For decades, liberals have assured us that history only moves in one direction toward so-called progress. They built their entire moral framework on the idea that the past was oppressive, the present is enlightened, and the future is an inevitable march toward an egalitarian utopia. But lately, reality has been catching up with their delusions across the political spectrum. A once unthinkable idea has resurfaced, the repeal of the 19th Amendment. What was once the domain of obscure reactionary circles is now a growing conversation in mainstream politics.
00:07:40.980Well, we're going to get into that. It's not quite so simple, actually, unfortunately, but we'll be getting to that as we go.
00:07:48.280The funny thing, Joel, is that you mentioned, you know, we are hitting this, and you were speaking sarcastically, this middle-of-the-road, milquetoast position.
00:07:55.980And, of course, the implication is that base people actually don't want the middle-of-the-road milquetoast position.
00:08:02.080They want, you know, they want what's biblical and natural and historical.
00:12:20.540So we either have to draft women, or we have to get rid of the 19th Amendment.0.52
00:12:24.380Now, his was nature and God's design, and it was full-on patriarchal.0.87
00:12:30.880Good for him. He still won his representative seat and Trump endorsed him, which I think is, you know, an interesting commentary on the times that we live in the direction that the Overton window is still pushing right now.0.76
00:12:47.260i grew up like just conservative republican all the way never in all my time growing up until my
00:12:53.840mid to late 20s did i ever hear that idea nobody talked in those categories at any platform at any
00:12:59.460level in any popular discourse right whatsoever yep right i never even thought about repealing
00:13:06.320the 19th until probably about 2020 and then publicly said it like 2022 and then with joshua
00:13:14.040hames 2023 right and now i'm like oh yeah that's that's one of my more tame positions yeah so our
00:13:21.840goal this episode is not to retread everything that we did on friday right but i do just want
00:13:26.280to in case you're just catching this for the first time um it's important to point out that
00:13:31.900the arguments that we're making and really the best arguments against something like the 19th
00:13:36.300amendment is not simply equality and it's not fair that women get don't get drafted that's not the
00:13:41.960argument that we're making we're making a patriarchal argument from creation from the
00:13:46.420bible and even from christian tradition um over over centuries and millennia um and and that's
00:13:53.060not like like i said we're not going to go through all of that right now um but it's interesting to
00:13:57.980me that um that this has been the dominant approach for christian civilization for pretty
00:14:06.520much since the beginning there's been no christian civilization that has ever put women forward
00:14:11.720voluntarily into the public sphere in this way.
00:14:16.520What's interesting to me also is that this actually is a question
00:14:19.540that has been discussed in America's history a lot,
00:14:37.460the church always affects culture.0.97
00:14:39.300And one of the reasons why when the Constitution was being debated and even leading up to it and after the time it was ratified, there were already questions about whether or not women should be voting and participating in public life.
00:14:51.720And part of it was the Quaker church polity, which allowed men and women to speak in services.
00:15:01.040And so because they had that position, they were saying, well, this has to flow outward into the political and public sphere as well.
00:15:07.680And so from the beginning, actually, there were calls that women ought to be given the vote.
00:15:13.600And John Adams, I'm going to read a quote from John Adams.
00:15:17.740He reacted very, very strongly against this.
00:15:21.300So Nate, we'll take that first quote from Adams.
00:15:26.620He said, this is, yeah, why exclude women?1.00
00:15:31.200Because their delicacy renders them unfit for practice and experience in the great business of life1.00
00:15:36.620and the hardy enterprises of war, as well as the arduous cares of state. Besides, their attention
00:15:42.380is so much engaged with the necessary nurture of their children that nature has made them the
00:15:47.560fittest for domestic cares, and children have not judgment or will of their own.
00:15:54.840Depend upon it, sir. This is in a letter. It is dangerous to open such a source of controversy
00:15:59.960and altercation, as would be opened by attempting to change the qualifications of voters.
00:16:04.900there will be no listen to this he says we can't go tampering with this he says there will be no
00:16:10.420end of it new claims will arise when will we demand a vote lads from 12 to 21 will think
00:16:16.280their rights not enough attended to and every man who has not a dime will demand an equal voice
00:16:22.740with any other in all acts of state it tends to confound and destroy all distinctions
00:16:29.100and surrender all ranks to one common level you want to talk about prophetic and you want to talk
00:16:35.220about a man who understood what's what yeah that's an incredible quote john adams this is the same
00:16:41.220very same john adams who says the constitution is only fit for religious moral people wholly0.61
00:16:45.900unfit for any other good grief yeah the early the early centuries of america it was a white
00:16:52.280free proper owning men that could vote like that's just who voted so we had a democracy and0.61
00:16:56.280And they saw that as good because they were coming out of a monarchy, a tyranny of a king that could abandon and say, oh, I'm not going to protect you.
