The NXR Podcast - THE LIVESTREAM - Daily Wire Bankruptcy & The Future Of Conservative Media w Dominic Tripi

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00:00:55.380 case with the influential conservative news outlet Daily Wire. For almost 10 years, they were

00:01:02.200 untouchable and able to gatekeep the Overton window and rising stars. If the Daily Wire didn't like

00:01:08.980 you, you were out on the street trying to make it on your own. But in the last two weeks, Daily Wire

00:01:15.540 co-CEO Jeremy Boring has been relieved. President John Lewis has supposedly stepped down. Mass layoffs

00:01:24.000 are underway, and Daily Wire is hiring bankruptcy attorneys. Our guest today, Dominique Trippi,

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00:04:43.400 Without further ado, we have a special guest today.

00:04:46.380 We're going to be talking about The Daily Wire and what's going on with them.

00:04:50.520 It does not look great.

00:04:52.840 Spoiler alert, it's not looking good.

00:04:54.880 But we want to be in this space of, you know, of true conservative media, culture and politics

00:05:00.760 and applying the scripture to all of life.

00:05:03.900 And so we want to learn a few lessons ourselves and what's going on.

00:05:07.880 Why is the Daily Wire that it seemed not that long ago is such a titan with household names, completely disrupted Fox News and seemed in many ways to take their place on the scene.

00:05:20.640 And and yet it feels like, you know, Jesus parable, the four soils, you know, that one is on the rocky soil.

00:05:25.600 It's thin and it springs up quickly.

00:05:27.600 But then the sun comes out and it withers.

00:05:29.660 And so we want to talk about what's really going on behind the scenes with The Daily Wire and then our speculation, but then also some application and implications of what does this mean for us?

00:05:39.680 What can we do? How can we be sure to be courageous and to not just take one hill and be content with that and then just try to monopolize, you know, and play it safe?

00:05:50.780 But how can we keep moving the ball down the court in a way that honors God, in a way that is truly America first?

00:05:57.480 So for this task, we have invited in the cold open, I mispronounced his name.

00:06:01.680 I apologize.

00:06:02.680 But we have invited Dominique Michael Trippi.

00:06:06.500 Dominique, welcome to the show.

00:06:08.780 Hey, guys.

00:06:09.560 Very excited to be joining you today.

00:06:11.320 I, you know, I'm kind of excited.

00:06:13.600 I never wish on the downfall of anyone, but I'm somewhat excited that it seems that there

00:06:19.200 is a shift happening in conservative media.

00:06:21.600 And to me, it's a much needed shift.

00:06:23.360 So really looking forward to talking about it with you guys.

00:06:25.660 Awesome.

00:06:26.060 So let's go to Wes real quick, and then Dominic, I want Wes to talk, and then I want you to

00:06:30.340 give your thoughts in regards to what Wes says.

00:06:33.380 But for the first segment, we just kind of want to, pretty much everybody knows what

00:06:37.140 the Daily Wire is, but we want to take a walk down memory lane and maybe some facts

00:06:42.260 and tidbits that people maybe aren't familiar with, like their rise to status and what really

00:06:48.160 made them and what they stand for today, besides just Israel, what do they stand for?

00:06:54.020 and and we'll kind of lay out you know first like who is the daily wire and how did this happen and

00:06:58.320 how did they they achieve such a claim so quickly and that's going to be our first segment and then

00:07:02.920 uh we'll go to a commercial break but after that we'll really get into some inside baseball behind

00:07:07.880 the scenes the reason we brought you on the show today what's going on yep absolutely i have to

00:07:12.260 say too so the daily wire their stock might be at an all-time low but there's individuals within

00:07:17.780 there i'm thinking matt walsh and michael knowles their stock as creators commenters just all around

00:07:23.780 astute individuals especially matt walsh lately is really in many ways never been higher so if you

00:07:28.300 listen to these characters these individuals they're on the daily wire and there's a sense

00:07:32.860 of like but but man where are they going to go guys matt walsh leaving daily wire could be very

00:07:37.700 similar to the way tucker left fox news matt walsh he left and had a bigger platform with more reach

00:07:42.940 and more freedom to interview so i'm excited for the future honestly i think their time left at

00:07:48.360 the daily wire dominique you could you could comment but again honestly could be measured in

00:07:52.780 days i don't know if you guys remember the 2008 financial crisis what's the guy who is jim uh

00:07:57.780 jim kramer jim kramer bear stearns is fine you guys are fine it's gonna come back everything

00:08:03.940 looks good it's like three days later they're practically bankrupt so we really could be in

00:08:07.580 that type of situation now i know ben shapiro yesterday dominique can talk about this he said

00:08:11.980 we're fine guys i've seen the balance sheet great things are coming um real quick daniel woodard in

00:08:17.580 the chat. I just see him. He's always been encouraging and following our ministry. But

00:08:22.780 Daniel Woodward, he says, USAID money dries up, Daily Wire immediately implodes. Coincidence.

00:08:29.140 Coincidence? It's true, though. It's true. So, to take a walk back down memory lane,

00:08:34.800 like you mentioned, you're actually not even going that far. 2015, the Daily Wire forms. They

00:08:40.380 filmed some of the first few episodes with Ben Shapiro literally in Jeremy Boring's pool house.

00:08:45.280 uh it was just kind of a throw together type of thing and it very very quickly rose to the status

00:08:51.120 that we know it of today as a household name it was 2018 so this is about two years into the trump

00:08:57.040 little less two years into the first trump administration a lot of people were switching

00:09:01.200 from getting their news from cable and from television to the internet and specifically

00:09:05.760 streaming so they're streaming video they're streaming podcasts and there's a higher barrier

00:09:09.360 to entry at the time as far as cameras as far as video equipment as far as even just how many people

00:09:14.320 were actually doing it the market is a lot more saturated right now so daily wire really they came

00:09:19.120 in at the perfect time when people's way of consuming media was shifting there's a big

00:09:23.040 kind of conservative surge conservative surge with the first trump administration and by 2018

00:09:28.720 just two years in three years after their formation i mean they were the number one

00:09:33.680 conservative news source on facebook of all the links shared around and everything going on like

00:09:37.760 that daily wire is the number one so they quickly rose to stardom they had a couple very popular

00:09:42.720 movies one of the big ones being what is a woman they were on the front lines of covid and the

00:09:46.580 front lines of well on the front lines of covid sometimes not in the best ways but i mean they

00:09:51.720 they were one of the ones they went to the supreme court to defy the biden administration when they

00:09:55.600 tried to make companies with more than 50 employees take the vaccine so they were there

00:10:00.940 they've been hugely influential really matt walsh specifically on the trans movement he testified

00:10:06.640 for bills in tennessee made a lot a lot of great moves there but you're tracing about an eight to

00:10:11.680 nine-year trajectory and dominique i want to just hand it off to you if you could maybe give an

00:10:16.360 overview of what's going on since then you had jeremy's razors you had i don't know what they

00:10:21.540 called company yeah what was it called one with nuts one without that was his and hers yeah yeah

00:10:27.720 so they had a couple of the gimmicks they've been trying to do these shows because the ceo

00:10:31.240 jeremy boring a former co-ceo he's always had a dream of being a movie star being a movie director

00:10:37.260 of being a producer so he's put a lot of money into that dream they put a lot of effort a lot

00:10:42.700 of branding into like we're the anti-woke we're the new media we're the disruptors

00:10:47.400 i don't know dominique what would you say the last few years how is that landing

00:10:51.120 well you know they've had quite the trajectory that's that's for certain um it seems to me

00:10:57.420 like simply they started spreading themselves too thin as far as other uh focuses of their

00:11:03.100 business so you know they're primarily known for conservative commentary and for their conservative

00:11:07.600 personalities michael matt walsh michael knowles ben shapiro obviously for a time candace owens

00:11:13.560 brett cooper now obviously the most popular thing that's happened is that candace owens has left the

00:11:18.780 daily wire along with brett cooper they're only female personalities they subsequently candace

00:11:24.060 owens now has top five viewership concerning her podcast and ben shapiro oftentimes is uh netting 1.00

00:11:31.460 almost 10 times less views than candace owens who they so famously and sort of defiantly

00:11:36.500 pushed out so i think overall what's happened is um you know they did a couple major feature films

00:11:44.200 those obviously cost a great deal of money they started a children's division and an animated

00:11:49.540 division which i mean let's just put it bluntly it completely flopped it was a very expensive

00:11:55.360 endeavor and it failed miserably so i think that ultimately as the state of their political

00:12:01.700 commentary sort of declined and became somewhat out of touch with the digital consuming audience

00:12:07.900 that they have um i think that unfortunately for them um it's just kind of all caught up to them

00:12:13.840 and now we're seeing it play out publicly and it's it's kind of embarrassing to see the way that

00:12:17.900 they're attempting to cover it up because even just today with um ian carroll and this gentleman

00:12:23.560 named James Lee and myself having some tweets about them supposedly hiring a bankruptcy attorney

00:12:29.140 notice that today from Ben Shapiro there was no denial and the PR employee that they said or that

00:12:35.900 you know was reported exited indeed admitted today that she resigned or that she was fired

00:12:41.180 so and again it's a PR person so take whatever she says with a grain of salt but no I just think

00:12:46.020 that their mistakes and sort of their overconfidence in their position ultimately led them to where

00:12:50.980 they are today let's get into that real quick um we don't have to wait till the second segment we

00:12:56.740 can just we can just start speculating um what do you think you said some of the mistakes i'd like

00:13:02.700 to get your point of view dominique what do you think some of those mistakes are well you know

00:13:08.660 and this is something that i've told to many different um creators that i that i've worked

00:13:14.340 with that are working for a larger company now with the proliferation of the ability to stream

00:13:21.360 and you just mentioned this here a moment ago um you know it's very easy now for someone just to

00:13:26.380 pick up a camera get a light you know you can you can learn how to set this stuff up rather rather

00:13:31.640 easily and it's not so much in the political media sphere it's not about the name on the front of the

00:13:38.220 jersey which you know most of the time that's going to be pretty important you want to be a team

00:13:42.640 player but now due to the fact that so many people are able to start their own operation

00:13:47.660 and and also nowadays people are highly more interested in authenticity that's the only thing

00:13:55.340 that people truly care about is that they can believe what you're saying you don't have an

00:13:59.740 agenda and you're certainly not saying things on behalf of either a foreign country or a lobbying

00:14:04.260 firm or whatever it might be so i just think that they got completely lost and uh i mean what's your

00:14:11.460 opinion yeah i i do think that uh i think it's it's a few things so i you know we talked about

00:14:18.940 this a while ago but you think of the reformation um you know like it's not just luther comes on the

00:14:25.140 scene but it's also you know it's teamed up with the gutenberg printing press you know and and all

00:14:29.640 of a sudden it's really hard to have a monopoly on information and it's hard to have a monopoly

00:14:34.400 on truth you know whether it's actual truth or whether you're just deeming it to be truth

00:14:39.240 but either way you know people you know all of a sudden the layman you know can can set up shop

00:14:44.800 and disseminate information and get his opinions his point of view across um and so you know the

00:14:50.540 latin vulgate you know most people you know were illiterate they couldn't even speak latin or

00:14:54.980 understand it much less read it um you know but but the catholic church you know roman catholicism

00:14:59.940 at the time of luther had a monopoly but it wasn't just luther and his own theological you

00:15:04.820 know views and these kinds of things his own charisma his own personality his own intellect

00:15:09.020 but it was teamed up with you know with technological innovation the printing press

00:15:14.000 so here we are you know and yeah like like what west was saying anybody you know can set up a

00:15:20.100 studio in their mom's garage i'll give one more billy graham and television yeah he was right

00:15:24.660 there and he became the first televised televangelist became a household name i mean

00:15:28.960 there's a statute of him now john mcarthur you know and cassette tapes you know and all these

00:15:34.240 you know in radio and so um at each leg of technological innovation new players you know

00:15:40.340 early adopters um come on the scene and um and and by virtue of being an early adopter like there

00:15:47.580 are some um intrinsic rewards that they experience but not in perpetuity they have to eventually

00:15:53.080 defend it and keep it by substance by actual merit and so i think you know the daily wire

00:15:58.520 was an early adopter they had some good insight good strategy they came on the scene with podcasting

00:16:03.120 those things early. And that helped them tremendously. But at this point, that's not

00:16:10.720 enough. So I think part of it is just the competition that for a while, it's like,

00:16:15.480 well, to get cameras and to get equipment and to get all these things and to stream and blah,

00:16:19.300 blah. But now it's not that hard. Anybody can do it. And so I think part of it is just the rise

00:16:23.680 of competition. But two, I really do think that both for the political left and the political

00:16:28.500 right for their, you know, respective reasons. They don't have the same reasons, but pretty much

00:16:34.580 universally at this point, everybody, you know, 45 years old and under is kind of like, it's pretty

00:16:42.780 much gone mainstream, you know, between Ian Carroll and Joe Rogan, you know, and then you've

00:16:46.580 got Daryl Cooper and Tucker Carlson, our guy Boniface Option, Andrew Isker, you know, today

00:16:51.660 is on Tucker Carlson. And so at this point, the J pill has been taken by pretty much everybody

00:17:01.780 under the age of 45. And so my point is, you don't have to come to the same conclusions.

00:17:07.700 You don't have to, you know, there's a sliding scale of different opinions and conclusions.

