THE LIVESTREAM - For The Anons On X
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In this episode, we discuss anonymous accounts and their role in the culture war. Are these accounts a display of cowardice and petulance, or do they hold a strategic and noble role? Tune in as we discuss.
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Much of the culture war today is fought by anonymous accounts.
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For a long time, even the massive X account, Libs of TikTok, remained anonymous until it was doxed.
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In the Reformed world, many Christian men tackle controversial topics behind the shield
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of a fake name. Critics, including establishment organizations and Christian leaders,
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dismiss these accounts for refusing to attach their real names to their ideas. But Anons
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argue that it's necessary for their safety and their families. Are anonymous accounts a display
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of cowardice and petulance or do they hold a strategic and noble role in the culture war
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all right guys um here we are right out of the gate um the first thing that i want to talk about
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is we need your help uh we have some lofty goals for the year of our lord 2025 um one thing is we
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are once again we're going to keep a similar set because i i really like the set but we're going
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to double the size of the set so that we on occasion we can have more guests and things
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like that we're going to do some some different looks and uh and so we are actually moving into
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a new space uh in the near future uh next year it's not going to be january but next year you'll
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see some changes with the design and aesthetics but by lord willing may of next year we're going
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to be in a new studio so um that is going to cost some money we're going to need some help with that
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in addition uh i've said this a few times but i want to say it again both michael and wes are
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going to be coming on part-time so right now uh all they're doing is just the wednesday live stream
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and part of the reason that it's been successful is because they're not just showing up and piping
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in but uh they actually are writing the show and so uh every single week they're alternating
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and then finding statistics and charts and quotes
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And then as you would expect Stephen Wolf to say,
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And that's part of why this Wednesday live stream
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that it's going to be 4 p.m but but we're actually going to do bump it earlier yeah yeah so it's
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going to be 3 p.m central time not just on wednesdays once a week but three times a week
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so it's going to be monday wednesday and friday and that's going to start lord willing the first
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week of january so the very first week of january in may getting a new studio space like an actual
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new facility um but starting in january still some new uh set designs and things like that you'll see
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a new aesthetic a new you know optically it'll be a little bit different uh but the biggest thing is
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uh triple the content triple the content and so we're going to have monday wednesday friday live
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stream at 3 p.m central time with me michael and wes preparing for those shows some of them are
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going to be boom this cultural uh you know political event just happened and uh we're
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getting after it you know quick turnaround 24 hours and uh and here's our thoughts um and then
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some will be long form it may be that uh every single week we have uh one of the three shows
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is an ongoing 10 part, you know, dialogue on some particular topic that's really important.
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Then in addition to all that, we're also with Right Response Ministries, we're going to keep
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the Friday special. We feel like this year we tried it with something new. The people love it.
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We got to give the people what they want. It's, you know, it's been, I think, a hit. We've had,
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we did Boniface Option over Andrew Isker's book with me and A.D. Robles and Andrew Isker.
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we did uh what else did we do we did haunted cosmos uh we did cultish we did um oh we did
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the the jews spelled of course j-o-i-c-e jews talking about you know different things you know
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kool-aids and uh you know uh capri sun things like that uh but that was me and andrew isker we
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it was israel we did a a nine-part series on israel but it was fantastic and we're going to
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make that public uh by the way so you're going to start seeing the whole nine-part series with me
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and Isker on how Christians should think about Israel, you're going to find that it's going to
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start dropping publicly on our website, our app, podcast platform, Spotify, Apple, and then also,
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of course, on X and YouTube, first Friday of the first week of January. So we're going to release
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episode one through nine, one episode a week on Friday. So the Friday special is going to continue
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And so you're gonna, Q1 is gonna be me and Isker
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What is a nation and all things Christian nationalism.
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And so I think that's going to be super, super helpful.
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That's going to start rolling out Q2 of next year, starting in April.
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So you've got the live stream three times a week starting January.
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Next year, Monday, Wednesday, Friday at 3 p.m. Central Time.
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The Friday special will drop probably either 7 or 8 o'clock.
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But 7 or 8 o'clock on Friday Central Time in the evening.
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So you've got the afternoon live stream, Monday, Wednesday, Friday, and then in the evening,
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And then with the Friday special, you also will have early access being made available
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So right now you can get the whole series with me and Isker just for five bucks a month
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If you go to patreon.com forward slash right response ministries, patreon.com forward slash
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right response ministries, and sign up at the lowest tier as a member, you'll get all
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nine episodes ad-free of me and Isker talking about Israel and how the church and Christians
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should think about the modern state of Israel today. And starting in January, you won't just
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get that series, but you'll also get the entire 10-part series with me and Stephen Wolfe on
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Christian nationalism. So you have 19 episodes on Israel and then on Christian nationalism,
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me and Wolfe saying maybe other nations could do Christian nationalism instead of just Judeo
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nationalism for Israel. And then everybody else has to be a propositional nation. So you'll have
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19 episodes, nine with me and Isker, 10 with me and Stephen Wolf, all available in January if you
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join Patreon. If not, then just hang tight. And each week they'll drip off on Fridays after the
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live stream later in the evening. So you're going to have the three live streams a week, the one
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Friday special week, and then we'll continue. Of course, the Lord's Day sermon will be available
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on all of our platforms on sunday and uh so that's five major pieces of content and we're
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going to start doing clips again because part of it is uh it's helpful it's strategic and part of
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it also nathan and i were just talking before we uh started live streaming but it also allows us
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maybe to if people are going to say what they're going to say and you can only control things so
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much but we want to uh as much as we can to set uh set the tone in the direction of discourse
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part of what's happened this year is this is our first year not doing clips because we were biting
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off these new endeavors like the friday special never done that the live stream had never done
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that uh but next year we feel like um we actually are able so west is going to help us with that
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and getting clips from the live stream and and occasionally the friday special and things like
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that so that we can put out our own clips instead of allowing um i'm a boss babe and a three-piece
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you know lady suit who uh who hates my husband account three four seven to uh to clip joel
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webin instead and then she sets uh the discourse you know um so so we want to actually uh clip out
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and also i'll be frank um you know how much money people made this year off of joel webin
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a lot we didn't make it um but right like our full episodes are going to get 10 000 views
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every every now and then there's a banger we get 30 000 views something like that um and and if i
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do something on nephilim and giants and mermaids then you know then we get like a quarter million
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but you know for the most part our full episodes are getting 10 20 000 views um but other people
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are going to clip out you know some five minute thing that they think is unhinged that's completely
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not if you watch it in context it's what every christian believed until 100 years ago um and
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they're going to get 400 000 views so i would like for us to clip it and we can get 400 000 views
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and they can pound sam so that's you know so those are some of the things so three live streams a
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week, the Friday special, adding some clips in there to make it more palatable, bite-sized for
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you, the Lord's Day sermon, and in a new studio, and Michael and Wes, for them to do that, they're
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doing it just one time a week, but for them to triple their workload, and for Wes also to be
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Michael and Wes, we've got some needs. And so by God's grace, we've outlined the budget for next
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with me and Dr. Wolf on Christian nationalism drops.
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Okay, without further ado, let's go ahead and if you can, like the video for the algorithm
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so that it picks up and gets out to as many people as possible
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right now while we're live streaming, not after the fact,
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but those of you who are in the chat right now,
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put a comment on there, put something in the comments
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what their purpose is, are they helpful, are they not helpful.
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One of the things that is interesting to think about with Anon accounts
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is that they are largely a product of a new technology.
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This whole idea of an anonymous account, as we term it,
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5, 10, 15, 30 years ago certainly would not have been
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It's not like you had, maybe you had a blog at one point
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where the idea that people can put their views out
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but this actually is not a new phenomenon in history.
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but just anonymous contributions to the cultural dialogue
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and in particular, even Christians doing this, right?
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And so you can take this idea back a long way,
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It won the day, at least for Protestants, right?
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Do we have a screenshot of some of the Luther memes?
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All right, I'm gonna describe it in great detail.
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who's seated on a throne, and they're wearing robes.
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they're lifting up their robes, bare bottom, farting in the Pope's face. God bless. That's
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the Reformation. When I think of the Reformation, I think of anon accounts memeing the Pope. Amen.
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But one of the things that historians and thinkers have pointed out is that Luther was really
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echoing ideas that had already been put out before. Jan Hus, John Wycliffe had been pushing similar
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ideas. And you can talk about God's providence, but we know that God works providentially in
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history through means. And one of the things that was different with Luther than with Huss or
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Wycliffe was that the printing press had been invented. And so people have said that the Battle
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of the Reformation was actually the Battle of the Printing Press, the printed word, which allowed
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Luther and others, for the first time in history, to compete with the published volume, the amount
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of volume that the Catholic Church was able to get out into public through tracts and pamphlets
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and things like that. And it's actually quite remarkable. Luther himself, here's a quote,
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it says, a simple comparison between the vernacular editions of the Catholic publicists
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and the output of one evangelical Martin Luther suggests a wildly unequal battle for the hearts
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and minds of the literate laity in the first decades of the Reformation. Over the period of
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1518 to 1544, Luther's publications numbered at least 2,551. For the same period, the Catholic
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publicists produced 514 printings. And so one of the sheer realities behind the Reformation
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is that the printing press allowed Luther and the people who are with him to jump onto a
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technology and to get their message out in a massive way to populations that could not have
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been reached before. It's been said that half of the pamphlets produced during the Reformation
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were anonymous or had pseudonyms attached to them.
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You think about that, half of the stuff put out
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to push the ball of the Reformation into motion
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I think, you know, we sometimes think of the Reformation
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as this battle of theological minds clashing in pure debate,
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and certainly, you know, Luther's famous for his debates
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But also, it was just anonymous people getting their voice out there.
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Speaking of anonymous people, in the chat right now, I can't help myself.
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I got guys saying, you guys need to call out the Jews more.
