00:19:04.780the common people who were ready to ally themselves with Luther against the financial and spiritual tyranny of the Catholic Church.
00:19:11.340And so what you're saying, Wes, is 100% right.
00:19:14.260But on the other hand, historians have also recognized—and this is a quote here—it says,
00:19:19.380A large portion, perhaps half of the Reformation pamphlets, omit any indication of author or printer, partly—why?—to avoid the risk of prosecution, partly perhaps to indicate a mighty but anonymous swell of popular support for reform.
00:19:34.780And so even back then, there was a need for some of these to be anonymous.
00:19:40.260Number one, to focus on the argument, not the personality.
00:28:07.200And as I researched some of this, I realized this idea of not only having an anonymous account to avoid being exposed, to avoid your livelihood being taken away from you, or in some cases during the Reformation, the Catholic Church would, you know, would imprison you and lock you up and kill you in some cases.
00:28:26.100So there was that aspect, but there's a rich history of really funny or really serious historical, like you pick an anonymous pseudonym that you want to emulate, like Cenex or something like that.
00:28:38.740You pick a funny name, like Alexander McSarcasm.
00:28:43.100This sort of thing, I'm going to go out on a limb and say it.
00:28:46.780Anonymous activity, political, and religious speech is part of the American spirit.
00:28:51.160It's part of the European spirit as well.
00:28:52.760But it's not just be very serious and stern and only write anonymously if you're writing this extremely well-thought-out, educated, erudite, philosophical pamphlet.
00:29:04.380No, there were people who were just publishing fart memes, right?
00:45:18.240For sure, then you're in sin and you need to repent.
00:45:21.040But that's not what the tweet we just read says.
00:45:23.740The tweet we just read, what it says is,
00:45:26.980It claims, it asserts as a definitive, as though the person who wrote it has omniscience, that every Christian anon account that's pro-Christian nationalism, that they're not doing anything, that they're not evangelizing, that they're not doing the work of an evangelist, they're not sharing their faith, that they've won zero souls.
00:45:47.380And not only that, but it also ropes into that, in its accusation, all their leaders.
00:45:52.260and like and and and this is why you don't name here's a it's it's effeminate it's not just
00:45:59.180effeminate it's wicked it is um and this is why um intentionally what will happen guys do this
00:46:05.040again and again and again um they won't name the leaders because as soon as somebody else says are
00:46:12.180you saying that about joel webbin are you saying that about stephen wolf are you saying that about
00:46:15.480brian silvey are you saying that about eric con are you saying that about andrew isker then they
00:46:19.140say oh no no i wasn't thinking about them i was thinking about raw egg nationalists right who's
00:46:23.520not even a christian right like no no no no no you were you were thinking about us you said
00:46:28.800christian nationalists stephen wolf literally wrote the book on christian nationalists and
00:46:34.560anonymous accounts that are pro-christian nationalism and their leaders right i think
00:46:40.520it's safe to assume that that would be christian nationalists with podcasts and platforms that are
00:46:46.340putting out material that these anonymous accounts support, listen to, and share. You're talking
00:46:52.040about CJ Engel. You're talking about Andrew Isker. You're talking about Stephen Wolf. You're talking
00:46:55.540about Ogden. You're talking about me. That is who you're talking about. And here's the deal.
00:46:59.640We are winning souls. We are winning souls. And discipling them.
