The NXR Podcast - THE LIVESTREAM - Gavin Newsom Attempts Rebrand as the Left Implodes

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00:00:26.800 the last six months have been absolutely devastating for the political left yes they

00:00:34.240 lost the election yes they have an image problem yes their funding network of government cash and

00:00:40.620 rich donors is drying up but right now these might be the least of their problems the younger

00:00:47.740 generation is shockingly conservative especially young men politically correct language and tone

00:00:55.400 that safeguarded leftist frame for decades is regularly flaunted and mocked, spelling doom for

00:01:03.280 the consensus they rely so heavily upon. Support for gay marriage and transgenderism is plummeting.

00:01:10.680 We are looking at the complete and utter implosion of a political party. But it wasn't always this

00:01:18.200 way. Less than three decades ago, Democrat President Bill Clinton signed the Defense

00:01:24.220 of Marriage Act, defining marriage as one man and one woman into law. Hillary Clinton advocated for

00:01:31.900 rapid deportation of criminal illegal aliens in 2008. You have to pay a stiff fine because you

00:01:37.880 came here illegally. You have to pay back taxes and you have to try to learn English and you have 0.99

00:01:43.940 to wait in line. The Democrat Party platform in 2004 advocated for, and I quote, safeguarding

00:01:53.500 all the greatness of America by protecting our people, securing our homeland, and reinforcing

00:02:00.760 our values, faith and family, duty and service, individual freedom, and a common purpose to build

00:02:09.280 one nation under God." This is not to say they were not still radically wicked even then. They

00:02:17.460 were, especially on abortion. But as they embraced more and more radical leftist positions, they

00:02:24.480 quickly fell into the very trap they set for others. Guilt and greed have consumed their

00:02:31.120 constituents. Their gender ideology accepts not even the slightest deviation from the revolutionary

00:02:37.740 orthodoxy, and they appear to have no recourse other than to keep doubling down. This episode

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00:03:08.800 Join us now as we discuss the fascinating history of the modern left,

00:03:12.960 the commencement of California Governor Gavin Newsom's attempt to rebrand as a moderate,

00:03:20.400 the surprisingly positive direction that things are going, and what the future might hold.

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00:07:38.180 and i want to take you up on the offer and we will get it done okay wes take us away i've had

00:07:44.980 this topic on my mind for a while i love love the statistics and i love them because you could tell

00:07:49.300 like a story like today the black lives matter mural sidewalk thing in dc is going down which

00:07:54.780 is awesome like that's super cool that represents definitely four and a half years of a stain of

00:07:59.860 social justice on our nation's capital but it's easy to tell stories like that or of a celebrity

00:08:04.640 or this, that, or the other, but you're not getting underneath and actually seeing our

00:08:07.720 people changing, is the tide turning.

00:08:10.460 So I've really wanted to get into for a while into what's actually shifting, public perception,

00:08:15.120 public approval of same-sex marriage, of religion, of all these different things, where the young

00:08:20.520 men going, wanted to get into this.

00:08:22.420 And as I dug into it, I realized that really the story there is actually of a political

00:08:26.840 party that very rapidly hit just turbo on embracing these ideologies and embrace them

00:08:34.580 fast, embraced them quick, led them into a death spiral. And we're looking at right now, I really

00:08:40.020 think, the end of the relevance, at least for a time until a good rebrand or the birth of something

00:08:44.920 new, the end of the relevance for the Democratic Party. We're not just going to talk about partisan

00:08:49.920 politics today. We really want to get into actually what this means for us, because that means there's

00:08:54.480 a whole new ballot going on. And right now, then maybe it wouldn't be just with the political left

00:08:59.160 as an organized caucus the democratic party but it would be with the left that's here within our own

00:09:05.960 under our conservative banner so we really want to talk about the left gop exactly many of which

00:09:11.560 many such cases many conservatives are their leftist bill clinton is to their right and so

00:09:17.680 i want to start with where actually we were and how quickly it happened because it's pretty

00:09:21.760 surprising i'm the youngest here i'm 29 i'll be 30 in less than a month but this happened just in

00:09:27.220 my lifetime so i was born in 1995 and this entire transition occurred not over a century not even

00:09:33.820 just since world war ii just in our modern era especially post obama and post really in many

00:09:40.080 ways the explosion of the internet it being accessible it being in every single home and so

00:09:44.740 to start with i i don't like reagan and i don't like clinton but we have to be honest clinton

00:09:50.920 did some good things and reagan did some terrible things um on the whole again there's there's a

00:09:57.100 conversation of what that looked like just real briefly for the listener because a lot of people

00:09:59.960 will be thinking well reagan was amazing and and he did some good things we recognize that he was

00:10:04.340 conservative in many ways but reagan also did a few detrimental things that changed the fabric

00:10:09.500 of california for sure and the country as a whole can you mention just a couple reasons because

00:10:14.600 that's kind of a for the longest time it's like i'm a conservative i'm you know i'm gonna get back

00:10:19.300 to reagan let's get back to reagan so when you as someone who is to reagan's right which isn't that

00:10:24.940 hard to accomplish what do you mean by that so big one california was amnesty a much more lax policy

00:10:32.320 on immigration on forgiveness of individuals that were already in the country he made california

00:10:36.860 blue he did right he won in a landslide and his very policies are what made it now impossible

00:10:42.700 to win a landslide like that to that degree again boomer fashion though like taking a win for

00:10:48.640 yourself coming out but then creating a landscape to where any generation behind you can't ever win

00:10:54.740 in the way that you did so that in that sense i mean he was he was right on brand for his generation

00:11:00.720 he uh no fault divorce and he later on yeah came out and said that was a mistake but he mainlined

00:11:06.460 in california no fault divorce which then quickly spread nationally to where now every single state

00:11:12.040 would have a provision for no fault divorce he's also the famous one this is his farewell speech

00:11:17.360 he said you know you can't go to japan and become japanese you can't go to australia

00:11:21.260 be australian but anyone anywhere can come to america and be an american that's the genesis

00:11:28.820 of so much this propositional nationhood right these ideas that have consequences

00:11:33.100 reagan was a big spender too yeah i don't have on this graph nate you can actually pull up this

00:11:38.080 first graph it doesn't go all the way back but the most recent time and this is this is a crazy

00:11:43.880 idea almost like i was reading it i had to read it twice in 19 from 1998 to 2001 the fiscal year

00:11:50.360 this was under president bill clinton the united states ran a surplus the government that means it

00:11:57.860 took in more money than it spent so you see right here on the graph this is for going from the 70s

00:12:04.800 and the 80s those three four years right there up to 2001 the united states government actually

00:12:10.800 took in more money than it spent if you see right there and to be fair covet impacted that

00:12:16.160 but our deficit now for all three years of joe biden was one trillion plus yeah so you had bill

00:12:23.320 clinton and by god's grace and that's a huge part i mean how my goodness eggs these days i take out

00:12:29.220 you know a home equity line of credit i go to walmart and i pick up eggs um these fiscal policies

00:12:34.920 where you spend spend spend they have real tangible impact on families speaking of families

00:12:39.960 bill clinton signed into law and again he was a degenerate in his private life we know that

00:12:44.280 he signed into law the defense of marriage act right marriage is one man and one woman that's

00:12:50.860 to the right of donald trump today barack obama for all his faults and he had many especially as

00:12:57.100 he got later on in life but a barack obama was in many ways a family man barack obama same way he

00:13:01.920 said i think marriage is one man and a one woman and he supported type of civic union for them so

00:13:07.640 he said you know if you're together i want you to be able to visit one another in the hospital

00:13:11.180 He opened up the gate for it.

00:13:12.380 But even in the identity politics.

00:13:14.520 So, Nate, you can pull up.

00:13:15.560 It was graph one.

00:13:16.480 It's now graph two.

00:13:18.520 I made this one myself, actually.

00:13:20.760 So this is a graph of three different interest groups.

00:13:23.220 And I used the United States House of Representatives with women of individuals of color.

00:13:28.760 So these would be mostly people that would have an ancestry outside of America.

00:13:32.000 And then people that were openly LGBTQ within the Democrat Party.

00:13:35.980 So if you have 435 representatives in the House of Representatives, roughly half of that is Democrat.

00:13:40.720 roughly half republican this is kind of tracing and if you're listening the lines especially for

00:13:45.680 women and people of color they go up quickly very rapidly from the early 2000s you see a massive

00:13:51.760 increase so from 2000 or so 1995 is when this starts less than 20 percent of democratic 0.99

00:13:58.040 representatives were women so it was an 80 percent male-led party and they were mostly also the

00:14:04.380 second chart they would have mostly been anglo-americans right now today 2025 where this

00:14:10.500 ends both of those numbers are over 40 so roughly half of democrat representatives democrat leadership

00:14:16.680 all of that are now women uh same thing lgbtq representation practically nil in 1995 now it's

00:14:25.440 up to three percent three percent of democrat representatives in the house that's that's

00:14:31.400 representatives elected to the highest one of the highest offices in the land i don't think that's 0.64

00:14:38.640 accurate i feel like every democrat official is technically gay just just by default of being a 0.52

00:14:45.900 democrat but and um you had hillary clinton we covered in the cold open she's like if you commit 0.61

00:14:51.520 a crime right and you're here illegally right you have to go and so all the grievance politics all

00:14:57.960 of the reparations all the even their branding I think this was a big one that they really latched

00:15:02.480 on to it's really pretty novel racism that was the thing they latched on to America was a racist

00:15:07.680 country in America's history of slavery and so we owe something to these people we owe reparations

00:15:13.080 we have to make it up we have to atone for the lack of privileges that we gave other people

00:15:17.600 but even just in that chart there the other things I charted charted about Bill Clinton

00:15:21.860 you can see that the left's evolution is rapid and it was quick and it is absolutely right now

00:15:29.160 it is destroying them they ran two women in not back to back there was joe biden the medal

00:15:34.220 who actually biggest air quotes ever won right they ran two women and it lost them consequential

00:15:40.960 presidencies they've embraced identity politics they don't hold the senate right now

00:15:45.960 or the house right they've lost all over the states with tons of states now have

00:15:50.700 a strong entrenched republican majority same thing on the supreme court they are losing at every

00:15:57.320 political angle and of course there's a symbiotic relationship but in many ways politics is

00:16:02.480 downstream of culture so these elections and these results these are downstream of people's changes

00:16:08.420 and their opinions and their thoughts their perception of these identity and diversity

00:16:12.660 politics and they are flat out rejecting it and i just find that really fascinating that

00:16:19.040 we're talking 15 years and especially 2008 2010 which i can get to in a minute they embraced it

00:16:24.760 and uh they did so to their own destruction yeah yeah that is interesting um i feel like at some

00:16:32.580 some level the democrat party um they you know they they outran their constituents and uh and

00:16:40.180 just went too far you know like the the classic meme of you know the left left me you know i've

00:16:46.180 been standing here in the same you know same place and i think there's some truth to that

00:16:50.540 um but i also think um it's not just that the left you know um the democrat party and their

00:16:57.960 representatives you know sprinted uh further left and left all of their voters but it's also that

00:17:04.800 um the right you know republicans also moved left and picked up a lot of those voters like i you

00:17:11.760 know i'm super grateful that trump you know won and i think he's doing a lot of amazing things

00:17:17.760 but on most moral issues he's to the left of bill clinton yeah you know like that i mean we just

00:17:25.260 have to be honest like we like all three of us voted for trump we're super grateful we think

00:17:29.360 he's doing a great job in many ways a lot of his executive orders um but you know like the rnc was 0.98

00:17:35.480 super gay and if it was only gay that would have been an improvement unfortunately it was gay and 0.99

00:17:41.220 demonic you know and blasphemous and praying to false demon gods and so you know like it trump 0.99

00:17:48.100 part of the reason he won it's not just that he won because every you know the populace has shifted

00:17:53.780 hard to the traditional right but um but you know the the the left democrat platform moved too far

00:18:02.380 left and the right kind of kowtowed and at least on some issues to the people you know and said

00:18:10.800 like hey like you know like i mean you know gays against groomers i mean like how is that even a

00:18:17.500 thing right gays against groomers like yeah we've done a whole episode on the statistics of

00:18:24.180 yeah of lgbt and grooming um but the point is that like this there's a ton of things like you

00:18:30.600 you mentioned it like it was on x a few days ago where it's like if this if you have a problem

00:18:35.680 with two guys in bed then you're not uh you don't know what it means to be conservative you're not

00:18:40.200 a true conservative well you're not right well because the argument there is is you know really

00:18:45.520 libertarianism right like don't don't push a position where the government would be invading

00:18:53.520 people's lives in this way and conservatism has to be hands-off in all areas and so um you can't

00:18:59.280 be like they're trying to they that i guess i know we're going to get there later but one of the

00:19:03.600 things that we have to realize as christians and as people on the right is that the definitions

00:19:08.260 are always being recreated constantly.

