The NXR Podcast - THE LIVESTREAM - Channeling Charlie Kirk’s Death Toward Political Action

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00:00:30 All right, we are live. It is Friday, and today we have three special guests who are going to be

00:00:36 in the studio with us on this live broadcast. We have Ben, Chris, and Aaron Doerr, the Doerr

00:00:44 brothers, as they are probably most known. They've been very active in local politics and state

00:00:50 politics for decades at this point. They've received death threats. They've received political

00:00:56 violence as they've sought to try to remain and contain some semblance of the America that we

00:01:04 used to know and love that we have rapidly lost over the years. So they're going to be in the

00:01:09 studio with us today. We're going to be talking about their story, some of their testimony as

00:01:14 they have been faithful Christians in politics, fighting the good fight for decades now. And then

00:01:20 in addition to that, in our second segment, we're going to be questioning and interviewing, asking

00:01:25 particular questions, practical questions about how Christian men who want to make a difference

00:01:30 in the realm of local and state politics can do so effectively. And then in our final third segment,

00:01:36 we're going to be taking questions from you. So if you're watching this broadcast live and you

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00:02:04 question in a super chat and we will deal with that at the top of the third segment. So this is

00:02:10 the episode dealing with local politics, how to crush our enemies, not mercy, but crush them with

00:02:16 justice and to do so just for YouTube and everybody who says to do so politically. When I say crush

00:02:23 our enemies. I am speaking of politically crushing our enemies in a way that is legal and most

00:02:28 importantly, a way that is biblical and that brings glory to God. And it also defends the

00:02:34 innocent. Remember, you cannot properly, biblically love without hating anything and everything that

00:02:42 threatens that which you love. If you love sheep, you must hate wolves. You cannot be nice to wolves

00:02:49 without hating sheep, right? 1.00

00:02:52 The lost virtue of Christian hatred.

00:02:54 David says in the Psalms, 0.74

00:02:56 do I not hate those who hate you?

00:02:58 Yes, I hate them with a perfect hatred, all right? 0.81

00:03:02 So we're gonna be talking about crushing, 0.97

00:03:04 not being nice, but crushing our enemies.

00:03:07 Disclaimer, politically, how to do this

00:03:10 practically, locally, and effectively.

00:03:12 That's the episode, tune in now.

00:03:19 All right. All right. So we are back for practical technical reasons. We did not have

00:03:29 enough seats, nor did we have enough microphones for Wesley Todd to be able to join us in this

00:03:34 discussion. But we're going to be meeting up with him later tonight and some of the men of our local

00:03:39 church. If you're looking for a good church in Central Texas, you can check us out. Covenant

00:03:43 covenantbible.org covenantbible.org we're north of austin and our church is politically active

00:03:50 and so tonight we're going to be meeting with all the men in our church the door brothers are going

00:03:54 to be there they're going to be doing a presentation and q a and all those kinds of

00:03:57 things and so wes we've sent him ahead as our ambassador to prepare the way for that meeting

00:04:02 in person with men tonight but for now i'm going to be the host and we have ben chris and aaron

00:04:09 door and let's start with this can you guys just introduce yourselves but more importantly feel

00:04:14 free to take this whole first segment gives you about 20 to 30 minutes i just i want to hear your

00:04:19 testimony i want to hear your story what you've done in politics the threats along the way

00:04:23 why it matters the victories that the lord and his sovereignty has granted to you tell us the story

00:04:29 yeah i'll cover the origin story we got going in politics especially with gun politics in iowa

00:04:34 raising a Christian home, very politically active. And we were looking for a way to get more involved

00:04:40 in state politics, have a bigger impact. And our county sheriff at the time simply said,

00:04:45 I don't like your politics. I don't like your last name. And so I'm not going to give you a

00:04:49 permit. And he literally had that discretion. I walked out of the office. I called Chris

00:04:54 and I was seething. And I was like, I'm not sure how we're going to change the law here in Iowa.

00:04:59 And looking back now, God certainly ordained that sheriff to be a tyrant. And I don't think

00:05:04 He had any idea what he was going to set forward.

00:05:07 The monster he would create. 0.67

00:05:08 Yeah, and from there, we launched our first gun rights organization in Iowa, 0.74

00:05:13 and we had Democrat-controlled everything, Governor's Mansion, House, Senate.

00:05:18 We had Republicans sponsoring gun control bills,

00:05:21 and we spent the last 18, 19 years now with that organization reshaping the entire state.

00:05:28 And we used the Second Amendment issue and the power that that had at election time

00:05:32 to not only pass all the gun bills we ever wanted to get past in Iowa,

00:05:37 but to totally reshape the trajectory of Iowa.

00:05:40 Wow.

00:05:41 And we started way before that.

00:05:42 I mean, we're from a big, I mean, big in terms of numbers.

00:05:46 There's 11 of us. 0.98

00:05:48 Door kids. 0.72

00:05:49 The door family.

00:05:50 There's 11 door kids?

00:05:51 11 door kids.

00:05:52 Wow.

00:05:52 One door sibling.

00:05:52 Aaron is the oldest, Chris is second oldest, and I am the middle child.

00:05:56 So there's five older than me and five younger.

00:05:59 and uh you know we grew up doing a lot of kind of the traditional political activism you stand in

00:06:05 front of an abortion clinic hold the sign you know try to talk girls out of going inside you

00:06:11 know we we lit dropped a lot of churches growing up about wicked things that were going on in our

00:06:16 specific area you know trying to get them which i don't know if you know this but it's hard to get

00:06:21 the church to actually take take a stand for anything and uh so this was just an extension

00:06:27 of that was we just got older. And then these kinds of things happened. And after passing all

00:06:34 of those pro-gun bills in Iowa, we basically discovered that we're actually really good at

00:06:39 this. And because with this comes a lot of pressure, there comes a lot of hate from both

00:06:45 sides of the aisle, from all the media. And we were able and have been able to withstand that

00:06:53 pressure for a long time and we say you know what why don't we expand we'll go to another state we

00:06:58 can pass gun laws there we can stop bad laws from being passed because you know groups like the NRA

00:07:04 they've been weak they've been soft you know they helped pass a lot of the gun control bills early

00:07:09 on especially and then in the not too distant past and so you know the the era of the NRA kind

00:07:15 of dominating things has started to rapidly die off as people have woken up to the fact that

00:07:21 They're not actually fighting for anything.

00:07:23 So there was a huge call for people to stand up, fight back.

00:07:28 Anybody had the actual spine to push against some of this legislation.

00:07:31 And that's that's kind of how it morphed, I think, from Iowa to.

00:07:36 Yeah. And we found out very early on that, you know, when you have organizations like the NRA that are hoovering up massive amounts of money out of Republican dominated states like Ohio or Indiana or Iowa.

00:07:49 now. A lot of people just send in their money and they think, oh, these are the people that

00:07:54 are fighting for me. But we found very early on that we can focus at the state level in these

00:08:00 state legislatures and we can be devastatingly effective. And so that's why we started organizations

00:08:05 like Ohio Gun Owners and Pennsylvania Firearms Association, a whole myriad of them, because

00:08:10 nobody's paying attention to the states and there's vast amounts of rights for rock solid

00:08:16 reformed christians just jump in there and mobilize the people and take them back well the

00:08:22 left is concentrating on the state so you hop on hop on emily's list on facebook and you'll see

00:08:27 them say things like the fight is at the state level here's where we can elect you know democrat 0.99

00:08:33 women here's where we can push all these different things they understand that well if we can't beat 0.98

00:08:38 trump in dc right now we can just you know run the the algorithm so to speak necessary to decide 0.99

00:08:45 which state to concentrate on and then we're going to the left is target focused on a lot of

00:08:51 the same states we are focused on they're trying very hard to move it to the left your moms demand

00:08:56 action all the far left uh socialist communist groups they're all doing the same thing we're

00:09:02 doing except we're trying to push it all to the right so the left understands the right often does

00:09:09 not understand that the fights and most of the laws that you live under are coming straight from

00:09:14 your state legislature you know your your state representative is showing up at your local

00:09:19 eggs and issues you know forum they're they're walking through your local parade they're coming

00:09:25 to your county fair and you have a chance to really put the pressure on your state representative

00:09:30 or your state senator um way more than you can you know in at the federal level the right

00:09:36 understands principles the left understands power uh but i feel like the right has to understand

00:09:42 both. I've said this before, but a lot of people online, the James Lindseys of the world, incurable

00:09:48 libtards who ultimately, at the end of the day, hate the Lord Jesus Christ and should have never 1.00

00:09:54 been partnered with, really just an indictment to the church. James Lindsay in 2020, he actually 0.99

00:09:59 was one of the better guys. He really was. He has fallen far since then, but he was one of the

00:10:04 better guys, but not really in hindsight, not because he was great, but because the church

00:10:08 sucked um it was you know he looked you know like a giant uh by comparison but that's because the 0.53

00:10:13 church was you know our all the pastors were marching with blm you know but exactly the point

00:10:18 is uh james lindsey is you know fond of comparing you know politics and you know to like the lord

00:10:25 of the rings and things like that you know he'll say like well uh you can't use the ring of power

00:10:29 it needs to be you know it needs to be taken back to the fires of mordor and unmade but but it's so

00:10:35 silly when you when you just stop for one second and think of the comparison they're comparing

00:10:38 number one a fictional fantasy i appreciate talking as much as the next guy but it's a 0.84

00:10:43 fantasy book it's it's a fictional book for kids and they're comparing uh the ring of power

00:10:49 to the divinely instituted entity of the state right romans 13 uh the book of romans is not a

00:10:59 fantasy. It's not a fictional story. The book of Romans is the God-breathed inerrant scripture.

