The NXR Podcast - THE LIVESTREAM - Elon Musk Forms New Political Party ｜ Will It Succeed？ (w ⧸ J. Burden)

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00:00:30.000 so elon musk is officially launching a new political party he wants to call it the america

00:00:35.920 party basically it's a new tech right party fracturing politics on the right as we know it

00:00:42.080 further and further i said recently at our conference that my prediction many people said

00:00:48.540 hey you know what i think we're kind of through the eye of the storm and a lot of the division

00:00:53.840 and fracturing might be finally behind us and i think that most of it is actually ahead of us

00:01:00.600 the reality is this division and petty squabbles and fracturing and balkanizing these kinds of

00:01:07.540 things are actually a luxury of the side that's winning in the macro 30 000 foot view when we 0.70

00:01:15.160 were on the ropes 2022 in many ways was kind of the high watermark for the left gay rainbow flags 0.99

00:01:22.460 on everything, transing all of your kids, parents are losing their kids to the state, having them 0.95

00:01:27.700 hijacked and taken away. BLM was ruling the day. That was kind of, you know, the right, the 0.67

00:01:35.080 conservatives were on the ropes. And at that time, we needed all hands on deck and people were just

00:01:40.760 kind of in survival mode and willing to be co belligerents with people that otherwise they

00:01:45.800 wouldn't have that much in common with. But because Trump has won the recent election so handedly,

00:01:52.460 Now, I think part of what we're seeing is that those on the political and cultural right have realized that we now have the afforded luxury of picking our particular convictions, particular virtues.

00:02:06.340 And so what's happening is a further fracturing.

00:02:09.460 MAGA will probably not be quite as broad as it once was.

00:02:14.340 And Elon Musk is a big part of kind of leading the way with this fracturing on the right.

00:02:20.560 The problem is, although he's calling it the America Party, first and foremost, he is not

00:02:26.200 American. He may be an American citizen and in many ways at great personal cost. He did a lot

00:02:32.560 to try to help our country. And for that, we are appreciative. But at the end of the day,

00:02:37.700 the guy is a South African. What does it mean to be an American? Is the America Party going to be 0.97

00:02:43.740 made up of h h1bs and south africans and a bunch of people who aren't actually american is it just 1.00

00:02:51.760 the paypal mafia and the tech lords fracturing the right and into oblivion infinity over and 1.00

00:02:59.060 over and over again these are the things that we're going to discuss today and we've invited

00:03:03.240 a special guest jay burden to join the show so tune in now

00:03:13.740 all right welcome back yep i love the time thanks yeah i don't often do a tie but when i do

00:03:24.040 when i do maculate it's a good time yeah great well uh we're pleased to join uh jay we both went

00:03:30.060 on your show in the past couple weeks i think you should definitely check those out we're pleased

00:03:33.900 to have you on the show for the first time uh thanks for coming and if you could just introduce

00:03:37.640 yourself and a little bit of what you do yeah sure guys thank you so much for having me on

00:03:43.280 So my primary output is the Jay Burden show.

00:03:46.740 It's an interview show.

00:03:48.000 Obviously, I've hosted both Joel and Todd here.

00:03:52.460 But point is, right, I primarily talk to different figures on the right.

00:03:57.460 While many of them are Christian, not all are, but certainly in conversation with many

00:04:01.380 of the same ideas that you guys mentioned in your work.

00:04:04.520 Cool.

00:04:05.160 Awesome.

00:04:05.860 Well, I'm going to dive right in.

00:04:06.980 I'm going to lay a little bit of the context here, Jay, just in the past month or so.

00:04:10.920 So if you're tuning in, you've got 10 minutes, what are the most important things that I need to know about the America Party?

00:04:16.300 But then I'm going to toss it right back to you for a little bit of the history, because this is an idea that has been around for a long time, right?

00:04:22.500 How many times have we heard after every election?

00:04:24.440 I think it was with Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, there was a big, it was either the Libertarian candidate.

00:04:30.460 I know there's Andrew Yang at one point of people saying, I don't like either option presented to me.

00:04:34.760 We should make a third party.

00:04:36.820 And just a month ago, Elon Musk, and practically, guys, the reason this matters, he's freaking rich.

00:04:43.480 He has $400 billion.

00:04:45.440 Lots of people have had the idea of we need a third party.

00:04:48.580 We need someone that represents us.

00:04:50.140 We need to start something else.

00:04:51.600 The difference with Elon Musk is that he owns one of the world's biggest news social media platforms, and he's worth $400 billion.

00:04:59.120 He's powerfully influential.

00:05:00.860 And just a month ago, June 5th, he put out a poll and he said, should a new political

00:05:04.820 party be formed that represents the middle 80% of Americans?

00:05:09.020 And he's kind of getting at this idea that the Democrat Party really, it only represents

00:05:12.720 10% of Americans.

00:05:14.180 They're hyper left.

00:05:15.520 They're woke.

00:05:16.220 They're progressives.

00:05:16.960 They'd be closer to Marxists or communists.

00:05:19.260 Then you have the hyper right on the right side.

00:05:22.120 And he seemed to think 80% of Americans, they're kind of in the middle, medium sized

00:05:26.380 government, less taxes, cutting spending, all of that. And so he put that poll out a month ago.

00:05:32.620 The response was for most of the participants that he should do it. How many of that was India,

00:05:38.200 Philippines, South America? How many of those were actually Americans? I would estimate less

00:05:42.780 than half, if not less than a quarter of them. But the poll said it. And Elon Musk is a big

00:05:47.620 believer in Vox Populi, Vox Dei. The voice of the people is the voice of God. And so he said that

00:05:53.960 he's going to start it he's going to have an initial kind of inaugural ball but this party

00:05:58.940 is going to not just represent it's very difficult to make the assertion that's representing American

00:06:04.880 interest and we'll get to that kind of in the second segment but most certainly is kind of in

00:06:08.780 a long line of the rise of the tech right and so Jay I'm gonna invite you on just to take it up from

00:06:13.680 there the tech right and really where all this started not just this year but kind of been in

00:06:17.960 the works for a while, wouldn't you say? Yeah, definitely. So this sort of begs the question

00:06:24.260 of what motivates political change and not to get too much into the finer points of this,

00:06:30.940 but effectively things change when rich people and powerful people want them to change.

00:06:37.780 So initially the tech section of the economy was completely and totally subservient to

00:06:44.680 traditional finance capital, right? We think of Wall Street as who we're talking about,

00:06:50.160 which had been in the broad context of the 20th century, a roughly right-wing aligned block.

