The NXR Podcast - THE LIVESTREAM - For The Anons On X

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00:00:44.580 Much of the culture war today is fought by anonymous accounts.

00:00:48.620 For a long time, even the massive X account, Libs of TikTok, remained anonymous until it was doxed. 0.62

00:00:55.120 In the Reformed world, many Christian men tackle controversial topics behind the shield 0.65

00:01:00.860 of a fake name. Critics, including establishment organizations and Christian leaders,

00:01:07.400 dismiss these accounts for refusing to attach their real names to their ideas. But Anons 0.99

00:01:13.620 argue that it's necessary for their safety and their families. Are anonymous accounts a display

00:01:20.140 of cowardice and petulance or do they hold a strategic and noble role in the culture war

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00:01:28.760 all right guys um here we are right out of the gate um the first thing that i want to talk about

00:01:43.540 is we need your help uh we have some lofty goals for the year of our lord 2025 um one thing is we

00:01:52.480 are once again we're going to keep a similar set because i i really like the set but we're going

00:01:56.620 to double the size of the set so that we on occasion we can have more guests and things

00:02:00.100 like that we're going to do some some different looks and uh and so we are actually moving into

00:02:04.720 a new space uh in the near future uh next year it's not going to be january but next year you'll

00:02:10.340 see some changes with the design and aesthetics but by lord willing may of next year we're going

00:02:15.100 to be in a new studio so um that is going to cost some money we're going to need some help with that

00:02:20.380 in addition uh i've said this a few times but i want to say it again both michael and wes are

00:02:25.460 going to be coming on part-time so right now uh all they're doing is just the wednesday live stream

00:02:30.360 and part of the reason that it's been successful is because they're not just showing up and piping

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00:02:44.520 and then finding statistics and charts and quotes

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00:02:52.580 they do the reading.

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00:02:55.820 each week, each show.

00:02:57.700 And that's part of why this Wednesday live stream

00:03:00.960 has been so successful.

00:03:02.380 But what we want to do next year, 2025,

00:03:04.960 is we're gonna do it three times a week.

00:03:06.940 I think I said in a previous live stream

00:03:09.240 that it's going to be 4 p.m but but we're actually going to do bump it earlier yeah yeah so it's

00:03:13.240 going to be 3 p.m central time not just on wednesdays once a week but three times a week

00:03:17.760 so it's going to be monday wednesday and friday and that's going to start lord willing the first

00:03:22.320 week of january so the very first week of january in may getting a new studio space like an actual

00:03:28.400 new facility um but starting in january still some new uh set designs and things like that you'll see

00:03:33.800 a new aesthetic a new you know optically it'll be a little bit different uh but the biggest thing is

00:03:38.440 uh triple the content triple the content and so we're going to have monday wednesday friday live

00:03:44.160 stream at 3 p.m central time with me michael and wes preparing for those shows some of them are

00:03:50.200 going to be boom this cultural uh you know political event just happened and uh we're

00:03:54.460 getting after it you know quick turnaround 24 hours and uh and here's our thoughts um and then

00:03:59.540 some will be long form it may be that uh every single week we have uh one of the three shows

00:04:04.380 is an ongoing 10 part, you know, dialogue on some particular topic that's really important.

00:04:10.080 Then in addition to all that, we're also with Right Response Ministries, we're going to keep

00:04:13.380 the Friday special. We feel like this year we tried it with something new. The people love it.

00:04:17.900 We got to give the people what they want. It's, you know, it's been, I think, a hit. We've had,

00:04:23.280 we did Boniface Option over Andrew Isker's book with me and A.D. Robles and Andrew Isker.

00:04:27.520 we did uh what else did we do we did haunted cosmos uh we did cultish we did um oh we did

00:04:34.700 the the jews spelled of course j-o-i-c-e jews talking about you know different things you know

00:04:41.320 kool-aids and uh you know uh capri sun things like that uh but that was me and andrew isker we

00:04:46.620 it was israel we did a a nine-part series on israel but it was fantastic and we're going to

00:04:51.600 make that public uh by the way so you're going to start seeing the whole nine-part series with me

00:04:55.720 and Isker on how Christians should think about Israel, you're going to find that it's going to

00:05:01.040 start dropping publicly on our website, our app, podcast platform, Spotify, Apple, and then also,

00:05:08.120 of course, on X and YouTube, first Friday of the first week of January. So we're going to release

00:05:15.060 episode one through nine, one episode a week on Friday. So the Friday special is going to continue

00:05:20.480 and we already just recorded last week, Q2.

00:05:24.820 And so you're gonna, Q1 is gonna be me and Isker

00:05:26.980 on Israel made available to the public

00:05:29.360 starting the first Friday of January.

00:05:31.280 And that'll be nine weeks.

00:05:32.680 And then you're gonna find the second quarter

00:05:35.380 and that's me and Dr. Stephen Wolf.

00:05:37.020 It's a 10 part series.

00:05:38.260 It's on natural law versus theonomy

00:05:40.680 and natural affections and nationhood. 0.78

00:05:46.040 What is a nation and all things Christian nationalism.

00:05:48.560 And so I think that's going to be super, super helpful.

00:05:50.840 That's going to start rolling out Q2 of next year, starting in April.

00:05:54.400 And that's a 10-part series every Friday.

00:05:56.100 So you've got the live stream three times a week starting January.

00:06:01.220 Next year, Monday, Wednesday, Friday at 3 p.m. Central Time.

00:06:05.760 The Friday special will drop probably either 7 or 8 o'clock.

00:06:09.640 We'll make a decision when we get closer.

00:06:12.000 But 7 or 8 o'clock on Friday Central Time in the evening.

00:06:15.980 So you've got the afternoon live stream, Monday, Wednesday, Friday, and then in the evening,

00:06:20.360 the Friday special will drop.

00:06:21.960 And then with the Friday special, you also will have early access being made available

00:06:26.640 to you.

00:06:27.100 So right now you can get the whole series with me and Isker just for five bucks a month

00:06:31.260 on Patreon.

00:06:31.980 If you go to patreon.com forward slash right response ministries, patreon.com forward slash

00:06:37.460 right response ministries, and sign up at the lowest tier as a member, you'll get all

00:06:41.620 nine episodes ad-free of me and Isker talking about Israel and how the church and Christians

00:06:47.000 should think about the modern state of Israel today. And starting in January, you won't just

00:06:52.100 get that series, but you'll also get the entire 10-part series with me and Stephen Wolfe on

00:06:56.980 Christian nationalism. So you have 19 episodes on Israel and then on Christian nationalism,

00:07:02.100 me and Wolfe saying maybe other nations could do Christian nationalism instead of just Judeo

00:07:08.960 nationalism for Israel. And then everybody else has to be a propositional nation. So you'll have

00:07:13.500 19 episodes, nine with me and Isker, 10 with me and Stephen Wolf, all available in January if you

00:07:19.700 join Patreon. If not, then just hang tight. And each week they'll drip off on Fridays after the

00:07:25.820 live stream later in the evening. So you're going to have the three live streams a week, the one

00:07:29.580 Friday special week, and then we'll continue. Of course, the Lord's Day sermon will be available

00:07:33.760 on all of our platforms on sunday and uh so that's five major pieces of content and we're

00:07:39.040 going to start doing clips again because part of it is uh it's helpful it's strategic and part of

00:07:44.360 it also nathan and i were just talking before we uh started live streaming but it also allows us

00:07:49.320 maybe to if people are going to say what they're going to say and you can only control things so

00:07:53.440 much but we want to uh as much as we can to set uh set the tone in the direction of discourse

00:07:58.780 part of what's happened this year is this is our first year not doing clips because we were biting

00:08:02.560 off these new endeavors like the friday special never done that the live stream had never done

00:08:06.800 that uh but next year we feel like um we actually are able so west is going to help us with that

00:08:12.080 and getting clips from the live stream and and occasionally the friday special and things like

00:08:16.060 that so that we can put out our own clips instead of allowing um i'm a boss babe and a three-piece

00:08:22.960 you know lady suit who uh who hates my husband account three four seven to uh to clip joel

00:08:28.960 webin instead and then she sets uh the discourse you know um so so we want to actually uh clip out

00:08:34.760 and also i'll be frank um you know how much money people made this year off of joel webin

00:08:39.800 a lot we didn't make it um but right like our full episodes are going to get 10 000 views

00:08:45.400 every every now and then there's a banger we get 30 000 views something like that um and and if i

00:08:50.860 do something on nephilim and giants and mermaids then you know then we get like a quarter million

00:08:54.500 but you know for the most part our full episodes are getting 10 20 000 views um but other people

00:09:01.420 are going to clip out you know some five minute thing that they think is unhinged that's completely

00:09:05.500 not if you watch it in context it's what every christian believed until 100 years ago um and

00:09:10.180 they're going to get 400 000 views so i would like for us to clip it and we can get 400 000 views

00:09:16.460 and they can pound sam so that's you know so those are some of the things so three live streams a

00:09:20.920 week, the Friday special, adding some clips in there to make it more palatable, bite-sized for

00:09:26.700 you, the Lord's Day sermon, and in a new studio, and Michael and Wes, for them to do that, they're

00:09:33.440 doing it just one time a week, but for them to triple their workload, and for Wes also to be

00:09:37.340 cutting clips and doing some video editing, it's just that basically they have to, by God's grace,

00:09:42.940 they both have vocations where they're allowed to pull back, but they're not able to pull back

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00:11:31.760 And then again, go over to patreon.com forward slash Right Response Ministries if you'd like

00:11:37.880 to watch the full series on Israel with me and Andrew Isker, and you'll be right there

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00:11:49.360 with me and Dr. Wolf on Christian nationalism drops.

00:11:52.460 Okay, without further ado, let's go ahead and if you can, like the video for the algorithm

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00:12:00.940 right now while we're live streaming, not after the fact,

00:12:03.600 but those of you who are in the chat right now,

00:12:05.840 like the video, give us a thumbs up,

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00:12:15.440 And without further ado, we will begin.

00:12:17.780 All right.

00:12:18.980 Okay.

00:12:20.380 Kick us off, Michael.

00:12:21.120 We are going to be talking about anon accounts

00:12:23.840 and the question of what their role is,

00:12:27.760 what their purpose is, are they helpful, are they not helpful.

00:12:31.800 One of the things that is interesting to think about with Anon accounts

00:12:35.240 is that they are largely a product of a new technology.

00:12:39.800 This whole idea of an anonymous account, as we term it,

00:12:44.260 5, 10, 15, 30 years ago certainly would not have been

00:12:48.700 even something on anybody's radar.

00:12:50.960 It's not like you had, maybe you had a blog at one point

00:12:54.840 where you were typing

00:12:57.460 and you had a pseudonym

00:12:59.180 or something like that.

00:13:00.120 Art Driscoll had a couple of those

00:13:00.980 back in the day.

00:13:01.740 Fair enough.

00:13:02.480 Yep.

00:13:03.040 It did.

00:13:03.520 Got him in trouble.

00:13:04.380 It did.

00:13:05.020 Hey, real quick.

00:13:06.040 Axe of Boniface said,

00:13:07.420 liking it as hard as I can.

00:13:09.200 I just got to say,

00:13:09.980 I don't believe you.

00:13:10.860 You can like it harder.

00:13:12.000 Like it even harder.

00:13:13.020 I need you to create right now, 1.00

00:13:15.000 speaking of Anons,

00:13:15.900 multiple Anon YouTube accounts

00:13:17.380 and multiple Anon X accounts.

00:13:19.660 And you need to,

00:13:20.280 if you are not liking this video

00:13:21.620 as I speak

00:13:22.340 from at least 30 different

00:13:23.860 isolated accounts,

00:13:24.840 then you are not liking it as hard as you can.

00:13:26.720 All right, go ahead.

00:13:28.080 We appreciate you, Acts of Boniface.

00:13:29.620 Yeah, thank you. 0.65

00:13:30.100 That was, I was being silly.

00:13:32.040 That was a joke. 0.94

00:13:33.560 We know.

00:13:34.560 Okay.

00:13:36.000 No, so it's an interesting situation

00:13:38.700 that we're in in history

00:13:39.480 where the idea that people can put their views out

00:13:45.120 for many people to see

00:13:46.460 and can hide, quote unquote, in anonymity.

00:13:50.980 We say hiding because we're not sure

00:13:52.320 that's exactly what's going on here.

00:13:54.840 but this actually is not a new phenomenon in history.

00:13:58.200 This is not a new phenomenon.

00:13:59.020 And I think that's something that we forget

00:14:00.980 and critics of anonymous accounts forget.

00:14:03.460 And so one of the things that I wanted to do

00:14:05.260 to start off with here

00:14:06.140 was to look at a little bit of the history,

00:14:07.860 not of anonymous X accounts,

00:14:09.720 that would be anachronistic,

00:14:10.960 but just anonymous contributions to the cultural dialogue

00:14:13.500 and in particular, even Christians doing this, right?

00:14:16.900 And so you can take this idea back a long way, 0.87

00:14:21.140 but I went back to the Reformation

00:14:22.120 and one of the interesting things

00:14:24.060 that's been noticed about the Reformation

00:14:25.480 is that Martin Luther's ideas in a large way,

00:14:29.840 I mean, it didn't destroy Catholicism.

00:14:31.900 That wasn't his goal, but it did. 0.99

00:14:33.500 It won the day, at least for Protestants, right? 1.00

00:14:36.280 Fantastic memes. 1.00

00:14:37.080 Do we have a screenshot of some of the Luther memes?

00:14:39.740 I didn't think we'd get any.

00:14:40.960 All right, I'm gonna describe it in great detail.

00:14:43.920 Great, the greatest detail.

00:14:46.520 Not that great of detail.

00:14:47.500 It's pretty simple.

00:14:48.900 Picture peasants standing in front of the Pope

00:14:51.240 who's seated on a throne, and they're wearing robes. 0.52

00:14:53.640 they're lifting up their robes, bare bottom, farting in the Pope's face. God bless. That's

00:14:58.060 the Reformation. When I think of the Reformation, I think of anon accounts memeing the Pope. Amen.

