The NXR Podcast - THE LIVESTREAM - Chip & Joanna Gaines Betray Their Christian Base

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00:00:26.800 chip and joanna gaines put the gay back in games they have betrayed their entire christian base 0.70

00:00:37.140 they built their audience primarily off of christian soccer moms driving their suburbans

00:00:43.800 or their honda odyssey minivans living in the suburbs and buying all the different trinkets

00:00:49.900 from magnolia then they turn around and slap them in the face they have a new tv show i believe it's

00:00:56.740 called Frontier, kind of like a survivor type of show. And they've chosen, selected one of their

00:01:03.740 families to be a homosexual couple, two men who are allegedly married, who have adopted, right? 0.70

00:01:12.420 This will shock you. They adopted two boys. Have you noticed it's always boys? I mean, it really 0.52

00:01:20.660 is always boys whether you're dave rubin allegedly a conservative adopting twin boys with your gay 0.97

00:01:27.620 partner or whether you're sam altman adopting a boy or whether you're this gay couple on chip

00:01:33.520 and joanna's tv show again it's always adopting boys it's not a coincidence it's not and we

00:01:39.840 shouldn't treat it as a coincidence we should acknowledge it what for exactly what it is it's

00:01:44.280 human trafficking, baby boys, ripping them away from their mothers, paying money, selling boys 0.92

00:01:51.280 on the market and purchasing them with money for gay men who have the highest statistical 1.00

00:01:59.600 likelihood of sexually abusing those boys. Now, whether or not this gay couple has done that, 1.00

00:02:05.280 I don't know. I'm not omniscient, but I know that gay men have the highest likelihood of 1.00

00:02:11.940 sexualizing and abusing boys, and they tend to always adopt boys. Now, I couldn't help but 1.00

00:02:19.000 somewhat find a little bit of a silver lining. If you're familiar with the sitcom that was very

00:02:24.660 popular just a few years back, Modern Family. In Modern Family, you have two gay guys who are

00:02:31.160 married, allegedly, and they adopt a girl. And so I appreciate that in this reality TV show,

00:02:38.680 with not just paid actors living out some kind of script

00:02:42.740 that the writers are able to cook up,

00:02:44.780 but with an actual family that in this case,

00:02:49.080 when it comes to reality, it's more realistic.

00:02:52.720 You have two gay men and they're adopted to boys

00:02:57.160 every single time. 0.93

00:02:59.560 This is what we see.

00:03:01.340 And Chip and Joanna Gaines are not just saying,

00:03:04.040 well, hey, we want to be inclusive.

00:03:06.040 You're not just including homosexuality.

00:03:08.680 you are including human trafficking. You are including an immense amount of perversion that 0.91

00:03:15.280 comes at the cost of children. That's what they're doing. It is a profound betrayal to their Christian

00:03:21.680 base. And I hope and pray as a pastor that no Christian patrons, their business or their 1.00

00:03:28.680 services ever again. Let's tune in now. 1.00

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00:04:04.860 we are talking about chip and joanna gaines we're talking about uh the outrageous decision that 0.55

00:04:11.260 they've just made by including this uh homosexual couple and their adopted boys on their reality

00:04:17.460 television series what do you think we should probably start off just by saying this is probably

00:04:21.000 not an episode to listen to on the speaker with the whole family around contrary to the image that

00:04:25.400 they are trying to portray that's right this type of family family in quotation marks and this type

00:04:29.780 of lifestyle is anything but family appropriate we're going to do our best we have to be honest

00:04:33.920 about what's happening and that's just not going to be something your five-year-old your eight-year-old

00:04:37.160 your 10-year-old should be in the vicinity of hearing so there's a content warning for parents

00:04:41.380 we're really kind of uh it's very interesting celebrities can often get very insulated chip

00:04:46.080 and joanna gains they're worth about 25 million dollars and you can almost tell in the way they

00:04:49.680 talk you can pull this tweet up nate uh chip came out and he was kind of defending himself

00:04:53.860 that these are just people that have not spent much time around honest salt of the earth blue

00:04:58.880 collar christians after this controversy erupted chip gains he came out he said look

00:05:02.980 talk ask questions listen maybe even learn too much to ask a modern american christian culture

00:05:10.280 as in talking asking questions and learning can't ask that of american christians today

00:05:15.000 judge first understand later slash never he said it's a sad sunday he's posting this this was this

00:05:21.120 was this past sunday when non-believers have never been confronted with hate or vitriol until

00:05:26.580 they're introduced to a modern american christian he put the broken heart emoji on there these are

00:05:32.740 people that just they're shocked isn't that so crazy they've supposedly spent their lives in

00:05:36.980 church waco texas is not an atheist republic let's just put it that way this is not san francisco

00:05:41.740 this is baptist land this is this is there's lots of churches there's arguably more churches in waco

00:05:46.660 than any other city in the country there are a lot of incredible yeah baylor is it a methodist

00:05:52.220 university no it's baptist baptist so you have baylor right there baylor university it's a baptist

00:05:57.120 university tons of churches you're in texas one of the most it's not varied but one of the most

00:06:01.840 conservative states in the union. And, uh, and they are shocked that by normalizing this show

00:06:07.320 back to the frontier, I think it's only three families are getting featured. And it's kind of

00:06:10.780 like, Hey, you're going to pretend that you're living on the frontier. Like it's back in the

00:06:14.420 1800s. And they only picked, I think three, three families to do it. So this is not, you know, Hey,

00:06:19.200 we've got, we've got a roster of 50. This is, we're going to follow you for weeks and you

00:06:25.900 pretty much exclusively. And the people that they chose for that was a couple of popular influencers

00:06:30.820 called the two Dallas dads they're from the Dallas area they're two dads and as you alluded to in the

00:06:36.500 cold open they have two boys and uh and Chip and Joanna said we'd love to have you on and then when

00:06:42.500 people pushed back said we don't want this normalized they came out and said hey where's

00:06:47.160 the listening where's the learning you're just being hateful judgmental bigoted Christians yeah

00:06:53.100 it's the same thing that the left has been telling us for years all through throughout BLM you know 0.98

00:06:57.340 they would say, sit down, shut up, and listen, and believe. Sit down, shut up, listen, and believe. 0.97

00:07:03.440 And now you have Chip Gaines saying the very same thing, but not even when it comes to issues like 0.79

00:07:08.800 race, but when it comes to something that's arguably one of the most explicit issues in the

00:07:15.320 Bible, right? That a man shall not lie with another man, for it is an abomination. And he's saying, 0.86

00:07:20.880 no, no, no, even with this black and white principle from the scripture. And I love how,

00:07:24.680 you know in the tweet uh he says too much to ask of modern american christian culture i would say

00:07:30.940 the opposite i would say you got your best shot with modern emphasis on modern american christian

00:07:36.860 culture and praise god even modern american christians are in mass coming out and saying

00:07:41.840 no but what what is chip thinking in any any uh christian culture um that isn't modern would

00:07:50.060 would run chip and joanna out of town i mean they like they'd be arrested um for public

00:07:55.980 indecency and promoting it so you're he's saying he's making it sound like there's something about

00:08:01.280 modern american christian culture and i'm thinking like those two you know qualifiers

00:08:06.260 modern and american like run this show in uganda run this show in uganda with the legislation that

00:08:11.980 they passed a couple about a year and a half ago um so he's making it sound like there's something

00:08:16.400 especially bigoted, especially insensitive or harsh about modern and American Christian culture, 0.94

00:08:24.600 whereas I would say that's actually your best bet is Christian culture today instead of Christianity 0.59

00:08:30.180 yesterday, so modern Christianity, and Christianity here in America where we have apostatized for the

00:08:37.260 most part, we've backslidden when it comes to virtues that the Bible puts forth. So your best

00:08:43.280 bet is modern American Christian culture. That's your best bet of this play, this gay couple with

00:08:50.840 two boys that they've adopted, being tolerable or being accepted. And the fact that it's not 1.00

00:08:56.300 accepted by modern American, meaning subpar, compromised Christian culture, means that it's 0.80

00:09:02.640 certainly not Christian if you're thinking Christianity around the world at large and

00:09:07.060 christianity historically not modern but historic christianity so um so yeah if if it doesn't pass

00:09:14.480 the smell test with the types of christians we have here in america today then there's no way

00:09:20.300 that you can vouch for this or justify to defend it um if you're thinking of christianity in in

00:09:27.060 general right it's like if you're not aligned with the american christian church who are you

00:09:31.900 aligned with. But you have to ask that question because it's like, and the demonstrated lack of

00:09:37.840 humility here too is I think something that's incredibly grave actually for Chip, which is 0.74

00:09:43.280 you have, you know, this entire spectrum of the American Christian church. I mean, like truly 1.00

00:09:48.300 liberal people, I would certainly consider liberal in the church, but Orthodox, right? And Trinitarian

00:09:53.700 and so on and so forth coming out and condemning them for this activity, bringing this family into 0.55

00:10:00.760 the public view uh as well as people you know who were incredibly close with in line with

00:10:06.380 theologically and it's like right and your posture it actually isn't one of submission as if

00:10:10.520 hey i'm your brother i'm on that we're on the same team let me hear you out it's actually one

00:10:15.620 that's like completely um uh you know condescension frankly i mean it just reads like okay this guy

00:10:22.960 clearly knows what the church should do you're right that's the irony of chip's tweet is uh the

00:10:27.800 irony is he's saying well you guys are being bigoted and close-minded and you're not listening

00:10:31.480 you're not willing to learn but he's doing the exact same thing except it's not whether but

00:10:36.600 which you know which group are you going to learn and listen to and what chip is essentially saying

00:10:41.140 is that i will not listen and i will not learn from brothers in christ uh who i will listen and

00:10:47.200 learn from are sodomites right so so at a certain point you just have to say oh you're not you're

