For decades, liberals have assured us that history only moves in one direction toward so-called progress. They built their entire moral framework on the idea that the past was oppressive, the present is enlightened, and the future is an inevitable march toward egalitarian utopia. But lately, reality has been catching up with their delusions across the political spectrum. A once unthinkable idea has resurfaced, the repeal of the 19th Amendment. What was once the domain of obscure reactionary circles is now a growing conversation in mainstream politics. Even Project 2025, the policy blueprint that sent the left into a full-blown panic, was accused of making this one of its long-term goals. Why? Because history isn t just some endless progressive revolution, it is the unfolding of God s created order. And that order, no matter how much they resist it, always reasserts itself. We are witnessing the slow but certain return of nature. The world was never meant to be built on their abstractions. The past they despise is now returning. And the real question is, who will have the courage to welcome it?
00:19:23.960and he doesn't hold that position anymore.
00:19:25.640Nevertheless, he still beat the Republican incumbent, even with that in his past and blasted all over the headlines, which I take as an interesting case study of where we are now.
00:19:38.720He he could not publicly totally endorse it, but he had that in his past.
00:19:44.280And the things that he said were unbelievably based.
00:19:47.060They were not just what a lot of people talk about where they say, well, it's because men still get drafted.
00:19:51.960So we either have to draft women or we have to get rid of the 19th Amendment.
00:19:55.640Now, his was nature and God's design, and it was full-on patriarchal.0.86
00:20:03.100He still won his representative seat and Trump endorsed him, which I think is, you know, an interesting commentary on the times that we live and the direction that the Overton window is still pushing right now.
00:20:18.900i grew up like just conservative republican all the way never in all my time growing up until my
00:20:25.480mid to late 20s did i ever hear that idea nobody talked in those categories at any platform at any
00:20:31.100level in any popular discourse right whatsoever yep right i never even thought about repealing
00:20:37.960the 19th until probably about 2020 and then publicly said it like 2022 and then with joshua
00:20:45.700hames 2023 right and now i'm like oh yeah that's that's one of my more tame positions yeah so our
00:20:53.480goal this episode is not to retread everything that we did on friday right but i do just want
00:20:57.920to in case you're just catching this for the first time um it's important to point out that
00:21:03.540the arguments that we're making and really the best arguments against something like the 19th
00:21:07.940amendment is not simply equality and it's not fair that women get don't get drafted that's not the
00:21:13.600argument that we're making we're making a patriarchal argument from creation from the
00:21:18.060bible and even from christian tradition um over over centuries and millennia um and and that's
00:21:24.700not like like i said we're not going to go through all of that right now um but it's interesting to
00:21:29.620me that um that this has been the dominant approach for christian civilization for pretty
00:21:38.160much since the beginning there's been no christian civilization that has ever put women forward
00:21:43.360voluntarily into the public sphere in this way.
00:21:48.140What's interesting to me also is that this actually is a question
00:21:51.180that has been discussed in America's history a lot,
00:22:09.100the church always affects culture.0.97
00:22:10.940And one of the reasons why when the Constitution was being debated and even leading up to it and after the time it was ratified, there were already questions about whether or not women should be voting and participating in public life.
00:22:23.360And part of it was the Quaker church polity, which allowed men and women to speak in services.
00:22:32.680And so because they had that position, they were saying, well, this has to flow outward into the political and public sphere as well.
00:22:39.320And so from the beginning, actually, there were calls that women ought to be given the vote.
00:22:45.240And John Adams, I'm going to read a quote from John Adams.
00:22:49.380He reacted very, very strongly against this.
00:22:52.940So Nate, we'll take that first quote from Adams.
00:22:58.260He said, this is, yeah, why exclude women?1.00
00:23:02.840Because their delicacy renders them unfit for practice and experience in the great business of life1.00
00:23:08.260and the hardy enterprises of war, as well as the arduous cares of state. Besides, their attention
00:23:14.020is so much engaged with the necessary nurture of their children that nature has made them the
00:23:19.200fittest for domestic cares, and children have not judgment or will of their own.
00:23:26.480Depend upon it, sir. This is in a letter. It is dangerous to open such a source of controversy
00:23:31.600and altercation, as would be opened by attempting to change the qualifications of voters.
00:23:36.540there will be no listen to this he says we can't go tampering with this he says there will be no
00:23:42.060end of it new claims will arise when will we demand demand a vote lads from 12 to 21 will
00:23:47.740think their rights not enough attended to and every man who has not a dime will demand an equal voice
00:23:54.380with any other in all acts of state it tends to confound and destroy all distinctions and
00:24:01.340surrender all ranks to one common level you want to talk about prophetic and you want to talk about
00:24:07.080a man who understood what's what yeah that's an incredible quote john adams this is the same
00:24:12.860very same john adams who says the constitution is only fit for religious moral people wholly
00:24:17.540unfit for any other good grief yeah the early the early centuries of america it was a white
00:24:23.920free proper owning men that could vote like that's just who voted so we had a democracy and0.61
00:24:27.920And they saw that as good because they were coming out of a monarchy, a tyranny of a king that could abandon and say, oh, I'm not going to protect you.
00:27:31.540But I would like to see welfare abolished because I do believe it goes against the Scripture.
00:27:35.060that said though in the meantime you would think that at minimum yeah if if you're not paying taxes
00:27:43.520and instead not only are you not paying taxes but you're actually receiving taxes from others
00:27:49.760then no you know you don't get an equal voice to someone who is paying for your food and your
00:27:58.740rent and you're of course of course not aristotle called that out it was like the rich and the poor
00:28:03.380said you got to be very careful so like in the athenian states for instance it was it was men
00:28:08.320that were free and uh often they had to have military service but the point with the rich
00:28:12.200and the poor is like if you make suffrage universal and you give it to all the poor will be greater
00:28:16.380in number that's how resources are distributed and they're going to demand of the rich so policies
00:28:20.900and candidates that want to say well we distribute wealth we'll give free handouts and you give all
00:28:25.840of the poor all of the slaves and you add women into that too you'll have a mass of 80 of people
00:28:30.760that want the stuff that the rich have and so all of these states from athens from rome and others
00:28:35.240if there was voting it was very carefully guarded you had to be the son of a citizen you had to own
00:28:40.840property you had to have some of them even the time to do it so that had to be your profession
00:28:45.040was to vote you had to have military service you had to be all in ties to it and so in that way
00:28:50.840you didn't have masses of people with little to their name voting to take it from the rich well
00:28:55.800said and the reason why we're mentioning this right here at the outset is because yeah we are
00:28:59.760not 19th amendment respecters but beyond that to be a little bit to not just pick on you know
00:29:05.500women having the vote um we really what we despise is universal suffrage yeah it's not just it's not
00:29:13.060just the 19th amendment um but all together and here's the funny thing is like pretty much every0.52
00:29:18.840red-blooded american right whether you're you're white black male female pretty much everyone
00:29:25.900disagrees with universal suffrage and what i mean by that is nobody thinks that two-year-olds should
00:29:31.660be voting yep right right so everybody at some point it's kind of like the argument like everybody
00:29:35.820is a cessationist at some point right like like nobody thinks that we have apostles of christ
00:29:40.380who are eyewitness you know eyewitness you know people to the the you know the uh to jesus christ
00:29:46.400himself to the resurrected christ and are being commissioned by him for writing new books of the
00:29:51.080bible to be added to the canon today right so like no matter where you land on that theological issue
00:29:55.740of you know continuationism cessationism everybody is a cessationist at some level and to be fair
00:30:01.260everyone's a continuationist to some level because we still think there are certain spiritual gifts
00:30:05.360like mercy helps administration teaching uh that still exists so everybody believes in some part
00:30:10.920something's continued and also to some so some part something sees so the the question is simply
00:30:16.700at that point a matter of degree so a question of the matter degree nobody believes in boundless
00:30:22.800universal suffrage we all agree that there are certain there are certain elements and certain
00:30:28.280sectors of the populace whether you limit to children or on on the other end it's like if
00:30:33.880somebody has dementia right right if somebody's is felons you know and this is strictly hypothetical
00:30:38.840i i would never stoop so low to give a you know but if if somebody has dementia and doesn't know
00:30:44.240where they are they shouldn't be able to vote much less be the president of the united states
00:30:50.580So whether it's the very elderly, we love the elderly, but those who literally are starting to, their mind is beginning to degrade, or the child, you know, everybody, I think, just about, with common sense, agrees, yeah, voting shouldn't be everyone.0.73
00:31:11.480And not only that, but this has been, Wes, like you said, this has been kind of a no-duh for most of history.