00:06:58.080 That changed with Obama. Obama successfully won over a large portion of Wall Street to his

00:07:05.080 coalition. And so for the tech guys, this sort of proved to be uncomfortable because effectively

00:07:12.100 the source of power, the way that these tech billionaires are billionaires, is that they need

00:07:18.760 highly competent people to do difficult things. Now, look, I'm not going to pretend that being

00:07:24.900 the CEO of Twitter is the same as being the CEO of American Standard Oil, right? It's not a

00:07:30.540 physical product in the same way. But they need competence as sort of the fuel to drive their

00:07:36.680 economic engine. Obviously, this ran into woke policies dramatically. If you are required to

00:07:45.120 hire certain people simply by virtue of how they were born, that doesn't do very well for a company

00:07:51.140 that, as we've seen with X, can run on half a dozen highly competent people. So there were

00:07:58.040 already sort of these signs that the tech faction of the economy was splintering away from the

00:08:04.640 Democrats. Another part of this was the way that Democrats leaned on lawfare to accomplish their

00:08:12.960 goals on social media. You may remember over and over and over again, the former CEO of Twitter,

00:08:19.320 Jack Doherty, Mark Zuckerberg, the CEO of Facebook being dragged before these sort of liberal

00:08:25.660 inheritance over and over and over again to answer for the crime that was the 2016 election.

00:08:30.840 And a lot of them got threatened with antitrust or with nationalization, threatened with very

00:08:38.420 scary things for someone whose massive net worth is dependent on a single company.

00:08:44.900 So the early signs of this have been going on for about 10 years, that tech would move

00:08:50.780 away.

00:08:51.720 Now, somewhat similarly, we've seen the rise of figures like Curtis Yarvin and Peter Thiel,

00:08:57.260 They call them dismissively in liberal media, like the Silicon Valley tech bros, who are flirting with more reactionary thought.

00:09:07.540 So it was somewhat of a surprise, but if we look at the broader context, not entirely so, that Elon Musk would endorse Trump.

00:09:16.820 Now, a personal detail about Musk that bears mention is, one, he is of South African extraction.

00:09:23.580 obviously if you are South African you have seen what shall we say radical egalitarianism does

00:09:31.360 taken to its logical conclusion and also he had one of his sons transed he had one of his children

00:09:38.760 sort of stolen from him and clearly that made him very angry but this does not a conservative make

00:09:45.860 if you look at him he very much is a sort of 90s libertarian right he's anti-woke but he's by no

00:09:53.040 means a social conservative. We see this in the platform of his new party. Now, obviously,

00:09:58.680 going back to sort of the recent past, Elon endorsed Trump. He was seen at almost all of

00:10:05.960 his events. And it's just sort of memed with iconic images like Elon jumping up and down

00:10:10.720 next to Trump on stage. And to give him credit, he went to work at the Department of Government

00:10:16.300 efficiency, devoting an incredible amount of his very valuable time to solving the deep state,

00:10:23.380 to solving the bloat. Now, I want to say that Elon Musk is not necessarily synonymous with the tech

00:10:30.560 right. There are other figures I mentioned, Peter Thiel among them, who are not necessarily aligned.

00:10:38.400 Peter Thiel is sort of a mentor, might be too strong a word, but closely connected to Vice

00:10:43.640 president, J.D. Vance. And as we mentioned earlier, this sort of tech faction is in relative

00:10:50.640 terms a new faction in politics. Traditionally, at least in the last 20 years or so, the Republicans

00:10:57.480 have had two factions, sort of the military industrial complex slash Israel lobby. Those

00:11:04.480 are not entirely the same, but for the sake of discussion, we'll bundle them together. And

00:11:08.680 domestic energy concerns, right? Someone like Rex Tillerson. And so we sort of starting to see the

00:11:14.500 birth of a new faction. And with that new faction, right, obviously there are these growing pains.

00:11:22.180 So Musk devotes a great deal amount of time to Doge, decides to leave, and very quickly starts

00:11:28.560 sort of taking pot shots at Trump. He had this, as the kids say, flame out on Twitter, X, excuse me,

00:11:35.420 where he said Trump is on the Epstein flight logs that we have now been assured do not exist.

00:11:41.340 But regardless, he said all sorts of crazy things about the president, retracted them.

00:11:46.340 And now, this is the most recent development, he's starting the America Party.

00:11:51.420 So as you've said earlier, this is sort of a moderate party.

00:11:56.740 The problem is, right, who does this represent?

00:12:01.320 And you teased earlier that it seems to be the favorite of H-1B visas, of sort of recent arrivals. 0.55

00:12:08.400 But really, the problem is, and why I don't think this will go anywhere, if you are an immigrant, you have a party that is promising you much, much more, the Democrat Party.

00:12:18.880 If you are anti-immigration, you have a party that is offering you much, much more.

00:12:23.800 And so look, is there a fraction of people for whom this is exactly what they want?

00:12:28.660 Yes.

00:12:29.000 how large is that fraction? That is up for debate. And so to be honest, and maybe this is sort of

00:12:35.760 spoiling the conclusion of this whole stream, but I don't think this is going anywhere.

00:12:41.160 Musk personally doesn't seem to be, shall we say, the most devoted to a single project over time.

00:12:47.080 We see all of these sort of, honestly, even him buying X, right? It was supposed to be

00:12:52.940 a new free split platform. And several years later, if you say certain things, you can still

00:12:59.600 very much get kicked off. He is no longer actively managing that. So much similar to Doge. He is no

00:13:06.200 longer actively managing. There are sort of all of these different projects. And as we've already

00:13:11.580 seen, this tumultuous relationship between Trump and Musk has had multiple chapters to it. He's

00:13:17.720 complained and then he's taken it back. And so I don't mean to discount the man because obviously

00:13:24.280 he's very competent and has accomplished a great deal with his intelligence. But I think that both

00:13:31.160 on the level of, is this a project Musk can devote himself to for long enough for it to be a force

00:13:36.540 in politics? I think that is unlikely. And given that, right, let's say he does it. Will that be

00:13:42.680 a meaningful force in the US election? I also say no, but I'll kick it back to you guys.

00:13:47.720 I like that angle and I want to pick up on how you said the growth of the tech sector, it was fundamentally incompatible with kind of an old way of doing life.

