The NXR Podcast - THE LIVESTREAM - Chip & Joanna Gaines Betray Their Christian Base

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00:00:26 chip and joanna gaines put the gay back in games they have betrayed their entire christian base 0.70

00:00:37 they built their audience primarily off of christian soccer moms driving their suburbans

00:00:43 or their honda odyssey minivans living in the suburbs and buying all the different trinkets

00:00:49 from magnolia then they turn around and slap them in the face they have a new tv show i believe it's

00:00:56 called Frontier, kind of like a survivor type of show. And they've chosen, selected one of their

00:01:03 families to be a homosexual couple, two men who are allegedly married, who have adopted, right? 0.70

00:01:12 This will shock you. They adopted two boys. Have you noticed it's always boys? I mean, it really 0.52

00:01:20 is always boys whether you're dave rubin allegedly a conservative adopting twin boys with your gay 0.97

00:01:27 partner or whether you're sam altman adopting a boy or whether you're this gay couple on chip

00:01:33 and joanna's tv show again it's always adopting boys it's not a coincidence it's not and we

00:01:39 shouldn't treat it as a coincidence we should acknowledge it what for exactly what it is it's

00:01:44 human trafficking, baby boys, ripping them away from their mothers, paying money, selling boys 0.92

00:01:51 on the market and purchasing them with money for gay men who have the highest statistical 1.00

00:01:59 likelihood of sexually abusing those boys. Now, whether or not this gay couple has done that, 1.00

00:02:05 I don't know. I'm not omniscient, but I know that gay men have the highest likelihood of 1.00

00:02:11 sexualizing and abusing boys, and they tend to always adopt boys. Now, I couldn't help but 1.00

00:02:19 somewhat find a little bit of a silver lining. If you're familiar with the sitcom that was very

00:02:24 popular just a few years back, Modern Family. In Modern Family, you have two gay guys who are

00:02:31 married, allegedly, and they adopt a girl. And so I appreciate that in this reality TV show,

00:02:38 with not just paid actors living out some kind of script

00:02:42 that the writers are able to cook up,

00:02:44 but with an actual family that in this case,

00:02:49 when it comes to reality, it's more realistic.

00:02:52 You have two gay men and they're adopted to boys

00:02:57 every single time. 0.93

00:02:59 This is what we see.

00:03:01 And Chip and Joanna Gaines are not just saying,

00:03:04 well, hey, we want to be inclusive.

00:03:06 You're not just including homosexuality.

00:03:08 you are including human trafficking. You are including an immense amount of perversion that 0.91

00:03:15 comes at the cost of children. That's what they're doing. It is a profound betrayal to their Christian

00:03:21 base. And I hope and pray as a pastor that no Christian patrons, their business or their 1.00

00:03:28 services ever again. Let's tune in now. 1.00

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00:04:04 we are talking about chip and joanna gaines we're talking about uh the outrageous decision that 0.55

00:04:11 they've just made by including this uh homosexual couple and their adopted boys on their reality

00:04:17 television series what do you think we should probably start off just by saying this is probably

00:04:21 not an episode to listen to on the speaker with the whole family around contrary to the image that

00:04:25 they are trying to portray that's right this type of family family in quotation marks and this type

00:04:29 of lifestyle is anything but family appropriate we're going to do our best we have to be honest

00:04:33 about what's happening and that's just not going to be something your five-year-old your eight-year-old

00:04:37 your 10-year-old should be in the vicinity of hearing so there's a content warning for parents

00:04:41 we're really kind of uh it's very interesting celebrities can often get very insulated chip

00:04:46 and joanna gains they're worth about 25 million dollars and you can almost tell in the way they

00:04:49 talk you can pull this tweet up nate uh chip came out and he was kind of defending himself

00:04:53 that these are just people that have not spent much time around honest salt of the earth blue

00:04:58 collar christians after this controversy erupted chip gains he came out he said look

00:05:02 talk ask questions listen maybe even learn too much to ask a modern american christian culture

00:05:10 as in talking asking questions and learning can't ask that of american christians today

00:05:15 judge first understand later slash never he said it's a sad sunday he's posting this this was this

00:05:21 was this past sunday when non-believers have never been confronted with hate or vitriol until

00:05:26 they're introduced to a modern american christian he put the broken heart emoji on there these are

00:05:32 people that just they're shocked isn't that so crazy they've supposedly spent their lives in

00:05:36 church waco texas is not an atheist republic let's just put it that way this is not san francisco

00:05:41 this is baptist land this is this is there's lots of churches there's arguably more churches in waco

00:05:46 than any other city in the country there are a lot of incredible yeah baylor is it a methodist

00:05:52 university no it's baptist baptist so you have baylor right there baylor university it's a baptist

00:05:57 university tons of churches you're in texas one of the most it's not varied but one of the most

00:06:01 conservative states in the union. And, uh, and they are shocked that by normalizing this show

00:06:07 back to the frontier, I think it's only three families are getting featured. And it's kind of

00:06:10 like, Hey, you're going to pretend that you're living on the frontier. Like it's back in the

00:06:14 1800s. And they only picked, I think three, three families to do it. So this is not, you know, Hey,

00:06:19 we've got, we've got a roster of 50. This is, we're going to follow you for weeks and you

00:06:25 pretty much exclusively. And the people that they chose for that was a couple of popular influencers

00:06:30 called the two Dallas dads they're from the Dallas area they're two dads and as you alluded to in the

00:06:36 cold open they have two boys and uh and Chip and Joanna said we'd love to have you on and then when

00:06:42 people pushed back said we don't want this normalized they came out and said hey where's

00:06:47 the listening where's the learning you're just being hateful judgmental bigoted Christians yeah

00:06:53 it's the same thing that the left has been telling us for years all through throughout BLM you know 0.98

00:06:57 they would say, sit down, shut up, and listen, and believe. Sit down, shut up, listen, and believe. 0.97

00:07:03 And now you have Chip Gaines saying the very same thing, but not even when it comes to issues like 0.79

00:07:08 race, but when it comes to something that's arguably one of the most explicit issues in the

00:07:15 Bible, right? That a man shall not lie with another man, for it is an abomination. And he's saying, 0.86

00:07:20 no, no, no, even with this black and white principle from the scripture. And I love how,

00:07:24 you know in the tweet uh he says too much to ask of modern american christian culture i would say

00:07:30 the opposite i would say you got your best shot with modern emphasis on modern american christian

00:07:36 culture and praise god even modern american christians are in mass coming out and saying

00:07:41 no but what what is chip thinking in any any uh christian culture um that isn't modern would

00:07:50 would run chip and joanna out of town i mean they like they'd be arrested um for public

00:07:55 indecency and promoting it so you're he's saying he's making it sound like there's something about

00:08:01 modern american christian culture and i'm thinking like those two you know qualifiers

00:08:06 modern and american like run this show in uganda run this show in uganda with the legislation that

00:08:11 they passed a couple about a year and a half ago um so he's making it sound like there's something

00:08:16 especially bigoted, especially insensitive or harsh about modern and American Christian culture, 0.94

00:08:24 whereas I would say that's actually your best bet is Christian culture today instead of Christianity 0.59

00:08:30 yesterday, so modern Christianity, and Christianity here in America where we have apostatized for the

00:08:37 most part, we've backslidden when it comes to virtues that the Bible puts forth. So your best

00:08:43 bet is modern American Christian culture. That's your best bet of this play, this gay couple with

00:08:50 two boys that they've adopted, being tolerable or being accepted. And the fact that it's not 1.00

00:08:56 accepted by modern American, meaning subpar, compromised Christian culture, means that it's 0.80

00:09:02 certainly not Christian if you're thinking Christianity around the world at large and

00:09:07 christianity historically not modern but historic christianity so um so yeah if if it doesn't pass

00:09:14 the smell test with the types of christians we have here in america today then there's no way

00:09:20 that you can vouch for this or justify to defend it um if you're thinking of christianity in in

00:09:27 general right it's like if you're not aligned with the american christian church who are you

00:09:31 aligned with. But you have to ask that question because it's like, and the demonstrated lack of

00:09:37 humility here too is I think something that's incredibly grave actually for Chip, which is 0.74

00:09:43 you have, you know, this entire spectrum of the American Christian church. I mean, like truly 1.00

00:09:48 liberal people, I would certainly consider liberal in the church, but Orthodox, right? And Trinitarian

00:09:53 and so on and so forth coming out and condemning them for this activity, bringing this family into 0.55

00:10:00 the public view uh as well as people you know who were incredibly close with in line with

00:10:06 theologically and it's like right and your posture it actually isn't one of submission as if

00:10:10 hey i'm your brother i'm on that we're on the same team let me hear you out it's actually one

00:10:15 that's like completely um uh you know condescension frankly i mean it just reads like okay this guy

00:10:22 clearly knows what the church should do you're right that's the irony of chip's tweet is uh the

00:10:27 irony is he's saying well you guys are being bigoted and close-minded and you're not listening

00:10:31 you're not willing to learn but he's doing the exact same thing except it's not whether but

00:10:36 which you know which group are you going to learn and listen to and what chip is essentially saying

00:10:41 is that i will not listen and i will not learn from brothers in christ uh who i will listen and