00:15:04.560 But one of the things that historians and thinkers have pointed out is that Luther was really

00:15:11.320 echoing ideas that had already been put out before. Jan Hus, John Wycliffe had been pushing similar

00:15:16.780 ideas. And you can talk about God's providence, but we know that God works providentially in

00:15:22.480 history through means. And one of the things that was different with Luther than with Huss or

00:15:27.540 Wycliffe was that the printing press had been invented. And so people have said that the Battle

00:15:32.600 of the Reformation was actually the Battle of the Printing Press, the printed word, which allowed

00:15:37.280 Luther and others, for the first time in history, to compete with the published volume, the amount

00:15:43.820 of volume that the Catholic Church was able to get out into public through tracts and pamphlets

00:15:48.620 and things like that. And it's actually quite remarkable. Luther himself, here's a quote,

00:15:53.420 it says, a simple comparison between the vernacular editions of the Catholic publicists

00:15:57.360 and the output of one evangelical Martin Luther suggests a wildly unequal battle for the hearts

00:16:02.820 and minds of the literate laity in the first decades of the Reformation. Over the period of

00:16:07.860 1518 to 1544, Luther's publications numbered at least 2,551. For the same period, the Catholic

00:16:16.400 publicists produced 514 printings. And so one of the sheer realities behind the Reformation

00:16:23.920 is that the printing press allowed Luther and the people who are with him to jump onto a

00:16:30.340 technology and to get their message out in a massive way to populations that could not have

00:16:37.060 been reached before. It's been said that half of the pamphlets produced during the Reformation

00:16:43.480 were anonymous or had pseudonyms attached to them.

00:16:46.940 You think about that, half of the stuff put out

00:16:49.940 to push the ball of the Reformation into motion

00:16:54.040 were published anonymously.

00:16:55.960 Wow, I didn't know that.

00:16:57.060 You're telling me that for the first time.

00:17:00.180 I think that's pretty remarkable.

00:17:02.020 I think, you know, we sometimes think of the Reformation

00:17:03.880 as this battle of theological minds clashing in pure debate,

00:17:09.060 and certainly, you know, Luther's famous for his debates

00:17:12.540 But also, it was just anonymous people getting their voice out there.

00:17:17.660 Speaking of anonymous people, in the chat right now, I can't help myself. 0.97

00:17:21.000 I am a sucker, and they sucked me in. 0.98

00:17:23.660 I got guys saying, you guys need to call out the Jews more. 1.00

00:17:28.560 Guys, all right. 1.00

00:17:29.940 I did a nine-part series with Andrew Isker on the Jews.

00:17:34.200 I just went on Calvin Robinson talking about the Jews.

00:17:37.180 Ten-minute clip of me talking the entire time was picked up by Candace Owens

00:17:41.080 and played publicly just two days ago on the juice um so uh we are juicing on all cylinders

00:17:47.760 right now so you just you gotta you gotta let us talk about something else trust the plan 0.66

00:17:53.600 uh hang tight there are other things going on in the world it does matter israel is it's a problem

00:18:00.760 it is a problem uh but we are addressing it and by god's grace uh i think that we have a winning

00:18:06.400 strategy okay one thing on luther too he didn't really like erasmus and the pope and all those

00:18:11.440 they didn't really succeed too much in convincing them they didn't join right but man the peasants

00:18:15.640 loved it that they were picking up his stuff they were reading it the papal bull would come into

00:18:19.720 town and they would burn it because his message for all those pamphlets and all those things

00:18:23.640 other people writing them yep it reached the people that actually affect the change going

00:18:27.680 now elites and the people there's a there's a push and pull that both make an effect

00:18:31.340 but man during the reformation it was the people and the peasants that were sick

00:18:34.780 of the Roman Catholic Church

00:18:37.320 and their overbearingness 1.00

00:18:38.480 that pushed it forward.

00:18:40.460 And so Luther,

00:18:41.460 I think to today,

00:18:42.660 his appeal wasn't necessarily

00:18:43.960 just the elite,

00:18:45.140 just the ivory tower,

00:18:46.240 highbrow academic discussion,

00:18:47.480 which he did,

00:18:48.440 but he was also reaching out

00:18:49.440 to the commoner and the people

00:18:50.400 and saying,

00:18:51.100 do you feel this too?

00:18:52.040 Does this resonate?

00:18:53.220 In fact,

00:18:54.100 it's widely recognized

00:18:55.760 that the anonymous pamphlets

00:18:57.940 that were produced

00:18:58.720 were really the representation

00:19:00.520 of the voice of the common people.

00:19:02.860 That's been widely regarded.

00:19:04.780 the common people who were ready to ally themselves with Luther against the financial and spiritual tyranny of the Catholic Church.

00:19:11.340 And so what you're saying, Wes, is 100% right.

00:19:14.260 But on the other hand, historians have also recognized—and this is a quote here—it says,

00:19:19.380 A large portion, perhaps half of the Reformation pamphlets, omit any indication of author or printer, partly—why?—to avoid the risk of prosecution, partly perhaps to indicate a mighty but anonymous swell of popular support for reform.

00:19:34.780 And so even back then, there was a need for some of these to be anonymous.

00:19:40.260 Number one, to focus on the argument, not the personality.

00:19:43.600 But number two...

00:19:44.240 That's so good.

00:19:44.640 Say that again.

00:19:45.500 To focus on the argument and not the personality.

00:19:47.720 That's one point of being anonymous, is not just to dunk on people over 65, although that

00:19:54.140 is valuable.

00:19:55.320 It needs to be done respectfully, but there also is...

00:19:59.260 There needs to be a passing of the torch.

00:20:00.600 I'll say this real quick.

00:20:01.420 um people are living longer lifespans are actually you know very recent as of recently

00:20:07.360 they're starting to go down because the west has lost its mind in many regards but um but on the

00:20:11.760 whole lifespans have increased and a lot of work is not out in the field it's not you know manual

00:20:16.060 labor and so um boomers you know are currently in the process of building a base on the moon

00:20:21.940 and harvesting organs and making half of their body like a cyborg and living for you know 4 000 0.86

00:20:26.800 years and never give they would yeah exactly boomers would literally never pass the torch

00:20:31.540 ever if they could and they're doing everything they can i mean you got guys like you know pushing

00:20:35.640 90 and they're like i'll never let go you know like jimmy carter from the crypt you know trying

00:20:40.620 to hold on to power you know so um that's that's real uh unfortunately that is that is very very

00:20:45.880 real and um and so you know that you know anon accounts exist for um for pushing the overton

00:20:52.020 window and and for uh forcing even when a particular generation doesn't want to let the

00:20:58.060 next generation to you know to make that happen uh but beyond that uh anon accounts are incredibly

00:21:03.880 value valuable because um a lot of times the ad hominem attacks and all these people uh will

00:21:11.780 just gloss they'll completely ignore the idea on its own merits its own substance and just say well

00:21:18.080 so-and-so said it and and that works both ways right so like um if you have some kind of

00:21:23.240 institutional power or credibility or these kinds of things a lot of times um you can just uh just

00:21:29.120 constantly be posting l's and you know and your base will just eat it up yep you know so you can

00:21:35.220 just say something or right now because because we live in a sea of wokeness and even conservatives

00:21:41.280 i would argue are are still soft woke most of them um you know so what do you do you find um

00:21:47.800 you want to get something across uh well what you do is you replace a white man with um a person of

00:21:54.700 color and have them say the same thing or you replace a white man with a white woman and have

00:21:58.720 her say the same thing right so it's like we need to say something um as conservatives against this

00:22:03.840 uh onslaught of progressivism and blah blah blah and so we need a stalwart we need you know uh when

00:22:10.300 the enemy comes in like a flood you know the lord raises a standard bearer against him uh who you

00:22:14.680 gonna call alibeth stucky you know samuel say you know and it's like that's send it out that's 0.91

00:22:21.560 ridiculous that's absolutely ridiculous um you know if these people are saying true things great 0.63

00:22:28.180 kind of great alibeth um i i'd love for her to say powerful true things in her home to her children 0.97

00:22:35.440 um but but sam samuel say as a man if that's that's great but um but we don't need truth

00:22:43.140 should be able to stand on its own legs but there are cultural moments where um it's wrong and you

00:22:49.100 can and you can argue all day long about how anybody should have been able to say this you 0.99

00:22:53.300 shouldn't have had to get a woman to say this you shouldn't have had to get a black guy from ghana

00:22:56.900 and then canada and then you know to say this um and and you can you can make those arguments but

00:23:01.700 but the overton window is where it is like yes we're shifting it but at any given moment uh the

00:23:07.620 the, the nature of discourse is where it is. The culture is where it is. And, and you, you can't

00:23:13.120 just pull the Overton from 50 miles away, you know, lasso it like Wyatt Earp or something. And, and

00:23:18.760 you like, you need somebody right outside who's pulling, but then you need some people who are

00:23:23.820 inside pushing, uh, which means that you're making arguments to push the Overton, uh, from within

00:23:31.020 the Overton. And, and so my point is that, um, a lot of times that exactly what you're saying,

00:23:36.100 people say um well uh this this argument about um you know how we should take a stand against

00:23:42.860 anti-white discrimination uh i'm not going to listen because it's being made by a white guy

00:23:47.400 well um you can call samuel say you know but you could also have an anonymous account right that's

00:23:55.240 one way to push the discourse where it's not lost you don't give your enemies the foothold

00:24:00.160 uh to make it about the person but they actually have to deal with the argument yep there's a

00:24:05.260 reason you open any like logic textbook or you go through logical fallacies ad hominem is right

00:24:10.080 up top it's always the first one and to be fair if pete hedgeseth if he hosts a marriage conference

00:24:15.380 i'm not going people can lose credibility on the topic and you can say that's right i'm not

00:24:20.000 listening to you on that and so there are accounts and people certainly could say i'm just not going

00:24:24.420 to go there with you this isn't worth and valid valid enough for me to uh to counter the argument

00:24:28.700 but by and large if it's just someone that's nameless someone you have no connection with

00:24:32.940 right the argument has to stand on its own merits rise or fall on them yeah somebody just asked how

00:24:37.400 many anon accounts do you have joel i have i think you've covered this before i have anon accounts

00:24:43.380 that have so many followers that if i told you which account it was it would absolutely blow

00:24:49.220 your mind you'd be like oh snap that's him uh no the the reality is i um i got on twitter two years

00:24:57.500 ago for the first time and it took everything i had everything i had for two years constant

00:25:03.620 training constant learning just to be able to manage one account and it's not even entirely

00:25:08.520 my account nathan is also on the account helping me when i get locked um so no i just i i people

00:25:15.960 it's funny like people do the memes like joel commanding his anon army over here and it's like

00:25:20.000 i i don't think i could do that even if i tried i can send a signal message i did send a signal

00:25:25.640 message um i don't apologize for it uh because when you're getting dragged unjustly by large

00:25:33.020 accounts of people who are slandering you and you text some friends and say hey could you put this

00:25:41.600 into a cohesive thread and post it on my behalf i think that that's absolutely fair game yeah but

00:25:48.140 no i i don't have a non-accounts because uh technologically speaking i don't think i'm

00:25:53.520 capable. All right. Well, it's interesting because the Reformation, which we would say

00:25:59.140 it was a largely spiritual movement, it was a political movement as well, right? It was a

00:26:04.380 cultural, political, spiritual movement. So was the Revolutionary War, the War for Independence,

00:26:10.920 and the events leading up to that. And that was even more of a war of Anons, 0.99

00:26:14.940 was the Revolutionary War. I mean, the people who were writing, both the Federalists and the

00:26:19.280 anti-federalists uh they they had the pseudonyms and the anonymous postings going like crazy i mean

00:26:26.400 they like they it was reputable people who had anonymous accounts and it was some people that

00:26:32.640 still were not sure who they were who were posting at the time it was not really memes or um 144

00:26:40.700 character tweets but it was short pamphlets right and i i actually was was it's pretty funny finding

00:26:47.780 some of the material that they used for their anonymous names, their pseudonyms. So historical

00:26:54.240 figures were very popular. So these were actual people posting pamphlets anonymously or

00:27:00.420 pseudonymously in the Reformation. So they had Agricola, Agrippa, Argus, they had Caesar,

00:27:07.100 Caius, they had Cassius, Juvenus, Cenex. I mean, the list just goes on and on. On top of that,

00:27:13.280 They had just occupations, signed a bricklayer, signed a countryman, signed a farmer, a yeoman, that sort of thing.

00:27:21.640 English writers were very popular, John Pym and Junius and Old Wig.

00:27:29.200 But the one that cracked me up the most, and there was a long list of this.

00:27:33.740 Occasionally, authors used humorous pseudonyms when they were writing satire.

00:27:37.820 So these are real Revolutionary War founding father era accounts that were releasing pamphlets.

00:27:45.780 So we had Alexander McSarcasm.

00:27:48.040 Isn't that fantastic?

00:27:49.640 That's great. 1.00

00:27:50.380 We had Betsy Cornstalk.

00:27:52.820 We had Croker.

00:27:54.420 There was one, Federalissimo.

00:27:57.780 Federalissimo.

00:27:58.980 I mean, Jemima Loveleap.

00:28:01.400 Mr. Scribilarious. 0.99

00:28:04.780 Mustard Grinder.

00:28:05.780 The list goes on and on.

00:28:07.200 And as I researched some of this, I realized this idea of not only having an anonymous account to avoid being exposed, to avoid your livelihood being taken away from you, or in some cases during the Reformation, the Catholic Church would, you know, would imprison you and lock you up and kill you in some cases.

00:28:26.100 So there was that aspect, but there's a rich history of really funny or really serious historical, like you pick an anonymous pseudonym that you want to emulate, like Cenex or something like that.

00:28:38.740 You pick a funny name, like Alexander McSarcasm.

00:28:43.100 This sort of thing, I'm going to go out on a limb and say it.

00:28:46.780 Anonymous activity, political, and religious speech is part of the American spirit.

00:28:51.160 It's part of the European spirit as well.

00:28:52.760 But it's not just be very serious and stern and only write anonymously if you're writing this extremely well-thought-out, educated, erudite, philosophical pamphlet.

00:29:04.380 No, there were people who were just publishing fart memes, right?

00:29:08.220 And mocking.

00:29:08.760 And mocking.

00:29:09.280 Here's the thing. 0.98

00:29:09.800 Mocking, there is a biblical, theological case for mocking, and mockery is absolutely effective.

00:29:19.460 It can be done in a sinful manner.

00:29:21.260 And biblical. 0.71

00:29:22.380 Well, that's what I said.

00:29:23.120 There's a theological case for it.

00:29:24.540 So mocking is permissible in biblical terms.

00:29:27.820 That doesn't mean that it's always right.

00:29:30.400 You can do it wrongly.

00:29:31.580 You can do it rightly.

00:29:32.960 And that's in the moral sense, in the biblical sense.

00:29:35.440 But then there's the sense of is it effective or not?

00:29:39.960 And it is highly, highly effective.

00:29:42.840 We need Anon accounts to mock certain people off of Twitter.

