00:05:52.900Aaron is the oldest, Chris is second oldest, and I am the middle child.
00:05:56.980So there's five older than me and five younger.
00:05:59.680and uh you know we grew up doing a lot of kind of the traditional political activism you stand in
00:06:05.800front of an abortion clinic hold the sign you know try to talk girls out of going inside you
00:06:11.560know we we lit dropped a lot of churches growing up about wicked things that were going on in our
00:06:16.780specific area you know trying to get them which i don't know if you know this but it's hard to get
00:06:21.600the church to actually take take a stand for anything and uh so this was just an extension
00:06:27.580of that was we just got older. And then these kinds of things happened. And after passing all
00:06:34.820of those pro-gun bills in Iowa, we basically discovered that we're actually really good at
00:06:39.540this. And because with this comes a lot of pressure, there comes a lot of hate from both
00:06:45.260sides of the aisle, from all the media. And we were able and have been able to withstand that
00:06:53.100pressure for a long time and we say you know what why don't we expand we'll go to another state we
00:06:58.200can pass gun laws there we can stop bad laws from being passed because you know groups like the NRA
00:07:04.300they've been weak they've been soft you know they helped pass a lot of the gun control bills early
00:07:09.400on especially and then in the not too distant past and so you know the the era of the NRA kind
00:07:15.760of dominating things has started to rapidly die off as people have woken up to the fact that
00:07:21.880They're not actually fighting for anything.
00:07:23.400So there was a huge call for people to stand up, fight back.
00:07:28.380Anybody had the actual spine to push against some of this legislation.
00:07:31.600And that's that's kind of how it morphed, I think, from Iowa to.
00:07:36.960Yeah. And we found out very early on that, you know, when you have organizations like the NRA that are hoovering up massive amounts of money out of Republican dominated states like Ohio or Indiana or Iowa.
00:07:49.800now. A lot of people just send in their money and they think, oh, these are the people that
00:07:54.280are fighting for me. But we found very early on that we can focus at the state level in these
00:08:00.180state legislatures and we can be devastatingly effective. And so that's why we started organizations
00:08:05.400like Ohio Gun Owners and Pennsylvania Firearms Association, a whole myriad of them, because
00:08:10.540nobody's paying attention to the states and there's vast amounts of rights for rock solid
00:08:16.800reformed christians just jump in there and mobilize the people and take them back well the
00:08:22.500left is concentrating on the state so you hop on hop on emily's list on facebook and you'll see
00:08:27.760them say things like the fight is at the state level here's where we can elect you know democrat0.99
00:08:33.620women here's where we can push all these different things they understand that well if we can't beat0.98
00:08:38.940trump in dc right now we can just you know run the the algorithm so to speak necessary to decide0.99
00:08:45.500which state to concentrate on and then we're going to the left is target focused on a lot of
00:08:51.300the same states we are focused on they're trying very hard to move it to the left your moms demand
00:08:56.960action all the far left uh socialist communist groups they're all doing the same thing we're
00:09:02.840doing except we're trying to push it all to the right so the left understands the right often does
00:09:09.000not understand that the fights and most of the laws that you live under are coming straight from
00:09:14.660your state legislature you know your your state representative is showing up at your local
00:09:19.280eggs and issues you know forum they're they're walking through your local parade they're coming
00:09:25.060to your county fair and you have a chance to really put the pressure on your state representative
00:09:30.780or your state senator um way more than you can you know in at the federal level the right
00:09:36.620understands principles the left understands power uh but i feel like the right has to understand
00:09:42.080both. I've said this before, but a lot of people online, the James Lindseys of the world, incurable
00:09:48.560libtards who ultimately, at the end of the day, hate the Lord Jesus Christ and should have never
00:09:54.680been partnered with, really just an indictment to the church. James Lindsay in 2020, he actually
00:09:59.440was one of the better guys. He really was. He has fallen far since then, but he was one of the
00:10:04.520better guys, but not really in hindsight, not because he was great, but because the church
00:10:08.680sucked um it was you know he looked you know like a giant uh by comparison but that's because the
00:10:13.860church was you know our all the pastors were marching with blm you know but exactly the point
00:10:18.640is uh james lindsey is you know fond of comparing you know politics and you know to like the lord
00:10:25.440of the rings and things like that you know he'll say like well uh you can't use the ring of power
00:10:29.760it needs to be you know it needs to be taken back to the fires of mordor and unmade but but it's so
00:10:35.420silly when you when you just stop for one second and think of the comparison they're comparing
00:10:38.900number one a fictional fantasy i appreciate talking as much as the next guy but it's a
00:10:43.620fantasy book it's it's a fictional book for kids and they're comparing uh the ring of power
00:10:49.020to the divinely instituted entity of the state right romans 13 uh the book of romans is not a
00:10:59.080fantasy. It's not a fictional story. The book of Romans is the God-breathed inerrant scripture.
