The NXR Podcast - THE LIVESTREAM - Epstein Files Threaten To Tear Apart MAGA Movement ｜ Live with Scott Horton In Studio

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00:00:26.820 all right you asked for it we're going to deliver we're doing an episode today live on epstein this

00:00:35.980 is the talk of the town this is a story that's not simply going to be sweeped under the rug it's not

00:00:41.180 going to go away as much as the powers that be want it to go away and it seems to have the

00:00:46.800 potential to even fracture and break up it already is in many ways the maga movement there are people

00:00:53.780 who love Donald Trump and are not going to give him a pass when it comes to this issue.

00:00:59.240 So we're going to talk about the problem and the unavoidable reality of a two-tiered justice

00:01:06.280 system, and we're also going to talk about a larger ongoing problem that has its legs

00:01:14.040 going all the way back through decades of history, which is the problem with our relationship

00:01:20.400 with Israel. We know that this works into the mix and this is becoming a massive problem that people 0.96

00:01:27.100 are noticing as the kids say and it's at the point where it's not going to go away. People are not

00:01:33.520 going to stop noticing. So these are the conversations that we're going to have in this

00:01:36.740 episode today. We have invited in the studio live today special guest Scott Horton. You may recognize

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00:02:31.040 All right, here we are. Here we are. We're talking about Epstein. We're talking about Israel. And

00:02:36.080 like I said, in the cold open, we have Scott Horton, who's joining us today. Scott, would you

00:02:40.260 introduce yourself for the listener? Sure. Thank you both very much for having me. Good to be here

00:02:45.400 with you uh i'm basically just a ron paul libertarian anti-government type uh from here

00:02:50.540 in central texas from austin and um i've been a libertarian since i was a kid and i've been

00:02:56.500 editorial director of antiwar.com for a lot of years now and i'm the founder and director of

00:03:01.600 the libertarian institute uh i'm the host of the scott horton show i've done 6 000 something

00:03:06.640 interviews almost 6 200 i think uh since 2003 and uh i wrote some books including fool's errand

00:03:14.840 about afghanistan enough already about the terror wars and provoked about the uh cold war with russia

00:03:21.260 and the war in ukraine great how can people follow you what's the name of the show the scott horton

00:03:26.980 show okay scott horton show you just launched a new one though correct that's right i have a brand

00:03:31.260 new show out with uh the great daryl cooper the most important historian in america according to

00:03:37.200 tucker harlson i think i agree um who's a good friend of mine and the show is called provoked

00:03:42.700 he named it that not me but that's the name of the book and then also the new show and we're

00:03:48.320 three episodes in and so far it's just me interviewing him about stuff but we'll see how

00:03:52.780 it goes great uh we definitely have a lot to talk about and um i'm sort of i've been putting my own

00:04:00.020 show a bit on the back burner but i just started uh really getting back into the swing of things

00:04:03.640 doing interviews again and that's all scottwhorton.org and at my sub stack uh scottwhortonshow.com

00:04:08.580 and in fact for people to go there i have uh the first three chapters or the first three sections

00:04:14.240 i guess the first two chapters of uh the audiobook of my latest book provoked cool i'm still working

00:04:20.300 on the rest of that great well you picked a bad time there's just not much going on what are you

00:04:24.480 going to talk right think about seriously yeah so we were thinking for this episode we usually break

00:04:29.740 it up into three segments our final segment for those who are watching live if you want to put in

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00:05:04.620 prioritize those in the third third segment first segment we're going to talk about epstein

00:05:09.040 and we're going to get scott's uh hot take and just kind of 30 000 foot view and what he thinks

00:05:14.400 is going on a lot of stuff that uh you know for our our audience and those of you guys who are

00:05:19.340 tuning in for wes and i personally uh will probably all be on the same page a lot of it is not rocket

00:05:24.460 science it's not rocket surgery it's um some stuff that's just kind of undeniable and pretty

00:05:29.540 clear for any guy who's got common sense uh but we'll we'll talk about that and see if we can get

00:05:34.540 into it a little bit but segment uh second segment uh we really want to spend time backing up and say

00:05:40.480 how did we you know putting epstein aside for a moment how did we get here right this isn't just a

00:05:46.780 a one-off you know fluke this isn't just like oh my goodness um maybe maybe we had somebody working

00:05:53.380 with israeli intelligence that you know was blackmailing politicians here in america like

00:05:57.880 maybe israel for the first time in all of history was you know uh didn't have our best interest at

00:06:03.440 heart now the reality is that this has been a toxic relationship uh stretching back decades

00:06:08.140 and that's where scott really shines and uh where a lot of his work has been done and so the second

00:06:12.860 segment will be longer and uh giving scott uh ample time to get into some of the history so

00:06:18.960 starting here in the first second segment making it you know about the topic of the day that

00:06:23.600 everybody's talking about what's your hot take what do you think's going on with epstein

00:06:27.920 well i'll say first of all my impression is that despite some um

00:06:35.340 you know kind of surface level evidences that i think people maybe run with i don't really

00:06:42.500 have any reason to believe that trump personally was ever compromised by jeffrey epstein clearly

00:06:47.940 clearly trump is a womanizer but a little girlizer i don't think that is probably like within his

00:06:54.680 taste and i know that he years ago had banned epstein from mar-a-lago for i don't know all 0.95

00:07:01.020 the details but i guess hitting on a young daughter of one of the members of the club there

00:07:05.140 kicked him out of there and then allegedly when uh when the fbi was interested in epstein they

00:07:12.660 interviewed trump about him and he just went down there and threw the guy under the bus didn't bring

00:07:16.480 a lawyer didn't act like he was you know worried about being implicated in any way and just went

00:07:21.620 down there and and you know on the other hand he did kind of wish Epstein's girlfriend well when

00:07:27.900 she was on her way to prison like hey lady let's uh ixnay on the things you know eh um so like I

00:07:34.840 don't know exactly um you know what I was all behind that but of course you know he's a New 0.98

00:07:41.360 york billionaire and he's been around and and uh certainly likes to cheat on even his supermodel

00:07:47.900 wives when he feels like it so um you know could there be something embarrassing there regarding

00:07:54.440 him personally potentially but i don't really get that feeling i think what it is is it's about

00:08:00.120 israel as you said in your introduction there that we know that alex acosta who was the federal

00:08:05.480 prosecutor in florida said that he was told that this guy belongs to intelligence so leave him

00:08:13.100 alone and that was part of how he got this real sweetheart deal where anyone even associated with

00:08:18.000 him was given immunity where he was allowed to do like work release you know from the local jail and

00:08:24.040 under the nicest you know cushiest circumstances of any plea deal anybody ever got kind of thing

00:08:29.280 and then from there apparently continued on doing the same thing in new york and then had his giant

00:08:35.240 ranch out west in new mexico and famously and infamously and like out of a novel right it's

00:08:43.320 private island in the virgin islands apparently now there's more than one island uh uh little and

00:08:50.760 and major uh whatever they were called the saint saint john's islands there and um

00:08:58.280 you know it's it obviously is such a uh captivating story because you don't have to

00:09:07.180 be politically sophisticated to understand the basics of it i compare it to joe biden's senility

00:09:13.640 right we're like your auntie's next door neighbor knows he's just too old for this right you can

00:09:20.100 just take one look at him right it's the same kind of thing here where maybe it's a little bit

00:09:24.800 more complicated than that but this guy was allowed to get away with abusing children for decades

00:09:29.640 while the national government's justice department under janet reno and everybody after her did

00:09:35.880 nothing to stop it and or very little at least to stop it protected him when he did get in like

00:09:44.280 undeniable trouble where they started pursuing a case it was quashed basically and he was allowed

00:09:49.320 to get off essentially free um and uh and so everybody wants to know why and then according

00:09:58.560 to the federal prosecutor himself it was because he was told this guy is a government asset

00:10:02.820 and so now when he says belongs to intelligence that's his quote of someone else we don't know

00:10:09.180 exactly what he was told but we know that's what he said now typically you would take that to me

00:10:13.940 belongs to the agency the american cia but then again it might just raise questions about how

00:10:19.940 much overlap there is between the cia and the massad after all uh if you want to take that

00:10:25.140 angle on it because there does seem to be a lot of real connections with israeli intelligence

00:10:30.020 including his girlfriend ghislaine maxwell or however you say that correctly i only ever read

00:10:35.220 it and i haven't heard people say it very much but um her father was a notorious uh massad asset

00:10:43.240 agent uh people might remember if they saw the tetris movie he's the guy in there trying to get

00:10:48.500 the rights to tetris they're fighting about that they're fighting with the protagonist fighting

00:10:52.080 with anyway um and by the way funny little coincidence it was biden's secretary of state

00:10:59.020 anthony blinken's stepfather was the last guy to see him alive before he somehow stepped off a boat

00:11:04.680 in the middle of the ocean these things happen but anyway yeah um and then he's tied very closely

00:11:11.180 with leslie wexner who was from the limited and some of these other companies you know they were

00:11:16.460 more famous back then and was apparently a zillionaire and gave this guy power of attorney

00:11:22.000 and access to unlimited funds doesn't make any sense it seemed like a simple a simple explanation

00:11:28.140 would be that he blackmailed him right that he got the guy late and then he went haha i got you

00:11:31.940 and now you belong to me and you got to do all this for me although he sure kept him close

00:11:36.160 after that seems like maybe could have just had the guy killed you know i don't know it's hard

00:11:41.500 to say exactly what his relationship there was but his entire career seems to be very odd where

00:11:46.880 he taught at this school where it turns out future attorney general bill bar's father was the guy in

00:11:52.680 charge and um according to daryl cooper he had written some weird novel that had a bunch of

00:11:59.800 child sex type things in it and whatever so there's like a parent connection there and then

00:12:06.100 he went from there to bear stearns and then just kept getting he got kicked out of there for

00:12:11.140 breaking the law but then just kept failing upward and becomes supposedly a financial advisor to

00:12:16.380 billionaires except i'm pretty sure it was in the netflix documentary they did where they show

00:12:20.920 they at least paraphrase i forget if they show but i'm pretty sure it was in there where they

00:12:24.780 at least paraphrase these guys where they say there's a very small community of financial

00:12:30.660 planners for billionaires in the world and they all know each other and none of them know this guy

00:12:35.480 he's not a financial planner for billionaires you know what i mean they're all like members of one

00:12:40.860 pretty small clique and um it was always mysterious where he got his money from and then i think we

00:12:47.700 don't have anything like a real understanding of how many people were compromised by this guy

00:12:55.900 for example i just saw from wired magazine the other day they went and there's this company

00:13:02.900 called near where you ask them i don't know if you have to ask them beforehand or only after

00:13:09.280 to start surveilling an area or if they just collect all this data from everywhere but they

00:13:14.200 have cell phone location data from i think years worth of visitors till his island little saint

00:13:22.720 james whatever i said it wrong i said little saint john's a minute ago didn't i i meant little

00:13:26.920 saint james that said all these people and then so wired didn't release their names because they're

00:13:32.760 like we don't know who all these people are how guilty they are or aren't in any of this so we're

00:13:37.500 not saying that but we are saying here's where they all came from including some of them from

00:13:41.120 central texas and including people from you know fancy pants places like aspen and martha's vineyard

00:13:46.660 and all these type places that you would expect but then we're talking at least thousands at least

00:13:53.500 high hundreds and hundreds of flights of people and then they track them to their local harbor

00:13:59.320 where then they take the boat over they take the helicopter over and even here these people are

00:14:04.700 hanging out at that weird uh white and blue temple and these people are hanging out at the other side

00:14:10.180 of the island like the data is that specific so they can see and they're just boy it looks like a

00:14:16.000 lot of american elites were going there and then as cindy mccain said we all knew what he was doing

00:14:20.760 so in other words apparently the idea was the word was you go to this island not because it's a fun

00:14:29.960 place to just go party in the caribbean you go there because this guy has his own island where

00:14:34.920 there's no law and you can get away with committing terrible crimes seems to have been the idea

00:14:40.080 experiences yeah that's right as as daryl said look it it was like the people in the know not

00:14:46.800 the general public but the elite public that named his plane the lolita express again cindy mccain

00:14:54.060 john mccain's wife so we all knew what he was doing and that name is from a famous pedophilic

00:14:58.960 novel just like to kind of draw the connection like right it's named after right something very

00:15:04.340 scandalous perverse wicked and that's what his plane was named people flew on it yep and everybody

00:15:10.700 knew about as daryl said if somebody buys you on their private plane and then all of a sudden 0.97

00:15:14.500 there's underage girls in their underwear you're gonna do something you know if not fist fight

00:15:20.640 you're gonna call a sheriff you're gonna file a lawsuit you're gonna take an incriminating

00:15:26.960 like photo of this guy to turn over to the police when the plane lands or you're gonna do something

00:15:32.420 you need to do something you're not just going to say well i guess that's just how these guys roll

00:15:37.700 or whatever you know what i mean but if you're if you're bill clinton at the very least he's 0.95

00:15:42.840 palling around with people like this and we know that bill clinton is a brutal rapist from what he

00:15:47.200 did to juanita broderick and presumably others he's you know been accused of attempting to force 0.93

00:15:52.880 himself on others many times but he savagely raped juanita broderick we know that so like what line

00:15:58.340 would he not cross like i don't think george w bush he might kill a million people but i don't 0.98

00:16:02.820 think he would actually like hold somebody down and rape them but bill clinton would absolutely 0.98

00:16:07.040 would so um and i could even see him telling the israelis fine you got me just keep them coming 0.98

00:16:13.500 you know like you don't care right a man has no soul so um i think that's the frustration of maga

00:16:20.120 was trump especially in 2016 he was the anti-establishment candidate drain the swamp

00:16:24.880 we're sick of politicians who knows what they're doing who knows who they're hanging out with who

00:16:29.100 knows where the money comes from from the people that they spend time with and we the american

00:16:32.940 public who these people are supposed to answer to we're sick of it and so the reversal now to 2024

00:16:37.860 and 2025 just in eight years of going from drain the swamp to there is no swamp to drain at all

00:16:43.380 at least in this kind of narrow definition that's why people are furious we demand even if the

00:16:48.400 answers are benign everything you cited right there is just it's objectively verifiable we

00:16:52.840 of all this on witness, all this on record,

00:16:54.960 all of it's true. At the very least,

00:16:56.860 even if the answer is benign, give the

00:16:58.860 answer then. You should have nothing to fear.