00:13:56.560 And that old way of doing life, for lack of a better term, is nepotism.

00:14:00.160 You start a business, the business is successful.

00:14:02.700 Sure, you could go shop around, you could take in resumes from all 50 United States and say, who would be best to be CEO or the operating officer of this company?

00:14:11.540 But the traditional way of thinking was, I pass this down to my son.

00:14:15.400 My sons take this business.

00:14:16.740 Now, again, that doesn't necessarily maximize your shareholder value. It doesn't necessarily help make you an international corporation. But there was this sense of continuity. And tech is ultimately opposed to that. But it's interesting because on the other side of things, if you take that kind of groundless, deracinated approach too far, if you take that too far, you get diversity politics.

00:14:37.960 And then what you do with diversity politics is it's, well, 25% of your workforce has to be black, 25% has to be Indian, 25% has to be women.

00:14:46.400 And so on both sides, when you take it too far on the woke side, it's like, wait a second, this doesn't actually work.

00:14:52.540 And then when you, at the same time, you're trying to do tech, but do it the classical American manufacturing way, you also end up with it not working either.

00:15:00.520 And so tech by its very nature, not being a real product, I mean, software as a service.

00:15:05.400 you could take adobe acrobat sell it for 50 quite literally a billion times it doesn't take energy

00:15:11.260 it doesn't take capital you're just duplicating an installable file and so the growth of the tech

00:15:16.340 sector like you said with obama he kind of captured wall street has created this middle ground where

00:15:21.320 you have millions and millions and millions of americans and and what do they make that's a

00:15:26.360 value like tech helps our lives but it's not necessarily a real product and the most profitable

00:15:31.820 tech company this is fascinating by revenue by employee the most profitable tech company is

00:15:36.480 only fans it requires like 30 some people to run a platform that is full of perversion so we're

00:15:42.480 saying the end goal the ultimate tech company even compared to nvidia per share what does it make it

00:15:48.320 preys on people's most based based desires their most primal their most sinful desires and so this

00:15:54.700 showdown with the tech world that we created in the last 20 years that was really profitable

00:15:59.800 giving people three hundred thousand dollar salaries out of college has now created a middle

00:16:04.520 party kind of not really on the mega side definitely not on the left side but it's probably

00:16:09.500 going to end up splitting the vote yeah they've left the left um or the left left them either way

00:16:14.840 but a lot of it was i think financial reasons uh taxing and um the left just going crazy with um

00:16:22.740 you know overriding free speech and those kinds of things suppression of speech but the right

00:16:27.860 you know a true rights especially like a paleo conservatism doesn't fit at all because you kind

00:16:34.260 of i don't know for me i'm a practical guy so i i tend to think of okay who are the type of people

00:16:39.520 that are attracted to this world like who is the software engineer who's the guy who's you know

00:16:45.220 working you know with the paypal mafia and now is working for this company or that company and

00:16:51.900 by and large i'm sure there are some guys who are truly right-wing and you know got their little

00:16:58.180 homestead and live you know on a rural plot of land and have a wife and six children i'm sure

00:17:03.580 there are some of them and i'm sure they're stand-up gentlemen but by and large um a lot of

00:17:09.160 them are probably foreigners um or you know maybe second at most third generation immigrants and

00:17:18.200 and then some of them who are you know heritage americans are still you know they're living in

00:17:23.620 the high-rise you know apartment in san francisco or now in austin or wherever it may be but they're

00:17:30.080 they're city folk they're not really necessarily connected to anything tangible anything physical

00:17:35.580 anything real they're not connected to the land and that really does change a person's psychology

00:17:41.240 i mean they've done studies about you know the voting patterns of individuals based off of how

00:17:46.340 far away they live from the ground you know like if you live on the 20th story of you know some

00:17:53.080 high-rise apartment building um you are not conservative uh it's very unlikely uh versus

00:18:01.000 you know people who actually spread out and have some land and actually touch grass you know there's

00:18:06.140 actually something to do that it's not just a cliche you know without getting into grounding

00:18:11.240 and things like that but there might be something to that too so the point is um yeah i i think

00:18:16.160 that you know this type of party the type of person who it's attracting um is you know they

00:18:21.860 don't like the left because of the suppression of free speech because of the taxation because

00:18:26.700 of those kinds of policies economic policies but they don't really agree with true american

00:18:32.580 conservatives um because they're not true american conservatives they don't agree on on some of the

00:18:37.980 cultural um and sociological issues and so i i just think that uh yeah that represents probably

00:18:44.840 a very powerful elite group, but I don't think a very large group. And so in a democratic system,

00:18:51.620 I don't think they're going to do very well. I think they can probably raise a ton of money

00:18:56.080 and probably put out a lot of different propaganda and make a splash, make some noise

00:19:02.540 because of high profile elite status and financial wealth and all those kinds of things. But in terms

00:19:08.860 of representing a wide swath of people, I think Jay Burden's right. I don't think it's going

00:19:13.660 anywhere. All right. Well, just one thing to add. I think it's important to, when we talk

00:19:26.400 about conservatives, draw a distinction between what type of thing we are conserving. Are we

00:19:34.500 conserving the people, the culture, the thing that made America what it is, or are we conserving

00:19:40.420 its institutions. And effectively, what Musk has said, and you see this from certain kind of post

00:19:48.820 IDW thinkers like James Lindsay and others, is the idea that the essence of what America is,

00:19:53.620 is the institution of the American market, right? Some sort of sort of sloppily construed version

00:20:01.260 of free market economics. That is the core of what it is to be America. America is the best

00:20:06.740 strip mall ever made. And if you are, like us, primarily interested in preserving the people

00:20:13.700 that give rise to certain institutions, well, both of you are conservatives. You are both striving

00:20:19.760 to conserve, to preserve something. But fundamentally, you are going about completely

00:20:24.380 separate goals. And I think that as we see the Republican Party transform into something more

00:20:31.340 nativist, something more protectionist with regards to economics, that faction of the party

00:20:37.520 that was primarily interested in sort of stoking the economic engine, right, of keeping that number

00:20:43.500 ever growing, that GDP line going up, those people might well be feeling disaffected. Now,

00:20:51.060 one of the things that I think is very important to mention is that the MAGA movement is sort of

00:20:55.340 a cult of personality. I don't say that in necessarily a disparaging way, but the Republican

00:20:59.980 party has for good or ill become synonymous with one man, Donald J. Trump. And that has driven an

00:21:07.240 immense amount of people into that tent, right? Many people who didn't vote, both the kind of

00:21:12.060 classic example of working class whites, but also young voters, right? Particularly young male voters. 0.75

00:21:20.260 And look, Elon can say meany things and repeat things that are funny on the internet,

00:21:25.340 which may well win him some support, but he does not have the same pull, the same magnetic

00:21:31.720 personality that you would need to lead an insurgency in that way. I mean, look, I like

00:21:38.200 Musk more than the average person. I think he's kind of funny, right? His sort of semi-autistic

00:21:42.880 rant about salt caves that you may remember from a few months back about where we store all of our

00:21:47.960 government pension information. That was kind of funny, but that does not a politician make.

