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00:03:11.800 all right all right welcome back here we are it's a monday afternoon for those of you who

00:03:21.140 are new to the channel uh a very merry ga good afternoon we've got our very own michael belch

00:03:27.480 he's an elder in our church covenant bible church by the way if you're looking for a church

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00:03:59.100 had some super chats that we need to hit. Oh, we have. Okay, let's do it. So Nathan, let's go back

00:04:04.260 up to uh yeah a bunch here so we've got uh from chd super chat uh thank you very much chd yes and 1.00

00:04:13.720 shout out to the angry feminists amen granddad farms super chat 49.99 thank you very much granddad 1.00

00:04:19.880 farms very generous whoa super awesome that's a family i've talked to them before on x wonderful

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00:04:53.780 of King Jesus. So thank you so much, Granddad Farms. Okay. So he said, Idaho is on board with

00:04:58.820 repealing the 20th century if not longer appreciate you gentlemen same to you granddad

00:05:03.240 idaho the house put out a resolution asking the supreme court to revisit a bergerfeld versus

00:05:08.660 how to be the gay marriage ruling so the house came out and said hey i saw why don't you redo

00:05:13.260 this one so idaho leading the way to go dude all right we gave a lot of credit to granddad farms

00:05:18.720 but this one okay so this is uh ben huffsteadler i think so yeah okay ben huffsteadler uh he gave

00:05:25.820 us a hundred dollar super chat god bless see all you have to do is do an episode that the people

00:05:31.300 it's a i'm telling you it is a crowd pleaser right when you think of what gets the people going

00:05:37.180 right what what is what is so well such a centrist moderate position well within the bounds of the

00:05:44.840 overton window like beloved a position that's that's just beloved by all repeal the 19th

00:05:51.500 amendment the people love it the super chats begin to flow right if you we need it we need

00:05:58.680 the support if you are a 19th amendment repealing fan super chat get it in you can do it god bless

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00:06:12.700 he says wes could you read it said this let's go guys appreciate you all always watching how do you

00:06:18.300 suggest talking to the new age christian christian male regarding a proper christian woman conduct

00:06:25.480 head covering submission etc side note still waiting on the emo joe music single to drop

00:06:30.360 hashtag pick color for life oh piccolo yeah like i would play piccolo at the conference

00:06:37.040 so really great chance that that does not happen but i will keep it in the back of my mind we'll

00:06:43.520 hit this question at the end because michael's got a lot of material yeah that takes that takes

00:06:46.160 more time but uh we so appreciate your generosity and we will hit it michael uh can you hit those

00:06:50.420 last two yeah so this is from uh bo cannington good to see you again bo thank you thank you

00:06:54.980 again for your generosity uh just supporting your ministries keep it up god bless you you too

00:06:58.900 bo thank you very much and cole billiott a super chat 499 says cole from politica christiana here

00:07:06.480 can you all speak to the relationship with prohibition the 19th amendment um doctor yeah

00:07:12.680 we might touch on that some

00:07:14.780 good connection though 1.00

00:07:16.540 the problem with feminism 1.00

00:07:18.440 in the early 19th century is it was 1.00

00:07:20.840 touching everything

00:07:21.800 and that page Politica Christiana

00:07:24.780 that's an Instagram page, he posts tons

00:07:26.880 of great stuff from the founding fathers

00:07:28.660 actually, a lot of American history

00:07:29.920 so go check him out, Politica with an A

00:07:32.520 Christiana on Instagram

00:07:34.660 on Instagram, okay 0.86

00:07:36.040 and Christianity Unplugged, thank you very much

00:07:38.740 for the $5 repeal the 19th

00:07:40.980 Well, we're going to get into that. It's not quite so simple, actually, unfortunately, but we'll be getting to that as we go.

00:07:48.280 The funny thing, Joel, is that you mentioned, you know, we are hitting this, and you were speaking sarcastically, this middle-of-the-road, milquetoast position.

00:07:55.980 And, of course, the implication is that base people actually don't want the middle-of-the-road milquetoast position.

00:08:02.080 They want, you know, they want what's biblical and natural and historical.

00:08:05.380 Right.

00:08:05.480 however this issue of repealing the 19th amendment is quickly becoming milk toast it is more and i

00:08:13.600 remember when i first heard this question it was kind of like when i heard uh the idea that um the

00:08:18.500 the argument that the abolitionists of abortion argue for it took me a minute and then i thought

00:08:22.320 yeah it should be illegal in all cases right when i when i when i heard about repealing the 19th

00:08:27.120 amendment i kind of thought for a little bit and i thought actually yeah this seems this seems

00:08:31.900 logical but at the time i remember when i heard that that was like the most fringe thing i can

00:08:36.700 imagine and i remember my brother and my brother-in-law and i had a conversation it was kind

00:08:40.960 of in hushed tones it was like what do you think what do you think and we all agreed and when then

00:08:45.660 you know and now now it's so mainstream that places like kim pool pearl davis it's on twitter

00:08:50.780 threats like i remember i addressed it with um i think with joshua haimes who has a podcast he's

00:08:57.360 a good christian guy and i he asked me in an interview when he was just starting uh podcasting

00:09:03.400 and i think i could be wrong but nathan it was i was at a conference and i think it was 2019

00:09:09.460 no this was like 2022 2023 oh yeah you know you're right you're i'm sorry that's way too

00:09:16.220 2022 i think it was 2022 like october okay 23 okay so 23 yeah then so this is like fall of

00:09:27.060 2023 yeah so we are what we're coming up like two years ago a year and a half so that just gives

00:09:34.020 the reason why it matters is um i got i remember it went viral i got tons of death threats and i

00:09:39.600 guess that could happen today probably will we've got what like we've got no probably won't honestly

00:09:45.520 because um you've got two different categories of um the insufferable hate watchers you've got the

00:09:53.660 true like leftist progressive uh unbelievers who hate christ hate the church hate christianity 0.62

00:09:59.580 and they're the ones who would probably make it go viral you know and clip you out like your

00:10:03.900 right-wing watch yep but um but these days are much more devoted hate watchers are um

00:10:11.280 effeminate christians right who uh have nothing better to do but comb through eight hours of

00:10:18.720 content weekly um and try to clip anything they can to uh to destroy our ministry because

00:10:27.180 they're mad about something so anyway so those guys i don't think actually uh because i think

00:10:33.600 those guys as much as they hate us actually agree on repealing the 19th they can see where we're

00:10:38.040 coming from they see where we're coming yeah so we probably won't go viral but the point is we did

00:10:41.360 go viral a year and a half ago not that long ago and all that is to substantiate michael's point

00:10:47.200 I mean, we are talking about the Overton window shifting at the speed of light.

00:10:52.660 So an interesting case study about this is a man who ran for and actually won a U.S. representative seat in the state of Michigan.

00:11:03.020 And when he was in college, he went to Stanford in 2000.

00:11:07.580 He started a think tank.

00:11:09.120 It was just kind of a local campus network.

00:11:11.080 and he wrote a paper on that think tank website that completely called for the the total uh

00:11:18.220 abandonment and appeal of the 19th amendment and in it he and he's based he says you know women are

00:11:23.200 not fit by god for political rule and he went through all the things that we talked about last

00:11:27.540 friday on our episode um and then he ran for election in uh 2020 or 2022 and all of this

00:11:35.600 resurfaced and actually he backpedaled significantly um but it still came out cnn had it out it was

00:11:42.300 they had it all over their headlines uh for his election um cycle his his uh campaign tried to

00:11:49.760 kind of help him weasel out of it by saying well he was in college and he doesn't hold the position

00:11:53.620 anymore nevertheless he still beat the republican incumbent even with that in his past and blasted

00:12:01.100 all over the headlines, which I take as an interesting case study of where we are now.

00:12:07.080 He could not publicly totally endorse it, but he had that in his past, and the things

00:12:14.020 that he said were unbelievably based.

00:12:15.420 They were not just what a lot of people talk about, where they say, well, it's because

00:12:19.000 men still get drafted. 0.88

00:12:20.540 So we either have to draft women, or we have to get rid of the 19th Amendment. 0.52

00:12:24.380 Now, his was nature and God's design, and it was full-on patriarchal. 0.87

00:12:30.880 Good for him. He still won his representative seat and Trump endorsed him, which I think is, you know, an interesting commentary on the times that we live in the direction that the Overton window is still pushing right now. 0.76

00:12:47.260 i grew up like just conservative republican all the way never in all my time growing up until my

00:12:53.840 mid to late 20s did i ever hear that idea nobody talked in those categories at any platform at any

00:12:59.460 level in any popular discourse right whatsoever yep right i never even thought about repealing

00:13:06.320 the 19th until probably about 2020 and then publicly said it like 2022 and then with joshua

00:13:14.040 hames 2023 right and now i'm like oh yeah that's that's one of my more tame positions yeah so our

00:13:21.840 goal this episode is not to retread everything that we did on friday right but i do just want

00:13:26.280 to in case you're just catching this for the first time um it's important to point out that

00:13:31.900 the arguments that we're making and really the best arguments against something like the 19th

00:13:36.300 amendment is not simply equality and it's not fair that women get don't get drafted that's not the

00:13:41.960 argument that we're making we're making a patriarchal argument from creation from the

00:13:46.420 bible and even from christian tradition um over over centuries and millennia um and and that's

00:13:53.060 not like like i said we're not going to go through all of that right now um but it's interesting to

00:13:57.980 me that um that this has been the dominant approach for christian civilization for pretty

00:14:06.520 much since the beginning there's been no christian civilization that has ever put women forward

00:14:11.720 voluntarily into the public sphere in this way.

00:14:16.520 What's interesting to me also is that this actually is a question

00:14:19.540 that has been discussed in America's history a lot,

00:14:24.340 even from the very beginning.

00:14:25.920 Even from the very beginning, there were questions about,

00:14:28.220 well, we're starting something new. 0.98

00:14:29.640 Should women be allowed to vote?

00:14:30.780 And Wes and I were chatting before this about how

00:14:33.240 whether the church is leading or not,

00:14:37.460 the church always affects culture. 0.97

00:14:39.300 And one of the reasons why when the Constitution was being debated and even leading up to it and after the time it was ratified, there were already questions about whether or not women should be voting and participating in public life.

00:14:51.720 And part of it was the Quaker church polity, which allowed men and women to speak in services.

00:15:01.040 And so because they had that position, they were saying, well, this has to flow outward into the political and public sphere as well.

00:15:07.680 And so from the beginning, actually, there were calls that women ought to be given the vote.

00:15:13.600 And John Adams, I'm going to read a quote from John Adams.

00:15:17.740 He reacted very, very strongly against this.

00:15:21.300 So Nate, we'll take that first quote from Adams.

00:15:26.620 He said, this is, yeah, why exclude women? 1.00

00:15:31.200 Because their delicacy renders them unfit for practice and experience in the great business of life 1.00

00:15:36.620 and the hardy enterprises of war, as well as the arduous cares of state. Besides, their attention

00:15:42.380 is so much engaged with the necessary nurture of their children that nature has made them the

00:15:47.560 fittest for domestic cares, and children have not judgment or will of their own.

00:15:54.840 Depend upon it, sir. This is in a letter. It is dangerous to open such a source of controversy

00:15:59.960 and altercation, as would be opened by attempting to change the qualifications of voters.

00:16:04.900 there will be no listen to this he says we can't go tampering with this he says there will be no

00:16:10.420 end of it new claims will arise when will we demand a vote lads from 12 to 21 will think

00:16:16.280 their rights not enough attended to and every man who has not a dime will demand an equal voice

00:16:22.740 with any other in all acts of state it tends to confound and destroy all distinctions

00:16:29.100 and surrender all ranks to one common level you want to talk about prophetic and you want to talk

00:16:35.220 about a man who understood what's what yeah that's an incredible quote john adams this is the same

00:16:41.220 very same john adams who says the constitution is only fit for religious moral people wholly 0.61

00:16:45.900 unfit for any other good grief yeah the early the early centuries of america it was a white

00:16:52.280 free proper owning men that could vote like that's just who voted so we had a democracy and 0.61

00:16:56.280 And they saw that as good because they were coming out of a monarchy, a tyranny of a king that could abandon and say, oh, I'm not going to protect you.

00:17:02.960 I'm not going to do trade with you.

00:17:03.960 I'm going to let parliament levy taxes.

00:17:05.600 So coming out of a monarchy, they come to a democracy.

00:17:08.080 And there were a good number of men that had a stake in the future that were free.

00:17:12.080 They weren't slaves that they could vote.

00:17:14.300 And those people did decide and pass bonds and chose their delegates.

00:17:17.920 So the House of Representatives, the Senate, that's that's how it worked.

00:17:22.220 And for the most part, it was over 21, land-owning.

00:17:27.060 And at that point, if you own land, it meant you had an education.

00:17:30.220 It meant you had a stake.

00:17:31.280 The other thing was the men who fought in the Revolutionary War, the War for Independence,

00:17:37.000 I mean, when you read their documents, they said,

00:17:38.920 we pledge our lives, our honor, and our sacred for our lives, honor, and fortunes,

00:17:44.120 sacred honor and fortunes to this endeavor.

00:17:46.380 I mean, there was a sense where they really were all in it together.

00:17:49.020 They had put everything on the line.

00:17:50.800 and it was fitting to have a society where men of that caliber and that commitment had a say

00:17:57.540 and what was going to go on after the war right having people i think we said this on friday in

00:18:02.200 our episode but having people who it's um they had a stake uh when it comes to the past uh fathers

00:18:10.820 i've said it before like um honor towards your fathers in the past and hope for um for your

00:18:18.900 sons in the future you know like so you're looking at you know in both directions with

00:18:23.880 the corridors of time that you're saying i have a stake in this place it's my home it's not just a

00:18:29.580 set of propositions or an economic zone but it's my country these are my my kinsmen it is my home

00:18:36.000 and and i can trace that back in terms of heritage fathers looking back and i actually have posterity

00:18:43.300 I have a stake not only in the country's past, in its history, but in its future.