00:10:53.520 not one of us as far as i'm concerned you know farewell uh chip and joanna gains um these are

00:11:00.000 not this is not a brother and sister in christ um they they made it clear where their allegiance

00:11:05.080 lies and it lies ultimately with the human trafficking industry and homosexuality and

00:11:12.860 sodomy and the perversion of our country the endangerment of children ripping them away 0.97

00:11:19.440 from their mothers in order to entertain the fantasy of two grown perverted men that is the

00:11:25.380 allegiance of chip and joanna and they had a moment to say whoa man you know with all the

00:11:30.320 vitriol all the backlash that they received rightfully from their christian base their own

00:11:35.180 base they had a moment to actually listen and learn using chip's own language they could have

00:11:40.540 said whoa sorry guys i think i think we missed this one we weren't trying to support it you know

00:11:45.640 but we were just you know this is the world we run in this is the world we run in and and i think we

00:11:50.760 just got a little bit too comfortable but but we we read you loud and clear and we're going to go

00:11:55.220 ahead and revise this decision but they didn't they doubled down and turned the barrels on their

00:12:01.220 own base and there's going there's going to be um a financial liability incurred from this and

00:12:08.620 praise god it always amazes me when these things happen this happened with amy grant she lent out

00:12:13.420 her land. I think it was for her niece who was a lesbian to get married, quote unquote, on. So this 1.00

00:12:17.720 has happened many different times before, but it's always incredible to me how little of a defense

00:12:21.880 they have. So you think about even right here, we're going to spend an hour and a half. We're

00:12:25.200 going to talk about the scripture. We're going to talk about the statistics. We're going to talk

00:12:27.560 about the normalization, the history even of how the American Psychiatric Association got the

00:12:32.360 diagnosis removed for the manual of mental illnesses. So we'll sit down here and spend

00:12:36.840 hours and same thing in debate. But when they come out with that, I mean, I have yet to see

00:12:41.200 someone sit down and really thoroughly deal with any of the arguments i remember even it was dr

00:12:46.140 james white years ago he did a debate on homosexuality and she got up and i remember

00:12:50.280 the woman who was defending it she literally was like i've got to put aside the debater hat for a

00:12:54.720 minute and just tell a story she literally tried to tell us tell the story about two lesbian 1.00

00:12:58.680 librarian librarians and how much they loved each other that's all the arguments they have

00:13:02.760 appeal to emotion appeal to matthew 7 verse 1 judge not really the first two words of the verse

00:13:07.480 not even going on to complete it.

00:13:09.420 But you guys have to realize you have the arguments.

00:13:11.700 We were alluding to it on Monday, even Ted Cruz. 0.69

00:13:13.860 Well, why do we have to support the modern state of Israel?

00:13:16.400 He's like, well, here's the source I got it from, my Sunday school teacher.

00:13:21.040 These people don't have the arguments.

00:13:22.460 They don't have the breadth.

00:13:23.380 They don't have the history to pull on.

00:13:25.080 They're celebrities that are insulated.

00:13:26.540 They live in a little bubble because they're millionaires. 0.96

00:13:29.600 And like you said, Joel, the fruit of being a Christian, very much so lacking. 0.98

00:13:34.840 And every time they try to defend it, we see even more so. 0.99

00:13:37.680 No reliance upon scripture, no reliance upon understanding, interpreting, and applying.

00:13:42.260 Just really defensive.

00:13:43.740 I kind of like these people and how they make me feel.

00:13:46.400 Yep.

00:13:46.960 Yep.

00:13:47.200 That's what we see.

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00:14:44.240 talk real quick um about you know the the psychology and you know the medical studies it was removed

00:14:49.300 from what's the name of the book that it was removed from in psychology you have what's called

00:14:53.720 the diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders that's called the dsm there's been five

00:14:59.400 versions up to now. So we have the fifth version of it. And in 1973, the American Psychiatric

00:15:03.660 Association removed homosexuality. It was classified under a sociopathic personality

00:15:09.560 disturbance or sexual deviation. So in your first two versions, the first two versions

00:15:14.000 of the manual of mental illnesses, this is in the 1960s and the early 1970s, homosexuality

00:15:20.340 was classified as a sociopathic personality disorder. So if an individual said, I have 0.53

00:15:27.160 attraction to men i engage in this type of sex literally the the diagnosis was you are sociopathic

00:15:33.480 this is deviant this is all totally outside of the natural order and not necessarily forced

00:15:39.720 institutionalization but there most certainly were sodomy laws like in texas here on the books

00:15:45.080 so there's certainly prosecution for doing it publicly you think of the stonewall riots

00:15:48.880 but it was in 1973 that the board of trustees voted to simply put it into a term where it was

00:15:55.500 called a sexual orientation disturbance so instead of being a disorder i'm disordered you can think

00:16:02.040 of other criminal attractions we would have now like the animals who knows how long that'll last

00:16:06.840 it was moved from something being disordered and broken to simply it's only disordered and broken

00:16:11.420 if you're disturbed by it so in 73 the heading was changed and it's a small change so it's still in

00:16:17.740 the manual still saying like hey this isn't something ideal right depression is never like

00:16:21.440 i don't suffer from depression i love it but you get to decide if it's a disorder right but it's

00:16:25.660 only a disorder if you're disturbed right if you're schizophrenic but you you know your imaginary

00:16:30.160 best friend happens to be your alternate personality and you enjoy it then you know well

00:16:34.640 it's not a disorder um so they they made that concession but like you're saying it wasn't a

00:16:39.220 full concession it was you know significant enough but but for the the first two editions of the dsm

00:16:45.140 um this is the you know homosexuality is listed as a psychological mental disorder and i'm just

00:16:51.920 going to get you to fact check me on this but i i can only imagine i assume that uh that it was

00:16:57.480 removed because of just ample scientific studies that were presented and then ultimately was the

00:17:02.960 people collectively through a democratic you know mechanism that said we want this removed right

00:17:08.240 like i guess my question is was this the you know the culture as a whole in america changed and and

00:17:13.860 you know 51 percent of you know the majority simple majority of the people themselves came

00:17:18.920 out and said well we disagree with this or were there any particular people behind the scenes

00:17:23.920 that actually single-handedly removed this from the dsm and if so who are those people yeah so

00:17:30.040 really honestly no it was not 60 of the public in the 60s and 70s the american public did not want

00:17:36.440 homosexual marriage they did not want it normalized 1995 bill clinton signed the defensive

00:17:41.480 marriage act so the gay rights movement grows into the 90s and clinton gets out and he signs

00:17:46.200 legislation defense of marriage marriage is defined as one man and one woman but it's two

00:17:51.700 groups the gay liberation front glf and the gay activists alliance gaa they had protests and they

00:17:58.220 pressured the panel that basically voted on what the what disorders would be included one of those

00:18:04.080 activists was a man named frank cameni would be his name he was actually fired for being gay which

00:18:09.920 is good that's how it should be in a christian society he was a jewish man and he had this very 0.80

00:18:13.860 famous quote that said we're the experts on our own lives and so they pushed this narrative we're

00:18:19.280 the experts on our own lives they try to take research and say listen you're categorizing this

00:18:23.700 as a disorder but all of the research the science says that we're no more psychologically different

00:18:29.560 than the rest of the makeup and so a very concentrated types of protest very concentrated

00:18:34.700 of pressure on a very concentrated and small group of people. So not groundswell support

00:18:39.100 to all of the members of Congress, but a very narrow, focused, intentional, loud support

00:18:45.660 led by, again, this man, others, a small group of panel. And they caved and said, well, we'll just

00:18:51.900 call it a disturbance if it feels like that. And then it's the DSM, I think it's four that it's

00:18:58.480 removed then uh at 1987 so the dsm-3 removes it all together yeah it's right there space of 20

00:19:06.140 years concentrated protest concentrated effort threats being loud and people kind of saying hey

00:19:12.500 this is my journey this is my decision we're the expert on our own lives and in 20 years you have

00:19:17.540 hey you know what homosexuality may not be normal but it's not a mental disease like it was defined

00:19:23.160 as 20 years ago yeah right yeah i was just going to say quickly i mean this issue i think in

00:19:29.980 particular sort of prototypical of of what the left the slippery slope that the sort of the

00:19:35.300 left is engaged in because like as you talk about uh sort of the progression towards the legalization

00:19:40.540 of uh um you know sodomy and same-sex marriage i mean it's like at every turn what you were hearing

00:19:47.980 was in this and no further right this and no further hey it's not an illness that's that's

00:19:53.380 all we want we don't we just don't want it to be recognized as an illness hey you know now we just

00:19:57.900 want a a union we want the the tax benefits of of union i just want to be able to visit my dying

00:20:04.220 spouse in the hospital that was a big narrative i think yeah power of attorney we want we want

00:20:08.280 we want these legal sort of recognitions um practically and then it's like you have a

00:20:14.240 burgerfeld right and by then it's like no it's the same there is no difference yeah um i've seen

00:20:20.860 in the chat um we got some uh just the chats filled with a bunch of gays um but west uh some

00:20:27.720 of the guys are picking up on the fact that you said um that uh that you should be able to fire

00:20:33.200 someone for being gay you want to flesh that out yeah jason matthew he asked a question he said i'm

00:20:38.160 i'm genuinely asking why fire for someone for being gay there's something about this sin so 0.87

00:20:43.720 all sins are equal in that a single sin of any category be it a white lie be it homosexuality 0.96

00:20:48.740 be it murder a single sin is enough to send you to hell forever because that sin is committed

00:20:53.220 not just against man you lied to someone else but you lied ultimately and sinned against god who is

00:20:58.580 a perfect infinite being who is perfectly just so a just god is going to punish you for sin so all

00:21:04.600 sin is categorically equal across the board in that sense in that a single sin of any category

00:21:09.800 is damning. And it's all equal in the eternal sense. Exactly. But not all sins are equally

00:21:14.840 destructive. Temporally. All equally, exactly. Eternally, all of them enough to send you to hell.

