The NXR Podcast - THE LIVESTREAM - Conservatives Built Nothing - Can We Fix It？ w John Doyle

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00:00:26.820 conservatives today love to mock the excesses of woke culture blue-haired activists screaming

00:00:33.860 about oppression corporate hr departments policing pronouns hollywood churning out another soulless 0.96

00:00:40.660 cgi-infested morality play and it's easy to laugh but let's be honest what has conservatism 0.94

00:00:48.380 built in its place for the last half century conservatives have prided themselves on winning

00:00:55.360 elections, cutting taxes, and deregulating markets while ceding nearly every artistic,

00:01:02.680 literary, and cultural institution to the radical left. But now, with President Trump's victory,

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00:01:43.820 For my entire lifetime, conservatives have been in survival mode. But for the first time in the

00:01:49.340 providence of God, it seems as though we may have some tailwinds. So how do we turn this momentum

00:01:55.280 into a lasting cultural legacy? Let's get into it with special guest, John Doyle from Heck Off

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00:03:21.360 us for the second and sometimes third segment as well. All right, so that being said, let's go ahead

00:03:25.480 and start to lay out the framework for this episode, and then we'll invite John on. Michael,

00:03:30.340 lead us off. All right, really excited for today. Good afternoon, gentlemen. Good afternoon to those

00:03:35.240 of you watching live. Appreciate you all being with us. Today, we're going to be talking about

00:03:39.800 the moment that we're in, but specifically, is it possibly time when conservatives and Christians

00:03:47.420 could, again, begin to build culture? Now, as I was doing some research for this, I started

00:03:54.460 Googling around conservative culture building, Christian culture building, Christian conservative

00:03:58.640 culture building, and I realized, like, this is actually something that Christians think about a

00:04:03.200 lot. The problem is, almost all the searches that I was finding were how to build a vibrant church

00:04:09.320 culture, how to have a church culture that is different than the world, how to have a church

00:04:13.140 culture that is like the world. And the idea of culture, at least whenever I put the label

00:04:18.020 Christian, sometimes even conservative, in front of it, I was getting how to have a conservative

00:04:24.120 business culture, or how to have your church have a certain type of culture. And it kind of

00:04:31.040 surprised me, and I thought for all of our talk about culture, culture, culture this, culture that,

00:04:36.500 I actually think in a lot of ways, we have no idea what we're talking about when we talk about

00:04:41.580 building culture. What is culture? How do we build culture? What is it? And I did some reading of

00:04:47.920 some really great articles, and we'll share some quotes from those later on. But if you listen at

00:04:54.360 all to Jeff Childers from Coffee and COVID, just this week, he was pointing out the fact that

00:05:00.820 that a lot of things that tend to build and change

00:05:05.660 in culture have been stagnant in America

00:05:07.460 for the last 25 years.

00:05:09.180 So music has been figured out by computers

00:05:11.180 and it's just on a repeat loop.

00:05:13.100 There's really no new innovation

00:05:14.480 or nothing of note coming from music.

00:05:17.980 Movies are bigger budget and more action,

00:05:20.780 but they're not really like,

00:05:21.660 there's been no culturally defining

00:05:24.220 since the Lord of the Rings, really, I would say.

00:05:26.660 Even he was pointing out,

00:05:27.960 and I didn't do the research here,

00:05:29.580 so I'm taking his word out of it, but he was saying even fashion trends have like just kind

00:05:33.640 of stalled. And he said, if you go to a restaurant, it used to be that, you know, clothing from the

00:05:37.920 seventies and from the eighties. And he said that, well, you know, by and large, even fashion has

00:05:43.720 just kind of been on autopilot. And it got me really thinking about what it is that we're

00:05:49.080 trying to accomplish when we talk about Christian culture, conservative culture. And a lot of what

00:05:56.640 we have had to do because we've been living in negative world is reject or react against or

00:06:04.240 respond to woke culture or DEI culture. And so some of the best examples of building culture

00:06:11.220 that we get, Nate, you can put the picture of the movie poster on the screen, is we get things like

00:06:17.120 the Daily Wire's Lady Ballers, right? Which, okay, great, fine, funny movie, I guess. I didn't see it.

00:06:22.940 But this is a reaction movie.

00:06:25.160 This is a reaction against something that's going on in culture rather than building culture.

00:06:30.500 And even before the episode started, Wes and I were talking about how rough the years were back when, you know, the best that Christianity had to offer was movies like Fireproof.

00:06:40.620 Which, for the record, love the heart of the people that said, we're going to make an explicitly Christian movie.

00:06:45.820 We're going to put a gospel message in there.

00:06:47.720 We're going to do our best.

00:06:48.460 So we're not here like, so you actually did try to make some culture and it was terrible

00:06:52.460 and can't believe it.

00:06:53.520 Yeah.

00:06:53.820 Praise God for the energy and the heart behind it.

00:06:55.840 But like we're going to talk about, there's just a piece of the puzzle missing.

00:06:58.860 Yeah.

00:06:59.420 Yeah.

00:07:00.180 So for lots of reasons that are understandable, I'm not here just to necessarily throw shade.

00:07:04.920 Like we have been, and as we found out with the USAID and the funding of all these wicked

00:07:12.060 and counter-natural impulses.

00:07:15.560 Like we actually, Christians and conservatives

00:07:17.220 have actually been fighting against a wave

00:07:20.520 and an effort to create aberrant and distorted culture.

00:07:25.560 And so it's not necessarily,

00:07:28.060 it's understandable why some of our response

00:07:31.120 to culture has been reactionary. 1.00

00:07:32.560 We have to reject the woke, we have to reject the gay, 0.96

00:07:34.580 we have to reject the feminist. 0.77

00:07:37.600 And yet it leaves us at this point

00:07:40.480 that I think is catching some of us off guard,

00:07:43.620 where, as Joel said in the cold open, the tailwinds, right?

00:07:47.980 Maybe we're at a moment now where we can stop reacting

00:07:51.380 and start actually creating something.

00:07:53.740 The last thing I wanted to say about this,

00:07:55.380 just kind of by way of introducing the topic,

00:07:57.380 is, I don't know, this week or last week,

00:07:59.680 we talked about the idea that Christians tend to view

00:08:08.360 the gospel as countercultural. And we talked about that in one of the early previous episodes

00:08:15.160 recently. And I heard growing up all the time, Christianity is countercultural. The gospel is

00:08:21.500 countercultural. Everything about the Bible and the Bible's message is countercultural. And so we 0.94

00:08:27.160 had this phrase that we coined in the 90s and the 2000s, the economy of mercy, which I understand

00:08:32.320 what we're saying. There was a good Switchfoot song about that at the time. But this idea that

00:08:38.160 everything in the kingdom is upside down uh from what we would see here in the world and of course

00:08:43.720 there's there's like so many things there's a spiritual reality and a spiritual truth there

00:08:47.320 but after the episode i was thinking about that a lot and i thought if a christian is told

00:08:53.940 that the gospel in the bible is by definition and always counter-cultural then there's no place

00:09:02.900 for christianity in building culture right there's no place in um thinking as a conservative or as a

00:09:11.300 christian of how i'm going to build culture because if you actually had a christian culture

00:09:15.540 yes uh in society at large then the church would have to be antagonistic to it 100 it's basically

00:09:23.100 the church just saying it's it's the same as liberals you lick your fingers stick it up in

00:09:28.120 the air and see which way the wind is blowing so that you can go with it but if we're not careful 0.98

00:09:32.140 you know christians can be merely contrarians we would just do the opposite we're still licking

00:09:36.220 our finger putting in the wind seeing which direction the wind is blowing and then and then

00:09:40.280 we just determine the opposite so if you actually have a christian culture in society at large

00:09:44.240 then the church actually has to embody some kind of anti-christian culture which to be to be frank

00:09:51.000 i think that is kind of what um conservatives have done and we've we've got to find a way to

00:09:57.120 shake it um this is part of what i'm probably going to be discussing uh at the new christendom

00:10:02.660 conference uh coming up in june i'll be one of the speakers there i'm honored to uh to go get

00:10:06.840 to go back and and do that now for a second time um but my talk from last year when they had me

00:10:13.520 was i talked about you know basically the whole point was um you win by winning um you know like

00:10:19.980 it was pretty simple but but quite novel for uh many christians uh even today still uh haven't

00:10:26.520 quite got the memo um but especially um midway you know summer of last year uh that was you know

00:10:32.840 i think a lot of people were tempted to um you know they just had this mindset of we win by by

00:10:38.260 losing like it's an over-realized um doctrine of you know theology of the cross and over-realized

00:10:45.500 suffering kind of a john piper um poverty gospel you know so like you win by losing you win by

00:10:53.180 dying you know um and and so and and so then all of a sudden you know christianity can can become

00:10:59.600 in a sense suicidal um because you actually think that that's the goal you actually think that that's

00:11:04.660 um that becomes the metric for success is how much are we being persecuted baptists are notorious

00:11:10.260 with this baptists have a a very uh unusual um peculiar relationship with persecution on the

00:11:16.260 one hand they fear it more than anything else right there's so many baptists that we can't you

00:11:20.220 know i remember in 2022 you know advocating for christian nationalism and baptists were some of

00:11:25.860 the biggest opponents to that idea and they're like we can't have christian nationalism because

00:11:29.280 if we do then you know if you have a state that's christian then they're going to start you know

00:11:35.660 inflicting punishments and persecution on the baptists you know for not baptizing our babies

00:11:40.320 we're going to get flogged or beaten or thrown in jail and i'm like i mean even when you look

00:11:45.160 historically when those things actually did happen you're talking about the numbers are so

00:11:50.580 small especially by comparison when you think of all the abuses under secular humanism right this

00:11:56.080 idea this myth of neutrality uh by having a neutral state a non-relate it's not christian it's not you

00:12:01.920 know it's a secular state um well what's what happened what's the worst that could happen under

00:12:06.080 that i don't know maybe 70 million dead babies right and you're you're like honestly if a few

00:12:12.080 baptists get flogged well um i i would i would take that personally i if it means that that me

00:12:19.400 and and a couple other dozen baptists are mistreated yes is that sin yes would that be 0.51

00:12:25.060 wrong yes um but i'd take that any day of the week over 70 million dead dead babies like a grown man

00:12:31.360 being sore for a couple days versus the death of a child yeah yeah so yeah so anyways baptists have

00:12:37.580 this weird religion on the one hand um the baptist is notoriously afraid of persecution

00:12:42.300 the baptist has the loser theology runs so deep in the baptist mind that uh because that's that's

00:12:51.180 a funny thing is it like again back to 2022 and the christian nationalism you know uh um 0.88

00:12:56.340 debates that were happening you know online um baptists outnumber presbyterians in our country

00:13:02.600 10 to 1 and yet the loser theology runs so deep they they inherently believed that if we had a

00:13:09.460 christian state it would be presbyterian it would be paedo-baptist instead of credo-baptist 10 to 1

00:13:16.320 we outnumber them and they're thinking yeah but if the state becomes christian it'll be some other

00:13:22.100 brand of christianity because we're baptist and we lose we lose right that's like if there's

00:13:27.240 anything the baptists do it's uh they baptize upon a profession of faith and they lose right

00:13:31.900 that's you know that's the mo on the other hand back to this relationship with persecution that's

00:13:36.680 so weird i can't quite comprehend it they're afraid of persecution more than anything in the

00:13:41.960 world and it's also their secret fantasy like their greatest aspiration the the baptist uh

00:13:50.280 silent quiet unspoken greatest ambition and dream that that he could possibly have is that one day

00:13:57.120 he would be you know john bunyan and imprisoned you know for preaching without the proper you know

00:14:02.540 papers and that that so it's like the baptist is terrified of persecution sacralism or whatever

00:14:08.520 you want to call it he's terrified of persecution and also he's rooting for it he's in the same

00:14:16.020 breath it's like like we can't do that because um if if we had a christian state baptists would

00:14:21.860 be persecuted more than an anti-christian state yes i like number one i don't know how your math

00:14:28.720 adds up with that but then number two uh we can't do it um because baptists would be persecuted if