00:18:49.520 I actually am raising the next generation that will then, Lord willing, raise the next generation.

00:18:56.760 And then the free aspect, you know, like, you know, in terms of like a general equity type principle of application,

00:19:03.920 I would look at that and say, you know, today, like, we don't have slavery.

00:19:09.100 We do.

00:19:09.600 We have plenty of slaves, you know, but we don't have slavery like we once did.

00:19:12.660 it's changed, the nature of it. But I would still look at the same principle. So I would say that

00:19:18.320 if you are dependent on the state, which means ultimately the state produces nothing,

00:19:25.720 therefore the state doesn't have money, right? The United States government doesn't have money.

00:19:30.140 All it has is your money. That's all it has is your money. So when you're receiving state handouts,

00:19:36.160 What you're receiving is the taxes of your fellow citizens.

00:19:42.780 You're taking somebody else, your neighbor's money.

00:19:45.620 You're taking your neighbor's money.

00:19:46.760 And I would just say that if you're on welfare, I would like to see welfare abolished.

00:19:51.140 Now, I'd like to see it done humanely.

00:19:54.680 And I recognize that there would be a process involved.

00:19:58.340 It would take time.

00:19:59.900 But I would like to see welfare abolished because I do believe it goes against the Scripture.

00:20:04.020 That said, though, in the meantime, you would think that at minimum, yeah, if you're not

00:20:10.900 paying taxes, and instead, not only are you not paying taxes, but you're actually receiving

00:20:15.960 taxes from others, then no, you don't get an equal voice to someone who is paying for

00:20:25.660 your food and your rent.

00:20:27.840 And of course, of course not.

00:20:29.800 Aristotle called that out with like the rich and the poor.

00:20:31.740 said you got to be very careful so like in the athenian states for instance it was it was men

00:20:36.680 that were free and often they had to have military service but the point with the rich and the poor

00:20:40.860 is like if you make suffrage universal and you give it to all the poor will be greater in number

00:20:45.020 that's how resources are distributed and they're going to demand of the rich so policies and

00:20:49.460 candidates that want to say well we distribute wealth we'll give free handouts and you give all 0.92

00:20:54.200 of the poor all of the slaves and you add women into that too you'll have a mass of 80 percent

00:20:58.800 of people that want the stuff that the rich have and so all of these states from athens from rome

00:21:03.160 and others if there was voting it was very carefully guarded you had to be the son of a

00:21:08.060 citizen you had to own property you had to have some of them even the time to do it so that had

00:21:12.760 to be your profession was to vote you had to have military service you had to be all in ties to it

00:21:18.200 and so in that way you didn't have masses of people with little to their name voting to take

00:21:22.700 it from the rich well said and the reason why we're mentioning this right here at the outset

00:21:26.720 is because yeah we are not 19th amendment respecters but beyond that to be a little bit

00:21:32.040 to not just pick on you know women having the vote um we really what we despise is universal

00:21:39.180 suffrage it's not just it's not just the 19th amendment um but all together and here's the 0.62

00:21:45.520 funny thing is like pretty much every red-blooded american right whether you're you're white black

00:21:51.300 male female pretty much everyone disagrees with universal suffrage and what i mean by that is

00:21:58.380 nobody thinks that two-year-olds should be voting yep right right so everybody at some point it's

00:22:03.100 kind of like the argument like everybody's a cessationist at some point right like like nobody

00:22:07.120 thinks that we have apostles of christ who are eyewitness you know i witness you know people to

00:22:12.400 the the you know the uh to jesus christ himself to the resurrected christ and are being commissioned

00:22:17.600 by him for writing new books of the bible to be added to the canon today right so like no matter

00:22:22.080 where you land on that theological issue of you know continuationism cessationism everybody is a

00:22:27.720 cessationist at some level and to be fair everyone's a continuationist to some level because we still

00:22:32.480 think there are certain spiritual gifts like mercy helps administration teaching uh that still

00:22:37.240 exists so everybody believes in some part something's continued and also to some so some part

00:22:42.780 something ceased so the question is simply at that point a matter of degree it's a question

00:22:48.040 of the matter of degree nobody believes in boundless universal suffrage we all agree

00:22:53.060 that there are certain there are certain elements and certain sectors of the populace whether you

00:22:59.140 limit to children or on on the other end it's like if somebody has dementia right right if

00:23:04.220 somebody's is felons you know and this is strictly hypothetical i i would never stoop so low to give

00:23:09.340 But if somebody has dementia and doesn't know where they are, they shouldn't be able to vote, much less be the president of the United States.

00:23:18.940 So whether it's the very elderly, we love the elderly, but those who literally are starting to, their mind is beginning to degrade, or the child, everybody, I think, just about with common sense agrees, yeah, voting shouldn't be everyone.

00:23:39.340 Yeah. And not only that, but this has been, Wes, like you said, this has been kind of a no-duh for most of history.

00:23:47.100 Now, Nate, let's show quote number two.

00:23:49.420 This is from a political writer and thinker named Michael Walsh.

00:23:53.920 And he says this,

00:23:55.100 In no previous historical iteration of either a republic or democracy was universal suffrage allowed or even contemplated.

00:24:02.500 The Greeks and the Romans had a quaint notion that only productive male citizens, especially those who put their lives, honor, and sacred fortunes, there's the line again, on the line for their city, nation, state, or empire, and who bought their own weapons and armor, by the way, could earn the right to vote.

00:24:19.540 There was some sense where it was passed down through citizenship,

00:24:23.300 but then also there was, as Wes said, sometimes provisions for men who fought in war,

00:24:29.660 they could earn citizenship if they survived long enough to come back to Rome

00:24:33.520 and kind of be not necessarily the same thing,

00:24:37.620 but kind of commissioned as an officer would be kind of a similar way of thinking about it now

00:24:42.080 or being a veteran who returned in good standing, that sort of thing.

00:24:45.900 so this this has been this has been uh kind of normal human thinking about this topic and wes

00:24:53.360 and i were talking both wes and i moved to texas and wes it would be good for you to share the

00:24:56.780 comment that you said about voting in texas elections yeah so it's very easy you know for

00:25:02.480 three white men that are you know property owning have children members of protestant churches i was

00:25:08.000 adopted i don't know my birth father as far as we know as far as who are you calling white you

00:25:13.160 could be an albino yeah who knows jolt can't vote so it's very easy for three of us to sit

00:25:19.400 here and say like well universal suffrage is a farce which of course it is but here's the deal

00:25:23.360 i'll take texas for an example i didn't grow up here i didn't even grow up in the south i grew up

00:25:27.920 in the north in pennsylvania and new york moved to texas a couple years ago i should not be allowed

00:25:32.880 to vote here i don't have a connection to this land like my children maybe even my grandchildren

00:25:37.860 yes they should have the right to if they stay here and they put down roots but if tomorrow

00:25:42.360 morning a decree went out you have to have three generations of continuous living productive

00:25:47.320 employment uh living according to the law no felonies ownership membership in a church if

00:25:53.000 that's required and i would lose my right to vote in texas and never be able to gain it in the rest

00:25:57.520 of my life i would be perfectly fine with that i would sleep i would be happy to not have to go

00:26:02.900 i can't vote yes i don't have to go to the municipality now once every two years and like

00:26:09.160 look at a bunch of names and be like gosh these all sound terrible like i'd be fine with that

00:26:13.240 right and you would know that those who could vote exactly those just laws those who could vote in

00:26:19.000 your state where you're raising your children um would be the most informed responsible moral

00:26:25.000 upright voters that you could possibly have you would know that that um you couldn't vote but the

00:26:31.400 um but the state of texas would only improve exactly yep and so it's great i think i have

00:26:38.120 good ideas and make good choices on bonds that this or the other but i could recognize even

00:26:42.160 though i in the macro in the individual i think would be a very capable voter by god's grace

00:26:47.240 i can recognize if that was taken away for even more capable those who may be voted more reliably

00:26:52.960 as a whole and i'm not part of that group because of children or ownership or heritage or whatever

00:26:58.020 be perfectly fine with that so if you're here like i don't like that idea of taking that right away

00:27:01.680 like who cares you go vote every two years you don't have something in your calendar now yeah

00:27:06.180 The question is not about, what about my rights?

00:27:08.260 The question is, what is going to be good, number one, for the glory of God in accordance

00:27:15.360 with his word?

00:27:16.660 Number two, what is going to be good for our country and the future of our country?

00:27:21.320 My children, my posterity.

00:27:23.760 Not just, well, what about my independent, atomistic, you know, individual right?

00:27:29.800 um no like voting to be frank like just like universal income is not a right universal health

00:27:36.960 care is not right right there are there what is it active rights and passive rights is that the

00:27:41.040 delineation like so there are certain rights like like life natural rights yeah natural rights that

00:27:47.940 are god-given inalienable rights that every single human being has the individual actually has you

00:27:52.560 have a right to self-defense right you have a right to um to not just be plowed over and exploited by

00:27:59.540 by the judicial system and the law and those kinds of so it's the right to um defend yourself

00:28:04.340 in court and those kinds of things the right to true religious worship but you don't have a right

00:28:08.400 and gosh i'm going to sound like a just a normie conservative but these things are true but you

00:28:13.060 don't have a right to other people's labor right so so when it comes to you know a right to

00:28:19.000 health care well what you're saying is that somebody else who spent their life

00:28:22.800 acquiring the skills and the knowledge to be a health care professional a doctor

00:28:27.640 that he somehow has a moral obligation under the law

00:28:32.360 to devote toward you a certain portion of his time,

00:28:36.100 his energy, and his resources,

00:28:38.360 that he owes it to you.

00:28:39.580 So what you're essentially doing

00:28:41.940 is you're taking every healthcare professional

00:28:44.380 and no longer treating them as a professional,

00:28:46.560 but enslaving an entire class of people

00:28:50.220 based off of their profession.

00:28:51.580 Because you chose to go into the field of healthcare,

00:28:54.460 we have now determined that all of you are slaves.

00:28:57.520 How did you get there, Joel?

00:28:59.060 What's the correlation?

00:29:00.000 Because they don't any longer have ownership over their own time and labor and skills.

00:29:06.560 The government must provide them to you.

00:29:08.580 The government must provide them to you.

00:29:10.820 So all that being said, there are certain rights that are inalienable, like the right to life and self-defense and these things.

00:29:18.080 And then there are other rights that when you say, this is my right, what you're really doing is you're infringing upon someone else's rights.

00:29:24.940 You're saying, you don't have a right to your labor, or you don't have a right to your money, right, because of welfare.

00:29:30.740 I have a right to the money that you have acquired by your work.

00:29:34.640 20% of your income.

00:29:35.340 And it's the same with voting.

00:29:37.480 Not exactly the same, but voting is not an inalienable—there are distinctions, but it is not an inalienable right, like the right to self-defense.

00:29:45.940 If it was, then anyone who lives in a monarchy is somehow unnatural.

00:29:51.400 Right, well, then you would have to—

00:29:53.000 Yes, sinned against.

00:29:53.680 and some christians do this sadly so this is i understand why people might be confused about this

00:29:58.000 when i say some christians i mean 90 of them but um some people would go so far as to say it's not

00:30:03.840 just that uh equal weights and measures and just laws are prescribed uh in the decalogue in summary

00:30:09.600 law moral law and also through the general equity of the civil codes um but but not just that but

00:30:15.480 forms of government are explicitly prescribed in scripture so that a constitutional republic is the

00:30:22.780 only the only moral system of government and monarchy is not just a different system it's not

00:30:27.980 just different it's immoral it's sin it's actually sin um i know guys who would go that far now i

00:30:34.120 disagree that said i do think that a constitutional republic is ideal if you have a society that's fit

00:30:39.980 for that but that requires we always forget our constitutional republic that we used to have we

00:30:45.140 now you know pretend we have it you know but what we used to have it didn't just spring up out of

00:30:49.660 the ether one day it came out of a thousand years of chrysidom or at that point about 700 years of

00:30:56.100 chrysidom and and what was the common form of government for that 700 years of chrysidom

00:31:02.140 monarchy right so monarchy was the shoulders it was the giant shoulders that a constitutional

00:31:08.660 public republic eventually stood upon so after the populace a people being shaped by christian

00:31:16.620 ideals from a christian monarch for seven centuries then the people were ready they then

00:31:23.340 they were ready for self hard rule of law too that's right like crushing that's right public

00:31:27.760 executions cutting out 10 20 15 whatever of the criminals the degenerates they were violent gone

00:31:34.700 for centuries and generations once you culled all of that had a monarchy instructed for centuries

00:31:39.840 in christianity that was about the point where men that owned property that's right

00:31:44.740 then you were ready for uh self-representative government but even then um it still wasn't

00:31:52.120 universal it still wasn't for everyone it was for every household every free tax paying law

00:31:58.420 abiding household and even in that case each household had one representative namely the head

00:32:05.240 of household the father husband yeah yeah so we just we forget all these things you don't know

00:32:11.300 The universal right to voting is not a thing.

00:32:15.580 It's like, well, that's what the Bible teaches.

00:32:17.640 What Bible?

00:32:19.300 Maybe the Schofield Bible.

00:32:20.500 I was about to say, the post-World War II Bible.