00:29:48.740 there are certain people who are on x right now who um need to they need to be on blue skies

00:29:54.200 and by god's grace um a lot of them have left that's right still waiting on own strand um but

00:30:00.620 there are some others that um i think by god's grace if we can get just a few more in on accounts

00:30:06.040 um i think we can do it yep and the church would be blessed i'll say too it's broader than just x

00:30:11.240 we talk about x a lot because that's where a lot of people we interact with our instagram youtube

00:30:15.680 tiktok these are all platforms it's really powerful i think when you see i remember seeing

00:30:20.520 on instagram i'm not on it much but it was like delta air and their first all-woman staff flight

00:30:24.800 but you go to the commons and it's people just mocking it relentlessly and it's really powerful

00:30:30.340 culturally when an average user who could be an 18 year old girl or a 20 year old man they pick up

00:30:35.680 their phone they see something and what they see going through it is people pushing back and saying

00:30:39.820 this is nonsense this is ridiculous it has a really powerful effect because it then normalizes 0.81

00:30:45.200 yeah actually that doesn't make any sense why i would have a flight fully piloted by women who 0.89

00:30:50.560 cares what does that give me like all that's doing is checking a box and so sure x slash twitter 1.00

00:30:55.820 instagram youtube and and by not attaching your name you you avoid the risk of getting that phone

00:31:03.720 call hey hr would like to have a meeting with you that's so whether you're pushing the ball forward

00:31:08.120 you're choosing to partake in the cultural battle be it on twitter x youtube instagram tiktok those

00:31:12.560 are also great places that's true if you're on them you're using them to the glory of god

00:31:16.580 which is right can be hard sometimes yeah uh there's awesome x is the best fair to be done

00:31:21.020 but you're right all all of it matters but x is the best platform because um it's the uh one of

00:31:26.480 the largest and freest uh largest and freest and x is different youtube you you know like yes people

00:31:32.700 can respond in the comments and things like that but it's it's not really uh it's not a fair way

00:31:38.600 like he said this and now he's responding and doing that uh it's long form you know video and

00:31:43.440 those kinds of things whereas uh x is uh here's a point counterpoint here's a point counterpoint

00:31:49.120 it's the freest platform since elon uh bought it uh but it's still large like there are freer

00:31:54.700 platforms um but a lot of them are smaller uh significantly smaller and i'm not saying that

00:32:00.500 those platforms don't matter either um i i'm grateful for those platforms as well uh but x

00:32:06.660 I think is very strategic.

00:32:08.780 That's why two years ago, once Elon bought it,

00:32:11.060 I never wanted to be on Twitter

00:32:12.600 because it can be a time suck

00:32:14.300 and you have to guard your time

00:32:15.580 and all these different things.

00:32:16.360 We'll talk about that a little bit later in this episode.

00:32:18.920 But I just realized it was too valuable to pass up.

00:32:22.080 At that point, I had to cut some other things out of my life,

00:32:24.940 like my wife.

00:32:25.720 No, I'm just kidding.

00:32:26.980 No, I got my kids.

00:32:28.020 No, but I had to cut some other things out of my life,

00:32:31.160 some things that I could cut,

00:32:32.880 like hobbies, things like that,

00:32:34.060 and make time for X as a discipline.

00:32:36.660 because I believed that it was a ministry, that it was effective. I saw the potential of it. I

00:32:42.580 saw where it was heading. I saw that this is going to be the largest and freest platform that there

00:32:48.320 is. And I realized at the time, we had like where it would just automatically like repost if I said

00:32:55.000 something, like a description for a YouTube video would post as a tweet. And so we had two years

00:33:02.180 ago we had 400 followers on x and i was like man this is going to be work but by god's grace in two

00:33:08.940 years now it's about 27 000 followers and and continuing to build and i'm hoping that you know

00:33:14.560 by the end of next year to have close to 100 000 which by the way if you're watching on youtube

00:33:19.360 right now go over to right response ministries uh no it's right response m yep right response

00:33:26.180 at right response m on x if you have an x account and follow our account and our videos go live on

00:33:33.620 x just like they do on youtube yeah it's worth saying too like we talk about these battles

00:33:37.980 because there are thousands and thousands of people on the sideline they don't interact right

00:33:42.240 and they're not you know in the fray but they're watching and they're noticing and they're taking

00:33:46.560 notes and they're using that data to decide where to move to decide what to fund who to donate to

00:33:52.120 so we're not talking about squabbles that are just only affecting 10 20 50 individuals a very

00:33:57.500 small circle i've estimated when you look at posts like the view count i think there's a pool about

00:34:02.200 200 000 semi-religious dissident right individuals these people are representatives they're senators

00:34:08.740 they're podcasters i mean tucker carson found santiago pelago pelago yeah pelago on on x brought

00:34:15.980 him on to talk about the vibe shift the elites are there and they're watching yeah they're watching

00:34:19.760 And by being strategic, having great arguments, it has a powerful effect.

00:34:23.840 The thousands of people watching and those with influence.

00:34:26.500 Seriously, small accounts.

00:34:27.340 I think Santiago Peliego is smaller than my account.

00:34:30.240 Probably, yeah.

00:34:30.960 And he, exactly, he had a great post.

00:34:34.120 Tucker Carlson saw it, had his people give Santiago a call.

00:34:39.140 And Santiago got a 10-minute segment on Tucker Carlson to reach thousands and thousands.

00:34:45.980 I mean, it matters.

00:34:46.740 If not a million.

00:34:47.280 Like, I mean, you could argue.

00:34:48.740 so here's here's part of you know we uh we got to go to our first commercial break but this is what

00:34:54.120 this is what i want us to come back with i want us to come back and immediately start talking

00:34:57.860 because i don't want us to miss out on this conversation there are guys um pastors who

00:35:01.860 are disparaging right um saying like you're wasting your time like you can be crude you

00:35:05.980 can be objectively like hey that's not just uh biblical you know a biblical permissibility you

00:35:10.560 know a style of mocking but no like you really have crossed the line this is just um you're

00:35:15.120 telling someone to you know shut the blank up you know things like that like that's just that that's

00:35:19.620 sin you're sinning so there really is a line we're not saying hey it's all you know it's all free

00:35:23.580 game no there really are morals and there really is such a thing as sin um but we we don't just

00:35:28.580 have that we don't just have pastors saying you know make sure you don't sin and here are some

00:35:31.980 and here's sin as biblically defined and what's objectively you know immoral but we have pastors

00:35:37.040 disparaging guys with anon accounts because they're saying it's frivolous they're saying

00:35:41.420 that it's ineffective they're saying that it's a waste of time like i actually you know care about

00:35:45.760 it uh having a christian nation and you christian nationalists you know on x uh what have you done

00:35:50.600 you know i feel like i just see uh will pharaoh dressed up as mugatu on uh on zoolander you know

00:35:56.200 he's like i've invented the piano key necktie what have you done nothing nothing you know it's

00:36:03.020 like my first day on x and i'm saying i invented the piano key necktie you know and you've done

00:36:08.240 nothing for christian nationalism and and here's the thing um you can make a legitimate argument

00:36:13.400 that anon accounts on x um are responsible for trump being the next president of the united

00:36:19.760 states it's not nothing you're wrong i'm sorry i'm sorry but you you just maybe you're a boomer

00:36:27.220 maybe you're gen x but you don't get it yeah and that's fine stay in your lane right whatever that

00:36:31.580 lane is save babies from the slaughter preach exegetically from the scripture praise god do

00:36:36.720 those things we we honor you um but stay in your lane you don't get it and you're wrong that

00:36:41.620 springfield the cats and dogs where those immigrants are coming in that was broken by

00:36:45.660 an anonymous account yeah and it potentially changed because then he brought it up in the

00:36:49.560 debate among other things the course of the election and the course of the united states

00:36:54.540 that's right they're eating the cats they're eating the dogs the trump dance from an anonymous

00:36:58.780 dude with a uh who's the guy from waco texas uh the cult leader david koresh oh ds yes guy with

00:37:05.380 It's just a David Koresh profile picture named Captive Dreamer.

00:37:09.180 That's hilarious.

00:37:09.780 Just getting out there.

00:37:11.160 Classic.

00:37:11.860 All right, so we're going to go to our first commercial.

00:37:13.200 When we come back, we want to read a tweet that was posted today that is entirely unhelpful.

00:37:19.920 That's a perfect negative example of what we're talking about, what we'd like to see

00:37:24.680 more pastors and older Christian saints who we appreciate and honor, what we'd like to 1.00

00:37:30.440 see them avoid. 1.00

00:37:31.740 And so we'll get into that.

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00:40:10.400 All right, I have Will Ferrell on the mind.

00:40:12.660 Welcome back.

00:40:13.780 I've already used, what movie did I quote?

00:40:16.080 Zoolander.

00:40:16.680 Zoolander, okay, so here's another one for you.

00:40:18.300 i think i can help with this uh pam pan situation this anon anon situation so i'm very much aware

00:40:27.900 uh i i've noticed that i'm getting dragged as the kids would say in the uh in the comment section

00:40:32.980 um i i understand the concept it's a pretty basic concept anonymous anon i get that but i've heard

00:40:42.300 it both ways pam pam situation can you name that movie will ferrell i think it's uh who's the other

00:40:48.780 guy john riley john john c riley nathan named it nathan that's a bonus for nathan um when he's in

00:40:56.440 the interview and uh and then all of a sudden he pops out from behind him they're both in the same

00:41:01.260 interview and he's like i think i can help with this pam pan situation so anon anon in the technical

00:41:06.820 sense, Anon is of course right. It's of course right. But I have heard some of the best and the

00:41:13.240 brightest offline to my face say Anon. I'm not going to mention who they are because I don't

00:41:19.200 want to, just because I'm getting dragged by the Anons right now doesn't mean that I need to 1.00

00:41:25.080 publicly name who these other guys are so that they can drag too. That would be an effeminate 1.00

00:41:28.380 move. I'm not going to do it. I will own it myself. But I'm going to keep saying Anon,

00:41:32.840 at least for the remainder of this episode i feel like i've i've already dug i've said it a

00:41:37.020 thousand times in this episode alone um the hole is too deep i can't get out i i'm looking at you

00:41:43.140 from outside the hole like that's right there's no way he can't get out so i'm gonna keep saying

00:41:47.580 anon but for everybody who says no it's anon the word is anonymous perfectly fair point i understand

00:41:56.000 uh but i've just got to go to my grave at this point anon so all right all right uh we're gonna

00:42:00.720 to read a tweet. It'll be on your screen. I'll read it out loud from a pastor on X who's about

00:42:06.180 middle-aged, not older, probably about your age, Joel. And he had this to say about young men and

00:42:10.600 we'll talk about it. So here it is. I, this pastor says, note that those taking issue with a previous

00:42:18.500 post and the point he made in that post was that courageous men's lives will not be marked by only

00:42:23.100 fighting Christians, but will be marked by their courageous conflict with unbelievers.

00:42:26.460 who he said previously, courageous men will fight unbelievers, not just Christians,

00:42:30.840 are many people are hiding behind anonymous names with a history of mostly fighting other

00:42:36.380 Christians. So he's saying those who took issue with my post, they're people that have, for the

00:42:40.900 most part, anonymous names and they're fighting other Christians. This is cringe. I cringe even

00:42:47.180 to read this. Would y'all consider your type of anonymous internet courage fighting other

00:42:51.880 christians quote based or am i using the wrong word kings seems totally mid though doesn't it

00:42:57.860 no cap that was hard to type it was hard to say probably because i'm a grown man not talk how to

00:43:06.300 speak by teenagers on tiktok how do y'all do it here's the point this is what he's saying look at

00:43:11.920 your lives and the lives of your leaders you talk about a christian nation in theory only it's merely

00:43:16.980 a fantasy for you all. Proof? What's the proof of this? Because neither you or they spend any

00:43:23.140 meaningful time, or at all, reaching the law so they can be converted. You aren't courageous or

00:43:28.260 masculine, quote, kings. You are little boys playing with computers and phones, arguing with

00:43:33.380 believers, and podcasting in the safety of your four walls. Christians are soft targets. Neither 0.99

00:43:39.180 you your anonymous accounts or your leaders those you listen to are impressive well that was

00:43:47.200 impressive though i've so we may not be impressive but that was impressive that was um yeah i mean

00:43:53.740 that was seriously one of the worst tweets i've read in my life i mean that was insanely bad um 0.95

00:44:00.840 as the apostle paul would say i must be out of my mind to speak like this but humor a little fool's 0.62

00:44:06.220 talk um the amount of emails this year alone by the grace of god and god's grace alone that

00:44:12.080 that i've received of people who have come to faith for the first time converted to christianity

00:44:19.060 this year alone because of our podcast um is is in it it's it's a lot it is a lot of souls

00:44:28.860 being one to Christ. And anonymous accounts helping us by sharing our content, by pushing

00:44:38.180 the discourse, yeah, no, it does make a difference. Here's the deal. If you're tweeting 14 hours a day

00:44:45.480 to the neglect of the clear things that you're called to do by God in Scripture,

00:44:50.500 with your marriage, with your children, working outside of the home as a man in dignified ways

00:44:56.980 and trying to not only be a provider and a protector

00:45:00.360 presently for your family,

00:45:02.360 but lay up an inheritance for your children's children,

00:45:05.480 being a good churchman,

00:45:06.820 that means a member in a local church

00:45:08.740 and serving your church there.

00:45:09.880 If your Twitter life is coming at the expense

00:45:13.780 of those things, then touch grass, man, for sure.

00:45:17.760 100%.

00:45:18.240 For sure, then you're in sin and you need to repent.

00:45:21.040 But that's not what the tweet we just read says.

00:45:23.740 The tweet we just read, what it says is,

00:45:26.980 It claims, it asserts as a definitive, as though the person who wrote it has omniscience, that every Christian anon account that's pro-Christian nationalism, that they're not doing anything, that they're not evangelizing, that they're not doing the work of an evangelist, they're not sharing their faith, that they've won zero souls.

00:45:47.380 And not only that, but it also ropes into that, in its accusation, all their leaders.

00:45:52.260 and like and and and this is why you don't name here's a it's it's effeminate it's not just

00:45:59.180 effeminate it's wicked it is um and this is why um intentionally what will happen guys do this

00:46:05.040 again and again and again um they won't name the leaders because as soon as somebody else says are

00:46:12.180 you saying that about joel webbin are you saying that about stephen wolf are you saying that about

00:46:15.480 brian silvey are you saying that about eric con are you saying that about andrew isker then they

00:46:19.140 say oh no no i wasn't thinking about them i was thinking about raw egg nationalists right who's

00:46:23.520 not even a christian right like no no no no no you were you were thinking about us you said

00:46:28.800 christian nationalists stephen wolf literally wrote the book on christian nationalists and

00:46:34.560 anonymous accounts that are pro-christian nationalism and their leaders right i think

00:46:40.520 it's safe to assume that that would be christian nationalists with podcasts and platforms that are

00:46:46.340 putting out material that these anonymous accounts support, listen to, and share. You're talking

00:46:52.040 about CJ Engel. You're talking about Andrew Isker. You're talking about Stephen Wolf. You're talking

00:46:55.540 about Ogden. You're talking about me. That is who you're talking about. And here's the deal.