00:10:47 learn from are sodomites right so so at a certain point you just have to say oh you're not you're

00:10:53 not one of us as far as i'm concerned you know farewell uh chip and joanna gains um these are

00:11:00 not this is not a brother and sister in christ um they they made it clear where their allegiance

00:11:05 lies and it lies ultimately with the human trafficking industry and homosexuality and

00:11:12 sodomy and the perversion of our country the endangerment of children ripping them away 0.97

00:11:19 from their mothers in order to entertain the fantasy of two grown perverted men that is the

00:11:25 allegiance of chip and joanna and they had a moment to say whoa man you know with all the

00:11:30 vitriol all the backlash that they received rightfully from their christian base their own

00:11:35 base they had a moment to actually listen and learn using chip's own language they could have

00:11:40 said whoa sorry guys i think i think we missed this one we weren't trying to support it you know

00:11:45 but we were just you know this is the world we run in this is the world we run in and and i think we

00:11:50 just got a little bit too comfortable but but we we read you loud and clear and we're going to go

00:11:55 ahead and revise this decision but they didn't they doubled down and turned the barrels on their

00:12:01 own base and there's going there's going to be um a financial liability incurred from this and

00:12:08 praise god it always amazes me when these things happen this happened with amy grant she lent out

00:12:13 her land. I think it was for her niece who was a lesbian to get married, quote unquote, on. So this 1.00

00:12:17 has happened many different times before, but it's always incredible to me how little of a defense

00:12:21 they have. So you think about even right here, we're going to spend an hour and a half. We're

00:12:25 going to talk about the scripture. We're going to talk about the statistics. We're going to talk

00:12:27 about the normalization, the history even of how the American Psychiatric Association got the

00:12:32 diagnosis removed for the manual of mental illnesses. So we'll sit down here and spend

00:12:36 hours and same thing in debate. But when they come out with that, I mean, I have yet to see

00:12:41 someone sit down and really thoroughly deal with any of the arguments i remember even it was dr

00:12:46 james white years ago he did a debate on homosexuality and she got up and i remember

00:12:50 the woman who was defending it she literally was like i've got to put aside the debater hat for a

00:12:54 minute and just tell a story she literally tried to tell us tell the story about two lesbian 1.00

00:12:58 librarian librarians and how much they loved each other that's all the arguments they have

00:13:02 appeal to emotion appeal to matthew 7 verse 1 judge not really the first two words of the verse

00:13:07 not even going on to complete it.

00:13:09 But you guys have to realize you have the arguments.

00:13:11 We were alluding to it on Monday, even Ted Cruz. 0.69

00:13:13 Well, why do we have to support the modern state of Israel?

00:13:16 He's like, well, here's the source I got it from, my Sunday school teacher.

00:13:21 These people don't have the arguments.

00:13:22 They don't have the breadth.

00:13:23 They don't have the history to pull on.

00:13:25 They're celebrities that are insulated.

00:13:26 They live in a little bubble because they're millionaires. 0.96

00:13:29 And like you said, Joel, the fruit of being a Christian, very much so lacking. 0.98

00:13:34 And every time they try to defend it, we see even more so. 0.99

00:13:37 No reliance upon scripture, no reliance upon understanding, interpreting, and applying.

00:13:42 Just really defensive.

00:13:43 I kind of like these people and how they make me feel.

00:13:46 Yep.

00:13:47 That's what we see.

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00:14:44 talk real quick um about you know the the psychology and you know the medical studies it was removed

00:14:49 from what's the name of the book that it was removed from in psychology you have what's called

00:14:53 the diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders that's called the dsm there's been five

00:14:59 versions up to now. So we have the fifth version of it. And in 1973, the American Psychiatric

00:15:03 Association removed homosexuality. It was classified under a sociopathic personality

00:15:09 disturbance or sexual deviation. So in your first two versions, the first two versions

00:15:14 of the manual of mental illnesses, this is in the 1960s and the early 1970s, homosexuality

00:15:20 was classified as a sociopathic personality disorder. So if an individual said, I have 0.53

00:15:27 attraction to men i engage in this type of sex literally the the diagnosis was you are sociopathic

00:15:33 this is deviant this is all totally outside of the natural order and not necessarily forced

00:15:39 institutionalization but there most certainly were sodomy laws like in texas here on the books

00:15:45 so there's certainly prosecution for doing it publicly you think of the stonewall riots

00:15:48 but it was in 1973 that the board of trustees voted to simply put it into a term where it was

00:15:55 called a sexual orientation disturbance so instead of being a disorder i'm disordered you can think

00:16:02 of other criminal attractions we would have now like the animals who knows how long that'll last

00:16:06 it was moved from something being disordered and broken to simply it's only disordered and broken

00:16:11 if you're disturbed by it so in 73 the heading was changed and it's a small change so it's still in

00:16:17 the manual still saying like hey this isn't something ideal right depression is never like

00:16:21 i don't suffer from depression i love it but you get to decide if it's a disorder right but it's

00:16:25 only a disorder if you're disturbed right if you're schizophrenic but you you know your imaginary

00:16:30 best friend happens to be your alternate personality and you enjoy it then you know well

00:16:34 it's not a disorder um so they they made that concession but like you're saying it wasn't a

00:16:39 full concession it was you know significant enough but but for the the first two editions of the dsm

00:16:45 um this is the you know homosexuality is listed as a psychological mental disorder and i'm just

00:16:51 going to get you to fact check me on this but i i can only imagine i assume that uh that it was

00:16:57 removed because of just ample scientific studies that were presented and then ultimately was the

00:17:02 people collectively through a democratic you know mechanism that said we want this removed right

00:17:08 like i guess my question is was this the you know the culture as a whole in america changed and and

00:17:13 you know 51 percent of you know the majority simple majority of the people themselves came

00:17:18 out and said well we disagree with this or were there any particular people behind the scenes

00:17:23 that actually single-handedly removed this from the dsm and if so who are those people yeah so

00:17:30 really honestly no it was not 60 of the public in the 60s and 70s the american public did not want

00:17:36 homosexual marriage they did not want it normalized 1995 bill clinton signed the defensive

00:17:41 marriage act so the gay rights movement grows into the 90s and clinton gets out and he signs

00:17:46 legislation defense of marriage marriage is defined as one man and one woman but it's two

00:17:51 groups the gay liberation front glf and the gay activists alliance gaa they had protests and they

00:17:58 pressured the panel that basically voted on what the what disorders would be included one of those

00:18:04 activists was a man named frank cameni would be his name he was actually fired for being gay which

00:18:09 is good that's how it should be in a christian society he was a jewish man and he had this very 0.80

00:18:13 famous quote that said we're the experts on our own lives and so they pushed this narrative we're

00:18:19 the experts on our own lives they try to take research and say listen you're categorizing this

00:18:23 as a disorder but all of the research the science says that we're no more psychologically different

00:18:29 than the rest of the makeup and so a very concentrated types of protest very concentrated

00:18:34 of pressure on a very concentrated and small group of people. So not groundswell support

00:18:39 to all of the members of Congress, but a very narrow, focused, intentional, loud support

00:18:45 led by, again, this man, others, a small group of panel. And they caved and said, well, we'll just

00:18:51 call it a disturbance if it feels like that. And then it's the DSM, I think it's four that it's

00:18:58 removed then uh at 1987 so the dsm-3 removes it all together yeah it's right there space of 20

00:19:06 years concentrated protest concentrated effort threats being loud and people kind of saying hey

00:19:12 this is my journey this is my decision we're the expert on our own lives and in 20 years you have

00:19:17 hey you know what homosexuality may not be normal but it's not a mental disease like it was defined

00:19:23 as 20 years ago yeah right yeah i was just going to say quickly i mean this issue i think in

00:19:29 particular sort of prototypical of of what the left the slippery slope that the sort of the

00:19:35 left is engaged in because like as you talk about uh sort of the progression towards the legalization

00:19:40 of uh um you know sodomy and same-sex marriage i mean it's like at every turn what you were hearing

00:19:47 was in this and no further right this and no further hey it's not an illness that's that's

00:19:53 all we want we don't we just don't want it to be recognized as an illness hey you know now we just

00:19:57 want a a union we want the the tax benefits of of union i just want to be able to visit my dying

00:20:04 spouse in the hospital that was a big narrative i think yeah power of attorney we want we want

00:20:08 we want these legal sort of recognitions um practically and then it's like you have a

00:20:14 burgerfeld right and by then it's like no it's the same there is no difference yeah um i've seen

00:20:20 in the chat um we got some uh just the chats filled with a bunch of gays um but west uh some

00:20:27 of the guys are picking up on the fact that you said um that uh that you should be able to fire

00:20:33 someone for being gay you want to flesh that out yeah jason matthew he asked a question he said i'm

00:20:38 i'm genuinely asking why fire for someone for being gay there's something about this sin so 0.87

00:20:43 all sins are equal in that a single sin of any category be it a white lie be it homosexuality 0.96

00:20:48 be it murder a single sin is enough to send you to hell forever because that sin is committed

00:20:53 not just against man you lied to someone else but you lied ultimately and sinned against god who is

00:20:58 a perfect infinite being who is perfectly just so a just god is going to punish you for sin so all

00:21:04 sin is categorically equal across the board in that sense in that a single sin of any category

00:21:09 is damning. And it's all equal in the eternal sense. Exactly. But not all sins are equally

00:21:14 destructive. Temporally. All equally, exactly. Eternally, all of them enough to send you to hell.

