The NXR Podcast - THE LIVESTREAM - EBT Ends as Government RUNS OUT Of Money ｜ Record Layoffs Underway

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00:00:30.000 government shutdown it is still in effect today was the day that they had to square things away

00:00:39.640 figure it out so far that has not happened starting tomorrow november 1st you will see

00:00:46.360 a little bit of chaos in the streets if this does not get ironed out one of the reasons for that is

00:00:51.880 EBT, welfare, food stamps, SNAP benefits, these kinds of things, as far as we can tell,

00:01:00.100 are going to be out of commission. There have been a number of videos on TikTok and Instagram

00:01:08.540 and X of individuals saying, we're going to rob white people. We're going to rob grocery stores. 0.91

00:01:16.380 There was one video where a certain individual said, not just we're going to rob white people, 0.99

00:01:21.260 but we're going to eat them. That was actually a video, believe it or not. I retweeted it. So I 0.98

00:01:26.860 have evidence on my timeline if you'd like to go and see it. Sadly, I'm not exaggerating. There is

00:01:32.540 chaos right now. The market is continuing to push up with all-time highs. But even with that,

00:01:40.460 there's some fear in the streets. Is it a bubble? Is it going to pop? What's going to happen?

00:01:46.120 So there's a lot to talk about when we look at the overall economic landscape here in

00:01:53.720 these United States.

00:01:54.720 That's what we're going to be talking about in today's episode.

00:01:58.520 I'll mention one last thing here in the cold open.

00:02:02.060 Currently, we have 42 million people, was the recent data, that are on EBT benefits.

00:02:10.100 42 million people.

00:02:11.280 I believe that's over 12% of the entire country.

00:02:14.780 It's like 12.5%. So currently, when it comes to planning for November and buying a Thanksgiving

00:02:22.240 dinner, we have over 10%, well over 10% of the country that is expecting you and I to buy that

00:02:32.520 for them. And many, not all, but many, I mean thousands of individuals are going on social

00:02:39.360 media saying that if we do not buy their Thanksgiving dinner, then they will at best

00:02:46.580 steal from you, which through the government, they've been stealing for decades from you,

00:02:52.460 but they will steal from you without the government in a vigilante sort of fashion,

00:02:57.940 and at worse, physically harm you. I have already tweeted out to all my followers,

00:03:03.780 and I have also instructed my wife for the foreseeable future, no grocery shopping.

00:03:10.400 Everything has to be ordered online. We can go to Costco if we want, but I have to come with you

00:03:16.660 and I will be in the state of Texas legally caring. This is what it's come to in these

00:03:23.560 United States of America, in our economic house of cards. Is there any certainty? Is there anything

00:03:29.480 in our economy that is sure, that is secure, that's stable? What does God's Word have to say

00:03:35.920 about these things? Where should Christians be investing? What should they be hoping in? Is there 0.98

00:03:41.620 anything that we can rely upon? That's the topic for today's episode. Tune in now.

00:03:48.200 all right welcome back to the show it is friday october 31st i'm going to say two things

00:04:03.420 up front happy halloween and also happy reformation day we have many eastern orthodox

00:04:09.560 and catholic followers but it is reformation day and i am reformed and so i'm going to have to say

00:04:16.640 happy Reformation Day. I understand if you need to put in the chat right now, you know, Rare,

00:04:21.160 Joel L., I will take it. I will own it. But I am a Protestant, and I am proud of my Protestant

00:04:28.840 heritage. I love my Catholic friends. I love not quite as much, but also some love for my Eastern

00:04:36.140 Orthodox friends. I prefer Catholicism to Eastern Orthodoxy because I think they both have massive

00:04:41.960 theological problems, but at least one is Western. At least one seems to have some kind of history

00:04:47.660 with our European heritage. The other one, not so much. But we love our Catholic friends and we love 0.76

00:04:54.740 our Eastern Orthodox friends, but we are here with Right Response Ministries, distinctly Christian

00:04:59.620 and willing to be co-belligerents in a large tent as we labor together in the realm of politics and

00:05:06.640 the realm of culture. But theologically, when it comes to matters of the church, ecclesiology,

00:05:11.060 these kinds of things, we are unapologetically Protestant. So happy Reformation Day, but also

00:05:16.980 happy Halloween, right? All Hallows' Eve, right? All Saints' Day. There is a heritage there as well, 0.99

00:05:23.640 and I don't want to completely throw out the baby with the bathwater. The fact that the devil has

00:05:28.140 hijacked, and it really is the devil, demons and the devil have hijacked Halloween. There's no

00:05:33.600 question about that. But the fact that the devil has taken something doesn't mean that he ultimately

00:05:38.920 owns it. And it doesn't mean that there shouldn't be some kind of full-court press from Christians 0.99

00:05:44.080 to try to redeem that which has been sullied. So I will say both Happy Halloween and Happy 0.99

00:05:49.800 Reformation Day. That being established now, I'd like to introduce our guest for our topic today

00:05:56.080 as we look at the month of November potentially being a bit crazy when we come to economic things

00:06:03.280 and welfare and our country and racial tensions and all these different things. There's a lot

00:06:08.220 going on. Our guest today is Bill Armour. And what we've done is we started, I believe this

00:06:13.460 is our third time now. So a couple months ago, we decided, you know what? Once a month, we're not

00:06:18.220 going to do it every day. We're not going to become an exclusive investing market update

00:06:25.020 podcast. That's not who we are. That's not what we do. But when it comes to wealth, right? The

00:06:30.240 love of money is the root of all kinds of evil. But money itself, right? Not the love of money,

00:06:35.180 not greed, but money itself, being wise with our investments, these kinds of things, Christians

00:06:40.080 building an inheritance that we can give to our children's children, as the book of Proverbs talks

00:06:45.800 about, this is a part of the Christian life. And so we decided that it merits at least one episode,

00:06:51.940 one live stream a month to give a full market update, talk about the economy, and talk about

00:06:57.240 Christians building wealth for future generations so that we can win the world for Jesus Christ.

00:07:02.860 We don't love money, but as we seek to expand, push for the crown rights of Jesus, it involves money.

00:07:10.360 So we don't love money, but pushing for the kingdom of Christ here on earth in this temporal age involves money.

00:07:16.580 And so we want to be wise, good stewards.

00:07:18.640 So we decided once a month we're going to talk about these kinds of things,

00:07:21.680 and we've decided to bring a solid Christian brother that we've come to know and love,

00:07:26.060 Bill Armour from Genesis Gold, as a representative from their group, their organization,

00:07:30.860 to come once a month and join us. Bill, thanks for coming on the show.

00:07:35.480 Pleasure. Great to be here. And just, you know, as you were talking there, one thing that did

00:07:40.120 pop into my head is just obviously, you know, Satan, the father of lies there. The biggest

00:07:45.280 power is just, you know, confusing and manipulating and destroying. But I would think about that in

00:07:51.260 terms of obviously what we've seen with Halloween and how that's changed. And I was just thinking,

00:07:55.500 you know, how do I contextualize that with money? And you're right. It's not that money is bad in

00:08:00.100 and of itself, but the love of money. And beyond that, the way even our financial system, every

00:08:05.580 civilization in history has to utilize money in some way, form, one way or another. But how has

00:08:12.440 that become destroyed and corrupted with the fiat system as a whole and whatnot? So I was just kind

00:08:17.180 of playing with that in my head a little bit. But it's just interesting how we see that in every

00:08:21.320 facet of our lives is what God intends and obviously the way that that has been distorted by

00:08:25.860 the enemy yeah you're absolutely right fiat currency the ability um centralized banking uh

00:08:32.200 the the fed being able to just have their hand on the lever of interest rates being able to print

00:08:37.300 money out of thin air um usury all these different things um i mean it really is you know we've gotten

00:08:44.660 used to it but if you step back and try to be objective and you look in from the outside i mean 0.99

00:08:49.740 it's it's absolutely insane and and it's not just crazy or ignorant or dumb or foolish or um but it 0.99

00:08:56.320 also is from a moral standpoint it really is wicked our economic system is wicked right i mean 0.99

00:09:03.140 the fact that people people have refrigerators now with a screen on it in the morning sending

00:09:10.040 them ads to buy things right that that is not um the timeless principles of private property

00:09:16.860 ownership. That is not the kind of capitalism that our founders would have spoken of. That is

00:09:23.360 a crony capitalism that makes socialism look appetizing, you know, by comparison. Like some

00:09:30.760 of the guys, you know, young guys who follow this show, they're like, hey, national socialism

00:09:35.520 doesn't seem like the worst idea. And I'm a bit sympathetic when you look at not capitalism from

00:09:42.140 50 years ago certainly not 150 years ago but you look at what it's become today and it's like yeah

00:09:48.560 I can see even if it's the wrong instinct I can see and I'm not going to just despair as these

00:09:53.840 young men I see why they are considering certain things because we have allowed greed and consumption

00:09:59.840 and wickedness and usury and all these things to have a stranglehold on our economy and our country

00:10:06.840 so you're right I agree you said you're cold open is anything sure anymore and I think we could

00:10:12.040 add something to the list there's death and taxes those have been kind of spoken of as a classic

00:10:15.840 in life you're going to have death and you're going to have taxes and i'm actually going to

00:10:19.180 nominate a third one and that's going to be a federal judge in some state that you know has

00:10:23.580 some of the fewest residents in the land ordering the executive branch so the judicial branch ordering 0.95

00:10:28.260 the executive branch to do some of the thing and as of about 30 minutes ago a federal judge a woman

00:10:33.760 was not an american we'll talk about this on the back end has now ordered the administration to

00:10:39.080 find the money for ebt benefits and really to your point bill to zoom out a little bit so what's going

00:10:45.100 on here with the government shutdown government shutdown we shouldn't think of as ending all

00:10:49.680 issuing of debt all money and all activities right the uh government for example medicare

00:10:56.080 social security those are actually still being paid out if you could think of a family's budget

00:11:00.200 think of rent or mortgage think of food and think of health insurance those are core items that if

00:11:06.460 your family's trying to save money, it's not as though we just, well, let's go ahead and just go

00:11:10.080 without food for the month. Those are core items. However, Netflix, Hulu, food subscription services,

00:11:16.940 those might be the things that you cancel. And so when it comes to the government, a lot of times

00:11:20.800 government funding through yearly appropriations that's passed by Congress is also tied with a

00:11:25.800 thing called the debt ceiling. We're in so much debt and we're issuing debt continually because

00:11:30.520 we've been in a deficit. I think it was Bill Clinton. I don't remember the year. It would

00:11:34.220 have been i think 2002 2001 that was the last time the federal budget was actually balanced

00:11:39.000 right rare bill clinton w he was good fiscally he was do you know who blew it through the roof too

00:11:43.760 reagan yeah so reagan which with reagan i i want to say real rare reagan l but i i feel like i have

00:11:52.660 to say would be appropriate common reagan l whether it's no fault divorce or amnesty laws or i mean

00:11:58.240 Reagan I've said it before but he truly encapsulates the spirit of the boomer right like it's like I'm

00:12:04.880 gonna sweep the country with a conservative vote but then push certain amnesty laws and policies 0.61

00:12:10.900 to where no one will ever be able to achieve what I have achieved after me I mean it's it really is

00:12:16.480 I mean you can't even write you know a story like that it really is remarkable real quick I noticed

00:12:21.920 in the chat people are asking I think people want a sense of the EBT you know like what what are we

00:12:27.960 talking about in terms of dollar amounts right i've looked into this some depending on how many

00:12:32.300 kids an individual has if you have like five kids for instance you're talking or or more maybe five

00:12:38.060 six seven kids uh you're talking three four thousand dollars a month per person um so you're

00:12:45.240 talking about um it's not just like hey you know it's it's a a canned food drive you know for for

00:12:51.900 those who are the poorest of the poor and the destitute no you're talking i mean i've seen the

00:12:56.240 videos you're like with two grocery carts you know going through the store loaded up with you

00:13:01.420 know doritos and all these like and it's thousands and thousands of dollars every single month per

00:13:07.880 family right and and so uh it is it's a lot of money it's a big deal it's a system that that

00:13:13.780 has been broken for a very long time and the chickens may be coming home to roost what do

00:13:19.380 you think, Bill? Yeah, I mean, I would agree. I think that the way it's been situated is a

00:13:25.820 problem. And just I think like anything, this is something when Doge went out there to find

00:13:30.840 fraud, waste and abuse, you know, there's effectively infinite fraud, waste and abuse

00:13:35.400 in our government. I don't think it was ever, you know, decided that they were going to get

00:13:39.140 everything, but hopefully they got a lot of it. But I think this is probably a place where it's

00:13:43.100 so hard to verify so much of this because it's such a big problem. Anytime you have federal

00:13:48.180 programs, I mean, we're encompassing, you know, hundreds of millions of people, you know, at least

00:13:52.860 or at least, you know, tens of millions that actually access this program to verify every

00:13:57.200 single person and whatnot is a really, really tough task. And so we almost understand, I think

00:14:02.640 we have to understand that some of that is going to be used incorrectly or, you know, or whatnot.

