The NXR Podcast - THE LIVESTREAM - Donald Trump, Benjamin Netanyahu, & The Coming Separation With Israel

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00:00:26.800 you can say anything in america except the wrong thing about israel in the past six months we've

00:00:34.220 watched prominent intellectuals professors journalists and even former allies of the

00:00:39.440 conservative movement lose jobs or platforms simply for questioning whether the united states

00:00:45.240 relationship with israel is just wise or even christian not because they denied israel's right

00:00:52.840 to exist, not because they justified Hamas, but because they dared to ask whether endless

00:00:58.880 unquestioned allegiance to a foreign nation is compatible with America first. Meanwhile,

00:01:06.320 public opinion is shifting. Support for Israel is at a generational low, especially among younger

00:01:13.540 Americans. Donald Trump, arguably the most pro-Israel president in history, has reportedly

00:01:20.140 cut Netanyahu out of the negotiating process. Something's changing. But what exactly? Is it

00:01:27.840 just fatigue, another weary chapter in a long Middle East drama we no longer want to fund?

00:01:33.800 Or is it something deeper, a theological reformation, a rejection of the Schofield

00:01:40.120 system that bound American patriotism to Israeli foreign policy and bound the church to a

00:01:46.900 dispensational timeline at odds with historic Christianity. But here's the real tension.

00:01:53.940 Is this discussion already burning people out? Is the Israel question fracturing coalitions that

00:02:00.700 were making real headway elsewhere? Brett Weinstein says it shattered the medical freedom movement.

00:02:07.820 Tucker Carlson notes that it's splintering MAGA. Are we on the verge of letting an ancient and

00:02:13.780 complex foreign conflict derail critical domestic work on the family, on the economy, on liberty?

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00:02:41.220 rightresponseministries.com forward slash donate. So where do we go from here? What does righteous

00:02:49.100 strategic engagement look like now? What should we say? And when should we be silent? And is it

00:02:56.480 possible to call for clarity without fueling further division? Let's talk about it.

00:03:11.220 we're still back here we are we are back again so we uh we have our very own wesley todd

00:03:16.820 still out uh he is still in hawaii suffering suffering and honestly um i'm a little skeptical

00:03:23.280 of whether or not he'll ever come back i don't know if i would and so uh but he's he's told us

00:03:29.020 that uh that he will come back at the end of this week uh so uh we're live today we have something

00:03:35.500 pre-recorded for wednesday um but it's good and uh and i think it'll be helpful and so you guys

00:03:41.240 will just have to forgive us for a little bit of pre-recorded material and then friday we'll be

00:03:45.800 live again so live on monday live on friday uh just michael and i and the next week should be

00:03:51.600 all three all three back in the saddle ready to go so i don't remember when i said this michael

00:03:56.560 but i did confirm with you before we started recording and so uh you you agreed that i did

00:04:01.460 say it and because i feel like there's so many guys um so many you know political commentators

00:04:06.860 or people on youtube or whatever who are like i called it you know and it's like yeah but you

00:04:12.060 called like number one it's like a shotgun method you know like you called like a million different

00:04:17.220 things yeah you yeah and so like so you ended up being right you know on on one of your one million

00:04:23.300 different predictions. But this one, I am pretty certain that I said Trump is unquestionably a

00:04:32.280 Zionist. It's very clear that he loves him some Israel. However, I said if there's anything that

00:04:38.920 gets Trump to kind of pull back and maybe sever some ties, it would be that his devoted, as Trump

00:04:46.700 may be to Israel, Trump is devoted to nothing more than Trump. And Trump loves himself some Trump.

00:04:52.920 and so i was thinking um you know what i could see trump literally changing the entire future

00:04:59.020 of american foreign policy over um a personal grievance yep and i could see like netanyahu

00:05:05.820 you know riding in on his high horse as he typically does acting as though he owns the

00:05:10.940 place and trump just his ego alone just being like nope that's it you've washed your laundry

00:05:16.000 at the white house too many times which he literally has done yeah um you know you're

00:05:20.880 insulting to me you're insulting to our people and uh and i'm over it we're done uh 80 year long

00:05:26.860 relations you know between america and israel done because uh because uh like as vance would 0.60

00:05:32.980 have said like but have you said thank you even once you know like to and so and i think that's

00:05:38.020 part of what's going on with the trump administration whether it's zelinski or whether

00:05:41.500 now it's bibby um is uh trump and vance to uh to a certain degree they're like no um you need to

00:05:50.420 appreciate america yep you are at our mercy we're not at yours uh this is not a a you know a mutual

00:05:56.720 relationship this is not a two-way street where you know ukraine has done so much for america right

00:06:01.920 i mean they've done a lot for you know the previous administration like harboring secrets

00:06:06.320 and you know and being the money purse for all these kinds of you know corruptions but um but

00:06:11.120 in terms of america as a nation the american people ukraine has done nothing and so this has

00:06:15.680 always been a one-way street and uh and with trump and vance i think you know their their general

00:06:21.320 sentiment is um if you're going to be too big for your britches and you're going to uh to be

00:06:27.800 arrogant and unappreciative and rude show up to you know the white house in a track suit you know 0.96

00:06:33.160 whatever if you're zelinski or washing your dirty laundry at the white house if you're which 0.99

00:06:37.720 that's not beating the jewish stereotypes you know when it's like you're the prime minister

00:06:43.200 of israel and you're like this is a chance i'm visiting trump today this is a chance to get some

00:06:47.800 free dry cleaning you know like it's like that's these are why we have certain stereotypes so

00:06:52.480 the point is um i yeah i kind of i kind of called this one and saying i could see a divide that said

00:06:58.360 the final thing i'll say and i'm going to hand it to you because you've got a lot of a lot of

00:07:01.220 material today that i'm excited about us getting to um but i will say this um there are multiple

00:07:07.320 moments where it's like we got them now we got them in the crosshairs big change is going to

00:07:12.320 happen. But you just need to be aware, guys, this is what bad guys do, okay? Bad guys of any stripe,

00:07:22.040 whether it's a false church or whether it's a bad political party or whether it's a corrupt

00:07:27.860 country or whatever, the bad guys in a general sense, this is what they do. When you got them

00:07:32.500 in the crosshairs and it's irrefutable evidence and you're finally caught, what they will do is

00:07:41.020 they will kind of a jonah uh scenario they'll they'll take the guy that you actually got

00:07:47.620 dead to rights and and they'll say yep he really was a bad guy and you're right you nailed it you

00:07:54.820 know way to go but this whole apparatus that's that's different that's completely separate

00:08:02.800 right so i mean that's what the anomaly this is what the democrat party did when when all of a

00:08:07.380 sudden like for it's it's not they literally pretended that they were just as surprised and

00:08:12.400 just as shocked and like uh as as everybody else it's like we were saying in the primaries before

00:08:18.420 joe biden was even the the front-running democrat candidate for the 2020 election that the dude

00:08:24.240 is not there they i mean the guy like clearly has dementia or something he's he's just he's he's not

00:08:31.200 cognitive he's not there and then and then they just kept hiding it and kept hiding like oh and

00:08:37.260 And all of them, like lip sync, all synchronized together, every media station, they would

00:08:45.000 use even the same phrases, sharp as a tack.

00:08:47.440 He's sharp as a tack.

00:08:49.220 And then all of a sudden, the debate happens between Trump and Joe Biden and that beautiful

00:08:53.980 line where Trump is like, I don't know what he just said.

00:08:57.300 I don't even think he knows what he just said.

00:08:59.680 And it was like, we got him dead to rights.

00:09:02.220 And so what did the Democrat Party do?

00:09:03.860 they admitted yeah we have been playing the american people for the last four years and

00:09:08.100 honestly you know it's probably a good time to just confess our sins and live in the light and

00:09:12.000 be honest uh really we've been playing the american people for decades and decades we've

00:09:16.380 lied about this we've been corrupt about that and uh yes we all knew that joe biden had dementia

00:09:21.360 and that he was not fit to serve and we've been running the white house you know and the

00:09:25.460 administration behind the scenes we've even signed certain documents for him it wasn't his signature

00:09:30.140 We've done all these things.

00:09:31.460 And so we would like to recuse ourselves.

00:09:33.200 We're simply taking this moment as a party

00:09:35.420 because we've all been behind it.

00:09:36.880 We're all guilty.

00:09:38.000 We are resigning as an entire political party in America.

00:09:41.580 We are not fit to lead. 0.90

00:09:42.900 We are corrupt. 1.00

00:09:43.600 And we pray that the other half of the country

00:09:45.480 would forgive us.

00:09:46.240 That's what we saw happen, right?

00:09:47.460 No.

00:09:48.440 Instead, what we see happen is that,

00:09:50.200 oh my goodness, we had no idea.

00:09:51.860 Joe Biden, somebody was lying to us,

00:09:54.660 telling us that he was mentally fit when he wasn't.

00:09:56.840 And I guess the Bidens aren't that great.

00:09:59.500 and uh and they deceived the democrat that's the the poor precious innocent democrat party

00:10:04.900 has been hoodwinked by the bidens and we had no idea and maybe that actually was uh hunter biden's

00:10:10.920 crack cocaine in the white house you know like oh my goodness the bidens are terrible we will not 0.57

00:10:15.860 tolerate uh this kind of behavior and corruption and lies in our party and so we're getting rid

00:10:21.320 of them and so my point is you just keep on going so all that said um my first prediction about a

00:10:27.640 week or two ago, I said, I think we could see a major split between Trump and Netanyahu,

00:10:35.500 not because Trump is not a Zionist, not because he's, you know, for any ideological reason or 0.60

00:10:42.300 genuine convictions, but just for a petty personal, just because Netanyahu is full of himself and will

00:10:48.900 almost inevitably personally offend Trump. And Trump won't have it because that's just the type

00:10:55.080 person that trump is so nailed that that said if you think all right america is finally going to be

00:11:01.300 disentangled from israel right um my prediction i'm making another prediction now um netanyahu

00:11:08.400 will be just like joe biden he'll be the next jonah and so what the democrats would did with

00:11:13.740 with a sleepy joe um israel will do with netanyahu if uh if trump and netanyahu if that relationship

00:11:21.220 doesn't mend, that could also happen, but if it doesn't mend, then what we'll see in the coming

00:11:25.780 weeks or months, my prediction is sometime probably this year, we'll see Israel say, yep, you know

00:11:30.980 what, he really was boastful, arrogant, you know, he was rude, and comes to find out we found some,

00:11:37.420 you know, discrepancies and inconsistencies and some signs of corruption, and we, the nation of

00:11:44.720 Israel and Israeli intelligence and Israeli political leaders, we do not tolerate subversion.

00:11:53.240 We do not tolerate corruption when it comes to political leaders, and we're standing by our

00:12:00.500 principles as a country and as a nation, and we're removing Netanyahu so that we can once again

00:12:06.600 be the greatest ally of the United States. It wouldn't be hard to do that. I've seen

00:12:11.680 a number of reports um in fact i didn't include this clip today but um even one of the guys that's

00:12:18.700 in one of the clips today has talks about the fact that netanyahu has been to israel kind of

00:12:25.640 what biden and the democrats were to the u.s there's a lot of disfavorability towards netanyahu

00:12:30.440 already in israel a lot and he's seen as a bully he's seen as just going out doing his own thing

00:12:35.880 it would not be hard for this to be a tipping point for israel to uh to just move him aside

00:12:41.040 yeah absolutely yeah no i've heard that too that that's part of why i feel confident in that

00:12:44.880 prediction is not just that i think it would work for trump or it work for americans but i've i've

00:12:50.440 literally heard from people yeah um in israel who are more conservative um say yeah we don't like

00:12:56.720 them either israel doesn't really like them yeah yeah well that leads us to what we want to talk

00:13:01.980 about today so over the weekend the story broke and it was small like i had a hard time finding

00:13:06.220 U.S. news picking up the story until today, which was after I had already sent the information to

00:13:11.620 Nathan. So today it's on the New York Times and all over. But over the weekend, it was on Twitter

00:13:15.160 and it was on Middle Eastern news agencies. So the news that was breaking over the weekend was that

00:13:23.140 things are on the outs between Netanyahu and Trump, that they are, that Trump in particular is upset

00:13:29.020 with Netanyahu and in particular, the idea that he has to clear everything that he does in the

00:13:34.200 Middle East with Netanyahu first. So let's just show a couple of these stories. I think it's

00:13:38.940 interesting in particular, well, I'll get there in a minute, but Nate, let's go ahead and look

00:13:43.700 at image number one. This is kind of the first place that maybe some people saw it. It was this

00:13:48.420 Twitter post, and I'm not going to read the whole thing, but just breaking the friendship between

00:13:52.600 Trump and Netanyahu is over. And it was reported by Israeli army radio that president Trump had

00:13:58.920 decided to cut contact with netanyahu this is especially important because trump has um i

00:14:04.860 believe a trip to the middle east um maybe it's this week now because it was saying last week or

00:14:09.860 maybe it's even next week and the reports are that with his traveling to the middle east to negotiate

00:14:15.400 a whole bunch of things um he is cutting netanyahu out of that process he's not going to be running

00:14:20.700 things through him or even by him he's just going to do his own negotiating so that's kind of where

00:14:25.860 at least I saw it break. Nate, let's go to the next image. This was from the New Israel Times.

00:14:33.980 So there's just a headline, and there's a story below that report. Trump is, quote,

00:14:37.760 disappointed with Netanyahu and will continue Middle East policy and objectives without Israel.

00:14:44.900 So, and then this next one, Nate, graph number three, is the one that I really find interesting

00:14:50.160 because this is Senator, not Senator, he's, what is it called? Ambassador, thank you. Ambassador

00:14:59.320 Mike Huckabee, who is a huge Israel fan, right? Like, and he's been a prominent Christian in

00:15:06.300 politics for a long time, but very Zionist, very pro-Israel. And he said this, Huckabee says that

00:15:13.020 the U.S. is not required, quote, not required to get permission from Israel to cut a deal with the 0.99

00:15:18.400 hooties. And so when you've got Mike Huckabee, who was appointed as the ambassador to Israel 0.98

00:15:24.660 because he is very, very pro-Israel, and he's saying, look, guys, we don't have to run everything

00:15:31.300 through them. We can do our own dealing in the Middle East. That to me, as far as the mood shift

00:15:37.280 in the country, is a bigger deal than just Trump having a personal grievance. Yeah, that's exactly

00:15:42.560 what I'm, yeah, I'm glad you pointed that out. That's more, and that gives me some hope, and

00:15:46.500 And actually, I want to be careful here, not white pill too hard because, you know, the we're so back moments set you up for massive disappointment when you inevitably come to the we're so over moments.

00:15:57.540 But that does give me some hope that it's beyond just, you know, Trump and, you know, just personally offended by Netanyahu and going around him.

00:16:05.080 But all the Israel, you know, American relations still remain the same.

00:16:09.120 But if you have other guys beyond just Trump and other guys who historically have been very, very pro-Israel, and they're not just talking about Netanyahu, but they're saying just in general, we do not report to Israel. 0.86

00:16:22.940 We don't work for Israel.

00:16:24.440 We're not subservient to Israel.

00:16:26.220 We can make our own decisions.

00:16:27.980 That now we're talking.

00:16:30.440 Now it's like, all right, get the boys.

00:16:32.660 You know, like this is a little bit encouraging.

00:16:36.180 Yep.

00:16:36.640 Yep.