00:21:20 But temporally, here in this life, not all sins are equally as destructive. Right. I want to teach

00:21:25 my kids as a father, do not tell a white lie. And also do not murder. But I also, in addition to

00:21:31 that, want to specify and distinguish for my kids. I want them to know both are sins. But I want my

00:21:37 kids grow up and reach, you know, teenage years thinking that the consequences are the same for

00:21:43 telling a white lie or killing the neighbor, then I've failed as a father. Like the notion that in

00:21:50 the temporal sense, and when it comes to temporal effects and consequences, that all sins are equal

00:21:56 in that sense, that's simply not true. And even Jesus himself, when he's pronouncing woes, he says

00:22:01 to one will be given a light beating and to another a severe beating. So Jesus talks about

00:22:07 varying degrees of God's just punishment in hell. There are varying degrees of punishment and there

00:22:14 are varying degrees of punishment because there are varying degrees of sin. And so we have to

00:22:19 recognize that the notion that all sin is equal, period, full stop, is actually a misnomer. All sin

00:22:26 is equal in its ability to separate you from communion with the triune God forever, if not

00:22:32 repented of and atoned for by the death of Jesus Christ and having faith in him and what he did

00:22:38 for you on the cross. So all sin is equal in that instance, in that sense, but not all sin is equal

00:22:44 in its temporal effects and its temporal consequences. There are varying degrees of

00:22:49 consequences for our sin, and there are varying degrees of judgment in the life to come. You'll

00:22:55 go to hell, apart from salvation, which is in Christ alone. But even in hell, there will be

00:23:01 more severe and lighter forms of judgment. Yep. So for example, like, my parents are still sinners,

00:23:08 but I would happily have them watch my children. Right. You can say, well, your parents are

00:23:12 sinners, and a gay man is a sinner too. Well, here's one reason why you shouldn't employ them. 1.00

00:23:17 They're gross. You've said it before, and I'll say it again, and this is not for little ears, 0.89

00:23:22 What's the defining aspect of homosexuality among men? 0.99

00:23:26 Butt sex. 0.99

00:23:27 Literally. 1.00

00:23:28 There's statistics and studies out there. 1.00

00:23:29 Something like over 50% of gay men engage in fecal play within the gay community. 1.00

00:23:34 It's called bug chasing, where men that don't have HIV will chase to find other men that have HIV and ask them to give it to them. 0.99

00:23:42 I knew a guy in the military who got HIV because he was a gay. 0.52

00:23:46 and he literally posted online about how other gay men would come up to him and ask him to give

00:23:51 him hiv and they do it because they say it's an incredible high it's an incredible euphoric 0.70

00:23:56 perverse experience so you have i run a machine shop right this is a gay man i'm just asking him 0.84

00:24:03 to come in and you know take widget one put it over and connect it to widget two i mean what 0.98

00:24:08 does being gay have anything to do with that well uh he's a disgusting person and what he indulges 0.93

00:24:13 and privately, Paul specifies in Romans 1, this is the one sin he really mentions. He says when 1.00

00:24:19 people reject God and reject his natural order, he specifies men leaving their natural use of the

00:24:25 woman burned in lust towards other men. And then he takes women and he says in the same way they 0.92

00:24:30 left the man and they burned in lust for one another. One of the final stages of rejecting

00:24:35 God and rejecting the world that he's made. The sin that Paul highlights and talks about at length

00:24:40 in the first chapter of his grand exposition of the gospel is burning in lust for one another.

00:24:46 And he categorizes that and he says they receive in themselves the due recompense. They destroy

00:24:52 their bodies. Gay men without HIV, their life expectancy is 30 years less than a heterosexual 1.00

00:24:57 man. They have dozens, hundreds, if not some of them, thousands of sexual partners across their 0.79

00:25:03 lifetime. They engage in recreational drug use, alcohol abuse, sadomasochism. These are disgusting

00:25:08 people that I would not want in my business, that I would not want to be friends with in my personal 0.98

00:25:12 life. That's just how it is. And you don't have to be ashamed to say that. Disgust is a perfectly,

00:25:18 wonderfully Christian response. And for the record, it's not either or. It can be both and. 0.96

00:25:24 You can have genuine compassion for someone who is a sinner that is in need of the grace of God.

00:25:30 You're praying for them. You're evangelizing them. You can have a genuine spiritual compassion for

00:25:36 the sinner who is at odds with God that you want to see ultimately reconciled the same way that we

00:25:42 were reconciled to God by the grace of Jesus Christ and his finished work on the cross. You

00:25:46 can have compassion and also simultaneously be disgusted. There should be a revulsion. That is

00:25:53 the natural response. Any heterosexual man, even if he's not a Christian, they've done studies on 0.70

00:26:01 this, that heterosexual men, if they see two men displaying public affection or kissing in public, 0.99

00:26:07 they see two men kissing, they find it equally, if not more revolting than a picture of maggots. 0.98

00:26:15 And that's not just a Christian response. That is the stereotypical general male response, 0.97

00:26:22 believer or not, heterosexual male response to homosexual public displays of affection. And 0.65

00:26:28 that is a natural response that's not actually sinful uh that is the way that we should think 1.00

00:26:34 about homosexual activity that's god please save them lord have mercy help them to repent of that 0.88

00:26:41 sin hey can i share the gospel with you and also that's gross hey alan said oh you just sounded 0.95

00:26:48 really compassionate reeling off those statistics it is a compassion and mercy to warn people yeah 0.98

00:26:54 you will live 30 years less on average yes if you are gay yep and i say that with the severity 0.97

00:27:00 and like the not the soft tone i say that to say if you're even thinking about it or you're half 0.99

00:27:05 in half out run not just because it will destroy your soul it will destroy your body too you could

00:27:11 come to christ later in life you don't get those years back and you don't get the damage back

00:27:15 coming to christ does not cure you of hiv the resurrection will but in your body it does not

00:27:21 fix it right that's right all right let's go to our first commercial break and we will come right

00:27:25 back so welcome back we've made the point before we did a couple episodes during pride month it

00:27:30 was this year and especially the last year you can look up that episode shocking facts about

00:27:35 pride month we focused a lot on just the individuals themselves not getting into the

00:27:39 idea of family and adoption but i think we would all agree even what's the most pernicious about

00:27:44 this is not just the platforming of two men as if that's a normal coupling and it makes up a marriage

00:27:49 that in and of itself is terrible and it's normalizing but what goes even farther than

00:27:53 this is the fact that these two dads have a set of boys that they've adopted so i'm gonna read

00:27:59 your tweet here you tweeted this out i think it was really well said you said to be clear chip

00:28:03 and joanna gains are not normalizing different kinds of families that's a rhetoric you would

00:28:08 hear that's what well that's what they said we're just normalizing different kinds you know want to

00:28:12 show you know an equal representation of different kinds of families so i put that in quotation marks

00:28:16 exactly so they're not normalizing just different kind of families what they're actually normalizing

00:28:21 is the industry of human trafficking where baby boys are knowingly sold to perverted men

00:28:27 who have the highest likelihood of sexually abusing them yep banger i was so real for that 0.98

00:28:34 so real for that so real for that well i can even just say this before you even get into gay men

00:28:39 adopting one of the the biggest predictor by far not just like well there's maybe a 10 higher risk

00:28:46 the biggest predictor by far of abuse of a child be that physical or sexual is a nine non-biological

00:28:52 parent in the home so this is even if it's it's a mother for some reason the dad is not in the

00:28:57 picture maybe he passed away and there's a stepfather that increases the likelihood in

00:29:02 some studies i think it's over a hundred percent it's not alcohol abuse it's not a dysfunctional

00:29:06 marriage it's not socioeconomic status it's not race the biggest predictor for a sexual abuse of

00:29:11 children is a non-biological parent in the home. Your children, there's just, God created it that 0.99

00:29:19 way, that those that they look like us, they're like us, we share the home with them together,

00:29:26 that we're bound to them a certain way that it makes any type of mistreatment, misuse,

00:29:31 it makes it almost unthinkable. So even before we get into gay men, which is again the most 0.80

00:29:36 perverted end state of rejecting nature before you even get into that just even a parent in the home 1.00

00:29:42 in a heterosexual couple even increases the risk when you get to homosexuals there are of course 0.97

00:29:48 no definitive studies on this where you go in and say like yeah it turns out 60 more likely to

00:29:53 sexually abuse but i want to call attention to a story that this is a couple years old

00:29:57 but this is honestly if you were going to say like well there's the groomers and some try to do this

00:30:04 Like Spencer Clavin, son of Andrew Clavin on the Daily Wire.

00:30:07 He tries to say like, hey, there's groomers, but us normal gays, Spencer is gay, us normal gays, we separate ourselves.

00:30:14 We're not like that.

00:30:15 It's the L and the G and the B, but not the T.

00:30:18 And just to be clear, Andrew Clavin has publicly several times and still to this day defends his son and believes that his son is Christian and that it's compatible.

00:30:29 Andrew Clavin would basically, he'd frame it by saying, yeah, well, it's not ideal and it's not normative.

