From Beijing to Budapest to Boston, birth rates are in free fall, governments have tried cash bonuses, tax breaks, and even subsidized minivans, but none of it is working. secular progressives cheer the decline, claiming that it means liberation for women and fewer carbon footprints. Meanwhile, conservatives raise alarms arguing that civilizational continuity is impossible without children.
00:06:08.280The second perspective is actually, this is good that the population is going down.
00:06:14.360In fact, we have too many people as it is.
00:06:17.380And if the population of the Earth were a few less billion people, then that would be actually better in the long run anyway.0.87
00:06:25.100And so there are people who argue either that the global population isn't shrinking, which in a sense is true because of the third world nations that are increasing, or that argue it is shrinking and this is a good thing.
00:06:40.200We just need to manage the decline of the West and of the huge populations that we have in the West.
00:06:47.380So just to establish some facts, even though this is pretty well established, I was surprised doing the research that there are people who say it's just scaremongering, right?
00:31:20.840And the darker orange or red that you see is places where women would have more kids.0.96
00:31:29.540They want to have more kids, but for a variety of reasons, and it doesn't specify here on the picture, but for a variety of reasons, they have fewer kids than they want.1.00
00:31:38.360the kind of neutral colors in there the tan colors is where women's perceived um does amount of kids0.99
00:31:47.180that they want to have is what they actually do have and then there are some places the blue the0.62
00:31:51.860dark blue where um those are places where women are having maybe a kid more than maybe they think1.00
00:31:59.820that they would be able to support or have so what's interesting is a lot of women globally
00:32:05.400say at least you know i would have on average another kid or another half a kid again we're
00:32:12.500dealing with averages but something is keeping me from being able to do that and like you say joel
00:32:17.180this could be economics i know in taiwan a man is is it's very hard to buy property there it's
00:32:24.060very expensive germany's the same way you don't buy houses in germany no you rent a small little
00:32:28.760place for the rest of your life and the houses are passed down yeah a little flat um families
00:32:34.100in taiwan basically they had the option of having a kid or two and living with grandma and grandpa
00:32:39.820for a very very long time you buy a tiny little apartment for a million dollars yep if you're
00:32:45.240lucky and and then you pay what it's like 50 that's right in taxes yep germany very clearly uh
00:32:52.320seems like a country that lost a significant war and never recovered right they're just defeated
00:32:57.920people i remember going to germany when i was in high school and all the men like physically like
00:33:01.480looking at the ground you know they wouldn't quite make eye contact when they spoke to you
00:33:05.120um it's really sad um i did see hermit's correction thanks for that hermit i'm thinking
00:33:10.260too of like the fact that china reversed the one child policy in 2015 which was quite a while ago
00:33:15.900their population is largely aging out too so well that policy is mostly disadvantaged women
00:33:21.460so it favored one child policy favoring of one child only and then a lot of abortions were
00:33:26.600carried on girls that's correct and so it's destroyed japan china and to a certain effect0.55
00:33:31.600korea as well because then there's a dearth of women like the average i've read a paper a while0.79
00:33:36.320ago but the average male in japan is 29 single never even kissed a girl like that's just no
00:33:42.000option to because the ratio is off and it's not like oh he's not getting out there there's tons
00:33:45.500of opportunity australia is one of the one places actually where there's more women than men but0.95
00:33:49.520that terrible wicked policy in china has destroyed now for a generation the actual literal availability0.76
00:33:55.200of women to marry men and to have a family.0.94
00:33:58.160Talking about the one-child policy?0.99
00:34:23.100that people are trying to explain this.
00:34:24.400The second one has to do with the potential, and here we delve into the conspiracy a little bit, but of global control of population and the idea that it's in the best interests of those who are in control to have the global population decrease for a variety of reasons.