00:47:04.040And discipling them in the local church setting and online through podcasting and through pastoring
00:47:11.220in both realms and there are many christians that i know of in my church alone that have
00:47:17.860anonymous accounts that are spending clocking in real hours every single week with their wives
00:47:24.160with their children and with other members in the church discipling them or with non-christians
00:47:30.380who are colleagues in the workplace and those things and sharing their faith so just no no
00:47:37.240you're wrong. Now, make a different argument. Say, some of the anonymous accounts that claim
00:47:42.980to be Christian and support Christian nationalist leaders have gone too far. I understand that you
00:47:47.880could use an anonymous account to push the discourse by being a little bit outside of
00:47:52.740the Overton window, and that these things objectively don't go against biblical principles,
00:47:56.680they just go against modern sensibilities, and I think you might be wrong, or maybe you might be
00:48:01.360right, but that is permissible, and I acknowledge that. But in the objective sense, there are some
00:48:07.620things that are simply not allowed in Scripture. Some things really are objectively sin. I noticed
00:48:13.160that these anonymous accounts have said X, Y, and Z. They've used perverse, crude language,
00:48:20.400sexual language. They've degraded women. Okay, now we're cooking. Let them cook, right? That's0.91
00:48:29.160being a pastor and bringing your pastoral sensibilities to uh the social space and i've
00:48:34.360done that yep i have done that hey dude that one you got to delete it got to take it down i'm sorry
00:48:39.400uh but that one it's uh that that one is not just i'm pushing back against the post-war consensus
00:48:44.700no that one you're just sinning yeah you're just sinning um so so there's a place for that but but
00:48:50.160what west just read that tweet isn't is not that that tweet is um all anonymous christian uh
00:48:57.460nationalist accounts are uh losers who have never done anything for the kingdom of god whatsoever
00:49:02.400and all the christian nationalist leaders that you're following aka joel steven wolf all of them0.94
00:49:09.480they also haven't won a single soul to christ and they don't do the work of evangelists brother that
00:49:14.180is a bold claim that's a bold claim especially on your first day so maybe maybe not having the
00:49:24.480next account was a good idea yeah it the i don't have examples of it pulled up but one of the other0.90
00:49:29.180one that that gets levied from our camp is they're in their mom's basement and they're losers right
00:49:33.440so many of them and not every single one of them is literally married but my goodness of guys that
00:49:38.500i think of that are anonymous but i know in some capacity they are hard-working family men often
00:49:44.480with multiples of children like the amount that truly are uh literally like truly in their parents
00:49:50.660basement because they don't work a job that can get them out of there it has to be in the single
00:49:54.520digit percentage one of the big account accounts on twitter write some really good stuff cryptos
00:49:59.320dude has like six kids and just about as many grandkids and people assail him or whatever like
00:50:03.660you won't attach your name to this he is so accomplished and so well read and so successful
00:50:08.760privately and outside of this life that if you're going to try to use this banner well those that
00:50:13.180wouldn't attach their name to it they won't do that because they haven't accomplished anything
00:50:16.680and everything that they said would be discredited no they've accomplished so much so many of them
00:50:21.900and so that that falls into the realm slander when you're saying these people have accomplished
00:50:26.600nothing they're losers no actually that most of them are very successful good godly men that you
00:50:32.360just poisoned slandered and lied about amen dude if guys knew who smash bales was like i've had the
00:50:40.400privilege of getting to spend some time with him in person and i would consider him a friend but uh0.57
00:50:46.060they just assume like you're an anonymous account so you must be 350 pounds in your mom's basement
00:50:52.700and you've done nothing you know in life or for the cause of christ right um i one day i mean
00:50:59.260obviously today's not that day and it's not my right or my position to do this but one day i
00:51:03.660hope that he is secure enough to where he can just come out and be like here i am come at me and
00:51:09.540nobody can do you know a darn thing about it but uh some of these uh large christian nationalists0.96
00:51:15.460uh anon accounts are um not only are they not uh overweight out of shape losers but they are some
00:51:23.860of the most accomplished um yeah it's it's impressive every time they dock someone this
00:51:29.980happened to a lomez they like docks this writer named lomez he's written for first things just
00:51:34.580an attractive handsome well-accomplished dude like every time they dock someone on the right
00:51:39.240like oh it turns out they're well-adjusted family good-looking healthy right we got him again
00:51:45.160Because right-wing views tend to align, not always, but it does tend to align with people who have discipline, are hardworking, are healthy, are pro-family, pro-marriage, all those kinds of things.
00:52:02.800It's the leftist that look like orcs with purple hair, right?