00:19:11.460 We live in a time, I think that's one of the curses of our time

00:19:15.320 is that definitions are constantly being recreated

00:19:18.520 at a speed that's hard to keep up with.

00:19:20.640 And so what we need to realize right now

00:19:23.060 is the definition of conservative, of Republican,

00:19:25.540 of Christian, of Christian nationalist,

00:19:27.280 all of that is constantly being recreated.

00:19:29.840 And like you say, Wes, it is constantly being leveraged

00:19:32.640 against or for certain ends.

00:19:35.780 And that's, as I was thinking about this episode, that's kind of one of the things I hope we get across is, like, the victory lap has been run.

00:19:45.160 The first two weeks of Trump's administration was the victory lap, right?

00:19:49.280 It was, I saw on Twitter or on X, someone said, you know, it's Christmas every morning and it never stops, right?

00:19:53.880 Like, okay, well, it's March now, and there's work to be done over the next four years.

00:19:59.200 And now is the time to be doing it.

00:20:01.940 I wanted to mention one other thing, Wes, and that is part of what happened with the Democratic Party, I think, is that a lot of the ideologies that they bought into only worked in laboratories.

00:20:14.920 And that laboratory was the ivory tower, the university.

00:20:19.720 And a lot of the common blue collar workers maybe could have been convinced to buy into it.

00:20:27.580 But most people are just too busy.

00:20:30.060 Right. 0.99

00:20:30.300 And they have to go with what is actual reality because it bites them in the butt every single day. 0.99

00:20:36.620 And if they violate reality, it is going to just knock them over. 0.88

00:20:41.800 And so part of what happened with those 10 or 15 years is that that actually had been bubbling in the ivory tower for a long time, since the Frankfurt School, since the liberals took over the universities in the 60s and 70s.

00:20:56.760 and what's interesting to me is actually all that we got to see was how those ideas would play out

00:21:03.280 in reality and it's like we think 10 or 15 years is a long time because we're short-lived

00:21:09.760 creatures but 10 to 15 years is nothing right and the fact that that mold or those spores they

00:21:16.840 bubbled up and then within 10 to 15 years reality was like no that's that's going to die in the

00:21:22.060 petri dish like that's actually quite astonishing well it's not astonishing it's it's quite 0.90

00:21:27.140 encouraging yeah it is yeah black lives matter lasted less than 10 years i remember yeah 2017

00:21:33.400 2018 i was aware of black lives matter and the different active activists work that they did

00:21:38.440 it was uh it was michael brown was the shooting in baltimore yep what was the other one there's

00:21:43.220 another big one before trayvon martin is michael brown the one who never said hands up don't shoot

00:21:47.520 yep he's the one charged a cop and important just stated in the one who never said hands up

00:21:52.600 exactly yeah yep that became the rallying word and they were nice little code words the cops 0.97

00:21:56.960 are out here killing people these poor black men hands up don't shoot trayvon martin was another 0.78

00:22:01.240 one i remember most of this because i was in x29 which was also blm which is fascinating that it 0.99

00:22:08.280 was taking root every single shooting yeah like was talked about ad nauseum i mean yep you could

00:22:16.020 be you could be an axe 29 church planter or you could be a blm in tifa uh protester and you like

00:22:23.020 it'd be hard to tell the difference sometimes it's the same yeah yeah you said when the pastors were

00:22:27.540 out it was pretty much diagram oh it's a circle yes sir but they hit their their high water mark

00:22:33.340 yeah right 2020 and and i remember it because it was like we've been telling you for all these

00:22:38.420 years there's systemic racism and there's you know brutality and we got it on camera and here

00:22:43.220 it is right but since that high watermark i i mean fortune 500 companies begging pleading like

00:22:49.540 please we will employ any of you we will do the work of justice millions and millions billions

00:22:55.480 of dollars flowing in this isn't 2020 like this is not a lifetime ago to practice they're done

00:23:02.540 like their mural being removed the last vestiges of dei wiped from a lot of corporate boardrooms

00:23:08.300 most certainly wiped from the united states government like their movement as big as it was

00:23:13.220 and as pervasive as it was because it had 10 years which is awesome and in many ways a white pill but

00:23:19.640 it also shows how quickly you can get momentum behind a narrative and idea but then honestly

00:23:25.160 probably some of it like uh ibram kendi got 50 close to 50 million dollars i think for a center

00:23:30.700 for anti-racist research at boston university like this was it we're gonna we're gonna put a

00:23:35.440 center in here we're going to study it study racism its systemic effects this that or the other

00:23:39.920 it closed like three months ago its funding has run out they haven't produced any meaningful work

00:23:45.100 so to your point michael very easy to have ideas very easy to have pithy statements and very easy

00:23:51.000 for them unfortunately to be picked up by the public and ran with and donated to and all of

00:23:55.820 that but the rubber meets the road and we see how long they last and honestly part of the reason it

00:24:00.440 was so easy is because that wouldn't get picked up in so many different cultures and so many

00:24:05.320 different countries and so many different time periods it was easy to get picked up in a

00:24:09.480 microcosm specifically the united states of america which is still majority white nation

00:24:16.060 in you know in the 2020s in that environment it was easy to get picked up why um because honestly

00:24:24.420 a lot of white americans are pretty pretty good people right like they're they're empathetic to

00:24:32.020 a fault yep you know they're compassionate like they're relatively well off so they weren't

00:24:36.960 worrying right like a lot of them are they're hard working they have a surplus they've saved

00:24:42.800 their money they haven't just you know been silly and and just you know and in the way that they

00:24:48.460 like they they save they work and um and a lot of them go to church not all obviously but like

00:24:55.480 go to church and want to be charitable they want to be generous you know and and so you can run a

00:25:02.840 scam like that you know in that kind of environment i mean most most countries if you you know like

00:25:09.960 blm would not have been successful in most time periods like pretty much every time period until

00:25:15.360 now like it wouldn't have stood a snowflake's chance in hell but it's but it worked here

00:25:21.380 because it worked off of it worked off of guilt and gullibility and and i think part of that is 1.00

00:25:28.260 you know and part part of that ties into feminism i think that that women are are uniquely susceptible 1.00

00:25:35.360 to because and i'm not i don't mean this as a negative thing women um when they're when they're 0.99

00:25:41.200 embracing what god has called them to do um they're incredible i can't do what my wife does 0.96

00:25:47.580 the way that she cares for our five children. I can never do what she does. But when you take

00:25:55.600 women outside of the role, the primary role that God intends, then all of a sudden,

00:26:02.620 like the natural feminine disposition of being nurturing, compassionate, caring, concerned,

00:26:10.940 all those things can can be much more easily exploited than with men like with men you know

00:26:18.940 like and you see that even in the courtroom you know like katanji brown jackson like when she was

00:26:25.340 doing you know all of her you know her hearings you know working towards being you know officially

00:26:31.200 put in as a supreme court justice i remember you know they were bringing up old court cases where

00:26:37.160 she had been really soft on a pedophile pedophiles but but one in particular and you know when men

00:26:44.760 hear cases like that and we were looking and seeing the case and what it was and and you know 0.65

00:26:49.580 women like their instinct is um if only this this young man had a good mother and men's instinct is

00:26:58.840 if only we had a short rope and a tree right you know and um and both of those are actually

00:27:05.800 correct instincts but they have to be rightly ordered right so like if uh if it's you know

00:27:12.700 short rope and a tall tree and that's uh that's the primary nurturer in the home and then the uh

00:27:21.500 if only they had a good mom and then that's your primary breadwinner you know and like then things

00:27:26.600 get you know outside of the home then things get disordered and and that's where we are you know 0.62

00:27:31.340 like that's what hr is it's it's women who wanted to be moms but chose to be moms in corporate

00:27:36.720 america instead of their home right that's what it is it's it's moms it's moms uh hr uh ladies 1.00

00:27:44.080 are uh corporate moms uh they you know they bought into the feminist lie but they still have that 1.00

00:27:49.360 natural instinct to be maternal and so they've decided to become moms of 35 year old men and 0.99

00:27:56.080 and scold them i i remember working in corporate america and i could tell with some women that 0.72

00:28:00.940 did not have kids and were in their 30s.

00:28:03.100 This is your child.

00:28:04.120 This is what you think about.

00:28:05.160 This is what you orient your life around.

00:28:06.840 This is what you dedicate your energy to.

00:28:08.900 This is your baby.

00:28:10.740 Work.

00:28:11.460 Yeah.

00:28:11.820 Go ahead.

00:28:14.720 So two ideas that I want to tie together here

00:28:17.460 to comment on what Joel was saying a minute ago.

00:28:20.840 I remember watching some training videos from the 40s

00:28:24.040 that the communists were putting out

00:28:25.820 to train communist agitators in America

00:28:29.680 to spread the communist movement.

00:28:33.000 And one of the things that they said,

00:28:34.280 this is old black and white video,

00:28:35.900 they said, you need to find what's going to appeal

00:28:39.340 to the people that you're trying to convince to our side.

00:28:42.100 And they said, America is a Christian country.

00:28:43.720 And so you need to push really hard

00:28:46.960 on things like mercy and compassion.

00:28:48.920 Because even for men,

00:28:50.580 like we are commanded as Christians

00:28:52.000 to have mercy and have compassion.

00:28:54.380 And so the communist training videos, propaganda,

00:28:58.040 specifically targeted the virtues of mercy and compassion and kindness, all of the goodwill.

00:29:07.860 And they said, and then you need to present the worker as the victim.

00:29:12.200 And as soon as you can place the worker as the victim exploited and then say your response to

00:29:19.380 this needs to be to have an emotion of compassion or mercy, then you have won a communist sympathizer

00:29:26.880 without them realize that they've joined the communist side.

00:29:29.780 Now, here's the point that Lewis made.

00:29:32.220 C.S. Lewis, he said that when we train students,

00:29:38.340 one of the things that the purpose of education serves

00:29:41.400 is to train their emotional responses.

00:29:45.380 And we've shared it before, but he said it's inappropriate

00:29:48.640 to be standing in the vista of a magnificent waterfall

00:29:53.600 that's just stunningly beautiful

00:29:55.180 and to have no reaction to it and it's also inappropriate to have an overly extreme reaction

00:30:00.960 to some minor inconvenience right and he said that christian education trains the even the

00:30:08.620 emotional responses that we have to things and i think that what happened in one of the things

00:30:13.900 one of the many things that happened in america leading to advocacy for or or embracing gay rights

00:30:21.260 and BLM and all of those things is we got told as a nation, you need to have strong emotions

00:30:28.020 about the victimization of gay people, the victimization of black people currently in

00:30:34.100 the 2020s and the 2010s. And really what was, what happened was we had no training for what

00:30:41.980 emotional responses are to be triggered, two things. And Lewis's point was not devalue the

00:30:47.260 emotions, but just train them appropriately. And what really got run on America and Christians in 1.00

00:30:53.360 America was you need to feel bad about this rather than indignant about its opposite, right? All it 0.84

00:31:00.280 was, was even the men, the Acts 29 pastors, we feel so sad. We feel so sorry for the abuse that

00:31:09.080 African-Americans have suffered. And it was just one emotional play after the other. There was very

00:31:13.560 little actual objective discernment going on there it was just an appeal to emotion and as soon as

00:31:20.800 they were told have this emotion about it and and we agreed the conversation was over yeah i remember

00:31:27.900 being angry at an acts 29 conference because it was for pastors and their wives and so you know 0.77

00:31:35.380 my wife was with me and there's all these women um and i remember like looking around the room and

00:31:41.580 seeing all these women you know crying and um like tears in their eyes and like that you could

00:31:47.240 just tell they like their heads kind of their posture body posture heads you know down low

00:31:52.180 and just just you could feel like a weight of shame and guilt as um as a couple guys it was

00:31:59.620 leonce crump and eric mason brandon washington dwayne bond i think it was the year that they

00:32:07.840 brought in ron burns who changed his name to thabidi uh anabwile um and uh you know all these

00:32:16.640 men were on stage all these black men uh talking about all the terrible atrocities and not not of

00:32:23.760 the past but like you know those two but but the big emphasis was that these things are still

00:32:29.140 happening and nothing's really changed you know and this shooting that just happened i remember

00:32:33.380 sitting there and be like like this is a shooting and they were you know eric mason was referencing

00:32:37.640 some shooting that had just happened within like 48 hours and i remember like that there were no

00:32:42.180 facts we didn't have any details and i remember thinking like okay so a cop shot a black man but

00:32:48.280 i what was it wrong i don't i don't know were they armed were they were they trying to kill

00:32:56.580 the cop was it self-defense like like there's there's a million different scenarios that

00:33:00.820 that could have and and we don't even know and you're just immediately assuming that somehow

00:33:05.740 this is racism or somehow it's unjust and you're doing so um in a pastors and wives conference