00:34:43.260and we're going to play two clips from tucker carlson's most recent um interview and um the
00:34:50.940the interview is about the global banking system and how um this was a fascinating this was super
00:34:58.000interesting yeah you guys should i did i got us i did find it a little funny it's like centralized
00:35:02.880bankers right versus the west and i was like you're telling me that there's a profession
00:35:07.200known as centralized bankers and that they're somehow trying to oppress and destroy the west
00:35:12.620you're telling me this for the first time who are these bankers who are these bankers alex jones
00:35:16.940you know who they are the globalists the marxists the bankers okay all right so nate just told me
00:35:21.540that we only have the one clip so i'm going to summarize the first one because it's important
00:35:24.400for the second one okay um the guest is saying that there's a link between global currency the
00:35:31.040control of global currency and finance and ai and the um emerging need for energy because ai takes
00:35:40.020so much energy. We are going to have to produce energy on an unprecedented scale. And so she says
00:35:48.180that really what's been going on since 1994, which if you guys, it's so interesting that that was
00:35:55.140such an important date. But even before that, global control systems being built up and that
00:36:01.720now the the idea of ai being attached to um financial systems payment systems things like
00:36:09.440that that the the elite have in place systems of she calls it the control grid um so her theory is
00:36:19.680that a ton of new energy is going to have to be produced right and so with that being said let's
00:36:28.120look at this clip um it's about it's about two minutes long um and you're going to think for a
00:36:34.480minute oh we're kind of in the weeds and then the hammer is going to drop okay so stay with it
00:36:38.320and you're going to see tucker's response all right let's so i wonder if the ai if the data
00:36:43.220center boom which really is the only sort of crackling sparkling piece of the real estate
00:36:48.120market right now i think it's building data centers development market um just call them
00:37:12.320So like either they're going to build it on coal deposits in Wyoming or, which is going to be kind of hard because they're going to have to say all that climate stuff we've been yelling at you about for 30 years.0.96
00:37:22.640just total bull****. Now we're burning coal. I don't know if they can. Well, there was just an
00:37:26.160article in Bloomberg that Texas needs 30 new nuclear plants and the Chinese are building
00:37:30.700enormous numbers of nuclear plants. Yeah. And there are risks in nuclear. I mean, I'm a right
00:37:35.620winger and I've always defended nuclear, but let's be totally honest, like it's not risk-free big
00:37:39.280time. Well, here's the thing. How do you govern and manage nuclear plants with leadership that's
00:37:44.900not agreement capable? Completely. And also like in a country that's not turning out enough
00:37:50.520people in the heart not enough engineers um right so no there are huge problems with that
00:37:55.460and um but that's like that question is being forced on policymakers like what do you do about
00:38:01.760energy what do you do about energy what do you and wind and solar like we're going to be laughing
00:38:05.460about that in five years because it's just silly well one of the things you can do about energy is
00:38:09.560depopulate right right i'm and i know for a fact i'm not guessing at this that there are people
00:38:17.060running countries around the world who've thought about like what does AI mean for my population
00:38:21.620means I've got too many people so this is something I know this for a fact I'm not guessing
00:38:26.120that leaders of countries are talking about between each other like I know that and I'm
00:38:31.800not saying they're committing genocide or whatever but they know that they're about
00:38:36.360they're just looking at hard statistics they are that's exactly right
00:38:39.120so there's the second explanation is that we are in a managed decline of population global
00:38:49.620population manipulated yeah decline a manipulated managed global population decline yeah yeah people
00:38:55.680with families they're hard to control like men and women that own land i mean that is your greatest
00:39:01.120risk of a revolution right about the american revolution whatever it would be i mean that's
00:39:05.800that's a risk factor and so if you can take men and you plug them into the economic machine
00:39:10.160by golly take the women too and if they get a kid you're just talking about like the inability to0.99
00:39:15.360actually buy land and dirt and all of these things i can't imagine if my wife had to raise our kids
00:39:20.080in a condo like no backyard no fresh air for them to go out to no just go outside get your energy0.56
00:39:26.060out of course she'd be at one and she'd be like i can't do it we can't have any more trapped in
00:39:30.680here all day and literally that's millions and millions billions of people and they're like i
00:39:35.520maybe got one at best too. This is too much. I can't have anymore. Give me the surgery. Give
00:39:40.940me this. I'm done. Yep. Yep. And so that's explanation number two. The second, the third
00:39:47.040explanation, this is really interesting. And, um, so Nate, let's show image number five. This is a
00:39:52.940perspective on the religious, uh, birth rate among religious people versus non-religious people.