00:20:29.800Aristotle called that out with like the rich and the poor.
00:20:31.740said you got to be very careful so like in the athenian states for instance it was it was men
00:20:36.680that were free and often they had to have military service but the point with the rich and the poor
00:20:40.860is like if you make suffrage universal and you give it to all the poor will be greater in number
00:20:45.020that's how resources are distributed and they're going to demand of the rich so policies and
00:20:49.460candidates that want to say well we distribute wealth we'll give free handouts and you give all0.92
00:20:54.200of the poor all of the slaves and you add women into that too you'll have a mass of 80 percent
00:20:58.800of people that want the stuff that the rich have and so all of these states from athens from rome
00:21:03.160and others if there was voting it was very carefully guarded you had to be the son of a
00:21:08.060citizen you had to own property you had to have some of them even the time to do it so that had
00:21:12.760to be your profession was to vote you had to have military service you had to be all in ties to it
00:21:18.200and so in that way you didn't have masses of people with little to their name voting to take
00:21:22.700it from the rich well said and the reason why we're mentioning this right here at the outset
00:21:26.720is because yeah we are not 19th amendment respecters but beyond that to be a little bit
00:21:32.040to not just pick on you know women having the vote um we really what we despise is universal
00:21:39.180suffrage it's not just it's not just the 19th amendment um but all together and here's the0.62
00:21:45.520funny thing is like pretty much every red-blooded american right whether you're you're white black
00:21:51.300male female pretty much everyone disagrees with universal suffrage and what i mean by that is
00:21:58.380nobody thinks that two-year-olds should be voting yep right right so everybody at some point it's
00:22:03.100kind of like the argument like everybody's a cessationist at some point right like like nobody
00:22:07.120thinks that we have apostles of christ who are eyewitness you know i witness you know people to
00:22:12.400the the you know the uh to jesus christ himself to the resurrected christ and are being commissioned
00:22:17.600by him for writing new books of the bible to be added to the canon today right so like no matter
00:22:22.080where you land on that theological issue of you know continuationism cessationism everybody is a
00:22:27.720cessationist at some level and to be fair everyone's a continuationist to some level because we still
00:22:32.480think there are certain spiritual gifts like mercy helps administration teaching uh that still
00:22:37.240exists so everybody believes in some part something's continued and also to some so some part
00:22:42.780something ceased so the question is simply at that point a matter of degree it's a question
00:22:48.040of the matter of degree nobody believes in boundless universal suffrage we all agree
00:22:53.060that there are certain there are certain elements and certain sectors of the populace whether you
00:22:59.140limit to children or on on the other end it's like if somebody has dementia right right if
00:23:04.220somebody's is felons you know and this is strictly hypothetical i i would never stoop so low to give
00:23:09.340But if somebody has dementia and doesn't know where they are, they shouldn't be able to vote, much less be the president of the United States.
00:23:18.940So whether it's the very elderly, we love the elderly, but those who literally are starting to, their mind is beginning to degrade, or the child, everybody, I think, just about with common sense agrees, yeah, voting shouldn't be everyone.
00:23:39.340Yeah. And not only that, but this has been, Wes, like you said, this has been kind of a no-duh for most of history.
00:23:47.100Now, Nate, let's show quote number two.
00:23:49.420This is from a political writer and thinker named Michael Walsh.
00:23:55.100In no previous historical iteration of either a republic or democracy was universal suffrage allowed or even contemplated.
00:24:02.500The Greeks and the Romans had a quaint notion that only productive male citizens, especially those who put their lives, honor, and sacred fortunes, there's the line again, on the line for their city, nation, state, or empire, and who bought their own weapons and armor, by the way, could earn the right to vote.
00:24:19.540There was some sense where it was passed down through citizenship,
00:24:23.300but then also there was, as Wes said, sometimes provisions for men who fought in war,
00:24:29.660they could earn citizenship if they survived long enough to come back to Rome
00:24:33.520and kind of be not necessarily the same thing,
00:24:37.620but kind of commissioned as an officer would be kind of a similar way of thinking about it now
00:24:42.080or being a veteran who returned in good standing, that sort of thing.