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I did a nine-part series with Andrew Isker on the Jews.
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I just went on Calvin Robinson talking about the Jews.
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Ten-minute clip of me talking the entire time was picked up by Candace Owens
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and played publicly just two days ago on the juice um so uh we are juicing on all cylinders
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right now so you just you gotta you gotta let us talk about something else trust the plan
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uh hang tight there are other things going on in the world it does matter israel is it's a problem
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it is a problem uh but we are addressing it and by god's grace uh i think that we have a winning
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strategy okay one thing on luther too he didn't really like erasmus and the pope and all those
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they didn't really succeed too much in convincing them they didn't join right but man the peasants
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loved it that they were picking up his stuff they were reading it the papal bull would come into
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town and they would burn it because his message for all those pamphlets and all those things
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other people writing them yep it reached the people that actually affect the change going
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now elites and the people there's a there's a push and pull that both make an effect
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but man during the reformation it was the people and the peasants that were sick
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the common people who were ready to ally themselves with Luther against the financial and spiritual tyranny of the Catholic Church.
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But on the other hand, historians have also recognized—and this is a quote here—it says,
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A large portion, perhaps half of the Reformation pamphlets, omit any indication of author or printer, partly—why?—to avoid the risk of prosecution, partly perhaps to indicate a mighty but anonymous swell of popular support for reform.
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And so even back then, there was a need for some of these to be anonymous.
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Number one, to focus on the argument, not the personality.
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To focus on the argument and not the personality.
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That's one point of being anonymous, is not just to dunk on people over 65, although that
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It needs to be done respectfully, but there also is...
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um people are living longer lifespans are actually you know very recent as of recently
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they're starting to go down because the west has lost its mind in many regards but um but on the
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whole lifespans have increased and a lot of work is not out in the field it's not you know manual
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labor and so um boomers you know are currently in the process of building a base on the moon
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and harvesting organs and making half of their body like a cyborg and living for you know 4 000
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years and never give they would yeah exactly boomers would literally never pass the torch
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ever if they could and they're doing everything they can i mean you got guys like you know pushing
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90 and they're like i'll never let go you know like jimmy carter from the crypt you know trying
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to hold on to power you know so um that's that's real uh unfortunately that is that is very very
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real and um and so you know that you know anon accounts exist for um for pushing the overton
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window and and for uh forcing even when a particular generation doesn't want to let the
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next generation to you know to make that happen uh but beyond that uh anon accounts are incredibly
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value valuable because um a lot of times the ad hominem attacks and all these people uh will
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just gloss they'll completely ignore the idea on its own merits its own substance and just say well
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so-and-so said it and and that works both ways right so like um if you have some kind of
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institutional power or credibility or these kinds of things a lot of times um you can just uh just
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constantly be posting l's and you know and your base will just eat it up yep you know so you can
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just say something or right now because because we live in a sea of wokeness and even conservatives
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i would argue are are still soft woke most of them um you know so what do you do you find um
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you want to get something across uh well what you do is you replace a white man with um a person of
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color and have them say the same thing or you replace a white man with a white woman and have
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her say the same thing right so it's like we need to say something um as conservatives against this
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uh onslaught of progressivism and blah blah blah and so we need a stalwart we need you know uh when
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the enemy comes in like a flood you know the lord raises a standard bearer against him uh who you
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gonna call alibeth stucky you know samuel say you know and it's like that's send it out that's
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ridiculous that's absolutely ridiculous um you know if these people are saying true things great
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kind of great alibeth um i i'd love for her to say powerful true things in her home to her children
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um but but sam samuel say as a man if that's that's great but um but we don't need truth
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should be able to stand on its own legs but there are cultural moments where um it's wrong and you
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can and you can argue all day long about how anybody should have been able to say this you
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shouldn't have had to get a woman to say this you shouldn't have had to get a black guy from ghana
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and then canada and then you know to say this um and and you can you can make those arguments but
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but the overton window is where it is like yes we're shifting it but at any given moment uh the
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the, the nature of discourse is where it is. The culture is where it is. And, and you, you can't
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just pull the Overton from 50 miles away, you know, lasso it like Wyatt Earp or something. And, and
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you like, you need somebody right outside who's pulling, but then you need some people who are
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inside pushing, uh, which means that you're making arguments to push the Overton, uh, from within
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the Overton. And, and so my point is that, um, a lot of times that exactly what you're saying,
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people say um well uh this this argument about um you know how we should take a stand against
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anti-white discrimination uh i'm not going to listen because it's being made by a white guy
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well um you can call samuel say you know but you could also have an anonymous account right that's
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one way to push the discourse where it's not lost you don't give your enemies the foothold
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uh to make it about the person but they actually have to deal with the argument yep there's a
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reason you open any like logic textbook or you go through logical fallacies ad hominem is right
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up top it's always the first one and to be fair if pete hedgeseth if he hosts a marriage conference
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i'm not going people can lose credibility on the topic and you can say that's right i'm not
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listening to you on that and so there are accounts and people certainly could say i'm just not going
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to go there with you this isn't worth and valid valid enough for me to uh to counter the argument
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but by and large if it's just someone that's nameless someone you have no connection with
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right the argument has to stand on its own merits rise or fall on them yeah somebody just asked how
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many anon accounts do you have joel i have i think you've covered this before i have anon accounts
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that have so many followers that if i told you which account it was it would absolutely blow
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your mind you'd be like oh snap that's him uh no the the reality is i um i got on twitter two years
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ago for the first time and it took everything i had everything i had for two years constant
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training constant learning just to be able to manage one account and it's not even entirely
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my account nathan is also on the account helping me when i get locked um so no i just i i people
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it's funny like people do the memes like joel commanding his anon army over here and it's like
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i i don't think i could do that even if i tried i can send a signal message i did send a signal
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message um i don't apologize for it uh because when you're getting dragged unjustly by large
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accounts of people who are slandering you and you text some friends and say hey could you put this
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into a cohesive thread and post it on my behalf i think that that's absolutely fair game yeah but
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no i i don't have a non-accounts because uh technologically speaking i don't think i'm
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capable. All right. Well, it's interesting because the Reformation, which we would say
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it was a largely spiritual movement, it was a political movement as well, right? It was a
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cultural, political, spiritual movement. So was the Revolutionary War, the War for Independence,
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and the events leading up to that. And that was even more of a war of Anons,
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was the Revolutionary War. I mean, the people who were writing, both the Federalists and the
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anti-federalists uh they they had the pseudonyms and the anonymous postings going like crazy i mean
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they like they it was reputable people who had anonymous accounts and it was some people that
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still were not sure who they were who were posting at the time it was not really memes or um 144
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character tweets but it was short pamphlets right and i i actually was was it's pretty funny finding
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some of the material that they used for their anonymous names, their pseudonyms. So historical
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figures were very popular. So these were actual people posting pamphlets anonymously or
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pseudonymously in the Reformation. So they had Agricola, Agrippa, Argus, they had Caesar,
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Caius, they had Cassius, Juvenus, Cenex. I mean, the list just goes on and on. On top of that,
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They had just occupations, signed a bricklayer, signed a countryman, signed a farmer, a yeoman, that sort of thing.
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English writers were very popular, John Pym and Junius and Old Wig.
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But the one that cracked me up the most, and there was a long list of this.
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Occasionally, authors used humorous pseudonyms when they were writing satire.
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So these are real Revolutionary War founding father era accounts that were releasing pamphlets.
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And as I researched some of this, I realized this idea of not only having an anonymous account to avoid being exposed, to avoid your livelihood being taken away from you, or in some cases during the Reformation, the Catholic Church would, you know, would imprison you and lock you up and kill you in some cases.
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So there was that aspect, but there's a rich history of really funny or really serious historical, like you pick an anonymous pseudonym that you want to emulate, like Cenex or something like that.
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You pick a funny name, like Alexander McSarcasm.
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This sort of thing, I'm going to go out on a limb and say it.
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Anonymous activity, political, and religious speech is part of the American spirit.
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But it's not just be very serious and stern and only write anonymously if you're writing this extremely well-thought-out, educated, erudite, philosophical pamphlet.
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No, there were people who were just publishing fart memes, right?
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Mocking, there is a biblical, theological case for mocking, and mockery is absolutely effective.
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And that's in the moral sense, in the biblical sense.
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But then there's the sense of is it effective or not?
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We need Anon accounts to mock certain people off of Twitter.
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there are certain people who are on x right now who um need to they need to be on blue skies
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and by god's grace um a lot of them have left that's right still waiting on own strand um but
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there are some others that um i think by god's grace if we can get just a few more in on accounts
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um i think we can do it yep and the church would be blessed i'll say too it's broader than just x
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we talk about x a lot because that's where a lot of people we interact with our instagram youtube
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tiktok these are all platforms it's really powerful i think when you see i remember seeing
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on instagram i'm not on it much but it was like delta air and their first all-woman staff flight
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but you go to the commons and it's people just mocking it relentlessly and it's really powerful
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culturally when an average user who could be an 18 year old girl or a 20 year old man they pick up
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their phone they see something and what they see going through it is people pushing back and saying
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this is nonsense this is ridiculous it has a really powerful effect because it then normalizes
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yeah actually that doesn't make any sense why i would have a flight fully piloted by women who
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cares what does that give me like all that's doing is checking a box and so sure x slash twitter
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instagram youtube and and by not attaching your name you you avoid the risk of getting that phone
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call hey hr would like to have a meeting with you that's so whether you're pushing the ball forward
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you're choosing to partake in the cultural battle be it on twitter x youtube instagram tiktok those
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are also great places that's true if you're on them you're using them to the glory of god
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which is right can be hard sometimes yeah uh there's awesome x is the best fair to be done
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but you're right all all of it matters but x is the best platform because um it's the uh one of
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the largest and freest uh largest and freest and x is different youtube you you know like yes people
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can respond in the comments and things like that but it's it's not really uh it's not a fair way
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like he said this and now he's responding and doing that uh it's long form you know video and
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those kinds of things whereas uh x is uh here's a point counterpoint here's a point counterpoint
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it's the freest platform since elon uh bought it uh but it's still large like there are freer
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platforms um but a lot of them are smaller uh significantly smaller and i'm not saying that
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those platforms don't matter either um i i'm grateful for those platforms as well uh but x
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We'll talk about that a little bit later in this episode.