00:21:52.540 obviously he can't run for any number of reasons, but there is no real heir apparent. There is no

00:21:59.240 face to this. And this is a problem we've seen in other countries as well, right? The right in

00:22:05.880 the UK is absolutely fracturing. There are all these new insurgent right-wing parties sort of

00:22:11.980 countering their, in our vernacular, kind of rhinos, right? The conservative party. But these

00:22:18.620 are all one, incredibly fractious. And two, if they don't have a central figure, they're nothing.

00:22:25.120 And again, this is something that I don't see Musk solving quickly. We know his friend,

00:22:31.120 someone like Vivek, for example. And he's not someone who goes over with the kind of voters

00:22:38.960 you would need to attack the Republicans from the right. Yeah. Yeah. I think the thing about Musk,

00:22:46.020 and it seems a little bit reductionistic to boil it all down to religion

00:22:49.920 and say this one key aspect that's off explains everything.

00:22:53.680 If you think even about his, be it Neuralink and be it the ability to,

00:22:57.840 with the human brain and the body, do things that would not be capable,

00:23:01.080 or even going to Mars, he has an outlook for humanity

00:23:03.960 that is ultimately, it's about as good as it can get, but it's without Christ.

00:23:08.280 Like he is pro-natalist.

00:23:09.360 He wants to fix the problem of the declining birth rates.

00:23:12.760 He's pro-human beings.

00:23:14.120 it's funny way back on early on if you read his biography from i think it's oliver isaacson

00:23:18.500 he's arguing with the ceo of google because the ceo of google says if life makes the jump to

00:23:22.940 silicon who cares and elon musk is like hey no i actually care about humanity but even still

00:23:28.160 without christ and without that theological outlook you see elon musk and you say what's

00:23:33.080 your goal for humanity and it's like we're widgets but we're widgets in the stars we go

00:23:38.040 to mars and we traverse we build all these amazing things but you kind of ask the question for what

00:23:43.460 okay we've gone and we've done this and and what do we have at the end you can achieve a goal but

00:23:48.700 realize in the process of it you lost your humanity so we could ship millions of people

00:23:53.160 to mars and we could strip cobalt and whatever other rare metals they are and bring them back

00:23:57.900 to earth and it's like but but what do we have to come home to we have teslas that feel like and i

00:24:03.300 have a tesla and i love it but i mean it feels like a robot it's not your dad 76 chevy so you

00:24:09.400 go home to cars and homes and technology and living spaces that are artificial. They're not

00:24:14.920 connected to the land. They're not connected to our past. And so without Christ, without saying,

00:24:20.380 hey, what's the chief end of man? Well, first and foremost, it's to glorify God and to enjoy him

00:24:25.020 forever. You end up with a kind of dystopian. We all have chips in our brain. We live on different

00:24:30.500 planets where we have to use masks to breathe the air and terraform the atmosphere, where I think a

00:24:35.940 lot of the traditionalists and a lot of those that look back to our European origins, first of all,

00:24:40.680 for America, the founding fathers, the Puritans, we say they had a much different outlook for

00:24:45.300 America. And it wasn't focused for sure on GDP, but it also was positively focused on the worship

00:24:51.320 of the true God, the productivity of the home, the flourishing of the nation. And without that,

00:24:56.740 and also without being American, I think Musk misses a lot of that.

00:25:01.020 Yeah. Let's go to our first commercial break and we'll be right back.

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00:29:05.300 all right so welcome back we talked in the first segment jay burning grave an excellent overview of

00:29:12.940 really this this tech right the tech faction part of it just because our economy grew on

00:29:17.920 technology in the last 20 years and so it's been a conflict that's kind of been simmering under the

00:29:22.260 surface and now elon musk has the means he has 400 billion dollars he has the means he has the

00:29:27.640 platform he has the voice and he has the influence to actually make this third party viable now the

00:29:33.640 reason third parties don't work for example libertarians well what if we all just went in on

00:29:37.460 the libertarian candidate well the problem is in a bipartisan system where you have democrats and

00:29:42.620 republicans is that reasonably speaking you would need to get 50 plus one of a given house of

00:29:48.480 representatives of given senators in a state of given representatives across the nation to actually

00:29:54.180 begin to actually positively legislate your agenda so if you were the libertarian party you're like

00:29:58.940 we want to cut taxes all across the United States. Well, you'd have to win about 220 seats across the

00:30:05.200 United States. That's in the House of Representatives. You'd have to win about 50 senator slots across

00:30:10.640 multiple races because senators aren't up for reelection every term. 50 senator slots, then plus

00:30:16.120 one, obviously, either the vice president. In short, it's basically impossible in our bipartisan system

00:30:21.060 for a third party to come in and to positively legislate. And Musk sees this and he's a smart

00:30:26.100 guy. And so this is what he's aiming to do. And Jay, I'm really interested in how you think this

00:30:30.640 will practically play out. And so in early July, he stated this. He says, here's the deal. We're

00:30:35.500 not going to focus all across the United States. We're not going to run, you know, 100 Senate

00:30:39.080 candidates, 400 House of Representative candidates and a presidential candidate. At one point, he's

00:30:43.820 even suggesting we might not run a presidential candidate. What he is going to do is say target

00:30:48.260 two to three Senate seats and eight to 10 House district. And what those districts would do if he

00:30:53.800 were to win is they would decide contentious votes. You saw this over the weekend with the

00:30:57.900 big, beautiful bill. Basically, the Republicans, they wanted to get this bill across. They could

00:31:02.740 only lose three votes. And so if you can imagine a block of just five votes, be that five

00:31:07.940 representatives, two or three senators, interestingly enough, they would actually have the power to

00:31:12.760 kill legislation. And so they could say, this won't pass without our approval. We are the

00:31:18.320 American party. We're for reduced spending. And so we're going to say until this comes in under

00:31:23.260 this level or estimated to be lower than this amount of spending, they could actually kill

00:31:27.840 legislation. So Musk's goal is not to create a party again, competes for every House seat,

00:31:33.120 competes for every Senate seat, but very targeted and attempting to kind of hold the keys such that

00:31:38.360 one party wouldn't have above. In the Senate, you need 50. In the House, it's about 218, 215.