00:14:07.580 So we know it's there. I think maybe the questions would just be, you know, how much and what does

00:14:12.660 that look like? And remember, EBT, SNAP, the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program,

00:14:20.340 that's only one part of a lot of assistance that the government gives. Healthcare and housing are

00:14:25.560 their big ones. So to your point, SNAP is, it's about 90 billion. It's settled down from its peak

00:14:30.100 of 110 billion annually worth of aid during the pandemic era. So it's come down a little bit since

00:14:35.040 then, and it's 90 billion. That 90 billion is not coming alone. You have people on all three forms.

00:14:40.340 So it's not just like, I need a little bit of help making it on food.

00:14:43.780 They're also on federally subsidized health care.

00:14:46.240 Oh, I've got health care and I've got food.

00:14:48.040 I still can't make ends meet and I need help with housing.

00:14:51.060 So they have housing vouchers.

00:14:52.460 The government is paying for their insurance.

00:14:54.520 And actually, I mentioned the family.

00:14:56.360 So the family has its core items.

00:14:58.100 The money for SNAP is actually still available.

00:15:02.180 So what the government can do is when it gets to the point that it's running into deficit,

00:15:05.560 it can add on debt.

00:15:06.740 This is by the Treasury issuing new securities.

00:15:09.460 So the Treasury comes out and it says, we're going to sell these, be they bonds, 5, 10

00:15:14.500 year, 15 year, we're going to sell these bonds.

00:15:16.500 That's going to bring money in.

00:15:17.820 10 years, obviously, we'll have to pay it back before right now we can distribute the

00:15:21.700 money.

00:15:21.900 That's why, again, Social Security and Medicare, they haven't been shut down.

00:15:25.920 However, for all of this money that goes out billions every single month, there's also

00:15:31.220 billions in administrative costs.

00:15:33.580 And that's the part that's not funded.

00:15:35.840 So states and the federal government share 50-50 the cost of administrating the program.

00:15:41.320 But when the government shutdown happened, there's no longer any money apportioned to paying for the administrative costs to get the money out there to attempt to prevent fraud, waste, and abuse.

00:15:51.620 So you have the money.

00:15:52.600 It's been there.

00:15:53.600 And until we hit our $41 trillion, $41 trillion, that's what we raised it to back in July with the big, beautiful bill, until we hit our $41 trillion debt ceiling, the money is there.

00:16:03.240 But what's going on right now in the shutdown, there's no money to pay, I think it's the USDA, that actually disperses the food, that actually transfers the money.

00:16:12.780 Because remember, the states themselves administer it with federal money.

00:16:16.440 So the program is so big and so bulky, it costs billions of dollars just to distribute the billions of dollars every single month, and we've run out of money to pay for that.

00:16:25.560 There's lots of wastes and abuses to it. 0.98

00:16:27.760 I do want to pick up on one, though, and it's disability.

00:16:30.360 So an individual can't be on SNAP if they're able-bodied, they're not elderly or retired,

00:16:36.200 and they are able to work.

00:16:37.700 They have to work at least 20 hours a week, which is not much.

00:16:40.880 I mean, that's scraping the bottle of a barrel.

00:16:43.060 Like, please, you're a 25-year-old man.

00:16:45.280 Could you work 20 hours in a week?

00:16:47.660 But if you're not doing that, one of the ways that you can get out of that is say,

00:16:51.200 I am disabled.

00:16:52.700 And there are, I was in the military, there are people that come home and they've lost

00:16:56.220 both legs or something has happened to them.

00:16:58.240 they genuinely can't work. And there are provisions. The family and the church are

00:17:02.300 actually probably first in that line for the government. However, some of these categories

00:17:06.680 for disability, one of them, according to federal guidelines, is ADHD, Attention Hyperactivity

00:17:12.240 Deficit Disorder. You could go to the government and say, I have ADHD, and it's preventing me from

00:17:17.540 holding down long-term employment, and I need money for food. And you could indefinitely,

00:17:24.920 An able-bodied man. ADHD is not a physical. It would be mental if it even exists at all.

00:17:30.820 Highly debatable.

00:17:31.800 If it exists at all. And you could say, I need food assistance, and I need this assistance

00:17:36.360 for the rest of my life. Chronic depression and anxiety are other categories. So forget even

00:17:41.680 individuals that aren't working. Forget individuals that are gaming the system. Someone put it up

00:17:46.360 there. It's very well known. What people will do is take the cards. So say you spent $3,000 on

00:17:50.660 groceries but you have two kids so there's another two to three thousand on it well in they'll sell

00:17:55.220 it in the community hey uh you give me uh i'll give you money for this and uh and you can go get

00:18:00.660 your hair and your nails done you can go pay for luxury items like this so these things are traded

00:18:04.960 around with people that have king jared in the chat he just said adhd whoa i didn't realize that

00:18:10.760 i was disabled yeah yeah and so that's just one of the abuses and you're talking about 42 million

00:18:18.520 americans as you said in the opening utah is actually one of the lowest uh states i think

00:18:23.160 it's like four percent well real quick let's talk about so 42 million americans 42 million

00:18:28.480 americans yeah 42 million people okay um but that's that's another thing that um wes if you

00:18:36.320 could take just a moment and explain it to the listener um out of these 42 million americans

00:18:41.560 and if you're listening you know on on a podcast and not watching uh visually i'm i'm doing uh like

00:18:47.540 violent air quotes as i say american the word american um like 42 million but it's it's a

00:18:55.660 fairly sizable percentage of these individuals that they they weren't born in america questionably

00:19:02.420 not even american citizens so not even paperwork americans much less american americans right can

00:19:07.880 you walk us through that at all i'm just going to play this is a one minute clip from rob finnerty

00:19:11.500 on newsmax where he does a great job of breaking down with visuals just the scale of the aid we're

00:19:17.160 paying actually to foreigners for food and other assistance. Wow. There are 42 million people in

00:19:23.420 this country that need food stamps on a weekly basis. And we're saying people deliberately 1.00

00:19:29.900 instead of Americans, because most of the people that are on food stamps aren't even from this

00:19:35.300 country. 45% of Afghanistan immigrants are on food stamps. 42% of Somali immigrants. 34% of

00:19:44.900 every immigrant from Iraq, 23 percent of Haitians, 59 percent of all illegal aliens are collecting

00:19:53.760 food stamps, meaning that most of the people getting food stamps from the U.S. government

00:19:59.120 and the U.S. taxpayer are not even Americans. Think about that. And we didn't know about any

00:20:05.340 of this before the government shutdown started. But thanks to Democrats, we can confirm tonight

00:20:10.100 that millions of joe biden illegal aliens people who crossed the border when joe was president

00:20:15.560 are now collecting food stamps from a program funded by hard-working american taxpayers

00:20:20.580 wow so you're working hard you're paying your taxes it's not enough mind you the government

00:20:26.140 is still printing money inflating your money away and that money is going to pay for a lot

00:20:32.200 a lot a lot of people that are not even americans not just and and some of those people might

00:20:38.220 actually merit it um but many of the true americans are actually just you know they're

00:20:45.360 making up an excuse not all but but many uh the bible says if you don't work you don't eat that's

00:20:51.220 a biblical principle um and so you have already americans abusing the system but then come to

00:20:56.800 find out a ton of them aren't even americans they're they're foreigners who aren't even

00:21:01.600 citizens and so you're you're literally your government is putting everything the government 0.97

00:21:06.360 does, you have to realize this, it's all coercion, right? This is not charity, because people will

00:21:10.780 say, well, aren't Christians supposed to be charitable? Aren't they supposed to be generous?

00:21:14.780 It's not charity when I'm being told to give to someone else at gunpoint. Everything that the

00:21:20.360 government does is coercive, right? Everything the government does is ultimately at gunpoint,

00:21:25.340 and you might say, that's hyperbole. That's not true. If I say, for these reasons, based off of

00:21:32.060 my spiritual theological convictions, I know that this portion of my taxes goes to pay for things 0.83

00:21:38.700 that are unbiblical, like feeding an able-bodied person who is not willing to work when the Bible

00:21:44.020 says, if you don't work, you don't eat. And so based off of that religious conviction,

00:21:47.660 I am not going to pay this portion of my taxes. What do you think happens? Well, you get a letter,

00:21:53.120 then you get a phone call and you're like, nope, I'm not going to do it. I'm going to hold to my

00:21:56.160 conviction. Eventually someone shows up at your house and you say, go away. Eventually they show

00:22:01.040 up with guards, right? And you say, oh, I'm not coming out. You can't take me. Eventually, there

00:22:06.600 will be a gun pointed at your head. So it's not hyperbole. When I say everything the government 0.99

00:22:12.140 does, it does it at gunpoint. And I'm not even saying that that's bad so long as the government

00:22:16.980 does things that are righteous, right? God actually gave the sword to the government. So the

00:22:23.100 government is the only legitimate institution that has a monopoly, a God-given monopoly on

00:22:30.140 violence. The government is allowed to bear the sword. But when the government coerces at gunpoint

00:22:36.060 things that are directly in contradiction to God's word, then it's tyranny. And you don't have

00:22:42.800 the ability to resist that without having a gun eventually down the line. Lots of procedures and

00:22:49.620 lots of, you know, this phone call and the letters and this person shows. But eventually it will be

00:22:54.040 a gun and eventually you will go to jail if you don't pay for those who are able-bodied but refuse 0.91

00:23:01.060 to work when the Bible says that they shouldn't eat. And not only that, that's for the American 0.79

00:23:06.020 side of the equation, but in addition to that, you have to carry Haiti on your back. You have 0.86

00:23:10.800 to carry Afghanistan on your back. You have to carry Iraq on your back. Non-citizens, not even 1.00

00:23:16.780 born in our country, some of them that have only been here for weeks or potentially months, and 1.00

00:23:22.360 you have to carry them on your back. You need to know that you live in a wicked nation, and that

00:23:28.220 you are constantly being robbed, and that's just in terms of your taxation. And then you look at

00:23:34.660 the other side of the equation, printing money out of thin air, the inflation, which is, you know,

00:23:39.480 another form of taxation. So we are in dire straits, and it is difficult for Christians to

00:23:46.060 be able to have the wisdom necessary to navigate the corrupt economic system that we currently 0.98

00:23:52.680 live in so that they can actually obey the scripture that says a good man or a wise man

00:23:58.340 leaves an inheritance for his children's children. So at the end of this segment, what I want to do

00:24:02.900 is I want to hand it to you, Bill. What do you think about those things? What can we do? And in

00:24:07.880 the second segment, we're going to really focus on our guests and giving us even more practical

00:24:13.460 wisdom of how to navigate the things that are going on. And, you know, we've done this the

00:24:18.280 last couple of times. I can't help myself. I think it's fun. You know, we'll give the disclaimer. We

00:24:23.260 could be wrong. We don't have a crystal ball. But I think in the second segment, it would be fun to

00:24:27.880 give some predictions of what's going to happen in November. Is the government shutdown going to

00:24:32.420 persist? How will that affect the economy? Those kinds of things. So, Bill, everything that Wes

00:24:37.640 and I have said, we've got all the data out. We got our video out. We got, you know, all these

00:24:41.180 things. Give us, you know, take take five minutes, 10 minutes, whatever you need. Give us a response

00:24:46.020 and then we'll go to our first commercial break. Yeah. So, I mean, one thing that sticks out to me

00:24:51.860 is just a reminder of it. A lot of these people, you look at the countries that they're coming

00:24:56.060 from. These are not people who are coming here and using this aid as a stopgap. And they're

00:25:01.040 they're excited to be in this country and they love this country. A lot of these people are the

00:25:04.980 same ones we see in these anti-American riots, you know, holding up flags of other countries

00:25:09.800 as they take money from people that are working and then they don't want to get a job because

00:25:14.460 they don't want to lose those benefits so there's this cycle of somehow we're paying people who hate

00:25:19.200 us to be here and and when we accept that i think that is unacceptable it's the definition of

00:25:24.240 unacceptable and you're right it's not hyperbole to say that you really do have a gun to your head

00:25:28.980 on this and that wouldn't even be charity even if it was because if you can't if you don't have the

00:25:33.260 opportunity to make a decision no one could ever call you a generous person if you're forced to

00:25:38.140 give everything away. You're not generous, you've just been stolen from. And so that's really, I

00:25:42.600 think, the crux of this argument here. And there's, I mean, even just sort of the obvious pieces of

00:25:47.420 who this goes to, there's so many workarounds and subsets of these benefits. We talk about,

00:25:52.340 like in Washington, there's SNAP, but then there's programs even under SNAP that if you don't qualify

00:25:56.760 for SNAP because of things like your immigration status, et cetera, guess what? They're still going

00:26:01.080 to take care of you. So this exists throughout the entire country. And it's a methodology that

00:26:08.080 creates people who are not self-sustaining, that we are sustaining, that then hate the country

00:26:14.080 that they live in. And the only way that they can keep that is if they find some way to pressure or

00:26:18.920 push voting initiatives that allow them to have these policies. So there's kind of this thing

00:26:27.400 that we saw in the last administration. That's why the borders were wide open. And that's why

00:26:31.300 into this administration, people were shocked at how quickly the borders closed. I remember just

00:26:37.660 a year ago, they were saying, well, it's not that easy to close down the border to stop and

00:26:41.020 great. This is so difficult, such a complicated issue. And here we are, you know, about 12 months

00:26:45.780 later. And it's like, oh, this is we've made tremendous progress. It's really halted. And

00:26:49.820 the answer is they were putting people in positions to to move that initiative forward.

