The NXR Podcast - THE LIVESTREAM - Candace Owens Brings Receipts & Unanswered Questions About Charlie Kirk’s Death

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00:00:30.000 candace owens has brought receipts in regards to charlie kirk that's what we're going to be

00:00:38.820 addressing today but more than just that we're going to be addressing simply the narrative

00:00:42.920 surrounding charlie kirk his assassination who done it there are a ton of missing pieces

00:00:49.220 it's not just that a little bit of it seems fishy but pretty much all of it seems fishy now

00:00:54.260 as a disclaimer i will say this it does absolutely matter who actually pulled the trigger

00:00:58.960 It matters on multiple accounts. Number one, it matters in the sight of God. Number two,

00:01:03.680 it matters in the sense of doing our best here temporally on earth to model justice as God would

00:01:10.680 see fit, right? We don't want to condemn someone who's innocent, and we also don't want someone

00:01:15.420 who's guilty to get away. So it matters who killed Charlie Kirk. But there's a lot of other things

00:01:20.440 that matter too. If it doesn't end up being Tyler Robinson, who has yet, as of now, to actually

00:01:27.660 confess to the crime, if it doesn't end up being Tyler Robinson, who was a gay man who had a

00:01:32.800 boyfriend who was transitioning into a gay furry, guess what? You can still say transgenderism is

00:01:40.180 absolutely terrible, and we have enough school shootings in Christian and Catholic schools by

00:01:46.840 transgenders to label transgender ideology and Antifa and all the other far left-wing

00:01:54.960 organizations, associations as terrorist groups to kingdom come, and we can crack down on them,

00:02:01.660 right? So we're not going to try to get off the rails and say, hey, we've got the left against

00:02:06.780 the ropes, and then you guys, the autists, come in and start cooking and getting weird, and we

00:02:13.700 lose a macro moment to simply push back on the Democrats and the leftists, LMNOP, you know,

00:02:21.380 all that kind of stuff. We want to do that. But in God's providence, we have sufficient evidence,

00:02:28.600 we have more than sufficient evidence to condemn the left, to condemn Democrats, to condemn all

00:02:34.860 forms of sexual perversion till the end of time, whether Tyler Robinson was Charlie Kirk's killer

00:02:41.540 or not. On the flip side, we are not going, just again, another disclaimer, we are not going to

00:02:47.920 assert today that Bibi Netanyahu himself personally was 400 yards away on top of a tower and that he

00:02:54.580 pulled the trigger and killed Charlie Kirk, right? That is not our position. But it does matter who

00:03:00.180 literally pulled the trigger. But it matters in many ways more who is ultimately behind this

00:03:09.480 tragedy, who is pulling not the trigger, but the strings. It's important for us to realize that,

00:03:17.060 Yes, Israel is a problem in terms of geopolitics.

00:03:21.260 Our relationship with America, with Israel,

00:03:23.540 claiming that they're our greatest ally,

00:03:25.360 that's a problem.

00:03:26.320 But here's the reality.

00:03:27.320 If we cut Israel off tomorrow, right?

00:03:29.760 And it would still be far too late.

00:03:31.580 We should have done that yesterday.

00:03:33.080 If we, America, cut Israel off as a political ally tomorrow

00:03:37.280 and we stopped giving them a dime of our taxes

00:03:39.600 and all those kinds of things,

00:03:40.580 the way that that translates down to you and I

00:03:42.740 as individual citizens of the United States of America

00:03:45.600 is maybe we save 100 bucks annually in our personal taxes. It's not just the Israeli

00:03:53.060 government. It's not just Bibi Netanyahu. He has his own wars that he's fighting, right? I really

00:03:58.740 don't think that he was personally involved. He's right now, well, they're trying to try him for

00:04:04.200 war crimes in Gaza, which I think he's guilty. I think that he needs to be tried. He needs to be

00:04:10.200 unseated. His own people in Israel are protesting. There were 30,000 Israelis protesting against their

00:04:16.000 own prime minister. There's plenty of things going on in terms of Israel's leadership, Israel's

00:04:22.280 government, or even Israel as the nation state. But what you and I have to realize, and I'll say

00:04:28.000 it as carefully as possible, I'm not trying to be hyperbolic. I'm not trying to merely be an

00:04:32.180 edgelord. It is important, imperative that we understand this concept. What we are struggling

00:04:38.520 with right now, what we're undergoing, is a civilizational war. It is a spiritual, cultural,

00:04:44.440 and political war, a battle for civilization. And that war is religious. It is Christ versus

00:04:51.460 everything else, Judaism, Islam, atheism, all these other things. It's a war for Christ,

00:04:59.940 a religious war, and there is also a racial component. I'm not trying to make it that.

00:05:06.220 it is that it's inescapable and what i mean by that is you can't just say oh you know i've seen

00:05:13.060 some of the memes where they say oh i've figured it out it's the globalist right oh no no no i'm

00:05:18.000 more enlightened it's the marxists no i'm even more enlightened it's the bolsheviks oh no it's um

00:05:22.880 it's israeli government no it's uh the nation state of israel and then the highest tier at a

00:05:29.460 certain point you have to just sit there and say no it's it's kind of jews uh sam altman

00:05:37.480 that's not israel it's a jewish billionaire in america who is actively right that guy's not just

00:05:45.660 costing you a hundred dollars annually in your taxes as an american citizen that guy is actively

00:05:50.460 making decisions that are corrupting your way of life and seeking to devour your children right

00:05:57.340 Right. It's it's what's what's his name with Oracle? Larry Ellison. Larry Ellison. Right. It's it's the it's Mark Zuckerberg. It's these kinds of individuals who are not actually Israel's government. They might have some kind of deal under the table. Who knows? I'm not going to speculate in that regard. But but the problem is it's not just Bibi Netanyahu. It's not just the Israeli government or Israeli intelligence or the nation state of Israel.

00:06:25.580 there are jews here in america who are powerful who are billionaires they were putting pressure

00:06:33.780 on charlie kirk this is undebatable at this point candace owens has now dropped the receipts and to

00:06:39.940 think that this has nothing to do with charlie's killing i think is naive i think it's naive that's

00:06:48.780 what we're going to flesh out in our episode today zeb is joining us as a special guest he's been

00:06:53.780 doing a lot of work and ballistics and all these different things on this topic of Charlie Kirk's

00:06:58.820 assassination. That's the show for today. Tune in now. All right, here we are. I want to go ahead

00:07:13.060 and just dive right in. Let's go ahead and show the screenshot. Let's start with that. Here's a

00:07:18.460 screenshot. This is from Candace Owens. Charlie Kirk is on here. I guess it looks like a signal

00:07:23.320 thread or something like that. Charlie Kirk says, just lost another huge Jewish donor,

00:07:28.540 2 million a year because we won't cancel Tucker, Tucker Carlson, speaking at one of their TPUSA

00:07:35.300 events. I'm thinking of inviting Candace just to tick them off. And then Charlie Kirk said,

00:07:42.240 Jewish donors play into all the stereotypes. I cannot and will not be bullied like this.

00:07:48.200 and then he says it's leaving me no choice but to leave the pro-israel cause i want to get zeb

00:07:56.080 thoughts but you guys have to remember among younger individuals uh there are a lot of people

00:08:00.980 they're not big fans of israel not pro-israel cause the single biggest name again among younger

00:08:06.020 people they're reaching a younger demographic the single biggest name prior to his death

00:08:11.240 was charlie kirk that's right and here's him saying and he was one of the only young guys

00:08:16.360 reaching a younger audience biggest and potentially only pro-israel yep pretty much everybody else

00:08:21.960 who has an audience of under 45 is very much whether they're left or right is anti-israel

00:08:27.900 so charlie was like one of the last influencers major influences with young people that was pro

00:08:33.000 israel and real quick i want to let you talk but i definitely want to invite uh zeb but real quick

00:08:37.820 just to collaborate this just to get it out right here in the open um from the beginning of the

00:08:41.660 episode and then we can break it down let's just collaborate this because candace dropped this

00:08:45.780 piece people were saying ah it's fate it's you know it's photoshopped whatever this isn't real

00:08:50.620 but then tp usa themselves they came out and validated can we play the quick clip

00:08:56.500 but i want to take the start of this show to address some of the things that have been going

00:09:02.640 around on public namely about a text a group text chain that has been made known uh and released

00:09:09.540 by Candace Owens. And I just want to address it head on because that was a text grab, a screen

00:09:17.220 grab that I had shared with people. So it is authentic. And I want to go into it because I

00:09:22.840 actually am really excited that the truth is out there. I first want to say the reason I didn't

00:09:27.700 share that screen grab publicly is because it was a private exchange. And I felt like it didn't

00:09:36.360 necessarily comport with things that were already public. I wanted to not betray my friend's trust

00:09:41.220 in that way. But I did share it with some people in government because it happened really quick.

00:09:46.940 It was, you know, it took 33 hours for authorities to get their suspect. And in that first, in those

00:09:53.460 first moments, we wanted no stone unturned. We wanted to leave nothing unturned. So I shared it

00:09:59.160 with a few people. Don't know where it went from there, apparently. But here we are. So

00:10:04.840 one of the reasons, Blake, that I'm glad to have this now public, it was not mine to share

00:10:11.500 publicly. But, you know, one of the criticisms we've been we've received is that we don't care.

00:10:17.020 We're not investigating every lead. We're not looking under every stone. And that somehow

00:10:21.580 we're just like, you know, sweeping things under the rug. And when I say that we want justice for

00:10:27.160 charlie more than anybody else i really mean it and no stone unturned i mean i don't know if you

00:10:32.720 want to chime in on that part alone but i have more to say yeah i so it's it has been so frustrating

00:10:38.460 to have people blow up about this and you know we've stated i've certainly stated publicly the

00:10:42.840 reason i haven't weighed in on things is i am an eyewitness to events and they've said don't

00:10:47.340 comment on things because anything you say can mess that up i don't want to mess up any trial

00:10:52.760 for the person who did this it's a thousand there you go all right we've got a special guest let's

00:10:59.120 bring him on zeb what do you think well thank you for having me first of all uh what do i think i

00:11:05.620 think i don't know what to think really i know that we've been lied to and that's kind of how

00:11:10.120 i've started all of this off with is uh the government is definitely lying to us on some

00:11:13.960 extent and most likely tpusa is too at this point and so uh i just want to reiterate the point that

00:11:19.960 you made really early on is that it doesn't matter who actually pulled the trigger in the in the big

00:11:24.640 scheme right uh in the in the smaller scheme of uh charlie kirk it definitely does and who was

00:11:29.120 behind it does matter but uh in this in this aspect of winning it definitely matter doesn't

00:11:33.940 matter who pulled the uh the trigger because at the end of the day um transgenderism that that

00:11:39.780 entire movement the entire lgbtq what movement is um is un-american i mean i would like to go

00:11:46.440 back to the Cold War and the Red Scare, second Red Scare with McCarthy and bring about a House

00:11:50.900 Un-American committee, right? We need to start labeling people un-American as terrorists, as

00:11:56.940 what they are, enemies of America. And so I'll follow them under that. But yeah, what do I think?

00:12:03.500 We're trying to work it out. We're trying to work with what little evidence that we've been given

00:12:07.280 from TPSA, from the federal government, from everyone. And they've already staked their

00:12:11.860 position which is which i think was a major issue when they were claiming that uh 30 alt 6 went

00:12:16.920 through charlie kirk's neck i mean that who believes that really well it did not go through

00:12:22.220 it got stuck in his neck and that's what's been so difficult about this whole um thing because

00:12:27.160 even i remember when that piece was was dropped on x uh and the way that the guy dropped he was

00:12:32.440 like i talked to the coroner you know or whatever and um and he said that uh that it's it's a

00:12:37.920 miracle that the muscles in Charlie Kirk's neck were so thick and so strong that this, you know,

00:12:45.840 36 bullet stopped midway in his neck. And so even the last moment of Charlie's life,

00:12:53.340 he was saving other people because that bullet would have gone through him and there was a host

00:12:57.980 of people behind him. And so how, I mean, honestly, like, how do you, how do you, when a guy's body,

00:13:03.380 because this was early on when a guy's body is still warm and his wife is on national television

00:13:08.660 in tears, right? Forgiving the killer. How do you come out and, and politely say, uh, bull crap?