00:17:00.780 But when you refuse to, now insist

00:17:02.700 there's nothing even to be aware of, and then

00:17:04.740 turn around and say to us, you're the problem for asking

00:17:06.760 about this, that's what makes people

00:17:08.800 go, hang on, I voted

00:17:10.720 too, as Trump promised on the campaign trail,

00:17:13.400 I voted for the release of

00:17:14.820 the Epstein list, not for you to turn around and tell me

00:17:16.720 it doesn't exist, it was corrupted, it was

00:17:18.760 destroyed, sorry, nothing I can do about it.

00:17:21.220 Especially when

00:17:22.840 And look, Trump used to say this sometimes, so it's not outside of his attention.

00:17:27.340 He used to talk explicitly this way. 0.99

00:17:29.640 The whole charm of Trump is supposed to be that he is filthy, stinking rich, and he's in his late 70s. 0.91

00:17:37.040 He already won, and he's already retired, and he's only doing this now, being the temporary steward of the American system in order to help right our broken ship. 0.92

00:17:51.020 and that he has the money that he can't be bribed he doesn't need to be bribed he told the donors in

00:17:58.480 2016 i don't need your money i got plenty myself but then he realized oh you know what the republican

00:18:03.660 party's going to need their money though like all those state and senate uh state house and senate

00:18:09.480 races out there all those judgeships all those governors all those 435 members of the u.s house

00:18:15.540 or you know hopefully more than half of them republican right like they're going to need the

00:18:19.860 money and even when he's gone they're going to need the money so just how badly can he stab

00:18:26.000 the establishment of the back but the thing is like he never was a governor a senator or vice

00:18:33.380 president he has a plausible claim even now although he has been president before but he

00:18:39.100 certainly then had a plausible claim of like none of this is my fault i just got here yeah and you

00:18:45.220 all elected me because you rejected a clinton and a bush in the same year and put me in instead 0.99

00:18:51.360 obviously you want me to kick their ass for you and so that's what i'm here to do and of course 0.99

00:18:56.660 they bogged him down with all their fake accusations of treason with the russia gate thing 0.99

00:19:00.220 but it's still the case that his great-grandchildren are set for life he has nothing to lose right and

00:19:06.420 and they can afford security for the rest of their lives on the top of their skyscrapers for the rest

00:19:10.560 of their lives so they're more than set for life they're set as kings for life okay so he could

00:19:17.200 afford to tell them all go to hell right and do whatever he wants um but this is what he wants

00:19:24.540 and it's clearly to protect the people involved which again i i said i i don't get the idea that

00:19:31.960 he's worried about his own name being in there i don't think there's any reason believe he ever

00:19:36.040 went to the island or any of those things you know um he did pal around with the guy for a time

00:19:41.380 back when but again i don't doesn't seem like there's much there but look ehud barack lived

00:19:49.000 with the guy you know and was a regular customer there yeah and and and prince andrew of great

00:19:55.940 britain and uh you know uh again like i don't think we know the names of all of the different

00:20:03.140 uh most powerful bankers and celebrities and businessmen and academics and scientists and

00:20:08.240 whatever leon black was a big one of course um but look it only makes sense of course that 0.71

00:20:16.980 intelligence agencies of every description would be doing stuff like this which which democrat

00:20:23.040 congressman was it out in california was adam schiff that was dating the chinese spy lady 0.68

00:20:27.460 right and like of course they sent a hot lady to seduce him and get secrets out of him right like 1.00

00:20:34.500 yeah men like hot women so that's an easy entry money also works right like what or i got i got

00:20:43.800 pictures of you crossing a line and now you're gonna do what i say buddy boy that works perfectly

00:20:49.380 well this is like you know the third oldest profession right this is like the what it means

00:20:55.720 to be in the intelligence business is compromising people and so um there's clearly a lot unknown

00:21:03.400 about exactly who he was working for but again like lex wexner was part of this mega group of

00:21:10.060 the zillionaires who donate to american politicians to keep america on track for israel so

00:21:15.420 whether he's a outright agent he's probably not any kind of assad agent he's what they call like

00:21:20.680 a cyanim right which is like an asset of the israeli government operating on their behalf

00:21:26.700 in the united states and then this is epstein's greatest patron of all so that's a big a good

00:21:33.240 place to start in fact i believe it was ryan dawson who's a real expert on this who uh who

00:21:40.140 pointed out i think it was him who pointed out that if you watch the netflix documentary about

00:21:43.980 all this um one of the young victims uh painted this big mural of all the people involved in all

00:21:51.640 of this and epstein if i remember right is like his head is floating in a flying saucer kind of

00:21:56.660 off to the side in the corner in the center of it all is leslie wexner and he's like portrayed as the

00:22:05.020 center of thing but then they don't ask follow-up questions about that you know what i mean they

00:22:09.180 don't say well that's weird like what's the implication of that and then in your painting

00:22:12.460 there it was just kind of left for you to wonder about but um one of the crazier things a big

00:22:17.720 operation that he was only a small part of right yeah one of the crazier things was they found i

00:22:22.000 think during the first raid a passport with it wasn't his name but it was his picture that was

00:22:26.720 well traveled now i don't know about you guys but i don't happen to have a passport with a fake name

00:22:31.280 that i've traveled around the world with so there's all these details like this that you're like

00:22:35.380 could we have an explanation for this why was this guy having passport who is he traveling with

00:22:39.660 and what was he doing for them well and in fact they said that the whole place in manhattan which

00:22:44.380 was like the nicest private residence in all of manhattan yep uh the most expensive one that was

00:22:49.420 just given to him by wexner apparently or given to him to use at least um and they said the whole

00:22:55.520 thing was wired for video and sound and then they showed like tubs full of cd-roms and all kinds of

00:23:02.100 you know whatever thumb drives or whatever it was maybe we were leaping to conclusions but

00:23:07.500 the obvious implication was he was recording everybody in there he wasn't just recording

00:23:13.240 himself he was recording his elite clientele and then was compromising them and and had them you

00:23:22.820 know and they must have known it and kept coming back anyway i don't know and now they go no that

00:23:28.440 was actually just stuff he had downloaded off the internet so i mean you don't want to watch it do

00:23:32.820 we can't show you that that was his music collection right yeah or no they say it was you

00:23:37.960 know uh quadruple x-rated stuff but that it wasn't anyone recorded there locally it was just stuff

00:23:46.780 that you know he was into personally that didn't implicate any other powerful people which

00:23:51.700 so you know what that doesn't sound right to me you know it sounds like they're lying about that

00:23:56.980 yeah so if trump's not protecting himself and i'm with you i don't think you know on the one

00:24:02.160 hand i feel like with all the attempts to you know disenfranchise and discredit trump um if

00:24:08.060 there was a smoking gun they would have used it and so it doesn't seem like he's trying to protect

00:24:12.800 himself um but he's trying to protect someone uh so like what do you do you think it's just

00:24:20.200 american politicians that he's friends with that are implicated by this or do you think he's he's

00:24:26.560 trying to protect israel what's the transnational elite you know a lot of dual citizens and a lot

00:24:32.360 of people who are just you know very friendly with both sides way too many powerful people

00:24:37.740 that's the obvious answer right you look at that wired heat map of all these cell phones traveling

00:24:42.760 there and you go oh wow so i guess they were just going there to get drunk and have a fun weekend

00:24:50.040 right or there's really something worth covering up here and it sure seems a lot like the latter

00:24:58.760 and for trump to say oh this is just like the russiagate hoax geez no no i don't think that

00:25:04.540 and the russiagate hoax was clearly led by the cia and the fbi to frame him clinton only got

00:25:10.160 on board later and hired all these other liars to come on board and help lie and try to you know

00:25:15.260 create predicates for further fbi investigations and the rest but it was clearly the cia and the

00:25:20.420 fbi that started that john brennan was the one who kicked the whole thing off at the end of 2015

00:25:24.280 and um and they were and they lied about everything right this is not that the epstein

00:25:33.120 thing is odd by the cia and the fbi to make us falsely believe that what that trump and his

00:25:39.300 people are in there i just don't think that's the narrative going on at all here that is not

00:25:44.100 first of all that's not true but that's not the narrative that is like fighting that that anyone

00:25:50.640 is is really pushing right like you don't even hear like people who lean left who want to see

00:25:56.020 those epstein files you don't see a lot of them just like saying oh it's got to be all about trump

00:26:01.780 here because they know it's not like even on the daily show this is like in the post john stewart

00:26:08.320 era which he's no good anymore but back then he was funny but they had that guy trevor noah was on

00:26:13.940 and he interviewed hillary clinton and his first question for her he says how did you kill jeffrey

00:26:19.840 epstein and she's like ah like she really was not ready for that but it was like yeah because

00:26:25.260 everybody knows that that guy procured children for bill clinton to rape and that and who would 0.99

00:26:30.900 be surprised if you found out that she had been involved in any of that either she's a degenerate 1.00

00:26:35.620 scumbag you know yeah criminal in a hell of a lot of ways i wouldn't put it past her to hurt a kid 0.99

00:26:42.440 dude she's a horrible person but uh certainly with bill you know i don't know man i i see him 0.99

00:26:49.860 crossing any line yeah certainly burn kids to death on purpose so so do you think we'll ever

00:26:55.080 get it we'll ever get this kind of information until you know well that's a good question isn't

00:27:00.600 it i kind of think maybe you know i think that doesn't it doesn't there feel like there's a

00:27:06.220 little bit of an inevitability to it that like guys you can't make this go away it's just too

00:27:11.080 easy a one like here in a little while i'm going to try to wedge in here an opportunity to blame

00:27:17.780 the israelis for lying us in a war with iraq but that's one that people just aren't that interested

00:27:23.300 in yeah probably because they bought it and they don't like remembering how guilty they are for

00:27:27.420 that and and it's a long time ago and this sex is much more interesting on just the basic and on it

00:27:36.960 like easier to understand level like don't get me started on the deputy secretary of defense for

00:27:44.740 policy and his underlings operation to launder all this fake intelligence into the street you

00:27:50.520 know what i mean you're already bored right like but this stuff is like hey this guy was allowed

00:27:55.400 to get away with doing this and it looks like on behalf of a foreign government wow and it looks

00:28:01.180 like our government is covering for that foreign government and helping them to get away with that

00:28:05.520 And like, you know, as I like to say about Iraq, people used to really believe in that war a lot up until they didn't anymore. 0.79

00:28:14.040 And then they were like, oh, man, you know what?

00:28:16.720 I guess maybe I don't think that like I used to. 0.75

00:28:20.100 And the same thing's going to happen with Israel. 0.86

00:28:21.820 They think that they're outside of that possibility, that they're bulletproof from that. 0.59

00:28:26.020 But I just don't think so.

00:28:27.300 and i think you know even the polls show among young evangelicals yeah that less and less

00:28:33.460 all their admonishments said oh you'll go to hell if you don't serve the lakut are just falling on

00:28:38.460 deaf ears yeah like these are the same preachers who promised we'd all get raptured up to heaven

00:28:42.700 if only we supported iraq war ii 25 years ago and then where are we now got left behind with

00:28:47.560 everybody else so you know either live up to your promises or stop making threats you know what i

00:28:54.160 mean yeah i told you that you know before we started recording the gravy train for israel

00:28:58.020 it seems like it's gonna end i don't know anybody on the left or the right who's christian or you

00:29:03.500 know non-religious i don't know any category under the age of 45 that's like yeah yeah we love israel

00:29:11.600 so that's it's kind of like a hardwired you know like the boomers the boomers aren't great um i am

00:29:19.820 sympathetic in the sense that they're kind of like you can make an argument in the most

00:29:23.500 propagandized generation in american history because it's like you have you know in terms

00:29:28.820 of innovation you have you know mass wavelength you know ability to spread news but tightly

00:29:35.940 controlled right you know like three channels on cable television you know and so like and that's

00:29:41.200 and that's all there is so like for us today it's like you have to sift through the haystack to find

00:29:46.340 a needle but there is a haystack there's not just three channels so it's that's totally true so

00:29:50.060 today it's like we have mass media for sure but we have like 14 000 different options you know

00:29:55.020 like i listen to so-and-so and i listen to so-and-so and i listen and that creates its own

00:29:58.940 problems you know that's part of why we're fractured and you don't know because we don't

00:30:02.360 trust the experts because they're not trustworthy but then it's like well who do you trust so

00:30:06.400 everybody just has kind of it's like it's like almost like um grunge you know like uh punk rock

00:30:12.800 bands where there was like you know in ska you know like like back in the 90s there's like

00:30:17.200 you know like maybe a couple big ones but most of them it's like they each have like 14 fans you

00:30:22.840 know and they play in their mom's garage you know and there's like and there's like 10 000 different

00:30:27.020 you know ska bands or punk rock bands and everybody's got like you know they like each

00:30:31.500 one of them was able to sell six t-shirts you know and have like their isolated fan and that's

00:30:36.200 kind of how it is now with like with news and media and and information and podcasting and all

00:30:40.920 that kind of stuff and i'm a part of that you know so like i i i get it but um i'm sympathetic my

00:30:47.440 point is it like you know once upon a time it's like the herald comes through your village on

00:30:52.020 behalf of the king you know once once every blue moon and says hear ye hear ye and then now today

00:30:58.240 like everybody listening to a million things but there's really a brief window in human history

00:31:02.560 where you have everybody's hearing the same thing every single day so like mass communication but

00:31:08.700 but like three sources and they're all really that's how i grew up yeah rather jennings and

00:31:13.940 brokaw and austin american statesman reprints everything from the new york times the day