00:24:45.900so this this has been this has been uh kind of normal human thinking about this topic and wes
00:24:53.360and i were talking both wes and i moved to texas and wes it would be good for you to share the
00:24:56.780comment that you said about voting in texas elections yeah so it's very easy you know for
00:25:02.480three white men that are you know property owning have children members of protestant churches i was
00:25:08.000adopted i don't know my birth father as far as we know as far as who are you calling white you
00:25:13.160could be an albino yeah who knows jolt can't vote so it's very easy for three of us to sit
00:25:19.400here and say like well universal suffrage is a farce which of course it is but here's the deal
00:25:23.360i'll take texas for an example i didn't grow up here i didn't even grow up in the south i grew up
00:25:27.920in the north in pennsylvania and new york moved to texas a couple years ago i should not be allowed
00:25:32.880to vote here i don't have a connection to this land like my children maybe even my grandchildren
00:25:37.860yes they should have the right to if they stay here and they put down roots but if tomorrow
00:25:42.360morning a decree went out you have to have three generations of continuous living productive
00:25:47.320employment uh living according to the law no felonies ownership membership in a church if
00:25:53.000that's required and i would lose my right to vote in texas and never be able to gain it in the rest
00:25:57.520of my life i would be perfectly fine with that i would sleep i would be happy to not have to go
00:26:02.900i can't vote yes i don't have to go to the municipality now once every two years and like
00:26:09.160look at a bunch of names and be like gosh these all sound terrible like i'd be fine with that
00:26:13.240right and you would know that those who could vote exactly those just laws those who could vote in
00:26:19.000your state where you're raising your children um would be the most informed responsible moral
00:26:25.000upright voters that you could possibly have you would know that that um you couldn't vote but the
00:26:31.400um but the state of texas would only improve exactly yep and so it's great i think i have
00:26:38.120good ideas and make good choices on bonds that this or the other but i could recognize even
00:26:42.160though i in the macro in the individual i think would be a very capable voter by god's grace
00:26:47.240i can recognize if that was taken away for even more capable those who may be voted more reliably
00:26:52.960as a whole and i'm not part of that group because of children or ownership or heritage or whatever
00:26:58.020be perfectly fine with that so if you're here like i don't like that idea of taking that right away
00:27:01.680like who cares you go vote every two years you don't have something in your calendar now yeah
00:27:06.180The question is not about, what about my rights?
00:27:08.260The question is, what is going to be good, number one, for the glory of God in accordance
00:29:00.000Because they don't any longer have ownership over their own time and labor and skills.
00:29:06.560The government must provide them to you.
00:29:08.580The government must provide them to you.
00:29:10.820So all that being said, there are certain rights that are inalienable, like the right to life and self-defense and these things.
00:29:18.080And then there are other rights that when you say, this is my right, what you're really doing is you're infringing upon someone else's rights.
00:29:24.940You're saying, you don't have a right to your labor, or you don't have a right to your money, right, because of welfare.
00:29:30.740I have a right to the money that you have acquired by your work.
00:29:37.480Not exactly the same, but voting is not an inalienable—there are distinctions, but it is not an inalienable right, like the right to self-defense.
00:29:45.940If it was, then anyone who lives in a monarchy is somehow unnatural.
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00:35:10.620into talking a little bit about some of the roots of the movement that pushed for women to have the
00:35:18.300right to vote. Honestly, this is a fascinating historical time period, and there were a lot
00:35:24.160and a lot of moving parts. And so we're not going to do it justice here. I found it super
00:35:30.300interesting as I researched and as I've researched in the past, like just from a purely conceptual
00:35:36.680idea, like what was going on. Again, I'm more and more convinced that we need to take hope in the
00:35:43.720fact that even when we look now back at the beginning of America, and we say they had
00:35:49.480everything right, it was so stable, it was so solid, and it was, and they had a lot more right
00:35:53.100than we do now. But even then, there were always moving parts, always moving pieces. And that
00:35:58.440should give us encouragement, because we live in a time with a lot of moving parts and a lot of
00:36:01.960moving pieces. And all it takes, while it's, Joel, you're famous for saying this, it's not easy,
00:36:07.300but it's simple. All it takes is for us to be wise and courageous and to live in the time that God
00:36:12.400has put us in and and to act accordingly right so it's not complicated yep but it is hard yep
00:36:17.860you know or it's not easy but it is simple yeah yeah i found it really encouraging i'm sorry
00:36:23.040michael but uh yesterday you said like it's 80 years that things typically happen so the
00:36:26.660revolutionary war 1776 1780 to the civil war yep civil war then to world war ii and we are we are
00:36:33.960on the cusp of a generation that is things are changing quickly the american caesar yep american
00:36:39.640he's coming back baron trump he's coming we took two l's and now we're gonna we're gonna take the
00:36:44.480w yeah there we go yeah seriously good so there was um i mentioned already the quaker um influence
00:36:50.860in this but there was a very deep spiritual movement going on underneath the push for women's
00:36:58.640equality in the vote and what's really interesting is the way that in the first wave of feminism as
00:37:06.760they were pushing for, and by the way, they were pushing for a lot. It was a whole movement. They
00:37:10.160were pushing for temperance. That's true. They were pushing for universal suffrage. They were
00:37:15.380pushing for many, many other public policies rather than just the right for women to vote.0.76
00:37:22.940They were pushing for divorce laws. They were pushing for all sorts of things. But underneath
00:37:29.220it all... They were pushing against head coverings in church. Absolutely. That was a big one. Yep,
00:37:32.780that's absolutely right underneath it all was a sense of uh they would not have articulated it
00:37:38.440like we do now of the divine feminine but there was a sense of spiritual empowerment for women
00:37:43.760as well um and the movement for for being in a christian time was incredibly anti-christian
00:37:52.660like no one could come out and say we hate christianity we want to do away with all of it
00:37:57.480just would not have been viable. But even people that are now regarded as heroines in history,
00:38:04.160people like Elizabeth Cady Stanton, she said this about the movement. So Nate, this is the third
00:38:10.200quote. She said, the Bible and the church have been the greatest stumbling blocks in the way1.00
00:38:17.700of women's emancipation. And so in a very real sense. The Bible still is. The church is not.