00:39:59.060And so I'll actually show a couple graphs in a row here. So number one here, um, shows the
00:40:04.380fertility rates by religious attendance. Nate, do you have any before that? Okay, so I will just
00:40:11.740summarize two other ones. There is a significant difference. Now, the study that I looked at,
00:40:19.480it just said religious attendees in America. So obviously, most of that is going to be0.99
00:40:24.300Christian attendees, just because Christianity is still the highest, the most dominant or most
00:40:30.380popular religion, but there's a significant increase. People who attend church over once a
00:40:36.760week and who believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God, their birth rate has been
00:40:42.160from about 2.2 up to 2.5 down to 2.2. As soon as you start moving to less than once a week,
00:40:49.860but sometimes or never attending church, the birth rate drops significantly below
00:40:55.080two per woman okay so that's one thing to consider um the other thing nate you can go ahead and put
00:41:02.540that graph up um so this is the replacement rate so this study was so interesting it took into
00:41:13.240account now this is from 2022 i think is as far as it went so it's not accounting for the massive
00:41:18.880increase in Orthodox and Catholic converts right now going on. But the blue, the blue line is the
00:41:29.840number of children that women in a religion would have to have to keep the current number of people0.80
00:41:39.940who are part of that religion stable. So this is barring any sort of conversion. If you've got a
00:41:45.060million people who are Buddhists or a million people who are Christians, and they calculated
00:41:50.580it in the fact that people are leaving Protestantism, they're joining Hinduism or they're
00:41:55.100joining Eastern Orthodox, things like that.
00:41:56.940This is how many people, how many kids a woman in a particular religious group would have
00:42:04.260to have without conversion or evangelism or anything like that to maintain the level of
00:42:10.600that many christians or mormons or jehovah's witness etc and is that related to um because
00:42:17.300they're dying only or because they're dying and leaving it it factors both in okay okay so nate
00:42:23.400put it back up so so it's taking in consideration like right there where it says catholic or
00:42:27.480orthodox eastern orthodox it's saying that they uh the average the average catholic or orthodox0.93
00:42:33.600woman and this is for america yes this is in the u.s in the u.s would have to have over on average
00:42:39.200a little bit above three children in order to just maintain the current numbers of Roman Catholics1.00
00:49:26.780All right, we have two other potential reasons why this is happening.
00:49:30.900Wes is going to talk about one, and then I've got some quotes on the other.
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00:50:34.820all right here we are so one of the things i wanted to touch on i actually it was about a
00:50:42.360week ago or so i had an exchange on x that was super helpful is there's also you think about
00:50:46.860some of these we talked about diversity as a problem well some of these nations like america
00:50:50.100going through a fertility decline we are pretty diverse but south korea is not necessarily the
00:50:54.720kaleidoscope of multiculturalism that the west is and so there's no one solution but another factor
00:50:59.940to keep in mind and i really think it's a big one is what does a country export and so in the case
00:51:04.300of south korea which has one of the worst they're facing one of the worst fertility crises and just
00:51:09.920someone commented and clarified it's only been a couple years that they've been trying to fix it
00:51:13.820so they've been on decline for i looked at the rate last week it's about two to three decades
00:51:18.040i think that it's been declining only the last couple years have they tried to fix it but check
00:51:22.020this out the primary export of korea so what does south korea provide what do they do it's technology
00:51:27.620and its service those are jobs that are very suited for women to be able to do women as far
00:51:32.280as technology they don't require physical strength they don't require a lot of like you can think of0.90
00:51:37.680a resource extraction you can think of agriculture they don't require that and so when you're looking0.83
00:51:41.700at but we want to incentivize women to stay home and have children well that's really tough to do0.95
00:51:46.060if she's like well i'm making 150 000 i have a great social life i go out for drinks every evening
00:51:51.080and i live in an awesome city that's very hard to do certainly because of the city certainly because
00:51:55.740of all these different things it's also just hard because all the jobs are available what that
00:52:00.500society exports is service versus apparently mongolia was starting to have this problem
00:52:06.240and they they got some policies in place and they turned it around pretty quickly here's the
00:52:10.680difference mongolia is an agriculture-based society so you had women that were leaving the
00:52:14.720home and doing different things but honestly just generally speaking women are not begging like0.96
00:52:19.860please send me out right you know send me into the mine send me into the forest send me out there1.00
00:52:25.400to get some cobalt like it was much easier if your primary export is something physical like that
00:52:30.180really only men can do it it's a lot easier in those cases to reverse it to say hey men you want0.97
