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00:00:26.800 for decades liberals have assured us that history only moves in one direction toward so-called

00:00:34.540 progress they built their entire moral framework on the idea that the past was oppressive the

00:00:41.320 present is enlightened and the future is an inevitable march toward egalitarian utopia

00:00:48.080 but lately reality has been catching up with their delusions across the political spectrum

00:00:54.920 a once unthinkable idea has resurfaced, the repeal of the 19th Amendment. What was once the domain

00:01:03.900 of obscure reactionary circles is now a growing conversation in mainstream politics. Even Project

00:01:11.640 2025, the policy blueprint that sent the left into a full-blown panic, was accused of making

00:01:18.880 this one of its long-term goals. Why? Because history isn't just some endless progressive

00:01:25.700 revolution. It is the unfolding of God's created order, and that order, no matter how much they

00:01:32.640 resist it, always reasserts itself. We are witnessing the slow but certain return of nature.

00:01:39.980 The distinctions between men and women, once blurred by Marxist ideology and evangelical

00:01:47.260 cowardice, are becoming undeniable once more. Feminism is collapsing under the weight of its

00:01:54.320 own contradictions, and the left, which once mocked the idea of patriarchal governance,

00:02:00.980 now finds itself terrified by the growing number of men and women that are rejecting their lies. 0.82

00:02:08.080 For over a century, the progressives, alongside their naive Christian allies, 0.57

00:02:14.180 labored to erase the natural order, calling it justice, while dismantling the very structure 0.99

00:02:21.220 that held civilization together. But they were wrong. The world was never meant to be built

00:02:27.600 on their abstractions. The past they despise is now returning. And the real question is,

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00:03:11.800 all right all right welcome back here we are it's a monday afternoon for those of you who

00:03:21.140 are new to the channel uh a very merry ga good afternoon we've got our very own michael belch

00:03:27.480 he's an elder in our church covenant bible church by the way if you're looking for a church

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00:03:43.820 the police from being defunded right but but close enough to where you could technically you know

00:03:49.060 go to the Capitol you could go and work for Elon or Oracle or Apple or whatever so anyways if you're

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00:04:00.360 taken that's the only reason we don't have it covenantbible.org uh to check out the church so

00:04:05.700 We've got Michael Belch.

00:04:06.760 He's an elder in the church.

00:04:07.680 We've got Wesley Todd.

00:04:08.580 He's a faithful member in the church and myself and one quick couple of announcements real

00:04:14.320 quick and then we'll hop into the episode.

00:04:15.500 So if you're new to the channel, we live stream on Monday, Wednesday, Friday at 3 p.m.

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00:04:24.360 We also have the Friday special.

00:04:25.700 Right now it's a series with myself and Pastor Andrew Isker on the subject of Israel.

00:04:30.440 How should we view modern day Jews today?

00:04:32.820 Are these the people that are being addressed in the Bible? 0.99

00:04:35.700 Are there any lasting future promises for them, physical or spiritual?

00:04:41.340 All those things.

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00:04:46.620 We call that the Friday special, a deep dive multiple-part series.

00:04:50.100 It's a nine-part series with myself and Isker.

00:04:52.620 And Q2, starting in April for the Friday special, it's going to be myself and Dr. Stephen Wolfe

00:04:57.680 on all things Christian nationalism.

00:04:59.640 So there's a lot of great things happening.

00:05:01.620 All that said, the next cool thing that's coming up pretty quick is about six weeks from now,

00:05:06.740 we have our conference. We've titled it Christ is King. The subtitle is How to Defeat Trash World.

00:05:13.260 So we have the Christ is King conference. It's happening April 3rd, 4th, and 5th,

00:05:17.120 the year of our Lord, 2025. It's a Thursday, Friday, and a Saturday. You'll see a commercial

00:05:22.200 in this episode just a little later on that'll tell you all the speakers. But there's two

00:05:26.320 important events, sub events at this conference that I want to go ahead and put on your radar.

00:05:32.200 We want you to be able to sign up now. So one of them is we are officially having a singles mixer

00:05:38.060 and it's not just going to be organic where you're just kind of walking around hoping to

00:05:41.700 have a conversation, but it's going to be really intentional and designed and organized. And so we

00:05:47.460 have somebody on our right response team that's going to be heading up that event that's happening

00:05:52.280 during the conference, kind of like a speed dating scenario where you're getting a woman and a man

00:05:58.020 getting to talk to each other for a couple minutes, and then going down, we're going to have tables

00:06:02.080 lined up in a separate room, and hopefully relationships will come out of this. By God's

00:06:06.800 grace, I've already got to officiate one wedding of two individuals that met themselves at one of

00:06:11.940 our previous conferences, and I'm hoping that this year, by the grace of God, I'm hoping that

00:06:16.940 10 marriages would come out of this conference now what we're lacking is we put a cap on it we 0.96

00:06:22.520 can't accommodate everyone so we're going to have 20 guys and 20 gals uh we are full on the guys

00:06:28.060 but we are lacking on the gals we believe by the grace of god they're out there ecclesiastes

00:06:34.000 sometimes discourages me a little bit where it says you know i found one upright man among a

00:06:38.860 thousand but not one woman among them all but i believe that maybe there's you know particular

00:06:43.500 the context to that and that it's not for all places at all time. There are godly women. I 0.94

00:06:47.480 believe it. They're in our church. I pastor them. It's a privilege. So if you're a godly single

00:06:51.760 lady and you would like to come to the conference and register for this singles event, I think 1.00

00:06:56.160 currently we have about 10 gals and we're full already with 20 guys. So we need 10 more single 1.00

00:07:01.580 godly women who want to come to this conference and participate in the singles event. What you 1.00

00:07:06.120 would do if you're one of those women is you go to our conference website, so notrightresponseministries.com 1.00

00:07:13.340 but go to rightresponseconference.com. Again, that's rightresponseconference.com and go ahead 1.00

00:07:21.180 and scroll down past the registration for the conference and you will find the singles event

00:07:26.240 and go ahead and register today. Second thing with the conference is that we also officially,

00:07:32.360 people have asked, some people asked being, I think, strategic and shrewd. It's perfectly

00:07:36.820 ethical and fine, but they're saying, hey, look, I'm a business owner. I want to come to the

00:07:41.020 conference and i'm going to come either way but i would love to be able to write it off ethically

00:07:45.180 legitimately as a business expense and uh is there any kind of official business type content and so

00:07:53.080 what we're doing is we have decided officially just now that we decided 15 seconds ago that uh

00:07:59.420 we're going to have a business networking lunch and so we're going to cater lunch um and so we're

00:08:04.720 not trying to charge an arm and a leg but we do want to at least cover um lunch plus the delivery

00:08:10.480 and the tip and the tax and stuff like that.

00:08:12.240 So we're going to charge $25.

00:08:13.820 Okay, so for $25, same thing,

00:08:16.340 go to rightresponseconference.com, scroll down.

00:08:19.240 You'll see where you can register for the singles event.

00:08:21.180 You'll also see where you can register

00:08:22.700 for the business networking lunch.

00:08:25.540 Business networking lunch.

00:08:26.840 Do they have to be registered for the conference first?

00:08:28.180 Yeah, so for both of these,

00:08:29.760 if you want to come to the singles event,

00:08:31.820 you do need to be registered for the conference.

00:08:33.340 If you want to come to the business networking lunch,

00:08:35.880 you need to be registered for the conference.

00:08:37.280 So these are sub-events within the larger event

00:08:40.180 of the conference. So it's not just open to the public. It's for our conference attendees. So

00:08:46.360 register for the conference at rightresponseconference.com and then scroll down on

00:08:50.200 that same website, same page and register for the singles event. If you're a godly single gal

00:08:54.760 and register for the business networking lunch, that's going to cost you 25 bucks. It's just to 1.00

00:09:01.940 cover the food and we'll organize, put a little bit of organization on that. And I'll be a part

00:09:07.440 of that event as well so i'll be there for the business networking lunch and i would love to meet

00:09:12.100 every single one of you and and even talk about ways that maybe if you're interested you don't

00:09:16.400 have to the main thing is for you to network with each other but if you're interested how you could

00:09:20.400 also network with right response and that maybe we could try to give a little bit of visibility

00:09:24.880 to your business we would love to see christian business owners thrive okay that's uh that's all

00:09:31.260 of our talking shop you know covering uh the bases and we are ready for today's episode michael belch

00:09:36.920 this is yours you outlined it that cold open i just got to brag on on michael and wesley and

00:09:42.740 nathan so i my job's fairly easy in this regard i i sit my butt down in uh in this leather chair

00:09:50.420 and nathan puts something on the teleprompter and uh and it usually takes a couple tries because

00:09:56.100 like ron burgundy he will read anything that's on that teleprompter so if there's a misplaced

00:10:01.660 comma or something then i you know then i mess it up but um what what happens is that michael and

00:10:06.400 they alternate writing the show and included in that task is writing a cold open and inner

00:10:12.440 introductory you know framing of the episode and so then i pre-record that put it on the

00:10:17.720 teleprompter and read it and then nathan to brag on him for a moment uh he's our our tech director

00:10:23.220 he then takes that and adds music and b-roll and all these kinds of things and and that's

00:10:28.820 like impressive to do in any podcast context like new christmas does great cold opens and it's all

00:10:36.060 i'm always impressed oh yeah but to brag on right response a little bit just for a moment

00:10:41.040 it's one thing to do an incredible 20 minute long cold open that's nobody should disparage that

00:10:46.480 that's amazing um but it's another thing to do it the day of three times a week right not every

00:10:53.420 two this is for life exactly because we're live streaming so this is literally this is the day of

00:10:58.660 that morning um you guys are are writing it getting it to nathan um who records it with me

00:11:05.880 real quick and then he's doing all all the music sound editing and b-roll for a anywhere from three

00:11:13.160 to five minute long cold open and he's doing it three times a week in addition to all his other

00:11:18.240 responsibilities for a video that's going to be live that afternoon really impressive so way to

00:11:24.360 go nathan yeah way to go all right so this is michael's episode lead us off i would love to

00:11:29.580 jump into the episode but joel we've had some some super chats that we need to hit so nathan

00:11:35.380 let's go back up to uh yeah a bunch here so we've got uh some chd super chat uh thank you very much

00:11:43.920 chd yes and shout out to the angry feminists amen granddad farms super chat 49.99 thank you 1.00

00:11:50.680 very much granddad farms very generous whoa super awesome that's a family i've talked to them before

00:11:55.220 on x wonderful supporters wonderful people thank you so much 50 50 guys seriously that that means

00:12:02.160 the world that's really generous and we will put that money to noble work everything that you give

00:12:07.020 just for the record everything that you give um is going towards a non-profit christian ministry

00:12:12.900 that is our whole objective is to resource christians not just within the ecclesiastical

00:12:19.680 you know the church institute but in every single realm of society and life to push for the crown

00:12:25.140 rights of king jesus so thank you amen so much granddad farms okay so he said idaho is on board

00:12:30.300 with repealing the 20th century if not longer appreciate you gentlemen same to you granddad

00:12:34.880 idaho the house put out a resolution asking the supreme court to revisit a bergerfeld versus

00:12:40.300 which would be the gay marriage ruling so the house came out and said hey i saw why don't you

00:12:44.600 redo this one so i'll lead in the way to go dude all right we gave a lot of credit to granddad farms

00:12:50.360 but this one okay so this is uh ben huffsteadler i think so yeah okay ben huffsteadler uh he gave

00:12:57.460 us a hundred dollar super chat god bless see all you have to do is do an episode that the people

00:13:02.940 it's a i'm telling you it is a crowd pleaser right when you think of what gets the people going

00:13:08.820 right what what is what is so well such a centrist moderate position well within the bounds of the

00:13:16.480 overton window like beloved a position that's that's just beloved by all repeal the 19th

00:13:23.140 amendment the people love it the super chats begin to flow right if you we need it we need

00:13:30.320 the support if you are a 19th amendment repealing fan super chat get it in you can do it god bless

00:13:38.540 so this is from ben huffsteadler a hundred dollar super chat incredibly generous thank you he says

00:13:44.820 wes could you read it said this let's go guys appreciate you all always watching how do you

00:13:49.940 suggest talking to the new age christian if it's unquote christian male regarding a proper christian

00:13:55.660 woman conduct head covering submission etc side note still waiting on the emo joe music single

00:14:01.420 to drop hashtag pick color for life um piccolo yeah like i would play piccolo at the conference

00:14:08.680 so really great chance that that does not happen but i will keep it in the back of my mind we'll

00:14:15.140 hit this question at the end because michael's got a lot of material yeah that takes that takes

00:14:17.800 more time but uh we so appreciate your generosity and we will hit it michael uh can you hit those

00:14:22.060 last two yeah so this is from uh bo cannington good to see you again bo thank you thank you again

00:14:26.860 for your generosity uh just supporting your ministries keep it up god bless you you too

00:14:30.540 bo thank you very much and cole billiott a super chat 499 says cole from politica christiana here

00:14:38.120 can y'all speak to the relationship with prohibition the 19th amendment um dr yeah i don't

00:14:45.080 we might touch on that some um good connection though the problem with feminism in the early

00:14:50.780 19th century is it was touching everything yeah yep and that that page politica christiana that's

00:14:56.660 an instagram page he puts tons of great stuff from the founding fathers actually a lot of american

00:15:01.200 history cool so go check him out politica with an a christiana on instagram on instagram okay yep

00:15:08.060 and uh christianity unplugged thank you very much for the five dollars repeal the 19th amen well

00:15:13.420 we're going to get into that it's not quite so simple actually unfortunately uh but we'll we'll

00:15:17.500 be we'll be getting to that as we go uh the funny thing joel is that you mentioned you know we are

00:15:22.800 hitting this, and you were speaking sarcastically,

00:15:24.980 this middle-of-the-road, milquetoast position.

00:15:27.620 And, of course, the implication is

00:15:28.900 that base people actually don't want

00:15:30.900 the middle-of-the-road milquetoast

00:15:32.900 position. They want

00:15:34.240 what's biblical and natural and historical.

00:15:37.600 However, this

00:15:38.920 issue of repealing the 19th Amendment

00:15:40.820 is quickly becoming

00:15:42.400 milquetoast.

00:15:44.360 I remember when I first heard this question,

00:15:46.840 it was kind of like when I heard the idea that

00:15:48.860 the argument that

00:15:50.760 the abolitionists of abortion argue for.

00:15:52.800 It took me a minute, and then I thought, yeah, it should be illegal in all cases, right?

00:15:56.580 When I heard about repealing the 19th Amendment, I kind of thought for a little bit, and I 0.97

00:16:00.780 thought, well, actually, yeah, this seems logical.

00:16:03.860 But at the time, I remember when I heard that, that was like the most fringe thing I could

00:16:08.340 imagine.

00:16:09.120 And I remember my brother and my brother-in-law and I had a conversation.

00:16:12.160 It was kind of in hushed tones.

00:16:13.380 It was like, what do you think?