00:38:27.480we used to have two safeguards that's right that's right but now we only have one sadly the church1.00
00:38:33.920is and i'll throw this in here too uh jewish women were a big part of the women's suffrage
00:38:38.800movement they were involved they organized they rallied they funded no and you're i believe it
00:38:44.020or not jewish women were a part of this movement i can't believe it but you're i don't know if
00:38:49.420you're going to talk about it here communism and socialism yep stemming from the same branch
00:38:53.880Karl Marx communist manifesto Marx was Jewish there's a revolutionary spirit that contributed
00:38:58.520not all of them like Elizabeth Cady Stanton was not Jewish for instance but they were very much
00:39:02.580involved in pushing suffrage and temperance and all these things yeah and probably I imagine there
00:39:07.020was probably I think you said this Wes so I don't think I'm just imagining right but um like with a
00:39:11.420like a Christian version of pushing women's rights and then a non-Christian yes like like a spiritual
00:39:17.280the Jewish women who were involved in that trying to stop you know um you know stop the patriarchy
00:39:23.240They did it through a thin Christian veneer for those who would, you know, that that kind of controlled opposition would be more compelling, more persuasive, and then they also did it just through a secular vein as well.0.79
00:39:37.940Yep. In fact, Nate, we could jump right over to the screenshots then. This was from a track that was put out by actually a Catholic group. And one of the things, and I have it over here on the right, these are little snippets from that track.
00:39:56.480It says this. It says, first, there are millions of socialists in this country, and all are unanimous for women's suffrage because they hope by the women's vote to help themselves politically.
00:40:11.740All socialists are opposed to anything Christian, but they bitterly hate and attack Catholics.
00:40:18.260Why should Catholics join themselves with such—I can't read that last word.
00:40:22.780Such a body. I can read this next one, too.1.00
00:40:24.740And then the next one, second, the great cry of the suffrage body is for the individual liberty.
00:40:31.280They demand the vote because they object to their husbands, fathers and brothers voting for them.
00:40:36.840And so it makes, it's so interesting to me, the connection with the Jewish influence in the communist and socialist revolutions in Europe.0.54
00:40:45.360So the socialists were like 100 unanimous is what that quote said.
00:40:48.200yep like there's a million socialists in this country and unanimously uh unanimously if there's
00:40:53.740one thing we agree on it's uh women should vote everyone should vote but women in particular in
00:40:58.700this case american communism had its real swell in the 20s and 30s it died down with obviously
00:41:03.900like the red scare and everything but that was the the high watermark for the american socialist
00:41:08.100party presidential candidates all of that and to the point it was a big movement actually had a
00:41:12.580decent size and it was unanimous voting rights for all yep because that that eliminates all
00:41:18.620hierarchy and all distinction um and really man did a number on western civilization just that
00:41:26.060idea which we don't need to do it's old territory for us but again there's more going on here when
00:41:32.360we when we say repeal the 19th amendment there's more going on than than hating women right right
00:41:39.380uh which for the record for the for the clip's sake we're not saying we need none of us hate
00:41:44.380women no but the claim would be that's all we care about didn't all three of our wives my wife
00:41:48.700voted yeah yep like and that's another thing just i've mentioned it before but real quick and someone
00:41:52.900asked it too real quick so we um we are people who have convictions all three of us are men who
00:41:58.880have convictions and principles but there's a difference between being principled and being
00:42:03.420an ideologue um an ideologue will um will you know in god's sweet providence there will be
00:42:10.960occasional moments where something really good will be right within his grasp and he will pick
00:42:17.560it up and throw it down and crush it on the floor um in in the name of the perfect it's like
00:42:24.200you know if i can if i can't have absolute perfection now then we'll have nothing good
00:42:30.620you know we can't have nice things unless we have everything i want um we are not ideologues right
00:42:36.020response ministries um is a ministry that loves theology we love principles we're deeply
00:42:41.760conservative we hate what what god would consider to be genuine compromise um and yet at the same
00:42:48.340time although all those things are true we are not ideologues in fact we hate ideology so that
00:42:54.580being said um if there was something on the docket that like you know to repeal the 19th
00:43:00.600amendment we would vote for it with our wives yeah now here's here's the thing you know for
