The NXR Podcast - THE LIVESTREAM - Ask Us Anything： Wrapping Up 2024 & Big Announcements For 2025!

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00:00:53.560 This is going to be our very last live stream of the year.

00:00:56.300 I am joined by my two friends, Michael and Wes.

00:00:59.240 As always, we're excited to be with you guys.

00:01:01.340 We're going to take next week off for Christmas, the following week off for New Year's, and

00:01:05.820 then we are going to be starting our new live streaming schedule is going to be instead

00:01:09.500 of once, we're going to do three times every single week.

00:01:12.440 We're going to start the first full week of January.

00:01:14.780 So January 6th, that Monday, will be our first live stream after this in the new year.

00:01:20.720 And we'll be doing Monday, and then we'll be doing the 8th Wednesday, and then the 10th

00:01:24.920 on Friday.

00:01:25.460 and we're going to be doing Monday, Wednesday, Friday, every single week, starting January 6th,

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00:01:35.560 new year, January 6th being the first one. This is the last one for this year. And with that new

00:01:40.760 schedule, again, it'll be Monday, Wednesday, Friday, 3 p.m. Central Time, and January 6th is

00:01:45.320 our first one. And just before we started recording, we were kind of just rolling around

00:01:50.660 the idea of maybe seeing if we can get Charles Haywood or somebody to hop on the show as a guest

00:01:57.060 with us during one of the segments and just kick it off with a bang. It's January 6th and talk about

00:02:02.420 what Trump needs to do with the J6ers and pardoning. And it's not just enough to pardon. 1.00

00:02:09.620 Remember that to wield power correctly, I once said at an Ogden conference and got grief about

00:02:14.740 it for like three months straight on the internet, typical, you know, anytime I say something,

00:02:19.320 and I'm going to get grief. But what I said was to wield power properly, we need to not just be

00:02:25.680 good to our friends, reward our friends, but also punish our enemies. So my prayer and hope is that

00:02:32.200 J6ers get pardoned by Trump, but that's not enough. That's the reward your friends. 1.00

00:02:38.700 But there's also the crushing your enemies portion that is absolutely vital. A bunch of

00:02:44.660 people need to go to jail. So some guys need to get out of jail, and then those who are actually

00:02:49.180 wicked need to be put in jail. And so we're going to probably talk about that as our first live

00:02:54.720 stream on January 6th, Monday, the year of our Lord, 2025. I think that'll be really good,

00:03:00.100 just for the record, because I always get in trouble with the, you know, reward your friends,

00:03:03.060 crush your enemies. Here's the deal. When I say that, what I'm saying is Christians,

00:03:07.380 not the church as an institute, but Christians who are part of the church, of course,

00:03:12.440 but they also make up various spheres of life. You have Christians in the civil magistrate,

00:03:16.660 you have Christians who are business owners, you have Christians in media, you have Christians who

00:03:19.820 are doctors, you have Christians in all these different spheres of life. So you as an individual

00:03:24.440 Christian, not the church institute, but individual Christians making up a collective in whatever

00:03:30.300 sphere of life the Lord has called them in terms of vocation as fathers and mothers and their

00:03:34.940 various jobs, using legal means, godly, righteous means, to punish those who do evil and reward or

00:03:44.220 praise those who do righteous. Christians, we want to have a Christian government, and a Christian

00:03:49.320 government would do Christian things. Romans 13, so Christians in the civil magistrate, in that

00:03:55.500 sphere, they would be rewarding, praising those who do good, and punishing those who do evil, 0.90

00:04:00.460 And putting people in jail for four years and lying about the charges and those kinds of things and what happened, that's evil.

00:04:09.500 So those people need to be punished.

00:04:11.500 Destroying their fathers, destroying their lives over nonviolent trespassing offenses.

00:04:15.980 Right.

00:04:16.540 Right.

00:04:16.980 So that'll probably be our first episode, January 6th.

00:04:19.320 Again, the schedule is going to be three times a week, Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, starting January 6th at 3 p.m. Central Time.

00:04:26.200 This is the last live stream of this year.

00:04:28.520 And we thought that we would land the plane this year by trying to dot I's and cross T's by answering questions from you guys.

00:04:35.480 What are some things that are outstanding over in your minds over the course of 2024 that you would like clarity on?

00:04:42.660 Maybe things that we've said, maybe, I don't know, maybe it's about the future.

00:04:46.900 Maybe we're going to get into some announcements and vision for, you know, the future.

00:04:50.180 But we also want to basically chart a course for next year and drop some vision and announcement and goals and things like that.

00:04:58.000 but we also want to try to wrap up loose ends for this year, 2024. So we've asked you guys

00:05:03.280 ahead of time. Some of you have posted some things on X. Some of you have posted things

00:05:07.300 on YouTube, but we want to try to deal with questions. Primarily, we're going to be looking

00:05:11.120 at the chat. Let me check with Nathan real quick. Were we able to live stream simultaneously on X

00:05:16.780 in addition to YouTube? Great. If anybody's listening on X, put something in the chat real

00:05:23.280 quick right now all i see is from youtube um so got a lot of people on youtube if you're watching

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00:05:33.580 pop up what's up hey fellas good to be here but it would just be in the comments yep yeah okay

00:05:38.900 all right our technician nathan he says it's working so uh if you're on x or on youtube uh

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00:05:49.700 getting some. Nathan, if you can start organizing those. We had a few that people got in preemptively

00:05:55.240 that I think we want to start with some of those. Is there one in particular that you guys want to

00:06:00.700 start with? There's one that you guys know I want to get to. Should we start with that one?

00:06:04.420 Yeah. Did you want to mention any of the...

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00:07:53.520 next year. Okay. So that's all that stuff. So I think we're probably ready to start getting

00:07:57.660 questions. First question. I don't know. Okay. Oh, yeah. So the first question is something that

00:08:05.620 i was not really asked in relation to us announcing this live stream uh doing a q a but uh it was

00:08:11.700 something that uh on the heels of last week so last week um i was in a great mood and uh and i

00:08:18.140 thought it was michael even said he was like hey this was really tame we didn't get in trouble

00:08:21.680 we were jovial yeah we're jovial uh there was no like super controversial topic that we breached

00:08:27.440 but we uh we still got in trouble so we i got in trouble yeah i got in trouble um what did i get

00:08:37.120 in trouble for oh oh i got in trouble um basically uh one of the things that i said and a few guys

00:08:43.460 came out and defended me and i appreciate that um but i said you know one of the things that

00:08:47.140 conservatives do and i and i said it just i said it jokingly um i was dead serious i absolutely

00:08:54.120 believe it because it's a fact uh but i said in a joking you know jovial kind of um demeanor um

00:09:01.220 and but part of the reason that i did it in that demeanor is because i literally i i didn't think

00:09:05.980 anybody would their right mind would disagree exactly so what i said was um anytime conservatives

00:09:11.440 want to take ground or hold the line or you know or make some kind of big you know faithful

00:09:17.520 conservative statement um they immediately think uh all right we need to say something that's true

00:09:22.500 Let's find a black man or a woman or someone other than a white heterosexual Christian man in order to make this point that we're about to make.

00:09:36.340 So we're about to say something, and we need somebody who's diverse in order to make this point for us.

00:09:43.900 And so then I said, you know, so conservatives will be thinking, you know, like, all right, we need, you know, quick, we need to hold the line here or make a statement there.

00:09:50.960 quick, somebody on speed dial, call Samuel Say, call Allie Beth Stuckey. And I got in big trouble

00:09:56.740 for this. I was not saying that Samuel Say has never said anything good. I'm just saying that

00:10:05.100 that sentiment of conservatives, especially conservative Christians, and especially

00:10:09.020 conservative Christian pastors, to think, I can't just say this, I need to get somebody else to say

00:10:15.560 is that is a wrong inclination.

00:10:18.640 It's absolutely wrong.

00:10:20.200 But I did say, so Samuel said, whatever, that's fine.

00:10:23.980 But with Allie Beth, I went one step further.

00:10:25.940 And sorry, Joel, just to be clear,

00:10:27.280 you also weren't saying that if a black man says something,

00:10:30.760 it's inherently less well thought through.

00:10:34.380 No.

00:10:34.720 Or less.

00:10:35.480 Not inherently.

00:10:36.140 Right. 1.00

00:10:36.640 Could be, depends on the black man. 1.00

00:10:37.860 Well, sure, absolutely. 1.00

00:10:38.780 Which one?

00:10:39.940 That's the case for any person.

00:10:40.940 Yeah, exactly.

00:10:41.660 So it depends on who it is.

00:10:42.800 Exactly. 0.77

00:10:43.080 Depends on the white man, depends on the black man. 0.99

00:10:44.720 Are you saying that, you know, if a black guy says something, it's just it's it's immediately inferior.

00:10:49.360 No, that was not what we were saying.

00:10:51.020 The point was, sure, let Samuel say, say it.

00:10:54.120 But the white guy should be saying it, too.

00:10:57.440 You don't have to wait for him to come or call him specifically in order to be, you know, the flying geese.

00:11:02.140 He's the one, you know, at at, you know, the point man who's going to, you know, take on the resistance.

00:11:07.060 And he has to be, you know, at the tip of the spear, you know, to come out and say it first.

00:11:10.220 That was the point.

00:11:12.040 So anyway, so so that's, you know, Samuel say that's fine.

00:11:14.720 ali beth though i went one step further and i said um yeah we don't need to pick up the phone

00:11:19.040 and call samuel say we also don't need to do it with ali beth and i said um ali beth says some

00:11:23.420 really good strong courageous true things and i'd love to see her uh say more of that right um in

00:11:29.180 her home with her children that's that's and that's what got me in trouble all right so i'll

00:11:34.520 pause for a second what do you guys think about what do you what do you think about that that

00:11:38.140 statement that i made i think i think what you're saying is a woman's primary focus and role in

00:11:45.820 ministry is in her home yep yep it blows my mind that uh you saw especially 2015 to 2020 man like

00:11:52.540 secular culture that was all the rage standpoint epistemology we got to bring someone else in

00:11:56.920 because only a woman only a black person only a black woman only a black trans woman could ever

00:12:01.820 be able to truly tell us what it's like to experience this so sure that's secular and

00:12:06.020 then the church said man that's awesome what if we did the same thing here let's do our panel on

00:12:10.900 racism let's bring in our token minority so it's just it blows my mind that christians would think

00:12:15.700 the one you got to do that too that i i'd be remiss if i didn't mention um is uh i i really

00:12:21.960 do think was uh voty bacham voty bacham in 2012 right he was one of the first he was one of the

00:12:27.340 first guys so it wasn't just like hey we're gonna get him because he's an uncle tom you know and he

00:12:33.160 You know, so he'll do our bidding for us, you know.

00:12:36.640 Like, he was actually doing the noticing, as the kids say,

00:12:42.500 before pretty much anybody else.

00:12:45.800 2012, I think it was 2012 that he coined the phrase

00:12:49.140 ethnic Gnosticism.

00:12:53.020 Cultural Marxism. 0.88

00:12:54.320 Yeah, cultural Marxism and ethnic Gnosticism.

00:12:56.720 And ethnic Gnosticism was essentially standpoint epistemology,

00:13:01.400 that you can, epistemology being, you know, how do we know what we know? How do we come to know 0.50

00:13:07.120 things? And standpoint epistemology, meaning that based off of your whatever, if you're black or

00:13:15.600 if you're levels, you know, intersections of oppression, the more of those that you have,

00:13:21.460 if you're black, plus a woman, plus a lesbian, plus whatever else, then, you know, then you are

00:13:29.220 an elite enlightened individual who can uh you know know many many many things that other people

00:13:35.640 can't so anyways voti was one of the first guys um beating that drum which um i'm super grateful

00:13:40.580 for um okay what were we talking about well you i thought you were going to clarify what you said

00:13:45.500 about um as a general rule you don't have women on the show anymore yeah so okay so that's how i

00:13:51.580 got in trouble people didn't like what i said about you know ali beth i basically said like

00:13:55.340 MacArthur with Beth Moore, you know, go home. I basically, you know, I said a little nicer than

00:13:59.640 MacArthur said, but I, but I, you know, that same sentiment and I applied it to Ali Bestucki

00:14:04.500 and people didn't like that. And so, because they didn't like it, one of the things that

00:14:07.480 they brought up is, well, this seems hypocritical. You've had women on the show. I think the last

00:14:12.460 woman that I had on the show, and that's true. The last woman that I had on the show was Rosaria

00:14:17.060 Butterfield who is I think the best of conservative women because she doesn't to my knowledge she 1.00

00:14:26.320 doesn't have like a regular you know podcast certainly not a regular podcast where she's you 1.00

00:14:31.080 know going out of the home into a company studio five times a week you know doing hair and makeup

00:14:37.200 you know so you got the drive time you got the hair and makeup you got prep with your team those

00:14:41.160 kinds of things and then going in and then recording and then coming back you know where

00:14:45.260 it's, it really is a full-time job. Um, but Rosaria, uh, pretty much anytime, uh, I've even

00:14:51.340 seen anything with her, uh, it looks like, you know, webcam at home and it's, uh, and it's not

00:14:56.440 a regular weekly thing, certainly not a daily thing. It's usually, uh, she writes a book about

00:15:01.080 once every five or six years. And whenever she writes a book, she does the circuit, she makes

00:15:06.080 the rounds and goes on people's podcasts. And so this was right after her most recent book. I think,

00:15:10.840 i can't remember five lies yeah the five lies book uh-huh so i asked her to come on the show

00:15:15.120 a lot of other guys that that you know are friends and uh had had her on the show and i was like that

00:15:19.980 that seems like a good idea i'll have her on the show she did great uh the show's still available

00:15:24.520 you can check it out i don't plan on taking it down uh but that was the last time and uh after

00:15:29.640 that i decided you know what rosario is great nothing wrong about rosario and i think she does 0.66

00:15:34.840 this in the best way possible right it's not her day job um she is predominantly domestic she's in

00:15:41.740 the home and she's older yeah exactly she doesn't have a toddler she doesn't have a baby exactly so

00:15:47.780 she has grown children she's a grandma she has she's very involved with her grandchildren but

00:15:52.080 she has spare time because grandchildren are different than you know young children um that

00:15:56.520 are yours and um and she's doing it you know on a five-year cycle where she makes the rounds

00:16:01.500 of blah, blah, blah related to a book. So that's probably the best way to do it. But I thought, 1.00

00:16:06.180 you know, I can, I don't have time, nor is it really particularly helpful for me to explain

00:16:11.520 that every single time, you know, once every five years when I have Rosario on the show,

00:16:15.200 you know, or somebody else that's in that kind of orbit, you know, who's similar. It's just going

00:16:21.740 to be difficult to explain this every single time. The simplest solution is I probably should just,

00:16:28.420 everybody knows my patriarchal stance and i probably should just try for the sake of simplicity 0.99

00:16:34.320 and clarity and consistency uh to not have women any longer and i made that decision i think around

00:16:40.980 the same time eric khan made the same decision because he had nancy piercey around the same

00:16:45.620 time that i had wasaria butterfield because she had just written a book something something about 1.00

00:16:50.360 toxic masculinity exactly against it she was saying yeah she was not toxic yeah yeah she was 0.92

00:16:55.360 And she was in defense of masculinity being a good thing.

00:16:58.800 But she wrote her book and I didn't interview her, but I did interview Rosaria, I think Eric Kahn on Hard Man Podcast.

00:17:07.260 He interviewed Nancy Piercy and got some grief after that, you know, and was like, yeah, I guess, honestly, Hard Man Podcast probably should have men, you know.