00:16:36.820 and that you know for whatever reason it's it's really hard to say why change on massive scales

00:16:45.100 happens right like people in the in the in the future will look back at times where there are

00:16:50.340 huge shifts in the wind or the political perspective and they'll they'll come up with

00:16:54.680 theories they'll write books it'll you know it's really hard especially in the moment but even

00:16:58.920 historically to to point out and and put your finger on exactly why a sort of political or

00:17:04.580 associate, uh, change culturally happens. But one of the things that we can notice in real time is

00:17:11.120 that it definitely is happening. And so, uh, Nate, let's look at this last image, um, of the images

00:17:16.900 here. So this is a graph that shows Americans' sympathies in the Middle East situation. And so,

00:17:24.740 um, now this is compared to Palestine, right? Um, but so it's, it's, it's been, uh, the conflict

00:17:32.060 with Palestine has been going on long enough

00:17:34.060 that they've been tracking this data since 2000 at least.

00:17:36.960 So this is 25 years worth of data.

00:17:39.460 And their conflict, just for the record,

00:17:41.120 conflict's been a lot longer than that.

00:17:42.720 Agreed.

00:17:43.140 Right, but this is just how long

00:17:44.500 they've been tracking it through this system.

00:17:46.060 Yeah, so there's 25 years of data.

00:17:47.900 And it's not that there's a huge spike or drop-off.

00:17:50.840 There were some spikes and jumps in the past,

00:17:52.800 but generally speaking, through about 2015,

00:17:57.020 support for Israel increased gradually

00:17:59.360 and support for Palestine either stayed the same

00:18:02.900 or went down a little bit.

00:18:04.880 But since about 2017 and 18,

00:18:08.540 that number, the support for Israel,

00:18:10.560 now it hasn't fallen off a cliff,

00:18:12.040 but it's been pretty quickly dropping

00:18:14.360 and support for Palestine in the conflict

00:18:17.220 has been increasing to the point that

00:18:18.700 now about 46% of people say that they side with Israel,

00:18:23.360 whereas say for reference to those listening in 2019,

00:18:26.000 it was about 65 percent of americans sided with israel that's significant that's a third that is

00:18:31.220 yeah yeah and then about 33 percent siding with palestine in the so in 25 years just for those

00:18:38.380 who can't see the graph in 25 years this is the highest uh sympathies towards palestine that

00:18:44.000 there's ever been and the lowest and the lowest for israel not sympathy but antipathy i guess

00:18:49.180 right towards israel right and this coming on the heels of after you know october 7th and and those

00:18:55.140 and so it's like you know and and that was the biggest just about if i can see the i think the

00:19:01.260 biggest drop from 24 to 25 was the most significant decline maybe back in 2003 but okay yeah yeah but

00:19:08.800 it's pretty no maybe it's steeper i think it's steeper i think so i think this the steepest drop

00:19:13.320 off of of sympathies towards israel is that uh from 2024 to 2025 so this last year and uh and

00:19:23.520 that being you know on on the heels of you know um the october 7th attack that happened um with

00:19:31.880 israel and and so it's like okay so what accounts for this and um and i i don't know that's a good

00:19:38.400 question maybe we can explore but i think at least part of it is um i i don't think it's just um i

00:19:45.220 don't think it's just the news headlines i think like part of it is uh because you have more content

00:19:51.540 and information arguably than ever before,

00:19:55.220 certainly in my lifetime,

00:19:57.360 that is not flattering towards Israel,

00:20:00.940 but also not being suppressed.

00:20:02.740 You can find it readily, accessibly on the internet.

00:20:07.620 And I think a lot of people are reading and looking.

00:20:11.020 That said, I think that sharp decline

00:20:13.420 is not just the accessibility of content

00:20:17.620 that is not flattering towards Israel,

00:20:19.800 But I also think Israel's reaction to October 7th is a big factor because I think initially it was, I mean, everyone, you know, October 7th happened and a lot of people were, you know, Israel flags were, you know, prevalent.

00:20:34.940 and everybody's you know we we love israel we love israel how dare you do this to israel

00:20:40.360 um but now that you know we've got some time under our belt and more and more people have

00:20:45.400 seen the headlines and how israel has chosen to respond and seeing you know pictures of dead babies

00:20:51.220 you know being pulled out of rubble and yeah um you know and then one of the things that hurts

00:20:56.680 you know support for israel is the guys who support israel i mean you've got guys online

00:21:03.100 like i can think of a few of them like who are like literally without being hyperbolic that they

00:21:08.400 um this is a paraphrase but but it's not an exaggeration this is this is the sentiment of

00:21:14.500 what some of these guys i see online they're like i don't care how many dead babies it takes 0.99

00:21:19.020 how many corpses you know of women or uh whatever it takes kill them all level them destroy like and 0.98

00:21:27.940 you're like oh my goodness dude just take a chill pill like i've never seen seriously in my lifetime 0.98

00:21:35.080 i've never seen the bloodlust that i have seen for supporters of israel not even the israelis

00:21:41.500 themselves but americans right americans who are zionists who support israel i mean find you

00:21:48.680 find you some like you talk about like i don't i think nero would blush emperor nero i think you

00:21:57.280 know like i think hitler would be he'd be like guys this is extreme you know like like you you 0.58

00:22:02.200 find uh the average american zionist and and the excitement they feel about dead palestinian babies

00:22:10.320 you find like go go and look at you know attila the hun or go and look like those guys seem more

00:22:16.540 compassionate than the average american zionist when he's talking about dead babies in palestine

00:22:22.760 it is and so i i'm just saying i mean i don't know about the average but maybe not some there

00:22:28.380 were some notable this is a many such cases kind of scenario yeah so maybe not average that's

00:22:34.200 probably a little too far but not one or two yeah and and not just this is not just from anonymous

00:22:39.720 that's with 47 followers i'm talking i'm talking major accounts face behind the account um doing

00:22:47.840 not just tweeting but then they get you know like they get a lot of pushback understandably so

00:22:53.380 because they're talking i mean they're like we love dead babies in palestine and then they're

00:22:58.360 doing videos doubling down like yes i said what i meant and i meant what i said a dead baby in

00:23:04.640 palestine we need it um and and so i i my point is that's the sharpest decline in sympathies

00:23:12.400 towards israel of any you know year to year one in one year period 24 to 25 and i think that's

00:23:20.380 probably got something to do with it because i think israel has in many ways um attempted to

00:23:28.020 use october 7th as the final justification yeah to you know to finally go and just and just level

00:23:36.280 anybody that they don't like well i you know i'll give credit because i don't i don't i don't want

00:23:42.040 of steal the idea i was listening to knowles on the way in and he brought up the comment that trump

00:23:46.400 made after he won the election in november ish and um his comment was basically he was addressing

00:23:55.140 netanyahu but not to him it was a public um you know press conference and he said israel

00:24:01.900 do what you need to do because when i get in i'm going to end the war and knowles point today was

00:24:09.160 looking at some of this stuff and some of the way even trump um you know has made comments about i

00:24:14.560 wouldn't have given you 3.5 billion you got a much better deal for my predecessors than for me

00:24:18.300 his point was trump doesn't want any fighting like that's kind of core to who he is and his

00:24:25.940 comment back then was if you're going to end this thing the way you want to you better have done it

00:24:32.880 before i get in because once i get in you're going to end it the way i want you to right um which i

00:24:37.840 thought you know was it was an interesting point but your your comment joel last thing i'll say

00:24:42.100 here and then we'll go to our break your comment about the the twitter and the videos about the

00:24:48.360 dead babies in uh in palestine goes to prove the point that we've been starting to make and have

00:24:54.940 made a couple times on this show every single person understands and and advocates for something 0.64

00:25:02.160 like christian nationalism the baptist just wants it over alcohol and carpet colors right right every

00:25:07.240 single person understands imprecatory songs yep it just is we can't have that feeling for our own

00:25:13.640 people right it can only be all the things that we're advocating for we all actually it's not

00:25:19.560 even that we don't understand it we do understand we do we've just been told it has to be placed

00:25:24.460 in the wrong direction right no you're absolutely right i mean and you see i mean that that principle

00:25:31.480 is demonstrated for us almost on a daily basis online,

00:25:35.980 again, from major accounts.

00:25:38.300 And a lot of them, you know, Christian,

00:25:40.320 or at least professing Christian,

00:25:42.440 that are, you know, like you'll see like something happens 0.58

00:25:48.300 where Hamas does X, Y, and Z. 0.79

00:25:51.880 And you'll see, you know, the usual suspects, 0.86

00:25:55.160 your Joel Berries or an Owen Strawn,

00:25:58.240 who will come out and the language will be,

00:26:00.540 um i remember there's one tweet i again i i have to paraphrase it because i don't have a

00:26:05.780 photographic memory i don't have it memorized exactly but something along the side the the

00:26:10.200 lines of um owen strong saying um uh completely destroy them right turn it to glass you know

00:26:17.720 level like and um and you know but then but then when christian nationalists you know a year

00:26:24.060 earlier we're talking about um we want the nation to be christian and uh and we we believe that

00:26:31.720 there's there should not be uh public promotions of false religion right uh that those must be

00:26:38.340 suppressed right there's a difference in a private family worshiping allah we believe is a false god

00:26:44.760 but doing so in their home that's different than you know some kind of islamic you know um statue

00:26:52.840 or a parade or something. 1.00

00:26:55.740 And all of these blasphemies,

00:26:58.100 all of these things that are anti-Christ

00:27:00.680 and their public expressions

00:27:03.080 must be completely suppressed.

00:27:06.000 We are a Christian nation.

00:27:07.180 And with those kinds of statements

00:27:08.600 from the Christian nationalists,

00:27:09.980 the same guys, your own strongs would be like,

00:27:12.200 this is terrible.

00:27:13.760 This is, it's anti-American.

00:27:16.560 It's anti-Baptist.

00:27:18.220 I remember hearing a lot of that rhetoric.

00:27:20.020 Because what does it mean to be Baptist?

00:27:21.660 Well, what it means to be Baptist

00:27:22.700 apparently according to some baptists is um uh that that the the highest allegiance and call

00:27:30.840 of the baptist is to ensure the worship of false gods right you know across the street next door

00:27:37.080 and um and so you know so it's like this is uh inhumane this is extreme this is hate-filled

00:27:43.920 rhetoric um but that's when a christian nationalist who loves his country and wants to see a christian

00:27:49.960 that's when he's talking that's the kind of response you're going to get right but when um

00:27:54.180 but when israel uh that is not christian it worships a false god when when all of a sudden

00:28:02.160 there's some kind of injustice done to them then the same guys who say you can't have a christian

00:28:08.060 nation um you can't um you can't suppress enemies you can't do that like then immediately they're

00:28:14.400 like uh turn it to glass level every building kill every person and it's i mean it it is uh

00:28:21.940 it's a sight to behold the last two years for me just looking at the rhetoric and the discourse

00:28:27.240 online from christians from christians the way they speak about israel um i mean guys you know

00:28:35.940 out there who are listening if you're single find you a woman that loves the lord and loves you

00:28:42.340 the way that owen strong loves israel i mean my goodness i get like a wife of that caliber that

00:28:49.380 fidelity um who can find i don't know if it even exists but i like i've never seen such allegiance

00:28:55.360 right and i've also never seen such in the opposite direction such hatred yeah such vitriol

00:29:01.000 such um and and so you're exactly right michael that uh we are we are totally fine with friend

00:29:07.900 enemy distinctions yep we're fine with that framing we're fine with um with um even extreme

00:29:14.960 measures uh we're fine with um all these things that we say well that's not christian or that's

00:29:20.660 not american or that's not baptist really we're fine with all those things times 10 um we're just

00:29:27.700 not fine with those things if they're to the benefit of the prosperity the well-being and

00:29:33.100 blessing of america christianity right um white people um that like that's when that's when it

00:29:42.860 becomes um terrible terrible and just um but if it's to the benefit of another country besides

00:29:50.080 our own another religion besides our own another people besides our own then it's it's great that's

00:29:58.000 kind of what i've learned over the last two years yeah yeah okay let's hit our first commercial break

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00:31:37.880 All right. So I was doing some thinking over the last couple of days. And in particular, I saw

00:31:43.260 a study from pew research center and this was from the end of 2024 so i think december of 2024

00:31:50.020 so not that long ago and it was talking about the social media patterns and and which social

00:31:57.160 media platforms are used the most and it broke it down by age and demographic and nathan i'm just

00:32:02.360 now realizing that um i didn't send this to you so you guys have to take my word for it but um

00:32:07.340 And what was really interesting to me was that X was one of the lowest used social media platforms in America, even when broken down by age group.

00:32:19.760 Now, it was better.

00:32:23.380 It's more popular, a young 18 to 30 year olds, but then it is 18 to 80 year olds.

00:32:32.540 right but still even when you only look at 18 to 30 year olds it's still one of the lower

00:32:37.740 used social media platforms youtube facebook um snapchat was up there still amazingly

00:32:45.460 um instagram of course some of the other ones x was actually pretty low like like less than 30

00:32:53.540 percent um even for the 18 about 35 18 to 30 year olds are on x okay so my point is this

00:33:01.860 i'm assuming our average listener is on x we broadcast on x a lot of the discussion about

00:33:08.620 israel and zionism and all of those things is happening on x right and ons and and and we we

00:33:16.260 tell ourselves that x is the public square yeah the reality is there are a majority of a vast

00:33:23.780 majority of americans who don't have an x account and those who use social media aren't necessarily

00:33:28.420 using x right they're using other ones so the question that i want to explore here for a little

00:33:33.640 while with some of these clips is are are we going not in the right direction with the israel question

00:33:41.040 but are we making the headway that we think we are are people tired like nationally are people

00:33:46.100 just getting tired of the discussion are they joining the discussion are they saying that this

00:33:50.600 discussion is too polarized and they can't actually even have a normal conversation with

00:33:56.240 someone about it, because as soon as they bring it up, it's either I hate your position or I love

00:34:00.440 your position. So what I want to do, Joel, is play some clips from a couple of different podcasts

00:34:05.220 that have recently talked about this issue. And each of them, each of the podcasts kind of has

00:34:10.640 a different, like, I'm just tired of the topic, or I can't even have a good discussion because

00:34:14.680 every time I do, I get yelled at, or, you know, maybe we're not going hard enough into this

00:34:19.200 question. Right. Okay. So really interesting, but three, and so for the record, I'm not saying

00:34:25.140 that we're agreeing with these three different kind of perspectives on the Israel discussion.

00:34:29.780 I just want us to be aware that there are different perspectives on the Israel question,

00:34:34.240 even kind of on the right, and see what lessons we can take from that.

00:34:38.420 Okay, so this first series of clips is from Tim Pool, and he was interviewing Myron Gaines,

00:34:45.880 who, as I understand it, immigrated from Canada and is now a U.S. citizen, but he is a second

00:34:52.960 generation maybe somali uh but definitely a muslim okay yeah um and i'm familiar with him

00:34:59.100 i've seen some of his stuff and so on the show he is obviously uh pleading the case of the

00:35:05.980 palestinians in the mid in the middle east and he is very very i mean he would say a lot of things

00:35:11.340 that we would say you know about israel's outsized influence on the u.s and tim pool is going to

00:35:16.520 acknowledge those things but he tim pool is going to just say it's not so much anti-israel for me

00:35:21.840 it's America first for me and it would be I think very similar to maybe what Trump would say

00:35:26.220 okay okay so let's take a look here um there's there's several clips we're gonna try and play

00:35:31.040 them somewhat quickly but we do have to pause between them just to break it up and things like

00:35:34.800 that so Nate let's roll the first clip here he says my parents were immigrants my parents fought

00:35:40.100 hard to come to this country I understand what they want and why they want it I'm gonna fight

00:35:45.520 for those values well I was born in America with multiple generations going back hundreds of years 0.97

00:35:51.380 save my grandmother who came from Korea. I have all of these family members coming hundreds of

00:35:56.240 years who fought in a revolutionary war, who fought in a civil war, and whose moral traditions

00:36:01.340 have landed with me. And so what I say is, I understand, Roe, why you want to fight for

00:36:07.200 illegal immigrants, but you came to this country, your parents came here, and you are now a citizen,

00:36:14.740 you have access to everything we offer you because we are nice, we are good people. 0.95

00:36:18.020 But when you start advocating for non-citizens, people not from this country, this creates two worldviews that are at odds with each other, and there's no off-ramp. 0.99

00:36:28.900 People in this country who are saying, if you're not a citizen, so what? You can live here.