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But I just realized it was too valuable to pass up.
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At that point, I had to cut some other things out of my life,
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No, but I had to cut some other things out of my life,
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because I believed that it was a ministry, that it was effective. I saw the potential of it. I
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saw where it was heading. I saw that this is going to be the largest and freest platform that there
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is. And I realized at the time, we had like where it would just automatically like repost if I said
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something, like a description for a YouTube video would post as a tweet. And so we had two years
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ago we had 400 followers on x and i was like man this is going to be work but by god's grace in two
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years now it's about 27 000 followers and and continuing to build and i'm hoping that you know
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by the end of next year to have close to 100 000 which by the way if you're watching on youtube
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right now go over to right response ministries uh no it's right response m yep right response
00:33:26.180
at right response m on x if you have an x account and follow our account and our videos go live on
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x just like they do on youtube yeah it's worth saying too like we talk about these battles
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because there are thousands and thousands of people on the sideline they don't interact right
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and they're not you know in the fray but they're watching and they're noticing and they're taking
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notes and they're using that data to decide where to move to decide what to fund who to donate to
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so we're not talking about squabbles that are just only affecting 10 20 50 individuals a very
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small circle i've estimated when you look at posts like the view count i think there's a pool about
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200 000 semi-religious dissident right individuals these people are representatives they're senators
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they're podcasters i mean tucker carson found santiago pelago pelago yeah pelago on on x brought
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him on to talk about the vibe shift the elites are there and they're watching yeah they're watching
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And by being strategic, having great arguments, it has a powerful effect.
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The thousands of people watching and those with influence.
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I think Santiago Peliego is smaller than my account.
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Tucker Carlson saw it, had his people give Santiago a call.
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And Santiago got a 10-minute segment on Tucker Carlson to reach thousands and thousands.
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so here's here's part of you know we uh we got to go to our first commercial break but this is what
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this is what i want us to come back with i want us to come back and immediately start talking
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because i don't want us to miss out on this conversation there are guys um pastors who
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are disparaging right um saying like you're wasting your time like you can be crude you
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can be objectively like hey that's not just uh biblical you know a biblical permissibility you
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know a style of mocking but no like you really have crossed the line this is just um you're
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telling someone to you know shut the blank up you know things like that like that's just that that's
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sin you're sinning so there really is a line we're not saying hey it's all you know it's all free
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game no there really are morals and there really is such a thing as sin um but we we don't just
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have that we don't just have pastors saying you know make sure you don't sin and here are some
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and here's sin as biblically defined and what's objectively you know immoral but we have pastors
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disparaging guys with anon accounts because they're saying it's frivolous they're saying
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that it's ineffective they're saying that it's a waste of time like i actually you know care about
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it uh having a christian nation and you christian nationalists you know on x uh what have you done
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you know i feel like i just see uh will pharaoh dressed up as mugatu on uh on zoolander you know
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he's like i've invented the piano key necktie what have you done nothing nothing you know it's
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like my first day on x and i'm saying i invented the piano key necktie you know and you've done
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nothing for christian nationalism and and here's the thing um you can make a legitimate argument
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that anon accounts on x um are responsible for trump being the next president of the united
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states it's not nothing you're wrong i'm sorry i'm sorry but you you just maybe you're a boomer
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maybe you're gen x but you don't get it yeah and that's fine stay in your lane right whatever that
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lane is save babies from the slaughter preach exegetically from the scripture praise god do
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those things we we honor you um but stay in your lane you don't get it and you're wrong that
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springfield the cats and dogs where those immigrants are coming in that was broken by
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an anonymous account yeah and it potentially changed because then he brought it up in the
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debate among other things the course of the election and the course of the united states
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that's right they're eating the cats they're eating the dogs the trump dance from an anonymous
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dude with a uh who's the guy from waco texas uh the cult leader david koresh oh ds yes guy with
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It's just a David Koresh profile picture named Captive Dreamer.
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All right, so we're going to go to our first commercial.
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That's a perfect negative example of what we're talking about, what we'd like to see
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more pastors and older Christian saints who we appreciate and honor, what we'd like to
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Zoolander, okay, so here's another one for you.
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i think i can help with this uh pam pan situation this anon anon situation so i'm very much aware
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uh i i've noticed that i'm getting dragged as the kids would say in the uh in the comment section
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um i i understand the concept it's a pretty basic concept anonymous anon i get that but i've heard
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it both ways pam pam situation can you name that movie will ferrell i think it's uh who's the other
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guy john riley john john c riley nathan named it nathan that's a bonus for nathan um when he's in
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the interview and uh and then all of a sudden he pops out from behind him they're both in the same
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interview and he's like i think i can help with this pam pan situation so anon anon in the technical
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sense, Anon is of course right. It's of course right. But I have heard some of the best and the
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brightest offline to my face say Anon. I'm not going to mention who they are because I don't
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want to, just because I'm getting dragged by the Anons right now doesn't mean that I need to
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publicly name who these other guys are so that they can drag too. That would be an effeminate
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move. I'm not going to do it. I will own it myself. But I'm going to keep saying Anon,
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at least for the remainder of this episode i feel like i've i've already dug i've said it a
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thousand times in this episode alone um the hole is too deep i can't get out i i'm looking at you
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from outside the hole like that's right there's no way he can't get out so i'm gonna keep saying
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anon but for everybody who says no it's anon the word is anonymous perfectly fair point i understand
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uh but i've just got to go to my grave at this point anon so all right all right uh we're gonna
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to read a tweet. It'll be on your screen. I'll read it out loud from a pastor on X who's about
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middle-aged, not older, probably about your age, Joel. And he had this to say about young men and
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we'll talk about it. So here it is. I, this pastor says, note that those taking issue with a previous
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post and the point he made in that post was that courageous men's lives will not be marked by only
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fighting Christians, but will be marked by their courageous conflict with unbelievers.
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who he said previously, courageous men will fight unbelievers, not just Christians,
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are many people are hiding behind anonymous names with a history of mostly fighting other
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Christians. So he's saying those who took issue with my post, they're people that have, for the
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most part, anonymous names and they're fighting other Christians. This is cringe. I cringe even
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to read this. Would y'all consider your type of anonymous internet courage fighting other
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christians quote based or am i using the wrong word kings seems totally mid though doesn't it
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no cap that was hard to type it was hard to say probably because i'm a grown man not talk how to
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speak by teenagers on tiktok how do y'all do it here's the point this is what he's saying look at
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your lives and the lives of your leaders you talk about a christian nation in theory only it's merely
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a fantasy for you all. Proof? What's the proof of this? Because neither you or they spend any
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meaningful time, or at all, reaching the law so they can be converted. You aren't courageous or
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masculine, quote, kings. You are little boys playing with computers and phones, arguing with
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believers, and podcasting in the safety of your four walls. Christians are soft targets. Neither
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you your anonymous accounts or your leaders those you listen to are impressive well that was
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impressive though i've so we may not be impressive but that was impressive that was um yeah i mean
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that was seriously one of the worst tweets i've read in my life i mean that was insanely bad um
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as the apostle paul would say i must be out of my mind to speak like this but humor a little fool's
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talk um the amount of emails this year alone by the grace of god and god's grace alone that
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that i've received of people who have come to faith for the first time converted to christianity
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this year alone because of our podcast um is is in it it's it's a lot it is a lot of souls
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being one to Christ. And anonymous accounts helping us by sharing our content, by pushing
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the discourse, yeah, no, it does make a difference. Here's the deal. If you're tweeting 14 hours a day
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to the neglect of the clear things that you're called to do by God in Scripture,
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with your marriage, with your children, working outside of the home as a man in dignified ways
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and trying to not only be a provider and a protector
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but lay up an inheritance for your children's children,
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of those things, then touch grass, man, for sure.
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For sure, then you're in sin and you need to repent.
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But that's not what the tweet we just read says.
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It claims, it asserts as a definitive, as though the person who wrote it has omniscience, that every Christian anon account that's pro-Christian nationalism, that they're not doing anything, that they're not evangelizing, that they're not doing the work of an evangelist, they're not sharing their faith, that they've won zero souls.
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And not only that, but it also ropes into that, in its accusation, all their leaders.
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and like and and and this is why you don't name here's a it's it's effeminate it's not just
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effeminate it's wicked it is um and this is why um intentionally what will happen guys do this
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again and again and again um they won't name the leaders because as soon as somebody else says are
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you saying that about joel webbin are you saying that about stephen wolf are you saying that about
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brian silvey are you saying that about eric con are you saying that about andrew isker then they
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say oh no no i wasn't thinking about them i was thinking about raw egg nationalists right who's
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not even a christian right like no no no no no you were you were thinking about us you said
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christian nationalists stephen wolf literally wrote the book on christian nationalists and
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anonymous accounts that are pro-christian nationalism and their leaders right i think
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it's safe to assume that that would be christian nationalists with podcasts and platforms that are
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putting out material that these anonymous accounts support, listen to, and share. You're talking
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about CJ Engel. You're talking about Andrew Isker. You're talking about Stephen Wolf. You're talking
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about Ogden. You're talking about me. That is who you're talking about. And here's the deal.
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We are winning souls. We are winning souls. And discipling them.