00:17:13.700 and and what does this mean um but but if you if somebody is is not ever critical of israel at all

00:17:22.360 i think that um a willingness to be critical towards our greatest ally tm um a willingness

00:17:28.840 to be critical of israel has become in many ways the universal litmus test of uh whether or not

00:17:35.160 somebody is trustworthy and i'm right or wrong and i do think it's right but right or wrong 1.00

00:17:41.200 um that's just that's the way it is like boomers are going to be gone very soon they're not going 0.59

00:17:46.980 to be here forever they may harvest some organs and build a base on the moon and i don't know 0.96

00:17:51.920 maybe they squeeze out another 150 years knowing the boomers they'll find a way but 0.94

00:17:55.260 barring that the boomers will be gone eventually we've been saying that for like 50 years they're 0.77

00:18:01.040 still here but they will be gone eventually and um and honestly man gen x millennials gen z 0.96

00:18:08.220 like everyone like people if they're on the left if they're on the right like if there's if there 0.90

00:18:13.940 is anything that pretty much everybody's on board with it's right oh we're not a big fan of israel

00:18:19.880 so i think i think part of it is yes the competition because of you know technological

00:18:24.700 innovation everybody can have a podcast but i think also part of it is people are like

00:18:28.300 dude if if you're sitting here telling me um well does it really matter who who killed jfk you know

00:18:34.780 it happened 60 years ago it's not a big deal oh but by the way there's something that happened 80 0.75

00:18:38.920 years ago and it's a super big deal let's go back to my main point the holocaust like young people

00:18:45.260 that was a real article for the record that ben shapiro wrote does it really matter who killed

00:18:49.920 jfk the most popular presidents we had precipitated the civil rights because johnson that literally

00:18:55.480 was his take was you know what uh it really doesn't matter who killed jfk and say well no

00:19:03.600 it kind of does matter and and so anyway so i think those two things i think one everybody can

00:19:08.460 have a podcast there's just more competition i think we're going to see more and more

00:19:11.480 decentralizing i i think the day of the celebrity in conservative media is probably coming to an

00:19:17.180 end i think you'll have some guys who already achieved it and they'll be able to live out you

00:19:20.780 know the rest of their career guys like tucker carlson guys like charlie kirk um but but i think

00:19:25.960 for you know for a lot of other guys it's it's there's just too much competition but but secondly

00:19:31.200 um i think part of the reason why tucker is going to be able to stay around is because he's willing

00:19:36.680 to at least scratch the surface and have some of these kinds of conversations that other guys

00:19:42.360 aren't willing to have and i really again i think universally across the board if you're 45 years

00:19:47.620 or younger um even you could argue even 50 or younger if you're on the left if you're on the

00:19:52.900 right if you're a moderate a centrist like across the board universally everybody pretty much agrees

00:19:58.140 with one thing and that one thing is israel is uh they they've done they've done some things

00:20:04.720 and uh and if somebody is unwilling to criticize israel at all people immediately they instinctively

00:20:10.940 think even if they're wrong they think this guy's bought and paid for yeah what do you think dominie

00:20:17.100 well i think that you just hit the nail on the head i mean truthfully if we're really going to

00:20:22.800 analyze the division that we're witnessing on the right i mean it has picked up speed

00:20:27.900 with uh october 7th like you would never believe i mean many of these discussions that people are

00:20:33.220 having even like the discussion that daryl cooper had with tucker carlson do you really think that

00:20:37.900 would be an acceptable conversation prior to october 7th i certainly do not i mean this as

00:20:43.000 far as advancing the ball down the field uh when discussing uncomfortable or inconvenient truths

00:20:48.260 about about you know israel and the associated group of people and their influence on the united

00:20:53.740 States I mean it's been very noticeable that the Daily Wire has made a very distinctive effort to

00:21:02.340 gatekeep or completely illegitimize any of that information that's coming out and actually Joel

00:21:09.820 something that you mentioned on one of your previous episodes you were speaking about

00:21:12.860 you referred to it as the woke war one or something along those lines and I believe

00:21:19.620 we're focusing on issues of like transgenderism of sexual degeneracy of some other issues that

00:21:26.480 were very easy for us as conservatives to attack from a right-wing perspective now what you're

00:21:32.280 basically witnessing is that for all intents and purposes it seems that we've kind of won that war

00:21:38.460 in the court of public opinion it is not profitable to be supporting those ideas it is not popular

00:21:44.660 if people continue to push those ideologies they basically get not blacklisted but people don't

00:21:49.740 like them it's not getting views it's not getting attention daily wire was built in order to combat

00:21:55.860 that sort of extreme leftism but what you're seeing now and this is especially picked up

00:22:02.600 since donald trump has won the election but you're seeing lots of infighting actually on the right

00:22:08.000 And it's due almost 100% primarily due to this whole sort of Israel divide that's happening.

00:22:15.320 And so Ben Shapiro and the ownership group of Daily Wire has made no secrets about their

00:22:20.620 affiliation.

00:22:21.360 The fact that he's even said the words, the main reason I support Donald Trump is because

00:22:25.760 of his commitment to Israel.

00:22:27.400 And when you have people that are supposed to be influential figures saying that to a

00:22:32.500 digital media audience who, like you said, is primarily under 45 and almost none of them

00:22:37.440 want to hear that anymore it screams inauthenticity it screams straight up lying and i think that um

00:22:45.120 i don't think they're going to be able to get out from under this i don't think there's any chance

00:22:48.740 i agree yeah i think that at this point uh people people have seen a little bit too much you you

00:22:56.580 know like they they've peeked behind the curtain and uh and like i said like not everybody's going

00:23:01.320 to come to the same conclusion some guys are going to go further than others you know some

00:23:04.320 people are going to say, well, Israel certainly shouldn't be our ally. And then other people are

00:23:08.220 going to say, and also the Jews are responsible for everything. So there's a lot of wiggle room

00:23:12.540 in between those positions and people will land at different places on this scale. But to say,

00:23:18.760 to take the position of Israel is our greatest ally, they can do no wrong. And it's great

00:23:25.540 that we have a ton of federally elected individuals with dual citizenship.

00:23:32.780 you know like that that position is just indefensible at this point people have seen too

00:23:38.060 much um it's it's just not going to work out and and like we said i was going to say financially

00:23:43.760 like it's one thing of like well we got this person on our team they contribute we don't agree

00:23:47.400 and we'll push back publicly but candace owens it was the feud with her and ben shapiro that led to

00:23:51.940 her departure you're letting someone go out the door supposedly her and brett cooper were two of

00:23:56.500 the last really profitable shows they had willing to see hundreds of thousands to potentially

00:24:01.120 millions of dollars walk out the door over your opinion on that that's when it goes from hey we're

00:24:06.520 all under one roof i think the blaze does this really well they have a bunch of different

00:24:09.580 contributors who have different views but they're not trying to gatekeep or not trying to say like

00:24:13.500 hey you're on our network you can't say x y and z right we've got our differences but as long as

00:24:17.940 you sign this contract you're producing you're doing all that no big deal daily wire said we'll

00:24:22.900 let you we'll let millions of dollars we'll let your influence walk out the door over this single

00:24:27.960 issue legitimately we have differences on other things but if you're not down with this we're

00:24:32.700 content to see you walk and i mean like you can't be bad when you make that your test and the money

00:24:37.520 walks away and it keeps walking away and i think that's the name of the game so dominic i i agree

00:24:42.720 with you 100 that's kind of the lingo that you know me and some of our constituents have been

00:24:46.960 using is woke wars one woke wars two i think there's a lot of guys on the right who you know

00:24:53.280 they they they fought they fought valiantly were grateful for what they did you know they were like

00:24:57.800 social justice is a scam um wokeness is a scam crt is a scam all these kinds of things but really

00:25:04.440 at the end of the day that's like their commitment is still to 20th century liberalism they're like

00:25:09.620 it's there there's a difference you know i i tweeted out the other day i said um historic

00:25:14.040 christianity is greater than 20th century liberalism wearing a christian skin suit

00:25:19.120 and that's where we're finding i think that's the dividing line today right there's like a ton of

00:25:23.920 different issues israel is one of them uh what is an american is one of them heritage america like

00:25:29.000 h1b visas you know all the way that immigration um you know who should be uh able to vote you

00:25:35.060 know like there's a million different issues feminism you know the 19th amendment there's

00:25:39.120 all these different things but if i was to sum it up right because a lot of people want to know

00:25:43.480 where are the battle lines what what is it what is it you know if you could sum it up you know

00:25:48.080 give it a central rallying cry. Basically, I think the battle today is historic Christianity

00:25:54.740 versus 20th century liberalism wearing a Christian skin suit. That's what it is. Because for the 0.76

00:26:01.440 longest time, I tried to make it more ideological. And for me, because I'm a pastor, you know, I

00:26:07.200 tried to, for me, the ideology would have been theology. And so for me, I was like, well, it's

00:26:12.220 eschatology. You know, there's guys who are pessimistic in their eschatology, you know,

00:26:15.800 their dispensational pre-mill and you know they've just checked out of the culture war because jesus

00:26:20.500 is going to come back next thursday and then there's post-millennial guys and like you know

00:26:26.560 i i tried to i tried to think like it's that you know it's there's got to be some theological

00:26:30.980 reason uh but but then you know the you know a year goes by two years go by and you realize

00:26:37.720 no that's that's actually not it because there's guys who are post-millennial um but but in their

00:26:43.460 day-to-day life in terms of their their active strategy you know and their mission um their

00:26:48.600 post-millennialism all it amounts to at the end of the day is yes christ will win gradually

00:26:53.260 progressively not despite a losing church but through the church and he will do it thoroughly

00:26:58.340 successfully in 50 000 years but for now we need to support our greatest ally you know and i'm like

00:27:05.520 and so it turns out that like post-millennial you can be post-millennial and still be a zionist

00:27:10.760 100 100 and and you know and so anyway so i'm looking at these things and i'm realizing okay

00:27:18.140 this is what it comes down to um who who likes john calvin and who would excommunicate calvin

00:27:25.280 who likes athanasius and who would excommunicate athanasius who likes you know who um who will

00:27:32.440 take tours lead tours of a bunch of reformed christians you know and go and visit luther's

00:27:38.160 graveside but also if luther was alive today would excommunicate luther you know and and that's

00:27:45.000 basically what i realized is like okay when it comes to picking your team um i decided like i

00:27:50.900 think i i think i want to be on the team of the guys who um who aren't just agreeing with the

00:27:57.020 soteriology of luther or calvin or whatever but who actually um actually think that you know that

00:28:04.720 maybe there were real christians before the 1940s and and i think that's the dividing so the woke

00:28:11.220 war one they were like yeah let's you know let's get back to the 1980s you know the the good old

00:28:16.760 the good old years and and they're just content to do that that's that's enough for them um woke

00:28:22.120 war two is guys who are like no we haven't won yet that's that's a victory we're grateful for

00:28:27.040 but we still need to push the ball forward they're the guys who are asking questions like what is an

00:28:31.140 american and and you know you joel barry's of the world are like well any anyone who has uh american

00:28:38.140 citizenship and it's like but but we want to speak that way with any other country i could attain

00:28:43.020 japanese citizenship probably not but maybe maybe they let me do it but i'd never be japanese and

00:28:49.000 i said well that's because it's japan you know that's different they're asian you know well you

00:28:52.160 could do the same thing in europe like i i could attain french citizenship i'll never be a french

00:28:56.560 management i never will be i'll never be a brit you know and so um but in america anyone from

00:29:03.860 anywhere like it's like there's two people in the world two categories there are americans and

00:29:07.460 potential americans what what who lives in india 1.3 billion potential americans live in india

00:29:13.020 and and i think a lot of people are like that is insane that's ridiculous nobody ever thought this

00:29:19.440 way no one in all of human history ever thought this way even it's not even just historic

00:29:23.880 christianity at this point it's just historic humanity pagans didn't think this way muslims

00:29:28.800 didn't think this way nobody has thought this way ever ever and and some guys are just like the

00:29:36.080 james lindseys of the world they didn't like wokeness the reason they fought in woke wars one

00:29:40.500 is because they didn't want to be replaced by minorities in in the halls of academia right 0.90

00:29:46.920 that's all it was for them for them it was literally just securing their job

00:29:50.260 but but for others of us we're like no like we actually want we want to secure you know the

00:29:57.440 potential and the freedom and the jobs you know and and the heritage not just for ourselves but

00:30:01.660 for our children's children we want to fight a little further we want to go a little further

00:30:06.580 and so everything is just fracturing and I and I think it's going to continue to so all that

00:30:11.440 being said the last thing I was going to mention is I think the name of the game right now is back

00:30:15.360 to what you were saying west um blaze has it has its own problems but here's the thing with blaze

00:30:21.000 it's um you can point to you know it's less institutional that there are some institutional

00:30:26.720 but it's more like this you know this contributor this contributor but i like this contributor and

00:30:31.320 i like this contributor and i think that the model that the blaze has like for one it's like

00:30:36.780 like 40 50 different contributors i can name five of them um you know so that model versus daily

00:30:42.360 wire and and the biggest thing is not gatekeeping and not trying to steamroll and centralize

00:30:48.520 everything and so what i think moving forward is we're probably going to have a lot of smaller

00:30:53.300 voices um you know and and people are just it's going to be decentralized everybody's going to

00:30:59.080 have their guy i listen to joel i listen to isker i listen to this guy i listen to that guy

00:31:03.020 you're going to have a lot of that and you still need you need comrades in arms you still need that

00:31:09.000 That's inescapable. But I think loose coalitions, loose coalitions is the name of the game where where you can have friendship, real friendship and and not have friendly fire, not not turn on each other and and try to destroy each other because you disagree on one issue.

00:31:27.600 So loose coalitions that are working towards the same general thing, but then you have to iron out what is that general thing.

00:31:35.320 And I think if you could sum it up, it's liberalism.

00:31:38.740 Liberalism has to die.

00:31:41.060 We have to beat 20th century liberalism.

00:31:43.260 I'll give you the final word, Dominique, and then we'll go to a commercial break.

00:31:47.040 So just one last point regarding the troubles that Daily Wire is experiencing.

00:31:52.060 I think one of the foundational reasons for, we'll call it their downfall, is just the sheer hypocrisy in which they operate.

00:31:59.480 I mean, these are the people that very famously espoused, facts are not your feelings.

00:32:04.060 But then all of a sudden, when we try to bring up completely unbiased and really not any facts that have any ulterior motives, I'm stating them,

00:32:13.900 they immediately just try to discredit, smear, and essentially slander anyone that brings them up.

00:32:20.520 So I just think that the fact that, you know, they so defiantly were talking about that only facts dictate the truth and only facts are going to be our guiding light for them to so outwardly ignore many of the things that people are seeing in front of their eyes, like the fact that we created a task force for October 7th when we're not even the country that was affected by it.

00:32:43.460 We created a task force for anti-Semitism on college campuses where we're deporting people that are legally here, even though I don't necessarily want them to be here to begin with. 0.96

00:32:52.500 The excuse for deporting them instead of actively trying to deport the 40 or up to 50 million illegal immigrants that are here in the United States today, it just shows that they're just they're out of touch and they appear, you know, is it that they're out of touch or that they're naive or is it that they're being intentionally deceptive? 0.90

00:33:11.780 And I believe that it's the latter. 1.00

00:33:13.460 I agree. All right, let's go to our first commercial break and then we will be right back.

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00:34:57.340 All right, welcome back. Dominique, all you. You tweeted out over the weekend. You're hearing it.