00:16:14.860 I was like, well, what do you think?

00:16:15.860 And we all agreed.

00:16:16.800 And now it's so mainstream that places like Kim Poole, Pearl Davis, it's on Twitter.

00:16:22.800 threats like i remember i addressed it with um i think with joshua haimes who has a podcast he's a

00:16:29.100 good christian guy and i he asked me in an interview when he was just starting uh podcasting

00:16:35.040 and i think i could be wrong but nathan it was i was at a conference and i think it was 2019

00:16:41.100 no this was like 2022 2023 oh yeah you know you're right you're i'm sorry that's way too

00:16:47.860 or 2022 i think it was 2022 like october okay 23 okay so 23 yeah then so this is like fall of

00:16:58.700 2023 yeah so we are what we're coming up like two years a year and a half yeah a year and a half

00:17:04.180 so that just gives the reason why it matters is um i got i i remember it went viral i got tons

00:17:10.440 of death threats and i guess that could happen today probably will we've got what like we've got

00:17:14.780 no probably won't honestly because um you've got two different categories of um the insufferable

00:17:23.500 hate watchers you've got the true like leftist progressive uh unbelievers who hate christ hate

00:17:30.040 the church hate christianity and they're the ones who would probably make it go viral you know and

00:17:34.760 clip you out like your right-wing watch yep but um but these days are much more devoted hate watchers

00:17:41.440 are um effeminate christians right who have nothing better to do but comb through eight

00:17:49.820 hours of content weekly um and try to clip anything they can to uh to destroy our ministry

00:17:57.800 because they're mad about something so anyway so those guys i don't think actually uh because i

00:18:05.060 think those guys as much as they hate us actually agree on repealing the 19 they can see where we're

00:18:09.680 coming from they see where we're coming yeah so we probably won't go viral but the point is we did

00:18:13.000 go viral a year and a half ago not that long ago and all that is to substantiate michael's point

00:18:18.840 that i mean we're talking about the overton window shifting at the speed of light so an interesting

00:18:25.320 case study about this is um a man who ran for and actually won a u.s representative seat in the state

00:18:33.520 of michigan and when he was in college he went to stanford in 2000 he started a think tank it was

00:18:40.920 just kind of a local campus network and he wrote a paper on that think tank website that completely

00:18:47.020 called for the the total uh abandonment and appeal of the 19th amendment and in it he and he's based

00:18:53.780 he says you know women are not fit by god for political rule and he went through all the things

00:18:58.340 that we talked about last Friday on our episode.

00:19:01.340 And then he ran for election in 2020 or 2022,

00:19:05.800 and all of this resurfaced.

00:19:08.100 And actually, he backpedaled significantly,

00:19:11.260 but it still came out.

00:19:12.840 CNN had it out.

00:19:13.820 They had it all over their headlines

00:19:15.260 for his election cycle.

00:19:18.740 His campaign tried to kind of help him

00:19:21.980 weasel out of it by saying,

00:19:22.960 well, he was in college,

00:19:23.960 and he doesn't hold that position anymore.

00:19:25.640 Nevertheless, he still beat the Republican incumbent, even with that in his past and blasted all over the headlines, which I take as an interesting case study of where we are now.

00:19:38.720 He he could not publicly totally endorse it, but he had that in his past.

00:19:44.280 And the things that he said were unbelievably based.

00:19:47.060 They were not just what a lot of people talk about where they say, well, it's because men still get drafted.

00:19:51.960 So we either have to draft women or we have to get rid of the 19th Amendment.

00:19:55.640 Now, his was nature and God's design, and it was full-on patriarchal. 0.86

00:20:02.740 Good for him. 0.77

00:20:03.100 He still won his representative seat and Trump endorsed him, which I think is, you know, an interesting commentary on the times that we live and the direction that the Overton window is still pushing right now.

00:20:18.900 i grew up like just conservative republican all the way never in all my time growing up until my

00:20:25.480 mid to late 20s did i ever hear that idea nobody talked in those categories at any platform at any

00:20:31.100 level in any popular discourse right whatsoever yep right i never even thought about repealing

00:20:37.960 the 19th until probably about 2020 and then publicly said it like 2022 and then with joshua

00:20:45.700 hames 2023 right and now i'm like oh yeah that's that's one of my more tame positions yeah so our

00:20:53.480 goal this episode is not to retread everything that we did on friday right but i do just want

00:20:57.920 to in case you're just catching this for the first time um it's important to point out that

00:21:03.540 the arguments that we're making and really the best arguments against something like the 19th

00:21:07.940 amendment is not simply equality and it's not fair that women get don't get drafted that's not the

00:21:13.600 argument that we're making we're making a patriarchal argument from creation from the

00:21:18.060 bible and even from christian tradition um over over centuries and millennia um and and that's

00:21:24.700 not like like i said we're not going to go through all of that right now um but it's interesting to

00:21:29.620 me that um that this has been the dominant approach for christian civilization for pretty

00:21:38.160 much since the beginning there's been no christian civilization that has ever put women forward

00:21:43.360 voluntarily into the public sphere in this way.

00:21:48.140 What's interesting to me also is that this actually is a question

00:21:51.180 that has been discussed in America's history a lot,

00:21:55.980 even from the very beginning.

00:21:57.560 Even from the very beginning, there were questions about,

00:21:59.860 well, we're starting something new. 0.98

00:22:01.280 Should women be allowed to vote?

00:22:02.420 And Wes and I were chatting before this about how

00:22:04.860 whether the church is leading or not,

00:22:09.100 the church always affects culture. 0.97

00:22:10.940 And one of the reasons why when the Constitution was being debated and even leading up to it and after the time it was ratified, there were already questions about whether or not women should be voting and participating in public life.

00:22:23.360 And part of it was the Quaker church polity, which allowed men and women to speak in services.

00:22:32.680 And so because they had that position, they were saying, well, this has to flow outward into the political and public sphere as well.

00:22:39.320 And so from the beginning, actually, there were calls that women ought to be given the vote.

00:22:45.240 And John Adams, I'm going to read a quote from John Adams.

00:22:49.380 He reacted very, very strongly against this.

00:22:52.940 So Nate, we'll take that first quote from Adams.

00:22:58.260 He said, this is, yeah, why exclude women? 1.00

00:23:02.840 Because their delicacy renders them unfit for practice and experience in the great business of life 1.00

00:23:08.260 and the hardy enterprises of war, as well as the arduous cares of state. Besides, their attention

00:23:14.020 is so much engaged with the necessary nurture of their children that nature has made them the

00:23:19.200 fittest for domestic cares, and children have not judgment or will of their own.

00:23:26.480 Depend upon it, sir. This is in a letter. It is dangerous to open such a source of controversy

00:23:31.600 and altercation, as would be opened by attempting to change the qualifications of voters.

00:23:36.540 there will be no listen to this he says we can't go tampering with this he says there will be no

00:23:42.060 end of it new claims will arise when will we demand demand a vote lads from 12 to 21 will

00:23:47.740 think their rights not enough attended to and every man who has not a dime will demand an equal voice

00:23:54.380 with any other in all acts of state it tends to confound and destroy all distinctions and

00:24:01.340 surrender all ranks to one common level you want to talk about prophetic and you want to talk about

00:24:07.080 a man who understood what's what yeah that's an incredible quote john adams this is the same

00:24:12.860 very same john adams who says the constitution is only fit for religious moral people wholly

00:24:17.540 unfit for any other good grief yeah the early the early centuries of america it was a white

00:24:23.920 free proper owning men that could vote like that's just who voted so we had a democracy and 0.61

00:24:27.920 And they saw that as good because they were coming out of a monarchy, a tyranny of a king that could abandon and say, oh, I'm not going to protect you.

00:24:34.600 I'm not going to do trade with you.

00:24:35.600 I'm going to let parliament levy taxes.

00:24:37.240 So coming out of a monarchy, they come to a democracy.

00:24:39.720 And there were a good number of men that had a stake in the future that were free.

00:24:43.720 They weren't slaves that they could vote.

00:24:45.940 And those people did decide and pass bonds and chose their delegates.

00:24:49.560 So the House of Representatives, the Senate, that's that's how it worked.

00:24:53.860 And for the most part, it was over 21, land-owning.

00:24:58.700 And at that point, if you own land, it meant you had an education, it meant you had a stake.

00:25:02.920 The other thing was that the men who fought in the Revolutionary War, the War for Independence,

00:25:08.640 I mean, when you read their documents, they said,

00:25:10.560 we pledge our lives, our honor, and our sacred for our lives, honor, and fortunes,

00:25:15.760 sacred honor and fortunes to this endeavor.

00:25:18.020 I mean, there was a sense where they really were all in it together.

00:25:20.660 They had put everything on the line.

00:25:22.440 and it was fitting to have a society where men of that caliber and that commitment had a say

00:25:29.180 and what was going to go on after the war right having people i think we said this on friday in

00:25:33.840 our episode but having people who it's um they had a stake uh when it comes to the past uh fathers

00:25:42.460 i've said it before like um honor towards your fathers in the past and hope for um for your

00:25:50.540 sons in the future you know like so you're looking at you know in both directions with

00:25:55.520 the corridors of time that you're saying i have a stake in this place it's my home it's not just a

00:26:01.220 set of propositions or an economic zone but it's my country these are my my kinsmen it is my home

00:26:07.640 and and i can trace that back in terms of heritage fathers looking back and i actually have posterity

00:26:14.940 I have a stake not only in the country's past, in its history, but in its future.

00:26:21.160 I actually am raising the next generation that will then, Lord willing, raise the next generation.

00:26:28.400 And then the free aspect, you know, like, you know, in terms of like a general equity type principle of application,

00:26:35.560 I would look at that and say, you know, today, like, we don't have slavery.

00:26:40.740 We do.

00:26:41.240 We have plenty of slaves, you know, but we don't have slavery like we once did.

00:26:44.300 it's changed, the nature of it. But I would still look at the same principle. So I would say that

00:26:49.960 if you are dependent on the state, which means ultimately the state produces nothing,

00:26:57.360 therefore the state doesn't have money, right? The United States government doesn't have money.

00:27:01.780 All it has is your money. That's all it has is your money. So when you're receiving state handouts,

00:27:07.800 What you're receiving is the taxes of your fellow citizens.

00:27:14.420 You're taking somebody else, your neighbor's money.

00:27:17.260 You're taking your neighbor's money.

00:27:18.400 And I would just say that if you're on welfare, I would like to see welfare abolished.

00:27:22.780 Now, I'd like to see it done humanely.

00:27:26.320 And I recognize that there would be a process involved.

00:27:29.980 It would take time.

00:27:31.540 But I would like to see welfare abolished because I do believe it goes against the Scripture.

00:27:35.060 that said though in the meantime you would think that at minimum yeah if if you're not paying taxes

00:27:43.520 and instead not only are you not paying taxes but you're actually receiving taxes from others

00:27:49.760 then no you know you don't get an equal voice to someone who is paying for your food and your

00:27:58.740 rent and you're of course of course not aristotle called that out it was like the rich and the poor

00:28:03.380 said you got to be very careful so like in the athenian states for instance it was it was men

00:28:08.320 that were free and uh often they had to have military service but the point with the rich

00:28:12.200 and the poor is like if you make suffrage universal and you give it to all the poor will be greater

00:28:16.380 in number that's how resources are distributed and they're going to demand of the rich so policies

00:28:20.900 and candidates that want to say well we distribute wealth we'll give free handouts and you give all

00:28:25.840 of the poor all of the slaves and you add women into that too you'll have a mass of 80 of people

00:28:30.760 that want the stuff that the rich have and so all of these states from athens from rome and others

00:28:35.240 if there was voting it was very carefully guarded you had to be the son of a citizen you had to own

00:28:40.840 property you had to have some of them even the time to do it so that had to be your profession

00:28:45.040 was to vote you had to have military service you had to be all in ties to it and so in that way

00:28:50.840 you didn't have masses of people with little to their name voting to take it from the rich well

00:28:55.800 said and the reason why we're mentioning this right here at the outset is because yeah we are

00:28:59.760 not 19th amendment respecters but beyond that to be a little bit to not just pick on you know

00:29:05.500 women having the vote um we really what we despise is universal suffrage yeah it's not just it's not

00:29:13.060 just the 19th amendment um but all together and here's the funny thing is like pretty much every 0.52

00:29:18.840 red-blooded american right whether you're you're white black male female pretty much everyone

00:29:25.900 disagrees with universal suffrage and what i mean by that is nobody thinks that two-year-olds should

00:29:31.660 be voting yep right right so everybody at some point it's kind of like the argument like everybody

00:29:35.820 is a cessationist at some point right like like nobody thinks that we have apostles of christ

00:29:40.380 who are eyewitness you know eyewitness you know people to the the you know the uh to jesus christ

00:29:46.400 himself to the resurrected christ and are being commissioned by him for writing new books of the

00:29:51.080 bible to be added to the canon today right so like no matter where you land on that theological issue

00:29:55.740 of you know continuationism cessationism everybody is a cessationist at some level and to be fair

00:30:01.260 everyone's a continuationist to some level because we still think there are certain spiritual gifts

00:30:05.360 like mercy helps administration teaching uh that still exists so everybody believes in some part

00:30:10.920 something's continued and also to some so some part something sees so the the question is simply

00:30:16.700 at that point a matter of degree so a question of the matter degree nobody believes in boundless

00:30:22.800 universal suffrage we all agree that there are certain there are certain elements and certain

00:30:28.280 sectors of the populace whether you limit to children or on on the other end it's like if

00:30:33.880 somebody has dementia right right if somebody's is felons you know and this is strictly hypothetical

00:30:38.840 i i would never stoop so low to give a you know but if if somebody has dementia and doesn't know

00:30:44.240 where they are they shouldn't be able to vote much less be the president of the united states

00:30:50.580 So whether it's the very elderly, we love the elderly, but those who literally are starting to, their mind is beginning to degrade, or the child, you know, everybody, I think, just about, with common sense, agrees, yeah, voting shouldn't be everyone. 0.73

00:31:11.480 And not only that, but this has been, Wes, like you said, this has been kind of a no-duh for most of history.

00:31:18.300 Now, Nate, let's show quote number two.

00:31:21.060 This is from a political writer and thinker named Michael Walsh.

00:31:25.660 And he says this.

00:31:27.280 In no previous historical iteration of either a republic or democracy was universal suffrage allowed or even contemplated.

00:31:34.060 The Greeks and the Romans had a quaint notion that only productive male citizens, especially those who put their lives, honor, and sacred fortunes.

00:31:40.740 There's the line again.

00:31:42.060 on the line for their city, nation, state, or empire,

00:31:45.320 and who bought their own weapons and armor, by the way,

00:31:48.880 could earn the right to vote.

