00:41:47.560 We have like, I can't, like, I know everybody says it,

00:41:50.460 so it's just, I don't even want to say it

00:41:51.900 because it just feels cliche.

00:41:53.640 It's, it feels like nobody's going to believe me.

00:41:55.740 So like, why even say it?

00:41:57.300 But I'll say it, January, 2026.

00:42:02.320 We are going to be unveiling.

00:42:04.220 Everybody says, oh, you know, we have new vision,

00:42:06.840 you know, blah, blah.

00:42:07.580 I'm telling you guys.

00:42:08.780 big things massive like not like oh man that's like one of the biggest things in the reformed

00:42:16.000 world the reformed world like the proper term is reformed ghetto reformed tradition will always be

00:42:23.280 my home that is my conviction uh reformed world like the reformed ghetto it's just it's like 0.74

00:42:31.800 this tiny little bubble that's so insignificant um and by god's grace i like i we plan to break

00:42:42.960 containment and i think we already have in many ways but if we haven't um january 2026

00:42:49.760 guaranteed we will and uh the things that we're going to be talking about will be specific they'll

00:42:55.280 be clear they'll be helpful and um and we have some big things that we're going to be unveiling

00:43:01.880 that will not just put us you know uh the talk of the town within the reformed ghetto but on a

00:43:08.100 global world stage brown anglo-saxon protestants and 499 thank you sir he said this my kids have

00:43:17.360 never been without praise god yes praise god how do i practically teach them humility before they

00:43:22.300 feel entitled to things they're still young probably all of us growing up at some point

00:43:27.060 there was a time when we didn't want to eat our dinner and our parents came in and said do you

00:43:30.500 know there are children starving in africa to which the correct response is well i'd be happy

00:43:35.000 to pack this up and ship them ship it to them uh there's a way when uh you have a lot of privilege

00:43:39.900 to set to kind of by comparison so say like well you have a lot and what i'm going to force you to

00:43:44.400 do is compare to other people don't you see how much you have and i'll be honest i don't know if

00:43:48.700 my life and other people's lives I've seen that worked. And so if your children are really blessed

00:43:53.180 and you have a lot, I think the key to instill, maybe not necessarily humility or hard work as

00:43:58.060 the forefront, but thankfulness. You have these things. And actually you, my son, my daughter,

00:44:03.620 you didn't work for them. Your dad did, or maybe we got an inheritance and your grandfather did.

00:44:08.300 And yes, humility and yes, hard work, those are good. But the key thing to learn from this,

00:44:12.720 you don't go without, you have great food, you have a great home, is thankfulness. You didn't

00:44:17.140 do anything to receive it what do you have that you have not received from god you didn't do

00:44:20.580 anything to receive it but you're benefiting from it and the people that worked hard to give it to

00:44:24.800 you what you can actually return to them most is thank you for what you did well said i remember

00:44:30.500 talking to an older christian woman one time and um we were talking about christmas and how her

00:44:37.340 family how they celebrated christmas when the children were younger and still in the home and

00:44:43.300 i asked like did you guys you know did you do santa or not um and uh and she said no and i asked

00:44:49.920 her why um just because i was curious not not because i was against her position or anything

00:44:55.220 like that but just you know why and uh and her first answer was not like um well it's about

00:45:01.820 jesus and not about santa right because it's like okay well let's talk about saint nick then you

00:45:06.180 know like there is a christian heritage and and history um to santa and christmas and all these

00:45:13.120 things. And Jesus, his birth is of course, preeminent. Um, but St. Nicholas, there's

00:45:18.380 something to be said for that. Um, but that wasn't her answer. You know, um, when she said,

00:45:23.580 no, we, we did not observe Santa. Um, it wasn't, um, she didn't say, uh, because we were, we didn't

00:45:31.420 know about St. Nick and, you know, or because it's, it's all commercialized Christmas these

00:45:35.920 days and blah, blah, blah. No, her answer, and she didn't skip a beat. I was really impressed

00:45:40.260 still to this day i think about it really impressive answer she said because my husband

00:45:45.000 worked hard why did you not uh teach your kids about santa and that they got gifts from santa

00:45:51.200 because my husband their father worked hard and i was not going to accredit his hard work and his

00:45:58.780 generosity to uh a magical man that doesn't exist you know and i i felt like that's a pretty good

00:46:06.840 answer, you know, like, especially coming from a wife who is honoring her husband and his hard

00:46:12.720 work and his generosity towards the family. I thought that that was a really honorable answer.

00:46:19.760 And so anyways, the same concept that Wes is saying, that's just a story to illustrate it.

00:46:25.040 I don't have a hard line on Santa. Like our kids, like we, you know, we talk about Santa,

00:46:29.980 but they know that Santa is not real in terms of a magical guy who lives in the North Pole right

00:46:36.600 now today with flying reindeer. They know that that's not real. Um, but they also know about

00:46:41.340 St. Nicholas and that he's worthy of honor. And then of course they know that Christmas is first

00:46:45.480 and foremost about the birth of our Lord and savior, Jesus Christ. And, um, but Santa it's

00:46:51.280 fun and it's a part of our celebration, you know, in various ways. Uh, but very clear that it's first

00:46:57.340 and foremost about Jesus and our children know, um, that when it comes to the presence, uh, the

00:47:03.820 presents come from dad dad uh for all intents and purposes dad is santa ho ho ho here i am

00:47:10.960 uh presents come from dad and um and that's because uh the bible's very clear that we are

00:47:17.740 to give honor where honor is due and so you're right it's not um well appreciate your dinner

00:47:23.480 because um people in ethiopia are starving no it's appreciate your dinner uh because dad clocked in

00:47:30.840 50, 60 hours this week to make that food appear on the table. And mom slaved over, you know,

00:47:38.580 the kitchen and the oven to translate dad's money into a meal. And so it's gratitude. I think that's

00:47:46.120 good. All right. All right. Rico TD sent $5. Thanks, Rico. Male 23 here, married to a Minnesota lady.

00:47:52.860 What would you say to someone like me who felt called to the USA when I was 19 for ministry?

00:47:57.900 I am European. And so it sounds like he would still be European. Four years ago, he felt called

00:48:04.700 to ministry in the United States. He's married to a woman who is in the United States, but from

00:48:10.960 what I'm telling, probably not living in the United States. So lives in Europe, felt a calling

00:48:14.580 to the United States, married someone from the United States, but doesn't live there yet, and

00:48:18.560 specifically a call to minister. So would you assume that his wife from Minnesota lives with

00:48:23.980 him in europe that's what i think okay married to a minnesota lady he says i am european all right

00:48:28.220 um i would say uh what giftings had has god given you do you speak i mean he's writing it in english

00:48:33.840 do you speak fluent english could your job translate over to there uh could you live near

00:48:38.820 your wife's family for instance do you have connections if all of those are there and her

00:48:43.060 family's there and you felt a calling that makes a lot of sense yeah if you're putting this into

00:48:47.400 google translate if you have a blue collar job in europe if your wife's family wouldn't be people

00:48:52.340 that you would live around or they live in minnesota where not the greatest place to raise

00:48:56.220 a family then actually god's probably not calling you to there so take a take an assessment what do

00:49:00.980 i have what has god given me what would i be able to do and say does this seem to lean towards i

00:49:06.420 would land great i'd be able to have an effective ministry and it would go well or yeah actually uh

00:49:11.880 i'm not equipped to make the move i'm not equipped to speak the language i'm not equipped to understand

00:49:15.320 the landscape and i can't do it without knowing more that's the best that i'd be able to say

00:49:19.260 yeah that's a good answer um the fact that your wife is actually you know born and raised uh

00:49:24.420 united states citizen that that's the only thing that to me makes it uh where it really is a

00:49:29.860 legitimate question if it wasn't for that if it was like me and my wife were both you know

00:49:34.060 whatever um british you know or french and we currently live you know in england or france

00:49:42.080 um both born and raised um but we feel a call to be missionaries to the united states i you know

00:49:49.080 and i would say no i don't think so uh not because the united states doesn't need help we do uh but

00:49:56.360 i'll be honest uh you know who really needs some help europe america like america's we're not doing

00:50:04.000 so hot america sucks but america looks like heaven on earth compared to europe yeah um and and so i i

00:50:10.240 don't know if if i was you i don't want to impute motives god knows your heart um i don't but i 0.98

00:50:15.700 would be you know at this current moment in time knowing what's happening in europe and knowing

00:50:21.780 where we're at in america i would be asking some of those questions of like what are my motives

00:50:26.980 um is it i really feel called to minister to americans and i feel like god's uniquely