00:33:13.740 setting with all these i mean like frankly it was just it was like hundreds of white women

00:33:19.580 sniffling and crying now my wife wasn't crying because i've discipled my wife

00:33:24.880 um and she knew better and she knew like yeah uh we're being exploited right now

00:33:30.660 um and lo and behold like i can't remember the person's name you know because there were so many

00:33:36.320 cases like this during that time period where you find out a week later or two weeks later oh

00:33:40.960 actually they had a gun or actually they had a knife and were trying to stab the cop or actually

00:33:44.980 you know this and actually that like um but yeah that i mean that was a dark dark period of time

00:33:52.540 for our nation that like for the better part of a decade you just had propaganda after propaganda

00:34:00.240 after propaganda that and all of it really just i mean one clear message white people evil let me

00:34:07.580 tie that right to the could you pull that chart up again nate a decade of propaganda let's look

00:34:12.420 at this chart so this is again the increase in women and people of color and lgbtq what year

00:34:17.820 does that biggest well you guys can't read it because it's small the year that the biggest

00:34:21.020 increase comes and it's a sharp increase across this whole chart there's an increase slowly from

00:34:25.640 the 1995 what year is it 2010 2011 now there's the financial crash of 2008 you also know what

00:34:34.400 i remember becoming really mainstream 2008 2009 2010 the internet and everybody's homes and

00:34:40.520 as the saying goes you know like the lie gets halfway around the world before the truth gets

00:34:44.820 its shoes on what if in many ways truth has actually started getting his shoes on and getting

00:34:49.760 his statistics and getting his narrative what we're seeing right now but there really was a

00:34:53.420 decade where like remember pepsi commercials you know like we're all one family the human family

00:34:58.260 everyone belongs pithy statements you know injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere

00:35:03.820 i really think that increase you like you're tying that into the rise of wokeness tying that

00:35:08.540 into black lives matter tying it into the systemic racism narrative and you can see the increase and

00:35:13.480 i think a good bit of it was the very effective use and manipulation and leveraging of the internet

00:35:19.360 and propaganda to push a message this is what to believe this is what's going on you need to feel

00:35:25.880 bad for it that's probably what brought about and i mean it culminated in the election of joe biden

00:35:31.120 i mean they did their best to destroy this country for three years they did a lot of damage and we

00:35:36.800 will see if by god's grace it was the final nail in the coffin but about 10 years of propaganda

00:35:42.200 barack obama and their embrace of those radical politics really led to the state we are in right

00:35:47.700 now yeah it did and i i'm hopeful in the sense that like we've already said there's a lot of

00:35:54.360 work to be done but i'm hopeful um oh this is the sad part but i'll say it out loud because it's

00:36:02.000 it bears saying um i'm not hopeful because of the church no like you and i wes have been you know

00:36:11.160 in arguments even with like some of our friends you know in group chats who are all you know

00:36:15.780 they're all christians that's why we're in those chats with those guys and some of them are you

00:36:19.280 know formerly in ministry and some of them are business owners or you know they lead this or

00:36:23.180 lead that um and uh we've we've been you know uh had guys disagree with us but um every day that

00:36:31.820 goes by i'm more confident that um our friends who we they are our friends we love them but

00:36:36.900 they're uh profoundly wrong um there is a conservative conservative uh resurgence right

00:36:42.820 now and it's undeniable it's it's blatant it's visible and um and it's massive and i think it's

00:36:48.240 only picking up steam and i think it shows no signs of stopping a massive return to nature

00:36:55.160 natural order that men are men and women are women and you know children a boy is a boy a girl's a

00:37:00.900 girl you know it's not a lump of clump of cells you know and that woman's you know in her womb 0.91

00:37:06.280 but it's a baby like these kinds of natural things there is a return but um christians aren't i mean

00:37:12.600 we're just like, let's just not kid ourselves. We are not leading the way. We're not leading the

00:37:17.640 way. It's happening, but I see it all the time. I see it on X. I see it on people's podcasts. I

00:37:23.660 see it on Joe Rogan. I see it on like, I mean, there's a million different, whether it's Ian

00:37:27.480 Carroll or Joe Rogan or Elon Musk or this, that, or the other. It's just example after example,

00:37:32.940 after example of people who they're not Christian. They're not Christian. And yet they are leading 0.93

00:37:42.100 and garnering the groundswell for this conservative research.

00:37:47.360 And you look at all the different statistics of Gen Z

00:37:51.140 and the widest gap, I think we're going to get to that in a moment,

00:37:54.340 but between men and women, politically and culturally,

00:37:57.620 the widest gap between men and women that we've had

00:38:00.520 in a very, very long time, if not ever.

00:38:03.420 And young male Gen Z are very, very conservative,

00:38:09.380 um but not necessarily very christian right but very conservative and so like there's this return

00:38:17.020 to nature and um and it's happening it's happening in many ways without us and i think like christians

00:38:24.560 would do well to uh to take a small dose of humility and and admit that um there was a crown

00:38:33.840 lying in the gutter there was an opportunity christians christians could have been the hero

00:38:39.220 of the story and stepped in um but few did i mean honestly like the church is always let's just be

00:38:48.320 honest like at least for decades now the church is always 10 years behind the culture so honestly

00:38:53.640 one of the last woke places you'll be able to find on earth will probably be an evangelical

00:38:58.680 protestant church like when a whole rest of the country and culture and everything you could 0.89

00:39:04.040 possibly imagine, every other crook and cranny of our culture is just completely done with 1.00

00:39:09.660 wokeness, you can bet your bottom dollar you'll be able to find some Baptist Protestant church 0.98

00:39:14.840 that's still as woke as all get out. That'll be the last place you'll find it. Same with feminism. 0.98

00:39:19.900 The Japanese who kept fighting the war, you know, 30 years after it was over. 1.00

00:39:24.280 Exactly. Yeah, that is evangelicals. And it's, I mean, it's really, really sad. Just for the 0.98

00:39:31.180 record i pick on evangelicals because i am one i am an evangelical and it's probably the most

00:39:36.160 embarrassing thing about me um you know but uh but that's that's just we are so there is this

00:39:41.860 massive resurgence but it's um it's rooted in nature uh more than it is in christ uh because 0.54

00:39:49.140 it's it's unbelievers non-christians who are predominantly leading the way because a lot of

00:39:54.460 the christians um it's it's because of this this misordered misordered sentiment of of empathy or 0.80

00:40:04.140 whatever it is like christians have proven that they are not a safeguard against communism woke

00:40:10.780 wokeism marxism feminism point earlier all like that yeah and just agreeing with you michael like

00:40:16.860 all these things um christianity really this is what it comes down to so christianity is so

00:40:21.180 vulnerable to communism marxism you know all these things why because christianity is feminine

00:40:27.820 now i don't believe it is in the objective case i don't true christianity true christianity is not

00:40:33.580 feminine but what i'm talking about is modern particularly protestant evangelical christianity

00:40:40.620 has been thoroughly feminized feminine and almost suicidal in many ways right well and that's what 0.92

00:40:47.020 I mean, I remember seeing the videos of, I can't even remember at this point, if it was France or Germany or England, some pathetic country in Europe. 0.69

00:40:58.300 I mean, there's so many to choose from at this point, it's hard to narrow it down.

00:41:01.180 But I think it was France and seeing like old elderly women, you know, out there, not as their as their town is being set on fire and burned to the ground.

00:41:10.880 And they're not out there pleading or protesting against the people who are doing it, who are destroying all their heritage, all their legacy, everything they have.

00:41:19.400 No, they're out there pleading with the police, the French police, and saying, please don't hurt these monsters who are destroying our entire civilization.

00:41:29.900 That's evangelicalism.

00:41:31.240 I mean, you could just take that picture right there of like an 86-year-old woman on her knees, and you see flames in the background behind her.

00:41:40.420 her own home is being burnt to a crisp where she raised her children and played, you know,

00:41:45.060 in the backyard with her grandchildren. And she's on her knees and she is contending with and begging

00:41:49.960 and pleading, not with her oppressors, but with the French police who are actually trying to stop

00:41:56.380 those and saying, please don't intervene. Please don't hurt them. Please don't, you know, use any

00:42:02.640 force. Please don't be masculine. Please let them kill us. Let them kill us all.

00:42:09.040 the the true heart of an evangelical pastor let them kill us all said evangelical pastors 1.00

00:42:15.840 and uh yeah that i mean and so young back to my point there is a conservative resurgence uh and

00:42:22.840 it's coming predominantly from men shocker that that's to be expected and young men and predominantly

00:42:27.940 young white men because they've been hated from from their birth and they're aware of that

00:42:32.940 and they don't like that usually people don't enjoy being hated and guess where they're not

00:42:38.060 looking for guidance and inspiration to evangelical pastors and why would they why would they how many

00:42:45.660 ngos catholic and lutheran especially facilitated not passively like oh we'll let this happen

00:42:51.540 actively facilitated the settling of refugees and migrants by the millions yeah i did a lot in the

00:42:57.240 united states a ton tons of catholic and lutheran non-government organizations actively facilitated

00:43:03.180 the destruction of the west by doing their best to bring in as many using christian language the

00:43:08.460 least of these this that or the other to destroy us yeah the church doing that yeah so yeah i i oh

00:43:16.460 the last i was gonna say because you kept mentioning lewis c.s lewis and you're saying like that he was

00:43:21.180 arguing that christian education and schooling um would not you know it's not just shaping the

00:43:27.020 intellect but it's it's forming virtue and so it was shaping um even uh the soul and and flowing

00:43:34.020 out of that stemming out of that the emotions and how to uh how to have a mature and full orbed

00:43:40.100 um appropriate proper human response emotional response to things whether it's niagara falls or

00:43:46.420 whether it's a minor grievance um and i was thinking that the whole time you were talking

00:43:51.180 and i was thinking yeah and c.s lewis also thought it was absolutely insane insane to educate boys

00:43:58.500 and girls in the same school together yeah yeah so the same guy who said like children need to be

00:44:04.180 taught and shaped in terms of not just their their intellect right my facts don't care about your

00:44:10.300 feelings but also their hearts their souls because feelings if not properly trained won't care about

00:44:16.360 the facts right but in the sense of in that vein of recognizing the importance and the necessity of

00:44:22.300 shaping feelings and the soul c.s lewis would be one of the first to recognize that that the feelings

00:44:29.220 and the emotional state of a boy and girl are not the same and therefore they require different

00:44:34.300 distinct shaping in separate environments separate but equal for boys and girls separate but equal

00:44:42.580 but he recognized like boys and girls are not the same they need to be uh have different education

00:44:49.220 different shaping because they've been designed for by god for separate purposes yep so all right

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00:46:29.540 All right. All right. Welcome back.

00:46:39.940 So let's jump right in. Let's substantiate where you talked about young men and the difference that's growing in their conservative ideology compared to young women.

00:46:47.100 So, Nate, you can pull this graph up. This is from Financial Times, just really recently published, I think about six months ago or so.

00:46:53.860 and it says this for anyone listening a wide ideology gap is opening up between young men

00:46:58.800 and women in countries around the world so if you look at this graph what you'll see is in red you

00:47:05.040 have women and then in blue you have men and the higher that uh the red or the blue goes is more 0.98

00:47:11.600 liberal and lower it goes would be more conservative so red is women higher is more liberal blue is

00:47:17.160 men lower is more conservative and for anyone listening when you look at this graph what you

00:47:22.360 see and this didn't just start last year or two years ago this is something that's been going on

00:47:27.200 since 2010 actually as you see men starting to decouple from women so that would mean on average

00:47:33.920 in every single one of these graphs except for the uk which god help them um in south korea the

00:47:41.140 us most notably and in germany men decoupling from women and on the whole 10 20 percent more

00:47:49.220 conservative and where this is completely exacerbated south korea is actually the most

00:47:55.340 the biggest difference the men in south korea are based wow well south korea has been destroyed

00:48:01.600 like their fertility rate is one of the lowest and they've done everything for decades to raise it

00:48:05.460 there's no future for that country in many ways but what you see in this graph and it's fascinating

00:48:09.900 is that 2020 2015 especially men and women huge gap with men being much much much more

00:48:19.200 conservative this is not just a single survey this is not just one kind of like opinion poll

00:48:23.840 these are dozens of different graphs averaged out showing that across not just america not

00:48:29.140 just since 2020 but for the last decade across the world men are getting significantly more

00:48:36.020 conservative especially in comparison to women which poses some problems in its own right but

00:48:41.180 that's an episode you know it sounds if i were on the left you know what i would be doing right now 0.94

00:48:45.120 this is just totally hypothetical but i would be trying to arrange a massive world war to kill off

00:48:50.920 some of that young conservative resurgence among the men that's brilliant that's brilliant uk is

00:48:56.380 working on it real hard i was about to say they it's not even getting better old kier huh he's

00:49:01.420 like listen we've got muslims just coming out of every corner of the uk it's it's wonderful we 1.00