00:46:59.640 We are winning souls. We are winning souls. And discipling them.

00:47:04.040 And discipling them in the local church setting and online through podcasting and through pastoring

00:47:11.220 in both realms and there are many christians that i know of in my church alone that have

00:47:17.860 anonymous accounts that are spending clocking in real hours every single week with their wives

00:47:24.160 with their children and with other members in the church discipling them or with non-christians

00:47:30.380 who are colleagues in the workplace and those things and sharing their faith so just no no

00:47:37.240 you're wrong. Now, make a different argument. Say, some of the anonymous accounts that claim

00:47:42.980 to be Christian and support Christian nationalist leaders have gone too far. I understand that you

00:47:47.880 could use an anonymous account to push the discourse by being a little bit outside of

00:47:52.740 the Overton window, and that these things objectively don't go against biblical principles,

00:47:56.680 they just go against modern sensibilities, and I think you might be wrong, or maybe you might be

00:48:01.360 right, but that is permissible, and I acknowledge that. But in the objective sense, there are some

00:48:07.620 things that are simply not allowed in Scripture. Some things really are objectively sin. I noticed

00:48:13.160 that these anonymous accounts have said X, Y, and Z. They've used perverse, crude language,

00:48:20.400 sexual language. They've degraded women. Okay, now we're cooking. Let them cook, right? That's 0.91

00:48:29.160 being a pastor and bringing your pastoral sensibilities to uh the social space and i've

00:48:34.360 done that yep i have done that hey dude that one you got to delete it got to take it down i'm sorry

00:48:39.400 uh but that one it's uh that that one is not just i'm pushing back against the post-war consensus

00:48:44.700 no that one you're just sinning yeah you're just sinning um so so there's a place for that but but

00:48:50.160 what west just read that tweet isn't is not that that tweet is um all anonymous christian uh

00:48:57.460 nationalist accounts are uh losers who have never done anything for the kingdom of god whatsoever

00:49:02.400 and all the christian nationalist leaders that you're following aka joel steven wolf all of them 0.94

00:49:09.480 they also haven't won a single soul to christ and they don't do the work of evangelists brother that

00:49:14.180 is a bold claim that's a bold claim especially on your first day so maybe maybe not having the

00:49:24.480 next account was a good idea yeah it the i don't have examples of it pulled up but one of the other 0.90

00:49:29.180 one that that gets levied from our camp is they're in their mom's basement and they're losers right

00:49:33.440 so many of them and not every single one of them is literally married but my goodness of guys that

00:49:38.500 i think of that are anonymous but i know in some capacity they are hard-working family men often

00:49:44.480 with multiples of children like the amount that truly are uh literally like truly in their parents

00:49:50.660 basement because they don't work a job that can get them out of there it has to be in the single

00:49:54.520 digit percentage one of the big account accounts on twitter write some really good stuff cryptos

00:49:59.320 dude has like six kids and just about as many grandkids and people assail him or whatever like

00:50:03.660 you won't attach your name to this he is so accomplished and so well read and so successful

00:50:08.760 privately and outside of this life that if you're going to try to use this banner well those that

00:50:13.180 wouldn't attach their name to it they won't do that because they haven't accomplished anything

00:50:16.680 and everything that they said would be discredited no they've accomplished so much so many of them

00:50:21.900 and so that that falls into the realm slander when you're saying these people have accomplished

00:50:26.600 nothing they're losers no actually that most of them are very successful good godly men that you

00:50:32.360 just poisoned slandered and lied about amen dude if guys knew who smash bales was like i've had the

00:50:40.400 privilege of getting to spend some time with him in person and i would consider him a friend but uh 0.57

00:50:46.060 they just assume like you're an anonymous account so you must be 350 pounds in your mom's basement

00:50:52.700 and you've done nothing you know in life or for the cause of christ right um i one day i mean

00:50:59.260 obviously today's not that day and it's not my right or my position to do this but one day i

00:51:03.660 hope that he is secure enough to where he can just come out and be like here i am come at me and

00:51:09.540 nobody can do you know a darn thing about it but uh some of these uh large christian nationalists 0.96

00:51:15.460 uh anon accounts are um not only are they not uh overweight out of shape losers but they are some

00:51:23.860 of the most accomplished um yeah it's it's impressive every time they dock someone this

00:51:29.980 happened to a lomez they like docks this writer named lomez he's written for first things just

00:51:34.580 an attractive handsome well-accomplished dude like every time they dock someone on the right

00:51:39.240 like oh it turns out they're well-adjusted family good-looking healthy right we got him again

00:51:45.160 Because right-wing views tend to align, not always, but it does tend to align with people who have discipline, are hardworking, are healthy, are pro-family, pro-marriage, all those kinds of things.

00:52:02.800 It's the leftist that look like orcs with purple hair, right?

00:52:09.560 I mean, and it only makes sense.

00:52:12.160 that leftist progressive worldview, it pairs perfectly with an orc, you know, but the right

00:52:22.340 wing worldview, especially whether you want to call it, you know, the new dissident right or

00:52:28.300 Christian nationalism or in an old sense, because it's really old ideas, because it's really not

00:52:33.600 new, it's just being, you know, dusted off and rediscovered, but paleoconservative would be

00:52:37.820 another good term for it uh these are old old views that appeal to um to men who are disciplined

00:52:46.580 accomplished in shape with high testosterone yeah yeah that's we're gonna do a full episode

00:52:53.740 sometimes politics is biology there's so much great research so x is one way to push the overton

00:53:00.660 and to change the discourse and to disciple and shape people and all these absolutely um another

00:53:05.240 way is literally just to uh to get people to work out right to uh to stop eating seed oils yep um

00:53:11.760 you can like seriously studies have studies have been done about this um at a certain point your

00:53:17.540 testosterone hits a certain point and all of a sudden you it's like i don't even know what

00:53:22.020 happened but i i just came out of the voting booth and for the first time in my life i voted

00:53:25.020 republican right down ballot yeah like if if you have high estrogen you vote democrat oh overweight

00:53:32.160 women vote democrat at higher levels than women that are in shape just at this raw statistical

00:53:36.100 level yep yep all righty that's great that's good content i love it i have a question um you guys

00:53:43.300 help me out here because this is a legitimate question that i have what i'm not asking us to

00:53:48.340 speculate but like what let's steal man why are some of the establishment um even christian

00:53:55.680 voices opposed do you think to this whole anon army idea like like it's in our history um there

00:54:07.580 are good reasons for it um is it the abuses that that that we see sometimes because certainly of

00:54:13.980 course there's a sense where if i'm behind a curtain i can go too far yeah um is it the abuses

00:54:20.140 Is it fear of abuses that aren't realized yet?

00:54:24.380 Or is it just, Steve Day said something a little while ago.

00:54:27.800 He said that the older generation doesn't understand the language of memes.

00:54:32.360 A meme is not about what the historical context of an image.

00:54:37.100 A meme is about the immediate message that it communicates in that moment.

00:54:42.740 And nothing else about the meme matters.

00:54:44.600 And his point was there's a different language that's being developed online that people who didn't grow up online or don't spend a lot of time online don't really speak very well.

00:54:55.600 So is that a sense here?

00:54:57.660 Is this a generational thing?

00:54:58.900 Is this a tech language?

00:55:01.760 What is the disconnect here?

00:55:04.880 Part of it is I think some of the establishment is upset about it. 0.96

00:55:07.720 Like the simplest explanation is that because the anons are currently attacking them. 0.98

00:55:14.300 I mean, it's pretty simple in that regard. 0.98

00:55:17.000 So I think we'd be naive if we didn't acknowledge that that is at least one factor.

00:55:22.000 I'm not saying that's all of it.

00:55:23.000 I think they may actually have some principles that the older, more established Christian leaders who don't like the Anon accounts, I think some of their distaste towards the Anon accounts comes from principle.

00:55:35.460 but we have to acknowledge that if it's not the exclusive soul factor it is at least one of the

00:55:41.320 factors uh that they also don't like the anon accounts because the anon accounts are dragging

00:55:45.600 them and making them look silly yeah so that that's part of it is the anon accounts currently

00:55:50.380 are against them that is absolutely part of it beyond that i would say that um because of

00:55:57.580 just technological innovation and all these kinds of things um it is easier than ever before

00:56:04.840 ever before to say something publicly we've never been able to because you know freeze even in

00:56:11.120 places that had free speech um they they just practically speaking there was only a few people

00:56:17.680 in in the entire world who would be able to freely speak to thousands of people yeah right because

00:56:24.180 the ability whether it was you know caesar and rome and an amphitheater being like just the you

00:56:28.800 know like a pauper couldn't do that right and so it wasn't until the gutenberg printing press

00:56:33.940 you know that you could actually uh somebody could but even then it like it costs money

00:56:38.980 you know and so it has to be yeah it had to be approved by different people so this is really

00:56:43.620 one of the first times in human history um that so so yes there's a rich heritage of anonymous

00:56:50.420 accounts and and a real purpose for that um but this is one of the first times i guess what i'm

00:56:55.400 trying to say is this is one of the first times in history that you can have um an anonymous 0.85

00:57:01.280 account an anonymous person or somebody writing under a pseudonym um who sucks and unvetted 0.56

00:57:08.720 like unvetted but not just unvetted like they're not good yeah yeah like there are like i have to

00:57:13.900 be honest like there are plenty of anon accounts and i'm not saying they're not good because

00:57:17.900 they've gone too far there are guys who do that that's a separate category going too far they

00:57:21.260 actually have broken some kind of moral boundary they've actually uh in entered into an objective

00:57:26.340 level of sin there's that that's not what i'm talking about right now what i'm talking about

00:57:29.640 is take morals aside i'm saying there are actually plenty of anon accounts today that are just not

00:57:37.060 good right like yeah like your hot take is it's not it's not insightful you're not wise you're

00:57:43.680 not very intelligent you're not very effective it's just you don't get it you just don't get it

00:57:48.200 yeah exactly like it's it's not good so so my point is you know if i'm trying to steal man

00:57:54.100 right and and be fair to uh some of the the older established christian leaders um especially the

00:58:02.060 guys in our camp who i love who i think are wrong on some things but i love and respect and

00:58:07.360 appreciate those guys i think uh if they were arguing from principle i think they probably

00:58:12.400 wouldn't say this but what i'll say on their behalf because they may not say it themselves

00:58:16.380 is one of the reasons they don't like the anonymous accounts is because the anonymous

00:58:19.160 accounts are currently against them and making them look silly right so i'll add that reason

00:58:23.260 I think, you know, to give some reasons that they might say themselves, they would say, yeah, but also, you know, when John Adams or Jefferson or somebody, you know, one of the founders is writing under a pseudonym, they were good.

00:58:38.480 Right, right, yep.

00:58:40.200 You know, and when, you know.

00:58:42.800 Highly studied, intelligent.

00:58:43.440 Good enough, but we still read them now.

00:58:45.280 Exactly, they were well-read, intelligent, you know, but now, like, anybody can have an anon account.

00:58:52.680 and they're not all good.

00:58:54.340 Joel, can you acknowledge that?

00:58:55.520 And I would say, yep, you're right.

00:58:56.880 That's fair.

00:58:57.840 That would be one reason I would offer

00:58:59.220 to answer your question.

00:59:00.340 Do you have,

00:59:01.080 can you repeat the question real quick

00:59:02.480 for the audience?

00:59:03.000 Just what's the,

00:59:05.300 why does establishment disparage the anons?

00:59:09.440 I think it's tough when you're, say,

00:59:10.700 very successful in one area.

00:59:12.000 So take the example of Charles Haywood

00:59:13.500 built a multi-million dollar business,

00:59:16.080 sold it, and he's dedicated

00:59:17.120 the rest of his life.

00:59:18.080 Shampoo warlord.

00:59:19.500 He's a king.

00:59:20.220 He's awesome.

00:59:20.680 I'm about to be a Tesla warlord.

00:59:22.680 People don't even know.

00:59:23.620 If you know, you know.

00:59:24.900 I'll get into it later.

00:59:25.940 Go ahead.

00:59:26.780 So he built a multimillion-dollar business, and then he's dedicated his life now to reading,

00:59:30.560 right-wing, and left-wing works, and being a political commentator.

00:59:32.780 So say you're really successful, and he worked hard.

00:59:35.220 I mean, like, his family was struggling.

00:59:36.940 He did a lot.

00:59:38.200 So if you left that arena, you were successful.

00:59:40.120 Maybe that's pastoring or ministry or something else.

00:59:42.620 And then he took it, and he went online.

00:59:43.960 He thought, I have some good ideas.

00:59:45.320 I have some thoughts.

00:59:46.200 I've done the reading.