00:17:16.680 And so I remember talking, you know, offline, me and Eric about that.

00:17:20.140 And we both kind of were like, yeah, we, you know, like we have our caveats.

00:17:24.180 We have our reasons for why this is actually an exception and this falls within the biblical

00:17:29.100 mode and that we're not, you know, but it still could, you know, it could still cause

00:17:34.840 people to stumble where it's like, well, Joel had a woman on the podcast.

00:17:37.360 And so some, you know, 30 year old woman with, you know, four kids in the home who are all

00:17:41.740 underneath, you know, the age of eight years old decides I'm going to podcast every day

00:17:45.920 for hours, you know, I, you know, so anyways, so that was the decision.

00:17:50.420 And then I think the final thing was some people pointed out, they were like,

00:17:54.180 Well, Joel went on Ali Beth's show and then Ali Beth, you know, she, she, you know, she couldn't miss an opportunity to, to go ahead and just get that little dunk on your boy, dunk on him. And so, so she's like, yeah. And he paid for it. And so, so I just thought I'd clarify that you're probably going to still hate me. That's fine. Whatever. I'm not going to win you over, but I'll give my answer. 0.56

00:18:15.260 So it was 2020, I believe it was, I don't know, April, May, sometime in the first half of the

00:18:20.180 year, maybe mid-year, maybe it was June. It was during COVID. I was pastoring in Southern

00:18:25.400 California at the time, and I just finished writing my first book. It was a simple little

00:18:32.640 book, but basically I preached through 1 John on the Lord's Day with the church, and then I took

00:18:40.620 all my manuscripts and things like that and outlines and put that into a book form, like a

00:18:46.920 devotional style book on the assurance of salvation. And I titled the book, Am I Truly Saved?

00:18:52.360 And so when I finished that, I wanted to try to somehow get it out there. And so I believe there

00:18:58.660 was only two, this is four and a half years ago, so it's hard to remember, but Just Thinking

00:19:04.000 podcast virgil walker and daryl harrison um i had some measure relationship with them still have

00:19:11.160 some some relationship with virgil who i think i live he's a good guy and so i reached out to them

00:19:16.240 and said hey um can i run an ad for my book on your on on an episode of your show and they said

00:19:22.920 sure and um and then you know i also asked like you think i could come on you know and uh and

00:19:29.760 they didn't really have guests it was just the two of them and um and also i'm white and virgil

00:19:34.920 said you're white joe i can't have no i'm just kidding no it's because i'm white no it's not

00:19:39.220 um and so they're like no we're not gonna have you on um no no harm no foul uh but yeah we'll

00:19:44.700 run an ad and i paid them i think you know based off of their show size at the time you know it

00:19:48.820 wasn't super massive then and so i think it cost i these are spitballing numbers but i think it was

00:19:53.820 like 250 bucks something like that to run it on one episode so we ran the commercial for my little

00:19:58.640 book over First John, Assurance of Salvation, Am I Truly Saved? Paid them $250. Same thing,

00:20:04.080 reached out to Ali Bestucki and said, can I advertise my book? So it wasn't, can I pay you

00:20:08.700 to come on the show? It was, can we pay you to advertise my book? And same thing, I think hers

00:20:13.800 was like $750 because she had a bigger platform and I think it was a fair price. And we're like,

00:20:19.020 sure, we'll pay you $750 to advertise our book. And then we also, as soon as they said yes to

00:20:25.020 the advertisement of the book, not paying for airtime, but paying for advertising the book.

00:20:30.000 Then I said, also, I'm working through COVID and these kinds of things and trying to take a stand

00:20:35.460 in California, which is we got Governor Nusolemi and the restrictions are insane. And I know that

00:20:42.140 you've been talking about COVID and those kinds of things. Everybody has. Would you be willing

00:20:46.020 to have me on for a segment? And she agreed and said, yes. So I went on because I was wanting to

00:20:50.720 get the word out. Paid for an advertisement of the book, wanted to get the word out about that.

00:20:56.180 And then I went on the show because I wanted to get the word out about why pastors, particularly

00:21:00.780 pastors in California, needed to be courageous about COVID. And that was four and a half years

00:21:05.100 ago. And here's a crazy thing. I said it on X a few days ago, but not everybody knows it. Not

00:21:11.980 everybody sees all my tweets. So I'll say it right now. I, and I know this is rough, but I have

00:21:19.500 actually changed my views over time i've actually been in development um as a human being i am not

00:21:30.260 the same yesterday today and forever um behold i am joel i changes yes i am not immutable but

00:21:39.940 rather mutable in fact and this one is really crazy it will probably freak a lot of you guys

00:21:43.960 out but um when i was born i didn't even know how to talk i had to learn how to speak

00:21:49.480 embarrassing it's embarrassing like so like even my ability to speak is is uh constitutes a

00:21:56.260 development and change um of my person and so um pretty crazy i know uh that's enough explaining

00:22:02.460 like there's a certain point where it's like i want to offer clarity for the good faith people

00:22:06.040 but here's the thing that's tough about this because we debate it like should we even say

00:22:09.220 anything west was like screw him don't say anything like yeah you didn't say that but but

00:22:14.620 you you're right like yeah essentially that's you know you're like forget them like um and and what

00:22:19.300 and west i think is sharp about these things what you were saying uh when i brought up like hey i

00:22:24.920 think i want to clarify this you know because i'm getting dragged as the kids would say and you're

00:22:29.020 like no like uh he said because it's a it's a one in 100 ratio of good faith people who actually

00:22:36.420 they're confused and simply require clarity right and then the 99 people who hate you and have hated

00:22:43.020 you consistently all the way back to two and a half years ago because uh you told your wife not

00:22:48.800 to read a book on pedo-baptism and that you would read it together with her at a later time right

00:22:53.240 because you're a credo-baptist pastor um in other words people just hate you they just they've like

00:22:59.380 most people have already made up their mind um and they're gonna like this will mean nothing

00:23:04.500 your explanations your clarity it doesn't matter what excuse it doesn't matter what details we're

00:23:09.040 missing you know in the conversation you provide those details it's like here's an ironclad case

00:23:13.580 of like one i was wrong and i've changed by god's grace that's that's usually if you catch me in

00:23:19.240 inconsistency that'll always be one of my um one of the things that i'll say in a response and i

00:23:23.640 don't think i really said it clearly so let me say it clearly now um i was wrong and i changed

00:23:28.620 You can find, every couple weeks, people find the picture of me standing outside on a stage

00:23:35.580 in like a grassy knoll with a couple other officers of the church when I was still in

00:23:40.780 California wearing the mask behind the pulpit. It was the last Sunday of April. We were doing

00:23:47.060 church outdoors. It was still illegal to do so in outdoor service at the time. We were way ahead of

00:23:51.220 most churches. And we couldn't meet inside. We would have, but we couldn't meet inside because

00:23:56.980 we didn't have our own building. We got kicked out of the place that we're meeting in.

00:24:00.620 But the point is, everybody will say, oh, you're courageous? Well, look at this picture.

00:24:05.160 And I have my clarifications. The clarifications are, look, this is seven weeks into COVID. We

00:24:10.460 beat John MacArthur by 10 weeks, and everybody praises him for his courage with COVID. We were

00:24:15.160 meeting 10 weeks before he started meeting, and we weren't meeting inside because we didn't have

00:24:21.360 an inside. We literally didn't have a building. Nobody would let us. We reached out to other

00:24:25.020 churches are like, no, we don't want you to get your germs in our church. And I wore the mask

00:24:29.520 because a lot of the congregation said they wouldn't come back unless I did. And a third of

00:24:34.300 them didn't come back even with the mask, at least right away, they waited. And so I have my

00:24:39.780 explanations. However, however, here's the biggest one, the biggest explanation, whether it's with,

00:24:46.940 you know, going on Allie Beth Stuckey's show, or whether it's wearing the mask, you know, in April 0.99

00:24:52.780 2020 as I'm doing an outdoor service, which is absolutely stupid. People are like 50 yards away 0.99

00:24:57.600 from me and I'm wearing a mask. So here's the first and most important explanation. And I

00:25:02.400 missed it earlier, so I need to hit it now. I was wrong. I'm a human being. I'm fallible. And

00:25:09.460 my strategy in ministry is not to just offer clarification and clarification. This is what

00:25:16.520 you'll see most pastors will do. They'll say, you think you caught me in inconsistency. You think

00:25:21.300 you just discovered an example where I'm wrong. But surprise, surprise, you are wrong. You are

00:25:27.540 wrong in understanding me. You are wrong in your ability to listen to me. You are wrong in not

00:25:31.500 going over my full repertoire of all my work. You're wrong, not me. I don't want to do that.

00:25:39.660 I was wrong. COVID, we were in the top 5% of churches in terms of how quickly we came back

00:25:47.840 and our courage. Yep. But also we missed five weeks of church and that was wrong. So for five

00:25:55.000 weeks, I was wrong. The first quarter of my sermon, the first 15 minutes of my sermon,

00:26:00.580 first time we started gathering again, was repentance for shutting down church for five

00:26:04.980 weeks. That was wrong. That was sin. I sinned. I sinned. And the fact that my congregation wanted

00:26:11.400 me to sin right that doesn't matter like how many kings of israel in the bible say but the people

00:26:17.840 like saw like oh the people you know but like yeah it doesn't matter um it doesn't matter i i i still

00:26:23.680 ultimately uh chose to do that so i was wrong um for five weeks on covid um i was um i don't think

00:26:31.460 it was wrong to go on out like if candace owens asked me to go on her show i would go on her show

00:26:35.180 i think or cnn called you and right exactly like uh or what was it a laura um ingram uh is that fox

00:26:43.040 nate yeah yeah like like if fox asked and it was and it was a female host instead of a male host 1.00

00:26:49.140 i would go on do i think that she should be doing that i think she probably should be a mom and stay

00:26:53.500 at home that's what i think you guys know that that's that's what i think so no i don't think

00:26:57.260 she should be doing it uh but would i be willing to go on the news to reach um a an audience a

00:27:03.260 thousand times bigger than ours on something that I thought was important and needed to be talked

00:27:07.160 about, like Israel? Yeah, I would. Of course I would. And so paying to advertise a book

00:27:16.540 on a podcast, I don't think is necessarily wrong. I have the clarifications. So I really,

00:27:22.560 I was wrong. COVID, I had my clarifications. We're ahead of most people, but I still got it

00:27:28.140 wrong for five weeks. It doesn't matter. I still got it wrong. I sent, I was wrong. The Alibeth

00:27:31.720 the one i really don't think is a sin we paid to advertise a book and i asked if i could come on

00:27:35.460 the platform and talk about covid um in addition to that so that i don't actually think is wrong

00:27:39.520 but i have had so everyone was like i got you here's your inconsistency i actually don't think

00:27:44.080 that works because i would still do that to this day if candace owens asked me to come on on her

00:27:47.700 show i would do it um i would um if she personally asked me do you think i should be doing this i

00:27:52.800 would say no go home go home let somebody else do it um but i would go on her show and i would use

00:28:00.180 those means, that platform, to reach as many people as possible today in the present. And I

00:28:06.220 don't think that's an inconsistency. But I would say that where people did get me is not so much

00:28:11.960 you went on Ali's show, but I have had women on my show. And I've tried to have women, whether

00:28:16.720 it's Rosario Butterfield, who's not podcasting all the time, but primarily just a wife and a 0.99

00:28:21.560 grandmother or even um some of the moscow um girls um like like rachel jankovic uh who is a mom of

00:28:29.540 seven and is there's there's a dynamic difference in ali bestucky um five times a week going out of

00:28:34.960 the home to a a commercial studio hair and makeup you know hours of time um that that is different 0.57

00:28:41.600 than rachel jankovic in her home right um or lexi sovee yeah or exactly so lexi sovee is she

00:28:47.480 no there is and this is why some of the nuances actually do matter um lexi sauve is recording

00:28:53.800 audio only i don't know they might have started video but historically audio only in bed with her

00:29:02.520 husband after all the kids are asleep once uh once a week and probably not even that because they

00:29:07.960 usually aren't that consistent and miss weeks um i don't think that's wrong she's neglecting

00:29:12.940 nothing and her husband's right there with her on the show leading the conversation and

00:29:17.160 And the show is not about political philosophy.

00:29:21.900 It's not about teaching seminary students to become pastors.

00:29:27.640 It's on the home.

00:29:29.140 It's called Bright Hearth.

00:29:30.360 It's on the home.

00:29:31.300 So there is a difference here.

00:29:33.500 So it's not just, you know, so typically the women that I've had on the show have been that kind of scenario.

00:29:39.340 your Rosaria types, or Alexi type, or Rachel Jankovic, who is not doing five times, you know,

00:29:45.060 a week going out of, you know, leaving the kids and going out of the home, but is recording

00:29:49.220 occasionally, typically from her home during a nap time or whatever. So that does matter.

00:29:54.900 That said, though, I still think, here's the big one, I still think I was wrong. I think for this,

00:30:01.140 right now, feminism is so pervasive in the church, in the world, certainly, but even in the church,

00:30:06.540 It is so pervasive that for a while, even though I know those clarifications and nuances, it is probably not helpful with just the broader optic to continue putting forward, conveying the idea that women belong in the public sphere as public voices, leading discourse, because predominantly, they don't. 0.98

00:30:30.900 They don't. 0.96

00:30:32.120 Now, when I have Rachel Jenkin, again, it's not how should—I had you on the show to

00:30:37.340 talk about how men should be more courageous.

00:30:39.560 No. 1.00

00:30:40.700 Like, I had her to talk about women's ministry, and predominantly how there shouldn't be 1.00

00:30:45.300 one. 0.55

00:30:45.640 There shouldn't be a formal women's ministry in the church, and that women learn alongside 0.82

00:30:49.280 their husbands on the Lord's Day from the biblically qualified elders as they preach

00:30:52.960 the word faithfully.

00:30:54.180 Rosario Butterfield, it was very much mom-oriented.

00:30:57.480 I mean, she kept saying that over and over.

00:30:59.180 Exactly.

00:30:59.880 So those are all my explanations.

00:31:03.340 I think they matter, but that's all you ever hear.

00:31:07.280 Let's be honest, like from older men, from older pastors,

00:31:09.780 that's all you ever hear is it's your fault.

00:31:11.620 You misunderstood.

00:31:12.840 I'm right.

00:31:14.040 I'm not going to give repentance.

00:31:15.880 I'm not going to give an apology.

00:31:16.940 I'm just going to give a clarification.

00:31:18.280 So I would like to finish.

00:31:19.600 I gave all the clarifications,

00:31:20.620 but I'd like to finish on the note of an apology.

00:31:23.200 COVID, yeah, we were early,

00:31:25.280 but I still missed five weeks and that was sin.

00:31:27.200 I was wrong.

00:31:28.060 I'm sorry.

00:31:29.240 So next time you see that picture

00:31:30.340 and you just wanna, you know,

00:31:32.540 somebody saying, Joel's not really courageous,

00:31:34.480 feel free to answer for me.

00:31:35.520 You can just comment under that picture on X

00:31:37.300 and say, yeah, you're right.

00:31:40.060 He exercised some courage,

00:31:41.420 but he wasn't courageous enough.

00:31:43.100 And he said, he's sorry.

00:31:46.440 And he's learned from it.

00:31:47.280 He's gonna be more courageous next time.

00:31:49.480 And then, well, Joel's had women on his show. 0.88

00:31:52.180 If it's the Ali Beth thing, 0.52

00:31:53.260 yeah, Joel paid for his book to be advertised.

00:31:54.940 It's not a big deal.