00:31:18.300Now, Nate, let's show quote number two.
00:31:21.060This is from a political writer and thinker named Michael Walsh.
00:31:27.280In no previous historical iteration of either a republic or democracy was universal suffrage allowed or even contemplated.
00:31:34.060The Greeks and the Romans had a quaint notion that only productive male citizens, especially those who put their lives, honor, and sacred fortunes.
00:32:09.260but kind of commissioned as an officer
00:32:10.580would be kind of a similar way of thinking about it now or being a veteran who returned in good
00:32:16.380standing that sort of thing so this this has been this has been uh kind of normal human thinking
00:32:23.160about this topic and Wes and I were talking both Wes and I moved to Texas and Wes it would be good
00:32:27.800for you to share the comment that you said about voting in Texas elections yeah so it's very easy
00:32:33.660you know for three white men that are you know property owning have children members of Protestant
00:32:38.720churches i was adopted i don't know my birth father as far as we know as far as we who are0.60
00:32:44.080you calling white you could be an albino yeah who knows jolt can't vote okay so it's very easy for0.63
00:32:50.480three of us to sit here and say like well universal suffrage is a farce which of course it is but
00:32:54.600here's the deal i'll take texas for an example i didn't grow up here i didn't even grow up in the
00:32:58.940south i grew up in the north in pennsylvania new york moved to texas a couple years ago i should
00:33:04.080not be allowed to vote here i don't have a connection to this land like my children maybe
00:33:08.740even my grandchildren yes they should have the right to if they stay here and they put down roots
00:33:13.180but if tomorrow morning a decree went out you have to have three generations of continuous living
00:33:18.080productive employment uh living according to law no felonies ownership membership in a church if
00:33:24.640that's required and i would lose my right to vote in texas and never be able to gain it in the rest
00:33:29.160of my life i would be perfectly fine with that i would sleep i would be happy to not have to go
00:33:34.620i can't vote yes i can't just be like i don't have to go to the municipality now once every
00:33:39.880two years and like look at a bunch of names and be like gosh these all sound terrible like i'd be
00:33:44.320fine with that right and you would know that those who could vote exactly those just laws those who
00:33:49.920could vote in your state where you're raising your children um would be the most informed
00:33:55.260responsible moral upright voters that you could possibly have you would know that that um you
00:34:01.400couldn't vote but the um but the state of texas would only improve exactly yep and so it's great
00:34:08.880i think i have good ideas and make good choices on bonds that this or the other but i could
00:34:12.980recognize even though i in the macro in the individual i think would be a very capable voter
00:34:18.100by god's grace i can recognize if that was taken away for even more capable those who may be voted
00:34:23.740more reliably as a whole and i'm not part of that group because of children or ownership or
00:34:28.600heritage or whatever be perfectly fine with that so if you're here like i don't like that idea of
00:34:32.620taking that right away like who cares you go vote every two years you don't have something in your
00:34:37.040calendar now yeah the question is not about what about my rights the question is um what is going
00:34:42.640to be good number one for the glory of god um and according accordance with his word number two
00:34:48.760what is going to be good for our country and the future of our country are my children my posterity
00:34:54.920not just well what about my independent atomistic you know individual right um no like voting to be
00:35:04.900frank like just like universal income is not a right universal health care is not right right
00:35:09.780there are there what is it active rights and passive rights is that the delineation like so
00:35:14.600there are certain rights like like life natural rights yeah natural rights that are god-given
00:35:20.300inalienable rights that every single human being has the individual actually has you have a right
00:35:24.600to self-defense right you have a right to um to not just be plowed over and exploited by by the
00:35:31.740judicial system and the law and those kinds of so it's the right to um defend yourself in court and
00:35:36.600those kinds of things the right to true religious worship but you don't have a right and i'm gosh
00:35:40.580I'm going to sound like just a normie conservative, but these things are true.
00:35:44.380But you don't have a right to other people's labor, right?
00:35:47.140So when it comes to a right to health care, what you're saying is that somebody else who spent their life acquiring the skills and the knowledge to be a health care professional, a doctor,
00:35:59.280that he somehow has a moral obligation under the law
00:36:04.000to devote toward you a certain portion of his time,
00:36:31.640Because they don't any longer have ownership over their own time and labor and skills.
00:36:38.200The government must provide them to you.
00:36:40.240The government must provide them to you.
00:36:42.480So all that being said, there are certain rights that are inalienable, like the right to life and self-defense and these things.
00:36:49.720And then there are other rights that when you say, this is my right, what you're really doing is you're infringing upon someone else's rights.
00:36:56.580You're saying, you don't have a right to your labor, or you don't have a right to your money, right, because of welfare.
00:37:02.380I have a right to the money that you have acquired by your work.
00:37:09.120Not exactly the same, but voting is not an inalienable—there are distinctions, but it is not an inalienable right, like the right to self-defense.
00:37:17.580If it was, then anyone who lives in a monarchy is somehow unnatural.
00:47:02.360And then the next one, second, the great cry of the suffrage body is for the individual liberty.
00:47:08.900They demand the vote because they object to their husbands, fathers and brothers voting for them.
00:47:14.480And so it makes, it's so interesting to me, the connection with the Jewish influence in the communist and socialist revolutions in Europe.0.54
00:47:22.980So the socialists were like 100 unanimous is what that quote said.