00:26:54.520 And a lot of this damage will be done for years and years to come because they're here and it's

00:26:58.560 hard to get rid of them. We've done a tremendous job. You know, I think President Trump's in

00:27:01.760 a tremendous job getting rid of some of that. But obviously, a lot of that is going to stick.

00:27:06.240 A lot of that is here for the long run. You know, my wife is from Michigan. And so obviously we see

00:27:10.760 this in like Dearborn where, I mean, entire parts of a state have been changed and not for the

00:27:15.640 better. So I just go back to that, that this is fraud, waste and abuse in a big scale. Improper

00:27:21.120 payments represent about 15% of all EBT benefits, meaning that, you know, when they look back,

00:27:28.120 they say, oh, maybe we gave that person too much or they shouldn't have got benefits and whatnot.

00:27:31.840 historically, those numbers are closer to, you know, one and a half, 2%. So it's not like this

00:27:36.220 is a problem that's always existed. This is actually in the scale and sense it is, this is

00:27:41.560 a relatively new problem. And I think it speaks to a wider problem. And I'm sure we'll talk more

00:27:47.440 about this in the next segment, but it speaks to a wider problem of our entire economic frame,

00:27:54.860 right? And, you know, there's different pieces that add into that, you know, social, political,

00:27:58.700 etc. But when you break it all down, the debt problem, for instance, we're just kicking the

00:28:03.460 can down the road because there's no easy way to solve these problems. And so my thought with all

00:28:08.540 of that is we need less government intervention, not more. We need to give people, empower people

00:28:14.060 to go out and earn their own money, not to provide for them. I mean, Jesus didn't heal and then tell

00:28:19.960 them to continue begging. He'll pick up your mat and walk. I mean, that's kind of the idea here as

00:28:24.380 christians i think that we approach this with is that we need to empower people to you know produce

00:28:29.240 not empower people to be takers you know as a christian obviously we want to be uh givers not

00:28:34.100 takers you know as a as a net net so just some of my my thoughts on that well said uh real quick

00:28:40.540 just looking at the chat uh people uh i see they're commenting on president trump and so i just

00:28:46.320 want to go on record as saying uh two things number one um president trump some people in the

00:28:51.180 chat are saying, well, he's done a lot of good. Yes, he did close the border. This was probably

00:28:56.440 in relation to Bill talking about closing the border and those kinds of things. Trump has done

00:29:00.640 a lot of good for which I'm grateful. And I want to do my very best as a Christian man to honor

00:29:06.140 the scripture by honoring the king. He is, you know, whether you like it or not, for all intents

00:29:12.380 and purposes, he would hold that role. You know, Peter in his epistles say, honor the king. So I

00:29:17.940 want to honor and respect trump i'm certainly praying for him and i am grateful for a lot of

00:29:22.380 good that he did on the flip side um he has closed the door but we have not gotten even close to the

00:29:29.400 mass deportations that uh we were promised and as much as i appreciate um a good poster on the

00:29:36.560 internet you know with uh homeland security you know posting lord of the ring memes pippin there

00:29:41.440 won't be a shire you know and uh the orcs have to go back um i appreciate that as much as the next

00:29:47.720 guy probably even more uh but i retweeted uh is it it's not homeland security what is it dhs

00:29:53.500 department dhs right so they had like a lord of the rings you know pippin there won't be a shire

00:29:58.580 and everyone's like are you kidding me uh why are you blackpilling when the dhs is you know

00:30:04.120 posting lord of the rings you know um and so i retweeted and said i appreciate a good post and

00:30:09.780 this is a great post. However, could we please actually have some action? And whether you like

00:30:18.940 it or not, whether you're MAGA or love Trump, there needs, I think, to be some respect, some

00:30:23.840 appreciation. On the flip side, there also needs to be some honesty and some good old-fashioned

00:30:31.160 chimping out and admitting that right now we're getting a lot more posting on the internet than 0.61

00:30:38.700 we're actually getting in terms of deportations. I understand that it took financing, that it takes

00:30:44.020 infrastructure, that it takes hiring. It took the big, beautiful bill and $40 trillion in debt and

00:30:48.880 all these things. And if all that, as bad as it is, actually lends towards millions have to go back,

00:30:55.600 then praise God. But it has not happened yet. There have been self-deportations. I'm grateful

00:31:01.660 for that. I think the latest numbers, you know, Trump is now wrapping up his first year of this

00:31:06.240 second administration. And I think we're looking at 2, 2.5 million self-deportations and around a

00:31:12.900 million deportations. So you're looking at about 3.5. And I would simply respond by saying those

00:31:19.140 are rookie numbers. We got to beef those numbers up. So let me add one piece to this. I mentioned

00:31:23.540 that a judge has ordered Trump on the food stamp side of things to find a way. The judge's name,

00:31:28.540 the U.S. district judge's name, Indiria Talwani. She said the steps involved, so the steps to find

00:31:34.580 funding for this involved finding an equitable way of reducing benefits. So not only are foreigners 0.99

00:31:39.240 getting the majority of this aid, then we elected someone, and one of the byproducts of his policies

00:31:43.320 has been a government shutdown in which we're wasting less money. And a foreigner is coming in 1.00

00:31:47.860 and saying, no, you must find a way, you must find the money, and this will be another example. 0.94

00:31:53.360 Will Trump say, pound sand, we are not paying this money. It is billions of dollars in administrative

00:31:58.400 costs until the government is funded, until Congress, the constitutional way of finding

00:32:03.840 a remedy. Until Congress comes up with a remedy, we will not be paying it. Or will a bunch of

00:32:08.620 people see their EBT cards loaded up to go buy Diet Coke? I don't know. I'm rooting for Trump

00:32:13.140 to make the right choice. But again and again, we've seen up to the year so far, fine, fine,

00:32:19.900 we'll do it. Yeah, we've had, I think that's well said. We've had a lot of good things from Trump.

00:32:25.080 And I don't want us to not be grateful at all.

00:32:31.340 But it is just a fact that although there have been some good things,

00:32:35.820 what we have objectively not had thus far is a crossing the Rubicon moment.

00:32:40.920 Eventually, if Trump is going to have a lasting legacy,

00:32:45.740 he's going to have to cross the Rubicon and say enough is enough.

00:32:48.860 the judges, the mayors, the governors, not just a sternly worded tweet. No, armed guards

00:32:58.140 throwing them in jail. These are traitors to the United States. Thousands of civil officials 0.96

00:33:08.020 over the last five, six years have committed treason. They need to be round up and thrown 0.97

00:33:14.120 in prison. This judge, you are not an American. You don't get round up and thrown in prison. 0.97

00:33:18.280 you get round up, put on a boat, and sent back. They need to be naturalized and deported. That 0.99

00:33:26.300 has to happen. And if that doesn't happen, then as much good as Trump is doing, it's still way

00:33:32.760 too much bark and not enough bite. He needs to be the American Caesar. He must cross the Rubicon.

00:33:40.940 He even tweeted out, I mean, we've got the President of the United States, Napoleon,

00:33:45.040 tweeting, right? He who saves his country violates no law. Yes and amen. So let's see it. Let's see

00:33:52.240 it. I'm going to call him to account. At the same time, though, I am going to pray that by God's

00:34:00.300 grace that he would be that man. Personally, if you're asking me, you know, what's your prediction?

00:34:04.020 What do you think? I think that Trump is not that man. I believe that the great man, by the grace

00:34:09.300 of God, is coming and that Trump is a precursor, that he's the best president that we've had in

00:34:13.920 my lifetime, far none, but that he's still not quite that guy, and that that guy, in God's grace,

00:34:21.300 will eventually come, and that Trump will be looked at historically as a precursor for that

00:34:25.220 guy. However, there's still three years left to go, and even though that may be my prediction,

00:34:30.680 I'm going to pray, love hopes all things, I'm going to pray that God would make Trump half the man

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00:39:00.260 Well, Bill, last month when we spoke, one of the big things that we focused on was the labor market.

00:39:05.560 It can be great if the SPY is at an all-time high, but practically speaking, if people don't have jobs and those earnings are driven by AI, by automation and other things, it doesn't actually practically make your life better.

00:39:16.700 I'm going to read some layoff announcements, and I'm going to give it to you.

00:39:19.720 And I want to hear if you still think kind of the job numbers.

00:39:22.300 We actually don't have the job numbers from October because the government shut down.

00:39:26.780 And if I'm correct, the August job numbers, they were revised after our conversation.

00:39:31.160 So they were already low, and I believe they got revised downward even further.

00:39:35.300 And so job numbers were not looking good.

00:39:37.240 Last, the government was putting them out.

00:39:38.900 They're no longer putting them out.

00:39:40.520 And there's been a number of recent layoff announcements.

00:39:42.660 I'm just going to read the top five.

00:39:43.780 but if you're watching, you can see a list of about 15 companies.

00:39:47.140 The biggest layoffs, UPS, 48,000 employees.

00:39:51.240 Amazon, up to 30,000 employees.

00:39:53.640 Intel, 24,000 employees.

00:39:56.040 Nestle, 16,000 employees.

00:39:58.160 Accenture, 11,000 employees.

00:40:00.340 There's another 10 companies listed.

00:40:01.920 Big-time layoffs are going on.

00:40:03.800 Again, stocks themselves, the stock market.

00:40:06.260 I wanted to draw that.

00:40:07.520 So Amazon just produced its earnings.

00:40:09.080 And granted, Amazon has been lagging behind the Mag7

00:40:11.780 and some other major companies.

00:40:13.780 Amazon is still, still was not at all time highs, was like actually down, kind of beaten down from

00:40:19.200 where it was in February of this year. I think in February was about $242 was the share price.

00:40:26.500 And then it was like basically hovering in this 220 to 227 range for the last month, two months.

00:40:35.600 And then they just produced earnings after the bell yesterday. And, and they didn't just pop a

00:40:42.400 little bit i think they went up um over 12 it's like 12.6 percent spike uh in after earnings and

00:40:48.620 they've held that today so it wasn't just this pop and then immediate sell-off it got in the

00:40:53.000 pre-market all the way up this morning in the pre-market all the way up to like uh 200 from

00:40:58.500 224 to like 250 250 uh 252 dollars and 50 cents uh share price for amazon uh which is massive and

00:41:07.360 has, I think it finished the day around like $246. So holding a good $20 to $25 above its

00:41:18.380 previous share price, which is a new all-time high. But my point, the reason why I'm saying

00:41:23.560 that is, so couple those two things together, two pieces of information. What I just gave you about

00:41:28.120 Amazon in terms of its earnings, right? Its revenue, what it's producing. And then what

00:41:34.280 West just gave you in terms of Amazon and its hiring, or the lack thereof. So Amazon reports

00:41:42.000 they laid off 30,000 employees, and then Amazon produces a monster earnings report,

00:41:49.480 beating all expectations, more profitable than ever before. And I think that that really does,

00:41:56.460 right? I know that's just one company, but I really do think that that serves as kind of

00:42:00.700 an encapsulation of what's going on in our economy at large right now, that corporations

00:42:09.040 are becoming wealthier than ever. And I know that this has been going on for a long time,

00:42:13.820 but not to this degree. I think we're now seeing this principle that has been occurring for quite

00:42:22.460 some time, but we're seeing it now on steroids. Corporations with more benefits, more wealth,

00:42:29.140 more production than ever before. But the average American worker, more displaced,

00:42:37.880 more oppressed, poor, can't afford anything. This seems to be where we are. Bill, what do you think?

00:42:48.520 Yeah, I think in the AI part of that, because that frames why those layoffs occurred and why

00:42:54.620 the stock price jumped so dramatically is that they say we can accomplish the same thing with

00:42:58.600 30,000 less workers because a lot of that can be replaced with AI. But I think that's a testament

00:43:04.220 to what we've talked about even in previous conversations, which is that AI has some

00:43:10.640 potential to do positive things, but it also has the potential to massively reshape every person's

00:43:16.400 life in a negative way in this country. Those 30,000 people that lost their jobs are not better

00:43:21.980 off, even though Amazon's stock price jumped up. And you look at actually, we are at a point now

00:43:28.060 hiring plans are the lowest they've been for this year since 2009. With the exception, I should

00:43:34.460 qualify that, with the exception of 2020 with COVID. But we're in a position here where stock

00:43:40.100 prices are going through the roof, and that's great. If you've got money in the market, that's

00:43:44.400 phenomenal. But at some point, you have to take a look at this and say, does this make sense? Does

00:43:51.320 this match to me with what I'm seeing? Companies are laying people off. No one wants to hire,

00:43:56.580 but the stock price keeps going up. And there is this disassociation, I want to call it from

00:44:02.920 reality between stock price, what people expect things to go to and what they are, because we

00:44:08.580 have grown accustomed to, it's just all right, things work out, it's fine. And that's been,

00:44:13.600 I mean, that was essentially through COVID in a lot of ways. Immediately, it was pretty quick

00:44:17.900 when things jumped back and the market rebounded from the initial cut, said, we'll figure it out.

00:44:21.620 But at one point, there comes a reality when the market is so expecting things to not be a problem for people to not have money to spend, to not be able to spend it, but they'll figure it out. We'll print more money. We'll do whatever it might be.

00:44:36.640 But at some point, there's a precipice we reach and we fall into that where it's not all right. And we do see companies all of a sudden mis-earnings, mis-earnings, mis-earnings. And no matter how many people they lay off, they can't fix a broken economy, which is what we have right now. But these are Band-Aids.