00:31:51.180 There was some sense where it was passed down through citizenship,

00:31:54.940 but then also there was, as Wes said,

00:31:57.100 sometimes provisions for men who fought in war,

00:32:01.300 they could earn citizenship if they survived long enough

00:32:03.940 to come back to Rome and kind of be,

00:32:07.260 not necessarily the same thing,

00:32:09.260 but kind of commissioned as an officer

00:32:10.580 would be kind of a similar way of thinking about it now or being a veteran who returned in good

00:32:16.380 standing that sort of thing so this this has been this has been uh kind of normal human thinking

00:32:23.160 about this topic and Wes and I were talking both Wes and I moved to Texas and Wes it would be good

00:32:27.800 for you to share the comment that you said about voting in Texas elections yeah so it's very easy

00:32:33.660 you know for three white men that are you know property owning have children members of Protestant

00:32:38.720 churches i was adopted i don't know my birth father as far as we know as far as we who are 0.60

00:32:44.080 you calling white you could be an albino yeah who knows jolt can't vote okay so it's very easy for 0.63

00:32:50.480 three of us to sit here and say like well universal suffrage is a farce which of course it is but

00:32:54.600 here's the deal i'll take texas for an example i didn't grow up here i didn't even grow up in the

00:32:58.940 south i grew up in the north in pennsylvania new york moved to texas a couple years ago i should

00:33:04.080 not be allowed to vote here i don't have a connection to this land like my children maybe

00:33:08.740 even my grandchildren yes they should have the right to if they stay here and they put down roots

00:33:13.180 but if tomorrow morning a decree went out you have to have three generations of continuous living

00:33:18.080 productive employment uh living according to law no felonies ownership membership in a church if

00:33:24.640 that's required and i would lose my right to vote in texas and never be able to gain it in the rest

00:33:29.160 of my life i would be perfectly fine with that i would sleep i would be happy to not have to go

00:33:34.620 i can't vote yes i can't just be like i don't have to go to the municipality now once every

00:33:39.880 two years and like look at a bunch of names and be like gosh these all sound terrible like i'd be

00:33:44.320 fine with that right and you would know that those who could vote exactly those just laws those who

00:33:49.920 could vote in your state where you're raising your children um would be the most informed

00:33:55.260 responsible moral upright voters that you could possibly have you would know that that um you

00:34:01.400 couldn't vote but the um but the state of texas would only improve exactly yep and so it's great

00:34:08.880 i think i have good ideas and make good choices on bonds that this or the other but i could

00:34:12.980 recognize even though i in the macro in the individual i think would be a very capable voter

00:34:18.100 by god's grace i can recognize if that was taken away for even more capable those who may be voted

00:34:23.740 more reliably as a whole and i'm not part of that group because of children or ownership or

00:34:28.600 heritage or whatever be perfectly fine with that so if you're here like i don't like that idea of

00:34:32.620 taking that right away like who cares you go vote every two years you don't have something in your

00:34:37.040 calendar now yeah the question is not about what about my rights the question is um what is going

00:34:42.640 to be good number one for the glory of god um and according accordance with his word number two

00:34:48.760 what is going to be good for our country and the future of our country are my children my posterity

00:34:54.920 not just well what about my independent atomistic you know individual right um no like voting to be

00:35:04.900 frank like just like universal income is not a right universal health care is not right right

00:35:09.780 there are there what is it active rights and passive rights is that the delineation like so

00:35:14.600 there are certain rights like like life natural rights yeah natural rights that are god-given

00:35:20.300 inalienable rights that every single human being has the individual actually has you have a right

00:35:24.600 to self-defense right you have a right to um to not just be plowed over and exploited by by the

00:35:31.740 judicial system and the law and those kinds of so it's the right to um defend yourself in court and

00:35:36.600 those kinds of things the right to true religious worship but you don't have a right and i'm gosh

00:35:40.580 I'm going to sound like just a normie conservative, but these things are true.

00:35:44.380 But you don't have a right to other people's labor, right?

00:35:47.140 So when it comes to a right to health care, what you're saying is that somebody else who spent their life acquiring the skills and the knowledge to be a health care professional, a doctor,

00:35:59.280 that he somehow has a moral obligation under the law

00:36:04.000 to devote toward you a certain portion of his time,

00:36:07.740 his energy, and his resources,

00:36:10.000 that he owes it to you.

00:36:11.220 So what you're essentially doing

00:36:13.580 is you're taking every healthcare professional

00:36:16.020 and no longer treating them as a professional,

00:36:18.200 but enslaving an entire class of people

00:36:21.860 based off of their profession.

00:36:23.220 Because you chose to go into the field of healthcare,

00:36:26.100 we have now determined that all of you are slaves.

00:36:29.160 How did you get there, Joel?

00:36:30.700 What's the correlation?

00:36:31.640 Because they don't any longer have ownership over their own time and labor and skills.

00:36:38.200 The government must provide them to you.

00:36:40.240 The government must provide them to you.

00:36:42.480 So all that being said, there are certain rights that are inalienable, like the right to life and self-defense and these things.

00:36:49.720 And then there are other rights that when you say, this is my right, what you're really doing is you're infringing upon someone else's rights.

00:36:56.580 You're saying, you don't have a right to your labor, or you don't have a right to your money, right, because of welfare.

00:37:02.380 I have a right to the money that you have acquired by your work.

00:37:06.280 20% of your income.

00:37:06.980 And it's the same with voting.

00:37:09.120 Not exactly the same, but voting is not an inalienable—there are distinctions, but it is not an inalienable right, like the right to self-defense.

00:37:17.580 If it was, then anyone who lives in a monarchy is somehow unnatural.

00:37:23.040 Right, well, then you would have to—

00:37:24.640 Yes, end against.

00:37:25.320 And some Christians do this, sadly. So, I understand why people might be confused about

00:37:29.420 this. And when I say some Christians, I mean 90% of them. But some people would go so far as to say

00:37:34.800 it's not just that equal weights and measures and just laws are prescribed in the Decalogue,

00:37:40.820 in summary law, moral law, and also through the general equity of the civil codes. But not just

00:37:46.820 that, but forms of government are explicitly prescribed in Scripture. So, that a constitutional

00:37:53.540 republic is the only the only moral system of government and monarchy is not just a different

00:37:59.020 system it's not just different it's immoral it's sin it's actually sin um i know guys who would go

00:38:04.780 that far now i disagree that said i do think that a constitutional republic is ideal if you have a

00:38:10.680 society that's fit for that but that requires we always forget our constitutional republic

00:38:15.140 that we used to have we now you know pretend we have it you know but what we used to have 0.84

00:38:19.200 it didn't just spring up out of the ether one day it came out of a thousand years of chrysidom

00:38:25.820 or at that point about 700 years of chrysidom and and what was the common form of government

00:38:32.060 for that 700 years of chrysidom monarchy right so monarchy was the shoulders it was the giant

00:38:38.420 shoulders that a constitutional public republic eventually stood upon so after the populace a

00:38:45.800 people being shaped by christian ideals from a christian monarch for seven centuries then the

00:38:52.980 people were ready then they were ready for self hard rule of law too that's right like crushing

00:38:58.660 that's right public execution yeah cutting out 10 20 15 or whatever of the criminals

00:39:04.340 they were gone gone for centuries and generations once you culled all of that

00:39:09.260 had a monarchy instructed for centuries in christianity that was about the point

00:39:13.620 where men that own property that's right then you were ready for uh self-representative

00:39:20.700 government but even then um it still wasn't universal it still wasn't for everyone it was

00:39:26.040 for every household every free tax paying law abiding household and even in that case each

00:39:33.300 household had one representative namely the head of household the father husband yeah yeah so we

00:39:40.360 just we forget all these things you don't know the universal universal right to voting is not a

00:39:46.440 thing it's like well that's that's what the bible teaches what bible maybe the schofield bible i

00:39:52.100 was about to say the post-war war ii bible right all right we're gonna hit our first commercial

00:39:56.460 break when we come back we're gonna be talking about some of the roots behind uh the push for

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00:41:44.020 All right, welcome back.

00:41:46.580 We want to transition now into talking a little bit about

00:41:49.840 some of the roots of the movement that pushed for women to have the right to vote.

00:41:56.820 Honestly, this is a fascinating historical time period, and there were a lot and a lot of moving

00:42:02.600 parts. And so we're not going to do it justice here. I found it super interesting as I researched

00:42:09.400 and as I've researched in the past, like just from a purely conceptual idea, like what was going on.

00:42:16.020 And again, I'm more and more convinced that we need to take hope in the fact that even

00:42:22.460 when we look now back at the beginning of America and we say, oh, they had everything

00:42:27.400 right.

00:42:27.740 It was so stable.

00:42:28.580 It was so solid.

00:42:29.280 And it was.

00:42:29.940 And they had a lot more right than we do now.

00:42:31.760 But even then, there were always moving parts, always moving pieces.

00:42:35.380 And that should give us encouragement because we live in a time with a lot of moving parts

00:42:39.180 and a lot of moving pieces.

00:42:40.820 And all it takes, while it's, Joel, you're famous for saying this, it's not easy, but

00:42:45.000 it's simple.

00:42:45.400 all it takes is for us to be wise and courageous and to live in the time that god has put us in

00:42:50.640 and and to act accordingly right so it's not complicated yep but it is hard yep you know

00:42:56.020 or it's not easy but it is simple yep you know yeah i found it really encouraging i'm sorry

00:43:00.660 michael but uh yesterday you said like it's 80 years that things typically happen so the

00:43:04.280 revolutionary war 1776 1780 to the civil war yep civil war then to world war ii and we are we are

00:43:11.580 on the cusp of a generation that is things are changing quickly the american caesar yep american

00:43:17.260 caesar he's coming back baron trump he's coming we took two l's and now we're gonna we're gonna

00:43:21.820 take the w yeah there we go yeah seriously good so there was a i mentioned already the quaker

00:43:26.720 um influence in this but there was a very deep spiritual movement going on underneath the push

00:43:35.180 for women's equality in the vote and what's really interesting is the way that in the first

00:43:43.360 wave of feminism as they were pushing for and by the way they were pushing for a lot it was a whole

00:43:47.340 movement they were pushing for temperance that's true they were pushing for universal suffrage

00:43:52.200 they were pushing for many many other public policies rather than just the the right for

00:43:59.260 women to vote um they were pushing for divorce laws um they were pushing for all sorts of things

00:44:05.940 but underneath they're pushing against head coverings in church absolutely yep that was a 0.66

00:44:09.940 big one yep that's absolutely right underneath it all was a sense of uh they would not have

00:44:15.280 articulated it like we do now the divine feminine but there was a sense of spiritual empowerment for

00:44:21.100 women as well um and the movement for for being in a christian time was incredibly anti-christian

00:44:30.300 like no one could come out and say we hate christianity we want to do away with all of it

00:44:35.100 that just would not have been viable but even people that are now regarded as heroines in

00:44:40.780 history uh people like um elizabeth katie stanton she said this about the movement uh so nate this

00:44:47.300 is the third quote um she said the bible and the church have been the greatest stumbling blocks in

00:44:54.920 the way of women's emancipation um and and so in a very real sense the the bible still is that's

00:45:03.240 the church is not we used to have two safeguards that's right that's right but now we only have

00:45:10.540 one sadly the church is and i'll throw this in here too uh jewish women were a big part of the

00:45:15.860 women's suffrage movement they were involved they organized they rallied they funded no and you're

00:45:21.020 i believe it or not jewish women were a part of this movement i can't believe it but you're i

00:45:26.840 don't know if you're going to talk about it here communism and socialism yep stemming from the

00:45:30.680 same branch carl marx the communist manifesto marx was jewish there's a revolutionary spirit

00:45:35.520 that contributed not all of them like elizabeth katie stanton was not jewish for instance but

00:45:39.680 they were very much involved in pushing suffrage and temperance and all these things yep and

00:45:43.300 probably i imagine there was probably i think you said this west so i don't think i'm just imagining

00:45:47.240 right but um like with a like a christian version of pushing women's rights and then a non-christian

00:45:52.920 yes like like a spiritual the jewish women who were involved in that trying to stop you know um

00:45:59.300 you know stop the patriarchy where you know they they did it through a um a thin christian veneer 0.96

00:46:05.200 for for those who would you know that that that that kind of controlled opposition would would

00:46:10.460 be more compelling more persuasive and then they also did just through a secular yes vein as well

00:46:15.660 yep in fact nate we could jump right over to the screenshots then um this was from a track that

00:46:23.460 would push that was put out by actually a catholic um group and one of the things and i have it over

00:46:31.280 here on the right these are little snippets from that tract it says this it says first there are

00:46:36.980 Millions of socialists in this country, and all are unanimous for women's suffrage

00:46:43.540 because they hope, by the women's vote, to help themselves politically.

00:46:49.360 All socialists are opposed to anything Christian, but they bitterly hate and attack Catholics.

00:46:55.840 Why should Catholics join themselves with such—I can't read that last word.

00:47:00.600 Such a body. 1.00

00:47:00.960 A body.

00:47:01.540 I can read this next one, too.

00:47:02.360 And then the next one, second, the great cry of the suffrage body is for the individual liberty.

00:47:08.900 They demand the vote because they object to their husbands, fathers and brothers voting for them.

00:47:14.480 And so it makes, it's so interesting to me, the connection with the Jewish influence in the communist and socialist revolutions in Europe. 0.54

00:47:22.980 So the socialists were like 100 unanimous is what that quote said.