00:31:44.120 You just wouldn't have that vote and you would need that party's buy-in. You would need to go

00:31:48.460 to the American party and say, we will keep the deficit low so we get your support on this.

00:31:53.940 Jay, you already played your hand a little bit in saying you're not sure how it'll work out.

00:31:56.900 The constituency might not be there.

00:31:58.780 But what do you think?

00:31:59.320 Highly targeted, kind of being that deciding vote.

00:32:02.160 What's the best case scenario maybe for how that goes?

00:32:06.580 Yeah, so this is something we see across Europe.

00:32:10.340 Probably the best, most universal example is the coalition of green parties,

00:32:14.700 which are, as you can imagine, not quite the sort of single-issue parties focused on the environment.

00:32:20.680 And generally, those tend to be part of left-wing coalitions. So you'll have your main center-left party in the UK, right? You'll have Labour. Then you'll have the Greens, who are a much smaller party, but still needed to get certain bills over the line.

00:32:39.360 And generally, those tend to be, and the example of the Greens, in kind of hyper-partisan areas, like their college towns just sort of translate.

00:32:50.420 And they certainly do get some of what they want.

00:32:54.800 Now, those countries are set up much differently than ours.

00:33:00.380 They tend to work off of, obviously, the UK, like a prime ministerial system where you don't necessarily vote for a man.

00:33:07.680 you vote for a party, selects a man. So obviously we have had third parties in the U.S., but not a

00:33:16.460 very serious one in a very long time. To the point about could Elon Musk do this? Again, if there was

00:33:24.600 ever someone who was going to, it would be him. He has effectively limitless resources. Although

00:33:31.380 one of the interesting things and perhaps the real motivation behind this split, not to read

00:33:38.280 too much into it, is an immense amount of his personal valuation is tied up in Tesla. Now,

00:33:45.420 Tesla has obviously been taking a beating as far as their public relation because of his association

00:33:51.340 with Trump from their primary, I guess you would say, user base, which is people who want electric

00:33:58.300 cars and care some about the environment. Now, obviously, this must come down as a quote-unquote

00:34:03.460 Nazi. That's gone away. Now, certainly, there are some Trump supporters who are buying

00:34:08.580 support of Elon, but he seems to have broke that bridge, which again, leaves his store of wealth

00:34:15.720 vastly diminished as sales will go down. But another part of this is that one big, beautiful

00:34:22.400 bill has radically slashed the government subsidies to electric car manufacturers and

00:34:28.880 also slashed the regulation on the auto industry. There's a very real debate to what degree electric

00:34:35.660 cars are a real product, right? Would they be profitable? Would people want to buy them if

00:34:41.080 there weren't nearly $10,000 in federal tax credits, if there weren't all of these artificial

00:34:47.360 benefits. Now, the reason I bring that up is because when we say Musk has $400 billion,

00:34:53.000 we don't mean that he has a bank account with that in the zeros. That's sort of a current

00:34:57.600 estimation of his net worth. Now, what we saw when he tried to buy X is that liquidating that

00:35:03.640 net worth is a very difficult thing to do. Interestingly enough, he didn't outright buy

00:35:08.680 it. He bought a large portion of it, and there were outside investors who poured in their money.

00:35:12.820 So the point is, if Tesla takes a big hit, which it already has, the subsidies go away, furthering that, how many resources can we pull from?

00:35:26.120 Still a lot, right?

00:35:27.620 Still an immense amount.

00:35:28.960 We've seen Ross Perot relatively recently with much less money to accomplish a great bid, but still, right, that means that his prospective forecast is going down.

00:35:40.400 Now, let's scale this against the actual requirements.

00:35:45.580 Just, I'll use one example.

00:35:49.600 AIPAC paid Ted Cruz about a million dollars a year, plus or minus.

00:35:55.000 Not directly, of course, but we understand how Washington works.

00:35:58.600 And he is, as evidenced by his interaction with Tucker Carlson, among others,

00:36:03.480 slavishly devoted to our greatest ally.

00:36:07.160 Heavis Perry was there.

00:36:09.020 So if it takes a million bucks to own a senator, maybe it takes a little more than that to install your own.

00:36:16.860 But Musk could, if he were going about this differently, just result to straight up bribery or legalized bribery.

00:36:24.760 So the point is, that would be doable.

00:36:27.640 The ability to push senators his way one way or another or the ability to simply airdrop candidates in, he will have the money to do that.

00:36:36.480 But the question comes back to you is, is there an electorate in order to do so?

00:36:41.240 Because I'll be honest, I don't remember the name of the last Libertarian Party candidate.

00:36:46.160 But something tells me if you gave the Libertarians 10x their current budget, they still wouldn't have a president.

00:36:52.880 Those policies simply are not popular.

00:36:55.220 They don't have a base.

00:36:56.860 And so we obviously don't know.

00:36:59.380 You know, Musk has said he's going to do this.

00:37:01.120 He said he's going to do a great number of things.

00:37:03.120 But he would, if he gets exactly what he wants, be able to form sort of the Republican version of the UK Green Party, right, a secondary interest group that could stymie in the future, right, Republican endeavors to get certain things done.

00:37:19.360 And so, look, that's a very real problem. Now, I will say both the Republicans and the Democrats have a number of, shall we say, circuit breakers built into the system.

00:37:34.860 Obviously, the Republicans saw what happened with Ross Perot getting Bill Clinton elected.

00:37:39.980 The Democrats have been just screwing over Bernie Sanders for decades at this point.

00:37:46.560 They're well capable of watching down insurgencies.

00:37:52.040 So this will be a fight because not just our friends in the Republican Party, but obviously even the worst rhinos in the world don't want this to happen.