00:13:17.440 Nope. Uh, nope. So, so none of us want to be disrespectful to Charlie. We all appreciate

00:13:22.400 Charlie. I want to say that from the outset. We all like, I'll, you know, I, I, I would be to

00:13:26.420 Charlie's right. Um, and so I would disagree with him on, on a few things, but I saw his trajectory.

00:13:31.540 I saw his effectiveness. That was the biggest thing. He was effective. There's plenty of guys

00:13:36.000 to his right, but sometimes guys who are further to the right, all they do is convince people to

00:13:42.380 be on the left by scaring them away. Charlie was effective. He was changing hearts, changing minds,

00:13:47.640 and he wasn't just a conservative political commentator. He was a Christian, and he preached

00:13:52.860 Christ, and he preached the gospel, and so none of us want to come out and disparage him,

00:13:59.480 especially right away all we really said about it was Charlie has an incredible legacy he was a

00:14:06.020 Christian martyr and I think those are the right things to say at the time but now it's been a

00:14:10.760 little bit I know it's still fresh I know it's still recent but it's it's been long enough at

00:14:15.020 least the man has been buried his you know they've been able to honor him with a memorial and all

00:14:19.600 these kinds of things and and you don't want to give too much time because you can give too much

00:14:23.700 time in the vein of respect, but then you lose the edge of interest. And then whoever actually

00:14:32.520 committed this atrocity gets away because the public loses interest. And so I look at that

00:14:38.820 and not trying to disparage Charlie at all, but I think I can say Charlie was a mountain of a man

00:14:43.440 and did incredible things for Jesus Christ. And I also don't think that he was Superman,

00:14:49.780 literally superman and that his his neck was saving lives behind him by stopping i would love

00:14:55.860 to have zeb expand on this because if they're lying here if it's kind of one of those things

00:14:59.400 like you catch someone dead to right in a lie everything else comes into question that's right

00:15:03.340 does that break it down like uh like the listener like you're a housewife you know you don't know

00:15:07.040 the first thing you know guns that there's numbers that come with it when you say hey uh his neck

00:15:12.500 stopped a 30-06 bullet how kind of extreme is that claim i mean i just go straight to thinking

00:15:19.060 he's wolverine right i mean we got we got metal adamantium bones over here um it's just not going

00:15:24.180 to happen right it'll go clean through a deer which is about a foot foot and a half of flesh

00:15:28.500 and the neck is a soft tissue and even if you want to call it the vertebrae stopped it you're

00:15:33.220 looking at i mean that's that's soft brittle bone by itself um and and then even even then if you

00:15:39.060 want to say that it turned inside of him i mean the 30-06 round moving it i don't know probably

00:15:43.940 2,500 feet per second, which is extremely fast, isn't just going to decide to take a 90 degree

00:15:49.820 turn downward. It just doesn't happen. The blowout would be catastrophic. All that energy

00:15:55.800 has to go somewhere, is the idea. Even if that did happen, unfortunately, I don't want to be

00:16:01.640 graphic, but this scene would look a lot different. If there was that much energy in that projectile

00:16:06.060 from a Mauser 30-06, that energy would have, just the assassination would not have looked

00:16:11.780 the same just for my credentials like i was in the military shot a number of these guns

00:16:15.420 i remember being on the range actually my uncle was shooting a 30-06 we all had our handguns and

00:16:20.640 he shot it without telling people to put on their headphones i remember uh it was my cousin's

00:16:24.800 grandfather was like whoa whoa whoa whoa you got to let people know before you shoot that thing

00:16:29.160 that thing is a cannon so to your point that energy is going somewhere you're telling us

00:16:35.060 that just went in and and said all right that's all folks that's it for the evening uh no that's

00:16:40.860 just that's not how this works yeah it's it's just it's laughable that's exactly what it is

00:16:45.700 and that's all ballistics is is is trying to uh make sense of energy transfer energy displacement

00:16:51.500 and so that's that's what i've been trying to do i don't i don't know how much further we can get

00:16:55.020 without additional footage um obviously tps usa has footage uvu has footage um the fbi is sitting

00:17:00.600 on all of that uh we're not going to get any of it until trial will we get a trial who knows

00:17:05.400 uh probably not um there's going to be another jfk we'll be sitting on it for 60 years uh maybe

00:17:10.340 maybe my grandkids might get some answers, but to that point, uh, that, that I don't think we're

00:17:15.660 going to get much more ballistics or, or video evidence of what actually happened there. I think,

00:17:19.880 I think the attention should turn to, to Joel's point is that, um, maybe we should look at a

00:17:25.000 little bit more of who is actually behind it. And that's, that's kind of where I want to transition

00:17:30.000 to. I think that enough time has passed. I mean, we're coming up on a month and two days. And so

00:17:34.120 I think enough time has passed that, that that respect has kind of, uh, played itself out the,

00:17:38.960 the uh well the morning for some of us has uh has played itself out you know we're looking at seven

00:17:44.560 days i i would uh for that aspect but but the uh respect has kind of played itself out so now i

00:17:49.260 think the uh the flashlight should be turned on um not just the ballistics not just the fbi coming

00:17:53.900 out and saying whatever they feel like saying obviously uh cash patel pam bondy across the

00:17:59.020 board but between all of the epstein files are on my desk 9-11 files mlk jfk files and now charlie

00:18:05.580 kirk it's like the incompetence at the top is is astounding i remember him telling uh sean ryan

00:18:12.340 he's like day one fbi we're turning the j edgar hoover building into a museum for the deep state

00:18:17.200 it's like it's just it's kind of laughable like do you understand what goes into this job

00:18:22.800 it literally seems like cash patel and pam bondy to a degree they don't he's getting dinner he

00:18:27.840 hears they capture someone oh we got him he tweets out oh we don't actually it's a it's a

00:18:32.600 podcaster-occupied government. And I say this all the time in that, you know, if we want to

00:18:36.760 podcaster-occupied government, I mean, give me a job, man. We can actually get something done.

00:18:41.740 But because, I mean, I think these people were scared of the deep state, obviously, to some

00:18:45.360 extent. Now, to what extent? Maybe there's a question there. I can't imagine that it's just

00:18:51.760 pure incompetence. You can't be that incompetent. But kind of to that point is that, you know,

00:18:58.800 We go from the photo shoot to phase one, or they're on my desk, to the photo shoot,

00:19:05.020 and there's nothing in the actual binders that are pushed out.

00:19:07.940 I mean, this is exactly what you're seeing with Charlie Kirk.

00:19:10.200 They're coming out and saying Tyler Robinson shot from the roof.

00:19:14.160 I don't think Tyler Robinson – there's no evidence of Tyler Robinson even being on campus.

00:19:17.820 The runner is way too fast to be where he is if he actually shot that round from that video on the roof.

00:19:27.600 Just inconsistencies like that that we're not going to get answers

00:19:30.660 until we get the CCTV footage.

00:19:31.960 Didn't they claim he broke down the rifle as well?

00:19:33.480 And this is an old rifle that is not just press a pin like an AR-15

00:19:36.700 and you can disassemble the thing in 15 seconds.

00:19:39.100 They're like, he disassembled the rifle, he made it all across this way,

00:19:42.520 and none of those pieces seem to fit?

00:19:45.720 Yeah, I mean, the timeline is absolutely insane.

00:19:49.000 Not only do we have Wolverine on the scene, we have Flash too.

00:19:52.240 So, I mean, we're building a full-fledged superhero Marvel movie or whatever, and it's insane.

00:20:00.980 But I don't know.

00:20:02.840 I don't know what to do with it without getting additional evidence.

00:20:06.060 And like you said, like the guy on the Charlie Kirk show, I can't remember his name, the bald one, he said he's a witness, and he was told by the FBI that he can't push anything.

00:20:16.620 So now you have witnesses that can't say anything on top of we're not getting additional footage.

00:20:20.460 on top of everything's just shut down across the board and nobody trusts the federal government

00:20:25.120 nobody trusts the fbi and and they want to claim transparency transparency i understand that we

00:20:29.680 have to get to trial i understand that uh or do we and but but at some point you have to kind of

00:20:36.640 restore something something at the federal government unless unless the goal itself is to

00:20:41.620 destroy it yeah this seems like one of the consequences you mentioned podcaster occupied

00:20:47.840 government. When information is decentralized, for better or for worse, Candace Owens has a

00:20:52.780 platform and she's able to bring information that people send to her. Obviously, she's someone that

00:20:56.900 if someone had information or something pertinent or something they could leak, they would send it

00:21:01.060 to her. But in a time like ours where everyone has a platform, everyone has a podcast, it's very

00:21:06.280 hard to maintain trust when you're not being transparent because a number of different

00:21:10.380 narratives can circle around. There's an old saying, the lie gets halfway across the world

00:21:15.140 before the truth even gets its boots on.

00:21:17.260 And so I'm not saying Candace Owens is lying.

00:21:19.460 She's said a number of different things.

00:21:21.300 But the point is, without the transparency

00:21:23.000 from the people that are literally charged with this,

00:21:25.700 that should have all the information,

00:21:27.000 that should have the evidence,

00:21:28.380 this is what's going to happen.

00:21:29.740 Well, I think it was so-and-so.

00:21:30.940 I think it was this.

00:21:31.840 And I think maybe it was the microphone on his lapel.

00:21:35.400 And it disintegrates trust across the board.

00:21:37.740 Because then you say, I can't trust this organization.

00:21:40.420 I can't trust my government.

00:21:41.780 There's been some disappointments there

00:21:43.500 in the last nine months.

00:21:44.340 I can't trust the FBI. I could maybe trust her. I could trust him. It's a mess. And then you have

00:21:51.620 a bunch of people, and they're lost. I don't know who to believe. I have this guy who I loved. I

00:21:57.200 have this guy who helped my parents turn conservative. I have this guy who's fighting

00:22:00.260 for Jesus. And I literally, I have no idea what's happening. And I can imagine something happens to

00:22:06.560 me. And would my death, or if someone attacked me, or something happened to me, would it be

00:22:11.220 handle with this same level of professionalism because that doesn't give me a lot of confidence

00:22:14.940 and then you basically have anarchy everyone's doing as they please because there's no real

00:22:20.440 accountability yep uh zeb i've got somebody in the chat that said uh zeb go into your um

00:22:26.860 go into the theory of uh hollywood squib can you explain that i'm just fascinated i have no idea

00:22:33.620 what that is but yeah so uh the squib theory i i think i don't think it can be fake uh we see we

00:22:40.340 see immediate reaction, not a typical reaction time. We have a lot of anomalies that if you were

00:22:48.100 trying to go squib theory, you wouldn't be able to feel. Squib theory basically means that they

00:22:53.280 have a blood packet in some form, maybe it's through a tube, maybe it's the packet itself,

00:22:57.840 and then it essentially explodes or squirts out, typically hidden beneath a shirt. Sometimes they

00:23:02.900 can hide it under the skin. They can put it on their skin and maybe put makeup on it, a little

00:23:07.260 bit of um a special effect not special effects but uh practical effects on top of it and try to

00:23:12.460 blend it in i don't the squib theory doesn't hold up especially given the footage from the side

00:23:17.440 where we can see actual movement in the rear uh in the rear of the occipital bone on the back of

00:23:22.420 the head which i claim is entry um and then and then exit out of the neck i just don't think

00:23:28.420 squib theory holds up right so when we're going through this we're trying to explain all of the

00:23:32.780 anomalies or everything that we see and whatever does that the best you trying to make sense of

00:23:38.500 this whatever does that the best is typically what we're going to run with and so that's what

00:23:42.020 I've been trying to do from the from the very beginning um kind of updating my position a

00:23:46.560 little bit is is that I think there are two shots I think there might be a little bit of something to

00:23:51.180 Jason with crowdsources theory um I need to flush that out a little bit more before I push it but

00:23:55.760 essentially uh I think my shot had to go through the tent right you can see tent pieces on some of

00:24:00.680 the uh fly up right after the shot right after their passes um you can see a little black thing