00:47:25.820 like there's a million socialists in this country and unanimously unanimously if there's one thing

00:47:31.720 we agree on it's uh women should vote everyone should vote but women in particular in this case 0.77

00:47:36.760 american communism had its real swell in the 20s and 30s it died down with obviously like the red

00:47:42.020 scare and everything but that was the the high watermark for the american socialist party

00:47:46.220 presidential candidates all of that and to the point it was a big movement actually had a decent

00:47:50.360 size and it was unanimous voting rights for all yep because that that eliminates all hierarchy

00:47:56.660 and all distinction um and really man did a number on western civilization just that idea

00:48:04.080 which we don't need to do it's it's old territory for us but again there's more going on here when

00:48:09.980 we when we say repeal the 19th amendment there's more going on than than hating women right right

00:48:17.020 uh which for the record for the for the clip's sake we're not saying we need none of us hate

00:48:21.980 women no but the claim would be that's all we care about all three of our wives my wife voted

00:48:26.560 yeah yep like and that's another thing just i've mentioned it before but real quick and someone

00:48:30.540 asked it too real quick so we um we are people who have convictions all three of us are men who

00:48:36.500 have convictions and principles but there's a difference between being principled and being

00:48:41.040 an ideologue. An ideologue will, in God's sweet providence, there will be occasional moments where

00:48:49.880 something really good will be right within his grasp, and he will pick it up and throw it down

00:48:57.220 and crush it on the floor in the name of the perfect. It's like, if I can't have absolute

00:49:04.820 perfection now then we'll have nothing good you know we can't have nice things unless we have

00:49:10.920 everything i want um we are not ideologues right response ministries um is a ministry that loves

00:49:16.780 theology we love principles we're deeply conservative we hate what what god would

00:49:22.180 consider to be genuine compromise um and yet at the same time although all those things are true

00:49:28.240 we are not ideologues in fact we hate ideology so that being said um if there was something

00:49:34.660 on the docket that like you know to repeal the 19th amendment we would vote for it with our

00:49:40.680 wives yeah now here's here's the thing you know for all the bad faith listeners and there's

00:49:44.760 hundreds who listen to every second of every episode hoping that this is the time i'm gonna

00:49:52.280 get you and shut you down um so for you there's nothing i can say to appease you but you know

00:49:58.960 those guys the bad faith listeners to our ministry they're gonna think oh well that's that's hypocrisy 0.97

00:50:03.320 right that's the only category that they could think of is um you think women shouldn't vote 0.95

00:50:07.620 but you had your wives vote with you for donald trump in 2024 that's hypocritical and we would say

00:50:14.740 nope um that's strategic so if there was literally on the ballot um a bill for for recalling you

00:50:24.500 know repealing the 19th amendment we would vote with our wives for that um and the reason why

00:50:31.960 is because until the female vote is repealed the way i see it and i've said this before but i'll

00:50:39.280 say it again is that for every man in our country half of his vote was stripped away from him that's

00:50:46.340 ultimately what's going on your vote was stripped away from it's it's not like it was just like when

00:50:51.780 the this is the best way i could explain it it's just like when the fed prints money when they

00:50:56.820 print money they don't actually create money they they actually inflate money they devalue

00:51:02.820 all the money that's already out there so when they print a trillion dollars what they actually

00:51:07.080 did is however many trillion dollars were already in circulation they took a little bit away from

00:51:11.500 that so too with the 19th amendment they didn't create an extra vote they took half of your vote

00:51:17.260 and so until the 19th amendment is repealed my wife votes with me because what she's doing of

00:51:24.160 her own volition, for the record, because she's a woman who fears the Lord and actually respects

00:51:30.560 and loves and submits to her husband, is she saying, Joel, I believe that through sin and

00:51:36.580 wicked men, half of your vote was stolen from you. But I, as your loving wife, am going to give back.

00:51:45.760 I'm going to make restitution and give back what was stolen from you by voting with my husband

00:51:51.500 until the full vote belongs to him.

00:51:54.780 That's not hypocrisy.

00:51:56.800 That's social justice.

00:51:59.000 That's restitution.

00:52:00.280 It's biblical.

00:52:01.460 It's just. 0.77

00:52:02.140 It's right.

00:52:02.740 Yeah.

00:52:03.080 So one of the things that I'm seeing in the chat here is

00:52:05.820 the history of women's suffrage is actually interesting

00:52:10.300 because the 19th Amendment guaranteed from a federal requirement

00:52:18.100 that all female citizens of the United States be allowed to vote. 0.97

00:52:22.920 But the reason why this was actually going on already 0.99

00:52:26.400 was that the Constitution, before the amendments

00:52:29.060 that gave universal suffrage in all of its ways,

00:52:32.560 so 14th and 19th and 24th, 25th, things like that,

00:52:37.340 before those were passed, the Constitution,

00:52:41.780 because of its federalism,

00:52:43.680 actually gave the power of determining who can vote and when to vote to the states and so leading

00:52:52.120 up to 1919 1920 which was when the 19th amendment was finally passed into law many states had

00:52:59.760 already because it was within their purview they had already given women the right to vote and in

00:53:05.300 fact um one of the one of the questions asked about heads of household if you're a widow like

00:53:11.440 yes they voted that like if the husband died and she took over the farm or the plantation or

00:53:16.420 whatever because she had a stake she had ownership and yeah yep they were they were black uh property

00:53:21.800 older widow so it's like she doesn't have a father she may not even have a brother correct 1.00

00:53:25.960 similar to like your first timothy chapter five widows that would be taking care of the church 0.98

00:53:30.100 they don't have a brother an uncle or a father or a husband or even sons necessarily to care for 0.98

00:53:35.080 them so that woman who's there's there's no male line lineage anymore to represent her family name

00:53:42.080 and yet she still is is alive and has the family estate and and therefore has a stake in the

00:53:48.680 country in its future that makes sense and that's going to get past her her sons her children and

00:53:53.500 maybe they're young at that time yeah so um there were uh situations where black property owners

00:53:59.260 for free black men also voted right um in fact before the 19th amendment was passed

00:54:04.840 um in 1797 new jersey was already allowing women to vote and then classic new jersey

00:54:11.080 yeah just taking the l early early we're here gonna be a loser hold on hold on i'm gonna redeem

00:54:17.660 new jersey just for a second um in 1807 they actually voted to restrict it to only free my

00:54:24.260 white males no white so yeah yeah gotta love new jersey all right um but 1869 territory of wyoming

00:54:33.960 1890 the state of wyoming then colorado in 1893 washington 1910 california 1911 this was already

00:54:41.840 going through the states um oh is this what we talked about before the show your black pill yes

00:54:46.520 so i do have a black bill here go for it because if we were to repeal the amendments related to

00:54:52.500 universal suffrage 19th amendment primarily being the one that we're talking about today

00:54:56.260 that actually doesn't fix the problem for us because the delegated power to determine who

00:55:04.600 gets to vote is actually in the original constitution up to the states which we support

00:55:09.920 yes that's great that is a good thing but if we were we were actually going to fix this problem 0.87

00:55:15.540 we as a nation would have to pass a positive amendment that says only men who are heads of

00:55:24.180 household and own property and have been here this long etc all the stipulations that we're saying

00:55:28.640 are allowed to vote it's kind of similar to the abortion issue except in the in the other direction

00:55:33.860 obviously there's separate topics but also in in the uh in the inverse uh with with abortion

00:55:39.380 is like dobbs praise god it beats the heck out of row right yep you know right but to be fair

00:55:46.240 like a lot of our abolitionist friends who we love like they would say dobbs is a wicked decision

00:55:51.200 right and in the technical sense in the biblical sense they're right right um because the right

00:55:58.120 just decision is not um you know what states can uh decide to whether or not they want to kill

00:56:06.180 babies no the just position is uh to actually not just say roe is done and now it's just a state's

00:56:13.500 issue no the just decision is at the federal level now states can go against it and then and

00:56:18.700 then the state would be exclusively moral morally responsible for god for that wicked decision but

00:56:24.360 at the federal level to say uh i'm sorry but under christian nationalism the human sacrifice must 0.58

00:56:30.180 end that's right the molek worship must end so not just saying uh no more roe but saying uh no no

00:56:36.140 no no uh we're going it's because because from roe to dobbs is really kind of from like a negative

00:56:40.520 to a neutral right but the neutral is still negative it's still not just and so what you're

00:56:45.340 saying is with the 19th now back to our topic at hand um repealing the 19th would kind of be

00:56:51.220 similar to like a dobbs decision it's like okay we recognize the 19th was wicked um but it wouldn't

00:56:56.720 really be until two things happen well three things repealing the 19th and then at the federal

00:57:01.380 level there would need to be a positive amendment that would have to pass they would say um only so

00:57:08.380 and so can vote whoever however we decide that um and then at the state level there would also have

00:57:14.440 to be um a positive decision made uh for each state not necessarily if a federal amendment

00:57:20.040 that supersedes anything in the state unless the state consciously went against it no no like 0.51

00:57:26.700 Like, no state was allowed to say after the 14th Amendment, no black man can vote, right?

00:57:32.880 The federal constitution supersedes all state laws. 0.78

00:57:37.300 So if the federal, okay, but if the federal constitution did that, and the positive amendment,

00:57:43.160 so not just repeal the 19th, but a positive amendment of this is who can vote at the federal

00:57:46.900 level, constitutionally, and then let's say, it wouldn't be Texas, but let's say New Jersey,

00:57:51.520 like let's say new jersey is um no everybody can still vote and they're voting in a national

00:57:56.780 election you're saying that um it just won't count yes because that's where power matters

00:58:01.520 because the constitution says the constitution says the powers not specifically delegated to

00:58:07.180 the federal government in the constitution belong to the state at that point the constitution is

00:58:12.040 delegating to itself the power to decide who gets to vote and so a state might still try and say you

00:58:18.160 can go pound sand and then it would be whether or not the federal government has the willpower

00:58:22.420 to enforce that new voting amendment on new jersey in this hypothetical situation what what is uh

00:58:29.180 steve dace always says and i think he says it really well which by the way i don't because i

00:58:33.220 don't want to get him in trouble he steve dace great guy loves the lord coming to our conference

00:58:37.580 he would disagree with this entire episode probably maybe but we still love him um maybe i don't know

00:58:43.920 who knows the oversize window it's moving so quick maybe you know maybe by the time we get

00:58:47.720 to the conference six weeks from now steve dace is going to get up there and be like yep repeal

00:58:50.960 who knows but uh but anyways but he always says uh we are not we are not a nation of laws

00:58:56.880 right did you yes we're not a nation of laws we're a nation of political will yeah he said

00:59:01.760 we're not a nation of laws and never have been yeah we're a nation of political will and always

00:59:05.840 will be yes something like that which is so true like even when you saw the standoff between like

00:59:11.320 biden and some of the uh the governors state governors you know of the southern border you

00:59:15.860 know they were all like one by one all the republican states were it was like come and

00:59:20.960 take it kind of thing like at the end of the day somebody has to exercise the will the power what

00:59:26.360 i've realized it the words on the paper they don't really matter that much political will and power

00:59:31.760 like in arizona abortion on the law in the constitution was illegal none of them would

00:59:37.500 enforce it there's no political will gay marriage as approval of it in the american public goes from

00:59:42.780 40 to 30 to 20 one way or another will not be legal it is all downstream they change and they

00:59:48.840 do matter because then they teach and toodle and uh tutor instruct tutor and instruct uh but

00:59:54.720 ultimately it's will so and that's why i think the christian caesar happens before yeah 20 years of

01:00:02.100 well how many states have to ratify that's what i was leading up to this is this is not and it's

01:00:07.000 look the overtime window is moving fast enough that we're not blackpilling right we're just right

01:00:10.820 But there's two ways.

01:00:12.900 There can be a convention of states, which has never been done for a constitutional amendment, or an amendment has to pass with two-thirds of both chambers of the legislative branch, so the House and the Senate, and then three-quarters of the states have to agree to it, ratify it for an amendment to pass.

01:00:32.380 Well, you know what?

01:00:33.780 This is what I know about these United States of America. 0.96

01:00:35.760 we have had in our history two and i repeat only two opportunities to elect a female president 0.98

01:00:43.220 that's right and we said resounding resoundingly no hell no hell no that's right in both cases

01:00:50.140 and as brian survey would say america we were so real for that we had two opportunities to elect

01:00:56.020 a female president we said no both times america you were so real for that yeah yeah so i'm hopeful

01:01:01.120 Well, this is why, as all of these debates were happening in the states, and then even leading up to the passage of the 19th Amendment federally, people were really opposed to it.

01:01:10.780 I mean, there were guys who had their eyes wide open to what was going on, and they warned, and they pled, and they argued against it, because they knew, number one, if it does get passed, it's going to be hard to undo, and number two, it's going to do incalculable damage.

01:01:27.140 This next quote is from Thomas Sedgwick, who was writing in the, I believe this was in the late 1800s, and he just, he saw down what was going to happen if America moved in this direction.

01:01:41.600 So he said, or William Sedgwick, my mistake, he said,

01:01:44.800 if women's suffrage would mean a denigration and a degradation of human fiber, which would turn 0.97

01:01:51.780 back the hands of time a thousand years. Hence, now he was optimistic. Hence, it will probably 1.00

01:01:57.800 never come. For mankind will not lightly abandon, at the call of a few fanatics, the hard-earned

01:02:03.360 achievements of the ages. Gosh, he was wrong. Yep. Boy, was he ever wrong. Yep. Yep. And tragically

01:02:09.800 so tragically now here's the white pill the temperance movement the uh yes not the abolition

01:02:14.880 of alcohol the prohibition prohibition it it passed it was ratified by the states it was

01:02:19.060 enacted in the constitution repealed like 10 years later after people were like later on they got a

01:02:22.840 dose of their own medicine yeah and that's what we kind of covered that a few we've covered that

01:02:26.340 for right you know the last three years but like but we really covered that i think last week on

01:02:30.720 a couple of our episodes and just saying it's a simple concept but just but just encouraging the

01:02:35.860 listener and i feel you know ourselves just encouraging each other that um history history

01:02:41.300 it was it was in the cold open today history is not just um you know just uh what is the way you

01:02:48.220 word it a revolution like where it only moves a progression yeah yeah like a progression like a

01:02:53.080 march towards progress or something like yeah like an eternal perpetual march towards you know

01:02:57.320 progress which really means you know right you know regress um until the end of time um that's

01:03:03.300 that's actually you look at history that is not the way history is played out right that's a very

01:03:07.300 dispensational novel idea that that everything has just gotten worse and worse and worse

01:03:12.800 or no better and better and better yeah that's not that's the opposite of the dispensational

01:03:18.320 both of those are immature yeah both of those are immature and people you know for again the

01:03:22.880 bad faith listener who might be tuning in and saying well that's your view like you hate on

01:03:26.580 dispensationalism but aren't you you know post-millennial so you think things only constantly

01:03:30.500 get better that's not the post-millennial view the post-millennial view doesn't say that things

01:03:34.420 only with a steady incline with no dips and no challenges along the way that they only ever get

01:03:40.420 better no we're just saying that the overall trajectory is going to be in the positive

01:03:44.740 direction but that can include in certain times in certain places and those places for the record

01:03:49.000 could be big like half the world like all of western civilization and those time periods are

01:03:54.380 not just necessarily 10 years or 20 years, but it can be three, four, 500 years, you absolutely,

01:04:00.820 on that overall trajectory up, you can have some massive dips along the way. And we would say that

01:04:05.480 we've been in a dip for quite a while, at least since the Enlightenment. But that's kind of the

01:04:12.600 overarching macro picture of steady trajectory up, but some big dips along the way. But then

01:04:17.520 in some of the smaller battles along the way that are more contextual to this nation and this time

01:04:22.720 period and blah, blah, blah. There's, there's ebbs and flows. In fact, I was, you know, there's

01:04:27.640 a member in our church that they live two and a half hours away and they come to our church

01:04:33.200 faithfully, a wonderful family. And my wife and kids and I, we try to go and see them,

01:04:40.320 you know, making pastoral visits, relational visits as often as we can. So we went on Saturday

01:04:45.120 and it takes all day. It's a five hour trip, round trip. But we went and packed up the van

01:04:49.860 and spent the day and had a great time and he was showing me you know he had on the wall picture of

01:04:54.180 robert e lee and he was showing me a quote from robert e lee that's like i was like was robert

01:04:59.900 e lee postmill you know it was really really encouraging but he's just talking about standing

01:05:03.780 at the seashore when you look at history and and when the water recedes when it's pulling back

01:05:09.760 and you think like this is it you know um not realizing that um like the bigger the ebb

01:05:15.820 the greater the flow yeah like if the water is pulling way back and you're standing at the

01:05:21.860 shoreline then uh for all you know it could be it could be ebbing and receding and pulling back

01:05:28.280 further and further like the tide like when a barge goes down you know and it like sucks all

01:05:31.900 the way it could be pulling back not just your normal ebb flow ebb flow but then all of a sudden

01:05:36.680 it just keeps pulling back and back and back and it goes back it recedes 20 30 40 feet then then

01:05:42.520 50 yards and further and further and you're like what is going on and then all of a sudden comes

01:05:47.700 a tidal wave yep a revival you know and uh we're not revivalist either we do think that god can

01:05:54.620 and may send revival we just um i just think we should be busy in the meantime but anyways it was

01:05:59.440 so encouraging i got the quote here i gotta read it this is robert e lee robert e lee the truth is

01:06:04.540 this the march of providence is so slow and our desires so impatient the work of progress so

01:06:10.320 immense and our means of aiding it so feeble the life of humanity is so long that of the individual

01:06:15.620 so brief that we often only see the ebb of the advancing wave and are thus discouraged it is

01:06:20.740 history that teaches us to hope amen one more time that is god that is fire uh the truth is this the

01:06:27.160 march of providence is so slow and our desires so impatient the work of progress so immense and our

01:06:32.420 means of aiding it so feeble the life of humanity is so long that of the individual so brief that

01:06:38.600 we often only see the ebb of the advancing wave and are thus discouraged.