00:31:56.040 And then asked if he could come on the show

00:31:57.660 to talk about COVID. 0.56

00:31:59.400 But yeah, he's had women on his show.

00:32:01.500 Yeah, to talk about womenly things 1.00

00:32:03.580 and women who aren't boss babes in three-piece suits, 1.00

00:32:06.260 but are webcam from home as the kids are taking a nap. 1.00

00:32:10.700 But the larger optic, we don't need,

00:32:14.780 I think men should hold this space of public discourse.

00:32:18.780 And so again, Joel says he's sorry.

00:32:20.920 And that's his new policy going forward.

00:32:22.340 And that's been my policy for about a year.

00:32:24.000 So there you go.

00:32:25.280 That's the big controversy from last week.

00:32:27.660 I thought there'd be zero controversy.

00:32:29.260 There was a ton.

00:32:29.960 Let's go to our first commercial break.

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00:32:34.520 We'll talk about it.

00:32:35.200 And then, boom, it's your questions.

00:32:36.740 The rest of the show will give you a full hour from here.

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00:39:19.840 conference box oh yeah in about 10 seconds yep all right so pull it up uh so here are your speakers

00:39:25.880 so we've got uh steve dace um pre-millennial more on the disby side more than i would like

00:39:33.880 here's the deal i love steve he's a fighter uh when everybody else is being a coward he's fighting

00:39:39.600 um i like steve can't make me not like him um the guy was going hard for ron desantis my goodness

00:39:46.160 it was insufferable at times but as soon as he lost the primary yeah um what does steve do he

00:39:51.960 said um i'm not a never i'm not going to be in the real world he lives in the real world exactly

00:39:57.080 he fights with this is all right it's like jackie chan i got a ladder that's my weapon oh i got a

00:40:02.380 pipe that's my weapon i'll fight with whatever i got and so he's like yeah i think ron desantis is

00:40:06.380 the better guy uh ron desantis didn't make it and uh and so i'm gonna vote for trump so anyways i

00:40:11.480 I, like Steve, have benefited from his ministry and his podcast. He's coming. I'm excited about

00:40:16.380 that. New speaker, new announcement was Calvin Robinson. I got to go on his show last week,

00:40:21.760 two weeks ago, and talk about the subject of Israel and how Christians should view Israel

00:40:26.500 and that the Judeo-Christian phrase is a psyop. It's a misnomer. It's an oxymoron. We should get

00:40:35.180 it out of our vocabulary. And then we've got Orr McIntyre, who I think is honestly, in terms of

00:40:40.100 political philosophy he's one of the uh the brightest um and very very well-read uh young

00:40:46.260 minds uh right now that you have uh in the public space and uh so check out his system yeah he was

00:40:52.220 a public school teacher no no he was he was in politics i think he worked for a couple campaigns

00:40:56.680 but he was also well yes he was also a public school teacher and then yeah so or mcintyre and

00:41:01.840 he's become a friend he's uh got some great stuff we've got stephen wolf the author of uh the case

00:41:05.900 for Christian nationalism, we've got Brian Sauve, who is lead pastor of Refuge Church in Ogden. He's

00:41:12.620 one of the co-hosts for Haunted Cosmos. He's also on the King's Hall podcast. We've got Andrew

00:41:18.580 Isker. He just wrote the Boniface option. And then in terms of guys that we added, Calvin

00:41:23.300 Robinson is one of them, but related to Isker, we also added CJ Engel. You'll find him down there.

00:41:27.780 You see him on the bottom. CJ Engel is the co-host with Pastor Andrew Isker for their podcast called

00:41:33.740 Contramundum. Again, good theology, but also good political philosophy. CJ is a great political

00:41:41.900 mind, especially for his age. Very well-read, very well-spoken, and their podcast is a huge

00:41:49.520 blessing. Then we've got John Harris. He's going to be coming at the conference. He leads his

00:41:55.240 podcast, His Conversation That Matters. He's written two or three, at least two great books,

00:42:00.280 uh uh uprooting dismantling um social justice within the church and he was he was i gave

00:42:06.440 odie bauckham credit um so to make sure that a white guy gets some credit too because he actually

00:42:11.080 deserves it john harris was way early yeah way early calling these things out in the sbc calling

00:42:17.160 out um calling out al moeller even and uh some of the guys that he was appointing and platforming

00:42:23.400 within southern seminary um way before it became cool to call out wokeness uh john harris was

00:42:28.840 was talking about in 2015, 2014, very early. Eric Kahn, he's also on the King's Hall podcast and a

00:42:36.380 pastor with Brian at Refuge Church. Since we're on that topic, we'll go ahead and switch over to

00:42:41.620 Dan Burkholder. He is also at Refuge Church. He's a pastor. He's on the King's Hall. You got Ben

00:42:46.100 Garrett. That's the other co-host with Brian Silvey on Haunted Cosmos. He's a deacon, soon to

00:42:52.120 be a pastor at Refuge Church in Ogden. So we've got all the Ogden boys. Aidy Robles. You've got

00:42:58.560 the A.D. Robles show that he does on the Fight, Laugh, Feast network. He's also on our board

00:43:02.160 of the Right Response Ministries. A.D. Robles, known as the reasonable Latino. Here's his

00:43:07.780 superpower. A.D. Robles has almost nearly infallible instincts. He talked about early

00:43:15.720 adopter, him like John Harris, early adopter, seeing all the problems with social justice.

00:43:20.680 A.D. Robles will just cook out seven-minute videos on YouTube, talk to you in a very blue-collar

00:43:27.040 fashion, not because he couldn't, you know, make it more intellectual, because he's capable of

00:43:30.700 that. Talked to you in a blue-collar fashion for seven minutes on YouTube, and the moment

00:43:36.220 something happens in the world, the moment something happens in evangelicalism or in the

00:43:40.160 reform camp, AD will, his hot take is the right take. He's got almost every time. Yeah. He just

00:43:48.640 sniffs it out. He knows. Spidey sense, whatever you want to call it. It's impressive, and he's a

00:43:52.080 great friend. Then we've got the Christian prince himself, Dusty Devers, senator. Dusty Devers,

00:43:56.100 pastor and a senator and then we also have uh my friend david reese he's the head of reese funds

00:44:01.500 uh a reese fund and he's also the head of armored republic but he's also a local pastor

00:44:05.780 of puritan reform church is that right nathan yes puritan reform church uh in the larger phoenix

00:44:11.280 area in arizona and um and so we've got we've got guys who uh do not like theonomy we've got guys

00:44:18.780 who are hardcore theonomy.

00:44:20.660 We've got guys who are a little disfee.

00:44:23.480 And then we've got about 14 guys who are not.

00:44:28.220 And we've got, I mean, we've got the whole gambit here.

00:44:31.340 We've got a high church Anglican.

00:44:33.140 We've got Calvin Robinson.

00:44:35.540 Because, here's the deal,

00:44:36.960 the theme of the conference is how to defeat trash world.

00:44:40.060 We will be talking theology.

00:44:42.000 We will be talking about the church to Christians.

00:44:45.020 But we are also talking politics.

00:44:46.980 We are talking culture.

00:44:48.220 we're talking how to defeat trash world and for calvin uh just to land on him because he's the

00:44:53.660 big new announcement we talked you know him and him and i did a phone call we were talking about

00:44:57.860 it and we've asked him specifically to come and talk about um what happened in england because

00:45:03.720 he's he's a brit england is lost yep and so he's like england has fallen and so um especially

00:45:09.480 london um and so calvin's going to come and talk about uh this is what i personally witnessed

00:45:13.940 happened in england which is what uh um trash world is what happened in england is happening

00:45:19.980 and then him saying it's happening here yep um but america is is behind in a good way um england

00:45:27.700 it's uh it's it's possible right uh to stop it but it's going to be hard america it's going to

00:45:33.860 be hard but um it's like catching the cancer at stage two or stage three right instead of stage

00:45:38.640 four and so um that's why we're asking him we're asking calvin to come because he's going to talk

00:45:42.900 about his firsthand experience of this is what happened in england this is how it's happening

00:45:47.200 right here in your country and here are some of the things i've learned about how to stop it so

00:45:50.940 that's the conference all right rest of the time questions all right we're gonna get to as many as

00:45:55.820 possible there might be some we might not be able to answer them but we've logged them for hopefully

00:45:59.820 some topics next year yeah we're streaming a lot and so there'll be more time to answer some

00:46:03.500 questions some thoughts some insights that you guys had all right so i'm going to go with just

00:46:06.980 first you announced this yesterday some posts that people responded to you before the stream

00:46:11.100 even started then we'll get to kind of in chronological order throwing some super chats

00:46:14.600 psalm warfare on x hey long time listener first time caller you shared the goals for right response

00:46:19.500 ministries but what's one personal goal from each of you michael i'll start with you well i didn't

00:46:25.260 know it's one i'm gonna beef up on my uh knowledge of economics i'm gonna lose 30 pounds love it

00:46:31.320 that's great joel

00:46:32.600 beef up i'll go ahead and go go ahead all right i've actually got three they all relate to threes

00:46:41.620 third child third house by god's grace we have a rental home i want to continue to build real

00:46:46.000 estate and then um so third child through that and then bench 300 pounds for my 30th birthday

00:46:51.340 i'll be 30 in april that's also bench 300 third child by god's grace and hopefully buy a third

00:46:57.120 property that's great great goals um i was going to say uh beef up some of my um political knowledge

00:47:03.160 um like political philosophy not like current politics and what's happening right now

00:47:08.020 but understanding of politics and then um uh personal investments i want to um continue to

00:47:18.020 grow in my investment knowledge and i've been learning a lot about that uh this year jerome

00:47:23.420 powell uh today just he literally just got on the stage and said uh hey you guys having a good time

00:47:28.920 you all you all feeling pretty good feeling good about you know christmas end of the year

00:47:33.180 yeah he came out he's like everybody's feeling good great okay let's well that stops now

00:47:38.020 that happy feeling dump it um his heart was three sizes which here's the deal like wall street uh

00:47:45.140 has their immediate reaction within i think a few days definitely um by by january but hopefully

00:47:52.160 sooner within a few days uh what they're going to realize is basically the sentiment is this that

00:47:56.480 trump is going to be so good for the economy and um and tariffs are going to be good for the

00:48:02.580 american people that there's so many things that are so bullish for 2025 um that uh that the fed

00:48:09.040 is not going to give us the the previous promise three rate we got the rate cut today 25 basis

00:48:14.220 um rate cut but we're going to get three next year and now it might be two and maybe it might

00:48:19.280 be one or maybe one yeah or maybe one and uh and so the market's like well that's terrible and

00:48:23.540 tesla you know is just a car company and so rate cuts is the only hope that tesla has and like you

00:48:27.900 guys don't you don't understand the world but um you're crazy but uh anyways it's like okay we

00:48:33.320 might get less rate cuts because the economy is going to be incredibly good and watch wall street

00:48:37.680 will realize that within a week so and everything the market will bounce back but uh i think we'll

00:48:41.760 get a vca recovery that said um i want to understand more about investments and here's

00:48:47.440 why in terms of goals um because it has become uh just glaringly obvious to me over this last year

00:48:54.860 that i for the sake of my family um out of love for them um i need to be bulletproof

00:49:01.160 i need to be bulletproof because um i fully expect bullets yep to come my way like i need

00:49:09.840 to be able um even like with right response i want to um i want to be in a position to where

00:49:16.240 I do not have to be financially supported by the church. There's good biblical principles for why

00:49:20.460 that's a good thing to do, but I don't want to need it. I don't want to have to be paid by the

00:49:25.200 church. I would like to be able to personally fund Right Response. I'm nowhere near that,

00:49:31.180 but I would like to be able to... If everyone canceled me, because I think that's going to

00:49:36.720 happen, honestly. They already tried. I think there'll be another try. Eventually, one of the

00:49:42.180 bullet's going to hit me. And I need to, by the time that bullet, luckily my opponents have bad

00:49:47.200 aim, but eventually, you know, um, the storm troopers might actually, you know, hit me. And,

00:49:52.600 and if they do, um, by that time, my goal financially speaking is to have a bulletproof

00:49:57.520 vest on, um, so that I don't die. And, uh, and my wife and kids are destitute. I've seen what

00:50:05.080 they've done to um yeah to men good men uh ruined their livelihood and um and very much i mean there

00:50:13.720 are thousands of christians who want to do that to me and it's not just oh we care about the purity 0.91

00:50:18.580 and protection of christ churches but we hate joel webin and we want his kids to starve that

00:50:23.540 they truly do uh whether it's dragging up um uh the past there's been threats about like oh well

00:50:30.780 we'll find something in your past and we'll bring this like,

00:50:33.240 I mean, 1.00

00:50:33.540 it's the reform churches is perhaps the most vicious community I've ever 1.00

00:50:40.720 known in my life. 1.00

00:50:41.940 And so I need to learn political philosophy because I'm interested in it.

00:50:47.620 And I need to learn investments because I need a bulletproof vest because

00:50:53.540 people are,

00:50:54.140 because people are coming from my head.

00:50:56.020 Yeah.

00:50:56.400 Those are my goals from dreamer.

00:50:58.480 This is the last one.

00:50:59.040 Excellent.

00:50:59.340 Hit the YouTube comments.

00:51:00.200 what if the millennial reign in revelation 20 already happened and we are in little season

00:51:05.680 hidden history and dark ages lie it's kind of the idea that christ rule the rain so in revelation

00:51:10.680 satan is bound and then it says christ rules and reigns for a thousand years at the end of that

00:51:15.260 reign satan is loosed and he gathers the nations from the four corners of the earth and they

00:51:19.680 surround the camp of the saints that's the name of that book from 1973 there's actually some good

00:51:23.660 guys i think cj angle i've even seen like a spouse type of version of that like christ rule and reign

00:51:28.240 has happened it was the expansion over europe and the west and now we are in satan being loosed and

00:51:33.620 deceiving the world and when it comes all down to it there will be a small remnant left of christians

00:51:38.300 i've heard some call it last stand post-millennialism right um i totally orthodox valid

00:51:43.080 view yeah it is i love the idea i don't personally hold to it yet but um it is an interesting idea

00:51:48.420 that what if it really was a thousand years and the high watermark was the middle ages the

00:51:53.180 scholastics, culminating the Reformation, down through the Enlightenment, and then I would say 0.93

00:51:58.500 Judeo-Christianity, Zionism have been these things that have deceived the nations, gathered them 0.97

00:52:03.440 together against Christianity. Totally valid view in my view. It's perfectly orthodox. So I'm not 1.00

00:52:09.840 convinced of it. I absolutely hate it. I'll be honest, I hate it. And I'll tell you why. But it

00:52:17.800 is perfectly orthodox more orthodox than dispensationalism oh yeah yep so um if you

00:52:22.860 think that john mccarthur's end times views are biblical then uh then you should think that this

00:52:27.480 is absolutely biblical um i so i think that there's a way of taking the best of that because

00:52:35.720 there's a good there's a good sense there there's a way of taking the best of that but still holding

00:52:41.640 to post-millennialism, one, because it's a hopeful eschatology, and we need hope, and two,

00:52:50.160 not just because of that, but most importantly, because I do believe that post-millennial

00:52:54.080 eschatology is the most faithful exegetically of the text. So this is how I think you can hold both,

00:53:00.980 is by being a partial preterist and applying it consistently. Not a full preterist. There will be

00:53:08.500 a final physical return of christ there are some things that we're still waiting for and a 0.75

00:53:12.360 resurrection of the dead yes bodily resurrection of all the dead uh the damned uh the reprobate

00:53:17.700 unto damnation and the righteous unto life everlasting um so there are still some prophecies