00:43:05.480all the bad faith listeners and there's hundreds who listen to every second of every episode
00:43:12.200hoping that this is the time i'm gonna get you and shut you down um so for you there's nothing
00:43:19.400i can say to appease you but you know those guys the bad faith listeners to our ministry they're
00:43:23.500going to think oh well that's that's hypocrisy right that's the only category that they could
00:43:27.560think of is um you think women shouldn't vote but you had your wives vote with you for donald trump
00:43:33.240in 2024 that's hypocritical and we would say no um that's strategic so if there was literally on
00:43:42.060the ballot um a bill for for recalling you know repealing the 19th amendment we would vote with0.99
00:43:50.560our wives for that um and the reason why is because until the female vote is repealed the
00:43:59.400way i see it and i've said this before but i'll say it again is it for every man in our country
00:44:04.620half of his vote was stripped away from him that's ultimately what's going on your vote
00:44:10.460was stripped away from it's it's not like it was just like when the this is the best way i could
00:44:15.640explain it it's just like when the fed prints money when they print money they don't actually
00:44:20.400create money they they actually inflate money they devalue all the money that's already out there
00:44:26.640so when they print a trillion dollars what they actually did is however many trillion dollars
00:44:31.480were already in circulation they took a little bit away from that so too with the 19th amendment
00:44:35.740they didn't create an extra vote they took half of your vote and so until the 19th amendment is
00:44:42.620repealed my wife votes with me because what she's doing of her own volition for the record
00:44:48.580because she's a woman who fears the Lord
00:48:11.400Because if we were to repeal the amendments related to universal suffrage, 19th Amendment primarily being the one that we're talking about today, that actually doesn't fix the problem for us.
00:48:22.520Because the delegated power to determine who gets to vote is actually in the original Constitution up to the states.
00:48:34.740But if we were actually going to fix this problem, we as a nation would have to pass a positive amendment that says only men who are heads of household and own property and have been here this long, etc., all the stipulations that we're saying are allowed to vote.
00:48:52.220it's kind of similar to the abortion issue except in the in the other direction obviously there's
00:48:56.980separate topics but also in in the uh in the inverse uh with with abortion it's like dobs
00:49:02.920praise god it beats the heck out of row right yep you know right but to be fair like a lot of our
00:49:09.420abolitionist friends who we love like they would say dobs is a wicked decision right and in the
00:49:14.780technical sense in the biblical sense they're right right um because the right just decision
00:49:21.360is not um you know what states can uh decide to whether or not they want to kill babies
00:49:28.880no the just position is uh to actually not just say roe is done and now it's just a state's issue
00:49:36.100no the just decision is at the federal level now states can go against it and then and then the
00:49:41.460state would be exclusively moral morally responsible for god for that wicked decision
00:49:46.280but at the federal level to say uh i'm sorry but under christian nationalism the human sacrifice0.67
00:49:52.060must end that's right the molek worship must end so not just saying uh no more roe but saying uh
00:49:58.160no no no no uh we're going it's because because from roe to dobbs is really kind of from like a
00:50:02.680negative to a neutral right but the neutral is still negative it's still not just and so what
00:50:07.480you're saying is with the 19th now back to our topic at hand um repealing the 19th would kind
00:50:13.380to be similar to like a dob's decision it's like okay we recognize the 19th was wicked um but it
00:50:18.820wouldn't really be until two things happen well three things repealing the 19th and then at the
00:50:23.540federal level there would need to be a positive amendment that they would have to pass they would
00:50:28.240say um only so and so can vote whoever however we decide that um and then at the state level
00:50:35.940there would also have to be um a positive decision made uh for each state not necessarily if a federal
00:50:42.040amendment is passed that supersedes anything in the state unless the state consciously went
00:50:47.020against it no no like no state was allowed to say after the 14th amendment no black man can vote
00:50:54.460right the federal constitution supersedes all state laws as a state can't contradict okay but
00:51:01.420if the federal constitution did that um and the positive amendment so not just repealing the 19th
00:51:06.640but a positive amendment of this is who can vote at the federal level constitutionally and then
00:51:11.420let's say it wouldn't be texas but let's say new jersey like let's say new jersey is uh no everybody
00:51:17.280can still vote and they're voting in a national election you're saying that um it just won't