00:35:03.860 that the daily wire is apparently looking at bankruptcy attorneys tell us more

00:35:11.220 yes so um so i actually have a bit of a friendship with ian carroll and i also have a bit of a

00:35:16.820 friendship with uh one of these reporters that he called out brett cooper leaving two weeks before

00:35:22.660 it happened he called out jeremy boring leaving before it actually happened he's a gentleman by

00:35:27.380 the name of jeremy lee and so he on private channels was telling me that there was turmoil

00:35:33.940 that they were thinking about hiring or excuse me firing their public relations director who

00:35:39.540 supposedly is very chummy with jeremy boring and also contributed to some of the toxic culture that

00:35:44.820 we hear about there but um excuse me but basically i had heard that there was troubles and i reached

00:35:53.380 out to a couple other people that i knew had sources there and they told me that it was quite

00:35:57.060 a bit worse than uh people actually knew and that they were looking at officially hiring a bankruptcy

00:36:03.380 attorney or not that they were looking to but they officially did hire a bankruptcy attorney and i

00:36:08.400 will say allegedly because i am unable to confirm that other than through this source although

00:36:13.560 daily wire has not denied it but um yeah i mean basically we found out that it's just cascading

00:36:21.240 the issues they've had over the last several weeks that we've learned about um that culminated in

00:36:25.280 jeremy leaving and then we started to kind of go through the fact uh about the animation department

00:36:31.420 about the fact that 25 of their staff was being laid off and so the bankruptcy attorney was

00:36:38.460 allegedly hired because i mean it appears they're going through a formal restructuring and i mean

00:36:44.440 that it does make a bit of sense considering the fact that they did let two of their most

00:36:49.280 profitable creators go by far but i will say you know in 2023 uh now it's a private company so

00:36:57.260 these these financials are not public but axios reported that they were uh their valuation was

00:37:02.760 north of one billion dollars and then also uh in may of 2024 axios also reported that they made

00:37:09.300 over 23 million dollars just in commerce in 2023 so they certainly have made money and i think it

00:37:17.540 goes it speaks to just the severity of some of these decisions that jeremy boring made

00:37:23.520 especially with his ventures into trying to create major hollywood films and these animated

00:37:28.740 series like i touched on um i think that there was just totally unscrupulous uh terrible financial

00:37:35.380 decisions made and yeah that that's what's happening now can can you tell us dominique

00:37:40.060 real quick um honing on jeremy so we did an episode uh talking you know when when he first

00:37:45.340 announced um or it was announced that he was going to be stepping down as co-ceo um but i yeah i've

00:37:54.400 heard a thing or two but i i don't feel comfortable saying anything because i i can't i can't confirm

00:37:59.140 and if and if you don't feel comfortable either because you can't confirm but um but if you have

00:38:03.840 anything that you feel like is is fairly you know reliable i i've just i've heard that um it's on

00:38:12.000 one level, it's the financial decisions of, okay, you've got a political, cultural, pundit

00:38:19.120 media business, which yes, we do need good conservative art and media and entertainment

00:38:27.720 and stuff for kids. I agree with that vision, but you have to know what you have. You know what I

00:38:32.960 mean? You have to know what you have. And The Daily Wire is predominantly, it's Ben Shapiro,

00:38:37.680 Matt Walsh, Michael Knowles, Andrew Klavan, talking about, it's a daily show. It's a

00:38:41.980 daily show on politics that's what it is and and it's one thing to say you know this is our bread

00:38:47.500 and butter this is what you know what brings home the bacon and how everybody gets paid this is

00:38:52.980 what's viable and uh but we're going to put a little bit aside and we're going to try to make

00:38:57.560 you know one good film you know we're going to try to make a program a tv show for kids um but but

00:39:03.480 it's but it's a whole other thing to say we're going to spend you know a hundred million dollars

00:39:08.420 in the course of just a few years, you know, producing Hollywood level films, which we'll all

00:39:15.960 have a female protagonist, you know, there'll be conservative, good conservative films, except

00:39:21.980 everything you would imagine a young man doing, it'll be a chick. Because we're not that

00:39:27.900 conservative, you know, you know, so run, hide, fight, you know, whatever. But, but it's, but to

00:39:33.720 do it at that level it did kind of seem like at some at some point it felt like it's one thing to

00:39:40.480 do this on the side but remember what your main business model is like what what the daily wire

00:39:45.680 is but but then at a certain point it felt like now ben shapiro and walsh and knowles they the

00:39:53.440 daily show the daily political analysis just exists to to to fund uh jeremy's you know kind

00:40:01.280 of hollywood career like like i you know i grew up in like more you know charismatic churches and

00:40:05.960 and you always had those guys on the worship band it's like this guy clearly like his dream was to

00:40:11.860 be like in a rock band right you know and uh and uh sunday morning worship team is his way of trying

00:40:17.680 to fulfill that you know he's like like we're singing a song and then he's like ripping like

00:40:22.580 a guitar solo you know and and um it's like it's a little bit too much um and so it seems like

00:40:28.260 that's kind of what jeremy was doing uh so one just the business model of like is is is the daily

00:40:32.960 wire just your stepping stone for fulfilling your hollywood dream and then and then second

00:40:38.640 uh second thing is i have heard and but but i want to give it to you dominique uh but i have heard

00:40:45.100 that interacting with jeremy uh boring wasn't necessarily a picnic you know just personality

00:40:51.840 wise is there anything that you can say from from your sources that would be reliable

00:40:56.740 uh in in either of those arenas uh absolutely so what i've and i'll just i'll just say who said it

00:41:06.140 because he has said it publicly as well but a journalist friend of mine jeremy lee he has said

00:41:11.400 that sources within the daily wire that actually work there said that jeremy boring was one of the

00:41:16.660 biggest prima donnas uh just a basically a terrible guy extremely difficult to work with

00:41:22.880 someone that caused division within their office where people are taking sides you know are you on

00:41:28.060 Jeremy's team are you on Matt Walsh's team that type of situation and exactly what you said about

00:41:34.460 sort of his illusions of grandeur as far as being a Hollywood star or whatever his aspirations were

00:41:41.040 I think that's very evident just in the way that not only the many different projects that that he

00:41:46.920 attempted to do which he was featured in but also quite frankly and not to personally insult the guy

00:41:52.200 but he just appeared to be unnatural on camera like he was forcing it anyways like he was

00:41:58.860 trying to force this dry humor and trying to force himself to be someone that was deserving

00:42:04.500 of having an on-camera opportunity and i just don't think the guy was really that likable i

00:42:09.100 don't think he was really that talented and i think that i think that actually bled over to

00:42:13.760 some of his business decisions and of course i don't know their their precise financials but i

00:42:18.540 know that plenty of people have gone on record saying that he is not a good person to deal with 0.94

00:42:24.780 and that frankly he's stupid as far as many of his aims so there is validity to those claims 100 0.90

00:42:31.000 and i think that you're actually going to hear some more about that um from candace owens this 0.98

00:42:36.900 week because when the pr director admitted that she resigned i saw that candace actually went

00:42:42.900 after a bit and said well now i'm no longer contractually obligated to keep secrets about

00:42:47.200 you if you're no longer part of the con the company so thank you very much for admitting it publicly

00:42:51.680 so i think you're going to see much more about this um let's be honest guys you know

00:42:56.480 where when there's smoke there's fire and we're seeing a heck of a lot of smoke right now yeah

00:43:01.520 that's that's helpful i think um you know just just from an outsider perspective um

00:43:07.360 god king is a pretty bold nickname i mean like to be fair accessible christians to be yeah for

00:43:14.560 for an evangelical christian like and let's be fair lowercase g right lowercase k but still like

00:43:21.740 i mean and you mentioned like well i got to say this because it's just it's just way too relevant

00:43:26.500 for myself um you know so elephant in the room uh i even last night my wife and i you know the

00:43:33.120 last week i've gotten so many i don't know if you know this dominique um there's a lot of people

00:43:38.640 don't like me so like so you mentioned likability and it's like i'm i'm not that likable wes we're

00:43:47.000 friends we hang out a lot i like you okay west likes me but he's like autistic so there's a

00:43:55.240 few but you're the same thing as me yeah he's like yeah like you're weird i'm weird you know

00:43:59.540 so like michael likes me you know but both of them are paid to like me you know but but let's

00:44:03.660 be real not pay very much i don't want to cut you off but you're most certainly like well you're

00:44:10.480 just not likable to people that despise the truth especially ones that are inconvenient especially

00:44:15.560 ones that kind of shake you up when you say hey you know this is a christian country and these

00:44:19.840 are the steps that we need to take these are the people that should be voting this is the 0.99

00:44:23.500 traditional family structure we need to have women deserve a secondary role because that's 0.98

00:44:28.020 what god intended and i think that many of the things that you say those were the norm they were 0.87

00:44:34.040 the decades for hundreds of years like i've seen here throughout the world and the fact that these

00:44:39.740 people ignore the truth that's right in front of their eyes that they know are they really so

00:44:44.960 naive or do they are they really so overconfident to think that they are smarter than everyone over

00:44:51.020 the course of human history i do not i think you're very likable and there was a reason why

00:44:55.580 i was excited to join the show today so just keep doing what you're doing man sorry to cut you off

00:44:59.600 no i appreciate that i appreciate that that's super encouraging super encouraging i need that

00:45:05.500 um thank you but i that that's what i think you know like i it's funny because i i describe

00:45:12.760 myself to a lot of people is um i honestly like like wes will tell you like i'm i'm a moderate

00:45:19.720 it i'm kind of squishy sometimes i'm like what is this like i'll tweet things out and west will

00:45:25.100 just straight up like just i i gotta i gotta defend my boy west you know because some guys

00:45:29.760 like i'll tweet things out yesterday i tweeted something uh uh you know metrics for who should

00:45:35.260 be allowed which was a quote of matt walsh who was doing a great job yeah matt walsh he he tweeted

00:45:39.480 something i thought it was pretty good pretty good you know i'm you know i'm proud of him he's

00:45:45.440 you know baby steps you know baby steps and uh and so he was like these are the people who should

00:45:49.260 vote you know you should be married you should be this you should be that um it was like welfare

00:45:53.540 yeah not taking welfare paying taxes you know and be married you know those kind of things

00:45:58.140 um and i was like hey you know that's a good start and so then i tweeted out my version you

00:46:02.660 know i just retweeted them and i said you should be a third generation american um and and you

00:46:08.820 should um not take welfare i agree with that christian you should be christian um you should

00:46:14.620 be white no i'm just kidding i didn't say that but third generation american you should be christian

00:46:21.080 you should be what else did i say west male uh male yep so head of household you should be male

00:46:26.640 uh repeal the 19th right i think that's a moderate position i think you know so so i just said

00:46:32.000 typical moderate things and west like you know guys are like swarming west you know offline you

00:46:36.900 know guys who follow the show and they're like west like come get your boy what is this like 0.98

00:46:40.740 Look at this squish. 1.00

00:46:42.040 This squish, third generation, try 10th generation. 0.99

00:46:45.000 Try not 10th, and then maybe. 0.96

00:46:46.960 And then maybe you can get half of a vote.

00:46:49.320 And so anyways, but my point is that, yeah, I get a lot of flack.

00:46:54.420 And I get emails.

00:46:56.320 I got an email from somebody today, because things, they go viral, and then they die off, and they go viral again.

00:47:02.760 And somebody was like, you think, no, it was my parents.

00:47:06.280 My parents were like a friend of theirs was like, yeah, like we saw Joel and we love, we love Joel.

00:47:11.360 We love you guys.

00:47:12.020 But we were a little concerned that he said that, you know, that ultimately what would stop the Me Too movement is just a few executions. 0.91

00:47:21.080 And I did say that. 1.00

00:47:22.560 That's that's true.

00:47:23.560 But but I said it in context.

00:47:25.200 I said, look, here's this is the book of Deuteronomy.

00:47:27.740 This is just scripture that whatever the charges that you're levying towards someone else, whatever the penalty would be if they were found guilty.

00:47:34.300 if it turns out that you're lying in a court of law then the same penalty that would have fallen 0.78

00:47:39.420 on their head falls on your head right into the biblical penalty for r-a-p-e um is death and if 0.50

00:47:46.580 it turns out you're lying about that then death would be the penalty that you get very moderate

00:47:51.180 position super super chill eye for an eye tooth for a tooth eye for an eye tooth for a tooth life

00:47:55.640 for a life yeah so this is like basic christianity everybody you know held to these kinds of views

00:47:59.860 not that long ago but people lose their minds so anyways but back to likable my wife and i were

00:48:04.380 talking you know last night and she was like joel like you're always in trouble i love you like we'll

00:48:10.780 sit down we'll watch full episodes together so that you know because the clip will go viral so

00:48:14.280 she can get the context and she's like yeah i agree with that and she was like is there anything

00:48:18.260 you can do and i was like sweetheart i i don't know if there is because um at the end of the day

00:48:23.140 like brian silvey has a handlebar mustache writes love songs about his daughters right you know what

00:48:30.120 i mean and is chuckling you know and has this ongoing you know rapport and and uh with you

00:48:36.000 know with ben and like like some people are just going to be more likable than others and so my

00:48:40.840 point in all that as it pertains to our topic today with jeremy is i'm sympathetic i'm like

00:48:45.660 i'm not you know i'm sympathetic if a guy's just not likable but but there's a difference in the

00:48:51.480 random person on the other side of the world watching your content not liking you because

00:48:55.460 they're a leftist you know or a reformed christian but i you know i'm being redundant at this point

00:49:01.500 but like they're a leftist and and and they hate your position and therefore they don't like you

00:49:06.800 but there's like dominique is saying but there's another level when it's like

00:49:10.300 when somebody in house doesn't like you like like lots of people don't like joel webbin

00:49:16.640 but people in our church like like michael you're like yeah joel sometimes you're a little spicy

00:49:21.460 you but but um but michael knows me west knows me the members of our church know me so when somebody

00:49:29.020 digs up you know my sin real sin but from 12 and a half years ago our church uh doesn't bat an eye

00:49:35.100 they're like we know you we know you're like people think i'm arrogant but they're like even

00:49:40.660 the clips that go viral is like i'm the best uh the best we got our church was there for the sermon 0.98

00:49:44.840 they're like yeah that came on the heels of 10 minutes of you talking about how retarded you are 0.94

00:49:49.280 and how like the christendom that you're working towards you wouldn't even be uh able to be 0.94

00:49:53.500 licensed to preach you know like not even youth pastor right i'm not even allowed to be a youth

00:49:58.520 pastor and the christendom the ideal that i'm working towards and all that was in the sermon

00:50:02.980 but 30 seconds gets deceitfully clipped out so people in my orbit this is the point people in

00:50:08.820 my orbit my wife my kids my parents who are members in our church michael wes um all the

00:50:14.580 other members in our church our board 80 robles they're all like like they are constantly telling 0.99

00:50:19.220 me joel maybe confess to a few less people and maybe um maybe don't talk about how dumb you are 0.96

00:50:25.240 you know and share like your iq with you know every like you're you're you're too authentic 0.98

00:50:31.020 you're you're too honest and and sometimes you beat yourself up a little bit too much 0.99

00:50:35.180 everybody else in in in the internet world they're like he's a jerk you know he's full of himself 0.97

00:50:40.660 whatever but for Jeremy it seems like from what I hear it seems like it's the opposite 0.97

00:50:45.120 and that I think is when there's a problem when when outside you know the people who don't know

00:50:51.540 you who are just watching lady ballers or whatever they're like hey he seems like a great guy but

00:50:56.540 everyone who knows you is like he wouldn't stand up for us I feel underpaid he won't listen to our

00:51:03.940 view he like that to me that's what's most concerning Doug Wilson has said this in the

00:51:09.040 past i think he's absolutely right a man's greatest credentials um is the laughter at his

00:51:15.480 family dinner table do your kids love you right does your wife love you do the people who actually

00:51:21.360 know you who really know who work for you your duty to them as their boss as the president

00:51:26.120 right like my whole life by in this all the grace of god it's not me but by the grace of god

00:51:30.840 my whole life has been um look nathan nathan you can vouch for that my whole life has been

00:51:37.480 being underpaid because i keep giving other people too much money

00:51:41.360 that that's pretty much my entire life um i'm like hey you know what i want to take care of you

00:51:49.200 hey i want to want to take care of you um like right now i'm actively thinking like can i can

00:51:55.080 i take half of my salary with the church so that we can pay other elders to shepherd the sheep

00:52:00.260 more thoroughly uh that's that's just how i think from what i hear that is not how jeremy boring

00:52:07.640 thinks dominique any thoughts you know something as far as his likability or favorability goes i

00:52:14.720 just want to remind people like it's not like there's some isolated incident like just a few

00:52:18.500 weeks ago people decided jeremy boring's a bad guy i mean you remember as far back as the whole

00:52:23.140 stephen crowder thing he had very terrible things to say about jeremy boring and the entire company

00:52:28.560 And he was not tied to an NDA.

00:52:31.140 And then, of course, you see the whole thing with Candace Owens.

00:52:34.160 And yes, that was mostly Ben Shapiro.

00:52:36.000 But the weirdest thing about it all was that like forced episode that Jeremy did with Brett

00:52:42.160 Cooper whenever she exited the company.