00:24:05.440 fall down from the top of the tent where it probably hit um and uh and i just don't think

00:24:11.440 you can make sense of it with a single round and so from there we have to say okay maybe

00:24:17.160 there was another shooter maybe if we're running some type of higher end hit situation then we

00:24:22.700 have two shooters which would be like a a triangulation um which is which is a tactic

00:24:27.660 that is used for sniping or really assassinations in general where you have multiple shooters at

00:24:33.620 different angles for our listener uh there was a couple this was probably about a week week and a

00:24:37.660 half ago there was some thought around the microphone that was actually on his lapel and

00:24:42.600 so the possibility i i think of israel and i think of massad uh with pagers how they actually put

00:24:47.740 explosives into pagers and carried out really we just got to be honest a pretty incredible

00:24:52.780 operation, I believe it was in Lebanon, killed dozens, crippled more than a couple hundred

00:24:58.220 individuals, again, by infiltrating the supply chain, getting in there, placing explosives in

00:25:02.200 the pagers, all one moment there ago. So I've seen circulated, and you probably have the info

00:25:06.680 to debunk. What about the idea that the actual lapel on his neck, that it discharged, it shot

00:25:13.840 up into the neck, that was what actually carried it out. The gunshot was kind of cover for what

00:25:17.560 really occurred there. What do you think of that theory? Yeah, I think the footage that they're

00:25:22.540 using for that i think there's one frame in there that has been manipulated we don't have original

00:25:26.580 we don't even have a full video without uh without it being heavily edited and so i think there's a

00:25:32.520 frame in there that is manipulated that video came out two weeks after um any any uh there was there

00:25:39.860 was no evidence of that video i guess it was but it was blurred and what we see is an unblurred

00:25:45.300 version and i think they manipulated a single frame in there even beyond that in the video

00:25:49.360 that they claim uh that the mic blew up you can see the mic go the direction of supposed explosion

00:25:55.720 and so when we say the ballistics uh we're looking at energy dispersion or transfer uh if if the shot

00:26:01.440 is going one way you would expect a recoil from the other direction and so that's just not what

00:26:05.700 you see uh with that happening you see the actual the movement of the mic towards his neck where in

00:26:11.320 it should go away from and then shoot whatever is moving um they claim the magnet is what pierced

00:26:16.440 him uh one it would have to go to the other side of the neck like it would have to go across the

00:26:20.660 neck um on top of the magnet is still there in the same in in the same video it's still attached

00:26:28.140 the mic is still attached to his shirt uh after the fact so i mean any kind of explosion would

00:26:32.940 definitely separate that i i think mike theory is probably probably the least like i mean i i mean

00:26:39.360 squib theory is pretty bad too but i think mike theory is pretty bad but um yeah it just doesn't

00:26:44.260 make sense of anything and that adds more inconsistencies uh but but to the point i mean

00:26:48.660 obviously i'm not saying it's not possible i'm just saying it doesn't make sense and that's

00:26:53.420 everything that we're trying to do here so no one is here we're saying so and so for sure did it it

00:26:57.540 was for sure the second shooter shooter you know the most seb and what you're doing and you're

00:27:01.120 being careful of saying hey what what uh what story what what series of events makes the most

00:27:08.620 sense out of all of these different factors make sense of the man that's running on the roof make

00:27:12.240 sense of the weapon makes sense of the projectile and the energy and all of that that's what we're

00:27:17.100 trying to do here the jewish boomer who the moment he saw someone on the right was assassinated

00:27:23.360 he instinctively right and people like oh he was in on it i don't think he was i think literally

00:27:29.080 i don't think he needed to sit in the back room i don't think he needed a meeting i don't think

00:27:32.200 he needed you know action steps or a plan or anything like that i think literally just as a

00:27:36.760 jewish boomer he sees someone on the right who's a christ worshiper get shot dead in front of his

00:27:43.440 wife and children and he instinctively thinks i should give the remaining years of my life

00:27:48.900 with child porn on my phone in my pocket i should sacrifice the rest of my life to make sure that

00:27:55.360 whoever killed charlie kirk has a chance at getting away that i mean like even that is just

00:28:01.220 you're literally not exaggerating no he called out it was me on the shooter me distracting

00:28:05.880 instinctively police a jewish elderly man they then found his phone in his pocket he's like oh

00:28:13.340 snap i forgot that i have child pornography you know on my phone and then gets charges for that

00:28:19.240 uh that i mean sometimes you just can't it's kind of like the kyle rittenhouse thing it's like

00:28:23.820 uh he shot three democrats oh and they're all child predators yeah what you know what are the

00:28:29.220 odds? Well, apparently 100%. 100%. If you fire into a crowd of liberals, you've got about 100%

00:28:36.660 chance of hitting exclusively child predators, right? If you've got a random Jewish man trying

00:28:43.300 to make a distraction for an assassin for someone on the right, a Christian, to get away,

00:28:53.080 what are the chances that he's got child porn on his phone? Well, apparently 100%.

00:28:57.400 you can't even write this stuff it's like it's like sometimes it's like you know like even if

00:29:02.880 you were i'm not but even if i was trying to be anti-semitic like all i'd have to do is just read

00:29:07.940 the news you'd be trying to write it and you'd be writing you'd be like i i can't put this in there

00:29:13.840 this is too on the nose uh this is just no one would believe it nobody would believe it this is

00:29:18.720 dime store you almost like yeah you would have to take the reality and soften it a little bit

00:29:23.740 to even make it believable all right let's go to our first commercial break we'll come back we'll

00:29:27.860 talk a little bit more theories um and we'll also let's let's now you know so we've talked about the

00:29:32.120 shooter we'll try to transition a little bit and talk about some of the ramifications and why it

00:29:36.460 really does matter um to get to the bottom of this and you know charlie kirk and some of the

00:29:42.120 ways that he was pivoting uh in regards to israel at least in regards to uh netanyahu and the war

00:29:48.940 with Israel and Iran. There definitely was, I think, a provable shift in his rhetoric on that.

00:29:57.760 And him, again, like we said earlier, in many ways being almost the exclusive, like last man

00:30:03.520 standing in terms of right-wing influencers reaching young people under the age of 40

00:30:11.360 in a pro-Israel way.

00:30:15.700 Charlie Kirk was, in many ways, he was a dying breed.

00:30:19.380 He's a 31-year-old man, and yet already, in a sense, a dinosaur.

00:30:24.400 He really was.

00:30:25.600 He was holding on to love for Israel, for dear life,

00:30:29.540 and as much as he loved Israel, and Charlie loved him some Israel,

00:30:32.820 as much as he loved Israel, even Charlie was, it seems,

00:30:37.200 finding it difficult there towards the end,

00:30:39.640 and it seems like a lot of people don't want that to be talked about they don't want that

00:30:43.780 to come out and i understand that some of the things that candace has said it's like oh

00:30:48.440 you know like i don't know about that um but i actually think in the promise of god that it's

00:30:54.720 it's quite helpful i think it's it's helpful for her to expose as much as she's has uh personally

00:31:02.680 i wish she wasn't waiting i wish she would just drop it i mean i think that's the biggest question

00:31:07.700 at this point, you know, earlier, you know, if you'd asked everybody 48 hours ago, they would

00:31:11.460 have said, I don't believe Candace, she's full of it. Now people are like, oh, well, she kind of

00:31:15.580 nailed it. But then the pushback now is kind of like, well, why'd she wait? And honestly, we could

00:31:20.300 talk about that a little bit because there are some legitimate reasons for why she would wait,

00:31:24.480 even, you know, legality and things like that, or just honoring other people and having their

00:31:28.400 permission. So we could talk a little bit about that. But my point in bringing up Candace is to

00:31:33.500 say, I hope, whether you love her, like her, hate her, I do hope that she reveals more receipts,

00:31:42.240 because I do think that it's important that it becomes so proven that it would be inescapable

00:31:49.700 for everyone, regardless where they land on the issue of Israel, for them to see, okay,

00:31:55.940 at least in some measure, Charlie really was changing. And does that have anything to do?

00:32:02.680 does that have anything to do with his assassination what does that look like who would stand to gain

00:32:09.520 for this um those are some of the questions i think we need to delve into in our next segment

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00:35:35.560 well I want to do my best to represent Charlie in his words I think that's fair if heaven forbid

00:35:43.540 I was to pass away I would hope people would say what did he say and what was he trying to

00:35:47.340 communicate and so there's a famous letter and as best we can tell it's authentic it may possibly

00:35:52.120 not be but as far as we know it's authentic and it kind of shows his trajectory so we have the

00:35:57.380 text from Charlie that we showed those were recent it appeared recently he was continuing to sour

00:36:02.480 But during the summer, it appears that he wrote a letter to the Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu.

00:36:08.160 And the letter itself is decently long.

00:36:09.540 I don't have time to read the whole thing here on air.

00:36:11.740 He had a number of recommendations.

00:36:13.360 And he just came out and he said, as we've said of him, and it's true,

00:36:16.280 he said, hey, I'm very pro-Israel.

00:36:17.780 I go to all these college campuses.

00:36:19.680 But he was frustrated that he said, as I'm on campus,

00:36:21.720 as I'm defending Israel for this and this and that and the other,

00:36:25.580 fielding a lot of questions on it,

00:36:27.260 I'm struggling because Israel is losing the narrative battle.

00:36:30.680 We talked a little bit about this.

00:36:31.980 last week with Israel buying TikTok. Israel recognizes, hey, there's a narrative battle

00:36:36.880 that we're losing as far as young people, as far as where they're getting information.

00:36:40.500 They're just getting them from a lot of anti-Israeli sources. And I have here a quote

00:36:44.660 from Charlie to Netanyahu, and you can see some of the frustration that's coming out. So he's

00:36:51.300 traveling across the U.S. I mean, the man's away from his family 200 days a year, however much it

00:36:55.600 is. He's traveling across the U.S. He's speaking every campus tour. He's literally having to debate

00:37:01.800 people again and again. Well, what about Israel this? What about Judaism this? And he says,

00:37:06.980 listen here, he says, I strongly suggest, again, this is from Charlie Kirk in a letter to Benjamin

00:37:11.340 Netanyahu, I strongly suggest Israel not always depend on subcontracting their information war

00:37:17.160 efforts to surrogates in America. Mr. Prime Minister, I urge you to revamp your information

00:37:23.440 warfare strategy from top to bottom. Sometimes the impression is given that Israel thinks everyone

00:37:28.620 hates them, so I care about winning over hearts and minds. If there's any truth to this impression,

00:37:32.900 I urge you to consider that social media and podcasts is where you

00:37:36.700 fight for the hearts and minds of the younger generation. Obviously, all this

00:37:40.080 negative Israel propaganda on social media easily translates into

00:37:44.320 pro-Hamas, free Palestine sentiment on many college campuses. And so you can see

00:37:48.780 some of the trajectory that Charlie was undergoing. Again, in the text, he's saying,

00:37:52.640 listen, I lost a $2 million donor, so someone who's giving

00:37:56.720 it seems like annually two million dollars a year to turning point usa because he had on one of the

00:38:01.600 most popular podcasters in the united states tucker carlson to speak at his event he'd become

00:38:07.760 frustrated and fed up with it and so when people continue to go a step farther and say okay so he

00:38:13.220 was sowing on him and then would that potentially give motive again we're not insinuating it we're

00:38:18.180 not staking our flag in the ground that's our claim but you can see no that actually makes

00:38:23.240 sense. And again, this is the guy that is theoretically probably the only under 40 defender

00:38:29.260 of Israel that really was out there kind of doing that activist work. Zeb, thoughts on this letter,

00:38:34.820 additional context that I might be missing? Yeah, I mean, at the core, I think the letter

00:38:39.540 is basically asking someone to change their nature. And it's going to take a generation or

00:38:45.580 four or five to do that, at least for a people. But even beyond that, I mean, if we're looking

00:38:51.480 that timeline of Charlie Kirk's transition into questioning Israel, I did a video even prior to

00:38:58.200 the ballistics that I thought was actually better than the ballistics, and I gave a timeline, and I

00:39:02.080 can run through that timeline real quick and add a little bit to that since we've thought about

00:39:05.660 this. Now, right in 2019, we had the Groyper Wars, the original Groyper Wars, and there was a major

00:39:11.380 push during Charlie Kirk's Cultural Wars tour, which would be, he was running the roads with

00:39:19.060 somebody so with the people like uh rob smith right so they asked the question of what does

00:39:23.740 gay sex have to do with winning the culture war um but even along that they were kind of asking

00:39:28.500 questions on israel israel jews and things like this and um why are we why are they great our

00:39:33.180 greatest ally i think that let me if i'll continue here in a second i there's a there's a point to

00:39:38.800 this but um i think that kind of hardened charlie kurt's heart because he kept getting inundated

00:39:43.640 with these questions of of israel israel israel and so he wanted to defend his position as

00:39:48.500 most people do in a debate and so let's fast forward a few years uh you know like four or

00:39:55.020 five uh and then we have a showing on patrick davis podcast of october 12th of 2023 uh like

00:40:00.980 five days after october 7th and and charlie kirk's talking about israel issued a standout order on

00:40:05.300 october 7th and so i think this was a turning point for turning point for charlie kirk is where

00:40:10.980 he started okay maybe there is something to this i'm saying that the growth war is hard in his heart

00:40:15.960 but at least opened him up to what is happening.