00:21:20.200 But temporally, here in this life, not all sins are equally as destructive. Right. I want to teach

00:21:25.900 my kids as a father, do not tell a white lie. And also do not murder. But I also, in addition to

00:21:31.620 that, want to specify and distinguish for my kids. I want them to know both are sins. But I want my

00:21:37.140 kids grow up and reach, you know, teenage years thinking that the consequences are the same for

00:21:43.580 telling a white lie or killing the neighbor, then I've failed as a father. Like the notion that in

00:21:50.480 the temporal sense, and when it comes to temporal effects and consequences, that all sins are equal

00:21:56.100 in that sense, that's simply not true. And even Jesus himself, when he's pronouncing woes, he says

00:22:01.700 to one will be given a light beating and to another a severe beating. So Jesus talks about

00:22:07.860 varying degrees of God's just punishment in hell. There are varying degrees of punishment and there

00:22:14.000 are varying degrees of punishment because there are varying degrees of sin. And so we have to

00:22:19.520 recognize that the notion that all sin is equal, period, full stop, is actually a misnomer. All sin

00:22:26.060 is equal in its ability to separate you from communion with the triune God forever, if not

00:22:32.960 repented of and atoned for by the death of Jesus Christ and having faith in him and what he did

00:22:38.400 for you on the cross. So all sin is equal in that instance, in that sense, but not all sin is equal

00:22:44.520 in its temporal effects and its temporal consequences. There are varying degrees of

00:22:49.620 consequences for our sin, and there are varying degrees of judgment in the life to come. You'll

00:22:55.520 go to hell, apart from salvation, which is in Christ alone. But even in hell, there will be

00:23:01.920 more severe and lighter forms of judgment. Yep. So for example, like, my parents are still sinners,

00:23:08.880 but I would happily have them watch my children. Right. You can say, well, your parents are

00:23:12.880 sinners, and a gay man is a sinner too. Well, here's one reason why you shouldn't employ them. 1.00

00:23:17.800 They're gross. You've said it before, and I'll say it again, and this is not for little ears, 0.89

00:23:22.400 What's the defining aspect of homosexuality among men? 0.99

00:23:26.320 Butt sex. 0.99

00:23:27.260 Literally. 1.00

00:23:28.140 There's statistics and studies out there. 1.00

00:23:29.700 Something like over 50% of gay men engage in fecal play within the gay community. 1.00

00:23:34.120 It's called bug chasing, where men that don't have HIV will chase to find other men that have HIV and ask them to give it to them. 0.99

00:23:42.700 I knew a guy in the military who got HIV because he was a gay. 0.52

00:23:46.020 and he literally posted online about how other gay men would come up to him and ask him to give

00:23:51.280 him hiv and they do it because they say it's an incredible high it's an incredible euphoric 0.70

00:23:56.800 perverse experience so you have i run a machine shop right this is a gay man i'm just asking him 0.84

00:24:03.060 to come in and you know take widget one put it over and connect it to widget two i mean what 0.98

00:24:08.340 does being gay have anything to do with that well uh he's a disgusting person and what he indulges 0.93

00:24:13.780 and privately, Paul specifies in Romans 1, this is the one sin he really mentions. He says when 1.00

00:24:19.380 people reject God and reject his natural order, he specifies men leaving their natural use of the

00:24:25.560 woman burned in lust towards other men. And then he takes women and he says in the same way they 0.92

00:24:30.560 left the man and they burned in lust for one another. One of the final stages of rejecting

00:24:35.480 God and rejecting the world that he's made. The sin that Paul highlights and talks about at length

00:24:40.900 in the first chapter of his grand exposition of the gospel is burning in lust for one another.

00:24:46.340 And he categorizes that and he says they receive in themselves the due recompense. They destroy

00:24:52.240 their bodies. Gay men without HIV, their life expectancy is 30 years less than a heterosexual 1.00

00:24:57.800 man. They have dozens, hundreds, if not some of them, thousands of sexual partners across their 0.79

00:25:03.020 lifetime. They engage in recreational drug use, alcohol abuse, sadomasochism. These are disgusting

00:25:08.560 people that I would not want in my business, that I would not want to be friends with in my personal 0.98

00:25:12.700 life. That's just how it is. And you don't have to be ashamed to say that. Disgust is a perfectly,

00:25:18.880 wonderfully Christian response. And for the record, it's not either or. It can be both and. 0.96

00:25:24.840 You can have genuine compassion for someone who is a sinner that is in need of the grace of God.

00:25:30.240 You're praying for them. You're evangelizing them. You can have a genuine spiritual compassion for

00:25:36.420 the sinner who is at odds with God that you want to see ultimately reconciled the same way that we

00:25:42.180 were reconciled to God by the grace of Jesus Christ and his finished work on the cross. You

00:25:46.980 can have compassion and also simultaneously be disgusted. There should be a revulsion. That is

00:25:53.620 the natural response. Any heterosexual man, even if he's not a Christian, they've done studies on 0.70

00:26:01.120 this, that heterosexual men, if they see two men displaying public affection or kissing in public, 0.99

00:26:07.440 they see two men kissing, they find it equally, if not more revolting than a picture of maggots. 0.98

00:26:15.420 And that's not just a Christian response. That is the stereotypical general male response, 0.97

00:26:22.060 believer or not, heterosexual male response to homosexual public displays of affection. And 0.65

00:26:28.940 that is a natural response that's not actually sinful uh that is the way that we should think 1.00

00:26:34.340 about homosexual activity that's god please save them lord have mercy help them to repent of that 0.88

00:26:41.780 sin hey can i share the gospel with you and also that's gross hey alan said oh you just sounded 0.95

00:26:48.640 really compassionate reeling off those statistics it is a compassion and mercy to warn people yeah 0.98

00:26:54.380 you will live 30 years less on average yes if you are gay yep and i say that with the severity 0.97

00:27:00.540 and like the not the soft tone i say that to say if you're even thinking about it or you're half 0.99

00:27:05.740 in half out run not just because it will destroy your soul it will destroy your body too you could

00:27:11.540 come to christ later in life you don't get those years back and you don't get the damage back

00:27:15.640 coming to christ does not cure you of hiv the resurrection will but in your body it does not

00:27:21.200 fix it right that's right all right let's go to our first commercial break and we will come right

00:27:25.940 back so welcome back we've made the point before we did a couple episodes during pride month it

00:27:30.960 was this year and especially the last year you can look up that episode shocking facts about

00:27:35.020 pride month we focused a lot on just the individuals themselves not getting into the

00:27:39.180 idea of family and adoption but i think we would all agree even what's the most pernicious about

00:27:44.340 this is not just the platforming of two men as if that's a normal coupling and it makes up a marriage

00:27:49.040 that in and of itself is terrible and it's normalizing but what goes even farther than

00:27:53.640 this is the fact that these two dads have a set of boys that they've adopted so i'm gonna read

00:27:59.360 your tweet here you tweeted this out i think it was really well said you said to be clear chip

00:28:03.660 and joanna gains are not normalizing different kinds of families that's a rhetoric you would

00:28:08.120 hear that's what well that's what they said we're just normalizing different kinds you know want to

00:28:12.160 show you know an equal representation of different kinds of families so i put that in quotation marks

00:28:16.520 exactly so they're not normalizing just different kind of families what they're actually normalizing

00:28:21.700 is the industry of human trafficking where baby boys are knowingly sold to perverted men

00:28:27.600 who have the highest likelihood of sexually abusing them yep banger i was so real for that 0.98

00:28:34.940 so real for that so real for that well i can even just say this before you even get into gay men

00:28:39.200 adopting one of the the biggest predictor by far not just like well there's maybe a 10 higher risk

00:28:46.300 the biggest predictor by far of abuse of a child be that physical or sexual is a nine non-biological

00:28:52.820 parent in the home so this is even if it's it's a mother for some reason the dad is not in the

00:28:57.620 picture maybe he passed away and there's a stepfather that increases the likelihood in

00:29:02.020 some studies i think it's over a hundred percent it's not alcohol abuse it's not a dysfunctional

00:29:06.440 marriage it's not socioeconomic status it's not race the biggest predictor for a sexual abuse of

00:29:11.980 children is a non-biological parent in the home. Your children, there's just, God created it that 0.99

00:29:19.380 way, that those that they look like us, they're like us, we share the home with them together,

00:29:26.120 that we're bound to them a certain way that it makes any type of mistreatment, misuse,

00:29:31.060 it makes it almost unthinkable. So even before we get into gay men, which is again the most 0.80

00:29:36.220 perverted end state of rejecting nature before you even get into that just even a parent in the home 1.00

00:29:42.380 in a heterosexual couple even increases the risk when you get to homosexuals there are of course 0.97

00:29:48.040 no definitive studies on this where you go in and say like yeah it turns out 60 more likely to

00:29:53.240 sexually abuse but i want to call attention to a story that this is a couple years old

00:29:57.580 but this is honestly if you were going to say like well there's the groomers and some try to do this

00:30:04.420 Like Spencer Clavin, son of Andrew Clavin on the Daily Wire.

00:30:07.140 He tries to say like, hey, there's groomers, but us normal gays, Spencer is gay, us normal gays, we separate ourselves.

00:30:14.680 We're not like that.

00:30:15.660 It's the L and the G and the B, but not the T.

00:30:18.580 And just to be clear, Andrew Clavin has publicly several times and still to this day defends his son and believes that his son is Christian and that it's compatible.

00:30:29.640 Andrew Clavin would basically, he'd frame it by saying, yeah, well, it's not ideal and it's not normative.