00:49:09.080 absolutely love it um we need more of them find a way to get rid of the young men but we don't 1.00

00:49:14.180 want to get rid of the muslim men we want to kill all the white native brits you know and so is there 1.00

00:49:19.700 any place where we can count on white people maybe because of patriotism you know or traditional 1.00

00:49:25.780 values all the military ukraine we're coming i'll send our 90 you know military that's all a bunch 0.98

00:49:33.220 of 20 something year old muslim men nope they're not in the military all the white boys are going 0.99

00:49:38.280 to go and die and uh and then we'll be able to have our yep dystopian hellhole islamic country 0.99

00:49:45.480 i said white pills all right next graph the decline of christianity probably a lot of you 0.99

00:49:50.860 saw this here's a white pill we fought great britain for a reason and we're not them right

00:49:55.500 that's the white we are this is america as difficult as things are here my goodness

00:50:01.260 if you speak english just call it just come over well i don't know don't you sorry

00:50:07.700 you had your chance 400 years ago yep yep we we beat you once all right you guys probably seen

00:50:14.940 this this is a new york times christianity it's a serious decline from 2007 this is percent

00:50:20.580 christian in the united states serious decline from 2007 all the way until about 2019 and then

00:50:26.540 a little bit farther down until 2021 but it's for the last three years been on the increase

00:50:31.420 this corresponds to everything that we're talking about you push the propaganda you push the

00:50:36.040 nonsense you push the identity politics too far and for now getting close to half a decade

00:50:40.920 christianity is actually back on the rise um we had 80 before we were a 97 protestant country in

00:50:47.820 1900 right and by god's grace i'll have it again but but again this rise is predominantly when you

00:50:54.600 look in the statistics it's um it's men who are returning to the church for the first time the

00:50:59.440 church has always been female heavy uh but now it's it's men that are returning and here's here's

00:51:05.420 my theory on that because i've given that a bit of thought right so i i think that you know nature

00:51:09.900 remains the undefeated champ you can't destroy nature um you can try you can suppress nature

00:51:15.620 temporarily you know but uh you can't destroy it grace will elevate and restore nature and then

00:51:21.080 apart from grace then you still have nature it's it's not restored nature but you still have nature

00:51:25.820 um and you can you know you can use demonic tactics to try to temporarily suppress it but

00:51:31.120 it will bounce back so all that said um i believe that it is a woman's nature uh to be honoring i'll

00:51:39.120 just say it i i did the whole time i'm just mindful like what is right wing watch gonna clip

00:51:42.800 and they're gonna clip this but here we go um women i believe by nature are submissive

00:51:48.160 and so then the question is not whether but which it's not as though um you know like you might have 1.00

00:51:55.500 a few individuals right there are always exceptions to the rule i'm speaking in group dynamics women as

00:52:00.140 whole in generalities but in general um women are um they're followers not leaders they are

00:52:08.060 submissive um and and so all that you've really seen is historically you you know men tend to be

00:52:15.580 you know they're more likely to be contrarian you know or independent thinkers or whatever it might

00:52:20.620 be for better and for worse like i'm not saying that's inherently always good there's pros and

00:52:26.220 cons. And so, as you saw a lot of, you know, the ramping up of apostasy in the West and turning

00:52:32.860 against Christ, it was a lot of men leading the way in that apostasy. So, it's men who were

00:52:39.440 departing from church attendance, right? It was men who are bucking against the machine, you know,

00:52:43.980 who are sticking it to the man and sticking it to the clergy and sticking it to their parents,

00:52:48.720 you know, in their typical, you know, sowing their wild oats in their typical masculine rebellious

00:52:52.920 ways. And women were the ones who remained dutiful, or like I said earlier, I think it is the proper

00:52:59.620 word, submissive. And so in a spirit of feminine, natural feminine submission, whether they were 0.97

00:53:05.140 regenerate or not, and I'm sure plenty of them were genuinely born-again Christians, but even I

00:53:11.340 suspect that there were probably a great many that weren't actually born-again Christians,

00:53:15.120 but just their natural feminine spirit, even apart from that feminine nature being, you know,

00:53:21.500 elevated by grace, was still sufficient for them to want to please their elders, to please their

00:53:29.900 authority. And the authority still, the reigning authority at that time, there was still a dominant

00:53:35.700 Christian hegemony. So, what does it look like for women when there's these new rebellious 1.00

00:53:45.660 movements against the church and against Christianity that are ramping up, but still 0.98

00:53:49.480 the dominant, you know, older authority happens to be largely Christian. Well, it looks like men 0.99

00:53:54.660 leaving the church and women staying, you know, and now I think in many ways, it's precisely,

00:54:01.400 it's not despite, but in some ways you could argue it's precisely because the left has won

00:54:05.880 and this anti-Christ, anti-religion, anti-tradition has so thoroughly won and replaced all of our

00:54:14.500 institutions and all the authority in our in in every single you know vector of our culture that

00:54:21.220 now the the rebellious spirit of young men is is like um all my leaders are uh purple-haired 0.95

00:54:29.160 queers well i mean i'm going to church right right you know what i mean and and women so it's not 0.85

00:54:35.700 actually that all these leftist women here's my point it's not that all these leftist women are

00:54:40.200 free thinking independent they're not they're just women aka they're submitting to authority 0.79

00:54:47.000 and the authority right now is godless right and they're submitting to it as they always have done

00:54:54.400 and as they always will do and men are bucking against it as they've always done and always will

00:54:59.780 do and because right now the reigning champ in the realm of authority is every university is

00:55:07.040 leftist every you know predominantly women and leftist exactly exactly so men are like

00:55:12.580 well then uh-uh i'm gonna go the opposite direction and i think a plenty of the men

00:55:17.960 don't even care if it's right or wrong they just they're gonna do the opposite right they're gonna

00:55:21.220 live their own lives and they're gonna you know buck against the machine and stick it to the man 1.00

00:55:25.840 and uh the women are not my point is they're not being independent free spirited no they're being 1.00

00:55:31.900 dutiful the way god intended unfortunately the reigning champ the reigning authority happens 0.97

00:55:37.800 to be a godless purple-haired freak and so women are submitting to that true all right let's get

00:55:44.160 to the last one this last chart this is a white pill so this is a survey this is leading up to 0.96

00:55:49.440 2022 so from 2018 to 2022 homosexual couples should have the right to marry one another so 0.62

00:55:56.260 So this is survey results across evangelicalism, the mainline denominations, and Catholicism. 0.90

00:56:02.380 And so in the red bar you have, and I'll describe it for anyone listening, on the red bar you

00:56:05.860 have ages 18 to 39.

00:56:08.060 This is young people.

00:56:09.560 I mean, if you parse it out by men, the results would be exactly what we're getting at here.

00:56:13.140 But in red, you have 18 to 39 years old, younger individuals, Gen X and Gen Z and millennials.

00:56:18.820 And then in blue, you have the 40 plus.

00:56:20.600 And so you can kind of see, and this is pretty cool.

00:56:23.560 Well, it's not as noticeable in every category, but since 2018, so you had Obergefell versus

00:56:31.260 Hodges?

00:56:33.260 Yes, I think so.

00:56:34.160 Yep, 2015, so this is 2018, three years, this is when the survey starts.

00:56:38.260 After that, you have over 50% approval in evangelicalism, 90% approval, this is among 0.73

00:56:43.960 young people, in the main line, and in Catholicism, 84% approval that homosexual couples should

00:56:50.040 have the right to marry one another. 0.80

00:56:52.000 Black bill.

00:56:52.420 That's rough. That number has fallen in every category in the four years following 2018. So from 55% of evangelicals and young people to 47%. 90% to 75% in mainlines. A 15% decrease in four years in the mainline institutions of support for gay marriage. Catholicism, 84% to 70% in young individuals.

00:57:19.200 So a 14% decline.

00:57:21.460 And the point is, someone mentioned like, well, DEI is not coming out of the boardroom.

00:57:25.000 I'm sure there's X or Y or Z.

00:57:26.940 You got to catch the trend, guys.

00:57:28.800 What is the direction trending?

00:57:30.340 Is it more approval, more celebration, bigger pride parades?

00:57:34.440 No.

00:57:34.980 Is DEI, are more companies adding DEI?

00:57:37.440 Are more companies joining the human rates campaign?

00:57:39.880 No, they're leaving it.

00:57:41.160 Support is declining.

00:57:42.400 And all of these trends, that's what we needed to see.

00:57:45.760 Things were bad.

00:57:46.380 We've talked about 2015 to 2020.

00:57:48.640 all those were on the rise more programs more investment in black black lives matter more

00:57:53.040 donations more talking about systemic racism more approval for same-sex marriage and since about

00:57:57.680 that turning point we've seen every single one of them crest do you think that say evangelicalism

00:58:04.800 that it gets down to 40 30 percent approval for gay marriage and then it just shoots up to 70

00:58:09.360 in the decade following no nope it keeps going down people are seeing the results of it they're

00:58:15.120 seeing how the pandora's box has been open how horrific it is and they're saying we want nothing

00:58:21.100 to do with that and that 44 that 75 that was two years ago i would bet today is even lower and that

00:58:28.780 trend continuing then leads to legislation leads to supreme court decisions being overruled right

00:58:33.980 so i think there's a lot of reason for optimism and again these are trends not yesterday or last

00:58:38.760 month or even in the last year this is looking at the decade we can see 2018 2019 2020 when all of

00:58:45.760 this peaked all the momentum all the capital all the support all the public opinion and every single

00:58:51.540 metric that we're looking at from the decline of christianity to men to conservative support all of 0.99

00:58:56.340 those they're on the decline and by god's grace they're going to continue to black lives matter 0.97

00:59:01.620 was just the first casualty that we're going to see the implosion of their movement all of that 0.94

00:59:06.120 2021 was a high watermark for the left yep absolutely i was just gonna say it's anecdotal

00:59:13.080 but when and i mentioned tim pool occasionally because they're one of the larger youtube

00:59:17.940 presences of alternative media when tim pool comes on there and say gay marriage will be

00:59:23.700 overturned in this country before too long yep like yep right and he's not even a conservative 0.56

00:59:29.540 he's not a conservative he's just he's a weather vane kind of he's just he's just a normal guy

00:59:35.320 who likes to skateboard yep so yeah so he's a good you're right he's a good uh litmus test

00:59:40.660 exactly so we're going to get into gavin newsom because the left those that are prescient enough

00:59:46.480 those that are not fully bought into the ideology they realize that they have a problem they realize

00:59:51.860 that they're looking at they're looking at the doomsday scenario so we're going to play clip one

00:59:57.560 uh nate and this is from gavin newsom sit down with charlie kirk that happened last week

01:00:02.240 This Democratic leader has been a staunch LGBTQ advocate, but he's suddenly speaking Trump's

01:00:08.780 language. With hopes of reaching voters and possibly a 2028-2028 presidential ambitions,

01:00:15.360 California Governor Gavin Newsom has launched his own podcast. Newsom's first sit down was with

01:00:22.020 founder and CEO of Turning Point USA, Charlie Kirk. The duo discussed why the Democrats are

01:00:27.760 losing the media war. Let's take a look. We are, we're losing. We have this, I feel it's

01:00:33.300 asymmetry of Donald Trump and Elon Musk sending out tweets or you doing social media and then me

01:00:41.200 doing a three minute hit at three o'clock in the afternoon on CNN. I mean, how the hell do we

01:00:47.880 compete? We're toast. Well, I mean, I'm part of it and credit to you for doing long form podcasting

01:00:53.600 because long form podcasting does penetrate different audiences. Right. And our show does

01:00:58.320 very well. But part of the problem of the Democrat Party that for the health of the country would be

01:01:04.100 great to change is that Democrats cannot survive in long form podcasting environments. Why? It's

01:01:09.180 too unscripted. It's too masculine, honestly. And the Democrat Party's become masculine about a

01:01:14.360 podcast, honestly, because I get the whole manosphere to go into the wilderness with no

01:01:18.640 rules and duel it out and see who's better or who's stronger. No, seriously. I mean, like what

01:01:22.880 what's good no i mean like we don't do it you're right for whatever reason don't do it you can

01:01:27.100 laugh but like who in the democrat party or not i have to say he gets it real quick before we get

01:01:34.640 into the substance the mannerisms like it's uncanny watching gavin newsom for me because

01:01:41.920 i feel like i'm watching matt chandler that little thing was skinny white men yeah they're

01:01:47.400 well-spoken but like that he's well-spoken yeah but like his mannerisms the way that he talks the 0.99

01:01:52.880 way that he moves yeah anyways go ahead and gavin newsom i mean there's not much hope for one like

01:01:59.420 who are they going to run in 2028 pete budajek like besides gavin it would have to be gavin

01:02:04.700 you think that's the only because if if that's true that's the only hope they got