00:31:17.760 before and that's it so my point is just to say i think the boomers might kind of destroy the

00:31:22.980 country but i'm sympathetic in the sense that um they i mean that's that probably be a tough 0.93

00:31:29.500 generation not to be propagandized not to be when you're right too that we've gone from a drought to

00:31:34.480 deluge where sometimes it can be real hard to decide although i think i trust in the market

00:31:40.720 man i think overall even google youtube algorithm rigging aside like ultimately people find good

00:31:48.960 stuff and uh and start making good choices so we just have like all these different silos now

00:31:56.000 right but and the and the best will win out i think that's true yeah if it's not if it's not

00:32:01.120 manipulated and manufactured i mean you mentioned i was on the tucker carlson show

00:32:06.240 and in fact right in the aftermath of the uh start of the iran war i was at pork fest up in new

00:32:13.040 hampshire and al jazeera al arabia and the pierce morgan show all sent vans out to interview me in

00:32:22.000 person and then you know i did a bunch more like really big podcasts that same first week and then

00:32:28.160 the next week i did the tucker carlson show right and like never mind tucker because tucker's just

00:32:34.320 huge he's one of the biggest guys but even just pierce morgan having me on to be one

00:32:39.440 head in a box with four other shouting heads in boxes um man that's unheard of can you imagine

00:32:46.480 in 2003 me being allowed to go on cnn or fox and be a head in a box going no you're wrong it's like

00:32:53.200 this not like that no way dude we were just shouting in the hurricane at antiwar.com i was

00:32:59.920 doing a little pirate radio show in south austin you know and like putting my podcast out for 10

00:33:04.960 000 people the same 10 000 i guess still listen um and and there was just nothing like the ability

00:33:11.840 to right to uh there was no avenue to get onto cnn to get into one of those fights whatsoever

00:33:19.280 now tucker's willing to sit down and go okay you have the floor for three hours right go ahead 0.91

00:33:24.060 it's like all right so that's my point so sympathetic to the boomers that time the

00:33:29.440 technology the control all that kind of stuff sympathetic to them being you know lied to

00:33:34.800 and deceived but my my larger point is to say that um although sometimes i do feel like the 0.97

00:33:40.640 boomers are going to find a way to live on the moon and harvest organs and you know squeeze out 0.63

00:33:44.880 another like you know 85 years of life but barring that you know happening i've been reliably assured 0.99

00:33:51.100 that uh that the boomers will eventually die and um and probably relatively soon 10 15 years 0.93

00:33:57.860 and my point is just to say that when they're gone um like who who's going to be waving israeli 0.97

00:34:04.980 flags you know what i mean like i like it's coming to a screeching halt even now i don't 0.89

00:34:09.420 think we got to wait for the baby boomers to die i mean just think of the cognitive dissonance behind 0.66

00:34:13.540 Well, Jeffrey Epstein, like, I hate him. 1.00

00:34:18.520 He was raping young American girls and getting away with it for years. 0.99

00:34:26.200 But at least it was for a good cause. 1.00

00:34:29.000 My minister says that Jesus says you got to let the Israelis rape your kids so they can compromise your senators so you can get away with bloody murder and get free weapons to kill other kids with. 0.99

00:34:40.300 come on your minister doesn't really think that or if he does he probably didn't think that hard 0.99

00:34:45.400 about it and and just it come it gets to a point where it's just too blatantly it's silly right

00:34:51.840 this case it's not just like offensively horrible but it's also like preposterous right you know

00:34:58.060 what i mean yeah this case is so clear that you're saying that um even somebody who's just

00:35:03.040 diehard zionist can't really doesn't have a leg to stand on yeah in this case so yeah i think you're

00:35:07.680 right let's uh let's go to our first commercial break when we come back what we really want scott

00:35:12.280 to do where he excels is kind of for those of you who tuned in and saw him on tucker carlson

00:35:17.760 um going beyond the epstein case this is just you know this is the talk of the town today and for

00:35:23.060 good reason it should be it shouldn't just go away we the truth needs to come out it's a big deal

00:35:27.880 um but the the larger picture of this ongoing relationship with our hashtag you know greatest

00:35:34.900 ally and that relationship being a little lopsided to say the least that's where Scott has done a lot

00:35:42.040 of work and so we want to allow him to kind of get into a little bit of the history again if

00:35:46.900 you're just now tuning in our our third segment we're going to do our best to answer whatever

00:35:52.040 kind of questions you guys have and I know for our regular listeners the question segment you

00:35:57.320 know towards the end is usually a free-for-all and you know there'll be questions related to

00:36:01.300 the topic, but there'll be other questions that are just generally theological or related to some

00:36:06.300 other topic based on other things that we've talked about because our show's pretty broad.

00:36:10.860 We talk about a lot of things. But for today, because we have Scott actually with us in the

00:36:14.980 studio, we're going to stick to the questions at hand. We're going to stick to the questions that

00:36:19.440 deal with Israel and America and Epstein, the things that we're talking about in our topic

00:36:25.900 today, and make sure to give Scott the priority of time and being able to answer. So we'll go to

00:36:32.700 our first commercial. We'll come back. We'll talk about the history between America and Israel and

00:36:37.340 how that's led up to today, and then we'll do one more commercial break at the end, and we'll go to

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00:40:56.680 all right here we are so we're going to do a little story time with scott horton we're going

00:41:00.760 to do uh some history and i'm sure uh as we talk about this this is something that you know that

00:41:06.200 you've spent you know years looking at so i'm sure you could spend three hours but

00:41:09.800 But if you tried to boil it down to, let's say, closer to a half hour, where does it start?

00:41:16.720 What are some of the highlights along the way and then leading up to where we are today, this relationship with Israel?

00:41:23.580 well i mean okay i guess one way to frame it would be if you look at the situation over there

00:41:37.840 after the 67 war so this is where israel takes possession of the west bank and the gaza strip

00:41:45.080 and all the people who lived there and then raising the question about well if they're

00:41:49.040 going to keep the land what are they going to do with all the people and then the answer is

00:41:52.120 put them under totalitarian martial law and let them stay that way until they all pack up and move

00:41:57.940 someday or something and the united states has always officially opposed that and always officially

00:42:04.120 said that it's illegal for the israelis no well not always trump change it but it's illegal for

00:42:10.920 the israelis to move their population into these conquered territories and they need to give them

00:42:17.100 up and negotiate that territory away in fact even israel's founding prime minister david

00:42:22.220 bangurian said the same thing that this is suicide what are we doing if we you know when 0.90

00:42:27.100 they created israel in the first place in 48 it was criminal the way they cleansed land of the 0.92

00:42:32.280 palestinians but in effect morality aside it succeeded they created an 80 20 super duper 0.97

00:42:39.600 majority jewish state so they could be a jewish democracy and have these second class citizens 0.77

00:42:44.540 and the christians and muslims uh the christian muslim arabs who are still citizens of israel 0.90

00:42:49.780 officially but once they took over those territories now they're like back toward 50 50

00:42:55.800 right and then so they can't be israeli citizens but they can't have independence in a state of

00:43:01.360 their own because the israelis want that land so instead they just live in this permanent state of

00:43:06.520 rightslessness and occupation so you know in the in the carter years they passed the camp david

00:43:14.320 accord where america agreed to start bribing israel billions of dollars a year if they'll

00:43:19.500 make peace with israel and israel promised to give up the west bank and gaza strip to be a

00:43:24.460 palestinian state but then it was been essentially unenforced since then bill clinton tried when he

00:43:31.320 came in to forge what was called the oslo agreement which was not for a real palestinian

00:43:37.500 state and palestinians will correct you if you say it was so it really was kind of a uh a pseudo

00:43:44.340 like you know state-led kind of a thing it was certainly better than anything they've had on

00:43:51.060 offer since then um but they would have ultimately remained under israeli control to great degrees

00:43:57.160 but uh the policy at that time of the prime minister uh yitzhak rabin was to try to negotiate

00:44:06.820 with the arab states and including the palestinians you can make peace with arafat and two-state

00:44:11.300 solution then he could make peace with all the nearby states but then he was murdered by netanyahu

00:44:17.860 fan in 1995 and he was succeeded by a sympathizer shimon perez but who was quickly replaced by

00:44:26.020 benjamin netanyahu in 1996 for the first time and the israeli policy since then has been greater

00:44:33.540 Israel you know they say Hamas says from the river to the sea in other words we're going to

00:44:38.340 erase Israel and make it Palestine again or whatever well that's what the Likud says too

00:44:43.460 from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea will always be one single state one single security 0.77

00:44:48.700 force Israel run out of West Jerusalem and at the expense of the Palestinians they'll have no

00:44:54.980 say in it and so that's the policy the problem is for one that they faced at that time

00:45:02.980 was the threat of the Iranian Syrian Hezbollah axis on their northern border, especially Syria

00:45:11.620 and Iran in their north, that could pose a threat to them, especially while they're confiscating

00:45:17.040 Palestine. And so in 1996, when Wormser came in, when Netanyahu came in, the American neoconservative

00:45:24.860 David Wormser and his partner Richard Perle wrote a policy for Netanyahu called a clean break,

00:45:30.660 a new strategy for securing the realm you may have heard of it it makes very little sense but 0.99

00:45:36.100 that's because these guys are idiots not because i'm telling it wrong but what it is is if you can 0.98

00:45:41.500 picture the middle east here you've got iran iraq syria and lebanon and then of course jordan and 1.00

00:45:49.080 israel here but they look at this power block of iran syria and hezbollah in southern lebanon as

00:45:55.900 the threat to israel so then what they say they said this is why we want to focus on getting rid

00:46:00.480 of saddam hussein in iraq huh saddam was the secular sunni sitting on a my on a super majority 0.99

00:46:08.820 shiite uh population right why would getting rid of him help well it wouldn't that's stupid 0.80

00:46:17.260 but they thought it would because they thought that they would either one have a jordanian king 0.64

00:46:23.080 come and rule over the iraqis or their best friend the iraqi uh shiite exile ahmed chalabi

00:46:30.040 would take over and then the iraqi the new shiite iraq would be an american jordanian and turkish

00:46:37.980 catspaw be on our side of the ledger in the middle east and then use that especially their

00:46:43.980 shiite religious authority to separate hezbollah from iran and make hezbollah start being friends

00:46:50.320 with israel instead and make the new iraq build the oil pipeline to haifa and essentially be 0.93

00:46:55.840 allies with israel now this is completely stupid i mean if you read the clean break and the the 0.96

00:47:01.880 companion piece is called coping with crumbling states and they even wrote a book about it called 0.97

00:47:05.780 tyranny's ally america's failure to remove saddam hussein by richard pearl and by david wormser's

00:47:11.780 the principal author and richard pearl um this was their thinking and this was a huge part of why 0.95

00:47:17.200 america invaded iraq in 2003 of course bush had his own stupid reasons and so did cheney and

00:47:22.720 Rumsfeld, but it was the neoconservatives who were essentially tied at the hip to the Likud 0.97

00:47:27.380 party in Israel who were telling Bush, great idea, boss. Don't worry. We game this all out.

00:47:33.080 We know how it's going to work and what it's going to look like afterwards. We have all the

00:47:37.060 plans. So trust us. We've got to go to Baghdad. And so as Walter Mearsheimer wrote in their book,

00:47:43.400 The Israel Lobby, the neoconservatives didn't make the war happen. Clearly, W. Bush pulled the

00:47:48.480 trigger. But it couldn't have happened without them. And what are the neocons other than

00:47:54.960 essentially the vanguard of the Israel lobby in America? And on top of that, interestingly,

00:48:01.180 they really represented Netanyahu's faction of the Likud over Ariel Sharon, who was actually

00:48:07.700 the prime minister at that time. Sharon was more of an Iran hawk and wanted to go to Iran first.

00:48:13.580 But of course, Bush wanted to go to Iraq first. So Sharon quickly got on board for that and even

00:48:18.360 had his government manufacture fake intelligence in english to stovepipe up the intelligence stream

00:48:23.100 to justify the war um but it was really netanyahu and his group who wanted to get iraq the most

00:48:28.820 and um so then what happened in 2003 was bush took iran's best friends all the way to power

00:48:37.300 in baghdad so they didn't they haven't served the united states and they didn't tell hezbollah to

00:48:43.420 stop being friends with iran they've been iran's best friends in power that war is a huge

00:48:47.960 you know own goal as they call it in soccer putting iraq now on iran's side of the ledger

00:48:53.600 when they used to be with us america used to back saddam hussein's sunni government in its war

00:48:58.120 against iran to contain iran now we brought the iranian revolution into iraq so then that's why

00:49:04.320 barack obama started back in al-qaeda again in syria in his years leading to the caliphate he

00:49:11.040 remember the all those pickup trucks full of jihadists rolling into mosul in 2014 those

00:49:17.300 weren't Iranians those were the radical vanguard of the Sunni bin Ladenite terrorists who Obama

00:49:23.900 had supported them so badly in Syria that then they blew back into Iraq and conquered all of

00:49:28.880 western Iraq which then necessitated Iraq war three starting in 2014 to destroy the ISIS caliphate

00:49:35.960 which Trump finished in the first year of his second first year of his first term um so in other 0.56

00:49:44.440 words america ruined the middle east for israel at israel's behest oops so then they had to ruin

00:49:55.300 it even worse to try to make up for that so first they gave iraq to iran's best friends then they

00:50:02.400 gave syria to osama bin laden's best friends then when they took over western iraq they had to blow

00:50:08.520 that up again although you'll note they protected a small group of one small province of syria the

00:50:16.060 idlib province remained under the control of the bin ladenites through trump's first term and

00:50:21.400 through all of biden until the very end of biden last december 2024 they broke out of the idlib

00:50:27.140 province and they sacked hams hama aleppo and damascus in 12 days and overthrew the government

00:50:33.760 of Damascus, which had been, again, allied with Iran. It's an Alawite government, but allied with

00:50:39.620 the Shiites and allied with Iran, now is run by a bin Ladenite. Literally, the guy fought in Al-Qaeda 0.59

00:50:44.820 in Iraq, in Iraq War II, and he boasted that he killed Americans or fought Americans in Mosul and

00:50:51.460 Ramadi in Iraq War II. And that is now the American-supported leader of Syria. So ask me,

00:50:57.260 but why would Barack Obama and Donald Trump and Joe Biden support bin Ladenite, suicide bomber,

00:51:03.460 head chopper anti-american terrorists in syria or anywhere else and the answer is because that's

00:51:11.280 what israel wants because israel hates the shiites more israel's enemy is the iranians now if you go

00:51:18.100 back to september 11th and i know a lot of people have their theories about this but we're gonna

00:51:22.340 stick to the reality of it you look at those planes none of those hijackers were from iran

00:51:29.680 iraq or syria the axis of evil countries they were all from saudi arabia and egypt and then a couple

00:51:37.320 from lebanon and yemen in other words countries that were under the thumb of the united states 0.97

00:51:42.320 where our government supported their dictators and that was why they hated us was we had our

00:51:48.340 troops in saudi arabia and we supported the kingdom there that quote unquote invited us to

00:51:53.900 day supported the dictatorship in egypt and in jordan and all the monarchies of the middle east

00:52:00.040 preventing them they thought from creating their caliphate but then so where they get their caliphate

00:52:06.500 bush and obama built it for them bush gave them western iraq obama gave them eastern syria

00:52:11.760 and built the thing for the guys uh in the name of essentially fighting israel's wars over there

00:52:18.920 and all this is just absolutely contrary

00:52:22.700 to the interests of the American people

00:52:24.140 and especially when you look back

00:52:25.960 at al-Qaeda's war against the United States in the 1990s

00:52:28.820 and leading up to September 11th,

00:52:30.580 a huge part of that was American support for Israel

00:52:33.880 and in fact, even our dual containment policy

00:52:36.520 of bombing Iraq from bases in Saudi Arabia

00:52:39.000 and also containing Iran from there in the 1990s

00:52:41.800 and the Bill Clinton years,

00:52:43.240 that was at Israeli behest.