00:11:05 It's infallible. And God makes it very clear that the state was his idea, that there's going to be

00:11:10 a civil magistrate. It's not whether but which, there's going to be a civil magistrate. And it

00:11:14 is his duty to wield the sword. It is his duty to wield power. So the solution is not to abdicate

00:11:21 power, because power is somehow inherently a vice. You know, James posted something recently

00:11:28 where he said, is power a virtue or a vice?

00:11:30 And I responded and said, it's neither a virtue or a vice.

00:11:33 It's a vehicle to which you can promote virtue or vice.

00:11:38 So power is inescapable.

00:11:40 There is no vacuum.

00:11:41 We don't live in a hypothetical.

00:11:42 We live in a real world that God actually made.

00:11:44 There is a natural hierarchy that exists,

00:11:47 whether we think it's icky or not,

00:11:48 there's going to be a hierarchy.

00:11:50 And within that hierarchy,

00:11:51 there will be people who wield power.

00:11:54 And so ultimately, the impetus for Christians is not to advocate power, but that power should 0.58

00:12:01 be wielded righteously. It needs to be wielded righteous. So yes, we want to keep our principles

00:12:06 on the right, but we need to have principles and power as a vehicle for promoting these virtuous

00:12:13 principles. And for too long, the right has been beautiful losers, principled losers, 0.97

00:12:19 right because we think power is icky and uh and we have to stop doing that one of the biggest 0.92

00:12:25 mistakes that we've seen a lot from i think in this camp besides your point that somebody has

00:12:28 to someone's going to wield power there's too many times the christians are convinced that

00:12:32 we cannot move forward till everybody agrees right there's a consensus amongst every single 0.96

00:12:38 crazy left-wing lunatic on this committee or in this state house or the state senate and half of

00:12:44 our job is to remind even some of the our friendlies like you have the reins let's drive 0.89

00:12:49 let's go and like you said Ben we live most especially underneath the laws of our state

00:12:54 and so that's half the battle sometimes is to remind these these people that you have the power

00:13:00 given to you by God and we don't have to convince every crazy person out there that what's right

00:13:05 and wrong we're going to move forward we're going to get this done also I would I would add to that

00:13:09 that anybody who phrases political power as essentially the ring of power, like if you

00:13:15 touch it, you're going to be corrupted. It also shows that they've never been in the political

00:13:20 arena because it kind of elevates the politicians and the political class and these caucus leaders

00:13:26 as some kind of political geniuses or super gods. But when you get up close to these people,

00:13:32 a lot of them are actually idiots who have ascended through the ranks, or maybe they have 1.00

00:13:37 a couple of skills here and there, or maybe they had the right funding access. But these people are 1.00

00:13:42 not superhuman. They're not super smart. They just control the levers of power, right? There's

00:13:47 usually, there's usually a handful of smart people in any sort of caucus and a whole bunch of 1.00

00:13:52 actually low IQ lemmings who are doing whatever it is that leadership tells them to do. So when 1.00

00:13:59 Aaron's talking about, you know, everybody looks for consensus. We operate from the standpoint of

00:14:05 we don't actually care if you agree with us or not as long as you push the right button and you

00:14:11 might not want to push the right button right you might hate us viscerally which which is often the

00:14:17 case which is which is often the case but if we had a dollar for every legislator who pushed the

00:14:22 button that we told them to push um even though they hated us viscerally um yeah we'd be we'd be

00:14:29 wealthy because it happens all the time it's political pressure so a couple of people agree

00:14:34 with us in the legislature most people don't want to vote our direction on a lot of stuff

00:14:38 but when you apply pressure properly um they don't have a choice they don't have a choice it's either

00:14:44 that or they might lose their seats it's either that or they're going to lose their primary coming

00:14:48 up in you know two years or four years so um we people always say we got to change the hearts and

00:14:54 minds of the legislature no no oftentimes you just have to force them to do something they don't want

00:14:59 to do we've never walked into a state capital a pocket constitution trying to teach somebody about

00:15:04 the second amendment right it's just very simple you're going to vote this way or you're going to

00:15:08 get a primary or you're going to get a general election opponent and we're going to spend real

00:15:12 money using real tools in your race and you're going to and you have a good chance of losing

00:15:16 your seat never really tried to convince i mean teaching people about what the bill does is one

00:15:21 thing but yeah we're not trying to save their soul they're elected their soul is not necessarily

00:15:26 are concerned vote the right way that's the main pastors that's the main deal yeah no that's great

00:15:31 that's really really important um yeah a lot of times uh well i've been talking about this within

00:15:37 the larger scope of christian nationalism and there's some guys are like yeah okay christian

00:15:41 nationalism i guess that you know that might be biblically permissible maybe still don't really

00:15:46 like it sounds icky but maybe it's permissible but but but but the only way we could ever have

00:15:51 Christian nationalism is if God first sends a spiritual revival and we have 50% of the country

00:15:57 plus one that's born again and genuinely regenerate. Whereas, you know, I respond to that 0.70

00:16:04 and say, look, in my duties as a husband and a father and as a pastor, and even just as an

00:16:10 individual Christian man and seeking to do the work of an evangelist and fulfilling the Great

00:16:14 Commission and all those various occupations, I am praying towards and working towards on a daily

00:16:19 basis a spiritual revival. Politically speaking, a spiritual revival is not a prerequisite

00:16:25 for exercising just righteous political power. We actually don't need to have, it's not a requirement

00:16:32 to have half of the country saved, you know, or over half the country saved in a true eternal

00:16:37 sense before we can have righteous policies. And I think of, you know, biblically speaking,

00:16:42 the old covenant and various times within Israel's history that you would have kings

00:16:46 and you know like a Josiah would come into the kingship and you're you know you're coming on

00:16:51 the heels of two or three you know bad kings two or three generations of wicked laws wicked rules

00:16:57 idolatry the Asherah poles the high places ball you know all these different things and the majority

00:17:03 of the people of Israel at the time were adulterous and there would even be prophets that God would 0.83

00:17:07 send to speak to Israel and describe them as an adulterous people not just saying there's two or

00:17:13 three of you that are adulterous. No, saying on the whole, right, there were probably some righteous

00:17:17 people, but on the whole, in a general sense, the majority of Israel, in terms of their hearts,

00:17:22 spiritually speaking, the spiritual reality of the majority of Israel at that given moment

00:17:26 was not faithful, but rather faithless. Not righteous, but adulterous. And nonetheless,

00:17:33 God would raise up a king, and also in the book of Judges, raise up a judge or whatever it is,

00:17:38 some kind of political leader. There would be a political leader, and he would come in, and he

00:17:43 would say, you know what? Your hearts aren't changed yet. That's totally fine. We're going

00:17:48 to grind the idols into dust anyways. And the people's hearts eventually would follow, right?

00:17:53 So we always talk about, as Christians, especially within the Reformed tradition, we always talk

00:17:58 about the reality, and it is a biblical reality, that God changes people's hearts, and then our

00:18:03 actions and our speech and behaviors are an outflow of what God has done inwardly, right? So the

00:18:08 outward behavior ultimately stems from an inward transformation. That's absolutely true. But there's

00:18:14 also something to be said for the inward being shaped by the outward. There are so many cases

00:18:21 that I've dealt with pastorally where a husband and wife are struggling in the relationship. There's

00:18:26 turmoil. There's hostility in the marriage and the intimacy and love for one another has just

00:18:31 grown cold, and so you're sitting there, you're counseling them, and yes, you're preaching the

00:18:36 gospel, you're preaching to the heart, but in addition to that, you also give practical counsel

00:18:41 and say, hey, I am asking you as your pastor, I'm commending to you, counseling you, that as we are

00:18:50 praying and seeking the Lord to do an inward work of the heart, that in the meantime, that we don't

00:18:56 just sit back on our haunches, but we are diligent and getting busy in our actions before the heart

00:19:01 change comes. So here are some practical actions of love that I want to see you begin regularly

00:19:09 implementing in your marriage to one another. You know, date night, husband, once a week on

00:19:16 Fridays, coming home with flowers, turn off the cell phone in the evening and actually look at

00:19:22 each other and be able to have a conversation and do this and do that. And lo and behold, right?

00:19:27 And people are like, I can't believe this made a difference. Lo and behold, you start performing

00:19:31 the actions of love and you will eventually start feeling the feelings, the emotions of love.