00:52:45.160 And it was like weirdly edited, very strange.

00:52:48.860 Oh, we have whatever her producer's name replacing Brett.

00:52:52.900 and it was just so awkward to where you know the examples that were that we're discussing as far

00:52:58.900 as this guy being outwardly unlikable i mean they are well documented and so at this point i'm not

00:53:05.800 too sure that we even need to throw things like allegedly around i think the guy's quite difficult

00:53:10.280 to work with and he's just straight up unlikable so um as far as the stuff with you though joel

00:53:15.980 i think this whole shift that we're speaking about um as far as at least in the political

00:53:21.800 right-wing media sphere i think that voices like yours who sort of espouse the sense of

00:53:27.820 authenticity and just being unafraid this is the direction that we're going and actually to go back

00:53:33.940 to something that west said at the beginning of the show he was saying that he was thinking that

00:53:39.300 perhaps matt walsh's uh time at the daily wire remaining time could be measured in days and yeah

00:53:45.380 i think something's very interesting if i don't know if you guys have noticed but his content

00:53:50.740 has intensified in its nature quite a bit even the quote tweet that you were talking about of

00:53:57.720 your own Joel I mean he would not say something like that even even like a month or two ago

00:54:03.420 so I think if there's any sign that's very indicative of the fact that the Daily Wire

00:54:07.400 is experiencing certainly some kind of trouble you can it's very evident in in Matt Walsh's

00:54:12.560 recent transformation which I love I love it I think he's a very talented guy I'm here for it

00:54:17.700 he he's very talented and talk about in terms of likability it's ironic you know because he's his

00:54:24.100 whole stick is kind of like the dry humor i never smile i never yeah exactly but that's actually

00:54:28.860 really likable yeah matt walsh i think like his whole 10 minute spiel like i don't even tune into

00:54:34.760 matt walsh for politics i will occasionally watch a clip like so like when i'm thinking i want to i

00:54:40.080 want to watch some matt walsh i want to hear about this uh this uh waffles yeah who he's canceling

00:54:46.580 right he's canceling his wife yes because of waffles the goat and so like literally like so

00:54:52.420 it's like all of his you know political commentary cultural commentary i'm like ah you know i i got

00:54:57.420 better guys you know like who you know they'll be a little bit a little bit you know harder in the

00:55:02.180 paint you know but um but matt walsh is actually ironically super likable so like i just want to

00:55:07.960 hear like his his 10 minute shtick about how they adopted this goat and how he you know his wife

00:55:13.340 adopted it against his will and now all of a sudden he has two ghosts he's like i know i have

00:55:16.640 a beard you know all of a sudden they think i'm noah you know and that two by two every animal

00:55:20.820 am i racist was hilarious it wasn't informative as in like i learned so much it was yeah

00:55:25.400 would have been informed i think that movie was not like like i'm gonna go learn about you know

00:55:30.760 race and what christians thought about it and it didn't even necessarily push the ball down the

00:55:35.680 court in terms of like what is an american and that ethnicity actually does have something to

00:55:40.880 play like you can't just take 500 Haitians and drop them off in a small town in Ohio and call

00:55:45.680 them American in 15 minutes like it you know it takes time and and he none of it was academic

00:55:50.560 none of it was pushing the ball down the court in that regard you know answering some of the

00:55:53.980 serious questions but it was just good entertainment he he actually is likable he's got he's got a

00:55:59.200 brand and and it's not just a brand it's him it's authentic it's real it's Matt and and people love

00:56:05.760 it i love it and so but but that said you know so yeah he's he's he's coming out he's being a little

00:56:11.360 bit more forceful being a little bit more bold uh but it's funny anytime somebody points it out i

00:56:16.600 don't know if you guys have noticed it on x but he's kind of defensive about he's like i've always

00:56:20.020 said this you know i've always like no this isn't this isn't a recent development like i've always

00:56:24.580 been based i've always you know and here's the thing i think that's true in mass defense um i

00:56:29.640 think that's true but i think it's been a while i think both two things can be true at once i don't

00:56:34.460 think it's the first time that matt has said these kinds of things like nobody should have

00:56:37.680 dual citizenship and then immediately you know in the comment section people are like that includes

00:56:41.880 israel matt and and then matt you know like pipes back right away and says yes did i stutter yeah

00:56:47.520 it does include israel and people are like first time i'm hearing you say this matt and he's like

00:56:51.240 i've said this before he said that he wrote that in 2013 exactly and that's my point so i think

00:56:55.700 so how can you resolve these two things i i don't think matt's lying i think he has said these things

00:57:00.440 before but i think he hasn't said them in a while that's what i so i do think before i don't know

00:57:05.760 joining the daily before joining the daily wire exactly so that's that's my point is like i don't

00:57:10.560 think that matt is all of a sudden just seeing the writing on the wall and he's and it's inauthentic

00:57:15.040 and i'm going to be more based because i'm realizing you know that the moderate centrists

00:57:18.600 like joel webbin you know like are passing away you know and i've got to make a name for myself

00:57:23.200 and so i got to go a little bit harder um no i i actually don't i don't think it's inauthentic i

00:57:28.180 think it is true to who matt really is but but it's a side of matt that is matt but has been

00:57:35.080 kind of put on pause so i don't think it's like all of a sudden he's he's more based i i think he

00:57:40.700 has been that way but but i think he did suppress a couple a couple topics for a while and now he's

00:57:47.580 like no i'm just going to go for it well just because i i i do not like to speculate and so

00:57:53.280 So the charitable read on that would be we were fighting some pretty big dragons for those couple of years, too.

00:58:00.220 Yep.

00:58:00.380 Like, no one was really even thinking about whether we need to be talking about—very few people were.

00:58:05.440 The people that were way ahead of the curve were talking about whether we are overly connected to Israel in everything.

00:58:12.880 But there were some legitimate things that were taking a lot of someone like Matt Walsh's time and effort.

00:58:20.340 You're right. Transgenderism was— 0.71

00:58:21.280 There's a charitable thing besides – because that also casts him in a light where it kind of besmirches him a little bit to say, well, even if you knew that, you were selling out a little bit, right?

00:58:32.800 And maybe he was and maybe he wasn't.

00:58:34.780 We don't know.

00:58:36.000 Yeah, I can't say that.

00:58:37.200 You're right.

00:58:37.700 We should be careful.

00:58:38.460 I can't say that.

00:58:39.800 I don't know.

00:58:41.100 So you're right.

00:58:41.760 That's helpful.

00:58:42.220 the most charitable approach would be um 2019 2020 2021 that he was he was going hard on some

00:58:51.440 issues that at that moment um were formidable they like at that moment dei looked like it was 0.80

00:58:59.880 going to win the day right transgenderism looked like it was going to win the day and so it's 0.68

00:59:04.920 perfectly acceptable for him to say you know what i'm going to go hard on these issues nobody has 0.94

00:59:10.240 to like we we have to keep nobody um has a moral obligation to be prolific nobody has to be an

00:59:16.140 expert in and everything it is perfectly acceptable like there's some youtube channels where it's like

00:59:20.720 the guy just talks about one thing over and over and over again and sometimes he'll get flack and

00:59:24.540 people be like why don't you talk about this and it's like well that's that's not what i do and

00:59:28.060 that's okay it's okay to to i'm gonna make you know two or three things my bread and butter and

00:59:33.760 i'm just gonna go hard on these things and so that is the most charitable take and i'm happy to to

00:59:38.960 give that charity to matt and say um that it wasn't just you know in a back room he's you know

00:59:44.520 he got the call from from you know ben shapiro um you know best best most charitable take that we

00:59:50.260 can say is that um in 2020 2021 like we were in woke wars one and in woke wars one the most

00:59:57.500 pressing issue was um was are we are we ever going to hire white people again and are all of our 0.98

01:00:05.240 planes going to be uh flown by by female black lesbians who aren't qualified and is everyone 0.98

01:00:12.780 going to die like that was a real question in 2021 you know and and we're seeing the fruit of 0.98

01:00:17.640 it now but but a lot of that battle you know there's still the implications rolling out you

01:00:21.940 know with you know but a lot of the battle has been won praise god and so maybe we could say

01:00:27.340 you know that that was the focus and now he's able to focus on other things all right so let's

01:00:31.380 what i want to do is go ahead ask dominique what do you see as what to look for next for the daily

01:00:37.060 wire now let's let's talk daily wire but let's talk broader than that let's talk like for

01:00:41.760 ourselves let's talk for dominique but let's just talk like moving into the future um what what is

01:00:48.540 going what's who's going to make it and what's going to be what what is the quintessential

01:00:53.780 you you've got to you know what's the dividing line what what what is going to make it or break

01:00:58.820 it for media as we move into the future so as far as what i anticipate um as far as the daily

01:01:09.320 wire is concerned i think that there are a lot of interests that want to keep a daily wire around

01:01:15.720 you can assume what interests those might be but it is it is a fairly large company with a fairly

01:01:21.740 large reputation it would be a very big public loss for them to go down and it'd be very visible

01:01:28.520 for people so i don't think that they're going to go fully belly up i think there likely could

01:01:33.020 be some significant company restructuring because it does appear evident that they had some some

01:01:38.060 very poor financial decisions being made i think that matt walsh is going to leave the daily wire

01:01:44.740 before the end of the summer and the reason why is because i think that he senses the direction

01:01:50.600 that the wind is blowing i think that the main separators as far as conservative commentary are

01:01:57.120 concerned are people that still actually speak and uphold uh conservative christian values people

01:02:03.060 that actually talk about christianity people that actually talk about things like race people that

01:02:07.880 actually talk about things like israel and i do understand that oftentimes you know you see

01:02:13.280 especially like the trump administration they discourage every single conversation about that

01:02:18.220 when's the last time you've heard any of these major figures speak about um like the assault on

01:02:23.700 white people going across the entire world you know places like london were 90 percent white in

01:02:28.820 1970 now it's 35 even america you know in 1950 we were 89.5 percent white today it's something like

01:02:36.080 59 so you used to hear those sort of talking points prior to trump winning the election now

01:02:42.440 you're not hearing him at all because everyone's just saying oh if you're too far if you're hitting

01:02:46.420 us from the right you're not part of the team and we're going to try to ostracize you so i think

01:02:50.500 ultimately matt is going to be guided by truth and justice i think he made some money for a while

01:02:55.600 i think maybe he decided to not uh emphasize certain points for quite some time i think he's

01:03:02.880 a good man though and i think that ultimately you know the statement the truth will set you free

01:03:06.820 i think he's due for a for a healthy scoop of freedom here soon that's my prediction

01:03:11.080 yep do you have a background in law and bankruptcy just to be able to kind of explain when a company

01:03:16.580 files chapter 11, what kind of actually goes on, the way they cut departments, the way they move

01:03:22.420 things around, new owners could come in. Are you able to explain that? I don't want to put you on

01:03:25.960 the spot if you'd be forced to speculate. No, no. So I don't have a legal background,

01:03:29.560 but funny enough, I actually do have some experience with bankruptcy, not me personally,

01:03:33.720 but for anybody that knows me out there, I actually got into sort of the political media

01:03:38.720 sphere, if you will, through a close personal friend of mine by the name of Owen Schroyer.

01:03:43.000 And he works for no one, none other than Mr. Alex Jones, who has gone through perhaps one of the largest bankruptcy cases almost in history.

01:03:52.440 He was he was sued for something to the tune of one point four trillion dollars.

01:03:57.300 And so his company, in order to kind of keep his house, keep his car, keep, you know, his sort of personal life sustainable,

01:04:06.020 he tried to file bankruptcy for InfoWars, which is owned by a company called Free Speech Systems, LLC.

01:04:13.980 And so what I can tell people is that the bankruptcy process is extremely complicated.

01:04:21.460 It's not really something that someone that's not a lawyer should be going to the weeds on.

01:04:25.920 So I will just say that just because someone hired a bankruptcy attorney doesn't necessarily mean that they're filing for bankruptcy.

01:04:34.240 it may mean that they just need to do such significant restructuring to their company

01:04:39.620 that there wouldn't be really no one else more qualified to do that than an attorney that does

01:04:43.660 that so that's just a little bit of what i think about it it could be uh we're hiring you because

01:04:48.920 we're trying to avoid going to bankruptcy and what do we need to do preemptively what would

01:04:53.480 you know what would be the tipping point where we're no longer able to pull it back from the edge

01:04:57.900 right yeah it could be a flag for help too as well like a filing bankruptcy is not a

01:05:03.040 like red lobster every red lobster in the united states shuts down tomorrow right rather we're

01:05:07.300 declaring that we're in distress we're looking for buyers we're looking for investors we have a lot

01:05:12.000 of exciting things so just because you hire an attorney and even if you declare chapter 11

01:05:16.420 that doesn't mean the next day they're coming in they're moving out of the office it rather means

01:05:20.560 some things could significantly change but practically speaking what that does mean is

01:05:24.780 that you have the biggest conservative media company in the united states looking at a very

01:05:30.480 questionable shaky future at the very least maybe not if they will exist but what in what form they

01:05:36.360 will exist right yeah and it's important for the audience to know too that there's a big difference

01:05:40.200 between chapter 7 bankruptcy and chapter 11 bankruptcy uh i believe the latter is restructuring

01:05:46.160 with the intention of meaning a business so if there was anything going on at the daily wire

01:05:50.900 i don't think it has anything to do with them potentially closing but i do and i mean honestly

01:05:56.140 guys how long can they really continue to exist if they um continuously put out these talking

01:06:04.640 points that are are very evidently so unpopular with the viewers i mean it's they're dropping

01:06:10.660 like flies and i just don't know how much longer they can kind of keep up this facade of no we're

01:06:16.660 doing fine and no everything's good and just to also put something in perspective you know these

01:06:21.840 reports that came out over the weekend he ben did the interview with megan kelly saying they were

01:06:26.900 fine that was six seven days ago so that was actually before any of this stuff came out we

01:06:32.420 already know there has been issues confirmed by people leaving especially jeremy boring so

01:06:37.400 i just think they're kind of doing this tightrope act and you know this isn't just my opinion but i

01:06:43.840 think they're lying and i think the audience senses that they're lying and i just am not too

01:06:48.280 sure what the future is in media for people that so clearly seem to be aligned with a particular

01:06:54.040 agenda so let me ask you this um what what do you think the future is so now getting beyond the daily

01:07:01.240 wire um what do you think the future because right now it feels like the left like the hard left

01:07:08.660 you know transgenderism and you know well you know all you know whatever kamala that that kind

01:07:15.620 of that platform was handedly defeated obviously there's still some raging leftists who are never

01:07:20.920 going to put the woke away and who are going to double down um and praise god for it you know

01:07:25.780 that's great you know that just makes our job easier um but it does seem like you know some

01:07:31.660 people have you know seen the light and are kind of you know moving towards the center you know

01:07:36.960 gavin newsom trying to you know rebrand himself with charlie kirk you know those kinds of things

01:07:41.520 and it seems like MAGA has won so handedly that it's it's almost like I feel like you know the

01:07:50.660 battle now is not going to be so much MAGA versus the left but internally on the right you know

01:07:59.060 and it's not just that MAGA defeated the left the hard left but it seems like MAGA may have

01:08:04.580 defeated your you know your your bushes you know and and and romney's like even you know

01:08:11.360 and cheney neocons yeah the the neocons might have gotten beaten the worst out of everybody