00:53:22.920 that we await their fulfillment um i'm thinking predominantly the last two chapters of the book

00:53:28.260 of revelation and a couple of the text um thessalonians there's a text however most of the

00:53:34.960 new testament i believe all the new testament in terms of its writing the dating of its writing

00:53:38.300 was pre-AD70, all of it, including the four Gospels. And most of the New Testament,

00:53:44.340 in terms of its future-oriented prophecies, I think have been fulfilled. So preterist just

00:53:51.740 means past. Partial preterist means not everything in the Bible has been fulfilled,

00:53:55.480 but a lot has. And I think if you're just a consistent partial preterist,

00:54:00.920 then you'll apply the partial preterist hermeneutic that gets you to post-millennialism

00:54:07.060 in your eschatology, you'll also not carve out an exception for Romans chapter 11. You'll apply it

00:54:12.520 there too. And what I mean by that, you'll say that Paul's writing the book of Romans around

00:54:17.000 8050, 8055, and he says that the natural branches, for a time, a partial hardening. It's temporary

00:54:25.060 and it's partial. So partial hardening of Israel, according to the flesh, ethnic Israel, 0.84

00:54:32.460 temporarily is happening at the time that he's writing the book of Romans, but that the natural

00:54:39.360 branches will eventually be grafted back in, and that when that happens, them being cut off

00:54:44.160 meant the inclusion of the Gentiles. The wild olive branches are grafted into the root. The root is 1.00

00:54:49.200 not Israel, the root is Christ. The natural branches, that's Israel, ethnic Israel, according 0.72

00:54:53.840 to the flesh, they eventually will be grafted back in also. And when they're grafted back in, 0.71

00:54:59.140 the gentile wild branches also get to stay in and then that will kick start a life from the dead

00:55:06.700 kind of revival so i think that that i don't think we're waiting for that i think if you're

00:55:11.820 consistent with a partial preterist hermeneut romans 11 has already been fulfilled i think

00:55:15.540 it happened in 87 i think that what jesus said in the matthew 24 all of that discourse that not one

00:55:22.440 stone of the temple will be left on another that that and he said this generation i don't think

00:55:27.620 he's saying this type of generation in a metaphorical sense, but these people that I'm

00:55:31.340 talking to, and 40 years later, lo and behold, 40 years is a generation. 40 years later, the people

00:55:38.680 are old now, but they're still alive, and they see the desolation coming from Titus. The temple

00:55:44.620 is destroyed. Not one stone, literally left because it was sealed with gold. They took off

00:55:48.740 the gold. Literally not one stone left on another. Jerusalem is sacked, and I think a bunch of people

00:55:53.580 in Israel, Jews, remember the word of Jesus, recognize, oh, we killed our Messiah. We killed 1.00

00:56:01.620 him. He came to his own, but they did not receive him. We rejected our Messiah. Yes, the Romans 0.99

00:56:08.580 literally drove the nails in his hand. Yes, all people killed him in the sense that it's our sin

00:56:13.820 that made his death necessary. Yes, the father killed him because he was pleased to crush the

00:56:17.420 son. Yes, the son chose to lay down his own life. No one takes it. But also the Jews killed Jesus.

00:56:23.580 they said, let his blood be on us and our children. They hated him, and they rejected him,

00:56:30.500 and they killed him. And he told them before his crucifixion, this is what's going to happen

00:56:35.580 before this generation passes away. Jerusalem destroyed. Because as a judgment of what? A 0.94

00:56:41.260 judgment of all their disobedience, but chiefly a judgment of their greatest crime, their greatest

00:56:46.020 sin, killing the son of God. And lo and behold, that generation is still alive. They're older now,

00:56:51.820 60 70 years old but they're standing there they see the desolation coming that the temple is

00:56:57.900 ripped apart there's smoke and clouds clouds don't say it's not happy cherubim clouds that

00:57:03.000 language that prophetic language is it's desolation it's judgment language clouds of smoke and smog

00:57:09.100 and they see this happen before their very eyes they remember the sermon of jesus in matthew

00:57:13.880 chapter 24 and they say oh crap he was right he wasn't a false prophet we just hated him because

00:57:21.560 we're Israel. And we did what Israel has always done, kill the prophets. Because we've been a 0.99

00:57:27.360 stiff-necked, rebellious people for centuries. And now God has finally had it with us. And Jesus,

00:57:34.300 his prophecy is true. God is judging us. And I think that a lot of the Jews in that generation

00:57:40.440 saw that as a fulfillment to one of the greatest prophecies ever given in Matthew 24 by Jesus

00:57:45.180 himself, and they said, God, I'm sorry. I repent. Please save me. And those Jews, not the rest of

00:57:52.760 them, but those Jews who actually then believed and repented, they then listened to the rest of

00:57:58.200 what Jesus said in Matthew 24, which was flee, because it's not a worldwide judgment at the

00:58:04.840 end of the age. It's the end of this age, this Old Testament, Old Covenant age. It's a local judgment

00:58:10.240 happening in a local city of Jerusalem, and if you physically flee fast enough, you can get

00:58:15.320 away from it. And so, I think the Jews that ended up repenting and believing that Jesus was the 0.94

00:58:20.180 Messiah, they became Christians, and by becoming Christians, they listened to Jesus' warning,

00:58:24.660 and they got out of dodge. So, spiritually, they were saved from fire, hell's fire, physically,

00:58:29.880 practically. Now, by trusting in Jesus, they trust in his other words, flee, run away, and they

00:58:35.380 escaped the physical temporal fire of Jerusalem being destroyed. And then those Christians moved 0.95

00:58:40.960 and dispersed to other places. And now that the old covenant was done and they're Christians,

00:58:44.540 they believe in Jesus, they intermarried over the centuries. They raised their children to be

00:58:50.760 Christians. And their descendants, I think now, are predominantly Christian people spread out

00:58:56.640 all over the earth. A lot of them probably Christian Palestinians. The ones who rejected

00:59:02.500 continued to reject Jesus and did not come to faith. Those Jews who saw the fulfillment of 0.95

00:59:07.680 what Jesus said in Matthew 24, everything's being destroyed and still said, we hate him. 0.95

00:59:12.500 We're being destroyed. Still really glad we killed that guy. Well, I think that they died off and 0.99

00:59:20.600 their bloodline didn't continue. They were all destroyed in Jerusalem. And then of course you 0.97

00:59:24.900 have the modern state of Israel today. It is not the Christian Jews who repented and not the ones 1.00

00:59:31.820 who died off and their bloodline ends. So who are they? Well, imposters. That's who they are. 0.96

00:59:38.740 That's my opinion. I could be wrong, but that's what I think. That said, here's the point.

00:59:43.760 Romans 11, partial preterist. It's past. It's actually been fulfilled. It was in the future

00:59:47.980 at the time of Paul's writing, but it's in our past. Paul's saying that when the natural branches

00:59:53.240 are grafted back in, there'll be a life from the dead kind of revival. And I think that happened.

00:59:58.100 In AD 70, Paul writes the book in AD 55, and then a bunch of the Jews, some perish and 0.97

01:00:03.380 still reject Christ. 0.98

01:00:04.240 But I think a bunch of them in the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70 saw that as a fulfillment

01:00:08.960 to Christ prophecy, that convinced them that Christ really was the Messiah.

01:00:12.100 They repented their sins, trusted in Jesus, got out of Dodge, aka the natural branches,

01:00:17.240 Israel, according to the flesh, is grafted into the true root of Israel, who is Christ.

01:00:21.580 They become Christians. 0.65

01:00:23.040 And then the life from the dead, it's not something we're waiting for.

01:00:26.480 that's called chrysidom 1500 years of chrysidom is the life from the dead and the reason that

01:00:36.080 we're starting to now lose some of that ground is because i think for many reasons many reasons

01:00:43.880 but one i'm not even saying it's the chief reason or the source of all the but one reason i think

01:00:48.720 we're losing it is because we are backtracking on the very thing that kick-started that life

01:00:55.620 from the dead in the first place. And what was the natural branches being grafted back in? What

01:00:59.860 does that mean? That's poetic language, but in real terms, what does that mean? It means Israel

01:01:04.160 accepting Christ and recognizing that the rejection of Christ is a damnable offense. 0.61

01:01:14.560 And what are we now doing? What is the church? I'm not just talking about the modern state of

01:01:18.680 Israel. What is the Christian church doing? Essentially what we've been doing for 150 years

01:01:23.320 since Schofield and Darby and especially the last 80 years and the Zionist project and all these, 0.98

01:01:29.560 what we've been doing is we've basically been doing the opposite of what gave us that 0.96

01:01:33.220 life from the dead, 1,500 years of revival and blessing in Christendom, which is the natural

01:01:38.640 branches rejecting their God-hating ways and being grafted into the root, into Christ.

01:01:44.160 We've been doing the opposite. We've been saying, yeah, there's Christianity and that's technically

01:01:48.900 best to love Jesus, accept Jesus, trust Jesus, put faith in Jesus, but there's also Christianity

01:01:56.040 adjacent, Christian adjacent. And, you know, like God has the natural-born son, and the natural-born

01:02:04.260 son hates dad, absolutely hates him, spits on his face all the time, but dad really, really loves

01:02:08.900 the natural-born son. And we're just the stepchildren, the Gentile Christians, and the best 0.53

01:02:13.940 way that we can get dad to love us is just do favors and be kind to the kid that dad loves the

01:02:21.140 most, which is the natural-born biological child, which is Israel. The natural presence being

01:02:28.700 grafted in was Israel forsaking their rejection of Christ and coming into him. And what we've

01:02:36.360 been doing for the last 150 years is basically saying, it's okay. It's okay to reject Christ.

01:02:43.120 If there's an entire nation established 1.00

01:02:45.280 on the rejection of Christ, Judaism, 0.99

01:02:48.920 the rejection of Christ, 0.97

01:02:51.280 we'll give them billions of dollars,

01:02:52.640 we'll support them.

01:02:54.760 Yeah, that's great.

01:02:56.920 And lo and behold,

01:02:59.020 Christendom has come to a screeching halt.

01:03:02.260 Isn't that funny?

01:03:03.620 So I just, my point is, I think both are true.

01:03:05.660 So I think post-millennialism,

01:03:07.000 we've been getting the life from the dead

01:03:07.920 and we can get right back on.

01:03:08.980 We've been derailed.

01:03:09.640 I think we can get right back on track

01:03:10.800 And Christendom keeps going until Jesus stops tearing, until he returns.

01:03:15.260 Maybe that's another 100 years, and maybe that's another 10,000 years.

01:03:18.280 I don't know.

01:03:19.820 But I think that the partial preterist thing that gets you the postmillennial hopeful eschatology 0.82

01:03:25.260 also gets you a better view on Israel and completely destroys dispensationalism. 0.79

01:03:31.420 And it's the lack of that that has gotten us a very Zionist kind of view, and I think 0.89

01:03:36.300 that's precisely what has halted Christendom, at least one of the reasons. Michael? 0.74

01:03:41.440 To me, it's the Great Commission, and Jesus says, go disciple the nations. And so to say that the

01:03:48.900 millennial reign of Christ peaked or ended at a thousand, to me, implies that all the rest of the

01:03:55.300 nations, that most of them at that time had not had a gospel witness, period. Not just the nation

01:04:01.000 had been converted, but the gospel was present. Most of the nations of the world by that point

01:04:05.480 had not received gospel witness right and so to me i don't know i don't know how christ's actual

01:04:10.880 reign where he commissions the church to disciple all the nations which is represented in romans

01:04:17.320 or in revelation 7 with with all the nations gathered around the throne um to me i don't know

01:04:24.280 it seems like his reign was incomplete if if it's by a thousand it leaves a lot of the nations of

01:04:28.920 the world out that's a great point yeah because the nations have not been thoroughly possible

01:04:33.320 And not even all the nations of that time were reached.

01:04:37.100 We've had a life from the dead,

01:04:38.360 1,500 years Christendom kind of moment.

01:04:40.940 But the leaven has not gone through the whole batch of dough.

01:04:44.800 The mustard seed has not...

01:04:47.720 The trees, you can see it.

01:04:49.120 It's big, yeah.

01:04:49.780 But I think now we've had some pruning.

01:04:51.660 It's shrunk a little bit.

01:04:52.860 So it grew for 1,500 years or 1,200 years,

01:04:55.660 shrunk for the last 300 years.

01:04:57.220 The Enlightenment's a big part of that.

01:04:59.260 A lot of different things. 0.95

01:05:00.860 Dispensationalism, Zionism, all of it.

01:05:02.880 It shrunk some. 0.93

01:05:03.740 The tree's still there, but it never covered the full earth.

01:05:07.460 Even at its peak, there's still more to go.

01:05:09.440 All right.

01:05:10.540 All right.

01:05:11.980 We'll go ahead and do the first super chat.

01:05:13.440 So, Ben Huffsteadler, what are your thoughts on not celebrating Christmas due to the convictions of Paul's food sacrifice, proper grounds, or I'm assuming he's saying, or not?

01:05:24.000 You do it, Wes.

01:05:24.860 I was reading Romans the other day, and Paul really does say there, there's days that some celebrate and others don't.

01:05:31.820 and let each be convinced right you're not going to celebrate christmas be convinced and do it

01:05:35.960 half-heartedly do it unto the lord right and if you are going to all really does say like there's

01:05:40.840 going to be days and some are you going to hold them high and some are you going to hold them

01:05:43.640 though some are you going to say it's the lord's day only 52 days a year that's it you're going

01:05:48.300 to have christmas you're going to have easter and pentecost in addition to the sabbath in addition

01:05:51.600 to the sabbath and uh be fully convinced and do it unto the lord yep yep amen love it yep you got

01:05:57.680 to hold you got to be sabbatarian i think that's the confessional and the biblical the lord's day

01:06:01.800 yep so the lord's day you got to be a lord's day guy and uh you celebrate that uh 52 times a year

01:06:07.080 once a week um and then if you say that's it that's our that's our holy day holiday holy day

01:06:13.360 the only christian holy day i think that's perfectly fine yeah it's fine um and if you say

01:06:17.460 we're doing that nothing less than that and if christmas falls on a sunday we're going to church

01:06:21.180 right um right right that is four years ago which we did four years exactly so we're doing that um

01:06:26.720 but in addition to that not at the expense of that but in addition to that um we have uh

01:06:31.720 christmas and we have thanksgiving i think that's perfectly fine what i would say strategically wise

01:06:36.020 to some of my friends because i've got covenanter uh pure puritan type friends and i've got

01:06:40.520 not so much you know guys on on the other side of the aisle um i think what west just said in

01:06:48.580 quoting what paul says in romans is that's the command for christians is um don't look down

01:06:53.860 on the other so if you're uh if you're a grinch puritan grinch um that's great uh but uh just 0.71

01:07:02.460 kind of privately grinch to yourself yep you know and uh and uh don't do what jerome pal did today

01:07:08.860 and ruin christmas for the entire world okay uh i'm gonna be able to get through these last three

01:07:13.920 so glorious and free ministries very generous super chat thank you so much he says merry christmas

01:07:18.840 from your based

01:07:19.560 Canadian ally

01:07:20.420 we don't have many of them

01:07:21.840 reform

01:07:22.480 we conquist the door

01:07:23.380 we pray you have

01:07:24.280 a God glorifying new year

01:07:25.360 rebuilding Christendom

01:07:26.380 in 2025

01:07:27.340 he's also published

01:07:29.380 a book

01:07:29.720 Adam Mello

01:07:30.420 the

01:07:31.460 I'm blanking out

01:07:33.600 right now

01:07:33.940 but I bought it

01:07:34.460 is this the children's book

01:07:34.600 yes

01:07:35.120 the gargoyle

01:07:36.160 yes

01:07:36.480 oh yeah I read it

01:07:37.600 I love it

01:07:38.220 I like it

01:07:38.960 I'm gonna pull the name of it

01:07:39.960 up now

01:07:40.400 find a link real quick

01:07:41.600 let's give him a shout out

01:07:42.180 I'll read the next one

01:07:42.720 while you're looking for it

01:07:43.340 okay go ahead Mike

01:07:44.100 super chat from $20

01:07:45.340 wow

01:07:46.240 from Josh Rocha

01:07:47.740 A historical book, author, recommendation,

01:07:49.720 specifically World War II, Civil War Crusade.