00:19:37 The heart, like an engine, it fuels the hands, the feet, the mouth, your behaviors and your

00:19:47 speech. So the heart, like an engine, can fuel certain actions and speech. But likewise, certain

00:19:54 actions and speech and those habits and patterns can ultimately change the heart, right? Even

00:20:00 somebody who is an alcoholic and they're like, I love to be drunk. I love it. Well, after a certain

00:20:06 period, at first it's really hard. They're forcing themselves to do in their behaviors something that

00:20:12 they don't actually want in terms of their desires. But after so many days go by and the

00:20:19 days turn to weeks and the weeks turn to months, eventually it actually gets to a place where it's

00:20:24 like, no, I actually don't want this. And in that sense, I actually profoundly disagree with

00:20:29 organizations like AA. I think there's some good practical advice, but the basic premise I disagree

00:20:33 with, I don't believe that, I don't believe the premise that a person, that their heart,

00:20:41 that their nature and disposition can never be changed by God, that the God of alcohol is more

00:20:46 powerful than the Lord Jesus Christ. I actually don't think that somebody who has not touched a

00:20:51 drop of alcohol for 20 years should still be publicly saying, my name is so-and-so, and I'm

00:20:56 an alcoholic. I worship the God of alcohol. No, you're a born-again Christian. You haven't touched

00:21:01 it for 20 years, the power of sin. Not just that the penalty's been paid, but Jesus also broke the

00:21:06 power of sin and you're free and it's your actions over this long period of time that actually led

00:21:12 towards a heart change so my point is just to say it's not a one-way stream it's a two-way street

00:21:17 god changes the heart and it changes the actions of the people but also god can appoint leaders

00:21:22 political leaders like kings and princes and they can change by law by dictate the actions of the

00:21:28 people that eventually start to shape the heart it's it works both ways well we we've seen this

00:21:34 in reverse right so when when roe v wade uh was enacted shall we say i guess it was not enacted

00:21:40 when the when the supreme court of roe v wade 90 what were the statistics 95 percent of americans

00:21:46 did not agree with abortion being legal right it was political power that got it passed and then

00:21:52 over time people go oh no this is this is much more acceptable we saw the same thing with a marriage

00:21:59 with Obergefell uh all of a sudden no this should this should not be the law this should not be

00:22:05 legal and now it's oh actually like this is this is pretty normal this is pretty normal you know

00:22:10 it's interesting i i uh just on the flight here there was a guy in front of me to go through the

00:22:16 uh to go through the tsa scanners and uh they pulled his bag out it's not gay if it's tsa 0.58

00:22:23 that's right and i turned to him and i said oh great now now's the time to get to invade your 0.70

00:22:28 privacy and dig through all your stuff you know best part of the day huh i'm kind of like just

00:22:33 trying to connect with this guy he kind of looks over at me and he goes it is what it is you know

00:22:39 and i thought to myself who when tsa first started rifling through all of your stuff

00:22:44 who went it is what it is probably not many people but we just accept it over time right and that's

00:22:51 what's happened the left has done this to us over and over and the right refuses to acknowledge that

00:22:56 that's what's happened you know but if we overturn a lot of these things if we stop a lot if we push

00:23:01 these people back into the closet the culture will respond in kind right yep uh culture politics is

00:23:09 downstream of culture and also culture is downstream of politics yes it's both so let's go to our first

00:23:15 commercial break and then we're going to come back and i want you guys just to um as best you can give

00:23:19 us a few practical tools on how guys can get involved locally in politics and make change you

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00:25:50 Let's go ahead and talk about some of the practical tools,

00:25:53 practical actions that guys, Christian men can do locally

00:25:57 to be effective in politics.

00:25:59 Go for it, Aaron.

00:26:00 Well, the main thing is the mindset, first of all.

00:26:03 Well, you can't, good intentions are great and having a desire is great, but it actually takes tangible things to be effective in politics.

00:26:12 And we've passed constitutional carry in five states now, stand your ground law in four or five states, big gun bills.

00:26:21 And none of that happened because we wanted it to happen.

00:26:23 We had to spend real time and real money to develop great big lists of people.

00:26:28 You need to have people to put pressure on the politicians.

00:26:31 So whether that's direct mail, whether that's email, whether it's social media, you have to have large numbers of people to bring to bear to actually scare the politicians.

00:26:41 And of course, lists mean you have to have money.

00:26:44 You have to be able to raise money a little bit to to get those tools assembled to be effective in politics.

00:26:49 And so it's it's important as you begin this to have the right mindset that you can't you can't wish it into happening.

00:26:56 There are every state, every state capital has great activists.

00:27:00 We know them in all the states we work in.

00:27:02 They're good people.

00:27:03 They're godly people.

00:27:04 They have a big heart for the Lord.

00:27:06 They have no respect because nobody is afraid of them in the state capitol.

00:27:11 And again, to your point, not physically, but no one's afraid of them politically.

00:27:14 They can't hurt anybody in a primary.

00:27:17 They can't cause any pain in a general election.

00:27:19 And so I think the main thing to have from the beginning is the mindset.

00:27:24 And you have to have tangible tools to be effective.

00:27:27 Lists, money, and people, a huge part of that.

00:27:29 And one of the main things you have got to do is recognize that virtually every single politician you talk to is going to tell you, they're going to read you.

00:27:39 They're going to read what you want, right?

00:27:40 If you come walking up with eight kids, they're going to go, homeschool family, you know, and they're going to go, what does a homeschool family want?

00:27:46 And so if you stand there and say, you know, we want you to do X, Y, and Z, that person is going to immediately tailor the thing that they're saying to you to the person they're speaking to.

00:27:57 And so if they sense or if you tell them that you're a strong evangelical Christian, let's just say, then they're going to tell you about how much they love God and how much they enjoy going to church.

00:28:08 They'll pray with you.

00:28:09 And they'll try to get you off of their back that way.

00:28:13 But no, let's just say you don't just buy it, right? 0.88

00:28:17 You say, well, I hear you saying you're a Christian, but you need to really hold the line on this thing.

00:28:24 most every christian eventually caves to the brother would you pray with me would you it's

00:28:32 it's it's so tough up here you wouldn't even believe i need i need god's help and i would

00:28:37 you come into my prayer closet with me and and pray over me um christians virtually never are

00:28:44 able to see past that because we as christians would not fake that kind of thing right you would

00:28:49 never you would never pretend to want someone to pray for you um we would never do and so people

00:28:54 assume my good nature equals their good nature and you have to realize that most politicians are

00:29:02 not good natured they're reading you and you need to be able to look past even that and go hey look

00:29:08 i will pray for you also you must not vote for this bill if you do i'm going to make sure all

00:29:17 of my friends my family my church know about this there is no scenario where you vote for this piece

00:29:24 of abortion funding or you vote for this thing over here where you get off scot-free just because

00:29:29 you're telling us that you're a christian and most 99 i would say 999 out of a thousand christians

00:29:37 are not capable of seeing when their legislator is is is kind of blowing smoke so to speak and so

00:29:44 going back to aaron's you know conversation here about about mindset you have to get real these

00:29:50 you want them to do something for you or rather you want them to do the right thing and you have

00:29:55 to recognize that there's 50 other lobbyists an entire caucus structure all the money all the

00:30:02 things they're all lined up behind them saying no no you are going to vote for this and so you have

00:30:08 to recognize that you're fighting against all of that pressure and uh and you know going back to

00:30:14 what we're talking about here the list money and people you have to build out infrastructure

00:30:18 to put pressure on them yourself um but you've got to be able to look through the smoke screen

00:30:24 that is uh fake um uh yeah fake piety yeah you can we can just like use a use one of our states

00:30:34 as an example here when we first started ohio gun owners in 2016 i moved my family out there

00:30:41 to start this organization. All it was was $25, a couple of us in a bad attitude. And we wanted to

00:30:47 pass constitutional carry, the idea that you don't have to beg for a government license to carry a

00:30:52 firearm to defend yourself or your family. And we moved there. We started this organization

00:30:57 literally from nothing. And we started doing large amounts of direct mail into the state.

00:31:03 We recruited a bill sponsor, a very good Christian man. He's now passed on to the Lord about three

00:31:09 months ago. His name was Ron Hood. And he agreed to sponsor the bill for us. And he's one of those

00:31:15 principled guys in the legislature that knew where we wanted to go, but he was willing to take the

00:31:21 arrows in the meantime, because there's the other groups out there, NRA, the Buckeyes Firearms

00:31:25 Association, these in-state organizations were like, sounds great. It's never going to happen

00:31:30 here. We have a rhino establishment. But he was willing to jump up and say, I will sponsor the 1.00

00:31:36 bill if you guys will partner with me and start developing lists, money, and people. So we started

00:31:43 Ohio Gun Owners. We started doing direct mail. We started doing online petitioning. We started

00:31:48 lobbying the legislature. And you fast forward a couple of years and kind of like we were talking

00:31:55 earlier about how the left used Roe v. Wade to kind of create this inevitability by staying at

00:32:01 by being consistent, by not looking for the easy, quick win,

00:32:04 by doing the hard work of developing those lists, money, and people

00:32:08 that sometimes takes years.