00:36:33.420 And what ends up happening?

00:36:34.760 You get, whatever I want to say about the Haitians, you get reports from the locals that they were eating cats.

00:36:40.200 Is it wrong to eat cats? 0.85

00:36:41.420 Well, people in America don't take kindly to that, but in Haiti, they do eat cats. 0.94

00:36:44.760 You see, there's a cultural clash. 1.00

00:36:45.940 in Dearborn, Michigan, you get reports of female genital mutilation. Well, a lot of people don't

00:36:50.940 take kindly to that. You get in the Somali community in Minnesota, similar stories. So

00:36:56.180 the people who are born and bred and raised in America, who are sitting beneath trees their

00:37:01.060 ancestors planted, our focus on what we are going to build for this country is rooted in a long

00:37:07.020 standing American tradition. We all know the lesson of the Native Americans. The left can

00:37:10.860 bring up all they want. We get it. Colonization destroys civilizations and communities and all

00:37:15.260 that stuff. We don't want that to happen to us. The simple version is this. If we prioritize

00:37:19.940 the speech rights of non-citizens and people who are guests in this country, 1.00

00:37:24.020 if we prioritize the rights of illegal immigrants, this country will evaporate.

00:37:31.380 So Myron was saying it was unjust that the Trump administration deported people for the

00:37:38.740 pro-palestinian anti-israel um you know demonstrations right tim's point is i don't

00:37:46.360 care who you are you don't get to come here and tell us how to run our country yeah i would like 0.95

00:37:50.180 to deport um people like that immigrants like that um without having to add the disclaimer of 0.99

00:38:00.660 they said something anti-semitic correct i would like to deport them correct just because they 0.98

00:38:05.480 shouldn't be here. And that's exactly what Myron says. He says, yeah, but you could have been 0.54

00:38:10.500 writing the same exact article and burning the same flags if they were American and still be a

00:38:15.620 foreigner and not get deported. Yeah, no. So if that was Myron's argument, then I agree with him

00:38:21.680 100%. I haven't watched that episode, but I agree with him 100% because even that is ultimately a

00:38:27.580 betrayal of your own country. It's basically saying we can't actually stand up for America

00:38:32.100 in and of itself we have to have some kind of adjacent ulterior ulterior fidelity and allegiance

00:38:39.420 in order to have a spine in order to to um to take action so uh where do we draw the line

00:38:47.460 as americans um when you're burning the american flag or when you're burning the israeli flag like

00:38:54.680 and and the answer sadly um in large part i think is like you can burn the american flag with

00:39:01.500 impunity yep not just as a citizen which is already um right terrible but you can you could

00:39:08.500 literally do it as an immigrant who's not even a citizen you can be burning the american flag

00:39:13.720 while proudly waving you know the the nation that you came from which i don't understand i don't 0.77

00:39:19.160 get that right like if you love that nation so much go back why are you here right white people

00:39:24.380 are oppressive then how come everybody wants to live where the white people are right i just i 0.94

00:39:29.740 would love for someone to answer that question if white people are so terrible why does everyone 0.96

00:39:33.260 everyone want to live in all the countries that white people started i don't i don't get that so 0.99

00:39:37.840 i'm here i'm waving you know the flag for my country back home i really love that i'm burning 0.60

00:39:42.380 your flag and you know what um that's yeah america will tolerate that maybe a slap on the wrist maybe 0.66

00:39:49.800 but then you burn some other foreign countries flag well let's be honest one other foreign

00:39:55.840 countries like namely israel and now now we're going to lay down the law and so that was mine's

00:40:01.760 argument then i agree with him 100 that said i'd love to see him deported too yes right well and to

00:40:08.320 tim's credit he says doesn't say myron specifically but he says we don't need canadian podcasters

00:40:15.840 coming down here telling us how to run our country correct now the reason i bring this up is because

00:40:21.760 Shortly into this discussion, Myron pushes back on him.

00:40:24.940 A super chat comes in, which I think Tim will read it. 0.98

00:40:29.820 It's basically, everything is all Israel's fault. 0.99

00:40:32.680 And I'm going to steel man Tim here for a second. 0.93

00:40:34.580 I think he reacts pretty strongly, which is why I play this clip.

00:40:37.960 Tim?

00:40:38.380 Tim does.

00:40:38.900 Okay.

00:40:39.260 And I think-

00:40:40.180 Tim loves himself some Israel.

00:40:41.260 Well, to steel man it-

00:40:42.560 But he actually has been pushing back against the James Lindsay's and the woke rights. 0.78

00:40:47.680 Yep, 100%.

00:40:48.240 Because I've kind of been done with Tim Pool, to be honest.

00:40:51.020 yep um i play him because a lot of people he's the last few days has encouraged me he's the

00:40:55.760 number one or two live podcasts on youtube every no yeah he's worth listening to just just getting

00:41:01.500 your fingers on the pulse and figuring out what what are you know some of the normie right guys

00:41:06.040 okay so we're gonna play this clip i'm gonna give my i guess steel man on it and then i want to get

00:41:11.160 your reaction to it so nate let's roll clip two here i'm sorry to interrupt you but like this

00:41:14.960 it's a super chat from this dude uh uh blackest path they're saying why are you uh tim you're

00:41:19.800 logically inconsistent why are you more likely to be deported for burning an israeli flag than an 0.98

00:41:23.620 american flag yo i don't care about your retarded obsession with israel yeah it's not shut up you 0.99

00:41:29.600 israel obsessed morons it's about the trade i don't care i don't care i don't care stop i don't 0.99

00:41:34.320 care if it's ukraine i don't care if it's israel i don't care if it's afghanistan i don't care where 0.99

00:41:37.720 you're from i don't care if you're from japan if you're from japan you come to this country

00:41:40.960 and they start protesting and declaring that americans should change our behavior for you 0.52

00:41:45.500 get out and and and you know i gotta be honest when i hear people defending non-citizens coming

00:41:51.960 in and trying to dictate american governmental policy they have no right to do this and then 0.78

00:41:56.860 they say well but it's because israel okay i get it you're obsessed your your brain is rotted from

00:42:01.220 your skull because the only thing you think about is israel i care about all the countries that are 0.66

00:42:04.760 trying to negatively impact the united states that have we've got to deal with venezuela sending

00:42:09.560 people from their prisons now i know it's it's it's semantic they're not literally taking people

00:42:14.120 lot of prisons, putting them on a bus and saying, go to America. They're releasing them and saying,

00:42:17.360 get out of the country, go there instead. We don't want you. And then when they come here, 0.98

00:42:21.680 Donald Trump says, we want to send these Venezuelan gangs and prisoners, you know,

00:42:25.580 former prisoners, cons and criminals back to Venezuela. They say no. So what does he do?

00:42:29.980 He cuts a deal with El Salvador. These are criminals from Venezuela. You take them. We 0.96

00:42:33.540 don't want them. The Democrats then say, we're going to keep them here. And then you super

00:42:37.100 chit, but Israel. This is why our country is being screwed over and mercilessly beaten. 1.00

00:42:43.260 And it's why we're facing these catastrophes that we're facing, OK, because of the myopic view of so many people. 1.00

00:42:50.460 I do these debates and conversations, and they're focused on one super stupid. 1.00

00:42:54.840 Let me put it this way. During Occupy Wall Street, one of the most amazing moments was when some guy stood up during the General Assembly and he screamed out, what is wrong with you people? 0.99

00:43:06.940 The only thing we need to focus on is fracking. It is the center of all of our problems.

00:43:11.560 And I thought, my God. There are people that live in bubbles. They only see one thing. That's the only thing they care about me. I got a bubble. I do. It's America. So if it's Venezuela, if it is Ukraine, if it is Russia, Iran, China, Israel or otherwise, and they're negatively impacting us, I'm going to say, stop. I don't want to be involved in this.

00:43:31.580 all right so my question is i think a lot of people would probably agree with tim

00:43:38.000 they would say you are overly focused on the negatives from israel i'm saying that they would

00:43:45.080 say that to us right and there's a whole lot of other ills out there as well right and so

00:43:50.500 i think tim would say i'm frustrated because every time we try and make headway we get some guy who

00:43:55.920 comes in here and says it's just israel that's the skeleton key and there's other problems right

00:44:01.540 Right. Yeah. Well, again, I haven't seen the full context and other things that were being said in that conversation, but that basic principle, if we're just saying, if basically all we're saying is, you know what, dig a little deeper and, you know, there's some extra hate in your heart that you can evenly disperse to other groups.

00:44:22.960 you don't have to just hate israel you know you can hate islam as well you know and like uh then

00:44:28.440 yeah sure i'm for that like i i am there's there's a lot of things a lot of countries i hate a lot of 0.68

00:44:34.580 ideologies i hate a lot of false religions i hate and i hate them all so if that if that's the

00:44:39.960 argument is like joel like we're concerned that you're just you're hating judaism um in isolation 0.67

00:44:46.540 um then then that is a concern and i need to you know i'm going to go in prayer and i'm going to

00:44:52.560 humbly ask the Lord, Lord, give me more hate so that I have enough, you know, to where I can hate 0.95

00:44:57.460 Judaism as much as I do without compromising an inch, but be able to hate Islam just as much 0.99

00:45:04.900 in addition. Now that said, you know, I'm being a little facetious, but not really. And I would 1.00

00:45:09.580 say by the grace of God, I actually don't need to pray that prayer because I actually already 1.00

00:45:14.980 hate both Islam and Judaism with a fierce hatred. As David says in the Psalms, do I not hate those? 1.00

00:45:21.860 he doesn't just say that not just things not just ideas but he says do i not hate those who hate

00:45:28.200 you yes i hate them with a perfect hatred or some translations say with a complete hatred um i hate

00:45:36.700 the enemies of god i absolutely do wherever they can be found um at the same time because of a whole

00:45:43.120 biblical theology in the words of christ i also love the enemies of god so we're called to love

00:45:48.200 our enemies and pray for those who persecute us. And I don't think that those two things are at

00:45:52.920 odds. I know that it sounds on its face to be a contradiction. It seemingly seems to be a

00:45:58.580 paradox. But while we were yet sinners, God demonstrated his love for us in this, that while

00:46:04.740 we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. So it's not that God finally loved us enough to send his

00:46:12.100 own son to die for us after we had already been made lovely. But no, it's while we were unlovable,

00:46:19.420 Jesus died to make us lovable, but only because God pre-loved us. So God loved us while we were

00:46:26.860 yet unlovable, and he loved us when we were unlovable enough to send Jesus to make us lovable.

00:46:33.920 And so I take the words of Jesus to be the same application as it pertains to us, that I'm called

00:46:40.580 to love my enemies, not because they're lovable. I'm called to love my enemies and following,

00:46:46.220 emulating the example of Christ. He loved me when I wasn't lovable. So I'm called to genuinely love

00:46:51.340 my enemies, and I'm called to pray for those who persecute me. But I talked about this yesterday

00:46:55.980 on the Lord's Day a little bit at church, but these things are not at odds. I can love my enemies

00:47:01.360 and pray for those who persecute me, and I can do so as I'm walking them hand in hand to the

00:47:08.100 guillotine right justice um is not at odds with love and so you can genuinely love someone and

00:47:17.120 yet if it's a public enemy and not just sins but those sins which biblically should and must be

00:47:23.800 also categorized as crimes uh then if somebody is a a public criminal um and it's something that

00:47:32.080 biblically speaking merits the death penalty then that person is an enemy that you love so you preach

00:47:37.380 the gospel to them you plead with them that they might repent and come to saving faith in the lord

00:47:42.680 jesus christ and you pray for them what are you praying for you're praying for their eternal joy

00:47:47.840 because you're praying for their conversion you're praying for their salvation and all the while

00:47:52.340 doing this and also in this temporal world and in a civil uh sphere um you're also uh holding court

00:48:01.440 and producing evidence that ultimately indicts them

00:48:05.780 and finds them guilty

00:48:07.200 and then walking them down to the noose 1.00

00:48:10.320 or the guillotine or the electric chair 0.99

00:48:12.100 or whatever is permissible in your country,

00:48:14.620 whatever those means are,

00:48:16.520 justice and love are not at odds.

00:48:18.940 Justice and love are not at odds.

00:48:21.380 So all that being said, 0.98

00:48:23.460 yeah, I hate Judaism. 1.00

00:48:26.400 I hate it. 1.00

00:48:27.600 And I hate Islam. 0.99

00:48:28.940 and i pray for both jews and muslims that that god and his kindness in the same way that he was 0.97

00:48:35.860 kind with me when i was once a child of his wrath and an enemy of god god saved me when i was

00:48:43.100 unlovable and he made me lovable by the blood of his son and so i pray that god does that for

00:48:48.540 muslims and i pray that god does that for jews and and so that's a genuine prayer that's a genuine

00:48:54.660 heart affection and love for these people. But none of that, we're just, we're blurring

00:49:00.860 categories. So I can do that at a spiritual, ultimate, eternal level. And it's genuine.

00:49:07.260 It's not just pretty words. It's not just platitudes. You can genuinely do that. Really

00:49:13.000 pray for your enemies and really love them and ask the Lord to save them, that they might become

00:49:19.240 brothers and sisters in Christ that you actually have profound, deep friendship and relationship

00:49:23.820 with in eternity and you can do that you can mean it you can believe it and you can also say get out

00:49:31.280 of our country or we'll kill you those two things are not at odds with one another so um what tim's

00:49:38.000 saying in that particular clip for me it's a little bit difficult because i've just i've seen

00:49:43.880 i've listened to enough of tim pool yep and i've seen enough of his tweeting again to his credit

00:49:49.840 though i really appreciate the last few days um as he's been kind of going back and forth with

00:49:55.560 james lindsey and saying guys you're just liberals you're not actually on the right you were never on

00:50:01.160 the right you're just liberals who are trying to smear the actual the real right ascendant right

00:50:07.920 real right whatever you want to call it um by calling it by calling it woke um and you know

00:50:15.380 what you're doing and this is deceptive and it's wrong and you're doing it from this pretended

00:50:20.800 position of i'm critiquing my own party i'm critiquing the right as a member of the right

00:50:26.780 since when is james lindsey and bill maher and like i mean think about these are guys who love

00:50:33.020 baby murder yep they have voted for every democrat policy there ever was until it came to chopping 0.94

00:50:39.840 off the genitals of children it literally it was not until we talked started talking about chopping 0.98

00:50:46.040 off children's genitals that they were like okay now that's where i draw the line you're talking 0.98

00:50:51.840 about wicked people joel i actually i've been thinking since since last week or maybe it was

00:50:56.840 one of the recorded episodes we did this thought has just been churning in my mind we i think

00:51:02.820 you're right i think there's a point where kind of a reasonable person sees what we're doing with

00:51:07.700 the transgender movement and says okay that's a line that cannot be crossed but on a systematic

00:51:12.860 level i think the only reason i i won't speak individually i won't impugn their motives but

00:51:19.960 people like lindsey and marr and the academics who were liberal but benefiting from the way the

00:51:26.200 system was there's a very cynical side of me that says the only reason why they began to object to

00:51:31.500 any of this was because it threatened to overthrow the enlightenment neocon liberalism 100 that had

00:51:39.480 existed for so long it had benefited them so tremendously yes no that that's it that's it it's

00:51:46.420 um yeah when all of a sudden uh it wasn't a merit-based system anymore right and all of a

00:51:54.800 sudden somebody you know could get their peer review study approved in some you know some