01:06:42.620 It is history that teaches us to hope.

01:06:44.960 Amen.

01:06:46.200 Imagine, 0.99

01:06:47.080 imagine tearing down and burning that guy's stature. 1.00

01:06:51.540 Maybe, 0.97

01:06:52.080 maybe it's not just about the civil war.

01:06:54.760 That is crazy.

01:06:56.320 Talk about ebbs and flows.

01:06:57.600 So like there,

01:06:58.140 there's a little ebb,

01:06:59.080 you know,

01:06:59.400 in 2020,

01:07:00.820 very dark time.

01:07:02.520 But I would like to think that we're going to get an even,

01:07:05.860 I think for,

01:07:06.520 for every confederate statue that was torn down we're going to get a replacement 10 times

01:07:10.940 rebuilt robert e lee he will rise again uh but but yeah that's all that being said um it's you

01:07:17.920 know it's like oh well now that we you know now that we have basically universal suffrage and you

01:07:24.320 know the the wheels are off you know and um there's no going back but you don't know like it in one

01:07:32.160 sense it's hard to go back but that's one of the arguments that we've been making these past few

01:07:35.400 weeks is saying on the other hand you know what's really hard to do like that you see a usa has has

01:07:41.500 been proof of this it's really hard to convince people in third world countries that a boy is a

01:07:46.460 girl and a girl's a boy how do you do that we'll come to find out when you know all of a sudden

01:07:50.920 the veil is lifted and we're getting to see uh well it turns out it required billions and billions 0.51

01:07:56.060 of your tax dollars in order to to carrot and bait and switch and indoctrinate entire cultures

01:08:03.520 and countries into thinking things that are, they go, they fly in the face of nature.

01:08:08.440 But to go with the grain, right?

01:08:10.240 That's when you're trying to, that's when you're trying to make pigs fly.

01:08:13.520 But when you're just trying to teach a bird to fly, it's natural and it's actually easier.

01:08:18.660 And so a return to nature is actually going downhill.

01:08:22.920 It's going against nature.

01:08:24.480 The progressive revolution is actually the uphill climb.

01:08:28.600 The return to God's natural order is natural.

01:08:33.700 It's actually the direction with the least resistance.

01:08:37.600 Now, legislatively, some of the practical law dynamics get hairy of like easier to give

01:08:44.160 a vote than take it back.

01:08:46.240 But again, this is not a prediction.

01:08:49.080 We've said this, not a prediction, or I'm sorry, not a prescription saying we should

01:08:53.960 do this, but it is a prediction of what might happen, whether we support it or not.

01:08:58.600 Yeah, that's where you might get your American Caesar who comes in and says, you know, it's hard to repeal because we've lost all of our ambition and all of our good sense.

01:09:15.120 and we've created universal suffrage

01:09:17.260 and we can't get everyone to vote to repeal it 0.97

01:09:21.840 because we've allowed the most foolish of society.

01:09:28.780 Like we've basically created a no-win scenario. 0.88

01:09:31.400 So as a benevolent dictator,

01:09:34.020 I'm going to seize power and take it away.

01:09:36.060 Right.

01:09:36.640 Whether you like it or not.

01:09:37.460 The Roman Republic had a provision for this.

01:09:39.540 I know how it ended.

01:09:40.260 I know that the man that they gave it to,

01:09:42.780 his name was Julius.

01:09:43.560 great guy but there was a name after the salad dressing that's right but there was a provision

01:09:50.020 in their laws that in times of crisis they could hand you know unilateral power temporarily

01:09:56.020 to a man that they trusted turns out you know as far as the republic went that was the end of the

01:10:02.140 republic right but a good run but as far as the roman civilization went so i'm not saying we

01:10:08.140 You can transform into an empire with an emperor permanently.

01:10:12.700 But I'm just saying all Western civilization has understood that sometimes you do get into a situation where someone just needs to come in and clean house.

01:10:22.860 President of El Salvador, what do you do with a country overrun with gangs and corrupt judges and bribery?

01:10:27.720 Turns out you get in, you rewrite the Constitution, you instate term limits because you said I can do this.

01:10:32.480 You investigate them all for bribery and you say I'll be president for however long I want to be.

01:10:37.340 and he was re-elected with a 90 percent popular vote the highest approval rating in the world

01:10:44.440 you can just do things you're done judges that have blocked me and impeached right you're out

01:10:49.620 you are going to prison all of you you are being investigated that's what we're doing now get with

01:10:55.000 the program yeah yeah all right we're going to go to our second commercial break and when we come 0.86

01:10:59.380 back we're going to talk about some of the consequences of women's suffrage okay all right

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01:14:58.820 All right.

01:14:59.660 We want to touch briefly on some of the impact and the fallout of women's suffrage.

01:15:05.460 So we'll do that briefly and we do want to save some time at the end for some questions

01:15:10.220 And we do want to honor our promise to especially the one with the super chat that we mentioned we would touch on earlier.

01:15:16.220 But if you do have questions along this topic, we'll try and get to some of those as well.

01:15:19.720 So you can start putting those in the chat as well.

01:15:22.560 Put question in front of it or you make sure you use proper punctuation with the question mark at the end so that Nathan knows to to market for us later on.

01:15:29.460 Well, obviously, as we are finding out, elections have consequences, and the vote and the passage of the 19th Amendment had consequences as well.

01:15:40.640 And there's a lot of different directions we can go with this.

01:15:43.340 The fact that women were voting gave them the power to vote against their husbands, in part with prohibition, in part with divorce laws.

01:15:52.860 But in general, too, there's a sense where a woman's nature is going to be more compassionate,

01:15:59.680 more focused on tending to the needs rather than administrating justice.

01:16:07.380 And so you can look through history and you can see how largely, and I'm going to quote 1.00

01:16:11.820 a study here in a minute, largely the result of women voting in the public forum and federal 0.99

01:16:18.940 issues and state issues has been we need we see pain well what we need to do now is vote 0.99

01:16:26.220 so that federal or state tax money goes to alleviating that pain right and then what

01:16:33.340 happens unfortunately is that what people who want to push social change all they need to do

01:16:40.720 is convince half the population women that there is an abuse or an oppression or a pain or something

01:16:48.020 like that because a woman's heart is naturally going to go to that and that's beautiful and good 0.89

01:16:51.800 like that we've we've talked about that a lot of times we want moms tending to skin knees and

01:16:57.560 and bruises it's it's beautiful yeah like we should be i feel like we've been clear but let's

01:17:02.380 be clear again um there is nothing about the god-ordained nature of a woman that we despise

01:17:09.380 it's wonderful but what we're saying is that it's only wonderful when it's in its role right it's

01:17:16.360 wonderful uh in the same way that a navy seal is wonderful that's right you know but but but all

01:17:23.040 your navy sealness um is is not you know well unless it's like uh arnold schwarzenator a

01:17:28.840 kindergarten cop did you ever see you know maybe it comes in in handy in a in a you know children

01:17:34.320 kind of situation and defending them but the point is that um a hammer is wonderful for a nail right

01:17:40.600 A screwdriver is wonderful for a screw.

01:17:42.520 You know, a saw is wonderful for making cuts. 1.00

01:17:45.340 So we love women and we love their nature.

01:17:49.600 But that nurturing instinct of someone's in pain and crying out for help and I want to go to them, that is a great instinct for children in your home.

01:18:01.240 That is not a great instinct for going to the voting booth when you have a full-blown invasion at your southern border and a ton of propaganda from liberal media saying, look at this poor AI-generated picture of a little girl being ripped away by ice from her mother.

01:18:19.580 And then all these single, white, college-educated Marxist women go to the voting booth and make terrible decisions, whereas their nature, it is in the right direction. 0.99

01:18:33.160 I know we'll get in trouble with that one, but their nature is in the right direction. 0.97

01:18:36.400 It's just being funneled incorrectly because you take that same concern and sympathy, maybe not so much empathy, but sympathy and nurturing spirit, and you give them three kids.

01:18:47.900 and gosh they're going to be they're going to be doing great yep they're going to be doing great

01:18:52.560 so yeah and this is exactly what has played out a 2002 study in the journal of political economy

01:19:00.600 this is going to be the next quote this is by two researchers named john lott and lawrence kenny

01:19:05.480 and they they found that this was the net result of women entering the the voting pool they said

01:19:14.880 This paper examines the growth of government during this century, so that's the 19th century, as a result of giving women the right to vote.

01:19:22.340 Using cross-sectional time series data for 1870 to 1940, we examined state government expenditures and revenues,

01:19:29.660 as well as voting by U.S. House and Senate state delegations and the passage of a wide range of different state laws.

01:19:37.060 Suffrage coincided with immediate increases in state government expenditures and revenue

01:19:42.400 and more liberal voting patterns for federal representatives 0.99

01:19:45.500 because they were now getting pressure from women to cater and to court the women's vote. 1.00

01:19:51.040 And these effects continued growing over time as more women took advantage of the franchise, 1.00

01:19:55.960 which is of the right to vote.

01:19:57.580 Contrary to many recent suggestions, the gender gap is not something that has arisen since the 1970s.

01:20:04.460 In other words, their point is it arose immediately as soon as women started voting in the late 1800s.

01:20:09.420 And it helps explain why American government started growing when it did.

01:20:14.280 The growth and the increase of government spending, the federal government has, in fact, let me get my quote, let me make sure I'm right here.

01:20:24.160 Within 11 years of the 19th Amendment, per capita government spending had doubled.

01:20:29.920 Federal government spending had doubled.

01:20:31.880 and um women have a tendency historically of voting overwhelmingly for social programs 1.00

01:20:38.420 progressive policies and increase in welfare yeah yeah checks out yep and again it doesn't 0.98

01:20:44.660 mean that women are wicked yep it means that women are kind and generous and nurturing 0.95

01:20:52.040 and those good god-given instincts are wonderful in their proper place but ill-suited for the

01:20:59.380 political realm that i like the way pastor andrew isker has said it he said this in his book boniface

01:21:05.660 option which was a great great book and we even him and myself and ad robles the three of us did

01:21:10.420 a whole series which you can go and you can find on our youtube channel or our website or

01:21:15.100 on patreon you can get all 10 parts it's 10 episodes and the whole thing was me and ad

01:21:20.620 robles and pastor andrew isker covering you know in a 10-part series his entirety of his book

01:21:26.820 boniface option and one of the can't remember which episode it was but one of the episodes in

01:21:31.440 that series covering a portion of his book um we addressed women voting and the way that

01:21:36.660 andrew worded it in the book and then also on that episode that we did together

01:21:40.340 was i think um really well said he just he said that um politics is war politics is war

01:21:48.000 without the bullets every time you have a political disagreement what you're ultimately

01:21:51.880 doing is you're taking two sides of the country on a particular issue and you're rounding up all

01:21:56.760 of your troops right you're rallying your armies and and then what you do is you you march out and

01:22:04.040 meet each other uh for battle but but right when you normally would begin firing bullets and there's

01:22:11.140 a death toll when it's a real hot war instead of doing that you both parties agree both armies

01:22:17.880 agree that instead of actually firing the bullets what we'll do instead is we'll count your army

01:22:23.580 how many men enlisted and we'll count the other army how many men enlisted and the bigger army

01:22:29.860 will go ahead and we'll allow him to win the smaller army will concede and we won't fire a 0.88

01:22:35.840 single shot it's war without the bullets um and it is improper to enlist women in war yeah yep

01:22:43.520 that's the argument and and we lose something we we have lost something beautiful let Nate let's go

01:22:49.480 to the next um quote because i i found this is from from a woman who was was opposed to women's

01:22:55.840 suffrage um and this is ida m tarbell she says all evidence proves that the adoption of women's

01:23:02.520 suffrage brings into evidence the bold obtrusive woman whose conduct cheapens the sex and deprives

01:23:09.440 all other women of a portion of the chivalry and respect which are their birthright yeah when we 0.94

01:23:15.580 think about chivalry we think about the knights but there was also the ladies and they were

01:23:19.940 entitled to being treated a certain way honored in a certain way provided for in a certain way

01:23:25.680 and defended in esteemed in a certain way and what tarbell is saying there is that the women's

01:23:32.400 suffrage has stolen women of that proper obligation that is owed to them as well that was hold dabney 0.88

01:23:38.700 wrote a lot on women's rights because there's feminist movements even then there's a big thrust

01:23:42.860 of his argument he said if you take women and you just flatten the playing field make them equal in

01:23:46.920 all these different stations you're going to subject women to the barbarism that men are

01:23:51.040 typically subject to you're going to return her to a primitive state where she is forced to compete 0.98

01:23:55.680 and do all the drudgery christendom lifted her up christendom esteemed her christendom put her in 1.00

01:24:01.140 the home where she had the light and children all these different things those women's suffrage that 1.00

01:24:04.900 ripped her from that threw her to the rat race and said you're going to go compete here you're 1.00

01:24:09.140 going to work under fluorescent lights for 50 hours a week and use a mechanical breast pump to

01:24:14.040 pump milk for your child you're going to do that yeah yeah yeah no you're absolutely right west

01:24:18.660 that's really well said like that's compelling um and in that it was christian that really

01:24:24.120 provided the barriers the boundaries um that allowed not only for a woman a woman's flourishing

01:24:29.960 her health her prosperity but we could also include in that her beauty according to what

01:24:35.060 god considers to be beautiful first peter i believe it's chapter three that says you know that

01:24:39.460 the imperishable beauty that which is beautiful in the sight of god is the inward beauty of the

01:24:46.360 heart and then god further he gives further specification of what that looks like what are