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00:35:10.620 into talking a little bit about some of the roots of the movement that pushed for women to have the

00:35:18.300 right to vote. Honestly, this is a fascinating historical time period, and there were a lot

00:35:24.160 and a lot of moving parts. And so we're not going to do it justice here. I found it super

00:35:30.300 interesting as I researched and as I've researched in the past, like just from a purely conceptual

00:35:36.680 idea, like what was going on. Again, I'm more and more convinced that we need to take hope in the

00:35:43.720 fact that even when we look now back at the beginning of America, and we say they had

00:35:49.480 everything right, it was so stable, it was so solid, and it was, and they had a lot more right

00:35:53.100 than we do now. But even then, there were always moving parts, always moving pieces. And that

00:35:58.440 should give us encouragement, because we live in a time with a lot of moving parts and a lot of

00:36:01.960 moving pieces. And all it takes, while it's, Joel, you're famous for saying this, it's not easy,

00:36:07.300 but it's simple. All it takes is for us to be wise and courageous and to live in the time that God

00:36:12.400 has put us in and and to act accordingly right so it's not complicated yep but it is hard yep

00:36:17.860 you know or it's not easy but it is simple yeah yeah i found it really encouraging i'm sorry

00:36:23.040 michael but uh yesterday you said like it's 80 years that things typically happen so the

00:36:26.660 revolutionary war 1776 1780 to the civil war yep civil war then to world war ii and we are we are

00:36:33.960 on the cusp of a generation that is things are changing quickly the american caesar yep american

00:36:39.640 he's coming back baron trump he's coming we took two l's and now we're gonna we're gonna take the

00:36:44.480 w yeah there we go yeah seriously good so there was um i mentioned already the quaker um influence

00:36:50.860 in this but there was a very deep spiritual movement going on underneath the push for women's

00:36:58.640 equality in the vote and what's really interesting is the way that in the first wave of feminism as

00:37:06.760 they were pushing for, and by the way, they were pushing for a lot. It was a whole movement. They

00:37:10.160 were pushing for temperance. That's true. They were pushing for universal suffrage. They were

00:37:15.380 pushing for many, many other public policies rather than just the right for women to vote. 0.76

00:37:22.940 They were pushing for divorce laws. They were pushing for all sorts of things. But underneath

00:37:29.220 it all... They were pushing against head coverings in church. Absolutely. That was a big one. Yep,

00:37:32.780 that's absolutely right underneath it all was a sense of uh they would not have articulated it

00:37:38.440 like we do now of the divine feminine but there was a sense of spiritual empowerment for women

00:37:43.760 as well um and the movement for for being in a christian time was incredibly anti-christian

00:37:52.660 like no one could come out and say we hate christianity we want to do away with all of it

00:37:57.480 just would not have been viable. But even people that are now regarded as heroines in history,

00:38:04.160 people like Elizabeth Cady Stanton, she said this about the movement. So Nate, this is the third

00:38:10.200 quote. She said, the Bible and the church have been the greatest stumbling blocks in the way 1.00

00:38:17.700 of women's emancipation. And so in a very real sense. The Bible still is. The church is not.

00:38:27.480 we used to have two safeguards that's right that's right but now we only have one sadly the church 1.00

00:38:33.920 is and i'll throw this in here too uh jewish women were a big part of the women's suffrage

00:38:38.800 movement they were involved they organized they rallied they funded no and you're i believe it

00:38:44.020 or not jewish women were a part of this movement i can't believe it but you're i don't know if

00:38:49.420 you're going to talk about it here communism and socialism yep stemming from the same branch

00:38:53.880 Karl Marx communist manifesto Marx was Jewish there's a revolutionary spirit that contributed

00:38:58.520 not all of them like Elizabeth Cady Stanton was not Jewish for instance but they were very much

00:39:02.580 involved in pushing suffrage and temperance and all these things yeah and probably I imagine there

00:39:07.020 was probably I think you said this Wes so I don't think I'm just imagining right but um like with a

00:39:11.420 like a Christian version of pushing women's rights and then a non-Christian yes like like a spiritual

00:39:17.280 the Jewish women who were involved in that trying to stop you know um you know stop the patriarchy

00:39:23.240 They did it through a thin Christian veneer for those who would, you know, that that kind of controlled opposition would be more compelling, more persuasive, and then they also did it just through a secular vein as well. 0.79

00:39:37.940 Yep. In fact, Nate, we could jump right over to the screenshots then. This was from a track that was put out by actually a Catholic group. And one of the things, and I have it over here on the right, these are little snippets from that track.

00:39:56.480 It says this. It says, first, there are millions of socialists in this country, and all are unanimous for women's suffrage because they hope by the women's vote to help themselves politically.

00:40:11.740 All socialists are opposed to anything Christian, but they bitterly hate and attack Catholics.

00:40:18.260 Why should Catholics join themselves with such—I can't read that last word.

00:40:22.780 Such a body. I can read this next one, too. 1.00

00:40:24.740 And then the next one, second, the great cry of the suffrage body is for the individual liberty.

00:40:31.280 They demand the vote because they object to their husbands, fathers and brothers voting for them.

00:40:36.840 And so it makes, it's so interesting to me, the connection with the Jewish influence in the communist and socialist revolutions in Europe. 0.54

00:40:45.360 So the socialists were like 100 unanimous is what that quote said.

00:40:48.200 yep like there's a million socialists in this country and unanimously uh unanimously if there's

00:40:53.740 one thing we agree on it's uh women should vote everyone should vote but women in particular in

00:40:58.700 this case american communism had its real swell in the 20s and 30s it died down with obviously

00:41:03.900 like the red scare and everything but that was the the high watermark for the american socialist

00:41:08.100 party presidential candidates all of that and to the point it was a big movement actually had a

00:41:12.580 decent size and it was unanimous voting rights for all yep because that that eliminates all

00:41:18.620 hierarchy and all distinction um and really man did a number on western civilization just that

00:41:26.060 idea which we don't need to do it's old territory for us but again there's more going on here when

00:41:32.360 we when we say repeal the 19th amendment there's more going on than than hating women right right

00:41:39.380 uh which for the record for the for the clip's sake we're not saying we need none of us hate

00:41:44.380 women no but the claim would be that's all we care about didn't all three of our wives my wife

00:41:48.700 voted yeah yep like and that's another thing just i've mentioned it before but real quick and someone

00:41:52.900 asked it too real quick so we um we are people who have convictions all three of us are men who

00:41:58.880 have convictions and principles but there's a difference between being principled and being

00:42:03.420 an ideologue um an ideologue will um will you know in god's sweet providence there will be

00:42:10.960 occasional moments where something really good will be right within his grasp and he will pick

00:42:17.560 it up and throw it down and crush it on the floor um in in the name of the perfect it's like

00:42:24.200 you know if i can if i can't have absolute perfection now then we'll have nothing good

00:42:30.620 you know we can't have nice things unless we have everything i want um we are not ideologues right

00:42:36.020 response ministries um is a ministry that loves theology we love principles we're deeply

00:42:41.760 conservative we hate what what god would consider to be genuine compromise um and yet at the same

00:42:48.340 time although all those things are true we are not ideologues in fact we hate ideology so that

00:42:54.580 being said um if there was something on the docket that like you know to repeal the 19th

00:43:00.600 amendment we would vote for it with our wives yeah now here's here's the thing you know for

00:43:05.480 all the bad faith listeners and there's hundreds who listen to every second of every episode

00:43:12.200 hoping that this is the time i'm gonna get you and shut you down um so for you there's nothing

00:43:19.400 i can say to appease you but you know those guys the bad faith listeners to our ministry they're

00:43:23.500 going to think oh well that's that's hypocrisy right that's the only category that they could

00:43:27.560 think of is um you think women shouldn't vote but you had your wives vote with you for donald trump

00:43:33.240 in 2024 that's hypocritical and we would say no um that's strategic so if there was literally on

00:43:42.060 the ballot um a bill for for recalling you know repealing the 19th amendment we would vote with 0.99

00:43:50.560 our wives for that um and the reason why is because until the female vote is repealed the

00:43:59.400 way i see it and i've said this before but i'll say it again is it for every man in our country

00:44:04.620 half of his vote was stripped away from him that's ultimately what's going on your vote

00:44:10.460 was stripped away from it's it's not like it was just like when the this is the best way i could

00:44:15.640 explain it it's just like when the fed prints money when they print money they don't actually

00:44:20.400 create money they they actually inflate money they devalue all the money that's already out there

00:44:26.640 so when they print a trillion dollars what they actually did is however many trillion dollars

00:44:31.480 were already in circulation they took a little bit away from that so too with the 19th amendment

00:44:35.740 they didn't create an extra vote they took half of your vote and so until the 19th amendment is

00:44:42.620 repealed my wife votes with me because what she's doing of her own volition for the record

00:44:48.580 because she's a woman who fears the Lord

00:44:51.320 and actually respects and loves

00:44:53.660 and submits to her husband,

00:44:54.960 is she saying, Joel,

00:44:56.500 I believe that through sin and wicked men,

00:45:00.400 half of your vote was stolen from you.

00:45:03.080 But I, as your loving wife,

00:45:06.540 am going to give back.

00:45:08.080 I'm going to make restitution

00:45:09.440 and give back what was stolen from you

00:45:11.780 by voting with my husband

00:45:13.860 until the full vote belongs to him.

00:45:17.260 That's not hypocrisy.

00:45:18.580 uh that's that's social justice that's restitution it's biblical it's just it's right yeah so one of

00:45:26.360 the things that i'm seeing in the chat here is um the history of women's suffrage is actually

00:45:31.720 interesting because the 19th amendment guaranteed from a federal uh requirement that all female

00:45:42.180 citizens of the united states be allowed to vote but the reason why this was actually going on 0.86

00:45:48.320 already was that the constitution before the amendments that gave um universal suffrage in

00:45:54.140 all of its ways so 14th and 19th and um 24th 25th things like that before those were passed

00:46:01.460 the constitution because of its uh federalism actually gave the power of determining who can

00:46:10.340 vote and when to vote uh to the states and so leading up to 1919 1920 which was when the 19th

00:46:17.580 amendment was finally uh passed into law many states had already because it was within their

00:46:23.600 purview they had already given women the right to vote and in fact um one of the one of the

00:46:31.020 questions asked about heads of household if you're a widow like yes they voted then like if the

00:46:35.920 husband died and she took over the farm or the plantation or whatever because she had a state

00:46:39.900 she had ownership and yeah yep they were they were black uh property over older widow so it's 0.56

00:46:45.480 It's like she doesn't have a father. 0.99

00:46:46.620 She may not even have a brother.

00:46:48.420 Similar to like your first Timothy chapter five, 1.00

00:46:50.580 the widows that would be taking care of the church. 1.00

00:46:52.580 They don't have a brother or an uncle or a father or a husband 1.00

00:46:55.460 or even sons necessarily to care for them. 1.00

00:46:57.600 So that woman who's, there's no male line, 1.00

00:47:01.660 lineage anymore to represent her family name. 0.99

00:47:04.920 And yet she still is alive and has the family estate 0.56

00:47:09.040 and therefore has a stake in the country in its future.

00:47:12.180 That makes sense.

00:47:13.160 And that's going to get passed to her sons, her children.

00:47:15.920 And maybe they're young at that time.

00:47:18.440 There were situations where black property owners, free black men, also voted.

00:47:24.180 In fact, before the 19th Amendment was passed, in 1797, New Jersey was already allowing women to vote. 0.99

00:47:32.360 Classic New Jersey. 0.97

00:47:34.360 It's just taking the L early. 0.99

00:47:37.120 We're here to be a loser state. 0.95

00:47:38.480 Hold on, hold on. 0.96

00:47:39.480 I'm going to redeem New Jersey just for a second. 0.65

00:47:42.260 In 1807, they actually voted to restrict it to only free white males. 0.99

00:47:48.020 Oh, I think so. 0.99

00:47:48.760 Yeah, yeah.

00:47:50.460 Gotta love New Jersey. 0.54

00:47:51.680 New Jersey, white pill.

00:47:52.940 All right.

00:47:53.860 But 1869, territory of Wyoming.

00:47:56.820 1890, the state of Wyoming then.

00:47:58.600 Colorado in 1893.

00:48:00.520 Washington, 1910.

00:48:01.640 California, 1911.

00:48:03.280 This was already going through the states.

00:48:06.220 Oh, is this what we talked about before the show?

00:48:07.940 Your black pill? 0.93

00:48:08.880 Yes, so I do have a black pill here. 0.58

00:48:10.980 Go for it.

00:48:11.400 Because if we were to repeal the amendments related to universal suffrage, 19th Amendment primarily being the one that we're talking about today, that actually doesn't fix the problem for us.

00:48:22.520 Because the delegated power to determine who gets to vote is actually in the original Constitution up to the states.

00:48:31.500 Which we support.

00:48:32.440 Yes.

00:48:33.280 That's great.

00:48:33.920 That is a good thing.

00:48:34.740 But if we were actually going to fix this problem, we as a nation would have to pass a positive amendment that says only men who are heads of household and own property and have been here this long, etc., all the stipulations that we're saying are allowed to vote.