00:47:25.820like there's a million socialists in this country and unanimously unanimously if there's one thing
00:47:31.720we agree on it's uh women should vote everyone should vote but women in particular in this case0.77
00:47:36.760american communism had its real swell in the 20s and 30s it died down with obviously like the red
00:47:42.020scare and everything but that was the the high watermark for the american socialist party
00:47:46.220presidential candidates all of that and to the point it was a big movement actually had a decent
00:47:50.360size and it was unanimous voting rights for all yep because that that eliminates all hierarchy
00:47:56.660and all distinction um and really man did a number on western civilization just that idea
00:48:04.080which we don't need to do it's it's old territory for us but again there's more going on here when
00:48:09.980we when we say repeal the 19th amendment there's more going on than than hating women right right
00:48:17.020uh which for the record for the for the clip's sake we're not saying we need none of us hate
00:48:21.980women no but the claim would be that's all we care about all three of our wives my wife voted
00:48:26.560yeah yep like and that's another thing just i've mentioned it before but real quick and someone
00:48:30.540asked it too real quick so we um we are people who have convictions all three of us are men who
00:48:36.500have convictions and principles but there's a difference between being principled and being
00:48:41.040an ideologue. An ideologue will, in God's sweet providence, there will be occasional moments where
00:48:49.880something really good will be right within his grasp, and he will pick it up and throw it down
00:48:57.220and crush it on the floor in the name of the perfect. It's like, if I can't have absolute
00:49:04.820perfection now then we'll have nothing good you know we can't have nice things unless we have
00:49:10.920everything i want um we are not ideologues right response ministries um is a ministry that loves
00:49:16.780theology we love principles we're deeply conservative we hate what what god would
00:49:22.180consider to be genuine compromise um and yet at the same time although all those things are true
00:49:28.240we are not ideologues in fact we hate ideology so that being said um if there was something
00:49:34.660on the docket that like you know to repeal the 19th amendment we would vote for it with our
00:49:40.680wives yeah now here's here's the thing you know for all the bad faith listeners and there's
00:49:44.760hundreds who listen to every second of every episode hoping that this is the time i'm gonna
00:49:52.280get you and shut you down um so for you there's nothing i can say to appease you but you know
00:49:58.960those guys the bad faith listeners to our ministry they're gonna think oh well that's that's hypocrisy0.97
00:50:03.320right that's the only category that they could think of is um you think women shouldn't vote0.95
00:50:07.620but you had your wives vote with you for donald trump in 2024 that's hypocritical and we would say
00:50:14.740nope um that's strategic so if there was literally on the ballot um a bill for for recalling you
00:50:24.500know repealing the 19th amendment we would vote with our wives for that um and the reason why
00:50:31.960is because until the female vote is repealed the way i see it and i've said this before but i'll
00:50:39.280say it again is that for every man in our country half of his vote was stripped away from him that's
00:50:46.340ultimately what's going on your vote was stripped away from it's it's not like it was just like when
00:50:51.780the this is the best way i could explain it it's just like when the fed prints money when they
00:50:56.820print money they don't actually create money they they actually inflate money they devalue
00:51:02.820all the money that's already out there so when they print a trillion dollars what they actually
00:51:07.080did is however many trillion dollars were already in circulation they took a little bit away from
00:51:11.500that so too with the 19th amendment they didn't create an extra vote they took half of your vote
00:51:17.260and so until the 19th amendment is repealed my wife votes with me because what she's doing of
00:51:24.160her own volition, for the record, because she's a woman who fears the Lord and actually respects
00:51:30.560and loves and submits to her husband, is she saying, Joel, I believe that through sin and
00:51:36.580wicked men, half of your vote was stolen from you. But I, as your loving wife, am going to give back.
00:51:45.760I'm going to make restitution and give back what was stolen from you by voting with my husband
01:00:12.900There can be a convention of states, which has never been done for a constitutional amendment, or an amendment has to pass with two-thirds of both chambers of the legislative branch, so the House and the Senate, and then three-quarters of the states have to agree to it, ratify it for an amendment to pass.
01:00:33.780This is what I know about these United States of America.0.96
01:00:35.760we have had in our history two and i repeat only two opportunities to elect a female president0.98
01:00:43.220that's right and we said resounding resoundingly no hell no hell no that's right in both cases
01:00:50.140and as brian survey would say america we were so real for that we had two opportunities to elect
01:00:56.020a female president we said no both times america you were so real for that yeah yeah so i'm hopeful
01:01:01.120Well, this is why, as all of these debates were happening in the states, and then even leading up to the passage of the 19th Amendment federally, people were really opposed to it.
01:01:10.780I mean, there were guys who had their eyes wide open to what was going on, and they warned, and they pled, and they argued against it, because they knew, number one, if it does get passed, it's going to be hard to undo, and number two, it's going to do incalculable damage.
01:01:27.140This next quote is from Thomas Sedgwick, who was writing in the, I believe this was in the late 1800s, and he just, he saw down what was going to happen if America moved in this direction.
01:01:41.600So he said, or William Sedgwick, my mistake, he said,
01:01:44.800if women's suffrage would mean a denigration and a degradation of human fiber, which would turn0.97
01:01:51.780back the hands of time a thousand years. Hence, now he was optimistic. Hence, it will probably1.00
01:01:57.800never come. For mankind will not lightly abandon, at the call of a few fanatics, the hard-earned
01:02:03.360achievements of the ages. Gosh, he was wrong. Yep. Boy, was he ever wrong. Yep. Yep. And tragically
01:02:09.800so tragically now here's the white pill the temperance movement the uh yes not the abolition
01:02:14.880of alcohol the prohibition prohibition it it passed it was ratified by the states it was
01:02:19.060enacted in the constitution repealed like 10 years later after people were like later on they got a
01:02:22.840dose of their own medicine yeah and that's what we kind of covered that a few we've covered that
01:02:26.340for right you know the last three years but like but we really covered that i think last week on
01:02:30.720a couple of our episodes and just saying it's a simple concept but just but just encouraging the
01:02:35.860listener and i feel you know ourselves just encouraging each other that um history history
01:02:41.300it was it was in the cold open today history is not just um you know just uh what is the way you
01:02:48.220word it a revolution like where it only moves a progression yeah yeah like a progression like a
01:02:53.080march towards progress or something like yeah like an eternal perpetual march towards you know
01:02:57.320progress which really means you know right you know regress um until the end of time um that's
01:03:03.300that's actually you look at history that is not the way history is played out right that's a very
01:03:07.300dispensational novel idea that that everything has just gotten worse and worse and worse
01:03:12.800or no better and better and better yeah that's not that's the opposite of the dispensational
01:03:18.320both of those are immature yeah both of those are immature and people you know for again the
01:03:22.880bad faith listener who might be tuning in and saying well that's your view like you hate on
01:03:26.580dispensationalism but aren't you you know post-millennial so you think things only constantly
01:03:30.500get better that's not the post-millennial view the post-millennial view doesn't say that things
01:03:34.420only with a steady incline with no dips and no challenges along the way that they only ever get
01:03:40.420better no we're just saying that the overall trajectory is going to be in the positive
01:03:44.740direction but that can include in certain times in certain places and those places for the record
01:03:49.000could be big like half the world like all of western civilization and those time periods are
01:03:54.380not just necessarily 10 years or 20 years, but it can be three, four, 500 years, you absolutely,
01:04:00.820on that overall trajectory up, you can have some massive dips along the way. And we would say that
01:04:05.480we've been in a dip for quite a while, at least since the Enlightenment. But that's kind of the