00:14:34.380 we had a christian state and then dot dot dot the fine print is and also that would be awesome so

00:14:40.260 so anyways all that being said the baptist is committed i said one thing but you know to be

00:14:44.380 fair it's two baptizing upon a profession of faith and ensuring that we lose in every meaningful

00:14:50.160 battle that you could possibly undertake that's that's kind of where we are so all that being said

00:14:54.900 baptists um it was a lot of baptists that were against christian nationalism they also around

00:15:00.120 that same time and still to this day are very much against christian culture they they don't

00:15:04.520 want a broader christian culture because they think that a christian culture means a that it

00:15:08.780 necessitates a nominal christian culture and a nominal christian culture will produce uh nominal

00:15:14.440 christian institutions nominal christian seminaries that will train nominal christian pastors with

00:15:19.920 nominal christian doctrine so that you'll have nominal christian gospel proclamation so that

00:15:24.640 you'll have ultimately a bunch of you'll you'll have a um an epidemic of false assurance you'll

00:15:30.120 have a bunch of people who think they're christians but they're not um and and i just i

00:15:35.440 reject that i outright reject it basically to sum it up to make it simple what they're saying

00:15:40.280 is that is that a christian state would necessitate a faithless church and i don't know i i i don't know

00:15:51.720 how you in principle like now you can point historically to certain periods in time where

00:15:56.360 that happened we had a christian state it was a christian society at large and uh the church

00:16:01.700 whether it be in england you know or something like and the church to chose to embrace certain

00:16:06.140 abuses or compromises or things like that that so that is possible that you could have um this

00:16:12.340 this overlap where christianity is not just within the church but there's christianity and the

00:16:17.500 government as well in the state in the civil realm and then the church gets lackadaisical

00:16:22.760 or the church uh gets too big for its britches and you know starts to um to put into play

00:16:29.260 indulgences you know or things like that so um there are historical moments where that's happened

00:16:34.920 But in principle, there's nothing biblical that necessitates, as a principle, that a faithful state means that you must have, therefore, a faithless church.

00:16:49.260 I'll say that again.

00:16:50.860 Biblically speaking, historically, you can point to case studies.

00:16:54.620 There will always be anomalies.

00:16:56.860 But that's experience.

00:16:59.080 So in practice, you can find examples, but in principle, not practice, but in principle, there is no biblical,

00:17:07.160 principial argument that says a faithful state necessitates a faithless church.

00:17:15.480 Nothing.

00:17:16.460 You can't make that argument from the scripture.

00:17:19.200 So then as Christians, should we want the state to be anti-Christian or should we want it to be Christ-esteeming?

00:17:29.080 And I would think that it would be the latter, that given those two choices, we would want a

00:17:34.320 state that exalts Christ rather than blasphemes Christ. And so then if you can accomplish that

00:17:41.340 by the grace of God, and it has been accomplished before, so this is not mere theoretical talk,

00:17:46.580 we're talking about something that I believe, first and foremost, the scripture supports.

00:17:51.300 And secondly, not only do we have a principle from scripture to support it, but we also have,

00:17:56.200 in this case, both. We have the principle from Scripture and the history. There are moments where

00:18:01.780 you have had a Christian state. And so, if it's happened before, and we're not talking about

00:18:07.320 something that happened 3,000 years ago, if it's happened before in our history, in our recent

00:18:12.980 history, and here in these United States. So, it's happened before, it's happened recently before,

00:18:19.720 and it's happened here before. If that's the case, then I believe that by God's grace, maybe it could

00:18:25.860 be achieved again and if slash when it's achieved again then conservatives and christians and i know

00:18:35.080 it's hard guys but even baptists if we have a christian state and a broader christian culture

00:18:41.560 baptists will have to find a way to embrace christian culture within that macrocosm and not

00:18:49.920 be just a contrarian as a microcosm within it and i feel like that that's all my whole life that's

00:18:56.460 all reformed christianity has been that's literally all it's which microcosm are you a part of right

00:19:01.860 so you have the macro is seeker sensitive christianity so then the micro is john macarthur

00:19:07.000 but if you're really it's like inception like leonardo dicaprio but if you're really enlightened

00:19:11.140 then you'll be a dream within a dream within a dream you'll be a microcosm within a microcosm

00:19:15.680 within a mic so it's like you've got seeker sensitive christianity at the macro level then

00:19:20.140 you got john mccarthur but then once john mccarthur picks up enough momentum and he's got a big enough

00:19:24.560 ministry well now you need a contrarian for john mccarthur who was already a contrarian to the

00:19:29.020 you know and so now you have the anti-seeker sensitive but also anti-john mccarthur but

00:19:34.460 you know and then it just and it just splinters and splinters and splinters and splinters and

00:19:39.180 every group is just merely a contrarian reaction to the other group nobody's actually building

00:19:44.560 anything. We're just all pointing and criticizing everything. No one's building anything. You're

00:19:50.220 just criticizing everything. And that's where we are. And the last thing I'll say is I think part

00:19:55.960 of that is because of the bad theology and things I've already addressed. But I think also part of

00:20:01.140 it is because we're so used to losing. We're so used to the majority being against us. We are so

00:20:08.160 pessimistic in our our view of the world um we we ultimately we we just we think that we we really

00:20:16.400 do believe that we lose down here and so um that said what do you do if god in his providence

00:20:22.660 decides to shake things up and it looks like that might be what's happening i understand that there's

00:20:28.540 a lot of people you know who think it's all just a psyop you know the nothing nothing ever happens

00:20:32.660 bros you know like this you know trump's got you right where he wants you he's just making you

00:20:37.480 think you know this and that but really he's gonna you know he's about to pull the rug out

00:20:41.720 from underneath you and it's going to be even worse than kamala you know and um and and yeah

00:20:47.400 sure that's a possibility but for a moment could we just consider what if it's not like what if

00:20:54.980 at the larger level culturally with society as a whole beyond merely the church what if things are

00:21:00.640 improving what if things are improving and if that's the case then then christians have to

00:21:07.600 shift and this is kind of what i want to talk about at new christian press um christians will

00:21:12.660 have to shift from survival mode to um to taking the next hill and securing the next victory and

00:21:21.260 then moving on and going for more going for broke i i think all this back to our topic today with

00:21:26.900 culture i think part of the reason we don't have much of a culture is because um culture creating

00:21:33.460 requires a high risk tolerance it requires risk so even when i think historically

00:21:40.580 of great cultural that you know people always say like white people don't have culture

00:21:44.020 it's like have you seen an opera a symphony a ballet have like have you been to france 0.94

00:21:51.700 have you been to england like what do you mean white people don't have a culture

00:21:56.000 White people have an incredible culture.

00:21:59.700 And not just an incredible culture among all these other cultures that are equally incredible. 0.99

00:22:04.740 No, not every culture is equal. 0.57

00:22:06.860 And European culture, for the last thousand years, has been in large part a superior culture.

00:22:14.400 Precisely because, not despite, but because it has been so heavily influenced by the Christian gospel and the Christian faith.

00:22:22.100 we have had not only have we had a culture we've had an incredible culture but it's been the

00:22:27.360 dominant culture for so long that it's like a fish swimming in water you know two fish swimming

00:22:32.240 by and one of them says the water sure is nice today and the other one says what's water you 0.55

00:22:36.640 know so what what is christian culture what is european culture what's white culture because

00:22:40.940 because we've been living in it like a fish in water what's all you know for centuries for

00:22:47.860 centuries. But my point is that during so much of these moments where Christendom is shining,

00:22:54.040 or as Bunyan, to use him as an example, John Bunyan in Pilgrim's Progress, he would say,

00:22:58.800 when religion is walking through the streets and being praised by the populace on the sidelines,

00:23:04.580 and she's walking in her robes and her glass slippers, she's well adorned, she's appreciated

00:23:09.380 rather than despised. In those moments, which we have had many in European and American culture

00:23:15.960 throughout Christendom over the past several centuries, in those moments, here's one of the

00:23:20.360 things that you have. You have tailwinds. And with tailwinds comes prosperity, opulence,

00:23:28.600 and with that comes opportunity to where you can afford to risk. So when you look back and you

00:23:34.740 think, who are some of the great minds? Not just with theology, Jonathan Edwards, Martin Luther,

00:23:40.460 um but but even when you look at uh beyond that again culture like when you look at music

00:23:46.260 beethoven mozart all that like what's one thing that they have in common they're all rich

00:23:51.460 like sometimes i think like how did how did luther afford to write all the time

00:23:56.800 oh that's right he had servants yeah how could edward just sit and go on his horse

00:24:03.860 for 12 hours and think all day oh slaves there were a lot of writers who were impoverished

00:24:10.440 accomplished but yes but they they gave up some of the other things in order to produce their art

00:24:16.080 right they gave up they created somehow they created a surplus whether it was depriving

00:24:20.940 themselves of relationship or or of a temporal comforts or whatever but but in order to create

00:24:26.240 culture you have to take risk and in order to take risk you have to have an opportunity you

00:24:31.260 have to have a surplus and i think so so when when you think of recent conservative christian

00:24:37.040 culture this is what like this is what you think of you think of homesteading right well what is

00:24:43.360 homesteading like what like what does that spring out of oh i know what that springs out of that

00:24:47.760 springs out of thinking the world's about to end that springs out of i've got five kids i need to

00:24:52.980 be able to feed them when china invades you know or whatever and so you know we're in addition to 0.72

00:24:59.580 my 40 hour a week job you know we're we're doing a garden in the backyard you know and and we're

00:25:05.080 and who are we learning from who's inspiring us a guy who is self-sufficient by homesteading and

00:25:10.580 what he neglected to include is the fact that he actually made all of his money in software

00:25:14.960 engineering behind every homesteading wife on instagram is a man who works in software

00:25:19.560 and just seriously all of them all of them all of them but i read this book called i won't say it

00:25:27.680 because i don't want to you know disparage him yep that guy too uh-huh all of them so the point

00:25:32.640 is i'm not you know trying to poo poo you you want to just start good habits and do something

00:25:37.140 together as a family touch grass learn where your food comes i like there's there's plenty of good

00:25:42.020 reasons to do it um i don't think practically for survival like if you just practically want to

00:25:47.260 survive if everybody's starving uh then your neighbors are going to get into your garden

00:25:50.920 right have you ever read peter rabbit you know i'm familiar with that book that's what's going

00:25:54.560 to happen so if it's just survival go to costco buy a bunch of the buckets lock it up in your

00:25:58.840 garage you know and there you go there's your survival um but there are good reasons to homestead

00:26:04.320 and these kind of get your chickens and get this and get that one to have food that's not poison

00:26:08.260 that makes sense that makes sense but in addition to that um just to do something as a family and

00:26:13.340 teach good work habits and to you know to all there's plenty of of um virtue virtue reasons

00:26:19.620 besides just mere survival practical reasons but here's my point i think that not historically so

00:26:26.180 now i'm shifting to the microcosm recently over the last decade and a half as we've gone you know

00:26:31.840 erin wren's you know positive neutral and negative world as we've shifted into negative world

00:26:36.760 a lot of conservative thinking if there is any conservative culture whatsoever it's all been

00:26:42.780 built around survival it's all been built around a minority mentality a remnant mentality and so

00:26:51.300 those are the scriptures that get the limelight is you know little flock a remnant um the few

00:26:58.920 the proud and this survival kind of mentality and how to uh how to be off the grid or uh here's a

00:27:05.620 parallel economy right so then the businesses that do start um it's you know the big thrust

00:27:11.220 is not necessarily having an innovative product but uh simply hey you don't want to support you

00:27:17.940 know what guys who hate you do you so give your money to us well okay what do you provide well

00:27:22.340 we provide a product exactly like theirs except a little bit lower quality and a higher price

00:27:27.340 and an american flag on the tag and an american flag right exactly um you know but then whenever

00:27:32.880 there's some serious conservative you know issue um you can count on us you know not to support it

00:27:38.440 and actually turn and turn on our own base like um like black rifle coffee did with kyle rittenhouse

00:27:45.200 right you know uh conservative like with conservatives like these you know um you know

00:27:50.620 who needs liberals so all that being said i think that we're entering into a period where for the

00:27:55.520 first time in a while uh we're about to have some series i think we have them now and it's only

00:28:00.720 going to pick up not headwinds but tailwinds and with tailwinds comes a surplus and with surpluses

00:28:07.940 we must be able to shift the mindset from survival culture to thriving culture we now have

00:28:14.740 excess. We can afford to not just conservatives, what's your culture? Homesteading in the backyard.