00:30:34.040 And, you know, he says like for myself, you know, the natural, you know, instinct and desire is

00:30:38.540 that I would have grandchildren. I'm not going to have grandchildren because my son is a homosexual 1.00

00:30:42.640 and can't procreate. But he would still say that I've heard him say this publicly where he says, 0.96

00:30:47.940 I'm actually really proud of my son, the courage that it took. And I actually think that's more

00:30:53.020 true. He's being more true to his relationship with Jesus. So he doesn't just say my son, you

00:30:58.940 know, is it's not just Andrew Klavan has a gay son and he's saying, man, that's a shame, but he's

00:31:03.380 actually saying i have a gay son who is a faithful christian man and the homosexual lifestyle and

00:31:08.960 that deliberate continual choice that my son is making is compatible with christianity not the

00:31:14.640 norm not ideal but it is permissible and it is compatible um and andrew clavin of course is a

00:31:20.980 professing christian and people just need to be aware um that yeah like i mean when you think of

00:31:25.600 the daily wire you have ben shapiro he's not a christian he's a jew and then you have spencer 0.69

00:31:30.020 Clavin, who is, I mean, he's carving out excuses for one of the clearest sins. Andrew Clavin. 0.85

00:31:36.720 Yeah, Andrew Clavin. Carving out an excuse for one of the clearest sins in the case of his son.

00:31:42.680 This is, yeah, like you just, when you look to big con, you know, big conservative ink,

00:31:50.360 it really is in many ways a con. That's precisely what it is with conservatives like these who

00:31:55.580 needs liberals. And just to be clear, having a son, heaven forbid, that chose to sin in this way,

00:32:02.380 that'd be so hard for a father. But Jesus himself says, you just preached on that, Joel. Yeah. Like

00:32:06.860 that is the cost of following Jesus. My son says, please accept me in this life. Please come to my

00:32:11.760 wedding. Please spend the holidays with me. Just approve of what I choose to do. That sometimes is

00:32:17.360 the cost of following Jesus is saying, I can't. I serve a higher master. I won't. Right. So getting

00:32:23.880 to this story again spencer clave and others they would try to say like well there's the normal gays

00:32:28.600 and then there's there's the groomers and the pride parade and all of that one of the most

00:32:32.280 quintessential like no these are the good gays would be a couple couple used in quotation marks

00:32:37.740 from atlanta georgia and about two years ago they were thrown in jail wealthy gay couple i'm reading

00:32:42.760 a headline here on the screen wealthy gay couple who raped their adopted boys given 100 years in

00:32:49.460 prison. Zachary and William Zulock will spend the rest of their lives behind bars after pleading

00:32:54.720 guilty to multiple charges. And I'm not going to go into detail everything that they did, but

00:33:00.020 they prostituted them. Two gay men, rich men here in the Atlanta area, not here, but in the United 0.66

00:33:05.460 States. This is not overseas. This is not in Pakistan. Here in Georgia, they were wealthy.

00:33:10.440 So these were not men. And it's like, oh my goodness, how do I rank rent this month? I live

00:33:13.800 san francisco no wealthy gay men who had that picture perfect you can see in the screen if you

00:33:19.880 saw it a moment ago they're all wearing t-shirts that says love is love uh well i mean surely

00:33:25.080 they're the normal ones and they take care of their kids right and and they're just a loving

00:33:29.240 family that looks a little different no they were prostituting and filming the sexual abuse of their

00:33:35.400 children but well what is love is love and what is pride month it's that yeah and just again to be

00:33:42.120 clear uh what west is saying is they did not just merely abuse the children sexually themselves no

00:33:47.960 but they pimped out their adopted boys the boys that they harvested and bought with cash from 0.98

00:33:54.840 their mothers that they stripped them away from and then they pimped them out sold them to homosexual 0.98

00:34:01.560 sodomite man after man after man after man and they're in jail presumably because um 0.98

00:34:07.880 um they could not get a flight quick enough to israel where most pedophiles actually go and live

00:34:14.500 out their days in freedom right israel has a non-extradition policy so they don't extradite

00:34:19.660 uh people in their country hey they're charged with this well yeah israel no seriously israel 0.71

00:34:24.760 statistically um is home and houses and defends uh more pedophiles than any you know in any country

00:34:33.000 yeah that i know of so when you look at chip and joanna gaines who again made their living for the

00:34:38.020 most part on christians christians who appreciated their aesthetic christians who appreciated their

00:34:42.940 business if you go to waco texas they have it's called magnolia farms and it's it's got a little

00:34:47.440 church there and a baseball diamond and it sells hot dogs and it's kind of portrayed as the

00:34:51.680 picturesque kind of americana scene there this is what good wholesome american the american spirit

00:34:58.080 feels like spending time with family spending time with one another going to church and you know as it

00:35:03.600 turns out and hey just a little bit of this on the side now the people that do this well we disagree

00:35:10.000 with that but we'll happily normalize it just right up until that point like that's how you get to this

00:35:15.280 how do you get to this removing it as a mental disorder removing it altogether allowing marriage

00:35:21.200 and then allowing adoption like there's even countries in europe china itself has banned

00:35:26.960 adoption of children by gay couples funny enough with this story not funny enough but it was a

00:35:31.880 christian adoption agency that gave these two kids to these men so at every step of the story well

00:35:38.160 who's normalizing this and who's allowing it to happen and who's kind of lulling christians to

00:35:42.760 sleep well you know they're just a different kind of family well it's people like chip and joanna

00:35:48.340 yep yeah it was a christian adoption agency that uh that gave these two boys to two men

00:35:55.260 who prostituted them out and are now spending their life in prison, which is not just. 0.97

00:36:03.180 Justice would be for them to be hung. 0.97

00:36:06.200 Okay.

00:36:06.960 Yeah, I was just going to say, I mean, I wanted to bring up the topic of shame,

00:36:11.560 which is ought to be attached to sin in society.

00:36:16.320 And, you know, hearing, you know, Wes talk about these things and you talk about these things,

00:36:20.600 I mean, it's tough.

00:36:21.740 It's tough to hear.

00:36:22.820 It frankly is pretty jarring.

00:36:25.260 But it needs to be heard because this is actually, it is this perversion precisely to which the shame sort of emerges or emerges from, right?

00:36:35.880 Like when you know that these acts and this lifestyle is associated with these kinds of heinous acts, there is naturally a revulsion and a sense of shame that washes over you for people who are doing these sorts of things.

00:36:54.000 um and um and that's frankly i was just reflecting on it like i think this is one of the unique areas

00:37:00.960 not unique but one of the more prominent areas where shame has gone out of the window yeah and

00:37:08.640 that's truly like i think from a christian perspective what we're trying to um reattach

00:37:14.440 to this to the to homosexuals and sodomy because frankly it's like uh those arguments of like oh 0.80

00:37:23.320 we're just like you. And, um, you know, we just want what you want. We want to, you know, join 0.98

00:37:28.240 in the bond of love. I think Gavin Newsom once said, um, many decades ago, like, uh, that's,

00:37:35.000 that's not true. Right. No, it's, um, there was a book I read years ago. That was a good little

00:37:41.520 book, simple, but, but profound. Uh, but it was called the grace of shame. And, uh, and it was

00:37:47.240 just talking about how shame actually is a grace. Um, you see the apostle Paul, I forget which,

00:37:51.960 letter it is in the New Testament, but where he says, have nothing more to do with them.

00:37:57.020 Somebody who's a repeat offender when it comes to sin and is unrepentant, right? So you've gone to

00:38:02.800 him, you've corrected him, you've tried to win your brother over following, you know, the steps

00:38:06.560 of church discipline. He's just digging his heels in and doubling down on his sin with no remorse,

00:38:12.320 no repentance. And it reaches a point where, as far as the church is concerned, so this is

00:38:17.480 separate from what the state should do in terms of legislation and carrying out, you know,

00:38:22.500 sentences for crimes, but those things which are sins in the realm of the church, the apostle Paul

00:38:27.440 says, I have nothing more to do with him so that he might be ashamed. And there's supposed to be,

00:38:34.500 there really is a grace of shame. And the grace portion of shame is that God uses shame for sin

00:38:42.700 in all of our lives, my life included, to drive us to repentance. Christianity does not create

00:38:50.760 this. I've heard people say this, well, Christianity is a shame-free zone or a guilt-free

00:38:54.780 zone. No, Christianity intensifies shame and intensifies guilt, but the heart of the gospel

00:39:01.280 is not that it makes shame disappear, but that Christianity intensifies our shame that we

00:39:07.340 rightfully feel for real sin, but provides a source where shame can be covered and dealt with.

00:39:13.660 So as a Christian, because my body is a temple of the Holy Spirit and he convicts me of sin,

00:39:19.360 I actually feel more, not less, but more shame and more guilt for my sin. And what the gospel

00:39:24.360 does is it doesn't create this shame-free zone, but it creates a focal point where I can run,

00:39:32.060 where my shame ultimately can be atoned for and covered. And that's the cross of Jesus Christ.

00:39:37.240 I've said it before, but I'll say it again. In a godly society and a healthy, prosperous, good

00:39:43.440 society, there's only two places for the homosexual to run, and that's either to the closet or to the 1.00

00:39:52.280 cross. He can repent and be welcomed and esteemed and loved and accepted in society at large,

00:39:58.920 or he has to go to the closet. Here's the reality that we just have to recognize.