01:04:12.600overarching macro picture of steady trajectory up, but some big dips along the way. But then
01:04:17.520in some of the smaller battles along the way that are more contextual to this nation and this time
01:04:22.720period and blah, blah, blah. There's, there's ebbs and flows. In fact, I was, you know, there's
01:04:27.640a member in our church that they live two and a half hours away and they come to our church
01:04:33.200faithfully, a wonderful family. And my wife and kids and I, we try to go and see them,
01:04:40.320you know, making pastoral visits, relational visits as often as we can. So we went on Saturday
01:04:45.120and it takes all day. It's a five hour trip, round trip. But we went and packed up the van
01:04:49.860and spent the day and had a great time and he was showing me you know he had on the wall picture of
01:04:54.180robert e lee and he was showing me a quote from robert e lee that's like i was like was robert
01:04:59.900e lee postmill you know it was really really encouraging but he's just talking about standing
01:05:03.780at the seashore when you look at history and and when the water recedes when it's pulling back
01:05:09.760and you think like this is it you know um not realizing that um like the bigger the ebb
01:05:15.820the greater the flow yeah like if the water is pulling way back and you're standing at the
01:05:21.860shoreline then uh for all you know it could be it could be ebbing and receding and pulling back
01:05:28.280further and further like the tide like when a barge goes down you know and it like sucks all
01:05:31.900the way it could be pulling back not just your normal ebb flow ebb flow but then all of a sudden
01:05:36.680it just keeps pulling back and back and back and it goes back it recedes 20 30 40 feet then then
01:05:42.52050 yards and further and further and you're like what is going on and then all of a sudden comes
01:05:47.700a tidal wave yep a revival you know and uh we're not revivalist either we do think that god can
01:05:54.620and may send revival we just um i just think we should be busy in the meantime but anyways it was
01:05:59.440so encouraging i got the quote here i gotta read it this is robert e lee robert e lee the truth is
01:06:04.540this the march of providence is so slow and our desires so impatient the work of progress so
01:06:10.320immense and our means of aiding it so feeble the life of humanity is so long that of the individual
01:06:15.620so brief that we often only see the ebb of the advancing wave and are thus discouraged it is
01:06:20.740history that teaches us to hope amen one more time that is god that is fire uh the truth is this the
01:06:27.160march of providence is so slow and our desires so impatient the work of progress so immense and our
01:06:32.420means of aiding it so feeble the life of humanity is so long that of the individual so brief that
01:06:38.600we often only see the ebb of the advancing wave and are thus discouraged.
01:06:42.620It is history that teaches us to hope.
01:08:49.080We've said this, not a prediction, or I'm sorry, not a prescription saying we should
01:08:53.960do this, but it is a prediction of what might happen, whether we support it or not.
01:08:58.600Yeah, that's where you might get your American Caesar who comes in and says, you know, it's hard to repeal because we've lost all of our ambition and all of our good sense.
01:09:43.560great guy but there was a name after the salad dressing that's right but there was a provision
01:09:50.020in their laws that in times of crisis they could hand you know unilateral power temporarily
01:09:56.020to a man that they trusted turns out you know as far as the republic went that was the end of the
01:10:02.140republic right but a good run but as far as the roman civilization went so i'm not saying we
01:10:08.140You can transform into an empire with an emperor permanently.
01:10:12.700But I'm just saying all Western civilization has understood that sometimes you do get into a situation where someone just needs to come in and clean house.
01:10:22.860President of El Salvador, what do you do with a country overrun with gangs and corrupt judges and bribery?
01:10:27.720Turns out you get in, you rewrite the Constitution, you instate term limits because you said I can do this.
01:10:32.480You investigate them all for bribery and you say I'll be president for however long I want to be.
01:10:37.340and he was re-elected with a 90 percent popular vote the highest approval rating in the world
01:10:44.440you can just do things you're done judges that have blocked me and impeached right you're out
01:10:49.620you are going to prison all of you you are being investigated that's what we're doing now get with
01:10:55.000the program yeah yeah all right we're going to go to our second commercial break and when we come0.86
01:10:59.380back we're going to talk about some of the consequences of women's suffrage okay all right
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01:14:59.660We want to touch briefly on some of the impact and the fallout of women's suffrage.
01:15:05.460So we'll do that briefly and we do want to save some time at the end for some questions
01:15:10.220And we do want to honor our promise to especially the one with the super chat that we mentioned we would touch on earlier.
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01:15:22.560Put question in front of it or you make sure you use proper punctuation with the question mark at the end so that Nathan knows to to market for us later on.
01:15:29.460Well, obviously, as we are finding out, elections have consequences, and the vote and the passage of the 19th Amendment had consequences as well.
01:15:40.640And there's a lot of different directions we can go with this.
01:15:43.340The fact that women were voting gave them the power to vote against their husbands, in part with prohibition, in part with divorce laws.
01:15:52.860But in general, too, there's a sense where a woman's nature is going to be more compassionate,
01:15:59.680more focused on tending to the needs rather than administrating justice.
01:16:07.380And so you can look through history and you can see how largely, and I'm going to quote1.00
01:16:11.820a study here in a minute, largely the result of women voting in the public forum and federal0.99
01:16:18.940issues and state issues has been we need we see pain well what we need to do now is vote0.99
01:16:26.220so that federal or state tax money goes to alleviating that pain right and then what
01:16:33.340happens unfortunately is that what people who want to push social change all they need to do
01:16:40.720is convince half the population women that there is an abuse or an oppression or a pain or something
01:16:48.020like that because a woman's heart is naturally going to go to that and that's beautiful and good0.89
01:16:51.800like that we've we've talked about that a lot of times we want moms tending to skin knees and
01:16:57.560and bruises it's it's beautiful yeah like we should be i feel like we've been clear but let's
01:17:02.380be clear again um there is nothing about the god-ordained nature of a woman that we despise
01:17:09.380it's wonderful but what we're saying is that it's only wonderful when it's in its role right it's
01:17:16.360wonderful uh in the same way that a navy seal is wonderful that's right you know but but but all
01:17:23.040your navy sealness um is is not you know well unless it's like uh arnold schwarzenator a
01:17:28.840kindergarten cop did you ever see you know maybe it comes in in handy in a in a you know children
01:17:34.320kind of situation and defending them but the point is that um a hammer is wonderful for a nail right
01:17:40.600A screwdriver is wonderful for a screw.
01:17:42.520You know, a saw is wonderful for making cuts.1.00
01:17:45.340So we love women and we love their nature.
01:17:49.600But that nurturing instinct of someone's in pain and crying out for help and I want to go to them, that is a great instinct for children in your home.
01:18:01.240That is not a great instinct for going to the voting booth when you have a full-blown invasion at your southern border and a ton of propaganda from liberal media saying, look at this poor AI-generated picture of a little girl being ripped away by ice from her mother.
01:18:19.580And then all these single, white, college-educated Marxist women go to the voting booth and make terrible decisions, whereas their nature, it is in the right direction.0.99
01:18:33.160I know we'll get in trouble with that one, but their nature is in the right direction.0.97
01:18:36.400It's just being funneled incorrectly because you take that same concern and sympathy, maybe not so much empathy, but sympathy and nurturing spirit, and you give them three kids.
01:18:47.900and gosh they're going to be they're going to be doing great yep they're going to be doing great
01:18:52.560so yeah and this is exactly what has played out a 2002 study in the journal of political economy
01:19:00.600this is going to be the next quote this is by two researchers named john lott and lawrence kenny
01:19:05.480and they they found that this was the net result of women entering the the voting pool they said
01:19:14.880This paper examines the growth of government during this century, so that's the 19th century, as a result of giving women the right to vote.