00:59:47.380 And you went on there, and then immediately, people that hadn't accomplished a tenth of

00:59:51.340 you accomplished. We're picking your arguments apart and people were siding with them. If you

00:59:55.740 had any level of pride, it would be very easy to say, bucko, listen here. You don't know what I've

01:00:01.460 built. You don't know what I've done. You don't know what I've read. Yeah, that's kind of snarky

01:00:05.540 and yeah, I may have had a gap there, but you don't get the bigger picture and I know better

01:00:09.040 than you. So it's going from one arena where you're successful. Maybe you've built a school

01:00:13.120 or a church or a business or a ministry. You've built that all up and then you want that respect

01:00:17.480 to carry over all right now i'm saying this and i want you to view it the same way and take it with

01:00:21.560 the same rigor and it's not that good and people tell you to your face immediately when you don't

01:00:27.100 even know who it is that wasn't that great it wasn't well that thought out it takes a lot of

01:00:31.580 humility to say yeah actually i was wrong yeah i need to tighten that up um which it's tough pride

01:00:37.680 is a sin i think probably probably of all of them many sins are a function of pride and so you have

01:00:43.500 to have a certain level of humility to have your ideas tested in the public square where anyone 0.93

01:00:48.740 and everyone can say that that was stupid and a lot of people can agree with them and you can feel 0.96

01:00:54.080 foolish yeah that was very well said yeah pride is absolutely one of the factors and um yeah i 0.99

01:01:01.420 i think you know there are well so uh you know can there be a particular sins that might um 0.91

01:01:12.360 might be um can can different peoples nations peoples races uh be known for uh one particular

01:01:24.520 sin and then or three particular sins and then another nation or people group known for another

01:01:30.020 sin i would argue yes yes um and not that they're marked by it for all of time i'm post-millennial

01:01:36.280 i think all the nations eventually are going to flock to mount zion um so it doesn't mean they

01:01:40.500 can't be redeemed it doesn't mean people can't change over time but at any given point of time

01:01:44.160 in a present moment in history uh can americans be uh marked and and that doesn't mean each and

01:01:49.580 every individual american but in a general sense can america be known for uh one particular sin

01:01:54.860 like gluttony you know uh whereas you know another nation like ethiopia is probably not known for

01:02:01.420 gluttony right you know um yeah that's that's a thing um congenerations right so here's what i'm

01:02:07.740 getting to um can generations particular generations be known in a general sense that

01:02:12.420 doesn't mean there aren't exceptions to the rule not each and every individual person not universally

01:02:16.240 but generally can generations be known for particular sense yes um and i just i think we

01:02:22.580 need to be honest yes we need to be respectful as a younger generation we need to honor at the same

01:02:28.600 time we also need to be honest um boomers do not apologize in a general sense they do not

01:02:37.620 apologize or admit when they're wrong that generation is known for that particular sin

01:02:43.120 um every generation has pride so i'm not saying that that boomers are uniquely prideful i'm not

01:02:49.100 saying that they're more prideful than gen x or millennial or zoomers i'm not that's not my

01:02:53.340 argument but pride has um different expressions pride can uh it can reveal itself through different

01:03:00.160 avenues and the particular expression of pride that i'm speaking of not being willing to admit

01:03:07.040 when you're wrong. I think that that does embody the boomer generation to a higher degree in

01:03:12.620 general, not every single one of them, but in general more than Gen X or millennials. Like I

01:03:18.740 have always, and all glory be to God, must be out of my mind to talk like this, you know, humor a

01:03:25.380 little fool's talk, but by the grace of God and his grace alone, nothing in and of myself, innate

01:03:30.620 to me, but by God's grace, I've just always been much more comfortable admitting when I got 0.96

01:03:36.080 something wrong. So I was pastoring in California in 2020 when COVID hit and all that, and we skipped

01:03:41.320 four weeks of church. And when we started meeting, we couldn't meet inside because we didn't have a

01:03:46.340 building. We were kicked out of the school that we were renting from. And so we met the only place

01:03:50.040 we could, which was outside. We would have met inside if we could have, but we were outside and

01:03:53.980 about half of the members, a third of them didn't come back at that time, at least not for a couple

01:03:58.740 weeks. And then they started to trickle back. But the two thirds that did come, that first Sunday

01:04:03.240 when we started gathering again

01:04:04.280 after four weeks of missing,

01:04:05.920 about half of them wouldn't have come back

01:04:08.200 if we didn't agree to wear masks outside.

01:04:14.000 So I'm standing on a platform

01:04:15.320 preaching outside wearing a mask. 1.00

01:04:19.900 Is that stupid? 1.00

01:04:22.200 Yes. 1.00

01:04:23.760 And that picture every now and then,

01:04:25.220 it makes the rounds on the internet.

01:04:27.460 People be like,

01:04:27.980 oh, is this your based courageous guy

01:04:30.740 that you're talking about?

01:04:31.400 And it's a picture of me outside

01:04:32.720 outside wearing a mask. And I'll be the first to admit, yeah, that was stupid. Now, pastorally, 1.00

01:04:40.120 I would have missed out on half the church coming back if I didn't do it. I was not the guy saying,

01:04:45.260 let's wear a mask. But there were other leaders that were saying, let's wear a mask at the time.

01:04:48.920 And more importantly, about half of the members were saying, let's wear a mask at the time. In

01:04:52.740 fact, a third of the members that didn't show up, they were angry at me because I said, this is a

01:04:57.120 historic Sunday. We're excited. It'll be our first Sunday to come back together and historic, because

01:05:02.120 at the time outdoor services even a drive-in service where you went through the radio you did

01:05:08.940 like the little microphone the device that goes yeah exactly like a like a drive-in movie where

01:05:13.880 you turn to a certain station on the radio um and and it comes in your car like um that was illegal

01:05:19.600 by gavin nusolemi uh the governor of california that was illegal at the time that we were uh

01:05:25.400 going beyond that i know it all sounds silly now but at the time to do a drive-in where the family

01:05:30.920 was staying in their car with the windows up that would have been illegal for for uh in in the state

01:05:37.380 of california because we were we started meeting in april at the end of april 2020 uh but we went

01:05:42.900 even beyond that that would have already been breaking the law we broke the law even further

01:05:46.240 uh by doing out of the cars and outdoor service um but still uh you know there's this picture but

01:05:52.780 here's the deal um i have all the caveats that i just gave you know certain uh certain members

01:05:57.820 wouldn't have come back if i wasn't wearing the mask and this was going on and this was going

01:06:00.800 and we were still hosting a legal service

01:06:02.380 and we beat John MacArthur by 10 weeks.

01:06:06.140 You know, everybody gives, you know,

01:06:07.140 he's the hero of COVID.

01:06:08.140 We were meeting 10 weeks before he started.

01:06:09.700 Like I can give all those disclaimers,

01:06:11.840 but here's the deal. 1.00

01:06:14.420 I'm wearing a mask outside and it's still gay. 0.88

01:06:17.160 That's right. 1.00

01:06:17.820 So what did I do?

01:06:19.800 And I didn't just do this four years later in hindsight.

01:06:22.920 That very first sermon,

01:06:24.840 the first 15 minutes of it was me apologizing

01:06:27.200 for missing four weeks and repenting

01:06:28.980 because I was wrong.

01:06:29.940 and every time that picture surfaces not every time because there's so many trolls i just i

01:06:34.660 can't respond to all of them because i got a wife and kids and a life to live but you know

01:06:38.300 occasionally when that picture surfaces some major account and it's getting a lot of attention

01:06:41.900 this is how i deal with it i don't just give all the disclaimers that i just gave

01:06:46.020 i also make sure to say oh and also i was wrong

01:06:52.020 boomers don't they don't get it yeah i was wrong said never by the vast majority of boomers you

01:07:06.720 know how easy it is people people seriously this happens all the time this is just part of life

01:07:11.100 because we're all human we're all fallible but people will they'll get you in in a stranglehold

01:07:15.760 do you know how to break out of that hold so easily it'll blow your mind

01:07:20.960 just say i was wrong yep about 10 000 word apologies that are so long my thumb is they

01:07:27.120 don't have any actual apology in them no it's actually just a 10 000 word double down

01:07:31.660 and it's an explanation but never an apology yeah you don't actually have to do that the elites don't

01:07:37.440 want you to know this but you can just say i was wrong yep and move on and i've had to do that

01:07:42.620 again and again. So even with the Tobias thing, I'm not going to get into all that. I'm going to

01:07:46.940 just say one little point. I felt like I messed up at least in one way. Other things I think are

01:07:51.820 arguable. You can make an argument that this was wrong. I can make an argument that it wasn't.

01:07:57.000 There's people on my side, people on your side. But there was one thing, one thing. And even this,

01:08:01.280 people are like, Joel, you shouldn't even apologize for this because there's an argument

01:08:04.220 that can be made. I'm aware, but I know my heart. Other people don't. I do. And when I said I was

01:08:10.800 doing the meme as as the kids say that the troy movie with brad pitt where he says um and that's

01:08:15.100 when uh why nobody will remember your name when i said that i was doing the meme i was being funny

01:08:20.700 i was also being prideful i know my heart and i know that in my heart at that moment there was at

01:08:26.920 least some degree of pride so you know what i did when all this is blowing up um as others clarified

01:08:33.540 I apologized. Some clarify, and others repent. And I said, okay, is there anything that I can

01:08:42.380 repent for? That one. I know my heart. That statement actually could have been made without

01:08:48.640 it being prideful. And everybody said, oh my gosh, Joel's just, you know, look, just another

01:08:56.420 example of how he only cares for earthly power and earthly glory. Guys, one of the greatest

01:09:01.620 judgments in the Old Testament that God deals out to people is not just that their name would

01:09:07.100 not be written in the Lamb's Book of Life. That matters most. Eternity, is your name remembered

01:09:12.220 in heaven? Is it remembered by God? Is your name written in the Lamb's Book of Life? Sure,

01:09:16.460 that's ultimate. But to pretend that ultimate things matter and then everything else doesn't

01:09:20.880 matter at all goes against Scripture. Paul says physical training is still of some value, right?

01:09:26.260 Spiritual training, ultimate value. Physical training, still some value. Well, likewise,

01:09:30.840 your name written in the eternal sense, remembered by God, written in the Lamb's book of life,

01:09:34.760 ultimate value. But your name being remembered on earth also has some value, not ultimate value,

01:09:41.920 but some value, and I would argue biblically, great value. Because stated in the negative,

01:09:47.500 on the flip side of the coin, one of the greatest and strictest, harshest judgments that God dealt

01:09:52.220 out is he said that with certain individual men who had sinned against God in high-handed ways,

01:09:58.520 God said, I will blot out his name, not just from the Lamb's book of life, but I will blot it out

01:10:04.220 from earth, meaning I will cut off his offspring. He will be forgotten. To be forgotten is actually

01:10:13.180 a terrible thing. It is a terrible thing. And to desire, now desires can be sinful,

01:10:21.500 sinfully incentivized, or they can be righteously incentivized. And that's for God to know and for

01:10:27.480 the individual to also do the important scrutiny and heart work to examine themselves and to say,

01:10:33.000 as David did, search me, O Lord, see if there's any fault in me and wherever there is fault to

01:10:36.400 repent. But that said, it is not inherently, automatically, sinfully motivated to desire

01:10:44.860 legacy and glory and to be remembered, not just in heaven, but on earth, because we know that

01:10:51.480 it's a strict judgment to be forgotten. So there you go. There's the disclaimer. I could explain

01:10:55.620 that, explanations, till the cows come home. However, I could also just say, yeah, all those

01:11:04.700 things are true. But also, I think in that moment, I was riled up. I was frustrated because of the

01:11:12.280 situation, things that were going on. And in that moment, as I said those words, your name will be

01:11:18.340 forgotten. I can make a biblical argument. I can make a practical argument because your last name

01:11:23.280 It's very difficult to pronounce, but also there's a moral point to be made.

01:11:30.120 Speaking for myself, I did have arrogance in my heart.

01:11:35.900 Part of it, at least part of it, stemmed from pride in Joel's heart.

01:11:41.300 So then publicly on Twitter, I just said that.

01:11:44.820 I said, this sounded arrogant.

01:11:46.940 And then I went further.

01:11:47.680 I said, and you know why it sounded arrogant?

01:11:50.020 It sounded arrogant because it was arrogant.

01:11:52.180 and i said praise god that uh that uh his love doesn't just cover mistakes but it covers a

01:11:59.040 multitude of sins and i'm sorry yeah i said something that boomers can't like again in

01:12:04.560 general not all of them not each and every individual but in general they can't say that

01:12:08.460 and so i do think the generations can be marked by particular sins and one of the particular sins

01:12:12.880 for boomers is pride not necessarily more pride than other generations but pride with a particular

01:12:18.500 expression the particular expression being a a extreme hesitancy and reluctance to admit when

01:12:25.000 they get something wrong that that was my point there's a good comment from mb east and then

01:12:29.040 maybe we'll go to our second commercial break but they said they had a friend and um just maybe we'll

01:12:33.740 have it right up here i had a friend that said it rocked my faith that my dad never apologized

01:12:39.260 he always excused himself and then blamed they or then blamed me people's faith is impacted when

01:12:45.560 they have a dad or a parent figure that it's always it wasn't my fault you don't understand

01:12:49.500 apologizing repenting is a powerful thing that when it takes the argument away from your opponent

01:12:55.000 and is also encouraging to other people like they repented i've got the sin i know and it's as simple

01:13:00.720 as that to confess and repent to the lord second commercial break yeah all that though back all we

01:13:06.520 got on this to sum it up because michael's question which i thought was a good one what

01:13:10.480 why are some of the reasons that the older establishment christian types don't like the

01:13:14.460 anons. One, because the anons make them look silly. That's a practical argument. I think 0.99

01:13:19.400 that's at least partially true. Two, in their defense of the establishment, because anybody

01:13:25.720 can be an anon, and some of them actually aren't very good. But then three, because most of the

01:13:32.060 establishment guys who are in positions of institutional power, where they actually have

01:13:36.100 levers, where they could at least attempt, whether it's successful or not, attempt to gatekeep,

01:13:41.340 that the would-be gatekeepers tend to be the older generation that's lived long enough and

01:13:46.800 achieved enough to get into those seats of power. And the older generation would be the boomer

01:13:51.680 generation. And the boomer generation, I believe, is particularly marked by not more pride than

01:13:57.600 other generations, but pride in a specific avenue expression, namely not willing to admit that 0.82

01:14:05.360 they're wrong and the idea that um that it's one thing to uh to get um thoughtful feedback

01:14:13.500 uh in a peer-reviewed study you know what i mean right but it's another when your magnum opus your

01:14:21.120 life's work is picked apart by a 17 year old right uh with a picture of william wallace or

01:14:27.620 yeah exactly and um and and that's hard for anybody that's hard for any generation yeah yeah

01:14:34.420 but uh that is particularly hard for boomers because it is so foreign to them so foreign

01:14:40.160 right um and boomers i believe um out of the generations not that have ever lived of all

01:14:45.540 human history but out of the generations currently alive right now when i think of just the four

01:14:49.460 main ones boomers x millennials and z um i think i can say not each and every individual but in

01:14:56.480 general sense boomers are far and above less likely to say i was wrong than those other three

01:15:04.080 younger generations. And so Anon's pointing out that they're wrong with a particular generation

01:15:10.040 that never admits when they're wrong. That's tough. That probably hurts. All right, here's

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01:18:56.760 All right, guys, I understand I look like the lead singer of an emo band. Here's the deal.

01:19:02.420 We recorded that commercial this afternoon or this morning right before today. We needed to

01:19:07.360 get it out. I didn't have my hair did at the moment. Plus, I was going to put on a hat. And

01:19:13.040 the last thing I'll say is this. Look, I just spent in this episode 20 minutes talking about

01:19:17.400 how we should just own it. Yeah, I looked stupid in that commercial. But here's the beauty. I can 0.99

01:19:24.120 defend myself with this. Not by saying, oh, but really, I looked awesome. And it's just your

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01:19:54.040 christian label on it that's not what they did this is like i've never i honestly i'm not a huge

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01:20:17.220 out okay back to you michael so what we want to do uh before we handle some questions is spend a few

01:20:23.160 minutes and not presume but offer um some guidance or some help or some thoughts towards the uh anons

01:20:31.860 out there uh so for what for what it's worth here are some thoughts from from us and one of the

01:20:37.180 things that we wanted to make sure we said was there is a difference between an unforced error

01:20:42.320 and an unavoidable error not even an unavoidable error but an unavoidable trap right so the

01:20:48.360 difference would be um you are running for public office and a reporter says you know do you affirm

01:20:55.560 the biblical traditional view of marriage here are your tweets where you and yeah here are your

01:20:59.860 tweets you said this um you you said you affirm the biblical view of marriage do you still stand

01:21:05.380 by that yep you said sodomite in which case your response say i sure did after careful consideration

01:21:10.740 i've decided to become worse so that's the sort of behavior online where you're standing um boldly

01:21:16.340 for truth. You're not being, you're not hiding your message. You're not hiding in a, in a way

01:21:23.940 where your words are, could be interpreted as unclear. You're being direct. You're being bold.