00:50:32.460 you know gifted me to do to do such um or is it i i just want to move out of you know 0.93

00:50:40.620 uh a muslim country right in europe um because europe is cooked and we gave up our christian 0.98

00:50:50.300 civilizations and i'm really just looking for an out um that that would be one of the questions 0.96

00:50:55.640 that i would be asking but the fact that your wife is american then i feel like you could go

00:51:00.260 either way you know you've got a husband you've got a wife you know she's a citizen in america

00:51:05.900 you're a citizen in whatever european country and uh and so because of that like i mean i think that

00:51:12.280 you could you know biblically speaking like you could live either place and have you know just

00:51:17.480 as much of a claim all right there kodak joe he sent two super chats and i think referencing the

00:51:23.640 same situation a longtime supporter he sent two dollars twice so thanks kodak he said this i don't

00:51:28.940 trust my elders but the church is a true one and then followed it up i see it more as a mission

00:51:34.340 field thoughts and so i think he's saying i see my church as a mission field it's a true church

00:51:38.200 there's real believers here i don't also trust my elder zone so i see myself kind of i have some

00:51:43.560 disagreements with leadership and but there's opportunity for me to disciple to witness to

00:51:48.460 interact with people uh here at the church is that the question is thoughts about that yeah i

00:51:54.940 just think thoughts about that situation i don't trust my elders but i think there's a lot of

00:51:58.000 opportunity here to do my first thought is uh what's your family like right so if this is a

00:52:03.300 single man okay then maybe you know you can be undercover you know and do your reconnaissance

00:52:08.040 work and right um make a difference uh but if you're a married man and uh i mean that right

00:52:14.140 there even if you don't have kids right that would be the next level but if you have a wife

00:52:18.860 um that like here's the thing like so you might uh be extraordinarily resilient to the um the

00:52:27.460 long housing, you know, methods of your, your elders, but that doesn't mean that your wife

00:52:33.780 is going to have that same resilience. So what's, what's going to happen when you continue to red 0.84

00:52:39.000 pill, you want to return as the kids say, and you're like, man, you know, like as for me and

00:52:45.580 my house, you know, we're going to hold to these convictions and we're going to do this and X, Y,

00:52:50.120 and Z. Um, what, what happens the moment that you go a little bit too far and your wife is no longer

00:52:56.640 with you um that you've you've upset her you've aggravated your spouse and and the entire

00:53:03.920 community that you're in and the spiritual leadership that you're currently under you know

00:53:09.020 without a shadow of a doubt will 100 side with your wife against you they will actually affirm

00:53:17.220 your wife, um, in her rebellion against your husbandly authority. And then kids would just

00:53:26.420 same concept, uh, you know, nth degree, you know, um, what are your kids hearing, right? What is

00:53:33.500 the steady diet from the pulpit? Uh, what are they being taught? So, uh, you might have a lot

00:53:39.300 of opportunities as a mature Christian man, um, in that context to minister to others, um,

00:53:47.220 in this, you know, in this moment of kind of a theological famine in your church where the

00:53:53.940 elders are subpar. But it's kind of like the public school argument. You know, it's like,

00:54:01.040 well, we're going to send our kids to public school to be missionaries. Like kids aren't,

00:54:05.800 you know, five-year-olds aren't missionaries. Seven-year-olds, eight-year-olds, ten-year-olds

00:54:09.260 are not missionaries. Our children, we're not called to send them to the slaughter. Our children

00:54:14.820 we're called to protect to hedge to defend and to train and equip and when it's time when they're

00:54:21.880 no longer children then we send them out like arrows you know but but the first couple decades

00:54:27.640 of their life we're not firing them off as arrows we're we're building and sharpening them and

00:54:34.800 fashioning them as effective arrows so that when the time comes they're ready and so i i would say

00:54:41.460 the same thing like if you're in a church where your children and your wife are going to be

00:54:47.740 weekly you know placated and long housed and pacified by cowardly men behind the pulpit

00:54:57.100 then it doesn't matter how good the conversations are that you're having over lunch with this family

00:55:03.820 or that family, it's not worth your kids and your wife being just kind of drifted off to a spiritual

00:55:15.980 apathy in sleep. Yeah. Yeah. You shouldn't leave or destroy a good thing, a good setup, but you

00:55:21.600 also shouldn't stay in a bad thing. And from your description, sounds like more of the latter than

00:55:26.140 the first yeah 10th gen american sore sent two dollars said can i get a wesley todd to co-author

00:55:33.500 on the edge row whistle i think that's a sub stack tell you what you can do you can send me an email

00:55:38.700 and pitch me on it but uh we'll uh we'll see but thanks for the super chat and thanks for thinking

00:55:44.640 of me jacob cornwell could i scroll down a little bit here oh i skipped one favorite verse and why

00:55:52.260 is it not deuteronomy 25 from daniel woodward sent two dollars deuteronomy 25 i just looked it

00:55:58.080 up on my phone myself is uh when a woman takes hold of a man's private parts during a conflict

00:56:04.240 uh the law says that she is to have her hands cut off i can be honest if that's your life verse

00:56:09.460 that's a little weird um it is a verse in the bible it's a verse in the bible but to make it

00:56:16.760 like your premier verse is a little just put that kind of like over the entry to your home it's like

00:56:21.040 You have Joshua up there, right?

00:56:22.360 Like, well, we went a little bit off the beaten path.

00:56:26.280 I'll offer a serious answer.

00:56:28.340 I think Psalm 23,

00:56:29.380 surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life,

00:56:31.820 and I will dwell in the house of the Lord forever.

00:56:33.660 I think that's a good one.

00:56:35.620 What do you think, Joel?

00:56:37.440 I'm looking at the King James.

00:56:38.860 It says, 0.88

00:56:39.820 and where the wife taketh him by the secrets.

00:56:43.120 That's the language that he uses.

00:56:44.860 I appreciate that.

00:56:45.900 That's a good way of saying it.

00:56:46.720 And then verse 12,

00:56:47.600 then thou shalt cut off her hand,

00:56:49.940 thine eye shall not pity her um well i would just you know i mean it's it's the bible so you're

00:56:56.720 never going to catch me disagreeing with the word of god i would say uh with that i i would you know

00:57:01.560 like what's the general equity of that what's the main principle that's being espoused um big big

00:57:07.660 idea there is um you know your eye shall not pity that's the same kind of language that you find all

00:57:12.920 throughout the book of deuteronomy in regards to uh just the basic mosaic code which is that

00:57:19.220 punishment should be just it should be impartial it should be swift but then the last main character

00:57:25.700 of biblical justice is that it should be proportional right so what do you see what's

00:57:30.320 the famous you know language that we find in the old testament again and again eye for eye tooth

00:57:36.180 for tooth life for life so when you think of a woman's hands being cut off and it's in the word

00:57:44.180 of God. So you assume this is just, and one of the components of justice is that it's proportional.

00:57:52.500 I take that as God elevating the value, worth, dignity, importance of a man's secret parts,

00:58:03.460 a man's manhood, that this is not mere vanity, that it's not superfluous, it's not

00:58:11.420 uh some you know just devoted for pleasure or fun but that it's actually integral to a man

00:58:18.360 and so thinking of like okay well what does it signify what is the purpose you know of of a man's

00:58:25.640 endowment um it's procreation it's uh his lineage his line his posterity um all all of these things

00:58:37.020 and it's the Lord kind of in this verse.

00:58:40.340 I take that to mean the Lord looking into a situation like this

00:58:44.340 and saying, no, this is a really, really big deal.

00:58:47.300 So one application for today, if I'm thinking like,

00:58:50.160 if I'm going to preach that verse,

00:58:51.960 if I'm going through the book of Deuteronomy and that's in the text,

00:58:54.940 probably this is off the top of my head.

00:58:56.540 I didn't prepare this.

00:58:57.620 I didn't know the question was coming in ahead of time.