00:11:05.520It's infallible. And God makes it very clear that the state was his idea, that there's going to be
00:11:10.900a civil magistrate. It's not whether but which, there's going to be a civil magistrate. And it
00:11:14.860is his duty to wield the sword. It is his duty to wield power. So the solution is not to abdicate
00:11:21.520power, because power is somehow inherently a vice. You know, James posted something recently
00:11:28.300where he said, is power a virtue or a vice?
00:11:30.580And I responded and said, it's neither a virtue or a vice.
00:11:33.280It's a vehicle to which you can promote virtue or vice.
00:26:00.960Well, the main thing is the mindset, first of all.
00:26:03.840Well, you can't, good intentions are great and having a desire is great, but it actually takes tangible things to be effective in politics.
00:26:12.080And we've passed constitutional carry in five states now, stand your ground law in four or five states, big gun bills.
00:26:21.020And none of that happened because we wanted it to happen.
00:26:23.560We had to spend real time and real money to develop great big lists of people.
00:26:28.700You need to have people to put pressure on the politicians.
00:26:31.520So whether that's direct mail, whether that's email, whether it's social media, you have to have large numbers of people to bring to bear to actually scare the politicians.
00:26:41.880And of course, lists mean you have to have money.
00:26:44.000You have to be able to raise money a little bit to to get those tools assembled to be effective in politics.
00:26:49.240And so it's it's important as you begin this to have the right mindset that you can't you can't wish it into happening.
00:26:56.040There are every state, every state capital has great activists.
00:27:00.460We know them in all the states we work in.
00:27:17.280They can't cause any pain in a general election.
00:27:19.840And so I think the main thing to have from the beginning is the mindset.
00:27:24.360And you have to have tangible tools to be effective.
00:27:27.480Lists, money, and people, a huge part of that.
00:27:29.080And one of the main things you have got to do is recognize that virtually every single politician you talk to is going to tell you, they're going to read you.
00:27:39.140They're going to read what you want, right?
00:27:40.960If you come walking up with eight kids, they're going to go, homeschool family, you know, and they're going to go, what does a homeschool family want?
00:27:46.120And so if you stand there and say, you know, we want you to do X, Y, and Z, that person is going to immediately tailor the thing that they're saying to you to the person they're speaking to.
00:27:57.380And so if they sense or if you tell them that you're a strong evangelical Christian, let's just say, then they're going to tell you about how much they love God and how much they enjoy going to church.
00:34:01.660We're involved in litigation right now in Illinois.
00:34:03.560So we have a lot of state chapters all across the country.
00:34:06.860I don't want to get away from that question too far,
00:34:08.580but I think it's also important for us to mention that I think people might fix it on the gun issue.
00:34:13.600We use guns as a means to inflict our Christian worldview on these states.
00:34:21.060If you're not a gun person, that's okay. Insert your issue here. We've used the gun issue because, A, we're all big gun people, but B, because it is one of the most wedge issues out there because it's not just Christians or conservatives who are pro-gun.
00:34:38.120you have union democrats who are pro-gun uh you have suburban soccer moms who in the mostly
00:34:44.120peaceful protest all of a sudden decided hey i'm pro-gun and we have used this issue primarily
00:34:49.960because it's it's it's a it's the best wedge issue we could find it's and tifa is pro-gun
00:34:56.440transgenders right yeah there's that too yeah guns is lethally politically speaking for the
00:35:01.760humor impaired, of course. Guns is lethally effective in Republican primaries. So that's1.00
00:35:08.120our bread and butter right there. That's when we do our best lobby work.