00:32:10 We created this sense of inevitability,

00:32:13 combine that with the political environment

00:32:15 of getting it passed across the line of other states.

00:32:19 And, you know, in the year that there was a huge mass shooting

00:32:24 in Dayton, Ohio, when we had a governor of Ohio at the time,

00:32:29 his name was Mike DeWine, he's still the governor now,

00:32:31 Now, when he came out and said, we're going to pass some gun control in response to this,

00:32:35 we had created such a tidal wave of using that list and money and people of political pressure around gun rights

00:32:43 that he not only didn't get his gun control passed, but we rammed constitutional carry and stand your ground right down his throat.

00:32:51 He signed him.

00:32:52 He signed him into law and he had no clue.

00:32:55 It was a 16 point gun was a 16 point gun control bill.

00:32:58 you want to pass yeah he signed constitutional carry on standard yeah he had no idea that these 0.77

00:33:03 reformed theonomic post-millennial christians were the ramrods behind it that have mobilized 0.93

00:33:09 an army all across the state and that's just one example that's one state um but it's that's what 0.99

00:33:15 it is it's lists money and people and another thing we got to get rid of in the christian

00:33:19 you know on the christian side of politics is they sit there and they think that money in

00:33:24 politics is dirty well if you don't have resources in politics you're you're dead you're totally dead

00:33:30 um so yeah it kind of boils down to the main on that note we've already had a few people in the

00:33:35 chat and so now i think as good as time as any uh some of the people have asked how can they support

00:33:41 what you're doing that kind of depends on where they live doesn't it yeah we have 18 different

00:33:46 state organizations operational right now in the second amendment space so i guess you have to go

00:33:51 or maybe go to the national website, American Firearms Association,

00:33:54 and find a state affiliate there, and there's all kinds of affiliates.

00:33:58 I saw someone in the chat mention Illinois.

00:34:00 We're very active in Illinois.

00:34:01 We're involved in litigation right now in Illinois.

00:34:03 So we have a lot of state chapters all across the country.

00:34:06 I don't want to get away from that question too far,

00:34:08 but I think it's also important for us to mention that I think people might fix it on the gun issue.

00:34:13 We use guns as a means to inflict our Christian worldview on these states.

00:34:21 If you're not a gun person, that's okay. Insert your issue here. We've used the gun issue because, A, we're all big gun people, but B, because it is one of the most wedge issues out there because it's not just Christians or conservatives who are pro-gun.

00:34:38 you have union democrats who are pro-gun uh you have suburban soccer moms who in the mostly

00:34:44 peaceful protest all of a sudden decided hey i'm pro-gun and we have used this issue primarily

00:34:49 because it's it's it's a it's the best wedge issue we could find it's and tifa is pro-gun

00:34:56 transgenders right yeah there's that too yeah guns is lethally politically speaking for the

00:35:01 humor impaired, of course. Guns is lethally effective in Republican primaries. So that's 1.00

00:35:08 our bread and butter right there. That's when we do our best lobby work.

00:35:12 So your issue is up to you, but also I mentioned too, it's the impact is far greater than just

00:35:18 guns. We've used this issue to elect hundreds of Christians into office who actually know what 0.66

00:35:25 they're there for. And from that, we've legalized our, I guess, deregulated homeschooling, for 0.99

00:35:30 example, in some states, or we've defunded all of Planned Parenthood in certain states. We've

00:35:35 got rid of horrible constitutional amendments in some states. And so the gun issue is the vehicle,

00:35:41 but the benefits are far beyond just Second Amendment issue. And that was intentional when

00:35:45 we got going in this a long time ago. Well, if you think about it, so you have, you have,

00:35:51 you know, some blue haired lefty, you know, state rep or some, you know, transvestite, 0.88

00:35:56 you know they're out there pushing for the total destruction of the nuclear family right you know 0.97

00:36:01 total annihilation of christian culture uh they want abortion up to and after there's death it's

00:36:06 all death all the time sin death all the time so if that person can lose a seat because of guns

00:36:13 or pro-life perhaps um then what you get out of that is you get a person out of office who is

00:36:20 pro-death wants to destroy christian culture and all the other things that you care about

00:36:24 when that person is gone so were the so was their ability to uh to you know force you know their

00:36:31 their power structure on us so it's uh you know that might be a revelation to some people who

00:36:37 are going to watch this this video but uh it was never about the guns it was never about the guns

00:36:42 it was about god's law applies we don't like watching these people destroy our country and

00:36:48 destroy the west we're sick and tired of christians being apathetic and sitting back

00:36:53 and being nicer than jesus and uh and so we got into politics too they are the left is is inflicting 0.97

00:37:01 their will upon us every single day you know they are doing the work of their father the devil

00:37:07 you know they are liars and uh we are combating them in the same it's a it's a spiritual war

00:37:14 combined into a total political war um and we've been very successful in a lot of places

00:37:21 um and uh yeah yeah so when so when uh jim obergefell ran for the ohio house of representatives

00:37:29 and a guy named dj swearingen the republican uh ran against him it was our royal pleasure

00:37:36 to run gun as gun control ads against obergefell and deny him that level up that he was looking

00:37:43 for to get into elected politics so very nice where can people follow you guys on social media

00:37:48 you could follow us if you just search the door brothers on most on most channels you'll find us

00:37:56 i don't know that we have a specific handle across all platforms but if you want to if you want to

00:38:02 support the work we do go to american firearms association.org and then there is a you can

00:38:08 either support the afa or there is a list a state affiliates list there with each one of the states

00:38:16 that we are working in if you live in one of those states uh feel free to uh feel free to get

00:38:21 involved nice um people names and money people lists and money i think is the three things that

00:38:28 you guys have mentioned at this point uh more than once um saying that if you want to be successful

00:38:33 in politics you need you need money you need people you need uh lists can you can you explain

00:38:39 a little bit how um how to get those things and and what's significant about like how do you then

00:38:45 what's significant about people money and lists and how's that how's that going to be used uh to

00:38:51 get you know political will accomplished go for it well there's minutiae here but at the end of

00:38:57 the day we get down in the trenches we're very active in the trenches in these states to pass

00:39:03 or defeat legislation and so if we have a gun bill we're trying to work on in say missouri for

00:39:08 example you need lots of people to contact that chairman and those committee members to say you

00:39:13 move the bill forward. And so if I go and talk to all of them individually, I mean, they don't

00:39:18 really care if I'm brand new in that state. I have about this much political power. But if we have

00:39:23 20,000 people on an email list or 100,000 people on an email list, if our social media videos are

00:39:30 viewed by a quarter million people in the state, well, all of a sudden, and we give out that

00:39:35 lawmaker's cell phone number and we say, text these committee members and tell them to vote

00:39:39 yes on this bill, now you've got power. And now it supersedes their version or their thoughts

00:39:45 about me. And they have a real problem in their district. And so once you have some power like

00:39:50 that, you can begin to inflict real change. And then from there, most of our messaging is geared

00:39:54 to the district. And so when they get an email or a text or a phone call, it's coming from their

00:40:00 constituent. It's not coming shotgun style. It's a sniper shot from their district. This has

00:40:05 happened so much in ohio you had a case here chris a while back where you were he was in the capital

00:40:10 in a committee fight and he calls me he's he's in the ground he's in the trenches i need a text

00:40:15 campaign on this state rep i need to go in the next 10 minutes or else and so our whole team

00:40:20 got a big team great team of folks we mobilize them and we drop 5 000 texts in this guy's district

00:40:26 in about 10 minutes time yeah and he changed his voicemail to a pizza company trying to pretend

00:40:33 And he wasn't the rep in question because that pressure was overwhelming.

00:40:37 And so the money feeds the programs and it feeds the campaigns, digital, social media videos, emails and texts that result in that pressure, which a lot of times they find they can't resist it.

00:40:50 And they have to take they have to vote the right way, not because they like us.

00:40:54 Usually it's because they quite in fact hate us, but that's what that money and those tools allow us to do is to put that much pressure on a guy or gal to make them vote our way, even if they don't want to.

00:41:04 Yeah. And I guess there's probably a practical side of this question.

00:41:08 If I heard you correctly, there's probably a lot of people who are like, how do I go about getting the list?

00:41:13 So every part of political engagement is an opportunity really to grow your list.

00:41:18 So, for example, when we do it on the gun issue, we have a bill sponsored.