00:59:00.520 But part of what I would probably preach in that

00:59:03.800 is um something about uh you know the importance for men to be men why men actually do need to be

00:59:12.460 masculine and it's beyond just vanity and personal pleasure but it's actually integral to um

00:59:19.500 masculinity itself and the identity of a man and his production so i think of the woman if that's 1.00

00:59:25.100 equivalent proportional justice her hands right her hands are what she uses to nurture her hands 1.00

00:59:30.820 are what she uses to produce, to make, to, you know, all these different things and eye for eye,

00:59:36.700 tooth for tooth, life for life, then it must be that in the Lord's mind, a man's endowment

00:59:43.420 is equivalent to a woman's hands. And I'd have to think about that more and what all that entails 0.73

00:59:51.040 and the implications that stem from it. But just again, off the top of my head, the first thing

00:59:57.500 that I feel confident saying is that, um, the masculinity of a man is, uh, is not a trite

01:00:05.380 thing. It is a weighty thing. And it's a weighty thing, not just in his sight because he's making

01:00:12.000 too much of it. Oh, it's to, you know, you care too much about your masculinity. You care too

01:00:16.900 much about your manhood. No, the Lord attributes, um, an immense value and weight. And how do we

01:00:23.780 No, because justice, in order for it to be biblical justice, must be proportional. 0.99

01:00:29.460 And in the mind of God, the proportional consequence for a woman destroying man's manhood 0.97

01:00:37.040 would be the loss of her own hands. 1.00

01:00:40.720 So the Lord sees this clearly as something that is significant.

01:00:45.200 It's worth mentioning, too.

01:00:46.120 We have no record of that punishment ever being doled out.

01:00:48.700 Right.

01:00:48.880 Just like we don't have a record of the unruly child being put to death.

01:00:53.200 right um but it still was the law so it's the fact that it was not carried out doesn't mean

01:00:59.240 um that god didn't really mean it uh but what i would say is is that it's part of that's just one

01:01:05.580 more you know point on on god's scoreboard of why god's justice system uh was so effective

01:01:13.360 one of the reasons it was effective is because there were severe consequences and one of the

01:01:18.800 reasons why we have career criminals today in the united states is because they know that nothing's

01:01:24.600 going to happen right so all right let's do one more question and then we'll hit our second

01:01:29.600 commercial break jacob cornwell ten dollars there's an a in front of it which i'm assuming

01:01:34.140 is australian ten dollars but very kind thank you jacob what are your thoughts he asks on

01:01:40.260 aaron this would be aaron mcintyre's take on anti-semitism in his recent video with jason

01:01:45.060 Whitlock? Is there going to be another brother war? Keep up the great work. Did you see it? I

01:01:50.560 didn't see it. I didn't watch it. He's probably referencing a kind of conservative civil war.

01:01:54.560 There's a lot of disagreement. We almost did a video this week, and we need to at some point.

01:01:58.460 Yeah, we will. There's a civil war raging within the Republican Party, the conservatives,

01:02:02.880 among the right wing. What do we do about Israel? What do we, is criticism of international Jewry,

01:02:09.420 so Jews dispersed, and using the power, the means, the media, the influence that they have 0.85

01:02:14.700 to their own ends are we allowed to criticize that is that anti-semitic so if i had to guess

01:02:19.060 just going off of the comment i think jason and aren't kind of saying yeah there's a civil war

01:02:23.840 coming down uh within not with the left not in the nation but within the right wing conservative

01:02:29.560 movement that's going on as a whole i hope that's not the case i hope we win the argument before it

01:02:35.240 even gets to a war but uh i think we're there no i think you know after tucker hosted nick fuentes

01:02:40.860 and all the blowback that's probably true that he received i think it's pretty obvious that

01:02:45.940 it's not going away um on the right on the left there won't be a civil war over this issue because

01:02:52.020 despite all the many problems on the left um it's pretty universal on that side of the political

01:02:58.660 aisle uh you're hard pressed to find uh a democrat you know i mean that's not true i mean chuck

01:03:06.000 schumer right right i mean there are plenty of democrats who are jewish um and who do care um

01:03:12.700 very much but on the whole if you're looking at like the 30 000 foot view it's the right sadly

01:03:21.060 uh that has been you know known for you know traditional marriage and sanctity of life and

01:03:29.300 zionism it's like wait what what was that third one um so zionism has been a staple for uh the

01:03:37.560 political right in america in a way that it has not been for the left so the left will probably

01:03:43.200 not be facing some you know massive you know civil war type thing but the right probably will

01:03:50.300 um because that that really has it's right the zionism with republicans the gop runs deep runs 0.77

01:03:58.400 really deep and has for a really long time and I think people are sick of it it's not to me it's 0.91

01:04:04.980 you know it's not a coincidence you know like we talked about this with Zoran you know becoming

01:04:09.840 mayor of New York City which is terrible um you know so it's it's terrible uh but one of the

01:04:16.360 reasons I think there are many so I'm not just going to truncate it and narrow it down to this

01:04:20.440 one reason but to pretend that this had nothing to do with it I think would be naive one of the

01:04:26.360 things that i think was a benefit to him was on the political stage against you know all of his

01:04:33.220 political opponents they asked each one of them if you're elected mayor of new york

01:04:36.720 what's the first you know foreign visit that you would embark on every single one of them said

01:04:43.700 israel israel israel and then it came to him and his answer was i wouldn't i'd stay right here in

01:04:50.260 New York, and so are the people of New York. And so here you have a Muslim socialist who is not 0.55

01:04:56.640 good for America, but on the foreign affairs side of the equation, he's America first. And I know 1.00

01:05:05.580 that sounds ridiculous. He's not even born in America. He is not a heritage American, and he's 0.94

01:05:11.080 not American even in his ideology, whether it's economic or at every level. The dude's not an 0.61

01:05:17.720 american so please hear that disclaimer um i don't mean he's america first across the board

01:05:23.100 but i'm telling you um it is quickly like the political winds and landscape is quickly shifting

01:05:30.940 you would hope that the gop would figure this out um if you are like a randy you know what is it

01:05:38.740 randy fine fine like yeah if you're if you're of that stripe mike huckabee whatever like all your

01:05:46.500 pictures of kissing the wall and wearing the tiny hat uh israel um obsession with israel

01:05:53.020 allegiance to israel has quickly become an albatross around your neck it has become a

01:05:59.480 political liability i think we are not decades out but i think we are months years at most out

01:06:06.140 from coming to a point in america where um if you run on a pro israel campaign platform

01:06:14.620 um you're dead in the water you you don't win so um i think it's going to probably take a little

01:06:21.460 while for the gop to understand that um as soon as they understand it this is where i would say

01:06:27.100 i'm hopeful i'm hopeful that it will be a civil war i think it already is uh but i think it'll

01:06:32.420 be a short-lived uh civil war because at the end of the day let's be honest the gop just wants to 0.55

01:06:37.500 win elections and um and the moment they realize that that's a losing argument that they can't win 0.51

01:06:43.960 um they'll they'll get over it so yep let's hit our second commercial break and we'll come back

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01:10:12.520 all right cody lee galleon i have it on good authority it is not gayun it is galleon all

01:10:23.140 right 9.99 super chat applying for sor i think sons of sons of rebellion uh my forefathers served

01:10:32.000 every war all got land farming after victory after world war ii we sunk into poverty until i changed

01:10:37.480 that in your opinion why did world war ii cause the demoralization curious uh 80 million dollars

01:10:43.300 80 million dollars 80 million people dead and uh the rise of communism in russia yeah that's why

01:10:48.960 we uh we chose to fight with the communists against the fascists communists won and 80

01:10:55.740 million people died and you just you don't have 80 million people die without a bunch of people

01:11:00.440 being blackpilled yep all right uh doc's water uh why did you delete your instagram sent five

01:11:08.880 dollars thank you sir we did not uh instagram deleted it and we don't really use it we kind

01:11:15.380 of transitioned away from instagram um probably three years ago uh so we just stopped really

01:11:23.480 posting on it um now instagram has changed i've i've heard you know you know reliable sources

01:11:30.060 saying hey you know you could actually do a lot on instagram uh but at the time we just kind of

01:11:35.980 kind of just got sick of it because uh instagram at least three years ago in our experience was 0.98

01:11:42.060 predominantly um more of a feminine platform you know it's like a place where women would post

01:11:48.700 things from etsy you know or whatever and um and just the nature of our ministry and what we're

01:11:53.980 trying to accomplish and who we're trying to reach we're like instagram doesn't make

01:11:57.500 make any sense uh for us now at this point instagram probably would make sense but our

01:12:04.860 account because we pretty much abandoned it three years ago um if we were to hop back on instagram

01:12:11.000 we probably would just start over anyways so yeah all right uh nick kilmer sent 499 thanks nick he

01:12:17.880 said i left the sda the seven day adventist church a while ago i still have lots of family who are

01:12:22.900 seventh day adventists what are your guys thoughts on the seventh day adventists overall not good

01:12:27.980 not good not great they as far as i know uh not as much christological error so like jehovah's

01:12:33.640 witnesses or mormons saying for example like jesus was a creative being not divine they celebrate

01:12:38.620 the sabbath and they believe that uh it was wrong to move it to sunday and so they observe

01:12:42.620 saturday as the christian sabbath uh there's strains of doctrine that say christ entered

01:12:47.800 the most holy places in 1844 uh they get real weird on the end times as most cults end up doing

01:12:54.780 so do not love the sabbath piece do not love the saturday piece uh don't love all the end time

01:13:00.020 stuff ellen g white she was she claimed she had a prophetic gift that she saw all these things

01:13:04.740 it's it's not good um does does god in his kindness still save people that even despite

01:13:14.580 This is a very big despite.