00:52:45.280 Bill Clinton had wanted to normalize relations

00:52:47.240 with Iraq and Iran. And the Israelis put their foot down and said, absolutely not. We have

00:52:51.720 just changed our policy here where we want to demonize Iran and make a deal with Jordan. And so 0.99

00:52:57.900 you have to stay in Saudi Arabia because Iraq is too weak to balance against Iran after America 0.70

00:53:03.960 beat them up in Iraq War I. And so that was that Israeli behest that we stayed in Saudi Arabia. 0.79

00:53:10.060 And then, of course, the Israelis' merciless violence against the Palestinians and the Lebanese

00:53:14.200 during that time was a huge part of the motivating factor for all of the anti-american terrorism

00:53:20.340 against the united states in the 1990s in the lead-up to september 11th if you go back to the

00:53:24.920 al-qaeda's first real attack in the country sort of proto-al-qaeda was egyptian islamic jihad in

00:53:30.160 the country the first attack they did was the assassination of a rabbi named rabbi kahane

00:53:34.640 who had been kicked out of israel and his party banned for being fascist by the supreme court of

00:53:39.480 Israel. The Koch party said that they should just kill and expel all Arabs from greater Israel. 0.99

00:53:45.100 He was the first guy that they got in New York City in 1990. Then they did the first World Trade 0.98

00:53:49.780 Center bombing. And then there are numerous bombings in the Middle East and the Africa

00:53:53.900 embassies and the Khobar Towers. And of course, the USS Cole and all of that through the 1990s.

00:54:00.580 And all of that essentially, or a great part of that was motivated by Israel, American support 0.59

00:54:07.580 for Israel and their crimes. And so the greatest example of this is the lead hijacker, Muhammad 0.92

00:54:14.120 Atta, and his buddy, Ramzi bin al-Shib, who helped him organize the attack and who's in Guantanamo 0.55

00:54:18.880 to this day. They were Egyptian engineering students studying in Hamburg, Germany. And

00:54:25.600 after the Netanyahu fan assassinated Yitzhak Rabin and Shimon Peres came in, as part of this

00:54:34.920 demonize Iran strategy he invaded reinvaded southern Lebanon to attack Hezbollah there

00:54:41.300 and during that attack it was actually Naftali Bennett the future prime minister of Israel

00:54:45.860 who launched the artillery strike that killed 106 women and children in a United Nations shelter

00:54:51.940 there in Lebanon in 1996 and bin Laden ranted about that in his first declaration of war against

00:54:59.760 the united states and it was when muhammad atah and ramsi bin al-shib read bin laden's declaration

00:55:05.140 of war and where he talked about the kana massacre in there that they decided that they wanted to

00:55:10.080 join his movement so here's egyptian engineering students studying in hamburg germany volunteer for 0.55

00:55:16.340 a saudi sheikh to kill americans as revenge for what israel is doing in lebanon right and so that 0.69

00:55:22.000 was why they told you that the taliban did it because they hate your freedom so much

00:55:25.320 right was because they didn't want to get into the fact that actually supporting israel clearly

00:55:31.500 just take september 11th on the face of it is not in america's interest now you might say

00:55:37.760 maybe i disagree with you still but this is the price we pay for supporting a very good friend

00:55:45.280 who's only trying to do the right thing maybe but they're not a very good friend to us they don't do

00:55:52.700 anything for us in fact when their attacks coming against us like the beirut attack in 1983 they

00:55:58.260 keep that secret the americans are big boys they can take care of themselves that's what they get

00:56:02.560 for sticking their nose into our business and they won't help us when we got when they know in fact

00:56:07.180 there's questions uh how much they knew about september 11th and how just how specific of

00:56:12.260 warning they gave to the fbi in in august of 01 uh when they knew that there was an attack or

00:56:18.640 quite possibly knew that there was an attack uh coming so they do nothing for us and they're not

00:56:24.740 just a nice country over there minding its own business it's the most ruthless regime on the

00:56:30.220 planet per capita right in the the uh degree of misery uh and and the degree of lawlessness the

00:56:38.160 degree of misery they inflict on the people uh under their control and the absolute criminality

00:56:43.180 with which they operate um that's what caused the attackers to come here it wasn't for the 0.60

00:56:50.080 existence of israel at all although obviously that's hugely controversial but is the occupation

00:56:55.460 in the west bank and the gaza strip and in southern lebanon and the ruthless violence

00:57:00.940 that was what bin laden cited and that was what the hijackers clued into that was the recruiting

00:57:08.260 shtick that worked on them and it was true right so he's just saying their hollywood movies have 0.74

00:57:16.660 too much tna in them you can't get a suicide kamikaze 757 hijacker out of propaganda like that

00:57:23.360 and if you make up a bunch of lies about us about things that we never did and that's not going to

00:57:27.880 work either right but they cited concrete things that the united states was doing bombing iraq

00:57:33.980 from bases in saudi arabia supporting israel and lebanon and palestine supporting the dictators of

00:57:39.860 the region and all of that and that turned them against us then as soon as they hit us and the

00:57:43.960 worst attack on september 11th then immediately the neoconservatives swoop in to say we got to

00:57:50.140 go to baghdad and why and they all admitted it to you know philip zelikow who was uh connelly's

00:57:56.680 rice's aid and was actually the principal author of the september 11th report i never read it but

00:58:01.400 whatever you think of that but i bet you take his word for it when he explained this he goes look

00:58:08.720 man they don't ever like to talk about it but saddam hussein's support for hamas it's a huge

00:58:14.060 part of america's invasion of iraq in 2003 paul wolfowitz and those guys they didn't talk about

00:58:20.080 this on tv or not very much but they definitely talked it about talked about it with each other

00:58:26.120 that this is why they needed america to go to war with saddam hussein saddam hussein would pay a

00:58:31.240 bounty to the family of any Palestinian that died in a conflict with Israel, even if they were a

00:58:37.600 suicide bomber, right? So if it was an old lady that got bulldozed in her house, he'd pay a bounty 0.78

00:58:42.440 to her family. But if it was a suicide bomber that went out and hit a city bus, he'd pay them too. 0.58

00:58:47.960 So from the point of view of Israel, and hey, you can't argue with it, right? He's paying people to 0.83

00:58:53.020 be suicide bombers. If you'll be a suicide bomber, I'll pay your mom and dad a bunch of money is 0.99

00:58:56.980 essentially what he's promising there. Right. But you couldn't get the American people to launch a 0.99

00:59:02.060 war for that. That's terrible. But that sounds like Israel's problem. Right. And but according

00:59:07.420 to Philip Zelikow, this entire neoconservative network inside the W. Bush government, that was

00:59:13.760 what they were thinking about was what was good for Israel. And as I also mentioned, Amit Chalabi

00:59:19.400 have promised that they're going to rebuild the old oil pipeline from the northern oil fields to

00:59:24.240 haifa israel and save them a nickel a barrel of oil a nickel on a barrel of oil so um had

00:59:31.420 that war was absolutely contrary to america's interest saddam israel was threatening the

00:59:36.640 united states in no way whatsoever um and that was why they had to come up with all that propaganda

00:59:42.160 it's the same thing about you know thomas massey was on the theo von show i don't know if you guys

00:59:46.860 saw that and theo von says well is there an england lobby and he goes no because england's

00:59:53.400 our natural ally they don't have to convince us they just send their ambassador to talk to our

00:59:57.640 ambassador right israel has to spend all this money lobbying and blackmailing and threatening

01:00:03.860 and and pressuring you put in applying so much pressure on american politics because we don't

01:00:09.860 need them at all they don't do nothing for us so they have to put all this pressure on people and

01:00:15.060 build up this huge guilt trip and all this other stuff um to say like you know how much they need

01:00:22.320 us and and somehow how much we need them and it's always by the way if you focus on it's always a

01:00:27.560 bunch of slogans and cliches a bunch of focus group crap it's never a real explanation they go

01:00:32.300 iran is the biggest state-sponsored terrorism in the world you go really because it's al-qaeda 0.98

01:00:37.360 terrorism that concerns me the shiites didn't hit our towers and so you're going to complain 0.94

01:00:44.220 hamas didn't hit our towers they're sunnis but they didn't hit our towers either but you're 0.85

01:00:48.220 concerned about hezbollah well i'm just not from southern lebanon or northern israel so i just 0.51

01:00:54.140 don't care about hezbollah because they're just not my problem so greatest state sponsored

01:01:01.220 terrorism in the world that would have to be washington dc in coalition with riad and london

01:01:06.300 and everybody knows it so don't lie to me i don't like it when people lie to me you know the biggest

01:01:12.280 state sponsors of terrorism is the american empire and our client states and well you can

01:01:17.100 argue whether america's israel's client state probably two-thirds of the time but um that's

01:01:22.840 has a lot to do with with you know our government's behavior over there always has been you know

01:01:28.260 there's so many people george marshall didn't want to recognize israel at all so we have interest

01:01:32.480 with all these arab countries over there particularly oil but our relationship with 0.91

01:01:37.420 israel is going to ruin all of that it puts every other relationship over there into question you 0.90

01:01:42.180 have people like uh quoted enough already um james mattis and david petraeus both talked about 0.84

01:01:47.960 we pay a security price over there every single day which is a very nice way of saying our guys

01:01:52.780 get killed extra in iraq and afghanistan because of our support for israel right you know danny

01:02:00.420 sherson the uh u.s army uh sergeant over there maybe captain by then in afghanistan um

01:02:08.180 he told me he'd be meeting with some elder out in paktika province somewhere and they go oh you 0.88

01:02:16.420 love us so much huh is that why you help the israelis kill the palestinians we don't trust

01:02:21.640 you we don't believe you because we know how you guys really are and it just undermined every 0.99

01:02:26.680 single thing they were trying to do not that they were really being so gracious to the poor afghans 0.85

01:02:31.100 but still whatever they were trying to do they know even madison petraeus themselves admit usually

01:02:37.640 only candidly that this is Israel is nothing but a security risk to us we get essentially nothing 0.50

01:02:43.900 out of our support for them and I'll clam up after this which is uh and I can't really prove this but 0.99

01:02:52.820 I'm gonna keep bringing it up anyway and if I'll get egg on my face later about it fine but I'm

01:02:56.820 just certain I just know it in that uh don't really know it but speculate it since that the

01:03:03.060 new orleans attacker bourbon street and new year's eve uh he was pissed off about israel

01:03:09.580 this is an american army veteran who joined uh islam and joined isis you know supposedly

01:03:17.300 and then uh recorded himself ranting as he drove from houston to new orleans which takes a little

01:03:23.840 while yeah and then drove down bourbon street on new year's eve and killed i think 12 people and

01:03:31.040 injured a couple dozen more and um and people partying on bourbon street on new year's right

01:03:37.280 people who didn't do nothing people couldn't possibly have been responsible and they won't

01:03:41.700 release the transcripts of that video uh or release the video itself but it's so obvious that

01:03:47.560 he was ranting about american support for israel and their genocide against the poor people of the

01:03:52.000 gaza strip over the last couple of years they're in that thing and that's americans crucified for

01:03:57.480 israel's sins paying the price for what israel's doing and american support for what israel's doing

01:04:02.300 with our guns our planes our bombs we also saw where two people were assassinated out in front 0.77

01:04:08.420 of the israeli embassy in washington and some lunatic uh did a firebomb attack at a pro-israel

01:04:16.520 rally in boulder and one person ended up dying of their injuries from that do you see the guy with

01:04:22.480 the can of wd-40 or whatever you had they're trying to get you know but apparently one guy

01:04:27.960 really did burn really bad and die to that um and and that's just the tip of the iceberg september

01:04:32.420 11th of course is the very worst of it but this is a major cause of anti-american terrorism in

01:04:37.460 this country and it has been and yes it's true i'll be the first to tell you the fbi has entrapped 1.00

01:04:42.220 as many as 300 idiots into fake terrorist attacks that were just for the headlines and for their 1.00