01:19:22.340Using cross-sectional time series data for 1870 to 1940, we examined state government expenditures and revenues,
01:19:29.660as well as voting by U.S. House and Senate state delegations and the passage of a wide range of different state laws.
01:19:37.060Suffrage coincided with immediate increases in state government expenditures and revenue
01:19:42.400and more liberal voting patterns for federal representatives0.99
01:19:45.500because they were now getting pressure from women to cater and to court the women's vote.1.00
01:19:51.040And these effects continued growing over time as more women took advantage of the franchise,1.00
01:19:57.580Contrary to many recent suggestions, the gender gap is not something that has arisen since the 1970s.
01:20:04.460In other words, their point is it arose immediately as soon as women started voting in the late 1800s.
01:20:09.420And it helps explain why American government started growing when it did.
01:20:14.280The growth and the increase of government spending, the federal government has, in fact, let me get my quote, let me make sure I'm right here.
01:20:24.160Within 11 years of the 19th Amendment, per capita government spending had doubled.
01:20:29.920Federal government spending had doubled.
01:20:31.880and um women have a tendency historically of voting overwhelmingly for social programs1.00
01:20:38.420progressive policies and increase in welfare yeah yeah checks out yep and again it doesn't0.98
01:20:44.660mean that women are wicked yep it means that women are kind and generous and nurturing0.95
01:20:52.040and those good god-given instincts are wonderful in their proper place but ill-suited for the
01:20:59.380political realm that i like the way pastor andrew isker has said it he said this in his book boniface
01:21:05.660option which was a great great book and we even him and myself and ad robles the three of us did
01:21:10.420a whole series which you can go and you can find on our youtube channel or our website or
01:21:15.100on patreon you can get all 10 parts it's 10 episodes and the whole thing was me and ad
01:21:20.620robles and pastor andrew isker covering you know in a 10-part series his entirety of his book
01:21:26.820boniface option and one of the can't remember which episode it was but one of the episodes in
01:21:31.440that series covering a portion of his book um we addressed women voting and the way that
01:21:36.660andrew worded it in the book and then also on that episode that we did together
01:21:40.340was i think um really well said he just he said that um politics is war politics is war
01:21:48.000without the bullets every time you have a political disagreement what you're ultimately
01:21:51.880doing is you're taking two sides of the country on a particular issue and you're rounding up all
01:21:56.760of your troops right you're rallying your armies and and then what you do is you you march out and
01:22:04.040meet each other uh for battle but but right when you normally would begin firing bullets and there's
01:22:11.140a death toll when it's a real hot war instead of doing that you both parties agree both armies
01:22:17.880agree that instead of actually firing the bullets what we'll do instead is we'll count your army
01:22:23.580how many men enlisted and we'll count the other army how many men enlisted and the bigger army
01:22:29.860will go ahead and we'll allow him to win the smaller army will concede and we won't fire a0.88
01:22:35.840single shot it's war without the bullets um and it is improper to enlist women in war yeah yep
01:22:43.520that's the argument and and we lose something we we have lost something beautiful let Nate let's go
01:22:49.480to the next um quote because i i found this is from from a woman who was was opposed to women's
01:22:55.840suffrage um and this is ida m tarbell she says all evidence proves that the adoption of women's
01:23:02.520suffrage brings into evidence the bold obtrusive woman whose conduct cheapens the sex and deprives
01:23:09.440all other women of a portion of the chivalry and respect which are their birthright yeah when we0.94
01:23:15.580think about chivalry we think about the knights but there was also the ladies and they were
01:23:19.940entitled to being treated a certain way honored in a certain way provided for in a certain way
01:23:25.680and defended in esteemed in a certain way and what tarbell is saying there is that the women's
01:23:32.400suffrage has stolen women of that proper obligation that is owed to them as well that was hold dabney0.88
01:23:38.700wrote a lot on women's rights because there's feminist movements even then there's a big thrust
01:23:42.860of his argument he said if you take women and you just flatten the playing field make them equal in
01:23:46.920all these different stations you're going to subject women to the barbarism that men are
01:23:51.040typically subject to you're going to return her to a primitive state where she is forced to compete0.98
01:23:55.680and do all the drudgery christendom lifted her up christendom esteemed her christendom put her in1.00
01:24:01.140the home where she had the light and children all these different things those women's suffrage that1.00
01:24:04.900ripped her from that threw her to the rat race and said you're going to go compete here you're1.00
01:24:09.140going to work under fluorescent lights for 50 hours a week and use a mechanical breast pump to
01:24:14.040pump milk for your child you're going to do that yeah yeah yeah no you're absolutely right west
01:24:18.660that's really well said like that's compelling um and in that it was christian that really
01:24:24.120provided the barriers the boundaries um that allowed not only for a woman a woman's flourishing
01:24:29.960her health her prosperity but we could also include in that her beauty according to what
01:24:35.060god considers to be beautiful first peter i believe it's chapter three that says you know that
01:24:39.460the imperishable beauty that which is beautiful in the sight of god is the inward beauty of the
01:24:46.360heart and then god further he gives further specification of what that looks like what are
01:24:50.820the characteristics of a imperishable inward beauty for a woman a beauty of the heart and he
01:24:56.820defines it by two primary characteristics a quiet and gentle spirit and when you throw women into
01:25:04.120a man's domain um you you take away the the shield and and the the the providence the protection
01:25:13.340the barrier that allows for them to embody beauty and you rip that away from them and you basically
01:25:19.180do the opposite you say um you you know beauty is a luxury it is and that luxury is no longer
01:25:25.140afforded to you in fact we're stripping it away and uh and now in order to survive you have to be
01:25:31.060anything but beautiful you have to be snarky delicate right you have to be in the public0.85
01:25:36.740sphere you now have to be um not not beautiful and filled with grace but you need to be polemical0.85
01:25:42.360you need to be snarky you need to be a beast you need to be a warrior you need to be a beast a0.60
01:25:46.520boss babe you need to be bombastic you need to be aggressive be aggressive and so that's why you see1.00
01:25:52.120even you know allegedly conservative female podcasters in the public sphere if it's not1.00
01:25:57.440something that's distinctly for women in the domestic feminine context right it's one thing1.00
01:26:02.220when lexi silvey does a podcast one day a week not five from her home audio only not driving into1.00
01:26:10.380the studio after the kids are already tucked into bed with her husband about cleaning supplies
01:26:16.560that's just right to that one like bright heart that's just different can we all admit that is
01:26:21.540different than five times a week um going into the studio leaving the home during the day um
01:26:28.940and and then doing a podcast that yeah a lot of your audience are female listeners but but but
01:26:35.140in terms of the topic of what you're addressing it's um cultural it's political it's far beyond
01:26:40.120just the domestic realm of the home for women and you're even engaging with men who we would all
01:26:46.040agree are wicked men who need to be put in their place but but you're now you're you're polemically
01:26:52.400right aggressively polemically um uh with uh confrontation you're confronting you know men
01:26:59.980like joe biden or like truly wicked men but um but you're a woman doing that and and there's
01:27:05.440there's nothing quiet and gentle about it and therefore i mean call me old-fashioned but i0.88
01:27:11.240believe the bible and if the bible says that what the characteristics that are defining of true
01:27:16.780feminine beauty is quiet and gentleness and you're now i don't see quiet and gentleness as being
01:27:22.900compatible with being um polemical in the public square right i don't think that you can do both
01:27:29.440you gotta pick you gotta pick right you can't you can't do both and so what we've done by leveling0.73
01:27:35.920the playing field by making uh women equal is we've made women ugly yep it's funny my um0.80
01:27:42.920this was a while ago but my my brother posted on social media um it was long enough ago that0.93
01:27:50.400it may have been facebook um he said something about uh liberal women why are liberal women
01:27:56.280always ugly and a friend of a mutual friend of ours who's who's more liberal said how dare you0.98
01:28:03.300like um he he said something about physical appearance he said i i know lots of beautiful0.97
01:28:08.900like attractive uh liberal women um and my brother said it's interesting to me that you assumed that1.00
01:28:15.940i was just talking about face shape or eye shape or whatever i'm saying they are ugly people and0.88
01:28:21.060a lot of them happen to be physically ugly as well right but they're they they are they're
01:28:25.180unattractive people they're unbeautiful people in the truest sense in the truest sense and my
01:28:31.420Nate, I'm going to go to the last quote.