01:24:50.820 the characteristics of a imperishable inward beauty for a woman a beauty of the heart and he

01:24:56.820 defines it by two primary characteristics a quiet and gentle spirit and when you throw women into

01:25:04.120 a man's domain um you you take away the the shield and and the the the providence the protection

01:25:13.340 the barrier that allows for them to embody beauty and you rip that away from them and you basically

01:25:19.180 do the opposite you say um you you know beauty is a luxury it is and that luxury is no longer

01:25:25.140 afforded to you in fact we're stripping it away and uh and now in order to survive you have to be

01:25:31.060 anything but beautiful you have to be snarky delicate right you have to be in the public 0.85

01:25:36.740 sphere you now have to be um not not beautiful and filled with grace but you need to be polemical 0.85

01:25:42.360 you need to be snarky you need to be a beast you need to be a warrior you need to be a beast a 0.60

01:25:46.520 boss babe you need to be bombastic you need to be aggressive be aggressive and so that's why you see 1.00

01:25:52.120 even you know allegedly conservative female podcasters in the public sphere if it's not 1.00

01:25:57.440 something that's distinctly for women in the domestic feminine context right it's one thing 1.00

01:26:02.220 when lexi silvey does a podcast one day a week not five from her home audio only not driving into 1.00

01:26:10.380 the studio after the kids are already tucked into bed with her husband about cleaning supplies

01:26:16.560 that's just right to that one like bright heart that's just different can we all admit that is

01:26:21.540 different than five times a week um going into the studio leaving the home during the day um

01:26:28.940 and and then doing a podcast that yeah a lot of your audience are female listeners but but but

01:26:35.140 in terms of the topic of what you're addressing it's um cultural it's political it's far beyond

01:26:40.120 just the domestic realm of the home for women and you're even engaging with men who we would all

01:26:46.040 agree are wicked men who need to be put in their place but but you're now you're you're polemically

01:26:52.400 right aggressively polemically um uh with uh confrontation you're confronting you know men

01:26:59.980 like joe biden or like truly wicked men but um but you're a woman doing that and and there's

01:27:05.440 there's nothing quiet and gentle about it and therefore i mean call me old-fashioned but i 0.88

01:27:11.240 believe the bible and if the bible says that what the characteristics that are defining of true

01:27:16.780 feminine beauty is quiet and gentleness and you're now i don't see quiet and gentleness as being

01:27:22.900 compatible with being um polemical in the public square right i don't think that you can do both

01:27:29.440 you gotta pick you gotta pick right you can't you can't do both and so what we've done by leveling 0.73

01:27:35.920 the playing field by making uh women equal is we've made women ugly yep it's funny my um 0.80

01:27:42.920 this was a while ago but my my brother posted on social media um it was long enough ago that 0.93

01:27:50.400 it may have been facebook um he said something about uh liberal women why are liberal women

01:27:56.280 always ugly and a friend of a mutual friend of ours who's who's more liberal said how dare you 0.98

01:28:03.300 like um he he said something about physical appearance he said i i know lots of beautiful 0.97

01:28:08.900 like attractive uh liberal women um and my brother said it's interesting to me that you assumed that 1.00

01:28:15.940 i was just talking about face shape or eye shape or whatever i'm saying they are ugly people and 0.88

01:28:21.060 a lot of them happen to be physically ugly as well right but they're they they are they're

01:28:25.180 unattractive people they're unbeautiful people in the truest sense in the truest sense and my

01:28:31.420 Nate, I'm going to go to the last quote.

01:28:32.800 I'm going to skip the ones before that in the graph.

01:28:35.460 This is a more recent comment from a feminist at Stanford who was talking about the end

01:28:41.960 goal of feminism and women's suffrage, what they're going for.

01:28:47.240 This was on the anniversary.

01:28:48.500 So this was in 2020.

01:28:49.920 She was writing about 100 years of women's suffrage.

01:28:53.560 And she was saying, making the case that women's suffrage was just a stop on the train. 0.92

01:29:00.160 We need to make sure we keep the train moving along down the track.

01:29:03.380 And so this is how she analyzed women's suffrage in the broader scheme of quote-unquote progress.

01:29:10.740 This is Estelle Friedman. She's a Stanford professor.

01:29:13.420 She said this,

01:29:14.040 In our time, we witnessed women of color taking the lead and identifying the intersections of race and gender,

01:29:21.020 whether in Black Lives Matter, reproductive justice, or environmental movements.

01:29:25.340 Gender runs through all of these. Race runs through all of them.

01:29:27.880 Our humanity runs through all of them.

01:29:29.480 and we can never separate entirely any one cause from another. 1.00

01:29:33.740 Feminism has to expand to question all social hierarchies 1.00

01:29:39.920 to truly achieve what it professes. 1.00

01:29:43.060 This has been the goal.

01:29:44.260 This is why, even though we are saying carefully here

01:29:49.800 that we want a whole reconsideration of what it means to vote in our nation,

01:29:56.260 right, like we are starting with removing the vote.

01:29:59.480 from women that's that would be the the beginning point because the goal from the beginning has been 0.99

01:30:04.940 the destruction of hierarchy the leveling of the playing field and the disordering of nature 1.00

01:30:11.200 i do have to just give one caveat with voting patterns and stuff you can slice it by gender

01:30:16.100 but race is a big one if it was kamala and trump and only white women voted they actually would

01:30:20.800 have elected trump and this would be comparison to all other racial groups so there are disparities 0.95

01:30:24.680 even in that and that's some of that professor's getting at she's saying that black women have

01:30:28.920 been the ones that have led a lot of progressive movements and vote overwhelmingly in the 90 1.00

01:30:34.460 percent democrat like 92 93 yeah if it was only white single women kamala would have been elected 1.00

01:30:41.140 yes right um but but white women not just white if it's white married women definitely trump in 1.00

01:30:46.480 a landslide if it's uh white single women kamala in a landslide if it's white women both married 0.97

01:30:52.120 and single it still falls for trump yep yep and it's closer than what if it was like white men 1.00

01:30:57.420 only so men versus women of the same race yep women are less conservative less republican but

01:31:03.140 still all said and done yep it would be trumped by a little bit yeah that's true okay well let's 0.63

01:31:09.840 move into some questions then yeah and uh and then we'll we'll land the plane here great so we want

01:31:14.880 to start with that super chat from the beginning i'll read it again um this is from ben huffsteadler

01:31:19.960 He says, how do you suggest talking to new age, quote unquote, Christian males regarding

01:31:27.400 a proper Christian woman, conduct, head covering, submission, et cetera?

01:31:31.420 Side note. 0.99

01:31:32.320 Oh, yeah.

01:31:32.940 OK, that's the one.

01:31:33.900 So the difficulty of a bunch of men who have been so indoctrinated with the feminism, how

01:31:40.140 do you begin to talk to them about proper submission, proper roles of women, men, et

01:31:44.940 cetera?

01:31:45.160 this is a tough one because i've been thinking about in the back of my mind the whole episode

01:31:49.120 i have ideas but go for it all right um the tough thing with men you back a man in the corner and

01:31:56.440 you'd be like listen bucko this is what you got to do or like like confrontation like it rarely

01:32:00.720 works especially in the moment um there is something to be said for you know mentioning

01:32:05.420 it when when it comes up like oh you know you're looking to date or whatever have you looked for a

01:32:08.960 woman that will be supportive and take care of your children at home so certainly working it in

01:32:13.460 without it being confrontational i think a big way though is them seeing it modeled so you could 0.98

01:32:18.200 explain in theory to a man what a woman's submission looks like what her care for the home her love for

01:32:23.520 her children you could explain all of it you could even show pictures and video but also just having

01:32:28.360 someone over for dinner and them seeing you as the man seated at the head of the table your wife

01:32:32.900 would you love and care for but the way she defers to you respect you him looking at that assuming

01:32:37.940 he's unmarried assuming he's kind of a new age christian and then he's looking at that he's like

01:32:41.840 wow because it's it's nature men by nature god has made nature patriarchal and so men by nature

01:32:48.000 can recognize oh that that seems like the appropriate fitting status for a man that he's

01:32:54.440 gracious and kind but he does rule and he is the head of his home and so as much as he if you're

01:33:00.720 probably ministering to someone or discipling them as much as they can be in a context where

01:33:05.440 they see a loving submissive godly woman respecting her husband caring for her children

01:33:10.720 is going to model probably more than most books, articles, podcasts, videos will do.

01:33:17.320 So work in where you can the actual information, like here's what the church used to think,

01:33:21.240 here's how we used to conceive of this, but then model it as well.

01:33:24.580 And I would add on to that, just saying, if he's in a church, if the men of the church,

01:33:30.480 not their only topic of conversation, but if it's coming up in their conversation,

01:33:33.900 how do I not just serve my family, how do I rule my family, how do I lead my family,

01:33:37.780 If that's part of what the men in the church are talking about, that is going to come across.

01:33:44.260 If that's the kind of books that they're reading, if the pastor is preaching that way.

01:33:48.720 Wes, you're right, though.

01:33:49.560 It really is part of the community of the church and the culture of the church.

01:33:55.420 And some of this is not going to be worked out of guys until they're placed in a situation where they see it modeled, they hear it talked about,

01:34:04.180 And then they begin to try it and they realize, oh, okay, I actually need to grow myself.

01:34:09.200 I need to be more assertive.

01:34:11.100 I need to be more decision-making.

01:34:12.720 I need to be more responsible.

01:34:14.720 I need to be more protective.

01:34:16.900 I mean, I think that one of the reasons why men like complementarianism and egalitarianism

01:34:24.060 is it absolves them of the responsibility.

01:34:27.160 And so the only other thing that I would say is a call to true responsibility, not a fake

01:34:32.260 responsibility of you may need to make sure that you're doing the dishes every night true

01:34:36.880 responsibility men are gonna that's gonna resound with men like think ahead plan for your family

01:34:43.520 consider the needs of your wife your wife and your children like be proactive um it you were

01:34:49.340 calling them to something higher we're not just bashing them over the head with what they're doing

01:34:53.480 wrong yeah that's good cool billiott we hit this one a little bit the relationship with the

01:34:59.880 prohibition in the 19th amendment yes absolutely they were closely interlinked these movements

01:35:04.580 were going out at the same time communism socialism all these different things temperance

01:35:08.080 and that were closely linked and and part of it was also um i've read that you know part of um

01:35:13.620 the temperance movement prohibition was uh that that's that you know the pub was you know because

01:35:20.360 they didn't have social media those kind of things so in a lot of ways the pub was kind of the public

01:35:25.100 square you think of like the inklings you know you yeah yeah you think of like tolkien and lewis

01:35:30.320 and stuff and like that's where a lot of the ideas uh would formulate and guys would sharpen

01:35:35.800 one another and and you know sometimes even you know organize in a formal sense but but you know

01:35:41.000 regularly in an informal sense organically you would have ideas presented debated sharpened and

01:35:47.100 then from that place eventually trickling down and being um patronage networks yeah and being

01:35:52.340 applied you know in in the public square at large but a lot of it it all circulated around men

01:35:58.300 high caliber leading men um who were sharpening uh like iron sharpens iron with one another and

01:36:05.120 typically ordinarily we're doing that in the physical context of a pub right and so by shutting

01:36:10.620 down all the pubs um you were basically shutting down um the place where men gathered right and uh 0.69

01:36:18.000 And so it was, so yeah, so the suffrage movement had a vested interest beyond just whatever moral issues there might be circulating with alcohol to say, we don't want our husbands leaving the home and spending time with one another.

01:36:35.440 which i would say real quick as just a pastoral application for um women today especially young

01:36:41.500 wives and this doesn't any longer relate to pubs or at least not exclusively but um it's vital

01:36:49.020 that you allow your husband to leave the home on occasion he needs to be present we're not saying

01:36:55.640 always um but this idea of like your husband saying um like i've heard guys say this you know

01:37:01.900 like, uh, it's good to be a man, you know, said, um, a lot of people I remember got really upset.

01:37:07.020 They were like, I can't believe that this was said. Um, you know, cause they, you know, the

01:37:11.060 authors pushed back a little bit against the idea of a man's wife being his best friend. He said,

01:37:16.920 no. Um, and it's not to degrade my wife. My wife is in a position that is vastly superior to the

01:37:24.000 position of my best friend. She's my wife. Wife is, is above best friend. Um, but no, I have

01:37:30.700 friendships with men it doesn't mean i don't enjoy my wife or love my wife and i'm not even saying i

01:37:36.720 necessarily agree i remember even when i read it was like well i mean i know what they're getting

01:37:41.420 at and i certainly am not clutching my pearls i don't think i think it was completely it was

01:37:45.680 either right and good and helpful at best and at worst it was yeah you know that ain't it you know

01:37:52.080 and benign certainly wasn't something for people to lose their minds with but but they did oh they

01:37:56.540 did um but anyways the point is still true so whether it's not whether wife is is best friend

01:38:03.020 or not in either case she's certainly not she may be your best friend but i can at least say this

01:38:08.540 definitively she better not be your only friend she better not be your only friend there are many

01:38:13.660 such cases there are many such cases oh my goodness and part of the reason there are many

01:38:17.380 such cases is because men sometimes are pretty lousy at friendship but also um because it's

01:38:24.640 weird but like sometimes what like like young young women who are married please listen to me

01:38:30.060 i'm not beating you up please listen i'm trying to give you some pastoral counsel for just a moment

01:38:34.540 um you want your husband to have friendships and i don't know what it is but i've seen it

01:38:40.800 in my pastoral ministry where there's like this weird jealousy like almost like he's having an

01:38:45.940 affair by going to a guy's night right you know and it's like no no no he is um no you

01:38:54.340 have his allegiance you have his devotion his fidelity his love he is not betraying you by going

01:39:00.740 and spending time with men it's like well why doesn't he want to spend time with me because

01:39:04.180 you're not a man it's different right it's different and he's not in the modern work

01:39:09.360 environment he spends nine to five around a bunch of women exactly his work is surrounded by women

01:39:14.200 and even if it's with men it's still governed and dominated by female sensibilities female 1.00

01:39:19.940 you know the the cackling hens of hr you know it's all it's all just our entire world is a female 1.00

01:39:26.460 longhouse so to allow him once a week or once a month even to get out of the feminine longhouse 1.00

01:39:34.120 for for a couple hours and go smoke a cigar with some guys or whatever it is um to talk and because

01:39:42.500 you know what men end up doing in those contexts it's like well there there's nothing productive

01:39:47.040 they're just no no it's it's only productive it is only productive guys do not get together and

01:39:52.480 talk about the weather we don't we get together and we're talking about philosophy and politics

01:39:58.460 and theology it's like the gk chesterton quote where um he says you know people always say um

01:40:03.540 you can talk about anything except for politics and and uh religion he says i talk about nothing

01:40:08.600 but politics and religion because there's nothing else worth talking about yeah and that's what men

01:40:12.940 do um you know and they get together and they talk about those kinds of things and and they