01:02:08.680 think about it they just got trounce and they've got one shot and he has to do a major rebrand

01:02:14.120 which we'll get to in a minute you think that's their only shot like pete budajek no please

01:02:19.180 bernie sanders too old no tim walls who's that clinton lady uh bill pull her out of the crypt

01:02:28.060 they have no stars so their one star is literally i and i think it's because he's actually decently

01:02:34.620 competent he's woke and he's slimy but he's decently competent he's like shoot if we do

01:02:39.440 this again yeah we go out in 2028 and hide and don't do long form and nobody knows what we're

01:02:44.240 on about and i don't rebrand we are done well they have to hide because their policies really are

01:02:49.960 terrible and anybody with common sense will immediately realize that that so that's why

01:02:54.800 right charlie kirk is right in the sense that um democrats it's it's not just like like they've

01:03:00.440 never done long form podcasts because they haven't had to the whole thing has been artificially

01:03:04.140 manipulated and propped up right so like they haven't had to argue their point of view they

01:03:08.400 haven't had to prove something they haven't had to make their point they've just been able to assume

01:03:14.520 that that everything in the media that they have hollywood at their disposal they have you know

01:03:20.140 every major legacy news station at their disposal they have the entire universities you know like

01:03:25.260 every single academic realm teaching every young person you know the moment that they

01:03:29.320 reach the age you know voting age teaching them that that democrats are right and republicans are

01:03:35.820 wrong and so they've they've um they won so handedly because they did win and and it was

01:03:44.220 impressive it was wicked but impressive but they won so handedly that they they're flabby they're

01:03:50.400 soft like they're democrats are in many ways out of shape and out of touch and um and so now that

01:03:58.860 said, I think it's actually, I'll, I'll be maybe a little bit of the contrarian here, but I think

01:04:07.320 it's an easy win for Democrats. And what I mean by that, like, I think they have a pretty, a pretty

01:04:13.380 promising path to victory. Now I, you know, I'm, I'm still hopeful. And I think JD Vance will

01:04:20.260 probably be the front runner for 2028. At least that's what it looks like now. He'll certainly

01:04:24.600 have my vote i think he's doing a great job but when you think about it like how how much of

01:04:31.180 donald trump's recent win is because you know so much of the nation has really you know shifted

01:04:37.740 back to traditional values and this that and the other versus versus the fact that um

01:04:43.420 trump just assumed the center you know he just he just assumed that like he's like hey we're gay

01:04:49.680 now you know the GOP is gay now and hey you know like we're okay with abortion kind of you know and

01:04:57.860 you know we're not as far as the Democrats like you know like for any cause all full nine months 0.74

01:05:03.760 even after birth you know like that but that was his rhetoric you know he was like but it wasn't

01:05:08.320 like hey we're against abortion no matter what and so a lot of it was kind of a concession and

01:05:12.820 assuming the center and so my point is Gavin will certainly disappoint a lot of his constituents

01:05:18.220 like a lot of people are already you know livid with i was about to say there are a lot of

01:05:22.360 progressives for this neck clipper about to play that are just well yeah so they're already viewed

01:05:27.220 the fact that he sat down with charlie kirk as like a betrayal and it is a betrayal to them like

01:05:31.700 he i mean he is uh shifting he's pivoting and so like they're watching him in real time pivot it

01:05:37.700 is a pivot absolutely he's turning on a dime that like this constitutes a real change for gavin but

01:05:42.880 my point is he um my point is that like i don't think that you have like this you know this this

01:05:51.480 moral majority in america anymore that's um that's truly virtuous that's like truly you know

01:06:00.280 by conviction you know committed to a set of principles and values and i i just don't think

01:06:06.400 we have that i think we still have um those people i think they still exist and i think we have more

01:06:10.840 those people in our country than than virtually any other place on earth you know like if america

01:06:14.860 goes down the whole world like this is the last especially the south is the real bible so i'm not

01:06:19.880 i'm not saying that like other places are better i like i think this is the best place on earth but

01:06:24.820 even being the best place on earth it's not saying much the standard is pretty low right now

01:06:28.620 and and so my point is just to say that like i think a lot of trump's victory can be chalked up

01:06:34.560 to him um assuming the center and getting you know like just getting a bunch of normies who are like 0.90

01:06:44.280 yeah we're fine with being gay just don't be too gay he also plastered his face everywhere you 0.81

01:06:48.560 couldn't escape the man be hit rogan right the oval like i will be so just imagine newsome right 0.95

01:06:54.480 because we're like what two months in right so i i think that this this is um telling like if you

01:07:01.040 if we're seeing two months in Gavin Newsom is sitting down with Charlie Kirk and we think that

01:07:04.760 that's going to be it for the next four years, then I think we're, we're being naive. This marks

01:07:08.880 a turning point. I think like he's, he's on it. He realizes where they need to pivot. Um,

01:07:14.720 he's starting a podcast. He's going to be like, you, you, he sat down with Charlie Kirk. I would

01:07:20.380 be shocked if before 2028 election, if we don't see him with Joe Rogan, if we don't see him on

01:07:27.420 theo vaughn if we don't sure so he's he's going to make that move and and i think he's willing

01:07:34.320 to completely pivot because he is he is slimy like he doesn't actually have he's machiavellian

01:07:40.420 he's in search of power like some of the left really are ideologues i don't think gavin newsom

01:07:44.740 is an ideologue that's because he's we know he's not because he's pivoting like that exactly like

01:07:49.440 some like women are the prone to the ideological capture i'll run that play like aoc you know

01:07:56.060 for better or worse you gotta you know gotta give her credit like she she really believes oh yeah

01:08:01.780 like she's all in she's a true believer you know and hey you know god might use her and his ironic

01:08:07.560 sense uh you know his ironic way to to tamp down usery and she's been floated for president by

01:08:13.560 different groups just bring it on isn't it that would be i would donate to her campaign me too

01:08:18.140 you're telling me she's got a shot how much can i donate that would be the easiest win ever but

01:08:22.960 my point is i think they recognize all right like we did hillary now we did kamala you know and i

01:08:27.260 think they're like yeah joe biden won because he he feigned normalcy like he you know he he assumed

01:08:37.040 the center now he wasn't he's the most radical left president that we've had to date but he he

01:08:43.220 pretended right it was moderate old joe uncle joe he's just vice president during a moderate time

01:08:48.180 right moderate he's gonna come in and he's gonna restore normalcy and you know and it's not red or

01:08:53.740 blue it's just america and now all that was a lie obviously like he was you know 50 percent of the

01:09:00.580 time he's a radical leftist the other 50 percent of the time he was you know dementia but sleep

01:09:05.500 asleep yeah but um but gavin i think um gav joe won and i think gavin uh absolutely can do what

01:09:14.920 joe did um substantially better with more charisma more uh i think he can be more convincing

01:09:23.280 um i'm not convinced but yeah i think and and here but here's the thing though the fact that

01:09:27.860 he's not an ideologue i don't think it would just be a show like yeah i think he's slimy yeah i think

01:09:32.020 he's he reminds me of an actor but really i mean that's what politicians in many ways are like he's

01:09:37.500 he is a true politician yeah like gavin newsom is a true politician and all the bad sense of

01:09:43.460 of the word and all the positive sense and so i think like he i think he over the next four years

01:09:48.940 can um can pivot and uh and say things that directly contradict everything all of his policies

01:09:55.440 that he's done before you know like he even told charlie kirk we're gonna see you know but like

01:09:59.220 uh he's like my my kid you know wanted to come today because he's a big fan of yours charlie

01:10:04.500 young man raising of course the bed of liberalism likes right of course and i was like but i didn't

01:10:11.560 let him because he can't miss school and charlie kirk did a great job of saying like what you let

01:10:15.840 kids uh you force kids to miss two years of school because of your policies what's a day you know

01:10:20.580 because of covid so so gavin newsom like his policies have been far leftist but because he's

01:10:26.480 not an ideologue i think he could turn on a dime and and genuinely mean it you know like like where

01:10:33.340 he's like yeah you know what this is too far and i've changed my mind on this and and and he really

01:10:37.600 has changed his mind and so and so but but my point is if that's the competition then it's really

01:10:43.880 just um it's a coin toss like because there isn't really any true if it was trump versus gavin and

01:10:52.340 and it's you know not gavin today but gavin after four years of going on rogan gavin two months ago

01:10:57.200 like okay yeah you know like like it's it's gavin after this full rebrand that i think we're going

01:11:03.340 to see a thorough deep four-year-long rebrand if it's that gavin and it was trump you know then

01:11:09.980 i think you could go either way because you know trump is a 1990s liberal democrat from new york

01:11:16.820 you know and um from the apprentice and pictures with hugh hefner you know and and gavin would

01:11:23.840 be you know they like they're both it's the same thing that the reason i'm hopeful though is i

01:11:30.060 think jd vance actually has some real convictions let me play this clip then we'll go to our second

01:11:35.260 break this is clip to nate and this is just hilarious because you've got two left uh the

01:11:40.380 hosts of the hill watch how they just don't get it would you do something like that would you say

01:11:44.960 no men and female sports well i think it's an issue of fairness i completely agree with you on

01:11:48.640 that so much to get to stephen i cannot let the moment pass without saying that there is nothing

01:11:57.180 inherently masculine or feminine about long-form podcasts.

01:12:01.820 I think we can do without that sort of absurdity from Charlie Kirk.

01:12:05.920 I think, you know, going into the wilderness,

01:12:08.400 Charlie is venturing boldly where no person has gone before

01:12:11.780 by talking in a nice, warm studio for a long period of time.

01:12:15.140 I could argue that we had a discussion last week

01:12:17.420 when I was on the show about J.D. Vance and masculinity,

01:12:20.800 what that means.

01:12:22.280 It's a good discussion, actually.

01:12:23.620 I can pick up on, like, generally what he's saying.

01:12:25.540 you know, you actually have to, you have to fight for your viewpoint. You have to be assertive

01:12:29.340 rather than accommodating. And I think the accommodating nature of so many democratic

01:12:36.320 politicians where they are thinking a thousand miles an hour about every possible group they

01:12:41.560 can offend with any one of their viewpoints makes it really, really hard to have any discourse. I

01:12:46.920 mean, when I am doing this show and I'm thinking through what I want to say, I'm thinking about a

01:12:50.640 couple of people in groups that I maybe don't want to offend unnecessarily, but not at the

01:12:55.400 extent of, I think, your average

01:12:57.260 Democratic politician who cannot

01:12:59.360 alienate anyone.

01:13:01.140 You have to be willing to do that.

01:13:03.300 You don't have to be willing to let it roll

01:13:05.120 and let it fly, for sure.

01:13:08.480 They refused to get it.

01:13:10.140 They just refused.

01:13:11.540 Alright, we'll go to our last commercial break and we'll get back

01:13:13.360 and we'll look at some more of Gavin's comments.

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01:15:32.240 clip. This is the one that got a lot of attention because it's a pretty radical step for Gavin

01:15:37.380 Newsom and a break with the rest of the party would you do something like that would you say 0.70

01:15:41.040 no men and female sports well I think it's an issue of fairness I completely agree with you 0.61

01:15:44.580 on that it is an issue of fairness so it's deeply would you speak out against this young man baby

01:15:49.360 Hernandez who right now is going to win the state championship in the long time I can see you

01:15:53.460 wrestling with it no I'm not wrestling I'm not relaxing with the fairness issue I totally agree

01:15:57.600 with you by the way as someone with four kids you've got two daughters right two daughters

01:16:00.960 and a wife that went God forbid to Stanford and played on the junior national soccer team and a

01:16:07.120 guy who got into college only because uh i was left-handed uh and could throw baseball a little

01:16:11.880 bit or hit the hit the ball for a little bit um so i revere sports and so the issue of fairness

01:16:18.140 is completely legit i don't know joel i'm more bearish on gavin newsom's chance because right

01:16:26.120 there he's caught any type of full endorsement like yeah i'll walk it back or whatever suicide

01:16:30.820 with the democrat party but he also looked pretty cheesy trying to deflect and pull a halfway

01:16:37.060 and i think it's going to be really hard the whole point of this episode they went whole hog they bet

01:16:43.140 the house on gender ideology and everything like that and you can see one of the best they got the

01:16:48.020 sharpest most well-spoken young good good track record of governor in california and he is stuck

01:16:55.020 between a rock and a hard place josh sapiro josh sapiro from pennsylvania yeah he's gonna be tough

01:17:00.960 though because he is jewish and the democrat party has largely been more pro-palestine that's

01:17:06.440 probably why kamala didn't actually pick him as a running mate i think that's why she picked their

01:17:10.280 own identity politics again destroying them no you're right the the identity politics makes it

01:17:16.160 nearly impossible it's because it's counterproductive but um like uh i i guess

01:17:22.140 my my thought is with gavin is not that um that he'll be able to move uh the democrat party my