01:13:15.760 Not because of, but despite.

01:13:17.660 Despite all of the errors of the church.

01:13:19.140 Save them because they've said,

01:13:20.760 I open my Bible and I see Jesus die for my sins.

01:13:23.680 I think that's possible.

01:13:24.540 I'm not God.

01:13:25.280 I know he will be just.

01:13:26.900 However, still as the emphasis would say,

01:13:29.720 don't trust in that church for salvation.

01:13:31.900 Don't trust the people there are trusting in Christ

01:13:34.120 as much as possible.

01:13:36.420 Yeah, it's not worth it.

01:13:37.960 It's a very small, kind of weird sect.

01:13:40.480 A lot of people end up leaving religion,

01:13:42.660 leaving Christianity altogether from it. 0.99

01:13:45.640 Yep. 0.99

01:13:45.880 So not good.

01:13:46.980 Okay.

01:13:47.780 B Hunter 2004, he gave us a $20 super chat.

01:13:51.700 We appreciate that.

01:13:52.520 Thank you.

01:13:53.040 He said, is my employment as a provider of insurance

01:13:57.120 to government schools that promote secular indoctrination

01:14:00.320 of children biblically lawful?

01:14:02.440 I appreciate your thoughts.

01:14:03.940 Thank you for your ministry.

01:14:05.740 You're very welcome.

01:14:06.860 Thank you for your support.

01:14:08.680 Is it biblically lawful in terms of like, is it permissible?

01:14:11.600 are you in ongoing continual state of sin by virtue of holding to that job um i would say no

01:14:18.900 um is it ideal uh maybe not uh you know it might be something you know like kind of like what paul

01:14:27.500 writes to slaves where he's like you know like obey your masters but if you can gain your freedom

01:14:33.020 avail yourself to do so so uh is it worth uh you taking certain efforts to change your vocation

01:14:41.520 maybe um but you know it's hard just from the question alone without asking me asking more

01:14:48.160 questions and getting more details like what you know insurance for what like uh for the physical

01:14:53.460 protection of those kids well then i think that that's not only is it permissible but even

01:14:58.900 commendable. And that's something that you can have a perfectly clear conscience and say, yeah,

01:15:03.860 I don't think any kids should be going to the school, but they are. And, um, I would like for

01:15:09.080 them to be physically protected while they're here and get the best price that they can, you know,

01:15:13.620 on insurance with this, that, and the other. So I, I don't know, like what, what kind of insurance

01:15:17.640 is it just protecting the, the, you know, the, the bottom line financially and the physical

01:15:23.660 property of the school that you know is purchased by coercion by you know the state taking our

01:15:29.680 property taxes you know to you know then yeah then that's that's less defensible it's not

01:15:35.580 really commendable i don't think that it's necessarily put you in a continual state of sin

01:15:39.800 but it's not necessarily what i would want to do uh with my life's work so it'd be worth you know

01:15:45.480 exploring other options yep jd peabody sent five dollars no comments attached just uh just a

01:15:53.000 faithful supporter thank you uh is that pat buchanan in that picture my eyes it is yeah

01:15:57.800 based tom sent five dollars did the nephilim look like clowns oh great question so good

01:16:05.620 have you have you gone down this uh this rabbit trail probably not oh i'm so proud to say i haven't

01:16:10.460 you don't you don't care um there's man there's some compelling evidence um yeah of just basically

01:16:18.960 like you know like the red lips of a clown and the white skin you know and and all these things

01:16:24.500 and the redness around the eyes and clowns have always been you know like kind of horrific i don't

01:16:30.860 i don't know what's funny about clowns they're they're quite terrifying um but basically the

01:16:36.080 arguments is that the nephilim were man eaters right that they actually um who's the one a great

01:16:42.160 hunter before the lord uh was nimrod yeah and i know my nephilim lord yeah um and so you know

01:16:50.820 arguments have been made that like he wasn't like hunting like when it says great hunter before the

01:16:55.400 lord it's more of the negative connotation like like that the lord was was watching him in anger

01:17:02.180 in judgment um and that he was like doing it like really like uh right in front of my post-war

01:17:08.300 consensus you know right in front of my face like you're going to be you're going to be uh so

01:17:12.420 blatantly rebellious um right in front of me so like a great hunter a mighty hunter before the

01:17:18.840 lord um not that the lord honored him but quite the opposite that like before the face of god he

01:17:24.940 had no sense of shame and he hunted men not animals he was a man man hunter and man eater

01:17:32.500 um that he was a cannibal and so there's a lot of different theories about about the nephilim uh

01:17:39.900 you know being giants you know great physical stature that i absolutely believe and that uh

01:17:44.900 some of them if not all of them but at least some of them actually being cannibalistic and so in

01:17:49.940 being cannibalistic and being just beastly um in their appetites and their behaviors and their way

01:17:57.020 of life uh these are not people who are living uh civilized lives they're not showering and so

01:18:02.520 constantly having you know like uh red stained lips from blood right that they would like eat

01:18:08.320 raw meat and even eat people raw um and so you know and then like pale pasty you know skin so

01:18:15.700 like the white face the red lips um the the eyes being agitated there's a reason for the eyes i

01:18:22.340 forget but anyways that's that's the basic gist i'm i'm butchering it but that's the basic gist

01:18:28.540 of where you get the clown theory behind the nephilim and i'll just go on record and say 0.89

01:18:33.760 it's ridiculous just kidding i believe it 100 percent i'm so down like you're telling me that 0.86

01:18:40.560 uh horrific terrifying clowns um are are modeled off of uh this 40 in unhinged biblical mythology 0.95

01:18:51.100 yeah i'm here for that 100 take it to the bank that was more grounded than i thought it would

01:18:56.600 be yeah there's something behind it's not it's not like completely arbitrary to the bank out of

01:19:02.100 nothing yeah okay so yeah i'm being a little bit facetious there uh but it's not ridiculous so my

01:19:07.020 answer is what do i think it's not ridiculous and i'm inclined to think there might be something

01:19:12.000 there all right all right vlad jacobets 499 thank you vlad really appreciate it was talking with

01:19:17.900 friends and they said that if a husband did everything right but his wife is still rebellious

01:19:22.720 he's still responsible your response no no no that's um put down the george gilder and pick 1.00

01:19:32.620 up some uh some william gooch that that would be my response um covert feminism is still feminism

01:19:39.400 and uh we're just we're done with that that that dog don't hunt not not anymore there was a time

01:19:46.200 right we don't we don't have to name everybody involved you get you know the usual suspects

01:19:50.680 there was a time uh when you could say that and it was based you know where people thought it was

01:19:56.720 it was never based but and they thought oh man he's patriarchal in fact he's so patriarchal

01:20:01.480 that look at how much responsibility he's giving to the man but what i've realized

01:20:05.500 as i've you know looked into it more as i've aged as i've gotten a little bit more experience a 0.99

01:20:11.920 little bit more wisdom it's just uh it's just the back door of feminism it's just a way of feigning

01:20:19.180 patriarchal convictions but ultimately championing the feminist cause um it's i i said it you know a

01:20:26.680 couple live streams ago earlier this week i think on monday it's um it's pharaoh saying to the

01:20:31.620 israelite slaves uh bricks without straw um and that's ultimately what we've uh done to men so

01:20:38.540 you know just full-blown you know unapologetic feminism would just say um you know here's the 0.99

01:20:45.920 irony um leftist godless secular feminism full-blown feminism is actually more empowering

01:20:54.160 of men um than your based conservative reformed pastor uh patriarchy because at least the leftist

01:21:03.860 will say men don't have any authority but they also don't have responsibility right whereas your

01:21:10.940 based patriarchal reform pastor is going to say men have all the responsibility but none of the

01:21:19.060 authority bricks but no straw so you like you still have to be the man of the house and bear

01:21:25.420 responsibility for everything in the family but at the end of the day you don't really have

01:21:30.860 authority and those guys of course they have authority we teach authority yeah you you say

01:21:35.480 that but then you know every six months you come out with some kind of you you have authority dot

01:21:41.480 dot dot fine print but unless you're Nabal and your wife is Abigail and what makes a man Nabal