00:41:22 well we're instantly uh we're going on facebook we're going on social media saying we've just

00:41:28 introduced this bill sign your petition in support of it here so we're constantly trying to find

00:41:33 people that that not just we don't want just numbers we want people who agree with us on our

00:41:39 issue on those lists so that they are invested in this so you bring them in in that phase and you

00:41:44 bring them all the way through the committee phase you post something on social media and

00:41:48 you're asking it's like an email signup yeah email signups yeah you bet um and a lot of times we're

00:41:54 we're gonna put money behind that to get it in front of more people we're targeting audiences

00:41:58 kind of practical things like that like boosting the social media posts you bet okay yep to you

00:42:04 know like look-alike audiences or people who um already like our page similar audiences to that

00:42:11 people who follow the nra i mean there's all kinds of targeting metrics on the backside of social

00:42:15 media. But that's that's like the practical way to start. I mean, if you're going to go back to

00:42:20 a more local issue, you go to your local city council, you go to those those school board

00:42:25 meetings and you sign around, you send around clipboards and have people sign up. A lot of

00:42:30 this stuff, though, is the nitty gritty, not attractive work that has to be done in order to

00:42:38 move the ball. But a big problem that you have in politics at any level is people are looking for

00:42:45 the silver bullet they don't want to just they don't want to pass around the clipboard and go

00:42:49 to the work of putting out emails to mobilize people and um but it's effective the left has

00:42:56 always done these things uh to to tremendous effect so right so so i would i would just say

00:43:02 the way we've gone about it is you know the organizations that we run are not-for-profits

00:43:09 501c4 non-profits um and it's that's the vehicle with which and this is this is very common in

00:43:16 politics it's what most everybody's using either a 501c4 or 501c3 or a pack of some kind um and so

00:43:24 if you know depending on what people in the audience want to do um you can you know create

00:43:30 a you know set up a 501c4 and uh you know that becomes then the vehicle that you work with

00:43:37 give it a name right american firearms association minnesota gun rights something like that

00:43:41 and uh you know you need you know a lot of people go and they they ask for some seed money you know

00:43:47 maybe a church you know gives them uh the first check five thousand dollars perhaps you know you

00:43:52 can use that then to start growing uh that list that we're talking about if there's a big issue

00:43:57 that's happening in your state and uh you know that people are really fired up about it um you

00:44:04 know after the the assassination of charlie kirk people are very much wanting to learn how to do

00:44:10 more and get more involved and you can you can put petitions in front of them you can put email

00:44:16 signups and say we are fighting on this issue if you'd like to support us or if you or let your

00:44:22 representative know what you think about this by by signing here and that helps create your list

00:44:29 again the left is doing it the right is doing it everybody's out there building less the government's

00:44:33 doing it everybody's building a list right volunteers doing it with facial recognition

00:44:37 to make sure that anti-semites are completely jailed and destroyed yeah go ahead yeah and uh

00:44:44 and then you when you get those people on a list you ask them for money yeah you tell them like

00:44:49 we're we're fighting for you you show them what we're doing you show them what we're doing uh

00:44:53 right now in minnesota for example after what happened with denunciation uh school shooting

00:44:58 and then of course the big catalyst here was the left trying to blame the right for charlie kirk

00:45:03 so now they want gun control how did that work out for jimmy kimmel yeah not so good not so good

00:45:09 and uh you know so gun owners in that particular state are extremely fired up and so we're doing

00:45:15 our job of launching these ads of launching this mail these emails text message campaigns

00:45:22 we're putting massive pressure on the legislature to stop a special session on gun control which is

00:45:28 what Tim Walls is trying to do. And so you just ask the people on your list, please give us money

00:45:35 to help pay for the ads that we're trying to run right now. More money equals more ads equals more

00:45:42 pressure. And so you kind of got to, so I would say you need to start with a little bit of money

00:45:47 in order to build a little list in order to be able to raise a bit more money to create a larger

00:45:53 list and the bigger the more pressure you can put on rhinos depending if you live in a red state or

00:46:00 you can put it on you know far left democrats and you can pressure them to stop bills uh or or

00:46:06 advance legislation right and if people have more specific questions uh feel free to feel free to

00:46:12 contact us for sure and we're you know especially if you're if you're a church if you're uh if you're

00:46:18 reformed christians like us um or or even if you're slightly off that's all right too um feel

00:46:25 free to reach out to us we're happy to to communicate and give more specifics because of

00:46:29 course you know we work in red states like missouri and ohio these are deep red states we work in

00:46:36 purple states like pennsylvania like pennsylvania wisconsin michigan these are purple states we

00:46:41 work in blue states like illinois new york and each each strategy is is different right if you

00:46:49 if you live in a if you live in a state that is totally dominated excuse me by the republican

00:46:54 party you're not going to sit there and go the democrats are doing a bad job they don't control

00:46:59 any of the power you have to go after the republicans who are not outlawing abortion

00:47:05 who are not passing the pro-gun bills who are not doing their duty and all the things they promised

00:47:10 during the election cycles they're not doing that so you need to go after them because they will

00:47:15 still sit there and go the democrats are the problem they're the ones causing all the issues

00:47:20 it's all ilhan omar it's like she's not even from your state you guys are the ones with super

00:47:24 majorities pass the bill so there's definitely different strategies depending on where you live

00:47:29 and uh we'd be happy to you know discuss that further as well good uh let me ask a question

00:47:35 so i big gun supporter i used to have dozens of guns but i lost them in a boating accident

00:47:39 recently but yeah go find them you're gonna it's rough but um that said i'm curious you guys being

00:47:48 you know major gun advocates which i support wholeheartedly um what do you think about

00:47:53 transgenders having guns i'm curious like just like your your biblical because i can understand

00:48:01 like i'm not trying to trap you i can understand if it's like uh no it's it's a constitutional

00:48:06 right if they're a citizen they can have a gun but the moment they use it illegally then it needs

00:48:11 to be the death penalty that might be your answer because honestly like that could be the answer the 0.91

00:48:14 answer could be that uh anybody commits murder right whether they're a transgender or not uh 0.85

00:48:20 but you start just you just start nationally publicizing um hangings make hangings great 0.83

00:48:26 again praise god right you know and so it could be that simple to where even the transgender is 0.99

00:48:30 like well i'm uh i am retarded and uh chemically biologically engineered to kill christian children 0.99

00:48:38 in school um through through literally biochemical engineering to be a ticking time bomb to kill 0.99

00:48:45 christian kids and even despite all that i just saw three people on tv hung this week

00:48:51 and so uh i'm not gonna do that might be your answer uh and and that's fine it is i'm just

00:48:56 My answer is no, they can't have guns.

00:48:58 Maybe we have three different answers here, 1.00

00:49:00 but I always say that abortion is wrong 0.96

00:49:03 because it's an assault and it's an attack on the image of God. 1.00

00:49:08 I would say that somebody who's a transvestite 1.00

00:49:10 and steeped in this sin 1.00

00:49:13 is already attacking the image of God within them.

00:49:17 They're homicidal by nature.

00:49:18 Yeah, that's a good point.

00:49:19 Absolutely not.

00:49:20 Now, do I think you can create a law

00:49:22 that prohibits them from ever accessing those firearms i i don't think so um but should they

00:49:28 have them absolutely not they're uh they're they're uh evil very evil yeah well what we always

00:49:35 say we're not in the business of arming our enemies right exactly people love to sit there 0.99

00:49:40 and go look you know if you want to be uh if you want to be uh you know a gay purple haired you 0.97

00:49:45 know gauged out you know tranny whatever in your backyard with a fire extinguisher you know doing 0.99

00:49:51 methamphetamine i don't agree with any of that but i will die for your right to do that i won't 0.98

00:49:57 um i won't no we will not no we will not these if you take the the the lgbtqia plus you know xyz

00:50:05 if you as as as a whole they are they're 100 anti-gun right they oppose all of our political

00:50:14 agenda items as a political entity these people are full-blown enemies of everything that we care

00:50:20 about and i would say 99.9 of every gun owner or you know who who supports the organizations that

00:50:28 we that we work with so we're not going to sit here and advocate for these people uh to to have

00:50:35 to have guns because they are like chris said they are homicidal by nature you know they are

00:50:41 they are killing people they are killing christians um they killed charlie kirk right right 0.96

00:50:47 They killed the kids in the Tennessee school. 0.99

00:50:50 I'm not going to sit here and say, nah, it's all good.

00:50:54 Because by their nature, they are committing far more crimes

00:50:57 than anybody else is on this topic.

00:51:00 Because if it's up to them, they have a bullet for me

00:51:02 and for each of my nine kids.

00:51:04 Right.

00:51:04 Yeah.

00:51:05 We're not in the business of arming our enemies.

00:51:07 That's good.

00:51:08 This is a Christian country.

00:51:09 That's how it was formed.

00:51:10 God's law reigns supreme in a godly society. 0.97

00:51:13 I mean, a clinger on the show MASH pretended to be trans to get psych discharged, to get out of the military and sent home. 0.91

00:51:22 It wasn't that long ago. 0.99

00:51:23 Everyone could say these people are deranged.

00:51:26 They have problems.

00:51:27 And to give them a firearm and to pretend that we're all equal, that this is some kind of a big beta democracy, is what's led to all these people being shot in these churches.