00:40:18.580 So when it did happen, when this questioning did start happening,

00:40:21.300 it was a very, very quick snowball effect into this.

00:40:24.800 And so in November, right after that, he retweeted it, Elon,

00:40:29.260 when Elon said, you're speaking the actual truth.

00:40:31.620 I think people maybe remember that tweet talking about the nature of Jews.

00:40:37.320 And then if we fast forward 2025, you have Megyn Kelly at a Tupi USA event was kind of going on.

00:40:43.580 And I think this was more so in the realm of the Epstein files and the Israel and Jewish involvement with that, because Charlie Kirk had a very hard stance on pushing the release of the actual Epstein files.

00:40:55.880 And then I would say the Turning Point USA focus group there that's on YouTube that they did.

00:41:01.160 They pushed that out with the chapter heads across across the states and colleges.

00:41:05.800 Some of the chapters that they had, they brought some of the chapter heads in, had that discussion.

00:41:08.940 And it was very much Israel oriented and their thought process going into Israel.

00:41:14.920 And that was very eye opening for the younger generations for Charlie Kirk and how much involvement he had or how much control he had with the guiding discussion of that.

00:41:24.160 And then he went on with the Megyn Kelly show in August.

00:41:28.320 And they both of them were kind of going pretty hard against Israel and Netanyahu and some of the Epstein stuff that was going on.

00:41:36.500 And then you had Harrison Smith, which was pushing out the tweet that basically said Charlie Kirk is fearing for his life.

00:41:44.300 And then we have, you know, the follow on from there to what we saw on September.

00:41:48.980 Real quick with that Harrison Smith tweet, just for context, that was about a month before his assassination.

00:41:53.760 He was reporting what someone else had told him.

00:41:55.880 So you're talking secondhand information.

00:41:57.500 August 13th.

00:41:58.200 But he said August 13th.

00:42:00.260 So just exactly a month prior.

00:42:02.260 Hey, I heard from someone.

00:42:03.460 So this is not him hearing directly from Charlie.

00:42:05.740 It was Charlie fears that if he leaves the pro-Israel cause, that something will happen to him.

00:42:10.380 Am I remembering that correctly?

00:42:13.100 Yeah, so he was secondhand basically saying that somebody told me that Charlie Kirk was in fear for his life if he turned on Israel or started to question things.

00:42:22.620 And it seems like that's exactly what was happening.

00:42:25.760 And so beyond that, I mean, the day before you have the showing with Charlie Kirk and Ben Shapiro on his show, on the Charlie Kirk show.

00:42:34.220 and uh they were kind of discussing things and um i think charlie kirk said something to the effect

00:42:38.720 of uh maybe they were talking about october 7th i can't remember exactly but it was a question

00:42:43.380 about israel and ben ben shapiro's eyebrows basically went through the roof when he heard it

00:42:47.720 and so uh i mean uh even on top of that we see some of the josh hammer tweets um recently where

00:42:54.080 he retweeted on the september 9th the day before he retweeted trump's post from like 2013 on uh

00:43:01.720 public executions. And then he posted his own tweet saying public executions almost two hours

00:43:08.200 after Charlie Kirk was shot. So you have questions coming out like that, that things are coming to

00:43:14.560 the forefront. Like I said earlier, we're not going to get new footage. We're not going to get

00:43:18.220 new information, witness information. And so now we have to start looking back. We have to start

00:43:23.080 looking back. Where did we start? Where did we come from? And how did we get here? And that's

00:43:27.680 what we're going to have to piece together from now on. Because like I said, I don't think we're

00:43:31.100 going to get much new anything i don't know about you joel but i think when you pick allies i feel

00:43:36.620 like we try to pick ones that if something terrible would happen to us they wouldn't kind

00:43:40.500 of start looking at our allies and be like did they do it just practically speaking yeah you

00:43:45.800 would think yeah yeah um all right zeb you've been super helpful and i know you've been uh putting

00:43:50.800 out a lot of great material on this particular topic so uh tell our listeners where can they

00:43:56.640 go to follow some of the the material you've put out and some of the new stuff that you're working

00:44:00.340 on yeah so we are live uh every weekday most weekdays unless i have something actually going

00:44:06.040 on on outside the overton on youtube we have a clips channel on twitter also uh oto clips and

00:44:11.780 then i have my personal twitter which is zeb boykin um and beyond that you can find any links

00:44:17.100 to uh anything else that we're doing in the youtube description uh on lives um and then i'm

00:44:22.040 like we mentioned earlier i think the respect uh aspect is probably going to be up in two days i'm

00:44:28.660 looking at a month on the respect aspect. So I think there's some things that need to be looked

00:44:32.680 into that haven't really been dug into heavily. And one of those things is Erica Kirk and her

00:44:38.840 involvement and her background. And so somebody is going to have to touch it, right? And to some

00:44:45.680 extent, like I've mentioned in the ballistics video, I think there's some duty that I have or

00:44:50.560 we have just across the board that it needs to be out there. And if they're not going to be

00:44:56.040 transparent with what they're giving us, then, uh, like I said, we're going to have to look back

00:44:59.160 and try to make sense of what we see today. And, uh, I guess Erica Kirk video is going to be

00:45:04.760 coming maybe not sooner than soon as you want it to, but, uh, it'll be here eventually.

00:45:10.940 Okay. Uh, real quick, just as a teaser for that, uh, Erica Kirk, her dad, what does he do or what

00:45:18.900 has he done? I don't know. Google him. Google him. You won't find anything. You won't find anything.

00:45:25.280 I mean, I haven't done, I haven't put everything together yet.

00:45:29.100 We have, I have basically a pile of evidence that I need to sift through and organize.

00:45:34.340 And so I'm going to start working on that.

00:45:36.140 I don't have a completely coherent story that I need to push yet.

00:45:39.600 And so it's going to take maybe a few days, maybe a week or so to put that together and

00:45:43.440 then film that.

00:45:44.420 Obviously, they came out the other day talking about they were going to start pushing for

00:45:47.620 defamation lawsuits.

00:45:48.980 And Andrew Colvitt posted that they have really good lawyers.

00:45:51.700 And I believe them.

00:45:52.360 I believe they have really good lawyers.

00:45:54.000 Yeah. And so so it's definitely going to be a touchy subject.

00:45:57.400 And I want to do it right without I kind of want to remove emotion from it and just push what is evident, push the evidence that is there and be as transparent as I can, because obviously they aren't.

00:46:12.180 OK. All right. Well, we really appreciate you taking the time to come on the show today.

00:46:16.380 means a lot. And we'd be honored to have you come back on in the future, especially

00:46:22.020 as more evidence. Well, we'll see. I mean, this may be all we get. I kind of have a feeling it's

00:46:26.940 all we get. But if more evidence transpires, you know, is exposed, then we'd be happy to welcome

00:46:32.500 you back on the show to break down some of that. But thanks for coming on. And we're going to go

00:46:38.060 ahead now and go to our final commercial break. And then Wes and I will stick around and deal

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00:46:46.420 in last minute uh this is your final chance we're going to our last commercial break and our final

00:46:51.400 third and final segment and we'll deal with the super chat said thanks again for coming on the

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00:48:58.600 all right we're back uh we're gonna first deal with a question from ninja 5150 it's not a

00:49:05.980 question it's a statement he said all right that's it i'm done you guys are wrong if you

00:49:09.940 guys are now pushing that erica is a part of it erica kirk uh well then i'm out goodbye um no

00:49:16.700 we're not pushing that uh this is what we're doing okay i want to make this abundantly clear

00:49:20.080 um what we're doing is we are simply admitting that we do not have a viable suspect we don't

00:49:28.600 it's just not that that has not been presented to us uh we've got about um is much of a ironclad

00:49:37.620 provable narrative for tyler robinson being the sole actor who assassinated charlie kirk as we do

00:49:44.600 with the epstein files as we do with jfk files as we do like um here's the reality one of the

00:49:51.600 biggest people to blame in all this is cash patel it is your pam bondies it's your cash patels it's

00:49:57.220 the FBI, like they have absolutely fumbled the ball, absolutely fumbled the ball. And until they

00:50:05.300 actually provide something that is substantial, that is reasonable, that's believable, that's

00:50:11.600 compelling with evidence, then basically what you're looking at is we don't know who actually

00:50:19.080 killed Charlie Kirk. And we certainly don't know even close to who all was involved, right?

00:50:26.020 multiple different players so with any crime right god forbid this would never happen but god forbid

00:50:31.520 if my wife murdered me okay and there was they they're looking around and maybe initially they're

00:50:38.920 like oh we think it might have been this this neighbor who was going for a jog you know around

00:50:42.920 the time that you know that joel was found dead you know and jogged past his house and they bring

00:50:47.780 them in they interrogate them they ask some questions this and that and the other but they

00:50:51.300 can't they can't prove anything they don't have any any serious evidence then eventually they

00:50:56.980 have to let him go and that neighbor never confesses tyler robinson has not confessed

00:51:01.660 they eventually have to let him go and the search continues and if they can't come up with anyone

00:51:05.880 eventually one of the things that they end up doing when you're solving for a murder when

00:51:11.020 you're solving for a crime is you you speak to the family you speak to the spouse you speak to

00:51:17.560 the staff. You speak to a number of individuals and you ask them interrogating questions. And yes,

00:51:24.580 you want to be sensitive. You want to be respectful, especially when it's a spouse who's

00:51:28.860 grieving the loss of a loved one. But if we had a compelling story with facts, okay. But if the

00:51:38.840 story is um tyler robinson boyfriend of a gay furry shot a literal cannon but charlie kirk

00:51:48.800 was a superhero with you know wolverine you know metal inside of his neck that stopped the bullet

00:51:55.700 and then he broke the gun down on the roof in literally record time that no one's ever done

00:52:02.460 an old wooden rifle that doesn't disassemble yep and and then put it into his pants but could still

00:52:07.940 run perfectly where you couldn't even see this very large weapon and then drop the weapon

00:52:13.260 reassembled right so he had time to reassemble the woods and drop it off in the woods and then

00:52:18.760 got away and told a bunch of people that he did it and then went to a shift at Dairy Queen and

00:52:24.020 then went to shift at Dairy Queen if that's all we're being given by our absolutely incompetent

00:52:32.520 and that's gracious incompetent i'm about this close to saying nefarious and wicked okay but

00:52:38.560 i'll stick for now with with our current absolutely incompetent fbi if that's what they're presented

00:52:46.000 then everything should be on the table question everyone question everyone you need to be asking

00:52:52.220 questions to everyone yes you do it respectfully and yes people are innocent until proven guilty

00:52:58.380 But yes, these questions have to be asked

00:53:00.300 because no answers have been presented.

00:53:03.620 Questions have to be asked

00:53:04.720 because no answers have been presented.

00:53:07.480 So nowhere in this episode today,

00:53:09.800 just to make that abundantly clear,

00:53:11.600 did Zeb or me or Wes say,

00:53:14.540 hey, we think so-and-so did this.