00:30:34 And, you know, he says like for myself, you know, the natural, you know, instinct and desire is

00:30:38 that I would have grandchildren. I'm not going to have grandchildren because my son is a homosexual 1.00

00:30:42 and can't procreate. But he would still say that I've heard him say this publicly where he says, 0.96

00:30:47 I'm actually really proud of my son, the courage that it took. And I actually think that's more

00:30:53 true. He's being more true to his relationship with Jesus. So he doesn't just say my son, you

00:30:58 know, is it's not just Andrew Klavan has a gay son and he's saying, man, that's a shame, but he's

00:31:03 actually saying i have a gay son who is a faithful christian man and the homosexual lifestyle and

00:31:08 that deliberate continual choice that my son is making is compatible with christianity not the

00:31:14 norm not ideal but it is permissible and it is compatible um and andrew clavin of course is a

00:31:20 professing christian and people just need to be aware um that yeah like i mean when you think of

00:31:25 the daily wire you have ben shapiro he's not a christian he's a jew and then you have spencer 0.69

00:31:30 Clavin, who is, I mean, he's carving out excuses for one of the clearest sins. Andrew Clavin. 0.85

00:31:36 Yeah, Andrew Clavin. Carving out an excuse for one of the clearest sins in the case of his son.

00:31:42 This is, yeah, like you just, when you look to big con, you know, big conservative ink,

00:31:50 it really is in many ways a con. That's precisely what it is with conservatives like these who

00:31:55 needs liberals. And just to be clear, having a son, heaven forbid, that chose to sin in this way,

00:32:02 that'd be so hard for a father. But Jesus himself says, you just preached on that, Joel. Yeah. Like

00:32:06 that is the cost of following Jesus. My son says, please accept me in this life. Please come to my

00:32:11 wedding. Please spend the holidays with me. Just approve of what I choose to do. That sometimes is

00:32:17 the cost of following Jesus is saying, I can't. I serve a higher master. I won't. Right. So getting

00:32:23 to this story again spencer clave and others they would try to say like well there's the normal gays

00:32:28 and then there's there's the groomers and the pride parade and all of that one of the most

00:32:32 quintessential like no these are the good gays would be a couple couple used in quotation marks

00:32:37 from atlanta georgia and about two years ago they were thrown in jail wealthy gay couple i'm reading

00:32:42 a headline here on the screen wealthy gay couple who raped their adopted boys given 100 years in

00:32:49 prison. Zachary and William Zulock will spend the rest of their lives behind bars after pleading

00:32:54 guilty to multiple charges. And I'm not going to go into detail everything that they did, but

00:33:00 they prostituted them. Two gay men, rich men here in the Atlanta area, not here, but in the United 0.66

00:33:05 States. This is not overseas. This is not in Pakistan. Here in Georgia, they were wealthy.

00:33:10 So these were not men. And it's like, oh my goodness, how do I rank rent this month? I live

00:33:13 san francisco no wealthy gay men who had that picture perfect you can see in the screen if you

00:33:19 saw it a moment ago they're all wearing t-shirts that says love is love uh well i mean surely

00:33:25 they're the normal ones and they take care of their kids right and and they're just a loving

00:33:29 family that looks a little different no they were prostituting and filming the sexual abuse of their

00:33:35 children but well what is love is love and what is pride month it's that yeah and just again to be

00:33:42 clear uh what west is saying is they did not just merely abuse the children sexually themselves no

00:33:47 but they pimped out their adopted boys the boys that they harvested and bought with cash from 0.98

00:33:54 their mothers that they stripped them away from and then they pimped them out sold them to homosexual 0.98

00:34:01 sodomite man after man after man after man and they're in jail presumably because um 0.98

00:34:07 um they could not get a flight quick enough to israel where most pedophiles actually go and live

00:34:14 out their days in freedom right israel has a non-extradition policy so they don't extradite

00:34:19 uh people in their country hey they're charged with this well yeah israel no seriously israel 0.71

00:34:24 statistically um is home and houses and defends uh more pedophiles than any you know in any country

00:34:33 yeah that i know of so when you look at chip and joanna gaines who again made their living for the

00:34:38 most part on christians christians who appreciated their aesthetic christians who appreciated their

00:34:42 business if you go to waco texas they have it's called magnolia farms and it's it's got a little

00:34:47 church there and a baseball diamond and it sells hot dogs and it's kind of portrayed as the

00:34:51 picturesque kind of americana scene there this is what good wholesome american the american spirit

00:34:58 feels like spending time with family spending time with one another going to church and you know as it

00:35:03 turns out and hey just a little bit of this on the side now the people that do this well we disagree

00:35:10 with that but we'll happily normalize it just right up until that point like that's how you get to this

00:35:15 how do you get to this removing it as a mental disorder removing it altogether allowing marriage

00:35:21 and then allowing adoption like there's even countries in europe china itself has banned

00:35:26 adoption of children by gay couples funny enough with this story not funny enough but it was a

00:35:31 christian adoption agency that gave these two kids to these men so at every step of the story well

00:35:38 who's normalizing this and who's allowing it to happen and who's kind of lulling christians to

00:35:42 sleep well you know they're just a different kind of family well it's people like chip and joanna

00:35:48 yep yeah it was a christian adoption agency that uh that gave these two boys to two men

00:35:55 who prostituted them out and are now spending their life in prison, which is not just. 0.97

00:36:03 Justice would be for them to be hung. 0.97

00:36:06 Okay.

00:36:06 Yeah, I was just going to say, I mean, I wanted to bring up the topic of shame,

00:36:11 which is ought to be attached to sin in society.

00:36:16 And, you know, hearing, you know, Wes talk about these things and you talk about these things,

00:36:20 I mean, it's tough.

00:36:21 It's tough to hear.

00:36:22 It frankly is pretty jarring.

00:36:25 But it needs to be heard because this is actually, it is this perversion precisely to which the shame sort of emerges or emerges from, right?

00:36:35 Like when you know that these acts and this lifestyle is associated with these kinds of heinous acts, there is naturally a revulsion and a sense of shame that washes over you for people who are doing these sorts of things.

00:36:54 um and um and that's frankly i was just reflecting on it like i think this is one of the unique areas

00:37:00 not unique but one of the more prominent areas where shame has gone out of the window yeah and

00:37:08 that's truly like i think from a christian perspective what we're trying to um reattach

00:37:14 to this to the to homosexuals and sodomy because frankly it's like uh those arguments of like oh 0.80

00:37:23 we're just like you. And, um, you know, we just want what you want. We want to, you know, join 0.98

00:37:28 in the bond of love. I think Gavin Newsom once said, um, many decades ago, like, uh, that's,

00:37:35 that's not true. Right. No, it's, um, there was a book I read years ago. That was a good little

00:37:41 book, simple, but, but profound. Uh, but it was called the grace of shame. And, uh, and it was

00:37:47 just talking about how shame actually is a grace. Um, you see the apostle Paul, I forget which,

00:37:51 letter it is in the New Testament, but where he says, have nothing more to do with them.

00:37:57 Somebody who's a repeat offender when it comes to sin and is unrepentant, right? So you've gone to

00:38:02 him, you've corrected him, you've tried to win your brother over following, you know, the steps

00:38:06 of church discipline. He's just digging his heels in and doubling down on his sin with no remorse,

00:38:12 no repentance. And it reaches a point where, as far as the church is concerned, so this is

00:38:17 separate from what the state should do in terms of legislation and carrying out, you know,

00:38:22 sentences for crimes, but those things which are sins in the realm of the church, the apostle Paul

00:38:27 says, I have nothing more to do with him so that he might be ashamed. And there's supposed to be,

00:38:34 there really is a grace of shame. And the grace portion of shame is that God uses shame for sin

00:38:42 in all of our lives, my life included, to drive us to repentance. Christianity does not create

00:38:50 this. I've heard people say this, well, Christianity is a shame-free zone or a guilt-free

00:38:54 zone. No, Christianity intensifies shame and intensifies guilt, but the heart of the gospel

00:39:01 is not that it makes shame disappear, but that Christianity intensifies our shame that we

00:39:07 rightfully feel for real sin, but provides a source where shame can be covered and dealt with.

00:39:13 So as a Christian, because my body is a temple of the Holy Spirit and he convicts me of sin,

00:39:19 I actually feel more, not less, but more shame and more guilt for my sin. And what the gospel

00:39:24 does is it doesn't create this shame-free zone, but it creates a focal point where I can run,

00:39:32 where my shame ultimately can be atoned for and covered. And that's the cross of Jesus Christ.

00:39:37 I've said it before, but I'll say it again. In a godly society and a healthy, prosperous, good

00:39:43 society, there's only two places for the homosexual to run, and that's either to the closet or to the 1.00

00:39:52 cross. He can repent and be welcomed and esteemed and loved and accepted in society at large,

00:39:58 or he has to go to the closet. Here's the reality that we just have to recognize.