00:48:52.220 it's kind of similar to the abortion issue except in the in the other direction obviously there's

00:48:56.980 separate topics but also in in the uh in the inverse uh with with abortion it's like dobs

00:49:02.920 praise god it beats the heck out of row right yep you know right but to be fair like a lot of our

00:49:09.420 abolitionist friends who we love like they would say dobs is a wicked decision right and in the

00:49:14.780 technical sense in the biblical sense they're right right um because the right just decision

00:49:21.360 is not um you know what states can uh decide to whether or not they want to kill babies

00:49:28.880 no the just position is uh to actually not just say roe is done and now it's just a state's issue

00:49:36.100 no the just decision is at the federal level now states can go against it and then and then the

00:49:41.460 state would be exclusively moral morally responsible for god for that wicked decision

00:49:46.280 but at the federal level to say uh i'm sorry but under christian nationalism the human sacrifice 0.67

00:49:52.060 must end that's right the molek worship must end so not just saying uh no more roe but saying uh

00:49:58.160 no no no no uh we're going it's because because from roe to dobbs is really kind of from like a

00:50:02.680 negative to a neutral right but the neutral is still negative it's still not just and so what

00:50:07.480 you're saying is with the 19th now back to our topic at hand um repealing the 19th would kind

00:50:13.380 to be similar to like a dob's decision it's like okay we recognize the 19th was wicked um but it

00:50:18.820 wouldn't really be until two things happen well three things repealing the 19th and then at the

00:50:23.540 federal level there would need to be a positive amendment that they would have to pass they would

00:50:28.240 say um only so and so can vote whoever however we decide that um and then at the state level

00:50:35.940 there would also have to be um a positive decision made uh for each state not necessarily if a federal

00:50:42.040 amendment is passed that supersedes anything in the state unless the state consciously went

00:50:47.020 against it no no like no state was allowed to say after the 14th amendment no black man can vote

00:50:54.460 right the federal constitution supersedes all state laws as a state can't contradict okay but

00:51:01.420 if the federal constitution did that um and the positive amendment so not just repealing the 19th

00:51:06.640 but a positive amendment of this is who can vote at the federal level constitutionally and then

00:51:11.420 let's say it wouldn't be texas but let's say new jersey like let's say new jersey is uh no everybody

00:51:17.280 can still vote and they're voting in a national election you're saying that um it just won't

00:51:21.580 count yes because that's where power matters because the constitution says right right the

00:51:26.580 constitution says the powers not specifically delegated to the federal government in the

00:51:30.480 constitution belong to the state at that point the constitution is delegating to itself the power to

00:51:36.560 decide who gets to vote and so a state might still try and say you can go pound sand and then it

00:51:42.140 would be whether or not the federal government has the willpower to enforce that new voting

00:51:47.120 amendment on new jersey in this hypothetical situation what does uh steve dace always says

00:51:52.600 and i think he says it really well which by the way i don't because i don't want to get him in

00:51:56.160 trouble he steve dace great guy loves the lord coming to our conference he would disagree with

00:52:01.260 this entire episode probably maybe but we still love him um maybe i don't know who knows the

00:52:06.820 oversize window it's moving so quick maybe you know maybe by the time we get to the conference

00:52:10.540 six weeks from now steve dace is going to get up there and be like yep repeal the night who knows

00:52:14.700 but uh but anyways but he always says uh we are not we are not a nation of laws right did you

00:52:21.080 yes we're not a nation of laws we're a nation of political will yeah he said we're not a nation of

00:52:24.860 laws and never have been yeah we're a nation of political will and always will be yes something

00:52:29.020 something like that which is so true like even when you saw the standoff between like biden and

00:52:34.380 some of the uh the governors state governors you know of the southern border you know they were all

00:52:38.960 like one by one all the republican states were it was like come and take it kind of thing like at

00:52:44.840 the end of the day somebody has to exercise the will the power what i've realized it the words on

00:52:50.420 the paper they don't really matter that much political will and power like an arizona abortion

00:52:56.120 on the law in the constitution was illegal none of them would enforce it there was no political

00:53:01.500 will gay marriage as approval of it in the american public goes from 40 to 30 to 20 one way or another 0.88

00:53:07.520 will not be legal it is all downstream they change and they do matter because then they teach and

00:53:13.100 toodle and uh tutor instruct tutor and instruct uh but ultimately it's will so and that's why

00:53:19.980 i think the christian caesar happens before yeah 20 years of well how many states have to ratify

00:53:26.200 that's what i was leading up to this is this is not and it's look the overtime window is moving

00:53:31.180 fast enough that we're not blackpilling right we're just right but there's two ways there can

00:53:35.420 be a convention of states which has never been done for a constitutional amendment or an amendment

00:53:41.560 has to pass with two-thirds of both chambers of uh the legislative branch so the house and the

00:53:47.800 senate and then three quarters of the states have to agree to it ratify it for an amendment to pass

00:53:53.860 so well you know what this is what i know about these united states of america we have had in 0.96

00:53:59.300 our history two and i repeat only two opportunities to elect a female president that's right and we

00:54:06.840 said resounding resoundingly no hell no hell no that's right in both cases and as brian so they

00:54:13.660 would say america we were so real for that we had two opportunities to elect a female president we

00:54:19.280 said no both times america you were so real for that yeah so i'm hopeful this is why as all of

00:54:25.480 these debates were happening in the states and then even leading up to the passage of the 19th

00:54:30.300 amendment federally people were really opposed to it i mean there were guys who had their eyes

00:54:35.100 wide open to what was going on and they warned and they they pled and they argued against it

00:54:41.860 because they knew, number one, if it does get passed,

00:54:44.400 it's going to be hard to undo,

00:54:46.200 and number two, it's going to do incalculable damage.

00:54:50.020 This next quote is from Thomas Sedgwick,

00:54:52.960 who was writing in the, I believe this was in the late 1800s,

00:54:56.940 and he saw down what was going to happen

00:55:00.240 if America moved in this direction.

00:55:04.380 So he said, or William Sedgwick, my mistake,

00:55:06.520 he said, if women's suffrage would mean a denigration 0.55

00:55:10.460 and a degradation of human fiber which would turn back the hands of time a thousand years 0.90

00:55:16.340 hence now he was optimistic hence it will probably never come for mankind will not

00:55:22.220 lightly abandon at the call of a few fanatics the hard-earned achievements of the ages gosh he was 0.58

00:55:28.180 wrong yeah boy was he ever wrong yep yep and tragically so tragically so now here's the white

00:55:34.340 pill the temperance movement the uh yes not the abolition of alcohol the prohibition prohibition

00:55:39.040 it passed it was ratified by the states it was enacted in the constitution repealed like 10

00:55:43.420 years later after people were like later on they got a dose of their own medicine yeah and that's

00:55:46.860 what we kind of covered that a few we've covered that for right you know the last three years but

00:55:50.700 like but we really covered that i think last week on a couple of our episodes and just saying it's

00:55:55.240 a simple concept but just but just encouraging the listener and i feel you know ourselves just

00:56:00.220 encouraging each other that um history history it was it was in the cold open today history is not

00:56:06.520 just um you know just uh what is the way you word it a revolution like where it only moves a progression

00:56:13.060 yeah yeah like a progression like a march towards progress or something like yeah like an eternal

00:56:17.640 perpetual march towards you know progress which really means you know right you know regress um

00:56:23.320 until the end of time um that's that's actually you look at history that is not the way history

00:56:28.140 is played out that's a very dispensational novel idea that that everything has just gotten worse

00:56:34.420 and worse and worse or no better and better and better yeah that's not that's the opposite of the

00:56:40.240 dispensational both of those are immature yeah both of those are immature and people you know

00:56:44.440 for again the bad faith listener who might be tuning in and saying well that's your view like

00:56:48.080 you hate on dispensationalism but aren't you you know post-millennial so you think things

00:56:51.980 only constantly get better that's not the post-millennial view the post-millennial view

00:56:55.940 doesn't say that things um only with a steady incline with no dips and no challenges along the

00:57:01.580 way that they only ever get better no we're just saying that the overall trajectory is going to be

00:57:06.580 in the positive direction but that can include in certain times in certain places and those places

00:57:10.940 for the record could be big like half the world like all of western civilization and those time

00:57:16.340 periods are not just necessarily 10 years or 20 years but it can be three four five hundred years

00:57:21.640 you absolutely on that overall trajectory up you can have some massive dips along the way and we

00:57:27.300 would say that we've been in a dip for quite a while at least since the enlightenment and um but

00:57:33.960 that's kind of the overarching macro picture of you know steady trajectory up but some big dips

00:57:38.760 along the way but then in some of the smaller battles along the way that are more contextual

00:57:42.700 to this nation and and this time period and blah blah blah there's there's ebbs and flows in fact

00:57:49.020 i was you know there's a member um in our church that uh they live two and a half hours away and

00:57:54.640 they come to our church faithfully, a wonderful family. And my wife and kids and I, we try to go

00:58:01.680 and see them, you know, making pastoral visits, relational visits as often as we can. So we went

00:58:06.360 on Saturday and it takes all day. It's a five hour trip, round trip. But we went and packed

00:58:11.760 up the van and spent the day and had a great time. And he was showing me, you know, he had on the

00:58:15.820 wall a picture of Robert E. Lee and he was showing me a quote from Robert E. Lee that's like, I was

00:58:21.540 like was robert e lee postmill you know it was really really encouraging but he's just talking

00:58:25.560 about standing at the seashore when you look at history and and when the water recedes when it's

00:58:31.340 pulling back and you think like this is it you know um not realizing that um like the bigger the

00:58:37.900 ebb uh the greater the flow yeah like if the water is pulling way back and you're standing at the

00:58:44.240 shoreline then uh for all you know it could be it could be ebbing and receding and pulling back

00:58:50.660 further and further like the tide like when a barge goes down you know and it like sucks all

00:58:54.280 the way it could be pulling back not just your normal ebb flow ebb flow but then all of a sudden

00:58:59.060 it just keeps pulling back and back and back and it goes back it recedes 20 30 40 feet then then

00:59:04.900 50 yards and further and further and you're like what is going on and then all of a sudden comes

00:59:10.080 a tidal wave yep a revival you know and uh we're not revivalist either we do think that god can

00:59:17.000 and may send revival we just um i just think we should be busy in the meantime but anyways it was

00:59:21.820 so encouraging i got the quote here i gotta read it this is robert e lee robert e lee the truth is

00:59:26.900 this the march of providence is so slow and our desires so impatient the work of progress so

00:59:32.700 immense and our means of aiding it so feeble the life of humanity is so long that of the individual

00:59:37.980 so brief that we often only see the ebb of the advancing wave and are thus discouraged it is

00:59:43.120 history that teaches us to hope amen one more time that is god that is fire uh the truth is this the

00:59:49.540 march of providence is so slow and our desires so impatient the work of progress so immense and our

00:59:54.800 means of aiding it so feeble the life of humanity is so long that of the individual so brief that

01:00:00.980 we often only see the ebb of the advancing wave and are thus discouraged it is history that teaches

01:00:06.160 us to hope amen imagine imagine tearing down and burning that guy's statue maybe maybe it's not

01:00:15.240 just about the civil war that is crazy talk about ebbs and flows so like there's a little ebb you

01:00:21.520 know in 2020 very dark time um but i would like to think that we're going to get an even i i think

01:00:28.720 for for every confederate statue that was torn down we're going to get a replacement 10 times

01:00:33.300 his size rebuilt robert e lee he will rise again uh but but yeah that's all that being said um

01:00:39.160 it's you know it's like oh well now that we you know now that we have basically universal suffrage

01:00:45.820 and you know the the wheels are off you know and um there's no going back but you don't know like

01:00:53.480 it in one sense it's hard to go back but that's one of the arguments that we've been making these

01:00:57.360 past few weeks is saying on the other hand you know what's really hard to do like that you see 1.00

01:01:02.220 a usaid has has been proof of this it's really hard to convince people in third world countries

01:01:08.020 that a boy is a girl and a girl's a boy how do you do that we'll come to find out when you know

01:01:12.940 all of a sudden the veil is lifted and we're getting to see uh well it turns out it required

01:01:17.460 billions and billions of your tax dollars in order to to carrot and bait and switch and indoctrinate

01:01:24.740 entire cultures and countries into into thinking things that are that go they fly in the face of

01:01:30.360 nature but to go with the grain right that's when you're trying to that's when you're trying to make

01:01:35.100 pigs fly but when you're just trying to teach a bird to fly it's natural and it's actually easier

01:01:40.920 and so a return to nature is actually going downhill it's going against nature the progressive

01:01:47.880 revolution is actually the uphill climb the the return to god's natural order is natural it's

01:01:56.260 actually the direction with the least resistance. Now, legislatively, some of the practical law

01:02:02.920 dynamics get hairy of like, easier to give a vote than take it back. But again, this is not a

01:02:10.660 prediction. We've said this, not a prediction, or I'm sorry, not a prescription saying we should do

01:02:16.460 this. But it is a prediction of what might happen, whether we support it or not. Yeah, that's where

01:02:22.320 that's where you might get your American Caesar, who comes in and says, you know, it's hard to

01:02:29.120 repeal because we've lost all of our ambition and all of our good sense, and we've created

01:02:38.500 universal suffrage, and we can't get everyone to vote to repeal it because we've allowed

01:02:46.100 um the the most foolish of society to like we like we've basically created a no-win scenario so

01:02:53.960 um as a benevolent dictator i'm going to seize power and take it away 0.96

01:02:57.920 right whether you like it or not the roman republic had a provision for this i know how

01:03:02.280 it ended i know that the the man that they gave it to his name was julius there's great guy but

01:03:09.180 there was a name after the salad dressing that's right but there was a provision in their laws that

01:03:14.480 in times of crisis they could hand you know unilateral power temporarily to a man that they

01:03:20.420 trusted turns out you know as far as the republic went that was the end of the republic right but

01:03:25.600 but as far as the roman civilization went so i'm not saying we should transform into an empire with

01:03:33.100 an emperor permanently but i'm just saying all all western western civilization has understood

01:03:40.760 that sometimes you do get into a situation

01:03:42.900 where someone just needs to come in and clean

01:03:44.720 house. President of El Salvador, what do you do with

01:03:46.700 a country overrun with gangs and corrupt judges

01:03:48.960 and bribery? Turns out you get

01:03:50.820 in, you rewrite the Constitution,

01:03:52.700 you instate term limits because you said I can do this,

01:03:54.940 you investigate them all for bribery,

01:03:56.480 and you say, I'll be president for

01:03:58.260 however long I want to be, and he was

01:04:00.580 re-elected with a 90%

01:04:02.520 popular vote,

01:04:04.660 the highest approval rating in the world.