00:53:18.800 No, we're saying, hey,

00:53:19.780 we think everyone needs to be questioned

00:53:23.120 because apparently the FBI

00:53:25.400 doesn't have a clue who did this.

00:53:27.760 a random podcaster named Candace Owens has provided, I think, more compelling evidence thus

00:53:34.020 far than the FBI. I don't like that. I wish that wasn't the case. I would like to be a part of a

00:53:40.720 country that, you know, the law enforcement was more competent than a random black woman behind

00:53:47.820 a microphone in a podcast. I mean, that's my preference. That's the country I'd love to live

00:53:51.440 in. I wish that country existed. It doesn't exist here. Not the country that we currently live in.

00:53:55.420 So as long as those are the facts, as long as we live in the United States of incompetent America, then yes, you got to go back to the drawing board, blank canvas, and you question everyone. It's a crime scene. It's an open investigation, and we do not have a serious viable suspect.

00:54:13.960 maybe tyler robinson is a patsy maybe i don't i don't know how but maybe he's actually the shooter

00:54:20.800 but it even in that instance it seems very clear that at minimum if he's the shooter he had help

00:54:27.420 and more likely he's not the shooter because it's the time doesn't add up for him to be able to do

00:54:35.260 that and pull it off so then who is involved who also is involved behind the scenes and in that

00:54:41.460 sense i'm not saying you just question the wife or that you question her harshly but you question

00:54:47.460 everyone you question his business partners you question some of these donors you question you

00:54:52.700 you question everyone the this meeting that they had with seth dylan and a bunch of other

00:54:58.420 up in the hamptons yeah you you question them um and you try to get to the bottom of who did this

00:55:06.420 how did they do this and why because right now we don't really have any of those answers so that's

00:55:12.900 that's what we're talking about we're not trying to blame anyone in particular

00:55:16.600 thomas crooks who nearly shot trump in the head a year ago or the alleged killer charlie kirk i

00:55:22.180 feel like with both of them we know zero zero the most high profile political assassinations

00:55:27.280 won an attempt one successful 20 to 25 years no idea who they were no idea where they came from

00:55:33.700 no idea if they were groomed by intel what connections they had we don't know anything

00:55:38.080 about this guy thomas crooks and when it's coming to charlie kirk we're a month out

00:55:42.100 and the trail is going cold like that's how these things that's how it works you have to hop on the

00:55:46.660 trail before it goes cold and even with um thomas brooks at least in that instance there's a million

00:55:52.820 questions still unanswered but at least in that instance um you don't have the sheer audacity of

00:55:58.940 the fbi telling us you know like like he he you know was shot and killed right you know on the

00:56:05.560 roof uh with a gun um now there's tons of questions of like how in the world did he get on that roof

00:56:11.380 with that gun when everyone's literally pointing and saying he's on the roof he's why did his

00:56:15.860 cell phone visit uh fbi offices in langley yeah so there's massive many many many questions

00:56:22.840 unanswered but my point is at least in that instance people literally saw him get onto the

00:56:27.740 roof they saw him get onto the roof with a gun uh he was shot on the roof right nobody's having

00:56:34.600 to say oh he had superhuman speed and he did this and he did that like flash gordon no like he he

00:56:39.820 died on the roof um after after allegedly firing the shot which i think he did fire the shot but

00:56:46.120 who else is involved um at least that one there's still a million unanswered questions about who

00:56:50.960 else was involved and was he groomed and this that and the other but at least it's compelling

00:56:55.500 that um that this individual very likely pulled the trigger right in the case of tyler robinson

00:57:02.060 we don't even have that we don't even have a compelling narrative uh that that accounts for

00:57:07.200 in a credible way uh tyler robinson actually being able to fire off the shot and this incompetence i

00:57:14.400 mean think of the las vegas shooting the current narrative now is this dude hauled thousands of

00:57:18.380 pounds of machine gun and removed hurricane glass from like a 20-story building weighing something

00:57:23.640 like 600 pounds, set up a machine gun, and rained down fire. It was one of the biggest mass shootings.

00:57:28.840 We still don't know how he did that. That is still the official narrative. Yeah, he was able to get

00:57:31.900 up there. He hauled all these weapons up in a hotel, unseen, removed hundreds of pounds worth

00:57:36.280 of glass. There are so many different stories where it's like, well, how did that happen? This

00:57:41.280 defies logic. You close your lying eyes and you believe, and we are done being told that. No, you,

00:57:47.820 the federal bureau of investigation work for us we the people demand answers why these people died

00:57:54.020 why this person was assassinated why they supposedly maybe visited our intel community

00:57:58.680 what are you doing to us who is doing it why when and where and if it's nefarious who's going to be

00:58:05.020 held accountable to interviewing individuals and saying this piece doesn't match up and this piece

00:58:10.060 doesn't match up and here's the deal when people are innocent guess what happens they give their

00:58:13.860 story and you go, yeah, that checks out. Like the president of France, his wife, there was a hit

00:58:20.040 piece like, is this woman really a man? Well, sounds like she provided evidence in court.

00:58:25.360 So when you're wrong, what happens is typically evidence comes out and people are vindicated.

00:58:30.340 You have your day in court. We have that saying. What we're asking is every single angle. What

00:58:35.600 about this? What about that? We're not claiming this episode. Israel did it for sure. But you

00:58:40.720 need to investigate if jewish donors were frustrated at charlie kirk and mad at him was there an

00:58:46.320 involvement that is perfectly valid perfectly reasonable yep all right super chats you go ahead

00:58:52.020 and start all right we have a good one here at the two-parter from this dude rocks he sent two

00:58:57.180 twenty dollar ones very kind we really appreciate the donation he asked this part one what do we

00:59:03.320 call pharmakia as psychedelics are adopted christians must ask are we banning substances

00:59:08.580 what biological basis bans them? Do some have zero medical use? Do some psychedelics have

00:59:15.200 zero medical use? And did God create things that only have demonic human use? The second part of

00:59:22.520 this question, he said, we need to know what in the brain we can't engage with. What substances

00:59:27.460 in the brain can we not engage with? Banning psychedelics would mean anything that engages

00:59:32.060 the serotonin 5-HT receptors.

00:59:35.280 Christians must intellectually do this discussion.

00:59:38.340 If we don't, the enemy will.

00:59:40.860 Essentially, he's asking the question,

00:59:42.140 so this is a word from the Bible,

00:59:44.240 pharmakia, in the Greek.

00:59:45.520 Paul uses it in Galatians and Revelations.

00:59:48.460 Well, it has a range.

00:59:49.500 So pharmakon is the original word that it comes from.

00:59:52.780 That can have a very benign usage

00:59:54.160 in the idea of potions and drugs.

00:59:57.540 So you're talking about substances

00:59:58.800 that you take into your body,

01:00:00.200 but a potion could be a healing potion.

01:00:02.060 hey, you've got a cold, this can help clear your nose.

01:00:04.760 But as we look at witchcraft, rituals, sorcery,

01:00:09.700 we have to be honest that these often do involve some type of psychedelics.

01:00:13.780 I think of the Indians.

01:00:14.580 They would smoke psychedelic drugs, peyote, and commune with corn demons.

01:00:20.120 And so wherever you see demonic activity, wherever you see witchcraft,

01:00:24.020 we've got to be honest, these things often involve some level of mind-altering potion.

01:00:29.160 and what you're really getting at here what this dude rocks is asking where does the body end and

01:00:34.520 the brain begin because i think what paul is getting across is he's saying listen uh it's

01:00:39.260 not as though sorcery is fake we've had this discussion on the show before uh the reason

01:00:43.460 witchcraft is bad the reason witchcraft was banned in the old testament the reason witchcraft should

01:00:48.740 be banned today in a christian nation is not because it's fake and it's lame and a larp no

01:00:54.540 because it's actually real because we're not just stuff we're not just material every single

01:00:59.320 individual human being has a real soul a spiritual soul and that spiritual soul at a certain level

01:01:05.460 can interact with spiritual elements for christians they're indwelt with the holy spirit

01:01:10.360 the holy spirit is not a material being it is a spiritual being that indwells us when we're saved

01:01:15.180 by christ however our body the soul within it this soul can interact with i think of demons during

01:01:22.020 jesus's ministry and then to his point with psychedelics you can take psychedelics and

01:01:26.560 commune with and we see what we see is not a well this person took this psychedelic and had a

01:01:31.160 completely unique experience and this person and this person and every person that's ever taken

01:01:35.120 psychedelics has always seen totally different things now if you get into the community people

01:01:39.520 actually see the same thing they see the same types of beings they have the same types of

01:01:44.560 experiences so when individuals take these substances suppress the body venture out

01:01:50.200 spiritually, they're actually really dealing with real spiritual dimensions, real spiritual beings,

01:01:56.300 and we are not equipped for it. The human is a, he's a natural man. Paul says this in 1 Corinthians

01:02:02.680 15. We're bodies first and foremost. In time, we will be given spiritual bodies, resurrected bodies,

01:02:09.060 and we'll actually be able to navigate. We'll see God, who is invisible, a spiritual being.

01:02:14.860 So the question is, you've got body and you've got soul, and these two are bound together.

01:02:19.880 So it's not as though the body is a vessel and the soul is deposited in it.

01:02:23.740 They're distinct.

01:02:24.860 You have a real soul and a real body.

01:02:26.700 Not identical, but they're also not totally separated.

01:02:29.700 And where is it that we can take substances that affect the body to varying degrees,

01:02:34.880 but as they begin to affect the soul, where does the Christian have to stop?

01:02:40.260 Kind of give the ends of the spectrum LSD.

01:02:43.740 LSD, when you take enough of it, the body and the soul, to a degree,

01:02:48.540 they're disconnected, and you see spiritual things. DMT, same thing. Let's put that way at

01:02:53.660 the right side of the spectrum. And then let's take vitamin D, just straight up, helps you sleep

01:02:58.740 better, helps you get some sunlight, whatever it would be. Purely affects the body, like literally

01:03:03.380 affects the body. There's nothing spiritual about it. Purely affects the mind. And then let's kind

01:03:08.740 of look at a gradient and realize, hey, there's some things, they're actually a little bit closer.

01:03:12.760 i think of testosterone for a man you as a man you're not just a man physically but a agender or

01:03:19.720 androgynous soul your actual soul as well has a maleness to it you have a masculine soul so

01:03:27.000 testosterone a real physical molecule a deficit of that has an impact you're going to act less

01:03:33.800 manly you're going to struggle with discipline you'll be fatter so it's not enough to just say

01:03:38.680 well there's the body you'll be gayer you'll be gayer here's all the things that affect the body

01:03:43.080 has no impact on the soul here's the soul rather it's a continuity so to the question can we take

01:03:50.440 this can we take that are there certain receptors here and there that we can't we can't take anything

01:03:56.060 for that i think of a lot of uh antidepressants like those affect the serotonin receptors so your

01:04:01.940 ssri that stands for selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor do you have something that really

01:04:06.960 affects real molecules but also a lot of school shooters run antidepressants uh drugs like mdma

01:04:13.240 molly lsd others those affect serotonin so here's what i would say wrapping it all up every the body

01:04:20.440 and the soul are connected a healthy body is going to lead to a healthy soul a sickly soul i think of

01:04:25.640 grief grief is a spiritual thing it has real physical impacts on your body like i mean david

01:04:31.880 even says like when I uh when I had not confessed my sin my bones wasted away or uh bitterness you

01:04:39.400 know the proverb's bitterness rot is rot in the bone so like there can yeah so there can be

01:04:44.660 spiritual um realities that have physical effects and there can be physical realities that have

01:04:51.060 spiritual effects like sometimes you know when I'm doing pastoral counseling it's like somebody's

01:04:56.180 just been struggling with depression and we're going over you know scripture verse after scripture

01:04:59.980 traverse and we're applying it, you know, with their marriage and with this and this relationship

01:05:03.700 and this, you know, emotion. And then, you know, come to find out, you know, like things aren't

01:05:08.620 still aren't improving. Maybe there's some improvement, but there's, you know, the problem

01:05:11.700 is still largely there. And, you know, finally, you know, we are able to nail down, oh, well,

01:05:17.540 I go to sleep at 3 a.m. I never exercise and I eat, you know, like a exclusive diet of seed oils.