00:40:03.420 it's not whether but which not whether but which this idea of just having a neutral public square

00:40:10.160 was always a myth it was always a myth it never happened all we ultimately did was we traded

00:40:15.880 one set of dogma one orthodoxy one set of virtues for another and and the reality is someone will

00:40:23.380 always be societally speaking someone will always be in the closet and that's precisely what chip

00:40:29.860 and Joanna Gaines are actually trying to do what you see Chip doing is he's stop shaming people 0.99

00:40:34.780 as he shames you as he shames Christians right you dirty bigot you close-minded you know Neanderthal 1.00

00:40:44.040 you're not willing to learn you're stupid right you're not willing to listen you're insensitive 1.00

00:40:49.540 you're not compassionate what is he doing he's shaming people so it's not whether or not someone 1.00

00:40:54.940 will be shamed. It's simply a matter of the question of who will be shamed. And here's the

00:41:00.320 deal. It's either going to be perverse sinners or God-fearing Christians. Society cannot accept 1.00

00:41:08.760 them both. We will naturally, no matter what form of government we have, no matter what we say on

00:41:13.880 paper, naturally what will play out in the culture at large is that these two groups that are

00:41:19.900 philosophically and substantively and diametrically opposed to one another, they will not both be

00:41:26.000 equally tolerated and accepted. One will be shamed and the other will be heralded and esteemed.

00:41:33.120 And what we've seen in our culture over the past four or five decades is we've actually seen 0.91

00:41:40.040 Bible, not your alleged Christians, not your merely professing Christians, but Bible-believing 0.80

00:41:46.980 actual Christians shamed. They have been run into the closet. The kind of content that we're 0.87

00:41:53.220 espousing today is the kind of content, you know this, you know that if you were to have any kind

00:41:57.980 of conversation like this, not just in the workplace, but even with certain friends and

00:42:02.900 certain family members, you know that the consequence would be that you would be looked

00:42:08.320 at as though you were sinister, as though you were the Joker from Batman, as though you should

00:42:15.200 be locked behind bars. You would be immediately shamed. So it's not whether but which. It's not 0.51

00:42:21.260 whether we'll have a certain sector of our society that is shamed. It's simply which sector of

00:42:29.640 society will be shamed. And right now, lately, in modernity in the West, what we've opted for

00:42:35.320 is shaming Christians. So it's either Christians are going to be in the closet, and gay men, 0.99

00:42:41.680 without even wearing underwear with their private parts hanging out in front of children in new 0.99

00:42:48.640 york pride parades it'll be gay guys um that's the whole idea of pride by the way you guys got

00:42:55.060 to get that it's it's not enough to just oh it's two men in the privacy of their home it was never

00:42:59.720 about that that was just a line that was that was a facade that was just sneaky rhetoric to get

00:43:06.240 towards the the ultimate aim the aim was uh full-blown public uh not just acceptance but

00:43:13.520 praise esteem public pride right so so think of that what's the opposite of shame a feeling a

00:43:22.180 sense of pride a sense of pride so so what you're going to have is you're going to have one group

00:43:27.580 there's a sense of pride right and the other group there's a sense of shame and and uh to

00:43:34.160 have pride in sodomites is necessarily, by default, by way of consequence, it is to shame those who

00:43:44.020 are against homosexuality. And so what we've done over the past few decades is we've simply

00:43:49.000 reversed it. It's not that we've become a tolerant society where everyone is accepted. No way.

00:43:53.060 We just traded which group is accepted and which group is demonized. So Christians now go in the 1.00

00:43:59.000 cause it so that sodomites can come out and diddle kids yeah that's where we are shame is such a 0.99

00:44:05.400 like there's you mentioned the grace of shame and i just think about even for like our children

00:44:10.260 there was a time when wedlock was almost unthinkable in this country and that wasn't

00:44:14.400 because we had huge education programs it's like on billboards and in schools and like don't do it

00:44:19.560 don't do it don't do it the cultural expectation was that that that is shameful to have sex without

00:44:25.920 the commitment of marriage and to produce children is a shameful thing. It's shameful for the woman 0.89

00:44:30.300 to join a man in that. It's shameful for the man to seduce and take a woman in that. That shame 1.00

00:44:36.200 then prevented what would be probably millions of births out of wedlock, the brokenness of the

00:44:41.420 family, the abuses that occurred. And it's not like, well, if we just had, again, like billboards

00:44:45.720 and education, if people only knew, that's not actually the best way for decreasing rates of

00:44:50.900 homosexuality decreasing rates of birth out of wedlock the best way is a culture that says that

00:44:56.300 is shameful right and then you have the grace of just you actually don't have to do a lot about it 0.96

00:45:00.960 there was no 1900 sodomy squad of people going through and and spying on private citizens

00:45:06.060 questionnaires in the town market what did you do in your bedroom this week you didn't have any of

00:45:10.440 that it was just expected you don't do these things so our goal is not some type of police

00:45:15.700 and surveillance state where like the thought if the thought even enters someone's mind they're

00:45:19.700 under arrest for thought crime so the thought is a normal decent upstanding public square where

00:45:25.000 someone even suggests the idea and they go oh that's terrible that's disgusting and then their

00:45:31.320 kids grow up with the like their kids don't even grow up with even thinking that that's an option

00:45:36.600 their default mode what are my options get married to a wonderful woman and have children

00:45:41.580 that's it that's the option that is a grace that's a wonderful thing compared to what we're doing now

00:45:46.900 the propaganda that you're having to fight against a allen in the chat he's he's a lid um

00:45:53.640 so he's being sarcastic but i think it's fantastic so i'm going to read he said less education more

00:45:59.120 shame what a great policy so true king i agree that that really is i mean he put it succinctly

00:46:05.560 it's concise it's uh it's profound less education and simply more shame it's not just hey this

00:46:11.860 here's all the statistics and all the facts, right? Ben Shapiro has famously said, facts don't

00:46:17.980 care about your feelings. But the reality is that people's feelings often don't care about your

00:46:22.560 facts. So it's not just simply saying, well, here's the facts and let me educate you. And if

00:46:26.940 you were just properly informed, then you would naturally come to the correct conclusions and

00:46:31.560 develop the correct convictions. No, there are plenty of people who have seen the facts. They

00:46:36.100 simply don't care because they care about their feelings more than their facts. So in the same

00:46:40.300 way facts don't care about feelings. Well, people's feelings often don't care about facts.

00:46:44.240 And what you're doing when it comes to shame, and it is a biblical grace, it's actually a tool

00:46:49.020 in our disposal as Christians, the Bible talks about this, wielding the grace of shame in order

00:46:55.660 to incentivize good behavior and deter people from societally destructive behavior. And the reality

00:47:04.500 we want to do both so so we actually do want to present facts and and educate but then we also

00:47:10.320 you do that and and you know in the kind of this education sphere but then in the cultural sphere

00:47:15.540 we also want there to be um the the um emotional appealing to the pathos right so it's and the

00:47:23.400 passions like that it's actually both and and when it even comes to you know preaching right i've

00:47:28.280 been preaching for um about 10 years at this point and good sermons like when you look at some of the

00:47:34.020 best preachers of all time. You look at the Puritans, right? You look at Charles Spurgeon,

00:47:37.500 the Prince of Preachers. You look at John Gill or, you know, like all these different guys,

00:47:42.300 John Knox. A good preacher would have light and heat, is what the Puritans would say. Light and

00:47:49.240 heat. Light, the exposition, opening, the illuminating of the Word of God. So it's the

00:47:54.360 exegeting. This is what the text means. Here are the facts, right? But then the heat would be

00:48:00.060 bringing it to bear, right? The passions and the pathos of the preacher compelling the people. You

00:48:06.320 think of Jonathan Edwards, one of the most famous sermons ever preached, Sinners in the Hands of an

00:48:11.020 Angry God. And, you know, witnesses said that there were claw marks, scratch marks in the back

00:48:18.180 of the pews where somebody sitting the row behind was like so uncomfortable, because he's using

00:48:24.100 illustrations, right? He's not just using facts, he's using descriptive languages and analogies

00:48:30.000 and illustrations. He talks about a spider hanging just by one thread over an open flame, you know,

00:48:38.020 and this is all that's just a breath, and the breath in your lungs that God himself is sustaining

00:48:43.200 that could stop at any moment, that's all that's separating you from ultimately the just wrath,

00:48:48.700 white-hot wrath of a thrice holy God, and so cling to Christ, run to Christ, and so there's

00:48:55.800 the facts of scripture, but then there's also this emotional, powerful, profound appeal. Both

00:49:01.980 are important. So yeah, let's educate people, but also let's deter people culturally in society at

00:49:09.100 large through shame, shaming people for bad behavior. And the reality is we already do this,

00:49:15.160 right? When it comes to drunk driving, how many ads, right? How much effort has been put into

00:49:21.980 commercials where a guy gets drunk and in the commercial, you know, he doesn't just kill

00:49:26.060 himself, but he kills a whole family to where anybody who sees, you know, some guy swerving,

00:49:30.300 he's drunk. You, you feel like this vitriolic anger. You're not just like, oh, he's breaking

00:49:35.680 the law, you know, like beep, boop, beep, beep, boop. I'm, I am Spock, you know, a robot. And

00:49:40.800 I'm going to like, no, you actually feel emotional about it. You're like, how dare this idiot 1.00

00:49:46.080 endanger the lives of this soccer mom with her van filled with kids on the way home and he's 1.00

00:49:52.720 risking the lives of children by being drunk behind the you feel an emotional response because

00:49:58.120 you've been trained you've been trained to actually despise it and and so if you know you pull up next

00:50:04.360 to the guy you roll down your window you're honking on the horn and and you call the cops also

00:50:08.800 but you're honking on the horn and and if he rolls down his window you're going to shout through the

00:50:13.260 window how dare you you should be ashamed right so we all are familiar with this kind of interaction

00:50:21.500 in culture at large so then the only question is um is homosexual behavior is it actually a 0.76

00:50:29.400 detriment to society like other things like drunk drivingness and the answer is yes it absolutely is 0.80

00:50:36.420 it degrades society it's not just private between you and your partner in your bedroom no it actually

00:50:43.160 pulls down, it drags all of society down to the lowest common denominator, to the basis

00:50:50.020 appetites of perverted men. And therefore, it's something that we should know, we should be

00:50:55.860 educated on the statistics and the scripture for why it is morally wrong. But we should also even

00:51:01.880 feel in an emotional sense, this is a shame. This is how dare you should be the kind of response.