00:40:03 it's not whether but which not whether but which this idea of just having a neutral public square

00:40:10 was always a myth it was always a myth it never happened all we ultimately did was we traded

00:40:15 one set of dogma one orthodoxy one set of virtues for another and and the reality is someone will

00:40:23 always be societally speaking someone will always be in the closet and that's precisely what chip

00:40:29 and Joanna Gaines are actually trying to do what you see Chip doing is he's stop shaming people 0.99

00:40:34 as he shames you as he shames Christians right you dirty bigot you close-minded you know Neanderthal 1.00

00:40:44 you're not willing to learn you're stupid right you're not willing to listen you're insensitive 1.00

00:40:49 you're not compassionate what is he doing he's shaming people so it's not whether or not someone 1.00

00:40:54 will be shamed. It's simply a matter of the question of who will be shamed. And here's the

00:41:00 deal. It's either going to be perverse sinners or God-fearing Christians. Society cannot accept 1.00

00:41:08 them both. We will naturally, no matter what form of government we have, no matter what we say on

00:41:13 paper, naturally what will play out in the culture at large is that these two groups that are

00:41:19 philosophically and substantively and diametrically opposed to one another, they will not both be

00:41:26 equally tolerated and accepted. One will be shamed and the other will be heralded and esteemed.

00:41:33 And what we've seen in our culture over the past four or five decades is we've actually seen 0.91

00:41:40 Bible, not your alleged Christians, not your merely professing Christians, but Bible-believing 0.80

00:41:46 actual Christians shamed. They have been run into the closet. The kind of content that we're 0.87

00:41:53 espousing today is the kind of content, you know this, you know that if you were to have any kind

00:41:57 of conversation like this, not just in the workplace, but even with certain friends and

00:42:02 certain family members, you know that the consequence would be that you would be looked

00:42:08 at as though you were sinister, as though you were the Joker from Batman, as though you should

00:42:15 be locked behind bars. You would be immediately shamed. So it's not whether but which. It's not 0.51

00:42:21 whether we'll have a certain sector of our society that is shamed. It's simply which sector of

00:42:29 society will be shamed. And right now, lately, in modernity in the West, what we've opted for

00:42:35 is shaming Christians. So it's either Christians are going to be in the closet, and gay men, 0.99

00:42:41 without even wearing underwear with their private parts hanging out in front of children in new 0.99

00:42:48 york pride parades it'll be gay guys um that's the whole idea of pride by the way you guys got

00:42:55 to get that it's it's not enough to just oh it's two men in the privacy of their home it was never

00:42:59 about that that was just a line that was that was a facade that was just sneaky rhetoric to get

00:43:06 towards the the ultimate aim the aim was uh full-blown public uh not just acceptance but

00:43:13 praise esteem public pride right so so think of that what's the opposite of shame a feeling a

00:43:22 sense of pride a sense of pride so so what you're going to have is you're going to have one group

00:43:27 there's a sense of pride right and the other group there's a sense of shame and and uh to

00:43:34 have pride in sodomites is necessarily, by default, by way of consequence, it is to shame those who

00:43:44 are against homosexuality. And so what we've done over the past few decades is we've simply

00:43:49 reversed it. It's not that we've become a tolerant society where everyone is accepted. No way.

00:43:53 We just traded which group is accepted and which group is demonized. So Christians now go in the 1.00

00:43:59 cause it so that sodomites can come out and diddle kids yeah that's where we are shame is such a 0.99

00:44:05 like there's you mentioned the grace of shame and i just think about even for like our children

00:44:10 there was a time when wedlock was almost unthinkable in this country and that wasn't

00:44:14 because we had huge education programs it's like on billboards and in schools and like don't do it

00:44:19 don't do it don't do it the cultural expectation was that that that is shameful to have sex without

00:44:25 the commitment of marriage and to produce children is a shameful thing. It's shameful for the woman 0.89

00:44:30 to join a man in that. It's shameful for the man to seduce and take a woman in that. That shame 1.00

00:44:36 then prevented what would be probably millions of births out of wedlock, the brokenness of the

00:44:41 family, the abuses that occurred. And it's not like, well, if we just had, again, like billboards

00:44:45 and education, if people only knew, that's not actually the best way for decreasing rates of

00:44:50 homosexuality decreasing rates of birth out of wedlock the best way is a culture that says that

00:44:56 is shameful right and then you have the grace of just you actually don't have to do a lot about it 0.96

00:45:00 there was no 1900 sodomy squad of people going through and and spying on private citizens

00:45:06 questionnaires in the town market what did you do in your bedroom this week you didn't have any of

00:45:10 that it was just expected you don't do these things so our goal is not some type of police

00:45:15 and surveillance state where like the thought if the thought even enters someone's mind they're

00:45:19 under arrest for thought crime so the thought is a normal decent upstanding public square where

00:45:25 someone even suggests the idea and they go oh that's terrible that's disgusting and then their

00:45:31 kids grow up with the like their kids don't even grow up with even thinking that that's an option

00:45:36 their default mode what are my options get married to a wonderful woman and have children

00:45:41 that's it that's the option that is a grace that's a wonderful thing compared to what we're doing now

00:45:46 the propaganda that you're having to fight against a allen in the chat he's he's a lid um

00:45:53 so he's being sarcastic but i think it's fantastic so i'm going to read he said less education more

00:45:59 shame what a great policy so true king i agree that that really is i mean he put it succinctly

00:46:05 it's concise it's uh it's profound less education and simply more shame it's not just hey this

00:46:11 here's all the statistics and all the facts, right? Ben Shapiro has famously said, facts don't

00:46:17 care about your feelings. But the reality is that people's feelings often don't care about your

00:46:22 facts. So it's not just simply saying, well, here's the facts and let me educate you. And if

00:46:26 you were just properly informed, then you would naturally come to the correct conclusions and

00:46:31 develop the correct convictions. No, there are plenty of people who have seen the facts. They

00:46:36 simply don't care because they care about their feelings more than their facts. So in the same

00:46:40 way facts don't care about feelings. Well, people's feelings often don't care about facts.

00:46:44 And what you're doing when it comes to shame, and it is a biblical grace, it's actually a tool

00:46:49 in our disposal as Christians, the Bible talks about this, wielding the grace of shame in order

00:46:55 to incentivize good behavior and deter people from societally destructive behavior. And the reality

00:47:04 we want to do both so so we actually do want to present facts and and educate but then we also

00:47:10 you do that and and you know in the kind of this education sphere but then in the cultural sphere

00:47:15 we also want there to be um the the um emotional appealing to the pathos right so it's and the

00:47:23 passions like that it's actually both and and when it even comes to you know preaching right i've

00:47:28 been preaching for um about 10 years at this point and good sermons like when you look at some of the

00:47:34 best preachers of all time. You look at the Puritans, right? You look at Charles Spurgeon,

00:47:37 the Prince of Preachers. You look at John Gill or, you know, like all these different guys,

00:47:42 John Knox. A good preacher would have light and heat, is what the Puritans would say. Light and

00:47:49 heat. Light, the exposition, opening, the illuminating of the Word of God. So it's the

00:47:54 exegeting. This is what the text means. Here are the facts, right? But then the heat would be

00:48:00 bringing it to bear, right? The passions and the pathos of the preacher compelling the people. You

00:48:06 think of Jonathan Edwards, one of the most famous sermons ever preached, Sinners in the Hands of an

00:48:11 Angry God. And, you know, witnesses said that there were claw marks, scratch marks in the back

00:48:18 of the pews where somebody sitting the row behind was like so uncomfortable, because he's using

00:48:24 illustrations, right? He's not just using facts, he's using descriptive languages and analogies

00:48:30 and illustrations. He talks about a spider hanging just by one thread over an open flame, you know,

00:48:38 and this is all that's just a breath, and the breath in your lungs that God himself is sustaining

00:48:43 that could stop at any moment, that's all that's separating you from ultimately the just wrath,

00:48:48 white-hot wrath of a thrice holy God, and so cling to Christ, run to Christ, and so there's

00:48:55 the facts of scripture, but then there's also this emotional, powerful, profound appeal. Both

00:49:01 are important. So yeah, let's educate people, but also let's deter people culturally in society at

00:49:09 large through shame, shaming people for bad behavior. And the reality is we already do this,

00:49:15 right? When it comes to drunk driving, how many ads, right? How much effort has been put into

00:49:21 commercials where a guy gets drunk and in the commercial, you know, he doesn't just kill

00:49:26 himself, but he kills a whole family to where anybody who sees, you know, some guy swerving,

00:49:30 he's drunk. You, you feel like this vitriolic anger. You're not just like, oh, he's breaking

00:49:35 the law, you know, like beep, boop, beep, beep, boop. I'm, I am Spock, you know, a robot. And

00:49:40 I'm going to like, no, you actually feel emotional about it. You're like, how dare this idiot 1.00

00:49:46 endanger the lives of this soccer mom with her van filled with kids on the way home and he's 1.00

00:49:52 risking the lives of children by being drunk behind the you feel an emotional response because

00:49:58 you've been trained you've been trained to actually despise it and and so if you know you pull up next

00:50:04 to the guy you roll down your window you're honking on the horn and and you call the cops also

00:50:08 but you're honking on the horn and and if he rolls down his window you're going to shout through the

00:50:13 window how dare you you should be ashamed right so we all are familiar with this kind of interaction

00:50:21 in culture at large so then the only question is um is homosexual behavior is it actually a 0.76

00:50:29 detriment to society like other things like drunk drivingness and the answer is yes it absolutely is 0.80

00:50:36 it degrades society it's not just private between you and your partner in your bedroom no it actually

00:50:43 pulls down, it drags all of society down to the lowest common denominator, to the basis

00:50:50 appetites of perverted men. And therefore, it's something that we should know, we should be

00:50:55 educated on the statistics and the scripture for why it is morally wrong. But we should also even

00:51:01 feel in an emotional sense, this is a shame. This is how dare you should be the kind of response.