01:05:26.920 oh okay well that's why you're depressed so yeah we're not gnostics no right uh we are spirit and

01:05:33.780 body um it's not just the spiritual realm it's also not just the physical realm um but both

01:05:40.900 both realities and both of these realities parallel to one another and intersecting at points

01:05:46.920 and and one affecting the other so um i'm with you i think that was really insightful west that

01:05:53.020 was a great answer um and i would just end it by saying so we look at individual substance

01:05:57.340 i think of alcohol alcohol can have two effects god made wine to gladden the hearts of man so the

01:06:02.860 same receptors in your body in your brain that you take a glass of wine yeah friday night to the

01:06:08.800 glory of god is a good thing yep and that same wine proverbs also talks very strongly when

01:06:14.520 righteously used can make you happy exactly and that's and that's a biblical thing the bible

01:06:20.880 commends that as a positive good yep but the point is it's the same receptors right so in the brain

01:06:26.600 i don't think we can say to his question this is off limits this is off limits for any type of

01:06:31.820 influence but what we can say is this substance do we see some type of valid biblical use for it

01:06:38.680 they're ready to say it they're ready wait a second you're saying alcohol has a psychological

01:06:45.380 effect um and we can just go ahead and finally get our wish and ban all alcohol we can do it

01:06:51.940 yeah right no you're right it's a sliding scale it's a sliding scale and it just requires a lot

01:06:57.000 of wisdom and i'm prepared to say there's some substances where you cannot make a definitive

01:07:01.380 case for its valid use so vitamin d even up to alcohol which can have some very damaging effects

01:07:07.680 your health your relationship to god all of that but you still see valid use hey this still makes

01:07:12.280 me healthy like you as a christian are not allowed to ingest minor amounts of cyanide

01:07:16.300 right get yourself sick so this is just it's i'm doing it i'm doing it in moderation cyanide

01:07:20.840 in moderation no no you don't get to do that don't get to do it doesn't help you out so i think it's

01:07:25.080 not about what's in the brain literally being acted upon but can i see the substance and say

01:07:29.620 and this is how it fits into a biblical category these are the real beneficial effects that'll have

01:07:34.280 and so i can justify it in use in these cases and there are a number of molecules i do not think you

01:07:39.580 can say this has a valid use so if there's no valid use that we can make a case for exactly

01:07:44.320 mushrooms dmt you have to say nope these are not allowed some other ones hey this has a potential

01:07:50.460 for misuse cbd certainly thc to a degree but i understand there are receptors in the body that

01:07:56.660 can help soothe pain so on that one hey much more case by case alcohol oh the bible allows it those

01:08:03.080 are the ones you allow but then you say hey these i literally uh you're accessing spiritual

01:08:08.100 dimensions. That is the biblical word for sorcery. You can't do that. There's no valid use. They're

01:08:14.060 off the table. Christians can't have these. These, moderation, wisdom, sensibility, maybe.

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01:08:42.560 He said, I see no reason to say that the left and Israel are mutually exclusive.

01:08:47.900 True.

01:08:49.020 When it comes to their likely culpability, either of Charlie's death or the death of our country.

01:08:56.920 I completely agree.

01:08:58.080 I think that, you know, there's a lot of guys that I'm friends with, good Christian guys who, you know, are a little bit more normie centric than I am.

01:09:05.720 and um you know and we all have the group chats and all those kinds of things and a lot of them

01:09:10.820 said joel you know like don't you know don't ruin this one for us uh because we we've got the left

01:09:15.520 on the ropes you know like um and that's a huge problem and we know that you agree and i certainly

01:09:20.300 do that um that the left political left um is a massive problem so whether it's the lgbt lmnop

01:09:27.140 mafia um or you know whatever it may be um yeah there's there's um a lot of problems that stem

01:09:34.000 from the left and and if you're getting kind of groundswell in in your overall american populace

01:09:40.280 against the left like hey this is not just you know people's private choices and the privacy of

01:09:44.680 their bedroom but these are having you know cultural societal effects and we need to crack

01:09:49.380 down and some of these groups need to be labeled as terrorists um uh yeah you that's some pretty

01:09:55.980 good momentum i i get it you don't want to lose that um and so i want to be clear as as you know

01:10:01.460 with this episode and if we do anything in the future as we're asking some of these questions

01:10:05.020 it is not to take the pressure off the left whatsoever transgenderism is a plague on america

01:10:12.160 absolutely one way or the other period end of discussion and yet at the same time we can also

01:10:21.080 say that's a problem but there are also certain individuals higher up right it's not just you

01:10:28.780 can't you can't just treat symptoms like like problematic symptoms in a nation um you also

01:10:36.680 need to say okay uh so transgenderism sure uh but also like lives of tiktok and elon musk for that

01:10:43.000 matter um you know commented on this and i'm very glad it's it's very helpful they didn't just say

01:10:47.900 hey you know what um transgender uh certain individual transgender people who happen to

01:10:54.900 go on a mass shooting spree or assassinate someone that's a problem and i stand against that

01:11:00.400 no they they said no we need to go deeper how come everybody's turning out to be a gay furry

01:11:05.980 right we didn't have a bunch of gay furries and you know in 1776 you know like uh what why why

01:11:12.240 do we have this epidemic now and so they're like well let's look at our media oh netflix

01:11:18.880 oh not just one show this show this show this show this show this show this show this show

01:11:23.520 and and lives lives of tiktok was just posting for like like 72 hours straight and elon musk was

01:11:30.240 retweeting and a bunch of others uh exact clips and scenes from like a dozen different children

01:11:36.040 shows some of these shows geared towards two and three-year-olds on netflix proudly hosted not just

01:11:42.500 a one-off like oh you know that one slipped by you know like the cuties show back in the day and

01:11:47.180 people were banning netflix and good on them but this is like oh no there's a couple dozen shows

01:11:52.180 geared towards toddlers um so that's so my point is that's good so so we can crack down on the left

01:11:59.820 we can crack down on transgenderism and all these different things but then we can also say um who

01:12:04.920 is peddling this who's promulgating it who who's who's promoting this and we can say oh this

01:12:11.380 company okay and who's making these decisions at this company and who's the ceo of this company

01:12:17.760 And if you find there's a dozen different companies that are massive and have had 80% of the influence in pushing this certain cultural epidemic that's wicked and harmful in our country, and then out of those dozen organizations, if you find the people making the decisions higher up in those organizations, that 50% of them, 60% of them, 70% of them are Jewish,

01:12:47.760 Even though it's not Israel, it's not Israeli government,

01:12:50.700 but American rich Jewish people who make up,

01:12:54.900 I mean, Jews only make, I think,

01:12:56.860 two, three percent of the entire world of America's population.

01:13:01.280 It can't be that.

01:13:02.180 Maybe about the same.

01:13:03.100 I think it's about the same.

01:13:03.900 It's about the same, two or three.

01:13:04.900 So if you determine that, right?

01:13:07.760 If that's what's determined,

01:13:09.080 so you're cracking down on the left, on the Democrats.

01:13:11.780 That's fine.

01:13:12.920 It's never a bad day to pick on the Democrats.

01:13:14.540 So if you're cracking down on the Democrats

01:13:16.160 and transgenderism is bad that's great and i think you can do both i agree with with the sentiment

01:13:22.200 you can crack down on the democrats and and transgenderism and you can also say hey let's

01:13:28.380 pull back the curtain who's behind this right oh this corporation this corporation this okay and

01:13:33.240 who are the individuals who made these decisions okay this person this person okay are there any

01:13:37.480 patterns with these kinds of individuals okay they're all democrats all right are there any

01:13:43.980 other characteristics oh um 60 of them are one particular ethnicity but that ethnicity

01:13:51.580 only accounts for two percent of our entire nation's population hey what does that mean

01:13:58.940 something is there something to be said about that should we bring this to the public's attention

01:14:04.660 should we be aware of this you can do both yeah everyone in 2020 when at the height of wokeness

01:14:10.080 they knew white male ceo right they're overrepresented white men are only disproportionate

01:14:15.200 but they make up everybody knows hey there's a group here and they are way misrepresented be it

01:14:21.780 in a good way or be it a bad be it in a bad way so saying hey we have to notice this is this is

01:14:27.380 the case this is what it is none of that is nefarious you're literally just saying statistically

01:14:32.360 this is not how it falls and i know everybody knows how to do that because just four years ago

01:14:37.480 it was white men this, white men that, white people this, white churches this. You all know

01:14:43.660 how to do it. You seem to think it's actually bad when these people are overrepresented. So now

01:14:48.000 we're turning around and saying, hey, these things are objectively bad and these people are

01:14:52.060 represented. Yep. Well said. Julian Stevenson, you want to read that one? All right. $5 from

01:14:58.140 Julian. Much appreciated. Look up Show Your Faith by Works LLC. It's a foreign lobbying group aimed

01:15:04.500 to geolocate christians during sunday worship to target them with israel ads this story is this is

01:15:10.540 true this is bonkers so crazy you can do something called geofencing uh think of your phone all right

01:15:15.880 so your phone think of pokemon was it like pokemon go pokemon go yeah yeah that's right it was before

01:15:23.320 that was before my time wasn't my thing but um think of your phone you have tons of data you

01:15:27.100 have location data think about it facebook like if you have the facebook app that thing is pulling

01:15:32.040 your location information so that app has tons of data and you know these companies get rich

01:15:36.860 they sell that data if you could figure out for example uh when people what time people shop

01:15:42.780 the most when in a woman's pregnancy she buys kids clothes there was a time about five years

01:15:47.960 ago so think how far it's come since then target just from a woman's shopping there's actually a

01:15:52.680 young girl a daughter just from her shopping patterns figured out she was pregnant it was

01:15:56.720 sending her maternity stuff the dad was furious he's like what in the world you're sending her

01:16:00.820 this, she's not even pregnant? She'd be like, Dad, I kind of am. So huge companies, your Facebooks,

01:16:06.660 your targets, everything like that, they're using massive amounts of data to pinpoint you,

01:16:11.640 to show you the ads that you want to have, to sell, to get money off of you. So when it comes

01:16:16.560 to geofencing, there are ways to buy data of people that have been within a certain region.

01:16:22.540 So in this case, a church. If you have a church of 3,000 people, you can buy the data to see

01:16:27.700 the individual device signatures that go to that church and then come back out and using that

01:16:33.540 target those people for ads so in this case show your works show your faith by works llc

01:16:40.080 foreign lobbying agent had been tracking data i think it was from 30 different churches in three

01:16:44.720 different states and using that data to specifically target the people that attended

01:16:49.220 those churches with pro-israel ads as a form of propaganda it's honestly hats off yeah it's a good

01:16:56.420 strategy yeah and it's not illegal like it's not illegal to buy data it's not illegal you agree to

01:17:01.240 it that we should be aware of like as protestant christians you should be aware um that israel

01:17:06.880 thinks you're suckers yeah they do they think you're suckers and you are being targeted with

01:17:13.560 propaganda all the time so you should just be aware of that right from israel's standpoint

01:17:18.860 you know in our sacred capitalism bravo you know quite quite the move fantastic strategy

01:17:26.700 forget the billboard that hits everyone we want greg lock's church attendees yeah we need to make

01:17:31.660 sure you are towing the line right they're like let's put trackers on everybody who attends john

01:17:36.100 haggie's church yeah like this is our core we can't lose them right we need to hit them every

01:17:40.940 week yeah so uh that's what they're doing it's not illegal to do so from their side of the aisle

01:17:45.520 I can certainly see why it would be advantageous.

01:17:47.660 Hats off.

01:17:48.540 But from our side of the aisle and everybody listening to this show,

01:17:51.360 if you are a Protestant Christian, you need to be aware.

01:17:54.280 Be aware.

01:17:55.200 And for those of you who have loved ones, right?

01:17:57.280 So maybe you're a little bit more red-pilled on the topic,

01:18:01.120 but you know that you have your dispensational mom and dad,

01:18:04.340 you know, aunt and uncle,

01:18:05.880 and you know that they are being preyed upon.