01:08:17.220 um it seems like that like they may be done forever you know and and so my point is um you

01:08:23.200 kind of had two parties you know the the left and the neocons maga came in and just just crushed

01:08:29.120 both of them and uh but we i don't think we're going to be moving away from the two-party system

01:08:34.240 anytime soon and taking politics out of it but in terms of media and and and what we're trying

01:08:40.320 to do and others what do you think what do you think the future holds like do you think do you

01:08:46.240 think it's what i'm saying like decentralized you know just a bunch of you know small contributors

01:08:50.420 um could anybody rise to the top in this environment again or are the major players

01:08:56.440 already set right is it just going to be you know you've got some of your legacy guys who arrived

01:09:01.340 20 years ago you know look with notoriety like tucker you know and and they'll continue to have

01:09:06.660 that status you know and until their careers you know um you know until they retire and and you

01:09:13.520 know or do you think can any can something like the daily wire ever happen again are the conditions

01:09:19.680 even there do they even exist to where you know somebody could build something further right and

01:09:26.540 and attain that kind of influence or is it just going to be a lot of little guys

01:09:31.540 so my perspective is that first of all i want to preface this by saying that it's fantastic

01:09:39.380 that the far left some of these crazy ideologies that we all are so wholeheartedly against it's

01:09:46.400 terrific that they're on their heels and it appears that they've lost that that war and that

01:09:51.020 hopefully it's it's eliminated from our society but this is unfortunate and again i voted for

01:09:56.080 trump three times i consider myself to be conservative but you said this the other day

01:09:59.860 joel with conservatives like these who needs liberals the art art movement if you will the

01:10:06.280 mag of movement effectively and most noticeably after the july assassination attempt on donald

01:10:13.620 trump when elon musk threw his hat in the arena with this crazy amount of money by virtue of doing

01:10:21.720 that and also by by purchasing x and essentially turning it into uh i mean let's be honest people

01:10:28.460 are paid on x to give their opinions elon musk is very closely and openly associated with donald

01:10:33.860 trump he owns this platform so that effectively almost makes it paid political propaganda

01:10:39.660 considering that you're literally paid to do it and the things that are trending and the most

01:10:43.920 popular are typically pro elon pro trump material but i think what's happened is the maga movement

01:10:50.200 which was based in nationalistic pro-native populist sentiments has effectively been dragged

01:10:57.260 to the left really to the center left because any of these things that that conservatives are

01:11:03.700 supposed to be standing for things like uh just just overall degeneracy like we saw this whole

01:11:09.300 thing this alleged incident with robert f kennedy jr you know some of these sexual misgivings and

01:11:15.060 things of that nature and what were what was the response you started to see you started seeing

01:11:19.840 people say things like oh who cares i don't care how many women he slept with i don't care if he's

01:11:24.420 disrespected his wife and his family and you know his wife uh committed suicide and apparently the

01:11:30.840 reason was due to his infidelity and this was back i believe in the early 90s or late 80s so

01:11:35.500 the point is though is yes i think that we have forgotten what being conservative in america really

01:11:42.260 is and that is not uh being aligned with these huge corporations or elon musk or any of that

01:11:48.780 And another sign that things have so drastically changed is you just look who is in attendance of the inauguration.

01:11:54.600 You've got guys like Sam Altman, guy that participates in surrogacy and homosexual, all that stuff.

01:11:59.940 You've got Elon Musk. You've got Jeff Bezos. You've got Bill Gates.

01:12:03.560 You've got all of these entities that the Trump sphere swore legioncy to fight against.

01:12:11.560 And now you see all these people are lining up to cozy up to the administration.

01:12:15.960 So I think that you're seeing the right be co-opted by this new force and how that relates to media.

01:12:24.060 I think the people that have the courage, that have the intellect, that have the ording ability to actually effectively combat this sort of new deep state, if you will.

01:12:36.040 I think those are the people that are going to be very successful in this new hyper competitive media landscape.

01:12:40.980 and i think you're actually seeing that um today in the shift in popularity of some of these major

01:12:46.420 figures and i also do think that is why a guy like matt walsh um is sort of sensing the direction the

01:12:51.720 wind is blowing and starting to intensify some of his talking points yeah well said michael west

01:12:58.080 any thoughts i was just gonna say i can think too some of the things the daily wire has done

01:13:02.460 you talked about these are our conservatives i mean his ad for jeremy razors right had

01:13:07.240 inappropriately dressed women the movie that they produced run fight hide had like explicit nudity

01:13:12.520 was full of f-words like that's it we're getting back to based conservative content right and it's

01:13:17.840 the same slop with just right like what what even are we doing different exactly to your point

01:13:23.800 dominique it has we have to wipe the slate of that we have to say we no not like this not pretending

01:13:30.620 to look exactly like the world look exactly like the stuff hollywood's produced we've got to put

01:13:35.140 all of that away and what you're going to lead with i had a good friend he said uh the second

01:13:39.600 you hear someone talking like daily wire did we're coming for disney he's like your level of hubris

01:13:44.680 is off the charts you're not going to be making feature films right out of the gate right you're

01:13:49.380 going to be doing things like this you're going to be talking you're going to be building probably

01:13:53.640 a local community extending and building a network you do those hard things first as the foundation

01:13:58.680 and then you build up and you prove yourself in many ways so from the foundation of it christian

01:14:04.680 principles from the foundation of it moral principles from the foundation of it virtues

01:14:09.080 if you don't you'll have a base that's narrow jesus speaks of this a sand and you'll get there 0.91

01:14:14.420 and you're doing advertisements like jeremy boring where you're surrounded by scantily clad women 1.00

01:14:19.140 like wait a second what's we build all of this to do and not a surprise he took a billion dollar

01:14:24.360 company and it's very possible that his ego destroyed it as a warning to men he defied the

01:14:29.500 odds he built something of generational wealth and in less than 10 years he probably also destroyed

01:14:34.940 it yeah it's really tricky because like even you mentioning disney there at west in some ways the

01:14:41.820 reason that disney became what it became was exactly what we talked about earlier in the

01:14:46.680 episode which was they were early adopters to a new technology and so it really does present a

01:14:53.240 very difficult problem that we have to think through in that the established fortunes and

01:15:00.580 companies that are so very strong and powerful, I mean, Jeff Bezos is not just going to roll over

01:15:06.560 and become irrelevant, right? Bill Gates is not going to do that either. And it is a real big

01:15:12.060 thing that we have to think about as true conservatives. Let's give the benefit of the

01:15:18.000 of the doubt to the maga movement and say they wanted to do some real good and push in this

01:15:22.860 populist direction like you're talking about dominique what what do we do when the rich and

01:15:28.880 powerful who were the early adopters at one point i mean that like there are so many people and

01:15:33.560 companies who are what they are because their grandfather found oil under his property right

01:15:39.060 and then built a company and that became a steel company and it is incredibly difficult to build

01:15:46.040 something of that scale just from scratch. And now that there are companies and people of that

01:15:53.160 scale, of course, they're going to flock to the power, right? Their vested interest is to be close

01:15:59.900 to power so they can continue to be lucrative and financially profitable and expand and grow

01:16:06.460 and increase. And so in some ways, like we bemoan the fact that Bezos and all those others were

01:16:15.640 there at the inauguration gates were there at the inauguration on the other hand though like

01:16:20.640 that obviously was going to happen of course they are yes yes of course they are yeah and you have

01:16:26.840 to be impervious um to that temptation right like that's and that's just that's the christian life

01:16:33.500 for all of us is like as the lord exalts whoever he sees fit to exalt which typically biblically

01:16:41.240 speaking is the humble the lord exalts the humble but having been exalted there's always the

01:16:47.040 temptation that you can remain small in your own eyes or you can begin to believe your own press

01:16:52.420 right that's what happened with saul right samuel says you were once small in your own eyes right

01:16:57.360 when when samuel was looking to anoint him as king he couldn't even find him you know he was

01:17:02.400 hidden away in this and and not because of some insecurity complex like saul even his physical

01:17:08.660 stature he was head and shoulders the bible says above everyone else right you know like um which

01:17:13.900 for the record getting into the nephilim and giants for just a second that's part of the

01:17:17.660 reason why goliath was a legit giant this is not a six foot nine person this is at least 10 feet

01:17:23.620 tall uh because if he was six foot nine then saul would have been about his height so anyways but

01:17:29.000 the point is like saul is um he's an adonis he's he's looks like thor you know what i mean like

01:17:36.100 he's tall he's strong he's strapping he's courageous all these kinds of things but um but

01:17:42.000 eventually along the way as everybody rallies to him like what do you do when all of a sudden

01:17:47.520 there's a king in israel you know like well you you play nice you know and you come and you massage

01:17:53.380 his ego and all these kinds of things and eventually saul believes his own press and he

01:17:58.840 becomes full of himself and he starts making executive decisions he begins to compromise

01:18:03.580 the clear word of the Lord spoken through the prophet Samuel and eventually the kingdom is

01:18:09.000 torn away from him. He loses the kingdom and God has done that and God can do that and God will do

01:18:17.020 that again and again and again. And it's so important. You have to seize power, right? So

01:18:23.640 for the longest time, Christians have just been, especially evangelicals, have been weak and 1.00

01:18:27.720 pathetic and and it basically demonized anything that's that would remotely fall into the realm of 0.99

01:18:34.300 masculinity ambition especially so um ambition has only been spoken of as though it were 0.98

01:18:40.600 a vice you know ambition watch out for ambition you don't want to have ambition you're like

01:18:44.900 and then at the end it's so frustrating because in the same pastor who's demonizing ambition in

01:18:50.560 every young man will turn around on father's day and and then you know begin to condemn every single

01:18:56.700 father in the room for for being apathetic but you just told me the other 51 weeks of the year

01:19:02.500 not to be ambitious like what do you want and so ambition is good power is not inherently evil or

01:19:07.880 or or right power is a tool just like everything else hammers are great but but you can use a

01:19:13.880 hammer to build a house or you can use it to bash in a man's skull you know it depends on

01:19:17.720 on its utility how how are you going to use it and so too it is with masculinity and in particular

01:19:23.500 ambition and so we need ambitious men we need masculine men courageous men the problem though

01:19:30.220 is it when you when you find the crown that's lying in the gutter and you decide to pick it up

01:19:34.620 and put it on your head um then you are going to be faced with certain temptations um that otherwise

01:19:42.940 you you want to be faced with and ambitious men uh will have you know david we always think about

01:19:49.260 about you know david's mighty men it's like it said everybody who was downcast and trodden and

01:19:53.400 those who were in debt you know and all they all rallied to david um well i i you know it's a little

01:19:59.500 bit implicit it's not explicit in the text but i don't think it's far-fetched to assume i wonder

01:20:04.000 if there were any bad characters who also rallied to david right they knew that he was the guy that

01:20:09.900 he was up and coming he's going to be the new thing i wonder if if there were some some some

01:20:14.640 bad faith characters that also rallied to david and we're like hey man we want to be in your

01:20:19.520 inner sanctum we want to be you know when you come into your kingship we can see it's written in the

01:20:23.680 stars it's gonna happen and you know and and so we're trying to you know to make alliances now

01:20:28.560 like there are probably some guys that david you know that david needed to shape up and and

01:20:35.520 sanctify and and equip and teach and and train and there were probably some other guys that david

01:20:42.280 need to say get lost right um and that's just inevitable like when god exalts someone he exalts

01:20:48.600 them because of their authenticity because of their humility because of their honesty their

01:20:53.960 integrity their courage their ambition all these things um but as god exalts someone's profile

01:21:00.660 they will inevitably come to face temptations that most men you know could only dream of

01:21:07.640 they will have opportunity after opportunity to sell out and to compromise. And it's a lesson

01:21:14.980 for all of us. If the Lord would see fit to increase our views, to increase our influence,

01:21:23.620 those kinds of things, you better get right with God now. It's far easier to make vows with the

01:21:31.920 lord to set in accountability internally all those kinds of things uh when you're small it's a lot

01:21:38.020 harder to do that when you're big let's go to our last commercial uh break and then when we come back

01:21:42.780 uh we want to deal with we've got a lot of super chats we want to honor those and uh and anybody

01:21:48.000 who has questions for us go ahead and put your questions in the chat right now because nathan's

01:21:51.680 going to start bifurcating them so make it clear say question you know um and then and then put

01:21:56.440 your question there and we'll get to as many of them as we can when we come back from the break

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01:24:14.820 all right uh so we've got some super chats and questions but before we get into them uh dominique

01:24:20.640 two two things one i want to uh give you a chance if you have any final thoughts on our topic for

01:24:26.700 today the daily wire and then secondly do you want to stick around for the questions some of

01:24:30.680 them relate to our topic and then some of them are theological but you you may be interested and

01:24:35.300 we're happy to have you typically basically at this point in the show we've got i'd say we've

01:24:39.720 got another half hour do you want to stick around with us or you want to give some final thoughts

01:24:43.000 on the daily wire and and log off i'll absolutely stick around i'll give some final thoughts if you

01:24:48.600 don't mind go for it i think that daily wire is ultimately going to go in the direction that

01:24:55.260 society goes and i think it's one of two ways i think that uh gentlemen like us are either going

01:25:00.980 to become significantly significantly more popular because people will understand that

01:25:06.160 we actually are telling the truth we actually well at least especially in your case trying to

01:25:11.460 you know, you're, you're trying to guide people ultimately to God and to maintain those Christian

01:25:15.860 principles that have been so valuable to maintaining this country and in keeping it

01:25:20.500 going, you know, how it is today. And I, I ultimately think that either that's going to

01:25:25.580 happen and we are going to experience sort of like a second awakening and a victory in woke

01:25:32.640 war two, we'll call it, or, and this is unfortunate, but, and this is kind of what I'm sensing.

01:25:38.480 or you're going to see some of the biggest censorship laws passed down that you've really

01:25:45.680 ever, ever encountered. And something I find a little bit troubling is I definitely am a big

01:25:52.780 fan of some of the freedom of speech and things on X for certain, but I'm worried that they may

01:25:58.460 actually, because it's very clear that the conversation has changed, especially regarding

01:26:03.440 things like israel which daily wire is you know they're they're known for their affiliation but i

01:26:08.540 think that they may use some of this online um rhetoric to actually justify some of these types

01:26:17.640 of censorship laws i think they're interested in passing down and with the creation of these task

01:26:22.460 force uh with the sole goal of eliminating anti-semitism with the deportations of these

01:26:28.260 students that you're seeing uh i think it's kind of pretty evident that that is something that this

01:26:34.800 administration is is really interested in and if it ends up that um that that's true i think someone

01:26:42.140 like daily wow daily wire will flourish simply because they're giving uh they're they're playing

01:26:47.880 in a very advantageous sandbox if you will so i think you're going to see total victory total

01:26:54.480 america first total christian victory on our behalf or i think you're going to see um draconian

01:27:00.120 censorship laws get passed down and you know using ai to scan people's content and actually

01:27:06.640 you're seeing that even today with the program that the state department just released

01:27:11.000 it's called what is it catch and revoke and they're speaking about uh finding these people

01:27:17.160 that are putting anti-semitic talking points into you know whether it's on campus or whether

01:27:23.060 it's in social media and ultimately you know revoking their visas so if they can do that

01:27:27.640 to some of these foreigners who i don't want them to be here anyways but still if they can do that

01:27:33.040 to them they can ultimately use the same apparatus to do it to us and if anyone's old enough to know 1.00

01:27:37.900 about the patriot act that's exactly what they did they they put it all around you know islamic 0.78

01:27:42.740 fear-mongering and and terrorist attack on 9-11 and then it really ended up being um something

01:27:48.700 that that really went against the the freedom of normal american citizens so i think that's kind of

01:27:54.080 what i think is going to happen guys well said um so to sum that up that because that was incredibly

01:27:58.980 insightful and i'm going to give you guys some very practical pastoral advice some counsel

01:28:05.860 application here what dominique just said what that means in a practical sense is um go for the

01:28:12.960 gold. Be courageous. Be bold. Preach Christ unashamedly. Stand for America first, Americans

01:28:20.640 first, and buy Palantir stock as a black pill hedge. That's basically what Dominique just said.