01:21:28.240 You're being forthright. You're putting an edge on it. You're putting an edge on it. Yep. Yep.

01:21:32.920 And that's, and that is the sort of thing where culture or, um, wicked media or wicked,

01:21:38.340 whatever the society that we live in, we'll see your online words, your interviews, that sort of

01:21:43.220 thing. And we'll say, well, because of that, in our eyes, at least you are canceled. Right. And

01:21:47.740 maybe, maybe a governor who's a rhino or something like that was thinking about putting you in some 0.89

01:21:53.400 sort of advisory position, sees that you have been bold in that way and says, well, I'm not going to

01:21:59.580 have you be part of my administration. And so in a sense, you, you lose that battle, but you do it

01:22:05.480 because of clarity and boldness

01:22:09.400 and even sharp words that needed to be said

01:22:13.620 on an important topic, right?

01:22:15.140 Biblical value.

01:22:15.820 Like Dusty Devers, praise God.

01:22:16.840 So he's been faithful and he's been bold

01:22:18.820 and he's been outspoken.

01:22:20.620 And right now, providentially, in this present moment,

01:22:24.560 he could do all those things.

01:22:26.900 And in a unique providential lay of the land,

01:22:29.740 somebody being unseated,

01:22:31.580 he could win state senator in Oklahoma.

01:22:35.060 he could not win president

01:22:36.780 not today

01:22:38.360 could he eventually

01:22:39.640 possibly by God's grace

01:22:42.180 amen and so things are going to continue

01:22:45.120 to change we're going to keep pushing

01:22:46.320 but the point is

01:22:47.900 that there are those kinds of things

01:22:50.660 where it's

01:22:51.660 you didn't mess up

01:22:53.620 it's not shooting yourself in the foot

01:22:55.440 you didn't mess up you were being faithful

01:22:57.300 but you're in some

01:23:00.480 context throughout history

01:23:02.780 you know like it's Babylon

01:23:04.360 on or whatever and it's like um like daniel if it wasn't for a providential you know miraculous

01:23:10.720 intervention literally god saving him from being devoured by lions right then he would have lost

01:23:16.820 his political seat by virtue of being eaten alive right right because but but and and nobody could

01:23:23.560 have said oh that's an unforced error you shot yourself in the foot no no daniel was doing what

01:23:27.780 he was commanded by god to do praying and and now some looking into that text some would say

01:23:33.200 yeah but it was an unforced error in the sense that he was praying with the windows open you

01:23:37.880 know and they would look at matthew 6 when you pray pray in secret for your father right here's

01:23:41.560 the deal that was unique to old covenant israel so there's actually part of uh the covenant when

01:23:47.960 the uh when the um solomon when solomon built the temple he literally gives in his um uh invocation

01:23:56.540 of of christening his christening of the temple he prays as king of israel representative israel

01:24:02.000 and covenants this is a covenantal prayer with the lord and he says whenever anyone even if they are

01:24:08.000 far off or in captivity praise and faces this temple you will hear from them and so what daniel

01:24:17.020 had been doing that this is my exegesis of the text i daniel didn't ramp it up it's not like 0.64

01:24:22.220 here's a decree from the king and now i'm going to intentionally become worse and shoot myself in

01:24:27.220 the foot no he just kept doing what he was always doing so he didn't he didn't uh throw extra

01:24:31.500 punches, and he didn't pull punches either. He always prayed, and because of a particular

01:24:37.140 covenant established through Solomon at that time related to the temple, especially what Solomon

01:24:43.100 said in covenant with the Lord is, if Israel ever found itself one day in captivity, held far off,

01:24:48.540 that if anyone would turn and face the temple, facing Jerusalem, Israel, and pray and cry out to

01:24:54.560 them. So I think Daniel, the entire time, since he was a young boy, the entire time that they had

01:24:59.840 been in exile in Babylon. He had been praying three times a day and facing. He wasn't just

01:25:04.300 facing the windows, just sticking it to the man. He was facing a particular set of windows in his

01:25:09.880 apartment that were faced a particular direction that happened to be towards Jerusalem where the

01:25:14.760 temple was in keeping with a covenant established by Solomon, praying for the deliverance of

01:25:19.360 captivity of Israel. That's why Daniel was doing that. And we know that was the case because his

01:25:23.480 adversaries knew exactly where to stand to see what he was doing. Exactly. All this was known.

01:25:28.340 So that was not Daniel adding punches.

01:25:31.480 He wasn't pulling them, certainly, but he also wasn't just sticking it to the man, shooting

01:25:35.240 himself in the foot.

01:25:36.280 Yeah.

01:25:36.580 So there's that, and that is commendable online behavior, right?

01:25:40.280 But there's also the category of an unforced error, where maybe because you think it's

01:25:44.540 anonymous, or maybe you just don't think that it will ever matter, you are dipping into

01:25:50.200 the realm either of blatant sin, like Joel said earlier, or even just extremely unwise,

01:25:56.820 right?

01:25:57.160 Where a future employer or a future senator who wants to have you be a chief of staff or just even a future father-in-law, if you're a young man, and your future father-in-law sees that you are posting with an anonymous account that gets docs or something like that, there are the unforced errors that we want to encourage you to avoid.

01:26:17.660 Yes.

01:26:17.900 Not necessarily because they're morally wrong, although they could be, but they will just, they have the potential to drastically harm or hamper.

01:26:26.140 To ruin your life.

01:26:26.600 Yes.

01:26:27.220 Your life and your allies.

01:26:28.880 Yes.

01:26:29.260 They could connect you to someone else, and they could leverage it, and good guys that you love and you want to see succeed get hampered because you were extremely undisciplined.

01:26:38.220 Yes.

01:26:38.400 Maybe even sin and not taking a stand for truth, but just at a certain level, you open fire unintentionally on your own guys.

01:26:46.680 You were unwise.

01:26:47.480 And that really goes back to something Joel said earlier, which is a striking comment to hear where he said he disciplines his Twitter usage, right?

01:26:57.620 In all things men, young men, we are to be disciplined, even in your social media posts from an anonymous account.

01:27:05.420 Because discipline is the crown virtue before really all others.

01:27:10.900 Discipline precedes every other good thing that will happen in your life.

01:27:13.960 And so even in your sarcasm, even in your critique and criticism and cultural engagement,

01:27:20.020 discipline in all things.

01:27:21.500 Yep.

01:27:21.920 Amen.

01:27:23.800 Someone should know your social media.

01:27:26.180 This is good.

01:27:26.780 And it doesn't have to be your pastor.

01:27:28.560 Doesn't.

01:27:28.900 Stephen Wolf, he said this last week, not every pastor gets it.

01:27:32.140 And so there could be a case where you've decided to be online, you've decided to engage,

01:27:36.100 to comment, to interact, and someone should probably know, right?

01:27:39.760 Tons of men have coveted eyes. 0.75

01:27:40.960 They haven't had a problem in years.

01:27:42.060 But the accountability helps them.

01:27:43.960 That if ever they were tempted, there's a guardian there to say, ah, no, hang on.

01:27:47.760 So probably someone in real life that would call you out or say, hey, this wasn't the best idea.

01:27:51.580 Someone should know.

01:27:52.840 And that person does not have to be, and maybe even shouldn't be, in many cases, specifically your pastor.

01:27:58.520 Hey, pastor, here's my handle.

01:27:59.800 Here it is on Instagram and on TikTok and on X.

01:28:02.000 That might not necessarily be prudent.

01:28:03.820 Now, that could be perfectly fine if your pastor understands, you think he's a good mentor, that would keep an eye on you.

01:28:09.080 But someone should know.

01:28:10.140 so someone's able to say my brother in christ i want to see you take political power i want to

01:28:14.700 see you run for office and if that's still up by the time you do it it's going to be difficult for

01:28:18.880 you or this could have the potential to and it's happened not just once or twice many different

01:28:23.660 times to varying degrees good men that were undisciplined not even sinning and it hurt them

01:28:28.960 it hurt their allies they'll have someone that'd be able to say to you i saw this hit 30 minutes

01:28:34.340 ago still time to delete king go ahead and just pull that offline that's going to be your best

01:28:39.420 bet for yourself and again and for those people you are not just alone you interact with us and

01:28:44.480 anyone else online you're at some level reflective of them and reflective of the people you ally with

01:28:49.380 so for your sake and for those someone should know doesn't have to be your pastor but someone

01:28:54.380 should be able to to pick up the phone give the call in a good way not a bad way but a good way

01:28:58.900 yep i just heard and i don't remember who it is so forgive me for for forgetting some of the

01:29:03.760 details recently i heard a story of someone who was coming into the public eye and had not even

01:29:09.620 considered tweets from back you know six seven years teenage years things like that and as soon

01:29:14.940 as this person was mentioned as a potential even maybe a trump administration person um people on

01:29:21.860 the left went and just screenshotted everything the entire internet presence of this person

01:29:26.580 and then that someone had told that person you need to go scrub your accounts when you're a

01:29:30.140 teenager did that but it was already too late right and and it i forget all the details but

01:29:35.580 it either really hampered or or took this person off the list of consideration altogether yeah

01:29:40.380 well absolutely yeah all right comments any other any other suggestions or questions or anons

01:29:46.760 no that's good yep i i mean you're not going hard enough that's your word to the anon however hard

01:29:51.960 you're going there is that aspect too you need to go harder if you're not spending 14 hours a day

01:29:55.840 um yeah no i think you guys gave good words i like what you said west in terms of um

01:30:01.660 having somebody have have some accountability yep um and it doesn't there's no bible verse

01:30:07.180 that says it has to be your pastor right so like to say like well it has to be your pastor because

01:30:12.140 he's in charge of shepherding your soul and so he needs to know you know what you're doing

01:30:15.400 okay like well what about what you're doing you know in home like does your pastor should you

01:30:20.460 have security cameras in every bedroom of your home and your pastor reviews the footage of every

01:30:24.300 like yeah no no like you might you are not responsible for reporting everything you've

01:30:29.060 ever done to your pastor um but i think you should have accountability from someone yeah so

01:30:35.160 you might get your pastor involved if your trusted friend points out look my brother this is now

01:30:41.780 three months and you've just been raging in anger like sinful anger all over social media it seems

01:30:47.500 like you actually have an anger problem yeah yeah go get sure spiritual godly counsel then well

01:30:53.700 Well, and that's what it would be, is like, you know, so have an accountability partner that does not have to be your pastor, but then having that accountability, if they and you and the conviction of the Holy Spirit, you know, begin to work on your heart and you realize, no, I really am in sin, then, you know, if it's like, I've been in sin, you know, like, I've messed up with, you know, one tweet or something, and okay, then I'm going to do better.

01:31:14.060 But if it's a pattern, like you're saying, it's ongoing, then that's when you would go to a pastor and say, hey, I need some help.

01:31:21.120 yep yep so okay um yeah i think that's really good let's deal with some questions what do we

01:31:26.080 got let's do super chats maybe first yeah i don't know if i can some of some of the super chats i

01:31:31.940 don't know if i can answer might have to just give give some some five dollar refunds we got some

01:31:37.340 some five i can read michael's this is a good topic i want to know more on so maybe put a pin

01:31:41.760 in it michael and anyone else interested michael asked is there perhaps any connection between the

01:31:46.540 renaming of jehovah as yahweh in recent years in reformed circles and their move towards christian

01:31:53.520 zionism he means in english particularly yes so like english old testament translations yeah i

01:31:58.440 want to know more about this i don't know enough now to comment but um in the new year three

01:32:02.560 episodes a week we might be able to do one on it yeah my understanding jehovah is more particular

01:32:08.920 to jesus and that yahweh is more like the godhead there's something with the vowels with yahweh in

01:32:16.280 the hebrew that they get funny with yeah well yeah they just take them out it's just yeah it's

01:32:20.220 why why hwh or something like that i think it's more uh pantheistic in nature so that transition

01:32:25.200 from a more specific covenantal name to that as i understand it could be interpreted as

01:32:30.540 a broader more pantheistic just the god that there are many routes to just a very high level

01:32:36.320 that switch and then going from the hebrew zionism that would be the connection there

01:32:41.120 okay yeah that over the line like just a more general god whereas jehovah that's what i was

01:32:45.500 trying to say is in terms of like jehovah jesus and yahweh god what i was trying to say is like

01:32:49.220 jesus you know when we say like and i pray this in jesus name amen like it's it's very particular

01:32:55.940 whereas like you would see you know a lot of politicians would be like um you know they'll

01:32:59.740 say god but they may not say jesus isn't it because because jesus particularly in god oh like

01:33:05.180 like um vivek uh um haji what's uh ramaswami i said it he's indian i like johnny quest

01:33:15.820 but the point was uh in saying haji real quick just to cover that uh no i don't i don't want

01:33:20.960 him to be president right um it's america yeah it's america okay but anyways um yeah and he's

01:33:27.700 hindu right he is haji he's not wearing the turban but he's he's hindu i i stand by haji

01:33:33.340 so anyways uh vivek like he's gonna say god and pass it off because he knows he's in america with

01:33:39.900 you know a nominal christian audience he went to a catholic school so he knows what he's saying

01:33:44.700 when he says that to americans he knows what he is connoting but he'll say god a lot more than

01:33:49.240 he's gonna say jesus whereas jd vance you know who's catholic now to be fair isn't he married

01:33:55.520 to a hindu yeah he's married to a female haji but he also converted not too long ago that's right

01:34:01.280 so give it time 0.99

01:34:02.040 let him cook

01:34:02.600 five

01:34:03.060 six years

01:34:03.960 still let him

01:34:04.900 he was already married

01:34:05.640 when he converted

01:34:06.960 he's busy 0.58

01:34:07.560 no

01:34:08.920 but his first responsibility 0.97

01:34:10.700 is to wash his wife 0.94

01:34:11.700 in the word 0.88

01:34:12.180 and we need to pray

01:34:14.340 that she would be converted

01:34:15.480 and we can pray

01:34:16.020 that Vivek also

01:34:17.660 but I am much more hopeful

01:34:19.160 for

01:34:19.700 a wife

01:34:22.000 with a Christian husband 0.98

01:34:23.140 than a man

01:34:25.200 you know

01:34:26.080 who's 0.99

01:34:26.440 his wife's not a Christian

01:34:27.380 who already went to Catholic school

01:34:28.560 he already went to Catholic school

01:34:30.240 and wasn't converted

01:34:30.880 that's uh far less hopeful so not a lot of hope uh for vivette um but uh the wife of of jd vance