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And discipling them in the local church setting and online through podcasting and through pastoring
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in both realms and there are many christians that i know of in my church alone that have
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anonymous accounts that are spending clocking in real hours every single week with their wives
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with their children and with other members in the church discipling them or with non-christians
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who are colleagues in the workplace and those things and sharing their faith so just no no
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you're wrong. Now, make a different argument. Say, some of the anonymous accounts that claim
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to be Christian and support Christian nationalist leaders have gone too far. I understand that you
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could use an anonymous account to push the discourse by being a little bit outside of
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the Overton window, and that these things objectively don't go against biblical principles,
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they just go against modern sensibilities, and I think you might be wrong, or maybe you might be
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right, but that is permissible, and I acknowledge that. But in the objective sense, there are some
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things that are simply not allowed in Scripture. Some things really are objectively sin. I noticed
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that these anonymous accounts have said X, Y, and Z. They've used perverse, crude language,
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sexual language. They've degraded women. Okay, now we're cooking. Let them cook, right? That's
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being a pastor and bringing your pastoral sensibilities to uh the social space and i've
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done that yep i have done that hey dude that one you got to delete it got to take it down i'm sorry
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uh but that one it's uh that that one is not just i'm pushing back against the post-war consensus
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no that one you're just sinning yeah you're just sinning um so so there's a place for that but but
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what west just read that tweet isn't is not that that tweet is um all anonymous christian uh
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nationalist accounts are uh losers who have never done anything for the kingdom of god whatsoever
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and all the christian nationalist leaders that you're following aka joel steven wolf all of them
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they also haven't won a single soul to christ and they don't do the work of evangelists brother that
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is a bold claim that's a bold claim especially on your first day so maybe maybe not having the
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next account was a good idea yeah it the i don't have examples of it pulled up but one of the other
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one that that gets levied from our camp is they're in their mom's basement and they're losers right
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so many of them and not every single one of them is literally married but my goodness of guys that
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i think of that are anonymous but i know in some capacity they are hard-working family men often
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with multiples of children like the amount that truly are uh literally like truly in their parents
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basement because they don't work a job that can get them out of there it has to be in the single
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digit percentage one of the big account accounts on twitter write some really good stuff cryptos
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dude has like six kids and just about as many grandkids and people assail him or whatever like
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you won't attach your name to this he is so accomplished and so well read and so successful
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privately and outside of this life that if you're going to try to use this banner well those that
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wouldn't attach their name to it they won't do that because they haven't accomplished anything
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and everything that they said would be discredited no they've accomplished so much so many of them
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and so that that falls into the realm slander when you're saying these people have accomplished
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nothing they're losers no actually that most of them are very successful good godly men that you
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just poisoned slandered and lied about amen dude if guys knew who smash bales was like i've had the
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privilege of getting to spend some time with him in person and i would consider him a friend but uh
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they just assume like you're an anonymous account so you must be 350 pounds in your mom's basement
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and you've done nothing you know in life or for the cause of christ right um i one day i mean
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obviously today's not that day and it's not my right or my position to do this but one day i
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hope that he is secure enough to where he can just come out and be like here i am come at me and
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nobody can do you know a darn thing about it but uh some of these uh large christian nationalists
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uh anon accounts are um not only are they not uh overweight out of shape losers but they are some
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of the most accomplished um yeah it's it's impressive every time they dock someone this
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happened to a lomez they like docks this writer named lomez he's written for first things just
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an attractive handsome well-accomplished dude like every time they dock someone on the right
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like oh it turns out they're well-adjusted family good-looking healthy right we got him again
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Because right-wing views tend to align, not always, but it does tend to align with people who have discipline, are hardworking, are healthy, are pro-family, pro-marriage, all those kinds of things.
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It's the leftist that look like orcs with purple hair, right?
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that leftist progressive worldview, it pairs perfectly with an orc, you know, but the right
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wing worldview, especially whether you want to call it, you know, the new dissident right or
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Christian nationalism or in an old sense, because it's really old ideas, because it's really not
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new, it's just being, you know, dusted off and rediscovered, but paleoconservative would be
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another good term for it uh these are old old views that appeal to um to men who are disciplined
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accomplished in shape with high testosterone yeah yeah that's we're gonna do a full episode
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sometimes politics is biology there's so much great research so x is one way to push the overton
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and to change the discourse and to disciple and shape people and all these absolutely um another
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way is literally just to uh to get people to work out right to uh to stop eating seed oils yep um
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you can like seriously studies have studies have been done about this um at a certain point your
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testosterone hits a certain point and all of a sudden you it's like i don't even know what
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happened but i i just came out of the voting booth and for the first time in my life i voted
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republican right down ballot yeah like if if you have high estrogen you vote democrat oh overweight
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women vote democrat at higher levels than women that are in shape just at this raw statistical
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level yep yep all righty that's great that's good content i love it i have a question um you guys
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help me out here because this is a legitimate question that i have what i'm not asking us to
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speculate but like what let's steal man why are some of the establishment um even christian
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voices opposed do you think to this whole anon army idea like like it's in our history um there
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are good reasons for it um is it the abuses that that that we see sometimes because certainly of
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course there's a sense where if i'm behind a curtain i can go too far yeah um is it the abuses
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Or is it just, Steve Day said something a little while ago.
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He said that the older generation doesn't understand the language of memes.
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A meme is not about what the historical context of an image.
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A meme is about the immediate message that it communicates in that moment.
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And his point was there's a different language that's being developed online that people who didn't grow up online or don't spend a lot of time online don't really speak very well.
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Part of it is I think some of the establishment is upset about it.
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Like the simplest explanation is that because the anons are currently attacking them.
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I mean, it's pretty simple in that regard.
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So I think we'd be naive if we didn't acknowledge that that is at least one factor.
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I think they may actually have some principles that the older, more established Christian leaders who don't like the Anon accounts, I think some of their distaste towards the Anon accounts comes from principle.
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but we have to acknowledge that if it's not the exclusive soul factor it is at least one of the
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factors uh that they also don't like the anon accounts because the anon accounts are dragging
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them and making them look silly yeah so that that's part of it is the anon accounts currently
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are against them that is absolutely part of it beyond that i would say that um because of
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just technological innovation and all these kinds of things um it is easier than ever before
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ever before to say something publicly we've never been able to because you know freeze even in
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places that had free speech um they they just practically speaking there was only a few people
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in in the entire world who would be able to freely speak to thousands of people yeah right because
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the ability whether it was you know caesar and rome and an amphitheater being like just the you
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know like a pauper couldn't do that right and so it wasn't until the gutenberg printing press
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you know that you could actually uh somebody could but even then it like it costs money
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you know and so it has to be yeah it had to be approved by different people so this is really
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one of the first times in human history um that so so yes there's a rich heritage of anonymous
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accounts and and a real purpose for that um but this is one of the first times i guess what i'm
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trying to say is this is one of the first times in history that you can have um an anonymous
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account an anonymous person or somebody writing under a pseudonym um who sucks and unvetted
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like unvetted but not just unvetted like they're not good yeah yeah like there are like i have to
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be honest like there are plenty of anon accounts and i'm not saying they're not good because
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they've gone too far there are guys who do that that's a separate category going too far they
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actually have broken some kind of moral boundary they've actually uh in entered into an objective
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level of sin there's that that's not what i'm talking about right now what i'm talking about
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is take morals aside i'm saying there are actually plenty of anon accounts today that are just not
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good right like yeah like your hot take is it's not it's not insightful you're not wise you're
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not very intelligent you're not very effective it's just you don't get it you just don't get it
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yeah exactly like it's it's not good so so my point is you know if i'm trying to steal man
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right and and be fair to uh some of the the older established christian leaders um especially the
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guys in our camp who i love who i think are wrong on some things but i love and respect and
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appreciate those guys i think uh if they were arguing from principle i think they probably
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wouldn't say this but what i'll say on their behalf because they may not say it themselves
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is one of the reasons they don't like the anonymous accounts is because the anonymous
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accounts are currently against them and making them look silly right so i'll add that reason
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I think, you know, to give some reasons that they might say themselves, they would say, yeah, but also, you know, when John Adams or Jefferson or somebody, you know, one of the founders is writing under a pseudonym, they were good.
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Exactly, they were well-read, intelligent, you know, but now, like, anybody can have an anon account.
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So he built a multimillion-dollar business, and then he's dedicated his life now to reading,
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right-wing, and left-wing works, and being a political commentator.
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So say you're really successful, and he worked hard.
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So if you left that arena, you were successful.
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Maybe that's pastoring or ministry or something else.