00:52:01.980 journal um on on the basis of the color of their skin because they had more melanin you know in a

00:52:09.200 darker skin tone then james lindsey got upset yep that that upset james lindsey because now it's

00:52:15.960 actually threatening his occupation yes what he cares about yes um what what he's and and and to

00:52:22.920 be fair to james lindsey what he actually has worked hard at yeah james lindsey did a lot of

00:52:27.420 reading yep a lot of writing a lot of study and all of a sudden when those things were starting

00:52:33.160 to lose their value yep um unfairly and somebody else who who did not do the reading did not do

00:52:39.580 the study is getting accolades and getting credentials uh simply on the basis of the

00:52:46.020 color of their skin now james lindsey is a conservative all of a sudden yeah you know so

00:52:51.420 so i'm just answering your your object you know i said it was um so basically to sum this up for 0.68

00:52:57.360 those listening um i said you know it's not until they started uh chopping off you know mutilating

00:53:01.820 uh children that they said uh that's that's it that's the line um that's that's a step too far

00:53:07.280 and michael uh very uh respectfully basically if i can interpret it you objected and said

00:53:13.180 actually joel for someone like james lindsey and bill maher i don't even know if that was a line

00:53:17.240 i think they might even be fine with that it was when their own it wasn't that they care so much

00:53:22.660 for uh the 12 year old girl who's having her breasts chopped off um actually it might have

00:53:27.120 just been their own personal credentials being threatened right that actually might be the only

00:53:33.160 line that ever got them even for a moment as brief as it was which is why they're reacting to the

00:53:38.320 woke right because it's doing the same thing right yeah to them to them to them yeah it's not the

00:53:44.020 same thing but um that's what they're trying to make it sound like um tomato tomato woke left

00:53:49.200 woke right uh but it but it is it is threatening um the the the new space that they carved out for

00:53:56.300 themselves yes it is threatening their accolades their opportunities um their the public perception

00:54:03.180 of who they are and so uh that that in that sense woke left woke right which woke right's not a

00:54:09.740 thing but just right humor us for a moment pretend that it was woke left and woke right they are the

00:54:15.600 same yep i'll go on record saying it publicly they are the same if we mean by that uh that they both

00:54:21.360 threatened james that's right then then in that sense yes they are the same and that's precisely

00:54:27.640 why lindsey hates them both yeah um but all that being said back to you know the topic at hand

00:54:32.520 i what i was going to say is i really appreciate tim pool the last few days putting some um

00:54:38.860 putting some pressure and and some pushback on uh this whole woke right discourse and pushing

00:54:45.180 back on james so i really appreciate that that said i got to a place not that i was an avid you

00:54:51.140 know tim pool listener you know on a regular basis um but but i would tune in from time to time like

00:54:56.780 you said michael it's just i think it's a good good kind of finger in the air you know fingers

00:55:01.760 on the polls and just the general sentiment of where's the average normie you know neocon type

00:55:09.280 you know normal person on the right the guy who just wants to grill in his backyard leave me alone

00:55:13.700 you know don't tread on me you know that that kind of guy um and and temple i think is um

00:55:19.240 i think he's a good representation of where that guy is at he represents millions of people

00:55:24.780 um not you know he does and so for that reason um i i think there's value there but even even

00:55:31.460 listening with that purpose i i kind of dropped off and i stopped listening because

00:55:35.980 it just it seemed like it just seemed like he started shilling for israel it really just seemed

00:55:42.800 like um he was willing to say some some fairly courageous things in 2020 2021 even 2022 but then

00:55:51.980 all of a sudden it just seemed like all right he just um you know he's he's he's been bought

00:55:58.800 it just felt you know and and whatever and so i i kind of you know tuned out but all that being

00:56:04.420 said back back to his point the point that he made in that clip in isolation without the the

00:56:10.660 larger temple contact uh context the backdrop i agree with that point um 100 like it uh any

00:56:18.360 allegiance to any other country then here's the deal go there right go there right right so it's

00:56:26.580 like why i love my blank heritage whatever it is fill in the blanket like so yeah if a guy is like

00:56:32.980 um it's allegiance to israel is um that's what really upsets me that's where i draw the line

00:56:39.120 then i agree with tim uh tim pool and saying that is um i think narrow-minded and um my optic

00:56:45.880 uh for me it's allegiance to any other country if uh if you're talking about your your your love

00:56:54.120 for china right then go back to china if you're talking about your love for south korea um and

00:57:01.440 and your heritage like then then go back to south korea you either love it or you don't it's kind of

00:57:07.500 did you watch um i don't want to get derailed from the topic at hand so i'll try to make it brief but

00:57:12.540 did you watch the debate between samuel say and cory moller no not yet so i watched it um i was

00:57:19.160 fascinated and intrigued me and my wife we sat down and watched it together and she

00:57:22.780 she was like this is these are the conversations that like that are happening on twitter on a day

00:57:29.040 she's like she just once again she was like i'm so glad i have my life and not yours i'm so glad

00:57:35.260 she's like i'm going you know we're going to the pool me and my five children having a lovely day

00:57:39.740 having a picnic you know and meanwhile you're like uh getting in these skirmishes and blah blah

00:57:44.780 so anyways we we watched it together and there were things on both sides that that i you know

00:57:50.220 disagreements that i would hold on both sides um i i will say this i think sam you'll say i thought

00:57:55.260 i i honestly thought that he would um i i thought that it would not fare well for sam you'll say

00:58:01.120 um but i i will say i was pleasantly surprised and and and pleasantly like i mean that genuinely

00:58:08.600 like i was happy for him i think he made some decent arguments um i think he made some bad

00:58:13.220 arguments but i think he made some decent arguments also and what i was going to say is he he clearly

00:58:18.040 did uh substantially better than chris rosebrough um substantial i mean that's what i like so much

00:58:24.240 better chris rosebrough there's not one positive thing i could say about that interaction i mean

00:58:29.100 he just i like cory mallard should be sending chris rosebrough um that's true royalties like

00:58:35.500 stone choir should be paying chris rose bro uh because i don't know if anybody has made stone

00:58:40.780 choir look better than chris rose bro so anyways um with samuel say there were a few good points

00:58:45.440 he made but one great point that cory made is he said um your actions are inconsistent with

00:58:52.460 your words and and he said that to samuel say he said um i love my my ghana heritage

00:59:00.500 i'm from ghana i love it um and um and and i will always love it and uh and cory said um

00:59:10.200 but you left ghana you married a christian woman praise god for that but who is not um gone in

00:59:19.020 and uh and you have deprived your children both by where you live now in america um and by who

00:59:29.000 you married of that heritage that you claim to love so uh and so cory like what he was saying

00:59:36.280 there was wasn't even so much um well you can't be here now cory has kind of said that right

00:59:41.800 elsewhere you know and so i you know but but in this debate at least in the context of this debate

00:59:47.620 he wasn't um he wasn't necessarily saying um it's there's only one option go back to gone and get

00:59:54.180 out of america right and divorce your wife and then you're married like he didn't say any of

00:59:58.000 those things um what he was saying though was not one option but two he was saying just there's

01:00:05.240 actually two options here but you need to pick one of them you can't have both you need to pick a

01:00:09.660 lane and basically what cory was saying the way i interpreted it now again other things other things

01:00:16.020 are other things but but in the context of this debate um he was basically saying just just be

01:00:22.360 honest brother right like just just say uh gonna sucks we all know it sucks like i i like i spoke

01:00:30.440 at a conference with samuel say and just for the record i like samuel i i don't agree with him on 0.69

01:00:35.480 a lot of the the current cultural things that are going on and and we found ourselves like uh like

01:00:41.780 the fox and the hound on on different you know sides of the equation you know the fox and the

01:00:45.480 hound movie where they're friends when they're little and then they grow up and they realize

01:00:48.420 oh no like we're you know we're we're not on the same team and so uh which is unfortunate because

01:00:53.480 i really like samuel say i think he's a brother in christ i have no questions about that um i

01:00:58.360 actually think he did surprisingly well um in that debate with uh cory mauler um i don't think it was

01:01:04.840 clear that he won the debate but i'm just saying i felt like there was some merit on both sides

01:01:09.200 whereas chris rosebroe there was no merit on his side whatsoever so um but i think cory on that

01:01:15.280 issue is right uh because i want to push back on that when you're done what i was going to say is

01:01:19.420 like so even speaking at a conference with samuel say i remember uh sitting there on in one of the

01:01:24.840 pews and him talking sharing the story of i think it was when he turned either um it was a birthday

01:01:31.540 i know that it was a birthday with you know uh with his mom um in ghana and i think he was turning

01:01:38.160 eight but but you know a young relatively young age and his mother asked what he wanted for his

01:01:43.020 birthday and he said an egg i just more than anything yeah i just want an egg he wanted to

01:01:49.720 eat an egg and um you know that's kind of sad yeah you know and and you feel for someone like that

01:01:58.700 and um and and my point is just to say i think it's perfectly appropriate to say i love these 0.65

01:02:06.360 people but um but their country sucks yeah and they've achieved very little very little i think

01:02:14.460 all of that is so here's my pushback and i was eager and joy this is my main point yeah i was 0.98

01:02:19.580 overjoyed to leave i think all of that can be the case overjoyed to leave so just be honest and say

01:02:25.240 yeah i actually married an american white woman moved to a much objectively better country and

01:02:31.940 and left that behind for good reason i think all that can be the case and you can still love the

01:02:38.600 place that you came from you know what i'm saying like yeah with like nostalgia maybe sure like you

01:02:45.040 grow up in an apartment complex and later in life you're a multi-millionaire you have a mansion and

01:02:49.140 a pool i left but you drive by that apartment complex and you see it and there's the tree

01:02:53.020 that you climb in front and yes there's i left washington because it's terrible but there are

01:02:58.600 things that i still love about washington the mountains the hunting the fishing all of those

01:03:03.380 things yes now of course yeah maybe samuel say was unwilling or unable to say yeah gone is a

01:03:08.360 terrible place right but i i actually think we would do someone i think he might say that if

01:03:13.640 you know if if it's defined in what ways with our natural affections i actually think we're talking

01:03:19.220 out of both sides of our mouth here a little bit to say you have to come to the better place and

01:03:23.720 you have to reject all natural affection that you had growing up well just to be fair i would never

01:03:27.420 say you have to come to the better place in fact i would say if you're going to come please don't

01:03:32.040 stop you're going to come to the to the new place right you're going to get you you have like like

01:03:38.160 even in the old testament solomon is exhorting one of his wives to forget her father and her

01:03:45.340 land of custom because it is natural for us to remember where we came from um so i i heard that

01:03:51.420 clip go around a lot and people talking about i don't necessarily know that cornwaller's reply

01:03:57.000 was the win that people think it was because i actually think it would be insulting to have no

01:04:01.760 love of the place that you came from even while being able to acknowledge it's it's a terrible

01:04:06.540 place right now right like it's got nothing going for it right but it's you know it's the place i

01:04:11.060 came from i love it yeah i think you can still i hear your point and i think it's a perfectly valid

01:04:15.540 point um to be able to say this is where i grew up if you've got an abusive dad this is where i

01:04:20.620 grew up and you might still say there's part of my dad that i love of course it's your dad yeah but

01:04:24.680 he was abusive it's your dad yeah and same with uh yeah a country it's your fatherland yeah that's

01:04:29.980 what patriotism yeah right patriarchy patriotism that's where it's love of the fatherland it's

01:04:35.760 like this is my fatherland yeah and in the same way that i love my biological father i also love

01:04:41.000 my fatherland um i think that's absolutely true uh which is just one more reason why immigration

01:04:48.100 should be exceedingly rare yeah because because i agree with you michael what you're saying is

01:04:52.960 that these are profound affections that God himself is rooted in the hearts of men and they

01:04:58.960 do not dissipate easily. They don't. Like, just like to, like, I mean, you could, you know,

01:05:05.500 there are like dystopian, you know, apocalyptic movies where all these children at a young age

01:05:12.080 are snatched away from their parents by the bad guy, the enemy. And then they spend the next like

01:05:16.700 10 years trying to indoctrinate the children to hate their own parents, you know, to go back,

01:05:21.220 you know like uh like i say dystopian movies or you could just say the public school system in

01:05:26.180 america you know either either way you know but like um but that's you know that's a a common

01:05:30.680 you know theme um but the point is like it's not easy it takes 10 years of like every ounce of

01:05:37.500 propaganda you can muster you know and to to because it's not easy to turn a child against

01:05:43.820 his father right or against his mother and likewise because these are natural things that

01:05:49.200 a part of the world that God made, this isn't a result of the curse.

01:05:52.320 This is a result of just creation, the way that God designed the world

01:05:55.340 and the way he designed people.

01:05:56.880 It is a difficult thing to turn a child against its parents,

01:06:00.700 and likewise, it's a difficult thing to turn a man against his country.

01:06:05.100 It should be difficult because there are affections that are rooted in the heart.

01:06:09.320 But again, that would just be one more reason.

01:06:13.080 So going back to the Tim Pool clip, yeah, like an allegiance to any other nation,

01:06:17.960 not just Israel, but any other nation outside of America,

01:06:20.680 to me, means that you shouldn't be in America. 0.91

01:06:24.600 And all we've established now in the last 10 minutes 0.92

01:06:27.580 of talking further is that at a natural level,

01:06:32.520 most people are going to have an allegiance

01:06:35.120 that's very, very, very hard to get rid of in their hearts

01:06:39.000 for the country that they were born in,

01:06:40.880 the country that they were raised in.

01:06:42.380 And because of that, to me, that's just all the more reason 0.98

01:06:46.740 that um that you shouldn't be importing millions of people to to another country and taking them

01:06:54.240 out of the country where they were like what do you think is going to happen i always i've said

01:06:57.960 it before i'll say it again but like i always think of the scene in braveheart where you know

01:07:01.980 um the english are are you know they're like it's the beginning of the war and so they you know they

01:07:07.200 they protect their own people you know send them out later on so first they send out the peasants

01:07:12.240 you know um and they're gonna go and do you know single hand you know combat you know with a um

01:07:17.280 with swords and spears and things like that and then they'll send in the archer the archers even 0.97

01:07:22.020 when the peasants are still alive and shoot them you know to and to kill some of the enemy because

01:07:26.300 they don't care about them right they're just pawns well there's a scene where they're sending 0.98

01:07:30.140 out the peasants but they're not english native english stock they're they're Irish yeah they're

01:07:35.200 Irish people who've kind of like they're mercenaries yeah mercenaries they came you know

01:07:39.700 england kind of conquered them and they came in you know and um and so they're sending them out 0.98

01:07:44.100 against uh other irish against the scots or the scots you're right but the irish and scots are

01:07:49.480 cousins you know and so um and so they send them out and so they're running like ah you know running

01:07:53.840 to the battle like they're gonna you know bludgeon each other and and you know start slashing swords

01:07:58.000 and as soon as they you know get close enough you know physically to touch they drop their weapons

01:08:02.300 and start giving each other hugs and handshakes right it's great to see you because because

01:08:06.640 natural affections are hard hard to snuff out and um and and that's what we have right now in our

01:08:14.660 country so like and so they end up turning on the english you know and and actually helping out the 0.75

01:08:20.620 scots um and and that's what we have in our country right now we're pretending as though we're shocked

01:08:25.380 uh it's like yeah well it turns out come to find out people are not widgets they're not they're

01:08:32.460 not replaceable you can't just exchange one with another you know and plug and play and you know

01:08:37.320 tomato tomato it's all the same no like people are not widgets people have allegiances they have

01:08:43.460 affections they have loyalties um and and you cannot import millions and millions of foreigners

01:08:51.180 and think that that just because uh they're now in america or even because they were born in america

01:08:58.000 even you know the anchor babies and second generation and think that oh yeah this this

01:09:02.940 person who comes from a lineage that lived for a thousand years in another place right with its own

01:09:10.240 wars its own culture its own heritage its own land its own um and and this person is going to

01:09:16.120 come here and magically shift on a dime or their baby is going to be born here and never know like

01:09:21.060 i've heard story after story of people who were born in america um i've heard several asians

01:09:26.800 like a japanese you know they were born in america they've never even been to japan they go for the

01:09:32.400 first time as a young adult to visit japan and they're like this is my home i belong here i've

01:09:39.000 never even seen it but like there's something deep in their soul they're like these are my people

01:09:45.060 this is my land and they're like walking around the streets of japan almost weeping because they

01:09:49.900 realized that they were uprooted and taken i remember the votie bacham story a lot of people

01:09:54.180 may not know this but i remember it was it was profound where vody when he first went to zambia

01:09:59.040 his first trip uh to visit conor and bayway and um i don't think it's when he moved there but when

01:10:03.840 he was kind of scoping out yeah and so he goes to zambia his first trip and there's an old you know

01:10:08.840 zambian you know black man and uh and at the church where vody is going to visit i think he's

01:10:15.080 going to preach and um and he's you know vody's introducing himself and a lot of the people speak

01:10:20.540 broken English. They speak somewhat proficient English. And this man is speaking a little bit

01:10:25.860 of English to him. And he says to Voti, he says, is this your first time in Africa? And he says,

01:10:35.140 yes. And the old man says, welcome home, son. Welcome home, son. As an older man, a father,

01:10:43.320 welcome home. And Voti told this story. And he said that when that older man said, welcome home,

01:10:48.580 son that vote he started crying right like something powerful rung true in him that this 0.95

01:10:57.300 was his home and he was ripped from it sold by his own people to a foreign people taken across

01:11:06.360 oceans and and and vote he isn't even just second generation born in america vote he is like several

01:11:13.300 subsequent generations in america and so i'm not sitting here my point is not to say and therefore

01:11:18.200 Votie's not American.