01:28:32.800I'm going to skip the ones before that in the graph.
01:28:35.460This is a more recent comment from a feminist at Stanford who was talking about the end
01:28:41.960goal of feminism and women's suffrage, what they're going for.
01:33:49.560It really is part of the community of the church and the culture of the church.
01:33:55.420And some of this is not going to be worked out of guys until they're placed in a situation where they see it modeled, they hear it talked about,
01:34:04.180And then they begin to try it and they realize, oh, okay, I actually need to grow myself.
01:34:16.900I mean, I think that one of the reasons why men like complementarianism and egalitarianism
01:34:24.060is it absolves them of the responsibility.
01:34:27.160And so the only other thing that I would say is a call to true responsibility, not a fake
01:34:32.260responsibility of you may need to make sure that you're doing the dishes every night true
01:34:36.880responsibility men are gonna that's gonna resound with men like think ahead plan for your family
01:34:43.520consider the needs of your wife your wife and your children like be proactive um it you were
01:34:49.340calling them to something higher we're not just bashing them over the head with what they're doing
01:34:53.480wrong yeah that's good cool billiott we hit this one a little bit the relationship with the
01:34:59.880prohibition in the 19th amendment yes absolutely they were closely interlinked these movements
01:35:04.580were going out at the same time communism socialism all these different things temperance
01:35:08.080and that were closely linked and and part of it was also um i've read that you know part of um
01:35:13.620the temperance movement prohibition was uh that that's that you know the pub was you know because
01:35:20.360they didn't have social media those kind of things so in a lot of ways the pub was kind of the public
01:35:25.100square you think of like the inklings you know you yeah yeah you think of like tolkien and lewis
01:35:30.320and stuff and like that's where a lot of the ideas uh would formulate and guys would sharpen
01:35:35.800one another and and you know sometimes even you know organize in a formal sense but but you know
01:35:41.000regularly in an informal sense organically you would have ideas presented debated sharpened and
01:35:47.100then from that place eventually trickling down and being um patronage networks yeah and being
01:35:52.340applied you know in in the public square at large but a lot of it it all circulated around men
01:35:58.300high caliber leading men um who were sharpening uh like iron sharpens iron with one another and
01:36:05.120typically ordinarily we're doing that in the physical context of a pub right and so by shutting
01:36:10.620down all the pubs um you were basically shutting down um the place where men gathered right and uh0.69
01:36:18.000And so it was, so yeah, so the suffrage movement had a vested interest beyond just whatever moral issues there might be circulating with alcohol to say, we don't want our husbands leaving the home and spending time with one another.
01:36:35.440which i would say real quick as just a pastoral application for um women today especially young
01:36:41.500wives and this doesn't any longer relate to pubs or at least not exclusively but um it's vital
01:36:49.020that you allow your husband to leave the home on occasion he needs to be present we're not saying
01:36:55.640always um but this idea of like your husband saying um like i've heard guys say this you know
01:37:01.900like, uh, it's good to be a man, you know, said, um, a lot of people I remember got really upset.
01:37:07.020They were like, I can't believe that this was said. Um, you know, cause they, you know, the
01:37:11.060authors pushed back a little bit against the idea of a man's wife being his best friend. He said,
01:37:16.920no. Um, and it's not to degrade my wife. My wife is in a position that is vastly superior to the
01:37:24.000position of my best friend. She's my wife. Wife is, is above best friend. Um, but no, I have
01:37:30.700friendships with men it doesn't mean i don't enjoy my wife or love my wife and i'm not even saying i
01:37:36.720necessarily agree i remember even when i read it was like well i mean i know what they're getting
01:37:41.420at and i certainly am not clutching my pearls i don't think i think it was completely it was
01:37:45.680either right and good and helpful at best and at worst it was yeah you know that ain't it you know
01:37:52.080and benign certainly wasn't something for people to lose their minds with but but they did oh they
01:37:56.540did um but anyways the point is still true so whether it's not whether wife is is best friend
01:38:03.020or not in either case she's certainly not she may be your best friend but i can at least say this
01:38:08.540definitively she better not be your only friend she better not be your only friend there are many
01:38:13.660such cases there are many such cases oh my goodness and part of the reason there are many
01:38:17.380such cases is because men sometimes are pretty lousy at friendship but also um because it's
01:38:24.640weird but like sometimes what like like young young women who are married please listen to me
01:38:30.060i'm not beating you up please listen i'm trying to give you some pastoral counsel for just a moment
01:38:34.540um you want your husband to have friendships and i don't know what it is but i've seen it
01:38:40.800in my pastoral ministry where there's like this weird jealousy like almost like he's having an
01:38:45.940affair by going to a guy's night right you know and it's like no no no he is um no you
01:38:54.340have his allegiance you have his devotion his fidelity his love he is not betraying you by going
01:39:00.740and spending time with men it's like well why doesn't he want to spend time with me because
01:39:04.180you're not a man it's different right it's different and he's not in the modern work
01:39:09.360environment he spends nine to five around a bunch of women exactly his work is surrounded by women
01:39:14.200and even if it's with men it's still governed and dominated by female sensibilities female1.00
01:39:19.940you know the the cackling hens of hr you know it's all it's all just our entire world is a female1.00
01:39:26.460longhouse so to allow him once a week or once a month even to get out of the feminine longhouse1.00
01:39:34.120for for a couple hours and go smoke a cigar with some guys or whatever it is um to talk and because
01:39:42.500you know what men end up doing in those contexts it's like well there there's nothing productive
01:39:47.040they're just no no it's it's only productive it is only productive guys do not get together and
01:39:52.480talk about the weather we don't we get together and we're talking about philosophy and politics
01:39:58.460and theology it's like the gk chesterton quote where um he says you know people always say um
01:40:03.540you can talk about anything except for politics and and uh religion he says i talk about nothing
01:40:08.600but politics and religion because there's nothing else worth talking about yeah and that's what men
01:40:12.940do um you know and they get together and they talk about those kinds of things and and they
01:40:19.100throw out ideas and then and then another man in a truly you know masculine fashion will say0.92
01:40:23.760that's dumb no that's dumb you know and then it'll be like well why is it dumb you know and0.91
01:40:28.680then they start to hash it out and then you know three other guys they pipe in you know and and0.99
01:40:34.540then and then you go back the group chat yeah and then you go back to your wife and your kids
01:40:40.320and you kind of are pondering and thinking about it over the next few weeks and then you do it
01:40:44.220again and they're all being sharpened and being shaped and and being bettered it so it's it's a
01:40:50.460really good thing so uh all that being said uh wives especially young wives um start the habit
01:40:55.580early uh do not be threatened by your husband having male friends yeah i do want to hit jenny
01:41:02.660weston just said i don't know maybe where he or she is coming from with this the pubs also sent
01:41:07.400drunken men home to beat their wives and having spent his paycheck to starving children alcohol
01:41:11.880was a scourge on england and america in the early days there was a lot of drunkenness and violence
01:41:18.400and you read they they had really grappled with what do you do with men stumbling drunk in the
01:41:23.740street every night violent railing abusive like those are real problems and so the temperance