00:52:12.160that leftist progressive worldview, it pairs perfectly with an orc, you know, but the right
00:52:22.340wing worldview, especially whether you want to call it, you know, the new dissident right or
00:52:28.300Christian nationalism or in an old sense, because it's really old ideas, because it's really not
00:52:33.600new, it's just being, you know, dusted off and rediscovered, but paleoconservative would be
00:52:37.820another good term for it uh these are old old views that appeal to um to men who are disciplined
00:52:46.580accomplished in shape with high testosterone yeah yeah that's we're gonna do a full episode
00:52:53.740sometimes politics is biology there's so much great research so x is one way to push the overton
00:53:00.660and to change the discourse and to disciple and shape people and all these absolutely um another
00:53:05.240way is literally just to uh to get people to work out right to uh to stop eating seed oils yep um
00:53:11.760you can like seriously studies have studies have been done about this um at a certain point your
00:53:17.540testosterone hits a certain point and all of a sudden you it's like i don't even know what
00:53:22.020happened but i i just came out of the voting booth and for the first time in my life i voted
00:53:25.020republican right down ballot yeah like if if you have high estrogen you vote democrat oh overweight
00:53:32.160women vote democrat at higher levels than women that are in shape just at this raw statistical
00:53:36.100level yep yep all righty that's great that's good content i love it i have a question um you guys
00:53:43.300help me out here because this is a legitimate question that i have what i'm not asking us to
00:53:48.340speculate but like what let's steal man why are some of the establishment um even christian
00:53:55.680voices opposed do you think to this whole anon army idea like like it's in our history um there
00:54:07.580are good reasons for it um is it the abuses that that that we see sometimes because certainly of
00:54:13.980course there's a sense where if i'm behind a curtain i can go too far yeah um is it the abuses
00:54:20.140Is it fear of abuses that aren't realized yet?
00:54:24.380Or is it just, Steve Day said something a little while ago.
00:54:27.800He said that the older generation doesn't understand the language of memes.
00:54:32.360A meme is not about what the historical context of an image.
00:54:37.100A meme is about the immediate message that it communicates in that moment.
00:54:42.740And nothing else about the meme matters.
00:54:44.600And his point was there's a different language that's being developed online that people who didn't grow up online or don't spend a lot of time online don't really speak very well.
00:55:23.000I think they may actually have some principles that the older, more established Christian leaders who don't like the Anon accounts, I think some of their distaste towards the Anon accounts comes from principle.
00:55:35.460but we have to acknowledge that if it's not the exclusive soul factor it is at least one of the
00:55:41.320factors uh that they also don't like the anon accounts because the anon accounts are dragging
00:55:45.600them and making them look silly yeah so that that's part of it is the anon accounts currently
00:55:50.380are against them that is absolutely part of it beyond that i would say that um because of
00:55:57.580just technological innovation and all these kinds of things um it is easier than ever before
00:56:04.840ever before to say something publicly we've never been able to because you know freeze even in
00:56:11.120places that had free speech um they they just practically speaking there was only a few people
00:56:17.680in in the entire world who would be able to freely speak to thousands of people yeah right because
00:56:24.180the ability whether it was you know caesar and rome and an amphitheater being like just the you
00:56:28.800know like a pauper couldn't do that right and so it wasn't until the gutenberg printing press
00:56:33.940you know that you could actually uh somebody could but even then it like it costs money
00:56:38.980you know and so it has to be yeah it had to be approved by different people so this is really
00:56:43.620one of the first times in human history um that so so yes there's a rich heritage of anonymous
00:56:50.420accounts and and a real purpose for that um but this is one of the first times i guess what i'm
00:56:55.400trying to say is this is one of the first times in history that you can have um an anonymous0.85
00:57:01.280account an anonymous person or somebody writing under a pseudonym um who sucks and unvetted0.56
00:57:08.720like unvetted but not just unvetted like they're not good yeah yeah like there are like i have to
00:57:13.900be honest like there are plenty of anon accounts and i'm not saying they're not good because
00:57:17.900they've gone too far there are guys who do that that's a separate category going too far they
00:57:21.260actually have broken some kind of moral boundary they've actually uh in entered into an objective
00:57:26.340level of sin there's that that's not what i'm talking about right now what i'm talking about
00:57:29.640is take morals aside i'm saying there are actually plenty of anon accounts today that are just not
00:57:37.060good right like yeah like your hot take is it's not it's not insightful you're not wise you're
00:57:43.680not very intelligent you're not very effective it's just you don't get it you just don't get it
00:57:48.200yeah exactly like it's it's not good so so my point is you know if i'm trying to steal man
00:57:54.100right and and be fair to uh some of the the older established christian leaders um especially the
00:58:02.060guys in our camp who i love who i think are wrong on some things but i love and respect and
00:58:07.360appreciate those guys i think uh if they were arguing from principle i think they probably
00:58:12.400wouldn't say this but what i'll say on their behalf because they may not say it themselves
00:58:16.380is one of the reasons they don't like the anonymous accounts is because the anonymous
00:58:19.160accounts are currently against them and making them look silly right so i'll add that reason
00:58:23.260I think, you know, to give some reasons that they might say themselves, they would say, yeah, but also, you know, when John Adams or Jefferson or somebody, you know, one of the founders is writing under a pseudonym, they were good.