00:44:52.920 Okay, well, we'll find a way to get rid of 30,000 people, and that'll make us a little

00:44:56.420 more profitable.

00:44:57.480 And eventually, you run out of Band-Aids, because this is not something we solve with

00:45:00.740 a Band-Aid.

00:45:01.100 This is a massive, fundamental problem with our economy, be it the debt, be it a lot of

00:45:06.880 different things.

00:45:07.540 I mean, even just the structure of the way capitalism is set up right now, where a few

00:45:12.220 companies dominate the market.

00:45:14.020 I think the top 20 companies in the S&P are 50% of all market share.

00:45:19.180 So that's a problem.

00:45:20.460 That's a problem because what that means is that mom and pops, you know, small businesses

00:45:23.700 are being squeezed out and companies, large companies can afford to do that.

00:45:27.600 They can afford to take losses in order to push the little guys out until they drown

00:45:31.920 them and then they start making money again.

00:45:33.840 So all of this to say, these are not, a lot of these things are not good for the average

00:45:38.080 everyday American, but if you're looking at the market, maybe that's fine for you.

00:45:41.620 But at some point, I do believe we see that rubber band snap and that's where, you know,

00:45:46.860 you're really in trouble if you're relying on that.

00:45:48.620 yes i very well said i agree with everything that you just said i'm seeing people in the

00:45:53.700 comments you know the market's going to crash um safest prediction of all time um because you know

00:45:59.680 if you don't specify when because it will happen um it has happened many times before it will

00:46:05.560 happen again uh but but a couple things that i wanted to point out uh one um the market can

00:46:12.520 remain uh irrational longer than you can remain solvent and and in both directions market can go

00:46:19.100 down longer than it than it seems possible it can go up longer than it seems possible if i had to

00:46:24.980 predict i said what you know we'll give a little predictions here um i do think uh that there could

00:46:29.740 be a serious uh correction potentially crash um in the near future that said um i don't see it a

00:46:39.440 lot of people said the spy is going to come up you know these were people back with the tariff

00:46:42.760 scare back in april and they said it's going to be a v-shaped recovery we're going to get all the

00:46:47.220 way up to you know like 690 on the spy and then that's it and and we're done um i'm going to go

00:46:52.800 ahead and go on record and say i think those guys are wrong um we've we've touched you know like

00:46:57.580 688 689 right right around there um this week earlier this week we came down a little bit

00:47:03.240 because of stuff between Trump and Xi Jinping with China,

00:47:08.420 although that's getting resolved.

00:47:10.000 So Trump came out and he's like,

00:47:11.600 one billion percent tariffs on China.

00:47:14.960 And then he's already backed down off of that,

00:47:18.340 which that was expected.

00:47:20.460 Big, big scare right now,

00:47:22.000 although the market has stayed very resilient,

00:47:23.780 but we came a little bit off of some of the highs,

00:47:26.620 was in relation to Fed Powell.

00:47:28.460 He said, good afternoon.

00:47:29.640 And, you know, so we got our 25 basis point rate cut, but then, you know, Fed Powell came out and the big thing that he said, besides just simply good afternoon and him just seeing his face on a screen, I mean, he really does, he is a destroyer of markets.

00:47:52.000 I have to admit, I personally do not appreciate that. I can't wait for him to step down. But in

00:47:58.320 addition to that, he also said the big thing that scared people was he said, all right, you got your

00:48:03.840 25 basis point and the market is priced in. I think it was pulling at like 85, 86 percent,

00:48:09.900 close to 90 percent that people were betting on, you know, another 25 basis point for December.

00:48:16.300 And so, you know, you got your September 25 and then October 25, there won't be a rate

00:48:22.160 cut in November, but then, you know, in December.

00:48:24.480 So three rate cuts this year.

00:48:25.880 That's what the market has been expecting.

00:48:28.080 And FedPAL said, I believe, and I'm going to be, this is a quote or very close to it.

00:48:33.800 He said, a 25 basis point rate cut is not guaranteed for December, far from it.

00:48:42.400 And those words right there, far from it.

00:48:44.660 We started to pull back.

00:48:46.020 Now, honestly, given that, we've still been pretty resilient, but my point that I'm trying

00:48:52.200 to make is this.

00:48:52.860 I don't think we're going to hit 690.

00:48:54.680 We've already kind of hit it.

00:48:55.820 I don't think we're going to hit that and then just go into some crazy crash.

00:48:59.580 I think that the market can remain irrational, including irrational gains, longer than you

00:49:06.000 expect.

00:49:06.940 I think that we're going to continue to see things go up, but eventually, everything

00:49:10.600 that Bill was saying, the one thing that I want to add to that is that Amazon and all

00:49:15.000 these companies, Google, whatever, NVIDIA, yeah, they can replace people with robots. They can.

00:49:21.420 They actually can. And they can have AI do, because I mean, honestly, we have a bunch,

00:49:25.680 we have this managerial class, not just in our government, but in our economy. You have a bunch

00:49:30.100 of people who bring virtually zero productivity to the company that they work for. HR, right? HR

00:49:37.320 departments. I mean, it's literally a joke, right? So you can get rid of all of them. You can get

00:49:41.940 rid of a ton of pencil pushers you know and people are just doing admin jobs and all these

00:49:46.160 kinds of things so you really can continue to lay off thousands and thousands and thousands

00:49:50.140 and and it's like but how can they replace them well here's the secret half of them you don't

00:49:54.220 have to replace it's just busy work um so so companies are going leaner in terms of their

00:49:59.280 workforce and then the people that you do need to replace you can uh well we had a whole team of

00:50:04.340 lawyers well you can replace them with uh ai we had a whole team of this you can replace them

00:50:09.200 but eventually here's the point eventually though if if the american worker is replaced

00:50:14.860 and the companies can produce without them that's possible but what companies can't do

00:50:20.340 is then turn around and have a market to sell their product to if everyone's unemployed no one

00:50:26.420 can buy it nobody can buy their amazon packages so so can amazon keep producing with robots and

00:50:32.840 with chat gbt and with this and with that and like sure they can but the biggest it's if they keep

00:50:39.280 um outsourcing h1b visas and foreign labor that's cheap and supplementing with ai and robots and

00:50:45.700 so it's anti-american labor and then it's anti-human labor they can do all those but here's

00:50:50.960 the fact that still remains uh not just for the worker but think of the the buyer the american

00:50:56.520 market is the most wealthiest market in the world. The American purchaser, buyer, consumer.

00:51:05.900 And if you unemploy Americans at a certain point, there's no one to sell to. And it all comes

00:51:13.500 crashing down. Do I think it's going to happen when the SPY hits 690? Do I think it's going to

00:51:17.980 happen next week? No. Do I think it's going to happen at the end of the year? No. I'll be frank.

00:51:22.960 again, this is not financial advice, I don't have a crystal ball, but if I had to bet, I think we

00:51:28.520 get a Santa Claus rally to own all Santa Claus rallies. I think to the moon, I think to the moon,

00:51:37.100 I think he's going to be crazy. That said, the chickens will come home to roost because God will

00:51:43.220 not be mocked. A man reaps what he sows, and we are sowing bad seed. And I mean biblically,

00:51:51.160 morally bad seed. We are sowing wickedness. Globalism is wickedness. It is a modern

00:51:58.000 Tower of Babel. We know what God did the first time. God is not on our side. He's not with us 1.00

00:52:06.960 as we displace our own countrymen. As we, right before Christmas, say, you know what? We're going

00:52:12.660 to produce great earnings, but 30,000 people won't be able to buy Christmas presents. God is

00:52:18.400 not going to bless that so i don't think that it comes crashing down tomorrow i don't think it

00:52:23.220 comes crashing down this year i think end of the year santa claus rally honestly wanting to be

00:52:27.840 innocent as does but also shrewd as vipers uh you you might want to look into buying some uh some

00:52:33.640 stock uh for the end of the year but beyond that moving forward it could be a month right could be

00:52:41.360 Q1 next year. It could be a year. It could be 2027. It could be five years. But I think relatively

00:52:48.700 soon, if we keep this trajectory, you can produce the world. But if you unemploy the world in doing

00:52:57.760 so, there's no one to sell your product to. It's a very basic economic principle, and it will all

00:53:04.940 come crashing down. Bill, do you agree with that assessment? Yeah, you know, how I often think

00:53:12.580 about finances a lot the same way I think about salvation, let me connect the two. A lot of people

00:53:20.060 will say, you know, you know, when you're when you're out there evangelizing and whatnot, people

00:53:25.160 will say something, I mean, you even if they don't say it out loud, the sort of the pushback will be

00:53:30.120 I'm not ready to change my lifestyle quite yet. In my experience, that tends to be even more of

00:53:37.020 the issue. Very few people, at least, will say that out loud, but that you can tell they're

00:53:41.980 living a life that they know would not coalesce with what would be expected of them, asked of them

00:53:48.320 from Christ. So they really are not willing to make that transition yet or accept the Lord or

00:53:53.640 at least come to believe because they realize they would have to give up a lot. And I almost

00:53:57.680 look at that in a similar vein to finance and how people treat their finances in that a lot of times

00:54:04.360 if we know, because as Christians, we all understand we're going to see Christ going to

00:54:08.980 come back this day of judgment, this day for all of us. So we know that's coming and we don't know

00:54:13.120 when that is. And we can talk and people write books and do all sorts of things, try and guess

00:54:18.200 when that's going to be. But at the end of the day, no man knows. And I look at that similarly.

00:54:22.660 if we look at this economy and we know how this ends, we know that at some point, you know, it's

00:54:28.220 a car wreck, economically speaking, then if I'm a month early, if I'm a year early, if I'm several

00:54:35.800 years early, but I'm not in that car wreck, you know, economic system there, if you were not in

00:54:42.120 the market, you know, 2006 rolls around, you said, you know what, this is too much for me, I'm going

00:54:47.400 to sit out. And then 2008 rolls around and you were two years early to the housing market crash.

00:54:52.660 Were you sitting there in 2009 and said, man, I really could have stayed in for another two years?

00:54:58.220 I don't think so.

00:54:59.000 I think at least not the people that generally I work with.

00:55:02.300 Same thing with any of these big market drops.

00:55:04.700 I mean, you can look back at 01, the tech bubble.

00:55:07.220 And that was even a similar, I think there's some similarities, not exactly the same, but some similarities there to where we are now.

00:55:13.240 And you can look at that and say, were you, I'm sure in the moment, people were, man, I really wish I was in X, Y, and Z.

00:55:20.520 But then when 2001, the market comes crashing down and they say, you know what? No, I made a pretty logical decision that it seemed like there was a lot of downside in front of me and I wanted to protect that hedge against that. So that was the decision I made.

00:55:34.200 And so when I talk to people about this, it's really, to me, and people can make their own

00:55:39.660 decisions, but to me, the conversation is not an if, but a when. And for the people generally that

00:55:47.480 want to protect savings with metals or whatnot, it usually revolves around, I'd rather be a little

00:55:53.520 early than a little late. And that is sort of how I approach this. So there might be a Santa Claus

00:55:59.020 rally. December could be a great month in the market. And for someone like myself who's in

00:56:03.900 metals and has done very very well in metals i look at that and i smile and wave because i turn

00:56:09.240 on the tv you know three months later and you know there's a big market crash and i i also smile and

00:56:14.060 wave none of my business doesn't affect me in that in that same way so that that's you know we can

00:56:19.100 again we can analyze and guess and whatnot but at the end of the day the chickens come out as you

00:56:23.520 said the chickens come home to roost at some point and uh and you know not my problem other people

00:56:29.420 can take those gambles. No, you're right. The principle remains the same and the chickens

00:56:34.360 eventually come home to roost. That's the principle. But we will analyze and predict for

00:56:39.240 fun because it's fun, Bill. We'll do a little bit of that on the side. But the principle is

00:56:43.820 absolutely undefeated. Let's talk gold for a second. I want to tell a personal anecdote.

00:56:50.720 Um, so I had a close friend who has been a incredible, um, uh, just, uh, supporter, uh,

00:56:59.040 of our show.

00:56:59.920 Um, he's like financially, um, you know, helped us tremendously, you know, kind of picking

00:57:05.280 up the, the right response team on his back, you know, and carrying us across, uh, the

00:57:09.800 finish line.

00:57:10.380 And so he has been a major, um, benefactor for this, uh, this show and, uh, and we've

00:57:16.920 been super grateful.

00:57:17.700 And he reached out to me.