01:07:51.560 So you got the name of that.

01:07:52.160 I'm going to have to read a bunch of books

01:07:53.380 because I'm going to read Civil War ones as well.

01:07:55.080 Book by Adam is The Gargoyle Stone,

01:07:57.260 Kings and Cathedrals, book one.

01:07:58.940 So go ahead, find that on Amazon.

01:08:00.920 Great read, my kids love it.

01:08:02.000 Say it one more time.

01:08:02.920 The Gargoyle Stone, gargoyle statue,

01:08:06.400 Kings and Cathedral, book one.

01:08:08.180 Great book.

01:08:08.440 It's on the Reformation.

01:08:09.860 Yeah. 1.00

01:08:10.240 Yeah, it's really good.

01:08:11.320 Yep, well illustrated.

01:08:12.680 Okay, so this was Josh Rocha

01:08:14.700 and he's asking recommendations for history.

01:08:17.120 predominantly for World War II, Civil War.

01:08:19.820 I just got the regular ones, the God's Battalions. 0.69

01:08:22.580 Yeah, so Crusades would be God's Battalions,

01:08:24.800 Defenders of the West, Sword, and Scimitar.

01:08:26.800 And that's three different books.

01:08:28.640 Two of them are by one author,

01:08:30.040 the author being Raymond Ibrahim, Raymond Ibrahim,

01:08:33.940 and then God's Battalions.

01:08:35.440 So Sword and Scimitar and Defenders of the West,

01:08:37.720 Raymond Ibrahim.

01:08:38.760 God's Battalions is Rodney Stark.

01:08:40.600 Rodney Stark, I read all three of those this year.

01:08:43.360 Fantastic books.

01:08:44.420 In addition to that, it's not really what you asked for,

01:08:46.080 but R.R. Reno, Return of the Strong Gods is a must read.

01:08:50.920 Those are some of the most shaping books for me this year.

01:08:54.480 And then World War II, Pat Buchanan, The Unnecessary War.

01:08:58.520 What's the full name?

01:08:59.260 Hitler, Churchill, and The Unnecessary War.

01:09:00.580 Hitler, Churchill, and The Unnecessary War.

01:09:02.420 That's the only one that I've read. 0.60

01:09:03.820 And I think Death of the West almost is a sequel to that, right?

01:09:07.160 Like if you read the one about World War II first

01:09:10.000 and then you go into Death of the West,

01:09:11.520 it's kind of like the fallout of everything that happened

01:09:13.220 because of World War II.

01:09:15.300 to uh alexander solzhenitsyn yeah gulag archipelago to understand the real antithesis

01:09:21.380 which was communism right right communist revolution 1917 um i'm gonna give some civil

01:09:25.960 war recommendations shelby foot the civil war narrative three volume box set so it's three

01:09:30.900 volumes it's a narrative history of the civil war highly recommended um i have dabney's biography

01:09:36.860 of stonewall jackson that's very good as well and then michael and jeff shahara shahara they

01:09:42.520 wrote the books killer angels it's like it's somewhat fictional it's more novelist on gettysburg

01:09:47.580 and then jeff wrote uh gods and generals and the last full measure which are excellent civil war

01:09:52.000 books as well yeah awesome thanks wes all right um okay oh we got another super chat whoa a 500

01:09:57.920 super chat all right you know how many movies that is i said i can't help myself but like literally

01:10:06.020 right before we recorded we were talking about like our schedule for next year and we're like

01:10:09.100 okay you know what um we don't get a lot of super chats and maybe that'll change praise god thank

01:10:14.360 you guys um but uh but we're like that's not the bread and butter the super chats are few and far

01:10:19.600 between that should go into a movie fund where once a week we go watch a movie for cultural

01:10:24.580 research purposes of course and if it's a good super chat week then in addition to the movie

01:10:29.900 maybe you can get some loaded fries you know at flicks brew house or something like that um this

01:10:34.160 is a $500 super chat that is um and that will actually go to good use so many movies

01:10:39.240 so this is but they deserve a shout out the name so this is Aaron Perryman Aaron Perryman

01:10:48.760 first Aaron I hope you have your husband's permission no no okay okay here it goes

01:10:54.200 Ari Perryman says Merry Christmas brothers my husband God bless her she knows my husband told

01:11:00.280 me to do this super chat, to challenge others, to give big this last live stream of the year.

01:11:08.120 God bless you. We love your ministry. Wow. Thank you. I could almost tear up, except I'm not gay.

01:11:14.040 If I was, I would cry on camera right now. I will not do it, but seriously,

01:11:19.200 I'm blown away. That is incredibly generous. So kind. Aaron Perryman, tell your husband,

01:11:25.180 if you want to add in the comment, his name, if he wants a shout out, but tell Mr. Perryman,

01:11:29.200 we are so incredibly grateful

01:11:30.780 and we are not 0.64

01:11:32.060 Puritan Covenanters

01:11:33.660 love the Puritans 0.99

01:11:34.980 in other words

01:11:36.520 we can say

01:11:37.600 Merry Christmas

01:11:38.460 thank you very much

01:11:40.080 and Merry Christmas

01:11:41.140 we'll see

01:11:42.500 if that starts

01:11:43.100 a chain reaction

01:11:43.720 with generosity

01:11:44.440 oh

01:11:44.940 another one just landed

01:11:46.340 we skipped

01:11:47.060 Connor Suba

01:11:47.660 yep

01:11:48.140 wow

01:11:48.960 you guys man

01:11:50.140 end of the year

01:11:50.640 Christmas

01:11:51.120 Jerome Powell

01:11:52.000 was not generous

01:11:52.660 this Christmas

01:11:53.120 but you guys are

01:11:53.900 okay go ahead

01:11:54.840 pick it up Wes

01:11:55.480 alright

01:11:55.780 Connor Suba

01:11:56.640 $20

01:11:57.380 really enjoy the podcast

01:11:58.760 keep up the good work thanks so much connor really appreciate that thank you connor of you

01:12:02.440 yep this is ben ben who had the first question yep this looks like a comment very generous super

01:12:08.280 chat fifty dollars uh ben said imagine emo joe wailing on the piccolo to enter sandman while

01:12:16.240 under a highway overpass and it's raining joel how can we make that happen well we could make it

01:12:21.260 happen um unlike most people i actually know what a piccolo is yeah um i was in this probably will 0.95

01:12:28.000 surprise no one because they're like we've always hated you we knew you were a loser now you're

01:12:31.880 confirming it i was in band both concert and marching and jazz band all three as many bands 0.51

01:12:38.620 as you could possibly be in for seven years um i know i played bass guitar and jazz band so it was

01:12:45.560 almost cool not really but almost it's cool yeah i played uh i went anywhere but never did soprano

01:12:51.740 sax but i did from alto to tenor to baritone saxophone um i was best on tenor partly because

01:13:00.260 there's a little less competition alto there's a ton so anyways the point is this um obviously

01:13:05.880 a reeded woodwind instrument is very different than um a flute or a piccolo but i messed around

01:13:13.720 i dabble as uh ron burgundy would say with the flute you know i dabble yeah i've dabbled

01:13:19.300 And so, long story short, for the right super chat, we can make that happen.

01:13:25.520 Merry Christmas.

01:13:26.400 All right.

01:13:26.900 Let's keep going.

01:13:27.800 Reform student, question.

01:13:29.440 Is communion that doesn't use real wine communion?

01:13:33.340 Jesus said, do this in remembrance of me.

01:13:35.440 We were not doing the this that happened.

01:13:38.240 Is grape juice for communion a sin?

01:13:40.260 Yes, it is.

01:13:40.920 But they should do wine.

01:13:42.800 It's the regular principle of worship.

01:13:44.280 Is it real communion?

01:13:45.560 It is real communion.

01:13:46.400 Because Wes ended the question with, is it sin?

01:13:48.680 And you said, yes, yes, yes.

01:13:50.000 Oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

01:13:51.160 I was thinking the first half of the question,

01:13:52.860 is it real communion?

01:13:53.720 Yes.

01:13:55.140 I don't actually think it is.

01:13:56.320 I don't want to be, okay, we'll hear you.

01:13:57.860 I don't want to be that big of a stickler,

01:14:00.680 but no, you should do wine.

01:14:02.440 I think Jesus prescribes wine,

01:14:04.200 and I'd love to hear your show the other side,

01:14:07.660 but I want you to make,

01:14:08.600 I love your argument for,

01:14:10.600 aside from just the fact that Jesus says it,

01:14:13.000 why wine is important.

01:14:15.040 Go.

01:14:15.340 Yeah.

01:14:15.480 Well, I mean, for one, we're not at liberty to substitute in elements that God has given to us.

01:14:19.800 We're not free to add a third sacrament.

01:14:21.500 You would, of course, agree with that. 0.87

01:14:23.100 Like, what if we baptize in a tub of blood? 0.58

01:14:26.520 Yes, exactly.

01:14:27.520 Or orange juice.

01:14:28.980 Yep, exactly.

01:14:29.580 Now it's supposed to be water.

01:14:30.600 What if we did Skittles and what was George Floyd's?

01:14:34.040 Skittles and Gatorade.

01:14:34.900 Gatorade for communion.

01:14:36.220 But that literally happened.

01:14:37.820 I know.

01:14:38.680 During Trayvon Martin.

01:14:39.020 Yes, after George Floyd.

01:14:40.280 Or Trayvon Martin.

01:14:40.800 It was Trayvon Martin.

01:14:41.500 That was his last supper before the incident with George Zimmerman.

01:14:45.480 yeah so you know commonale we use that we learned we use the word churches that happened after

01:14:51.080 george floyd no no after trayvon martin this was trayvon martin in like 2016 yeah oh yeah

01:14:55.900 and i saw during covet churches that said like what do you got is it crackers and pepsi right

01:15:01.300 right and that stuff is you're not obviously espousing that but that is blasphemous so the

01:15:05.400 lord has set the menu and um one of the powers of wine because all these things have symbolism

01:15:10.340 symbols are what in many ways run the world but what does wine carry with it it carries with it

01:15:15.080 for one a burn and a bitterness but also has a warming and intoxicating effect others have

01:15:20.420 commentated that this shows the dual nature for one of the severity of god's wrath we see this

01:15:24.760 language in the prophets of i'm going to pour out the wine of my wrath it's burn it's vigor it's

01:15:30.440 judgment so it symbolizes the wrath and the severity and the seriousness of communion of

01:15:34.900 the lord's supper but then it's intoxicating and it's warm it's often associated with weddings

01:15:38.740 which reminds us of his love so when you have wine what it's carrying with it is the symbolism

01:15:43.380 of the seriousness of Christ's blood shed for us,

01:15:45.920 but it's also showing his love,

01:15:47.880 that he is as the bridegroom, as the Song of Songs say.

01:15:50.640 It bites like wrath, the cup of wrath

01:15:53.940 that was poured out on Christ.

01:15:55.740 But there's also warmth and intimacy.

01:15:58.460 So all that being said, I think any substitution to that

01:16:02.480 is in substance, which is ultimately not the Lord's Supper.

01:16:07.280 I also don't think it's necessary.

01:16:09.000 James B. Jordan makes this argument in his book

01:16:11.020 From Bread to Wine.

01:16:13.380 We would argue you have to have the bread because if you literally don't have bread and you're not serving it, everyone there is starving.

01:16:19.660 But wine is more kingly in its symbolism.

01:16:21.660 And for much of church history, the lady did only take the bread.

01:16:25.240 Yeah, bread sustains, bread of life.

01:16:27.120 But wine is nobility.

01:16:30.020 So I would argue if you are taking grape juice, it would be a sin.

01:16:35.240 And it would be you'd be taking half of the supper.

01:16:38.620 I think that's what the Bible teaches.

01:16:40.620 That's cute.

01:16:41.020 but uh i hear you you're wrong i hear you wrong um no that that was good that was well spoken

01:16:47.140 compelling um i disagree but i could be wrong i could be wrong um this this is what i would say

01:16:52.040 um help help me so first i'll ask a question before i make a statement um i'm pretty sure

01:16:57.820 the exact words though is uh fruit of the vine and and there are plenty of places in scripture

01:17:02.580 that say wine but in the case of the supper i'm pretty sure it says fruit of the vine and so the

01:17:07.680 argument that i would make you know pushing back to to play the devil's advocate to be fair is i

01:17:12.300 would say um welch's grape juice you know um you shouldn't do it but um that is grapes it is the

01:17:21.080 fruit of the vine and it's been processed and and distilled and so you know so it's it's different

01:17:26.160 but it is um it is the fruit of the vine that have simply undergone different and more processes

01:17:32.960 than wine which is it's still the same same vine same fruit uh wine goes through one set of

01:17:39.160 processes and then uh grape juice goes through another set of processes but it is still the

01:17:44.400 same fruit of the same vine um whereas if you did water it's not fruit of the vine if you did

01:17:50.860 whatever you get the point if you did kool-aid um and so that would be my thought and then the

01:17:56.380 only other thing i i thought like i'm just thinking ahead of what common questions that i get you know

01:18:00.680 as a pastor all the time about the Lord's Supper. Some guys would say, well, you're hard on the guys

01:18:05.320 who do grape juice. You know, you're saying it has to be wine, but I bet, well, are you doing

01:18:10.820 unleavened bread or does your bread have leaven? Right. Here would be my point with that. I would

01:18:15.460 say unleavened bread, it doesn't say that it has to be unleavened bread. Unleavened bread was

01:18:19.760 belonging to the Passover. So it was unleavened bread in the case of Jesus and the disciples,

01:18:23.860 but that's because he was instituting a new sacrament, the Lord's Supper, but also observing

01:18:28.100 the old. In the case of Passover, in Passover, it was prescribed that it's unleavened because

01:18:34.080 of the context. It was historical. And in that moment of history, Israel's history,

01:18:39.100 the context was, you guys are about to get up and book it. You're about to move. You're about to be

01:18:44.560 on the run and you're about to be moving. You're about to go on a journey. It's this quick rush.

01:18:49.720 It's not a banquet and a feast that you have to clean up afterwards. No, it's a quick meal.

01:18:56.760 It's like when you get fast food, which, you know, if you can help it, don't.

01:19:00.260 But you get fast food because you're on a road trip, right?

01:19:02.720 It's a quick meal before you're on the go.

01:19:05.100 And so unleavened bread that hasn't been, you know, no yeast hasn't risen.

01:19:10.620 Well, here's the deal.

01:19:11.380 The Lord's Supper, Jesus is doing both when he's having the Last Supper with his disciples, his apostles.

01:19:20.560 He's observing the Passover before his crucifixion in fulfillment of prophecy.

01:19:24.340 and because it's part of the Jewish calendar

01:19:26.600 and he keeps the law under the Old Covenant.

01:19:28.900 The Old Covenant now is over.

01:19:30.240 It's wrapped up like a garment.

01:19:31.220 It's completely done.

01:19:32.080 Now it's just the Lord's Supper.