00:52:36.040your wife to stay home but i understand rising costs may that happen here's a tax cut the wife
00:52:40.200goes thanks goodness i was just working a desk job anyway i wasn't really suited to it i wasn't
00:52:44.600making much money i didn't have a robust social life i'm happy to go home now we're able to afford
00:52:48.780it so every single country is going to have a different dynamic what are we exporting and what0.58
00:52:52.820type of jobs are women occupying instead of being home and having children real quick i got to point
00:52:57.080out somebody in the chat named adam which i appreciate you being here adam listening but i
00:53:01.040just i want to help you out a little bit um he said homes in los angeles are a million dollars
00:53:06.000unless it's a gang infested area and rents are four thousand dollars plus in addition medical
00:53:11.580insurances cost me wife and son twenty five hundred dollars a month add car payments insurance0.99
00:53:17.460life insurance food utilities good luck right good luck having a single income home where the wife is
00:53:24.480able to stay at home and raise the children so i wrote a little book it's called fight by flight
00:53:29.220and the solution to the problem is what the heck and and everything that is holy and good in the
00:53:35.380world why why are you in los angeles get out of there problem solved all right continue all right
00:53:42.720well we have um these are some of the i live in hell and it's not particularly family friendly
00:53:48.580what could the problem be like i i you know my my next door neighbor is lucifer and i you know
00:53:54.120we're trying to raise our kids to fear the lord and i you know hell just it's just not conducive
00:53:58.020to having a family life i don't know what the problem could be yep leave all right um all of
00:54:05.540these have some explanatory power and are are you know they i'm sure there's a degree of validity to
00:54:11.860all of these theories that we have just talked about but i think wes you mentioned it earlier
00:54:17.220really at the core of this is women have been sold a bill of goods and men have been sold a
00:54:22.680bill of goods too. And it's easier for the man if he doesn't have to apply himself and become
00:54:28.760excellent at his trade or his craft to support his family, to allow his woman to go out into0.97
00:54:34.460the workforce. I just, we've talked about feminism a lot and the link between feminism and a woman
00:54:41.620being in the workforce, not wanting as many kids, rejecting the mandate to be fruitful and multiply,
00:54:48.880it goes without saying almost. But these were two quotes that, as much as we've talked about it,
00:54:55.600they still managed to shock me. So I'm going to read two quotes, and these are from feminist
00:55:00.100perspectives on the global population, or at least the Western population decline.
00:55:06.180So here we go. This is the first one, and it says this. According to one perspective,
00:55:12.020women have greater autonomy and fertility decreases as more women engage in higher
00:55:18.340education and employment. Having access to better education means women have more control over their0.98
00:55:25.660relationships, increased knowledge of contraception, and more say in family planning. An increasing0.99
00:55:31.500number of women have chosen to postpone having children to continue their careers. Having children1.00
00:55:36.660also compromises the opportunity to earn more when women's incomes grow in comparison to those
00:55:43.420of their male spouses this was specifically talking about the drop in fertility even though
00:55:50.100africa is still above the the rate that they need to sustain themselves it's dropped it's dropped
00:55:58.740over the last you know a couple of decades and so this article was saying actually it's good that
00:56:03.220it's dropping there because what it proves is that the the um quest and the conquering of
00:56:10.140women's rights is marching on and marching on and even getting to africa where now women we're
00:56:17.160going to see lower population rates in africa because finally women boss babe uh feminism
00:56:23.540contraception has arrived even to the the you know it's almost like a missionary effort you0.98
00:56:29.600think even to the farthest parts of the globe, right? The gospel is going to go. No, no. Even
00:56:34.880to the farthest parts of the globe, the, the message of good news for women that they don't
00:56:39.460have to, you know, uh, be subject to their husbands, that they can work, that they can
00:56:43.280choose. They can have contraceptions and abortions. Yeah. And, um, so that, that was surprising that1.00
00:56:49.300they were happy that the fertility rate in Africa is dropping so quickly. Wow. Thanks. I hate it.
00:56:56.220Yeah. Quote number two. Quote number two. This is from an article called The Global Fertility Crisis is Worse Than You Think.
00:57:05.860And it's the quote is addressing some claims that The Spectator, which is a magazine or newspaper, was saying.0.56
00:57:14.280And this is the point of this article was to say this is one of the ones that claimed, yes, the population is decreasing and it's a good thing.
00:57:22.740So it's trying to debunk a bunch of the scare tactics, it calls them scare tactics, that
00:57:34.900The above claims in the spectator article don't just get the facts wrong on population,
00:57:40.140but they form part of a wave of pro-natalist articles falsely scaremongering that low birth
00:57:46.660rates are a cause for alarm when instead they should be celebrated.