00:51:37 And so a lot of the beta organizations right now, gun rights groups, are out there saying what Ben said.

00:51:43 well they absolutely national groups oh we'll defend your right to have these guns we're not

00:51:48 we're not stupid and we're not this is not a democracy we have a republic for a reason

00:51:52 and this is that this is getting people killed and i'd also add that we have and i'd be careful

00:51:58 how i phrase this but there are contacts really high up in the government right now who are asking

00:52:03 for input input from organizations like ours on what should the president do what can the president

00:52:10 do because even even people who are not necessarily christian can see this is killing us and so

00:52:18 there's a lot of discussion happening right now uh at the federal level what can be done

00:52:23 and uh we're here for it cool well said all right we're gonna go to our last commercial break before

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00:57:06 but a comment we appreciate those dapper dan he's regular we appreciate you dan thank you for your

00:57:11 support five bucks he said 58 democrats just voted against a resolution condemning charlie

00:57:17 kirk's assassination three of those democrats are white i just say facts so true king we appreciate

00:57:23 it all right this is bjj wins again bjj wins again he's a regular supporter of the show we know him

00:57:29 in person he was at our conference this last year got to spend some time with him great guy he

00:57:34 writes in a question it's a five dollar super chat we appreciate that bg bjj wins again thank you uh

00:57:40 he asked any advice i'm going to give this to the door brothers any advice for using these tactics

00:57:45 the practical things the money the list the people at a city and county level yeah i'll start on this

00:57:54 one the beauty about starting at the city and council level is that the the apparatus is so

00:58:01 much smaller for example in a state legislature they have caucus staff they have lawyers they

00:58:06 have teams that surround these legislators so when we're trying to put pressure on them

00:58:10 they have access to reinforcement so if we're bringing the pressure they have insulation from

00:58:16 that to some degree when it comes to city and county level stuff that stuff falls away very

00:58:22 quickly and the numbers that are needed in order to affect some kind of change that you're looking

00:58:28 for drop dramatically i don't know most the number one thing i would say to anybody starting at the

00:58:34 county or city level is start show up because i've been to many county commissioner meetings

00:58:41 where there is not one single member of the public there so if this is a hot issue to your church

00:58:48 this is where churches have such an outsized role at the local level it's amazing it's a tremendous

00:58:55 resource because you can just at a local level there may only be 20 people there and your church

00:59:00 can roll up with like 50. Yeah. Or there might be five people there or zero people there. And so

00:59:07 just show up and start. And you'd be surprised. Again, this goes back to the analogy that

00:59:14 all politicians are basically like evil lords. No, they're not. These people, especially at the

00:59:22 county commissioner level or the city level, sometimes they will actually listen to your

00:59:26 input. So you don't really need that many people. So you start to mobilize your friends and go up

00:59:34 there, go down there, wherever it is, and start to talk to them. And you might find that you get

00:59:40 much better results than you were anticipating, and it's just simply because you showed up.

00:59:45 Victory goes to those who show up. So many times the Christian world gets way too bogged down in 0.85

00:59:51 what's happening online, uh, then to know that so much of what affects their daily life is being

00:59:58 decided at that city council meeting that night that nobody is even there to attend. So, well,

01:00:05 then you said they might be more willing to listen. Um, that is true. Also, if they won't

01:00:10 listen, they're much more likely to bend the pressure. These people don't, these people don't

01:00:15 have a full-time legislative aide who's sitting there fielding phone calls and just giving a 1.00

01:00:20 tally to their boss. These are as small ball bureaucrats as you can possibly find. So the 0.99

01:00:27 ability to pressure these people is infinitely easier if they refuse to listen to reason than

01:00:33 it is going after a state representative or a state senator. I remember we were fighting

01:00:38 the city, a little city in Minnesota was trying to outlaw gun stores. They were trying to regulate

01:00:44 them out, zone them out of existence. And there was two or three stores there in particular that

01:00:49 we're being uh that we're going to be forced to shut down or or relocate and uh of course we use

01:00:55 our state level group you know to to do that work but we simply funneled phone calls to the uh city

01:01:03 council's office and when it came time for the hearing they said well we this is the quote from

01:01:08 the from the mayor he said well we have uh learned the power of social media and we will be tabling

01:01:14 this proposal indefinitely and that was just the end of it and we've done that many many many times

01:01:19 in many states and so you know get like chris said get your church together get your people together

01:01:24 uh and show up and show up you know i think my brief add-on my last comment on that would just

01:01:29 be pick good issues it's important to pick good issues because you can really mobilize a lot more

01:01:34 people with issues that are relevant to the day that are that are that are in the news at the

01:01:38 moment pick issues that are not just your favorite topic perhaps but that are able to really mobilize

01:01:44 lots of people and get a lot of interest in people because it's easier to keep it going

01:01:47 and not flame out with yourself if you have a lot of energy behind the issue you're engaged in

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01:02:29 I think, is the name. Okay. He said, as a big head covering guy, why has the practice fell away

01:02:36 within the church today. I'm ahead for head coverings, but what do you think? Do you think

01:02:43 that head coverings should still be a thing? And if so, should it be daily? So I'll say my

01:02:49 position, and I wrote the Ford for Dale Partridge, his book on head coverings. I agree with probably

01:02:53 95% of what he said. I maintain some distinctions. So my wife, I have five kids, four of them are

01:03:00 girls. My wife and my four daughters, they head cover on the Lord's Day for public worship,

01:03:05 prayer and prophecy. So when Paul says, you know, the woman should cover her head, you know, when 0.97

01:03:09 she's praying or prophesying, I don't take that. A lot of, a lot of the libtards and, you know, 1.00

01:03:15 egalitarian feminists, they take that to say, oh, see, women are prophesying and praying in the 0.99

01:03:19 church. And so they take that to say like, you know, behind the pulpit in isolation, this, like

01:03:23 all the men and all the women in the church are sitting down silent while a woman is standing

01:03:28 for, you know, prophesying or, and that, you know, very clearly would directly contradict,

01:03:32 you know what paul says in first timothy chapter uh chapter two where he says you know i do not

01:03:37 permit a woman to you know have authority or teach or exercise authority over a man she must remain 0.98

01:03:42 silent uh so i take uh first corinthians 14 or first corinthians is it 14 or 11 it's 14 i believe 0.92

01:03:50 uh in terms of a woman prophesying 14 or 11 it's a little bit of both uh 14 is where it says it's

01:03:56 shameful for a woman to speak in church all right and then 11 is where we find the lord's supper and

01:04:00 head coverings. I take all that combined to Paul. What he's essentially saying is that women do 1.00

01:04:05 prophesy and pray in church, but they do so collectively, corporately, that really you

01:04:10 could say the entire church service on the Lord's Day is prayer and prophecy. That's what it is.

01:04:15 The preached word is lowercase p prophecy. Our singing to the Lord, we're praying to the Lord

01:04:21 in song. So it's all prayer and prophecy. So I take that as Paul saying, this is what church is.

01:04:27 church's prayer and prophecy and the whole church the whole congregation is not uh merely sitting

01:04:32 back spectating uh but is participating in that um and so yes uh two or three should prophesy

01:04:38 one at a time so for the sake of order that's also first corinthians 14 in terms of everyone

01:04:44 sitting down and listening but there is a corporate uh a corporate mechanism where we all pray and

01:04:49 prophesy together and where do we do that i think we do that throughout the church service in the

01:04:53 corporate prayers and also in our worship through song, through hymns and psalms and spiritual

01:04:58 songs. So I think that it's not saying that a woman is going to prophesy out loud while everyone

01:05:03 else is silent listening to her in an authoritative manner, nor is she going to come up and pray out

01:05:09 loud while everybody is silent. But I think corporately they're going to be doing that.

01:05:12 So prayer and prophecy during these moments, the woman should have her head covered. And I think

01:05:17 those moments are basically incorporate the entire church service. So the whole church

01:05:22 service on the Lord's day is prayer and prophecy corporately. And I think what Paul is ultimately

01:05:28 saying when you take 1 Corinthians 14 and cross-reference with 1 Corinthians 11 is that

01:05:32 women should cover at church. So whether they cover on a Monday afternoon, you know, or evening

01:05:37 after dinner during family worship, I'm going to leave that to heads of households to determine

01:05:42 I'll speak for myself. I could be wrong. You can put that on my tombstone, Joel. I could be wrong.

01:05:47 but you know so I could be wrong but for for my convictions and where I'm at in my study on the

01:05:53 issue my wife and my daughters they they cover their head on the Lord's Day at church but for

01:06:01 those of you who feel like anytime your wife or daughters are praying whether it be family worship

01:06:05 in the home or if you feel like better safe than sorry I'd like my wife to you know or my daughters

01:06:11 to cover their head. This is what I know for sure. And even, you know, even R.C. Sproul,

01:06:17 who was fairly moderate. I love R.C. Sproul, but I'm just, so I don't say that as an insult. I'm

01:06:21 just saying he was not that extreme. R.C. Sproul, fairly moderate. His wife, Vesta Sproul, still

01:06:27 covers her head at church to this day. But when he was making the argument, he said this. He said,

01:06:31 this is what I know. He said, it's a little complex. Some of the exegesis can be tough.