01:19:33.900 The Lord's Supper is bread.

01:19:35.880 It's only the Passover that signifies unleavened.

01:19:41.360 And so I would argue,

01:19:42.520 and many other Puritans and Reformers have argued as well,

01:19:45.500 that in the Lord's Supper, we still use bread

01:19:47.640 just as the Passover was bread.

01:19:49.100 But the difference is that now it's leavened bread

01:19:51.440 because the yeast, it's the leaven of the gospel

01:19:54.520 and our risen Lord that causes the bread to rise.

01:19:58.700 And we're not on the run from Egypt,

01:20:01.480 but now we're the head and not the tail

01:20:03.980 because of Christ and we're actually pushing,

01:20:06.320 it's the darkness, kingdom of darkness is on the run.

01:20:09.200 Egypt is now fleeing us. 0.97

01:20:11.380 I think it preaches. 1.00

01:20:12.960 I like things to preach.

01:20:13.780 I think it preaches.

01:20:14.640 I think it's good.

01:20:14.960 Well, there's a different word.

01:20:15.820 There's common bread and that's the word

01:20:17.700 in the New Testament when it says they broke bread

01:20:19.640 and it's just a simple word for bread.

01:20:21.840 It doesn't specify unleavened.

01:20:23.700 It does say fruit of the vine.

01:20:24.780 Fruit of the vine.

01:20:25.440 So I would just say that grape juice is fruit of the vine,

01:20:29.140 but it has undergone more processes.

01:20:32.120 Sure.

01:20:32.420 And I would say the alcohol,

01:20:33.380 like if you had alcohol removed wine,

01:20:34.860 I don't think that would actually count.

01:20:36.400 If you start getting like, well, the bread,

01:20:38.000 what about gluten? 0.99

01:20:38.700 My wife is actually gluten-free, 1.00

01:20:40.120 so she can't, we use a gluten-free loaf.

01:20:43.080 Now it's leavened and it's bread.

01:20:45.020 It contained, like it's bread.

01:20:46.980 It's been one loaf that's been torn apart,

01:20:48.620 distributed to the people but the second we start getting cute and say like well without the leaven

01:20:52.500 well that's a cracker and we just picked on crackers and if we take wine and we say like

01:20:56.780 well fruit of the vine it's actually just purple drink that's two percent like what if it's 50

01:21:01.120 percent you know like grape juice and then we cut it with water because that's still i think we have

01:21:06.000 to at least for me i would i would say you take the stand on it's wine with alcohol it's leavened

01:21:11.680 bread gluten not constituent to it if those are the elements then strictly speaking now now we

01:21:17.520 take them in faith. And so in faith, God honors that you didn't have water for immersion. You

01:21:22.140 sprinkled even as Baptist. That's in extraordinary circumstances, but the ordinary means of grace,

01:21:27.000 ordinarily, I would argue, would have to be wine with alcohol and then love with bread.

01:21:30.420 Yeah. Somebody asked, what about the kids? We're family integrated. The kids are there every single

01:21:33.560 Lord's Day. And those kids who are baptized, so baptism is the initiating oath sign. It's how

01:21:39.760 the one joins the many. And then the Lord's Supper is the renewing oath sign, the renewal covenant

01:21:43.880 ceremony that happens weekly, not just once a quarter. And that's how, you know, baptism

01:21:49.280 initiating O sign, the one joins the many, and then the Lord's Supper is the renewal O sign where

01:21:55.160 the many are joined into one. One joins the many, baptism, the many are joined into one,

01:22:00.760 the Lord's Supper. And so all baptized believers take the Lord's Supper in our church,

01:22:07.300 and that includes children.

01:22:08.960 We are credo-baptists,

01:22:10.500 but we baptize.

01:22:12.980 Each child is different.

01:22:14.480 But like my children,

01:22:15.380 two of my children are baptized.

01:22:16.460 One is seven, one is five.

01:22:18.460 Our third oldest is four

01:22:20.740 and she will probably be baptized very soon.

01:22:23.720 And by the time,

01:22:24.880 you know, we now have five kids,

01:22:26.140 we might have more,

01:22:27.160 you know, by the time we get down

01:22:28.120 to my last child,

01:22:29.320 I'll probably be a pedo-baptist.

01:22:31.860 I'm going to tell one story about one of my sons

01:22:35.020 because my mother,

01:22:36.700 I love her, good, godly Christian woman, but definitely of the, I'm not drinking anything,

01:22:42.840 including communion wine. 1.00

01:22:44.280 Yeah, teetotaler.

01:22:45.580 And so she said, well, you know, how can you have your kids drink wine at communion?

01:22:51.440 And my youngest son, he's 12, he said to her, he said, Grandma, I hate the taste of wine

01:22:59.240 at church.

01:23:00.800 I hate it.

01:23:01.400 And every time we do communion, Pastor Webbin says, this is to remind you of the wrath and the discomfort that Jesus suffered for you.

01:23:09.020 He goes, I know the wrath that Jesus suffered.

01:23:12.340 And that was the end of the discussion.

01:23:13.780 It tastes like cheap two-buck chuck wine.

01:23:15.900 That's the wrath of God.

01:23:17.260 Yeah.

01:23:17.820 No, that's funny.

01:23:18.900 But all that being said, like my kids, you know, my two oldest, seven and five, they're drinking wine.

01:23:25.280 And they actually, they like it.

01:23:26.580 but part of that is because in being sabbatarian ever since they were like two three years old we

01:23:32.700 would do like our family a saturday evening sabbath dinner leading into the lord's day preparing our

01:23:37.940 hearts and minds and doing family worship and we would give them a very responsible very small

01:23:43.160 amount hear me out like thimble size but a small little uh we got like basically like uh shot

01:23:48.660 glasses but they don't look like shot they look fancier and so our kids not the baby but our kids

01:23:54.480 would all get a thimble amount of wine

01:23:57.000 because mom and dad would have a glass of wine

01:23:58.280 on Saturday evenings.

01:23:59.800 And so the taste doesn't bother my kids. 0.82

01:24:03.380 Another reason to live in Texas.

01:24:05.280 Your son likes it.

01:24:05.780 I like the taste of wine and beer, too.

01:24:07.020 In Texas, you're allowed to do that.

01:24:08.380 Yeah, in Texas, you can do that.

01:24:09.180 Not allowed to do that.

01:24:09.940 And in other places, you're also allowed to do it

01:24:12.160 because you're the father.

01:24:13.180 Well, you just don't tell the state.

01:24:15.340 I agree, 100%.

01:24:16.180 I know, I know.

01:24:17.180 One more question, then last commercial break?

01:24:19.120 Yeah, and then we'll come back

01:24:20.140 and we'll do more questions

01:24:20.960 because we want to honor,

01:24:21.880 we want to try to get as many questions as possible.

01:24:23.740 I know it's getting late, but.

01:24:25.280 Maybe we'll do like one word or one sentence answers

01:24:27.240 so like we can try it best.

01:24:28.640 If you left your comment, you've been listening a whole time.

01:24:29.980 I'll do my best.

01:24:30.780 We'll get to it.

01:24:32.020 Okay.

01:24:33.220 So LM asks, what is your take on 2 Thessalonians 2,

01:24:36.560 the man, so this would be the man of lawlessness,

01:24:38.880 the man of sin, who, quote,

01:24:40.380 sits in the seat of the temple of God

01:24:41.760 and performs false miracles.

01:24:43.360 How do you interpret this passage 0.54

01:24:44.360 if Jews are not intended to rebuild the temple? 0.96

01:24:47.360 I think the idea of building, being preterist, 0.82

01:24:49.760 as you've said, you're a preterist

01:24:51.200 and you view 2 Thessalonians 2,

01:24:52.740 the man of sin and lawlessness as an early first century nero figure how is this prophecy of him

01:24:58.540 sitting i'm going to read it out so i don't i think the um the nero figure i think that's um

01:25:03.400 that's your um the beast the beast uh nero i think you know six six six that number tallied

01:25:09.720 up and like using you know the roman uh numeral system um literally spells out nero um or his

01:25:17.360 full title which is a little bit longer and i forget rc spoel has a great video on it so i i

01:25:21.440 think nero was the beast uh the man of lawlessness i don't want to complain with the beast i think

01:25:25.300 it's a different person i think the man of lawlessness was the jewish high priest okay

01:25:28.980 it's a jew yeah i've heard that too the man of law i think jesus is uh the point paul's saying

01:25:33.320 this is paul's point in thessalonians but i think jesus you know elsewhere says similar things i

01:25:37.500 think both jesus and his apostles are making um a pointed point uh the point being um the most 0.81

01:25:44.460 lawless people you can find right are the jews and the man yes the chief of all lawlessness 1.00

01:25:51.680 is the high priest it's a great irony it's a great irony yep i don't have anything more profound 1.00

01:25:57.100 to add to that yep so anyway point being it does not require a second temple or a third temple

01:26:02.240 being built yes that would have been at the time whether the high priest or nero already been

01:26:05.460 fulfilled yep it's done and less clear passages there is a third temple yes amen but it's living

01:26:11.200 stones, Christians, being built together as a holy temple of the Lord.

01:26:15.020 And less clear passages, like 2 Thessalonians, even 1 Thessalonians, there's some tough language

01:26:20.040 to parse out. Don't make those the load-bearing weight compared to other clear passages when

01:26:24.740 Jesus speaks of his return, revelation, and all of that.

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01:29:20.380 us as a christmas gift very kind okay questions all right next one we've got uh this from reformed

01:29:25.580 student in luke 22 3 was judas tempted to betray jesus or was he demonically possessed

01:29:31.800 by satan i would say this might be the case uh 22 3 22 maybe the case of a false dichotomy

01:29:39.020 right luke 22 do you have it west yep so jesus sent peter and john saying go and make

01:29:47.080 preparations for us eat the passover that's not right luke 22 i know the passover is said

01:29:52.760 satan entered yeah right i know that yeah um i don't think we ever see in scripture a case of

01:29:56.760 demonic or even satanic possession where it's against the individual's will right first there's

01:30:00.340 rebellion and wickedness that's fostered in the heart long term and then finding that culminates

01:30:05.060 in a type of possession and uh yeah wait i never wanted to go this far like well william perkins

01:30:09.640 the puritan talks about how this sort of agreement is a pact that must be made with the devil um and

01:30:15.600 even if it's unwitting in in a sense like you don't know the full extent of what you're getting

01:30:19.720 into right it is willing and there's some knowledge of what you're getting the devil tricks you and

01:30:24.500 there's more he takes you know like what's the old adage like he'll take you further than you

01:30:28.160 want to go keep you longer than you want to pay more than you want to pay yeah yep um and that's

01:30:34.080 true that's that's a good um good saying uh but um but you know he's evil because god wears god's

01:30:40.260 word tells you he's evil and um and volition is required um it and so i think of um you can make

01:30:46.140 an argument from like the greater to the lesser so um uh the man who was uh possessed and slept

01:30:51.220 among the tombs you know and they would bind him he would be able to break the binds at super

01:30:54.640 human strength and he was possessed by not one but several demons uh when jesus asked what is

01:31:00.240 your name they say legion for we are many so that guy possessed by a multitude of demons legion um

01:31:07.460 out of his it says he was out of his right mind like he was out of his mind so he's he's insane

01:31:13.420 um he's sleeping with dead people right um and he has superhuman strength right um and he's naked 0.95

01:31:21.800 you know running around naked and and killing people and murderous um here's here's the thing

01:31:27.500 this is implicit from the text but it's there um jesus doesn't go and find him in a tomb jesus lands

01:31:35.880 in in that region from his ship i believe he was he was sailing yep and uh and it's like pretty

01:31:42.880 much the text makes it sound like as soon as he gets out the guys the man is a far away uh far

01:31:47.400 way off, sees him, and he comes to Jesus. And I don't think the demons are bringing the man to

01:31:53.740 Jesus. I think the man, even, not just whatever volition he gave to initially be possessed, but

01:31:59.660 even after possession, strong possession, there's still the man. The man is still there. He's warped,

01:32:07.040 he's corrupted, but the will is still there. The volition is still there, even post-possession,

01:32:15.380 enough to where i i would imagine against a whole legion of demons will he drags himself

01:32:23.240 to jesus the demons likely was no no try away if anything trying to pull him back so yeah

01:32:30.700 all right we've got three that are related two from the same um account and then one from uh

01:32:37.640 third one but they're they're somewhat related so i'm going to read all three of them

01:32:40.120 are you guys aware this is from bj wins again are you guys aware bj brazilian jiu-jitsu

01:32:45.340 B-J-J wins again.

01:32:46.480 B-J-S. 0.99

01:32:47.000 Yes.

01:32:47.740 As I only just became that the Talmud describes how all the standard miracles demonstrating

01:32:51.420 God's acceptance of sacrifices ceased for the 40 years preceding 70 AD, continued in

01:32:57.340 track at Yomah 39b.

01:32:58.780 What really blew my mind was that they have, for 2,000 years, been like 40 years before

01:33:03.360 the temple was destroyed.

01:33:04.800 Nothing to see here move along.

01:33:06.240 Related to that, Peter Sawyer says, why is the issue of Talmudic Judaism relevant to

01:33:12.540 Reformed believers?

01:33:14.020 Hmm. 1.00

01:33:14.240 and peter i'm gonna be the one to say it i i wish this whole year was not dominated by

01:33:20.860 telling me like i'm i don't think it's going to go away because it's wrapped up in the post-war

01:33:25.740 consensus right so i don't i think it's going to be something that we're talking about about 30

01:33:30.000 of these questions are i know closely related to i know jews and israel um so it's i don't think

01:33:34.480 it's going to go away i think it's worth israel so hot right now yeah that hansel he's so hot

01:33:39.640 right now stock in stock in Israel the only thing to BJJ I just I did not know that and that is

01:33:45.160 fascinating either yeah it's not it's it's not going away and um and it's as you guys know it's

01:33:52.260 not um the only issue it's a big one but um but the the the larger macro thing even beyond bigger

01:33:58.660 than than Israel is um just in general uh you're looking at 80 years give or take um of serious

01:34:08.920 suppression of speech and and now we're looking at think of it like this um it's and i i think

01:34:17.720 there's a lot of parallels i think it's really cool in the providence of god to to you know

01:34:21.420 speculate within reason of what the lord might be doing in in his sovereign will but 500 years ago

01:34:27.120 it's pretty much 500 years 2017 was the 500 year um mark from the reformation yep well god in the

01:34:35.380 first reformation with luther um who had some strong things to say about the jews um god timed

01:34:41.540 up theological reformation of the church with technological innovation and political controversy

01:34:47.160 in the world and political controversy exactly all all three of those things so it's like political

01:34:51.760 upheaval and and turnover um and technological innovation the gutenberg printing press

01:34:59.140 particularly a technological innovation not just for machines or you know for irrigation or you

01:35:06.340 know like but um but particularly to do with information the dissemination of information

01:35:11.640 the gutenberg printing printing press so technological innovation political upheaval

01:35:15.500 and theological reformation um all the same time and i see those three components again

01:35:20.140 today um so gutenberg printing press internet social media and more particularly so internet

01:35:27.280 macro social media being a little bit more specific and then to get really narrow and specific um elon

01:35:32.940 buying uh twitter yeah um and so uh now x and uh and so the point is um you can you can watch even 0.58

01:35:40.820 on tiktok which is controlled and monitored um surveilled by china i it's flooded with hitler

01:35:49.500 speeches translated through ai and different things you know and um into english or whatever

01:35:54.640 language you speak and so um that's like it's like so people are like it's because reformed pastors

01:36:01.640 are anti-semitic and they're you know the head of the snake this this terrible anti-semitism

01:36:07.460 in the rise and they're and they're promulgating these things and their church members no no no

01:36:12.620 um speech has been suppressed for 80 years and all of a sudden there is a the dam has broken

01:36:21.000 there's a flood of a bunch of things that you weren't allowed to see and some of these things

01:36:26.360 you weren't allowed to see like gk chesterton would say um before taking a fence down you should

01:36:31.680 be able to explain the reason why it was put up in the first place and then you it may be a fence

01:36:36.000 after knowing the reason the reason might be bad and the fence really might need to come down but

01:36:39.600 it'd be good to know who put up the fence and why did they do it um well here's the deal um the fence

01:36:45.000 is is down the dam is broken there's a flood of all these things that you couldn't really find

01:36:50.380 before or know before, rushing in like a flood, some of those things were suppressed for a reason.