01:17:30.280 thought is that it's uh i i just think that the whole democrat party like you're right like they

01:17:34.640 they bet the farm they lost it's over the whole thing i think it's just going to sink but the

01:17:41.380 guys who weren't ideological that never really were tied to it like they picked up the rhetoric

01:17:46.560 they looked like they were tied to it you know you know but um those guys will pivot like

01:17:53.040 my point is like how many people in our party were democrats two years ago

01:17:57.680 too many elon musk was voting democrat elon musk voted for joe biden

01:18:04.320 right and now he's like conservative extraordinaire you know and i'm i'm grateful for what he's doing

01:18:10.240 you know in some aspects but but i'm not i'm not going to um to be fooled by elon musk like

01:18:17.760 he's not a conservative he's he's doing some things for which i'm grateful um but that's just

01:18:23.880 that's because of how how desperate you know we've been but my point is like like it's the

01:18:29.660 same thing as trump like when he ran republican you know or you know and he so my my point is

01:18:36.020 it like i i think that what you'll probably see is um you know you've got all these guys i i think

01:18:45.120 that like if we just think like okay like we so handedly beat the democrats that now you know

01:18:50.160 they're they're forever gone i think um i think yeah you you beat that that party but what what

01:18:56.840 they'll do what they're already doing it's the same thing they did with joe biden when you know

01:19:00.540 he had the debate with trump and it became undeniable that that he you know was a walking

01:19:06.120 corpse you know and he couldn't he couldn't finish a sentence you know um what what did they do they

01:19:11.380 all pretended that they had no clue they all pretended to be surprised jake tapper everybody

01:19:17.180 you know in the media and all the other you know democrat politicians were like oh my goodness this

01:19:21.460 like who could have known you know and and they all pretended to be surprised that's that's what

01:19:26.460 they do they don't they they don't ever tie it to the party what they do is they um that somebody

01:19:32.280 will have to that they'll they'll pick someone to to atone for the sins like they'll they'll have a

01:19:38.340 scapegoat right they'll they'll put the albatross around somebody's neck um and and say like well

01:19:45.220 you know really i never thought these things you know i always thought it was kind of extreme you

01:19:49.900 know but let's play this clip then actually of him talking about that with latinx and pronouns

01:19:53.980 This is our last clip, Nate, because it illustrates exactly what you said.

01:19:57.520 The Latinx stuff that, by the way, not one person ever in my office has ever used the

01:20:01.800 word Latinx.

01:20:02.420 So could we finally put that to bed? 0.99

01:20:03.920 We agree. 1.00

01:20:04.500 No more Latinx, everybody. 1.00

01:20:06.260 Well, I just didn't even know where it came from.

01:20:07.640 I'm like, what are people talking about?

01:20:09.140 Was it the pronouns?

01:20:10.200 By the way, once, once, you'd think California invented the frame of the pronoun.

01:20:14.240 Now, I mean, literally, I had one meeting where people started going around the table

01:20:18.600 of pronouns.

01:20:19.160 One.

01:20:20.040 There's been a hell of a lot of days between 2020 and today.

01:20:22.980 and one meeting so it's not like this is i'm like what the hell is why is this the biggest issue

01:20:27.380 then you can just put up the screenshot nate this is the law that gavin newsom signed last year

01:20:34.400 that california banned school rules requiring parent notification of child pronoun change

01:20:40.960 right yeah yeah no he's he's full of it so there's no question about that um i i you you will not

01:20:48.700 catch me saying that no i know you're not saying that i mean when everybody was locked in their

01:20:53.100 homes he was at the the what is it the dirty the french laundry yes i wanted to call it the dirty

01:20:58.980 laundry journey one but two hundred dollar entrees yeah and so you know whining and dining rules for

01:21:04.380 thee but not for me um he's you know that's he's a politician for sure but um but my point is just

01:21:10.960 to say that uh that's that's kind of what politicians do if something utterly fails

01:21:16.380 and it's not just politicians like honestly i'm 38 years old i've been in enough conflicts at this

01:21:22.280 point that like every single time i've won an argument like uh this is sad you know because

01:21:31.080 most of the conflicts have been with you know brothers in christ we disagree on something you

01:21:34.880 know in a christian environment and yet even in those environments i've never really had the

01:21:40.900 experience where there was a deep rift, a deep disagreement. And then the other side came and

01:21:47.840 said, you know what? We realized that we were wrong and you were right. I've never had that

01:21:52.180 happen. But I have been right. I've been wrong plenty of times too. But every time I've been

01:21:57.100 right, and it got to the point of critical mass where it was undeniable. It was undeniable that

01:22:03.240 I was right. The other side has no out at that point. Like people come around. One way or another

01:22:08.920 they come around the question though is how do they come around like through the door of humility

01:22:13.840 do they actually acknowledge i was saying this and now i'm saying that you might notice that i

01:22:18.340 just did a 180 degree turn and it's quite obvious and the reason why and you know how do you account

01:22:24.060 for this well it's simply you account for it by saying i was wrong and i'm now repenting and

01:22:29.140 acknowledging that and now i'm taking this other position that has not been my experience with

01:22:34.540 others um it it has always been uh somehow they end up being right too with my position

01:22:43.300 like seriously it's it's uncanny nate nate am i am i uh am i telling the truth right now

01:22:49.940 can you can you testify to nathan's been with me for a long time he's watched it happen

01:22:56.900 where there's there could be a six-month argument and then all of a sudden we're all

01:23:02.140 on the same side on my side and yet yet but everyone's right you know nobody was wrong

01:23:09.840 and so um i just think that that's just human nature that's just the way i mean that's even

01:23:15.280 that that that that applies in my experience that applies with christians that applies with

01:23:20.980 with pastors for pete's sake so certainly it'll apply with you know democrat politicians from

01:23:26.900 california like i i think that what you'll see is it'll be 180 degrees like we just posted the

01:23:33.600 screenshot this was your policy this is what you did it directly you know contradicts what what

01:23:38.420 you just said with charlie kirk um when has that ever stopped a politician yeah when has that ever

01:23:44.380 that's not a hindrance if you know in some ways i think like it'll it it becomes a a strength of

01:23:50.980 like, look at how versatile he is, you know? And, and so I just think that, um, my, my point is that

01:23:58.380 like, you just, there, there are sinking ships and like, so it's like, it's like playing battleship

01:24:03.860 and you sink a ship and you think that you've won. Um, but all the pirates, you know, um,

01:24:10.920 from that ship, they just, they just transfer to another one. So I, I do believe that like,

01:24:17.780 we have thoroughly by the grace of god defeated um the ship that is uh the democrat platform of

01:24:26.460 of 2020 to 2024 i think that like that dog won't hunt it's done it's absolutely done um but all

01:24:35.220 the people who are on that ship um they're not done i think if we think that the people

01:24:41.120 like we beat the platform we beat we beat the platform we beat the policies um but if we think

01:24:48.020 that that the people are just going to go away that like there will there will be a few ideologues

01:24:53.560 because there have to be strategically speaking a few the captain will go down with the ship

01:24:58.200 and and what what will happen is that they'll find a few willing sacrificial lambs who are

01:25:05.940 willing to be the captain and wear the albatross as a badge of honor that's how they'll view it

01:25:11.180 like yes i really did believe that america could be better and and repent of its great racism and

01:25:17.700 blah blah blah blah blah and they'll go down with the ship and they'll be able to say see like we've

01:25:21.980 separated from them and they'll pay the cost but 90 percent of of of the democrat you know uh

01:25:29.980 representatives will be able to get off off the ship to live to fight another day half of them

01:25:35.020 will run as republicans the other half will run as the the new uh sensible democrat party like

01:25:41.620 well not 40 women were 38 right but the dynamic going on joel that we've alluded to a couple of

01:25:49.220 times already is that the republican party has moved to the left and now the democratic party

01:25:55.080 is going to have to that like gavin is going to have to move right to the right and so there's

01:25:59.680 two things that really will determine this one is if there's any ground that can be carved out

01:26:06.140 of separation this makes me very sad to say this can can gavin newsom occupy the middle at all

01:26:12.120 but still distinguish himself from the republicans right who made that strategic move and maybe he

01:26:17.560 might not be able to because the republican platform has been very pro-lgbtq all of those

01:26:23.080 things that's the thing is i think he can move to the right i absolutely believe that's possible

01:26:27.200 but you're absolutely right like the question is okay if you can move the right but then how

01:26:31.440 how do you still meaningfully distinguish yourself from so so and trump has taken and this is sad but

01:26:38.880 like trump has taken all the democrat things trump is trump is like gayness is mine i am donald trump 0.69

01:26:46.920 and i am pro-gay so like i mean he has owned gayness he has owned abortion he has owned 0.80

01:26:54.100 a ivf ivf he's owned all the all the crappiest things you could imagine to own he's he has owned 0.75

01:27:01.700 them so he's left really nothing for the democrat like they could assume the center right but then

01:27:06.320 they would just be um they would just be an inferior trump yep so the question is

01:27:12.240 would vance occupy that same position or the future republican nominee and

01:27:19.260 it'll really come down to whether the overton window can move enough right that we can run

01:27:25.960 someone who's more christian you're on it more conservative um and then unfortunately that comes

01:27:33.100 with if we move to the right then the democrats can jump right into the space that trump carved

01:27:37.680 out exactly there in the middle that's potentially more popular than a more correct position that's

01:27:41.960 exactly that's that's where i'm going and that's why it really is a white pill is um i so so the

01:27:48.460 black pill is like, no, I don't think we've seen the last of Gavin Newsom. And I think he

01:27:52.040 absolutely can rebrand and live to fight another day. So that's the black pill is 90% of the 0.82

01:27:57.800 Democrats that tried to lock you in your homes and give you a vaccine that was untested in this

01:28:03.160 long term effects and all this and, you know, killed your grandma and all these kinds of things.

01:28:07.360 They're not going to jail. They're not getting fined. They have complete.

01:28:10.960 Anthony Fauci is free. They're free and clear, living high on the hog, and they will receive

01:28:15.860 zero accountability for their crimes and i do believe that they have committed many of them

01:28:21.140 have committed legitimate crimes right so that's the black pill the black pill is they will live

01:28:24.980 to fight another day and uh and they're doing just fine the white pill though is that um they 0.58

01:28:30.480 will move to the right they will you know just uh rebrand uh turn on a dime and uh and assume

01:28:38.840 the center so here's the white pill is i don't think and so we we won't have a two-party system

01:28:43.700 anymore like and i'm not a huge fan of our two-party system but i absolutely think we will

01:28:48.540 continue to have a two-party system and so what it means is that in order to distinguish the two

01:28:53.540 parties if the left assumes this the donald trump center then it'll actually be uh the distinguishing

01:29:02.180 will be to the right of that um i think that um i think someone like gavin newsom right now i mean

01:29:09.000 that was his first attempt with charlie kirk right he's two months in to his rebrand that's

01:29:13.300 his first he's two hours in that interview into his rebrand you know and i mean honestly it's

01:29:18.300 pretty good for for he's getting all the flack from the left for even trying right but if you

01:29:23.480 think he's gonna just quit and go away no i think we're gonna see a lot more of this over the next

01:29:27.680 four years he's gonna get pretty good at it and by the time we come up to an election i think it's

01:29:33.120 entirely possible that gavin newsom will have moved so far to the right that um he'll be

01:29:39.280 somewhat indistinguishable from trump right so then the so then what's where's your second party

01:29:46.000 um so it's now maga and aoc no not a chance bernie sanders not a chance no it's maga and then it'll

01:29:54.340 be a vance and it'll be vance actually over these next four years i think gavin will get close to

01:29:59.800 Trump. Vance, I think, will begin slowly. He's very loyal to Trump and all that. But slowly over

01:30:05.000 time, I think Vance will actually distinguish himself from Trump distinctly, definitively to

01:30:10.660 Trump's right. And if it's not Vance, I think it'll be someone like that. And they'll probably,

01:30:16.020 you know, have a hard time in 2028. But as the years go on, and the Overton continues to push

01:30:22.540 and shift to the right, then that'll become a formidable party. And I think MAGA will be,

01:30:28.900 uh that'll that'll quickly i think become the new left wing in america yep which is awesome so

01:30:36.960 that's the white pill that i'm encouraged by right right the black pill was over the last 20 years

01:30:41.380 i mean like even the 2004 democratic party platform i was reading it we want to balance

01:30:45.640 the budget yep like that the the right mood i could fight a lot of positions like that

01:30:50.800 bad 20 years but then totally can go the other direction and so we got some questions to get

01:30:57.660 to but the last thing what does all this mean this is just a lot of partisan politics no it

01:31:02.180 means we have four years to push to the right to set the overton to the right to watch jd vance

01:31:10.160 as he observes as he interacts with and granted a lot of that's going to be elites and it's going

01:31:14.780 to be governors and senators and all of that but as much as you have influence especially locally