00:38:00.840 So Musk will be facing quite a fight. 0.55

00:38:04.400 And to be honest, I think the other problem of being tainted as the party of foreigners, like a literal foreign billionaire, will not do him any favors. 0.96

00:38:14.260 Real quick. So, Jay, something happened during our commercial break with your it sounds like your volume is just coming through your computer speaker or your phone that your mic maybe got unplugged, something like that. 0.99

00:38:26.800 so we're going to go ahead and go to our second commercial break and um maybe you can just do a

00:38:32.260 little bit of troubleshooting and we will come right back yep there it is great all right let's

00:38:37.660 go to our second commercial break and we'll come back and uh and continue the conversation

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00:42:03.920 I think it's helpful to give a little bit of defense of just, we kind of land the plane here,

00:42:08.220 we're talking about a new party being formed, and this is really one of the most, I want to say

00:42:14.400 groundbreaking maybe wouldn't be the best term for it, but it's one of the most important things

00:42:17.500 that has happened in American politics in a while. The best chance at a third party was

00:42:21.740 teddy roosevelt with the bull moose party and this was over a hundred years ago and so it's

00:42:25.900 been about a hundred years at least since there's been any serious consideration of an actual

00:42:30.200 alternative to kind of whatever slop the democrat party or the republican party serves up to you in

00:42:35.020 the midterms but practically speaking and jay welcome your thoughts on this i think we would

00:42:39.340 all kind of agree that we're not voting our way out of this that we're not just an election or

00:42:42.600 two away and and with the right vote the right turnout you know the majority of the country is

00:42:47.360 common sense and they just they need to be motivated and they need to see people that that

00:42:51.640 hold their values up in public they'll come out and vote and we'll be back and have everything

00:42:56.180 fixed there there is no going back we need a politics of in many ways the future but practically

00:43:02.220 i don't think we're voting our way out of this however well why show up and vote at all then

00:43:06.540 why not be accelerationist why not hope things get worse why not vote for kamala harris and say

00:43:11.120 well she's going to make things worse and and that will speed up the decline and then we'll get

00:43:14.520 something new birthed out of it i think the longer you go the longer the more runway you can have

00:43:20.380 is the better chance we have of the plane taking off yeah we're not accelerationist just for the

00:43:25.400 record i think that's important for people to recognize um we we want uh as much time as we can

00:43:31.920 because first and foremost before um before caring about american politics which we do care

00:43:38.060 because we love this country but i'll speak for myself i'm a husband i'm a father i'm a local

00:43:45.020 pastor and so the idea of you know accelerationist strategies where there would be potentially you

00:43:51.820 know civil war you know that goes hot or blood in the streets or those kinds of things do not

00:43:56.460 appeal to me as a husband and a father and a pastor and so we we want as much time as the lord

00:44:02.780 might be gracious enough to provide even just at local levels and just interpersonal you know

00:44:09.740 households to be able to move out of cities and to be able to position themselves financially

00:44:16.680 in a place that's more secure and more viable so that if things do eventually run hot

00:44:24.540 that the righteous that the people of god would be able to endure and and persevere through that

00:44:31.780 that they would be better positioned, which if you're a husband, father, Christian man listening

00:44:37.020 to this, that should be your goal. You know, we've got four years at this point, three and a half with

00:44:42.920 Trump. We don't know what's going to happen next. And so I think that we may experience some economic

00:44:48.660 boom, but it could be short lived. And so I think, you know, utilizing whatever providence the Lord

00:44:54.900 would be kind enough to give you to make wise investments, to buy physical, tangible goods,

00:45:00.900 to buy property to move away from cities um those kinds of to bring your wife uh back home and off

00:45:07.620 the corporate plantation that she can actually build your your net worth that she's actually

00:45:13.300 building like the proverb says you know a good woman a wise woman builds up her house 1.00

00:45:18.420 whereas today because of feminism we have women who are building up another man's house by working 1.00

00:45:22.980 for house musk you know or house bezos or house you know but it is somebody's house these are 1.00

00:45:29.140 households with servants and you're building your own wealth or somebody else's. So utilize the

00:45:35.260 time as much as you can. But Wes is absolutely right. And we've talked about this at length

00:45:39.200 in past episodes that we are not accelerationists. We want God to be kind and give us as much time

00:45:47.260 as we can at a personal, individual level, household level to position ourself well for

00:45:52.420 the future um and but at the same time we also recognize that um the nothing ever happens bros

00:45:59.780 um it's a safe bet you're going to be right probably 99.9 of the time but eventually things

00:46:05.340 do happen we can look at history and if you pan out for far enough uh what you realize is that

00:46:10.880 when it rains it pours and uh you know and that that you know pretty much every 80 years or 120

00:46:17.940 or 150 you know something significant happens and it does it does feel as though uh you know

00:46:24.700 our spidey sense has been tingling for a couple years now like um like there's something that's

00:46:30.400 coming uh down down the pipeline and so uh being prepared for that and recognizing yeah i don't

00:46:36.160 think we're going to vote our way out of it that doesn't mean that america's over uh that doesn't

00:46:40.340 mean that god is done uh with especially with his people christians here in this country

00:46:45.620 but something drastic is probably going to have to change and i don't think we're going to

00:46:50.220 democracy our way out of the mess that democracy has actually created um so yeah so be patient

00:46:58.260 play the long game position you and your family wisely um but then also be watchful and be

00:47:06.140 prepared for uh something to happen um i don't think it's going to be a third party um i don't

00:47:11.800 I don't think that's what's going to shake things up, but, uh, but something is probably

00:47:16.000 going to happen. So we'll give the final word now to, uh, our guests, uh, Jay, we appreciate

00:47:20.400 you coming on the show. Uh, maybe you could just answer the question of, uh, in the specific

00:47:26.220 predictions, like short-term near-term predictions for the America party and how that's going to

00:47:32.300 play out, uh, what effect that might have. And then maybe macro, um, what, what do you think

00:47:37.660 is going to happen to these united states of ours um what you know what if this isn't what 0.99

00:47:43.600 makes the change what do you think eventually you know what you know stupid is not viable what 0.99

00:47:48.460 cannot continue won't and so something is going to change um i don't think it again it's going to 0.94

00:47:54.000 be us voting our way out but i'd love to hear any predictions you might have about what the

00:47:59.240 shake-up in the future might look like yeah sure so i just want to echo your sentiments there

00:48:06.240 There is no voting our way out of this. And even if you look at the presuppositions of the

00:48:12.680 America party, it's the idea that if we just do what the sort of central middle section of the

00:48:20.300 bell curve of America wants to do, we can get out of this. That's not true. We had a cultural

00:48:27.740 consensus post-World War II, and it led us exactly to the position we are currently in.