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And you went on there, and then immediately, people that hadn't accomplished a tenth of
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you accomplished. We're picking your arguments apart and people were siding with them. If you
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had any level of pride, it would be very easy to say, bucko, listen here. You don't know what I've
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built. You don't know what I've done. You don't know what I've read. Yeah, that's kind of snarky
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and yeah, I may have had a gap there, but you don't get the bigger picture and I know better
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than you. So it's going from one arena where you're successful. Maybe you've built a school
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or a church or a business or a ministry. You've built that all up and then you want that respect
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to carry over all right now i'm saying this and i want you to view it the same way and take it with
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the same rigor and it's not that good and people tell you to your face immediately when you don't
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even know who it is that wasn't that great it wasn't well that thought out it takes a lot of
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humility to say yeah actually i was wrong yeah i need to tighten that up um which it's tough pride
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is a sin i think probably probably of all of them many sins are a function of pride and so you have
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to have a certain level of humility to have your ideas tested in the public square where anyone
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and everyone can say that that was stupid and a lot of people can agree with them and you can feel
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foolish yeah that was very well said yeah pride is absolutely one of the factors and um yeah i
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i think you know there are well so uh you know can there be a particular sins that might um
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might be um can can different peoples nations peoples races uh be known for uh one particular
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sin and then or three particular sins and then another nation or people group known for another
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sin i would argue yes yes um and not that they're marked by it for all of time i'm post-millennial
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i think all the nations eventually are going to flock to mount zion um so it doesn't mean they
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can't be redeemed it doesn't mean people can't change over time but at any given point of time
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in a present moment in history uh can americans be uh marked and and that doesn't mean each and
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every individual american but in a general sense can america be known for uh one particular sin
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like gluttony you know uh whereas you know another nation like ethiopia is probably not known for
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gluttony right you know um yeah that's that's a thing um congenerations right so here's what i'm
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getting to um can generations particular generations be known in a general sense that
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doesn't mean there aren't exceptions to the rule not each and every individual person not universally
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but generally can generations be known for particular sense yes um and i just i think we
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need to be honest yes we need to be respectful as a younger generation we need to honor at the same
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time we also need to be honest um boomers do not apologize in a general sense they do not
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apologize or admit when they're wrong that generation is known for that particular sin
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um every generation has pride so i'm not saying that that boomers are uniquely prideful i'm not
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saying that they're more prideful than gen x or millennial or zoomers i'm not that's not my
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argument but pride has um different expressions pride can uh it can reveal itself through different
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avenues and the particular expression of pride that i'm speaking of not being willing to admit
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when you're wrong. I think that that does embody the boomer generation to a higher degree in
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general, not every single one of them, but in general more than Gen X or millennials. Like I
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have always, and all glory be to God, must be out of my mind to talk like this, you know, humor a
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little fool's talk, but by the grace of God and his grace alone, nothing in and of myself, innate
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to me, but by God's grace, I've just always been much more comfortable admitting when I got
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something wrong. So I was pastoring in California in 2020 when COVID hit and all that, and we skipped
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four weeks of church. And when we started meeting, we couldn't meet inside because we didn't have a
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building. We were kicked out of the school that we were renting from. And so we met the only place
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we could, which was outside. We would have met inside if we could have, but we were outside and
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about half of the members, a third of them didn't come back at that time, at least not for a couple
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weeks. And then they started to trickle back. But the two thirds that did come, that first Sunday
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outside wearing a mask. And I'll be the first to admit, yeah, that was stupid. Now, pastorally,
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I would have missed out on half the church coming back if I didn't do it. I was not the guy saying,
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let's wear a mask. But there were other leaders that were saying, let's wear a mask at the time.
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And more importantly, about half of the members were saying, let's wear a mask at the time. In
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fact, a third of the members that didn't show up, they were angry at me because I said, this is a
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historic Sunday. We're excited. It'll be our first Sunday to come back together and historic, because
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at the time outdoor services even a drive-in service where you went through the radio you did
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like the little microphone the device that goes yeah exactly like a like a drive-in movie where
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you turn to a certain station on the radio um and and it comes in your car like um that was illegal
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by gavin nusolemi uh the governor of california that was illegal at the time that we were uh
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going beyond that i know it all sounds silly now but at the time to do a drive-in where the family
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was staying in their car with the windows up that would have been illegal for for uh in in the state
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of california because we were we started meeting in april at the end of april 2020 uh but we went
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even beyond that that would have already been breaking the law we broke the law even further
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uh by doing out of the cars and outdoor service um but still uh you know there's this picture but
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here's the deal um i have all the caveats that i just gave you know certain uh certain members
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wouldn't have come back if i wasn't wearing the mask and this was going on and this was going
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I'm wearing a mask outside and it's still gay.
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And I didn't just do this four years later in hindsight.
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and every time that picture surfaces not every time because there's so many trolls i just i
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can't respond to all of them because i got a wife and kids and a life to live but you know
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occasionally when that picture surfaces some major account and it's getting a lot of attention
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this is how i deal with it i don't just give all the disclaimers that i just gave
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i also make sure to say oh and also i was wrong
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boomers don't they don't get it yeah i was wrong said never by the vast majority of boomers you
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know how easy it is people people seriously this happens all the time this is just part of life
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because we're all human we're all fallible but people will they'll get you in in a stranglehold
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do you know how to break out of that hold so easily it'll blow your mind
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just say i was wrong yep about 10 000 word apologies that are so long my thumb is they
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don't have any actual apology in them no it's actually just a 10 000 word double down
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and it's an explanation but never an apology yeah you don't actually have to do that the elites don't
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want you to know this but you can just say i was wrong yep and move on and i've had to do that
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again and again. So even with the Tobias thing, I'm not going to get into all that. I'm going to
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just say one little point. I felt like I messed up at least in one way. Other things I think are
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arguable. You can make an argument that this was wrong. I can make an argument that it wasn't.
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There's people on my side, people on your side. But there was one thing, one thing. And even this,
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people are like, Joel, you shouldn't even apologize for this because there's an argument
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that can be made. I'm aware, but I know my heart. Other people don't. I do. And when I said I was
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doing the meme as as the kids say that the troy movie with brad pitt where he says um and that's
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when uh why nobody will remember your name when i said that i was doing the meme i was being funny
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i was also being prideful i know my heart and i know that in my heart at that moment there was at
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least some degree of pride so you know what i did when all this is blowing up um as others clarified
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I apologized. Some clarify, and others repent. And I said, okay, is there anything that I can
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repent for? That one. I know my heart. That statement actually could have been made without
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it being prideful. And everybody said, oh my gosh, Joel's just, you know, look, just another
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example of how he only cares for earthly power and earthly glory. Guys, one of the greatest
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judgments in the Old Testament that God deals out to people is not just that their name would
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not be written in the Lamb's Book of Life. That matters most. Eternity, is your name remembered
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in heaven? Is it remembered by God? Is your name written in the Lamb's Book of Life? Sure,
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that's ultimate. But to pretend that ultimate things matter and then everything else doesn't
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matter at all goes against Scripture. Paul says physical training is still of some value, right?
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Spiritual training, ultimate value. Physical training, still some value. Well, likewise,
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your name written in the eternal sense, remembered by God, written in the Lamb's book of life,
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ultimate value. But your name being remembered on earth also has some value, not ultimate value,
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but some value, and I would argue biblically, great value. Because stated in the negative,
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on the flip side of the coin, one of the greatest and strictest, harshest judgments that God dealt
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out is he said that with certain individual men who had sinned against God in high-handed ways,
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God said, I will blot out his name, not just from the Lamb's book of life, but I will blot it out
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from earth, meaning I will cut off his offspring. He will be forgotten. To be forgotten is actually
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a terrible thing. It is a terrible thing. And to desire, now desires can be sinful,
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sinfully incentivized, or they can be righteously incentivized. And that's for God to know and for
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the individual to also do the important scrutiny and heart work to examine themselves and to say,
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as David did, search me, O Lord, see if there's any fault in me and wherever there is fault to
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repent. But that said, it is not inherently, automatically, sinfully motivated to desire
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legacy and glory and to be remembered, not just in heaven, but on earth, because we know that
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it's a strict judgment to be forgotten. So there you go. There's the disclaimer. I could explain
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that, explanations, till the cows come home. However, I could also just say, yeah, all those
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things are true. But also, I think in that moment, I was riled up. I was frustrated because of the
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situation, things that were going on. And in that moment, as I said those words, your name will be
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forgotten. I can make a biblical argument. I can make a practical argument because your last name
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It's very difficult to pronounce, but also there's a moral point to be made.
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Speaking for myself, I did have arrogance in my heart.
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Part of it, at least part of it, stemmed from pride in Joel's heart.
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and i said praise god that uh that uh his love doesn't just cover mistakes but it covers a
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multitude of sins and i'm sorry yeah i said something that boomers can't like again in
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general not all of them not each and every individual but in general they can't say that
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and so i do think the generations can be marked by particular sins and one of the particular sins
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for boomers is pride not necessarily more pride than other generations but pride with a particular
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expression the particular expression being a a extreme hesitancy and reluctance to admit when
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they get something wrong that that was my point there's a good comment from mb east and then
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maybe we'll go to our second commercial break but they said they had a friend and um just maybe we'll
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have it right up here i had a friend that said it rocked my faith that my dad never apologized
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he always excused himself and then blamed they or then blamed me people's faith is impacted when
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they have a dad or a parent figure that it's always it wasn't my fault you don't understand
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apologizing repenting is a powerful thing that when it takes the argument away from your opponent
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and is also encouraging to other people like they repented i've got the sin i know and it's as simple
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as that to confess and repent to the lord second commercial break yeah all that though back all we
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got on this to sum it up because michael's question which i thought was a good one what
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why are some of the reasons that the older establishment christian types don't like the
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anons. One, because the anons make them look silly. That's a practical argument. I think
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that's at least partially true. Two, in their defense of the establishment, because anybody
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can be an anon, and some of them actually aren't very good. But then three, because most of the
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establishment guys who are in positions of institutional power, where they actually have
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levers, where they could at least attempt, whether it's successful or not, attempt to gatekeep,
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that the would-be gatekeepers tend to be the older generation that's lived long enough and
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achieved enough to get into those seats of power. And the older generation would be the boomer
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generation. And the boomer generation, I believe, is particularly marked by not more pride than
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other generations, but pride in a specific avenue expression, namely not willing to admit that
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they're wrong and the idea that um that it's one thing to uh to get um thoughtful feedback
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uh in a peer-reviewed study you know what i mean right but it's another when your magnum opus your
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life's work is picked apart by a 17 year old right uh with a picture of william wallace or
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yeah exactly and um and and that's hard for anybody that's hard for any generation yeah yeah
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but uh that is particularly hard for boomers because it is so foreign to them so foreign
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right um and boomers i believe um out of the generations not that have ever lived of all
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human history but out of the generations currently alive right now when i think of just the four
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main ones boomers x millennials and z um i think i can say not each and every individual but in
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general sense boomers are far and above less likely to say i was wrong than those other three
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younger generations. And so Anon's pointing out that they're wrong with a particular generation
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All right, guys, I understand I look like the lead singer of an emo band. Here's the deal.