01:11:19.140 I believe he is not just American citizen,

01:11:21.380 but like a true American.

01:11:23.080 I really do.

01:11:24.320 And yet even in Votie's case, he's like, yeah, but-

01:11:28.280 There was a pull.

01:11:28.840 There's a pull.

01:11:30.220 I'm from, like my people, Votie's ancestry is,

01:11:34.740 you know, few hundred years in America,

01:11:37.720 but few thousand years in Africa.

01:11:41.180 And that still hasn't quite died in his heart.

01:11:44.180 That's how powerful these things are

01:11:45.960 that we're talking about.

01:11:46.680 so long story short what does it mean um it means that i don't care what country it's from

01:11:54.180 and and i don't even care how many generations deep you go um if if you have a sizable population

01:12:02.360 of your country that is imported from somewhere else then your country will be divided right it

01:12:10.280 will be divided i think that's the lesson to me that's the only takeaway is not that there can

01:12:14.380 never be any immigration around the world ever that's not my position but i would say that

01:12:18.840 immigration always always should be few and far between well it should be the exception historically

01:12:25.280 it's been usually because of war or like necessity right like war famine like south africa yes like

01:12:32.880 like this is like the first time ever that like white people right who are genuinely persecuted

01:12:37.760 in south africa are immigrant like because usually it's you know it's never white people necessarily

01:12:42.820 that are immigrating certainly not as refugees and now right and now they are from south africa

01:12:47.320 right and um but it should be the point is it should be something like that like like we um

01:12:52.540 and even in that case america for the foreseeable future as you and i have said several times

01:12:57.160 has to be closed because we've taken too many even when you look at um the children of israel

01:13:03.720 and joseph like they they went back to their land that god had promised them and joseph gave

01:13:09.500 instructions regarding his bones you know those belong in my people's land and when you go back

01:13:16.700 take those bones with you and they did even when i'm dead yep like i don't i don't want to be

01:13:21.840 buried here this is not my home yeah yeah these are powerful things that we've just it's the same

01:13:28.360 as like jurassic park you know like you know like life finds a way and like you're messing with

01:13:33.060 things that you think you can control and that you can just govern and they're way they're too

01:13:38.400 powerful for you you're you're overplaying your hand underestimating the substance of what you're

01:13:43.600 dealing with you can't just mess with you know dinosaur dna you know and think that you can

01:13:47.840 control same thing when you talk about natural affections yeah the sword cut we're playing a

01:13:53.220 game that we think we can just it doesn't work that way you're talking about thousands of years

01:13:59.180 of people being rooted in certain places with certain people and thinking that you could turn

01:14:04.640 on a dime that's true no the sword does cut both ways though because even by the scale that you're

01:14:10.640 using the wasps have been here not that much longer correct you know and so um correct but

01:14:18.860 they came over as a people with their i understand that and i would say that's the difference and

01:14:24.080 they settled but i'm sure they missed england i'm sure they did yeah of course for a long time

01:14:29.080 for a long time um my point is we're talking about the realities that god has built into us

01:14:36.960 on the one hand the natural order of things and we're talking about the political realities of

01:14:45.520 sometimes there's a war and people have to flee and then they live in a new place sometimes there's

01:14:49.500 religious persecution and they come across the ocean and they inhabit a new land right and what

01:14:53.960 what we need to be careful of doing we need to be careful of when we say the natural is so much

01:15:02.060 stronger than the political that it must override right and some cases you do that you say we're

01:15:07.140 sending people we want to get we want to send people out of our country because they're not

01:15:10.900 from here they're from somewhere else there we're taking the natural um argument and we're saying

01:15:16.300 that supersedes some of the political machinations going on in the world and we're going to play this

01:15:21.060 one on top of the political globalist you know whatever we're going to use the natural as a

01:15:25.240 corrective right but we just have to have wisdom and discernment to know how those two things

01:15:31.740 interplay and there's not always easy answers i'm saying with i'm not arguing against globalism

01:15:35.760 here i'm just saying there there are also political realities because if you take this far enough 0.89

01:15:42.060 then you get into the well all blacks have to go back to africa because that's their i know

01:15:46.100 yeah that's not the point that i'm making i know it's not the point what i am saying is that 0.96

01:15:50.340 but they're powerful and they're strong it's powerful and it's strong yes and um and there 1.00

01:15:57.320 are a lot of blacks that do need to go back they're called haitians right i agree you know 0.94

01:16:02.700 like i agree but um but yeah you can't um people are not widgets you can't just switch things and 0.53

01:16:09.560 turn them around on a dime and so all this all this back to the tim pool clip i just think that

01:16:15.100 I agree with what he's saying. I feel like Tim kind of has been a little Zion-ish, 0.72

01:16:22.000 you know, Zionist-ish, and I have not necessarily appreciated that. But if we're just talking about 0.95

01:16:28.920 that one clip in isolation without other things that Tim Pool has said, I agree 100%. If I see

01:16:34.340 somebody, you know, screaming online about allegiance to Israel, or if it's like, I'll put

01:16:41.780 it this way um i have just as much um i i just as despise just as much despise ilhan omar as i do 0.98

01:16:52.720 you know some israeli shit yes yes so and i think that's that's probably a good litmus test 0.96

01:16:58.380 if you find yourself like like ilman uh ilhan omar doesn't you know doesn't bother you like 0.99

01:17:04.580 setting up a somalian enclave right in america and very clearly like saying i'm going to break the 0.86

01:17:13.940 law yep i'm going to break the law in america to um to you know to establish like some somalian

01:17:22.580 state it's like chas when they set that up you know in washington yeah like uh doing that for 0.72

01:17:27.780 for small, like if, if that doesn't bother you, but, but, you know, the Zionist does bother you, 0.87

01:17:35.080 then I would say, yeah, you, you're probably, you probably got Israel brain a little bit. You're 0.96

01:17:38.960 probably. But the opposite is true too. My optic. And the opposite is true also. Exactly. Yep. And

01:17:43.800 so if you find yourself bothered by Ilhan Omar, but, but you can't ever see the very same concept

01:17:51.020 with Israel, then, then you also have Israel brain. You're a Zionist. The other way. I think,

01:17:56.940 yeah i think both of those are true i think the solution is just um america first across the board

01:18:02.160 i don't think you can be a hard uh i don't think you can be a zionist and be america first right 0.57

01:18:07.880 no you can't i i don't think so so that's for me that's i i have pushed hard against israel 0.97

01:18:14.400 for two reasons one um on the basis of religion judaism i believe is is uniquely pernicious as

01:18:22.420 a false religion and i think judaism has seeped in elements of judaism have seeped into evangelicals

01:18:29.740 which of which i'm one in a way that um tenants of of islam have not right so on that basis on

01:18:37.260 a theological basis as a christian pastor i am i i am very very adamant against um against

01:18:45.660 israeli influence and and judeo-christian influence um so that's one reason and then um

01:18:54.580 and then secondly at a political level um i just i don't i don't see america um bending over

01:19:03.320 backwards to uh make concessions with with other foreign you know countries other than israel and

01:19:13.260 ukraine to that degree i mean i think we do it with a lot of different people but to that degree

01:19:19.000 and so i so religiously and politically that's why i've gone so hard um against uh israel uh but

01:19:26.820 that said um yeah if if if trump cut ties with israel and we were done with that and all of a

01:19:34.460 sudden um there was more muslims showing up at our doorstep and he made some kind of alliance with

01:19:41.360 all these muslim nations and uh and then pastors you know evangelical pastors in france where 0.99

01:19:48.220 they're going to be invaded by islam if in 100 years they are yes or yeah no you're right absorbing 0.87

01:19:53.700 islamic doctrine into the church and then exactly and then like evangelical pastors if they started 0.83

01:19:58.800 talking about um islamic christian values that's right you know what i mean then like then then 0.71

01:20:05.100 you would hear me so i i i hate islam yeah i do um but but sometimes when you're when you're 0.98

01:20:12.720 picking your enemy right it's hard to fight like a hundred battles all at the same time 0.97

01:20:17.240 like you you always have to yes practice triage and prioritize and so for me when i'm thinking

01:20:23.320 of battles usually my just so the listener knows if you're wondering like why does joel talk about

01:20:28.380 the things he talks it's usually just doing triage and what i'm what i'm triaging is um not

01:20:34.460 just what's an enemy or who's an enemy um but but what are the most threatening i'm doing it by like

01:20:41.380 the same way a doctor if you go into the emergency room you're in a car wreck you know and you might

01:20:45.640 have a scratched knee but then you also have a piece of the steering wheel jabbed into you know

01:20:50.420 one of your lungs like they're not going to start you know dressing your your knee with neosporin

01:20:56.120 and a boo-boo band-aid like they're gonna they're gonna deal with a steering wheel that's that's

01:21:00.940 lodged into one of your lungs right you like you pick the thing that's that's killing you the 0.98

01:21:06.080 fastest that's posing the biggest threat and so uh when i look at america today um islam is terrible 0.86

01:21:13.980 it has been a long-standing enemy of the church for 13 centuries and if this was you know the year 0.68

01:21:21.020 1300 right then you you would you know and they have if they had podcasts back then you know like

01:21:26.940 you would hear me podcasting about islam every single day you know um or if i was in england

01:21:33.140 yeah i would probably be it'd probably be somewhat equal talking about islam and

01:21:37.160 but i'm in america right and and we just have to admit guys um america has been uniquely

01:21:45.620 beholden to israel right and in the church the evangelical church we have uniquely carved it

01:21:52.740 we don't do this for hinduism we don't do it for islam we don't do it for buddhism we don't do it

01:21:56.600 for any other world religion, and yet we've carved out, 0.67

01:21:59.440 we'll say, yeah, I mean, technically it's not Christian,

01:22:01.860 but this weird adjacent category for one false religion, 0.56

01:22:07.140 namely Judaism, that we don't do for any other worldview.

01:22:11.300 And so as an American and as a evangelical Christian pastor,

01:22:16.940 and evangelicalism has been steeped in Zionism for 80 years,

01:22:20.340 that's my context.

01:22:21.440 So in my context, as an American in 2025 0.99

01:22:25.000 five and an evangelical pastor yeah i am going to talk about um israel sucks judaism sucks 1.00

01:22:33.320 and uh and we need to it's poison in in our in our body and we need to we need to be gagging 0.99

01:22:42.420 ourselves and trying to throw up the poison that we've swallowed for 80 years um or the country's

01:22:48.900 going to die the church is going to die we're in trouble yeah okay we're going to hit our next

01:22:53.200 commercial break when we come back we're going to wrap up with two different clips joel that are

01:22:57.740 going to put your statement just now to the test okay so i'm i'm excited to uh um to see your answer

01:23:04.840 to the here i'm gonna i'm gonna tease it so we get viewers that stick around okay uh when we come

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01:25:25.900 free bag of coffee today all right welcome back cosmic that's an interesting comment if you

01:25:33.060 have more information on that or you know if you think that would be an interesting

01:25:36.980 endeavor maybe email the show or maybe you know do it and let us know if you need help doing it

01:25:42.140 so yep um i know that channel i i occasionally watch um nerd roddick's takes on you know pop

01:25:47.820 culture so um all right so we are going to jump over to a different podcast we're going to wrap

01:25:53.860 up we're not going to be too too long um but this was recently on tucker carlson's show he had brett

01:25:59.060 Weinstein on who obviously is a Jew did you listen to that one yep yeah I mean though you know the

01:26:05.720 whole thing was him arguing for against the existence of God if you only lasted that long 0.75

01:26:10.640 you missed the best part because the second half was much more interesting I listened to the whole

01:26:14.660 thing okay I thought that the second half was better yeah so um so they're gonna get into there

01:26:20.540 was a lot of interesting stuff in there about Israel about Jewish reaction to um perceived

01:26:26.220 threats and what that does to the larger discussion about Israel. Brett, at one point,

01:26:32.840 I want to be fair to his argument, he said, look, I'm Jewish, but I'm American. I'm not Israeli.

01:26:38.380 I'm not really for Israel insofar as, like, I hope that they continue to exist as a country,

01:26:43.520 but I'm American. So he throws that out there. But he said something that I thought was really,

01:26:50.180 really fascinating, specifically regarding an issue that a lot of us care greatly about,

01:26:54.920 And that was the medical freedom movement that came out of COVID, where there was a whole band of doctors and researchers and medical professionals who lost their licenses.

01:27:06.980 They put their careers on the line.

01:27:08.480 They were censured and really banded together to form and actually to do the research of how to treat people who had been vaccine injured from the COVID vaccine.

01:27:19.000 Like we're really doing a lot of the stuff that the National Health Institute should have been doing.

01:27:23.160 They put a lot on the line.

01:27:25.380 And so he makes some interesting comments

01:27:27.500 about how the Israel question,

01:27:29.260 the question about how we ought to view Israel

01:27:31.220 is working itself through that movement.

01:27:35.580 Okay, so we're gonna listen to one clip

01:27:37.540 and then I'm just gonna, just for a break,

01:27:39.180 we'll come back, I'll say something in between

01:27:41.320 and then we'll listen to the second clip.

01:27:43.240 And then, Joel, I'm interested to get your take on this.

01:27:46.280 So this is clip number seven

01:27:48.380 and then we'll pretty quickly after that

01:27:50.200 go into clip number eight.

01:27:51.460 I agree completely.

01:27:54.060 Killing people for what their ancestors did? 0.99

01:27:56.500 I mean, that couldn't be more anti-Christian. 0.93

01:27:59.040 It couldn't be more unreasonable. 1.00

01:28:01.200 Everything about it, I despise.

01:28:03.000 I'm just fascinated by the dominance of this conversation

01:28:05.720 in American politics.

01:28:08.180 Like, what, I mean, part of it's real. 0.92

01:28:10.000 Like, we're moving toward war with Iran. 1.00

01:28:11.960 That's why, the only reason I'm involved in it 1.00

01:28:13.480 is because of that.