01:04:07.260 You can just do things.

01:04:08.560 You're done. Judges that have blocked me

01:04:10.560 and impeached right you're out you are going to prison all of you you are being investigated

01:04:15.440 that's what we're doing now get with the program yeah yeah all right we're going to go to our

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01:08:44.780 We want to touch briefly on some of the impact and the fallout of women's suffrage.

01:08:50.780 So we'll do that briefly.

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01:09:15.840 Well, obviously, as we are finding out, elections have consequences.

01:09:19.920 And the vote and the passage of the 19th Amendment had consequences as well.

01:09:25.940 And there's a lot of different directions we can go with this.

01:09:28.300 The fact that women were voting gave them the power to vote against their husbands, in part with prohibition, in part with divorce laws.

01:09:38.180 But in general, too, there's a sense where a woman's nature is going to be more compassionate, more focused on tending to the needs rather than administrating justice.

01:09:52.160 and so you can look through history and you can see how largely and i'm going to quote a study 0.84

01:09:57.480 here in a minute um largely the the result of women voting in the public forum in federal 0.99

01:10:04.240 issues and state issues has been we need we see pain well what we need to do now is vote 1.00

01:10:11.560 so that federal or state tax money goes to alleviating that pain right and then what

01:10:18.660 happens unfortunately is that what people who want to push social change all they need to do

01:10:26.040 is convince half of the population women that there is an abuse or an oppression or a pain or

01:10:33.080 something like that because a woman's heart is naturally going to go to that and that's beautiful 0.98

01:10:36.720 and good like that we've we've talked about that a lot of times we want moms tending to skin knees

01:10:42.560 and and bruises it's it's beautiful yeah like we should be yep i feel like we've been clear but

01:10:47.480 let's be clear again um there is nothing about the god-ordained nature of a woman that we despise

01:10:54.680 it's wonderful but what we're saying is that it's only wonderful when it's in its role right it's

01:11:01.680 wonderful uh in the same way that a navy seal is wonderful that's right you know but but but all

01:11:08.360 your navy sealness um is is not you know well unless it's like uh arnold schwarzenator kindergarten

01:11:14.480 and cop did you ever see you know maybe it comes in in handy in a in a you know children kind of

01:11:20.080 situation and defending them but the point is that um a hammer is wonderful for a nail right

01:11:25.920 a screwdriver is wonderful for a screw you know a saw is wonderful for making cuts um so we we love

01:11:32.040 women and we love their nature but um but that nurturing instinct of um someone's in pain and

01:11:40.160 crying out for help and i want to go to them that is a great instinct for children in your home

01:11:46.560 that is not a great instinct for going to the voting booth when you have a full-blown invasion

01:11:53.060 at your southern border and a ton of propaganda from liberal media saying look at this poor

01:11:59.980 ai generated you know picture of a little girl being ripped away by ice from her mother and 1.00

01:12:05.180 And then all these single, white, college-educated Marxist women go to the voting booth and make terrible decisions, whereas their nature, it is in the right direction. 1.00

01:12:18.500 I know we'll get in trouble with that one, but their nature is in the right direction. 0.97

01:12:21.720 It's just being funneled incorrectly because you take that same concern and sympathy, maybe not so much empathy, but sympathy and nurturing spirit, and you give them three kids.

01:12:33.220 and gosh they're going to be they're going to be doing great yep they're going to be doing great

01:12:37.880 so yeah and this is exactly what has played out a 2002 study in the journal of political economy

01:12:45.920 this is going to be the next quote this is by two researchers named john lott and lawrence kenny

01:12:50.800 and they they found that this was the net result of women entering the the voting pool they said

01:13:00.200 This paper examines the growth of government during this century, so that's the 19th century, as a result of giving women the right to vote.

01:13:07.660 Using cross-sectional time series data for 1870 to 1940, we examined state government expenditures and revenues,

01:13:14.980 as well as voting by U.S. House and Senate state delegations and the passage of a wide range of different state laws.

01:13:22.360 Suffrage coincided with immediate increases in state government expenditures and revenue

01:13:27.720 and more liberal voting patterns for federal representatives 1.00

01:13:30.820 because they were now getting pressure from women 1.00

01:13:33.580 to cater and to court the women's vote. 0.90

01:13:36.360 And these effects continued growing over time 1.00

01:13:38.600 as more women took advantage of the franchise, 1.00

01:13:41.280 which is of the right to vote. 0.98

01:13:42.900 Contrary to many recent suggestions,

01:13:45.360 the gender gap is not something that has arisen since the 1970s. 0.98

01:13:49.780 In other words, their point is it arose immediately

01:13:51.900 as soon as women started voting in the late 1800s.

01:13:54.740 And it helps explain why American government

01:13:57.440 started growing when it did the growth and the increase of government spending the federal

01:14:02.560 government has um in fact let me let me get my quote let me let me make sure i'm right here

01:14:08.200 within 11 years of the 19th amendment per capita government spending had doubled federal government

01:14:16.200 spending had doubled and um women have a tendency historically of voting overwhelmingly for social

01:14:23.140 programs progressive policies and increase in welfare yeah yeah checks out yep and again it 0.98

01:14:29.760 doesn't mean that women are wicked yep it means that women are kind and generous and nurturing 0.99

01:14:37.360 and those good god-given instincts are wonderful in their proper place but ill-suited for the

01:14:44.700 political realm that i like the way uh pastor andrew isker has said it he said this in his

01:14:50.260 book Boniface Option, which was a great, great book. And we even, him and myself and A.D. Robles,

01:14:55.000 the three of us did a whole series, which you can go and you can find on our YouTube channel or our

01:14:59.700 website or on Patreon, you can get all 10 parts. It's 10 episodes. And the whole thing was me and

01:15:05.660 A.D. Robles and Pastor Andrew Isker covering, you know, in a 10-part series, his entirety of

01:15:11.880 his book Boniface Option. And one of the, I can't remember which episode it was, but one of the

01:15:16.160 episodes in that series covering a portion of his book, um, we addressed women voting and the way

01:15:21.680 that Andrew worded it in the book. And then also on that episode that we did together was, I think,

01:15:26.980 um, really well said. He just, he said that, um, politics is war. Politics is war without the

01:15:34.180 bullets. Every time you have a political disagreement, what you're ultimately doing

01:15:37.560 is you're taking two sides of the country on a particular issue and you're rounding up all of

01:15:42.660 your troops, right? You're rallying your armies. And then what you do is you march out and meet

01:15:49.540 each other for battle. But right when you normally would begin firing bullets, and there's a death

01:15:57.560 toll when it's a real hot war, instead of doing that, both parties agree, both armies agree that

01:16:04.000 instead of actually firing the bullets, what we'll do instead is we'll count your army, how many men

01:16:09.860 enlisted and we'll count the other army how many men enlisted and the bigger army will go ahead

01:16:16.180 and will allow him to win the smaller army will concede and we won't fire a single shot it's war

01:16:22.800 without the bullets um and it is improper to enlist women in war yeah yep that's the argument

01:16:30.720 and and we lose something we we have lost something beautiful let Nate let's go to the next

01:16:35.300 um quote because i i found this is from from a woman who was was opposed to women's suffrage

01:16:41.560 um and this is ida m tarbell she says all evidence proves that the adoption of women's

01:16:47.840 suffrage brings into evidence the bold obtrusive woman whose conduct cheapens the sex and deprives

01:16:54.760 all other women of a portion of the chivalry and respect which are their birthright yeah when we 0.94

01:17:00.900 think about chivalry we think about the knights but there was also the ladies and they were

01:17:05.260 entitled to being treated a certain way honored in a certain way provided for in a certain way

01:17:11.000 and defended in esteemed in a certain way and what tarbell is saying there is that the women's

01:17:17.720 suffrage has stolen women of that proper obligation that is owed to them as well that was hold dabney 0.88

01:17:24.020 wrote a lot on women's rights because there's feminist movements even then there's a big thrust

01:17:28.160 of his argument he said if you take women and you just flatten the playing field make them equal in

01:17:32.220 all these different stations you're going to subject women to the barbarism that men are

01:17:36.360 typically subject to you're going to return her to a primitive state where she is forced to compete 0.98

01:17:41.000 and do all the drudgery christendom lifted her up christendom esteemed her christendom put her in 1.00

01:17:46.460 the home where she had the light and children all these different things those women's suffrage that 1.00

01:17:50.220 ripped her from that threw her to the rat race and said you're going to go compete here you're 1.00

01:17:54.460 going to work under fluorescent lights for 50 hours a week and use a mechanical breast pump to

01:17:59.360 pump milk for your child you're going to do that yeah yeah yeah no you're absolutely right west

01:18:03.980 that's really well said like that's compelling um and in that it was christian that really

01:18:09.440 provided the barriers the boundaries um that allowed not only for a woman a woman's flourishing

01:18:15.280 her health her prosperity but we could also include in that her beauty according to what

01:18:20.360 god considers to be beautiful first peter i believe it's chapter three that says you know that

01:18:24.760 the imperishable beauty that which is beautiful in the sight of god is the inward beauty of the

01:18:31.680 heart and then god further he gives further specification of what that looks like what are

01:18:36.140 the characteristics of a imperishable inward beauty for a woman a beauty of the heart and he

01:18:42.140 defines it by two primary characteristics a quiet and gentle spirit and when you throw women into a

01:18:49.720 man's domain. You take away the shield and the providence, the protection, the barrier that 0.96

01:18:59.820 allows for them to embody beauty, and you rip that away from them, and you basically do the

01:19:04.880 opposite. You say, you know, beauty is a luxury. It is. And that luxury is no longer afforded to

01:19:11.000 you. In fact, we're stripping it away. And now, in order to survive, you have to be anything but

01:19:17.100 beautiful you have to be snarky delicate right you have to be in the public sphere you now have

01:19:22.860 to be um not not beautiful and filled with grace but you need to be polemical you need to be snarky 0.96

01:19:29.300 you need to be a beast you need to be a warrior you need to be a beast a boss babe you need to 0.99

01:19:32.780 be bombastic you need to be aggressive be aggressive and so that's why you see even you 1.00

01:19:38.100 know allegedly conservative female podcasters in the public sphere if it's not something that's 1.00

01:19:43.240 distinctly for women in the domestic feminine context right it's one thing when lexi silvey 0.95

01:19:48.460 does a podcast one day a week not five from her home audio only not driving into the studio 0.98

01:19:56.260 after the kids are already tucked into bed with her husband about cleaning supplies

01:20:01.880 that's just right into that one like bright heart that's just different can we all admit that is

01:20:06.860 different than five times a week um going into the studio leaving the home during the day um

01:20:14.260 and and then doing a podcast that yeah a lot of your audience are female listeners but but but

01:20:20.460 in terms of the topic of what you're addressing it's um cultural it's political it's far beyond

01:20:25.420 just the domestic realm of the home for women and you're even engaging with men who we would all

01:20:31.360 agree are wicked men who need to be put in their place but but you're now you're you're polemically

01:20:37.720 right aggressively polemically um uh with uh confrontation you're confronting you know men

01:20:45.280 like joe biden or like truly wicked men but um but you're a woman doing that and and there's

01:20:50.760 there's nothing quiet and gentle about it and therefore i mean call me old-fashioned but i 0.88

01:20:56.540 believe the bible and if the bible says that what the characteristics that are defining of true

01:21:02.100 feminine beauty is quiet and gentleness and you're now i don't see quiet and gentleness as being

01:21:08.200 compatible with being um polemical in the public square right i don't think that you can do both

01:21:14.760 you got to pick you got to pick right you can't you can't do both and so what we've done by 0.68

01:21:20.860 leveling the playing field by uh making uh women equal is we've made women ugly yep it's funny my 0.88

01:21:27.880 um this was a while ago but my my brother posted on social media um it was long enough ago that 0.62

01:21:35.720 it may have been facebook um he said something about uh liberal women why are liberal women

01:21:41.600 always ugly and a friend of a mutual friend of ours who's who's more liberal said how dare you 0.98

01:21:48.620 like um he he said something about physical appearance he said i i know lots of beautiful 0.97

01:21:54.200 like attractive uh liberal women um and my brother said it's interesting to me that you assumed that 1.00

01:22:01.240 i was just talking about face shape or eye shape or whatever i'm saying they are ugly people and 0.88

01:22:06.380 a lot of them happen to be physically ugly as well right but they're they they are they're

01:22:10.500 unattractive people they're unbeautiful people in the truest sense in the truest sense and my

01:22:16.760 Nate, I'm going to go to the last quote.

01:22:18.140 I'm going to skip the ones before that in the graph.

01:22:20.900 This is a more recent comment from a feminist at Stanford who was talking about the end

01:22:27.280 goal of feminism and women's suffrage, what they're going for.

01:22:32.540 This was on the anniversary.

01:22:33.800 So this was in 2020.

01:22:35.240 She was writing about 100 years of women's suffrage.

01:22:38.520 And she was saying, making the case that women's suffrage was just a stop on the train. 0.92

01:22:45.480 We need to make sure we keep the train moving along down the track.

01:22:48.700 And so this is how she analyzed women's suffrage in the broader scheme of quote-unquote progress.

01:22:56.060 This is Estelle Friedman. She's a Stanford professor.

01:22:58.760 She said this,

01:22:59.360 In our time, we witnessed women of color taking the lead and identifying the intersections of race and gender,

01:23:06.340 whether in Black Lives Matter, reproductive justice, or environmental movements.

01:23:10.660 Gender runs through all of these. Race runs through all of them.

01:23:13.200 Our humanity runs through all of them.

01:23:14.800 and we can never separate entirely any one cause from another. 1.00

01:23:19.060 Feminism has to expand to question all social hierarchies 1.00

01:23:25.240 to truly achieve what it professes. 1.00

01:23:28.420 This has been the goal.