01:25:57.160Where a future employer or a future senator who wants to have you be a chief of staff or just even a future father-in-law, if you're a young man, and your future father-in-law sees that you are posting with an anonymous account that gets docs or something like that, there are the unforced errors that we want to encourage you to avoid.
01:26:17.900Not necessarily because they're morally wrong, although they could be, but they will just, they have the potential to drastically harm or hamper.
01:26:29.260They could connect you to someone else, and they could leverage it, and good guys that you love and you want to see succeed get hampered because you were extremely undisciplined.
01:26:47.480And that really goes back to something Joel said earlier, which is a striking comment to hear where he said he disciplines his Twitter usage, right?
01:26:57.620In all things men, young men, we are to be disciplined, even in your social media posts from an anonymous account.
01:27:05.420Because discipline is the crown virtue before really all others.
01:27:10.900Discipline precedes every other good thing that will happen in your life.
01:27:13.960And so even in your sarcasm, even in your critique and criticism and cultural engagement,
01:28:10.140so someone's able to say my brother in christ i want to see you take political power i want to
01:28:14.700see you run for office and if that's still up by the time you do it it's going to be difficult for
01:28:18.880you or this could have the potential to and it's happened not just once or twice many different
01:28:23.660times to varying degrees good men that were undisciplined not even sinning and it hurt them
01:28:28.960it hurt their allies they'll have someone that'd be able to say to you i saw this hit 30 minutes
01:28:34.340ago still time to delete king go ahead and just pull that offline that's going to be your best
01:28:39.420bet for yourself and again and for those people you are not just alone you interact with us and
01:28:44.480anyone else online you're at some level reflective of them and reflective of the people you ally with
01:28:49.380so for your sake and for those someone should know doesn't have to be your pastor but someone
01:28:54.380should be able to to pick up the phone give the call in a good way not a bad way but a good way
01:28:58.900yep i just heard and i don't remember who it is so forgive me for for forgetting some of the
01:29:03.760details recently i heard a story of someone who was coming into the public eye and had not even
01:29:09.620considered tweets from back you know six seven years teenage years things like that and as soon
01:29:14.940as this person was mentioned as a potential even maybe a trump administration person um people on
01:29:21.860the left went and just screenshotted everything the entire internet presence of this person
01:29:26.580and then that someone had told that person you need to go scrub your accounts when you're a
01:29:30.140teenager did that but it was already too late right and and it i forget all the details but
01:29:35.580it either really hampered or or took this person off the list of consideration altogether yeah
01:29:40.380well absolutely yeah all right comments any other any other suggestions or questions or anons
01:29:46.760no that's good yep i i mean you're not going hard enough that's your word to the anon however hard
01:29:51.960you're going there is that aspect too you need to go harder if you're not spending 14 hours a day
01:29:55.840um yeah no i think you guys gave good words i like what you said west in terms of um
01:30:01.660having somebody have have some accountability yep um and it doesn't there's no bible verse
01:30:07.180that says it has to be your pastor right so like to say like well it has to be your pastor because
01:30:12.140he's in charge of shepherding your soul and so he needs to know you know what you're doing
01:30:15.400okay like well what about what you're doing you know in home like does your pastor should you
01:30:20.460have security cameras in every bedroom of your home and your pastor reviews the footage of every
01:30:24.300like yeah no no like you might you are not responsible for reporting everything you've
01:30:29.060ever done to your pastor um but i think you should have accountability from someone yeah so
01:30:35.160you might get your pastor involved if your trusted friend points out look my brother this is now
01:30:41.780three months and you've just been raging in anger like sinful anger all over social media it seems
01:30:47.500like you actually have an anger problem yeah yeah go get sure spiritual godly counsel then well
01:30:53.700Well, and that's what it would be, is like, you know, so have an accountability partner that does not have to be your pastor, but then having that accountability, if they and you and the conviction of the Holy Spirit, you know, begin to work on your heart and you realize, no, I really am in sin, then, you know, if it's like, I've been in sin, you know, like, I've messed up with, you know, one tweet or something, and okay, then I'm going to do better.