01:34:38.460 but here's my point vivette is going to talk about god right and if he was more honest he'd say gods

01:34:43.660 you know because the response would be which one out of the three million are we talking about um

01:34:48.720 so he's going to say god like yahweh instead of uh jesus more particular like jehovah whereas jd

01:34:54.900 vance um he literally said like when somebody was shouting the audience behind him like christ is

01:34:59.660 king not god but christ jesus christ is king and he turned around and said that's right christ is

01:35:05.640 king now are there problems with vance yeah sure right yeah but man i'm excited amen like give it

01:35:11.780 time by god's grace let's pray uh but saying christ or jesus is to saying god as saying jehovah

01:35:20.240 is to saying yahweh that that was kind of your point right someone in the chat said we got the

01:35:24.100 hebrew all wrong it's possible we'll do more research you're very clear we are not experts

01:35:28.340 gave the disclaimer

01:35:29.080 I'd like to know more

01:35:30.380 beginning and end

01:35:31.160 yeah and

01:35:31.900 here's the whole theme

01:35:32.740 of the episode

01:35:33.220 as far as I'm concerned

01:35:34.660 I was wrong 0.97

01:35:35.800 boom

01:35:36.220 oh 0.98

01:35:36.760 you thought you had me

01:35:38.000 in the arm bar

01:35:38.540 I was wrong

01:35:39.240 I'm free

01:35:39.780 get out jail free card

01:35:40.820 I continue

01:35:41.740 same things

01:35:42.620 alright

01:35:43.020 funny question

01:35:43.760 from the other Paul

01:35:44.760 great guy

01:35:45.900 did any of you gents 0.99

01:35:46.980 have a goth girlfriend 0.99

01:35:47.840 I did not

01:35:48.560 ever

01:35:48.860 I did not

01:35:49.300 negatory

01:35:49.880 alright

01:35:50.260 negatron

01:35:50.980 then some support

01:35:53.820 from Jeff Halfley

01:35:54.860 and from Treadle

01:35:55.720 thank you both

01:35:56.260 yeah

01:35:56.420 yeah thank you guys

01:35:57.720 they appreciate it wait hold on let me let me just read them i i know what you're doing there

01:36:02.260 west uh i'm not gonna read let me read them uh quietly is what i'm saying

01:36:05.700 oh okay trottle i appreciate that yep johnny quest uh johnny quest all right cool uh any

01:36:15.000 other questions out of the super chest now so the cheap seats we'll go with the more relevant

01:36:20.000 the relevant question for today's episode then there was one on revelation peter sawyer we see

01:36:26.940 in the chat a lot during the early church the church looked down on forging a letter under

01:36:31.280 somebody else's name is that the same as using an anonymous name no i would say no no yeah i think

01:36:38.360 that's immoral forging is and that is a lie yeah you know you're signing as somebody else who the

01:36:44.320 consequences could fall down on their head for you what you're what about ghost writing you're

01:36:47.940 framing someone so say like john macarthur i got a new book on ephesians coming out really an

01:36:54.060 intern writes 80 percent of it does anyone get any credit in there the interns never write 80

01:36:58.540 percent i've i've talked to some people behind the scenes with those things um they organize it

01:37:03.320 and put it in book form that is absolutely true but um you're working off everything everything

01:37:08.800 with macarthur like it's like how can you write a book every you know every three weeks you know

01:37:12.620 what like you you've written you know 4 000 books uh it'll my father-in-law has all of them too

01:37:18.160 there are 40 000 and they all exist on my father-in-law's bookshop and all the cds too

01:37:22.920 that's rough um but no it's it's uh it all comes from preaching when you like yeah if you if you're

01:37:29.020 preaching 50 weeks a year give or take and you've done that for 50 years um it's it's not just like

01:37:35.860 oh we're taking the sermons from these six months and making it a book it's also by the time where

01:37:40.000 they were making books um and john mccarthur his name started getting out there uh he would

01:37:44.360 had already been a pastor preaching 50 times a year for 20 years you know so you already had

01:37:49.360 like this backlog, this repository of whatever,

01:37:52.280 you know, a thousand, a couple thousand sermons.

01:37:54.000 And then now, and you're just adding, you know,

01:37:56.380 another 50 sermons to it every single year.

01:37:58.440 So you're taking all that.

01:37:59.680 And John MacArthur, from what I hear,

01:38:01.460 at least most of the time, manuscripts.

01:38:03.420 So you're actually taking his writing,

01:38:05.760 his real writing that he actually did.

01:38:07.760 And he does it, you know,

01:38:09.720 going through whole books of the Bible.

01:38:11.260 So you're taking, you know, and yeah, so it's,

01:38:16.580 so yes, people are involved in helping

01:38:18.520 uh macarthur's books be crafted and i would say they're they're organizing it yeah um it's like

01:38:24.840 uh what do you call it nate with like abridged you know like like it's a bridging something

01:38:29.500 they're making this a a a consistent stream of thought putting it into chapters and and where

01:38:35.680 this one goes in that one but they are working off of the original content the ideas the theology

01:38:42.480 and even many of the sentences and words,

01:38:46.240 I would say the majority

01:38:47.620 is what John MacArthur wrote in his manuscript.

01:38:51.460 So something like that,

01:38:53.080 I don't have a problem with.

01:38:54.920 However, I would say personally, if it was me,

01:38:57.820 I would want to just to give those people credit.

01:39:00.200 So I would say written by John MacArthur

01:39:02.440 and edited by,

01:39:04.880 and you could even put it in the back of the book,

01:39:07.100 but with a team of editors

01:39:09.420 that helped special thanks to so-and-so, so-and-so.

01:39:12.220 And that might even be in there, but he produces a lot of books.

01:39:14.820 There's a big system there, so there may be help in organizing.

01:39:16.900 So the Ghost Rider, all that means that Ghost Rider versus Forging, I think, are different.

01:39:23.920 Oh, snap.

01:39:24.920 Nate just popped in here.

01:39:26.580 He said, what about Ligonier continuing to produce R.C. Sproul books four years after,

01:39:33.700 no, seven years after he's dead?

01:39:35.900 William Perkins, the same thing happened with him.

01:39:37.560 He was a Puritan.

01:39:38.440 It's the same thing as MacArthur.

01:39:40.000 publishers publish their his works you know but they're working off of things that sprawl actually

01:39:46.020 did write whether it's essays you know that were published in some theological journal but were

01:39:52.340 never you know condensed and put into a small book form or whether it's manuscripts from sermons or

01:39:57.300 whether it's a lecture that he gave in a studio or whatever it's taking stuff that they actually

01:40:01.060 did write and comprising it organizing it and so all i would say to answer that question again same

01:40:06.000 same as rc sprawl even after he's dead is the same as john mccarthur while he's still alive

01:40:09.920 Anybody who's having their hand and helping make that finished product deserves credit.

01:40:14.560 Just like a movie.

01:40:15.580 A movie you don't just see the director.

01:40:17.960 Directed by so-and-so.

01:40:19.300 And then blackout.

01:40:20.680 No, like the credits go on and on and on and on.

01:40:23.780 Because it, I'll say it like this.

01:40:26.000 If Hollywood has the moral caliber to be able to recognize that every single individual involved in this product should have their name recognized, then Christian Ministries should too.

01:40:38.460 Amen.

01:40:38.980 So, add the names.

01:40:42.140 But forging, I think, is actually immoral.

01:40:44.280 Okay, another question.

01:40:48.520 Top copy, 93. 0.82

01:40:50.320 What is a bigger threat to Christianity,

01:40:51.780 white supremacy or the rise of orthodoxy

01:40:53.920 and or Eastern orthodoxy?

01:40:56.120 Neither.

01:40:58.100 We were more critical.

01:41:00.020 We did an episode on Eastern orthodoxy about a year ago.

01:41:02.720 You know what?

01:41:03.280 I would much rather a young man,

01:41:05.340 fringed as it is,

01:41:06.660 go to an Eastern orthodox church,

01:41:07.940 marry a good girl,

01:41:08.980 and uh and get his life in order and be an atheist or a nietzschean or something like that

01:41:13.900 so rise of eastern orthodoxy please be protestant instead much less cringe well

01:41:18.940 it depends parts of my gun you know i'd be like what kind of protestant are you

01:41:26.020 what type of protestant yeah protestism catholicism for me would be second if i had a gun to my head

01:41:31.860 i was in prison two choices eastern orthodox a third 500 spaces below that though uh being

01:41:38.720 cringe being pagan being a nietzschean right so i i don't view that as a threat right now

01:41:44.120 get a christian nation i think it will have to be and then white supremacy was part of the question

01:41:48.800 do you view that as a threat no no no uh there are always here's the deal it's like but i see

01:41:54.480 actual you know talking about anons and i see you know actual racist statements being made first um

01:42:00.180 i i would need to see those statements because some of them i'm not saying none of those

01:42:04.240 statement there's not one uh one person who's racist um that that wouldn't be my argument but

01:42:09.680 i would say depending who's saying oh there's these races i i would i would have to say like

01:42:14.440 well let me read the statements because you might not be the best judge um like for instance like i

01:42:18.500 remember um this was like a tiff you know on x like a month ago uh where it was like people were

01:42:24.680 saying that uh kofi needed to go back all right right yep and some people i'm not gonna name uh

01:42:30.040 anybody but some people were like um they said he he has to go back to africa and i and i looked

01:42:36.380 back over the tweets and i was like they didn't say africa the dude is literally from england he

01:42:42.360 has a he has a british accent yeah he's not american right and what they were saying now

01:42:47.540 you can still say like well i disagree i don't think he should go back or i'm glad he's here

01:42:51.300 like fine that's fine but you can't say they're racist for saying uh someone who was literally

01:42:56.340 not even born in america who is a citizen of another country should go back but so so when

01:43:01.860 people say we have a rise of white supremacy that that's why i'm saying um i would first i would

01:43:06.160 need to say uh i would need to see which tweets you're talking about because i know plenty of

01:43:09.960 guys in our camp who would have said uh kofi needs to go back was uh racist whereas i would say

01:43:15.980 no um they weren't saying he needs to go back to africa because he's black they were saying he 0.99

01:43:20.760 needs to get out of america because he literally wasn't born here and right now he's being dumb 0.98

01:43:25.040 he's posting cringe and and not and not helping christians in america right right or like sam 0.98

01:43:30.480 will say who i've spoken at a conference with him i love him i've got nothing against him i think

01:43:34.320 he's a great guy but he was getting dragged and was like hey i got it you know uh i'm gonna step

01:43:38.720 out on a limb and be courageous and say i don't like christmas hymns you know you're american

01:43:42.140 christmas and he got dragged they weren't saying yeah you're black so you don't get to say anything 0.60

01:43:47.620 no that's not what they were saying of course you don't like them because you're not a native 0.65

01:43:51.460 american right yeah you know oh oh the foreigner is saying he doesn't like american history and

01:43:58.300 heritage shocking you're from ghana then canada then here so they went it was nothing about him

01:44:05.900 being black right it was about you are quite literally a foreigner so all that being said

01:44:10.000 when people say the rise of white supremacy i'm not saying that there aren't actual real uh race

01:44:16.260 and race is just not a good word, but real sinful prejudices that the Bible would actually condemn

01:44:23.220 as sinful towards whole races of people without any justifiable cause, simply on the basis of

01:44:30.840 them being a different race, a sinful prejudice against them in biblical terms. I'm not saying

01:44:35.140 that doesn't exist. What I am saying, though, is the two examples that I just gave with Kofi and

01:44:40.360 Samuel Say, I know that many of the people who are saying there's a rise of white supremacy

01:44:45.360 would have listed those as examples

01:44:47.760 and those don't count.

01:44:49.480 Those are not races.

01:44:51.820 Okay.

01:44:54.140 Anybody else?

01:44:55.300 Caleb Bibricky?

01:44:57.280 I got this.

01:44:58.360 Caleb Bibricky.

01:45:00.380 Yeah, you're right.

01:45:01.220 Come on.

01:45:01.720 I'm sorry.

01:45:02.340 Come on.

01:45:02.740 I literally just said that.

01:45:03.980 Okay.

01:45:04.400 What's the question?

01:45:05.060 I'm going to ask it.

01:45:05.900 I'm going to ask it.

01:45:06.360 Joel, are you a fed?

01:45:08.140 What do you think?

01:45:10.060 I have been asked that before.

01:45:11.560 There was a guy who came to our church.

01:45:13.340 Great guy.

01:45:14.040 Yeah, really good guy.

01:45:14.820 we're still in relationship this is a hilarious story it is funny uh but we're still in relationship

01:45:19.000 still keep up um and he was member in the church faithful member ended up you know uh transitioning

01:45:24.200 into another church uh but great guy and and he's like super duper um what was he security well

01:45:31.780 obviously we're not gonna say his name but like no his job outside of our security right but but

01:45:36.920 before that uh in terms of military uh like he was special kind of special yeah yeah like he was

01:45:42.400 legit and uh and still like he's older now but like fantastic shape you know like just

01:45:47.440 and he's smart he's just a great guy i wish he was still in the church but anyways great guy

01:45:51.700 and uh he um he had a hard time coming to the church initially he was watching me for a long

01:45:57.660 time online online knew that i was like 10 minutes away our church and and he's like i

01:46:02.980 i think that like he's like this guy's i there's no way he's not a fed he's just like he's saying

01:46:09.400 too, like he's too based. He's too based. He's got to be a fed. It's got to be a trap. Don't

01:46:15.720 take the bait. But then he did take the bait and it was delightful. He was in the church. We had a

01:46:22.220 wonderful time. And sometimes you don't take the bait. That's true. But sometimes the thing that

01:46:27.840 guys are calling bait is actually just courageous obedience to Christ. And that you do, you don't

01:46:35.120 take the bait but you do take the hill and some of our guys right now in our camp are calling the

01:46:40.940 next hill where christ is saying come take it yeah and they're calling it baked so there's real bait

01:46:47.660 don't take it there are real hills let's take it well and sometimes the word to conquer is bait

01:46:54.400 and it doesn't matter we're going to take it anyway yeah that's right yeah sometimes you're

01:46:57.900 right sometimes the enemy actually does like like sometimes it's like he really does set a trap

01:47:03.340 The righteous and those who are wise know it's a trap,

01:47:05.780 and then we spring the trap on purpose because it's like,

01:47:10.480 yeah, it's going to be a 10-on-1 odds against us, and I like our odds.

01:47:14.600 If Christ is for us, one can cause 1,000 to flight.

01:47:19.220 But if God is on our side, who can be against us?

01:47:22.780 We've got some more Super Chats. 0.97

01:47:23.940 Go ahead.

01:47:24.260 I was going to say, to some people, too, it can seem like you kind of sprang out of nowhere.