00:35:12.880So your issue is up to you, but also I mentioned too, it's the impact is far greater than just
00:35:18.860guns. We've used this issue to elect hundreds of Christians into office who actually know what
00:35:25.800they're there for. And from that, we've legalized our, I guess, deregulated homeschooling, for
00:35:30.540example, in some states, or we've defunded all of Planned Parenthood in certain states. We've
00:35:35.320got rid of horrible constitutional amendments in some states. And so the gun issue is the vehicle,
00:35:41.400but the benefits are far beyond just Second Amendment issue. And that was intentional when
00:35:45.980we got going in this a long time ago. Well, if you think about it, so you have, you have,
00:35:51.140you know, some blue haired lefty, you know, state rep or some, you know, transvestite,
00:35:56.420you know they're out there pushing for the total destruction of the nuclear family right you know0.66
00:36:01.680total annihilation of christian culture uh they want abortion up to and after there's death it's
00:36:06.760all death all the time sin death all the time so if that person can lose a seat because of guns
00:36:13.400or pro-life perhaps um then what you get out of that is you get a person out of office who is
00:36:20.600pro-death wants to destroy christian culture and all the other things that you care about
00:36:24.840when that person is gone so were the so was their ability to uh to you know force you know their
00:36:31.720their power structure on us so it's uh you know that might be a revelation to some people who
00:36:37.400are going to watch this this video but uh it was never about the guns it was never about the guns
00:36:42.900it was about god's law applies we don't like watching these people destroy our country and
00:36:48.820destroy the west we're sick and tired of christians being apathetic and sitting back
00:36:53.300and being nicer than jesus and uh and so we got into politics too they are the left is is inflicting
00:37:01.520their will upon us every single day you know they are doing the work of their father the devil
00:37:07.660you know they are liars and uh we are combating them in the same it's a it's a spiritual war
00:37:14.300combined into a total political war um and we've been very successful in a lot of places
00:37:21.240um and uh yeah yeah so when so when uh jim obergefell ran for the ohio house of representatives
00:37:29.080and a guy named dj swearingen the republican uh ran against him it was our royal pleasure
00:37:36.160to run gun as gun control ads against obergefell and deny him that level up that he was looking
00:37:43.640for to get into elected politics so very nice where can people follow you guys on social media
00:37:48.800you could follow us if you just search the door brothers on most on most channels you'll find us
00:37:56.800i don't know that we have a specific handle across all platforms but if you want to if you want to
00:38:02.240support the work we do go to american firearms association.org and then there is a you can
00:38:08.960either support the afa or there is a list a state affiliates list there with each one of the states
00:38:16.340that we are working in if you live in one of those states uh feel free to uh feel free to get
00:38:21.300involved nice um people names and money people lists and money i think is the three things that
00:38:28.780you guys have mentioned at this point uh more than once um saying that if you want to be successful
00:38:33.640in politics you need you need money you need people you need uh lists can you can you explain
00:38:39.780a little bit how um how to get those things and and what's significant about like how do you then
00:38:45.460what's significant about people money and lists and how's that how's that going to be used uh to
00:38:51.880get you know political will accomplished go for it well there's minutiae here but at the end of
00:38:57.720the day we get down in the trenches we're very active in the trenches in these states to pass
00:39:03.080or defeat legislation and so if we have a gun bill we're trying to work on in say missouri for
00:39:08.340example you need lots of people to contact that chairman and those committee members to say you
00:39:13.700move the bill forward. And so if I go and talk to all of them individually, I mean, they don't
00:39:18.040really care if I'm brand new in that state. I have about this much political power. But if we have
00:39:23.30020,000 people on an email list or 100,000 people on an email list, if our social media videos are
00:39:30.360viewed by a quarter million people in the state, well, all of a sudden, and we give out that
00:39:35.000lawmaker's cell phone number and we say, text these committee members and tell them to vote
00:39:39.760yes on this bill, now you've got power. And now it supersedes their version or their thoughts
00:39:45.740about me. And they have a real problem in their district. And so once you have some power like
00:39:50.360that, you can begin to inflict real change. And then from there, most of our messaging is geared
00:39:54.800to the district. And so when they get an email or a text or a phone call, it's coming from their
00:40:00.280constituent. It's not coming shotgun style. It's a sniper shot from their district. This has
00:40:05.420happened so much in ohio you had a case here chris a while back where you were he was in the capital
00:40:10.480in a committee fight and he calls me he's he's in the ground he's in the trenches i need a text
00:40:15.580campaign on this state rep i need to go in the next 10 minutes or else and so our whole team
00:40:20.600got a big team great team of folks we mobilize them and we drop 5 000 texts in this guy's district
00:40:26.960in about 10 minutes time yeah and he changed his voicemail to a pizza company trying to pretend
00:40:33.480And he wasn't the rep in question because that pressure was overwhelming.