00:57:50.900We should celebrate low birth rates as it means more enlightened, empowered women who have agency over their lives, women who are educated, employed, and have limited barriers to accessing modern contraception, and instead focus on how ending global population growth and reducing our overconsumption of resources are key to solving the environmental crises the world faces.0.83
00:58:16.140we pulled this graph up not even a week ago and it was a survey of women married unmarried kids
00:58:24.000no kids the most miserable women actually was unmarried with kids but married versus unmarried
00:58:31.360yep besides that unmarried women with no children yeah so they're saying this is good they're having0.99
00:58:36.060less and that's great they're happier right they're thriving oh they're freaking miserable0.99
00:58:42.260yeah yeah they hate women yeah oh yeah like what's going on here they hate women they hate the way0.96
00:58:49.120that god has structured not just structured society structured reality and they said we
00:58:54.520can undo it we'll beat nature uh spoiler alert they won't but that's psalm 2 right the uh the
00:59:00.780kings of the earth you know that they uh they try they seek to break the bonds um you know it's
00:59:06.800speaking of like god's uh it's speaking of god's sovereign power over all the earth but it's also
00:59:12.360speaking about you know you can read implicit implicitly in the text uh how you know the means
00:59:17.960by which god exercises his sovereign authority over the earth and one of those means of course
00:59:22.400is the church and through special revelation and the word of god word and sacrament but also through
00:59:27.000uh natural order through nature uh that's one of the ways that god sovereignly uh exercises his
00:59:33.060authority over the earth his providence by what he has made through nature itself and so the kings
00:59:38.540of the earth seeking you know together to um to stick it to uh the man in the sky stick it to god
00:59:45.080and uh and cast off his restraints break the bond psalm chapter 2 um is i think uh one great
00:59:52.320example of that is uh elites in any society that is trying to somehow uh fight against uh the
00:59:59.540natural order and feminism is a a stark example of that yep someone asked and it's a great reminder
01:00:06.540can you please remind everyone that all hormonal birth control pill and the copper iud are abortive
01:00:11.720fashion yes yes they're not just preventing pregnancy the way abstinence does but they
01:00:16.560would also if the sperm and the egg come together you'd have the fertilized egg which is life
01:00:21.200they also have a third mechanism in place that make sure of the uterine wall that that can't
01:00:26.280implant effectively killing it has no baby yeah you're you're creating an inhospitable environment
01:00:32.940the thinning of the uterine wall so that if uh an egg is fertilized and we believe that that is
01:00:38.420um conception that uh that it that it begins at fertilization not there's scans that actually
01:00:45.140show a flash of light when the sperm actually meets the egg it's really cool they've seen like
01:00:49.000a little electron flash yeah light maybe that's the soul maybe i don't know from the parents yeah
01:00:54.040from oh snap uh traditionism um so yeah so uh so that's when life begins and uh the the pill
01:01:02.440is um is actually making an inhospitable environment that's not the only mechanism
01:01:07.400there are two other mechanisms uh the cervical fluid uh thickening so the sperm doesn't reach
01:01:12.780the egg stopping the ovulation cycle so there's no egg being produced to be uh fertilized but
01:01:18.220that third mechanism thinning of the uterine wall um is is creating an inhospitable environment so
01:01:24.400that if the first two mechanisms fail to prevent uh fertilization and the third mechanism succeeds
01:01:31.300uh well now you've just killed one of your your children and you might say well i'm i'm not of
01:01:36.400the persuasion my conscience you know i just don't believe that uh that the first two would fail while
01:01:40.420the third mechanism remains intact well first you're playing russian roulette with life with
01:01:45.320the lives of your children. There's no serious studies that have been performed and they probably
01:01:50.400never will because there's no incentive to produce studies on something like this. So there's nothing
01:01:55.440that proves that scenario can't happen. But then secondly, what has been proven is that long after,
01:02:03.560not in every case, but in many, many cases, long after a woman is ready to start having children
01:02:09.920and she stops taking the pill, especially if she was on the pill for a long time, since her teenage
01:02:14.380years and through puberty you know or right at puberty and you know she's been on the pill for
01:02:18.94010 years for a decade and she stops and now her and her husband are trying and god bless uh that
01:02:24.200they're trying you know to be parents and and uh to have children um but that last mechanism the
01:02:29.480thinning of the uterine wall is usually one of the last things to be restored if it's able to
01:02:34.920be fully restored so all of a sudden again that you know the cervical fluid is now um is now you
01:02:40.660know thinning um and and not thicken slowing down the sperm you're now going back onto your