01:23:29.400 This is why, even though we are saying carefully here

01:23:35.120 that we want a whole reconsideration of what it means to vote in our nation,

01:23:41.580 we are starting with removing the vote.

01:23:44.800 from women that's that would be the the beginning point because the goal from the beginning has been 0.85

01:23:50.240 the destruction of hierarchy the leveling of the playing field and the disordering of nature 1.00

01:23:56.520 i do have to just give one caveat with voting patterns and stuff you can slice it by gender

01:24:01.420 but race is a big one if it was kamala and trump and only white women voted they actually would

01:24:06.120 have elected trump and this would be comparison to all other racial groups so there are disparities 0.95

01:24:10.000 even in that and that's some of that professor's getting at she's saying that black women have

01:24:14.240 been the ones that have led a lot of progressive movements and vote overwhelmingly in the 90 1.00

01:24:19.780 percent democrat like 92 93 yeah if it was only white single women kamala would have been elected 1.00

01:24:26.460 yes right um but but white women not just white if it's white married women definitely trump in 1.00

01:24:31.800 a landslide if it's uh white single women kamala in a landslide if it's white women both married 0.97

01:24:37.440 and single it still falls for trump yep yep and it's closer than what if it was like white men 0.99

01:24:42.740 only so men versus women of the same race yep women are less conservative less republican

01:24:47.920 but still all said and done yep it would be trump a little bit yeah that's true okay well

01:24:54.900 let's move into some questions then yeah and uh and then we'll we'll land the plane here great

01:24:59.220 so we want to start with that super chat from the beginning i'll read it again

01:25:02.320 um this is from ben huffsteadler um he says um how do you suggest talking to new age quote

01:25:10.280 unquote christian males regarding a proper christian woman conduct head covering submission

01:25:16.100 etc side note uh oh yeah okay that's the one so just the difficulty of of a bunch of men who have

01:25:23.140 been so indoctrinated with the feminism how do you begin to talk to them about proper submission

01:25:28.500 proper roles of women men etc this is a tough one because i've been thinking about in the back of my

01:25:33.540 mind the whole episode i have ideas but go for it all right um the tough thing with men you back a

01:25:41.040 man in the corner and you'd be like listen bucko this is what you got to do or like like confrontation

01:25:45.120 like it rarely works especially in the moment um there is something to be said for you know

01:25:50.440 mentioning it when when it comes up like oh you know you're looking to date or whatever have you

01:25:53.880 looked for a woman that will be supportive and take care of your children right at home so

01:25:57.620 certainly working it in without it being confrontational i think a big way though is 0.92

01:26:01.960 them seeing it modeled so you could explain in theory to a man what a woman's submission looks

01:26:06.640 like what her care for the home her love for her children you could explain all of it you could

01:26:10.720 even show pictures and video but also just having someone over for dinner and them seeing you as the

01:26:15.920 man seated at the head of the table your wife would you love and care for but the way she defers

01:26:20.640 to you respect you him looking at that assuming he's unmarried assuming he's kind of a new age

01:26:25.200 christian and he's looking at that he's like wow because it's it's nature men by nature god has

01:26:30.720 made nature patriarchal and so men by nature can recognize oh that that seems like the appropriate

01:26:36.380 fitting status for a man that he's gracious and kind but he does rule and he is the head of his

01:26:43.880 home and so as much as he if you're probably ministering to someone or discipling them 0.69

01:26:48.180 as much as they can be in a context where they see a loving submissive godly woman

01:26:53.100 respecting her husband caring for her children is going to model probably more than most books

01:27:00.020 articles podcasts videos will do so work in where you can the actual information like here here's

01:27:05.380 what the church used to think here's what we how we used to conceive of this but then model it as

01:27:09.580 well and i would add on to that just saying if if he's in a church if the men of the church

01:27:15.160 not their only topic of conversation but if it's coming up in their conversation how do i not just

01:27:20.620 serve my family how do i rule my family how do i lead my family how do i you know like if that's

01:27:24.880 part of what the men in the church are talking about um that is going to come across if that's

01:27:29.860 the kind of books that they're reading, if the pastor is preaching that way.

01:27:33.880 Wes, you're right, though.

01:27:34.860 It really is part of the community of the church and the culture of the church.

01:27:40.360 And some of this is not going to be worked out of guys until they're placed in a situation

01:27:47.300 where they see it modeled, they hear it talked about, and then they begin to try it.

01:27:51.700 And they realize, oh, okay, I actually need to grow myself.

01:27:54.500 I need to be more assertive.

01:27:56.400 I need to be more decision-making.

01:27:57.800 I need to be more responsible.

01:28:00.060 I need to be more protective.

01:28:02.220 I mean, I think that one of the reasons why men like complementarianism and egalitarianism

01:28:09.380 is it absolves them of the responsibility.

01:28:12.480 And so the only other thing that I would say is a call to true responsibility, not a fake

01:28:17.580 responsibility of you need to make sure that you're doing the dishes every night.

01:28:21.840 True responsibility, men are going to, that's going to resound with men.

01:28:26.160 like think ahead plan for your family consider the needs of your wife your wife and your children

01:28:31.800 like be proactive um it you were calling them to something higher we're not just bashing them over

01:28:37.920 the head with what they're doing wrong yeah that's good cole billiott we hit this one a little bit

01:28:44.380 the relationship with the prohibition and the 19th amendment yes absolutely they were closely

01:28:48.520 interlinked these movements were going on at the same time communism socialism all these different

01:28:52.360 things temperance and that were closely linked and and part of it was also um i've read that you

01:28:57.760 know part of um the temperance movement prohibition was uh that that's that you know the pub was you

01:29:05.300 know because we they didn't have social media those kind of things so in a lot of ways the pub

01:29:09.380 was kind of the public square you think of like the inklings you know you yeah yeah you think of

01:29:14.340 like tolkien and lewis and stuff and like that's where a lot of the ideas uh would formulate and

01:29:20.120 guys would sharpen one another and and you know sometimes even you know organized in a formal

01:29:24.780 sense but but you know regularly in an informal sense organically you would have ideas presented

01:29:30.840 debated sharpened and then from that place eventually trickling down and being um patronage

01:29:36.740 networks yeah and being applied you know in in the public square at large but a lot of it it all

01:29:42.360 circulated around men high caliber leading men um who were sharpening uh like iron sharpens iron

01:29:49.260 with one another and typically ordinarily we're doing that in the physical context of a pub right

01:29:54.820 and so by shutting down all the pubs um you were basically shutting down um the place where men

01:30:01.500 gathered right and uh and so it was uh so yeah so the the you know the suffrage movement um had a

01:30:08.860 vested entrance uh interest beyond just whatever whatever moral issues there might be circulating

01:30:15.140 with alcohol to say we don't want our husbands leaving the home and spending time with one

01:30:20.540 another which i would say real quick as just a pastoral application for women today especially

01:30:26.440 young wives and this doesn't any longer relate to pubs or at least not exclusively but um it's

01:30:33.940 vital that you allow your husband to leave the home on occasion he needs to be present we're not

01:30:40.740 saying always um but this idea of like your husband saying um like i've heard guys say this

01:30:46.940 you know like uh it's good to be a man you know said um a lot of people i remember got really

01:30:51.900 upset they were like i can't believe that this was said um you know because they you know the

01:30:56.360 authors pushed back a little bit against the idea of a man's wife being his best friend he said no

01:31:02.580 um and it's not to degrade my wife my wife is in a position that is vastly superior to the position

01:31:09.620 of my best friend she's my wife wife is is above best friend um but no i have friendships with men

01:31:18.180 it doesn't mean i don't enjoy my wife or love my wife and i'm not even saying i necessarily agree

01:31:22.820 i remember even when i read it was like well i mean i know what they're getting at and i certainly

01:31:27.340 am not clutching my pearls i don't think i think it was completely it was either right and good

01:31:32.520 and helpful at best and at worst it was yeah you know that ain't it you know and benign certainly

01:31:38.740 wasn't something for people to lose their minds with but but they did oh they did um but anyways

01:31:43.220 the point is still true so whether it's not whether wife is is best friend or not in either

01:31:50.000 case she's certainly not she may be your best friend but i can at least say this definitively

01:31:54.640 she better not be your only friend she better not be your only friend there are many such cases there

01:31:59.660 are many such cases oh my goodness and part of the reason there are many such cases is because men

01:32:04.320 sometimes are pretty lousy at friendship but also um because it's weird but like sometimes what like

01:32:12.300 like young young women who are married please listen to me i'm not beating you up please listen

01:32:17.580 i'm trying to give you some pastoral counsel for just a moment um you want your husband to have

01:32:23.200 friendships and i don't know what it is but i've seen it in my pastoral ministry where there's like

01:32:28.580 this weird jealousy like almost like he's having an affair by going to a guy's night right you

01:32:34.260 And it's like, no, no, no.

01:32:36.940 He is, no, you have his allegiance.

01:32:41.060 You have his devotion, his fidelity, his love.

01:32:43.840 He is not betraying you by going and spending time with men.

01:32:47.180 It's like, well, why doesn't he want to spend time with me?

01:32:49.280 Because you're not a man.

01:32:51.200 It's different. 0.99

01:32:52.420 Right?

01:32:52.780 It's different. 1.00

01:32:53.320 And because in the modern work environment, he spends nine to five around a bunch of women. 0.99

01:32:57.280 Exactly. 1.00

01:32:57.720 His work is surrounded by women. 0.87

01:32:59.520 And even if it's with men, it's still governed and dominated by female sensibilities, female, you know, the cackling hens of HR. 0.99

01:33:08.580 You know, it's all just our entire world is a female longhouse. 0.84

01:33:12.960 So to allow him once a week or once a month even to get out of the feminine longhouse for a couple hours and go smoke a cigar with some guys or whatever it is to talk. 0.97

01:33:26.760 and because you know what men end up doing in those contexts it's like well there there's nothing

01:33:31.880 productive they're just no no it's it's only productive it is only productive guys do not

01:33:37.140 get together and talk about the weather we don't we get together and we're talking about philosophy

01:33:42.740 and politics and theology it's like the gk chesterton quote where um he says you know people

01:33:47.700 always say um you can talk about anything except for politics and and uh religion he says i talk

01:33:53.420 about nothing but politics and religion because there's nothing else worth talking about yeah

01:33:57.160 and that's what men do um you know and they get together and they talk about those kinds of things

01:34:03.120 and and they throw out ideas and then and then another man in a truly you know masculine fashion 0.96

01:34:08.820 will say that's dumb no that's dumb you know and then it'll be like well why is it dumb you know 0.93

01:34:13.840 and then they start to hash it out and then you know three other guys they pipe in you know and 0.98

01:34:19.300 and then and then you go back like the group chat yeah and then you go back to your wife and your

01:34:25.240 kids and you kind of are pondering and thinking about it over the next few weeks and then you do

01:34:29.440 it again and they're all being sharpened and being shaped and and being bettered it so it's 0.83

01:34:35.420 it's a really good thing so all that being said wives especially young wives start the habit early

01:34:41.300 do not be threatened by your husband having male friends yeah i do want to hit jenny weston just

01:34:48.600 said i don't know maybe where he or she is coming from with this the pubs also sent drunken men home

01:34:53.420 to beat their wives and having spent his paycheck to starving children alcohol was a scourge on

01:34:58.560 england and america in the early days there was a lot of drunkenness and violence and you read they

01:35:04.580 they had really grappled with what do you do with men stumbling drunk in the street every night

01:35:10.060 violent railing abusive like those are real problems and so the temperance movement part

01:35:15.040 it was of course like the the men are getting together and i don't like it and then some real

01:35:19.440 problems of how do you address all of these workers that are drunk blind on a daily basis

01:35:24.400 and and that's that is a difficult problem to address by the civil magistrate but it would seem

01:35:30.160 the 19th amendment was not or what the 17th think oh the prohibition um was not the way to do it so

01:35:37.200 there were real concerns and i understand the problem you have when hundreds of thousands of

01:35:40.240 of men well it's kind of like civil rights right so it's like were there real racists and were

01:35:44.720 jim crow laws unjust and those yeah sure um but but to have a legislative order and and a de facto

01:35:52.140 pseudo new constitution that effectively replaced the actual constitution of the united states that

01:35:58.880 then became the beachhead to ram through alphabet soup you know lgbt lmnop rights and everybody

01:36:05.940 says well i i'm in that amendment too you know i'm i find myself here and i i'm an oppressed

01:36:11.220 minority and i'm an oppressed minority um no something needed to happen there really was

01:36:16.320 um not just marxism you know made-up sin racism but actual animus um unjustifiable hatred on the

01:36:23.820 basis of ethnicity there were really were not not necessarily everyone by any stretch but there

01:36:29.800 were some cases of that uh but there were ways to combat that uh without coming up with um a set of

01:36:37.900 laws that uh replaced our nation's constitution and paved legislatively the way for all the the

01:36:47.160 wokeness that we see today if you don't like wokeness you should question the civil rights

01:36:52.100 movement you should yep okay all right can we see that we have a few more super chats that we want

01:36:57.420 to make sure we hit um so bj wins bjj wins again oh no above that sorry 80s nostalgia guy 10

01:37:05.820 thanks 80s um he says do you believe that female christian teachers on youtube are trying to find

01:37:12.540 a loophole to be able to teach men many of these women have thousands of followers both men and

01:37:18.040 women and teach theology i can speak to that i'll try to do it concise i'd be disappointed if you

01:37:23.960 seven words in i was like yes i don't even know what you're going to finish this with i agree

01:37:27.300 um so so this is what i think um so i actually am going to go with no i'm going to give the 0.76