00:40:37.800And so the money feeds the programs and it feeds the campaigns, digital, social media videos, emails and texts that result in that pressure, which a lot of times they find they can't resist it.
00:40:50.620And they have to take they have to vote the right way, not because they like us.
00:40:54.160Usually it's because they quite in fact hate us, but that's what that money and those tools allow us to do is to put that much pressure on a guy or gal to make them vote our way, even if they don't want to.
00:41:04.940Yeah. And I guess there's probably a practical side of this question.
00:41:08.340If I heard you correctly, there's probably a lot of people who are like, how do I go about getting the list?
00:41:13.640So every part of political engagement is an opportunity really to grow your list.
00:41:18.500So, for example, when we do it on the gun issue, we have a bill sponsored.
00:41:22.800well we're instantly uh we're going on facebook we're going on social media saying we've just
00:41:28.300introduced this bill sign your petition in support of it here so we're constantly trying to find
00:41:33.960people that that not just we don't want just numbers we want people who agree with us on our
00:41:39.440issue on those lists so that they are invested in this so you bring them in in that phase and you
00:41:44.820bring them all the way through the committee phase you post something on social media and
00:41:48.560you're asking it's like an email signup yeah email signups yeah you bet um and a lot of times we're
00:41:54.720we're gonna put money behind that to get it in front of more people we're targeting audiences
00:41:58.940kind of practical things like that like boosting the social media posts you bet okay yep to you
00:42:04.460know like look-alike audiences or people who um already like our page similar audiences to that
00:42:11.000people who follow the nra i mean there's all kinds of targeting metrics on the backside of social
00:42:15.520media. But that's that's like the practical way to start. I mean, if you're going to go back to
00:42:20.240a more local issue, you go to your local city council, you go to those those school board
00:42:25.620meetings and you sign around, you send around clipboards and have people sign up. A lot of
00:42:30.700this stuff, though, is the nitty gritty, not attractive work that has to be done in order to
00:42:38.820move the ball. But a big problem that you have in politics at any level is people are looking for
00:42:45.420the silver bullet they don't want to just they don't want to pass around the clipboard and go
00:42:49.720to the work of putting out emails to mobilize people and um but it's effective the left has
00:42:56.280always done these things uh to to tremendous effect so right so so i would i would just say
00:43:02.820the way we've gone about it is you know the organizations that we run are not-for-profits
00:43:09.440501c4 non-profits um and it's that's the vehicle with which and this is this is very common in
00:43:16.500politics it's what most everybody's using either a 501c4 or 501c3 or a pack of some kind um and so
00:43:24.400if you know depending on what people in the audience want to do um you can you know create
00:43:30.720a you know set up a 501c4 and uh you know that becomes then the vehicle that you work with
00:43:37.140give it a name right american firearms association minnesota gun rights something like that
00:43:41.260and uh you know you need you know a lot of people go and they they ask for some seed money you know
00:43:47.240maybe a church you know gives them uh the first check five thousand dollars perhaps you know you
00:43:52.240can use that then to start growing uh that list that we're talking about if there's a big issue
00:43:57.140that's happening in your state and uh you know that people are really fired up about it um you
00:44:04.600know after the the assassination of charlie kirk people are very much wanting to learn how to do
00:44:10.800more and get more involved and you can you can put petitions in front of them you can put email
00:44:16.600signups and say we are fighting on this issue if you'd like to support us or if you or let your
00:44:22.720representative know what you think about this by by signing here and that helps create your list
00:44:29.060again the left is doing it the right is doing it everybody's out there building less the government's
00:44:33.280doing it everybody's building a list right volunteers doing it with facial recognition
00:44:37.580to make sure that anti-semites are completely jailed and destroyed yeah go ahead yeah and uh
00:44:44.540and then you when you get those people on a list you ask them for money yeah you tell them like