00:51:10.180 So, yes, let's educate people, but also, so true, a great point.

00:51:15.860 Let's also shame.

00:51:16.980 Yeah, and I'll just say quickly on the matter of education to cite, you know, R.J.

00:51:21.160 Rushdooney and the Institutes of Biblical Law.

00:51:22.980 He talks about both the positive and negative elements of the Old Testament law, the case

00:51:28.680 law, that is.

00:51:29.660 And he talks about both the law as a teacher in its punitive sense, but also the law of

00:51:35.520 a teacher as a teacher in its shame oriented sense.

00:51:39.620 Preventative sense.

00:51:40.560 Preventative.

00:51:41.060 Yeah, exactly.

00:51:41.840 Prevents, but then also punishes.

00:51:43.280 So shame, in that way, shame is educating people

00:51:46.160 in the basest, simplest way possible

00:51:49.280 to be revolted, to be incensed, upset,

00:51:54.440 righteously indignant about something

00:51:57.200 without having to think through conceptually,

00:52:00.340 on a rational basis, why that thing might be wrong.

00:52:03.060 Actually, it's wrong because God said it's wrong.

00:52:05.880 And that's all you need to know.

00:52:07.280 I remember in the military, 0.69

00:52:08.340 this was right around when don't act don't tell was repealed and we had a gay sergeant so we had

00:52:12.900 some type of ethics class and he said hey can anyone on a non-religious basis make an argument

00:52:18.260 against homosexuality at the time i didn't know i was opposed to it because i was a christian

00:52:22.240 but i remember not necessarily kind of knowing the facts but now i realize too oh the facts are

00:52:27.980 also there as well so when god commanded against this and against that he also wove into nature

00:52:33.280 hey and also it will destroy you if you do it and that's what we're warning people about right and

00:52:39.020 there always are facts so even if you can't see them right just like a child should trust their

00:52:43.240 parent their parents like hey get out of the street you can't i told you to stay in the front

00:52:47.220 yard you can't play in the street and you're yelling not not even because you're mad but

00:52:50.740 you're trying to be urgent and immediately get your child out of the street and the child you

00:52:54.620 know who's four years old or whatever it is which a four-year-old should not be playing in the front

00:52:58.760 yard unintended but just humor the illustration for a moment here you walk outside your child's

00:53:04.260 in the middle of the street um and you yell and say get out of the street well the child doesn't

00:53:08.440 understand probably at that moment the reasons for why why they can't play in the street and you

00:53:13.840 know if it's the child doesn't have a good relationship with their father or their mother

00:53:17.340 the parent that's urging them insisting that they get out of the street they might be tempted to

00:53:21.780 think you know mom or dad is just trying to steal my joy they're just trying to you know mitigate

00:53:26.300 my fun they just they just don't want me to be happy right the street is we all know that the

00:53:31.300 street is the most joyful place for children to frolic and play and mom and dad just hate me and

00:53:37.120 want to steal my joy but we all know that's not actually the reason and when the child matures

00:53:40.780 and gets older they realize oh mom mom and dad didn't want me in the street because cars hit kids

00:53:46.620 in the street well so it is with the law of god god is our heavenly father um and and what i what

00:53:53.060 I want to articulate real quick before we go to our second commercial break is simply this.

00:53:56.840 God is not capricious. God is not capricious. He's not arbitrary. He's not mean-spirited. So

00:54:04.520 that which he deems as being morally right is also that which leads towards life and health

00:54:10.720 and happiness. The right thing is the good thing, right? So you'll never find a case in all of

00:54:16.620 scripture where something is right but not good, or something is good but not right. Right meaning

00:54:22.940 morally right. Good mean temporally and eternally, most importantly, beneficial. Lending towards

00:54:30.080 prosperity. Lending towards, I hate this word because it's overused by a bunch of, you know,

00:54:34.640 lib Christian ministries, but lending towards flourishing, right? So the good thing is the

00:54:39.420 right thing. And the right thing is the good thing. And if you know from the Word of God that

00:54:45.160 something is deemed as being right or, you know, on the other side of the aisle, being wrong like 0.91

00:54:50.580 homosexuality, and you can't see why God has called it wrong, you can't see why this thing 0.79

00:54:56.640 which God has deemed as being morally wrong is also bad, that it's not beneficial, that it's 0.82

00:55:02.340 degrading, that it's a liability, that it's harmful and destructive for you and for others.

00:55:07.720 If you can't see why, the why is important. But in the meantime, if you believe that God is a

00:55:14.720 father and that he's a good heavenly father, a perfect father, then you should be able to have

00:55:21.120 a good faith disposition towards your heavenly father and recognize God would not say that

00:55:27.680 something was bad or wrong, morally wrong, if it wasn't also bad, right? That God is not capricious.

00:55:36.260 He's a good father. He's not trying to steal your fun. He's not, think of Gandalf and Bilbo. I'm not

00:55:41.880 trying to rob you i'm trying to help you let's go to our last commercial break and we'll be right

00:55:47.000 back i have a white pill for you guys we are winning this fight yeah i would say the high

00:55:52.940 watermark 2021 2022 we've mentioned it many times but there was broad cultural support for gay

00:56:00.060 marriage for lgbtq rights almost every statistic we have maybe supports holding steady among

00:56:05.320 independents and democrats but it is cratering among the religious even the main lines are

00:56:10.280 We're seeing a pretty big decline in the amount of individuals, practitioners that approve of it.

00:56:14.840 We're certainly seeing in the Republican Party.

00:56:16.840 We're seeing in the youth.

00:56:18.100 You spend five minutes on Instagram reels, and you will realize that Gen Z is based.

00:56:23.440 And so to provide encouragement, even this backlash with Chip and Joanna Gaines,

00:56:27.540 other creators are going to say, oh, I saw what happened to them.

00:56:31.880 They got the Bud Light treatment.

00:56:33.640 Even if I personally, kind of on the fence, you know, kind of don't like it,

00:56:38.120 but this is also kind of the crowd I run in.

00:56:39.700 And that was just a warning shot that if you're supporters, the people that support you, buy your stuff, watch your shows, that's 50% that are salt of the earth, blue-collar Christians.

00:56:50.600 They're going to come out with pitchforks when you try to normalize this disgusting lifestyle on other people. 0.52

00:56:55.980 And so just to say practically for the listener, was it press on, pray on?

00:57:01.220 Yeah. Shout on, pray on, we're gaining ground. Shout on, pray on, we're gaining ground.

00:57:05.460 And it is true on this issue and others, but on this issue especially, we're gaining ground.

00:57:09.700 And you know what?

00:57:10.400 It turns out like many things with this kind of like total defeat of the left, which it,

00:57:14.640 I mean, there's still a ton more work to be done, but, um, turns out one of the most profound

00:57:19.220 arguments against gays is gays, right? 1.00

00:57:23.900 You just, you just let them kind of do their thing.

00:57:26.020 It's like, okay, fine.

00:57:26.900 You know, all right.

00:57:27.660 You, you, you've just, you've been screeching and wailing about, oh, we want our rights.

00:57:31.900 We want our freedom.

00:57:32.620 You know, like, and so we'll give it to you. 0.99

00:57:34.580 And immediately they're like, let's dress up as drag queens and go to school libraries 1.00

00:57:38.800 and try to get people's kids to sit in our laps oh that's why that's why we don't like gays 0.99

00:57:45.940 that's right you're all a bunch of pedos that's right there was 2020 the mask off moment uh san 1.00

00:57:52.060 francisco gay men's choir literally sang a song it was the whole choir we'll convert your children 0.99

00:57:58.160 we're coming for your children and they literally one of the lines was saying like you know like oh 0.79

00:58:03.080 you're you're bigots and you're extremists and you use all this hyperbolic stuff that's not

00:58:07.060 actually true uh but one of the lines of the song he says like uh funny in this instance right funny

00:58:12.720 this time you're right we'll convert your children and people like oh it's a joke no it wasn't no

00:58:19.280 no they literally they probably honestly they could have won but here's the deal they had to 0.53

00:58:23.620 wait 10 more years to molest kids they couldn't do it yeah they were winning that's what it would

00:58:28.700 have taken it would have required sodomite men to hold off from molesting children for 10 years

00:58:36.740 And as we found out, they can't do it.

00:58:39.440 Praise God.

00:58:39.760 They couldn't do it.

00:58:40.660 Great.

00:58:41.180 You're done.

00:58:41.680 Well, thanks for joining us.

00:58:42.420 We're going to get to some super chats and land the plane here.

00:58:45.540 We've got our first one, Baptist 702, faithful supporter.

00:58:48.540 It says, I used to identify as bisexual.

00:58:50.900 Well, first of all, they gave $10. 0.54

00:58:52.120 Thank you, Baptist 702.

00:58:53.700 But this message is even greater.

00:58:55.320 I used to live and identify as bisexual before turning back to Christ. 0.89

00:58:58.560 Praise God. 0.70

00:58:59.480 The lies and deception of the world, the flesh, and the devil are difficult to turn from.

00:59:03.060 But the truth in Christ is far greater.

00:59:05.140 Amen.