01:28:27.000 Basically.

01:28:28.940 Right? So let's go for bust. The Lord is with us. He can win by many or few. And we want to

01:28:36.520 be filled with faith. But if you also want to have a hedge, never hurts, you know. All I heard

01:28:42.500 you saying the whole time you're talking was peter thiel that's right so uh straight up ai

01:28:48.220 technology that can scan your face to where if you have an alias or anything like that all of a sudden

01:28:54.860 boom they've got your license they've got you pegged and um and all of a sudden you're doing

01:29:01.140 uh you're paying fines or you're being you know blacklisted you can't go on flights uh because

01:29:07.240 because you said something critical about our greatest ally and uh that is like we just we do

01:29:13.240 need to be aware i voted for trump i don't i i i'm working towards the repealing of the 19th

01:29:19.180 amendment and i brought my wife to vote for trump right i'm not an ideologue i want to win i'm gonna

01:29:23.880 you know like so you can have an ideal what you think you know by your conviction and yet um don't

01:29:28.760 let you know don't let the perfect be the enemy of the possible right politics is the realm of the

01:29:33.040 possible um we're trying to um we're trying to win okay so i voted for trump i'm glad he's elected

01:29:38.720 but we do need to be honest we do need to be honest um that we right if we think that all

01:29:45.880 right we've won it's over it's done you know like let's just go celebrate uh then we're being

01:29:51.580 foolish uh there are still um a lot of evils in the world and um and the maga party uh has

01:30:00.600 cozied up with many of them um whether it be abortion uh whether it be uh basically like 0.99

01:30:08.300 lesbian and gay and bi you just you know gays against groomers yeah exactly you know not not

01:30:13.400 not super friendly with the t but the lgb that's perfectly fine um certainly zionist trump is a

01:30:20.340 zionist we just have to acknowledge that um and and so all that being said like i knew all these

01:30:25.600 things going in you know and my church we talked about these things and we said well you know

01:30:30.280 um it's 2025 the year of our lord 2025 there's no viable non-zionist option right you just you 0.70

01:30:36.780 have to know where you are um and we we felt like trump was better and i stand by that i still i

01:30:42.100 think that that's better but if we pretend as though there are no threats that we're facing

01:30:45.840 today and that the battle is over then we are being foolish so well said dominique uh let's

01:30:50.660 go ahead here's our first super chat and this is really helpful t mart 23 23 five bucks from him

01:30:57.400 Thank you, T-Mart. Very generous. We appreciate that. He says, God bless the conference that's

01:31:03.260 coming up this week. Starts on Thursday. He said, God bless the conference and remember to beware

01:31:09.780 of agitators and false flags. Could be libs or feds. They would love to make the movement look

01:31:16.760 bad. He's absolutely right. If anybody who's coming to the conference and listening to me

01:31:21.840 right now within the sound of my voice um that that is not um hyperbolic that's not uh silly

01:31:28.280 that is that is true i i can say um for certain because i've already been contacted and i've

01:31:34.700 told them to pound sand in a christian way which is usually uh pound sand god bless

01:31:40.000 in christ in christ pound sand um but uh but i have been contacted already by a journalist and

01:31:47.420 i don't know what's worse fbi or journalists but uh um by a couple asking if they could come

01:31:53.140 and and very clearly on the left and asking for permission if they could come and have permission

01:31:58.700 to interview not just speakers but guests so if you're attending this conference you will be 0.99

01:32:05.280 likely approached by people asking you questions um don't be stupid right do not be foolish uh 1.00

01:32:13.460 it's a Christian conference. You have nothing to be ashamed of. We are going to be heralding 1.00

01:32:17.980 nothing extreme. We are just moderate centrists who are going to be heralding the Christian truths

01:32:24.500 that were believed by your grandparents and every other generation of all of human history.

01:32:30.060 But because we live in a world gone mad, there are people who think that that is extreme and who

01:32:36.760 would love for you to have a rough life. And so don't make it easy on them. There will be journalists

01:32:43.620 There could be some FBI agents. 0.79

01:32:45.660 I think that it would be naive and foolish to think that there won't be.

01:32:49.120 So be aware of that.

01:32:50.400 I was going to say, too, Nathan said, at the doors, IDs will be checked.

01:32:53.620 But if you have reason, you're in a job for some reason where your last name would be disinventageous,

01:32:58.500 show your ID or your name badge at the door.

01:33:01.060 But by all means, tuck it in if it's something that could endanger you.

01:33:03.520 Or even contact us and say, hey, could I get a Patrick P on there?

01:33:07.380 We're going to have security.

01:33:08.540 We've got guys.

01:33:10.520 We're going to have informal security, guys carrying.

01:33:12.880 But then we also have, you know, formal security.

01:33:15.500 We're going to have a couple of sheriffs that are going to be there and help keep us safe.

01:33:19.540 And so you will need to show your badge, not necessarily your driver's license.

01:33:23.300 But you'll come in, your register, show your badge at the door to get in.

01:33:26.360 But then, yes, Wes, that's a great practical piece of advice.

01:33:29.920 If you're in a line of work where attending our conference could get you into trouble, show your badge at the door and then tuck it in your pocket.

01:33:36.420 You don't have to wear your badge as you're going around.

01:33:38.760 We don't need to make it easy for the leftist.

01:33:41.400 these are people who hate christ and they hate you and they hate your kids and uh and they want

01:33:47.320 to ruin your life oh yeah and they will be there because um it's it's impossible uh to vet all of

01:33:53.000 them all right here's the next one this is chris it's actually two he's got two all right we'll

01:33:56.660 read them back to back chris tisking two fifty dollar super chats so a hundred bucks very

01:34:01.920 generous thank you chris we really appreciate it he says how do you deal with brothers and he puts

01:34:07.300 brothers in quotation marks here i appreciate that uh who call you a demon or satanic simply

01:34:13.420 for wanting cultural christianity i want christ in everything that's my politics that's everything

01:34:20.480 i've gotten a lot of pushback from daily wire fans on this he says dw i'm gonna i'm gonna say

01:34:27.800 daily wire here's the second half could be it could be a different dw um second half he says

01:34:35.060 my pastor is clearly peeved frustrated at me posting about Israel and Judaism in the church

01:34:43.560 slack so they've got a church slack line executive pastor is for it as long as it lines up with

01:34:50.940 positive fruits lead pastor hates it and some churchgoers are gossiping about me and my wife

01:34:58.460 what do I do now he added a comment too that was in a super chat that said his wife

01:35:03.640 wears a head covering but she's the only woman and she gets really derided for that behind the

01:35:08.180 scenes by the other women right god forbid that a woman uh cover her head i yeah but 1.00

01:35:13.700 i get i get mad about these kinds of things it's like they're transing kids and and your biggest

01:35:22.680 concern as a christian minister yeah is that uh that somebody's wife might have a conviction

01:35:29.660 to do what R.C. Sproul's wife currently still does. 0.91

01:35:35.320 Vesta Sproul still covers her head.

01:35:37.660 And so your big concern is 0.85

01:35:39.520 we might have an abusive, misogynist husband in our midst.

01:35:45.960 Meanwhile, like 90% of the parents in your church

01:35:51.240 are sending their kids to public school

01:35:52.780 to learn about transgenderism in the sixth grade. 0.51

01:35:57.780 like it's just it's laughable so all right so what do you guys let's go to dominique first and

01:36:02.940 then we'll go to west michael and i'll be quiet for a little bit what would you say he's saying

01:36:07.180 i've got guys who profess to be christians followers of christ brothers they're calling

01:36:11.660 me a demon and satanic because not i don't just want my church to be christian but i want cultural

01:36:17.980 christianity i want a christian country and and i'm even getting some flack from my pastor

01:36:23.260 What do you say, Dominic?

01:36:25.560 The first thing I'd say is that there's so many people that claim that they want to live in a strict Christian culture.

01:36:32.020 And as soon as anyone actually promotes that ideology, they immediately ostracize them and insult them and alienate them. 0.95

01:36:39.680 So I think that, first of all, that's ridiculous.

01:36:41.940 And I think that as long as this gentleman is telling the truth, he's not coming from a place of animosity. 0.82

01:36:46.680 He's not coming from a place of hatred, but he's just simply calling out what he believes to be the truth

01:36:51.680 and what ultimately is going to help people just be guided towards more reasonable decision-making

01:36:57.060 regarding some of these matters, I think he should continue to speak up.

01:37:00.140 I don't think that he should allow people to silence him or to make him feel guilty,

01:37:04.420 especially about the thing with his wife's head covering.

01:37:06.800 Look, like many of these people, if they could actually,

01:37:11.060 if they weren't so cowardice and worried about other people's opinions,

01:37:14.800 they'd likely be saying the same thing.

01:37:17.160 So just always remember what someone actually tells you,

01:37:19.900 especially in a public forum like a slack chat and what they actually think deeply and internally

01:37:25.560 they may often sometimes um contradict each other and so that's so true i actually give quite a bit

01:37:32.000 of credit to this gentleman for speaking up and i hope he continues to do so well said west michael

01:37:37.780 what do you think yeah i think that because this is a church where you are supposed to be

01:37:44.540 nourished and fed spiritually from the word and the elders are entrusted with taking watch over

01:37:50.220 your soul uh there is there's going to have to be times in each church over the next years and

01:37:57.920 decades maybe where members are willing to face some pressure from kind of the established

01:38:03.660 perspective on a variety of things um and so i think that sometimes we are called to

01:38:10.500 put our neck out there, and like Dominic says, to keep speaking respectfully, obviously not

01:38:15.380 sowing dissension, respectfully voicing your opinion, and presenting a biblical case for it.

01:38:22.520 On the other hand, institutions and a church, even a local, small local church is an institution,

01:38:29.560 it is very, very difficult to change directions on any institution once it's got momentum and

01:38:37.340 inertia behind it and so just being wise with at what point are you being helpful to your church

01:38:45.260 still submitting because even that can become a problem like like you start to resent your elders

01:38:50.020 rather than to esteem and submit to them um and so just being very careful of what what is going

01:38:55.980 on with that dynamic you if the church is set in its perspective the chances that you are going to

01:39:02.940 change it are are small right that's well said and so sometimes we have to voice just for the

01:39:11.680 sake of going through the biblical pattern of speaking to people individually not speaking

01:39:15.680 about them behind their back giving truth as long of a possibility to win the day but then also

01:39:20.740 realizing like it is an institution and the likelihood of you steering that rudder you don't

01:39:25.680 even have your hand on the rudder right so um it is possible that that would no longer be the church

01:39:31.140 for you after a period of time and um you know yeah i think that's probably the more likely

01:39:39.080 outcome i don't know the church and how long of a history you have with it if your family's been

01:39:43.320 there for four generations and you have a ton of credibility that might be a different story so

01:39:48.080 right yep that's one of the most common emails i get all the time is people asking you know how

01:39:52.660 do i reform my church how do i change my church and and i usually just you know email them back

01:39:57.000 and say, are you the lead preaching pastor? If you are, then I give you about a 50% chance of

01:40:03.280 being successful and changing your church as the lead pastor. If you are not the lead pastor,

01:40:07.400 I give you a 0% chance. And I think we always forget the Bible puts so much emphasis on unity

01:40:15.120 and peace. But we forget that one of the tools that the Lord has made available to us in keeping

01:40:21.680 the peace is going separate ways. Paul and Barnabas realized that the only way that they

01:40:27.300 could be at peace with one another was to bless one another to go and minister in separate portions

01:40:33.700 of the Lord's vineyard. And sadly, sometimes that's just what it is. And I think the Lord

01:40:39.200 honors that. I think the Lord honors a man who may be biblically right, but also realizes that

01:40:47.360 tearing down a church from the inside is not pleasing to the Lord and is willing to, he tries

01:40:53.780 a little bit, it becomes abundantly clear that it's not welcome. And so then he tries to hold

01:40:59.760 his peace and see if he can abide. But if it's too much for his conscience, then in order to be

01:41:05.840 in integrity to his own conscience before the Lord, but also to keep the peace with that church

01:41:12.620 and that community and honor those elders he chooses to leave leaving is actually um if it's

01:41:18.800 done well it's actually a very very honoring thing to do um a lot of pastors like i i think

01:41:25.640 sometimes pastors pastors are the worst you know sometimes a lot of times pastors they put their

01:41:30.820 their parishioners in between this rock and a hard place where like like all the time like we

01:41:35.180 have people who have left our church you know through certain controversies over like like

01:41:39.720 the last year you know um and and they're precious people i love them i have no ill will i have no

01:41:46.360 hard feelings and sometimes people in the church will come and and they'll talk to me and say like

01:41:50.140 why did so-and-so leave and i'll say well so-and-so you know reached out and they said

01:41:53.320 these were the reasons like i can't believe they did and i'm like dude like no no no change your

01:41:58.440 attitude that's that like they're allowed to leave a church and it shocks people sometimes

01:42:04.460 because they're like but joel you have so many convictions and they just assume that a man who

01:42:08.460 has a lot of convictions must necessarily be a tyrant they think that like if you have a lot of

01:42:14.340 opinions then you necessarily must be controlling no i can have a lot of opinions because i have a

01:42:20.040 book that god wrote for me and i know how to read and and so i can have a lot of opinions because

01:42:24.820 god has a lot of opinions and yet um that not translate into a tyrannical approach from the

01:42:31.360 pastorate in wielding you know authority and cracking debt like you must do that like everybody

01:42:36.160 knows i'm a head covering guy my wife and all my girls they wear head coverings do you think even

01:42:41.020 50 of our church wears head coverings the women no probably 40 no like and and i go around and uh

01:42:47.440 and i make your hand you hand them out on sunday morning like women are walking to the door and i'm

01:42:52.740 like doily you know just slam it you know like no like no we don't do that we don't do that and so

01:42:58.280 uh so my point is um to this young man if you have to leave and that is actually a peaceful option

01:43:04.800 to any pastor who's listening, let people leave is the point that I'm making. Let people leave

01:43:11.180 and don't disparage them. That person leaving, oftentimes they're actually doing you a courtesy

01:43:16.620 by not staying around and trying to change the church and disagreeing. They're realizing,

01:43:23.060 I profoundly disagree. I can't stay and I don't want to be divisive. So leaving is the only

01:43:28.020 option I have. Wes? Oh, the only thing I had to add was I think of Noah and then it's Nehemiah

01:43:33.380 or they're building and tons of people are mocking them you're building a wall you're trying to get

01:43:39.320 this going you're trying to build an ark what's the point and they do it for in this case their

01:43:43.620 children like when i think of building cultural christianity to be honest most of us probably