01:40:19.100 throw out ideas and then and then another man in a truly you know masculine fashion will say 0.92

01:40:23.760 that's dumb no that's dumb you know and then it'll be like well why is it dumb you know and 0.91

01:40:28.680 then they start to hash it out and then you know three other guys they pipe in you know and and 0.99

01:40:34.540 then and then you go back the group chat yeah and then you go back to your wife and your kids

01:40:40.320 and you kind of are pondering and thinking about it over the next few weeks and then you do it

01:40:44.220 again and they're all being sharpened and being shaped and and being bettered it so it's it's a

01:40:50.460 really good thing so uh all that being said uh wives especially young wives um start the habit

01:40:55.580 early uh do not be threatened by your husband having male friends yeah i do want to hit jenny

01:41:02.660 weston just said i don't know maybe where he or she is coming from with this the pubs also sent

01:41:07.400 drunken men home to beat their wives and having spent his paycheck to starving children alcohol

01:41:11.880 was a scourge on england and america in the early days there was a lot of drunkenness and violence

01:41:18.400 and you read they they had really grappled with what do you do with men stumbling drunk in the

01:41:23.740 street every night violent railing abusive like those are real problems and so the temperance

01:41:29.180 movement part of it was of course like the the men are getting together and i don't like it

01:41:33.300 and then some real problems of how do you address all of these workers that are drunk blind on a

01:41:38.000 daily basis and and that's that is a difficult problem to address by the civil magistrate but

01:41:44.240 it would seem the 19th amendment was not or what the 17th think oh the prohibition um was not the

01:41:51.240 way to do it so there were real concerns and i understand the problem you have when hundreds of

01:41:54.680 thousands of men well it's kind of like civil rights right so it's like were there real racists

01:41:58.940 and were jim crow laws unjust and those yeah sure um but but to have a legislative order

01:42:05.360 and and a de facto pseudo new constitution that that effectively replaced the actual

01:42:12.080 constitution of the united states that then became the beachhead to ram through alphabet soup you

01:42:17.820 know lgbt lmnop rights and everybody says well i i'm in that amendment too you know i'm i find

01:42:23.740 myself here and i i'm an oppressed minority and i'm an oppressed minority um no something needed

01:42:29.760 to happen there really was um not just marxism you know made-up sin racism but actual animus

01:42:36.060 unjustifiable hatred on the basis of ethnicity there were really were not not necessarily

01:42:42.740 everyone by any stretch but there were some cases of that but there were ways to combat that

01:42:47.900 without coming up with a set of laws that replaced our nation's constitution and paved

01:42:58.100 legislatively the way for all the the wokeness that we see today if you don't like wokeness

01:43:04.240 you should question the civil rights movement you should yep okay all right can we see that

01:43:10.500 we have a few more super chats that we want to make sure we hit um so bj wins it bjj wins

01:43:17.700 again oh no above that sorry 80s nostalgia guy ten dollars thanks 80s um he says do you believe 0.92

01:43:24.080 that female christian teachers on youtube are trying to find a loophole to be able to teach

01:43:28.720 men many of these women have thousands of followers both men and women and teach theology

01:43:35.040 i can speak to that i'll try to do it concise i'd be disappointed if you didn't seven words in i was

01:43:39.760 like yes i don't even know what you're going to finish this with i agree um so so this is what i

01:43:43.860 think um so i actually am going to go with no um i'm going to give the benefit that i so to again

01:43:50.120 the question to be fair to the question do you believe that female christian teachers so they're

01:43:54.660 christian and they're female on youtube are trying to find a loophole to be able to teach men so

01:43:59.780 we're weighing in i actually motives so we think our motives exactly so um number one we're in the

01:44:04.940 realm of speculation so it's already we're on you know we're on um thin ice you know um so so i can't

01:44:11.020 say anything definitively but if you're asking me my my best guess i would actually say no i i don't

01:44:16.860 think that they're doing it because they want um because they're trying to find a loophole to teach

01:44:21.660 men i think they're just they just want to teach they just want to talk they have opinions i don't

01:44:26.620 think they're like i really really hope that this many men tune into my podcast this week because i

01:44:31.560 really actually want to shape men no i think they just they want to have a podcast they want to be

01:44:36.700 a celebrity they want to be famous they want to they have ideas they have a dream they want to

01:44:40.940 have a voice they want to have a platform and i think that they actually would be genuinely

01:44:45.100 um content if uh if it turned out that their um entire audience was 100 female so long as it was

01:44:53.840 still a relatively large audience i think they really would honest to god be content at the end

01:44:58.180 of the day if they found out here's the metrics um you have a podcast that's followed by a million

01:45:03.020 people it's successful it's large you're you're a micro celebrity um and it's 100 women i don't

01:45:10.340 think they i think they would love that they'd be like great so i really don't think it's that

01:45:13.800 they want to teach men i think it's just that they want to be in the public square and publicly teach

01:45:19.860 um here's here's the only thing that i disagree and this has been my position for

01:45:24.240 multiple years at this point i've said it before but i'll say it again 0.97

01:45:28.400 titus two because people always say well then what's the problem with that right older women

01:45:32.680 get to teach younger women. The Bible allows for that, women teaching women. And if men are tuning 0.95

01:45:37.620 in, that's not their fault. They're not making men tune into the podcast, so they can't be held

01:45:42.860 responsible for that. I'm with you. I hear you. Here's the difference. This is where your normally

01:45:48.740 kind of complementarian, Calvinistic, Titus 2 respecter, alleged respecter, is like, Joel,

01:45:56.320 I don't see the problem. Why are you being so extreme? Because my exegesis of Titus 2,

01:46:02.600 which I do believe is a historic exegesis, I don't think it's extreme. I think it is the

01:46:07.520 correct position. Is it when the Apostle Paul says that older women should train younger women 0.97

01:46:13.620 and teach them the good, that that headline right there, the good, that older women are to teach

01:46:20.940 younger women is not a blank canvas for anything that you want to include in that bucket, but that 0.97

01:46:28.260 the good, right, that's the overarching, like, so what class are women teaching? They're teaching 1.00

01:46:32.720 a class called the good, okay? And what's the curriculum for this class that they're teaching

01:46:38.500 to women, the good? Well, Paul actually then begins to list it out. So, I don't think it's,

01:46:43.940 they can teach anything that you might relatively be able to consider good.

01:46:48.300 no i think paul then actually specifies what the good is and here's the deal it all has to do with

01:46:56.020 the home it's um he then says the good and what does that look like what is the good being obedient

01:47:02.260 to their husbands lovers of children uh not uh given to gossip and slander or much wine um he

01:47:10.740 lists all these things but what they all have in common is they're all intrinsically applicable

01:47:17.560 they're not abstract they're not general they're very specific and applicable to the fair sex to

01:47:25.620 feminine sensibilities so even on on the prohibition side of avoiding gossip or slander

01:47:32.360 it's um avoiding sins that men can commit men men are not um immune to slander in the same way that

01:47:39.840 men aren't immune to being deceived people right now are losing their minds they can't i've never

01:47:44.260 said that men can't be deceived i've said that in general women are more susceptible i believe

01:47:50.400 to deception than men of course men can be deceived but the question is in general

01:47:56.080 when paul roots as his argument for male headship he doesn't just cite the order of creation that

01:48:04.500 man was formed first and that woman was formed from man and for man but he also cites not just

01:48:11.480 the order of creation but the order of the fall that woman fell first and that in her fall both

01:48:17.560 the order of the fall she fell first and the nature of her fall the man sinned knowingly

01:48:23.440 with his eyes wide open the woman sinned after having been deceived and so you're making excuses

01:48:29.680 for the man no his moral culpability is greater the fact that he sinned knowingly only makes him

01:48:36.840 all the more guilty not less so i'm not it's not an argument about guilt if anything adam is more

01:48:42.620 guilty on two accounts number one his position the position of headship and authority he bears

01:48:48.200 a greater responsibility more responsibility that comes with authority number two not just his

01:48:53.040 position but the nature of his sin he sinned knowingly he sinned with his eyes wide open

01:48:58.220 in pure defiance of what god had spoken so adam both in terms of his position having sinned and

01:49:05.320 the nature of how he sinned, he bears greater responsibility, not lesser. However, when Paul

01:49:12.500 is constructing this argument, it's all within the context—this is 1 Timothy 2 now, not Titus 2—all

01:49:17.700 within the context of why a woman should not lead. And it's two prohibitions, not just one.

01:49:24.640 It's not conflated into one. She cannot teach men or have authority over men. Not teach with 1.00

01:49:29.680 authority, one prohibition, but teach or authority over men. And when Paul gives these two prohibitions

01:49:35.980 for women, authority over men or teaching over men, he cites both the order of creation, but also

01:49:42.340 the order of the fall. So all I'm doing in my theology is I'm simply including both, not just

01:49:49.000 one, but both of the arguments that scripture makes. Because what Paul does is he then says,

01:49:54.760 why? Why can a woman not exercise authority over a man or teach over a man? Well, because of the 0.99

01:50:00.820 order of creation, the natural created order. But also, if that's where it stopped, then that's

01:50:06.100 where it stopped. But that's not where Paul stops. He goes on, he says, also, not just the order of

01:50:10.280 creation, woman made from man, that is, man formed first, woman second, from man and for man as a

01:50:16.560 helpmate, her purpose, her telos. But then, beyond that, not just the order of creation, but the

01:50:21.860 order of the fall she fell first created second but fallen first and the manner in which she fell

01:50:28.260 the nature of the fall she fell um with her eyes closed adam fell with his eyes wide open this

01:50:35.500 doesn't mean that adam is absolved of guilt if anything his guilt is increased and i would argue

01:50:40.400 it is but what it does mean is that the woman was more susceptible to being deceived can you find

01:50:46.340 one individual woman who is less easily deceived than one individual man of course in fact you

01:50:52.180 could do it with thousands i have no doubt but we're talking about group dynamics generalities

01:50:57.860 in general in general men are physically stronger than women likewise in general i believe that men

01:51:04.240 are less susceptible to deception than women and i'm basing that off of experience statistics

01:51:10.940 studies and most importantly scripture and one of the qualities i believe because that the whole

01:51:16.960 context is in the context of leadership one of the qualities for good leadership is having being

01:51:22.060 at a higher degree of being impervious towards deception so now all that back to to now titus

01:51:29.540 chapter two a woman can she cannot teach or exercise authority over a man she can older women 0.99

01:51:36.500 can teach women. But even the what, not just what they can do, but what are the contents

01:51:44.580 and the parameters of her teaching, it's all feminine and domestic. So even the sins 0.95

01:51:52.200 against gossip or slander, can men commit these sins? Can men gossip? Yes, I have gossiped.

01:51:59.900 Can men be deceived? Yes, I have been deceived. But in generalities, are men as notorious,

01:52:08.440 as notoriously deceived as women? I would argue no. Scripture, more importantly, who cares about

01:52:13.560 Joel? Scripture would argue no. No. Are men as notorious or as known for gossip as women? No.

01:52:22.120 So even a woman's teaching, the curriculum is specified, and it's the good things to esteem, submission to husbands, lovers of children, and the bad things, the prohibitions to avoid. 0.64

01:52:38.020 And even on that side, it's not just sin in general. 0.96

01:52:41.400 It's specific sins.

01:52:42.620 And which sins? 0.99

01:52:43.680 The ones that tend to be more common among women, which means that a woman can teach, not men, but women. 0.78

01:52:51.540 if she has a podcast and men happen to tune in that's not her fault but if it is a podcast

01:52:57.100 for teaching women and the kind of teaching that is actually actually permissible in scripture for

01:53:03.780 a woman to teach women with then it's going to be teaching a woman teaching women about womanly

01:53:09.000 things i'll say that again it's not just well as long as it's a woman teaching other women then we

01:53:14.220 can teach whatever we want that's not what titus 2 says it's there's there's a third requirement 1.00

01:53:19.100 A woman can teach if she's teaching women, but also if she's a woman teaching women about womanly things. And so if you're doing a podcast that is directed towards women 50% of the time, 60% of the time, but still has on a regular basis, not gentle and quiet characteristics, but bombastic, snarky, sarcastic, polemical aspects in the public square,

01:53:49.100 where you're belittling men, you're actually going to war, politics is war, against men,

01:53:54.920 exercising a polemic against men, and it doesn't have really anything to do with the domestic

01:54:00.660 feminine space, then that's not Titus 2. So all that back to the super chat. Do you believe that

01:54:07.360 female Christian teachers on YouTube are trying to find a loophole to be able to teach men? My 0.99

01:54:11.920 answer is no. I don't think that they're in their heart of hearts. They're trying to be sneaky

01:54:17.120 because they really want to teach thousands of men.

01:54:20.000 But what I do think is they just want to teach.

01:54:23.100 And they actually are perfectly content 0.98

01:54:24.680 if their audience is exclusively made up of women.

01:54:28.380 But the problem is not that they don't want to teach women.

01:54:31.900 I think they do want to teach women,

01:54:33.060 but they don't want to teach women things pertaining to women. 0.76

01:54:37.640 And that, I think, is also prescribed by Scripture.

01:54:40.000 Not just that you must teach women,

01:54:41.520 but you must teach women womanly things.