00:57:19.060 this was a few weeks ago, and he has seen us do our first, right? This is our third now,

00:57:25.360 but our first interview with Bill. And so he reached out to me personally. He said, Joel,

00:57:30.000 look, I know you're going to have advertisers, right? I'm not going to give you a hard time

00:57:34.360 about that. I get that. Everybody has advertisers. You got to keep the lights on. He said, but shoot

00:57:39.460 me straight. I've supported your ministry. Is this just an advertiser, or do you actually feel good

00:57:46.020 about this company, Genesis Gold. And I told him, I said, not only do I feel good about them,

00:57:52.060 they're all Christians, but I've talked to multiple individuals, higher up individuals

00:57:56.500 that work with the company, and I will connect you. So yes, to answer the question, yes, I feel

00:58:01.600 good about Genesis Gold, but I'll do you one better than that. I will connect you with one

00:58:05.900 of the higher ups with Genesis Gold directly. You can do a phone call with him and talk to him. And

00:58:11.180 so they did. And I was able to orchestrate that meeting. They talked. He felt so good about it

00:58:17.340 that he ended up moving over because Genesis Gold is not just, oh, I have to have dry powder and

00:58:23.020 cash on hand, do this, do that. But you guys are able with mitigating, like completely mitigating

00:58:30.700 penalties to transfer over out of an IRA and different retirement funds, moving to, not that

00:58:37.700 you necessarily can or should do it all. But a portion, if you want to reallocate a portion of

00:58:44.120 your IRA and different, you know, retirement funds and say, you know what, I'd like to

00:58:48.280 not just be in the S&P 500, you know, or certain mutual funds or bonds, but I want to have at

00:58:53.860 least some precious metals because the concept, the principle of gold, literal gold, is all

00:59:01.640 throughout the Bible from Genesis to Revelation. It's a part of God's timeless economy. And so I'm

00:59:06.460 going to hedge some of my bets with God's currency, God's currency. And I don't think

00:59:13.700 that's hyperbole. I'm going to use the biblical currency and the American currency until we stop 0.97

00:59:19.240 being American. So I'm going to do a little bit of that. And so this guy, great guy who supports 0.96

00:59:24.640 this ministry, he did that phone call. I set him up. I said, yes, I feel good about Genesis Gold.

00:59:29.140 He got to talk to one of the higher ups and he was able to answer all those questions and he

00:59:32.840 transferred over half a million um over to genesis gold and then gold went on a tear i mean just

00:59:40.580 to the moon um reached all-time highs what what was it bill it was at least four thousand did it

00:59:46.540 did it kiss above four thousand with gold recently in the last couple weeks yeah yeah um a little

00:59:51.420 little just for for people who've been watching or wondering so we had uh even a run-up into gold

00:59:57.300 you know touched your 4200 this is sitting right now at 4 000 is the little pullback here when

01:00:03.180 people are taking profit before which you know and this is a longer conversation but is really

01:00:07.960 a positive thing from a tech it is you have to write it's consolidation you got to compress right

01:00:13.060 you you scream up then there's distribution some profit taking you compress for a next leg up and

01:00:19.080 so no i do not view the 42 yeah i don't view the 42 down to 4 000 it's like oh this guy is falling

01:00:25.520 it's crashing, sell, sell, sell. That is normal in any market, and especially with gold and

01:00:32.840 precious metals. So I'm with you, Bill. I view that as like bursting through all-time highs,

01:00:39.700 kissing 4,200, coming back to an equilibrium, like a new equilibrium, a new base, kind of carving it

01:00:47.240 like here's our platform now, this is the new base, and getting ready for another leg up, which could

01:00:52.200 be an end of the year going with the stock market, because that's possible. It doesn't always have to

01:00:56.660 diverge and go opposite. So it could go with the stock market. But it also very much could, if the

01:01:02.700 stock market rallies, Santa rally at the end of the year, which I'm predicting, no crystal ball,

01:01:06.740 not financial advice, but I think that's going to happen. Well, if we get a Santa Claus rally,

01:01:11.360 I can guarantee you what we got in 2020. After the end of the year, market rally, what we got 2021,

01:01:17.960 but we got 2024, right? That's when FedPow, I believe it was December 18th. I remember it well,

01:01:23.260 he came out good afternoon, you know, and everything started falling. And so we got it

01:01:29.220 2020, 2021, 2024. And I do not think that 2025 will be an exception to the rule. I think we'll

01:01:35.200 get the rally, but then it will come back down because it'll be a blow off top talking about

01:01:40.960 the market, not gold, but the market. And so I think gold will follow the market into November,

01:01:47.340 or December, or at minimum, gold will hang out around $4,000, get back to $4,200, maybe even

01:01:54.620 carve out a little bit of an all-time high again. But then when the market cools off after a Santa

01:01:59.460 Claus rally and pulls way back, then gold, that might be gold signal to then begin to take off

01:02:06.280 as people are redistributing out of the market into precious metals. So I don't see, personally,

01:02:12.840 I don't see any ceiling for gold, not just, of course, 50 years from now, there's no ceiling

01:02:18.880 for gold. We know that. That's, you know, we know that's how precious metals work. But what I'm

01:02:23.100 saying is, I think, bigger than that. I'm not just saying, hey, gold could go super, super high

01:02:28.840 by the time you're 90 years old. No, I'm saying, I think gold could rock it in the next six to 12

01:02:37.100 months. Honestly, in the next three to six months, but especially six to 12 months. Bill, do you feel

01:02:43.160 like that's fair? What do you think? Yeah, absolutely. So one statistic I always love to

01:02:48.580 point to is just where gold is at, you know, historically compared to adjusted for inflation

01:02:54.320 and whatnot. And because people often look at, you know, they say, is this the same as the 80s

01:02:58.120 when gold, you know, was just going through the roof? And I say gold is still relative to inflation

01:03:02.840 is still much lower than it was in the 80s. So even though obviously it's higher, adjusted for

01:03:07.840 inflation and whatnot, it's actually lower than it was even at those peaks. Now, because the gold

01:03:11.900 obviously gets squeezed here when we've got uncertainty across the world, and people look

01:03:16.680 at what we've got now and say, well, there must be a lot of uncertainty. And there is some of that,

01:03:21.120 but at the same time, there is this overwhelming, it's going to be fine mentality that persists,

01:03:27.980 I think through, and inevitably, as I kind of was mentioning earlier, that will be a

01:03:32.640 tremendous downfall because reactions will be much later than they probably should be.

01:03:39.100 And some of that is just because it's all algorithmically traded at this point. So

01:03:42.860 when major economic news occurs, it's really being filtered by how a computer takes that

01:03:48.700 rather than human. There's some merit to that, but there's also at some point a computer that

01:03:54.040 is tracking data and it says, OK, well, something like these major recessions, it's looking at the

01:04:00.320 grand scale. But we had tremendous years, 60s, 70s, 50s, where for a huge chunk, none of these

01:04:06.280 issues are really things we ever worried about today. So I will say one of the flaws in any

01:04:11.280 sort of algorithmic trading that persists as most of paper, gold and silver and paper stocks and

01:04:19.300 whatnot, is that it doesn't have the scope to understand really that some of this is cyclical.

01:04:24.780 I mean, Rome doesn't exist today, or at least not in the sense of, you know, as a superpower here,

01:04:29.040 we're not using the Denari. And so while a computer may look at these in short sample sizes

01:04:33.920 and say, well, it always kind of works itself out. The genuine answer here is that through human

01:04:39.220 history, it doesn't really always work itself out. And at some point, you know, the cards are

01:04:44.520 on the table and it does see these big crashes. And that's why I talk about whether it's today

01:04:48.760 where it's tomorrow, a month from now, a year from now,

01:04:50.820 it doesn't really matter.

01:04:51.880 So all of that to say, we'll see.

01:04:57.460 It's just a matter of time.

01:04:59.440 So do us a favor here at the end of this segment,

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01:06:29.000 And then what I'm gonna ask from Bill,

01:06:31.320 I just did the points of order, the plug for us.

01:06:34.440 I want him to do it for him.

01:06:35.580 Anybody who heard all the things

01:06:37.180 that we've been talking about,

01:06:38.160 especially in the second segment,

01:06:39.920 and is interested in having a conversation

01:06:43.320 like I was able to set up for one of our major donors

01:06:46.380 with Genesis Gold,

01:06:48.080 If anybody's interested and they want to be able to talk to a rep from Genesis Gold about

01:06:52.020 what it would look like with their retirement funds or reallocating and hedging some of

01:06:58.140 their portfolio in precious metals, where would they go, Bill?

01:07:02.720 Yeah, absolutely.

01:07:03.700 And I think that we've got a link there in the description of the video here that people

01:07:07.880 can click and they just plug that right in.

01:07:10.580 You can put in your information.

01:07:11.840 We're happy to reach out, send you whatever you're looking for.

01:07:13.980 another way you can call 1-800-200-GOLD. You can ask to speak to me directly. If you don't like

01:07:20.080 talking to redheads, that's fine. There's other people you can talk to, but across the board, 1.00

01:07:24.760 really at the end of the day, and I can speak to the client that Joel's referencing there,

01:07:30.000 we're here to help people. I mean, this is sort of the vocation that I've put together.

01:07:35.480 I've worked in and around ministry in the past and now obviously in a finance-focused role,

01:07:40.540 But I see them in a similar vein in that in one, the example that was always given to me, everything we're giving is a blessing from God.

01:07:53.660 And so my job then is to make sure that as God's blessing pours down, I'm just keeping the gutters clean so that that can be redistributed to wherever the Lord has that.

01:08:02.760 So if that's something, if you're looking at the general state of the world and you're saying, I would rather be a little early, I'd rather be protected now rather than later, I'd rather get into something tangible, you're so welcome and invited to give us a call and speak through if this is something that makes sense for you.

01:08:20.660 again there's a url there and i'm sure we'll mention that and then 1-800-200-GOLD

01:08:25.120 mention you came of course from from right response just uh so we can uh you know know

01:08:29.600 where you're coming from and have an idea but would love to talk to anyone that would like

01:08:33.300 information or help on this great so there's a link in the description under the video you can

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01:08:44.520 speak to bill um he's great he's a solid believer um didn't you do your undergrad in biblical studies

01:08:50.580 I did, yes.

01:08:51.320 Biblical studies in Christian ministry.

01:08:53.780 Yeah, so Bill's a great guy.

01:08:55.460 We appreciate him.

01:08:56.400 Asked to talk to Bill.

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01:12:51.800 WRITE15 today. All right, we're back. Our first super chat is from Dapper Dan. He gave us $20.

01:13:00.320 Thank you, Dapper Dan. We appreciate it. He said, on my last comment in the chat,

01:13:05.020 what I was getting at was how today's average conservative woman thinks that any man not

01:13:10.660 able to offer her infinite comfort must be a lib it's covert feminism and materialism all right so

01:13:18.660 i think i know what dapper dan is getting at and i'll uh respond by saying this if you were with

01:13:23.100 us in our last stream right we do monday wednesday friday so our last stream was on wednesday what we

01:13:28.240 did we focus on the topic of tucker carlson interviewing nick fuentes we're responding to

01:13:33.240 that um and just for the record much too many people's uh chagrin they they cannot believe it

01:13:39.880 and they cope and seethe and screech into the void.

01:13:43.060 I like Nick Fuentes.

01:13:44.480 I think he has a lot of good things to say.

01:13:46.080 I don't agree with everything, but I like him.

01:13:48.020 And one of the best parts of the interview in my assessment,

01:13:51.460 Tucker did a great job.

01:13:52.340 I like Tucker as well.

01:13:54.320 I'm not going to cancel Tucker.

01:13:55.820 I believe in free speech.

01:13:57.500 That's not true.

01:13:58.460 I don't believe in absolute free speech.

01:14:01.460 You know, pornography is not speech.

01:14:03.360 It should absolutely be banned.

01:14:05.020 But I believe in free speech.

01:14:07.340 That is actual speech.

01:14:09.060 especially when it's right-wing and when it aligns with the Word of God.

01:14:13.220 So Tucker did no wrong in hosting Nick.

01:14:15.160 I thought he did a great job, but I also think Nick did a good job.

01:14:18.200 And the most interesting part of the interview, the interview heard around the world,

01:14:23.440 in my assessment, was towards the second half of the interview where Tucker was talking about,

01:14:28.580 well, young men, you know, Nick, he's 27 years old, he's single.

01:14:31.760 Young men, they just, they need to get married, right? 1.00

01:14:33.720 They need to man up.

01:14:34.560 spoken as a true 56-year-old man who is insightful and wise and has done a lot of good. Again,

01:14:41.140 super grateful for Tucker Carlson, but also in this instance, completely out of touch,

01:14:46.600 completely out of touch. And Nick responded well by saying, look, here's the deal.

01:14:52.200 The entire judicial system is against men, right? You get married, your wife can divorce you,

01:14:57.420 no-fault divorce. It could be one-sided in many states. You don't even have to agree with it.

01:15:01.540 and the judge, the court system will side with her. You will lose your kids. You will lose your

01:15:05.820 house. You will lose this. You will lose that. And so we were commenting on that on Wednesday,

01:15:10.560 as we did our kind of response video to the Tucker Nick interview. And we said, I said that

01:15:15.540 it's likened to Pharaoh, who says to the Israelites, bricks, but no straw. And that's

01:15:22.760 kind of where we're at as a society when it comes to men and women. When it comes to men and women,

01:15:28.240 we will still kind of echo the patriarchal sentiments of like the man needs to provide,

01:15:35.320 he needs to protect, he needs, and I'm talking about conservatives right now. I'm not talking

01:15:39.280 about progressives. I'm not talking about gay furries. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking 1.00

01:15:42.840 about, you know, Big Con, right? Big Con Inc. Conservatives. The conservatives will say, well,

01:15:48.400 one of the things that makes us conservative is that we're patriarchal or at least, you know,

01:15:52.060 patriarchal-ish. We recognize that men are different than women and men are called to

01:15:56.360 provide. They're called to protect. They're called to do all these kinds of things. But there's not

01:16:00.280 really an acknowledgment that men still bear under God, this is true, responsibility, but they have

01:16:08.020 been robbed of every ounce of authority, right? And I use the example of a police officer. Serve

01:16:14.780 and protect. There's the duty, the responsibility. Badge and a gun. There's the corresponding rights

01:16:20.920 and authority to carry out the responsibility men today are expected by conservatives to bear the

01:16:28.980 same weight of responsibility protect and provide but with very little if any of the corresponding

01:16:36.860 authority in order to carry out that responsibility it is the conservative movement today by and large

01:16:43.940 is demanding from young men bricks without straw and i think that's what dapper dan is getting to

01:16:49.780 And he's saying that conservatives in many ways, they're also, even for young conservative women, they're setting them up for disappointment by telling them that they can expect a man to provide for them and to provide infinite comfort, to provide at a very high level, but to do so how?