00:44:49.160we're we're fighting for you you show them what we're doing you show them what we're doing uh
00:44:53.460right now in minnesota for example after what happened with denunciation uh school shooting
00:44:58.560and then of course the big catalyst here was the left trying to blame the right for charlie kirk
00:45:03.140so now they want gun control how did that work out for jimmy kimmel yeah not so good not so good
00:45:09.800and uh you know so gun owners in that particular state are extremely fired up and so we're doing
00:45:15.360our job of launching these ads of launching this mail these emails text message campaigns
00:45:22.200we're putting massive pressure on the legislature to stop a special session on gun control which is
00:45:28.060what Tim Walls is trying to do. And so you just ask the people on your list, please give us money
00:45:35.580to help pay for the ads that we're trying to run right now. More money equals more ads equals more
00:45:42.220pressure. And so you kind of got to, so I would say you need to start with a little bit of money
00:45:47.760in order to build a little list in order to be able to raise a bit more money to create a larger
00:45:53.280list and the bigger the more pressure you can put on rhinos depending if you live in a red state or
00:46:00.440you can put it on you know far left democrats and you can pressure them to stop bills uh or or
00:46:06.780advance legislation right and if people have more specific questions uh feel free to feel free to
00:46:12.540contact us for sure and we're you know especially if you're if you're a church if you're uh if you're
00:46:18.300reformed christians like us um or or even if you're slightly off that's all right too um feel
00:46:25.460free to reach out to us we're happy to to communicate and give more specifics because of
00:46:29.960course you know we work in red states like missouri and ohio these are deep red states we work in
00:46:36.020purple states like pennsylvania like pennsylvania wisconsin michigan these are purple states we
00:46:41.900work in blue states like illinois new york and each each strategy is is different right if you
00:46:49.040if you live in a if you live in a state that is totally dominated excuse me by the republican
00:46:54.300party you're not going to sit there and go the democrats are doing a bad job they don't control
00:46:59.240any of the power you have to go after the republicans who are not outlawing abortion
00:47:05.340who are not passing the pro-gun bills who are not doing their duty and all the things they promised
00:47:10.580during the election cycles they're not doing that so you need to go after them because they will
00:47:15.500still sit there and go the democrats are the problem they're the ones causing all the issues
00:47:20.180it's all ilhan omar it's like she's not even from your state you guys are the ones with super
00:47:24.420majorities pass the bill so there's definitely different strategies depending on where you live
00:47:29.580and uh we'd be happy to you know discuss that further as well good uh let me ask a question
00:47:35.020so i big gun supporter i used to have dozens of guns but i lost them in a boating accident
00:47:39.960recently but yeah go find them you're gonna it's rough but um that said i'm curious you guys being
00:47:48.480you know major gun advocates which i support wholeheartedly um what do you think about
00:47:53.480transgenders having guns i'm curious like just like your your biblical because i can understand
00:48:01.280like i'm not trying to trap you i can understand if it's like uh no it's it's a constitutional
00:48:06.380right if they're a citizen they can have a gun but the moment they use it illegally then it needs
00:48:11.000to be the death penalty that might be your answer because honestly like that could be the answer the
00:48:14.840answer could be that uh anybody commits murder right whether they're a transgender or not uh
00:48:20.900but you start just you just start nationally publicizing um hangings make hangings great
00:48:26.700again praise god right you know and so it could be that simple to where even the transgender is
00:48:30.940like well i'm uh i am retarded and uh chemically biologically engineered to kill christian children
00:48:38.540in school um through through literally biochemical engineering to be a ticking time bomb to kill
00:48:45.200christian kids and even despite all that i just saw three people on tv hung this week
00:48:51.200and so uh i'm not gonna do that might be your answer uh and and that's fine it is i'm just
00:48:56.280My answer is no, they can't have guns.