01:18:10.020 P-R-E-Y.

01:18:11.040 They're being preyed upon by a number of corporations, to be fair.

01:18:14.960 right you know but trump's campaign actually succeeded in 2016 this was the big thing they did

01:18:20.560 hyper targeted ads let's see like local catholic moms for trump in iowa this has been going on for

01:18:25.920 a while yes but here we're pointing out this is literally a foreign country registered foreign

01:18:30.840 lobbying agency to churches christian churches in america we want to show you these ads that's uh

01:18:37.120 that's pretty orwell it's another another level and uh and we want to make sure that our listeners

01:18:41.080 are informed so thank you julian stevenson for bringing that up you're absolutely right i'm glad

01:18:44.760 We got to address it.

01:18:46.020 We got $5 from Boy Anderson.

01:18:48.580 Boy Anderson, thank you so much.

01:18:50.400 We also got $5 from Mostly Peaceful Merch.

01:18:54.220 He's a regular.

01:18:54.920 We appreciate you greatly.

01:18:56.300 Thank you, Mostly Peaceful Merch.

01:18:58.080 And then we also got $50.

01:19:00.360 Very generous.

01:19:01.180 Thank you so much.

01:19:01.900 This is from Cameron Stevenson.

01:19:03.700 Cameron's a great guy.

01:19:04.620 He follows us regularly.

01:19:05.940 Cameron, thank you for your generosity.

01:19:07.880 Appreciate it a lot.

01:19:08.960 Cameron says, shout out to Wes, the sensible moderate.

01:19:12.720 So true.

01:19:13.100 So true.

01:19:14.760 well not entirely i'd like to think you're you're i like to think of you as um center right because

01:19:21.640 if you're a moderate dead center and then just then i'm really right and i can't i can't have

01:19:26.400 that right because if you're exactly center right then i'm a lib so i think wes is center right i'm

01:19:32.980 a perfect centrist all right so all that's now been covered here we go so he says thanks for

01:19:38.300 the info on top guys oh i'm not supposed to be talking about it i'm talking hey it's a super

01:19:42.960 chat he said it cameron this is not me this is cameron his words and uh he's allowed to speak

01:19:49.000 freedom of speech all right so he says thank you uh wes for the info on uh your top guys and for

01:19:55.480 your help with the job search brother uh you personally reached out and helped him yes that's

01:20:00.600 very kind we do that for our top guys yeah just saying if you're not a top guy i don't even know

01:20:06.820 what you're doing i i do know what you're doing you're going to be jobless your family's going

01:20:10.280 to starve that's what's you better become a top guy and especially if you're looking to move to

01:20:14.380 the area like this is a great place to live these guys are moving here fantastic yep george that's

01:20:19.940 just in general that's not how george town is a fantastic in general moving here um if you have

01:20:24.620 a skill hey would this yeah reach out i get people who email me all the time and i can't respond to

01:20:29.300 all of them but i'll be honest you want a response all you have to do is say in the headline of the

01:20:33.380 email um prayerfully considering moving to georgetown to be a part of your church

01:20:38.100 that person gets a phone call yeah that's just that's that's how it works um okay so he said

01:20:43.640 thanks for um uh giving me info to join the top guys thanks for your help with the job search

01:20:48.460 uh if i don't find a job soon i'll just apply for a position with ice doing the lord's work

01:20:54.440 god bless them i wish they had a location i think it's dallas and san antonio i wish it was

01:20:59.580 yeah but san antonio like close enough hour and a half there's people that can be hours

01:21:05.660 yeah we literally have we literally have like two or three families this is insane

01:21:10.060 two or three families and they drive um one of them drives two and a half hours one way

01:21:14.820 so five hour round trip to our church another one is like an hour and 45 minutes so it can't be done

01:21:20.540 i wouldn't want to do it you could also live they live way out west of san antonio you could live

01:21:26.300 north san antonio that's right commute south to ice for work do the lord's work commute north

01:21:30.860 And have like maybe an hour, 20-minute drive.

01:21:33.000 You could probably get it to like, yeah, probably about an hour,

01:21:34.880 maybe 50 minutes out to us.

01:21:36.640 To church.

01:21:37.220 Not unthinkable.

01:21:38.140 Not unthinkable.

01:21:39.200 Could you imagine?

01:21:40.120 What a life.

01:21:41.160 I know.

01:21:41.460 You get to sit underneath far-right extremist preaching

01:21:44.840 from Joel Webin on Sunday and then go round up illegals

01:21:48.300 Monday through Friday?

01:21:49.400 Monday through Saturday, probably.

01:21:50.800 Monday through Saturday?

01:21:51.980 God bless.

01:21:52.880 What a life.

01:21:54.260 God bless.

01:21:54.860 All right, Kodiak Joe, $10 from him.

01:21:57.420 Thank you, Kodiak.

01:21:58.280 We really appreciate it.

01:21:59.200 He says, so with receipts now being shown and battle lines being drawn, will we see the tour?

01:22:09.040 T-U-R-E?

01:22:10.060 True.

01:22:10.620 True.

01:22:11.180 Oh, okay.

01:22:11.740 All right.

01:22:12.000 Just typo.

01:22:12.540 The true right go full mask off and say enough is enough.

01:22:18.080 Or will Americans never stand up and hold the line?

01:22:22.100 That's a great question.

01:22:23.380 Americans will stand up.

01:22:24.680 If you read Alexis de Tocqueville, this is a French guy who came over in the 1800s.

01:22:28.540 he was amazed he's commenting like all the other sailors it's stormy the weather's bad it's night

01:22:33.580 he's like they don't go out the americans they have more wrecks than anyone else they're fearless

01:22:38.500 i think within the american soul individuals have souls in our spirit there's a family the way you

01:22:43.200 could speak of the family having a soul with traditionism and there's a national soul the

01:22:47.420 soul the spirit the vitality of a people real quick that soul does not belong to all americans

01:22:52.040 sure that belongs to heritage americans do not get the american yeah yeah so there's there's

01:22:58.260 say, I am an American, that person does not have the spirit that you are describing right

01:23:03.260 now.

01:23:03.480 But for those who are heritage Americans, all 17 of us who are left, we've got 330 million

01:23:09.960 in the country.

01:23:10.580 There's literally 7,000 of us.

01:23:11.600 330 million people in the country, and I would say, say close to 200 million.

01:23:17.500 Yeah, that's fair.

01:23:18.920 But that American spirit, I don't think will take it forever.

01:23:22.760 Did I say 200,000?

01:23:24.220 I meant 200 million.

01:23:24.740 No, 200 million.

01:23:25.440 Yeah, 200 million.

01:23:26.300 I don't think the American spirit will take it forever.

01:23:28.260 I think I do not know the framework that it will take political this that are together will there

01:23:32.380 be a civil war it's just literally impossible I think things are going to accelerate see our

01:23:36.580 fourth turning episode and something's going to come out of that but as far as will the American

01:23:41.020 people look like Britain just straight up replaced never even lifting a finger by God's grace I don't

01:23:46.900 think that's true of us as Americans now that American spirit for the record gets us in trouble

01:23:50.600 we do not like authority like there's going to come a point there's negatives to that maybe 500

01:23:54.680 years in we got to say look because that's part of how we got here there's no sovereign here there's

01:23:59.120 no authority here we don't submit to anyone here it's not like honestly okay i'll get in trouble

01:24:03.380 for this but it is it is not a surprise that um americans are all about democracy right libertarian

01:24:09.880 you know democracy my our sacred democracy we're individuals individualism all these kinds of

01:24:15.140 things um and then you think all right what is i mean there's you know a million different

01:24:20.460 denominations, but you think like, what's the biggest? Baptist. Is there a reason for that?

01:24:25.980 Local autonomy of every single Baptist church. And I'm saying this as a Baptist. Local autonomy

01:24:31.100 of each individual church, right? Yes, you have, you know, the once a year convention or something

01:24:35.800 like that, but the convention, the denomination itself, whether it be SBC or otherwise, has no

01:24:40.980 formal authority over a local church. So the local church is completely autonomous and independent.

01:24:45.760 and within those local churches what is their church polity? Congregationalism. The congregation

01:24:51.580 gets to vote. You can look at that and say wow isn't this amazing we found the timeless church

01:24:56.640 polity principles of the Bible. Or you can say oh isn't it fascinating that in this particular

01:25:03.720 nation America in this particular time period the height of liberalism that Christians in that

01:25:13.200 milieu determined uh that that the ecclesiastical polity of the bible was democratic and egalitarian

01:25:21.640 and also individualism there's a lot of historians severed separated and i'll be honest like i as a

01:25:29.560 baptist i'm looking at that and i'm like anglicanism is starting to look pretty dang good yeah right

01:25:36.360 now there's a lot of historians that have said exactly that that in america there's a very

01:25:40.120 anti-hierarchical anti-bishop type of ethos it's not present in britain it's not present in

01:25:47.100 germany uh those had much more structured be it a diocese be it a presbytery northern

01:25:51.400 presbyterians and america baptist and methodist by far those are the biggest ones that settled

01:25:56.960 the nation the first 200 years and and the polity being very similar and so that's not a coincidence

01:26:01.720 i do need to go ahead and add a caveat i said anglicanism is not looking too bad um if it

01:26:07.500 weren't for all the gay anglicans um that's the problem is like some of these older you know um

01:26:13.520 like i mean the the church in england just appointed um a woman right uh as a very high

01:26:20.180 archbishop bishop of what canterbury yeah very high role yeah very high role so um some of these

01:26:27.760 guys you know like well we you know we're the true historic church and we have you know true

01:26:32.140 hierarchy and biblical principles and blah blah blah blah blah it's like okay then i i need you

01:26:37.840 to stop being so gay right like i mean because at a certain point like the fruit is in the pudding

01:26:42.220 right you'll know them by their fruits it'd be a lot more compelling if um because the baptists

01:26:47.880 say what you will they love them some israel my goodness uh but on moral cultural issues

01:26:53.880 the sbc is one of the most conservative denominations that there that there is on on

01:27:01.120 the planet right now. And so I do think that there are problems, you know, with the historicity and

01:27:06.900 with some of the polity and these kinds of things. But that's part of the reason why I've remained a

01:27:11.660 Baptist as long as I have. Because right now, like I get guys reaching out to me all the time. This

01:27:15.300 is all freebie stuff that I'm throwing out. But one of the most common things that I get people

01:27:19.500 who reach out, they'll say, do you know a church in this area? That's number one. Number two is

01:27:23.540 pastors reaching out or lay elders or deacons, you know, churchmen, officers of local churches

01:27:29.800 saying, we really don't want to be independent. We don't want to be rebellious. We don't want to

01:27:35.640 do our own thing. We want to join a network. We want to join a denomination. We want to join

01:27:39.140 something beyond just our local church. How good and pleasing it is when brothers dwell in unity

01:27:44.640 with one another. Can you recommend one? And my answer is always, absolutely not. Not a single

01:27:50.440 one. Well, what about the conservative Lutherans, LCMS? Do you believe that Charles Dabney, or I'm

01:27:58.920 Sorry, R.L. Dabney, that he was a heretic and in hell?

01:28:02.140 No.

01:28:03.100 Then don't join the LCMS.

01:28:05.420 You'll be excommunicated.

01:28:06.860 What about the PCA?

01:28:09.320 You mean the PCA with like hundreds of female leaders

01:28:13.560 that have just been exposed?

01:28:14.980 You'll be excommunicated.

01:28:16.320 What about the OPC?

01:28:17.540 They're based.

01:28:18.200 You'll be excommunicated.

01:28:19.100 What about the CREC?

01:28:20.740 You will be excommunicated.

01:28:22.860 You will.

01:28:23.820 Now is not the time.

01:28:25.300 It's sad.

01:28:25.700 Literally yesterday, it went viral.