01:04:48.480 budgets and whatever but i'm not talking about that i'm talking about real terrors and people 1.00

01:04:52.780 whether lone wolves or whether they're sent here as sleepers um the israelis love to push the idea

01:04:59.080 that we have hezbollah sleeper cells in this country but america just bombed iran did you

01:05:03.960 see a bunch of hezbollah sleeper cells bunch of shiite terrorist attacks in this country no

01:05:07.860 it's the bin ladenites who threaten the united states of america and and who else do they

01:05:12.460 threaten iran no they don't threaten israel in fact israel loves them apparently i mean 0.75

01:05:18.440 they'll kill americans over their grudge against israel but they do nothing but make nice i thought 0.91

01:05:22.420 you were saying they hate both of us oh yeah well yeah they're willing to kill americans over their 0.95

01:05:26.880 hatred for israel but they're not willing to attack israel there's never been a bin ladenite

01:05:30.580 type attack against israel in fact when isis accidentally hit them they in back in the obama

01:05:36.560 years they apologized for it and the israelis told them no hard feelings and the israelis said

01:05:40.860 i quote this in enough already i have so many sources of the israelis saying listen we prefer

01:05:46.240 isis to iran we prefer and iran meaning assad right the secular alawite dictator of the country

01:05:56.260 but he's friends with iran so they said over and over again that they prefer not just oh the free

01:06:02.560 syrian army mythical moderates but even the islamic state caliphate of absolute head chopping

01:06:09.020 you know berserkers uh you guys don't remember that 10 years ago the war for western iraq was 0.54

01:06:16.880 as mean as it gets i mean uh patrick cobrin called these guys the islamist khmir rouge 0.98

01:06:22.240 right pol pot's communists in in cambodia so just the most murderous insane you know rampaging 0.95

01:06:29.760 lunatics that you could think of like that was who the isis guys were and the israelis were like 0.97

01:06:34.300 yeah but they're not shiites okay fine but that's fine but that's israel's interest that's not our

01:06:40.500 interest you know yeah i was deployed i was gonna say 2016 i was in the marines i was deployed there 0.99

01:06:46.120 and we were supporting the airstrikes on them and uh i was always struggling actually i did connect

01:06:50.820 the dots and we would we would drive by and kuwait the uh the oil fields i was like why am i here

01:06:55.400 you know for months and these oh that's why and in addition to just a little blue and white uh flag

01:07:02.180 look there were times where the americans were flying literal air cover for the iranians on the

01:07:07.420 ground against the islamic state caliphate so if you ask a regular american and just go well like 0.96

01:07:14.640 who do you hate more isis yeah isis are the bin ladenites that's who i hate more right you'd have 0.88

01:07:22.940 to lobby me billions of dollars a year to make me hate the quads force more when the quads force 1.00

01:07:28.560 are saying thanks americans for the air cover watch me kill these bin ladenites yeah right 0.99

01:07:33.640 black and white issue to me you swear blood oath loyalty to osama bin laden i don't care when you 0.96

01:07:38.340 get killed i think it's funny when you do actually but the iranians they never did anything to us

01:07:45.480 you were talking about you know american soldiers going and dying not for our interests but for

01:07:52.520 Israel. And one of my friends, he's a solid Christian. He said, um, and I mean, it's obviously

01:07:58.440 pretty, pretty fundamental, basic, uh, information, but apparently there's a lot of Christians,

01:08:04.220 older Christians that need to be informed when it comes to this. But he said, um, the heart of

01:08:09.080 the gospel is that God sent his son to die for us. Not that we send our sons to die for Israel.

01:08:13.940 You know, like sounds pretty basic, you know, like, um, you could, you could read the Bible,

01:08:18.640 you know cursory glance one time through and probably come away with that you know like you

01:08:23.360 really indoctrination is expensive you know it actually takes a lot more effort like we saw with

01:08:29.040 you know the usaid stuff and all like to convince people that a boy is a girl and a girl is a boy or

01:08:33.760 to convince people that you know that the heart of you know the biblical text is you know little

01:08:38.640 old ladies sending a portion of their you know fixed income to israel like that actually that

01:08:43.200 that requires indoctrination that requires propaganda that requires billions of dollars

01:08:47.520 and lobbying and but the basic message of america first from a political cultural standpoint or

01:08:54.000 christianity uh for that matter at a theological religious standpoint is pretty self-explanatory

01:08:59.880 it's pretty basic the heart of the christian faith is god sent his son to die for me

01:09:04.200 not me sending my sons to die for israel you know there's this lady who's a pro-palestine

01:09:10.760 activist named allison weir and her origin story was she is this nice housewife who got a thing in

01:09:18.400 the mail about save the children and it's just like you see on tv these kids living in sewage

01:09:25.140 and digging in the garbage pits and whatever and so she's learned about this and you know you guys

01:09:32.540 are younger than me and especially you when i was a kid we just watched tv all the time and this was

01:09:38.960 just a regular fixture of of tv life in america was there are places in the world where people

01:09:44.560 are very very poor and you have these christian charities trying to help them right we just see

01:09:49.780 these things all the time so allison wear got some some propaganda like that in the mail and

01:09:56.000 so she started writing letters back and forth donating and writing letters back and forth

01:09:59.960 and she's pretty soon she's corresponding with a little kid i think it was right who explains that

01:10:05.060 the reason he lives in a pile of sewage

01:10:07.380 is because he lives in a refugee camp in Lebanon. 1.00

01:10:10.020 And the reason he lives in a refugee camp in Lebanon 0.80

01:10:12.120 is because the Israelis stole his land 0.77

01:10:14.300 and drove his family off their land. 0.99

01:10:16.640 So now they live in a refugee camp in a foreign country. 0.97

01:10:19.900 And she went, huh, that's funny.

01:10:22.360 I never heard of people being driven off their land 0.95

01:10:25.880 so that Israel could be there instead. 0.99

01:10:27.580 You know what I mean?

01:10:28.280 And that was how she started looking into that.

01:10:31.140 I mean, I heard this when I was a kid

01:10:32.660 from time to time at least,

01:10:33.780 but this used to they don't say this as much anymore because it's so preposterous and so

01:10:37.800 easy to disprove in an era where we all have a supercomputer in our pocket but they used to

01:10:42.920 really say that this was a land without people there was nobody there and so it was a conspiracy

01:10:50.880 theory if you said that there were palestinians who had been cleansed off of their land and into

01:10:55.240 these horrid refugee camps and all this eric margulies a great reporter and a friend of mine 0.97

01:11:00.360 his mother was a great journalist at that time and they threatened to kill her and him baby eric 0.99

01:11:06.360 if she would dare to continue to report on the plight of the palestinians living in their refugee

01:11:12.080 camps in the west bank and all that they were denying these people existed at all that they'd

01:11:15.700 been cleansed off their territory at all because even then it would have been hugely controversial

01:11:19.660 it's why they had to cover it up that it even that the nakba had even happened yeah um you

01:11:25.340 well correct me if i'm wrong but i mean israel you have to understand in 48 they literally just

01:11:29.520 declared this is our land now essentially the british and the un they basically kind of rescinded

01:11:34.640 and said ah we don't really care much about it and they declared themselves the state of israel

01:11:38.980 and truly recognized it and true men within minutes recognized it like that's how it came

01:11:43.700 about though they literally just said this is us did you ever see napoleon dynamite where he takes

01:11:48.500 his hat and he's like this is totally my hat now that's what israel didn't like this is totally my

01:11:52.340 hat now just with land in the center of the old world that's been occupied continuously for 1.00

01:11:56.620 thousands and thousands of years and it was always a recipe for disaster like to you know 0.99

01:12:00.580 to throw a bunch of israelis in the middle of you know an islamic sea it's like that like there was 1.00

01:12:06.200 other land but you do that like then the west is on the hook forever well we certainly have seen 0.99

01:12:12.420 how it played out you know i kind of always thought that essentially ben gurion was right

01:12:19.480 that if they had given up the west bank and the gaza strip and let them have an independent state

01:12:24.300 there and let it be a free and independent and prosperous place to live let the refugees come 1.00

01:12:29.480 back if not to what we call greater or you know uh israel proper at least let them come back to a

01:12:35.800 free and prosperous and independent state in the west bank and gaza strip east jerusalem as its

01:12:41.000 capital and all that like in the deal um and that it seems like that would work seem like that could

01:12:48.960 have worked possibly is just too late now but arafat recognized israel in 1988 he said enough

01:12:55.260 fighting in fact that was why they invaded southern lebanon in 1982 was because arafat was

01:13:01.380 there and was trying to make peace and they thought oh no a partner for peace we've got to

01:13:06.200 kill him it's the same thing that they did when she gets seen the head of hamas uh she gets seen

01:13:11.340 the head of hamas said in 2004 january 2004 he said i'm tired i'm old i'm tired of fighting i

01:13:17.960 I want to do this anymore. Let's make peace. We'll recognize Israel within 67 borders. We'll

01:13:22.000 settle for a measly stinking 22%. Come on, let's negotiate. Two months later, they kill them with 0.57

01:13:27.600 an airstrike. And which is in fact, that assassination of a partner for peace that

01:13:33.100 they didn't want is what touched off the riot in Fallujah that led to the lynching of the

01:13:37.480 Blackwater guards that led to the first invasion of Fallujah in March of 2004, which then touched

01:13:43.420 off the first battle of Najaf as well. And then later the second battle of Fallujah, which really

01:13:47.360 did so much to worsen the sunni-based insurgency against the american occupation there and by the

01:13:52.560 way as long as i'm ranting about that i should have said better before because i ended with

01:13:57.140 the the iranians never did nothing to us everybody says all the time i kind of addressed 1983 where

01:14:03.500 america was using israel's cutouts to sell iran missiles a couple years after the beirut bombing

01:14:08.760 which israel didn't warn us about so like come on we're supposed to still hate them and and refuse 0.89

01:14:14.200 to ever forgive them or be able to get along with them because of that that long ago i was joking 0.74

01:14:19.580 the other day sorry to repeat myself but you know ronald reagan wasn't walter mondale he was ronald

01:14:24.700 reagan and ronald reagan thought yeah i can sell missiles to these guys if i need to balance back

01:14:30.180 against iraq for a minute whatever get some hostages out so if he could do that we can make

01:14:36.960 a deal at any time the other big talking point you'll hear this all time i'm sure your audience

01:14:41.680 hears this all the time, is that Iran killed 600 of our guys in Iraq War II. Well, a few things

01:14:48.000 about that. First of all, it's kind of pregnant in that, right? Implied is that, well, they didn't 0.97

01:14:55.980 kill 4,000 of our guys in Iraq War II. 4,000 of our guys were killed fighting the Sunni-based 0.98

01:15:01.660 insurgency, fighting for the Shiites in that war. Okay, now that we got that straight,

01:15:07.000 the 600 is actually 500 and the 500 were not killed by the iranians the 500 were killed by

01:15:13.600 iraqi shiites when in 2007 david petraeus turned on muqtad al-sadr and the mahti army in eastern

01:15:20.260 baghdad and down in najaf and tried to fight them under the accusation which was actually false that

01:15:25.860 he was the most iran tied of the shiite leaders that we were fighting for when in fact it was

01:15:30.640 scary and dawa that were and he was the more nationalist he wanted to marginalize iran and

01:15:34.720 the united states is why they were targeting him and as an excuse to try to escalate and build up

01:15:40.000 even to get strikes inside iran which bush ended up vetoing and the chairman of the joint chiefs

01:15:44.500 of staff pardon me the chairman of of uh the commander of central command admiral william

01:15:49.880 fox fallon said over my dead body put his foot down and said we're not doing it but that was

01:15:54.680 what all that was about was a conspiracy between dick cheney the vice president general david

01:16:01.380 the commander of the iraq war and uh michael gordon at the new york times to put out this 0.91

01:16:07.560 lie that every time a shiite sets off a bomb it was an iranian bomb provided by the goods force

01:16:13.320 when it's just totally false all those bombs were made in iraq by iraqis they were taught how to make

01:16:18.100 these efps is what they're called the advanced ieds with the shape charge and a copper core

01:16:24.000 they learned the technique from lebanese hezbollah but they learned it from the ira not from the

01:16:29.760 iranians and so just was not the iranians who were behind that and i got sources in the book

01:16:34.380 from the highest levels of american intelligence military intelligence saying you're totally right

01:16:39.020 this was a lie and in fact i said this on one tv show the other last week and a guy emailed me and

01:16:44.900 goes hey it was so cool that you brought that up because i was in the military at that time and i

01:16:48.940 was in charge of the propaganda group that was supposed to spread that lie but we never did a

01:16:52.900 very good job of it and it did fall apart pretty quickly as you say there but like i can vouch for

01:16:57.320 what you're talking about there i was one of my jobs was pushing that propaganda about that iran

01:17:01.460 was behind those bombs and what you'll hear always audience you'll note when you hear people talk

01:17:06.100 about this they never explain it you just heard me explain it how do we know who was setting off

01:17:11.620 these bombs and and under what circumstance were they and when and where you hear that from me you

01:17:18.600 don't ever hear those details from the people making those accusations because they don't know

01:17:22.540 what they're talking about they're just repeating a talking point and and they probably couldn't

01:17:26.420 even name Muqtada al-Sadr, much less tell you when and where America was fighting the Shiites

01:17:31.560 or why, or much less where those bombs were actually coming from, which is they were being

01:17:36.620 made in Iraq by Iraqi Shiites. So I'd be remiss if I didn't ask you this. What do you think about 0.96

01:17:41.080 October 7th? Well, I mean, so the lead up to the background to it is the Abraham Accords.