00:28:20.020 No, we can actually take risks. We could actually produce great art. We could do things like

00:28:25.140 Christendom passed. How did that guy afford all the time of the day to write? Well, because he

00:28:33.420 actually had some means, and he had other people that he could afford to pay to do menial tasks.

00:28:38.860 We are entering that season of life, not because we're bringing back slaves. I'm not saying that.

00:28:44.740 but whether it's our ai slaves that's what i'm saying so technologically so whether it's ai

00:28:50.140 um the fact that you have jd vance who just now basically today canceled cancel culture he said

00:28:56.740 yeah i disagree with what that young guy said under a pseudonym um i think that that's uh atrocious

00:29:01.920 but uh he shouldn't have his life ruined uh elon uh i think you should hire him again and then

00:29:06.820 elon said yep i think we're going to bring him back yep and he's getting a second chance so

00:29:10.820 if we're not in survival mode because cancel culture is dissipating and the economy may be

00:29:18.080 improving and your workplace may not be going into a den of lions where the slightest slip up

00:29:27.100 and you're fired. If all these things are changing, if we really are going to deport

00:29:32.900 millions that are a drain, a constant burden on our wallets, and all of a sudden everybody has

00:29:40.580 a little extra money in their pockets, a little lighter step, skipping their step, a little less

00:29:46.200 worry about being canceled and having their lives ruined, then homesteading probably shouldn't be

00:29:51.100 our culture moving forward. I know why it was looking back. It probably shouldn't be moving

00:29:57.720 forward. Even guys like I so appreciate Andrew Torba. I really do. People will be like, oh,

00:30:03.000 you're endorsing Andrew Torba. Well, he said this anti-Semitic thing or he said, well, this is where

00:30:06.940 i wish i physically had a copy of the donald trump card you know that says who cares right

00:30:11.520 you can play this card you know and everybody has to just buzz off um but i don't agree with

00:30:16.500 everything that torba says um but i believe he's a christian brother i love him and appreciate him

00:30:21.740 and i'm not going to be ashamed of him so publicly i like andrew torba deal with it i don't know what

00:30:28.140 to tell you that said during negative like the height of negative world he started gab a parallel

00:30:34.800 uh economy business for free speech um this is what most people what most conservatives would

00:30:43.880 be tempted to do and would have done all of a sudden the wind starts shifting the vibe shift

00:30:49.540 is happening like think about this elon musk buys twitter turns it into x and starts loosening up

00:30:56.140 replaces fires 90 of the staff gets rid of the fact checkers and replaces them with community

00:31:00.640 notes and right now even today is like yeah i'm going to hire back that guy that you know that

00:31:04.720 the left tried to cancel. We're no longer going to cancel our own. You would think that someone

00:31:08.800 like Torba, he would have every financial, practically speaking, every financial incentive

00:31:13.980 to say, it's just a psyop, Musk, you know, and just post every single day, right? I mean,

00:31:21.480 this is what he's known for anyways. Why not lean into it? Just post every single day the picture

00:31:24.980 of Musk wearing the tiny hat and going to the magical wall and praying, you know, and pictures

00:31:29.720 of Trump. Torben didn't do that. He refused to be a contrarian. He refused to be an incessant

00:31:37.420 black pillar. And this isn't just somebody who has those convictions. His livelihood is tied up 0.96

00:31:44.700 in this. Because think about this. If X really does become a free speech platform like it is

00:31:50.040 currently, then who needs Gap? Who needs Gap? You are literally working for your number one

00:31:58.140 competitor by encouraging every like encouraging elon and working with him who does that that is

00:32:04.700 so counterintuitive you want to talk about being countercultural who does that i'll tell you who

00:32:08.660 christians who who actually don't just want to win personally but actually want to see the glory and

00:32:16.600 the fame of jesus win they want the knowledge of the glory of god to cover the whole earth as the

00:32:21.840 waters cover the sea. Torba actually wants to win, even if it means him personally. It's almost like

00:32:28.320 I'm not making a one-to-one comparison. It would be blasphemous. Just I want to paint the picture

00:32:33.980 in your mind. This is a much lesser degree, but similar concept. When Jesus comes on the scene,

00:32:40.540 John the Baptist says, he must increase. I must decrease. It's like Elon Musk comes on the scene

00:32:46.740 who is not jesus understand the analogy it's merely analogy and torba instead of saying he's

00:32:53.120 trying to pull the wool over your head this is actually a psyop he's actually you know he wears

00:32:57.740 the tiny hat he's actually a zionist he instead he says all right maybe gab has served its function

00:33:03.780 right there was a season where we needed gab it was the only place we had um but if the whole world

00:33:10.820 can speak freely that's better i want what's better for humanity and for the glory of god

00:33:17.540 not just for andrew torba and that's the position he took conservatives are going to have to think

00:33:22.600 like that and and for some of you guys it's going to mean that durable trades is not actually going

00:33:29.500 to be the focus for the next four years and i understand why it was for the last four years

00:33:33.320 but it may not be the next move durable trades chickens in the backyard i should start a gab

00:33:40.400 account um are are we posting enough on rumble um because all of a sudden survival culture

00:33:48.600 doesn't have to be our fate thriving culture with a surplus with tailwinds that allows for

00:33:56.820 risk taking and it's people who take risk that's your great artist that set culture for centuries

00:34:03.000 it's the guy who took a risk it's the it's it's the musician who did something new innovative

00:34:09.660 And honestly, people who are barely hanging on, people impoverished, people afraid, people

00:34:16.160 scared, they don't set culture because culture requires art.

00:34:20.680 Great art requires courage.

00:34:23.000 And we are now in the promise of God being placed positionally where we can exercise

00:34:29.120 courage without it meaning the end of our family and our children.

00:34:35.780 And so I think we're going to see more conservatives and Christians stepping out,

00:34:40.180 taking courage. But don't wait 10 years. The wind is shifting now. The sons of Issachar know the

00:34:48.400 time. Seize it. Don't wait. Don't be late to the game. The Lord is doing something. He's doing 0.99

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00:36:52.580 all right welcome to the show thanks for coming on great fit yeah thank you for having me uh tell

00:36:58.320 our listeners just a little bit about yourself what do you do how can people follow you let's

00:37:02.740 start with that sure yeah i just talk about politics on the internet and if you have any

00:37:08.100 interest in that you can find me at youtube.com slash john doyle or uh twitter at comrade doyle

00:37:14.040 Cool. All right. So I've got Michael Belch and Wesley Todd with me. Michael has kind of outlined

00:37:19.960 this episode and he's got some questions queued up that he wants to ask you.

00:37:24.300 Sure. Thanks for joining us today, John. In preparation for the episode, we listened to

00:37:29.640 the video that you did about a year ago on white conservative psychic culture. And one of the

00:37:36.360 things that you mentioned in that video was that part of it was because we live in a time at the

00:37:43.120 then where degeneracy is promoted and promulgated and pushed. And one of the big questions that

00:37:49.140 we're trying to answer with this episode is, even before we get into culture making and why it

00:37:55.000 matters, are we seeing for the first time in a while a time where true culture, which is the

00:38:02.480 admiration of the good, the beautiful and the true, can that have a hearing in the public square

00:38:08.120 now is is what trump is seeking to tear apart and undo are we seeing the dawn of of possibly

00:38:13.960 conservatives and christians being able to uh like you said in the video like it has to be profitable

00:38:20.180 for culture makers to some degree to make the culture or else they won't be able to are we on

00:38:24.940 that tipping point do you think i think we could be in a very real sense simply because so much of

00:38:31.100 what has allowed these people to spread evil and ugliness throughout society is that they are

00:38:35.380 rewarded for doing this monetarily. And through Trump attacking something like that USAID program,

00:38:41.860 which is literally just like a patronage network that pays all sorts of activists and NGOs and

00:38:47.000 people who are right now responsible for making culture very, very handsome salaries to just

00:38:51.620 spread ugliness and evil throughout society. If that incentive goes away, these people are going

00:38:55.840 to be unemployed and they probably all have significant student debt. And so their lives

00:38:59.780 are going to be ruined because they've been living in service of evil. And when that goes away,

00:39:03.900 when you no longer are just walking throughout society and seeing such evil and ugliness like

00:39:08.380 pushed in your face i think that people will tend to sort of heal and go back to making things that

00:39:13.200 are more wholesome and reflective of a more wholesome spirit which really is just what

00:39:16.820 culture is i mean i think it's just a natural reflection of the spirit of the people and if

00:39:21.740 that spirit is corroded and polluted it's going to look a certain way but if it's allowed to sort

00:39:26.440 of exist and become more wholesome then it's going to exist in a much more wholesome way which is i

00:39:30.360 think what we've seen for a very long time in this country until the past maybe uh 60 years or so

00:39:34.800 and so i'm optimistic on the basis of that and i think people too are just repulsed by it i mean

00:39:39.160 they're sick of having to see like these like fat models on billboards in times square they're sick

00:39:44.660 of seeing you know children treated like prostitutes and netflix programs um they're just 0.90

00:39:49.100 like fed up with it but they didn't really have an avenue for reproach until thankfully by the

00:39:53.520 grace of God, this administration. Yeah. Well said. I think it's profoundly encouraging because

00:40:01.160 like you said with the patronage network and the money going away, like right-wing propaganda,

00:40:06.060 like what is it? A loving family, a father going to work, a family attending church. The point is

00:40:11.260 it's free. It's free to make children, for example. So it's really free, and it's just living life

00:40:16.000 that encouraged people to pursue the good, the true, and the beautiful, and then the other side

00:40:20.640 to make people think that uh you know flat fat black women and calvin klein is beautiful well

00:40:25.760 that takes millions and millions and millions of dollars right so that's really encouraging that

00:40:29.680 our stuff free easy wonderful awesome enjoyable to do and for them to do it uh it required decades

00:40:36.820 of setting up some type of infrastructure to even support for i don't know two three years

00:40:42.460 maybe people may be believing like oh yeah you know being gay is just the same as being straight

00:40:48.360 and it all came collapsing down anyway so i'm profoundly encouraged by that right yeah and

00:40:52.880 something like that could only exist with people tuned into screens all day every day which we are

00:40:57.280 just the way our society is um and for that propaganda to be just pushing your face at all

00:41:02.340 times could like you said sustain that suspension of belief for maybe three years or so um but i

00:41:08.160 mean once push came to shove it all collapsed pretty quickly and people are tired of it

00:41:11.920 Yeah. Joining that video that you that I mentioned of yours earlier, which to our audience, if you if you want a really great listen, that that video was was fantastic on on John Doyle's YouTube channel.

00:41:27.340 Do you remember the title, John?

00:41:29.780 Well, thank you for saying that. Yes, the video was titled Why Conservatives Can't Create Culture, I think.

00:41:35.260 Thank you. Yeah. Something like that.

00:41:36.940 That's right. Yep. So two things that you said in that video, I'm wondering if they've changed now, given the current cultural and political climate or not.

00:41:46.580 One of the things that you said was when you were in college, a lot of the, especially the white students who were having to take the required DEA class, DEI class, sorry, not DEA, they would do what they had to do to get a passing grade, but they just were not buying it.

00:42:02.480 they were not retaining it.

00:42:03.980 It was really just water off the duck's back.

00:42:07.000 And you went through some of the statistics

00:42:08.380 about the people who think

00:42:10.840 that the founding fathers were villains.

00:42:12.400 And really you said like the majority of culture

00:42:14.780 of the nation, actually most people don't.

00:42:17.980 The other thing that you said was

00:42:19.520 culture is the production of the soul of a society.

00:42:23.740 And so I'm wondering how you would rate

00:42:27.080 American society right now.