01:31:19.020 and especially at the state level pushing the overton window as far as it can go so by the time

01:31:24.620 we get to 2028 because again it's probably not going to be a radical leftist that wins the

01:31:29.700 nomination if it does i mean what a gift sent that is just gift wrapped all that but assuming

01:31:35.300 it's going to be a probably pretty moderate it's going to be on us to be a greater and greater

01:31:39.300 distinction so that when people look at them they say man that still represents the kind of lousy

01:31:44.780 politics the worst part we voted we voted for that at the time because it was the best we had

01:31:51.360 but now we have a better option right absolutely better yeah i i agree with you 100 one other

01:31:56.300 thought that i just randomly had but i think it's worth saying is um one issue this is this is not

01:32:02.060 a prescription this is a a um prediction prediction one one easy way right if you're a politician

01:32:10.160 and you've got your finger in the air and seeing which way the winds are blowing and you want to

01:32:13.920 distinguish yourself from the rest of the dc swamp you know and have your own distinguished unique

01:32:20.080 party uh but you know but like here's the catch-22 you can you can be unique and distinguished

01:32:26.500 but you'll probably also be unpopular because you're you're a rarity you're a novelty you know

01:32:31.900 you're outside like MAGA is the thing right now it is the thing and so to to step to the left or

01:32:37.320 to the right of MAGA puts you in the minority you know so that so that's the catch-22 the downside

01:32:42.340 you become a minority and so your chances of winning might be slim uh the upside is well you're

01:32:48.200 you've you've got some kind of issue that makes you distinct and causes you to stand out so it's

01:32:52.560 like you get visibility but not popularity that's the catch-22 so how could you accomplish you know

01:32:58.420 both how could you distinguish yourself from trump from mega and from all the rest of dc for that

01:33:04.740 matter from virtually you know 99.9 percent of politicians in america and yet also in terms of

01:33:13.100 the base of america the voters the constituents um find an issue that's becoming rapidly popular

01:33:20.260 that the majority of americans might side with you on i already know what is it israel israel

01:33:26.280 yep being against israel thomas massey is one of the most it's that's his approval rating is great

01:33:33.260 and he's loved by the entire nation and he's very against israel's influence in our government

01:33:37.160 Anybody who comes in and runs with the best of MAGA, but the distinguishing quality being no more greatest ally, that person will win in the landslide. 0.53

01:33:49.660 Not today they won't, but in a couple years they will.

01:33:52.000 In four years they will.

01:33:53.140 The noticing, dear brothers and sisters, is not going away.

01:33:57.720 Right.

01:33:57.900 You are talking about one of the quickest phenomenons that I've witnessed going mainstream, from Joe Rogan and Ian Carroll to Martyr Maid and Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens.

01:34:12.020 And, I mean, the list goes on and on and on and on.

01:34:15.580 And if you think, yep, and that's it, it's done now.

01:34:19.980 Support for Israel will go back up to 70% in no time.

01:34:22.860 So here's my takeaway, Joel. 0.99

01:34:24.440 What you're saying is the disputes have been right.

01:34:26.860 what i'm saying is i'm gonna run the disputes have been right the whole time and we are just

01:34:32.140 part of the great plan to at the end have the whole world turn against israel i guess some

01:34:38.140 would take that interpretation some probably would yeah i love it so you're saying there's

01:34:42.820 a chance there's a state rep in michigan josh shriver yeah the dude was hardcore right wing

01:34:47.220 and he went back and he won his re-election in a landslide yeah the dude was like gay marriage

01:34:52.260 should be illegal and this isn't even controversial he voted against like very basic like honoring

01:34:57.620 black history month stuff like that i don't remember exactly what was voted against it super

01:35:01.420 controversial everyone hated him but he didn't get popularity necessarily he got visibility he got

01:35:07.020 loyalty because his constituents said i see my representative up there and i kind of don't like

01:35:11.660 these things either and he's the one he literally said he's like my goal is that there'll be no one

01:35:15.520 that governs to the right of me guys he won like the time to push the overton is right right now

01:35:21.040 now responsibly biblically but as far as you can drive us going viral and it's and it's hate viral

01:35:28.480 it's not popularity viral and they see us going viral every single week and they're like like

01:35:33.960 those people you know the only people even the only way they even get views is just you know

01:35:38.820 people making fun of them you know what like and that's what a lot of our you know our detractors

01:35:43.120 genuinely think what they don't realize is that there is a growing sizable swath of the population

01:35:51.020 that is quiet because they know that right now like if you stick your your head out beyond the

01:35:57.940 overton window then it is suicide for example if you're like a ceo or something and you have to do

01:36:02.520 that as a ceo right an employee but i'm talking about powerful people like ceos yeah some of them

01:36:07.900 are ceos of multiple companies for that matter i'm talking about powerful rich influential people

01:36:15.000 who will not say a word publicly because they know they know but privately privately these guys

01:36:26.040 they will back you they will support you they'll do it quietly they'll do it subtly but um but they

01:36:35.140 like if you just think that oh well this is where normies are because this is what i'm seeing

01:36:39.840 on social media. This is what's being said publicly. This is what's being said out loud.

01:36:44.940 And guys who are outside, beyond the Overton window, they may get a lot of views, but it's

01:36:51.740 all hate watching and nobody takes them seriously and they're just a joke and nobody agrees with

01:36:56.740 them. I think both statements are true. X is real life and X is also not real life. And what I'm

01:37:06.060 speaking to right now is the the latter portion of that um there's a sense in which social media

01:37:10.680 it really is real life it represents real people um but there also is a very real sense in which

01:37:15.520 it's not real life there are plenty of real people with real influence who um they're just

01:37:23.500 they're not they're not podcasters they're not political pundits they're they're doing

01:37:27.380 there's there's all the different pieces on the chessboard not everybody's the same not everybody

01:37:31.760 has the same purpose some are going to be outspoken and they're going to be pushing

01:37:35.540 the Overton window a little bit at a time. Others are not going to be doing anything like that.

01:37:40.960 They're going to be very quiet. They're going to maintain a position in the public square of

01:37:46.360 prestige and influence and wealth, but they will be silently, quietly backing and funding those

01:37:54.800 who are pushing the Overton because they agree with us. They actually agree with us. They want

01:37:59.120 to see a country that's Christian. They want to see a country that's conservative. They want to

01:38:03.540 see a country uh with borders that's not uh where they're they're white men who have white wives

01:38:10.360 and white daughters and don't want to see them replaced and want them to have a future and uh

01:38:17.160 and they're not going to say what i just said from a microphone because they are worth 20 million

01:38:22.920 dollars and and own multiple companies that have all these different clientele that don't

01:38:28.500 necessarily share their views and they're wise and they're calculated and they're careful

01:38:31.900 um but they absolutely have an ambition and a goal and a set of convictions and it aligns

01:38:38.020 with us and um and people like us and they they will come to bat when it counts so all that being

01:38:46.600 said yeah i think i actually think that um it's not just that maga and this is i think again a

01:38:52.420 white pill it's very encouraging we should be encouraged by it i don't think that um it's like

01:38:57.020 MAGA is, what we're witnessing isn't just that MAGA is the new GOP.

01:39:02.140 They've, you know, they've thoroughly beat the neocons.

01:39:04.660 That is undeniable.

01:39:06.480 That's certainly true.

01:39:07.820 But they've also so sufficiently and thoroughly and in a humiliating fashion beat the Democrats

01:39:15.500 that MAGA is kind of, in a sense, it's like, that's all there is.

01:39:21.660 and there's really nothing like there's nothing other than just hopium and wishing on the behalf

01:39:27.500 of liberals to suggest that uh that the next the democrats uh are done and the the neocons you know

01:39:36.380 gop is done it's just maga and there's nothing that that um that guarantees or or asserts that

01:39:43.220 that the that the next party the second party has to be to the left of maga it could just as easily

01:39:49.140 be to the right and trends suggest it will and trends suggest it will be to the right of maga

01:39:54.700 and one way to be to the right of maga and and have a lot of the maga glory and all the best

01:40:02.180 of maga because there are a lot of good things that we that we appreciate and support but to

01:40:06.420 still be somehow clearly distinct um is is the issue of israel yeah like it's like the meme with

01:40:16.840 the guy who's got a whiteboard and he's standing before you know um the all the employees and he's

01:40:21.820 pitching and probably he's like he's like i feel like that guy right now i'm like guys trump but

01:40:27.500 without the zionism all in it's like take my money yeah are you kidding me i think a lot of people

01:40:35.200 would come out for that all right got some super chats go ahead michael uh cole billiott thank you

01:40:41.360 very much 499 super chat cole says this thoughts on the right uh lobbying groups think tanks etc

01:40:48.220 funding subverts on the left like they do for us article article coming out soon on political

01:40:54.100 christiana i think uh if you have the wherewithal and the means and you wanted to do something like

01:40:58.880 that more power to you um let's we do need right strategic there's a lot of podcasts and we do we

01:41:05.180 do need um like we actually do need some uh thoughtful academics writing law what he's saying

01:41:12.060 though is he's saying should the right fund the crazy leftists so that there's a reaction against

01:41:19.100 the left i see like getting in and being like we can't abandon these identity policies

01:41:24.240 let me say this way if kamala harris was 200 away from winning the primary i would send 400 that's

01:41:32.480 right you mean the next go around yes the next go around if she almost captures it again and and

01:41:38.380 she she writes and she says i am 200 away from our fundraising goal it's within reach i'm whipping

01:41:43.540 out that american express and i'm saying what do you need from me to be the nominee for the

01:41:48.440 democratic party platform yeah i think money's too tight right now you necessarily do that but

01:41:53.260 if there was very well funded you funded a lot of good research good writing good all of that

01:41:58.080 um yeah it'd be interesting to see if you could bankroll yeah i don't think there's anything

01:42:02.540 wrong with that but i agree with what you just said i think right now like economically money

01:42:06.980 money is it's it's more dire to uh to set up um true like new institutions that are truly on the

01:42:13.920 right what we forget is that a lot of them reason that the left had money to do that sort of thing

01:42:18.640 was that cycle through usa id going through ukraine going back into democratic think tanks so

01:42:25.080 another white pill that i even forgot to mention act blue is a huge democrat donor apparatus like

01:42:31.920 for just donations it's not necessarily funded by the government they're in disarray seven other

01:42:36.180 board members have resigned none of them will go on the record as stating why and it's very likely

01:42:40.900 divisions over exactly what we're talking about now what's the future of the country future of

01:42:45.760 our party who's going to run what do we have left how do we save face which that's an engine because

01:42:52.720 money drives a lot of this that is an engine that is on its last leg yep which is going to be huge

01:42:58.460 in three years to have billions and billions of dollars not available not well routed not sourced

01:43:04.440 not tied into the grassroots yep um acts of boniface super chat 499 he says thank you very

01:43:13.700 much acts um yes matthew 5 13 gives a glimpse of what is to come for the woke evangelical churches

01:43:20.840 i think that's the millstone burst right yeah i think so we will take their buildings and they

01:43:26.200 will be evicted hopefully the main line at least i don't want their their um sheet metal buildings

01:43:32.440 we already got one of those right right right yeah it's it is funny like uh architecture like

01:43:40.920 absolutely um that there's a theological premise to you know the transcendence of god with vaulted

01:43:46.060 ceilings you know and natural light coming through stained glasses to speak to you know the

01:43:49.780 transcendence and all the beauty of god and um i love it and uh and protestants should uh should

01:43:56.440 care about architecture but it's it's always funny to me when you know people are like

01:43:59.980 you know like uh well why don't why don't you guys have like a really nice building it's like

01:44:04.060 our church is four years old and we don't and we don't have 10 million dollars right like like i

01:44:09.600 protestants should care more but i think there's a certain point where people like they they act as

01:44:15.500 though like it's it's a preference it's like you guys could have had a a crystal cathedral

01:44:21.800 but by sheer preference and you chose a strip mall it's like no my brother in christ that's right

01:44:29.020 that was not my preference uh that's just that's what the budget allowed for well and those huge

01:44:33.140 cathedrals in europe i'm not saying every christian church has to be notre dame or

01:44:37.680 sagrada familia or something like that but those were multiple century projects like entire

01:44:42.860 generations three generations of men would work on different stages of that building right yeah

01:44:47.080 yep okay uh jeff halfley thanks very much 199 and i think a couple here from jeff so we'll

01:44:55.180 we'll hit his he says uh to the privileged equality seems like prejudice what he clarified

01:45:00.220 later saying that um the privileged in our time have been the the quote-unquote minority the

01:45:05.560 oppressed minorities and now to insist on any sort of equality uh in the system to them seems

01:45:11.460 like there's now prejudice right um 499 also he says have you read who is my neighbor the

01:45:16.920 encyclopedia of natural relations from western front books is that thomas acorn yes his name

01:45:23.420 is not technically on it but um that is very ambitious of jeff to ask if i've read it because

01:45:27.420 it is like 650 pages in tiny print so of course he's right the answer being obviously no i have

01:45:33.860 it i bought it uh it's awesome it's a great yeah it's literally like it's not a like it's not a

01:45:38.920 novel it's not like the case for christian nationalism it's quotes upon quotes upon quotes

01:45:42.740 from all sorts of church fathers all sorts of philosophers for about 2 000 years in the west

01:45:48.220 and how they thought about family and race and nation i mean some of them from like leftists

01:45:52.540 like this is not just a compendium of just the most extreme guys you could find this is kind of

01:45:57.060 showing how did aristotle how did plato how did calvin how did luther how did aquinas how did

01:46:01.280 all these different guys think about the relation of man to family to nation to race all of that so

01:46:06.020 I recommend it.