01:28:14.100 It's the only reason.

01:28:15.360 And so you kind of have to respond to it, right?

01:28:17.860 Unless you want your country to go to war yet again.

01:28:19.840 but it's more than that it's like who it does feel like this is being pushed on us like the

01:28:27.980 race stuff was pushed on us well okay let's am i being paranoid no i i like i said i think there's

01:28:36.900 some element of organized uh organized propaganda that pushes us in a direction

01:28:46.500 okay so they're talking about the the question and the conversation about israel and they're

01:28:52.460 speculating about how much how much of it is organic and tucker even floats the theory it's

01:28:57.720 just a theory that did pfizer inject some of this into the conversation to destroy the medical

01:29:04.600 freedom movement of which brent weinstein was on the front end of it okay so let's go to the next

01:29:10.040 clip now which is where they get into how this has affected the the medical freedom um movement that

01:29:18.120 that we thought was surging out of covet and now has really just dissipated i think in part the

01:29:23.320 reason that this issue seems to derange every conversation every coalition is that jews are 0.83

01:29:32.920 infused through all of the activities of civilization and you've got a

01:29:40.920 population that I'm hesitant to use a term like you know intergenerational

01:29:49.780 trauma but you've got a population that hands down the stories of programs and

01:29:55.420 persecution and the Holocaust because it's vital information you have to know

01:30:01.260 that that can happen and it can happen anywhere at any time. And so being of that mindset,

01:30:07.900 being raised to know that things can be very good and people can, you know,

01:30:12.540 there can be no hint of anti-Semitism as there wasn't in my life until quite late.

01:30:20.700 Things can be that way and then something can change. And what you thought were the realities

01:30:26.700 of, you know, who your friends are and what they're capable of would radically shift.

01:30:31.980 So you've got that population involved in governance, business, all of the essential

01:30:38.640 functions of civilization, and then the noises of an anti-Semitic wave start to rise.

01:30:49.000 That population recoils into this defensive posture, oh no, is it happening again?

01:30:55.760 Which then causes an attempt to drive out all nuances, is not the time to be asking

01:31:03.480 questions, that sort of thing.

01:31:05.320 Which then causes resentment in terms of all of the things you're not allowed to just even

01:31:09.940 ask, right?

01:31:10.940 As an American, I'm not allowed to ask questions about our support for a foreign government's

01:31:16.880 war.

01:31:18.380 You know, I mean, of course I'm allowed to talk about that, but yet somehow it feels

01:31:22.540 very dangerous to even raise the question.

01:31:25.220 So that pattern results, you know, how big a room can you assemble before you have both sides in that room unable to allow any nuance, right?

01:31:38.880 It's not a very big room.

01:31:40.020 So what happened to the medical freedom movement was just simply the events of October 7th caused people who didn't even necessarily know each other's positions on, you know, events in the Middle East, suddenly to be talking about them and to find each other un-understandable.

01:32:02.180 But how did that issue even, I mean, I don't even know all my kids' positions on the Middle East and they're my children and I talk to them every day.

01:32:09.860 It's like, it just doesn't occur to me to bring that up out of context.

01:32:13.940 Do you know what I mean?

01:32:14.580 Where are you on BB?

01:32:15.700 It's like, I don't care.

01:32:17.380 Like, how did that wind up in a discussion of what to do about the mRNA vaccine?

01:32:22.580 I just think that's, it seems completely unrelated.

01:32:25.880 It's madness.

01:32:28.300 Seems that way.

01:32:29.140 It seems to me that the right thing to do is to recognize we have a whole lot of common ground.

01:32:35.160 And then there's an issue on which we apparently don't.

01:32:38.100 And frankly, what a missed opportunity that a bunch of people who'd been through hell together fighting over, you know, their right to speak the truth about all things COVID, that group of people seems like they would have the tools to navigate other difficult issues.

01:32:54.220 But that's not what happened.

01:32:56.400 And that missed opportunity is a tragedy for humanity.

01:32:59.980 It means that we're not where we should be with respect to the devastation of COVID.

01:33:05.300 and we're also, you know, nowhere good with respect to our ability

01:33:11.460 to discuss the events in the Middle East.

01:33:15.840 All right, so in particular, that part at the end.

01:33:19.220 So the idea that the discussion about Israel got so heated

01:33:24.460 in this medical community that they were no longer able

01:33:28.680 to collaborate together on questions of what do we do.

01:33:32.700 about and to some degree there's been speculation about this with rfk right like he came in saying

01:33:40.140 he was going to be this great champion of medical freedom and that's kind of been

01:33:45.380 disappointing at this point i know we're only four months in three months into the administration

01:33:51.220 because in part i think what you're going to say is the israel situation that's correct

01:33:55.360 kind of derailed that's correct rfk also yes and so even in a seemingly unrelated field

01:34:02.180 which is vaccines and medicine and health,

01:34:06.080 Naha, make America healthy again,

01:34:08.220 even that seems to have people at the point

01:34:10.880 where they cannot work together or simply cannot work

01:34:13.640 because of either disagreement about Israel

01:34:16.580 or Israel's influence on it.

01:34:19.200 And Brett Weinstein seems to be making the claim

01:34:22.020 that at least part of it is just people being

01:34:25.480 so diametrically opposed to each other on that issue

01:34:29.920 that they can't then go back to work at the table

01:34:32.960 and work on medical freedom.

01:34:34.680 Yeah, it's different than other issues.

01:34:37.000 It really is.

01:34:38.440 So that doesn't surprise me

01:34:39.880 that it's like a make or break level issue

01:34:43.920 because there's lots of other things

01:34:46.220 where people can reach across the aisle

01:34:49.320 and link arms and be co-belligerents

01:34:52.980 on X and Y and Z

01:34:57.140 even though they disagree on a or b or c um but israel is not one of those things it's not and

01:35:05.620 i think part of it i i thought the most insightful part of that clip that was um i was not really

01:35:12.660 helpful for me because i i've been you know i think acutely aware of this for some time now but

01:35:18.420 just another confirmation for me was when Weinstein said,

01:35:23.700 he said, you know, people have been on edge.

01:35:27.640 He said, you know, like I never really experienced

01:35:29.640 anti-Semitism, you know, until recently, as of late.

01:35:33.500 And he said, but, you know, but every Jewish kid,

01:35:36.360 this is essentially what he was conveying.

01:35:38.320 Every Jewish kid, you know, is raised with, you know,

01:35:40.880 parents or grandparents having the talk.

01:35:42.920 Exactly, having the talk that you're very, very special

01:35:47.400 and and you know and there's a very you know lots of people have uh arguments and lots of people

01:35:55.300 uh end up you know this nation hates that nation and this family doesn't like that family and

01:36:00.840 like there's you know human conflict is tale as old as time it goes all the way back to genesis 0.98

01:36:05.740 three and so everybody has problems everybody has conflict but you little jew little jewish boy

01:36:12.340 little jewish girl um you are very special and the conflicts that you have are also very special

01:36:18.060 conflicts and everybody has people that hate them i have a million people that hate me i get

01:36:23.140 slandered all the time i mean there's a well-known reformed minister who just stepped down from

01:36:29.140 eldership today for slandering people and personally emailed me because i'm one of the

01:36:33.840 people that he slain for two years and dragging out things and so i i know what it is to be hated

01:36:41.680 But nobody ever told me as a little boy that when people hate me, it's a special magical

01:36:47.180 hatred because no one ever told me growing up that I'm a special magical person.

01:36:53.760 I never grew up thinking, you know, there's different peoples and different races and

01:36:59.180 different nationalities, but there's one magical nationality, one magical race of people.

01:37:05.540 And you belong to that.

01:37:06.740 And everybody has conflicts and everybody at times is persecuted.

01:37:10.220 but when you're persecuted and when you experience conflict it's a magical special conflict and

01:37:16.760 hatred and so so he's you know he's talking about you know every every little jewish boy and jewish

01:37:21.960 girl has the talk and what is the talk the talk is that terrible terrible things were done to you

01:37:27.080 and at any moment it could happen again like i i just like just for a moment and i'll get to your

01:37:33.940 overarching question but i just wonder like does every young german boy and german girl have that

01:37:39.580 talk like with the millions of germans that were raped yeah millions of germans that were murdered

01:37:46.240 on on the back end of world war ii finding germans in in other countries all over the world and just 0.75

01:37:52.160 because they spoke german they were rounded up in firing squads would put mobs of germans and

01:37:58.280 mow them down women children all of them i mean millions um i just wonder does does every little

01:38:05.540 german but in germany do do little german boys and little german girls do they grow up they kind 0.73

01:38:10.280 of do they get the talk don't be assertive don't be you know so they get the talk they do get a

01:38:15.120 kind of talk that's right but they get it in the opposite direction you're right the german people

01:38:19.020 have been incredibly disenfranchised and they have just as much persecution in their background

01:38:26.840 in their heritage as um as israel if i don't want to get into it because it'll get derailed

01:38:33.940 there's an argument to be made of more and less and do you mean all the way over time or

01:38:40.000 specifically around like the 1900s i mean around the same time yeah so i think his point is the

01:38:45.540 pogroms go back into like the 1300s the 1200s the you know they go back pretty much from the

01:38:51.400 beginning yeah 109 countries yeah that they've been persecuted in yeah i always wonder why

01:38:58.720 109 countries it's a lot of places to get kicked out of wes made an insightful comment i don't know

01:39:05.380 if you heard it and it was months ago he said sometimes they got kicked out because the country

01:39:10.460 owed them money and didn't want to pay and they were convenient yeah i believe that i'm gonna i'm

01:39:14.980 gonna say there were probably some of those yeah that were maybe i'm sure some were unjust that's

01:39:20.400 a lot that's that's the point 109 is is the reason why that number i think matters is um not because

01:39:27.480 it's 109 with no discrepancies and that there wasn't any injustice that has ever been done

01:39:32.060 the point i think when people say 109 that's kind of a lot like i just did is to say that um

01:39:37.540 injustices do take place but it's somewhat rare for 109 injustices to take place and not one of

01:39:45.200 them be valid right that's i think that's the point but anyways um for him you know so so that

01:39:50.380 clip with him and tucker brett and tucker um to say you know like every every jew has had the talk

01:39:57.080 um i think that right there that's part of the problem is so like the pump has already been

01:40:04.280 primed to where now like um because because just like we we can have conversations that we can like

01:40:12.400 when when people talk about um well here are some of the historic grievances against um anglos

01:40:20.540 you know or against germans or against you know the the french you know like i like i don't know

01:40:28.120 any any but i've never been in that conversation i'm 38 years old never once in my life if i had

01:40:33.840 a conversation with someone of french descent or english descent or german descent and been

01:40:38.660 talking to them and talked about some kind of event that happened that was unjust you know

01:40:42.880 and that blah blah blah and not just hundreds of you but you know in in the last century and

01:40:47.660 and them just, you know, flip a table and get up

01:40:50.440 and like, you know, steaming angry and, you know,

01:40:54.880 and like, and I'm going to defrock you

01:40:57.780 and I'm going to make sure that you, like, 1.00

01:41:01.180 I just, I don't know anyone like that except for Jews. 1.00

01:41:06.480 That's the only, I don't know anything like that. 1.00

01:41:08.980 It is a modern phenomenon.

01:41:11.100 I don't know, I don't.

01:41:13.000 I think the black community has some of that a little bit. 1.00

01:41:15.880 and and what it is is in kind of an in um an inculcated victim mentality that like it 0.99

01:41:25.280 there's many things that preclude integration and working together and joining but that's one

01:41:32.000 of them and once that's built into your perspective as a people like the it is you're never really

01:41:39.020 gonna fully embrace this was the problem with um crt and the church we were saying you have to be

01:41:45.240 spiritual brothers with a black man as a white man but also you have to understand that he can 0.54

01:41:51.180 never ever trust you yeah it was just crazy so so when that's built in there it will never work 0.92

01:41:56.860 ever never gonna work yep yeah you're right yeah no that's fair to say yeah uh the black community 0.53

01:42:02.120 has i mean that's kind of what 2020 and 2021 were all about uh summer of george floyd and

01:42:08.840 mostly peaceful riots so that that's fair um so all all that being said um i think that like so

01:42:17.480 what brett is saying that it's it's this jewish question and and the controversy and the different

01:42:24.460 you know debating sides over israel and um that it's that it's derailed and and like and and

01:42:34.020 hindered important work where guys have been co-belligerents on other issues like like covet

01:42:39.680 you know and all of a sudden can't even work together it doesn't surprise me that doesn't

01:42:45.040 surprise me um and and i think a big part of it is because you're talking about like the most

01:42:52.420 the most propaganda that like there's ever ever been on both sides like all across the board

01:42:59.640 everywhere to where it's um like you you like there's there's there are plenty of times where

01:43:07.860 things could get heated sure humans are are sinners and we have sinful tendencies but

01:43:13.360 where you could critique this person or this family or this country or this or this set of

01:43:20.400 propositions or ideology or whatever um but with with israel it very quickly devolves to 0.55

01:43:28.900 um you want to kill me right um or this is just going to be another holocaust or it's like no i 0.87

01:43:37.980 just don't want bibi to do his laundry at the white house yes um i i want to keep um american 0.98

01:43:44.860 tax dollars for the taxpayer yeah um i don't want to fight your wars for you i don't want

01:43:51.200 our country to uh to enter into world war three um and and i'd like to get you know schofield 0.65

01:43:59.580 bibles off the shelf yeah like that's it's pretty much it like i if israel continues to exist as a

01:44:06.180 nation great yeah i don't want to go to war with israel yeah i don't want to hurt them i don't

01:44:11.340 want to harm them. But I want them to leave us alone. I want to sever the ties. I don't want

01:44:19.840 Israeli influence in my nation, in my government. I don't want Judeo influence in our churches 1.00

01:44:29.360 and our theology. And I will go one step further because I am a Christian nationalist and I've

01:44:35.720 said it publicly before i also i don't want uh jews and and i mean by that uh religiously 1.00

01:44:43.160 practicing jews in our country who are citizens they can maintain citizenship but i do not want 0.99

01:44:50.120 them to hold public office right in the same way that i also don't want muslims religiously 0.99

01:44:55.060 practicing muslims um to hold um office in uh in america civil office so that's that's about it i

01:45:02.380 don't want to hurt anybody i don't want some final solution or anything like that but it immediately

01:45:06.500 goes there immediately goes there does and and i don't think i mean yeah there's some unhinged guys

01:45:13.280 out there in the interwebs and i i've seen them i'm not going to pretend they don't exist but for

01:45:19.660 the most part i mean it's pretty few and far between for the most part as i'm looking at this

01:45:25.340 dangerous rise of anti-semitism i i really think for the most part it it um it's 90 of it has

01:45:34.520 simply just been people criticizing israel right and mere criticisms of israel um and immediately

01:45:43.180 being labeled as somehow um anti-semitic and and hateful and and genocidal or and it's like

01:45:53.940 what in the world so i just i think to that clip with brett weinstein to be fair to brett i don't

01:45:59.760 think he's in favor of how israel is handling the hamas war like i think that's good because he said

01:46:05.120 that he just people when they talk to him they assume that he's on israel's side and he didn't

01:46:10.060 come one way or another but he moved immediately to there's a lot of people in israel who are

01:46:13.860 really upset with the official israeli government they think that's what's going on in palestine

01:46:18.020 is an atrocity and he he seemed to lay his sympathies there what pained him at one point

01:46:23.340 in the interview was that he can't even talk to people because as soon as the conversation comes

01:46:28.080 up all they want to know is what is your position and immediately i can work with you or i can't

01:46:33.640 right yep yeah i i don't know it's i i think it's not going away like you and i have talked about

01:46:41.580 this michael for a while and it's not going away i think it is like the issue of our time i'd like

01:46:50.320 it to you know i'd like it to kind of wrap up you know eventually but what i would like it to be i

01:46:55.500 don't think it's going to go away either i would like it to and i i hear you i'm not i'm i'm not

01:47:01.720 saying it's we're there but i would like it to be an issue that can be one that does not mean

01:47:09.320 immediately cutting ties i would like to be able to be co-belligerents yeah or people in the medical

01:47:14.900 industry to be able to work together and maintain different views on this issue i'd rather our

01:47:19.380 issue win right and win quickly and win decisively or our our point our perspective win decisively

01:47:26.740 but in the meantime like i don't know maybe it is that fundamental of an issue and joel i think

01:47:33.640 you think it is it's a tier one issue triage wise but to me the fact that we can't now establish

01:47:38.980 medical policy because of this issue like there's a part of me that gets angry too i told you in the

01:47:43.960 break i was like even that so if that's the case then even that is zionism or favor with israel

01:47:54.420 getting to determine even who i get to be mad at right like like it's like you don't get to tell me

01:48:01.760 which people in my country i'm gonna um draw a line with and disagree with right but but this

01:48:08.980 issue is so deep that it even descends or or penetrates to that level where we don't even

01:48:15.940 get to logically make our own ideological enemies in this country we have to be told by an outside

01:48:21.800 agent who our ideological enemies have to be within our own country and even that makes me mad

01:48:28.860 yeah yeah i get that um i get it i i don't know i i think i could be wrong but i i think a lot of

01:48:36.780 but it's just on this issue,

01:48:39.680 part of the reason why there's so much distrust

01:48:42.440 is because you're talking about,

01:48:51.500 you're talking about back to what we were saying earlier,

01:48:55.360 natural affections and where someone's allegiance

01:48:57.260 actually lies.