01:17:50.820 so as i previously mentioned when i was talking about the clean break

01:17:54.180 that yitzhak rabin wanted to negotiate with the palestinians and with the neighboring arab states

01:18:00.580 the closer in arab states and the netanyahu doctrine has been that yes we're going to

01:18:09.080 demonize iran and we're even going to negotiate with the near arab states but we're not going to 0.96

01:18:15.200 compromise with the palestinians they can lay down and die we're stealing their land and we'll 0.99

01:18:20.340 settle for nothing less and if you have a problem with that look iran okay that's been the netanyahu 0.80

01:18:27.200 doctrine and what happened when trump came in last time was that jared kushner whose bed netanyahu

01:18:33.660 used to sleep in when he'd come and visit new york according to new york times um jared kushner

01:18:38.740 figured out that well what's your price the american people have a money machine we can just

01:18:43.360 inflate their savings away and give it to you and so they bribed bahrain with f-16s uae with f-35s

01:18:51.880 sudan with debt forgiveness and morocco with the illegal recognition of their illegal seizure of

01:18:58.620 western sahara the northern part of western sahara and in exchange they would normalize relations

01:19:04.620 with israel they call this the peace deals but none of these countries were at war with israel

01:19:09.200 what they were was full normalization deals which they have promised all these countries never to do

01:19:15.040 until the palestinians either got an independent state or citizenship in a single state and

01:19:22.660 so kushner just bribed them now

01:19:26.900 they were working on saudi arabia which is of course the big prize

01:19:32.120 and um netanyahu gave a speech in i think on september 22nd of 23 the beginning of the last

01:19:44.480 week in september and he held up a map of the new middle east he was mocking shimon perez who

01:19:49.960 used that phrase encouraging the the um rabin doctrine that what we're going to do is we're

01:19:56.480 going to make friends with all these arab states after making friends with the palestinians or

01:19:59.820 dealing with the palestinians at least and then we'll have a new middle east so netanyahu was

01:20:04.840 like an inside joke was mocking him and saying look it's the new middle east only israel is all

01:20:10.680 israel and the west bank and gaza strip are all one color with the rest of israel and it's all

01:20:15.900 greater israel in the in the map right and it has the big arrow and it has we're friends with these

01:20:21.040 guys these guys these guys etc in other words i did it i got away with essentially accomplishing

01:20:28.760 what Rabin wanted to accomplish, but without giving the Palestinians a damn thing. Ha ha. 0.93

01:20:34.100 I win, you lose. And he says in the speech, Palestinians, nobody's coming for you, right? 1.00

01:20:39.540 I'm paraphrased, but he blames them for holding up peace and says, but now you don't stand in

01:20:45.840 the way anymore. I can get whatever I want. So it's two weeks after that, that they broke out

01:20:51.600 of their pen in the Gaza Strip and launched that attack. Now, the immediate purpose of it was to

01:20:58.520 seize hostages to negotiate away we don't call them hostages for some reason they're still

01:21:03.060 prisoners even when they're just kidnapped and held without trial in israeli prisons

01:21:06.280 uh people of foreign military occupation speaking a foreign language

01:21:10.540 and holds them without charges for months or even years at a time

01:21:13.940 but they were stealing hostages to negotiate away

01:21:17.640 uh and at the same time they were trying to i think cause enough of a crisis in the you know

01:21:27.100 politically that it would re-controversialize their whole situation i mean attention had been

01:21:33.380 turned away even i stopped the middle east to go write a book about russia and ukraine for two years

01:21:37.760 right everybody's looking away and they said no we're we demand attention again the israelis can't

01:21:46.660 be allowed to get away with this so they were trying to heighten the contradictions and reignite

01:21:50.300 the controversy in the region which they sure as hell accomplished and do it now on what they did

01:21:56.940 in the attack was they clearly killed civilians and it absolutely is true that there was what's

01:22:02.400 called a hannibal directive which is an israeli policy that was invented for in case a soldier

01:22:08.380 gets kidnapped that in some circumstances they would call the shot to kill the soldier as well

01:22:15.480 as his kidnappers rather than let him get taken back into the gaza strip because before there was

01:22:21.420 a kidnapped soldier named or captured soldier named uh gilat who they had to exchange like a

01:22:27.520 thousand palestinians to get him out so we're not going to do that again if anybody steals you know 0.99

01:22:32.900 or captures one of our soldiers well we'll do this hannibal directive we'll kill him and his 0.98

01:22:38.400 kidnappers too which is pretty sick but on the morning of october 7th they called mass hannibal 0.98

01:22:46.780 meaning light up any car that's on its way back to the gaza strip including if it's presumed to

01:22:54.060 have kidnapped israeli hostages in it and including if they're not soldiers at all but they're

01:22:59.340 civilians um you know uh 20 somethings abducted from a rave or elderly people taken from their

01:23:08.860 kibbutz blow them up too and in fact they blew up some of the damage at the at the houses you can

01:23:14.700 tell was from tanks and helicopters and some of the cars as well rather than uh from hamas who 0.58

01:23:21.440 were armed with grenades at worst right they didn't have the kind of things that you need to

01:23:25.280 blow up an entire house those were tank rounds that did that and helicopter shells and whatever

01:23:30.360 um however i'm only saying that so that people got it straight uh you know whichever side you're on 0.84

01:23:38.580 that there's no question that hamas killed innocent people that day and in fact they killed 0.76

01:23:44.140 so many innocent people and it made their cause look so horrific and it gave the israeli government 0.76

01:23:49.880 such license to do what they're doing now that many people suspect that israel let the attack

01:23:55.900 happen because they wanted it to happen because they wanted to play victim so bad and they're so

01:24:00.840 good at playing victim and using it as an excuse so is uh that's where i'm at like i've you know

01:24:06.860 i've heard people say like israel did it themselves i'm like no but israeli intelligence is some of

01:24:12.280 the most sophisticated intelligence in the world and the fact that they didn't see it coming i've

01:24:17.160 joked about it like hang gliders you know like it's you know it's like we see guys coming and

01:24:23.200 they'll be here in about 45 minutes you know you're not moving that fast and like and yet

01:24:27.380 there's no well nobody gets there nobody protects nobody there's no question there's no question

01:24:33.980 from all the reporting from you know connected american journalists and israeli journalists

01:24:39.760 that they had all the intelligence in the world that they needed to stop this including immediate

01:24:44.940 intelligence from the day the day of and or you know the morning of and the night before and all

01:24:50.140 that that they're clearly preparing for something here immediately not only that they had the war

01:24:55.240 plans according to the new york times and this is just what the israelis told ronan bergman

01:24:59.880 of the new york times who's their guy apparently that they had intercepted the entire plan a year

01:25:06.600 before they knew exactly what was going to happen even if not exactly when and then the cover story

01:25:12.680 at least is that they all just are a bunch of blockheads who refuse to listen when they're

01:25:18.360 being warned by people below that this is happening because it's been decided higher up

01:25:22.820 that nah they're not going to do anything and so therefore we don't want to hear it we have this

01:25:28.220 huge counter incentive to contrary information that's the you can call it the limited hangout

01:25:33.940 that's like the occam's razor easiest explanation is that netanyahu said it was okay for us to back

01:25:40.260 kamas because they're not going to do anything wasn't netanyahu almost on his way out and then

01:25:45.800 october 7th kind of like re kind of like secured him you know this is really underplayed part of

01:25:52.200 the story i think and people can watch um i don't know where all you can find this i got it off the

01:25:56.780 pirate bay if people still do torrent files get you a vpn but uh there's a documentary called the

01:26:02.280 bb files and what it is is it's police interrogation videos have you guys seen this it's the police

01:26:08.380 interrogation videos of netanyahu and all his friends who've been bribing him with lavish gifts

01:26:13.840 him and his stuck-up horrible wife for years and it includes miriam and sheldon adelson and it

01:26:20.220 includes a bunch of powerful people talking about how especially netanyahu's wife is just the most 0.91

01:26:26.220 ruthless demanding horrible woman in the world who who insists that people bring her jewelry and

01:26:31.060 bring her extremely expensive champagne and bring her all bring her laundry to the white house i 1.00

01:26:35.220 I think 10 years ago, she'll bring her laundry

01:26:36.880 and be like, you're going to do this for me.

01:26:38.280 That's right.

01:26:38.700 In fact, I've read a thing where the State Department, 0.98

01:26:40.580 they have a thing where they offer laundry services 0.99

01:26:42.540 to any diplomats in the world. 1.00

01:26:44.240 But the Israelis are the only ones 0.96

01:26:46.020 who actually literally bring dirty clothes to have washed.

01:26:49.280 They're just so funny to me.

01:26:51.440 It is.

01:26:52.120 It's funny to me too.

01:26:54.240 Not beating the stereotypes.

01:26:57.680 He's under a lot of pressure in that.

01:27:00.060 And you can tell he is in real trouble.

01:27:01.760 This is absolutely against the law in Israel

01:27:03.740 to take these kinds of gifts is just blatant corruption and um and he's guilty and could go

01:27:11.400 to the pen but he can't because he's the prime minister and the longer he stays prime minister

01:27:15.280 the longer he stays out of jail and so he just has the most obvious incentives like the purloin

01:27:20.680 letter right there it says the most obvious incentive he has right in front of your face there

01:27:24.460 um to do whatever he can to stay in power as george lucas said he's not the first one to start

01:27:29.740 of war to stay in office you know i mean he was talking about emperor palpatine but he could have

01:27:33.920 been talking about a lot of people um and so yes that absolutely has a lot to do with it and by the

01:27:39.600 way so i i alluded to this but let me explain um i got a great article that i wrote with uh my buddy

01:27:46.560 connor freeman at antiwar.com and at the institute and it's called netanyahu support for hamas

01:27:53.660 backfired now there's a limited hangout answer which is oh well netanyahu was just paying hamas

01:28:02.260 as the new york times put it buying quiet if he can give them money they'll be tame and he can

01:28:08.560 keep them in line but that's the new york times version the deeper explanation which we have all

01:28:17.100 these quotes of him and many of his uh you know acolytes and followers inside the Likud party in

01:28:24.120 the government and in the media over there the whole purpose of Israel pressuring Qatar

01:28:31.140 to back Hamas was so that the Israelis can say we have no partner for peace to keep the

01:28:40.020 Palestinian people divided and conquered and if if uh old Mahmoud Abbas the Arafat successor to

01:28:49.160 Fatah there in the West Bank if he seems like a reasonable guy remember Donald Trump said he seems 0.77

01:28:53.200 like such a grand grandfatherly old guy I could make a deal with him he seems like a decent enough 0.96

01:28:57.680 guy well if even Trump can say that about Abbas then it's a good thing that Israel has Hamas 0.61

01:29:05.500 running Gaza so that they can say to Trump, yeah, but what about Gaza? Mahmoud Abbas can't speak for

01:29:12.780 them. That's under the thumb of those terrible Islamists in Hamas. And so as Ariel Sharon's 0.97

01:29:20.160 advisor, Dov Weisglass, put it, we have a no one to talk to certificate from the U.S. Congress.

01:29:27.200 It says we have no one to talk to. And by the way, in that, so there's a great quote of Netanyahu.

01:29:32.480 there are three different people who quoted him saying this and then he tried to deny it and

01:29:36.700 his lobbyist tried to deny it and he said it's okay that we back hamas we have to back hamas

01:29:43.360 in order to prevent a two-state solution to keep americans to keep european liberals to keep 0.88

01:29:49.860 tel aviv liberals quiet about how we have to deal with the palestinians but don't worry 0.50

01:29:55.300 we control the height of the flame but here's the joke is they deny that but in the bb files 0.99

01:30:04.320 you can sit there and watch him say it with your own eyes i mean trust the hebrew translation or

01:30:08.540 call a friend and have him translate it for you but according to that there he is in a police

01:30:14.040 interrogation and they're asking him about his support for hamas and he's saying don't worry

01:30:19.880 we control the height of the flame he's the exact same language to talk about why he is in fact

01:30:25.940 committing treason in the short term it's because he's too clever by half he knows he's so cute that

01:30:32.980 he can get away with it i'm gonna support these terrorists just so i can say to you you don't

01:30:38.200 expect me to deal with these terrorists do you but don't worry i know what i'm doing i won't let them

01:30:44.260 actually do get out of their pen and do anything horrible like kill 1200 people something like that

01:30:50.680 you know what i mean and then of course it all got away from him now you could argue is he cynical

01:30:55.440 enough to allow that to happen i don't know maybe why not um but i also think that you know power 0.99

01:31:05.700 corrupts but it makes people stupid too and i think 0.97

01:31:08.800 there's plenty of reason to believe that he thought don't worry i have them tamed right 0.99

01:31:18.000 i control the height of the flame it's all good dude right but then once you make a decision like

01:31:23.960 that now the question is well did anyone ever really like give him real cause to rethink that

01:31:29.860 and to ask whether maybe he did control the height of the flame but now that flame is getting higher

01:31:35.600 and maybe he needs to reassess i think in government work it usually doesn't work like

01:31:40.040 that right he's made his pronouncement i know what i'm doing and that means that if you give

01:31:45.380 him contrary information you're questioning whether he really knows what he's doing or not

01:31:48.980 right rather than just giving him new information he needs to know you're contradicting his

01:31:54.420 conclusion with information that you know he doesn't want to hear and so i think you do get

01:31:59.680 a lot of that in government you know a great example that would be with the syria war where

01:32:05.600 they said we're just supporting the moderate rebels and it's like come on these guys are

01:32:09.820 suicide bomber bin ladenites and they're like yeah but we're not supporting them we're just

01:32:13.820 supporting the moderate rebels and it's like yeah but these guys are suicide bomber bin ladenites

01:32:19.500 and they're like i know i know but we're just supporting the moderate rebels and this went on

01:32:23.380 for years and it's like look man can't you guys just admit that just make up a guy's name blame

01:32:29.440 it on alan smithy and say alan smithy made the bad decision you know that's like when no one

01:32:34.420 wants to take credit for a movie and they put the fake director's name on it just blame it on alan

01:32:38.620 smithy turns out there are no moderate rebels there's just been a lot of nights and let's stop

01:32:43.000 funding them now right they can't they just can't second guess themselves wow all right let's go to

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01:39:08.120 So welcome back. We have some great super chats and some questions, and we'll work with them.