00:51:21.580count yes because that's where power matters because the constitution says right right the
00:51:26.580constitution says the powers not specifically delegated to the federal government in the
00:51:30.480constitution belong to the state at that point the constitution is delegating to itself the power to
00:51:36.560decide who gets to vote and so a state might still try and say you can go pound sand and then it
00:51:42.140would be whether or not the federal government has the willpower to enforce that new voting
00:51:47.120amendment on new jersey in this hypothetical situation what does uh steve dace always says
00:51:52.600and i think he says it really well which by the way i don't because i don't want to get him in
00:51:56.160trouble he steve dace great guy loves the lord coming to our conference he would disagree with
00:52:01.260this entire episode probably maybe but we still love him um maybe i don't know who knows the
00:52:06.820oversize window it's moving so quick maybe you know maybe by the time we get to the conference
00:52:10.540six weeks from now steve dace is going to get up there and be like yep repeal the night who knows
00:52:14.700but uh but anyways but he always says uh we are not we are not a nation of laws right did you
00:52:21.080yes we're not a nation of laws we're a nation of political will yeah he said we're not a nation of
00:52:24.860laws and never have been yeah we're a nation of political will and always will be yes something
00:52:29.020something like that which is so true like even when you saw the standoff between like biden and
00:52:34.380some of the uh the governors state governors you know of the southern border you know they were all
00:52:38.960like one by one all the republican states were it was like come and take it kind of thing like at
00:52:44.840the end of the day somebody has to exercise the will the power what i've realized it the words on
00:52:50.420the paper they don't really matter that much political will and power like an arizona abortion
00:52:56.120on the law in the constitution was illegal none of them would enforce it there was no political
00:53:01.500will gay marriage as approval of it in the american public goes from 40 to 30 to 20 one way or another0.88
00:53:07.520will not be legal it is all downstream they change and they do matter because then they teach and
00:53:13.100toodle and uh tutor instruct tutor and instruct uh but ultimately it's will so and that's why
00:53:19.980i think the christian caesar happens before yeah 20 years of well how many states have to ratify
00:53:26.200that's what i was leading up to this is this is not and it's look the overtime window is moving
00:53:31.180fast enough that we're not blackpilling right we're just right but there's two ways there can
00:53:35.420be a convention of states which has never been done for a constitutional amendment or an amendment
00:53:41.560has to pass with two-thirds of both chambers of uh the legislative branch so the house and the
00:53:47.800senate and then three quarters of the states have to agree to it ratify it for an amendment to pass
00:53:53.860so well you know what this is what i know about these united states of america we have had in0.96
00:53:59.300our history two and i repeat only two opportunities to elect a female president that's right and we
00:54:06.840said resounding resoundingly no hell no hell no that's right in both cases and as brian so they
00:54:13.660would say america we were so real for that we had two opportunities to elect a female president we
00:54:19.280said no both times america you were so real for that yeah so i'm hopeful this is why as all of
00:54:25.480these debates were happening in the states and then even leading up to the passage of the 19th
00:54:30.300amendment federally people were really opposed to it i mean there were guys who had their eyes
00:54:35.100wide open to what was going on and they warned and they they pled and they argued against it
00:54:41.860because they knew, number one, if it does get passed,
01:08:52.580And we do want to save some time at the end for some questions.
01:08:55.560And we do want to honor our promise to, especially the one with the super chat that we mentioned we would touch on earlier.
01:09:01.320But if you do have questions along this topic, we'll try and get to some of those as well.
01:09:05.120So you can start putting those in the chat as well.
01:09:07.880Put a question in front of it, or you make sure you use proper punctuation with the question mark at the end so that Nathan knows to mark it for us later on.
01:09:15.840Well, obviously, as we are finding out, elections have consequences.
01:09:19.920And the vote and the passage of the 19th Amendment had consequences as well.
01:09:25.940And there's a lot of different directions we can go with this.
01:09:28.300The fact that women were voting gave them the power to vote against their husbands, in part with prohibition, in part with divorce laws.
01:09:38.180But in general, too, there's a sense where a woman's nature is going to be more compassionate, more focused on tending to the needs rather than administrating justice.