01:06:37 He said, but what I know for sure is this. 0.83

01:06:39 There might be a command for a woman to cover her head.

01:06:43 But I know that there is certainly not a prohibition from a woman covering her head.

01:06:47 So if my wife and daughters cover their head, and it turns out they didn't have to do that.

01:06:52 Well, there was no verse in the Bible to say that a woman, thou shalt not cover your head. 0.99

01:06:56 But there might be some verses in the Bible that say they should. 0.93

01:06:58 And so I would just take that, going a little bit stronger than Sproul, 0.80

01:07:01 I would say, no, the Bible does actually say that a woman should cover her head and worship. 0.92

01:07:05 But I would take that might clause 0.91

01:07:08 and I would apply that to the home.

01:07:10 So if you want to say better safe than sorry

01:07:12 with Tuesday evening family worship in the home,

01:07:15 wife and daughters,

01:07:16 we're going to cover our head for family worship.

01:07:19 No harm, no foul.

01:07:20 There's certainly nothing in the scripture that forbids it.

01:07:22 And there might be something in the scripture

01:07:23 that commands it.

01:07:24 For me, I feel fairly convicted

01:07:26 that the scripture does at least command prayer and prophecy

01:07:29 when the saints, the excellent ones,

01:07:32 and all the earth gathered together

01:07:33 on the day that Christ was risen from the dead for church.

01:07:36 So that's where I'm at.

01:07:38 You guys, I don't know if head coverings is one of my things.

01:07:41 I don't know if it's really a thing for you guys,

01:07:43 if you want to pipe in.

01:07:44 Not our expertise. 1.00

01:07:45 No, my wife has beautiful hair. 1.00

01:07:47 My six girls do too. 1.00

01:07:49 And that's their head coverings.

01:07:50 All right, I get it.

01:07:52 Yeah, that's the Doug Wilson approach.

01:07:54 I'll just say this.

01:07:55 I actually don't have a very strong position on it

01:07:58 one way or the other,

01:07:59 but my wife actually feels very strongly about uh wearing a head covering i know some people like

01:08:05 to do the whole kind of amish or not uh the uh the whole the whole the whole wrap some of them

01:08:11 are like it's a it's smaller and pretty and actually really pretty like feminine and like

01:08:16 you know like lace kind of thing and then some of them is like we're getting a little muslim

01:08:20 yeah i meant to say muslim i said amish they they're a little similar sometimes yeah uh but

01:08:26 yeah my my wife does the the little one like that and she she felt strongly about it and

01:08:31 um i didn't act you know maybe it's a little egalitarian but uh yeah i don't know who's

01:08:36 running your democracy well you know like you said there's you know there's no no i think that's a

01:08:41 good approach like so i mean if you feel like my conscience is clear well i think read into it and

01:08:47 make sure your conscience is really clear and not just you're just advocating like i'm just not

01:08:50 going to read uh anything on it because i don't want to know because i don't want to be responsible

01:08:54 Well, don't do that.

01:08:55 So read a little bit on it.

01:08:56 But then if your conscience is clear, I'm not going to split a church over it.

01:09:01 I have a pretty convicted position. 0.99

01:09:03 But in my church, about half the women cover it and half of them don't.

01:09:06 And the ones who don't, none of them is saying,

01:09:11 yeah, my pastor, when he's preaching, he's glaring at me the entire time.

01:09:15 So our church, we're simply not going to divide over this issue.

01:09:19 We think it matters.

01:09:20 I think it matters.

01:09:21 But we're not going to divide over it.

01:09:22 but i will say this that um if you if you really have studied the issue and you're like nope the

01:09:27 hair is a covering i disagree no no disrespect i disagree but at least you've read the issue and

01:09:32 you have a conviction but if you're like i really don't know and your wife is saying can i cover

01:09:38 again i would say no verse that says she can't so it's weird to me like i've had a couple guys

01:09:44 a couple guys even in the crec who have like publicly um forbidden head covering in their

01:09:50 church and so i'm like look i understand if you don't want to mandate it wow but but if you're

01:09:54 like in a reformed church as a pastor crec or you know this is strictly hypothetical let's say you're

01:10:00 the head of the crec it's not hypothetical and you're forbidding head covering that's just that

01:10:08 to me that's crazy so the approach that you took i i think is is and i'm sure for you too it's like

01:10:13 we think the hair is a covering but i guarantee you just never actually i guarantee you if there

01:10:17 were women in your church who were head covering you're not going to be there are you're not going

01:10:20 to be taking them off oh you know like that's crazy right exactly but that's that was weird

01:10:26 for me so hopefully that uh helps to answer the question we'll move on from that just because

01:10:30 the door brothers are here and i want to make sure that we uh focus on the things that they

01:10:33 they really are experts in uh somebody else uh give me a break and um chris would you read

01:10:39 truth prevails and this is real quick this is fifty dollars uh from truth prevails that's a

01:10:45 generous super chat we really appreciate it yeah this is a name i know jonathan storms here

01:10:49 shout out to my dad jason storms what would you recommend for a young man with minor political

01:10:55 experience campaign for trump lobbying legislators door knocking etc that sounds minor a little more

01:11:01 than minor there to develop deeper experience in the political world oh that's a great question

01:11:07 what do you guys think coming from a storms that's kind of crazy yeah real quick tell me

01:11:13 about the storms i don't know they're a very very active political family they're a multi-generational

01:11:18 political family involved in a lot of things pro-life space most especially um what's his

01:11:23 name jonathan i mean jonathan i think the key thing is or one thing is we have to get beyond

01:11:30 the not beyond but in addition to the things that are done you know on kind of the the ministry

01:11:36 the ministry stuff the street stuff at a certain point to inflict pain on legislators you have to

01:11:42 build a structure and it can be big it can be small they all begin small right but at a certain

01:11:48 point you have to organize uh um in a very in a very mechanical way a very you know sometimes

01:11:55 very boring way you have to establish an organization you have to figure out a way

01:11:59 to raise money you have to rally more people to your cause and so what you've done people are

01:12:04 showing up but but then also it sounds like a lot of it is like having the people on standby right

01:12:11 standing down standing by Mr. President but like having those people ready to uh to blast the phone

01:12:18 and the emails to just make the politician pull his hair out and push the button when we need him

01:12:23 to push the button is that yeah the structure has to be built and it has to be maintained people will

01:12:27 go and find somebody else if you're not actively like helping them know what's going on how can I

01:12:32 be involved and then we give them specific mechanical tools to actually like communicate

01:12:36 directly to their lawmakers. So those emails that they send in go right to their state senator's

01:12:41 inbox. And so we give them the tools that they need to not just be informed, but to be weaponized

01:12:48 in a good way for the righteous cause that we're engaged in. And so at a certain point,

01:12:53 you'll have to begin to build an organization. Jonathan, locally is fine. We can grow. I mean,

01:12:57 our stuff is state for the most part, but it can be local. It could then become state down the road

01:13:02 to to better not better but to more accurately channel that fire uh on the lawmakers who

01:13:07 desperately need to hear from people in their districts awesome and to that i would just say

01:13:12 you know a person has to know what their what their life looks like what their responsibilities

01:13:17 are what their gifts are if do you have a wife and a bunch of kids are you uh 50 are you 20 you

01:13:23 know um is this is this something that you you know so you take um you know jonathan storms here

01:13:30 you know he's done a bunch of sort of uh you know he said lobbying legislators door knocking

01:13:36 done some campaigning so he's done it's kind of that level of of political activism you know by

01:13:42 now you might know what it is you want to do with your life you know do you want to do this kind of

01:13:47 thing uh permanently and this is what we do it's what we do day every single day uh we've i've been

01:13:54 doing this for 10 years both my brothers i'm doing this for 15 years 16 17 18 years you know

01:14:01 and so it's it's because we have built the infrastructure that we were able to go okay

01:14:06 you know we're not going to weekend warrior our politics we're gonna we're gonna do this is what

01:14:11 we're gonna do we're gonna do it as effectively as possible you know we're gonna win as much as

01:14:16 possible and so i would say um yeah find out if this is the kind of thing you want to do

01:14:21 on a on a permanent basis and then i would encourage you know young men like him reach

01:14:27 reach out to uh reach out to us um and this goes for a lot of folks who are probably watching this

01:14:33 if you want to learn the the the tools if you want to learn the tricks of the trade shall we say

01:14:39 we want to better equip going forward uh the the reformed world i'm friends with a lot of

01:14:45 the reformed baptists um if you want to be effective in politics if you want to do more

01:14:50 than just you know 20 minutes you know a week on your political activism uh we would like to

01:14:56 you know maybe bring more people into the fold reach out to us and see where you've if there's

01:15:01 a real quick where do they reach out give her x handles x yeah give your x handles yeah uh real

01:15:07 air and door that's my x handle real air and door all right the number two a door bro uh d-o-r-r-b-r-o

01:15:15 okay and just ben letter c as in charlie door that's it ben c door doors d-o-r-r correct correct

01:15:23 the german okay there you go reach out to eat eat any one of us uh the three of us and um yeah

01:15:29 we'll see what we can do okay let's do this last question because i think chris you know part of

01:15:33 your answer will probably play into this because it's a similar question uh let's make this the

01:15:36 last of the day so that we can go ahead and uh cut the stream this has been super helpful guys

01:15:40 Thank you so much for being on the show with me.