01:39:13.360 Scott, looking forward to hearing your perspective. I do have to say, though, I've seen Joel vindicated

01:39:17.060 a lot on predictions. I've been vindicated, I like to think, a couple times. But about an hour ago,

01:39:21.460 you said, I do think we see, just because of all the attention and the pressure on the Trump admin,

01:39:25.260 i think we see some of the epstein files and just literally about 40 minutes to an hour ago

01:39:29.760 laura trump claimed that they're going to release more that they've heard the people that the

01:39:33.900 backlash was effective and they've said we hear you loud and clear and uh we're going to do our

01:39:38.380 best to release more to the public so we will see what comes out of that but the lesson is what's 0.96

01:39:43.240 the takeaway always chimp always make a scene if the administration if your representatives who 0.90

01:39:50.460 are supposed to work for you are doing things that you hate and are immoral you stand up and 0.91

01:39:54.660 you say no we supported you for this and you were doing the opposite so i totally agree and look i

01:40:00.060 think you know there's sort of a caricature of like sort of this ridiculous schoolhouse rock

01:40:05.160 naivete that like you can't call your congressman don't you know he's like blackmailed by the

01:40:11.700 israelis on ipstein island there's no point he's busy but but and and the thing is that's right

01:40:17.080 like i'm not a big believer in democracy and i don't really think that like young men call your

01:40:20.740 congressman is a very good answer to anything on the other hand when it's loud outcry time

01:40:28.820 we have to make sure there is one right you can't have even if it doesn't work like it's

01:40:35.780 supposed to work in the schoolhouse rock cartoon where your representative actually represents you

01:40:40.520 or anything silly like that he should at least have to consider you he should at least have to

01:40:46.720 know when he's sitting in his office and imagining the people out there and the rest of the county 0.94

01:40:50.300 and the rest of the district like do they like what he's doing or are they mad as hell about this

01:40:55.080 and just how many mad as hell about this is in a row can he think that he can get away with before

01:41:00.120 he's going to lose his job and even the same for the president if the phone is ringing off the hook

01:41:05.820 and people are saying absolutely not or you're damn right we demand it or whatever it is

01:41:12.480 then that's one thing if it's not ringing then it's not ringing and it's not something they

01:41:18.140 have to consider at all so we do we want to live in a world where some young aid is coming in and

01:41:24.860 telling trump hey you should know people are really pissed off about this or you should know

01:41:30.020 people really support you on this or you should know it's about 50 50 so you could probably get

01:41:35.040 away with whichever you think you know what i mean yep or is he or is it just there's nothing

01:41:39.640 going on at all and so you don't have to consider the american people what you have to consider is

01:41:43.240 this is what the saudis want this is what the israelis want so we better do what they say

01:41:47.180 the american people don't seem to care either way you know yeah right okay uh let's hop into

01:41:53.760 the chat wes you want to read the first one nathan wow yeah nathan something just brulee rough

01:42:01.140 the brulee it almost feels french brulee brulee brulee yeah all right good enough 49.99 super

01:42:08.020 chat thank you so much nathan i really appreciate that nathan said this thank you for your ministry

01:42:13.080 very few of the men in my church are willing to have these conversations thank you have y'all

01:42:17.240 read luther's on the jews and their lies seem the church today won't even engage with his

01:42:21.380 or other reformers ideas god bless have you ever read it scott no have you have you heard about it

01:42:27.280 though well i know that there's such a tie i guess just the name of it raises the question to me of

01:42:32.780 whether it's a religious argument or a political one or what he's even talking a lot of it was

01:42:38.400 religious but also experiential just his personal experience because he befriended a lot of jews to

01:42:43.300 help him with like translation and different things like that working directly from the hebrew

01:42:47.100 but then later in his life so martin luther was like the original reformer protesting against

01:42:52.040 the catholic church but then later in his life felt completely betrayed uh by a lot of jews and

01:42:57.920 and as he was able to learn to read hebrew and all those kinds of things you know started to

01:43:02.300 read the talmud and see some of the things that were in there and uh and so eventually very much

01:43:07.160 soured on the jews so it was a religious theological argument but it was also uh personal

01:43:11.960 experiential i have not read all of it read excerpts i have good yeah i've read it and he

01:43:16.560 said like it wasn't all that inflammatory yeah he read it and said hey this isn't some type of

01:43:20.920 raving right you know usually the quote that people take out and they're like oh martin luther

01:43:25.580 you know but protestants and we're we're protestant by the way scott so you know guys in our camp like

01:43:30.560 you know they they can't completely do away with luther because he's the original protestant so

01:43:34.860 So then usually the way that they justify it is they say,

01:43:37.380 well, Luther was really great, but then towards the end of his life,

01:43:40.560 he just lost it.

01:43:42.320 But I don't think he really lost it.

01:43:44.460 I think he probably just learned some things along the way. 0.54

01:43:47.380 I think it was probably the same Luther.

01:43:48.840 I don't think that he had dementia or something.

01:43:50.920 The thing is, too, is you've got to understand it is always you have to keep

01:43:56.260 in mind that people are a product of their time and they speak in the language

01:44:00.340 of their time.

01:44:01.080 i mean you guys surely have noticed what a commie language english is even to this day it's so

01:44:07.500 filled just lousy with we's and us's and ours when that's not really what you mean you know

01:44:14.360 what i mean it's just kind of the way that we talk so in the era back then to say the jews or

01:44:21.720 the catholics or the hungarians or the whoever you're talking about it didn't have the same kind

01:44:27.700 connotation that we have post-world war ii and where you have when people say the jews they're

01:44:34.860 usually not talking about the entire jewish population of a given area they're talking

01:44:40.540 about a select few powerful people who don't know their names but whatever yeah doing these things 0.53

01:44:46.160 the jews did this or that is like a good standing when you don't know who you're actually talking

01:44:50.780 about you know what i mean that kind of thing when he's saying that i think you gotta and it's

01:44:56.760 the title of a thing who knows if he even wrote his own headline you know what i mean

01:45:00.060 writers you hear me out there um but uh but yeah i would just say like

01:45:06.060 it sounds like an inflammatory headline it doesn't to me necessarily imply hate or

01:45:13.180 prescription of like doing anything to anyone or anything like that but it's the uh the title

01:45:21.160 would ring different in the ears of somebody from you know the first half of the 20th century

01:45:26.640 or before you know right i wouldn't get away with a book by that title let's just put it that way

01:45:30.460 right um but since we're on the topic uh it is kind of coincidental nathan that you bring up

01:45:36.240 that book and you bring up luther because uh wes and myself and antonio we were just talking

01:45:41.000 a couple uh days ago and uh and we did think uh we were thinking you know tossing around the idea

01:45:47.040 of like maybe we do next year do like a once a month you know it's not like too taxing but a

01:45:52.880 once a month book club, you know, for people to sign up with and you put them like in a signal

01:45:57.460 thread. And so, you know, we have access with each other. And so you're interacting with us,

01:46:01.600 you know, and we do the once a month, you know, behind a paywall or on zoom or whatever it is,

01:46:05.380 um, book club. And we did think like, you know, there's so much talk about it and it's,

01:46:10.420 it's a relevant topic these days, Israel's constantly in the headlines and, you know,

01:46:14.660 pretty much everybody and their mom is, is doing a bit of noticing, uh, as the kids say. So it

01:46:19.840 would be an interesting book even if there's you know certain portions that we're like oh we don't

01:46:23.900 really agree with that but still just for the sake of antiquity and his historical standpoint

01:46:29.880 to go through that so maybe we do uh the based book club or whatever it might be and uh and we

01:46:35.240 go through uh the jews and their lives by martin luther and discuss it all right this next one uh

01:46:40.540 chris tisking another uh 49.99 50 super chat thanks chris that's very kind we appreciate it

01:46:46.680 he says, you guys are the inverse of the Trump admin right now. They are making all the wrong

01:46:53.760 moves. Pray for Trump. He needs our prayers and needs to win many of us back. That's true.

01:47:00.260 And he has to earn it. I'm not Israeli and I will not vote for a pro-Israel candidate ever 0.69

01:47:07.180 again. So more of a comment than a question. We appreciate it. Sympathize with it. Scott,

01:47:11.640 any thoughts yeah i mean um i'm certainly not an israeli and i i don't know how especially at this

01:47:20.960 late date how anyone could conflate their interests with ours anymore you know like when you talk

01:47:25.780 about iraq war ii it's basically still like kind of a undercover thing most people don't really

01:47:31.140 understand israel's role in lying us into that war at all but with what's going on in the gaza

01:47:35.980 strip right now and in the west bank too and with the iran war which is still not necessarily over

01:47:42.060 yet there's still a lot of unresolved questions from the end of that um i don't think anybody

01:47:48.020 could doubt that this is all israel-centric foreign policy when trump announced his great

01:47:52.640 victory over iran he said a threat to israel has been neutralized he didn't even pretend it was

01:47:57.020 in the interest of the united states of america great news so um yeah i think more and more the

01:48:03.540 discrepancy is being noted by regular folks yep agreed uh nick bonner gave us uh seven dollars

01:48:11.120 thanks nick he said this jeff once said he considered trump his best friend very suspect

01:48:18.040 they they partied a lot together i think was the 80s especially 80s and 90s like they were

01:48:24.380 they were together there's no denying yeah there's definitely a history there now whether or not

01:48:28.900 that doesn't mean you know you can have a friendship with a guy and not know everything

01:48:32.560 he's doing or even if you know about it uh certainly not that doesn't necessarily mean

01:48:37.100 that you're participating again like we said earlier i think if uh if there was something

01:48:41.140 that was uh absolutely criminal uh as it regards trump um i think we probably would have heard

01:48:46.720 about that uh you know well we know that enemies he has we know that trump threw him under the bus

01:48:51.980 years ago and kicked him out of his club and all of that so right so the fact that they had a

01:48:56.720 friendship i don't think anybody's denying that uh but whether or not that implicates trump i i

01:49:01.300 don't think it necessarily proves that um okay baptist 702 you want to read this one uh scott

01:49:07.840 oh is it weird i'm sorry well it's from his comment yeah although i don't really understand

01:49:16.100 what the comment is though i here i can read it go ahead because i get it uh baptist 702 five

01:49:21.800 dollar super chat thanks baptist men like hot women that's a quote from scott earlier just

01:49:26.160 relating to blackmail on men doing things with hot women is not exactly that unthinkable or that

01:49:32.120 hard it's not rocket get a hold of nope he says the church forgot to tell sisters in the pews and

01:49:36.480 then expect men to somehow desire them for their entire marriage just making the point we can so

01:49:40.720 over spiritualize dating and marriage in the church that we neglect that ultimately end of

01:49:45.420 the day um beauty is a good thing it's good for men to pursue strength and excellence and to take

01:49:50.460 care of themselves but also too women should pursue beauty femininity and um neither of those

01:49:56.040 things are bad yeah yeah i get it uh garrett mizzo uh which you don't have to ladies you

01:50:01.480 don't have to dress hotter at church just yeah amen after garrett mizzo uh ten dollars from

01:50:07.780 garrett he said uh thanks garrett we appreciate it he said my theory is that trump is trying to

01:50:12.580 get as many eyes on this as possible oh we've got a we've got a 40 uh chess uh trust in the

01:50:18.500 planned guy here i'm not going for that one man best way so he continues uh best way possible to

01:50:24.420 get it uh is to deny it in the most uh preposterous way imaginable or just admit what the truth is

01:50:32.500 and who all is compromised in this thing think about the headlines you could get out of that

01:50:37.160 right and then he says cover-ups aren't this public thoughts i think you know we're kind of

01:50:41.640 giving you our thoughts right now i i don't think wishful thinking buddy i don't think this is 40

01:50:45.960 chess i think trump has played some 40 chess from time to time and when he does it's a sight

01:50:50.040 behold to behold and that's great but he's protecting his friends yeah that's what it

01:50:54.180 looks like um i think i have one more super chat navy scroll oh yeah yeah uh west you do it all

01:50:59.340 right brian johnson brian sent ten dollars thanks brian big w for having scott on scott thanks again

01:51:04.080 for coming on hope he's a christian already but if not i hope he's done his part to teach these

01:51:08.440 boys that libertarianism is the way of god and for christian so after the show we'll all try to

01:51:14.440 convert each other there you go you can try to convert us to libertarianism we'll try to convert

01:51:18.040 you to christianity um yeah i mean we still have like some libertarian like we believe in property

01:51:23.440 rights and things like that like we you know but you know what you guys should do just read some

01:51:28.920 murray rothbard i recommend the left and right prospects for liberty okay and the anatomy of

01:51:36.460 the state and war peace in the state and what has the government done to our money that's pretty

01:51:45.300 good rothbard starter pack i think we're definitely in agreement on what the government has done to

01:51:49.580 our money yeah and you know what you like too is um wall street banks and american foreign policy

01:51:57.520 yeah oh and as long as we're talking israel palestine today war guilt in the middle east

01:52:04.260 all by rothbard all by rothbard i'll look them up rewind and write all that down everybody all

01:52:09.720 right and you said murray was his first murray and rothbard yep rothbard best libertarian out

01:52:14.680 of all of us so far cool all right um let's see my asian peers in cali are lefties except for me

01:52:24.040 that's quite the name uh provoked is a long read but a great read thanks scott oh thank you very

01:52:30.240 much for saying that appreciate that very nice cosmic treason is uh is that one of them yeah

01:52:35.600 this is a question he says is the most likely explanation that just like in 2020 deep state

01:52:41.600 experts and he puts that in quotation marks we appreciate the quotation marks there got in trump's

01:52:46.720 ears and convinced him that everything will go to hell if he doesn't listen to them and prevent

01:52:54.080 the release and then he followed up just a little bit lower says um or is it that bongino and patel

01:53:00.780 had their families threatened by massad slash cia to keep them in line now i would see it's the

01:53:07.820 former it's the the word comes down from the top that look guys we don't want to do too much with

01:53:14.120 this we can't afford to let this get out too far tell them this but not that i don't think anybody