01:09:52.160and so you can look through history and you can see how largely and i'm going to quote a study0.84
01:09:57.480here in a minute um largely the the result of women voting in the public forum in federal0.99
01:10:04.240issues and state issues has been we need we see pain well what we need to do now is vote1.00
01:10:11.560so that federal or state tax money goes to alleviating that pain right and then what
01:10:18.660happens unfortunately is that what people who want to push social change all they need to do
01:10:26.040is convince half of the population women that there is an abuse or an oppression or a pain or
01:10:33.080something like that because a woman's heart is naturally going to go to that and that's beautiful0.98
01:10:36.720and good like that we've we've talked about that a lot of times we want moms tending to skin knees
01:10:42.560and and bruises it's it's beautiful yeah like we should be yep i feel like we've been clear but
01:10:47.480let's be clear again um there is nothing about the god-ordained nature of a woman that we despise
01:10:54.680it's wonderful but what we're saying is that it's only wonderful when it's in its role right it's
01:11:01.680wonderful uh in the same way that a navy seal is wonderful that's right you know but but but all
01:11:08.360your navy sealness um is is not you know well unless it's like uh arnold schwarzenator kindergarten
01:11:14.480and cop did you ever see you know maybe it comes in in handy in a in a you know children kind of
01:11:20.080situation and defending them but the point is that um a hammer is wonderful for a nail right
01:11:25.920a screwdriver is wonderful for a screw you know a saw is wonderful for making cuts um so we we love
01:11:32.040women and we love their nature but um but that nurturing instinct of um someone's in pain and
01:11:40.160crying out for help and i want to go to them that is a great instinct for children in your home
01:11:46.560that is not a great instinct for going to the voting booth when you have a full-blown invasion
01:11:53.060at your southern border and a ton of propaganda from liberal media saying look at this poor
01:11:59.980ai generated you know picture of a little girl being ripped away by ice from her mother and1.00
01:12:05.180And then all these single, white, college-educated Marxist women go to the voting booth and make terrible decisions, whereas their nature, it is in the right direction.1.00
01:12:18.500I know we'll get in trouble with that one, but their nature is in the right direction.0.97
01:12:21.720It's just being funneled incorrectly because you take that same concern and sympathy, maybe not so much empathy, but sympathy and nurturing spirit, and you give them three kids.
01:12:33.220and gosh they're going to be they're going to be doing great yep they're going to be doing great
01:12:37.880so yeah and this is exactly what has played out a 2002 study in the journal of political economy
01:12:45.920this is going to be the next quote this is by two researchers named john lott and lawrence kenny
01:12:50.800and they they found that this was the net result of women entering the the voting pool they said
01:13:00.200This paper examines the growth of government during this century, so that's the 19th century, as a result of giving women the right to vote.
01:13:07.660Using cross-sectional time series data for 1870 to 1940, we examined state government expenditures and revenues,
01:13:14.980as well as voting by U.S. House and Senate state delegations and the passage of a wide range of different state laws.
01:13:22.360Suffrage coincided with immediate increases in state government expenditures and revenue
01:13:27.720and more liberal voting patterns for federal representatives1.00
01:13:30.820because they were now getting pressure from women1.00
01:13:33.580to cater and to court the women's vote.0.90
01:13:36.360And these effects continued growing over time1.00
01:13:38.600as more women took advantage of the franchise,1.00
01:32:59.520And even if it's with men, it's still governed and dominated by female sensibilities, female, you know, the cackling hens of HR.0.99
01:33:08.580You know, it's all just our entire world is a female longhouse.0.84
01:33:12.960So to allow him once a week or once a month even to get out of the feminine longhouse for a couple hours and go smoke a cigar with some guys or whatever it is to talk.0.97
01:33:26.760and because you know what men end up doing in those contexts it's like well there there's nothing
01:33:31.880productive they're just no no it's it's only productive it is only productive guys do not
01:33:37.140get together and talk about the weather we don't we get together and we're talking about philosophy
01:33:42.740and politics and theology it's like the gk chesterton quote where um he says you know people
01:33:47.700always say um you can talk about anything except for politics and and uh religion he says i talk
01:33:53.420about nothing but politics and religion because there's nothing else worth talking about yeah
01:33:57.160and that's what men do um you know and they get together and they talk about those kinds of things
01:34:03.120and and they throw out ideas and then and then another man in a truly you know masculine fashion0.96
01:34:08.820will say that's dumb no that's dumb you know and then it'll be like well why is it dumb you know0.93
01:34:13.840and then they start to hash it out and then you know three other guys they pipe in you know and0.98
01:34:19.300and then and then you go back like the group chat yeah and then you go back to your wife and your
01:34:25.240kids and you kind of are pondering and thinking about it over the next few weeks and then you do
01:34:29.440it again and they're all being sharpened and being shaped and and being bettered it so it's0.83
01:34:35.420it's a really good thing so all that being said wives especially young wives start the habit early
01:34:41.300do not be threatened by your husband having male friends yeah i do want to hit jenny weston just
01:34:48.600said i don't know maybe where he or she is coming from with this the pubs also sent drunken men home
01:34:53.420to beat their wives and having spent his paycheck to starving children alcohol was a scourge on
01:34:58.560england and america in the early days there was a lot of drunkenness and violence and you read they