00:48:32.380 It's almost tautological to say, but fundamentally, we are facing very real problems, right? We are not reproducing. There are massive economic problems. There's a decay of the very concept of an American identity. These are very real issues. These are not simply things you can have one four-year election to fix.

00:48:51.980 It took a long time to appear. These cracks have been widened, and it will take decades to fix them.

00:48:59.260 And so from that perspective of even if Elon gets exactly what he wants, will it solve any of these problems?

00:49:05.120 The answer is no, clearly not. To your point about accelerationism, I echo those sentiments because, look, we live here.

00:49:12.900 We should not, as a phrase that has been just completely battered and overused, immunitize the eschaton, hasten the end of the world.

00:49:19.740 And so to me, I look at Musk as ultimately doomed, doomed in the sense that his ideas are futile. They are unlikely to work. If they do, he will accomplish none of his ultimate goals because the problems that we are facing are much deeper than one or two sort of cycles of bad policy.

00:49:41.380 Well, there certainly are policy issues. We've seen Trump undo a lot of very stupid decisions that certainly make our lives better. But fundamentally, there are much deeper issues. We could say cultural, identitarian, rules, disagreements about why we as a society exist that will not be answered by going back to a consensus of a previous time. 0.98

00:50:07.420 Sure, I realized I wasn't alive for them, but the 1990s were very pleasant, right? They were a good time to be a young American. But the politics of that time led us to the place we are today. Our modern day leftists are simply the logical conclusion of a previous era's liberalism.

00:50:25.700 And so this vain idea you see from Musk, you see from Lindsay, you see from any one of these figures is just to turn back the clock to a time in which things were more comfortable.

00:50:36.380 Things were more profitable, right, if we want to look at it more cynically.

00:50:40.640 And sure, if we could get into a civilizational time machine, we would have those good years again.

00:50:47.780 But you can't forget what happened afterwards, right?

00:50:50.980 You can't forget that the culture of 1992 led to the culture of 2022, right? 0.60

00:50:56.880 They are linked. 0.91

00:50:58.260 And so to me, again, I think that he is ultimately looking at a Sisyphean task.

00:51:05.040 And the branding of accepting the future, right, of striving boldly for it, I think is 0.98

00:51:10.580 particularly stupid because that's the exact opposite of what he's doing. 0.96

00:51:14.920 He's returning to a previous order. 1.00

00:51:17.460 He is, in fact, weirdly enough, perhaps the most conservative man in politics, right? Genuinely looking to, you know, and I realize I'm sort of joking there, right? But wind the clock back. And all of these issues that you've mentioned, you know, that we have mentioned in our previous discussions, they're very real. These are the things that are making our civilization sick.

00:51:37.700 And unless addressed, these will be fatal. These can and these have killed other empires before. And I think it is unwise to assume that America is exceptional in that way. We are a country. And fundamentally, the same physics that applied to the Romans, the Greeks, pick your favorite civilization, apply to us.

00:51:59.560 And so to me, I think that Musk is ultimately incredibly naive. He believes the version of civics that was taught to all of us in high school, which we have seen time and time again, just look at the last three elections alone. That's not how the real world works.

00:52:18.020 And so I'm not saying we should vote for Kamala Harris to lean into the curve, right, to bust out the other side. We have individually a relatively small portion of power, and the responsible things to do as a steward is to use your five talents well, right, to sort of butcher a biblical analogy.

00:52:36.800 uh and so to me i see no reason whatsoever to vote for elon's candidates right it can

00:52:44.060 even if he gets as much power as he could wildly imagine it will not solve any problems for us it

00:52:51.540 will not solve any problems for america it will at best make him and his friends richer and to be

00:52:57.200 honest i don't think that's a worthy use of you know our small fraction of power in the system

00:53:01.800 mm-hmm yeah i agree so um i think that's uh pretty well said in terms of how this party thing

00:53:10.400 you know america party is going to play out but in the macro um so what what is the solution

00:53:16.380 what do you think is going to happen you know and and what what do you think needs to happen

00:53:22.600 to actually shake things up where where we actually have a fighting chance of

00:53:27.620 returning, not to the 1990s, but a little bit further back than that?

00:53:35.980 Yeah, sure. So fundamentally, and this is a little bit reductive, but we'll go with it anyway,

00:53:41.080 there are sort of two categories of human organization. There are ones that work and

00:53:45.580 ones that don't. Our current order, whether you want to call it the post-war consensus or whatever,

00:53:50.440 it is not working. It is falling apart and has been around for roughly 80 years.

00:53:54.860 There are other forms of governance, many of whom I don't particularly like, that have lasted for hundreds, if not thousands of years.

00:54:02.900 There are ways people have organized themselves through time that have produced societies that met the bare minimum requirement of reproducing, of continuing into the future.

00:54:14.880 Very clearly, our current one is unable to do that.

00:54:18.020 And so to be honest, I think when we talk about return, that's what we're talking about, right? A return to sanity, a return to a time in which we organized ourselves in a way that people have historically organized. Now, I realize that that doesn't necessarily help a individual person. So I'll break it down slightly more.

00:54:35.100 To be honest, we need to be intentional about our communities, how we live our day-to-day lives.

00:54:42.680 None of us, I mean, maybe there is someone here who has an immense amount of power, in which case, please send me an email.

00:54:49.080 But in all seriousness, we have relatively limited agency compared to the head of state, for example.

00:54:56.660 But within that, there are choices you can make which make your community better.

00:55:01.420 Well, first of all, right, find a community. There are a number of ways to do that. But that community becomes your priority. One of the great ills of the latter half of the 20th century is the focus on you yourself as an atomized individual.

00:55:17.220 Now, this is not communism, right? This is not saying we all serve the organized collective in that sense. The idea that there is a group of people organized around something eternal, whether that be your relationship to God or your culture or something else, right, is bigger than you.

00:55:35.020 It is more important than what do I want to do with my life at any given moment.

00:55:40.060 And those are the sort of things which are, one, strong enough to survive a system sort

00:55:45.400 of coming to its end.

00:55:46.480 And that doesn't mean Mad Max, right?

00:55:48.440 That just means that the capacity of the system to work, right, to make good on its

00:55:54.400 promises goes away.

00:55:56.460 And so to me, I think that those sort of communities, those intentional communities designed to

00:56:01.980 explicitly, right, resist the evils of modernity are the places where you should be focusing your

00:56:08.320 time, right? There are a great number of religious communities. You know, I realize there are very

00:56:12.440 real problems with the Amish, for example, but that is a culture that has survived. I don't want 1.00

00:56:18.380 to be Amish for any number of reasons, but fundamentally, there is a model to how to survive.