01:43:47.420 won't live in it right if we labor by god's grace we're even successful that's probably 10 20 years

01:43:51.940 down the roads so it's not even like i'm looking forward to enjoying the benefits of it but it's 0.99

01:43:56.020 for my children for my grandchildren so same thing with noah with the exiles that came back

01:44:01.060 they built and tons of people pelted rocks at them and mocked and laughed but they had kept their head

01:44:06.240 down they kept working because they said i know the thing that i'm building is going to be so

01:44:10.320 necessary it's going to be so protective it's going to be so helpful not even necessarily for

01:44:15.340 me because i'm not having to do the hard work of building it i mean noah spent 100 years building

01:44:19.360 that silly ark but he said i'm doing it because i know i'm convinced god's told me i have the word

01:44:25.320 assuring me that this labor is not in vain right amen dominique you sounded like you had one more 0.83

01:44:30.000 thing you wanted to add oh yeah i just wanted to say it's always important to keep in mind for this

01:44:34.680 for the person that asked the question that yeah you want to remain strong with your convictions

01:44:38.520 of course but if it comes to the point where you're i spoke about him getting alienated but

01:44:43.820 if you yourself are alienating you know people in your church your pastor your mother or father

01:44:48.420 your children whatever it is there are places and there are times for political battles and

01:44:54.320 things of that nature or extremely sharp opinions on certain uh subject matters and there are not

01:44:59.080 times for that so i just would tell him also you know don't ruin any relationships that you really

01:45:05.600 deeply i mean if it's something that's completely you know uh like it's someone's arguing for

01:45:11.120 transgenders or something like that sure you can go ahead and draw a line in the sand but if it's

01:45:16.360 just something where like the israel thing i get it and i really do but don't don't ruin your 0.99

01:45:21.660 lifelong relationships over because sometimes people tend to really really go hardcore so

01:45:26.280 just one of the remind him to be mindful that's all good point uh alex says this is anyone anti

01:45:33.480 israel on the blaze we were talking about the blaze earlier being you know in our assessment

01:45:37.780 less gatekeeping than daily wire he says glenn beck for instance is a mormon zionist the worst

01:45:44.800 combo he says in parentheses yeah not a great combo it's like i may be a mormon but have no

01:45:53.020 fear i'm also and i'm and i'm literally publicly requesting dual citizenship uh in israel remember

01:46:00.440 when he did that he wrote like some letter to uh bibby he did wait glenn beck did yes and it was

01:46:05.940 like you remember this dominique and he's like he's like publicly just just kissing bibby's you

01:46:12.660 know uh hindsight uh and and asking for uh like i would love i would be so honored by uh being given

01:46:20.520 honorary uh citizenship no am i am i making it up dominique no it's 100 i'll send you guys

01:46:26.840 after the show no or don't or don't or don't so he sends it's like thanks i hate it yeah

01:46:33.400 so i i don't know if any aren't aren't mcintyre is willing to say what i think anyone at a baseline

01:46:38.360 should be able to say which is our relationship to israel as far as it goes with military as far

01:46:42.440 as it goes with funding as far as it goes dual citizenship at apac is suspect anyone should be

01:46:47.400 able with two pairs of working eyes and i i think also jason whitlock has had some good like i think

01:46:53.000 nobody's going like hard in the paint you know and like you know you're not on the blaze yeah i'm not

01:46:58.060 on the blaze there are reasons you know but um oren and jason whitlock i think are two examples

01:47:03.460 who i have seen publicly criticize israel yep so cool okay next one uh this is jeff halfley i'm

01:47:09.980 going to just read a couple of them here because he's got a few uh so one is uh 9.99 10 bucks from

01:47:16.080 jeff thank you jeff uh he says taking a charitable take on evangelical aversion uh toward power

01:47:23.080 today's evangelical churches come out of denominations that have historically been

01:47:29.360 populated by relatively powerless demographics and he added a comment after that that said

01:47:35.360 a lot of the christian demographics that had political power have apostatized

01:47:40.980 i see so so you got i guess what he's saying is that you've got like yeah okay so he says here

01:47:47.840 here's a follow-up powerful people historically belong to denominations which have long since

01:47:52.960 become apostate i think he's right like a lot of we've talked about this a lot of the main

01:47:56.860 mainline protestant denominations that really did have power they're all raging leftist right you

01:48:02.300 know and have rainbow flags you know outside and then a lot of the other evangelical ones that are

01:48:07.820 more conservative and biblically faithful um it may not be necessarily that they actually have

01:48:13.280 a commitment against you know wielding power but they just historically have been marginalized and

01:48:17.740 didn't have it to begin with and i think that's probably true at at some level um it is frustrating

01:48:23.860 when people are like well why don't you uh why don't you build uh institutions why don't you do

01:48:28.620 this and say give me a minute give me a minute i'm working on it you know like it it actually

01:48:34.100 takes time you know like joel barry you know like um you know well everybody you know you're

01:48:39.440 criticizing the daily wire but i you know um you know wokeness only destroys whether it's not woke

01:48:44.760 left or woke right and all you guys on the woke right you're not building anything and um and i

01:48:49.420 like retweeted and i said i really appreciate this um in public endorsement from joel barry for new

01:48:54.480 christendom you know and and admitting that they're not woke you know because they actually

01:48:58.720 are building something but the point is it takes time what do you guys think any any thoughts

01:49:03.280 dominique you got something i just i think it's so ignorant that joel barry has the stones to go

01:49:10.180 and say oh just build something on your own that was exactly what like radical leftists would say 0.67

01:49:16.400 when they were censoring people during covid or in many other numerous instances they say oh it's

01:49:22.160 a private company we can do what we want and so it's just like you know i see some of joel not

01:49:26.700 not to go after him specifically but i see some of his behavior on on x and to me it's like you

01:49:32.280 know do you actually want to build a bridge do you actually want to be unified with fellow

01:49:36.760 christians despite this one disagreement you have or do you just continuously want to stir things up 0.77

01:49:42.500 and um you know essentially be a bad actor so i just think that it's just very hypocritical

01:49:48.960 and that's the main issue we're seeing you know with the super pro israel sectors of the right

01:49:55.200 wing and i just don't think they're able to escape that hypocrisy anymore so i think you know someone

01:50:00.180 like joel barry who claims to be conservative and you know have all these principles when it really

01:50:05.400 comes down to it are you really joel you know you don't seem free speech you don't seem to really

01:50:10.420 be pushing christian principles to me you seem to be a bad actor and i just think that um i think

01:50:15.440 they hate that the facade has been lifted and people like you guys are exposing them and so

01:50:22.080 i think it's going to be a long road for them because i think people have had enough yeah yeah

01:50:26.480 i think so too uh nathan real quick go back to the questions uh there was one that i want to

01:50:30.820 address uh so statistics man 24 for dominic for you dominic he said is that lord stanley's cup

01:50:36.740 behind dominic as a matter of fact my friend i'm actually in the lovely city of st louis missouri

01:50:44.160 and perhaps one of the greatest uh stanley cup runs ever so yes it is miniature miniature model

01:50:53.700 but yeah we do very nice uh dominic i grew up in south america in venezuela and uh my parents

01:50:59.860 were missionaries there and um i don't know what it was hockey must have been incredibly cheap

01:51:04.920 for venezuelan television commercials to license or television stations to license so we didn't

01:51:11.120 have nfl we didn't have baseball we didn't have any of that but we had hockey on all the time and

01:51:16.300 so i actually grew up watching a lot of hockey in venezuela wow there you go to be honest i'm not

01:51:22.060 even particularly that much i mean i still i like i like sports and things but let's be honest like

01:51:26.860 we've got much more critical matters happening here that's honestly that's true every now and

01:51:32.040 every now and again i'll you know take a gander but not not so much into it more just a decoration

01:51:37.020 but hey whatever makes people like the set we're happy to provide cool all right a couple more that

01:51:43.200 i want to hit from jeff halfley so each of these are two dollar super chats we appreciate you jeff

01:51:47.180 thank you seriously you jeff jeff is single-handedly jeff and bending just locked in

01:51:51.940 you know tweeted the other day like you know i want to know who's funding the woke right you

01:51:56.660 know or the new dissonant right or whatever well here you go it's jeff with his two dollar super

01:52:01.260 chats you know but you they stack up you get enough of them uh so he said this y'all see jd

01:52:06.080 so he's referring to jd hall his review of the uh fight for faith f4f debate so that's with um

01:52:13.920 chris roseborough rosenball i don't think there's an in i think it's just roseborough

01:52:18.660 or something yeah i think something like that roseborough uh he's a lutheran uh the debate

01:52:23.240 that he had with cory moller i did watch it um i don't really watch stone choir i've seen two

01:52:28.340 episodes that uh earlier on a couple men in the church asked me what i thought and i said um i

01:52:34.900 don't i'm not in the habit of telling grown men what to do right when it comes to listening if

01:52:38.740 a grown man in my church wanted to read mind cop i would say uh put your discernment cap on you

01:52:43.780 know and and be a christian about it but yeah you you're allowed to read a book and uh and so i

01:52:48.920 watched those two episodes and gave some thoughts um but for the most part i don't really tune in

01:52:54.120 but a debate something like that really is interesting and and i just wanted to know just

01:52:58.360 even for what's going on in the reformed world and you know what's going to come next uh that

01:53:03.680 was something that i i i without any qualms or any apology whatsoever i think every every christian

01:53:09.020 should probably tune in um because it really did i think a decent job in highlighting the

01:53:14.660 differences and what people are so worried about and so yes um i watched it um my thoughts are

01:53:20.820 uh that if chris roseborough's um if his goal was to uh multiply cory mauler's uh influence

01:53:31.000 by 10 times and he nailed it i think he did a great job he locked in he locked in man like uh

01:53:36.120 if that's the goal now i've i've thought i was under the impression the reform world hated stone

01:53:41.000 choir um so it surprised me that that um you know that they were you know like intentionally working

01:53:47.340 towards building their prominence uh but that is that's what happened and um and it happened for

01:53:52.600 multiple reasons but at least one i'll cite one um chris roseborough was very clearly emotional

01:53:59.020 he was angry um he was uh i think deceitful in trying to trap cory like uh so my question i just

01:54:08.400 have one question for you why are you deliberately twisting the word of god and lying to all of your

01:54:11.940 listeners you know because uh they were talking about the curse of ham and cory was like i'm not

01:54:17.100 doing that i uh yes the bible says cursed be canaan but this is the position of martin luther

01:54:22.800 and then he goes on to quote luther it says the reason why um why it is a curse of ham but the

01:54:28.660 reason why noah says cursed be canaan is because ham who had actually committed the sin of uncovering

01:54:34.720 his father's nakedness it was such a heinous sin that noah was not even willing to mention his name

01:54:39.020 and the descendants of ham were cursed but not equally cursed that canaan was particularly

01:54:44.160 cursed and we see that through joshua and eradicate and so my point is this i'm not even

01:54:48.720 saying i i agree uh there were certain points that i'll actually say i disagree undoubtedly

01:54:53.340 disagree but um but if you're going to engage somebody you need to do it fairly and you need

01:54:59.800 to do it calmly you need to be objective you need to be reasonable you don't need to use um

01:55:05.360 emotionally charged language uh why are you lying and because then what cory was immediately able to

01:55:10.620 do is say well then uh why are you a lutheran when according to right what you just said about me

01:55:17.120 lying and intentionally you know twisting the word of god um the guy the guy that luther luther

01:55:23.680 that my view literally comes from him it is luther's view so if you're ready publicly right

01:55:30.240 now to say that uh that you would excommunicate martin luther and that martin luther is in hell

01:55:35.840 and that he's a heretic because that's what you're saying about me right because it wasn't just i

01:55:39.280 disagree or i find these things uh to be problematic or i think this is insensitive or i think this is 0.67

01:55:44.640 even dangerous it's not that it's way beyond it's um you are a wolf a false teacher and going to

01:55:50.840 hell and and and and about this particular view simply calling it the the curse of ham instead

01:55:58.080 of the curse of canaan when on that point of of the discussion cory had a perfectly reasonable

01:56:03.880 you know um argument for why he did that and it happens to be uh that he got it from martin luther

01:56:09.780 and uh so i yeah i did watch it um there are certain things that that i personally do not

01:56:15.780 hold and there are things that i not just oh well i disagree no there's certain things that i'm like

01:56:20.400 no i really think that's problematic i really do um but i will say this uh that was uh if

01:56:28.880 as far as debate performances go it was if if you if if you want if you really are concerned

01:56:35.720 then then you know fire up your podcast or whatever do long-form content uh make your

01:56:42.120 arguments root them in scripture uh but young men are not going to fall for uh smoke and mirrors

01:56:48.800 emotional that it just it doesn't work anymore um there was a time when that tactic would have

01:56:54.440 worked there was a time where you could like i think chris actually thought he was doing something

01:56:58.880 that was going to be he was going to get applause that was jd's point was chris approached it like

01:57:03.780 he's approaching bethel like all right like i critique bethel for the last 10 years should be

01:57:08.320 no different right that was you're right that was jd's point it was very insightful in typical jd

01:57:12.860 fashion he you know he has some great insights but he said uh chris has made a legacy ministry

01:57:18.960 over 20 years uh by um attacking prosperity gospel like doing videos on joel osteen

01:57:25.180 well the thing is joel osteen doesn't bite back joel osteen you know he's living who you are he's

01:57:31.980 living his best life now he doesn't even know who you are you know there's no response video he's

01:57:35.840 never going to come on the channel he never he never gets to respond he never gets to counter

01:57:39.120 and we all know that even if he did joel osteen he's he's not going to bring the receipts he

01:57:43.600 doesn't have any biblical arguments um joel in other words joel osteen is an easy target right

01:57:48.980 and so you can build a following over the course of 20 years by um by just by arguing with the

01:57:55.940 television by arguing with you know joel osteen and and look really great and people are going

01:58:00.960 cheer you on yeah you're calling out the prosperity preachers you know and and there's there's literally

01:58:05.640 no counter uh there's there's you're you're you're you're fighting someone who doesn't even know that

01:58:12.620 they're in the fight you're literally having a video with the person's not even there um and

01:58:17.700 you're picking on it's like picking a picking a fight with you know like forrest gump you know

01:58:23.460 like like picking a fight with prosperity preachers it's a pretty easy fight you know it's like and

01:58:28.720 that's fine if you got it if that's your thing you're a discernment minister you know you got

01:58:32.140 your hundred thousand followers or what but but it's just not something to brag about you know

01:58:36.200 it's pretty easy to point out you know the faults in the prosperity gospel but if you're going to

01:58:41.080 have a live opponent and it's cory muller um yeah i think that chris got his clock cleaned and uh

01:58:49.040 and was it was clear that's jd's you know that was his point is um is very clear that this guy

01:58:55.120 has been fighting um you know just pathetic opponents for 20 years and has called it the

01:59:02.060 shooting range and paper targets he's been out there on the range for 20 years hitting paper 0.76

01:59:05.660 targets like look at that right and now and now you picked a real fight and uh and it was clear

01:59:11.600 to everyone even like guys who who vehemently disagree with cory muller even those guys were

01:59:17.320 like oh this is rough right so all right any thoughts from anybody else on that no i think

01:59:23.120 that yep okay next one uh let's just oh eta on uh us getting a christian prince 10 years 20 years