00:51:10 So, yes, let's educate people, but also, so true, a great point.

00:51:15 Let's also shame.

00:51:16 Yeah, and I'll just say quickly on the matter of education to cite, you know, R.J.

00:51:21 Rushdooney and the Institutes of Biblical Law.

00:51:22 He talks about both the positive and negative elements of the Old Testament law, the case

00:51:28 law, that is.

00:51:29 And he talks about both the law as a teacher in its punitive sense, but also the law of

00:51:35 a teacher as a teacher in its shame oriented sense.

00:51:39 Preventative sense.

00:51:40 Preventative.

00:51:41 Yeah, exactly.

00:51:41 Prevents, but then also punishes.

00:51:43 So shame, in that way, shame is educating people

00:51:46 in the basest, simplest way possible

00:51:49 to be revolted, to be incensed, upset,

00:51:54 righteously indignant about something

00:51:57 without having to think through conceptually,

00:52:00 on a rational basis, why that thing might be wrong.

00:52:03 Actually, it's wrong because God said it's wrong.

00:52:05 And that's all you need to know.

00:52:07 I remember in the military, 0.69

00:52:08 this was right around when don't act don't tell was repealed and we had a gay sergeant so we had

00:52:12 some type of ethics class and he said hey can anyone on a non-religious basis make an argument

00:52:18 against homosexuality at the time i didn't know i was opposed to it because i was a christian

00:52:22 but i remember not necessarily kind of knowing the facts but now i realize too oh the facts are

00:52:27 also there as well so when god commanded against this and against that he also wove into nature

00:52:33 hey and also it will destroy you if you do it and that's what we're warning people about right and

00:52:39 there always are facts so even if you can't see them right just like a child should trust their

00:52:43 parent their parents like hey get out of the street you can't i told you to stay in the front

00:52:47 yard you can't play in the street and you're yelling not not even because you're mad but

00:52:50 you're trying to be urgent and immediately get your child out of the street and the child you

00:52:54 know who's four years old or whatever it is which a four-year-old should not be playing in the front

00:52:58 yard unintended but just humor the illustration for a moment here you walk outside your child's

00:53:04 in the middle of the street um and you yell and say get out of the street well the child doesn't

00:53:08 understand probably at that moment the reasons for why why they can't play in the street and you

00:53:13 know if it's the child doesn't have a good relationship with their father or their mother

00:53:17 the parent that's urging them insisting that they get out of the street they might be tempted to

00:53:21 think you know mom or dad is just trying to steal my joy they're just trying to you know mitigate

00:53:26 my fun they just they just don't want me to be happy right the street is we all know that the

00:53:31 street is the most joyful place for children to frolic and play and mom and dad just hate me and

00:53:37 want to steal my joy but we all know that's not actually the reason and when the child matures

00:53:40 and gets older they realize oh mom mom and dad didn't want me in the street because cars hit kids

00:53:46 in the street well so it is with the law of god god is our heavenly father um and and what i what

00:53:53 I want to articulate real quick before we go to our second commercial break is simply this.

00:53:56 God is not capricious. God is not capricious. He's not arbitrary. He's not mean-spirited. So

00:54:04 that which he deems as being morally right is also that which leads towards life and health

00:54:10 and happiness. The right thing is the good thing, right? So you'll never find a case in all of

00:54:16 scripture where something is right but not good, or something is good but not right. Right meaning

00:54:22 morally right. Good mean temporally and eternally, most importantly, beneficial. Lending towards

00:54:30 prosperity. Lending towards, I hate this word because it's overused by a bunch of, you know,

00:54:34 lib Christian ministries, but lending towards flourishing, right? So the good thing is the

00:54:39 right thing. And the right thing is the good thing. And if you know from the Word of God that

00:54:45 something is deemed as being right or, you know, on the other side of the aisle, being wrong like 0.91

00:54:50 homosexuality, and you can't see why God has called it wrong, you can't see why this thing 0.79

00:54:56 which God has deemed as being morally wrong is also bad, that it's not beneficial, that it's 0.82

00:55:02 degrading, that it's a liability, that it's harmful and destructive for you and for others.

00:55:07 If you can't see why, the why is important. But in the meantime, if you believe that God is a

00:55:14 father and that he's a good heavenly father, a perfect father, then you should be able to have

00:55:21 a good faith disposition towards your heavenly father and recognize God would not say that

00:55:27 something was bad or wrong, morally wrong, if it wasn't also bad, right? That God is not capricious.

00:55:36 He's a good father. He's not trying to steal your fun. He's not, think of Gandalf and Bilbo. I'm not

00:55:41 trying to rob you i'm trying to help you let's go to our last commercial break and we'll be right

00:55:47 back i have a white pill for you guys we are winning this fight yeah i would say the high

00:55:52 watermark 2021 2022 we've mentioned it many times but there was broad cultural support for gay

00:56:00 marriage for lgbtq rights almost every statistic we have maybe supports holding steady among

00:56:05 independents and democrats but it is cratering among the religious even the main lines are

00:56:10 We're seeing a pretty big decline in the amount of individuals, practitioners that approve of it.

00:56:14 We're certainly seeing in the Republican Party.

00:56:16 We're seeing in the youth.

00:56:18 You spend five minutes on Instagram reels, and you will realize that Gen Z is based.

00:56:23 And so to provide encouragement, even this backlash with Chip and Joanna Gaines,

00:56:27 other creators are going to say, oh, I saw what happened to them.

00:56:31 They got the Bud Light treatment.

00:56:33 Even if I personally, kind of on the fence, you know, kind of don't like it,

00:56:38 but this is also kind of the crowd I run in.

00:56:39 And that was just a warning shot that if you're supporters, the people that support you, buy your stuff, watch your shows, that's 50% that are salt of the earth, blue-collar Christians.

00:56:50 They're going to come out with pitchforks when you try to normalize this disgusting lifestyle on other people. 0.52

00:56:55 And so just to say practically for the listener, was it press on, pray on?

00:57:01 Yeah. Shout on, pray on, we're gaining ground. Shout on, pray on, we're gaining ground.

00:57:05 And it is true on this issue and others, but on this issue especially, we're gaining ground.

00:57:09 And you know what?

00:57:10 It turns out like many things with this kind of like total defeat of the left, which it,

00:57:14 I mean, there's still a ton more work to be done, but, um, turns out one of the most profound

00:57:19 arguments against gays is gays, right? 1.00

00:57:23 You just, you just let them kind of do their thing.

00:57:26 It's like, okay, fine.

00:57:26 You know, all right.

00:57:27 You, you, you've just, you've been screeching and wailing about, oh, we want our rights.

00:57:31 We want our freedom.

00:57:32 You know, like, and so we'll give it to you. 0.99

00:57:34 And immediately they're like, let's dress up as drag queens and go to school libraries 1.00

00:57:38 and try to get people's kids to sit in our laps oh that's why that's why we don't like gays 0.99

00:57:45 that's right you're all a bunch of pedos that's right there was 2020 the mask off moment uh san 1.00

00:57:52 francisco gay men's choir literally sang a song it was the whole choir we'll convert your children 0.99

00:57:58 we're coming for your children and they literally one of the lines was saying like you know like oh 0.79

00:58:03 you're you're bigots and you're extremists and you use all this hyperbolic stuff that's not

00:58:07 actually true uh but one of the lines of the song he says like uh funny in this instance right funny

00:58:12 this time you're right we'll convert your children and people like oh it's a joke no it wasn't no

00:58:19 no they literally they probably honestly they could have won but here's the deal they had to 0.53

00:58:23 wait 10 more years to molest kids they couldn't do it yeah they were winning that's what it would

00:58:28 have taken it would have required sodomite men to hold off from molesting children for 10 years

00:58:36 And as we found out, they can't do it.

00:58:39 Praise God.

00:58:39 They couldn't do it.

00:58:40 Great.

00:58:41 You're done.

00:58:41 Well, thanks for joining us.

00:58:42 We're going to get to some super chats and land the plane here.

00:58:45 We've got our first one, Baptist 702, faithful supporter.

00:58:48 It says, I used to identify as bisexual.

00:58:50 Well, first of all, they gave $10. 0.54

00:58:52 Thank you, Baptist 702.

00:58:53 But this message is even greater.

00:58:55 I used to live and identify as bisexual before turning back to Christ. 0.89

00:58:58 Praise God. 0.70

00:58:59 The lies and deception of the world, the flesh, and the devil are difficult to turn from.

00:59:03 But the truth in Christ is far greater.

00:59:05 Amen.

00:59:05 Anyone, just to even say, certainly some of the temporal effects will not go away, 0.85

00:59:10 but it does not matter what homosexual you are. 0.84

00:59:13 The homosexual who turns from sin and turns to Christ, that's Paul in 1 Corinthians, 0.97

00:59:17 such were some of you. 0.98

00:59:19 And he lists homosexuals. 0.99

00:59:20 You were homosexual. 1.00

00:59:21 You slept with over 1,000 men, but you were washed by the blood of Jesus. 1.00

00:59:24 No one, while still alive in this earth, is too far gone.