01:37:33.260 benefit that i so to again the question to be fair to the question do you believe that female

01:37:37.980 christian teachers so they're christian and they're female on youtube are trying to find

01:37:43.240 a loophole to be able to teach men so we're weighing in i actually motives so we think are

01:37:47.560 motives exactly so um number one we're in the realm of speculation so it's already we're on you

01:37:52.140 know we're on um thin ice you know um so so i can't say anything definitively but if you're

01:37:57.920 asking me my my best guess i would actually say no i i don't think that they're doing it because

01:38:03.420 they want um because they're trying to find a loophole to teach men i think they're just they

01:38:08.840 just want to teach they just want to talk they have opinions i don't think they're like i really

01:38:12.980 really hope that this many men tune into my podcast this week because i really actually want

01:38:17.760 to shape men no i think they just they want to have a podcast they want to be a celebrity they

01:38:22.880 want to be famous they want to they have ideas they have a dream they want to have a voice they

01:38:27.020 want to have a platform and i think that they actually would be genuinely um content if uh if

01:38:33.620 it turned out that their um entire audience was 100 female so long as it was still a relatively

01:38:39.860 large audience i think they really would honest to god be content at the end of the day if they

01:38:44.520 found out here's the metrics um you have a podcast that's followed by a million people it's successful

01:38:49.960 it's large you're you're a micro celebrity um and it's 100 women i don't think they i think they

01:38:56.420 would love that they'd be like great so i really don't think it's that they want to teach men

01:38:59.940 i think it's just that they want to be in the public square and publicly teach um here's here's

01:39:07.120 the only thing that i disagree and this has been my position for multiple years at this point i've

01:39:12.560 said it before but i'll say it again titus 2 because people always say well then what's the

01:39:16.820 problem with that right older women get to teach younger women they're like the bible allows for

01:39:20.320 that women teaching women um and if men are tuning in that's not their fault they're not making men

01:39:24.660 tune into the podcast and you know like um so they can't be held responsible for that i'm with you i

01:39:30.240 hear you here's the difference this is where you know your your normie kind of complementarian

01:39:35.320 calvinistic you know uh titus 2 respecter you know alleged respecter it's like joel i don't

01:39:41.900 see the problem. Why are you being so extreme? Because my exegesis of Titus 2, which I do believe

01:39:48.860 is a historic exegesis, I don't think it's extreme. I think it is the correct position.

01:39:54.220 Is it when the Apostle Paul says that older women should train younger women and teach them the good,

01:40:01.520 that that headline right there, the good, that older women are to teach younger women,

01:40:06.760 is not a blank canvas for anything that you want to include in that bucket but that the good right 0.99

01:40:14.940 that's the overarching like so what class are women teaching they're teaching a class called

01:40:19.020 the good okay and what's the curriculum for this class that they're teaching to women the good

01:40:25.200 well paul actually then begins to list it out so i don't think it's they can teach anything

01:40:30.260 that you might relatively be able to consider good.

01:40:34.840 No, I think Paul then actually specifies what the good is.

01:40:38.700 And here's the deal.

01:40:39.960 It all has to do with the home.

01:40:43.320 He then says, the good, and what does that look like?

01:40:46.200 What is the good?

01:40:46.700 Being obedient to their husbands, lovers of children,

01:40:50.740 not given to gossip and slander or much wine.

01:40:55.820 He lists all these things, but what they all have in common

01:40:58.180 is they're all intrinsically applicable they're not abstract they're not general

01:41:05.580 they're very specific and applicable to the fair sex to feminine sensibilities so even on on the

01:41:14.740 prohibition side of avoiding gossip or slander it's um avoiding sins that men can commit men

01:41:21.660 men are not um immune to slander in the same way that men aren't immune to being deceived

01:41:26.540 People right now are losing their minds. I've never said that men can't be deceived. I've said

01:41:31.820 that in general, women are more susceptible, I believe, to deception than men. Of course,

01:41:37.820 men can be deceived. But the question is, in general, when Paul roots as his argument for

01:41:45.120 male headship, he doesn't just cite the order of creation, that man was formed first,

01:41:51.040 and that woman was formed from man and for man.

01:41:55.400 But he also cites not just the order of creation,

01:41:57.620 but the order of the fall,

01:41:58.820 that woman fell first 0.91

01:42:00.900 and that in her fall,

01:42:02.700 both the order of the fall, she fell first,

01:42:04.760 and the nature of her fall,

01:42:06.840 the man sinned knowingly with his eyes wide open.

01:42:10.420 The woman sinned after having been deceived.

01:42:14.060 And so you're making excuses for the man?

01:42:15.720 No, his moral culpability is greater.

01:42:18.380 the fact that he sinned knowingly only makes him all the more guilty not less so i'm not it's not

01:42:25.180 an argument about guilt if anything adam is more guilty on two accounts number one his position

01:42:30.780 the position of headship and authority he bears a greater responsibility more responsibility that

01:42:35.780 comes with authority number two not just his position but the nature of his sin he sinned

01:42:41.020 knowingly he sinned with his eyes wide open in pure defiance of what god had spoken so adam both

01:42:47.680 in terms of his position, having sinned, and the nature of how he sinned, he bears greater

01:42:54.160 responsibility, not lesser. However, when Paul is constructing this argument, it's all within

01:42:59.800 the context—this is 1 Timothy 2 now, not Titus 2—all within the context of why a woman should

01:43:05.560 not lead. And it's two prohibitions, not just one. It's not conflated into one. She cannot teach men 1.00

01:43:12.400 or have authority over men. Not teach with authority, one prohibition, but teach or authority 0.99

01:43:18.500 over men. And when Paul gives these two prohibitions for women, authority over men or teaching over 0.85

01:43:23.780 men, he cites both the order of creation, but also the order of the fall. So all I'm doing in my

01:43:30.660 theology is I'm simply including both, not just one, but both of the arguments that scripture

01:43:36.560 makes. Scripture, because what Paul does is he then says, why? Why can a woman not exercise

01:43:42.580 authority over a man or teach over a man? Well, because of the order of creation, the natural 1.00

01:43:47.720 created order. But also, if that's where it stopped, then that's where it stopped. But that's

01:43:52.260 not where Paul stops. He goes on, he says, also, not just the order of creation, woman made from

01:43:57.340 man, that is, man formed first, woman second, from man and for man as a helpmeet, her purpose,

01:44:03.260 her telos but then beyond that not just the order of creation but the order of the fall

01:44:07.800 she fell first created second but fallen first and the manner in which she fell the nature of

01:44:14.560 the fall she fell um with her eyes closed adam fell with his eyes wide open this doesn't mean

01:44:21.940 that adam is absolved of guilt if anything his guilt is increased and i would argue it is but

01:44:26.640 what it does mean is that the woman was more susceptible to being deceived can you find one

01:44:31.960 individual woman who is less easily deceived than one individual man of course in fact you could do

01:44:37.740 it with thousands i have no doubt but we're talking about group dynamics generalities in general in

01:44:44.540 general men are physically stronger than women likewise in general i believe that men are less

01:44:50.360 susceptible to deception than women and i'm basing that off of experience statistics studies and most

01:44:57.900 importantly scripture and one of the qualities i believe because that the whole context is in the

01:45:03.080 context of leadership one of the qualities for good leadership is having being at a higher degree

01:45:08.700 of being impervious towards deception so now all that back to now titus chapter two a woman can

01:45:17.040 she cannot teach or exercise authority over a man she can older women can teach women but even

01:45:24.580 the the what not just what they can do but but what are the contents and the parameters of her 1.00

01:45:31.960 teaching it's all feminine and domestic it's so even the sins um against gossip or slander can

01:45:41.200 men commit these sins can men gossip yes i have gossiped can men be deceived yes i have been

01:45:47.480 deceived. But in generalities, are men as notorious, as notoriously deceived as women?

01:45:56.200 I would argue no. Scripture, more importantly, who cares about Joel? Scripture would argue no. 0.92

01:46:00.360 No. Are men as notorious or as known for gossip as women? No. So even a woman's teaching,

01:46:10.100 the curriculum is is specified and it's uh the good things to um to esteem submission to husbands 0.87

01:46:18.860 lovers of children and the bad things the prohibitions to avoid and even on that side

01:46:24.500 it's not just sin in general it's specific sins and which sins the ones that tend to be

01:46:30.780 more common among women which means that a woman can teach not men but women if she has a podcast

01:46:38.160 and men happen to tune in, that's not her fault. But if it is a podcast for teaching women and the

01:46:44.940 kind of teaching that is actually permissible in scripture for a woman to teach women with, 0.99

01:46:50.120 then it's going to be a woman teaching women about womanly things. I'll say that again. 1.00

01:46:56.100 It's not just, well, as long as it's a woman teaching other women, then we can teach whatever 1.00

01:47:00.140 we want. That's not what Titus 2 says. There's a third requirement. A woman can teach if she's

01:47:06.300 teaching women, but also if she's a woman teaching women about womanly things. And so if you're 0.99

01:47:13.220 doing a podcast that is directed towards women 50% of the time, 60% of the time, but still has 0.63

01:47:22.660 on a regular basis, not gentle and quiet characteristics, but bombastic, snarky,

01:47:30.420 sarcastic, polemical aspects in the public square where you're belittling men, you're actually going

01:47:36.860 to war, politics is war, against men, exercising a polemic against men, and it doesn't have really

01:47:44.300 anything to do with the domestic feminine space, then that's not Titus 2. So all that back to the

01:47:51.080 super chat. Do you believe that female Christian teachers on YouTube are trying to find a loophole 1.00

01:47:55.420 to be able to teach men? My answer is no. I don't think that they're in their heart of hearts.

01:48:01.060 They're trying to be sneaky because they really want to teach thousands of men.

01:48:05.320 But what I do think is they just want to teach and they actually are perfectly content if their 0.94

01:48:10.640 audience is exclusively made up of women. But the problem is not that they don't want to teach

01:48:16.220 women. I think they do want to teach women, but they don't want to teach women things pertaining 0.99

01:48:21.600 to women and that i think is also prescribed by scripture not just that you must teach women

01:48:26.620 but you must teach women womanly things and that's the part where i think they are finding a loophole

01:48:32.960 and that's where i as respectfully as i can disagree yeah fair enough we have two more

01:48:40.380 super chats uh west you want to read the middle one and then i'll read the last one uh bjj wins

01:48:44.680 again thanks so much for the super chat if slash when does a widow become the head of a house 0.95

01:48:49.360 and vote actually like we were talking about it like the only ones that would vote would be 0.82

01:48:54.160 white men they'd be proper owners and uh i would still stick to that and so even a man that wasn't

01:48:58.980 married for instance i would still say it would be men that own property or citizens of the land

01:49:03.340 real quick when you say you would stick to that i i won't speak for you i'll just speak for myself

01:49:08.060 but i think you will agree that in america as it is today heritage america means something however

01:49:14.300 that would not be it would be predominantly white but it would not be exclusively white

01:49:17.840 so if i was king for a day and i think west would agree um we would not limit it to white men but

01:49:22.480 we would limit it to free men and the free citizens the modern day application of that

01:49:27.840 would be free citizens um also i would argue maybe free from debt not reliant on welfare

01:49:33.440 or taxpayer you know um supplements and uh and property owning and um and their family men yep

01:49:40.240 exactly and if a black man meets those qualifications and many would then go for 0.69

01:49:45.280 free citizens that we property owning i think you still stick to it i don't think it's at least for

01:49:50.860 me and maybe you would disagree joel i don't think it's the idea of like there's this head of the

01:49:54.180 household and then sometimes it's men sometimes it's women i think just men decide the direction

01:49:58.320 of society and if there is a woman that in god's providence becomes a widow for one we're talking

01:50:02.900 about a tiny amount of women that wouldn't even be able to enact or repeal legislation right very 1.00

01:50:08.720 small percentage and you say it wouldn't be a a formidable voting block we just say you will be

01:50:13.300 represented by the civil fathers so that's what i would say i would say at a voting level there

01:50:18.760 would be no situation where a widow would rise to that level she'd be taken care of by the civic

01:50:22.740 fathers the familial fathers support the church fathers even as they care for widows that were in

01:50:26.860 the church to wash the feet of the saints and all of that that would be my position right because

01:50:31.360 really you only come down to the widow is is like well there's no one to represent her and

01:50:34.960 but i think what you're saying and i think i agree is no but in god's economy she actually

01:50:40.320 still does have representation she still has uh even if she doesn't have an earthly father 0.54

01:50:44.480 a familial father or a familial husband um she's still outside of the sphere of the household

01:50:50.960 she still actually does have male representation um she has um she has ecclesiastical fathers her

01:50:57.780 pastors um she has civil fathers her representative still represents her she doesn't get to vote so

01:51:04.440 she still therefore has a voice and people who are advocating for her and the lesson from first

01:51:09.940 number four is that in general and not in general in almost all of the situations where something

01:51:14.960 like that happens a woman ought to try to find male headship to come under if she's a young 0.97

01:51:21.560 widow and no children she should probably go back to her father's house and then be represented by 1.00

01:51:25.540 her father if she has older children maybe she is now represented in a sense by her oldest son 0.99

01:51:31.480 if she's very old she's an elderly widow she's probably not remarrying but even there she is