01:21:48.860 he's actually blatantly going against the scripture no he holds to a different revision

01:21:54.940 of world war ii history than we prefer and so then your wife is totally totally um uh merited

01:22:04.720 to uh go against the will of her husband um against his wishes pursue the elders of the church

01:22:12.120 and get him um in trouble so yeah so i mean if that's if that's patriarchy then 1.00

01:22:20.080 sign me up for feminism you know um but no that that's i'm glad you asked the question it needs

01:22:27.700 to be said we'll say it again and again and again men do bear responsibility they do but they also

01:22:34.540 have authority and in our society where um and sadly even in the church where um the vast majority

01:22:43.020 if not all of that authority has been stripped away um you don't get to take away the authority

01:22:48.780 but still make a man bear the responsibility if he can't do anything about it because you've made

01:22:55.980 him powerless then he's not morally culpable he's not responsible we bear moral culpability when we

01:23:02.900 sin against god because we actually um are not powerless we actually um we actually

01:23:12.000 are responsible for our rebellion because our rebellion is willful. It's volitional. It's the

01:23:21.180 volition piece that brings the responsibility. You take away the volition, then you take away

01:23:29.200 the culpability. And so if you have a man who has no authority and the wife is sinning against

01:23:38.960 every single one of despite all his efforts and and there's literally nothing he can do 1.00

01:23:45.020 then no he's not responsible that's that that's just that is feminism that's feminism 1.00

01:23:52.500 thinly veiled as based patriarchy and we don't buy it there are just there are women that are 1.00

01:23:58.460 terrible people i think of uh greg bonson his wife it's not like trumpeted from the rooftops 1.00

01:24:04.140 but his wife cheated on him, committed adultery multiple times,

01:24:07.640 and eventually the elders looked into it.

01:24:09.840 He had biblical cause to let her go,

01:24:11.560 and you hear from him explaining the situation

01:24:13.940 and the others that looked into it.

01:24:15.380 He was not a perfect man, a sinless man,

01:24:17.420 but we can say in the matter that he did all the things right

01:24:20.640 that could be expected of a man,

01:24:21.980 as best we can tell from the outside.

01:24:23.920 And if not Greg Bonson, then someone else really was a good man

01:24:27.300 and innocent as far as sinning in his wife in any way that merited it, 0.94

01:24:30.740 and she was a wicked person.

01:24:32.420 And so we don't look at him and say,

01:24:33.480 well somehow some way you're just still responsible because that was the outcome that happened

01:24:37.140 no she was wicked and he in the matter not as a person but in the matter was sinless and did not

01:24:42.820 do anything wrong is jesus responsible i mean think about this like is jesus responsible for

01:24:48.540 all the sin of the church right i know he's sinless he doesn't um he takes um he he's willing

01:24:56.700 to pay the price for the sin of the church at the cost of his own life right behold the lamb of god

01:25:02.060 takes away the sins of the world. So he takes the punishment. He's willing to do that. But nowhere

01:25:08.700 would we say that he bears the moral responsibility for the church's sin. No, he is blameless. He is

01:25:20.160 sinless. He is innocent. It's our fault that we sin, not his. So no, that dog won't hunt.

01:25:28.140 all right appeal to heaven 7 sent 199 thank you sir fun question favorite new testament and old

01:25:34.100 testament book and why great work gents thank you new testament hebrews old testament isaiah

01:25:39.200 they're awesome books yeah um hebrews is great uh romans is also great a lot of great books on

01:25:48.420 i'll go with i'll go with hebrews i really really love hebrews uh old testament honestly

01:25:54.900 you know and maybe it's because i just taught through them but on you know i i pick them to

01:26:00.760 teach through because i really like them but um joshua and ezra and nehemiah joshua ezra and

01:26:07.740 nehemiah are probably three of my favorites isaiah is a great book but i really love like if i'm in

01:26:14.780 the old testament the prophets are great right the wisdom literature is great the proverbs are great

01:26:20.400 um the psalms goaded right yeah and that's yeah wisdom literature and psalms are goaded

01:26:26.200 but i really like um the historical books they're just fun it's just it's just great

01:26:32.380 judges honestly judges is a fantastic book so i'd say like joshua judges ezra nehemiah those

01:26:38.860 two time periods right there um awesome all right good answer will nelson sent 499 thanks will

01:26:46.080 In 1683, Protestants joined with the Catholics to defend Vienna.

01:26:50.780 Were those Protestants wrong to join that battle?

01:26:52.840 That was against the Turks in the Ottoman Empire, 0.72

01:26:54.760 and they joined with what would have been like the Hasberg dynasty for the Catholics. 1.00

01:26:58.280 No, they were not wrong.

01:26:59.560 Of course not.

01:27:00.420 You can be co-belligerents when civilization is at stake. 1.00

01:27:04.920 There's a difference in Catholics and Protestants joining the same local church 0.95

01:27:10.420 and administering the sacraments to one another,

01:27:14.240 uh validating you know each other's salvation um like our church like when we're not going to have

01:27:21.680 a catholic be an elder in our church we're not going to have a catholic be a member in our church

01:27:27.240 um he would you know he could grow up catholic but he would have to renounce rome um you know

01:27:34.020 and vice versa every catholic would say that about me so we're not being mean-spirited we're not

01:27:38.300 picking on um anyone but we're just saying no like the the protestant catholic church are separate

01:27:43.740 for good reasons and those reasons theological reasons matter so in the realm of the church

01:27:48.880 um that that degree of ecumenical ecumenicalism um between catholics and protestants in the realm

01:27:56.740 of the church bad idea um in the realm of politics and culture good idea we have to think in

01:28:04.880 categories i said something just yesterday on twitter and uh somebody was like ecumenicalism

01:28:11.620 is satanic um oh i know what it was it was robert uh sarah um the uh is he ethiopia cardinal yeah

01:28:20.540 right yeah but what country i don't know what country he's from south africa south africa

01:28:24.800 sub-saharan africa yeah okay uh but he said um something about like uh western civilization is

01:28:32.020 about to collapse and it needs to be saved and the enemy is at the gates the enemy is at the gates

01:28:36.600 yeah uh for west and and so i just shared it and said based robert sarah and um and somebody in

01:28:44.300 the comments was like ecumenicalism is satanic and i was like what are you talking about i didn't

01:28:49.840 invite him to preach at my church like what he's he's talking he's talking about the political

01:28:55.880 the cultural he's talking about civilization being on the brink and um and he's right he's

01:29:04.060 absolutely right and so yeah so i think you just have to know where you can join so if it's 0.95

01:29:09.300 protestants and catholics joining in a physical battle against the turks to save their children's

01:29:16.460 physical lives like i don't understand how you can be against that there you go reformed red pill

01:29:24.120 sent five dollars on polity what about the execution of aiken and his family in joshua 7

01:29:29.580 It was commanded by God to the representative, to the rep, carried out by the assembly for their protection.

01:29:36.500 Good example, the involvement of the people.

01:29:38.320 Yep, and so that's what I said.

01:29:39.480 I said, to me, the most compelling case is for the Old Testament when it came to corporal punishment

01:29:45.540 and the New Testament when it comes to excommunication.

01:29:47.940 And I see a continuity between the two, whether it's putting the immoral person to death in the Old Covenant

01:29:54.320 or whether it's putting the immoral person

01:29:57.340 and penitent person out of the church

01:29:59.240 in the new covenant,

01:30:00.440 I do see whether it's Matthew 18

01:30:02.180 or whether it's the text that was just cited here.

01:30:05.080 I see both of those as being,

01:30:07.840 when it's corporal, it's corporate.

01:30:10.420 I see that principle.

01:30:12.220 And I think that's a great case.

01:30:14.600 And it rhymes, so it has to be true.

01:30:15.960 It has to be true.

01:30:16.680 Corporal, corporate.