00:59:05.820 Anyone, just to even say, certainly some of the temporal effects will not go away, 0.85

00:59:10.480 but it does not matter what homosexual you are. 0.84

00:59:13.160 The homosexual who turns from sin and turns to Christ, that's Paul in 1 Corinthians, 0.97

00:59:17.560 such were some of you. 0.98

00:59:19.020 And he lists homosexuals. 0.99

00:59:20.140 You were homosexual. 1.00

00:59:21.280 You slept with over 1,000 men, but you were washed by the blood of Jesus. 1.00

00:59:24.800 No one, while still alive in this earth, is too far gone.

00:59:28.400 Amen.

00:59:29.020 Amen.

00:59:30.620 G.M. Raptor.

00:59:32.400 Is that an M?

00:59:33.020 I can't see.

00:59:33.780 Yeah, I think so.

00:59:34.580 EM Raptor. Super chat, $2. Thanks, Raptor. We appreciate it. He says, thoughts on Megan

00:59:40.820 Basham's take on the situation. So Megan Basham is, she's getting dragged, as the kids would say, 0.89

00:59:47.560 on the interwebs. So not hot. She came out, you know, defending Andrew Klavan as Andrew Klavan 0.97

00:59:56.500 was defending his son, Spencer Klavan, who is a homosexual. And she kind of, you know, 0.80

01:00:02.400 like Megan Basham has been clear. I want to give her credit. She's been clear that she believes

01:00:06.700 homosexuality is objectively sinful, right? So she is a Bible-believing Christian. She's an 0.96

01:00:13.380 evangelical, very much kind of in the MacArthur camp, probably theologically in a lot of ways.

01:00:18.880 She's always been a strong appreciator for John MacArthur, who is now in glory with the Lord

01:00:25.600 Jesus Christ and reunited with his friend Sproul. I saw a meme. It was really funny. It was a picture,

01:00:30.080 AI generated picture of MacArthur on one side and Sproul on another sitting and laughing

01:00:34.220 and talking together in heaven and Sproul said what took you so long because he died in 2017

01:00:38.460 so MacArthur you know outlived him by you know eight years and so Sproul was like what took

01:00:43.160 you so long MacArthur answered back and said I never liked cigarettes which Sproul his lucky

01:00:49.920 stripe cigarette Sproul was a he was a tobacco appreciator so yeah so Meg Basham she's very much

01:00:58.840 in that camp, a big respecter of John MacArthur. And my point is just to say that Meg Basham is a

01:01:06.080 conservative Christian, and I wouldn't say otherwise. And I've had some interactions

01:01:09.460 with her, and she's a wonderful woman in many regards, so I don't mean to disrespect her or

01:01:14.120 give her a hard time. But I do think that she's wrong on this one. She kind of did what I think

01:01:20.180 a lot of times women are more vulnerable to, which is part of the reason why I don't particularly 1.00

01:01:25.760 like women as lead voices in the public sphere. I don't think that they're suited and called 1.00

01:01:33.260 towards that role in scripture because I think they'll call it compassion, but they lean too

01:01:42.880 hard sometimes in that direction. So Meg Basham was not saying, well, homosexuality is not a sin.

01:01:48.000 That's not fair at all. She never said that. She wouldn't say that, but she was kind of doing the

01:01:53.020 old adage of, well, hate the sin, love the sinner, right? And so she was saying like, well, we're not

01:01:58.520 told to hate, you know, the sinner. And then, you know, some people were pushing back and saying,

01:02:04.180 well, actually, there are multiple biblical texts that actually don't just say that we hate sin,

01:02:09.340 but that we actually hate sinners. Do I not loathe those who loathe you? But people were quoting

01:02:13.980 primarily the Psalms and Old Testament texts. And so then she clapped back and said, well, that's

01:02:19.460 the Old Testament, but we're not commanded to do that in the New Testament. And to give her

01:02:25.900 credit again, she's publicly been outspoken against, you know, ministers who have drifted

01:02:30.900 leftwards, such as Andy Stanley, with his famous sentiment of, you know, we're unhitching from the

01:02:35.620 Old Testament. So I know that she disagrees with that, but I think inadvertently she kind of did

01:02:41.260 that a little bit. Not to the degree of saying, well, homosexuality was a sin under the Old

01:02:46.000 covenant but it's not anymore she never said that that would not be fair um but but this you know

01:02:50.580 she was trying to say well but we we should be super super super loving towards uh the queer

01:02:56.000 um we just don't like queerness and uh and guys were saying no it's okay uh to publicly and and 0.65

01:03:02.760 again it's not either or i can actually have compassion and in compassion in compassion for

01:03:07.980 the homosexual i can publicly through social media in the public square exercise and and push 0.73

01:03:14.520 shame so that they might be incentivized to repent because that's what's best for them

01:03:20.280 and i love them and have compassion on them and want what's best for them and so first i think

01:03:25.620 the first misnomer was her um interpreting you know any kind of public pushing shaming um any

01:03:31.720 kind of public form of mockery towards a particular group of people who are you know uh not just uh

01:03:38.080 engaging in a sin but boasting about a particular sin um for her to say that that's not compassion

01:03:44.420 Well, actually, for some people, God alone sees the heart, right?

01:03:47.900 So that's where we don't want to judge inward motives.

01:03:50.600 God alone sees the heart.

01:03:51.540 But to say that it's not even possible to exercise shame in the public square towards

01:03:58.460 a particular person who is boasting about a particular sin and to say that you can't

01:04:03.600 do that, that it's impossible to do that without having compassion as well for that person

01:04:09.820 is is quite a claim um and difficult to prove uh but guys pushed back and kind of made that point

01:04:15.580 and she's like well you know but uh that's that's uh an old testament thing um you know in the new

01:04:21.900 testament uh we're not explicit uh explicitly commanded um to uh to hate sinners or to have

01:04:28.880 really any negative feelings towards sinners but just towards sin right so we hate the ethereal

01:04:34.640 you know impersonal entity of perversion but we uh but we love perverts and and i just think that

01:04:43.980 that's not really a good biblical hermeneutic and uh difficult to square so uh back to the question

01:04:49.600 that's that's my you know that's my take gm raptor is um i said it's gn uh gn oh okay i must have a

01:04:57.120 stigmatism or something all right no it looked like well that's why i was squinting and gave

01:05:01.380 it a second look so yeah gr oh my goodness i'm still seeing the m yep so yeah we're just gonna

01:05:09.960 call him raptor so uh it's a good question it's a fair question that would be my response is that

01:05:15.340 um on this particular uh instance i would say that's um that that was a meg basham l and um

01:05:22.080 and i you know disagree uh but at the same time um i think she's done a lot of good and so i you

01:05:28.380 didn't find me you know yesterday when a lot of people were piling on i i did my best to just kind

01:05:33.600 of stay out of it so i am grateful for a lot of her work i'm grateful i think she genuinely loves

01:05:38.200 the lord all those kinds of things she's certainly a christian woman a sister in christ but yeah i

01:05:43.880 do think that that was the wrong instinct and um you know i'm not going to draw it as a direct

01:05:50.040 correlation but i will at least say i'm not surprised that that this wrong conclusion came

01:05:56.240 from a Christian woman who has a very public-facing platform. And I do think that ordinarily,

01:06:05.320 as God's normative design, that the public square is not ordinarily normative conducive

01:06:14.200 for women. I think that it is a place for argumentation. It's a place for debate. It's a

01:06:20.940 place for ruling and decision making and leading and guiding. The public square, social media today

01:06:29.220 is the virtual public square. And when you think of, you know, even in the Proverbs where it says

01:06:33.780 that, you know, the godly woman, the wise woman, she praises her husband. But it's her husband

01:06:42.080 who sits in the city gates. In that culture, it was the city gates where that's where all the

01:06:47.720 women would sit, right? No, that's where the men would sit and they would deliberate and they would 1.00

01:06:52.460 discuss and they would plan and they would strategize and they ultimately would conclude

01:06:57.080 and decide decisions that were authoritative and binding for the village, for the city.

01:07:05.200 They would sit in the city gates. And I think that X and social media in a general sense

01:07:10.540 is our modern city gates. And I don't think that the city gates are, again, ordinarily normative

01:07:17.460 to be a place for women, to be sitting there amongst the men with their voice, exercising

01:07:25.020 their voice just as loudly as the men. I do think that ultimately that's a mistake. So I think Meg 0.87

01:07:30.380 Basham is the best of them. I think she's literally one of the best of them. I'm grateful for her. I

01:07:36.020 don't doubt her salvation. Of course, she's a sister in Christ. But yeah, if I was king for a

01:07:41.620 you know women would not be publicly for the entire world to see arguing with men online

01:07:50.340 yeah and i just real quick want to say something about about this you know we're called to be

01:07:58.200 judicious i think when it comes to how we treat um you know topics of you know confronting sin

01:08:04.380 so on and so forth and i think women more often than men tend to confuse sort of public and

01:08:09.200 private um engagement and how those differ and how you speak about something like obviously there

01:08:15.460 is a context in which someone approaches you know me or you and says hey look i have lived in this

01:08:22.040 kind of sin for 10 to 15 years um and i'm grieved by it and obviously our response isn't is is love

01:08:29.680 and compassion precisely i think what megan's trying to sort of um create uh or she's trying

01:08:37.140 of pressure people toward is saying hey we should be come back but it's like there is a difference

01:08:41.420 in these two different contexts you talk about the city gate the city gate is not that particular

01:08:45.780 context where it's highly individualized and there's elements of humility on behalf of one

01:08:51.840 person to another we are talking about ideas we're talking about what will win the world

01:08:57.720 and in those contexts it takes it takes pointedness and sometimes uncomfortable conversations

01:09:06.420 and confrontation and that kind of confrontation and pointedness i think is intrinsically correlated

01:09:13.600 and tied to masculine correct yep ethos it's it's not because it's like well that sounds sexist yes

01:09:21.560 i've said this so many times i can't believe i'm offended that i have to keep telling you guys this

01:09:25.440 yes of course i'm a sexist now i'll make the distinction i'm not a misogynist i don't hate