01:41:29.180movement part of it was of course like the the men are getting together and i don't like it
01:41:33.300and then some real problems of how do you address all of these workers that are drunk blind on a
01:41:38.000daily basis and and that's that is a difficult problem to address by the civil magistrate but
01:41:44.240it would seem the 19th amendment was not or what the 17th think oh the prohibition um was not the
01:41:51.240way to do it so there were real concerns and i understand the problem you have when hundreds of
01:41:54.680thousands of men well it's kind of like civil rights right so it's like were there real racists
01:41:58.940and were jim crow laws unjust and those yeah sure um but but to have a legislative order
01:42:05.360and and a de facto pseudo new constitution that that effectively replaced the actual
01:42:12.080constitution of the united states that then became the beachhead to ram through alphabet soup you
01:42:17.820know lgbt lmnop rights and everybody says well i i'm in that amendment too you know i'm i find
01:42:23.740myself here and i i'm an oppressed minority and i'm an oppressed minority um no something needed
01:42:29.760to happen there really was um not just marxism you know made-up sin racism but actual animus
01:42:36.060unjustifiable hatred on the basis of ethnicity there were really were not not necessarily
01:42:42.740everyone by any stretch but there were some cases of that but there were ways to combat that
01:42:47.900without coming up with a set of laws that replaced our nation's constitution and paved
01:42:58.100legislatively the way for all the the wokeness that we see today if you don't like wokeness
01:43:04.240you should question the civil rights movement you should yep okay all right can we see that
01:43:10.500we have a few more super chats that we want to make sure we hit um so bj wins it bjj wins
01:43:17.700again oh no above that sorry 80s nostalgia guy ten dollars thanks 80s um he says do you believe0.92
01:43:24.080that female christian teachers on youtube are trying to find a loophole to be able to teach
01:43:28.720men many of these women have thousands of followers both men and women and teach theology
01:43:35.040i can speak to that i'll try to do it concise i'd be disappointed if you didn't seven words in i was
01:43:39.760like yes i don't even know what you're going to finish this with i agree um so so this is what i
01:43:43.860think um so i actually am going to go with no um i'm going to give the benefit that i so to again
01:43:50.120the question to be fair to the question do you believe that female christian teachers so they're
01:43:54.660christian and they're female on youtube are trying to find a loophole to be able to teach men so
01:43:59.780we're weighing in i actually motives so we think our motives exactly so um number one we're in the
01:44:04.940realm of speculation so it's already we're on you know we're on um thin ice you know um so so i can't
01:44:11.020say anything definitively but if you're asking me my my best guess i would actually say no i i don't
01:44:16.860think that they're doing it because they want um because they're trying to find a loophole to teach
01:44:21.660men i think they're just they just want to teach they just want to talk they have opinions i don't
01:44:26.620think they're like i really really hope that this many men tune into my podcast this week because i
01:44:31.560really actually want to shape men no i think they just they want to have a podcast they want to be
01:44:36.700a celebrity they want to be famous they want to they have ideas they have a dream they want to
01:44:40.940have a voice they want to have a platform and i think that they actually would be genuinely
01:44:45.100um content if uh if it turned out that their um entire audience was 100 female so long as it was
01:44:53.840still a relatively large audience i think they really would honest to god be content at the end
01:44:58.180of the day if they found out here's the metrics um you have a podcast that's followed by a million
01:45:03.020people it's successful it's large you're you're a micro celebrity um and it's 100 women i don't
01:45:10.340think they i think they would love that they'd be like great so i really don't think it's that
01:45:13.800they want to teach men i think it's just that they want to be in the public square and publicly teach
01:45:19.860um here's here's the only thing that i disagree and this has been my position for
01:45:24.240multiple years at this point i've said it before but i'll say it again0.97
01:45:28.400titus two because people always say well then what's the problem with that right older women
01:45:32.680get to teach younger women. The Bible allows for that, women teaching women. And if men are tuning0.95
01:45:37.620in, that's not their fault. They're not making men tune into the podcast, so they can't be held
01:45:42.860responsible for that. I'm with you. I hear you. Here's the difference. This is where your normally
01:45:48.740kind of complementarian, Calvinistic, Titus 2 respecter, alleged respecter, is like, Joel,
01:45:56.320I don't see the problem. Why are you being so extreme? Because my exegesis of Titus 2,
01:46:02.600which I do believe is a historic exegesis, I don't think it's extreme. I think it is the
01:46:07.520correct position. Is it when the Apostle Paul says that older women should train younger women0.97
01:46:13.620and teach them the good, that that headline right there, the good, that older women are to teach
01:46:20.940younger women is not a blank canvas for anything that you want to include in that bucket, but that0.97
01:46:28.260the good, right, that's the overarching, like, so what class are women teaching? They're teaching1.00
01:46:32.720a class called the good, okay? And what's the curriculum for this class that they're teaching
01:46:38.500to women, the good? Well, Paul actually then begins to list it out. So, I don't think it's,
01:46:43.940they can teach anything that you might relatively be able to consider good.
01:46:48.300no i think paul then actually specifies what the good is and here's the deal it all has to do with
01:46:56.020the home it's um he then says the good and what does that look like what is the good being obedient
01:47:02.260to their husbands lovers of children uh not uh given to gossip and slander or much wine um he
01:47:10.740lists all these things but what they all have in common is they're all intrinsically applicable
01:47:17.560they're not abstract they're not general they're very specific and applicable to the fair sex to
01:47:25.620feminine sensibilities so even on on the prohibition side of avoiding gossip or slander
01:47:32.360it's um avoiding sins that men can commit men men are not um immune to slander in the same way that
01:47:39.840men aren't immune to being deceived people right now are losing their minds they can't i've never
01:47:44.260said that men can't be deceived i've said that in general women are more susceptible i believe
01:47:50.400to deception than men of course men can be deceived but the question is in general
01:47:56.080when paul roots as his argument for male headship he doesn't just cite the order of creation that
01:48:04.500man was formed first and that woman was formed from man and for man but he also cites not just
01:48:11.480the order of creation but the order of the fall that woman fell first and that in her fall both
01:48:17.560the order of the fall she fell first and the nature of her fall the man sinned knowingly
01:48:23.440with his eyes wide open the woman sinned after having been deceived and so you're making excuses
01:48:29.680for the man no his moral culpability is greater the fact that he sinned knowingly only makes him
01:48:36.840all the more guilty not less so i'm not it's not an argument about guilt if anything adam is more
01:48:42.620guilty on two accounts number one his position the position of headship and authority he bears
01:48:48.200a greater responsibility more responsibility that comes with authority number two not just his
01:48:53.040position but the nature of his sin he sinned knowingly he sinned with his eyes wide open
01:48:58.220in pure defiance of what god had spoken so adam both in terms of his position having sinned and
01:49:05.320the nature of how he sinned, he bears greater responsibility, not lesser. However, when Paul
01:49:12.500is constructing this argument, it's all within the context—this is 1 Timothy 2 now, not Titus 2—all
01:49:17.700within the context of why a woman should not lead. And it's two prohibitions, not just one.