01:17:06.360 in an economy that has garnered massively male wages by foreigners and, here's the irony, 0.61

01:17:16.960 hiring women. Because we live in a feminist economy, men make half in terms of actual 1.00

01:17:24.640 purchasing power, half, and that's generous, the wages that they used to make even just a few 1.00

01:17:30.340 decades ago because we've said you go get them sweetheart put on the pantsuit boss babe get in

01:17:37.880 the ring show your worth and then now big con conservative groups are doing rallies and

01:17:46.000 conferences with women in pantsuits telling other women we're conservative we're patriarchal and so

01:17:52.640 you what does that mean that a man has authority you should submit to him well no it never means

01:17:56.660 that. What it means that women are going to be held accountable for their own shortcomings and 0.96

01:18:00.940 failures. No, it never means that. It means we're conservative and patriarchal that men still have

01:18:05.680 every ounce of responsibility that the Bible says so. They must protect and they must provide. And

01:18:10.480 provision means they need to be rich. And that's what you can demand as a woman when you're looking 1.00

01:18:16.100 for a husband. That's what you should expect. And when he says that, well, he can't be rich because 1.00

01:18:22.600 there's literally no jobs that actually give a fair wage uh well he's just making excuses and

01:18:28.740 he needs to man up uh that's you know that was a rare tucker l i mean he kind of yeah whether 1.00

01:18:34.980 you're tucker carlson or ali bestucky our powers united both you know uh closeted feminists and

01:18:41.420 and uh that's that's my opinion tell us how you really feel that's how i really feel uh nick i

01:18:46.260 think did a good job in standing up to that respectfully he wasn't rude but saying uh

01:18:50.140 okay boomer um no no uh that is not correct so i think that's what dapper dan was getting at

01:18:56.340 and i would say uh dapper dan you are absolutely right um some of these are going to be for bill

01:19:01.120 and some of them maybe won't specify but we'll turn it to you bill but that one had nothing to

01:19:05.740 do with the episode today so i i went ahead and took that one wes you want to go ahead and read

01:19:09.080 the next all right this dude rocks long long time support a great guy ten dollars he said this

01:19:14.700 congrats on your recent shout out that was on nick's show last night he said we should go check

01:19:18.820 out joel follow him doing great work really appreciate that he asked what would you say

01:19:22.900 the differences between nick fuentes and cory mauler are they seem similar to me although

01:19:27.380 fuentes is definitely funnier yep that is a great question because i'm going to answer that one too

01:19:33.200 because a lot of people say well wait a second um you know you've mentioned joel that you would

01:19:37.980 be willing to do something with nick but you haven't said that about cory you know um i i have

01:19:42.900 you know in recent episodes because of the super chats at the end and wanting to honor them if you

01:19:47.040 send us a super chat, we're going to answer. And so I actually have given a little bit more

01:19:50.920 specification in regards to Stonequire and Corey Mahler. And specification in the vein of saying,

01:19:57.240 I believe that he's a brother in Christ. I refuse to call him a heretic until I see some heresy. 0.87

01:20:03.080 I need some heresy if I'm going to say something like that. But he does hold views that I think

01:20:08.160 are wrong. Okay. But views that I think are wrong are not necessarily heresy. I think that

01:20:13.820 continuationists are wrong, but that's not heresy, right? So we have to be able to do theological

01:20:20.960 triage, and we have to not lose our minds and be emotional and dramatic. Corey upsets lots of

01:20:28.700 people because he talks about race, and race is very much a taboo subject. But what is the

01:20:34.280 difference? Why have I been, so number one, I'm not anathematizing Corey Mahler, although I do

01:20:39.300 think that some views are problematic, a serious problem. But if you're kind of picking up, it

01:20:45.780 sounds like the super chat is picking up. Joel, it seems as though there's like more openness

01:20:49.480 to a Nick Fuentes than a Corey Muller. What's going on with that? This is what I would say

01:20:54.420 theologically, in terms of soteriology, these kinds of things. There's going to be more overlap

01:21:01.660 with us, with Corey Muller, than there is with Nick. Corey Muller is a Lutheran. Corey Muller

01:21:05.880 is Protestant, Nick is Catholic. So I have much deeper disagreements theologically in that regard,

01:21:13.020 soteriology, ecclesiology, these kinds of things, much deeper disagreements with Nick than I would

01:21:18.240 with Corey. But here's the deal. I'm not really interested in either of those subjects, soteriology

01:21:24.900 or ecclesiology, in regards to any potential collaboration with a Nick or Corey, right? Like

01:21:30.580 I'm not going to have Corey Mahler come on the show to talk ecclesiology or, hey, you know what,

01:21:35.180 let's talk about salvation, right? That's just, you know, we have those conversations. There's

01:21:39.500 other guys that we get to have those conversations. So if you're talking about, you know, Corey or

01:21:44.080 Nick in the realm of, let's just be honest, it would be in the realm of Israel or race or, you

01:21:49.780 know, politics, culture in a broader sense. It's not going to be, you know, theology of soteriology.

01:21:54.960 That's just not what it's going to be. So in that realm, right? So now the Catholic thing kind of

01:21:59.080 goes to the wayside. If we're talking politics and culture and not theology, right, we're talking

01:22:04.480 race or our America's, you know, partnership with Israel, those kinds of things, right? Not 0.54

01:22:11.080 soteriology. If we're talking about that, there actually are objective, definitive distinctions

01:22:17.800 between a Nick Fuentes and a Koi Mahler. Nick actually has a softer view. Nick says things in

01:22:27.300 a certain way that can be highly offensive. I mean, the guy shot up into the stratosphere at

01:22:33.820 17 years old, in his parents' basement, he's not in their basement anymore, but there was a time,

01:22:39.220 shot up into the stratosphere as a single 17-year-old young man. Everyone hated him,

01:22:45.480 couldn't get on an airplane, lost his bank accounts, was deplatformed from every social

01:22:50.040 media platform there is, and so he leaned in and played the heel, right? There was kind of like a

01:22:56.180 joker moment, right? Some men just want to watch the world burn. He leaned into that. He played

01:23:00.480 into at heart. And he's admitted that. And I've talked to him about that. And, you know, there's

01:23:07.180 still some of that. Some of that is his brand. Some of it's his style. And some of it comes

01:23:10.860 actually from conviction, convictions that I personally disagree with, but he actually has

01:23:15.000 a rhyme and reason. It's not just arbitrary. It's not just ridiculous. He actually is like,

01:23:18.840 no, Joel, there's a strategy here. Trust the plan, you know, that kind of thing. And we can

01:23:23.380 agree to disagree. But a lot of the hardest moments, right, the best hits, which are, you

01:23:29.100 know, the most notorious hits from Nick Fuentes back in the day. I think some of those things

01:23:33.540 have changed as he's gotten older, as he's matured. That's the rhetoric. But in terms

01:23:40.160 of the actual positions, the actual positions, Nick Fuentes does not believe. So I'm being real

01:23:48.500 honest. You asked the question, I'm giving you an answer. Nick Fuentes does not believe

01:23:52.420 that Clarence Thomas has to go back to Africa.

01:23:56.700 Corey Mahler does, right?

01:23:59.080 You're asking me, well, what's the difference?

01:24:00.420 Why, you know, why Nick Fuentes?

01:24:02.580 Look, some of you are, I just got to be honest, 1.00

01:24:06.200 you are behaving as hysterical women. 1.00

01:24:10.320 Tucker Carlson hosted Nick Fuentes 1.00

01:24:12.060 and you lost your mind.

01:24:15.320 But if you can pull back the hysteria for a moment,

01:24:19.380 like grab a seat, drink a glass of water,

01:24:21.340 you know uh breathe into a paper bag a few times if you need to and i'm talking sadly to men right

01:24:27.100 now but if you can if you men can stop being hysterical for just a moment and view it

01:24:33.520 objectively right take take all the clips from nick fuentes answering his super chats where

01:24:39.080 he's being bombastic take that aside and just look at the positions look at the positions 0.59

01:24:44.660 um nick's position is that um black people should stop committing crimes and be upstanding citizens 0.99

01:24:53.080 and if they don't then they should be in prison and white people also for that matter uh cory 0.99

01:25:01.080 maler's position is that every black person in america can never be an american they all need 0.99

01:25:08.000 to be loaded up on planes or ships and taken back. So I'm just saying, right, regardless of 1.00

01:25:14.720 your opinion, right, you might agree with one or the other. I'm just saying I have more in common

01:25:19.480 with Nick, okay? If you're wondering, well, where are you at on this, Joel? I believe that a heritage

01:25:25.500 American is somebody who on both sides of the family is third generation American or on one

01:25:30.640 side of the family is fifth generation American. I do believe that assimilation is possible.

01:25:37.060 Often, it doesn't happen because it's not even attempted.

01:25:39.820 There are many people who have come to our nation since Hart Seller Act over the last 50, 60 years 0.76

01:25:45.440 who have no intent whatsoever to assimilate, to be American in any stripe or form or fashion whatsoever. 1.00

01:25:55.920 That's got to stop, and millions do actually need to go back. 0.66

01:25:59.300 But if we're talking about people who can track back their ancestry in this country, on this land, for 400 years,

01:26:06.440 and are not being criminal, regardless of the statistics and their overall demographic. They

01:26:11.960 are some of the exceptions. They are upstanding citizens. They are working a job. They are paying

01:26:16.940 taxes. They are Christian. And they can track back their ancestry 400 years, like a Clarence

01:26:23.060 Thomas type. I'm going to say that he is an American. He does not have to go back. And I,

01:26:29.240 for one, will go on record and say, God bless him. And I'm grateful for him. I'm grateful for

01:26:34.900 Clarence Thomas. Nick would say the same. I would say the same. Corey Mahler would compare him to

01:26:40.500 pigs and has done so on Twitter. So there's an objective difference in our position. Again, 0.96

01:26:47.400 not anathematizing, not saying, and therefore Corey Mahler is going to hell. No, I understand

01:26:53.400 that rhetoric offends people, but it is not a theological argument. You have to actually give

01:26:58.780 me an argument from the scripture that merits heresy okay so i think cory's wrong i'm not at

01:27:07.560 the point where i would call him a heretic but on the positions of culture not soteriology not

01:27:13.360 ecclesiology culture and politics particularly in the vein of race which is a very very very

01:27:20.280 spicy sensitive issue right now um i would have actually much more in common not so much the style

01:27:27.840 or the rhetoric of a Nick

01:27:29.300 but the actual positions of Nick

01:27:31.680 I think are tenable

01:27:32.740 and I will say it publicly

01:27:34.280 and people can blast me all they want

01:27:36.300 but I think that Nick's actual positions

01:27:39.260 not always his wording

01:27:40.460 but his positions on Israel

01:27:42.740 on Jews

01:27:44.080 on race

01:27:45.240 on politics

01:27:46.520 I think those positions

01:27:48.860 because he was self-controlled

01:27:50.220 he did a great job

01:27:51.140 not the rhetoric

01:27:52.240 but the positions actually manifested themselves

01:27:54.640 on Monday with Tucker Carlson

01:27:56.060 and I think that's precisely why all the neocons are freaking out right now. Do you know why they're

01:28:01.520 freaking out? Because Nick is just so terrible and so dangerous. No, it's because he was disciplined,

01:28:08.080 he was strategic, he was well-spoken, and the reason why the neocons are losing their minds

01:28:14.660 is because they know that his positions are actually quite moderate and compelling, and they

01:28:22.200 know that um not that nick is unhinged and ridiculous right because you're not worried 0.95

01:28:28.100 about unhinged and ridiculous people they're worried because they're starting to realize 0.94

01:28:32.640 uh-oh he's actually quite reasonable he's actually quite persuasive and he's probably going to win 0.93

01:28:41.400 buckley is actually in the final analysis going to lose buchanan is actually going to finally

01:28:49.520 get his turn and this young mexican irish italian man who started his career in his mom's basement

01:29:00.120 and was blacklisted from everything cancel culture has now ended he's getting his five minutes of

01:29:05.960 fame and he's kind of nailing it oh snap oh snap so that's my answer to the question long answer

01:29:13.400 per usual but this dude rock said you know what you know what what's the difference between cory

01:29:18.460 Mueller and Nick Fuentes, there's actually, I think, a stark difference. Theologically,

01:29:22.840 Protestant-Catholic. But in terms of culture and politics, Corey Mueller is actually much further

01:29:30.080 than Nick Fuentes, right? Both of them realize, okay, race is real. And here's some of the things

01:29:36.800 that we should be aware of and we should acknowledge. But then in terms of solutions,

01:29:40.840 Corey's solution is no non-white person can be here or ever attain citizenship or even be here. 0.76

01:29:53.360 Nick does not hold that position. And that difference to me matters immensely. Call me a 0.78

01:30:01.080 lib, but I'm going to side with Nick. I think it's the more reasonable position and Christ-honoring

01:30:07.460 position that contains realism. It's honest. It's courageous. It's not just lying and pretending

01:30:14.500 that everybody's the same, but it also encompasses compassion. I think it's the winning position. I

01:30:21.020 think it's the right position. Okay, next question. Hopefully something for Bill. I'll give this one

01:30:25.560 to you, Bill. This dude rocks sent another $10. If you could restructure the United States of

01:30:30.780 America's setup with regards to the state sovereignty in relation to the federal, state

01:30:36.200 sovereignty versus federal sovereignty, what would you do? Would you rearrange it to something

01:30:40.320 else like many secessions? What do you think, Bill? Yeah, absolutely. I think taking power

01:30:46.220 away from the federal government in general is always preferable. I think that it's not even

01:30:52.160 reasonable that we have so much federal power when you talk about how big the United States is.