01:51:38.180 like you said Wes 0.97

01:51:39.360 represented by her 0.82

01:51:40.440 civil fathers

01:51:40.960 and even her church fathers

01:51:42.420 who are going to

01:51:43.540 consider her need

01:51:44.200 in their voting

01:51:45.600 for public issues

01:51:47.200 yep

01:51:47.660 so

01:51:47.880 Alicia

01:51:49.380 I think Wolk

01:51:51.180 yep

01:51:51.360 Super Chat

01:51:52.640 $10

01:51:52.960 very kind

01:51:53.800 thank you

01:51:54.320 thank you

01:51:54.500 fellow 1689

01:51:55.960 love to see it

01:51:56.640 homeschooling family

01:51:57.680 my children instinctively

01:51:59.000 boo when they hear

01:51:59.800 the name Susan B. Anthony

01:52:01.000 fantastic

01:52:01.520 love to hear it

01:52:02.400 would you consider

01:52:03.260 making a t-shirt

01:52:04.040 that says

01:52:04.580 repeal the 19th 0.59

01:52:05.720 make America patriarchal

01:52:07.120 again

01:52:07.720 i would buy the t-shirt i would buy the t-shirt and um i would wear it around the house

01:52:14.420 i would uh if i wasn't preaching that week i might wear it to church but probably not

01:52:22.620 because i was still under the suit under the suit yeah under the suit yep um you gotta gotta dress

01:52:27.340 nice for church um but there you know when i go out in public shopping for instance it's like what 0.97

01:52:34.940 i thought you were patriarchal doesn't your wife do the shopping yes but occasionally we have to

01:52:39.160 cook brisket or steaks and i can't say who's gonna pick my wife with that right exactly there have

01:52:44.400 been times i'm like all right babe look and we like literally we we will we will take like half

01:52:48.620 an hour and i'll be showing her pictures you know on the on this exact cut this you know like very

01:52:54.060 you want to look for marbling here in this right but if i have time you know like for meat i i'll

01:52:58.940 go and do that shopping it's not beneath me i'd love to serve my wife in that regard servant

01:53:03.420 leadership right um and so uh but yeah if i'm going to the store if i'm going to heb herbert

01:53:08.740 e butts god bless him um that that is his name and heb dude i just saw a video of a guy who like

01:53:14.680 it's constantly uncovering all the you know the soy and red red dye six and stuff and he and people

01:53:20.820 were telling him and telling him and telling him because heb is like a texas thing it's not

01:53:23.980 necessarily nationwide and they're like please do a review of heb so he finally went and he did a

01:53:28.860 review and he's like guys it's fantastic and he rips everything apart he was like there are more

01:53:34.720 um private family owned instead of a major like everything you go to syrup you go to butter you

01:53:41.160 go to there is a private family owned texas owned option for virtually every single food in the

01:53:48.000 store and then when you look at the ingredients on the back some of them aren't great but none of

01:53:52.620 them are like what you would find at kroger or you'd find oh yeah and he was just like this is

01:53:57.240 incredible so anyways it love h-e-b i'm a texan um but if i go to h-e-b i'm not wearing that shirt

01:54:03.540 because but what you are doing is you're facetiming me if you should buy a 100

01:54:08.200 dollar ham bone for the kitchen counter where you face time

01:54:11.960 with my family you know and my wife is just rolling her eyes and she was not being particularly

01:54:22.160 submissive that day but uh she's rolling her eyes as i'm on facetime in the middle of the store

01:54:26.940 you know holding my son franklin and we're looking at this what was it it's a gem like a

01:54:31.900 it's a serrano ham yeah where it comes with the knife and you don't have to refrigerate you just

01:54:36.800 put it on the counter you're like can i put this on the counter for six weeks and just be eating

01:54:40.780 ham off of it constantly right but i had no i had no concept of the price it was like 140 bucks

01:54:46.180 so i asked you exactly i asked you i was like is this worth 140 dollars which was a bad idea

01:54:51.520 because Wes was like, of course.

01:54:52.980 Yeah.

01:54:53.760 Get three.

01:54:55.800 Okay, any other?

01:54:59.360 We just had one last super chat come in.

01:55:01.900 So from Michael, thank you very much.

01:55:03.480 $1.99, appreciate you very much.

01:55:05.600 Who gets to vote in Mr. Mom-style houses?

01:55:07.820 Nobody.

01:55:10.240 You forfeited.

01:55:11.560 Again, you have to throw the caveat.

01:55:13.060 If this is a situation where he's confined to bed

01:55:16.480 or something like that.

01:55:17.840 There are certain circumstances.

01:55:19.360 let me just say this is this is the mark of a intellectually unserious individual if you take

01:55:24.700 the exception and they continually bring up you take a pattern they continually bring up the

01:55:28.880 exception they are demonstrating that they are not capable of extrapolating averages means

01:55:35.260 medians all of these things patterns across time and space they can't do it well i know a

01:55:41.320 quadriplegic or i know a woman who can bench more okay you are just you're intellectually you're

01:55:44.760 not in the same league here love you that's great the big boys are going to make laws now no that's

01:55:49.220 right the person who always um always tries to um play the devil's advocate ultimately to um

01:55:57.220 stopping any progress that conservatives might actually achieve by bringing up the exception

01:56:02.560 um is is not a serious person you don't have to be mean towards them or hostile but um but yeah

01:56:08.520 they they don't get to um they can be in the car they don't get to drive that that because

01:56:13.540 conceptually that's exactly how we got here if you hate progressivism you have to recognize that

01:56:20.140 um their number one play you know like like you know give the ball to the tailback and run them

01:56:25.120 up the middle like the the number one most common play that was done again and again that got us

01:56:29.520 to our current juncture here in these united states was um pointing to the exception right

01:56:34.760 so no child left behind you know like um well americans with disabilities act right so exactly

01:56:39.220 so we've got you know we've got some people um you know uh some ninth graders can't read and so

01:56:44.580 what's the solution well now no ninth grade is going to get to read you know and it's just

01:56:49.120 bringing everything down to the lowest common denominator that's how they achieved equality

01:56:54.440 so they they that's how the leftists worked it was they said but um well this may sound good but

01:57:00.380 it's not really uh loving because uh we can point to this that's what they did even with

01:57:05.140 transgenderism right wasn't that the play they said well but even in nature not just with surgery

01:57:10.120 but in nature there's the point zero zero zero zero one kind of syndrome and other things so

01:57:15.700 there's these incredibly rare cases that do naturally occur and because of that now um

01:57:23.460 when you go to target uh your wife and your daughter uh if they have to use the restroom

01:57:29.940 a dude might be in there with him right so yeah like have you noticed too like all the advertising

01:57:36.000 it's always like just real quick if you're a conservative if you're neil shimby i'm just

01:57:39.600 if you're neil shimby and you're using the same kind of argumentation that was used for

01:57:43.840 transgenderism then yeah like just be honest and don't say oh they're you know i'm conservative

01:57:49.680 but they're the woke right just be honest and say i'm not a conservative i'm a liberal you're

01:57:54.040 not a leftist either i'm not going to be hyperbolic neil shimby's not a leftist but just say

01:57:57.500 i'm a liberal and i really like the 20th century and i want to stay there yeah so the thing is it

01:58:04.320 it it does require a specific time type of discernment and wisdom and you want you know

01:58:10.580 so you've got let's say you've got a family in the church who their child is born with

01:58:15.600 kleinfelter syndrome like you do need in the in the particulars you need people who are wise and

01:58:21.940 can bring discernment and biblical principles to those issues, but you don't apply those

01:58:28.500 to the macro scale and use that to make all... So it's not that we don't care about actual

01:58:34.560 exceptions, but those are so exceptional that they need to be approached on a case-by-case basis.

01:58:40.440 The law and the principles and the patterns of nature are larger, and you can make general

01:58:45.420 statements about them. Amen. This one is, because we don't want to just favor the super chats,

01:58:51.420 although we do favor the super chats um but this is miss uh ingham and i i just wanted to read it

01:58:57.600 because honestly i i'll admit i'm personally biased i found it encouraging and so i just

01:59:02.920 wanted to read it out loud to answer her question but also just for um other women who might be

01:59:07.700 listening to the channel she said would you consider creating a playlist specifically for

01:59:12.000 your content that um that deals that's directed towards women uh there's been a lot of it lately

01:59:17.580 and it's really helpful and worth hearing again and again thanks so i just want to at minimum say

01:59:24.480 thank you that that means a lot um i'm glad that uh despite um the uh the popular opinion uh out

01:59:33.600 there in the in the interweb that uh we are you know hate women are chauvinistic and misogynistic 0.70

01:59:39.420 and blah blah blah i'm really encouraged thank you and every week there are a lot of women that

01:59:43.900 watch this channel constantly and they're in the chat and they say we love this guy so that's true

01:59:47.460 those of you, Aaron, for the women who follow right response ministries and not hate watching,

01:59:52.780 but actually follow it. Um, you, my goodness, you, uh, you are a patriot. We honor you. Thank you so

01:59:59.880 much. Um, I hope that your husband also enjoys the show and knows that you're watching and

02:00:06.780 enjoys the show and approves. Yeah. But, um, but thank you so much for that encouragement

02:00:10.300 in terms of actually answering the question. Um, I, it's just, Nathan is, uh, doing a million

02:00:16.600 things and um but you know what when you're doing a million things what's a million a one exactly so

02:00:22.140 i will talk to nathan he's the boss around these parts for right response and uh we'll see if we

02:00:27.840 could uh try to make um some kind of uh what is it called nathan on youtube when you make a playlist

02:00:33.360 a playlist yeah we'll try to make a playlist okay 80s nostalgia guy right at the last minute 0.59

02:00:38.960 should a gay man be allowed to vote no but also i don't think the state needs to be in everybody's

02:00:43.880 home right in a general christian populace you're not investigating you're not requiring that's right 0.91

02:00:48.840 forms and attestations so no but a couple probably slips the cracks well said so do we think that

02:00:53.660 sodomy is a sin yes we're christians the bible says that do we think that sodomy should be

02:00:58.180 treated by the civil magistrate as a crime we would say that not all sins are crimes but this

02:01:02.960 one is historically in america it was in in many countries in europe it was um we believe that this

02:01:09.320 one is not only a sin, but it actually is a crime, that it actually has a degrading effect on society

02:01:15.700 as a home, as a whole, and doesn't just stay in the home. That said, there's a difference. There

02:01:22.660 are things that are sins only and not crimes. There are things that are sins and crimes.

02:01:28.280 But even if it's a sin and a crime, it doesn't mean that it's a crime that needs to be policed.

02:01:34.780 so um there are some things where it's like you know what we need to actually this is so nefarious

02:01:40.840 it needs to be searched out um because it's it cannot be allowed to persist even privately

02:01:47.640 it is that dangerous um we would say that like so for instance we we don't think that um there 0.99

02:01:54.020 should be public um public um you know parades or you know towards islam but we also don't think 0.94

02:02:03.240 that there should be if we were a christian nation um under christian nationalism we would 0.97

02:02:07.740 not have the um islamic you know the muslim police that goes and rounds up muslims in their 0.81

02:02:12.900 homes searching for the quran did you read this right critically yeah we would not do that um we

02:02:18.320 we would say though that uh no you don't get to have any public um islamic holidays it's i'm sorry

02:02:25.420 like is iran having public uh christian holidays no no so you know like so no we would be a

02:02:33.220 Christian nation, and we would act accordingly. In the public square, it would be Christ and the

02:02:37.880 Christian religion that would receive favorability, preference. It is discrimination. Like, of course

02:02:43.720 it is. You would discriminate and say, no, things that are Christian nation, things that are

02:02:48.280 Christian, they get preference. Things that are not Christian do not get preference. However,

02:02:53.700 there is a sliding scale. Not preferring Islam, it does not necessitate that you're then policing 0.77

02:03:01.920 and rounding up each and every private um muslim worshiping in their home likewise same with 0.97

02:03:08.800 sodomy um no no gay pride uh parades and any known publicly known homosexuals right would 0.97

02:03:16.880 certainly not be able to serve in public office um but someone who's privately sinning in that way

02:03:22.400 is not going to be snuffed out and uh therefore would be able to vote because we wouldn't know

02:03:27.740 about it yeah that's just that's how that's how it would shake down that's how that's how it shook

02:03:33.220 out in the past that's how it would shake out again the big idea here is it would it still be

02:03:37.860 a private sin would they still be held accountable before god on the final absolutely and apart from

02:03:42.840 mercy and grace it's found uh through faith and repentance of sin and jesus christ alone

02:03:47.200 then uh then they would go to hell um and and so eventually you know that sin would be held

02:03:52.600 accountable by god himself um but but the big concern uh as we're talking about you know

02:03:57.920 culturally and politically is we're saying uh it's not so much that um that this cannot be done in

02:04:03.820 any isolated private case whatsoever among 330 million people no what we're talking about is

02:04:09.880 um the public square that at the end of the day um someone i've said it before someone will always

02:04:18.000 be in the closet every society it's not whether but which every society has its proverbial closet

02:04:23.580 and um and if the homosexual is not in the closet but rather being celebrated and worshiped and 0.81

02:04:31.760 praised in the public square than the christian the bible believing christian will be the one 0.64

02:04:37.080 in the closet and we believe that that's wrong yep um so it's not whether but which there will

02:04:42.060 all every society will have its closets and someone's going to be in it it's not whether

02:04:46.660 someone will be in the closet, but which person will be in the closet. And we believe that it is

02:04:51.620 more honoring to God and more conducive to the flourishing of society as a whole, which includes

02:04:58.660 Christians, but also even unbelievers. It is better even for unbelievers in society, for 0.84

02:05:05.280 Christians to be esteemed publicly rather than homosexuals. I think that that is biblically 1.00

02:05:13.720 faithful and also an argument that's supported simply by common sense and logic and nature

02:05:20.880 it's not extreme and you know what it's 2025 the year of our lord 2025 and i'm just going to go on

02:05:29.160 record and say that's a moderate position now that is a centrist moderate position okay thank you

02:05:34.740 guys so much for tuning in any last words michael or west nope i think this was a great stream i

02:05:40.500 hope you guys were blessed by it. And Lord willing, we will see you again at 3 p.m. Central

02:05:45.360 time on Wednesday.

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