01:53:19.840 has to make any explicit threats against especially someone as powerful as the director of the fbi

01:53:24.020 you know they don't need to do it that way yep i agree uh cool dude he says uh how long do you

01:53:31.680 think it'll be until it is difficult for military pro-israel politicians to get elected i think

01:53:38.700 we're getting there man i i appreciate the question i think um i think we're talking about

01:53:44.480 this before we went on that there are a lot of people supported the war in iraq up until they 0.94

01:53:49.420 finally didn't anymore and then it was just like the damn broke who can believe in this stuff man 0.98

01:53:53.700 you gotta sit here and regurgitate lies and pretend to believe them and repeat them again 0.98

01:53:58.100 and again for years on end like at some point you just want to not go along anymore you know

01:54:03.640 what i mean and i think it's the same thing here with israel where like you know again as we're

01:54:08.740 talking about evangelical christians in america are the the greatest um supporters of israel but

01:54:16.420 even they are even more and more questioning that like you know ted cruz said in his tucker

01:54:22.040 carlson interview he goes well listen my sunday school teacher said yeah and the thing is and

01:54:27.100 i've heard that from a lot of people a lot of people over the years but the thing is is i think

01:54:31.980 when they say it out loud i think even to ted cruz he had to realize when he said that what an 0.99

01:54:38.360 idiot he sounded like you know what i mean because like you know your sunday school teacher's just 0.99

01:54:44.420 some lady and she may be right but she may not be and like you know if you're catholic at least 1.00

01:54:50.380 your priest claims like this real special ordained authority to speak for god in a way or whatever

01:54:57.120 but like when we're dealing with protestant ministers and the women who work for them and

01:55:01.220 teach the kids sunday school there's nothing even supposedly magic about her authority there's

01:55:08.020 nothing supernatural about her authority at all she just has read the bible before presumably and

01:55:13.300 knows it better than a seven-year-old and so she can teach it to a room full of seven-year-olds

01:55:17.220 but if you were if you're going off of just what you learned in sunday school and you hadn't really

01:55:23.860 thought that much harder that much harder about since then and you're now you're talking about

01:55:27.860 real wars and real people being killed and real terrorist attacks against our country in response

01:55:32.580 and all that yeah you might at least stop and wonder whether your sunday school teacher had

01:55:37.480 any idea what whether what she was talking about at all whether the the parts of the bible that

01:55:42.900 she quotes that says that we have to do what the Likud says really meant that or not or what

01:55:47.740 people can quibble over every syllable of the Bible every phrase right any space between a

01:55:53.760 comma and a period you can fight for a year over what it all means or what it was supposed to mean

01:55:58.200 or what when they say a day they mean a year or whatever it is right people fight like crazy over

01:56:04.080 any part of the Bible oh but this just says you got to do whatever the modern state of Israel

01:56:09.180 founded by atheist communists 80 years ago say come on really the author of the whole universe

01:56:16.640 says so huh like i don't know i'm sorry i hate to be too patronizing about i know people take 0.51

01:56:22.340 their faith very seriously but like it seems to me like just on the on the basic level of like 0.98

01:56:28.420 you could accept like every bit of this religion except the parts that are just completely stupid 0.94

01:56:33.140 right like does that make any sense to you that the author of the sermon on the mount wants to 0.99

01:56:37.400 wants you to help kill these people like that's really that was that if jesus was here that would

01:56:42.820 be his best idea or this is your best idea for forcing him to come back now instead of waiting 0.98

01:56:48.180 around for the apocalypse to come forget god's plan our plan is to force the second coming now

01:56:54.780 because we're bored and we just want it that's where it is for a lot of people it's an accelerant 0.61

01:57:00.620 i know i and i sound like a jerk saying it like that but like i just grew up listening to uh 0.92

01:57:05.880 rusty wear down there on san antonio radio you know cornerstone church you know fill his head 0.95

01:57:13.020 with these lies on sunday and he'd come up on monday and go i guess we got to support the war

01:57:16.960 with israel after all it says in the bible we got to do whatever israel says and it's just like

01:57:21.680 look man it actually doesn't say that in the bible just a man convinced you that it said that and you

01:57:26.800 should hate and resent that man or maybe you should forgive him because jesus says forgive him

01:57:30.980 but you should at least know your enemy and you should know better than to just let another human

01:57:35.720 with no higher status than you tell you how certain he is that the word of god is that you

01:57:41.880 better actually indulge in sin this time right when on the face of it what we're talking about

01:57:47.940 is the utmost of cruelty which maybe fits with the god of the old testament but not with the new

01:57:54.540 yeah i dispensationalism is a hell of a drug i i will certainly admit that this is nathan this 0.87

01:58:02.500 next one is harris um is that the muslim all right we'll get we'll give him a shot he said uh scott

01:58:09.620 how do you think uh part of the zionist or do you think that part of the zionist agenda is to pit

01:58:15.140 christians and muslims against each other it's a good question yeah although i'm not certain if 0.95

01:58:22.540 they would like phrase it exactly in that way necessarily but it's they're certainly trying to

01:58:28.520 get america which is a super majority christian country to fight muslims for them and they're 0.99

01:58:34.280 doing everything they can to get us to hate and fear muslims because that's who they want to steal 0.97

01:58:38.320 land from and yes they do want to steal land from palestinian christians too but most americans 0.97

01:58:43.060 don't know the first thing about that most americans probably assume that the christians

01:58:46.680 are protected by and on the same side as the israeli jews rather than being mercilessly

01:58:51.600 murdered and persecuted and ripped off by them um but um it is clearly their agenda to make 0.86

01:59:01.680 regular americans just hate and fear muslims and islam now am i in favor making texas a majority 0.98

01:59:08.180 muslim state or something and bringing them all here to change the way we live no um but can we 0.98

01:59:15.320 tolerate a few million muslims in our country at least and and respect their freedom of religion 0.98

01:59:20.320 and all that yeah sure we don't seem to have a problem there are mosques in williamson county 0.97

01:59:23.900 nobody cares not hurt nobody or disrupting anything really um and yet and in fact like

01:59:32.980 if you think about all the propaganda of the terror war years of the bush and obama years especially

01:59:37.020 we literally got three million muslims in the country if they were all on jihad against us 1.00

01:59:43.000 we would have noticed right we would have endless arson fires to put out at the very least right 1.00

01:59:49.660 and it's just not that way muslims in america wake up and go to work in the morning they're 0.91

01:59:53.660 very assimilated they they usually come from in fact most people don't know this most american

01:59:59.440 muslims are asian and most american arabs are christians so we often conflate those things but

02:00:07.000 they're very you know separate concepts in many ways and and most of the immigrants from muslim

02:00:14.040 countries that have come here have been from the elite right we're not talking about like

02:00:19.100 emptying out the slums of cairo we're talking about people who went to university in cairo then

02:00:23.500 get to come here uh things like that so they tend to be very well assimilated and not cause many

02:00:28.620 problems but meanwhile you have a guy named rabbi yarushami from brooklyn who spent millions of

02:00:37.380 dollars going around getting especially western states and southern states to pass laws banning

02:00:43.900 sharia and protecting the american people from the implementation of sharia law now if you're

02:00:50.520 just the average person works for living and listens to the radio you would get the impression

02:00:55.360 that we were under threat of sharia law and that if somebody hadn't intervened and passed these

02:01:01.940 state laws to prevent it then we would be under its command right now when no that is not the

02:01:09.120 case anywhere at all the only place where sharia law ever applies in america is in the same way 0.99

02:01:14.300 that catholic law and jewish law apply in like divorce proceedings where local civil courts

02:01:19.980 respect religious customs so if there are certain rights that you have to go through to get divorced

02:01:25.760 as a catholic and the courts respect that that's not the same as forcing anyone else to go along

02:01:32.540 with those rules right has nothing to do with implementing sharia law over us so what was it

02:01:37.440 all about it's just a propaganda campaign to make you hate and fear muslims that was all

02:01:42.080 no one was trying to implement sharia law over you not for one day and who was behind the whole

02:01:47.200 thing a guy named rabbi yalur shami who isn't from texas or colorado or new mexico or arizona

02:01:54.260 any of these places where we're supposed to be protected from sharia it's just a propaganda

02:01:59.540 campaign to get you confused to make you hate and fear your neighbors over nothing and when in fact 0.76

02:02:06.240 there actually is a threat and and quite frankly like there is a threat from some individual

02:02:13.360 muslims in this country you might not be able to say who beforehand and could even be as we saw

02:02:19.660 again in the case of new orleans on new year's day or new or new year's eve whereas an american 0.76

02:02:24.720 veteran convert to islam then signed up with the vanguard of the terrorists on the other side

02:02:31.160 to attack the united states of america but why for reasons right and who knows he may have been

02:02:37.460 off his pills or whatever but i guarantee it was radical politics in those uh videos that he

02:02:42.520 recorded about why he was doing that and why he had turned against the united states and so

02:02:46.920 um it's a continuing threat that we're going to have to deal with because essentially because

02:02:52.780 the american people in general overall have allowed themselves to be lied to and manipulated

02:02:59.720 this way and you know hey you gotta forgive them but at the same time we've had anti-war.com since

02:03:08.380 1995 so if you want to know the truth it's there it has been yeah yeah uh cosmic treason uh says

02:03:17.960 how can we deny intel agencies the ability to use uh pedo compromat to get leverage over politicians

02:03:27.780 as their sources and methods well i guess we can't yeah we sure would like to though

02:03:35.220 um how how could we how could we allow anything like that to exist in our country how could there

02:03:41.300 be anything less than a fight over this and there's so many issues like this where to me it's

02:03:48.280 like this is probably a outdated cliche but it's like the proverbial needle scratching off the

02:03:53.180 record at the party wait a minute everybody stop dancing everybody stop talking we're going on

02:04:01.680 general strike until we solve this problem right whether that's i want everybody who helped timothy 0.96

02:04:08.500 mcveigh blow up oklahoma city i want them all to be hanged not just him and i want a general strike

02:04:14.920 until we get the truth about oklahoma city and all of the guilty held accountable for that same 0.98

02:04:21.020 thing with who all and this includes foreign intelligence agencies and governments as well

02:04:26.720 as inside our government who all knew about september 11th knew enough that they could have

02:04:31.540 helped to prevent it etc i want accountability for jeffrey epstein anybody who went to that island

02:04:38.140 i want them to have to testify in public they want to plead the fifth let's see a plead the fifth

02:04:42.800 about what were they doing at epstein island it didn't know didn't they know that that was

02:04:47.240 child rapist island and and what is going on with that and for that matter i'd like to see some

02:04:52.260 some um just department investigators publicly interrogated about what do you mean there was

02:04:58.220 nothing on those cd roms or whatever it is right i there there are specific questions where we

02:05:04.260 absolutely deserve accountability on these things and um and you know israel's entire role in in

02:05:11.720 america's political establishment and in america's government i think is one of those issues that

02:05:16.620 It just absolutely has to be solved now.

02:05:18.980 And, you know, Arthur, Arthur Bloom wrote that, look, keep your enemies closer. 0.87

02:05:25.580 OK, so we don't want to kick Israel completely away and have them go and join up with China 0.79

02:05:30.760 or Russia instead. 0.95

02:05:32.440 Boy, you think we got a problem with an Israeli fifth column in our country now? 0.95

02:05:36.280 How about when they outright switch sides against us and join up with other great powers? 0.99

02:05:41.140 but they need to be taken down a peg and they need to their foreign lobby needs to be forced

02:05:48.620 to register as foreign agents and all their foreign agents in this country must identify

02:05:52.980 themselves as such should be banned from participating in our domestic political 0.60

02:05:57.020 campaigns and all of the rest of that and they must be taken down a peg um the we need a less 0.95

02:06:05.960 dangerous and toxic prime minister in charge over there and any president could demand a new

02:06:12.120 election right donald trump could say i'm sick and tired of benjamin netanyahu i wish they'd

02:06:16.160 hold new elections over there they would hold new elections in two days that's as simple as that

02:06:21.260 uh america absolutely has the power to make it happen and and we need an entire reset on our

02:06:27.720 relationship with this country is a millstone around our neck is we get is a completely one-sided

02:06:33.680 relationship all cost for us and benefit for them and and it's untenable it clearly is

02:06:40.960 yeah in fact like even if you were a pro-israel partisan you should want to dial this back a

02:06:47.820 little bit because people are getting really pissed and you're trading short-term advantage

02:06:52.400 for long term you're screwed yeah we're gonna never forgive you for a lot of this stuff yeah

02:06:58.820 the gravy train is coming to a screeching halt that's right yep all right well uh it's getting 0.98

02:07:03.840 late in the hour let's do this uh we'll deal with uh any other super chats for sure and pertinent

02:07:08.560 questions in our episode on wednesday so we can come back and address those but i want to be

02:07:12.860 respectful of scott's time and then my wife and kids um i've got a play date uh that is coming up

02:07:19.840 very very shortly so uh let's let that be the end for today but we thank you guys for tuning in

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02:07:47.280 where can people follow your work well i guess the biggest thing would be to go check out my

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02:08:02.040 going back and then uh read my books my book uh provoked it should be right now at nine months

02:08:10.240 wait yeah uh at number one in war and peace on amazon except i looked at and wasn't number one

02:08:17.780 anymore and i was like what the hell and so i paged down i looked at the war and peace list and

02:08:21.860 my last book enough already is number one again ah ah so that's that's why provoked isn't number

02:08:28.880 one anymore sometimes you just beat yourself that's right uh number one and number two and

02:08:32.940 more in peace is my middle east book and my cold war with russia book and that's everything i know

02:08:38.440 about everything for you there if people want to catch up cool well thanks for coming on the show

02:08:42.440 absolutely thank you both so much for having me all right well we'll see you guys next time god

02:08:46.160 bless.

The NXR Podcast - July 14, 2025

THE LIVESTREAM - Epstein Files Threaten To Tear Apart MAGA Movement ｜ Live with Scott Horton In Studio

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