00:42:29.140 Are we capable right now of producing

00:42:31.020 good meaningful culture um are is our is the soul of society has most of this the the events of the

00:42:39.420 past five ten years been water off the duck's back or are we or do we have to do some repair

00:42:45.220 to the soul of the society before we can expect really any sort of meaningful culture to start

00:42:50.540 being produced uh to answer the second half first i think that we absolutely can now that the boot

00:42:56.320 is kind of being removed from our necks.

00:42:59.400 And I think that what people regard as high culture

00:43:03.260 or things that become very popular

00:43:04.720 are started because of those one in one million examples

00:43:07.980 of people who are very talented

00:43:09.300 and gifted in their particular fields,

00:43:11.740 awarded those gifts by something divine.

00:43:14.000 And when they're allowed to express that

00:43:15.420 and people are allowed to gravitate towards that,

00:43:17.720 that ends up creating cultural traditions

00:43:19.680 which define our society.

00:43:21.880 And I think what we've experienced in the last few decades

00:43:24.140 is what people are calling you know stuck culture we seem to be stagnant we're just taking the same

00:43:29.520 thing and repackaging it releasing it whether that's popular film franchises or tropes in

00:43:35.200 literature i mean when's the last time like a good book was published like people are reading you know

00:43:38.740 slop from the new york times bestseller list or stuff that you can pick up in an airport bookstore

00:43:43.120 but nothing really seems to be profound and i think to be honest with you a lot of that is just

00:43:47.900 simply related to our immigration policy because you are importing literally tens of millions of

00:43:53.720 people who have never experienced American culture, which means they haven't been around

00:43:58.100 long enough to sort of see the rhymes and the repetitions to where they wouldn't want to

00:44:02.640 participate in it. And then also they're coming from parts of the world, which frankly are just

00:44:07.240 less intelligent on average. And so they are willing to sort of go into the movie theater 1.00

00:44:11.900 for the millionth time to watch the superhero movie, because to them, it's like always going

00:44:16.240 to be a new experience. Whereas people who are maybe a little bit more intelligent, who have

00:44:19.800 been in America for longer amounts of time, we're not going to just keep buying into the same slop.

00:44:25.200 You know, we require something that's a little bit fresher, a little bit more intelligent,

00:44:28.760 whereas other countries just simply are not exactly producing that type of person.

00:44:33.560 And in terms of the first part of the question, which was, I believe, about people buying into

00:44:38.540 the sort of like self-hatred indoctrination narratives, I think that's true. And a lot of

00:44:43.320 people who say that, you know, the country is being taught to hate itself, they are coming

00:44:47.600 out of an academic tradition, which is just a lot older than the one we have now. And so speaking

00:44:54.160 from my experience in high school and in the tour of service I did at college before dropping out,

00:44:59.840 I think it is true that the instinct to be self-hating is not something that's natural

00:45:04.540 to Americans. And so you can take a DEI class and you can learn about how everybody who ever did

00:45:10.860 anything great in America was actually evil. And we have to elevate the accomplishments of

00:45:15.280 everybody else who actually invented the whole world and it was only the evil white people who 0.91

00:45:19.160 found out about that and then took everything and then made it so it seemed like they invented it 0.82

00:45:22.940 you don't have people who are like ready to subscribe to that and the types of people who

00:45:27.560 are seem to already have something bad going on in their own lives which is why if you look at

00:45:32.740 the people who are the most militantly far left like the antifa mug shots they all sort of look

00:45:38.080 a certain way they seem to have something going on with them that exists independently from the

00:45:43.400 fact that they took a class and learned this information. Otherwise, you would see people who

00:45:47.800 didn't look like they were spiritually ill professing these same beliefs, which of course 0.99

00:45:51.600 you do. It does infect everybody to a certain extent. But the point that I was trying to make

00:45:55.940 in that video was basically that if you have people who are doing well spiritually, they're

00:46:01.280 not going to be ready to hop on the bandwagon for why they should hate themselves. I mean,

00:46:06.300 if they've done wrong, of course, they're going to want to make right by that. But it is a certain

00:46:10.920 type of person that we're creating in society, which is anxious and depressed and hollow.

00:46:16.240 And they are very willing to find a way to rationalize that through indoctrination,

00:46:21.280 which tells them that they can be saved by the grace of repenting for the sins of their

00:46:26.860 ancestors being defined as being really mean to Indians or really mean to Africans or what have

00:46:32.760 you. And the type of person who is not spiritually maladjusted, who goes in and they're clean cut,

00:46:39.160 good looking, relatively intelligent. They hear that and they laugh at it. And then it's their

00:46:43.380 choice if they want to go along with it and take the take the A in the class or push back, play

00:46:48.040 devil's advocate or what have you. But I don't think it's enough to diagnose the problem as

00:46:52.760 simply like the information is bad. Like, sure, the information is bad. It's dishonest. It should

00:46:56.660 be corrected. But really, I think why it's effective is downstream from a spiritual crisis

00:47:02.200 that the country has been experiencing, particularly within the younger generations.

00:47:06.840 I want to follow up with that, and then I'll pass it back over to the other two guys.

00:47:11.060 But as I was researching, I came across this really interesting quote.

00:47:14.960 Nate, this is quote one, if you can put it on the screen.

00:47:17.000 If not, I'll just read it.

00:47:18.500 And this is by Jason Jewell in an article called The Conservative Abandonment of Culture.

00:47:24.400 And he's talking about a turning point in the fork of the road of conservatism in U.S. politics.

00:47:33.180 And he says this.

00:47:33.880 He says, a powerful utilitarian bias in the conservative movement relegated these figures, which are the truly artistic figures, and others like them to the margins by the mid-1960s, in favor of a focus on economics, business, and practical politics.

00:47:49.020 This choice was a strategic error because electoral and policy victories could not check or reverse the eroding of America's moral and cultural foundations.

00:47:59.140 Conservatives today tend to have, quote, unmusical personalities and, quote, feel no deep existential need for poetry, novels, paintings, symphonies, films, and such, end quote.

00:48:10.840 By ceding to the left, literature, the arts, and culture more generally, the fields that shape society's moral vision, conservatives unwittingly open the door to woke capitalism and cancel culture.

00:48:23.300 So this is what you mentioned in your previous answer about high culture.

00:48:28.240 Is it endemic to the conservative movement or even MAGA, I'm curious, that we have abandoned

00:48:37.100 high culture?

00:48:37.940 And is that a problem?

00:48:39.000 Do we need to recover it?

00:48:41.400 Yeah, I think it was absolutely a strategic error, which is why a lot of times you will

00:48:46.600 see this crude attempt to mimic that by creating these very self-referential things.

00:48:52.160 They will say that an example of right-wing culture would be like if we had a painting

00:48:56.220 of Ronald Reagan riding a velociraptor shooting like a Mach 10 or something. And it's like,

00:49:02.680 that's not exactly, it's actually far closer to what you described earlier as simply like,

00:49:08.240 a father and his family. Most art throughout history is actually conservative or is actually

00:49:14.320 right wing and they'll ad hoc try to describe it as otherwise, but it is true. Really what defines

00:49:21.000 like left-wing art is going to be something that is in its nature revolutionary or disordered,

00:49:26.380 which tends to be something that actually purposefully tries to be ugly or bad simply

00:49:32.680 to call into question, well, what even is beauty? What even is art? If I make something ugly,

00:49:37.240 it's not that I'm not a talented artist. It's that I'm actually very profound because I'm

00:49:41.180 calling into question, what even is beauty? And it's like, this is so self-serving and foolish. 0.99

00:49:45.620 So a lot of the right-wing artists that we have today are very talented, 0.90

00:49:48.620 but they simply can't find work because the people who are in charge of funding these artists are

00:49:55.180 not funding right-wing artists and all of the artists that we have who are left-wing are people

00:50:00.120 who are very miserable and and spiritually ill and they feel their interest i'll put it this way

00:50:05.880 their interest in art is not so much uh what the classic interest in art was which was creating

00:50:12.020 something to pay respect to the divine who awarded you that talent but more so they are so

00:50:18.120 narcissistic, they are deluding themselves into thinking that they have something to express and

00:50:22.820 they have something to say. Therefore, we need some sort of communist, egalitarian, utopian

00:50:27.840 society where I can somehow subsist and live and do nothing all day but create art is what they

00:50:34.120 say. I need to be able to make art because I have so much to say and so much to express that I need

00:50:38.920 to be able to sit around all day and just make stuff. And it's like, that's not because you

00:50:43.240 actually have anything to say or anything to express. You're just so narcissistic that you 0.97

00:50:46.880 think that whatever your contribution to the world would be should be elevated to the level

00:50:51.260 of da Vinci or Beethoven or whomever.

00:50:54.700 So it's a completely different kind of psychology behind what drives the impulse to express

00:51:00.120 oneself in art.

00:51:02.080 The only difference is for the last 60 years, it has been the leftist impulse, which has

00:51:05.880 been rewarded, and the conservative impulse, which has been punished.

00:51:09.000 Yeah.

00:51:10.000 John, did you read the New Yorker article, The Cruel Kids Are Back in Town?

00:51:16.040 You know, I did.

00:51:16.880 him did okay it was really fascinating I think it was Aaron McIntyre who commented on it he said

00:51:22.360 the right wing aesthetic when it actually just does it organically so it's not trying to bring

00:51:26.740 in you know Reagan and the American flag and be really ham-fisted about it we actually like just

00:51:33.140 organically like coming up in this movement whatever's happening right now it seems at some

00:51:37.880 level we just instinctually like there's a really kind of classy vibrant I think that would definitely

00:51:43.600 be the term for what he's describing there from the parties the balls the elegance and of course

00:51:48.380 there's aspects where they're you know a little bit off the rails on one end or the other but

00:51:52.620 it's really interesting because uh they're they're setting aside that old kind of republican

00:51:57.400 that old guard utilitarian it's economics it's culture it's foreign policy and we're really able

00:52:03.320 actually it seems like what's happening is people just it's not even a formal movement there's not

00:52:08.280 academic work spurring it but they're like we're gonna we're gonna dress really well uh we're gonna

00:52:12.780 look great while doing it we're going to be healthy we're going to look good and i'm surprisingly i

00:52:17.260 i think people are just they're just doing it in a sense i don't know was that your sense that

00:52:21.660 cover photo obviously was super popular uh yeah just the edge and the image that it presented

00:52:32.140 so i think i cut out for a second i think that's just the nature of uh of mankind we we want to

00:52:37.420 root for you know the strong horse over the weak horse we like people who put effort into their

00:52:42.140 appearance, things you can't fake. I mean, obviously you can fake large aspects of your

00:52:46.500 appearance, but there's a difference between putting effort into how you look and what you

00:52:50.600 would see at any airport nowadays where people are just wearing sweatpants and they've got

00:52:54.600 portions of themselves spilling out over their clothing. It's just like disgusting and repulsive. 0.77

00:53:00.080 So yeah, I did. I saw that photo and I saw the coverage surrounding it. And I think that it's

00:53:04.220 true that anytime that left-wing aesthetics have clashed with right-wing aesthetics throughout

00:53:07.960 history, right wing aesthetics have always won because they're reflective of something real

00:53:12.140 and hierarchical and natural and left wing aesthetics pretty much define themselves in

00:53:16.360 opposition to all of those things. Like they seek to be disruptive and offensive, which when you're

00:53:21.300 a child, that's attractive to you because, you know, you want to be 12 on a skateboard and flip

00:53:25.660 people off and, you know, be rebellious. But once you get a little bit older and you start taking

00:53:29.540 things a little bit more seriously, you sort of fall into place and realize that that's all

00:53:32.780 immature and anybody who retains those attitudes past adolescents are as we mentioned with the

00:53:38.060 antifa mugshots always very disturbed dysfunctional people yeah michael i i'm just curious

00:53:46.500 when you say right-wing and left-wing art has conflicted do you have any offhand examples

00:53:53.040 that's that's a really interesting idea uh to me no not really uh i'm not an artist i really don't

00:54:00.100 have any interest in art or art history. But from what I browse on Twitter and from what I see people

00:54:04.580 who do understand these things talk about, that seems to be the popular sentiment. And I guess

00:54:08.820 if you can just sort of tap into the cultural zeitgeist, so to speak, and what you would regard

00:54:13.680 to be something that leftists think is like very profound, very high art, it does tend to be these

00:54:18.760 things that are like deconstructive and revolutionary. And they seek to, you know,

00:54:22.740 portray a caricature of like white American Christian society. And it is always vilified

00:54:27.460 And they always have to have it lose against something that is more enlightened, be that because of inferior cultures or science or what have you.