00:56:24.200 Now, a part of this, and have kids, right? How to propagate, how to make sure your

00:56:31.200 civilization carries on into the future. Another example, right, is the Boers of South Africa. 1.00

00:56:37.760 They have gone through, you know, extraordinary persecutions, both, you know, in the kind of

00:56:42.040 current instantiation post-94, but also from the British, right, the origin of the phrase

00:56:46.620 concentration camp. And that is a definite culture tied to a place that has survived.

00:56:52.280 And so these are the places I think we should be looking for inspiration. You know, there are a

00:56:55.720 great number of people who've already started on this work, and it doesn't need to be something

00:56:59.820 dramatic as deciding, you know, all technology after 1860 was evil and should be avoided. But,

00:57:04.860 you know, basically devoting yourself to a community, an idea bigger than yourself,

00:57:11.240 right? I mean, this is very much what we see in scripture, right? The idea of, you know,

00:57:15.760 devoting yourself to obviously Christ, but to something more than the simple gratification

00:57:23.120 of yourself. And again, as we see the America party continually talk about freedom, right?

00:57:28.960 What is their vision of freedom? It is effectively atomized individualism. And so to me, that I

00:57:35.380 think is very at a base level, what needs to be rejected. And if we are going to counteract this

00:57:41.540 deep civilizational ill, what needs to be cut out effectively? And I realize it's sort of weird to

00:57:48.440 go about that deliberately because for our ancestors, it was just how they lived. But

00:57:53.120 that is the situation in which we find ourselves. Yeah. Yeah. I tell people a lot. I think on a

00:57:58.840 long enough timeline you give us infinite time we win we're the ones having children we're the ones

00:58:03.720 building things that actually work we're the ones that are writing and producing so you give us a

00:58:08.860 long enough runway and this plane will take off but all the way back to a third party well why

00:58:13.740 vote them like almost none of the politicians across the entire united states i could probably

00:58:17.980 count on two hands the amount that would truly represent my interests my family's interests the

00:58:22.840 christian faith in a way that i would agree with well why vote at all to make the runway longer to

00:58:28.000 give us decades for our children to get into power for our children to accrue wealth for our

00:58:33.440 children to for us to close the border to kick people out you just need time to do that and so

00:58:38.760 voting can feel kind of silly like this seems to be doing nothing but if you can just hold at bay

00:58:44.800 evil again for a couple decades i actually think we win our message is simple our message is true

00:58:50.900 our message it people look at it and they're like like why are young men being radicalized

00:58:55.720 and all of these different platforms.

00:58:57.460 Because pointing out that men and women are different

00:59:00.000 and men should be the ones in charge of society, 0.97

00:59:03.220 that's not hard to explain.

00:59:04.480 They hear that and they say,

00:59:06.840 yeah, of course, that makes sense.

00:59:09.140 So in a long enough timeline, we win.

00:59:11.340 We just need to have the time to do it.

00:59:12.700 Yeah.

00:59:13.420 Was God cruel in granting Hezekiah

00:59:16.220 an extra added length of life?

00:59:20.200 Or you think of,

00:59:21.240 um i think of like um in the case of jesus raising lazarus you know it's like lazarus um

00:59:28.860 you're you get to come back to life and uh and he's one of the few guys in biblical history that

00:59:34.520 gets to die twice you know so like is it cruelty um and the answer is of course no um it's like

00:59:41.520 well what was the point hezekiah still died what was the point you know lazarus still died um well

00:59:47.880 the point was, um, more life and, uh, and able to bring more glory to God, able to do more good,

00:59:54.660 um, that it actually matters. So it's like, well, you're just prolonging, uh, the inevitable.

01:00:01.060 Okay. Well, um, I'm, I want to think about the big picture and what's going to happen,

01:00:07.020 you know, in centuries or even longer if the Lord tarries. But again, as a husband and father,

01:00:13.960 it matters a great deal what happens in the next 20 years i i i care about my great great

01:00:22.040 grandchildren but because i'm a finite human being it's not just fallenness or related to sin but

01:00:29.460 just the finitude of creature creatureliness and the way that god designed us i care immensely more

01:00:37.220 about my children my immediate family the the kids that i'm picking up and i'm holding

01:00:42.540 um and and for their their sake um winning in you know 250 years um is not nearly as uh productive

01:00:53.540 and beneficial directly for them as uh you know winning in the next 20 years so so having time

01:01:00.680 um for my children to grow and to get married and to get situated and to get homes and those

01:01:08.100 kinds of things um makes all the difference in the world and so i think that that that should be

01:01:14.360 our mindset is staying engaged uh continuing to participate even in a losing system

01:01:20.680 to stave off disaster for as long as the lord might grant us um to love our children well

01:01:28.440 provide for them uh position them and and then hope that uh when the inevitable finally comes 0.99

01:01:35.940 in whatever form it comes in, something will eventually change because stupid can't go on 1.00

01:01:42.000 forever. And so eventually there will be change and it will probably be somewhat dramatic. It 0.99

01:01:48.620 probably will be abrupt. I don't think it's going to be this, just this smooth takeoff into a new

01:01:54.480 season, you know, of America's history. It'll probably be a shaking kind of moment. But for

01:02:01.120 that shaking to come at a time where christians are well positioned to endure it makes all the

01:02:09.100 difference in the world and so i think that's that should be our heart is preaching the truth

01:02:13.700 and being honest and saying the things that other people are unwilling to say and simultaneously

01:02:19.520 doing the meticulous and often boring work of participating in elections especially local

01:02:27.300 elections even for candidates that aren't our favorite but are you know significantly distinctly

01:02:33.500 better than the alternative and then you know as family men and churchmen positioning our

01:02:38.540 communities and our families in the best possible advantage that they could have and I think that's

01:02:45.540 those are the marching orders that's what that's what we can do for now and we do it all for the

01:02:50.260 glory of God believing that that our work is not in vain but that our labor actually will

01:02:56.620 and do season bear fruit. So Jay, thanks for coming on the show. We are privileged to have

01:03:02.140 you. I hope for the listener that you've enjoyed this episode, tell our listeners where they can

01:03:07.440 follow you. Yeah, sure. So as I said earlier, my primary output is the Jay Burden show, which you

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