01:09:31.400 women. I am a sexist. I believe there's such a thing as women and that women exist and that 0.61

01:09:36.640 they're different from men. So I'm absolutely a sexist. I make no apology for that. This is one

01:09:40.980 of my crowning achievements. I'm very proud of that fact. I'm a proud sexist, but I'm not a

01:09:45.640 misogynist. I love women. And it's precisely because I love women that I want them protected 1.00

01:09:50.400 and I don't want them competing with men. Now in the name of sexism, right, that there's actually 0.71

01:09:54.820 two sexes, they are distinct, they actually exist and they have different roles. Well,

01:09:59.340 some of the character, defining characteristics of the woman, as we see in scripture, 1 Peter

01:10:04.500 chapter 3, is it, you know, men pursue strength, right? That's not 1 Peter 3, but ample scriptures

01:10:09.960 that talk about that, the Proverbs, the glory of the young man is his strength. And for an older

01:10:13.900 man, as he's sanctified, that physical strength gives way to his spiritual strength and wisdom,

01:10:18.940 right? His gray head, as his physical strength is fading in his old age, and his hair turns to gray,

01:10:24.880 it's a silver crown around his head. So the spiritual strength gives way to spiritual strength

01:10:30.660 in the form of wisdom. Well, so too for a woman, if we were to sum it up in a single word, it would 0.94

01:10:37.400 be beauty. So men's strength, when they're young, physical strength, it gives way to spiritual

01:10:42.040 strength, wisdom. Women, it's beauty. When they're young, it's a physical beauty that they should be

01:10:47.440 modest with, but they also should maintain and steward that physical beauty that God has given

01:10:53.540 them as a gift. And that gives way with sanctification and age to a spiritual beauty.

01:11:00.900 And we know that just as strength, physical strength fades, so too physical beauty fades.

01:11:05.520 You think of the text of scripture that says beauty is fleeting, right? Charm is deceptive

01:11:10.660 and beauty, physical, outward beauty is fleeting. But a woman who fears the Lord is to be praised. 0.90

01:11:15.980 And so now 1 Peter 3 talks about the beauty which is precious in the sight of God, which is not an 1.00

01:11:21.660 outward beauty, which is perishable, it fades, but it's an inward and therefore eternal imperishable

01:11:28.420 beauty. And then two different words, only two, that are used as the defining characteristics to

01:11:34.260 describe that inward and imperishable beauty, which God finds precious in his sight. And what

01:11:40.480 are the two words? Competitive and aggressive. No, quiet and gentle. A quiet and gentle spirit.

01:11:50.780 so so just that the the even just the the basic fundamental idea of putting women i've heard

01:11:57.940 people say um at first they you know people would say that um that x you know twitter formerly

01:12:03.120 twitter that it's um it's kind of like um it's it's the uh the public square you know where

01:12:08.740 the philosophers and debaters of this age you know they get together and duke it out and then

01:12:13.300 uh you know i've heard other guys say um more recently and i think this is is really accurate

01:12:18.300 said no it's not really the public square is the coliseum and it really is uh even the design right

01:12:24.800 that you're limited with characters and all this like it's it's for quick quips that are sharp

01:12:30.360 strong it's not for long form content right we do that on primarily uh you know in in video form

01:12:36.320 you know or you use substack and write an article or you do a video on youtube x is for like two

01:12:41.820 sentences that essentially say uh-uh you're wrong shut up you know like that's kind of that that's

01:12:47.920 kind of literally how fundamentally the platform is built and it's is you know from a marketing

01:12:52.540 standpoint it's genius you know because it's just it's just like boom boom boom boom boom boom boom

01:12:56.400 and everybody is kind of like the car wreck you know you're driving by and it's like you're

01:13:00.340 you're horrified but you can't look away you know so it attracts all these people on the sidelines

01:13:03.920 they're like oh snap you know donald trump is yelling at maga and maga just yelled back you

01:13:08.840 know and like and and so it's it's actually a great business model but the point is it really

01:13:13.340 is indicative, likened to the Colosseum. We don't put women in Colosseums. We don't. And we don't 1.00

01:13:20.520 put them in virtual Colosseum simulators. We don't. That's not the place. What is conducive

01:13:26.720 and indicative of a woman is beauty, not strength. And beauty, that is to be esteemed even more than

01:13:33.700 the physical beauty, is spiritual beauty, inward, internal beauty, which is imperishable. And that

01:13:40.020 is defined in a quintessential way by two primary characteristics quiet and gentle quiet and gentle

01:13:48.700 and so um yes uh we we want to see this is why my wife um is not on social media she has been in the

01:13:55.880 past um and it was different when it was like you know she's 22 years old she's single and she's on

01:14:01.720 social media so that she can share you know pictures of her graduation from college with

01:14:05.780 her grandma well now you know she's married to joel webbin being her social media experience

01:14:10.880 would be a little bit different these days uh by by virtue of her her um you know association with

01:14:16.940 me as her husband and so she just stays off um because i i don't i don't want her out there doing 0.88

01:14:23.680 battle and and subject to um the vitriol that we see where people would be mocking her and saying 0.99

01:14:29.620 this and saying that. No, my wife, her life is bliss. She is living her best life now. She's at

01:14:37.380 home, gets to be home full-time. Her husband provides for her and protects her, and she gets

01:14:42.720 to live with her five little babies at home. They're building forts in the living room. I come

01:14:47.720 home, and they're just having a grand old time. She doesn't miss social media at all. I've asked

01:14:53.320 her even a few times, would you want to make an anonymous account? Not to really even engage or

01:14:57.640 post, but just to see what's going on. She's like, that sounds terrible. I was like, you're right,

01:15:02.340 baby. What was I thinking? That is terrible. And so, yeah, so there's just men and women are

01:15:07.380 different in our design. Corresponding out of that, flowing out of design is a difference in

01:15:12.520 role, function. And with women, that function is beauty, not strength. Strength is for battle. 1.00

01:15:20.080 Beauty is not for war. It's not conducive with war. And the beauty that God finds most pleasing

01:15:25.960 and precious in his sight is an imperishable internal beauty which is defined as being quiet

01:15:31.220 and gentle and so yes i i do not believe that the public square much less a particular public

01:15:37.880 digital public square designed to be more function more like a coliseum is the proper environment 0.96

01:15:43.800 um to throw our wives and daughters into that's crazy yep sexist proud sexist one more question

01:15:50.760 all right what is it go uh i've got to read it oh here we go uh questions are this has been

01:15:57.320 addressed this from tmart 2323 but just wondering what the status of michael is right now big fan

01:16:02.340 of him and he is sorely missed hope he is well and there is no issue blessings so it was two

01:16:07.860 weeks ago friday was the episode we talked about the judges on the supreme court smack

01:16:12.280 smack down smack brown of katanji brown jackson related to immigration and michael announced on

01:16:18.380 the show you can go back to the very end of it what's the title real quick of that episode

01:16:21.540 supreme court nukes rogue judge be sure to spell rogue right if you want to find our episode be

01:16:30.920 be sure to spell rogue incorrectly right um us incorrect but yeah so it was it was that episode

01:16:35.620 and i think it was the final segment third segment michael gave a whole explanation yep

01:16:39.760 june 27th so he's doing great he's departing to work on some creative projects we love michael

01:16:44.780 um still i just saw him this week yeah yeah hung out with him this week still part of the church

01:16:50.260 uh loves our church we're friends and uh and it's just trying to give his emphasis to some other

01:16:55.860 things that he feels called to do yep yep so we have then for anyone who hasn't met this is

01:16:59.920 antonio he's not every single episode but a couple times a week been filling the chair and so

01:17:04.520 yeah that's how we're doing it going forward yeah for the rest of this year we've got some big

01:17:08.020 plans in the works uh for next year so we have some huge announcements uh by far we've done some

01:17:13.840 big announcements over the last four years or so since we started but uh this will be bigger than

01:17:17.620 all of them combined and multiplied by i think huge with a y 10 yeah huge these are huge um but

01:17:24.440 uh yeah huge things coming in 2026 and we'll be announcing it the very first week of january in

01:17:29.860 the year of our lord 2026 so stay tuned for that uh but just kind of as a makeshift you know interim

01:17:34.880 plan for the next six months finishing out 2025 what we've decided to do is have antonio part-time

01:17:40.740 so he'll be popping in one two times a week with our three uh episodes and then the ones where he's

01:17:45.940 not on uh we'll try in some instances to get a guest like we had scott turner uh scott horton

01:17:52.160 uh hop into the studio um on was that monday yeah that was like two days ago it feels like a year

01:17:57.940 ago uh two days ago we've had uh scott horton uh hop on the show and he was recently just a week

01:18:03.780 and a half ago on tucker carlson right um so just a just a small you guys probably haven't heard of

01:18:09.500 but uh just a mom and pop podcast uh carlson network so he was on the tucker carlson show

01:18:14.580 in person live in the studio and uh he happens to be local and we were able to connect with him

01:18:19.500 and uh and get him on the show and so uh antonio will be there about half the time and then we'll

01:18:23.700 get a guest uh when uh antonio is not either you know pipe them on remotely or if there's someone

01:18:29.140 local have him in the studio and there'll be a couple episodes that just wes and i'll do and

01:18:33.600 that'll be i think a plenty good plan to uh finish out this year and then we've got uh plans that we

01:18:39.020 already have had in the works for a long time, building up for 2026. All right. Is that it?

01:18:45.040 That's it. Feel good. Anything you want to add? No, that's everything. All right. Thanks for

01:18:48.640 tuning in. And Lord willing, we will see you this Friday. God bless.

The NXR Podcast - July 16, 2025

THE LIVESTREAM - Chip & Joanna Gaines Betray Their Christian Base

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