00:54:36.460 And the opposite would be the case for truly conservative or right wing art where it is glorifying and upholding these things which have shaped our culture as opposed to denigrating them or as opposed to the sort of like, you know, other fork where they will then try to try to create like a conservative art.

00:54:54.100 that's like a film about um fighting off a school shooter because self-defense but then the person

00:54:59.380 fighting off the school shooter is actually a girl because we still have this like retained spirit of

00:55:04.180 feminism i think daily wire did that film a few years ago so things like that where it wants to

00:55:09.140 be on the mark but they can't help themselves but always kind of miss it well said michael are there

00:55:18.260 there any more uh quotes that you wanted to share that we could kind of spark no i'll put i'll pull

00:55:23.100 some into our conclusion okay great less any other questions that you have um nothing that comes to

00:55:30.160 the top of my mind all right i would say too uh conservatives have been way too quick the past

00:55:35.420 couple years and john you talked about this in your video someone anyone it'll be john fetterman

00:55:40.160 it'll be nikki minaj they'll say something halfway just right wing or whatever and we're so so quick

00:55:46.260 to be like what nikki minaj turned down the vaccine uh based and we we were so desperate

00:55:53.060 for any semblance of i don't know if it's identity or or vision or something like that the second 0.57

00:55:58.820 someone i think of the young turk she's like oh i don't feel a little bit safe walking in my

00:56:02.820 neighborhood well so be so quick to latch on to that and to prop it up and be like see we're the 0.74

00:56:07.780 party that that is common sense and even these people are coming into it but if you have a good

00:56:12.580 thick culture it needs to be almost resistant to change people are going to be wanting to get in

00:56:17.700 to join it's like no actually the your views your thoughts your aesthetic the things you've said in

00:56:22.980 the past they don't fit in this is much more carefully managed and curated and for now at

00:56:27.860 least you don't belong yeah i think there's something uh john to be said for now this this

00:56:35.680 is not sustainable it's not viable long term but it's something that we can use uh to our advantage

00:56:40.980 temporarily to kind of as a springboard to launch into a solid conservative christian culture that

00:56:48.380 actually has merit and can stand the test of time but a training wheels if you will uh to to teach

00:56:54.640 us to give us some of the momentum to learn how to ride the bike again is just uh the inevitable

00:57:00.960 phenomenon of um that uh the cool kids so like back to what you were saying like that you know

00:57:07.380 the, the 12 year old on the skateboard, flipping off the neighbors as he's, you know, bombing the

00:57:11.860 hill, you know, whatever in, in the neighborhood. Um, well, you can, you can use that to your

00:57:17.420 advantage, like Facebook. I think Warren McIntyre said this, uh, use this analogy, but there was a

00:57:22.360 time when, um, your grandma couldn't have Facebook. And so it was cool. You know, there was a time

00:57:28.240 where you had to have, you know, the college, uh, email, you know, even to, to get a Facebook.

00:57:32.820 and um and then you know everybody has like at this point like for us um even with right response

00:57:39.360 um we just kind of gave up on facebook we did facebook for a while and and we just kind of

00:57:45.880 stopped um and same same with instagram i think instagram is different than facebook facebook is

00:57:51.280 kind of like uh for senior citizens but uh instagram uh has a younger crowd but it's

00:57:56.640 predominantly women and you know like on our youtube channel i think it's like 80 87 of our

00:58:02.180 audience is male um women uh don't really like me very much so instagram's not really a great

00:58:08.600 platform for me to be on um because it's just stepping into uh a lion's den um and not really

00:58:15.260 lions it more of like a cat fight um a house cat den but um anyways all that being said i think

00:58:21.100 we've hit the point now where um being being a leftist isn't cool like it you know like so like

00:58:28.380 when your grandma gets to facebook once once it's gone everywhere like it's the same with crypto you

00:58:32.680 know like um when your grandma asks you how she can buy bitcoin you know like maybe maybe uh maybe

00:58:38.340 you sell you know at least for a while and um and and i think like at this point um everybody

00:58:45.200 is uh you know everybody's like uh thinks you know like uh white people are racist and the world is

00:58:53.660 chauvinistic and misogynist and blah blah like and there's a certain point where i i feel like 0.91

00:58:59.300 gen z like 40 of them are going to be you know like gay furries um but the other 60 are like 0.87

00:59:08.280 shockingly conservative like alarmingly conservative like all the time like me and 0.76

00:59:13.900 some of my friends with like new christian press and other guys like people hate us you know on

00:59:19.160 and we're like wait till you meet our kids like you think like you will beg for us to return and

00:59:24.660 and try to you know get our kids under control like please like um our our kids think that we're

00:59:30.940 normies our kids are like so anyway so i think like the tide is turning there's a there's a point

00:59:37.320 where something gains so much critical mass that it's no longer cool um to just toe the bottom line

00:59:45.820 and to you know to keep in step and so i think like we're kind of hitting a point now where

00:59:51.380 wokeness whatever you want to call it the the liberal order um has one it's been been just the

00:59:57.560 the veil has been lifted it's been proven to be such a farce but also it's not just that it's

01:00:02.420 being revealed for being ugly and terrible and monstrous and all those things which are true

01:00:07.000 but also it's just uh it's predominant it's it's predominant and anybody who just uh goes with the

01:00:14.260 flow that's that's what you're doing you're just going with the flow there's nothing unique there's

01:00:17.580 nothing original there's nothing novel there's nothing that would stand out there's it doesn't

01:00:21.300 require any courage it doesn't um and and so there's little reward whereas right now on the

01:00:27.240 right like yeah cancel culture you know that but cancel culture is fading and now it's kind of like

01:00:31.820 a reward culture right so like you don't get canceled on the left um but i think we're hitting

01:00:36.760 hitting a a point in the like the third act in the musical where um on the left like there's still

01:00:43.520 safety, but there's also, there's, you don't, you don't have any risk, but you also have zero

01:00:48.900 reward, zero reward. Whereas on the right, it was all risk, you know, and, you know, and zero safety

01:00:56.140 and zero reward. Well, now the right is still less safe, but the risk is actually lessening.

01:01:02.920 And, and now there's just, I feel like every week there's, there's an example or a case study or a

01:01:08.820 story that drops where some some guy on the right who took a risk who did the right thing is being

01:01:14.940 publicly internationally um accredited with fame and and reward whether it's daniel penny or you

01:01:21.480 know and um and i think as that starts to happen and it's still the minority opinion um the younger

01:01:28.280 generation is is going to want to be on that team they're not going to want to be on their grandma's

01:01:34.300 team you know like they're gonna want to like praise god the boomers are probably not the best 0.95

01:01:40.060 horse to bet on you know but i think like i'm super hopeful when it comes to gen z i think 0.81

01:01:44.500 40 of them like i said are gay furries and you can read the statistics for that though you know 0.81

01:01:49.360 like they'll be dead by 35 and uh and the other 60 are super based and um and are taking risk 0.99

01:01:56.540 what do you think yeah you're absolutely right about that we even saw a very promising example 0.98

01:02:01.820 of what you're describing today when you had a Gen Z, a Zoomer young man who was fired by Doge,

01:02:10.000 by the Department of Government Efficiency, because he had posted some tweets where he was,

01:02:14.180 making jokes that were racist or something. And popular sentiment online essentially called for

01:02:20.960 him to be rehired. And then Elon Musk pulled it. J.D. Vance, our vice president, said that he

01:02:27.060 agrees with the sentiment expressed online that he shouldn't be fired and have his life ruined 0.97

01:02:31.260 because he was doxed by some, you know, libtard journalist. And then eventually today Trump was 0.89

01:02:36.680 asked what he thought. And he said, I agree with the vice president. So the mechanisms to cancel

01:02:41.180 people, which has always been something that the left has used, always called for by the left,

01:02:45.900 enforced by the left, and the right has always cowered to it. That now is not really a card that

01:02:50.760 works because the vice president and the president are saying, we don't believe in this. So if you're

01:02:55.700 on the right and somebody says something that would offend leftist sensibilities at your

01:03:01.400 organization, what are you going to do? You're going to break from the vice president and the

01:03:05.160 president. They just gave you a license to kill. They say, you don't have to do this anymore. We 0.98

01:03:08.540 don't have to be afraid of the left because they don't have power. They're not cool. And the only

01:03:13.360 time they've ever been able to impose themselves are when they have that artificial sort of nanny

01:03:18.320 state, tentacles are everywhere, to where people are afraid and they just simply go along with it. 0.71

01:03:22.580 They post the black square.

01:03:23.900 They wear the mask.

01:03:24.700 But now if like they don't have that power, yeah, you can defend yourself on the subway.

01:03:29.200 Yeah, you can speak your mind.

01:03:30.440 You can do whatever.

01:03:31.180 You can be normal.

01:03:31.920 You don't have to apologize for your ancestors.

01:03:34.160 And there's nothing cool about that.

01:03:36.000 Even women who are radically left wing will date guys like me and they can't help but

01:03:41.920 be sort of attracted to how radical our politics are. 0.89

01:03:45.480 Because I mean, if men can lie about our nature, I mean, women are really bad at that, especially

01:03:49.680 because maybe there's some dissonance there between what they say and how they actually 0.53

01:03:53.120 behave more so with uh than with men but there's nothing attractive to anybody especially women

01:03:58.020 about thinking that everybody should just be equal and get along and that would just be so nice and

01:04:03.320 the only thing that's bad is when people are mean and when they're saying that equality is bad

01:04:07.760 like there's nothing more unattractive to people than that and that is the governing orthodoxy of

01:04:15.120 the country or at least it was before uh trump was sworn in and i think it's going away and it's

01:04:19.520 going away very quickly and we're all going to be much better off for it that's just profound like

01:04:25.120 in the last 24 hours president the vice president richest man in the world said yeah you can say

01:04:30.740 things might not agree with them you shouldn't lose your job over it it's done and vance even

01:04:34.880 was like hey uh i don't ever want to see like one of our guys essentially fired because a leftist

01:04:40.640 news reporter dug something up like think about that profound vibe shift three weeks into the

01:04:46.800 administration we're done with that we're not canceling people for old tweets anymore

01:04:50.440 yeah yeah okay i have a question um one more question and then we'll go to our next commercial

01:04:56.680 break but um so what do you think what should conservatives be focusing on now like you know

01:05:04.140 you our first segment um at the beginning of the show before you hopped on i was saying you know

01:05:09.740 I was talking about Andrew Torba a little bit, who's a friend.