01:48:59.780 Because on this issue, it's like,

01:49:02.600 i mean like how many americans you know love israel more than america right

01:49:09.620 like if we were to pick any country in the world that americans would love above their own country

01:49:17.620 it would have to the number one would have to be israel oh yeah hands down by a landslide

01:49:21.840 so you're you're talking about maybe mexico we have a lot of yeah mexican immigrants yeah but

01:49:27.980 but so my my point is that like you're talking about loyalties you're talking about um it gets

01:49:36.200 it just gets quickly right to the heart of trust right like whose side are you on can i trust you

01:49:43.760 and then for you know the the pro israel side it's like um well you know like i mean they've

01:49:52.520 watched schindler's list you know 4 000 times you know or six million times you know and and so

01:49:58.720 they're like well i can't trust you because you killed my my grandma and you're gonna kill me too

01:50:05.120 and and so like on one side it's it like i mean even brett who i'll give give you credit i like

01:50:11.880 give him credit and i appreciate you sharing this clip michael because it's um i think he's one of

01:50:17.080 better guys to use right like he he's pretty even keel down to earth level-headed not hyperbolic

01:50:25.240 not overly emotional but even for him like that language yep it's pretty yep pretty intense 0.82

01:50:32.700 language of you know every jewish child gets the talk that uh at any moment things could look good

01:50:38.960 but anti-semitism can rise in an instant and the holocaust could happen again any day right tomorrow

01:50:45.640 could be the day right you know maybe it's a year from now maybe it's maybe it's a decade but um

01:50:51.680 the holocaust for sure happened um the math for sure checks out the ovens you know it it all

01:50:59.800 worked it is exactly six million um probably more but definitely no less and uh it definitely 0.86

01:51:07.320 happened exactly like you've been told and it could happen again tomorrow probably next week

01:51:14.480 i mean the jew thinks of of the future impending holocaust the way the dispensationalist thinks 0.71

01:51:22.640 about a rapture the rapture that's right like honestly you know what joel that's actually a 0.60

01:51:27.620 good point because like the jewish religion talmudic jews judaism teaches that it's the 0.61

01:51:33.240 suffering of the jew that purifies the world right like isaiah 53 and so in a sense actually i think

01:51:37.960 you're you're very right about that observation it is even a theological um position even you

01:51:46.360 know that works itself into even all the atheistic jews and things like that so so everybody everybody

01:51:51.540 can make themselves a victim nobody has a monopoly on that everybody can do that um but i do think

01:51:59.180 that um that that within for for israel i i do think that that victim mentality runs deep

01:52:10.780 really really deep like you said well the black community you know they can do it too and yeah

01:52:16.940 that's true but but even that for for the black community i think is somewhat novel

01:52:23.660 somewhat new um i don't think they necessarily have generations of that like like 2020 and 2021

01:52:32.340 was victimhood for for black people kind of at a fever pitch um you saw some of that you know in 0.73

01:52:41.460 the 60s with the civil rights rosa parks who was a plant she was she was a marxist plant you know

01:52:47.380 martin luther king was a marxist plant um but but other than that like before civil rights and

01:52:53.860 welfare and those things the average black people like black person was not going around in america

01:52:59.080 viewing themselves as a victim they weren't viewing themselves they were doing pretty well i think that

01:53:03.360 they were aware that there could be violence towards them like if one of them was accused of 1.00

01:53:11.580 yeah that's true you know just be careful don't you know don't walk down the street with a white 0.62

01:53:15.920 lady that's probably accused of you know that sort of thing and that's probably true there's

01:53:20.400 a difference though between that and the victim mentality right yeah yeah yeah so i don't i don't

01:53:27.740 know i just i just think that if on one side it's just the stakes are as high as it could possibly

01:53:35.540 be on one side you have the anti-zionist that's how i you know i'd be in that category who feels

01:53:43.120 like Christian faith itself has been not entirely

01:53:51.820 but significantly poisoned and hijacked

01:53:55.820 down to our doctrine, our theology, our churches. 0.98

01:53:59.920 So the Christian faith has been infused 1.00

01:54:04.600 with the poison of Judaism. 0.95

01:54:06.640 and our nation um the the has been infected by by foreign interests right with multiple nations but

01:54:20.540 but israel having the strongest hand on our nation and so at a political level as as a patriot who

01:54:29.220 cares about america first as a christian so on one side you it's like the stakes couldn't be

01:54:34.940 any higher you you see it as like israel um derailed historic christianity right in many ways

01:54:42.660 and um and is constantly uh influencing our country and its politics and on the other side 0.96

01:54:53.420 they're uh like their position is um tomorrow you know six million jews 80 years ago and 60

01:55:02.900 million tomorrow it's just a matter of time and anti-semitism you know like every every group has

01:55:09.940 people that hate them but ours is special we have a special name for it and everything you know

01:55:15.080 there's it's not just racism you know we're we're more important than that we have a special word

01:55:20.440 anti-semitism and it can happen at any moment and if it does happen um it it's a life and death

01:55:28.340 issue and it could literally drop of a hat and um and so i just think like if if those are the two

01:55:34.440 positions one is you subverted my faith and my country and the other is tomorrow you might kill

01:55:44.660 me but a lot of the doctors are not even christian right a lot of the what the people in the medical

01:55:50.600 freedom community are not going to be seeing the stakes in that like they might not have the

01:55:55.900 religious tone to it they wouldn't have yeah no they they wouldn't be probably nearly as as

01:56:02.040 concerned as i am about like the scofield aspect and darby and dispensationalism and yes you're

01:56:08.920 right so for them it would just be but the point still stands you're influencing my country well

01:56:13.280 i okay so to the doctor question what brett's talking about in in his field it's probably just

01:56:19.220 one side it's probably actually just you're being anti it's probably just the the zionist sides and

01:56:25.160 you're being anti-semitic and you're threatening my way of life and and and you're making me not

01:56:29.800 feel safe and i can't work with the counter to that is probably not what we are it's probably

01:56:33.520 pro-palestinian right yeah for me yeah it's pro-american yeah and pro-christ right it's

01:56:41.380 christ is king right but that's you know that it's not um it's not uh hamas hamas that's my guy you

01:56:48.340 like no um but but for a lot that is what you know it's it's um yeah that's for some for many

01:56:57.600 it's not pro-hammas it's pro-palestine that's correct yes it's they just feel like this this

01:57:03.140 isn't yeah this is i mean you talk about genocide it's like well you know they tried to wipe us all

01:57:09.120 out it's like you're literally wiping people out right now you're like you're wiping out

01:57:15.480 an entire area of like two million people uh so anyway it's just it's just super super high stakes

01:57:23.640 and i don't i don't know what the solution is um i feel like honestly the best solution i can

01:57:30.620 come up with was so many of these foreign affairs and global is um everybody go back where you came

01:57:38.840 from and mind your own business yeah like i like i don't think we have to destroy israel right i

01:57:45.560 don't um but it's like but if we can't get along like we might just need a reset like we might just

01:57:53.000 need um hey you know what um sorry you know but but tensions are at an all-time high trust is at

01:58:03.860 an all-time low and um and yeah so we're breaking ties right now and we're no longer going to be

01:58:11.080 doing israel's bidding and um and if you really are pro-america america over israel right not just

01:58:18.840 i'm yeah i want america to do well you know but like right no like america first above israel

01:58:24.920 then great um but if not then um you need to go home right for the foreseeable future you need

01:58:31.680 to go home we wish you well and uh i i honestly don't think i don't think there's any other

01:58:38.700 solution i don't i mean there are other more inhumane solutions but like i don't think we're 0.94

01:58:43.340 going to fix it any other way and all the like the pietistic pastors saying well preach the gospel 0.62

01:58:48.020 even harder like nations are god's idea right like they all these guys all these all these

01:58:56.380 gospel you know preach the gospel guys i love the gospel i preached the gospel for i wasn't

01:59:02.820 supposed to but i preached it for an hour yesterday and so we ended up with two sermons

01:59:06.080 i wasn't i was doing the liturgy i wasn't supposed to be preaching and so i love the gospel um but

01:59:12.360 in terms of like global affairs in terms of global affairs um like all the gospel guys are so excited

01:59:21.180 about revelation where it says you know every tribe tongue and nation uh the only way you have

01:59:26.680 diversity in heaven yep on at the end is by maintaining distinctions uh in the meantime yeah

01:59:34.540 if if we just get rid of you know everybody just migrates everywhere and intermarries and you know 0.96

01:59:42.200 it all and it just becomes one big you know brown soup you know everybody like no more black people 0.96

01:59:48.340 no more white people just everybody's just kind of the same shade of brown and everybody speaks 0.90

01:59:52.980 one language and every you know like then you don't have every tribe tongue and nation right

01:59:58.680 like the whole idea of diversity in heaven is it only happens because diversity is maintained on

02:00:07.480 earth and diversity being maintained on earth is is not actually ironically it's not getting

02:00:13.460 all these different types of people in one nation but it's actually maintaining the distinctions and

02:00:19.380 keeping all these nations separate and that does not necessitate hate or animus so when i say the

02:00:26.660 nations should be separate i don't mean that the nations have to be at war right but they do have

02:00:31.660 to be distinct or that they can't have allies and partners right and like but right now like

02:00:36.700 yeah i just think race relations not doing so hot right now i social trust not not so great

02:00:45.120 um people's view towards jews not great um i i yeah it's just all across the board and i think

02:00:55.760 it's because the chickens have come home to roost i think we did this we did this and to just to just

02:01:01.840 try to say well this is because of immature anti-semites or you know white ethnic nationalists

02:01:09.400 you know and their anonymous account like no this is way bigger than the the anons on twitter this 0.50

02:01:16.640 is way this is um 80 years of of intentional eroding of native populations deracinating

02:01:27.160 disenfranchising a globalist one world globalist order tower of babel 2.0 um apostasy towards

02:01:39.520 christ uh this is um this has been a long time coming and now i think it's just this is what

02:01:48.100 you get these there are consequences to sin and these are the consequences are we we have zero

02:01:54.940 social trust right you can't put you know you can't have your chickens and your fresh laid eggs

02:02:00.280 and put them in the front yard and say you know five dollars for a dozen and just trust like

02:02:04.120 right i mean maybe if you're in a gated community you know or very very very remote right but but 0.58

02:02:11.520 in most cases it's like we don't we don't have a high trust society we got little white boys

02:02:16.160 getting their skulls bashed in on the playground you know like and every time it happens the

02:02:21.140 parents are like we forgive and uh and you know nothing bad really happened and it's probably my

02:02:27.480 son's fault you know like i i you can't this is not sustainable and i think that we're in a

02:02:35.280 situation where there are no easy or great or perfect there's this is not like we don't live

02:02:40.280 in a movie right one of the dangers about movies is that solutions happen within two hours right

02:02:48.700 You get a problem, you get stuck in a big problem,

02:02:50.440 and then there's a solution.

02:02:51.520 And by the end of two hours, it's done.

02:02:53.340 And we get to the point where we expect life to be that way.

02:02:55.960 And that's not always how life works.

02:02:58.520 I think maybe my last comment here will be,

02:03:02.460 if we had leaders who were talking about this and saying,

02:03:05.640 we're not sure what to do, but we see the problem.

02:03:09.020 This has happened, and we're going to have

02:03:13.300 at least public discussion about it.

02:03:15.540 We're going to admit that this is a problem.

02:03:16.940 We're going to admit that we've done it.

02:03:18.700 um in that case like trump's the closest one who could do that because he's an outsider

02:03:23.740 right he could he could he could point some fingers without necessarily them pointing back

02:03:27.880 at him right but he you know he's not even he is not doing that and so all it does is it

02:03:32.720 it it raises the temperature of the population because they think um not only is no one doing

02:03:39.360 anything but they don't care they're all complicit and even even just saying look we don't know what

02:03:44.700 the solution is but we're going to start talking about it would help but i don't see that even

02:03:48.780 necessarily happening or well that's why people listen to podcasts like ours right yeah i i really

02:03:55.080 don't i don't know i mean you stop immigration like there are there are ways we've talked about

02:04:03.120 it a ton but you know people all your christians are

02:04:07.020 weak weak christianity's weak not historic true christianity but modern christianity it's it's so 0.57

02:04:18.700 compromised so the christians they're like for them they're like we need hearts for revival 0.56

02:04:25.100 you know and then so many politicians they're corrupt and bought and paid for and and then

02:04:33.740 you know you've got all these different factions and groups that are all turned against each other

02:04:39.460 and it's like i mean i think there are solutions but it takes um it takes not just hearts for

02:04:46.580 revival but stomachs yeah it's like i think of you know we preached through ezra a while back

02:04:51.740 at our church and one of the like profound moments is where um ezra the priest he comes

02:05:01.200 you know and nehemiah's kind of already been at work and different you know um zerubbabel and

02:05:06.680 like different political leaders have been at work for a while but now the priest comes and he dust

02:05:10.740 off you know the law of the lord begins to read it to the people and says you know like yeah we

02:05:15.300 we're doing this reconstruction project right israel was once great just like america was once

02:05:20.540 great and we need to make it great again make israel great again you know in their case make

02:05:25.040 america great and like go back to our founding rebuild the temple and the walls in jerusalem

02:05:29.040 and do all these things.

02:05:30.620 But as we do it, we have to be faithful to the Lord.

02:05:35.620 Otherwise, it'll all lead right back here.

02:05:40.160 This is why we were kicked out of the land in the first place.

02:05:42.480 This is why we lost our great heritage.

02:05:44.940 And so he begins to read to them the law of the Lord.

02:05:46.880 And he said, like, it's not enough to just rebuild the temple

02:05:49.660 and the walls and rebuild the city,

02:05:51.060 but we also have to purge ourselves

02:05:56.460 of every ounce of unfaithfulness and corruption.

02:06:01.780 And so then he reads the law of the Lord

02:06:03.280 and he says, all right, and here are some practical things.