00:59:28 Amen.

00:59:29 Amen.

00:59:30 G.M. Raptor.

00:59:32 Is that an M?

00:59:33 I can't see.

00:59:33 Yeah, I think so.

00:59:34 EM Raptor. Super chat, $2. Thanks, Raptor. We appreciate it. He says, thoughts on Megan

00:59:40 Basham's take on the situation. So Megan Basham is, she's getting dragged, as the kids would say, 0.89

00:59:47 on the interwebs. So not hot. She came out, you know, defending Andrew Klavan as Andrew Klavan 0.97

00:59:56 was defending his son, Spencer Klavan, who is a homosexual. And she kind of, you know, 0.80

01:00:02 like Megan Basham has been clear. I want to give her credit. She's been clear that she believes

01:00:06 homosexuality is objectively sinful, right? So she is a Bible-believing Christian. She's an 0.96

01:00:13 evangelical, very much kind of in the MacArthur camp, probably theologically in a lot of ways.

01:00:18 She's always been a strong appreciator for John MacArthur, who is now in glory with the Lord

01:00:25 Jesus Christ and reunited with his friend Sproul. I saw a meme. It was really funny. It was a picture,

01:00:30 AI generated picture of MacArthur on one side and Sproul on another sitting and laughing

01:00:34 and talking together in heaven and Sproul said what took you so long because he died in 2017

01:00:38 so MacArthur you know outlived him by you know eight years and so Sproul was like what took

01:00:43 you so long MacArthur answered back and said I never liked cigarettes which Sproul his lucky

01:00:49 stripe cigarette Sproul was a he was a tobacco appreciator so yeah so Meg Basham she's very much

01:00:58 in that camp, a big respecter of John MacArthur. And my point is just to say that Meg Basham is a

01:01:06 conservative Christian, and I wouldn't say otherwise. And I've had some interactions

01:01:09 with her, and she's a wonderful woman in many regards, so I don't mean to disrespect her or

01:01:14 give her a hard time. But I do think that she's wrong on this one. She kind of did what I think

01:01:20 a lot of times women are more vulnerable to, which is part of the reason why I don't particularly 1.00

01:01:25 like women as lead voices in the public sphere. I don't think that they're suited and called 1.00

01:01:33 towards that role in scripture because I think they'll call it compassion, but they lean too

01:01:42 hard sometimes in that direction. So Meg Basham was not saying, well, homosexuality is not a sin.

01:01:48 That's not fair at all. She never said that. She wouldn't say that, but she was kind of doing the

01:01:53 old adage of, well, hate the sin, love the sinner, right? And so she was saying like, well, we're not

01:01:58 told to hate, you know, the sinner. And then, you know, some people were pushing back and saying,

01:02:04 well, actually, there are multiple biblical texts that actually don't just say that we hate sin,

01:02:09 but that we actually hate sinners. Do I not loathe those who loathe you? But people were quoting

01:02:13 primarily the Psalms and Old Testament texts. And so then she clapped back and said, well, that's

01:02:19 the Old Testament, but we're not commanded to do that in the New Testament. And to give her

01:02:25 credit again, she's publicly been outspoken against, you know, ministers who have drifted

01:02:30 leftwards, such as Andy Stanley, with his famous sentiment of, you know, we're unhitching from the

01:02:35 Old Testament. So I know that she disagrees with that, but I think inadvertently she kind of did

01:02:41 that a little bit. Not to the degree of saying, well, homosexuality was a sin under the Old

01:02:46 covenant but it's not anymore she never said that that would not be fair um but but this you know

01:02:50 she was trying to say well but we we should be super super super loving towards uh the queer

01:02:56 um we just don't like queerness and uh and guys were saying no it's okay uh to publicly and and 0.65

01:03:02 again it's not either or i can actually have compassion and in compassion in compassion for

01:03:07 the homosexual i can publicly through social media in the public square exercise and and push 0.73

01:03:14 shame so that they might be incentivized to repent because that's what's best for them

01:03:20 and i love them and have compassion on them and want what's best for them and so first i think

01:03:25 the first misnomer was her um interpreting you know any kind of public pushing shaming um any

01:03:31 kind of public form of mockery towards a particular group of people who are you know uh not just uh

01:03:38 engaging in a sin but boasting about a particular sin um for her to say that that's not compassion

01:03:44 Well, actually, for some people, God alone sees the heart, right?

01:03:47 So that's where we don't want to judge inward motives.

01:03:50 God alone sees the heart.

01:03:51 But to say that it's not even possible to exercise shame in the public square towards

01:03:58 a particular person who is boasting about a particular sin and to say that you can't

01:04:03 do that, that it's impossible to do that without having compassion as well for that person

01:04:09 is is quite a claim um and difficult to prove uh but guys pushed back and kind of made that point

01:04:15 and she's like well you know but uh that's that's uh an old testament thing um you know in the new

01:04:21 testament uh we're not explicit uh explicitly commanded um to uh to hate sinners or to have

01:04:28 really any negative feelings towards sinners but just towards sin right so we hate the ethereal

01:04:34 you know impersonal entity of perversion but we uh but we love perverts and and i just think that

01:04:43 that's not really a good biblical hermeneutic and uh difficult to square so uh back to the question

01:04:49 that's that's my you know that's my take gm raptor is um i said it's gn uh gn oh okay i must have a

01:04:57 stigmatism or something all right no it looked like well that's why i was squinting and gave

01:05:01 it a second look so yeah gr oh my goodness i'm still seeing the m yep so yeah we're just gonna

01:05:09 call him raptor so uh it's a good question it's a fair question that would be my response is that

01:05:15 um on this particular uh instance i would say that's um that that was a meg basham l and um

01:05:22 and i you know disagree uh but at the same time um i think she's done a lot of good and so i you

01:05:28 didn't find me you know yesterday when a lot of people were piling on i i did my best to just kind

01:05:33 of stay out of it so i am grateful for a lot of her work i'm grateful i think she genuinely loves

01:05:38 the lord all those kinds of things she's certainly a christian woman a sister in christ but yeah i

01:05:43 do think that that was the wrong instinct and um you know i'm not going to draw it as a direct

01:05:50 correlation but i will at least say i'm not surprised that that this wrong conclusion came

01:05:56 from a Christian woman who has a very public-facing platform. And I do think that ordinarily,

01:06:05 as God's normative design, that the public square is not ordinarily normative conducive

01:06:14 for women. I think that it is a place for argumentation. It's a place for debate. It's a

01:06:20 place for ruling and decision making and leading and guiding. The public square, social media today

01:06:29 is the virtual public square. And when you think of, you know, even in the Proverbs where it says

01:06:33 that, you know, the godly woman, the wise woman, she praises her husband. But it's her husband

01:06:42 who sits in the city gates. In that culture, it was the city gates where that's where all the

01:06:47 women would sit, right? No, that's where the men would sit and they would deliberate and they would 1.00

01:06:52 discuss and they would plan and they would strategize and they ultimately would conclude

01:06:57 and decide decisions that were authoritative and binding for the village, for the city.

01:07:05 They would sit in the city gates. And I think that X and social media in a general sense

01:07:10 is our modern city gates. And I don't think that the city gates are, again, ordinarily normative

01:07:17 to be a place for women, to be sitting there amongst the men with their voice, exercising

01:07:25 their voice just as loudly as the men. I do think that ultimately that's a mistake. So I think Meg 0.87

01:07:30 Basham is the best of them. I think she's literally one of the best of them. I'm grateful for her. I

01:07:36 don't doubt her salvation. Of course, she's a sister in Christ. But yeah, if I was king for a

01:07:41 you know women would not be publicly for the entire world to see arguing with men online

01:07:50 yeah and i just real quick want to say something about about this you know we're called to be

01:07:58 judicious i think when it comes to how we treat um you know topics of you know confronting sin

01:08:04 so on and so forth and i think women more often than men tend to confuse sort of public and

01:08:09 private um engagement and how those differ and how you speak about something like obviously there

01:08:15 is a context in which someone approaches you know me or you and says hey look i have lived in this

01:08:22 kind of sin for 10 to 15 years um and i'm grieved by it and obviously our response isn't is is love

01:08:29 and compassion precisely i think what megan's trying to sort of um create uh or she's trying

01:08:37 of pressure people toward is saying hey we should be come back but it's like there is a difference

01:08:41 in these two different contexts you talk about the city gate the city gate is not that particular

01:08:45 context where it's highly individualized and there's elements of humility on behalf of one

01:08:51 person to another we are talking about ideas we're talking about what will win the world

01:08:57 and in those contexts it takes it takes pointedness and sometimes uncomfortable conversations

01:09:06 and confrontation and that kind of confrontation and pointedness i think is intrinsically correlated

01:09:13 and tied to masculine correct yep ethos it's it's not because it's like well that sounds sexist yes

01:09:21 i've said this so many times i can't believe i'm offended that i have to keep telling you guys this

01:09:25 yes of course i'm a sexist now i'll make the distinction i'm not a misogynist i don't hate