01:05:12.460 And I was just saying that one of the things I like about him is one,

01:05:17.420 he's a Christian brother in Christ. But two, he's, he's like, well, you know,

01:05:23.840 I'll just, I'll just say it. I don't know your position on this and you don't

01:05:26.720 have to, you just be you. You don't have to abide by, you know, our flavor,

01:05:31.040 but he's what the kids would call Jay Pilt. And, and there's, you know,

01:05:36.140 there's no secret to that andrew torba has been posting you know about about the jews for

01:05:42.780 i don't know 10 years you know i mean i wasn't even on the internet yet yeah yeah exactly yeah

01:05:48.880 yeah exactly i was still figuring out email you know and torba's over here you know saying it's

01:05:54.660 the jews you know and um but but here's the thing this is what i love about torba um trump runs

01:06:00.540 and you know every like what i always tell people you know i'm a christian pastor 0.97

01:06:05.220 i think judaism is satanic um i i hate it it's a false religion and uh blasphemous christ and so 0.92

01:06:12.000 i make no apology for that but what i had to tell my church and guys you know guys are like well but 0.99

01:06:16.880 trump is a zionist he wears the tiny hat he's at the wall and i'm like guys it's the year of our

01:06:21.160 lord 2025 um you don't you don't get a president in these united states who's not a zionist so you

01:06:27.980 pick the best zionist you have that's that's just where we are now all that being said here's my

01:06:32.400 point torba like got a lot of backlash from his own fan base whatever you want to call it his

01:06:40.420 his primary you know followers um because when trump started campaigning uh torba knows all

01:06:48.100 that he's not stupid he knows that you know he knows trump's position on israel and this that

01:06:53.980 and the other and all these things and he just didn't care he's like he again like again and 0.98

01:06:58.720 again and again every day was like no black pillion allowed i'll block you vote for trump 0.59

01:07:04.220 he's great i don't agree with everything we've got to um you play you play the hand that you've

01:07:10.340 been dealt i'm grateful for trump um he has my vote and then not only that right that's one

01:07:15.640 thing politically but then elon if you're if you're the ceo of gab your whole business model

01:07:22.660 is parallel conservative free speech right that's your whole thing your whole thing is

01:07:28.860 you know mainstream is bad and and uh don't you know don't use the platform from the people who

01:07:34.880 hate you and blah blah um he would have every incentive to say elon musk is a um it's a psyop

01:07:42.020 um he's he's uh controlled opposition you know he's pulling the wool over your head

01:07:47.820 um this it's not really free speech um like he'd have every single financial at the level of his

01:07:55.040 wallet providing for his family every incentive to counter trump and certainly to counter elon

01:08:01.280 and then you know what torba did instead he's like yeah this is great x is getting better there's

01:08:06.340 still problems but it's getting better by the day i like elon i'm grateful for him like probably not

01:08:11.740 a fan of you know putting neurochips in people's brains you know like like obviously we you know

01:08:16.180 we have some differences in our worldview, but grateful for him. This is awesome. And he just

01:08:21.020 supported it. He just supported it. And so my point, to put it to you to a question,

01:08:27.360 I think that in the year of our Lord, 2025, if conservatives are thinking, all right, here's the

01:08:32.460 plan. Homesteading. Here's the plan. Parallel free speech economy. Rumble. Gap. I'm like,

01:08:42.560 what world are you living like what that's you are the grandma asking at at the top of at the

01:08:50.040 top of the cycle how to how to get a wallet so you can buy some uh some bit bit quarters you know

01:08:56.000 like um if you're thinking about starting you know a gab account and and you're thinking about you

01:09:02.360 know buying buying chickens and i and i i gave all my disclaimers earlier like you got kids you

01:09:07.660 want to teach them to touch grass there's good virtue and habit building there's plenty of

01:09:10.980 reason to do that. But we've been in survival mode. So everything's been small, remnant,

01:09:16.820 survive, self-sufficiency, because you can't trust anybody and the government's going to kill you.

01:09:23.100 And so grow your own garden, get your own social media, get your own business, all these kinds of

01:09:30.200 things. I don't think that's where we are anymore. So like the sons of Issachar in the Bible,

01:09:34.020 they were honored for knowing the times. And I think for the first time, we have

01:09:40.660 not just lessened headwinds but but conservatives have tailwinds and so i'm thinking right now i'm

01:09:47.280 thinking yeah like i still have principles and virtues i'm a christian so there's some things

01:09:52.100 that i can't take advantage of because i think they're fundamentally inherently ethic ethically

01:09:57.160 wrong but anything that doesn't fall into that category um i'm i'm gonna i'm gonna use everything

01:10:02.900 i got i'm gonna use whatever pieces of ai i can and and do it better than everybody else and be

01:10:09.420 an early adopter i'm going to like i i didn't like twitter i didn't even start a twitter account

01:10:15.500 until elon bought it but as soon as that happened i was like yeah that like i wouldn't make elon a

01:10:19.920 pastor in my church but but um but him owning this platform means there's going to be an opportunity

01:10:25.780 here and i could see the writing on the wall and so i said i'm going to start building this out and

01:10:29.120 i'm going to say um so all that being said i i don't think i don't think homesteading

01:10:35.400 and gab accounts is probably like the premier focus for the next four years but i totally

01:10:41.320 understand why it was and i don't disparage anybody who did it for the last 10 years

01:10:44.880 andrew torba gave people like me a place to converse when when when free speech was

01:10:52.580 completely suppressed and so i like thank you sir so i'm not disparaging at all i'm just saying the

01:10:58.140 times are changing and i think torba is a great example of providing in survival time and also

01:11:03.880 pivoting in thriving time. I think he's done both phenomenally. And I want to see, do you agree

01:11:10.340 with that sentiment? And if so, practically for these next four years, what should Christians

01:11:16.460 and conservatives, where should we put down our plow and start to work?

01:11:22.160 I would say, yeah, I definitely agree with being a pragmatist, with having an insurance policy.

01:11:27.900 You never want to put all your eggs in one basket, especially when you have other people who are

01:11:31.280 depending on you for their livelihoods. I would say that we have a rare opportunity right now to

01:11:36.600 actually dismantle the ability of these people. Like you said, we have tailwind, we have the

01:11:41.280 ability to dismantle the ability of these people to like destroy our country. Whereas in previous

01:11:47.140 Republican administrations, it was about maybe slowing at 5% by having four years where our

01:11:52.800 taxes were a little bit more advantageous for us or something like that. But now we are actually

01:11:58.280 dismantling the mechanisms by which these people acquire and consolidate and accumulate further

01:12:03.080 power, particularly with things like elections or immigration policy. I mean, if we can achieve,

01:12:09.060 because there's going to be a counterattack. It's not as though the left is going to just

01:12:12.300 sit on their hands for four years and be like, drat, they really got us, didn't they? And then

01:12:15.800 it's over. I mean, as we're seeing from these corruption leaks that are coming out, this was

01:12:19.440 a multi, multi-billion dollar system, which was making a lot of money for so many people.

01:12:23.700 it's not simply going to go away but if we can do enough damage to not only stop the bleeding

01:12:29.060 but on our end but prevent the counter-attack four years later we build up four years of momentum i

01:12:35.560 mean maybe two years later with the midterm elections but we build up enough momentum to

01:12:38.960 where say someone like jd vance is the obvious successor the country's happy with its trajectory

01:12:43.740 we don't have you know rampant voter fraud in other states we have more poll watchers we have

01:12:48.620 the RNC totally under Trump's family or the control of Trump's family. I mean, you create

01:12:53.100 a scenario where now you can continue doing that damage, you know, four years later down the line

01:12:59.180 into where if the left gets back into power, I mean, they don't have the option to say amnesty

01:13:04.680 10 million illegal aliens and consolidate permanent electoral control. They don't have the option to

01:13:09.940 keep incentivizing and rewarding the mass distribution of evil throughout the country

01:13:14.300 to demoralize good people and aggrandize bad people, it's just going to be a totally different

01:13:19.080 playing field. So I would say if there were ever a time to go like, I hate to use this, but like

01:13:23.980 full on blitzkrieg against these people, it would be now. And then if it doesn't work out, then we

01:13:29.400 can think about what to do later on. I mean, we're not stupid. We can figure things out pretty

01:13:33.580 quickly and put things together when we need to. But I would say right now, if you're a young

01:13:37.060 patriot, go get a law degree, go into debt if you have to. We'll pay it off later. We'll have some

01:13:41.700 sort of debt forgiveness program for young patriots who save their country. I would say

01:13:46.380 do something like that. Get involved in government, become as individually powerful as possible

01:13:50.320 and use that for good. Great. All right. We're going to go to our last commercial break for the

01:13:57.200 day. But John, I just wanted to say thank you for coming on the show. We'll let you go

01:14:00.340 and do what you do. If you guys aren't familiar with John's program, he puts out, you correct me

01:14:06.600 if i'm out of line here but he puts out uh one video per year he records it a million times and

01:14:13.500 until he uh his autistic mind feels content with the product and then he puts it out and it's

01:14:18.840 amazing but you am i is that fair i mean it's more than one a year but like i feel like i man

01:14:24.580 i wish you were producing more content i know you hear that all the time you're probably annoyed by

01:14:28.440 it but tell it tell us let us into your mind for a moment why do you why why do you not produce

01:14:33.860 more content. I'm sure you have a great reason. Tell us. It's a great compliment, actually. It's

01:14:39.380 the biggest problem people have is I don't make enough content. Well, to be honest with you,

01:14:43.740 I don't have an impulse to self-promote, really, which I know is ironic because what I literally

01:14:48.600 do for a living is promote myself. But I don't like social media. You go to my Instagram,

01:14:53.660 I post maybe once a year. And so if we're in a time where Donald Trump is not in office and I

01:14:58.840 don't really see opportunity to change the course of the country. I sort of just kind of like I'll

01:15:04.880 make, you know, content because I enjoy it. I enjoy giving my opinion on things, but I don't

01:15:09.680 really hit the ground running the way that I would if Trump were in office. So now that Trump

01:15:13.500 is in office, I have been posting more and I will continue to do that. It's just a different ball

01:15:17.740 game. But yeah, that your description was closer to the truth than the opposite. And so I'll let

01:15:24.060 you have that one. All right. Tell the listener one more time where they can follow your work.

01:15:30.320 Yeah. YouTube.com slash John Doyle, or you can find me on Twitter at Comrade Doyle.

01:15:35.840 And maybe once a year, I'll brighten your season or something.

01:15:40.600 All right. Cool. Thanks, John, for coming on. Appreciate it.

01:15:43.900 Yeah. Thanks for having me.

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01:18:02.840 All right, welcome back. So we're going to kind of wrap up our discussion here,

01:18:07.060 and conclude some thoughts that we had

01:18:10.780 and then some comments on what John Doyle said.

01:18:13.820 One of the things that I was particularly interested in

01:18:16.600 with that discussion was this idea

01:18:19.200 that America has an established culture.

01:18:24.720 And Joel, you mentioned it in the opening bit.

01:18:26.880 John Doyle mentioned it here in his interview.

01:18:30.520 And the idea that there is a way of being,

01:18:33.520 a way of life of the American people

01:18:35.480 that has been around for a long time.

01:18:38.840 And one of the things,

01:18:40.800 and Nate, I don't think I sent you this quote,

01:18:42.280 so I'm just gonna kind of reference it here,

01:18:43.700 but that same guy who wrote the article

01:18:44.940 that I mentioned earlier,

01:18:46.120 he talked about how there's a competing vision

01:18:49.760 of what the American founding fathers did

01:18:53.440 in establishing in America.

01:18:54.960 And a newer idea is that

01:18:57.420 they completely broke away from England.

01:19:00.740 They established something brand new.

01:19:02.520 it was the revolutionary war right the same way we had the french revolution um the revolutionary

01:19:08.700 war and it was creating something entirely new our own thing and part of this is our individualistic

01:19:14.300 impulse as americans right we want to be new we want to be ourselves but uh jason jewell who wrote

01:19:19.900 that article that i mentioned earlier he argues that actually the war though it was a war between

01:19:26.180 england and um you know the colonies the united states uh he he argues that the the american

01:19:33.240 founding fathers were actually um not making a fundamental break with the old uh but they carried

01:19:39.540 forward the values and the assumptions and in a lot of ways the culture um parts of the culture

01:19:45.980 that they brought from england and from europe and what they actually were establishing was a new way

01:19:49.460 of governing themselves but we one of the things that's missing is we talk about conservative

01:19:54.560 culture. And this goes back to the whole question of what is it to be a heritage American? What is

01:19:58.920 the heritage of America? The culture of America, even though America has only been around 250 years

01:20:04.320 coming up, the culture of America and the beauty and like, there's a reason why when I went to

01:20:10.360 England, I loved to see the castles. And I, you know, we read Shakespeare still in our, in our

01:20:16.940 schools still to this day, we haven't, we haven't been able to weed him out as though as though we

01:20:23.040 needed to. But we actually are standing in a European and an English cultural perspective

01:20:31.340 that I think sometimes we forget. And one of the things in Arne McIntyre and the conference last

01:20:39.060 year, Stephen Wolf at New Christendom have been mentioning, this is not a new idea to me, but just

01:20:44.640 if we're going to get serious about creating culture, I think we need to be careful that we

01:20:50.060 don't assume that the culture that we create in this window, Lord willing, it's a long window

01:20:56.420 that we have in not just four years. We need to be careful that we don't fall into this idea that

01:21:00.740 everything that we're going to be producing now is this new culture. We actually need to be pulling

01:21:05.140 and building on the good culture that the last 60, 80, 100, whatever years has been trying to erase.