01:47:27.280 I've known you, Joel, now for 10 years.

01:47:29.120 2014 was the first time I met you in San Diego.

01:47:31.160 you didn't come out of nowhere straight from langley plugged into georgetown you've been

01:47:35.340 in ministry for a long time i've been to your church in that ministry um yeah you didn't come

01:47:40.480 from nowhere i think you put in a lot of faith work over the years that led to the growth right

01:47:44.720 response in the last few years yeah thanks yeah having people that know you long term uh definitely

01:47:49.440 helps um and and by god's grace our church our church is small it's only three and a half years

01:47:54.860 old you know so we're about 200 people and uh but there are some like like my parents my mom and dad

01:48:00.540 are members in our church right you know um i've got nathan is my cousin you know and we're related

01:48:07.620 and then i've got brother-in-law in the church and you know and then people you know we've got like

01:48:11.880 what eight families that came with us from california that have been with us for you know

01:48:16.180 i've had relationship with for over a decade one of my best friends is member in the church that

01:48:21.020 we met roommates in college it's been 18 years so yeah that helps all right uh what's another one

01:48:26.280 that you guys want to read oh here we go thanks for defending sanity thank you this is jeff uh

01:48:31.540 halfley is that what we're doing yep jeff halfley uh from all the greatest christian prince of the

01:48:36.540 last 400 years if not who would you nominate for the title adolf hitler i was about to say

01:48:42.360 i literally knew that was coming i could have done myself no frank so real quick that's i think a

01:48:48.940 good one where we're talking about like strategy and stuff like that um you can disagree on

01:48:52.800 historical events like some guys are going to say no i just i don't i'm sorry i like there's a 0.90

01:48:58.440 difference in saying um the morals are right like we should eradicate an entire race of people and

01:49:04.180 that's great and i support it okay well i got a problem with that pastor orly i gotta deal with

01:49:08.260 that uh but somebody's saying no historically i just think the numbers are wrong russiany thought

01:49:12.380 the numbers are wrong yeah for 30 years for 30 years okay we've talked about that he was already

01:49:17.140 so guys who disagree with the history and they're like no i just i i think it's wrong right the

01:49:21.840 nuremberg trials are like a lot of them were performed by bolsheviks so right the soviets

01:49:26.780 the soviet communists who in part were made up by jews are are the guys who are tasked with the

01:49:35.160 nuremberg trials to find out how many crimes to bring the evidence of how many crimes the nazis

01:49:40.020 performed that's a little sus you know so anybody who's saying those kinds of things that's you

01:49:45.920 might be wrong right right you might be wrong and if you're going to go against the mainline

01:49:50.500 consensus um then yeah you like you need to you need to do the reading you need to like you need

01:49:56.580 to come put your best foot forward and and have some strong arguments like that you shouldn't do

01:50:01.240 that lightly you shouldn't just be a contrarian who's like well 80 of the population believes

01:50:05.600 this so then i'm going to believe the other right like a lot of like a lot of guys right now like

01:50:09.340 the flat earth thing people like joel you got to be flat you're super base so you got to be flat

01:50:13.140 earth too no um just because something's a minority position doesn't mean i automatically

01:50:17.740 take it i'm sorry i think we've been to the moon i think the whole conspiracy saying that we haven't

01:50:23.120 been to the moon honestly i think that that's just to rob one more achievement from white men

01:50:28.220 believe it or not so i actually think that we have been to the moon and all the guys who are

01:50:32.620 saying space isn't real and nasa is fake and um i think ironically you're actually teaming up 0.68

01:50:38.620 with the progressive libtards who want to say that the white man has never done anything uh 0.98

01:50:44.280 worthy of all astroturf achievement yeah uh-huh so you're actually i think you're the loser okay 0.97

01:50:48.860 so all that being said here's the point um i you can be flat earth and be a member in our church

01:50:53.920 that's fine and you can disagree with the numbers and you can disagree with uh some of the um the

01:50:59.860 reasoning and stuff you know like churchill cutting off supply blah blah uh that that's history

01:51:03.960 the morals though the morals is where we get into it um i i just from his own words from his own

01:51:11.660 words, I do not believe you can make a defensible argument that Hitler was a Christian, much less

01:51:17.640 a great Christian prince. That's why I know much to the disappointment of some of the anons online. 0.94

01:51:24.300 It's like, no. It's funny. Some of the guys are like, I was just about. For months, you've been

01:51:30.960 in controversy, and you've stood up and protected this member in your church against an onslaught

01:51:35.880 of big names. And this whole time, for months, I could have sent you a donation, but I haven't

01:51:41.320 done it yet, but I was just about to. And then you helped Joseph Spurgeon and said that Hitler's 0.83

01:51:52.180 not a Christian prince. And so now it's like, really? For two months, I've been getting raped

01:51:57.100 and stood my ground and you didn't give a donation, but you were going to give it in the

01:52:01.460 next 15 minutes and the timing was like your $15 donation. So no, I don't believe you. So no,

01:52:06.540 I don't think that Adolf Hitler was the last Christian prince. Here I stand, I can do no other. 0.83

01:52:10.700 But, and my point is back to, you know, anons and not just morally, but strategically, what wins?

01:52:17.380 That is just, it's not a winning argument.

01:52:19.900 So I think it's actually immoral, which is why I've...

01:52:23.840 The views themselves are immoral.

01:52:25.160 The views.

01:52:25.940 The moral.

01:52:26.360 The history you can disagree with, but the views.

01:52:29.040 The views are immoral.

01:52:30.400 But then also, aside from just morality, and that should be enough, because we're Christians, we love Jesus, and we want to be moral.

01:52:35.700 But then, strategically, I want to win.

01:52:38.660 so part of the reason like some of you you're like joel you're super based i just saw you were

01:52:43.160 picked up by candace owens or you know i saw you on this or i saw you on that and then and then you

01:52:47.440 start following me and then some of you get disappointed because then i'll you know i'm i'm

01:52:52.000 i'm based but i won't be quite as based as you want you know like i i'm i'm not um i'm not a

01:52:57.660 part of you know like uh some kind of you know covert group to you know to try to take down nasa

01:53:05.540 you know, or I don't, I'm not making a t-shirt, you know, that says Hitler was the last Christian 0.85

01:53:11.420 prince, you know, like, oh man, I had such high hopes for Joel, but he's a disappointment, you 0.98

01:53:15.860 know, he's like, no, guys, I'm just, I'm not retarded. I'm sorry. Like, you're not looking 1.00

01:53:21.700 for courage. You're looking for stupidity. And so if that's what you're, then yeah, I'm not going 1.00

01:53:26.160 to be your hero. I'm sorry. Daryl Cooper, Martyr Made Podcast, great. It's great. The member of my

01:53:34.880 church i'll defend him to the cows come home guys who disagree on the history of world war ii i'm

01:53:39.580 with you i i i will defend you um yeah any pastor trying to put you under church discipline i will

01:53:45.500 publicly say that's wrong um there's a lot of things that like i'm your guy um but actually

01:53:51.680 rewriting some of hitler's own words and saying that he uh truly loved the lord jesus christ

01:53:58.320 and had no sinful animosity in his heart towards Jews.

01:54:06.060 I'm not able to make that argument.

01:54:08.960 And even if I was, it is not a winning argument.

01:54:12.260 We've said it countless times.

01:54:13.980 We need models.

01:54:16.000 Cromwell is a good one.

01:54:17.820 George Washington is a good one.

01:54:19.420 You want to be a little spicy

01:54:20.740 and go against mainline consensus history?

01:54:23.240 Great. 1.00

01:54:23.560 Stonewall Jackson is a good one.

01:54:25.460 Robert E. Lee is a good one. 0.97

01:54:27.180 adolf hitler is a retarded one so stop it just just can i can i throw franco in though in there 0.87

01:54:34.580 for how effective he was franco is not as good as uh and jr tokian greatest author of all time 0.91

01:54:40.300 loved him yeah so oren mcintyre we'll plug him yeah he's a friend we like him he's coming to

01:54:45.160 the conference uh but oren just did a podcast like two weeks ago or a week ago and it was uh

01:54:50.240 he was commentating reading an essay and uh and commentating on it and it's uh this guy who wrote

01:54:56.680 an essay off of observing a conversation he was in a pub with uh c.s lewis and c.s lewis was the

01:55:03.500 lib in this particular conversation um rare c.s lewis l and tolkien was was the conservative

01:55:10.120 and lewis because lewis was a protestant right whereas tolkien was a catholic and so lewis was

01:55:15.860 like uh you know in the popular view at that time tolkien was going against the popular view

01:55:20.020 but uh and lewis was you know lining up with the the mainline consensus in that moment on 0.71

01:55:24.500 Franco and so Franco and he was like well we don't like him he's a tyrant he's he's a fascist

01:55:32.200 he's an authoritarian and you know he's breaking way too many eggs to make this omelet he's gone 0.94

01:55:37.100 too far and Tolkien was like well they were killing Catholics the communists are killing 0.91

01:55:43.240 Catholics they're killing nuns they're killing worse things and worse things and yeah that we

01:55:49.080 won't save for the algorithm with with youtube but um they're doing terrible things and um and 1.00

01:55:54.740 so tolkien was sitting there defending uh franco and saying yeah like heavy hand no doubt uh no

01:56:00.840 doubt heavy hand uh but this dude is not a villain right so uh cromwell better better example probably

01:56:06.760 franco though i'm gonna go on record and say permissible yeah i pick stonewall jackson over

01:56:11.700 him yeah i pick cromwell over him um i pick robert e lee over him but uh but i am not gonna sit here

01:56:18.040 and dunk on Franco.

01:56:20.360 I don't think he was terrible.

01:56:22.060 So to make a defense of Franco,

01:56:26.680 Franco Franco, what do you say, man?

01:56:28.220 It ain't on, on, on, what do you say?

01:56:30.080 It depends if you're speaking English.

01:56:31.760 Okay, Franco.

01:56:32.300 Haywood does say Franco, though.

01:56:33.680 Yeah, I've heard him say it, yeah.

01:56:34.700 He's more cultured. 1.00

01:56:36.300 He's better red, for sure. 0.99

01:56:37.360 That's like people who pronounce every foreign word 0.98

01:56:39.380 the way the foreigner would pronounce it.

01:56:40.860 That's right, I'm an American.

01:56:41.980 I deserve the right to say whatever I want.

01:56:44.080 Okay, so Franco, I'm gonna say Franco.

01:56:45.800 but um franco i do think is permissible anybody who's coming out and saying like oh my gosh he

01:56:50.100 was terrible and this is uh guys on the right are saying good things about him those guys are libs

01:56:54.760 they've always been libs they they just look like conservatives in 2018 because the libs were

01:57:00.280 winning and by compared but those guys are libs james lindsey is a lib michael o'falon god bless

01:57:05.840 him he's a brother in christ he'll be in heaven but he's a lib he is and so um so yeah so i i think

01:57:11.680 anybody who's defending franco that's great i would say though i think if you if you want to

01:57:16.220 steal man and put your best foot cromwell back to the question from jeff halfley uh cromwell is a

01:57:21.400 better christian prince example but i would say cromwell great franco defensible um hitler 0.85

01:57:31.480 retarded guys i like it's just not a winning strategy i don't think it's defensible 0.86

01:57:38.960 and it's not a winning strategy the post-war consensus has to be utterly obliterated but 0.96

01:57:46.580 obliterating the post-war consensus and everything i don't like is adolf hitler

01:57:50.780 does not require us to say that hitler was a christian prince and i'll say this last um it's

01:57:58.860 similar to uh napoleon napoleon demonized this is what history does over time because because

01:58:04.220 hitler's still kind of recent it's 80 years um but this is what history does uh napoleon demonized

01:58:09.300 and then for a brief moment with some sectors lionized right right so he's the embodiment of

01:58:14.340 evil oh no he's the hero he did nothing wrong and then eventually what history does is humanize

01:58:19.300 demonize lionize humanize i think we're in the demonizing shifting to lionizing phase

01:58:27.160 on hitler right now and what i'd like to do is can we just skip over like what martyr maid has

01:58:31.920 done, what Daryl Cooper, and just humanized. That's what he did on, he did not say Last

01:58:36.620 Christian Prince, but what he did say is, well, Churchill wasn't so great, and here are these

01:58:42.320 factors, these factors, these factors, these factors. Still think this was immoral, still

01:58:47.000 think this was wrong. Also, it's not as bad as what the seven Hollywood movies every year for

01:58:53.440 the last 80 years have been saying, and we don't need to lionize them, but we do need to humanize

01:58:58.980 And when we say humanize, that doesn't mean a defense that there's nothing wrong.

01:59:04.160 Humans have faults.

01:59:06.340 So humanizing means there was some good.

01:59:08.800 There was also some bad.

01:59:10.360 But the post-war consensus, I think part of tearing it down does involve, this isn't a

01:59:15.800 major part, but I think it is a minor part.

01:59:17.840 It does include humanizing Hitler.

01:59:20.320 It does not include, it is not necessary to lionize Hitler.

01:59:24.820 Here I stand. 0.61

01:59:25.800 I can do no other.

01:59:26.600 I really think that we can beat the libs and tear down the post-war consensus and have a muscular right, dissident right, Christian nationalist, without having to say that Hitler is the last Christian prince.

01:59:43.080 I really think we can.

01:59:44.400 I'm going to throw out my honorable mention.

01:59:45.980 John Winthrop, first governor of Massachusetts.

01:59:48.240 Great one.

01:59:49.500 All right.

01:59:50.360 Great.

01:59:50.760 That's it.

01:59:51.240 I have a special surprise for you all.

01:59:54.220 Oh, okay.

01:59:54.460 It's not really a surprise.

01:59:55.140 Julie mentioned it earlier, but Nate, if we're, if we're ready with that particular piece of

01:59:59.620 historical. Oh, beautiful. We got it. There we go. Boom. So this is the Luther meme,

02:00:04.700 the Luther illustration of the, the common German folk farting at the Pope. Beautiful. And is that 1.00

02:00:10.620 like almost, it looks like it's almost even the fart is so potent. Yeah. It is setting it like

02:00:15.600 on fire to the Latin Vulgate. Yeah. Oh, that's Latin Vulgate, of course, pronounced Latin

02:00:21.260 full gay 1.00

02:00:22.100 correct pronunciation 1.00

02:00:25.900 I'm sorry

02:00:27.080 I'm in a mood today

02:00:27.960 I am in a mood

02:00:28.680 all right

02:00:29.660 well okay

02:00:30.640 let's

02:00:31.440 let's call it a day

02:00:32.880 yep

02:00:33.160 I hear my family

02:00:34.100 they're here

02:00:34.920 gotta go

02:00:35.860 I got a Peruvian chicken

02:00:36.700 waiting for me

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The NXR Podcast - December 12, 2024

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