01:15:43 We got two Super Chats, each for $10, so $20 from Stryker.

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01:15:52 He said, what do you think about organizing using a private membership association with local Christians

01:15:58 to take over a school board or a village council, city council, and move on to other towns in my county?

01:16:07 So what do you think about small organization, private membership, association with local Christians, take over a school board, and maybe a city council, and then moving over and kind of town by town to try to take the whole county?

01:16:21 What do you think?

01:16:21 I mean, with all of these answers, I might have a different answer than Chris, different than Aaron.

01:16:27 I personally say go for it.

01:16:29 Go for it.

01:16:30 But you need the same thing, lists, money, and people.

01:16:33 You don't need as big a lists.

01:16:34 you don't need as much money perhaps not as many people but if you're going to run to be you know

01:16:40 on the town council well there's going to be people in in your ward or people um in your city

01:16:46 who hate you for it i've known a bunch of people who got into the city council weren't able to do

01:16:51 anything very effective and the moment there was a re-election campaign they had no lists of people

01:16:57 that locals neighbors who supported them who they had articulated their positions to they had no

01:17:03 money for the reelection campaign and they yeah they didn't have uh people to turn out and and

01:17:10 to stand up for them to stand up for them on social media to go out and vote for them so

01:17:15 you need the list you need the money you need the people if you're going to try to one man band

01:17:19 politics even uh little politics like a like a city council versus a state representative versus

01:17:25 a congressional campaign you need to have um and and and again on a small thing like that

01:17:30 It could just be, you know, maybe you're a part of one of the bigger churches in the area, but you have to make sure those people are stepping out of those four walls and actually getting involved in what's going on in their own community.

01:17:41 And I think if there's anything we've erred on during this whole conversation is that we've talked about list, money and people in the context of the political application in trying to accomplish policy or pressure a politician.

01:17:54 But it is also very effective to be used during the election season.

01:17:59 So we bring all of that to bear to protect our good guys and to punish the bad guys, whether it's a Republican primary or general election.

01:18:07 but the lists and money and people are very much a political thing and a election season thing so

01:18:15 and they and they work for both there's so much more we could say anything for you i would just

01:18:19 tell striker yeah your church is the is the natural place to begin but honestly these days

01:18:24 uh more and more of our supporters are our folks who have they haven't walked away from the church 0.53

01:18:29 but they're fed up with the pious crap they've got for decades in some cases in their church

01:18:34 and a lot of our best supporters these days are folks who are either looking for a new church 0.97

01:18:39 or they're not sure where to find a decent church.

01:18:41 And sometimes these folks who I think sometimes Christians are willing to kind of look down on

01:18:44 because they're not quite from the same cloth that we are, these people are fantastic.

01:18:49 These are the ones who elected Trump.

01:18:50 These are the ones who gave power back to conservative ideas.

01:18:55 If they knew them all or not, it doesn't even matter.

01:18:57 They're out there, and they want to be used for a good fight too.

01:19:00 So don't forget to weaponize those people in all the right ways for your local fights in particular.

01:19:05 Amen.

01:19:06 Part of the reason our ministry has grown significantly just in the last few months is because I pretty much had an epiphany about six months to a year ago where I realized, yeah, I'm reformed and I'm always going to be reformed. 0.81

01:19:20 The reformed tradition is my home, but the reformed ghetto is not. 0.82

01:19:23 Yeah, it's not going to be my home.

01:19:25 i'm not going yeah i'm not going to spend the next 40 years uh trying to compete with james

01:19:31 white you know or g3 for the largest conference within those people need to be kicked out i'm not

01:19:35 in the neighborhood taken back over right so i'm so reformed tradition that's my home and i love it 0.79

01:19:41 i really love it um reformed ghetto not so much and as i've stepped out all you know and i've

01:19:47 stopped being as insufferable as i was if you go back and watch some of the early videos you know

01:19:51 it's just the five solos on repeat over and over and over again.

01:19:55 And so as I've stopped being, you know, 1.00

01:19:56 such an autistic, you know, reformed, insufferable, you know, pastor,

01:20:01 all of a sudden there's a lot of guys who they really, 1.00

01:20:05 the whole time they were willing to link arms.

01:20:07 And I just kind of was too good for them.

01:20:10 And I've had to apologize for that.

01:20:12 And some of these people, yeah, we disagree on some of the theology,

01:20:15 but they really are born again Christians.

01:20:16 They love the Lord Jesus Christ and they're great.

01:20:19 They're salt of the earth.

01:20:20 and if it wasn't for them um i mean dude might like i'm talking like this is i'm not trying to

01:20:27 be hyperbolic or emotional but you're talking about people um who politically have galvanized

01:20:32 together and are are literally uh saving our children you bet if it was just the reformed

01:20:38 my kids were doomed yes we would never win an election my kids would grow up without any future

01:20:42 the country's doomed we're over like so it's like when i think of like who saved my kids

01:20:47 it wasn't the pca yep yep it wasn't uh it was a yeah they're still studying they're still doing

01:20:55 a study committee you know to see whether or not my kids are worth saving um that's you know that's

01:20:59 the pca um but so no the reformed world did not save my kids um the broader evangelical church

01:21:06 did which that broader evangelical church includes a lot of mega churches that i would never attend

01:21:11 but the people um are sweet they're precious they're salt of the earth and praise god for

01:21:17 and go ahead and i'll just round it out again with what chris said there it's uh some of our

01:21:23 i would say many of our best supporters um ardent patriots you know they they see there's a sim

01:21:31 there's a a almost a simplicity of like this is right this is wrong and i don't know all the bible

01:21:37 verses i don't know all the ways i just know that when somebody's doing this thing it's wrong

01:21:43 and i have and these people then have way more grit you know they're way more willing to fight

01:21:50 they're way more willing to go out on a limb um and go after these people and we're in the

01:21:55 evangelical world hangs back and goes i don't i don't feel comfortable with that like can i pray

01:22:00 from my legislator so it takes it takes it takes all kinds um but uh yeah this is uh you know it's

01:22:08 important broad coalitions what i try to tell people all the time is you have to have like

01:22:12 ripples in a lake you know like uh or like a target rings you have to have categories like

01:22:18 we have to be able christians are notoriously bad at this but i believe by the grace of god one day

01:22:23 we could walk and chew gum at the same time we've got to be able to to have categories and so i kind

01:22:28 to use you know language of like all right this is like this is my family you know this is my

01:22:31 brotherhood right these are my friends like brothers friends and then there's this broader

01:22:35 circle uh that you cannot win politically without which i i think of brothers friends and then

01:22:40 co-belligerents and when it comes to co-belligerents uh these are guys who with the culture war the

01:22:45 political war um these are the guys who we cannot win without so it's a broad coalition it's like

01:22:51 oh broad coalition that's that's because you're compromising now i'm not making these guys elders

01:22:55 in my church right but i am absolutely linking arms with them culturally and politically you

01:23:01 bet these are co-belligerents in war and here's the thing if i don't partner that with them now

01:23:05 in uh culture and political war then um then i'm going to end up having to partner with them in a

01:23:10 literal war that's all politics is politics is war it's just war without the blood we can have

01:23:15 a bloodless war and win in the realm of politics or we will have a bloody war and i don't want that

01:23:21 i don't want that so it's like yeah i will you bet you i will happily and humbly link arms with

01:23:28 catholics and go into the voting booth yes a hundred percent uh because if i don't i'm going

01:23:35 to be linking arms with catholics in a literal trench all the metaphors are gone now in a literal

01:23:40 trench with literal guns fighting a literal war because the left wants us dead yeah they want us 0.66

01:23:45 debt so we can win politics is warfare without the bullets so we can win a bloodless war by being

01:23:51 co-belligerents now or we're going to have to be co-belligerents with a bloody war and i'd like to

01:23:56 not get there and i think one of the ways that you can do that without feeling like you're you're

01:24:00 compromising and feeling guilty and have a clear conscience before the lord is just thinking

01:24:04 categories brothers friends co-belligerents and that's helped me tremendously um let's go ahead

01:24:10 and in the string we got to 2 000 uh people watching live that's perfect perfect number

01:24:15 thank you guys for tuning in uh door brothers thank you so much for being on the show

01:24:19 it's been a blessing and uh we will see you guys lord willing um on monday at 3 p.m central time

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The NXR Podcast - September 19, 2025

THE LIVESTREAM - Channeling Charlie Kirk’s Death Toward Political Action

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