01:21:12.960 And we need to pull that culture back into our consciousness and into what it means to be a

01:21:18.900 people. It's going to be a new ways, right? Movies certainly didn't even exist that long ago. So if

01:21:25.320 we're going to make movies, obviously that's a new medium, but the messages, the values, what we

01:21:30.020 consider and find beautiful and interesting, really we have a project of pulling that across

01:21:36.520 a 60 or 80 year gap. Whereas in ideal times, that would be developing over time, kind of organically

01:21:44.300 as one generation passes to the next generation,

01:21:47.280 passes to the next generation,

01:21:49.040 we have quite a task, actually,

01:21:51.180 of trying to pull some of the previous cultural assumptions,

01:21:54.580 values, and art across a six-year, eight-year gap.

01:21:58.240 And it has to skip over,

01:21:59.620 but we have to plant ourselves in that

01:22:01.640 if we're gonna be serious about reestablishing

01:22:04.600 what it means to be Americans

01:22:06.460 and to have Christian culture.

01:22:09.740 Practically, literally like, well, what does that mean?

01:22:11.760 What does that look like on the ground?

01:22:13.360 I remember growing up, my dad read to me,

01:22:14.800 we read King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table.

01:22:17.120 I mean, this is a story from like eight,

01:22:19.040 maybe even longer, 900 years ago.

01:22:21.460 And it's in old English and all of that.

01:22:23.220 And he sent me an extra copy he had

01:22:24.600 for me to read with my son.

01:22:26.280 Now I could read to my son just modern stories

01:22:28.440 or look for authors that are currently living.

01:22:30.940 But if you're gonna establish that connection

01:22:32.440 to the past and to tradition,

01:22:34.360 that means you're reading, you're references,

01:22:36.700 you're framing, all of those things,

01:22:39.120 you're pulling them back in.

01:22:40.620 So it's consciously deciding,

01:22:41.840 i'm going to read king arthur i'm going to read shakespeare i'm going to read aristotle i'm going

01:22:46.020 to quote i'm going to cite i'm going to use their thinking like literally practically on the ground

01:22:49.940 what does that mean it means you're reading your children older books yep yep i i still remember

01:22:55.420 my uh my youngest son right now is reading treasure island and uh he's like dad did you

01:23:00.860 read this book growing up i'm like yeah i read that book you know i totally inspired and so we

01:23:04.200 looked into the the the biography of um uh the writer that is spacing my mind right now um but

01:23:12.120 he was very feeble as a child and his father was a lighthouse designer and so i told my youngest son

01:23:17.820 about um the fact that the writer of treasure island grew up around ships but he was kind of

01:23:23.080 weak so then the next day my son comes up to me he goes dad do you think the fact that he was so

01:23:28.900 weak but he could see the ships coming in and out do you think he imagined himself as jim

01:23:34.060 Hawkins on the ship. And I could tell, like, my 12-year-old son is imagining himself as Jim

01:23:39.740 Hawkins on this ship. And the fact that this English writer from the 1800s had written this

01:23:44.800 story that was just bedazzling and inspiring my son, like, he had a connection all the way back

01:23:51.500 to Robert Louis Stevenson. That's the guy's name. And I just thought, like, this is actually the

01:23:56.260 value and the power of culture. Like, he's enthralled not just in a meaningless story,

01:24:00.760 but a timeless story from not exactly,

01:24:04.520 but kind of our father, our grandfather culture.

01:24:07.500 And I loved watching that happen

01:24:09.560 over a period of a couple of days

01:24:11.000 when he started the book, we did a little research

01:24:13.140 and then he came back to me with his own ideas.

01:24:15.060 I mean, it was such a beautiful, beautiful thing.

01:24:17.760 But to your point, Wes, you're right.

01:24:19.180 It comes down to the choices that we make.

01:24:21.340 There's a reason we still read Pilgrim's Progress.

01:24:23.720 It's not just because it's got

01:24:25.120 some good biblical stories in it. 0.96

01:24:26.740 It is Anglo-Protestant culture.

01:24:30.760 yeah yeah do you have thoughts i was gonna say there's got to be a place in conservatism

01:24:38.120 which i don't even like the term christian nationalist is better but we do have to have

01:24:41.500 a place for creatives like it's true it's kind of right to call them gay and the nerds and

01:24:45.480 everything like that because a lot of effeminate men graduate gravitate towards the arts they look

01:24:51.660 to music and they look to art and they look to expression and they gravitate towards those

01:24:55.400 things so we kind of pick on them it's like well what do you just do like he makes this you know

01:24:59.140 indie music and makes thirty thousand dollars a year can barely support his family so we pick

01:25:03.860 on that and there's a good aspect like i said of kind of saying like well come on like what are you

01:25:08.020 really producing but once you have cultural power and people can be funded or just make a living

01:25:13.940 doing it there really has to be a place to say like no he doesn't fit into the way you would

01:25:18.520 traditionally we're going to talk about masculinity lord willing next week he doesn't fit into

01:25:22.720 traditionally how we would think of masculine men he doesn't necessarily work out now he takes care

01:25:28.780 of himself he's able if he needed to was called upon to to protect his wife and to protect his

01:25:34.060 children but uh yeah he makes music for a living or he like works in software that's not really art

01:25:40.480 so much but like they have these different occupations and we're not taking this just

01:25:44.260 bucket of male and female and applying it and saying across the board we gotta have all our

01:25:49.580 men being pastors for example or podcasters or social media wars there are men and they're good

01:25:54.680 men and they don't need to get on social media at all because it's just they're too easily they

01:25:59.180 maybe have a pastoral heart a certain kindness they don't need to worry about it we need to

01:26:03.420 have a variety of guys doing different things and then the ones that are genuinely making

01:26:08.460 decoration and art and music and all of those things again it can't be effeminate it can't be

01:26:13.600 gay they themselves can't be but to say no that's actually a really great thing you're doing and 0.96

01:26:18.060 praise god we have great music that people are listening to and you can devote yourself to it 0.94

01:26:22.780 and we're not going to pick on you or make fun of

01:26:25.100 kind of the look that you bring along with it.

01:26:27.440 We have a place for that.

01:26:30.200 I want to, my last plug that I really wanted to mention here

01:26:34.480 is in a world, and guys, go listen to the video by Doyle

01:26:41.060 because one of the sections he said was so good.

01:26:43.100 He said, people don't naturally,

01:26:44.980 like in our fallen nature, of course, we're sinful,

01:26:48.640 but we don't naturally love perversion.

01:26:52.780 And he said the perversion of art and culture and society

01:26:57.700 has been forced down our throats.

01:27:00.160 And one of the things that we have to do

01:27:03.420 to reestablish Christian culture

01:27:05.180 is we have to not only love the beautiful,

01:27:08.340 but we have to know what the beautiful is.

01:27:10.580 And I've just been thinking about recently,

01:27:13.360 why do people love classical music?

01:27:17.760 Classical music actually is something of an acquired taste.

01:27:21.140 it's kind of like people who don't really like coffee and so you start with the frappuccino

01:27:25.660 and then you move down to the hazelnut latte and then you're just in the latte and then you get to

01:27:30.460 the point where all you drink is you know fair trade organic you know americanos yes exactly

01:27:36.580 yeah um that sort of thing um recognizing good art beautiful what what is true beauty

01:27:44.780 sometimes is an acquired taste and in a world of filth in art I would bet that a lot of us

01:27:54.040 our perspective is just off on what is beautiful and so when you listen to really great

01:27:58.980 compositions or symphony or something like that like initially it's it's hard to know why do

01:28:04.640 people like this it just sounds like a bunch of instruments and then you start realizing these

01:28:08.540 are all someone took the time to arrange all the parts and they're all playing together and they're

01:28:13.980 playing different volumes and in different times and that the conductor is uh leading and directing

01:28:20.340 them and not only that but then the music itself it goes through movements and it tells stories and

01:28:24.980 and but to appreciate all of those things you actually have to learn a little bit about it

01:28:31.160 right um and and so i i guess one of my challenges is christians let us again love the things that

01:28:39.240 are beautiful that have endured the test of time and nate i'm gonna i'm gonna at least close my

01:28:42.980 comments with the quotes two, no, quotes three and four. So that's coming up here, quotes three and

01:28:49.400 four. And T.S. Eliot, this is quote three, he said, the dominant force in creating a common

01:28:57.180 culture between peoples, each of which has its distinct culture, is religion. It is Christianity

01:29:02.720 that our arts have developed. It is Christianity that the laws of Europe have until recently

01:29:08.680 been rooted in and then quote four this is roger scrutin who is a british conservative

01:29:13.880 and he said this he said design with beauty in mind and what you create will endure forever

01:29:20.180 and we we have to recapture what is beautiful right when you look at modern art and you say

01:29:27.380 that's just dumb but i'm probably missing something reject that right like love what's

01:29:33.380 beautiful love what's true love what's good and learn about why it's good and true and beautiful 0.97

01:29:38.600 and start promoting that.

01:29:40.640 And then maybe we have a generation where,

01:29:44.580 like with the Tradwives we talked about earlier in the year, 0.96

01:29:47.280 they're kind of having to fake it 0.70

01:29:48.580 because they didn't learn it from being a young girl.

01:29:51.760 So they're trying to bake and they're trying to do these things,

01:29:54.520 but their daughters won't have to fake it. 0.92

01:29:57.120 It won't be new to their daughters. 0.78

01:29:59.340 They will know how to do that almost instinctively.

01:30:02.840 And we, by God's grace, before too long,

01:30:07.000 will have, again, bred into ourselves and our society

01:30:10.880 a love of beauty.

01:30:12.600 And that starts with what you read your kids,

01:30:14.640 what you have your kids listen to,

01:30:15.900 what you do with your free time as a family,

01:30:17.880 just really practical things

01:30:18.980 that I wanted at least personally to end with.

01:30:21.380 Well said.

01:30:22.120 Yeah, I get so sick of the incessant trope 0.96

01:30:25.640 of you're faking or hypocrisy or LARPing.

01:30:32.760 I preached a whole sermon one time

01:30:34.460 where like the primary point was you got a LARP before you can fly.

01:30:40.520 And what I'm saying is, I think it was Chesterton who said that hypocrisy is the tribute

01:30:50.140 that vice pays to virtue.

01:30:53.140 And I've said this on the podcast a few times, but I think it's profound.

01:30:57.180 And it really helped for something to click in my mind to understand.