00:48:58.740Maybe we have three different answers here,0.98
00:49:00.920but I always say that abortion is wrong
00:49:03.760because it's an assault and it's an attack on the image of God.
00:49:08.080I would say that somebody who's a transvestite
00:51:27.700And to give them a firearm and to pretend that we're all equal, that this is some kind of a big beta democracy, is what's led to all these people being shot in these churches.
00:51:37.020And so a lot of the beta organizations right now, gun rights groups, are out there saying what Ben said.
00:51:43.220well they absolutely national groups oh we'll defend your right to have these guns we're not
00:51:48.160we're not stupid and we're not this is not a democracy we have a republic for a reason
00:51:52.980and this is that this is getting people killed and i'd also add that we have and i'd be careful
00:51:58.340how i phrase this but there are contacts really high up in the government right now who are asking
00:52:03.900for input input from organizations like ours on what should the president do what can the president
00:52:10.820do because even even people who are not necessarily christian can see this is killing us and so
00:52:18.780there's a lot of discussion happening right now uh at the federal level what can be done
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01:15:52.000He said, what do you think about organizing using a private membership association with local Christians
01:15:58.780to take over a school board or a village council, city council, and move on to other towns in my county?
01:16:07.100So what do you think about small organization, private membership, association with local Christians, take over a school board, and maybe a city council, and then moving over and kind of town by town to try to take the whole county?
01:16:34.580you don't need as much money perhaps not as many people but if you're going to run to be you know
01:16:40.000on the town council well there's going to be people in in your ward or people um in your city
01:16:46.500who hate you for it i've known a bunch of people who got into the city council weren't able to do
01:16:51.960anything very effective and the moment there was a re-election campaign they had no lists of people
01:16:57.900that locals neighbors who supported them who they had articulated their positions to they had no
01:17:03.660money for the reelection campaign and they yeah they didn't have uh people to turn out and and
01:17:10.480to stand up for them to stand up for them on social media to go out and vote for them so
01:17:15.200you need the list you need the money you need the people if you're going to try to one man band
01:17:19.580politics even uh little politics like a like a city council versus a state representative versus
01:17:25.080a congressional campaign you need to have um and and and again on a small thing like that
01:17:30.820It could just be, you know, maybe you're a part of one of the bigger churches in the area, but you have to make sure those people are stepping out of those four walls and actually getting involved in what's going on in their own community.
01:17:41.720And I think if there's anything we've erred on during this whole conversation is that we've talked about list, money and people in the context of the political application in trying to accomplish policy or pressure a politician.
01:17:54.660But it is also very effective to be used during the election season.
01:17:59.460So we bring all of that to bear to protect our good guys and to punish the bad guys, whether it's a Republican primary or general election.
01:18:07.880but the lists and money and people are very much a political thing and a election season thing so
01:18:15.400and they and they work for both there's so much more we could say anything for you i would just
01:18:19.900tell striker yeah your church is the is the natural place to begin but honestly these days
01:18:24.240uh more and more of our supporters are our folks who have they haven't walked away from the church
01:18:29.740but they're fed up with the pious crap they've got for decades in some cases in their church
01:18:34.120and a lot of our best supporters these days are folks who are either looking for a new church
01:18:39.080or they're not sure where to find a decent church.
01:18:41.120And sometimes these folks who I think sometimes Christians are willing to kind of look down on
01:18:44.760because they're not quite from the same cloth that we are, these people are fantastic.
01:19:06.220Part of the reason our ministry has grown significantly just in the last few months is because I pretty much had an epiphany about six months to a year ago where I realized, yeah, I'm reformed and I'm always going to be reformed.
01:19:20.120The reformed tradition is my home, but the reformed ghetto is not.