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We recorded that commercial this afternoon or this morning right before today. We needed to
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get it out. I didn't have my hair did at the moment. Plus, I was going to put on a hat. And
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the last thing I'll say is this. Look, I just spent in this episode 20 minutes talking about
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how we should just own it. Yeah, I looked stupid in that commercial. But here's the beauty. I can
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defend myself with this. Not by saying, oh, but really, I looked awesome. And it's just your
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lying eyes. And you should, you're the one who's wrong. No, I look stupid. My one defense is I have
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in the past looked even stupider remember the double part never forget all right michael all
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right so we're gonna start uh landing the plane by the way a little bit of free publicity both
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wes and i grabbed that hat during the break and and felt it and handle it it is a it is not just
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looking it feels really nice because people do the cheapest hat and then they just put their their
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christian label on it that's not what they did this is like i've never i honestly i'm not a huge
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hat guy so i'm not the best but wes yeah all things close he cares unfortunately unfortunately
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yeah for better or for worse but it's really good quality yeah like it yeah it's really good
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yeah it has what is that psalm 2 10 through 12 just even inlaid in there yeah so yeah check it
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out okay back to you michael so what we want to do uh before we handle some questions is spend a few
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minutes and not presume but offer um some guidance or some help or some thoughts towards the uh anons
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out there uh so for what for what it's worth here are some thoughts from from us and one of the
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things that we wanted to make sure we said was there is a difference between an unforced error
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and an unavoidable error not even an unavoidable error but an unavoidable trap right so the
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difference would be um you are running for public office and a reporter says you know do you affirm
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the biblical traditional view of marriage here are your tweets where you and yeah here are your
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tweets you said this um you you said you affirm the biblical view of marriage do you still stand
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by that yep you said sodomite in which case your response say i sure did after careful consideration
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i've decided to become worse so that's the sort of behavior online where you're standing um boldly
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for truth. You're not being, you're not hiding your message. You're not hiding in a, in a way
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where your words are, could be interpreted as unclear. You're being direct. You're being bold.
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You're being forthright. You're putting an edge on it. You're putting an edge on it. Yep. Yep.
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And that's, and that is the sort of thing where culture or, um, wicked media or wicked,
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whatever the society that we live in, we'll see your online words, your interviews, that sort of
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thing. And we'll say, well, because of that, in our eyes, at least you are canceled. Right. And
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maybe, maybe a governor who's a rhino or something like that was thinking about putting you in some
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sort of advisory position, sees that you have been bold in that way and says, well, I'm not going to
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have you be part of my administration. And so in a sense, you, you lose that battle, but you do it
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And right now, providentially, in this present moment,
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on or whatever and it's like um like daniel if it wasn't for a providential you know miraculous
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intervention literally god saving him from being devoured by lions right then he would have lost
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his political seat by virtue of being eaten alive right right because but but and and nobody could
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have said oh that's an unforced error you shot yourself in the foot no no daniel was doing what
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he was commanded by god to do praying and and now some looking into that text some would say
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yeah but it was an unforced error in the sense that he was praying with the windows open you
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know and they would look at matthew 6 when you pray pray in secret for your father right here's
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the deal that was unique to old covenant israel so there's actually part of uh the covenant when
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the uh when the um solomon when solomon built the temple he literally gives in his um uh invocation
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of of christening his christening of the temple he prays as king of israel representative israel
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and covenants this is a covenantal prayer with the lord and he says whenever anyone even if they are
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far off or in captivity praise and faces this temple you will hear from them and so what daniel
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had been doing that this is my exegesis of the text i daniel didn't ramp it up it's not like
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here's a decree from the king and now i'm going to intentionally become worse and shoot myself in
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the foot no he just kept doing what he was always doing so he didn't he didn't uh throw extra
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punches, and he didn't pull punches either. He always prayed, and because of a particular
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covenant established through Solomon at that time related to the temple, especially what Solomon
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said in covenant with the Lord is, if Israel ever found itself one day in captivity, held far off,
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that if anyone would turn and face the temple, facing Jerusalem, Israel, and pray and cry out to
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them. So I think Daniel, the entire time, since he was a young boy, the entire time that they had
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been in exile in Babylon. He had been praying three times a day and facing. He wasn't just
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facing the windows, just sticking it to the man. He was facing a particular set of windows in his
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apartment that were faced a particular direction that happened to be towards Jerusalem where the
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temple was in keeping with a covenant established by Solomon, praying for the deliverance of
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captivity of Israel. That's why Daniel was doing that. And we know that was the case because his
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adversaries knew exactly where to stand to see what he was doing. Exactly. All this was known.
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He wasn't pulling them, certainly, but he also wasn't just sticking it to the man, shooting
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So there's that, and that is commendable online behavior, right?
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But there's also the category of an unforced error, where maybe because you think it's
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anonymous, or maybe you just don't think that it will ever matter, you are dipping into
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the realm either of blatant sin, like Joel said earlier, or even just extremely unwise,
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Where a future employer or a future senator who wants to have you be a chief of staff or just even a future father-in-law, if you're a young man, and your future father-in-law sees that you are posting with an anonymous account that gets docs or something like that, there are the unforced errors that we want to encourage you to avoid.
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Not necessarily because they're morally wrong, although they could be, but they will just, they have the potential to drastically harm or hamper.
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They could connect you to someone else, and they could leverage it, and good guys that you love and you want to see succeed get hampered because you were extremely undisciplined.
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Maybe even sin and not taking a stand for truth, but just at a certain level, you open fire unintentionally on your own guys.
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And that really goes back to something Joel said earlier, which is a striking comment to hear where he said he disciplines his Twitter usage, right?
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In all things men, young men, we are to be disciplined, even in your social media posts from an anonymous account.
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Because discipline is the crown virtue before really all others.
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Discipline precedes every other good thing that will happen in your life.
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And so even in your sarcasm, even in your critique and criticism and cultural engagement,
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Stephen Wolf, he said this last week, not every pastor gets it.
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And so there could be a case where you've decided to be online, you've decided to engage,
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to comment, to interact, and someone should probably know, right?
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That if ever they were tempted, there's a guardian there to say, ah, no, hang on.
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So probably someone in real life that would call you out or say, hey, this wasn't the best idea.
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And that person does not have to be, and maybe even shouldn't be, in many cases, specifically your pastor.
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Here it is on Instagram and on TikTok and on X.
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Now, that could be perfectly fine if your pastor understands, you think he's a good mentor, that would keep an eye on you.
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so someone's able to say my brother in christ i want to see you take political power i want to
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see you run for office and if that's still up by the time you do it it's going to be difficult for
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you or this could have the potential to and it's happened not just once or twice many different
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times to varying degrees good men that were undisciplined not even sinning and it hurt them
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it hurt their allies they'll have someone that'd be able to say to you i saw this hit 30 minutes
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ago still time to delete king go ahead and just pull that offline that's going to be your best
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bet for yourself and again and for those people you are not just alone you interact with us and
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anyone else online you're at some level reflective of them and reflective of the people you ally with
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so for your sake and for those someone should know doesn't have to be your pastor but someone
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should be able to to pick up the phone give the call in a good way not a bad way but a good way
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yep i just heard and i don't remember who it is so forgive me for for forgetting some of the
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details recently i heard a story of someone who was coming into the public eye and had not even
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considered tweets from back you know six seven years teenage years things like that and as soon
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as this person was mentioned as a potential even maybe a trump administration person um people on
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the left went and just screenshotted everything the entire internet presence of this person
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and then that someone had told that person you need to go scrub your accounts when you're a
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teenager did that but it was already too late right and and it i forget all the details but
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it either really hampered or or took this person off the list of consideration altogether yeah
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well absolutely yeah all right comments any other any other suggestions or questions or anons
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no that's good yep i i mean you're not going hard enough that's your word to the anon however hard
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you're going there is that aspect too you need to go harder if you're not spending 14 hours a day
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um yeah no i think you guys gave good words i like what you said west in terms of um
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having somebody have have some accountability yep um and it doesn't there's no bible verse
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that says it has to be your pastor right so like to say like well it has to be your pastor because
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he's in charge of shepherding your soul and so he needs to know you know what you're doing
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okay like well what about what you're doing you know in home like does your pastor should you
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have security cameras in every bedroom of your home and your pastor reviews the footage of every
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like yeah no no like you might you are not responsible for reporting everything you've
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ever done to your pastor um but i think you should have accountability from someone yeah so
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you might get your pastor involved if your trusted friend points out look my brother this is now
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three months and you've just been raging in anger like sinful anger all over social media it seems
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like you actually have an anger problem yeah yeah go get sure spiritual godly counsel then well
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Well, and that's what it would be, is like, you know, so have an accountability partner that does not have to be your pastor, but then having that accountability, if they and you and the conviction of the Holy Spirit, you know, begin to work on your heart and you realize, no, I really am in sin, then, you know, if it's like, I've been in sin, you know, like, I've messed up with, you know, one tweet or something, and okay, then I'm going to do better.
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But if it's a pattern, like you're saying, it's ongoing, then that's when you would go to a pastor and say, hey, I need some help.