01:28:26.740 a man was kicked out of his church for tweeting a picture in his local frisco texas neighborhood

01:28:31.200 of an indian religious celebration he said hey i want my kids to grow up in america not india

01:28:37.280 and matt boswell the singer of a very famous worship song his mercy is more his church where

01:28:42.360 he is the lead pastor of disciplined that man out of their church kicked him out for tweeting that

01:28:47.640 oh that's hyperbolic they would never my brother in christ literally this is happening on a weekly

01:28:52.620 basis yeah good men are being kicked out of their church a while ago i said like now granted i i was

01:28:58.740 i was being i was using hyperbole but i said 99 if you're a young white christian man on the right

01:29:05.520 politically and culturally with right-wing views and you're excommunicated 99 of the time

01:29:11.040 um it's because you're right wing it's it's extra biblical it's not a biblical case now i wouldn't

01:29:17.120 say it's 99 of this i was using hyperbole there are 90 there are yeah but there are cases where

01:29:22.280 it's like, okay, he's an adulterer, or there's this or that, some kind of form of impenitent

01:29:26.860 sin. But the point still stands that there's an epidemic right now, right? So I don't know

01:29:33.340 what the exact percentage is. There is, you know, meaningful, legitimate church discipline

01:29:37.720 practiced by, I don't know, maybe three churches left in America. But, you know, there are some

01:29:42.580 cases where churches are excommunicating rightly. But the point is, there are many, many, many cases

01:29:47.460 where they're not. And so if that's happening with the local church, so think about it's the

01:29:53.320 same principle just applied at a higher degree. If an individual is right now nervous to join a

01:30:01.160 church because they're worried that they'll be put under church discipline and excommunicated,

01:30:06.100 and there'll be a public record of that, that will follow them the rest of their life. It'll

01:30:10.040 make their church life very difficult in whatever future church they go to. And if young men right

01:30:15.840 now on the right, on the right wing, are nervous to join an individual church because they think

01:30:21.760 they might be excommunicated for holding basic views that your great-grandfather probably held,

01:30:29.700 that the average American, Christian or otherwise, held even just 80 years ago,

01:30:36.540 and you're nervous that that will be cited as top-tier theological triage. That will be cited

01:30:43.580 as heresy, and you will be put under church discipline and excommunicated, and it's permanently

01:30:48.460 now on your record, scarlet letter A, E for excommunicated, following you the rest of your

01:30:54.380 life. Just apply that now. If you're a pastor or a church leader listening to me right now,

01:30:59.680 apply that to your church joining a denomination. And I would say that the chances are just as high,

01:31:05.060 if not higher, of the denomination disassociating formally, kicking you out.

01:31:11.780 So my point is, the principle of local churches not being in pure isolation, purely autonomous, purely independent, on their own, that's not a good thing.

01:31:26.140 That idea that it's not a good thing, I support 100%, and I long and look forward and pray towards the day that I would be able to—

01:31:35.800 Right now, informally, we have a relationship with many different ministers and churches.

01:31:40.080 I long for, though, and pray for the day where I can be in formal fellowship.

01:31:45.280 And our church, our local church, can be in formal fellowship

01:31:47.700 with many, many other Christ-exalting Bible-preaching churches.

01:31:53.100 I long for that day.

01:31:54.360 That day is not today.

01:31:56.000 It's not.

01:31:57.260 It would be a liability.

01:31:58.560 So right now, the Baptist polity is one of the only things,

01:32:02.520 that independent spirit is one of the only things

01:32:05.820 keeping a lot of faithful ministers in the game,

01:32:08.420 making them bulletproof making them invulnerable um and and so right now it's it's tough i'm like

01:32:15.680 i see on one hand our problems in some sense stem from there's no sovereign here every man for

01:32:23.000 himself you're the king of your own castle it's a rebellious american spirit on the flip side

01:32:28.900 though all this goes back to what you were saying wes the strength of that also is it's really hard

01:32:34.200 to get all of america to agree to just do what you want lay down and take it lay down and take it

01:32:40.400 exactly they did during covid to be fair good lord but what happened a year in tons of states

01:32:45.400 could not enforce because people were literally patriots yeah opening up their businesses that's

01:32:49.900 right in uh new jersey ian smith i remember they closed his gym just straight up kicked down the

01:32:55.400 plywood wood barrier that the state had put up and said i'm opening this a free man lives here

01:33:00.140 we're not going to take it anymore so even in america we did lay down and take it but not for

01:33:05.180 long and not forever all right let's do the last ones quickly you go ahead all right this dude

01:33:08.980 rock sent ten dollars he said thanks for the answer west this is regarding the psychedelics

01:33:12.580 followed it up do you think any medical findings on these substances that show medical benefits

01:33:17.480 are not quite accurate or just that the practice is not justified because of the positives and so

01:33:22.340 what he's referring here to is probably different forms of psychedelic assisted therapy so you have

01:33:27.520 maps for instance uh mdma assisted psychotherapy being studied in veterans people with ptsd

01:33:32.920 those of micro dosing so people take very minor doses of lsd it's been shown to help with

01:33:37.140 depression just feeling better throughout the day and so he's kind of asking uh like so i

01:33:42.320 understand what you're saying like these things can't we can't just use them for sorcery we can't

01:33:45.960 just use them to access the spirit realm or christians gosh darn it but do they really have

01:33:50.680 these medical benefits in my experience i actually i wanted to go to college to study the effect of

01:33:55.460 some of these substances to use, how they affect the brain, all of that. What I've noticed has

01:33:59.900 happened, and other guys have said the same thing, they're like a biohacker, like Ben Greenfield.

01:34:03.840 They'll do that. So they're like, all right, I'm going to microdose LSD, or I'm going to take this

01:34:07.300 psychedelic or small amounts of shrooms. And always what happens, not necessarily short term,

01:34:12.460 short term, I do think the benefits are real. I think if you did small amounts of LSD,

01:34:16.600 every day, colors were brighter, birds were chirping, music felt amazing. Yeah, probably

01:34:21.060 for about four weeks, you'd say, hey, I don't feel depressed anymore. But what always seems to

01:34:25.140 happened long term is they said, the consequences, the bite is worse than the bark. I remember

01:34:30.720 reading a story about a guy. He would be like, I thought I could smoke weed and love Jesus. And

01:34:34.480 he's like, I would smoke weed. And then I thought I was doing worship, he said. But what always

01:34:38.400 happened was I actually just became smoking weed. There are real benefits. They're short term. And

01:34:44.500 long term, the use of spiritual substances, the use of destructive substances like weed

01:34:50.420 will always choke out the positive benefits so sure short term yes you're probably going to be

01:34:57.040 more chill and enjoy food more if you smoke weed well i feel great yeah you're not going to feel

01:35:01.620 great tomorrow though or you're not going to feel great in a month from now i think the benefits are

01:35:05.460 overwrought we have a lot of great things to help fix depression anxiety uh it's called a barbell

01:35:11.440 it's called sunlight and it's called eating right well said all right last one go ahead and do

01:35:15.540 oof the nt dungan simper reformanda nailed it two dollars thank you so much he said grace

01:35:24.420 community church sun valley on the far list the foreign agent registration list that i referenced

01:35:29.520 earlier in regards to geofencing he's saying grace community church john mccarthur's church

01:35:33.520 that he pastored was one of those that was being geofenced completely true and makes complete sense

01:35:38.520 it does uh one of these days same kind of thing with charlie kirk right you want to be sensitive

01:35:42.520 john mccarthur did a lot of good i honor him i respect him and uh and he has passed away uh still

01:35:48.200 very recently i think you know i think of him i think of oddie bacham i think of char charlie

01:35:52.040 kirk all three of them um all around the same time that they passed away so um want to be sensitive

01:35:59.160 with that but um it is worth eventually noting that um that john mccarthur did receive a letter

01:36:05.720 i have a screenshot of it um that you know from uh netanyahu directly um the big man

01:36:12.740 yep uh thanking thanking him for um his teaching and his influence on america in a positive israel

01:36:20.000 direction and you know a lot of these things um i think that i think that's wrong i'll come out

01:36:25.200 and say it i can't i can't be hypocritical and you know and try to play both sides of the field

01:36:29.680 But I think it's wrong.

01:36:31.220 I can be sympathetic, though, and say that John MacArthur was one of the very best.

01:36:38.040 But it's like being, you know, I think of, you know, Bilbo, one of his uncles.

01:36:43.720 He was like, he was so tall, right?

01:36:45.380 He's a hobbit.

01:36:46.240 He was so tall, he could ride a real horse instead of a pony.

01:36:49.340 It's like, okay, so like, this guy's a giant.

01:36:51.800 No, he's really tall, but he's tall for a hobbit, right?

01:36:55.840 John MacArthur, at the end of the day, he's not a hobbit, but he was a boomer.

01:36:59.680 and um and the best of boomers not not seen in everything in general but on the issue of israel

01:37:07.220 is still pretty zionistic and so um so yeah so the fact that john mccarthur's church is on the far

01:37:17.160 list uh is not surprising the fact that they were given a letter from the israel government and

01:37:23.560 Netanyahu thanking John MacArthur for his service in turning hearts

01:37:27.960 and people using his influence to turn the affections of Protestant Christians

01:37:33.020 in America toward Israel is not surprising.

01:37:37.920 And have those things, are those ultimately, do they have negative effects?

01:37:44.300 Yes, pretty massive.

01:37:46.140 And yet at the same time, we have to, I don't really like nuance,

01:37:51.860 but there are a few times where you need it.

01:37:53.560 um you can't just be cookie cutter black and white so you can't just look at that and say

01:37:57.580 um john mccarthur because of his teaching his doctrine as a leaky dispensationalist and his

01:38:03.000 influence um he caused a lot of protestants in america to be fond of israel and their fondness

01:38:08.360 of israel is part of the reason why israel has the stranglehold on america in our politics in

01:38:12.780 our culture that it currently has and therefore john mccarthur never did anything good and he's

01:38:16.940 a bad guy i won't say that john mccarthur did a great job he was on ben shapiro and he told him

01:38:21.440 to his face, you need Christ. The Old Testament talking about Jesus. He deserves to be commended

01:38:27.980 for it. Yep, exactly. So it's just not that simple. Oh, is this guy a bad guy, or is this

01:38:32.820 guy a good guy? And I have noticed that, you know, like Nick Fontes even says, you know, there's

01:38:36.740 low IQ anti-Semitism, and then there's high IQ. And I think it's funny, and I think it's

01:38:43.720 actually helpful, you know, categories. For the low IQ anti-Semites out there, you know,

01:38:48.000 j-pilled what you know i don't think it's actually anti-semitism but you know but for the low iq guys

01:38:53.560 who are critical of israel um i do think that sometimes there's a tendency to do this with

01:38:58.940 individuals to just you have two buckets um jew and and faithful right it's like uh this guy taught

01:39:07.060 one thing wrong at one time ever jew judeo-christian not a real christian and you just kind of you just

01:39:15.500 kind of toss them over and i think that it's it's not that simple you can look at someone say

01:39:19.520 i think you had wrong views okay why is he a product of his time and place right is he is

01:39:25.160 he a product of the fact that of of all the proper i mean the boomers were the most propagandized

01:39:30.160 generation in arguably world history the history of humanity um they never stood a chance to be

01:39:36.880 honest yeah they never stood a chance so can you look at that and and and say but yet he still

01:39:41.400 who truly love the word of god taught 95 of it faithfully um under his preaching the lord was

01:39:49.820 pleased to save millions of souls and so the headline is good guy faithful man praise god

01:39:58.560 but then the footnote and you can't say the footnote without erasing the headline headline

01:40:03.540 john mccarthur good man um a footnote um yes john mccarthur garnered a lot of protestant

01:40:10.780 affection for israel to which bibi netanyahu who i believe is um a war criminal thanked him

01:40:19.440 personally that's i can't chalk that up as a w that's that's the guy who hates christ

01:40:25.620 guy who hates christ and is genociding um gaza right uh writes to you and says hey love your

01:40:33.980 work keep it up out there not great right not great so that is an l that is an l uh but that

01:40:39.480 does not mean that a man's entire ministry was a loss. I think that John MacArthur has done a lot

01:40:44.200 of good. So anyways, the fact that, you know, we only brought it up because of this super chat,

01:40:48.580 the fact that Grace Community Church, John MacArthur's church in Sun Valley, California,

01:40:52.400 is on the far list, that is true, and that should come as no surprise. All right, that's the show

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