01:30:18.580 And I think all I would say is

01:30:21.140 um i am it's getting harder by the day uh to see the principle beyond that i still see it there

01:30:28.700 i'm i'm really having a hard time um um i i need somebody to make me the biblical argument

01:30:36.580 for a congregational vote on the budget i'm having a hard time seeing that one in scripture

01:30:42.240 but evan davies sent five ooh pounds euros yeah yeah uh i think pounds all right no that's euros

01:30:50.740 that's euros sent five euros uh thanks evan and then austin oh is this the one attached to a super

01:30:55.240 chat nate okay he sent ten dollars and then he followed up i'll we'll just hit both of austin's

01:31:03.540 questions here or both super chats sent 4.99 so thanks austin for both of those he said this i

01:31:09.140 have a gay brother i'm sorry we have a rocky relationship due to my views i have kids now

01:31:13.620 wondering how you would have handled a sibling relationship i will say we did a video at the

01:31:18.820 beginning of this year it was not a live stream so it wasn't a full two hours it was a shorter

01:31:23.140 video on bringing children around family members that would be gay or trans we did tackle that i

01:31:28.740 think 10-15 minutes long so definitely would recommend to check that out um and basically

01:31:33.340 i think we said essentially there's a difference between bringing your children around someone

01:31:38.220 who's not actively sinning you're right an uncle with a foul mouth who keeps it under control at 0.67

01:31:42.260 thanksgiving versus bringing them around someone who literally by being in a gay marriage by 0.87

01:31:47.480 pretending to be a man when they were born a woman is literally active every single moment 0.75

01:31:52.200 sinning yeah your children will always be around sinners but there's a difference in in your 0.60

01:31:58.000 children you subjecting your children to be in the presence of someone who is in sin versus someone

01:32:03.860 who is sinning in sin versus sinning um i think that's the difference so you could have an

01:32:10.140 unbelieving uncle like you just said who has a foul mouth um and you have a respectful conversation

01:32:15.300 with him ahead of time say please do not curse in front of the children and you know that like

01:32:19.280 when he's not around your kids he curses like a sailor but when he's with your kids he's not

01:32:23.380 cursing so he's in sin but he's not sinning um and i think that would be permissible so with you 0.62

01:32:30.480 know the gay brother um i don't know is is his boyfriend coming with him you know um is he doing 0.68

01:32:37.880 the limp wrist and the lisp in his talk you know voice is he doing the voice you know it's like hey 0.92

01:32:44.360 you're doing the voice uh well that actually is not just in sin that's sinning what you're saying

01:32:49.000 that a voice is sinning yes i am yes i am you are intentionally changing your voice to sound

01:32:56.260 effeminate. Effeminacy is a sin. So yeah, so if he is sinning, sinning with his gay voice,

01:33:04.660 or sinning with his gay boyfriend, or sinning in his gay attire, the way that he's dressing, 0.82

01:33:10.600 he's sinning in front of your children, then yeah, sorry, love you, praying for you.

01:33:17.080 We're not spending Christmas or any holiday with you ever again, because I love my kids more,

01:33:21.600 and i'm called to protect them but if it's just he's a sodomite he's in sin but he's not sinning

01:33:28.820 he's talking like a normal person dressing like a normal person and he's not bringing his boyfriend

01:33:34.180 you know for christmas dinner um then yeah i i would i think that that's permissible

01:33:39.640 for your kids to be able to see their uncle you know around the holidays yeah all right

01:33:45.840 kevin ice sent 499 he said thoughts on candace owens and her charlie kirk investigation how can

01:33:50.780 christians avoid conspiracies when we don't trust the government to tell the truth the very first

01:33:56.220 live stream we ever did was three tools for judging conspiracies so for one you'll see uh just how

01:34:02.480 much our set and everything has changed but i think the principles in there are still timely so

01:34:06.700 all the way back this would have been alive about two years ago uh three tools for judging

01:34:10.560 conspiracies but um i i think in short essentially don't trust everyone but also don't uh give your

01:34:17.500 life away too babe wake up new candace just dropped babe wake up uh they're just more productive

01:34:22.520 things and even with charlie kirk the big narrative isn't actually maybe literally who pulled the

01:34:26.920 trigger it does matter we should get to the bottom of it here's actually what matters more thousands

01:34:30.820 and thousands of leftists cheered for it to happen yeah so what should be your takeaway well this one

01:34:35.500 person this one thing may be enabled okay that matters also practically thousands of people in

01:34:40.680 your state need to lose their jobs because they are bloodthirsty for conservatives so don't lose

01:34:45.700 the forest for the trees when it comes to conspiracies yeah i agree that said i don't

01:34:52.280 believe the narrative and candace she says some wacky i mean charlie coming and talking to her

01:34:57.680 in a dream you know that that was a little cringe uh but that said have you guys seen all right i'm

01:35:05.620 just gonna say have you guys seen the um the searches the google searches i have it's it's

01:35:12.360 fascinating right i mean at the end of the day it's like okay is it true though were those searches

01:35:17.180 really there because they've all been wiped now that you know so like i would want to see more

01:35:22.200 evidence and you know those kinds of things you know so just to say it doesn't make it true um

01:35:27.300 but the uh that particular narrative uh you know the long and short of it is there were very

01:35:33.160 specific google searches before charlie's assassination took place all the way down to

01:35:39.080 the VIN number, you know, identification number of the plane, the getaway plane, the pilot's name,

01:35:45.040 Tyler James Robinson with his middle name, Tyler James Robinson, the address of the house with the

01:35:51.040 chicken coop where the gun was left, that address search, all these Google searches happened before

01:35:57.660 the assassination after the TPUSA event where Tucker and Dave Smith and other guys were hosted

01:36:03.620 by Charlie to say things about Israel that Zionists do not appreciate. So post-TPUSA event where

01:36:10.720 everyone's now mad at Charlie for keeping Tucker and having Dave Smith there and allowing these

01:36:17.460 anti-Zionist talking points to be platformed at his event. After the TPUSA event and before his

01:36:26.180 assassination in that window of whatever it was, six weeks, something like that, that time period

01:36:31.280 in between, there is a number of very, very specific Google searches, allegedly, that took

01:36:37.160 place in one country, Israel. And then after being searched in Israel, a little later on,

01:36:46.260 I think also in Kentucky, where I think there's like a particular place in Kentucky where there's

01:36:52.420 like a cia or fbi um uh headquarters and then also i think in washington um dc so not great

01:37:01.700 not great um is it true though that's the most important question is that true and is there a

01:37:07.500 way to validate it i don't know um i don't know but i will say that uh the current narrative of

01:37:13.820 a 30-06 and charlie kirk having superhuman powers and his neck catching the bullet and stopping it

01:37:20.520 i mean you just shot a yeah so on tuesday i got my first buck the bullet went straight through

01:37:26.040 like a full 30 barrel 6 110 pound buck small entrance wound straw small exit wound yep all

01:37:33.800 the way through um so no i'm the current narrative i'll just i i have nothing to hide i'm not ashamed

01:37:39.120 to say it like i'm not buying it um but i think west still is right in terms of okay um but what

01:37:45.320 we do right like what's what's the purpose um i think what we do is um yeah we we say look this

01:37:53.400 is what we do know we know that thousands of leftists uh were mocking christians mocking

01:37:59.700 charlie mocking his wife mocking his children uh so we use whatever political momentum we can get

01:38:05.900 i think that that's that's strategic that's wise um take it take what you can get uh but you you

01:38:12.540 said this briefly but it's just worth mentioning again because you're right um it matters how can

01:38:18.420 we use this like i saw people tweeting out um uh if i die um make it political right and i i would

01:38:26.000 agree like i mean wes joke about it all the time i'm like uh you know like i'll tell him like hey

01:38:30.300 if uh if i die um you know in the next year or two uh find a way to politicize it absolutely

01:38:36.800 it's like why why would you do that tensions are already so high because we need to win um we need

01:38:42.440 to win. We're talking about wicked, evil, sinister people who laugh when children's fathers

01:38:50.600 are executed in front of them. So yeah, they need to be crushed. These people are demonic 1.00

01:38:56.440 and they need to be crushed. So politicize it. That's great. There's an easy angle because of 1.00

01:39:02.420 all the people with the TikTok videos and Instagram mocking Charlie and his death.