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yep yep so okay um yeah i think that's really good let's deal with some questions what do we
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got let's do super chats maybe first yeah i don't know if i can some of some of the super chats i
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don't know if i can answer might have to just give give some some five dollar refunds we got some
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some five i can read michael's this is a good topic i want to know more on so maybe put a pin
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in it michael and anyone else interested michael asked is there perhaps any connection between the
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renaming of jehovah as yahweh in recent years in reformed circles and their move towards christian
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zionism he means in english particularly yes so like english old testament translations yeah i
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want to know more about this i don't know enough now to comment but um in the new year three
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episodes a week we might be able to do one on it yeah my understanding jehovah is more particular
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to jesus and that yahweh is more like the godhead there's something with the vowels with yahweh in
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the hebrew that they get funny with yeah well yeah they just take them out it's just yeah it's
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why why hwh or something like that i think it's more uh pantheistic in nature so that transition
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from a more specific covenantal name to that as i understand it could be interpreted as
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a broader more pantheistic just the god that there are many routes to just a very high level
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that switch and then going from the hebrew zionism that would be the connection there
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okay yeah that over the line like just a more general god whereas jehovah that's what i was
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trying to say is in terms of like jehovah jesus and yahweh god what i was trying to say is like
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jesus you know when we say like and i pray this in jesus name amen like it's it's very particular
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whereas like you would see you know a lot of politicians would be like um you know they'll
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say god but they may not say jesus isn't it because because jesus particularly in god oh like
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like um vivek uh um haji what's uh ramaswami i said it he's indian i like johnny quest
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but the point was uh in saying haji real quick just to cover that uh no i don't i don't want
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him to be president right um it's america yeah it's america okay but anyways um yeah and he's
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hindu right he is haji he's not wearing the turban but he's he's hindu i i stand by haji
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so anyways uh vivek like he's gonna say god and pass it off because he knows he's in america with
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you know a nominal christian audience he went to a catholic school so he knows what he's saying
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when he says that to americans he knows what he is connoting but he'll say god a lot more than
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he's gonna say jesus whereas jd vance you know who's catholic now to be fair isn't he married
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to a hindu yeah he's married to a female haji but he also converted not too long ago that's right
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that's uh far less hopeful so not a lot of hope uh for vivette um but uh the wife of of jd vance
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but here's my point vivette is going to talk about god right and if he was more honest he'd say gods
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you know because the response would be which one out of the three million are we talking about um
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so he's going to say god like yahweh instead of uh jesus more particular like jehovah whereas jd
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vance um he literally said like when somebody was shouting the audience behind him like christ is
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king not god but christ jesus christ is king and he turned around and said that's right christ is
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king now are there problems with vance yeah sure right yeah but man i'm excited amen like give it
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time by god's grace let's pray uh but saying christ or jesus is to saying god as saying jehovah
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is to saying yahweh that that was kind of your point right someone in the chat said we got the
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hebrew all wrong it's possible we'll do more research you're very clear we are not experts
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they appreciate it wait hold on let me let me just read them i i know what you're doing there
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west uh i'm not gonna read let me read them uh quietly is what i'm saying
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oh okay trottle i appreciate that yep johnny quest uh johnny quest all right cool uh any
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other questions out of the super chest now so the cheap seats we'll go with the more relevant
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the relevant question for today's episode then there was one on revelation peter sawyer we see
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in the chat a lot during the early church the church looked down on forging a letter under
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somebody else's name is that the same as using an anonymous name no i would say no no yeah i think
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that's immoral forging is and that is a lie yeah you know you're signing as somebody else who the
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consequences could fall down on their head for you what you're what about ghost writing you're
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framing someone so say like john macarthur i got a new book on ephesians coming out really an
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intern writes 80 percent of it does anyone get any credit in there the interns never write 80
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percent i've i've talked to some people behind the scenes with those things um they organize it
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and put it in book form that is absolutely true but um you're working off everything everything
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with macarthur like it's like how can you write a book every you know every three weeks you know
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what like you you've written you know 4 000 books uh it'll my father-in-law has all of them too
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there are 40 000 and they all exist on my father-in-law's bookshop and all the cds too
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that's rough um but no it's it's uh it all comes from preaching when you like yeah if you if you're
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preaching 50 weeks a year give or take and you've done that for 50 years um it's it's not just like
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oh we're taking the sermons from these six months and making it a book it's also by the time where
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they were making books um and john mccarthur his name started getting out there uh he would
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had already been a pastor preaching 50 times a year for 20 years you know so you already had
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like this backlog, this repository of whatever,
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you know, a thousand, a couple thousand sermons.
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And then now, and you're just adding, you know,
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uh macarthur's books be crafted and i would say they're they're organizing it yeah um it's like
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uh what do you call it nate with like abridged you know like like it's a bridging something
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they're making this a a a consistent stream of thought putting it into chapters and and where
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this one goes in that one but they are working off of the original content the ideas the theology
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is what John MacArthur wrote in his manuscript.
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I would want to just to give those people credit.
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and you could even put it in the back of the book,
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that helped special thanks to so-and-so, so-and-so.
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And that might even be in there, but he produces a lot of books.
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There's a big system there, so there may be help in organizing.
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So the Ghost Rider, all that means that Ghost Rider versus Forging, I think, are different.
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He said, what about Ligonier continuing to produce R.C. Sproul books four years after,
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William Perkins, the same thing happened with him.
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publishers publish their his works you know but they're working off of things that sprawl actually
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did write whether it's essays you know that were published in some theological journal but were
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never you know condensed and put into a small book form or whether it's manuscripts from sermons or
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whether it's a lecture that he gave in a studio or whatever it's taking stuff that they actually
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did write and comprising it organizing it and so all i would say to answer that question again same
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same as rc sprawl even after he's dead is the same as john mccarthur while he's still alive
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Anybody who's having their hand and helping make that finished product deserves credit.
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No, like the credits go on and on and on and on.
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If Hollywood has the moral caliber to be able to recognize that every single individual involved in this product should have their name recognized, then Christian Ministries should too.
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We did an episode on Eastern orthodoxy about a year ago.
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and uh and get his life in order and be an atheist or a nietzschean or something like that
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so rise of eastern orthodoxy please be protestant instead much less cringe well
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it depends parts of my gun you know i'd be like what kind of protestant are you
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what type of protestant yeah protestism catholicism for me would be second if i had a gun to my head
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i was in prison two choices eastern orthodox a third 500 spaces below that though uh being
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cringe being pagan being a nietzschean right so i i don't view that as a threat right now
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get a christian nation i think it will have to be and then white supremacy was part of the question
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do you view that as a threat no no no uh there are always here's the deal it's like but i see
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actual you know talking about anons and i see you know actual racist statements being made first um
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i i would need to see those statements because some of them i'm not saying none of those
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statement there's not one uh one person who's racist um that that wouldn't be my argument but
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i would say depending who's saying oh there's these races i i would i would have to say like
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well let me read the statements because you might not be the best judge um like for instance like i
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remember um this was like a tiff you know on x like a month ago uh where it was like people were
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saying that uh kofi needed to go back all right right yep and some people i'm not gonna name uh
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anybody but some people were like um they said he he has to go back to africa and i and i looked
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back over the tweets and i was like they didn't say africa the dude is literally from england he
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has a he has a british accent yeah he's not american right and what they were saying now
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you can still say like well i disagree i don't think he should go back or i'm glad he's here
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like fine that's fine but you can't say they're racist for saying uh someone who was literally
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not even born in america who is a citizen of another country should go back but so so when
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people say we have a rise of white supremacy that that's why i'm saying um i would first i would
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need to say uh i would need to see which tweets you're talking about because i know plenty of
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guys in our camp who would have said uh kofi needs to go back was uh racist whereas i would say
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no um they weren't saying he needs to go back to africa because he's black they were saying he
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needs to get out of america because he literally wasn't born here and right now he's being dumb
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he's posting cringe and and not and not helping christians in america right right or like sam
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will say who i've spoken at a conference with him i love him i've got nothing against him i think
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he's a great guy but he was getting dragged and was like hey i got it you know uh i'm gonna step
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out on a limb and be courageous and say i don't like christmas hymns you know you're american
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christmas and he got dragged they weren't saying yeah you're black so you don't get to say anything
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no that's not what they were saying of course you don't like them because you're not a native
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american right yeah you know oh oh the foreigner is saying he doesn't like american history and
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heritage shocking you're from ghana then canada then here so they went it was nothing about him
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being black right it was about you are quite literally a foreigner so all that being said
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when people say the rise of white supremacy i'm not saying that there aren't actual real uh race
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and race is just not a good word, but real sinful prejudices that the Bible would actually condemn
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as sinful towards whole races of people without any justifiable cause, simply on the basis of
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them being a different race, a sinful prejudice against them in biblical terms. I'm not saying
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that doesn't exist. What I am saying, though, is the two examples that I just gave with Kofi and
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Samuel Say, I know that many of the people who are saying there's a rise of white supremacy
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we're still in relationship this is a hilarious story it is funny uh but we're still in relationship
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still keep up um and he was member in the church faithful member ended up you know uh transitioning
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into another church uh but great guy and and he's like super duper um what was he security well
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obviously we're not gonna say his name but like no his job outside of our security right but but
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before that uh in terms of military uh like he was special kind of special yeah yeah like he was
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legit and uh and still like he's older now but like fantastic shape you know like just
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and he's smart he's just a great guy i wish he was still in the church but anyways great guy
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and uh he um he had a hard time coming to the church initially he was watching me for a long
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time online online knew that i was like 10 minutes away our church and and he's like i
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i think that like he's like this guy's i there's no way he's not a fed he's just like he's saying
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too, like he's too based. He's too based. He's got to be a fed. It's got to be a trap. Don't
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take the bait. But then he did take the bait and it was delightful. He was in the church. We had a
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wonderful time. And sometimes you don't take the bait. That's true. But sometimes the thing that
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guys are calling bait is actually just courageous obedience to Christ. And that you do, you don't
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take the bait but you do take the hill and some of our guys right now in our camp are calling the
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next hill where christ is saying come take it yeah and they're calling it baked so there's real bait
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don't take it there are real hills let's take it well and sometimes the word to conquer is bait
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and it doesn't matter we're going to take it anyway yeah that's right yeah sometimes you're
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right sometimes the enemy actually does like like sometimes it's like he really does set a trap
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The righteous and those who are wise know it's a trap,
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and then we spring the trap on purpose because it's like,
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yeah, it's going to be a 10-on-1 odds against us, and I like our odds.