01:02:45.380ovulation cycle you're producing eggs but the uterine wall um could take in in some cases i've
01:02:51.700read uh you know where people say it you know it can take years um often six to eight months
01:02:57.100that's somewhat regular normative but in some cases years so you and your husband could be
01:03:02.640trying every single month during ovulation and for you know two years you could be uh you don't
01:03:09.840know because it would be a very early miscarriage that might just look like a little bit you know
01:03:15.240extra blood or may even look normal um with with your period but it's uh entirely plausible that
01:03:20.920you and your husband could have killed 24 children over the course of two years uh without even
01:03:26.260realizing it so you you really are playing with life and death we're not trying to um to unnecessarily
01:03:31.120guilt or shame people um but but what we are trying to do is um is to inform people um of the
01:03:38.080reality of what you're doing and i know plenty of couples including my wife and i um much to our
01:03:43.840shame uh but in the first uh i think it was a little less than a year first like six to nine
01:03:49.000months of our marriage uh that's you know we hadn't heard any teaching against it um and then
01:03:54.060we had to repent that's what christians do so we're not trying to to unnecessarily shame people
01:03:58.680but what i am trying to advocate for is that you would do the same thing that my wife and i had to
01:04:02.760do we had to repent and run to the foot of the cross ask the lord for forgiveness and and change
01:04:08.800our actions and uh and and we're so glad we did yeah it was the same with us we had um a doctor
01:04:14.680that we were seeing and he was on some sort of board pro-life state board he was a christian
01:04:22.800doctor and he said i guarantee you these things are not a board of patient right you know and he
01:04:28.180said i would not say that i'm on the board of this christian pro-life doctors organization blah blah
01:04:33.680blah and uh yes we well there were there were uh guys in in the medical industry uh doctors who
01:04:40.320were also lay elders at john macarthur's church who were making the same argument and saying no
01:04:45.140it's you know uh but the reason why you know so i had to look into all this because at the time
01:04:49.960there wasn't a whole lot of information on the subject this was almost 10 years ago and uh and
01:04:54.300so i was like well john macarthur's elders you know they're making arguments where it's okay
01:04:57.500you know and and they're you know this so-and-so he's an elder at his church and he's also a doctor
01:05:01.520uh but then come to find out if you do some of the reading uh the reason why these guys are saying
01:05:07.060you know they're looking in the eyes you know without flinching and they'll you know and they'll
01:05:10.800uh you know attempt to assure you that that it's um that it that there's no um a abortive you know
01:05:17.780function whatsoever is because they um the quiet part the fine print is that they change the
01:05:23.420definition of conception to implantation instead of fertilization so that's one of the reasons
01:05:30.460is um is that many many many doctors that is kind of like the medical consensus you think that was
01:05:35.940knowingly like was that changed in the literature and so a christian would read conception and
01:05:42.720you're asking a guy who who's a bit of a conspiracy uh theorist so i and you know if you're asking me
01:05:48.040i'm gonna say yeah i think it was intentional i think they knew exactly what they were doing
01:05:50.920but yeah the medical definition of conception when life begins uh historically for centuries
01:05:57.140has been fertilization for centuries before we ever had you know cat scans or you know or um
01:06:03.240sonograms or any of these before we even knew all the inner working dynamics you know medically and
01:06:09.020could articulate it uh there was still just this this you know consensus overwhelming uh universal
01:06:15.560consensus that conception began at the moment of fertilization and that is not just oh for 70 years
01:06:21.960we believe this no for centuries and centuries and centuries um arguably all the way back to
01:06:26.420some of the church fathers um and you can find it in uh some of the writings and so you're talking
01:06:30.760about 18 19 2 000 years uh 1800 1900 2000 years of believing that uh fertilization was conception
01:06:40.260and then really just in the last few decades a very novel um and recent um change in that position
01:06:46.800and a quiet change that wasn't communicated uh for most people so they would just say yeah like
01:06:51.980this does not um it inhibits conception it does not um risk aborting life after conception but
01:07:01.440then you look at the fine print they well they move the goalpost to where conception actually
01:07:05.820happens. No longer fertilization, but implantation. And that's how they were able to make the0.97
01:07:10.980argument. People will say, well, you know, Aquinas talked about a period of several days or weeks
01:07:16.640even. The point was, they didn't know how quickly fertilization happened. But their belief was,
01:07:24.020even Aquinas, as soon as the child has been formed, they didn't understand all the biology