01:09:31 women. I am a sexist. I believe there's such a thing as women and that women exist and that 0.61

01:09:36 they're different from men. So I'm absolutely a sexist. I make no apology for that. This is one

01:09:40 of my crowning achievements. I'm very proud of that fact. I'm a proud sexist, but I'm not a

01:09:45 misogynist. I love women. And it's precisely because I love women that I want them protected 1.00

01:09:50 and I don't want them competing with men. Now in the name of sexism, right, that there's actually 0.71

01:09:54 two sexes, they are distinct, they actually exist and they have different roles. Well,

01:09:59 some of the character, defining characteristics of the woman, as we see in scripture, 1 Peter

01:10:04 chapter 3, is it, you know, men pursue strength, right? That's not 1 Peter 3, but ample scriptures

01:10:09 that talk about that, the Proverbs, the glory of the young man is his strength. And for an older

01:10:13 man, as he's sanctified, that physical strength gives way to his spiritual strength and wisdom,

01:10:18 right? His gray head, as his physical strength is fading in his old age, and his hair turns to gray,

01:10:24 it's a silver crown around his head. So the spiritual strength gives way to spiritual strength

01:10:30 in the form of wisdom. Well, so too for a woman, if we were to sum it up in a single word, it would 0.94

01:10:37 be beauty. So men's strength, when they're young, physical strength, it gives way to spiritual

01:10:42 strength, wisdom. Women, it's beauty. When they're young, it's a physical beauty that they should be

01:10:47 modest with, but they also should maintain and steward that physical beauty that God has given

01:10:53 them as a gift. And that gives way with sanctification and age to a spiritual beauty.

01:11:00 And we know that just as strength, physical strength fades, so too physical beauty fades.

01:11:05 You think of the text of scripture that says beauty is fleeting, right? Charm is deceptive

01:11:10 and beauty, physical, outward beauty is fleeting. But a woman who fears the Lord is to be praised. 0.90

01:11:15 And so now 1 Peter 3 talks about the beauty which is precious in the sight of God, which is not an 1.00

01:11:21 outward beauty, which is perishable, it fades, but it's an inward and therefore eternal imperishable

01:11:28 beauty. And then two different words, only two, that are used as the defining characteristics to

01:11:34 describe that inward and imperishable beauty, which God finds precious in his sight. And what

01:11:40 are the two words? Competitive and aggressive. No, quiet and gentle. A quiet and gentle spirit.

01:11:50 so so just that the the even just the the basic fundamental idea of putting women i've heard

01:11:57 people say um at first they you know people would say that um that x you know twitter formerly

01:12:03 twitter that it's um it's kind of like um it's it's the uh the public square you know where

01:12:08 the philosophers and debaters of this age you know they get together and duke it out and then

01:12:13 uh you know i've heard other guys say um more recently and i think this is is really accurate

01:12:18 said no it's not really the public square is the coliseum and it really is uh even the design right

01:12:24 that you're limited with characters and all this like it's it's for quick quips that are sharp

01:12:30 strong it's not for long form content right we do that on primarily uh you know in in video form

01:12:36 you know or you use substack and write an article or you do a video on youtube x is for like two

01:12:41 sentences that essentially say uh-uh you're wrong shut up you know like that's kind of that that's

01:12:47 kind of literally how fundamentally the platform is built and it's is you know from a marketing

01:12:52 standpoint it's genius you know because it's just it's just like boom boom boom boom boom boom boom

01:12:56 and everybody is kind of like the car wreck you know you're driving by and it's like you're

01:13:00 you're horrified but you can't look away you know so it attracts all these people on the sidelines

01:13:03 they're like oh snap you know donald trump is yelling at maga and maga just yelled back you

01:13:08 know and like and and so it's it's actually a great business model but the point is it really

01:13:13 is indicative, likened to the Colosseum. We don't put women in Colosseums. We don't. And we don't 1.00

01:13:20 put them in virtual Colosseum simulators. We don't. That's not the place. What is conducive

01:13:26 and indicative of a woman is beauty, not strength. And beauty, that is to be esteemed even more than

01:13:33 the physical beauty, is spiritual beauty, inward, internal beauty, which is imperishable. And that

01:13:40 is defined in a quintessential way by two primary characteristics quiet and gentle quiet and gentle

01:13:48 and so um yes uh we we want to see this is why my wife um is not on social media she has been in the

01:13:55 past um and it was different when it was like you know she's 22 years old she's single and she's on

01:14:01 social media so that she can share you know pictures of her graduation from college with

01:14:05 her grandma well now you know she's married to joel webbin being her social media experience

01:14:10 would be a little bit different these days uh by by virtue of her her um you know association with

01:14:16 me as her husband and so she just stays off um because i i don't i don't want her out there doing 0.88

01:14:23 battle and and subject to um the vitriol that we see where people would be mocking her and saying 0.99

01:14:29 this and saying that. No, my wife, her life is bliss. She is living her best life now. She's at

01:14:37 home, gets to be home full-time. Her husband provides for her and protects her, and she gets

01:14:42 to live with her five little babies at home. They're building forts in the living room. I come

01:14:47 home, and they're just having a grand old time. She doesn't miss social media at all. I've asked

01:14:53 her even a few times, would you want to make an anonymous account? Not to really even engage or

01:14:57 post, but just to see what's going on. She's like, that sounds terrible. I was like, you're right,

01:15:02 baby. What was I thinking? That is terrible. And so, yeah, so there's just men and women are

01:15:07 different in our design. Corresponding out of that, flowing out of design is a difference in

01:15:12 role, function. And with women, that function is beauty, not strength. Strength is for battle. 1.00

01:15:20 Beauty is not for war. It's not conducive with war. And the beauty that God finds most pleasing

01:15:25 and precious in his sight is an imperishable internal beauty which is defined as being quiet

01:15:31 and gentle and so yes i i do not believe that the public square much less a particular public

01:15:37 digital public square designed to be more function more like a coliseum is the proper environment 0.96

01:15:43 um to throw our wives and daughters into that's crazy yep sexist proud sexist one more question

01:15:50 all right what is it go uh i've got to read it oh here we go uh questions are this has been

01:15:57 addressed this from tmart 2323 but just wondering what the status of michael is right now big fan

01:16:02 of him and he is sorely missed hope he is well and there is no issue blessings so it was two

01:16:07 weeks ago friday was the episode we talked about the judges on the supreme court smack

01:16:12 smack down smack brown of katanji brown jackson related to immigration and michael announced on

01:16:18 the show you can go back to the very end of it what's the title real quick of that episode

01:16:21 supreme court nukes rogue judge be sure to spell rogue right if you want to find our episode be

01:16:30 be sure to spell rogue incorrectly right um us incorrect but yeah so it was it was that episode

01:16:35 and i think it was the final segment third segment michael gave a whole explanation yep

01:16:39 june 27th so he's doing great he's departing to work on some creative projects we love michael

01:16:44 um still i just saw him this week yeah yeah hung out with him this week still part of the church

01:16:50 uh loves our church we're friends and uh and it's just trying to give his emphasis to some other

01:16:55 things that he feels called to do yep yep so we have then for anyone who hasn't met this is

01:16:59 antonio he's not every single episode but a couple times a week been filling the chair and so

01:17:04 yeah that's how we're doing it going forward yeah for the rest of this year we've got some big

01:17:08 plans in the works uh for next year so we have some huge announcements uh by far we've done some

01:17:13 big announcements over the last four years or so since we started but uh this will be bigger than

01:17:17 all of them combined and multiplied by i think huge with a y 10 yeah huge these are huge um but

01:17:24 uh yeah huge things coming in 2026 and we'll be announcing it the very first week of january in

01:17:29 the year of our lord 2026 so stay tuned for that uh but just kind of as a makeshift you know interim

01:17:34 plan for the next six months finishing out 2025 what we've decided to do is have antonio part-time

01:17:40 so he'll be popping in one two times a week with our three uh episodes and then the ones where he's

01:17:45 not on uh we'll try in some instances to get a guest like we had scott turner uh scott horton

01:17:52 uh hop into the studio um on was that monday yeah that was like two days ago it feels like a year

01:17:57 ago uh two days ago we've had uh scott horton uh hop on the show and he was recently just a week

01:18:03 and a half ago on tucker carlson right um so just a just a small you guys probably haven't heard of

01:18:09 but uh just a mom and pop podcast uh carlson network so he was on the tucker carlson show

01:18:14 in person live in the studio and uh he happens to be local and we were able to connect with him

01:18:19 and uh and get him on the show and so uh antonio will be there about half the time and then we'll

01:18:23 get a guest uh when uh antonio is not either you know pipe them on remotely or if there's someone

01:18:29 local have him in the studio and there'll be a couple episodes that just wes and i'll do and

01:18:33 that'll be i think a plenty good plan to uh finish out this year and then we've got uh plans that we

01:18:39 already have had in the works for a long time, building up for 2026. All right. Is that it?

01:18:45 That's it. Feel good. Anything you want to add? No, that's everything. All right. Thanks for

01:18:48 tuning in. And Lord willing, we will see you this Friday. God bless.

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The NXR Podcast - July 16, 2025

THE LIVESTREAM - Chip & Joanna Gaines Betray Their Christian Base

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