01:36:56.280 Some of them really are just unhinged, false, historically false, morally reprehensible.

01:37:04.380 That's true. And some of them were suppressed, not for good reasons, but for nefarious reasons.

01:37:09.540 Some of them are true things that were suppressed. And so, in my opinion, pastorally,

01:37:16.380 the solution much easier said than done. But the solution is not to try to rebuild the dam

01:37:24.480 or even put back up the fence. The solution is to work hard at gaining discernment and then

01:37:34.360 leading others, particularly young men, in gaining discernment so that they can discern between

01:37:39.700 the Anon account.

01:37:44.800 I know it's anon, but I'm going to say Anon.

01:37:48.560 So help me God.

01:37:49.640 Here I am.

01:37:50.200 Future apology video from dual web and incoming.

01:37:52.760 Come what may, I'm saying Anon.

01:37:54.440 I love it.

01:37:55.260 I love it.

01:37:56.100 Anon.

01:37:56.540 So the Anon account on X, their handle is at, 1.00

01:38:01.300 I hate Jews and I hope they all die, you know, 777. 0.99

01:38:06.220 um like who's saying you know like you know here's here's a absolutely historically valid 1.00

01:38:14.620 piece of information like um probably you know probably want to take that one with a grain of

01:38:19.900 salt it's probably probably not not going to be helpful probably not not morally uh pleasing to

01:38:24.260 the lord or historically accurate um like some people aren't like i'm going to say this i'm

01:38:30.220 gonna say it i need to say europa 12-part documentary series um i've dabbled uh i've

01:38:40.220 dabbled and uh i watched them and i and i had people you know recommend it to me people um who

01:38:45.080 who are christians who love the lord they're not bad people they don't they don't hate jews or

01:38:49.000 think they need to be rounded up or anything like that but they're like but this is a problem

01:38:52.320 post-war consensus is terrible talmud of judaism is terrible the modern state of of israel is not 0.64

01:38:58.160 each and every individual, but our relationship with them and our government and politically, 0.82

01:39:01.620 it's terrible. And all those things I agree with. And they said, this is a really good series and

01:39:06.380 really good history, and you should check it out. And I checked it out and then looked at other

01:39:10.680 writings and compared it to other things and talked to other guys who are smarter than me

01:39:14.500 and better read than me. And my final consensus is that I don't think it's a sin to watch that

01:39:21.080 series, but I don't think it's particularly helpful. If you're going to watch it, I think

01:39:24.340 you need to watch it with somebody who's better read than you and also maybe more godly and mature

01:39:29.280 than you, who can offer some pushback and help you with discernment, because I don't think that

01:39:34.300 it's historically that accurate. I really don't. So my point is, there is a flood right now,

01:39:40.540 and there's a bunch of things that come out, and it's like, this is the truth, and some of it's

01:39:46.020 not. But then there's other things that come out that have been suppressed, where I'm like,

01:39:50.800 this as i've corresponded with other things and talked to people and read other this i actually

01:39:56.060 think is true this really was a psyop and and uh for 80 years and this thing actually is true and

01:40:01.220 it makes a huge difference and people should know this and so every every uh you are going to see

01:40:07.840 doc i mark my words for the next it's not it's not going away and the guys are like well let's

01:40:13.480 just not deal with it then i don't know what to tell you um if you're not willing to deal with it

01:40:17.220 then you are going to be offering a disservice to your parishioners if you're a pastor

01:40:25.840 because they're going to be reading these things, thinking about these things.

01:40:30.660 If they're not, they're going to have family members and friends and co-workers.

01:40:34.360 It's not going away.

01:40:35.820 Tucker Carlson just finished his third interview on the subject in the last, what, like three months?

01:40:41.840 Tucker Carlson, which is fairly normie.

01:40:46.240 I like Tucker.

01:40:47.220 i'm not knocking him but like it it's he's not it's not stew peters or nick fuentes you know it's 0.84

01:40:53.180 tucker carlson candace owens is a little bit a little bit she wasn't normie no no she just won

01:40:59.840 she just won anti-semit of the year of the year congratulations another dei win our boys are in

01:41:05.080 the trenches right but like but exactly but my but my point is like candace owens i would say

01:41:09.860 is a little less normie than tucker carlson but um but uh but she's still not as as unhinged as

01:41:17.760 others as much as people try to make her sound as though she is um and even if she was we're

01:41:22.680 talking about a massive platform but that's my big point is the toothpaste is not going back in

01:41:26.860 the tube um everyone is going to be thinking about this and they're going to be flooded

01:41:31.400 with information and so um g k chesterton is right uh if a fence is put up um somebody put

01:41:38.060 it up for a reason that now the fact that it was put up for a reason doesn't mean the reason is

01:41:41.380 right or just or still or still or the reason still relevant applicable exactly so uh but here's

01:41:47.340 the point the fence was torn down for better or for worse i think macro for better um micro though

01:41:54.120 and like some things because the fence is down are going to rush back in and some of them will

01:41:57.940 be unhelpful some of them will be downright sinful um and you're going to need uh discernment but

01:42:05.380 yes this is going to continue to be a thing i think it needs to be a thing because i think

01:42:10.400 there really are some big lies that need to be expelled and revealed and um and because it's

01:42:16.800 going to continue to be a relevant thing not just for christians but every single american and really

01:42:22.480 the whole world but especially in america because america has had such a tight relationship with

01:42:26.800 israel this is from tucker carlson to candace owens to thomas massey to um this is going to

01:42:33.780 continue to be a conversation and um and as long as it is a massive conversation which it is and i

01:42:39.820 perceive years um then right response ministries is is going to try to help people we're going to

01:42:45.820 talk about it yeah so from a reformed biblical perspective we are going to talk about it also

01:42:51.140 and try to help christians navigate through it and say talmudic judaism really is bad it is 0.78

01:42:56.380 uniquely pernicious well all false religions are pernicious uh-huh and this one i'm saying is

01:43:01.380 uniquely so it really is uniquely pernicious um uh our relationship with uh the israeli government 0.88

01:43:09.260 really is a problem um the nuremberg trials um performed by the communists and bolsheviks

01:43:20.380 and jews not not every tribe but some of them um really is suspect to say are these unbiased

01:43:29.700 findings? Is this objective? So there really are things to talk about. There really, really are.

01:43:37.480 And some of the things, this dam that's been broken, some of the things that are now rushing

01:43:42.080 back in are things that are true. And some of them are vile. But Christians need to talk about

01:43:52.200 it, wade through it, figure it out. And we are hoping as a ministry to help with that.

01:43:57.860 okay all right next questions on you uh go down it's uh yeah and actually no not so far Nate

01:44:05.480 I think actually Wes you and I've talked about we want to do some episodes on this topic so we

01:44:10.920 might not get into this question a whole time yes but what's your thoughts on the Weimar Republic

01:44:14.980 do you see any similarities between the Weimar Republic in the U.S. today I don't think in my

01:44:21.240 understanding of we're as far the public so the Weimar Republic is this period post-World War II

01:44:25.840 So you have after the Treaty of Versailles.

01:44:27.300 Post-World War I.

01:44:28.080 Or World War I.

01:44:28.720 Yep.

01:44:29.120 You have the Treaty of Versailles.

01:44:30.160 It sacks Germany with all these sanctions and costs and pensions.

01:44:33.240 And it declined entirely as a nation. 0.93

01:44:34.840 So perversion, a lot of it, Jewish perversion, communist perversion, came rushing in, specifically along sexual perversion. 0.93

01:44:41.300 I mean, they had inflation that was incredible. 0.95

01:44:43.360 Yep.

01:44:43.580 So they had economic inflation, but even culturally.

01:44:45.480 I know.

01:44:45.840 Yep. 1.00

01:44:46.100 I mean, like Christian women were having to prostitute themselves just to pay for food.

01:44:49.540 So I don't think it's as public as the Weimar Republic, but it's getting pretty close. 0.98

01:44:54.640 There are similarities.

01:44:55.400 The question is, are there similarities?

01:44:56.640 Yeah, there are.

01:44:57.420 Yeah, and that's just another reason.

01:44:59.380 So it's like, is it a bunch of anti-Semitic Reformed pastors like you and Andrew Esker

01:45:05.760 and Brian Silvey that have got this in the Reformed Church?

01:45:09.180 No.

01:45:10.620 TikTok, X, Candace Owens, Martyr Made podcast on Tucker Carlson. 0.99

01:45:18.580 That's what got the ball rolling.

01:45:21.280 And then the only question is just within Reformed Church.

01:45:24.780 It got the ball rolling everywhere, everywhere, including Reformed churches, not especially

01:45:28.860 Reformed churches, but including Reformed churches.

01:45:32.440 And Reformed churches, I think, are just a little bit more open because they tend to

01:45:36.200 be less dispensational.

01:45:37.740 That's all it is, is just theologically, because they're not Zionist, right?

01:45:42.060 Like, we're not John Hagee.

01:45:44.420 So because of that, there was just more willingness to listen to something like the Martyr Maid

01:45:50.080 podcast you know like the uh what is it the new um fear and loathing in the new jerusalem you know

01:45:55.680 the six-part series world war ii series is going to be great i'm going to be awesome yeah because

01:45:59.600 he's not unhinged he's a good but he is truthful and he's a good historian and he's a good

01:46:04.020 storyteller yeah um but but sticking to historical fact and um so anyways uh so that's what it wasn't

01:46:10.420 reformed uh pastors planting seeds of anti-semitism you know which is a made-up word um i don't even

01:46:17.400 like the framing because it's a it's a marxist framing but um but it was um it was the the the

01:46:25.060 dam breaking the the flood of is that technological innovation gutenberg printing press comes on the

01:46:29.800 scene well internet you know if you want to blame someone you need to blame um uh who is it john

01:46:36.700 carey or not john carey al gore yeah he invented the internet it's his fault it's not me and brian

01:46:42.460 of Al Gore, you know. No, but it's the internet, it's social media, and it's now X. Those are your

01:46:49.320 big factors, and it's Tucker Carlson, it's Candace Owens. It's these things. It's the fall of the

01:46:55.080 legacy media and the rise of the new press. That's what it is. Alternative media. That's what it is.

01:47:00.300 That's the source. And then if there is any more of a propensity within reformed churches to look

01:47:08.500 into these issues, it's the fact that Reformed people, typically because of their covenantal 0.97

01:47:14.000 theology, tend to be less Zionist, you know, and that totally makes sense. And Reformed pastors

01:47:21.640 need to know that some of their parishioners will go too far. But most aren't. Most aren't.

01:47:28.600 And so, anyway, so we're going to have to navigate it. And then the last thing I was going to say,

01:47:33.300 and it's also, I think there are parallels from the Weimar Republic to what's going on right now

01:47:38.300 in these United States.

01:47:39.860 But in that sense, there are parallels,

01:47:42.220 and I think we can look to that,

01:47:43.220 and I think that that can be wise and helpful

01:47:45.060 in terms of looking at problems

01:47:48.380 and looking at if we don't deal with this,

01:47:50.540 this is what can come about.

01:47:52.280 But in terms of looking for solutions,

01:47:54.540 I think that Germany did some good things,

01:47:57.460 believe it or not, right? 0.94

01:47:58.780 Like Nazis drank water, and so do I. 0.64

01:48:02.320 Sorry. 0.63

01:48:03.680 Yeah, I think like certain tax credits,

01:48:05.620 you know, for being pro-children,

01:48:07.460 you know having children is a good thing and there's going to be a public benefit to that

01:48:10.920 it's a good thing banning perversion they ban banning perversion from the libraries and all

01:48:15.540 those like it's a good thing it's just objectively good um however look to the parallels for the

01:48:21.320 problems recognize that they had some solutions uh that were good and some that were absolutely

01:48:27.980 uh too far and immoral um so look to the parallels with the problems in terms of solutions though

01:48:33.840 um gosh darn it i uh i'm not german god bless germany but i'm an american red-blooded um

01:48:43.800 proud to be american uh i'm gonna look to bible first as a christian and then american not german 0.60

01:48:52.240 but american history second as an american so when i'm looking at parallels for the problem

01:48:56.960 diagnosing the problem um i i do look at 1930s germany when i look for solutions i'm looking to

01:49:03.600 the founders of my country because i think uh they were um explicitly christian and um and uh

01:49:12.680 they were more godly men they were better men and uh and they had more biblical better solutions so

01:49:19.780 that's that's what i want to keep pointing people towards stephen wolf the same kind of thing it's

01:49:23.380 like like um he's you know as a kid said he would be j-pilled not unhinged but he he you know he's

01:49:31.120 done the reading knows he does he's done the reading he knows but he's like no i'm not like

01:49:35.640 i'm not gonna um i'm not gonna uh try to attempt to lie nice hitler one um it's he doesn't feel

01:49:43.940 like it's historically defensible um and two he's like we i we don't need hitler one was not a

01:49:52.200 christian prince number two we don't need him to make him a christian prince we literally have

01:49:58.340 christian princes yeah we have george washington we have john adams we have stonewall jackson we

01:50:04.800 have um we have um booker um uh or a cotton mather we we like we we're good we've got winthrop we've

01:50:13.460 got you know there's nothing innovative about like ban wicked things and promote good things

01:50:17.960 right that's germinated this out of the other it's romans 13 like i don't they're not the only

01:50:22.220 type of people in the world that ever said wickedness shouldn't be allowed in the public

01:50:25.120 square it's not like we have this tool and we uncover it like here's the secret you use political

01:50:30.300 power like romans 13 says to get rid of wickedness awesome okay got that now we need some solutions

01:50:36.440 for a unified set of states yeah gathered underneath a federal government yeah with

01:50:40.440 three legislative branches but well how do we work within that and what's the way out of the

01:50:44.080 two-party gridlock system etc yep we'll come back to glorious and free ministries i want to tackle

01:50:48.780 that one okay go ahead let's come back to that michael michael is a teacher and and an author

01:50:54.120 So let's do that one right after.

01:50:56.780 That's on writing.

01:50:57.980 So we'll do that. 0.94

01:50:58.840 Go down, Nathan, to the women's Bible studies.

01:51:01.840 You know I saw it.

01:51:03.200 You know I saw it, and I can't help myself.

01:51:07.140 Here we go.

01:51:07.740 So this is Erin Perryman again, which, honestly, $500 super chat.

01:51:11.720 You've got to give her another question.

01:51:14.720 She earned it. 1.00

01:51:16.080 Question, should women teach Bible studies? 1.00

01:51:18.660 Answer, no. 1.00

01:51:20.020 All right.

01:51:21.040 I'm somewhat serious.

01:51:21.860 And then she fleshes it out in parentheses.

01:51:24.680 She says, to other women only, of course.

01:51:27.620 Or is this something only for men to do?

01:51:30.300 So this is, in a nutshell, this is my position.