01:30:57.120 I mean, frankly, I don't want the policy from California and all the people they have

01:31:03.440 influencing, you know, middle America or other places in the world that if they want to go be 0.60

01:31:07.900 insane and be crazy, that's fine. They can do that. But but it shouldn't we should be able to 0.84

01:31:12.520 be separate from that if we want to be able to be in places here where we can be sheltered from

01:31:17.640 that more than exists now. And I mean, again, we talk about larger just federal like EBT and

01:31:23.680 whatnot. I don't want my I want to be in a state here or be able to be in a state where we can more

01:31:28.540 control what my tax dollars do. I'd love to be able to choose where my tax dollars go. If I have

01:31:34.380 to pay taxes, I would love to be able to say, these are things that I'm okay paying taxes into.

01:31:39.100 I'll pay the same amount of taxes, but I want them going to X, Y, and Z, not going to crazy 0.91

01:31:43.920 transgender reassignment, all sorts of things. So yeah, absolutely. I would say the general 0.64

01:31:49.020 restructuring, I mean, obviously we can remain one nation, but I would say a dramatic restructuring

01:31:54.940 of power away from the federal government and into state level that would be probably my short

01:31:59.520 answer there robert lee i was going to say he warned exactly about that he said if the north

01:32:04.020 is successful in their war of aggression then they will become tyrannical at home and despotic

01:32:08.180 abroad they were all seeing hey if the federal government grows and grows and grows and grows

01:32:12.320 and can demand these things of states they're going to be tyrannical they're going to take

01:32:15.700 your money to give it to people that won't work to eat oh here we are here we are okay king jerd

01:32:23.080 He asked, how many rounds should I carry when I go grocery shopping tomorrow?

01:32:28.140 All right.

01:32:28.380 First thing you got to consider is where are you grocery shopping?

01:32:31.540 If you're going to Costco or Walmart or Aldi's, and personally, I'll be honest, I like all three.

01:32:39.160 But if you're going to those three contexts, I'm a 30-round kind of guy, right?

01:32:44.640 You've got one that's already in the gun.

01:32:47.580 Then you got two more on the side, each one 10 rounds.

01:32:50.140 So I would say, you know, honor the Lord, 30 pieces of silver with you ready to fire off if needed.

01:33:00.240 Hopefully that doesn't happen.

01:33:01.360 But in all seriousness, you are called to provide and protect.

01:33:06.900 And there's really, you know, there's few times that you get to do both at the same time.

01:33:11.280 Provision with the groceries, protection with the 30 rounds.

01:33:16.080 Tomorrow could be your big day.

01:33:17.080 Also, here's another thing. Maybe don't go grocery shopping tomorrow. Maybe it would have been great to go grocery shopping this past week in preparation and then hold off a little while. But in all seriousness, I would carry. Do not let your wife and children go alone for the next little while until things get ironed out.

01:33:39.460 and i also would uh pick certain times of the day i would not be going you know like on a friday

01:33:45.800 night or something like that um i would be wise and maybe try to hold off um yeah just just exercise

01:33:53.300 discernment exercise wisdom okay west next one all right cool dude sent five dollars said uh

01:33:58.440 griper but i hardly know her that's actually kind of funny it is all right uh micah bloomquist

01:34:05.720 just sent a question in very briefly did you see nick fuentes shouted you out and highly

01:34:10.340 recommended your content this would have been on last night's show yeah last night's show um

01:34:14.120 i don't know if i if it was possible for me not to see it because i woke up today you know with

01:34:19.560 a ton of people uh hopping on and following um following me on both uh twitter and on youtube

01:34:26.580 and also a bunch of friends you know send to me um you know send to me you know clips uh the clip

01:34:32.860 from his show. So yes, I did see that, and I've already said it publicly, and I think Nick has

01:34:38.660 said as much. We have had conversations over this past year, and a lot of people are going to hate

01:34:46.100 me for it, but here's the deal. They're going to hate me, and I'm not going to be able to win

01:34:49.100 them over. You can't win them all. I remember an older pastor once told me years ago. He said,

01:34:54.660 Joel, you always have to disappoint someone, but in God's grace, you get to choose who.

01:35:00.380 You always have to disappoint someone.

01:35:02.640 So the idea of, well, I'm not going to disappoint anyone.

01:35:05.200 Well, that's just not reality.

01:35:06.920 So you always have to disappoint someone, but you get to choose who.

01:35:10.360 And what I've determined for years now is that there's a short list of people that I, by God's grace, refuse to disappoint.

01:35:18.620 I'm not going to disappoint my wife.

01:35:20.180 I'm not going to disappoint my children.

01:35:22.200 I'm not going to disappoint my local church and the members there.

01:35:26.980 um so there's there's people that i'm not going to disappoint uh but then there's a lot of other

01:35:31.780 people where you know you gotta you gotta choose i can either disappoint um a bunch of people who

01:35:39.020 come to know and love our our content over the last six months um and uh and turn out to just

01:35:45.220 you know to be a lib and a mush and a you know buckley i you know and i can disappoint all of

01:35:50.700 you guys um or i can disappoint a bunch of other people who are hoping that i would fall in the

01:35:56.400 footsteps of you know some boomer pastor and you know continue to say uh there's only one race a

01:36:02.780 human race and we're colorblind and but you know so i i gotta disappoint one of those groups uh i

01:36:08.440 have chosen and i think i've made that abundantly clear over the last year um or so maybe even

01:36:13.240 longer uh that i'm going to disappoint that latter group i'm going to disappoint uh the the neocon

01:36:18.640 buckleyite kind of um um you know there's no such thing as race uh we're all colorblind we should be

01:36:26.000 I'm going to disappoint that group. So all that being said, I kind of made a conscious decision

01:36:31.380 a while back. And so in light of that, I kind of was a little bit of an early adopter.

01:36:39.940 Very early this year, I believe it was February. I just, I don't have a lot of gifts, right? I'm

01:36:47.800 a pretty unremarkable man in most ways. But one thing that I feel like the Lord has given me

01:36:55.120 is the ability to see things before they happen.

01:36:58.640 That's why I kind of like predictions

01:36:59.860 and those kinds of things.

01:37:00.920 I can be wrong.

01:37:01.960 I'm fallible just like everybody else.

01:37:05.260 But I remember it was February

01:37:08.240 and I just realized, oh, I get it now.

01:37:12.260 I didn't get it.

01:37:13.080 I didn't understand.

01:37:14.360 You know, I had heard the name like most people,

01:37:16.460 Nick Fontes, and heard the rumors

01:37:17.820 and didn't really have an opinion one way or the other

01:37:20.300 because I never really looked into anything.

01:37:21.900 um but but it shifted from just here's a voice here's here's here's a uh a personality to

01:37:28.720 wait i think something's about to change and i told wes and others and west west agreed west

01:37:34.060 was one of the guys who kind of turned me on um to you know to looking in this direction but you

01:37:39.020 know a bunch of you know guys who are close and friends and you know some of the guys at our

01:37:43.020 church you know we basically just realized like um like it or not um this man is going to make a

01:37:51.820 a like like generational comeback and people can't see it yet but it's going to happen

01:38:00.100 he's going to be mainstreamed he's going to break out of containment um because we could just see

01:38:06.980 the way that the culture was going cancel culture was dying um you know and and we realized okay

01:38:12.200 like we it's just not logical to think that tucker is going to you know just just launch

01:38:17.240 to the stratosphere and candace owens and this person and that person and and uh you know the

01:38:22.780 sentiment of americans especially young americans towards israel like by the day you know israel

01:38:28.540 going lower and lower in the polls and and then to think that nick fuentes wouldn't get any of

01:38:34.740 that momentum when he's been banging that drum for a decade um and so we just kind of saw the

01:38:40.260 writing on the wall and everybody sees it now you know so everybody's hitting him up hey will you

01:38:44.860 come on my show or, you know, this or that or the other. Um, but the reason I was able to kind of

01:38:49.760 build some relationship with Nick was, uh, because it was before he went on Tucker, before he went

01:38:56.660 on PBD, uh, before he went on Candace, before he, uh, went on Elijah Schaefer, before he went on

01:39:03.340 Hodge twins, before, you know, um, any of that, uh, February of this year, um, we saw it before

01:39:10.120 it was we saw it before it was everybody can see it now um but we saw it and and so i i reached out

01:39:18.660 and um and just wanted to let him know that uh that i was praying for him and uh that although

01:39:25.120 i disagreed with some things that i thought he was doing um a lot of good and encouraged him and

01:39:29.980 um yeah so so kind of went that direction and um and i think i think it's safe to say without

01:39:38.420 trying to be self-serving or arrogant we were right so that's my response good answer five

01:39:46.240 dollars from c runner 1277 sent two super chats actually a judge named talwani just issued a

01:39:53.380 ruling that the fedgov must use contingency funds for the snap program the contingency funds are

01:39:57.960 funds that are left over from the previous year that could be used for the administration of it

01:40:01.640 the problem is they don't actually cover the full amount so it's not really clear here

01:40:05.180 I mean, it's 5 p.m. on Friday, benefits expire tomorrow.

01:40:09.780 It's not really clear here how that'll actually be used, how the administration could even do it.

01:40:14.400 But a woman named Talwani said it has to happen, so I guess it has to happen.

01:40:18.500 What do you think about that, Bill?

01:40:21.960 I didn't quite hear the question. I apologize.

01:40:24.820 It wasn't a question. It was a comment.

01:40:26.420 they said a judge named uh taiwanee just issued a ruling that the fed federal government must use

01:40:33.220 contingency funds for snap program what what do you think um the outcome of that will be any thoughts

01:40:40.620 i mean i i think it's just more of the same you know judicial overreach i think this is uh you

01:40:47.240 know kind of the tried and true method at this point i i hope nothing comes of it i mean i hope

01:40:52.240 this gets fought and you know but at some point we kind of and i think we talked about this earlier

01:40:57.600 is this idea that at some point you know trump needs to have that moment where enough is enough

01:41:02.480 and we're not you know constantly uh you know allowing these things to occur at some point

01:41:08.320 you say no that's just not going to happen otherwise and i i was even thinking about this

01:41:13.200 in regards to even some of the way the tariffs have gone in that there has been a lot of

01:41:18.640 of capitulation. I get it. Trump's a dealmaker. I fully understand that. But if people, even if

01:41:24.640 it's purely in their heads, believe that they will win or gain traction by holding out, I mean,

01:41:29.440 even the fact that we're having this shutdown right now, in some ways, if every Democrat

01:41:35.740 understood for a fact that Trump was never going to cave, there would be no point for a holdout.

01:41:40.400 It would be a pointless endeavor entirely. But I think there is at least some understanding among

01:41:45.680 some people that that they can hold out longer than Trump in this way, or at least in the sphere

01:41:51.500 of public opinion. And so I would say, you know, at some point you have to do away with that in

01:41:56.960 the in the for the greater good. So, I mean, what ends up happening? Anyone's guess. I would hope

01:42:01.640 that that is not the case, because these are these are the necessary results of the situation

01:42:07.720 we're in. And if we're not ready to pay those costs, so to speak, then, you know, we should

01:42:12.260 have folded this hand a while ago otherwise you play a hand to the end well said all right uh this

01:42:18.900 is from this dude rocks he gave us five dollars and he said is there a steel man for the orthodox

01:42:24.000 view of uh infused righteousness that's also the roman catholic view um that righteousness is

01:42:29.420 infused uh rather than um imputed right so uh a steel man for the orthodox or catholic view

01:42:37.540 of infused righteousness, I'm trying to understand, he says, seems not so different from

01:42:42.460 imputed righteousness, which is the Protestant view. I would say that the steel man is the

01:42:47.380 traditional Reformed Protestant view. I'm thinking of Lutherans, I'm thinking of Anglicans, and

01:42:52.320 to a certain extent, I'm also thinking of the Presbyterian tradition. And so what I mean by

01:42:57.060 that is that if you're looking at the classic traditional Reformed Protestant view, I understand

01:43:03.180 that Lutherans are not reformed in the technical sense, but older classical Protestant views,

01:43:09.060 I think that is the steel man. And what I mean is that they hold the line definitively of imputed

01:43:16.460 righteousness. However, when they look to the sacraments, they absolutely affirm that the

01:43:22.920 sacraments are means of grace, right? That they actually do transfer grace. So when you're looking

01:43:32.900 at the classical Protestant view, you believe that Christ, who is always present with believers,

01:43:41.160 even if you're on a deserted island all by yourself, and especially present when two or

01:43:46.360 three believers gather in his name, that's what he says in Matthew 18, that this Christ who is

01:43:51.600 always present with individual believers, especially present with two or three believers

01:43:55.360 when they gather in his name, is even more, all the more present in the supper. And Protestants 0.53

01:44:02.880 again, the classical Protestant position believes this. The Lutheran position is that Christ is with

01:44:08.600 and over and under, you know, beside his presence, spiritual presence, not physical,

01:44:13.560 but there is a unique, special, heightened spiritual presence of the risen Lord that

01:44:19.320 accompanies the sacrament of the Lord's Supper, and to, you know, varying degrees also baptism.