02:06:06.880 Well, one of the things we're going to have to do

02:06:09.700 is you guys are going to have to send away 1.00

02:06:12.180 your own wives and children. 1.00

02:06:13.880 Your pagan wives, your foreign wives. 0.87

02:06:15.580 They had married foreigners who worshiped foreign gods 0.97

02:06:18.660 and had and they had to send away their wives and children entire families right are severed

02:06:26.620 and broken apart and and what i'm saying is i'm i'm saying that um if you want to rebuild the ruins

02:06:35.720 it comes at a cost it's not just oh hearts for revival no like when you when you've been off

02:06:44.740 the rails for 80 years just like israel had been in captivity for 70 years in babylon like when

02:06:52.860 you've been off the rails for a very long time you've been rebelling against god for a very long

02:06:57.660 time then to actually get recalibrated um is costly right and and it's not just uh i need a

02:07:08.300 heart for jesus you know and jesus is my boyfriend worship songs you know and and get a little

02:07:14.420 teary-eyed misty-eyed you know and um no it's like it's like big it's big life-altering types

02:07:22.860 of decisions it's cutting things out of your life that you love that you love but because

02:07:30.420 it's it's sin it's unbiblical and so like for a nation like ours like honestly a nation like ours 0.96

02:07:40.000 we are we are ruined on multiple levels we're ruined because a bunch of heritage americans 0.73

02:07:48.720 right so it's not just the foreigners but a bunch of heritage americans have apostatized against the 0.92

02:07:54.700 lord jesus christ and abandoned their first love and we can't ever forget that joe biden is as white 0.99

02:08:00.620 as you can be that's right and he sucks yep and as far as we know he's not jewish either no and 0.99

02:08:06.260 he still really sucks so white non-jewish guy absolutely devastating the country yep some of 0.99

02:08:13.760 the worst policies we've ever had so it's you know so at every level even your heritage americans 0.99

02:08:20.200 have turned their backs against the lord jesus christ and must repent beyond that though

02:08:25.360 practically like we we want to make america great again i look at like god's plan for making israel

02:08:32.800 great again and it looked like mass deportations and i don't think we have the stomach for it i

02:08:39.240 really i really don't a hundred million i'm going to just say that number i think a hundred million

02:08:44.420 people if you're serious and you want your country back 40 30 to 40 million just in the last four

02:08:50.640 years i say a hundred million uh that representing i would say probably back to um just just the

02:08:58.660 2000s, basically. 2000s,

02:09:00.740 maybe getting into the 90s.

02:09:03.220 We're not going to do that.

02:09:04.520 But Joel, we're also not going to get the country back

02:09:06.720 that we had 200 years ago.

02:09:09.260 Something new

02:09:10.660 is going to be built. That's true.

02:09:12.840 We don't need the country from 200 years ago.

02:09:14.460 Well, from 100 years ago, even.

02:09:18.020 I mean,

02:09:18.540 number one, the world is just... When I say 100 million, I'm thinking

02:09:20.540 20 to 30 years.

02:09:22.400 Yeah, okay, fair enough. That's how many people.

02:09:25.020 Think about that. No country

02:09:26.540 can sustain that.

02:09:27.760 with 330 330 to 350 million total population we took in 40 in the last four years right over 10

02:09:36.160 percent of your nation's population in less than half of a decade right that is incredible like

02:09:42.940 that like there's no way any nation can survive that and so when i say 100 million i'm not saying

02:09:49.560 to go back a hundred years i'm i'm just that number for me represents um every every first

02:09:58.980 generation immigrant who's who's not so i'm not even saying like i'm to me that's a really moderate

02:10:07.600 milquetoast position like i'm not saying i think that i think saying it that way is a little bit

02:10:12.000 easier yeah i you know i don't like number one 100 million people that shocks people it does

02:10:16.700 shock people um and maybe that does need to shock people yeah but i think saying like first

02:10:21.460 generation americans tend to be presented with you cleave to america or america is not the place for

02:10:28.320 you yeah yeah and and cleaving to america needs to be it needs to be biblical cleaving clearly

02:10:35.180 outlined what does that mean yes because i think a lot of them will not want to do that and you

02:10:40.380 know right honestly like maybe you shouldn't want to do that you probably are still more attached

02:10:44.400 to your your country your nation of origin yeah yeah so i yeah i think some kind of um

02:10:51.320 not allowing dual citizenship for a while i might be honestly i don't know why we do that at all

02:10:58.220 i know yeah like i'm just trying to think about like me and you are sitting here me and you are

02:11:02.660 we're moderates michael like so me and you are sitting here like some of our followers are like 0.68

02:11:07.160 gay you know they're listening right now they're like we need west back in michael and joy they're 0.78

02:11:13.360 getting a little bit lib but like um but but we're we're sitting here thinking like what are the 0.75

02:11:18.560 humane options what are the non-trail of tears options you know like and so i'm thinking you

02:11:25.300 know so i naturally i think of in terms of first options i'm thinking self-deportation like so um

02:11:31.980 how many people i don't know like like would shapiro stay if he couldn't if he couldn't have

02:11:37.720 dual citizenship yeah i don't know that would be interesting i mean he has said i think he loves

02:11:41.660 america yep insofar as it can serve israel but he is like he i think he does love america at some

02:11:48.280 level but he has by his own admission he has said like part of his his the way he views his calling

02:11:55.220 and his purpose here in america um is to to um to influence conservatives in america in a pro-israel

02:12:04.460 direction right because that's his people yeah yeah at the end of the day it's like those are

02:12:09.620 my people i don't think anyone should be here if like that's how i would answer the question is

02:12:15.040 anyone here in america who when they think um which people are your greatest devotion to

02:12:24.060 political who are your people yes like you know and and that being tier there's there's number

02:12:29.740 one number two anybody who who's number one is some people other than america yeah shouldn't be

02:12:35.180 here yeah they just shouldn't be here like for me i have nowhere to go right i have nowhere else to

02:12:41.040 go right and that's the thing like a lot of these people is like oh well that's rude or that's no

02:12:45.200 a lot of these people they actually do have places to go right right they really do they can go live

02:12:50.840 in israel yeah you know or they can go live in brazil or they can go live in south korea or they

02:12:56.920 can go like they actually do have places to go yeah um you and me don't have anywhere to go

02:13:01.920 right this the this this is our country right this is the only one we got yep and so i so yeah

02:13:08.240 so i'm not trying to be bombastic i'm really not i feel like i'm pretty tame in this episode 0.94

02:13:14.500 but i think like doing whatever we can to help self-deport 100 million so the illegal immigrants

02:13:21.920 you round them right yes and you get them out but but it's more here's the thing that i'm just

02:13:26.560 trying to help christians especially understand without without it's like guys i'm not being

02:13:33.860 i'm not being hateful towards towards different races or colors or or national like but you as 0.98

02:13:40.620 christians you have to see uh we need to get every illegal out of the country but beyond that 0.99

02:13:46.160 it's that's still not enough well it's not it's like when we say we love women by wanting to 0.92

02:13:53.900 destroy feminism yes because we want them to do what god has created them especially and uniquely

02:13:59.820 to do and unless they're like again the caveat that we made earlier there sometimes are legitimate 0.98

02:14:05.760 reasons for people to be displaced right got it but apart from that like people should be with

02:14:11.880 their people yes it is like that it's just better right and we're not going to be you know so i

02:14:20.380 don't know we understand that we live in a time in history where there's a lot of movement there's a

02:14:26.700 lot of trade like there just are some reality we're not shutting down all global travel right

02:14:31.600 like that is going to happen but the ideal and the goal and the aim is you should love your people

02:14:38.420 first of all and you should be with your people right right you should love your people and you

02:14:44.040 should be with your people yeah i agree as a as a as a general rule yeah and because we've gone so

02:14:49.000 far away from that when you move away from something you have to correct you have to correct

02:14:53.660 back and sometimes a little bit further yeah and i yeah so that that's the prescription um the

02:15:02.280 prediction is i don't i don't think it's gonna i don't think so either i don't think it's gonna

02:15:06.520 happen i think we're done like on honestly like i um and people are like well i thought you were

02:15:11.460 post-millennial i am post-millennial i think the church will win um christ will win not despite

02:15:18.720 a puny weak losing bride but christ will win through his church gradually through human history

02:15:26.580 um but america um and i'm not saying the country will end tomorrow or anything but i i think

02:15:33.280 something called america will continue well like rome did for a long time yeah i yeah i think it'll

02:15:38.080 still you know the united states of america but but um but no i i think it's um it's too late and

02:15:44.040 we don't have the will. It's not too late if we have the will, but we don't. The will requires

02:15:50.700 a hundred million, a hundred million have to go. They don't have to be hurt. They don't have to be

02:15:56.380 harmed. But, but they politely, respectfully, they have, they have to go. And, and we're not

02:16:04.300 going to do that. We, we, and I hope, I hope for future generations, for my great, great

02:16:10.800 grandchildren i hope that books are written and i hope that people remember this and that it's

02:16:15.400 clear because so many things are lost to antiquity you know but i hope it's clear and people remember

02:16:20.700 america was once a powerful christian nation and it was destroyed because they didn't want to be

02:16:28.640 called racist that's right i want people to know that that is the truth how did it happen how did

02:16:34.180 the superpower of the world lose all of its strength i want people to know um in the end 0.87

02:16:42.780 the greatest nation in human history collapsed because boomers didn't want to be called racist

02:16:51.760 that's a major part of it you know it's a major part of it that's not to say that like there's 0.91

02:16:59.640 no other element but that like we we had a country we had a country and we could have kept it and we

02:17:06.080 said nope a hundred million from the four corners of the earth you don't speak english great come on

02:17:12.860 in you hate america you hate it come on in um you're beholden to israel and not come on in get

02:17:21.300 in here we can't wait for you to come here get in here a million there a million there a million a

02:17:27.520 milli a milli a milli a milli milli you know like just and we did it like in and we did it fast in

02:17:32.740 like 30 40 years 100 million people and um you just you you do that and there's only one way out

02:17:41.220 and it's a iron stomach it's it's uh it's it's like like grit and we don't have it we don't have

02:17:49.440 grit so i think we're done um i really do as a country not the church of jesus christ but i

02:17:55.440 i think we're done that said um we have so many so much um so much that we've accrued over time

02:18:02.860 because of the blessings of god and faithfulness long past at this point but but faithfulness that

02:18:08.340 used to be there and accruing blessings i think we can coast for a while so i don't think anything's

02:18:12.520 happening tomorrow but i think we're done i'm hopeful though i i think eventually what we'll

02:18:16.820 probably get is um succession i think i think america will be broken up we'll probably get

02:18:22.440 five or six different countries out of it somewhat like europe yeah i mean it's just a massive land

02:18:27.000 mass to just be one country and to stay united for a millennium is kind of a tall task honestly

02:18:33.560 it's kind of like wishful thinking to begin with yeah that a country this size not just

02:18:38.920 population people but geographically yeah so i think um i think we're on the decline

02:18:45.400 i think we probably eventually break up into uh smaller countries and i think a couple of those

02:18:54.600 one or two of those um by by the grace of god and because of his kindness and like i will have

02:19:01.240 an opportunity to be um distinctly christian great countries and do awesome things um for

02:19:08.140 the glory of god in the future so i'm not like i'm not blackmailing i'm not i'm not discouraged 0.93

02:19:12.120 But I just think, I just can't look the audience in the face and say that these United States, as they currently are, with 100 foreigners in the last 30, 40 years, and even the heritage Americans, full apostasy towards the Lord Jesus Christ. 0.96

02:19:30.600 And hating our country, too. 0.99

02:19:32.360 And hating our country, and murdering 70 million babies just in the last half century.

02:19:38.580 But yeah, we're going to pull out of this nosedive.

02:19:41.780 we're gonna we're gonna make it guys we're gonna be fine i just feel like that's that's a joke and

02:19:48.300 i just i don't know at a certain point i just get tired of the joking like this is just no there's

02:19:53.960 just no way any any final thoughts for you michael um succession though could work could work

02:20:01.760 that's actually i mean you know i'm not saying texas is the christian mecca we've got our

02:20:06.360 problems one of the reasons we moved to texas is in its constitution it preserved the right to

02:20:11.860 secede now that would have to obviously be the south thought it could secede too right but uh

02:20:15.960 it's at least on the document right yeah and i think i think you could actually have

02:20:21.640 hopefully it wouldn't just be texas no i agree texas oklahoma louisiana you know alabama you

02:20:28.280 know and and going through florida so you have like so you have the whole gulf of america gulf

02:20:33.820 of texas gulf of texas yeah and uh you know so you have some coastline you've got a lot of oil

02:20:39.500 a lot of different resources and could be amazing yeah could be really good and uh yeah so i you

02:20:47.320 know like nations we just our lives are so short you know we're just like the bible says we're a

02:20:53.240 vapor breath you know you know like dew of the grass it's here in the morning and gone by lunch

02:20:58.440 And that's, you know, but in the big scope, if you pan out, nations just, they rise and fall all the time.

02:21:06.100 And I love our nation.

02:21:07.260 I don't want to see it fall, but I just, I'm not in charge.

02:21:11.440 I'm not in charge.

02:21:12.440 I wish I was, but I'm not.

02:21:14.200 And I'm never going to be in charge because, you know.

02:21:16.100 Not on that level.

02:21:17.000 Not on that level.

02:21:17.840 You know, and so that like that's, so I'll keep talking, you know, and keep preaching and hope that some people listen and all those kinds of things.

02:21:25.300 But for the most part, I think America has made up its mind that it wants to be defeated.

02:21:32.120 It really does.

02:21:32.920 It wants to be defeated.

02:21:34.120 So, all right.

02:21:35.620 On that note, thanks for tuning in.

02:21:36.520 Thanks for tuning in.

02:21:37.280 Yeah, great, great day.

02:21:38.860 And let's see.

02:21:40.540 So Wednesday, we have a couple.

02:21:41.980 Can I just read the Super Chat real quick?

02:21:43.480 Yeah, go ahead.

02:21:44.900 Sorry to get to these late.

02:21:48.240 Michael, Super Chat, $2.

02:21:49.640 Thanks.

02:21:49.960 How many other nations have an APAC guy equivalent?

02:21:52.400 I don't know.

02:21:52.880 i wouldn't be surprised if some do but probably ours is the most predominant uh salty sailor good

02:21:57.760 to see you again thanks for the five dollars salty sailor mom thanks 499 thanks mom i appreciate that

02:22:04.080 mostly peaceful merch ten dollars from you thank you very much uh this episode paid for my k-pack

02:22:11.040 okay nice and then victory in christ yeah um the preterism uh 499 says thanks for the donation

02:22:19.140 victory uh we'd love to see uh zach garris in convo with you guys on gavin ortland's

02:22:25.060 latest full preterism video and open-ended consideration sorry zach davis the very

02:22:29.540 different zach yeah um an open-ended consideration would be great cool thank you guys for all the

02:22:36.100 super chats we really appreciate it uh like we said earlier so wednesday is going to be pre-recorded

02:22:40.800 yep and uh what was the topic can you remember i can't remember because i don't remember pre-recorded

02:22:45.560 in anticipation of Wes being gone.

02:22:49.180 But I know that we prerecorded three in total

02:22:52.060 and I remember liking all three.

02:22:53.740 So it's going to be good.

02:22:55.180 And then Friday we'll get together

02:22:56.620 and we'll do another one that's live with Michael and I.

02:23:00.440 And the next week, Lord willing,

02:23:01.780 we'll have the whole gang.

02:23:03.400 Wes will be back to save us from our black pills.

02:23:05.160 Yeah, yeah.

02:23:06.360 All right, thanks for tuning in and God bless.

02:23:15.560 Buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh.

The NXR Podcast - May 12, 2025

THE LIVESTREAM - Donald Trump, Benjamin Netanyahu, & The Coming Separation With Israel

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