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If Christ is for us, one can cause 1,000 to flight.
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But if God is on our side, who can be against us?
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I was going to say, to some people, too, it can seem like you kind of sprang out of nowhere.
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2014 was the first time I met you in San Diego.
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you didn't come out of nowhere straight from langley plugged into georgetown you've been
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in ministry for a long time i've been to your church in that ministry um yeah you didn't come
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from nowhere i think you put in a lot of faith work over the years that led to the growth right
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response in the last few years yeah thanks yeah having people that know you long term uh definitely
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helps um and and by god's grace our church our church is small it's only three and a half years
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old you know so we're about 200 people and uh but there are some like like my parents my mom and dad
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are members in our church right you know um i've got nathan is my cousin you know and we're related
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and then i've got brother-in-law in the church and you know and then people you know we've got like
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what eight families that came with us from california that have been with us for you know
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i've had relationship with for over a decade one of my best friends is member in the church that
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we met roommates in college it's been 18 years so yeah that helps all right uh what's another one
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that you guys want to read oh here we go thanks for defending sanity thank you this is jeff uh
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halfley is that what we're doing yep jeff halfley uh from all the greatest christian prince of the
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last 400 years if not who would you nominate for the title adolf hitler i was about to say
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i literally knew that was coming i could have done myself no frank so real quick that's i think a
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good one where we're talking about like strategy and stuff like that um you can disagree on
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historical events like some guys are going to say no i just i don't i'm sorry i like there's a
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difference in saying um the morals are right like we should eradicate an entire race of people and
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that's great and i support it okay well i got a problem with that pastor orly i gotta deal with
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that uh but somebody's saying no historically i just think the numbers are wrong russiany thought
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the numbers are wrong yeah for 30 years for 30 years okay we've talked about that he was already
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so guys who disagree with the history and they're like no i just i i think it's wrong right the
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nuremberg trials are like a lot of them were performed by bolsheviks so right the soviets
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the soviet communists who in part were made up by jews are are the guys who are tasked with the
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nuremberg trials to find out how many crimes to bring the evidence of how many crimes the nazis
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performed that's a little sus you know so anybody who's saying those kinds of things that's you
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might be wrong right right you might be wrong and if you're going to go against the mainline
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consensus um then yeah you like you need to you need to do the reading you need to like you need
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to come put your best foot forward and and have some strong arguments like that you shouldn't do
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that lightly you shouldn't just be a contrarian who's like well 80 of the population believes
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this so then i'm going to believe the other right like a lot of like a lot of guys right now like
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the flat earth thing people like joel you got to be flat you're super base so you got to be flat
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earth too no um just because something's a minority position doesn't mean i automatically
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take it i'm sorry i think we've been to the moon i think the whole conspiracy saying that we haven't
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been to the moon honestly i think that that's just to rob one more achievement from white men
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believe it or not so i actually think that we have been to the moon and all the guys who are
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saying space isn't real and nasa is fake and um i think ironically you're actually teaming up
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with the progressive libtards who want to say that the white man has never done anything uh
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worthy of all astroturf achievement yeah uh-huh so you're actually i think you're the loser okay
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so all that being said here's the point um i you can be flat earth and be a member in our church
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that's fine and you can disagree with the numbers and you can disagree with uh some of the um the
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reasoning and stuff you know like churchill cutting off supply blah blah uh that that's history
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the morals though the morals is where we get into it um i i just from his own words from his own
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words, I do not believe you can make a defensible argument that Hitler was a Christian, much less
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a great Christian prince. That's why I know much to the disappointment of some of the anons online.
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It's like, no. It's funny. Some of the guys are like, I was just about. For months, you've been
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in controversy, and you've stood up and protected this member in your church against an onslaught
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of big names. And this whole time, for months, I could have sent you a donation, but I haven't
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done it yet, but I was just about to. And then you helped Joseph Spurgeon and said that Hitler's
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not a Christian prince. And so now it's like, really? For two months, I've been getting raped
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and stood my ground and you didn't give a donation, but you were going to give it in the
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next 15 minutes and the timing was like your $15 donation. So no, I don't believe you. So no,
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I don't think that Adolf Hitler was the last Christian prince. Here I stand, I can do no other.
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But, and my point is back to, you know, anons and not just morally, but strategically, what wins?
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So I think it's actually immoral, which is why I've...
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The history you can disagree with, but the views.
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But then also, aside from just morality, and that should be enough, because we're Christians, we love Jesus, and we want to be moral.
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so part of the reason like some of you you're like joel you're super based i just saw you were
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picked up by candace owens or you know i saw you on this or i saw you on that and then and then you
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start following me and then some of you get disappointed because then i'll you know i'm i'm
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i'm based but i won't be quite as based as you want you know like i i'm i'm not um i'm not a
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part of you know like uh some kind of you know covert group to you know to try to take down nasa
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you know, or I don't, I'm not making a t-shirt, you know, that says Hitler was the last Christian
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prince, you know, like, oh man, I had such high hopes for Joel, but he's a disappointment, you
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know, he's like, no, guys, I'm just, I'm not retarded. I'm sorry. Like, you're not looking
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for courage. You're looking for stupidity. And so if that's what you're, then yeah, I'm not going
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to be your hero. I'm sorry. Daryl Cooper, Martyr Made Podcast, great. It's great. The member of my
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church i'll defend him to the cows come home guys who disagree on the history of world war ii i'm
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with you i i i will defend you um yeah any pastor trying to put you under church discipline i will
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publicly say that's wrong um there's a lot of things that like i'm your guy um but actually
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rewriting some of hitler's own words and saying that he uh truly loved the lord jesus christ
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and had no sinful animosity in his heart towards Jews.
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And even if I was, it is not a winning argument.
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adolf hitler is a retarded one so stop it just just can i can i throw franco in though in there
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for how effective he was franco is not as good as uh and jr tokian greatest author of all time
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loved him yeah so oren mcintyre we'll plug him yeah he's a friend we like him he's coming to
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the conference uh but oren just did a podcast like two weeks ago or a week ago and it was uh
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he was commentating reading an essay and uh and commentating on it and it's uh this guy who wrote
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an essay off of observing a conversation he was in a pub with uh c.s lewis and c.s lewis was the
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lib in this particular conversation um rare c.s lewis l and tolkien was was the conservative
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and lewis because lewis was a protestant right whereas tolkien was a catholic and so lewis was
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like uh you know in the popular view at that time tolkien was going against the popular view
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but uh and lewis was you know lining up with the the mainline consensus in that moment on
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Franco and so Franco and he was like well we don't like him he's a tyrant he's he's a fascist
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he's an authoritarian and you know he's breaking way too many eggs to make this omelet he's gone
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too far and Tolkien was like well they were killing Catholics the communists are killing
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Catholics they're killing nuns they're killing worse things and worse things and yeah that we
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won't save for the algorithm with with youtube but um they're doing terrible things and um and
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so tolkien was sitting there defending uh franco and saying yeah like heavy hand no doubt uh no
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doubt heavy hand uh but this dude is not a villain right so uh cromwell better better example probably
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franco though i'm gonna go on record and say permissible yeah i pick stonewall jackson over
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him yeah i pick cromwell over him um i pick robert e lee over him but uh but i am not gonna sit here
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That's like people who pronounce every foreign word
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but um franco i do think is permissible anybody who's coming out and saying like oh my gosh he
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was terrible and this is uh guys on the right are saying good things about him those guys are libs
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they've always been libs they they just look like conservatives in 2018 because the libs were
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winning and by compared but those guys are libs james lindsey is a lib michael o'falon god bless
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him he's a brother in christ he'll be in heaven but he's a lib he is and so um so yeah so i i think
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anybody who's defending franco that's great i would say though i think if you if you want to
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steal man and put your best foot cromwell back to the question from jeff halfley uh cromwell is a
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better christian prince example but i would say cromwell great franco defensible um hitler
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retarded guys i like it's just not a winning strategy i don't think it's defensible
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and it's not a winning strategy the post-war consensus has to be utterly obliterated but
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obliterating the post-war consensus and everything i don't like is adolf hitler
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does not require us to say that hitler was a christian prince and i'll say this last um it's
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similar to uh napoleon napoleon demonized this is what history does over time because because
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hitler's still kind of recent it's 80 years um but this is what history does uh napoleon demonized
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and then for a brief moment with some sectors lionized right right so he's the embodiment of
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evil oh no he's the hero he did nothing wrong and then eventually what history does is humanize
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demonize lionize humanize i think we're in the demonizing shifting to lionizing phase
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on hitler right now and what i'd like to do is can we just skip over like what martyr maid has
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done, what Daryl Cooper, and just humanized. That's what he did on, he did not say Last
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Christian Prince, but what he did say is, well, Churchill wasn't so great, and here are these
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factors, these factors, these factors, these factors. Still think this was immoral, still
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think this was wrong. Also, it's not as bad as what the seven Hollywood movies every year for
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the last 80 years have been saying, and we don't need to lionize them, but we do need to humanize
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And when we say humanize, that doesn't mean a defense that there's nothing wrong.
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But the post-war consensus, I think part of tearing it down does involve, this isn't a
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It does not include, it is not necessary to lionize Hitler.
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I really think that we can beat the libs and tear down the post-war consensus and have a muscular right, dissident right, Christian nationalist, without having to say that Hitler is the last Christian prince.
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John Winthrop, first governor of Massachusetts.
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Julie mentioned it earlier, but Nate, if we're, if we're ready with that particular piece of
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historical. Oh, beautiful. We got it. There we go. Boom. So this is the Luther meme,
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the Luther illustration of the, the common German folk farting at the Pope. Beautiful. And is that
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like almost, it looks like it's almost even the fart is so potent. Yeah. It is setting it like
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on fire to the Latin Vulgate. Yeah. Oh, that's Latin Vulgate, of course, pronounced Latin
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