01:31:01.440 i'll say it again hypocrisy is the tribute that vice pays to virtue it's hypocrisy is vice tipping

01:31:09.420 the hat as it were to virtue we think hypocrisy is the worst thing it's not what's worse is that

01:31:16.600 a society in a culture where there's no need for hypocrisy because there's actually a true absence

01:31:22.980 of any and all virtue um hypocrisy what that necessitates is that there's at least some

01:31:31.740 remnant of virtue that still remains within a society to where vice at least has to pretend

01:31:37.320 at least the vice is is putting on the pomp and circumstance at least the vice is pretending

01:31:43.180 you a great example of this is you know again baptist my god my god um being a baptist feels

01:31:52.560 like did you ever read um i think it's the dawn treader the hufflepuffs and the professor who's

01:32:00.260 left on the island that's what it feels like being a baptist it's like uh not hufflepuffs

01:32:07.040 that's that's harry potter duffel pods yeah duffel pods there you go i was confusing my 0.96

01:32:18.760 fiction there the problem though of course is that one of those is super gay and the other one

01:32:24.060 is timeless uh namely c.s lewis the timeless one so duffel pods there we go get it right 0.97

01:32:29.780 um you know but basically he's like yeah they're they're ridiculous but they're mine

01:32:34.860 they're my duffel pods um this is what happened it was the coronation of king charles and the

01:32:42.880 baptist right on time you know uh came out talking about how atrocious and terrible it was and it's

01:32:50.720 the worst thing ever that you know this blasphemy of of christ and and and i'm sitting there i'm

01:32:57.060 like yeah do i think that king charles if i like if i had to bet on it would i bet that he is

01:33:03.640 genuinely born again regenerate heart that he loves the triune god and he's really going to

01:33:10.360 be a defender of the faith um no but but what it would like obviously the ideal is that you would

01:33:19.580 have the shell and it also would be filled right that's the ideal but i'll tell you what's not the

01:33:26.440 ideal it's it's not the ideal to have nothing better to have the empty shell than to than to

01:33:34.300 have uh no true center of christianity and virtue and no thin veneer or external remnants of

01:33:44.000 christianity it's better to have the the mere shell of of a of a chrysidom long past than to

01:33:51.780 have no shell at all and so all that being said my point is that um yeah hypocrisy is the tribute

01:33:58.600 that vice pays to virtue uh larping just i was piggybacking off of what you were saying about

01:34:04.760 the trad wife thing that's the same thing so like the same guys who came out about king charles and

01:34:09.160 this coronation is terrible we shouldn't do it this is christian nationalism and and it's and

01:34:13.720 it's it's the perfect example what christian nationalism uh always has been and always will

01:34:18.720 be a facade hypocrisy a show it's fake um you see it in england and that's really what it is in

01:34:26.480 america and that's also what the whole resurgence of you know the trad wife thing is and wearing

01:34:32.340 sundresses and baking sourdough bread um that's you know like you're you're larping that's not 1.00

01:34:38.680 who you are it's 2025 you know quit quit pretending quit faking quit larping quit being 0.97

01:34:45.420 hypocritical that's what they're getting at and the reality is this anything in any society

01:34:52.640 that's deemed as virtuous and valuable will always have, it will always, like a magnet,

01:35:00.900 be pulling in and attracting pretense. That's what value does. That's what virtue does.

01:35:08.340 Anything esteemed by any culture, any society, any subgroup of society, any isolated community,

01:35:17.180 whatever is valuable within a community whatever is deemed as being virtuous it won't just attract

01:35:23.780 people who are good at it it attracts everyone what happens when skateboarding you know in the

01:35:28.840 90s and you know tony hawk does the first 900 i remember watching it on the x games you know like

01:35:33.460 or whatever it was i remember i was watching it with nathan he's my cousin and i remember seeing

01:35:38.700 it at his house and we're like whoa and then what do you immediately do afterwards you turn off the

01:35:42.820 tv and me and my kid cousin um we then go and larp uh with skateboarding right we we grab our

01:35:52.220 skateboards are either of us good no you know but but but tony hawks just did a 900 my goodness

01:35:59.400 we're going out in the in the in the street we're building our little rink-a-dink ramp you know out

01:36:06.100 of two by fours and a cinder block or whatever and by golly um we're gonna skateboard because

01:36:12.740 anything worth doing is worth doing poorly right i mean that's it's true anything worth doing is

01:36:19.640 is worth doing well as the ideal that's what you work up to that's where you want to get

01:36:23.780 but really anything worth doing not only is it worth doing well but it's worth doing poorly

01:36:28.900 meaning it's it's so worthwhile it's worth doing even if you're not good at it it's worth doing

01:36:35.920 for a season while you're particularly poor at it until you get good at it what i mean think about

01:36:42.340 that like larping um what what is larping other than um because here's the thing it'd be one thing

01:36:48.980 if if everybody was lying that's different lying is different than larping so if everybody was

01:36:54.100 saying i am i am an 11th century crusader i am i am king arthur i am sir lance a lot i am duke

01:37:05.200 god for it right i i am vlad the impaler that's that's literally who i am and i have impaled this

01:37:11.760 many muslims for the lord jesus christ like if yeah like find that guy for me right because i'm

01:37:16.840 under the impression that that guy doesn't exist right you want to talk about larping the anti

01:37:21.320 crusaders are the ones that are larping um like if there's a guy who really is claiming to be king

01:37:29.240 arthur and really is claiming to have killed you know this many whatever turks or danes you know 0.99

01:37:35.740 in the case of king arthur um then sure that guy's an idiot um but what i've witnessed is not guys 0.99

01:37:43.520 who are lying but guys who are trying not lying but trying and why why why is it trying instead 0.99

01:37:52.680 of just doing it perfectly because we're exercising muscles that have been silenced

01:37:57.880 and atrophied for decades because of evil men because of evil men with a post-war consensus 0.52

01:38:07.200 the post-liberal order because of globalism because of the whole marxist facade of like

01:38:13.240 well you don't want to be a racist you don't want to do this you don't want to do that

01:38:16.200 um then then what we've done right like who was it that um who was he died of cancer recently

01:38:24.600 great comedian great norm mcdonald norm mcdonald right he had a joke and and he he was saying it

01:38:32.220 as a joke on like a live program and the host just agreed with them not knowing that he was joking

01:38:37.240 but he said like i was uh i was you know the thing that scares me the most about a terrorist attack

01:38:42.520 you know is that um if a terrorist attack you know killed and he was very specific in this

01:38:47.580 this joke um but he's like if a terrorist attack you know did something that killed you know um

01:38:53.040 you know uh millions i think he said millions you can go back and listen to it but i think he said

01:38:58.240 like one or two million americans at some you know big event or whatever and one or two million

01:39:03.480 americans were killed um the um what scares me the most about that is that um for years there

01:39:10.160 would be an anti-islamic sentiment and and the host not knowing that against muslims you know 0.97

01:39:17.420 and and the host not knowing that he was joking was like yeah that oh yeah i totally agree i think

01:39:22.000 he was on the view he was on the view or something it was like i don't think it was whoopi goldberg

01:39:25.940 but it was you know like one cackling hen you know they're all the same so there's some some

01:39:30.440 cackling hen like whoopi goldberg or joy breed or you know somebody like that and they're like oh

01:39:35.320 yeah me too and the point that he was making it was great because they you know hook line and

01:39:39.600 sinker they fell right into the trap but the point that he was making is that we have been so hamstrung

01:39:45.660 by this post-liberal order of tolerance and be anti-racist and globalism and egalitarianism

01:39:56.600 everybody's the same just people are just interchangeable widgets nobody's any different

01:40:01.120 there's zero hierarchy there's zero patriarchy there's zero nationalism there's no transcendence

01:40:07.340 there's no um no absolute truth or god above or hell below there's none of that and we've been so

01:40:15.240 that's that's you want to talk about the dark ages the dark ages that's that's just a anti-christian

01:40:21.080 psyop the enlightenment is the true dark ages that's the true dark ages and that demonic spell

01:40:28.140 has come over westerners western christians and we fell for it we all fell for it and um

01:40:36.980 And so now that some, just a few of us, are starting to wake up, then what does it look

01:40:45.340 like to honor your father, your ancient fathers, your spiritual fathers, your ecclesiastical

01:40:51.840 fathers, these fathers?

01:40:54.440 What does it look like to honor King Alfred?

01:40:57.480 What does it look like to honor Duke Godfrey?

01:40:59.660 What does it look like to honor the Puritans, the Covenanters, the Reformers?

01:41:03.460 what does it look like to honor the church fathers and you know origin and athanasius and augustine

01:41:08.860 like what does it look like to honor these kinds of men it for for people particularly

01:41:17.040 who have who have been blatantly unaware of these men because we weren't taught about them

01:41:23.300 intentionally by design and if we were taught about them we were taught that they were racist

01:41:27.080 bigots right so what does it look for us to honor honorable men worthy of our honor

01:41:33.360 but who we've either been lied to about or not told of their existence in the first place.

01:41:41.720 What does it look like to try to embody that ethos, that spirit of Christian,

01:41:49.340 courageous, masculine virtue? What does it look like for a generation, particularly of Westerners

01:41:54.820 today who have never exercised those muscles before in our life? Neither did our parents

01:42:00.720 or even our grandparents for three generations these muscles have never been used it's going

01:42:07.540 to look like larping get over it better to larp in virtue than to lie in vice in effeminacy 0.99

01:42:22.380 in faggotry 1.00

01:42:24.360 you're the problem 1.00

01:42:27.660 how dare you insult 0.93

01:42:30.360 people

01:42:31.500 who are attempting

01:42:33.080 to be men and women

01:42:35.780 who honor and esteem

01:42:38.540 our fathers and mothers before us

01:42:40.640 and uphold true

01:42:42.400 biblical virtue and values

01:42:44.380 how dare you 0.98

01:42:45.580 a woman's wearing sundresses instead of yoga 1.00

01:42:48.520 pants and trying to bake bread 1.00

01:42:50.340 for her children and teach her daughters to be feminine and not boss babes wearing suits 1.00

01:42:56.680 and you're going to you're going to mock her as a larper 1.00

01:43:01.940 yeah that that's that's what if conservatives are going to create culture again if we're going to 0.88

01:43:13.600 embrace virtue again it has been so long that we have been asleep that it's going to look like a

01:43:21.120 like a five-year-old child that's how bad we are currently that's how long we've been off the bike

01:43:27.680 it's going to look like a five-year-old child trying to ride a bicycle without training wheels

01:43:32.400 for the first time but you got to learn you got a larp before you can fly um that's okay

01:43:41.720 The way God's made the world, everything gets better with age.

01:43:45.400 A marriage matures and that there's more warmth and familiarity.

01:43:49.060 Trees, so both in their stature, their size, their robustness, and also for wood.

01:43:54.420 Trees that are green, they take wood and it bows when you try to use it to build a house.

01:43:58.580 Everything from wine to wood to marriage to a home, all of these things, they mature,

01:44:03.620 they decant, they become more robust with time.

01:44:07.100 Why couldn't we from Joe Biden's inauguration 2021 through 2024?

01:44:10.540 war like why couldn't we make culture in that three-year period we didn't have time it takes

01:44:15.420 time to do that so we got four years it's not enough but if you're going to plant a tree or

01:44:21.340 you're going to you know start a journey of a thousand miles you know the best time to start

01:44:25.040 was 10 years ago the second best time is right now michael any thoughts no good we got someone

01:44:32.200 in the comments his name is templar lux and he says he's basically saying speak for yourself

01:44:38.620 i am literally a templar my pfp is literally me there is no sarcasm i appreciate christendom

01:44:46.340 has fallen fallen billions must larp billions must larp well well said yeah christendom has fallen

01:44:51.480 uh billions must larp um gotta larp before you can fly you gotta start somewhere and um yeah we

01:44:59.180 we are exercising muscles embracing old virtues that are completely foreign to us um i don't know

01:45:06.960 anybody who doesn't admit that i admit that like i i admit that um that this is all it's all new

01:45:14.260 it's all new um but it's true right it's true and when you find something it's i mean the reality is

01:45:23.100 in the in the technical sense it's all old but it's new i mean it's new to us to our generation

01:45:28.640 we have been unfamiliar with these things they have been foreign to us and so when you find

01:45:34.660 something that's new it's novel to you but you realize that it's old it's tried it's true and

01:45:42.700 it's precious then um you do everything you can to be like that right when you discover

01:45:52.500 a true person of virtue you attempt like that's right it's um uh imitation is the highest form

01:46:01.000 of flattery like that's what you do you is like these men were virtuous i see it now i was never

01:46:08.040 taught about these men or i was taught lies about these men but now that i see these men for who

01:46:13.680 they are they're virtuous yeah i want to be like them i know i'm not i know i'm not but i'm going

01:46:21.260 to try because if i try and by god's grace i grow and my son tries by god's grace he grows then um

01:46:30.140 i'm trying but my grandson he'll be flying so and it rhymes therefore it must be true all right

01:46:36.800 thanks for tuning in uh god bless you guys stay uh stay tuned for this evening at 8 p.m central

01:46:42.540 time the friday special continues with myself and pastor andrew isker on the topic of israel

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