01:31:14.060But if it's a pattern, like you're saying, it's ongoing, then that's when you would go to a pastor and say, hey, I need some help.
01:31:21.120yep yep so okay um yeah i think that's really good let's deal with some questions what do we
01:31:26.080got let's do super chats maybe first yeah i don't know if i can some of some of the super chats i
01:31:31.940don't know if i can answer might have to just give give some some five dollar refunds we got some
01:31:37.340some five i can read michael's this is a good topic i want to know more on so maybe put a pin
01:31:41.760in it michael and anyone else interested michael asked is there perhaps any connection between the
01:31:46.540renaming of jehovah as yahweh in recent years in reformed circles and their move towards christian
01:31:53.520zionism he means in english particularly yes so like english old testament translations yeah i
01:31:58.440want to know more about this i don't know enough now to comment but um in the new year three
01:32:02.560episodes a week we might be able to do one on it yeah my understanding jehovah is more particular
01:32:08.920to jesus and that yahweh is more like the godhead there's something with the vowels with yahweh in
01:32:16.280the hebrew that they get funny with yeah well yeah they just take them out it's just yeah it's
01:32:20.220why why hwh or something like that i think it's more uh pantheistic in nature so that transition
01:32:25.200from a more specific covenantal name to that as i understand it could be interpreted as
01:32:30.540a broader more pantheistic just the god that there are many routes to just a very high level
01:32:36.320that switch and then going from the hebrew zionism that would be the connection there
01:32:41.120okay yeah that over the line like just a more general god whereas jehovah that's what i was
01:32:45.500trying to say is in terms of like jehovah jesus and yahweh god what i was trying to say is like
01:32:49.220jesus you know when we say like and i pray this in jesus name amen like it's it's very particular
01:32:55.940whereas like you would see you know a lot of politicians would be like um you know they'll
01:32:59.740say god but they may not say jesus isn't it because because jesus particularly in god oh like
01:33:05.180like um vivek uh um haji what's uh ramaswami i said it he's indian i like johnny quest
01:33:15.820but the point was uh in saying haji real quick just to cover that uh no i don't i don't want
01:33:20.960him to be president right um it's america yeah it's america okay but anyways um yeah and he's
01:33:27.700hindu right he is haji he's not wearing the turban but he's he's hindu i i stand by haji
01:33:33.340so anyways uh vivek like he's gonna say god and pass it off because he knows he's in america with
01:33:39.900you know a nominal christian audience he went to a catholic school so he knows what he's saying
01:33:44.700when he says that to americans he knows what he is connoting but he'll say god a lot more than
01:33:49.240he's gonna say jesus whereas jd vance you know who's catholic now to be fair isn't he married
01:33:55.520to a hindu yeah he's married to a female haji but he also converted not too long ago that's right
01:40:26.000If Hollywood has the moral caliber to be able to recognize that every single individual involved in this product should have their name recognized, then Christian Ministries should too.
01:59:26.600I really think that we can beat the libs and tear down the post-war consensus and have a muscular right, dissident right, Christian nationalist, without having to say that Hitler is the last Christian prince.