01:35:04.580they had really grappled with what do you do with men stumbling drunk in the street every night
01:35:10.060violent railing abusive like those are real problems and so the temperance movement part
01:35:15.040it was of course like the the men are getting together and i don't like it and then some real
01:35:19.440problems of how do you address all of these workers that are drunk blind on a daily basis
01:35:24.400and and that's that is a difficult problem to address by the civil magistrate but it would seem
01:35:30.160the 19th amendment was not or what the 17th think oh the prohibition um was not the way to do it so
01:35:37.200there were real concerns and i understand the problem you have when hundreds of thousands of
01:35:40.240of men well it's kind of like civil rights right so it's like were there real racists and were
01:35:44.720jim crow laws unjust and those yeah sure um but but to have a legislative order and and a de facto
01:35:52.140pseudo new constitution that effectively replaced the actual constitution of the united states that
01:35:58.880then became the beachhead to ram through alphabet soup you know lgbt lmnop rights and everybody
01:36:05.940says well i i'm in that amendment too you know i'm i find myself here and i i'm an oppressed
01:36:11.220minority and i'm an oppressed minority um no something needed to happen there really was
01:36:16.320um not just marxism you know made-up sin racism but actual animus um unjustifiable hatred on the
01:36:23.820basis of ethnicity there were really were not not necessarily everyone by any stretch but there
01:36:29.800were some cases of that uh but there were ways to combat that uh without coming up with um a set of
01:36:37.900laws that uh replaced our nation's constitution and paved legislatively the way for all the the
01:36:47.160wokeness that we see today if you don't like wokeness you should question the civil rights
01:36:52.100movement you should yep okay all right can we see that we have a few more super chats that we want
01:36:57.420to make sure we hit um so bj wins bjj wins again oh no above that sorry 80s nostalgia guy 10
01:37:05.820thanks 80s um he says do you believe that female christian teachers on youtube are trying to find
01:37:12.540a loophole to be able to teach men many of these women have thousands of followers both men and
01:37:18.040women and teach theology i can speak to that i'll try to do it concise i'd be disappointed if you
01:37:23.960seven words in i was like yes i don't even know what you're going to finish this with i agree
01:37:27.300um so so this is what i think um so i actually am going to go with no i'm going to give the0.76
01:37:33.260benefit that i so to again the question to be fair to the question do you believe that female
01:37:37.980christian teachers so they're christian and they're female on youtube are trying to find
01:37:43.240a loophole to be able to teach men so we're weighing in i actually motives so we think are
01:37:47.560motives exactly so um number one we're in the realm of speculation so it's already we're on you
01:37:52.140know we're on um thin ice you know um so so i can't say anything definitively but if you're
01:37:57.920asking me my my best guess i would actually say no i i don't think that they're doing it because
01:38:03.420they want um because they're trying to find a loophole to teach men i think they're just they
01:38:08.840just want to teach they just want to talk they have opinions i don't think they're like i really
01:38:12.980really hope that this many men tune into my podcast this week because i really actually want
01:38:17.760to shape men no i think they just they want to have a podcast they want to be a celebrity they
01:38:22.880want to be famous they want to they have ideas they have a dream they want to have a voice they
01:38:27.020want to have a platform and i think that they actually would be genuinely um content if uh if
01:38:33.620it turned out that their um entire audience was 100 female so long as it was still a relatively
01:38:39.860large audience i think they really would honest to god be content at the end of the day if they
01:38:44.520found out here's the metrics um you have a podcast that's followed by a million people it's successful
01:38:49.960it's large you're you're a micro celebrity um and it's 100 women i don't think they i think they
01:38:56.420would love that they'd be like great so i really don't think it's that they want to teach men
01:38:59.940i think it's just that they want to be in the public square and publicly teach um here's here's
01:39:07.120the only thing that i disagree and this has been my position for multiple years at this point i've
01:39:12.560said it before but i'll say it again titus 2 because people always say well then what's the
01:39:16.820problem with that right older women get to teach younger women they're like the bible allows for
01:39:20.320that women teaching women um and if men are tuning in that's not their fault they're not making men
01:39:24.660tune into the podcast and you know like um so they can't be held responsible for that i'm with you i
01:39:30.240hear you here's the difference this is where you know your your normie kind of complementarian
01:39:35.320calvinistic you know uh titus 2 respecter you know alleged respecter it's like joel i don't
01:39:41.900see the problem. Why are you being so extreme? Because my exegesis of Titus 2, which I do believe
01:39:48.860is a historic exegesis, I don't think it's extreme. I think it is the correct position.
01:39:54.220Is it when the Apostle Paul says that older women should train younger women and teach them the good,
01:40:01.520that that headline right there, the good, that older women are to teach younger women,
01:40:06.760is not a blank canvas for anything that you want to include in that bucket but that the good right0.99
01:40:14.940that's the overarching like so what class are women teaching they're teaching a class called
01:40:19.020the good okay and what's the curriculum for this class that they're teaching to women the good
01:40:25.200well paul actually then begins to list it out so i don't think it's they can teach anything
01:40:30.260that you might relatively be able to consider good.
01:40:34.840No, I think Paul then actually specifies what the good is.