01:49:24.640It's not conflated into one. She cannot teach men or have authority over men. Not teach with1.00
01:49:29.680authority, one prohibition, but teach or authority over men. And when Paul gives these two prohibitions
01:49:35.980for women, authority over men or teaching over men, he cites both the order of creation, but also
01:49:42.340the order of the fall. So all I'm doing in my theology is I'm simply including both, not just
01:49:49.000one, but both of the arguments that scripture makes. Because what Paul does is he then says,
01:49:54.760why? Why can a woman not exercise authority over a man or teach over a man? Well, because of the0.99
01:50:00.820order of creation, the natural created order. But also, if that's where it stopped, then that's
01:50:06.100where it stopped. But that's not where Paul stops. He goes on, he says, also, not just the order of
01:50:10.280creation, woman made from man, that is, man formed first, woman second, from man and for man as a
01:50:16.560helpmate, her purpose, her telos. But then, beyond that, not just the order of creation, but the
01:50:21.860order of the fall she fell first created second but fallen first and the manner in which she fell
01:50:28.260the nature of the fall she fell um with her eyes closed adam fell with his eyes wide open this
01:50:35.500doesn't mean that adam is absolved of guilt if anything his guilt is increased and i would argue
01:50:40.400it is but what it does mean is that the woman was more susceptible to being deceived can you find
01:50:46.340one individual woman who is less easily deceived than one individual man of course in fact you
01:50:52.180could do it with thousands i have no doubt but we're talking about group dynamics generalities
01:50:57.860in general in general men are physically stronger than women likewise in general i believe that men
01:51:04.240are less susceptible to deception than women and i'm basing that off of experience statistics
01:51:10.940studies and most importantly scripture and one of the qualities i believe because that the whole
01:51:16.960context is in the context of leadership one of the qualities for good leadership is having being
01:51:22.060at a higher degree of being impervious towards deception so now all that back to to now titus
01:51:29.540chapter two a woman can she cannot teach or exercise authority over a man she can older women0.99
01:51:36.500can teach women. But even the what, not just what they can do, but what are the contents
01:51:44.580and the parameters of her teaching, it's all feminine and domestic. So even the sins0.95
01:51:52.200against gossip or slander, can men commit these sins? Can men gossip? Yes, I have gossiped.
01:51:59.900Can men be deceived? Yes, I have been deceived. But in generalities, are men as notorious,
01:52:08.440as notoriously deceived as women? I would argue no. Scripture, more importantly, who cares about
01:52:13.560Joel? Scripture would argue no. No. Are men as notorious or as known for gossip as women? No.
01:52:22.120So even a woman's teaching, the curriculum is specified, and it's the good things to esteem, submission to husbands, lovers of children, and the bad things, the prohibitions to avoid.0.64
01:52:38.020And even on that side, it's not just sin in general.0.96
01:52:43.680The ones that tend to be more common among women, which means that a woman can teach, not men, but women.0.78
01:52:51.540if she has a podcast and men happen to tune in that's not her fault but if it is a podcast
01:52:57.100for teaching women and the kind of teaching that is actually actually permissible in scripture for
01:53:03.780a woman to teach women with then it's going to be teaching a woman teaching women about womanly
01:53:09.000things i'll say that again it's not just well as long as it's a woman teaching other women then we
01:53:14.220can teach whatever we want that's not what titus 2 says it's there's there's a third requirement1.00
01:53:19.100A woman can teach if she's teaching women, but also if she's a woman teaching women about womanly things. And so if you're doing a podcast that is directed towards women 50% of the time, 60% of the time, but still has on a regular basis, not gentle and quiet characteristics, but bombastic, snarky, sarcastic, polemical aspects in the public square,
01:53:49.100where you're belittling men, you're actually going to war, politics is war, against men,
01:53:54.920exercising a polemic against men, and it doesn't have really anything to do with the domestic
01:54:00.660feminine space, then that's not Titus 2. So all that back to the super chat. Do you believe that
01:54:07.360female Christian teachers on YouTube are trying to find a loophole to be able to teach men? My0.99
01:54:11.920answer is no. I don't think that they're in their heart of hearts. They're trying to be sneaky
01:54:17.120because they really want to teach thousands of men.
01:54:20.000But what I do think is they just want to teach.
01:54:23.100And they actually are perfectly content0.98
01:54:24.680if their audience is exclusively made up of women.
01:54:28.380But the problem is not that they don't want to teach women.
02:05:36.340so i just want to at minimum say thank you that that means a lot um i'm glad that uh despite um0.99
02:05:44.460the uh the popular opinion uh out there in the in the interweb that uh we are you know hate women
02:05:52.500are chauvinistic and misogynistic and blah blah blah i'm really encouraged thank you and every
02:05:57.460week there are a lot of women that watch this channel constantly and they're in the chat and
02:06:00.740they say we love this guy so that's true those of you erin yeah for the women who follow right
02:06:04.920response ministries and not hate watching but actually follow it um you my goodness you uh
02:06:11.720you are a patriot we honor you thank you so much um i i hope that your husband also enjoys the show
02:06:19.360and knows that you're watching and enjoys the show and approves yeah but um but thank you so
02:06:24.280much for that encouragement in terms of actually answering the question um i it's just nathan is
02:06:30.320uh doing a million things and um but you know what when you're doing a million things what's
02:06:34.980a million a one exactly so i will talk to nathan he's the boss around these parts for right response
02:06:40.980and uh we'll see if we could uh try to make um some kind of uh what is it called nathan on youtube
02:06:46.960when you make a playlist a playlist yeah we'll try to make a playlist okay 80s nostalgia guy0.57
02:06:52.200right at the last minute should a gay man be allowed to vote no but also i don't think the0.57
02:06:57.420state needs to be in everybody's home right in a general christian populace you're not investigating
02:07:02.080you're not requiring that's right forms and attestations so no but a couple probably slips
02:07:06.480the cracks well said so do we think that sodomy is a sin yes we're christians the bible says that
02:07:11.160do we think that sodomy should be treated by the civil magistrate as a crime we would say that not
02:07:16.400all sins are crimes but this one is historically in america it was in in many countries in europe
02:07:21.960It was, we believe that this one is not only a sin, but it actually is a crime, that it actually has a degrading effect on society as a home, as a whole, and doesn't just stay in the home.