01:39:06.720 um that's just an easy angle to to get political capital momentum and seek to righteously crush

01:39:14.380 politically crush your enemies and you should do that at the same time objective truth also matters

01:39:21.580 immensely it really does matter that an innocent man doesn't go to jail it really does matter if

01:39:28.300 he is innocent uh that's uh the the guilty don't get away scot-free um that really does matter and

01:39:35.340 so um i hope that we would find the truth i'll be honest i doesn't look very trails gone cold i

01:39:44.360 think to say the least yeah i mean like how how's epstein going how's that going you know um cash

01:39:50.640 patel has been a disappointment uh we're not going to find out things about epstein i don't think

01:39:55.500 we're going to get any answers about charlie kirk this is just this is where we are like our

01:40:00.020 government it doesn't matter what side i mean at the end of the day whether it's the gop whether

01:40:04.620 it's maga you know whether it's the democrats um they're not they're not going to tell you the 1.00

01:40:10.140 truth they think you're stupid uh they will lie to you and continue to use you as a tax farm for 0.99

01:40:17.000 israel and ukraine and everything else so that's just kind of where we are but it does matter and 0.99

01:40:22.760 people are giving candace a hard time i'll go on record and say um i think she's done a lot of good

01:40:28.100 and uh and if you want to listen i think like there's there's nothing wrong with that listen

01:40:33.400 just listen with an objective ear um don't be overly biased um do i think she's right about

01:40:40.280 everything no nobody's right about everything do i think she's brought up those some compelling

01:40:44.960 points the dream no not so much but some other things that really are compelling yeah i do and

01:40:51.200 you can say i'm stupid or whatever but no i i think she's bright i think she's done a lot of

01:40:55.960 good work and i think she's right more often than people are willing to admit yeah all right all

01:41:03.820 right the breakdown corner sent 499 he said if you were tied to a chair forced to listen to a

01:41:08.760 podcast for 20 hours would you rather listen to stone choir or dividing line love you guys

01:41:13.720 love you too stone choir super chat don't choir yeah if that's the options we don't have to go

01:41:19.200 into we've talked about this before uh so we'll just give a short answer your question is uh

01:41:23.900 it's either or it's a simple question 20 hours tied to a chair listening to a podcast don't

01:41:29.480 choir dividing line stone choir next question wise final solution sent 20 he said the lord's

01:41:35.020 using your team your group to rebuild the american will in real american time support trump more than

01:41:40.760 fuentes nick fuentes if you don't brothers i'm afraid you're making a big big mistake this

01:41:45.420 republic defines our virtue i don't really know what the last line is getting at yeah that threw

01:41:51.600 me off yeah i appreciate the can you read it one more time all right one more time i understand it

01:41:56.360 uh wise final solution first of all thanks for the 20 very kind uh the lord's using your team

01:42:01.640 your group to rebuild the american will in real american time for trump more than fuentes if you

01:42:08.680 don't brothers i'm afraid you're making a big big mistake this republic defines our virtue

01:42:15.740 yeah i i disagree i'm just gonna have to say i really appreciate uh your supports and uh your

01:42:23.060 encouragement it means a lot but in terms of um support trump like if you don't like nick

01:42:28.860 fine like who cares you don't have to like him you don't have to listen to him that that's fine

01:42:32.880 um so i'm i'm gonna hit more so on on the side of the support trump than the don't support nick

01:42:41.680 in terms of supporting trump i think i would just answer by saying i did i been there done that

01:42:51.540 bought the t-shirt i voted for him all three times have you supported trump uh my goodness

01:42:56.780 dude i was trump's top guy nathan have you supported trump uh have i supported i i feel

01:43:05.400 like we've done that yeah um and so i would just respond by saying uh when is trump going to

01:43:11.180 support me when is trump going to support us when is he going to support the americans who voted him

01:43:18.260 into office when are we going to get the mass deportations when are we going to like hey uh

01:43:24.220 you know the pedophiles who should be in jail uh forget about them he mocked people when he's like

01:43:29.200 epstein who you're still talking about that yeah we're still talking about that yeah we're still 0.88

01:43:35.080 talking about epstein yes our country has been stolen from us by foreign invaders and and there's

01:43:41.060 still here you haven't gotten them out um we haven't gotten any credible answers about who

01:43:47.560 killed charlie kirk uh americans are being replaced um in terms of jobs have you seen the

01:43:57.240 job numbers oh they're off the charts unemployment bad terrible yeah absolutely terrible i just saw

01:44:05.320 a report today that um that that the major fortune 500 uh companies across the board as a whole have

01:44:12.880 uh have increased in terms of creating jobs have it's basically a wash have created no new jobs

01:44:18.240 for the last year um so people can't afford to live um you mock people when when we ask you

01:44:27.260 to simply produce what you promised right uh think jfk or or epstein files or this that and the other

01:44:34.780 um the economy dismantled the violent left oh no do that either the mass deportations have been a

01:44:43.180 joke so i i mean i'm not saying trump has never done anything of course he has and i'm grateful

01:44:50.860 for it but the uh support trump uh nick is 27 years old he doesn't hold political office he

01:44:58.760 never has um i so it's like well you should support trump more than nick well my expectations

01:45:06.420 for trump are a lot higher than my expectations for nick nick is a he's a political pundit he's

01:45:13.880 a podcaster and he's podcasting whether you like it or not the dude is podcasting at you know he's

01:45:19.340 firing on every cylinder he's podcasting at the top of his lungs so i mean whatever you would

01:45:24.120 expect for nick to do he's doing he's like he's podcasting as much as he can saying things you

01:45:31.500 know years in advance uh being willing to be de-platformed and canceled and all that kind of

01:45:36.440 so so whatever the expectations would be for a 27 year old podcaster feel like nick is fulfilled

01:45:43.060 but the expectations uh for the president of the united states that we have supported

01:45:49.340 a ton those expectations are not being met right at all so i i would just respond to the comment

01:45:57.160 and say um you know ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for no i i am

01:46:04.480 gonna ask uh what is my country gonna do for me what are my elected leaders that i encourage

01:46:11.200 others to vote for um gonna do for me uh no it's it's it's not time to support trump um it's time

01:46:19.280 for trump to support us and he needs to do it and do it quick because if he doesn't and right now

01:46:25.780 he's not we are going to be slaughtered in the midterms and as steve bannon just recently said

01:46:31.840 a bunch of people including him and maybe me are going to go to jail like the spicy tweets

01:46:39.120 are not enough all you're doing is aggravating the hornet's nest you're not actually crushing them

01:46:46.300 you're not actually dismantling them you're just pissing them off and at the same time pissing off

01:46:54.040 your base by not fulfilling your promises so that you're going to get crushed in the midterm and

01:46:59.180 then have an aggravated political opponent coming into to the public sphere with a vengeance and

01:47:07.020 we're all going to get crushed so no i am not trusting the plan friends i am currently not a

01:47:14.280 plan truster and uh and so it's weird to kind of sync up fuentes and trump like support trump

01:47:21.860 more than fuentes i i don't even know what that means but i'll just speak to the trump piece and

01:47:26.620 say um he's had plenty of support plenty it's time for him to do something all right glenn lawrence

01:47:35.260 presents sent ten dollars thanks glenn what do you recommend a husband should do if his wife refuses

01:47:41.280 to follow his leadership if he continues to enforce his boundaries his wife could follow

01:47:45.840 file for divorce um first of all uh condolences if that's your situation that's a tough situation

01:47:52.880 to be in i don't know that it would be appropriate to say hold this line or hold that line uh because

01:47:58.040 you could push a marriage over the edge or uh she would maybe never files for divorce and then you've

01:48:03.920 settled yourself short i think the best person to be able to discern would be a man who knows both

01:48:09.160 of you. That should be an elder, or at best, an elder man in the church, and you're meeting with

01:48:13.600 him weekly. My marriage is on the rocks. My wife won't submit to my leadership. I'm afraid she

01:48:18.240 would file out for divorce. She would take the children, but I'm not going to give up. I'm not

01:48:22.020 going to give up loving her, and I'm not going to give up leading her. How should I do this here?

01:48:27.500 What do you think about this? What is your counsel to me? They're going to know her. They're going to

01:48:31.500 know you. If it's you, they're going to know the friend. If it's the friend, and be able to say,

01:48:35.360 this is how far i think it should go but not this just yet and hopefully also be an encouragement

01:48:40.320 hey do you remember the progress we've made in these three months i think they're going to be

01:48:44.240 able to do a lot more good than we could just simply knowing uh at the top line hey a wife

01:48:49.000 won't submit yep well that's good uh unfortunately there you know and i know you know this west but

01:48:54.500 there are many cases where um you you couldn't get that unruly reviling wife to attend a counseling

01:49:02.280 session with a truly biblically faithful elder to save your life right you know so and that's even

01:49:08.860 why i said just meeting with the other man right you probably yeah you might have to yeah it might

01:49:13.580 just be you and this pastor counseling you without your wife because she refuses to attend because

01:49:19.400 she's so steeped in her pride and rebellion and feminism and it's really him just um consoling

01:49:26.100 you praying for you and uh and discipling you in how to suffer for doing good how to suffer well

01:49:33.340 for the cause of christ um because the bottom line is uh we currently live in a society where

01:49:39.680 the courts the churches sadly um the media the culture uh the education system the universities

01:49:47.680 every single facet of our society is against men and panders to women and so um you look you have

01:49:57.960 to marry a godly woman or you're screwed if you wind up you know you wake up one day and you 0.98