01:44:25.400 And even beyond that, within the classic Protestant tradition, that would be attached

01:44:29.500 not quite as explicitly but still implicitly to things outside of the sacraments like

01:44:35.900 you know the ordinary means of grace still being conferred with preaching or with worshiping the

01:44:42.520 Lord through song or prayer or you know other things besides just baptism the Lord's Supper

01:44:47.620 so I personally obviously I'm biased as a Protestant but I would say that the steel man

01:44:53.080 of the view that grace is infused through sacraments. That's the implicit part. Infused

01:45:01.080 how? Through what? Sacraments. That's the Catholic position. That's the Eastern Orthodox position.

01:45:06.440 I would say that the steel man is the Protestant position, which is that grace is not infused

01:45:12.380 through sacraments, but rather it is imputed through faith, imputed through faith, but that

01:45:18.000 the sacraments are still means of grace. And so grace is transferred. A measure of grace is

01:45:26.360 imparted. There is a measure of grace that is imparted a heightened, special, powerful, potent,

01:45:35.080 spiritual presence of the risen Lord Jesus with the supper, with baptism, to some degree with

01:45:42.340 the preached word, with the word as it's preached, as it's sung in spiritual songs and hymns and

01:45:49.500 psalms. And that is the Protestant position, is that the Protestant position we affirm means of

01:45:57.280 grace. And we do not believe that faith is the only means of grace. So we believe that faith

01:46:03.820 is the exclusive empty hand that lays hold of grace in a salvific way, that faith is the exclusive

01:46:11.980 instrument that receives grace in a salvific way, emphasis on salvific way. But we do believe that

01:46:19.060 grace is transferred through means of grace, and that that is significant, and that that does

01:46:26.060 matter. So transferred grace through the ordinary means of grace, the classic partisan position

01:46:33.000 affirms, but we would not call it infused in any salvific way, like baptismal regeneration

01:46:41.900 that actually saves an infant at the moment of baptism,

01:46:47.180 but then as they age and commit certain mortal sins,

01:46:50.600 they then fall from a state of grace

01:46:52.500 and then have to be reinstated through confirmation

01:46:55.180 and other sacraments along the life of the believer.

01:46:58.760 That is not the Protestant view.

01:47:01.140 That said, the steel man would be the classic Protestant view,

01:47:07.240 although we don't believe that an infant is actually brought up from death to life 0.84

01:47:14.280 into a state of grace at the moment of paedo-baptism, we do believe that baptism does

01:47:21.500 transfer, not infuse, but transfer a special sense of grace because of a unique Christ who

01:47:31.420 is always present with all believers, is uniquely or especially present, spiritually present in the

01:47:38.640 ordinary means of grace, and that every believer, Protestant believers, we've lost this. Protestants 0.93

01:47:44.120 have gone too far. We've lost this sense that I need the regular, and I would argue weekly partaking

01:47:51.620 of the Lord's Supper, and the regular weekly sitting underneath the preached Word, and the

01:47:57.840 regular weekly singing corporately psalms and hymns and spiritual songs and prayer. I need those

01:48:04.420 ordinary means of grace on a regular weekly basis to spur me on to love and good works, to help

01:48:11.120 preserve me in my salvation. But ultimately, the salvific grace, the initial salvific grace of

01:48:19.660 salvation, conversion, justification itself, we do believe is imputed, not infused, through faith

01:48:27.280 as the instrument that lays hold of it.

01:48:29.860 That's how I would answer it.

01:48:31.080 Wes, what do you think?

01:48:32.800 Yeah, he says it doesn't seem so different.

01:48:34.940 It's a metaphysical distinction.

01:48:36.800 So think of infusion of grace as continuous,

01:48:39.680 so you can have more grace, less grace.

01:48:41.540 That's why the Catholic emphasis on, for example,

01:48:43.660 the seven sacraments.

01:48:44.780 You have all these different means of grace that infuse it,

01:48:47.420 and as Aquinas would write,

01:48:48.460 they help to elevate man above his natural concupiscence.

01:48:52.280 Protestants think categorical.

01:48:53.840 So you have continuous with infused.

01:48:55.380 I need grace infused to elevate me higher and higher and higher to be more like God.

01:49:00.580 Keep you afloat.

01:49:02.300 Yes.

01:49:02.600 As you start to sing, float, float.

01:49:04.560 And that comes from Aristotle, the chain of being.

01:49:06.620 Protestants say, no, it's categorical and covenantal, your righteousness.

01:49:10.220 So that would be the distinction between the two that's real and substantive.

01:49:13.820 Well said.

01:49:14.340 Okay, this next one is from CNRB, Christian Nationalist, Reformed Baptist, 1689.

01:49:20.740 He says, do you have any suspicion with Erica Kirk?

01:49:25.380 Well, as a policy, when it comes to my public rhetoric, I'm going to be exceedingly charitable

01:49:33.300 and respectful and kind towards a widow, a Christian widow. That said, yes, I have some

01:49:42.880 suspicions. Okay, next. Mitch Massey sent two super chats. The first one, $40. Thank you, Mitch.

01:49:48.340 Very generous. Philippians 114, I'm sure the great man is coming. This ministry helped push

01:49:54.560 the Overton window to prep the way.

01:49:56.600 Thanks, men.

01:49:57.160 Thanks for being courageous again and again.

01:49:59.360 Thank you for the encouragement

01:50:00.260 and thank you for the support.

01:50:02.140 Mitch Massey sent a $100 super chat

01:50:04.180 right after in this one with a question.

01:50:06.700 Why no Christmas tree in your church?

01:50:08.560 What is the conviction I can't adopt?

01:50:10.760 I like that.

01:50:11.260 He's taking his thinking and he's saying,

01:50:12.700 I need a position on this.

01:50:14.520 Would you just go ahead and fill yours in for me?

01:50:16.160 Yep.

01:50:16.740 So I think we said this on Wednesday,

01:50:19.120 I actually would do a Christmas tree in the foyer, right?

01:50:23.000 right or a classroom or something like that the entrance you know um i would not have a christmas

01:50:28.220 tree in the sanctuary i also would not have an american flag in the sanctuary i would not have

01:50:32.500 an israeli flag within a 10 mile radius of the building um you know so i i think that there are

01:50:39.220 things that are good that christians should affirm uh respect esteem um but but the concept

01:50:45.940 the principle is worship.

01:50:48.740 And part of this is the Protestant ethos.

01:50:52.700 The worship is, we can have high church.

01:50:55.040 I think Protestants have lost that. 0.93

01:50:56.400 And even our local church is trying to get back to that. 1.00

01:50:59.780 I actually, Wes, you'll be happy to hear

01:51:01.100 that I made some tweaks to the liturgy for this Sunday

01:51:05.940 that we have talked about.

01:51:07.320 So we want to have a sense of reverence

01:51:12.080 and a high church sense of liturgy, but at the same time, you can have high church in terms of

01:51:21.200 your liturgy, your order of worship, the way that you worship, and yet there is within the

01:51:26.900 Protestant tradition still at the same time a divine simplicity. And that might be confusing

01:51:33.940 because it makes me, you know, it sounds like I'm talking about theology proper, you know,

01:51:37.480 like God without parts. But what I mean is a holy simplicity to our worship. The Protestant can

01:51:44.380 worship with a cathedral, and if he can, I think he should. But if he can't have a cathedral for

01:51:50.300 whatever reason, the Protestant can technically worship rightly, right worship, worship in spirit

01:51:56.260 and in truth, in a field with water, bread, wine, and two or three Holy Spirit indwelt believers.

01:52:05.360 right um and we can do church and it can be high it can um it can include a sense of fear and

01:52:13.000 trembling and majesty um it can be liturgical um but also at the same time simple so when it comes

01:52:19.880 to the elements of worship is theologically uh the phrase the elements of worship uh we believe

01:52:26.320 that the elements of worship is bread wine water bible scripture um and then the people of god and

01:52:34.540 And so I don't really want anything in our worship that distracts from that.

01:52:40.440 I don't want images in our worship.

01:52:42.560 If we want to have in the foyer or in my home, right?

01:52:47.640 Perfectly fine with this at a personal level, my home.

01:52:50.320 If we want to have nice, tasteful paintings of certain saints, I think that's great.

01:52:58.760 if we want to have a christmas tree in celebration of the birth of our savior i think that's great

01:53:06.820 in the sanctuary right so i'm i'm i'm distinguishing now not just church the church

01:53:13.120 premises or the building but in worship in that quarter of the church namely the sanctuary where

01:53:20.440 we worship on the Lord's day in spirit and in truth. I want the saints, a Bible, bread, wine,

01:53:29.380 and water. That's what I want. High church in terms of the manner of our worship, the liturgy,

01:53:34.820 but the elements of worship, a divine simplicity, a holy simplicity that makes much of Christ and

01:53:43.180 does not deter or distract from him. If a church has Christmas trees in December in the foyer,

01:53:50.440 no harm, no foul. And honestly, uh, we're, we're kind of leaning towards it ourselves. Okay.

01:53:57.180 All right. Thanks again, Mitch, for the support. Swinters 007 sent a $10 super chat.

01:54:03.120 Uh, Bill, I'm going to go ahead and pitch this one to you. Nathan, could you just minimize zoom

01:54:06.560 there? So I'm able to see. Okay. Bill has to build. Thanks for being a guest. You did a

01:54:11.880 fantastic job as always. This is our third time. Third time's the charm. Thank you for coming on.

01:54:16.280 thanks guys take care god bless god bless okay ten dollars from swinters oh seven go ahead wes

01:54:23.760 all right are the times of my generation so gen z in this case this would be about 30 years and

01:54:28.800 younger 30 years and younger objectively fundamentally much worse than the prior

01:54:33.340 generation seems to be that way but curious to what degree we might view the past with rose

01:54:37.660 colored glasses that's a that's an astute assessment that it's very easy to say everything

01:54:42.000 was perfect 40 years ago and to be honest it wasn't uh there's an objective metric that i

01:54:46.900 would throw out just to you can objectively say this change and that would be the ratio of median

01:54:52.040 income to median wages and i don't know exactly what it was then but it was close to something

01:54:56.860 like your annual your home cost maybe twice what you took home annually annually so not income to

01:55:03.780 wages but um income to homing median house costs costs yeah okay so imagine you made seven thousand

01:55:09.200 dollars not adjusted for inflation then on average median income to median home cost it was about

01:55:15.760 maybe twice as expensive so seven thousand dollars i took home a year my home itself cost

01:55:20.560 fourteen thousand dollars that ratio has exploded median wages have not grown as much as medium home

01:55:27.080 cost so now it could be four five six seven times the amount you can make 120 thousand dollars and

01:55:33.320 your home to live just in a decent home in your area not super nice not a ton of land that could

01:55:38.100 be a $600,000 home. So I adjusted going back to the 60s, the 70s. Oh, I make $120,000. I live in

01:55:45.720 a nice, affordable, spacious, $240,000 home. Nope, $600,000. So on that one alone, housing, which

01:55:53.340 I mean, you live in your house, that is your daily experience. It is objectively much, much,

01:55:58.440 much, much harder to afford a good home. Yep. I would say housing, also healthcare,

01:56:02.640 that'd be another. Yep. Yep. That's, that's the difference. So economically speaking,

01:56:06.320 winter's 07 um yeah it's just there's there's no ifs ands or buts about it uh objectively harder

01:56:14.260 um to simply survive economically today and that economic uh element plays into your ability to

01:56:23.160 marry your ability to have children all those other things so in in that sense alone um it is

01:56:28.580 much harder. This comes from Cody Lee Galeon. He gave us $10. We appreciate that, Cody. Thank

01:56:38.680 you. He said, I listened to you and Nick. I lost track of him for a long time, but I'm grateful

01:56:45.540 to come across your movement and I should be able to come to the conference, our Right Response

01:56:51.180 Conference with my family this next year. Thank you for being faithful and courageous. You are

01:56:56.640 very welcome, Cody. We appreciate that. And then he followed it up with five more dollars. Thanks

01:57:00.860 again, Cody. He said, sorry for the misspelling. I am parking my 18-wheeler. No problem. We

01:57:07.080 appreciate it. That brings us to the end of the Super Chats. And it also brings us to the end of

01:57:11.280 the episode and the end of this week and the end of this month. So here we are at the very end.

01:57:16.940 And Lord willing, we will see you on Monday, which I believe will be November 3rd. So November 3rd

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01:57:51.640 try to stay away from the grocery stores godspeed

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