01:51:34.140 It's like, well, what about ties to older women training younger women?

01:51:36.540 Yes, of course, that's Bible.

01:51:38.260 I like the Bible. 0.77

01:51:39.220 I'm pro-Bible.

01:51:40.780 But what is always said by the complementarian, functionally egalitarian crew is they'll point

01:51:51.000 to Ties 2 and they'll say, well, yeah, so women, you know, they can't preach on Sunday or even

01:51:55.760 outside of Sunday, you know, if it's a mixed group of men and women, you know, at a conference or 0.99

01:51:59.800 something, they shouldn't teach. But older women can teach, you know, to an exclusively female 0.99

01:52:05.580 crowd, especially older women, in terms of, you know, what are they going to teach? Well, it says,

01:52:11.600 you know, Ties 2 says they should teach the good. And I would just want to say, just finish the

01:52:18.900 text i'm on board but let's just um everything that you just said so far i agree with let's just

01:52:24.360 keep reading and if you finish the text the way i read it hermeneutically is the good is um is

01:52:32.120 the headline and then and then uh it's like teach them uh content substance a curriculum that is

01:52:40.280 objectively good and what is the good uh and then paul listed and what he lists is all things

01:52:48.820 dealing with a woman's uniquely domestic feminine role in the home on a daily basis. How to be

01:52:57.220 submissive to their husbands, lovers of children, loving their children, not given to much wine,

01:53:04.580 not given to gossip, which men can gossip, but there are certain sins that men are more inclined

01:53:10.360 towards, and there are certain sins that women are more inclined towards. So even when it says

01:53:14.800 teaching the good in terms of which sins to avoid even the sins listed are i would argue

01:53:19.640 predominantly um sins that have more of a feminine inclination so everything that paul lists so i

01:53:25.320 don't think it's um women as long as there's not men in the crowd women can do a bible study and

01:53:30.420 teach theology proper uh the the trinity the doctrine of impassibility uh you know divine

01:53:35.880 simplicity they can be teaching uh the hypostatic union they can be teaching you know reform

01:53:40.940 soteriology political philosophy you know anything that's good anything that's good as long as there's

01:53:46.400 only women being taught i don't think that's what paul's saying i think what he's saying is they

01:53:51.000 teach the good and what is the good keep reading what paul how he describes it and what he describes

01:53:56.000 is teaching those things that are uniquely domestic and feminine when it comes to the

01:54:01.960 practical life of a woman the practical life her relationship with her husband her relationship

01:54:07.100 with her kids, her relationship with other women, not to be a gossip and given too much wine to be

01:54:11.980 a busybody. Those are the kinds of things that are mentioned. So I think to have a women-only

01:54:17.580 context with older women teaching women, not theology in a macro general sense, but teaching

01:54:26.080 them theology, all biblical theology, but applied practically to those things unique to a woman.

01:54:32.740 so here's what the bible says and particularly we want to talk about how does this uh relate to

01:54:37.940 avoiding gossip how does this relate to being a mother how does this relate to um being a wife

01:54:43.200 and being submissive in your uh in your marriage how does it um i'm all for that what i'm not for

01:54:49.540 is women in the public sphere talking to and and saying well my podcast is for women you know or

01:54:56.860 my conference circuit is for women or my book is for women but then teaching something that's not

01:55:01.960 really uniquely for women right um it it's it's just a general political content or general

01:55:10.100 theological content or and you might even be right i'm not even saying that your your general

01:55:14.580 theology is is is bad theology or or your general political philosophy is bad political philosophy

01:55:21.440 um but you are it's it's not just well men might tune into your podcast that that wouldn't be my

01:55:27.300 argument because men shouldn't tune into the podcast you know like if you're a man you're

01:55:31.280 listening to Ali Beth Stuckey, like, start listening to Orrin McIntyre. Start listening

01:55:34.500 to Stephen, what's wrong with you? Stop it. Stop that. You know, that's my biblical counsel. Stop

01:55:38.760 it. But, so I'm not going to fault her or any other, you know, female podcaster for men tuning 0.59

01:55:45.820 in. That's not their fault. But what I will say is, one, if you're a woman in a particular stage

01:55:52.460 of life where you have young children, then make sure that your teaching of women is not

01:56:00.000 interfering with a home. And so maybe you can streamline it. I don't know. God alone sees the 1.00

01:56:08.660 heart. I don't know. I don't have surveillance cameras on female podcasters. And so I don't

01:56:12.740 want to be too presumptuous here because I want to be fair. But I would say that if you have a

01:56:17.920 five-day-a-week podcast, that's a lot of podcasting. I dabble in podcasting myself. It takes time.

01:56:26.120 And so I would just say, so one, if you're a woman,

01:56:30.380 you should be teaching women.

01:56:32.260 If men tune in, that's not your fault.

01:56:33.600 I won't fault you there.

01:56:35.180 But what stage of life are you in?

01:56:38.120 Do you have young children in the home?

01:56:39.460 Then you need to be especially present.

01:56:42.100 So I think your podcasting should be strategic

01:56:45.140 and streamlined and simple.

01:56:47.620 Maybe you don't go into the studio,

01:56:49.040 those kinds of, you do it at home,

01:56:49.980 like Lexi does with Brian,

01:56:50.980 after the kids go to bed, whatever.

01:56:52.520 Those practical advice,

01:56:54.020 and it probably fewer and further between.

01:56:55.400 like once a week instead of once a day, those kinds of things. And then number two, and this

01:56:59.260 is the big one, landing the plane, Titus 2, you're teaching women, so the Bible does let women teach

01:57:04.480 women, and the Bible does let women teach women the Bible, but it's the Bible particularly applied,

01:57:10.180 and it's applied to women being womanly. It's teaching the good, the good of Scripture,

01:57:17.380 the theological christian overarching good of the bible but particularly applied to

01:57:24.880 being a wife being a mom not being a gossip um these these kinds of things so so that should be

01:57:32.980 if if a woman's listening to your podcast and it's just political current events and cultural events

01:57:39.760 um and and it's and it's and it's just kind of general and it's not uniquely

01:57:45.180 geared towards women then i yeah i don't think that's tightest too i just don't think that's

01:57:51.420 tightest too but if it's uh once a week bright hearth in the name of the podcast and the sole

01:57:56.900 subject of the podcast is um the uh like they recently did a whole podcast on uh cleaning

01:58:02.700 supplies with with chemicals and how to protect your family yeah and and then like cooking and

01:58:09.700 seed oils and and of course like tons of them on wifely submission and then a ton of them on

01:58:14.840 parenting and again i'm talking about bright hearth with brian sauvet and lexi sauvet recorded

01:58:18.520 once a week if that audio only in bed at 9 p.m when the kids are asleep on uniquely domestic

01:58:27.660 household wifely things that is fine and i see lexi on king's hall or right and i still probably

01:58:34.660 wouldn't have lexi come on the show and partly because brian would probably say no um and he

01:58:39.900 would be right because even though i would only i wouldn't have her to come on and talk about 1.00

01:58:43.740 political philosophy it'd be about cleaning supplies or something like that for those women 1.00

01:58:47.220 who in our audience who listen all 13 of you um and uh and that wouldn't technically be wrong in

01:58:54.500 the same way it wasn't wrong when i had rosario butterfield but like i said earlier in the episode

01:58:57.920 right now feminism is so predominant that i just don't um like like the scripture says avoid every 0.96

01:59:04.260 appearance of evil it wouldn't be evil in the objective but in the subjective optic it could 0.63

01:59:10.560 it could continue promoting because because people would they would point to and say well

01:59:15.520 joel's patriarchal and he's okay with it and then what they would do is they would have women not

01:59:19.780 once every six months like i have but they'd have women come on the podcast every other appearance

01:59:24.600 every other appearance to talk about pushing the overton window with political discourse and 1.00

01:59:30.280 theological discourse um and using a woman as a pawn you know because a man might get more flack 1.00

01:59:35.180 and it wouldn't be unique to the feminine domestic role like it would be abused that's so that's my

01:59:42.040 position so women can they do a bible say yes for only women like like um the the person who asked

01:59:48.420 the question said uh yes they can do a bible study only for women um but if it's only for women

01:59:55.140 it needs to be related its contents need to be related to womenly things and if it's like well

02:00:02.760 but what if women want to learn from the bible about theology proper there uh here's the beautiful

02:00:07.640 thing um the lord's day is not only for men yep the women get to sit so so now switching from

02:00:14.880 titus 2 last thing i'll say is first timothy 2 now verses 9 through 15 um paul says a woman must

02:00:21.880 learn which was countercultural for the time right because a lot of women were uneducated

02:00:25.960 the they viewed it as what's the point why does she need to learn which she does need to learn 1.00

02:00:30.340 especially when you think of, well, who's typically doing the lion's share of the homeschooling? 0.99

02:00:35.220 Do you want your kids to be dumb? Well, you need your wife to learn it. So we want women to read. 1.00

02:00:41.500 We want them to learn. So we first talked about teaching. I've told you what I think about that.

02:00:45.040 Now learning. We're not saying that women shouldn't learn. Paul says a woman must learn. 0.89

02:00:52.740 And the only thing he says is he qualifies what demeanor, what disposition she should learn with,

02:00:57.240 a quiet and submissive position, disposition. And then he says, I don't allow her to teach or

02:01:04.340 exercise authority over a man. That's two prohibitions, not one. It's not teaching with

02:01:08.100 authority. It's teaching or authority. Neither of those is permissible, exercising authority over

02:01:13.380 men or teaching over men. But then cross-reference to Titus 2, a woman, older woman, can teach 1.00

02:01:19.120 younger women. But I think the curriculum is also contained in Titus 2. The only way it's

02:01:26.400 appropriate for women to teach is if it's a woman only context if it's a woman only context 1.00

02:01:30.900 with a woman teaching then the subject matter should be womanly things and then if you're 0.75

02:01:36.280 saying so should women only learn now now we're not talking about teaching we're talking about 0.98

02:01:39.840 learning women should only learn womanly things no i never said women can't go to church right

02:01:44.080 calvin's institute is not guarded for right i never said a woman can't read calvin's institute

02:01:48.980 that would be my answer that is always not always because i didn't i had to learn how to talk you

02:01:55.700 know i i've been in development um but for the last three years flared up about two years ago

02:02:02.520 definitely last two years i think arguably three years that has been my position it has been

02:02:07.140 misrepresented a million times um but that's my position and i think it's a thoroughly biblical

02:02:12.000 and reasonable position all right let's go to michael's question about i'll just tackle it

02:02:15.980 quickly right it's in the question uh yep go ahead glorious and free uh what sort of stories

02:02:22.920 or genres of fiction, would you like to see more Christian authors try to write

02:02:26.400 and to tell good Christian stories? And then he says, God bless and Merry Christmas

02:02:30.780 from your Canadian ally. And we established earlier, he has written

02:02:34.820 at least one children's book. This is something, my

02:02:38.480 training is in creative writing. And so I'm currently

02:02:42.860 working on developing a project on an American mythology.

02:02:48.020 And I think, to answer your question, I actually talked to Stephen Wolf

02:02:50.880 about this recently i think that christians so you're in canada i'm in the u.s christians need

02:02:58.420 to recapture the stories that honor and inspire and motivate the spirit of their nation and so

02:03:04.960 that's my i don't know what that looks like in a canadian context or if you're writing in in

02:03:09.640 england but i think we need um the types of stories like i'm thinking the arthurian legend

02:03:15.340 for england like we need things that embody the vision of your nation and and particularly it

02:03:22.840 doesn't have to be a gospel presentation at the end of every story but in a godly um inspiring

02:03:29.580 courageous well-written way christians need to write the stories that inspire the spirit of

02:03:35.320 their nation as they conceive it in the best possible christian way i like that that's really

02:03:40.240 good yeah nathan did we have any more super we do have some also nathan can you just i'd like to

02:03:45.380 know how many people are watching if you can give me um x and okay is that uh combined yeah

02:03:52.220 yep okay all right here we go uh let's go ahead and make this the last one for today well we've

02:03:58.860 got big rig butters that we have to read joel oh he says if you if i hand you a check for five

02:04:05.240 thousand dollars at trash world will you do enter the sandman on the piccolo remix five thousand

02:04:11.180 dollars yeah but bitcoin is 85 000 at the time too well here's the thing i i don't think i can

02:04:17.100 um i i could i could dabble i don't think i could play that what if we dabbed the piccolo in

02:04:22.620 yeah we could try to double somebody else said uh the other paul he said um it says five dollars

02:04:28.400 um but it's actually bitcoin so i win i i doubt that he just 500 g i doubt he just gave us half

02:04:35.900 a million dollars yeah right yeah um we're not even set up to receive bitcoin yeah that'd be

02:04:39.360 great if we were um okay so then we had uh super chats um from connor suba said merry christmas

02:04:47.580 uh connor suba thank you so much generous gift all right and then i think is this the last one

02:04:53.440 now nate gabriel or nellis someone want to read that if the constitution contains an anti-christian

02:05:02.140 provision should you still follow it or act to change it or can you rebel against it it's a good

02:05:08.280 question i'm gonna go with i mean you fall back on what you know right doug wilson said it's

02:05:13.580 permissible to resist the tyrannical income tax rate but it might not be wise for you to be in

02:05:18.980 jail for the rest of your life and leave your kids so if there's a provision in the constitution

02:05:23.020 that requires sin we must disobey it right but if there's something in there that is tyrannical

02:05:29.140 in in that sense ungodly unbiblical and christian you know you can bear up under that yeah it i would

02:05:38.520 struggle to say within the constitution and then the amendments to it because you can get really

02:05:43.880 picky with proof texting and like well this is sin this is not like even the 19th amendment

02:05:47.540 someone's pointed out i think it was philip derrida like one of the reasons they gave women

02:05:51.060 the right to vote was there was a lot of male irish and catholic immigrants coming in and so

02:05:54.920 the anglo-protestants that were there actually gave women the right to vote and so that their

02:05:58.680 vote wouldn't be eroded which is kind of the particular in that scenario there was some

02:06:03.220 support for like hey well let's maybe have women vote all that being said also widows who became 0.98

02:06:08.040 the head of their widows became house of the heads of households so like we push back against the

02:06:11.540 19th amendment right we think it should go away but there are particular cases where it would not

02:06:16.360 be black and white division of the household vote sin there could be mitigating factors so i would

02:06:22.720 say i would struggle to find in the constitution in the in the the amendments that have followed

02:06:27.340 up to it true sin what we're dealing with is the interpretation like the civil rights act to where

02:06:32.860 it creates protected class to where it's discriminatory so all that being said peter i

02:06:38.980 mean they were under a wicked emperor yeah honor the emperor give respect to him so in almost all

02:06:44.520 cases and i can't imagine a law well i'm sure it's happened but like you as a christian must go

02:06:49.280 and bow down to this idol like that hasn't happened for a long time yeah i mean the pinch

02:06:52.880 of incense to caesar that but that was a very long time ago so if we're not truly talking in

02:06:57.280 those scenarios yeah pinch of an chest to an idol uh closing your church because of covid

02:07:01.180 right i think you do have to obey but you fight through the legal mechanisms whoa this application

02:07:07.380 that a church has to hire a diverse range of individuals um absolutely those you push back

02:07:11.940 kind of say for one that's not the intention of what was laid there it would not have been in the

02:07:15.920 founding father's ideals for the constitution and i refuse to apply it in this way to my church

02:07:21.300 and hire you know like someone that's gay or what have you not christian yep that's well said yep

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The NXR Podcast - December 19, 2024

THE LIVESTREAM - Ask Us Anything： Wrapping Up 2024 & Big Announcements For 2025!

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