01:59:30.480 30 years five i think it's either very soon or might not happen oh snap what do you think dominique

01:59:37.200 strong on that one what do you think getting the christian prince is is it happening five years 10

01:59:42.160 years 20 30 what do you think well guys i don't know if i'm ready for that kind of uh responsibility

01:59:47.360 and honor uh you know what i'm more in like i'm more in the 20 the 20 year range but i would love

01:59:56.600 for it to be two but let's hope wes is right let's just put it that way it's it's like michael said

02:00:02.220 it's either going to be five like this this constitutional order just continues to crumble

02:00:06.520 really quickly you go into 2028 it's chaos you're splintering on all sides and just someone rises

02:00:12.540 up and says i'll take it from here so either like the five year or like michael said it's

02:00:16.780 it's 2050 in a whole new world all right alex uh good thoughts i think we have one more super chat

02:00:22.700 uh do you think okay we'll get to in one second uh do you think we should still support trump

02:00:27.580 if he goes to war with iran well i in terms of supporting him at this point he's elected

02:00:32.500 right right so like i that that would be my question like what do you mean supporting him

02:00:36.240 now so like my yeah exactly my my position honestly is um when it was when it was uh

02:00:44.360 election season like we make no apology i regret no no regrets um i regret nothing we were uh

02:00:52.760 absolutely vocal and pulled no punches and we were saying yeah get out and vote for trump

02:00:58.660 and i i don't regret it um but i said then and i'll say again now i said all along um get him

02:01:07.940 elected we're talking about a straight-up communist as the alternative uh the most far left

02:01:14.900 um radical president we would have ever had in the history of our country and a woman and a woman

02:01:21.560 yes um and so uh so yeah so we we we made no apology we're like vote for trump but what we

02:01:28.200 said that whole time is we said and once he's elected if that be god's will um then do your

02:01:34.860 christian duty and um and call him to account so that's what we've been doing lately um so yeah

02:01:41.600 get out and vote for trump check did that and now um uh say sir we appreciate you i voted for you

02:01:51.040 i don't regret voting for you but also um that that executive order great that one great like

02:01:57.800 so encourage him because that's the thing if you only here's the deal this is how politics works

02:02:01.880 if you only call him out and you're boasting on social media i didn't vote for you because i'm so

02:02:08.240 principled i did not vote for you i never would vote for you um and i've never i've never said

02:02:12.840 one positive thing about you but listen to me as i criticize you now again for the hundredth and

02:02:17.780 ninth time like i actually want to make a difference i don't i'm not just trying to um

02:02:24.140 to put out a catnip for my fan base you know i'm not doing what chris roseborough has done

02:02:30.500 you know and then like i'm actually trying to win so like i i publicly tagged both vance and trump

02:02:38.520 about a month ago and it was with ivf and i said if you do this you will have um you will be

02:02:45.100 responsible for the blood of more children on your hands if you use federal tax dollars to fund ivf

02:02:52.000 that would take 30 embryos and put 29 of them on ice most of them to be discarded later on

02:02:58.860 um please don't do this but even in that tweet i still got a lot of flack because i began it with

02:03:04.700 honor i said you've done this you've done this you've done this i'm so grateful i voted for you

02:03:09.800 my wife voted for you i would have crawled over broken glass to vote for you and i got mocked

02:03:14.920 by by the purity you know purity spiral guys you know and like like look at him the way he's

02:03:19.760 groveling with trump uh but here's the deal um i'm i'm not convinced trump is listening to them

02:03:24.540 or me but if he was going to listen to one i'd have the better shot so um having the ear of a

02:03:31.820 king is a good thing and uh and one way to have the ear of a king is to vote for him um to support

02:03:40.060 him to encourage him where you can but then also call him to account so i would just say my answer

02:03:45.140 to the question would be uh do both support him where he's good and call him to account where he's

02:03:50.920 wrong um yeah do both any thoughts dominique i have the and i really want to put emphasis on this

02:04:00.960 i have the exact same ideology as you do as far as supporting trump and also my behavior prior to

02:04:08.640 the election uh you know i do a lot of breaking news stuff on twitter and just to be honest with

02:04:13.840 you it's not like i was putting half truce out there anything but i was making sure to put out

02:04:18.700 news before the election that certainly was not uh to be considered anti-trump you know it was

02:04:25.280 things about tax breaks it was things about prospective deportation operations things that

02:04:30.100 people wanted to vote for and so i made sure to be a team player because again we're talking about

02:04:36.520 literally a communist non-christian woman being the leader of this country and so i don't like

02:04:43.580 when people put things into oversimplified terms such as well it's the lesser of two evils but even

02:04:49.220 if you think trump's not a great guy in this instance he most certainly was the lesser of two

02:04:54.600 evils and i think um you know we got him in but now it's like you know what does victory what does

02:05:01.620 winning really even mean and for me it has to do with many of the topics that we've already discussed

02:05:07.420 today pushing christian principles putting nationalistic christian putting people that

02:05:12.500 are actually born in this country and their priorities before foreigners and um i think that

02:05:19.020 not only is it acceptable for people to criticize trump right now but if there's instances or there's

02:05:24.980 certain subjects where you are dissatisfied it's your responsibility as an american to offer this

02:05:30.420 criticism and i also want to remind people that you know there's only one person to worship and

02:05:37.380 that is jesus christ that is not dial trump and a lot of people get confused they feel that you

02:05:42.720 must have fealty you must have loyalty to this one figure when ultimately your real loyalty should

02:05:48.440 only be to god to your family and to this country and so i wish that people would knock it off with

02:05:53.460 this you know essentially idolatry and understand that he's not impervious he is going to make

02:05:59.400 mistakes he may have some interests that are against yours but you can never create change

02:06:04.120 and he's never going to know about it unless you're willing to courageously and bravely voice

02:06:08.240 your opinion. Yep. Amen. Any thoughts from Wes, Michael? Remember that Kamala's husband, Doug

02:06:14.460 Amoff, I think that's what it is. You're like, well, Trump and Israel, he's Jewish and he claimed

02:06:20.540 if we win the election, I'm putting a Jewish menorah in the White House. So you're like,

02:06:24.600 I don't like Trump and Adelson and this or the other. And I get it. But my brother in Christ,

02:06:29.240 the options were not great. That's right. Yeah. No, that's a great point because people say,

02:06:33.040 Well, yeah, Kamala was a communist, but at least she wasn't a Zionist.

02:06:36.800 Yes, she was. 0.74

02:06:37.640 You think, yeah.

02:06:38.400 Yes, she was.

02:06:39.020 Her husband literally said, we're going to have a menorah in the White House.

02:06:42.020 And I can almost hear the audience literally saying right back, like, I think we're still going to get a menorah in the White House.

02:06:48.120 You might be right.

02:06:49.140 But with Kamala, we would have for sure gotten one, and we would have gotten more wokeness.

02:06:54.320 One more super chat.

02:06:55.380 Okay, one more super chat.

02:06:56.360 This is Bishop.

02:06:57.020 $10 from Bishop.

02:06:58.260 Thank you, Bishop.

02:06:58.900 Very kind.

02:07:00.060 He says, God bless you all.

02:07:01.380 grew up a dispensational baptist speaking of zionist um and i found joel on ruslan all right

02:07:08.740 that's been a minute uh and can say that i'm married now i've got a boy on the way coming

02:07:14.240 in april and uh he will grow up to conquer the world uh as a post-mill christian that's awesome

02:07:21.980 praise god bring him to the conference and we can baptize him yeah well not you not you

02:07:25.820 Somebody will baptize him.

02:07:28.360 We've got enough Presbyterians and Anglicans also at this point.

02:07:31.200 Honey, I need you to hurry up.

02:07:32.520 You can have Calvin Robinson baptize him.

02:07:35.000 Oh, my.

02:07:35.720 Presbyterian, Anglican.

02:07:37.100 You can have your pick of the litter.

02:07:38.420 You can baptize him three times.

02:07:39.440 There's so many infant baptism choices.

02:07:40.920 Do it twice in the conference and once in 10 years.

02:07:42.400 It'd be great. 1.00

02:07:42.920 You could have the Catholic. 1.00

02:07:43.420 Three is better than one. 0.72

02:07:44.440 You could have the Presbyterian, the Anglican.

02:07:46.140 There'd be so many options.

02:07:47.520 But here's the problem.

02:07:48.620 He says April, and I don't know if he's talking about it.

02:07:51.340 I mean, he'd have to be coming quick.

02:07:52.940 Yeah.

02:07:53.360 Quick.

02:07:53.680 speaking of people having babies and coming to our conference um the baby just came i i fully

02:08:00.560 expect i mean 48 hours with the family and i fully expect that brian so they will be at the

02:08:06.120 conference this is not kid number two this is kid number seven this is kid at a certain point they

02:08:09.860 just walk out lexi's probably doing dishes already the baby's probably doing like i mean at a certain

02:08:16.100 point it's your seventh kid uh it is a girl after all so i think she's with mom doing dishes in the

02:08:21.660 kitchen and brian is free to come to the conference we'll see him we'll see you there brian thanks

02:08:25.620 um okay any other questions that we have nathan was that all of them

02:08:30.200 no more super chats oh here's one more nj i'm going to give this to dominique he says

02:08:36.260 why are you so sure that far leftism is defeated that woke world one uh or woke war one is what he

02:08:44.560 means uh was actually uh handedly won that we that we won that fight world war one um also many

02:08:53.120 political channels act like the dems are defeated but they still seem very strong uh but they just

02:09:00.280 lost the latest battle i'm just gonna say this um i think they're very loud i don't think they're

02:09:05.180 very strong dominique what do you think well i think the insidious and evil nature of some of

02:09:11.580 the things that guide the far left's decisions and their actions, they're certainly not going

02:09:16.360 to go away. I just think that very unfortunately, a lot of the things and the motives in this

02:09:21.760 country are fueled by profitability. And I think that most of these major corporations simply just

02:09:27.380 have abandoned at least outwardly espousing some of those beliefs simply because they're just not

02:09:32.240 popular and they're not profitable. So I don't think that it's all the way dead. And I think

02:09:37.720 it's very important to always remember what can happen when you just let you know self-will run

02:09:45.340 riot so it's not that they're to be ignored but three months after this election victory we've

02:09:52.640 got kind of a decent amount of time uh until there's going to be another left-right political

02:09:57.760 value or battle excuse me so i think it's just sort of more important to sort of uh sign this

02:10:05.000 victory certificate with with this trump win and actually try to push some of these things that we

02:10:10.100 hold near and dear to our hearts forward so that we can really actually have a true american and

02:10:15.720 christian victory um so no i i don't think that they should be discounted i don't think they

02:10:21.300 should be underestimated but i do think that now it's a sort of small minority that's very loud

02:10:28.000 you're seeing elements of kind of like extremism with some of this tesla stuff and you're seeing

02:10:33.400 some swattings and you know the loud minority is certainly not going to go quietly but i i do think

02:10:39.160 they are on their heels but again don't you know don't give them a break don't don't think they

02:10:44.200 don't exist but um yeah i think right now though we need to focus more on correcting things in the

02:10:50.240 right wing right i agree all right well uh dominique thanks for coming on the show how can

02:10:56.460 our listeners follow you i follow you on x you want to give your handle real quick sure um d

02:11:02.100 michael trippy tripi follow me on x i do mostly news i do throw some pretty base commentary out

02:11:09.240 there if i must say my you do and uh honestly i just really want to thank you guys for having

02:11:15.100 me on the show what an intelligent thoughtful uh effective communicating group of men and i really

02:11:20.900 feel blessed to be part of your guys show and and honestly uh very unfortunately um my my mother's

02:11:27.960 brother died about a month ago that was a military veteran so the whole and he lives out of town so

02:11:33.300 we had um a memorial that was actually scheduled like almost an entire month after his death

02:11:39.640 but if it wasn't for that this friday i would actually be coming to the conference

02:11:43.740 shaking your guys hands thanks so much for having me someday yeah thanks for coming and yeah i was

02:11:49.620 i was gonna ask you i was hoping that you could come but i'm sorry for your loss and we totally

02:11:53.700 understand um so again that's at dm trippy t-r-i-p-i follow dominique on x thanks for coming

02:12:02.060 on the show man god bless you and everything that you're doing and one last time for the listeners

02:12:06.460 um don't don't delay it's happening thursday friday and saturday this week that's april 3rd

02:12:13.040 4th and 5th thursday friday saturday this week we've got calvin robinson we've got steve days

02:12:18.260 We've got Oren McIntyre.

02:12:20.120 We've got Eric Kahn, Dan Burkholder, Ben Garrett, Aidy Robles, John Harris, Andrew Isker, who was just on Tucker Carlson today.

02:12:27.660 That dropped.

02:12:28.280 Andrew Isker is going to be there.

02:12:29.500 CJ Engel, his co-host from Contra Moondum.

02:12:32.520 He's going to be there.

02:12:33.760 Who else do we have?

02:12:34.440 Who am I forgetting?

02:12:35.100 We've got Dusty Devers, the Christian prince.

02:12:37.640 You know, he's got to work his way up a little higher, but he's a state senator in Oklahoma.

02:12:41.720 So we've got the Deves.

02:12:43.180 We also have David Reese.

02:12:45.360 Stephen Wolfe, did you say?

02:12:45.860 We've got Stephen Wolfe.

02:12:47.140 Yep.

02:12:47.300 dr steven wolf uh if i if i don't say doctor in in person he's like joel you're my friend but

02:12:52.600 publicly he's like you better say doctor but we've got dr steven wolf uh he's the author of

02:12:57.880 the case for christian nationalism uh so just an incredible all-star lineup we're super excited

02:13:03.020 uh but you you don't want to miss it so you've got to go because here's the deal will these

02:13:08.480 things we've got seven main sessions and three uh panels will they eventually be made public

02:13:13.400 yeah i'm gonna shoot you straight eventually you'll get it but when i say eventually i'm

02:13:19.300 talking months it's gonna take us at least a few weeks coming down from the conference we're gonna

02:13:23.940 have a lot of things practically that we got to square away and and then what we're gonna do it'll

02:13:28.040 probably be you know two three four weeks after the conference that you'll see the first piece

02:13:32.060 of content and we're gonna drop one piece of content of which there are 10 uh per week so

02:13:37.480 you're talking you know three four weeks before you even see the first and then 10 weeks because

02:13:42.060 there's 10 pieces of content so you're talking easily you know three months three and a half

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02:14:12.500 unsubscribe. No harm, no foul. Dominique, thanks again for coming on the show. And to all our

02:14:17.100 listeners, we hope that we see many of you this week at the conference. And if not, we've got

02:14:21.580 some pre-recorded content that we're excited about that'll be coming out for our regular

02:14:25.620 Wednesday show. And then we're going to air one piece of the content live in the place of our

02:14:31.080 Friday show, is what we've decided. And then Monday, we've got another piece of content for

02:14:35.520 you guys. And then we'll be back live in person, I believe next week on Wednesday. But we'll keep

02:14:41.340 you busy with content in between. We've got some stuff pre-recorded. We've got the one piece of

02:14:45.500 content from the conference that we'll do on Friday for everybody who's listening. And we'll

02:14:49.840 have a good time. God bless. Thanks for tuning in.

The NXR Podcast - April 01, 2025

THE LIVESTREAM - Daily Wire Bankruptcy & The Future Of Conservative Media w Dominic Tripi

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