01:50:03.840 realize oh my goodness i've been hoodwinked i'm married i'm married and a insufferable woman 0.96

01:50:10.620 and then unless god does a miracle uh basically your life is over and so at that point i mean

01:50:17.000 your life is over so at that point uh all you really can do is uh is simply try to suffer well

01:50:23.560 to honor christ and if you have kids um to win the hearts of your children um to where they don't uh

01:50:33.020 they don't end up turning out like mom yeah sad very very sad and there are thousands of men

01:50:39.680 um in that position all right next all right chase cormick sent twenty dollars very kind chase

01:50:45.480 great brother he asked how would a man address a wife who allows herself to become overwhelmed

01:50:50.340 by simple duties by a lack of planning and laziness that's a good one

01:50:56.280 uh i would just certainly say uh patience you know peter does say they are the weaker vessel

01:51:04.220 and this is one of the areas men men take on and can take on a lot of stress and a lot of different

01:51:09.980 things at the same time and not allow themselves to be overwhelmed and a woman could be overwhelmed

01:51:13.800 with preparing three meals a day and uh and peter doesn't just say like well she should learn to be

01:51:18.640 like a man he says no she she is weaker and she's going to have those difficulties so having a

01:51:23.380 patience or recognizing like yeah um some women and women on the whole on average uh they're

01:51:28.520 going to struggle with uh with planning with preparing um patience love joel anything to add

01:51:37.060 to that practically yeah that's good patience and love and um and you also can you know in patience

01:51:43.520 in love um you you should you know you should correct her a husband is allowed to correct his

01:51:50.420 wife um and and you know i mean that's what leadership is if you don't have any authority

01:51:56.040 then you're not the leader so if the husband really is the head of his wife and a position

01:52:01.980 of authority then uh then he's he is it's permissible he is at liberty to use that

01:52:08.480 authority in a loving manner so you're right first peter three uh live with your wives in

01:52:13.000 an understanding manner so there should be lots of understanding uh sympathy compassion for she

01:52:19.440 is the weaker vessel uh but also correction uh christ is the head of the church he lives with

01:52:26.580 the church in an understanding manner there's compassion there's patience there's grace but

01:52:32.060 there's also correction the bible is filled with a bunch of rebukes a bunch of commands a bunch of

01:52:37.980 correction a bunch of conviction for sin and so a husband is at liberty to do both not to do one

01:52:45.100 at the expense of the other shouldn't just be compassion without any correction where you're

01:52:51.240 just a pushover but it also shouldn't just be correction without any compassion you are commanded

01:52:56.140 to live with her in an understanding manner recognizing that she is the weaker vessel so i

01:53:00.580 think just doing your best uh to balance both of those correction and compassion yeah all right

01:53:06.020 next uh gabe bunker sent 1999 very kind thank you gabe i've never managed to catch an episode live

01:53:12.520 welcome my soon-to-be father-in-law is the head pastor at an sbc church and is painfully

01:53:17.520 dispensational but he's starting to listen to my disagreements on the topic any advice

01:53:22.780 just slow just take it slow yeah exactly don't push too far too fast take it slow be patient

01:53:30.280 and um and do it all with humility yeah honor an older man yeah and it really can be done if he

01:53:37.120 realizes you're a real person and you said father-in-law so you're marrying his daughter

01:53:40.820 you're a good man yeah like it's not enough to just be like well my theology is perfect i'll

01:53:45.260 argue about it all the time okay can you provide can you raise children can you love my daughter

01:53:49.340 make those things 95 of your interactions and positive and good and then those disagreements

01:53:55.720 like man this kid uh honestly he's a hard worker he's a sharp guy he's leading his family

01:54:00.600 he might be onto something here yep all right this is infernal five dollars he said uh networking

01:54:06.540 with people who believe demonic influence is a reality after a direct experience of it any advice 0.80

01:54:12.720 doing this in a non non hoe scaring way hoe scaring way scare the hose yeah okay um yeah i 0.87

01:54:21.280 i don't know um networking with people who believe demonic influences reality after direct 0.93

01:54:29.120 experience of it um yeah i don't know i don't know tough question yeah yeah the demonic is real

01:54:35.820 absolutely and um and demons still are able to influence people today it is real so recognizing

01:54:44.040 the reality of demonic influence and um in terms of not scaring people away i mean the biggest

01:54:50.140 thing with that is is not to minimize the threat of demons but to maximize the power of christ

01:54:56.320 say christ is lord the power of christ compels you a greater is he that is in you than he who

01:55:02.260 is in the world all right next uh question dapper dan he gave us ten dollars he said would you care

01:55:07.680 to debunk ali best stucky's feminine exegesis that she posted in response to the controversy

01:55:13.860 surrounding her uh unauthorized sermon at the tp usa uh conference recently i would have to see it

01:55:21.780 in order to do that and i have not seen it i don't plan on watching it but if enough people

01:55:27.220 last and i guess that's something that we could look into all right next one project uh aletheia

01:55:33.680 yep 999 uh responsibility without authority is slavery correct responsibility without authority

01:55:41.580 is slavery amen we are blessed to have brothers thank you yes support and the kind comment well

01:55:46.860 said uh camels are just better horses that's debatable but uh camels are just better horses

01:55:53.280 $5. Thank you. Says, how important is it for pastors to call men to physically train and

01:56:00.660 prepare for potential evils of the day? Example, family protection, church security, etc. I think

01:56:07.700 it's important. The Bible is pretty clear that physical training is of some value, not no value,

01:56:12.740 but some value. Spiritual training is of more value, but physical training is of some value.

01:56:18.520 So I don't think a pastor needs to step outside of his lane and pretend to be an expert in

01:56:25.580 a field where he's not.

01:56:27.340 So the pastor, he gets to be pastor.

01:56:30.140 So spiritual training is, number one, it's of more value.

01:56:33.240 But I guess my argument is this.

01:56:35.200 One, scripture says spiritual training is of more value than physical training.

01:56:39.380 So there's already should be an inclination to emphasize, prioritize the spiritual training

01:56:44.580 more.

01:56:45.800 But that's not even the big part of my argument.

01:56:47.880 the bigger part is the pastor um the pastor should be prioritizing spiritual training

01:56:54.620 because that's his job that's his realm in the same way that you know the physical trainer

01:57:00.340 if that's like there's another guy not the pastor a different guy in his vocation is that he's a

01:57:05.860 physical trainer he's probably going to if we're just looking at you know hours in the day he's

01:57:10.460 probably going to be spending 90 of his prioritization on physical training um and it's

01:57:16.260 like oh well the bible says physical training is some value but spiritual training is is more

01:57:20.320 valuable so this guy must be in sin because he's giving more emphasis and prioritizing physical

01:57:26.360 training more than uh spiritual training well no but that's his job that's that's his vocation

01:57:32.600 in the same way that you know somebody else might be an engineer and spend 12 hour days working as

01:57:37.520 an engineer and spend you know one hour uh when it comes to family worship and reading the scripture

01:57:43.140 in the home so he's in sin no um that's his vocation the bible makes it permissible for a

01:57:50.000 man to devote himself in a vocation and there are meaningful valid significant vocations outside of

01:57:57.980 the clergy so um so yes i think should pastors occasionally at least mention the fact that we're

01:58:06.220 not gnostics that gnosticism actually is a heresy that god created us both soul and body and that

01:58:12.160 the body and physical training is of some value and that part of our spiritual maturity is reflected

01:58:17.300 in our body for a guy to say i'm really i have great moral character and i also weigh 350 pounds

01:58:23.180 that that is a walking contradiction um should should that uh because that actually does have

01:58:28.280 spiritual implications and there are bible verses to back it up like gluttony being a sin so should

01:58:33.400 that be um part of a pastor's repertoire a part of his preaching part yes absolutely um but should 1.00

01:58:40.640 he you know pivot because the problem is so stark because we do have a bunch of gnostics in the 0.99

01:58:45.980 church today that think you know that the physical is of no account should a pastor therefore you 0.52

01:58:50.560 know commit an error in the other direction and become you know the physical training guru you

01:58:56.540 know with 90 of his emphasis no one because spiritual training is of more value but two

01:59:04.520 because he's a pastor, and so he should focus on the things where the Lord has called him. But yes,

01:59:11.660 to say this is a thing, it does matter, and I'm not going to start doing aerobics classes at church

01:59:17.860 on Sunday, but you should get your butt to the gym on Monday through Saturday. Not only is it

01:59:26.480 permissible, but given the lay of the land today, yeah, pastors probably need to say that periodically.

01:59:33.520 okay next all right philip schneider sent 20 euros thanks philip said i don't have a question

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