01:54:44.360 and that's the part where i think they are finding a loophole and that's where i as respectfully as i

01:54:50.920 can disagree yeah fair enough we have two more super chats uh west you want to read the middle

01:54:56.960 one and then i'll read the last one uh bjj wins again thanks so much for the super chat if slash

01:55:01.980 when does a widow become the head of a house and vote actually like we were talking about it like 0.99

01:55:07.420 the only ones that would vote would be white men they'd be proper owners and uh i would still stick

01:55:12.140 to that and so even a man that wasn't married for instance i would still say it would be men that

01:55:16.240 owned property or citizens of the land real quick when you say you would stick to that

01:55:20.100 i i won't speak for you i'll just speak for myself but i think you will agree

01:55:23.640 that in america as it is today heritage america means something however that would not be it

01:55:30.240 would be predominantly white but it would not be exclusively white so if i was king for a day and

01:55:33.980 i think west would agree um we would not limit it to white men but we would limit it to free men

01:55:38.740 and the free citizens the modern day application of that would be free citizens um also i would

01:55:45.260 argue maybe free from debt not reliant on welfare or taxpayer you know um supplements and uh and

01:55:51.820 property owning and um and their family men yep exactly and if a black man meets those qualifications 0.70

01:55:57.460 and many would then go for free citizens that would be property owning i think you still stick

01:56:03.840 to it i don't think it's at least for me and maybe you would disagree joel i don't think it's the

01:56:07.520 idea of like there's this head of the household and then sometimes it's men sometimes it's women

01:56:11.060 i think just men decide the direction of society and if there is a woman that in god's providence

01:56:15.700 becomes a widow for one we're talking about a tiny amount of women that wouldn't even be able 0.99

01:56:20.080 to enact or repeal legislation right very small percentage and you say wouldn't be a a formidable 0.99

01:56:26.260 voting block we just say you will be represented by the civil fathers so that's what i would say 0.90

01:56:31.340 i would say at a voting level there would be no situation where a widow would rise to that level

01:56:35.720 she'd be taken care of by the civic fathers the familial fathers support the church fathers even

01:56:40.400 as they care for widows that were in the church to wash the feet of the saints and all of that 0.86

01:56:43.800 that would be my position right because really you only come down to the widow is is like well

01:56:48.400 there's no one to represent her and but i think what you're saying and i i think i agree is no

01:56:53.340 but in god's economy she actually still does have representation she still has even if she doesn't

01:56:58.220 have an earthly father a familial father or a familial husband um she's still outside of the

01:57:04.300 sphere of the household she still actually does have male representation um she has um she has

01:57:11.040 ecclesiastical fathers her her pastors um she has civil fathers right her representative still

01:57:16.720 represents her yeah she doesn't get to so she still therefore has a voice and people who are

01:57:21.780 advocating for her and the lesson from first timothy four is that in general and not in general

01:57:27.380 in almost all of the situations where something like that happens a woman ought to try to find

01:57:32.580 male headship to come under if she's a young widow and no children she should probably go 1.00

01:57:38.360 back to her father's house and be represented by her father if she has older children maybe she 0.98

01:57:43.440 is now represented in a sense by her oldest son if she's very old she's an elderly widow 0.52

01:57:49.180 she's probably not remarrying but even there she is uh like you said wes represented by her civil

01:57:55.300 fathers and even her church fathers who are going to consider her need in their voting for public

01:58:01.460 issues yep so alicia i think walk yep super chat ten dollars very kind thank you thank you

01:58:09.180 fellow 1689 love to see it homeschooling family my children instinctively boo when they hear the

01:58:14.620 name susan b anthony fantastic love to hear it would you consider making a t-shirt that says

01:58:19.260 repeal the 19th make america patriarchal again i would buy the t-shirt i would buy the t-shirt

01:58:25.340 and um i would wear it around the house

01:58:29.100 i would uh if i wasn't preaching that week i might wear it to church but probably not because

01:58:37.440 i was still under the suit under the suit yeah under the suit yep um you gotta you gotta dress

01:58:42.020 nice for church um but there you know when i go out in public shopping for instance it's like what 0.95

01:58:49.620 i thought you were patriarchal doesn't your wife do the shopping yes but occasionally we have to

01:58:53.840 cooked brisket or steaks and i can't say who's gonna pick my wife with that right exactly there

01:58:58.900 have been times i'm like all right babe look and we like literally we we will we will take like

01:59:03.000 half an hour and i'll be showing her pictures you know on the on this exact cut this you know like

01:59:08.380 very specific you want to look for marbling here in this right but if i have time you know like

01:59:12.400 for meat i i'll go and do that shopping it's not beneath me i'd love to serve my wife in that

01:59:17.500 regard servant leadership right um and so uh but yeah if i'm going to the store if i'm going to

01:59:22.560 heb herbert e butts god bless him um that that is his name and heb dude i just saw a video of a guy

01:59:28.860 who like it's constantly uncovering all the you know the soy and red red dye six and stuff and he

01:59:34.860 and people were telling him and telling him and telling him because heb is like a texas thing it's

01:59:38.540 not necessarily nationwide and they're like please do a review of heb so he finally went and he did

01:59:43.440 a review and he's like guys it's fantastic and he rips everything apart he was like there are more

01:59:49.400 um private family owned instead of a major like everything you go to syrup you go to butter you

01:59:55.840 go to there is a private family owned texas owned option for virtually every single food in the

02:00:02.700 store and then when you look at the ingredients on the back some of them aren't great but um none

02:00:07.180 of them are like what you would find at kroger or you'd find oh yeah and he was just like this

02:00:11.440 is incredible so anyways it love heb i'm a texan um but if i go to heb i'm not wearing that shirt

02:00:18.200 because but what you are doing is you're facetiming me if you should buy a 100

02:00:22.880 dollar ham bone for the kitchen counter you know where you face time

02:00:26.660 with my family those things are good you know and my wife is just rolling her eyes and she was not

02:00:36.260 being particularly submissive that day but uh she's rolling her eyes as i'm on facetime in the

02:00:40.980 middle of the store you know holding my son franklin and we're looking at this what was it

02:00:45.080 it's a serrano ham where it comes with a knife and a stand and you don't have to refrigerate

02:00:51.180 you just put it on the counter you're like what can i put this on the counter for six weeks and

02:00:54.780 just be eating ham off of it constantly right but i had no concept i had no concept of the price it

02:00:59.580 was like 140 bucks but it lasts a long time so i asked you exactly i asked you i was like is this

02:01:04.600 worth 140 which was a bad idea because wes was like of course yeah yeah of course

02:01:08.660 Okay, any other?

02:01:14.040 We just had one last super chat come in.

02:01:16.560 So from Michael, thank you very much.

02:01:18.160 $1.99.

02:01:19.040 Appreciate you very much.

02:01:20.280 Who gets to vote in Mr. Mom-style houses?

02:01:22.520 Nobody.

02:01:24.880 You forfeited.

02:01:26.220 Again, you have to throw the caveat.

02:01:27.740 If this is a situation where he's confined to bed or something like that.

02:01:32.220 There are certain circumstances.

02:01:34.380 Let me just say, this is the mark of an intellectually unserious individual.

02:01:38.660 if you take the exception and they continually bring up you take a pattern they continually bring

02:01:43.320 up the exception they are demonstrating that they are not capable of extrapolating averages

02:01:48.880 means medians all of these things patterns across time and space they can't do it well i know a

02:01:56.020 quadriplegic or i know a woman who can bench more okay you are just you're intellectually you're

02:01:59.440 not in the same league here love you that's great the big boys are going to make laws now no that's

02:02:03.920 right the person who always um always tries to um play the devil's advocate ultimately to um

02:02:11.880 stopping any progress that conservatives might actually achieve by bringing up the exception

02:02:17.240 um is is not a serious person you don't have to be mean towards them or hostile but um but yeah

02:02:23.200 they they don't get to um they can be in the car they don't get to drive that that because

02:02:28.220 conceptually that's exactly how we got here if you hate progressivism you have to recognize that

02:02:34.820 um their number one play you know like like you know give the ball to the tailback and run them

02:02:39.820 up the middle like the the number one most common play that was done again and again that got us

02:02:44.200 to our current juncture here in these united states was um pointing to the exception right

02:02:49.440 so no child left behind you know like um well americans with disabilities act right so exactly

02:02:53.900 so we've got you know we've got some people um you know uh some ninth graders can't read and so

02:02:59.260 what's the solution well now no ninth grade is going to get to read you know and it's just

02:03:03.820 bringing everything down to the lowest common denominator that's how they achieved equality

02:03:09.120 so they they that's how the leftists worked it was they said but um well this may sound good but

02:03:15.060 it's not really uh loving because uh we can point to this that's what they did even with

02:03:19.820 transgenderism right right wasn't that the play they said well but even in nature not just with

02:03:24.520 surgery but in nature there's the 0.00001 so there's these incredibly rare cases that do 0.89

02:03:33.740 naturally occur and because of that now um when you go to target uh your wife and your daughter

02:03:42.600 if they have to use the restroom a dude might be in there with them right so yeah like have you

02:03:49.260 noticed too like all the advertising it's always like just real quick if you're a conservative if

02:03:52.960 you're neil shimby i'm just gonna if you're neil shimby and you're using the same kind of

02:03:57.200 argumentation that was used for transgenderism then yeah like just be honest and don't say oh 0.51

02:04:03.320 they're you know i'm conservative but they're the woke right just be honest and say i'm not a

02:04:07.000 conservative i'm a liberal you're not a leftist either i'm not going to be hyperbolic neil shimby

02:04:11.220 is not a leftist but just say i'm a liberal and i really like the 20th century and i want to stay

02:04:16.820 there yeah so the thing is it it it does require a specific time type of discernment and wisdom

02:04:23.640 and you want you know so you've got let's say you've got a family in the church who their child

02:04:29.840 is born with klinefelter syndrome like you do need in the in the particulars you need people

02:04:34.980 who are wise and um can bring discernment and biblical principles to those issues but you don't

02:04:42.240 apply those to the macro scale and use that to make all so so it's not that we don't care about

02:04:48.440 actual exceptions but those those are so exceptional that they need to be approached

02:04:53.960 on a case-by-case basis that's right the law and the principles and the patterns of nature

02:04:57.940 are larger and you can make general statements about them amen real quick this one um is uh

02:05:04.340 because we don't want to just favor the super chats although we do favor the super chats um

02:05:08.920 But this is Miss Ingham.

02:05:10.980 And I just wanted to read it because honestly, I'll admit I'm personally biased.

02:05:15.260 I found it encouraging.

02:05:17.020 And so I just wanted to read it out loud to answer her question, but also just for other women who might be listening to the channel.

02:05:23.100 She said, would you consider creating a playlist specifically for your content that's directed towards women?

02:05:30.940 There's been a lot of it lately, and it's really helpful and worth hearing again and again.

02:05:36.000 Thanks.

02:05:36.340 so i just want to at minimum say thank you that that means a lot um i'm glad that uh despite um 0.99

02:05:44.460 the uh the popular opinion uh out there in the in the interweb that uh we are you know hate women

02:05:52.500 are chauvinistic and misogynistic and blah blah blah i'm really encouraged thank you and every

02:05:57.460 week there are a lot of women that watch this channel constantly and they're in the chat and

02:06:00.740 they say we love this guy so that's true those of you erin yeah for the women who follow right

02:06:04.920 response ministries and not hate watching but actually follow it um you my goodness you uh

02:06:11.720 you are a patriot we honor you thank you so much um i i hope that your husband also enjoys the show

02:06:19.360 and knows that you're watching and enjoys the show and approves yeah but um but thank you so

02:06:24.280 much for that encouragement in terms of actually answering the question um i it's just nathan is

02:06:30.320 uh doing a million things and um but you know what when you're doing a million things what's

02:06:34.980 a million a one exactly so i will talk to nathan he's the boss around these parts for right response

02:06:40.980 and uh we'll see if we could uh try to make um some kind of uh what is it called nathan on youtube

02:06:46.960 when you make a playlist a playlist yeah we'll try to make a playlist okay 80s nostalgia guy 0.57

02:06:52.200 right at the last minute should a gay man be allowed to vote no but also i don't think the 0.57

02:06:57.420 state needs to be in everybody's home right in a general christian populace you're not investigating

02:07:02.080 you're not requiring that's right forms and attestations so no but a couple probably slips

02:07:06.480 the cracks well said so do we think that sodomy is a sin yes we're christians the bible says that

02:07:11.160 do we think that sodomy should be treated by the civil magistrate as a crime we would say that not

02:07:16.400 all sins are crimes but this one is historically in america it was in in many countries in europe

02:07:21.960 It was, we believe that this one is not only a sin, but it actually is a crime, that it actually has a degrading effect on society as a home, as a whole, and doesn't just stay in the home.

02:07:34.360 That said, there's a difference.

02:07:37.260 There are things that are sins only and not crimes.

02:07:40.340 There are things that are sins and crimes.

02:07:42.960 But even if it's a sin and a crime, it doesn't mean that it's a crime that needs to be policed.

02:07:49.460 right so um there are some things where it's like you know what we need to actually this is so

02:07:54.940 nefarious it needs to be searched out um because it's it cannot be allowed to persist even privately

02:08:02.320 it is that dangerous um we would say that like so for instance we we don't think that um there 0.69

02:08:08.700 should be public um public um you know parades or you know towards islam but we also don't think 0.94

02:08:17.920 that there should be if we were a christian nation um under christian nationalism we would 0.99

02:08:22.420 not have the um islamic you know the muslim police that goes and rounds up muslims in their homes 0.91

02:08:27.880 searching for the quran did you read this right critically yeah we would not do that um we we

02:08:33.400 would say though that uh no you don't get to have any public um islamic holidays it's i'm sorry

02:08:40.100 like is iran having public uh christian holidays no no so you know like so no we would be a

02:08:47.900 Christian nation, and we would act accordingly. In the public square, it would be Christ and the

02:08:52.560 Christian religion that would receive favorability, preference. It is discrimination. Of course it is.

02:08:58.980 You would discriminate and say, no, things that are Christian nation, things that are Christian,

02:09:03.740 they get preference. Things that are not Christian do not get preference. However,

02:09:08.380 there is a sliding scale. Not preferring Islam, it does not necessitate that you're then policing 0.77

02:09:16.600 and rounding up each and every private muslim worshiping in their home likewise same with 0.98

02:09:23.480 sodomy um no no gay pride uh parades and any known publicly known homosexuals right would 0.97

02:09:31.560 certainly not be able to serve in public office um but someone who's privately sinning in that way

02:09:37.100 is not going to be snuffed out and uh therefore would be able to vote because we wouldn't know

02:09:42.420 about it yeah that's just that's how that's how it would shake down that's how that's how it shook

02:09:47.900 out in the past that's how it would shake out again the big idea here is it would it still be

02:09:52.540 a private sin would they still be held accountable before god on the final absolutely and apart from

02:09:57.520 mercy and grace it's found uh through faith and repentance of sin and jesus christ alone

02:10:01.900 then uh then they would go to hell um and and so eventually you know that sin would be held

02:10:07.280 accountable by god himself um but but the big concern uh as we're talking about you know

02:10:12.600 culturally and politically is we're saying uh it's not so much that um that this cannot be done in

02:10:18.500 any isolated private case whatsoever among 330 million people no what we're talking about is

02:10:24.580 um the public square that at the end of the day um someone i've said it before someone will always

02:10:32.680 be in the closet every society it's not whether but which every society has its proverbial closet

02:10:38.260 and um and if the homosexual is not in the closet but rather being celebrated and worshiped and 0.82

02:10:46.440 praised in the public square than the christian the bible believe in christian will be the one 0.69

02:10:51.760 in the closet and we believe that that's wrong yep um so it's not whether but which there will

02:10:56.740 all every society will have its closets and someone's going to be in it it's not whether

02:11:01.340 someone will be in the closet, but which person will be in the closet. And we believe that it is

02:11:06.300 more honoring to God and more conducive to the flourishing of society as a whole, which includes

02:11:13.340 Christians, but also even unbelievers. It is better even for unbelievers in society, for 0.84

02:11:19.960 Christians to be esteemed publicly rather than homosexuals. I think that that is biblically 1.00

02:11:28.400 faithful and also an argument that's supported simply by common sense and logic and nature

02:11:35.560 amen it's not extreme and you know what it's 2025 the year of our lord 2025 and i'm just

02:11:43.460 going to go on record and say that's a moderate position now that is a centrist moderate position

02:11:47.900 okay thank you guys so much for tuning in any last words michael or wes nope i think this was

02:11:54.220 a great stream. I hope you guys were blessed by it. And Lord willing, we will see you again at

02:11:59.100 3 p.m. Central Time on Wednesday.

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