01:46:07.140 I've started reading it.

01:46:08.060 Great resource.

01:46:09.480 Michael, $5 super chat.

01:46:11.080 Thanks, Michael.

01:46:11.900 He says, which study Bibles, if any, do you recommend with 0% dispensationalism included?

01:46:18.640 Matthew Henry's is now out of print, from my understanding.

01:46:23.300 What's that?

01:46:23.920 Scofield?

01:46:24.460 I was about to say that. 0.88

01:46:25.860 Sorry.

01:46:26.200 You want the Scofield study Bible, my brother.

01:46:30.560 I don't know.

01:46:32.560 I have a church history study Bible.

01:46:34.720 that it's not a study bible where it'll give you like an overview of covenant theology

01:46:38.340 but for every section it has is quotes from typically puritans reformers in the early church

01:46:43.020 so you're not you're not at all getting darby or anything in there but you'll get

01:46:46.920 i almost said aristotle but you're not getting aristotle but you would get augustine and you

01:46:51.420 would get uh you get a lot of guys down through the middle ages that sounds good church history

01:46:55.760 study bible in the esv the reformation study bible sprawl was the lead editor he wasn't

01:47:01.900 dispensational right um i have a copy and i haven't noticed anything dispensational in it um okay this

01:47:09.140 is from cole billiott he did a super chat why he's just following up oh follow up cole billiott

01:47:15.820 uh super chat ten dollars thanks cole he says mike love you oh i see but you misunderstood the

01:47:21.360 angle fund left is to push more christian values use our money to replace the computer chip in the

01:47:27.600 back of their head get them promoting not necessarily obviously christian values but

01:47:34.220 like hey we'll find your podcast that's failing because your audience is lost

01:47:38.460 and um but you're going to push our agenda now that they push more i like that natural yeah

01:47:44.480 that's that's maybe possible yeah yeah especially like the anti-zionism piece like uh propping up

01:47:52.480 those on the left that would be negative towards the money that we send to israel more isolationist

01:47:57.260 kind of saying like this is the guy to listen to even though you won't vote for him you wouldn't

01:48:01.060 fund him you wouldn't do all that positioning them maybe as the left saying this guy who's

01:48:06.140 relatively friendly to our positions still wouldn't vote for him this is the voice of the

01:48:10.120 left and all of you clamoring for the spotlight well because so much of what's difficult about

01:48:14.640 the situation that we're in maybe it's just human nature during all time is

01:48:19.360 the argument doesn't always win the day it's and it's not even always the emotion that wins the

01:48:26.500 day sometimes it's just i've listened to that guy for three years and now he's changed what he's

01:48:32.700 saying and i just continue to listen to him right no yeah there is something to be said for i mean

01:48:39.140 especially when social media was still new like people would build up uh facebook pages and then

01:48:45.140 just sell them right and people would buy them like so it's like somebody had a like a instagram

01:48:50.060 you know that's all about you know uh dog walking and then and then a like a corporate business you

01:48:57.300 know with 200 000 followers and a corporate business uh that sales you know is selling like

01:49:02.980 car tires it has nothing to do with would buy it and they would keep up the page right because the

01:49:09.220 followers like dog walking you know so it's like dog walking post dog walking and they would hire

01:49:13.160 somebody you know to you know to do this keep up the dog walking post you know do seven of those

01:49:18.000 post every single week. And then, you know, once a week, we're going to do like a post about

01:49:22.400 our, our tire company, you know? And so, um, that's absolutely a, I'm not even, I'm not saying

01:49:28.860 that it's inherently right or wrong, but, uh, not speaking to the moral capacity, but, um,

01:49:33.720 in terms of strategic effectiveness, that, that is a tried and true method. And so I think you

01:49:39.540 definitely will see, um, because easier to start with critical mass than to start from scratch,

01:49:44.880 especially now because there's so much competition like your grandma probably has a podcast right

01:49:49.340 everybody everybody has a podcast you know like i think i said this on a previous episode but um

01:49:54.900 remember uh raymond from everybody loves raymond he did like uh he did like a stand-up uh comedy

01:50:03.000 show on netflix a year ago or something like that and there was one bit that he had uh where he was

01:50:08.800 looking at the audience and he said now look i can tell you a few things from having my own show

01:50:12.960 and he said now when you get your show and the crowd starts laughing you know and he looks at

01:50:17.460 me he's like no no no trust me you all get a show everybody in america gets a show now

01:50:22.260 and and he had a point you know it's just like every everybody has a show you know and and uh

01:50:28.140 everybody has a podcast everybody has a blog everybody has you know and everything and so um

01:50:34.040 so there's a lot of competition part of that is because everybody's opinionated part of it is

01:50:38.360 just you know following the trends and then part of it is just because of the advancements um in

01:50:42.780 innovation with technology right like one of the reasons why things were more scarce and there was

01:50:47.280 less competition is you know like especially with media early on especially with video was like i

01:50:52.640 you know i still remember within my lifetime as a kid where like our family didn't have a video

01:50:56.940 camera it was only it was only a few of our friends that had a video camera and it's like

01:51:01.340 you know it was this big honking you know 50 pound piece of machinery right you know and you'd have

01:51:07.120 to take out like you know a second mortgage on the house to have one right you know it was like

01:51:10.720 ten thousand dollar piece of equipment and now everybody you know pays 20 bucks a month for an

01:51:15.600 iphone 1715 and it has like 48 different cameras on the back of it you know and shoots in 4k and

01:51:25.040 i don't know whatever and so so for like a couple hundred bucks you could actually have decent sound

01:51:32.120 decent definitely video sound might cost a little bit more but even like you can get the you know

01:51:37.460 the shore mic like that that's the thing you look at it's like joe rogan has this podcast is the

01:51:42.060 biggest thing in the world and is pulling in millions and millions of dollars and so he's

01:51:46.120 going to have you know uh multi trillion dollar equipment no he's got the same microphone i mean

01:51:51.420 these are nice mics but they're not but it's a 400 mic and it's just because technology is so

01:51:57.820 advanced and then you throw into the equation ai you know that you can which is filling the

01:52:02.400 internet with a lot of slop a lot of slop but if somebody's intentional and uses it as a

01:52:07.340 tool instead of just handing it over and saying ai you know make me you know seven clips you know

01:52:12.400 but like you get ai to make those clips and you go back and and so and then everybody's also tech

01:52:16.780 savvy so not just that technology technology is advanced and and it's fairly cheap but then a lot

01:52:22.300 of people have the know-how now especially gen z as they come up so you're going to be competing

01:52:26.980 if you enter into you know the podcast realm you're going to be competing with you know uh

01:52:32.680 everyone you know so all that being said um there but there's something to be said like there's

01:52:38.760 there's a certain critical mass where you know like you call it early adopters that's what it

01:52:43.140 is so it's like why is joe rogan's podcast so big part of it is because he was a tv host for

01:52:48.280 fear factor and part of it is because he was successful with mma you know and and like he

01:52:52.860 already had some credibility he already had name recognition so i'm not discounting any of that

01:52:57.620 but there's also the factor he was an early adopter he was an early podcaster right and so

01:53:03.960 like guys on youtube you already mentioned you know tim pool right like tim pool you know some

01:53:08.160 of this i'm actually even you know basing off of something i heard him say not too long ago but

01:53:12.440 he said that um he said that it was a markable difference that he noticed in it right around

01:53:18.340 like 2018 to 2020 where all of a sudden he's like dude we could just put things out on youtube and

01:53:24.920 it would just fly like i remember when facebook radically shifted and changed its algorithm to

01:53:30.280 where like if you wanted to be seen you could have 50 000 followers on facebook and you could

01:53:34.720 do a post and there was a time where like if if you followed the page then you saw the posts

01:53:40.240 right it wasn't until later with social media that it became bifurcated it was like well

01:53:44.340 subscribing you could subscribe on youtube to a channel and never see a piece of their content

01:53:48.900 for six months and so what do we always have to say now we'll also click the bell to notify you

01:53:54.180 know that tells youtube that you actually want to see our content and it was the same kind of thing

01:53:58.060 with facebook there was a time where it's like if you had 50 000 followers that was really valuable

01:54:02.360 because it meant anything you said and posted was going to be seen by 50 000 people and then i

01:54:07.600 remember when it shifted and got to the point like 2015 16 uh where you could have 50 000 followers

01:54:13.880 but you post something it could literally i'm not talking about likes i'm talking about views it was

01:54:18.340 say 250 views yeah 250 views it's i have 50 000 followers what do you mean 250 views and it's just

01:54:25.160 because everybody got on facebook and a bunch of companies and corporate guys got on facebook and

01:54:29.420 so it just becomes a cesspool of schlop right so well algorithmically it targeted the content

01:54:35.120 people were spending the most time with that's even how x is now people can have tens of thousands

01:54:39.000 of followers but people never engage and they put like gospel coalition they'll put out a video

01:54:43.320 nobody's watching it nobody's sharing it nobody's commenting suppress suppress suppress give the

01:54:48.240 people so there's opportunity for new creators and new influencers and new podcasts and new

01:54:53.500 shows there is opportunity i'm not saying you know pack it up boys it's over uh but it is a whole new

01:54:58.620 world um like what we're doing like we are putting out three live streams every single week with a

01:55:05.180 friday special with good cameras good equipment in a in a nicely organized and decorated studio

01:55:12.140 uh nathan is really solid with tech you know like we're bringing charts every single day and

01:55:19.100 statistics i mean charts guys charts literally saved donald trump's life it's a big deal and so

01:55:22.940 like we're i mean you know good content all these kinds and obviously i'm biased but like it's it's

01:55:27.220 not just you know your your webcam you know at the top of your laptop like like we're doing

01:55:32.380 some quality shows and yet we we have hit uh in many ways like like there you know like we've just

01:55:38.820 you hit resistance you know like where it's like man we're just kind of hovering around the same

01:55:43.360 level of subscribers for a while like like i remember like blasting up and then you just kind

01:55:48.160 of it's like you hit a wall and part of that is because uh the algorithms uh continue to change

01:55:54.600 and get more tight and more narrow um uh the market gets flooded with you know everybody else

01:56:01.720 says you know what i'm gonna start a podcast you know and that's fine it's fair game so all that

01:56:06.600 being said my point is um to to purchase or to fund you know to invest into someone who already

01:56:13.660 has critical mass some of these leftist you know podcasters and stuff like that that were early

01:56:18.580 adopters that already have you know a million followers you know plus and and actually and

01:56:24.800 were able to kind of assume the center and plant a flag on the hill before the game became difficult

01:56:31.660 just simply because of timing they were just they were early adopters um it it in many ways it's

01:56:37.900 far easier to say hey we'll give you you know 250 grand um but i want to come on the show

01:56:45.100 or this you know one of my guys is going to come on the show you know once a quarter you know to

01:56:50.260 talk about this and i'd like to see you you know start to push into this topic a little bit more

01:56:55.980 that's way easier than than just starting from scratch yep yep okay um two more from jeff and

01:57:05.980 then it looks like a little more from belushi for viola uh yep jeff halfley said this 499 thank you

01:57:13.160 very much if democrats had stayed a new deal coalition party that was masculine and culturally

01:57:17.880 conservative they would still be the dominant party in america yeah honestly if if it was not

01:57:22.720 hillary clinton she ran a very pro-lgbtq campaign if it was a man and they had held back the 0.55

01:57:28.320 wokeness a little bit they probably would still be in effect because they would have won against

01:57:32.060 trump in 2016 yep the it's like a like star wars like a new hope 2016 the empire strikes back

01:57:38.400 2020 the return of the dawn 2024 return of the jedi jeff halfley do you like your winner take

01:57:44.720 all or proportional representation and then second question your ideal number of parties

01:57:49.920 are party factions and they're leaders and platforms i the european coalition parties

01:57:57.600 where there's like five different parties and the two that get the most that are most to one side

01:58:02.160 form a coalition government those i think are even worse for gridlock to be honest like our

01:58:06.960 two-party system is terrible as it is but i don't think adding more in most scenarios helps

01:58:13.720 I wouldn't mind.

01:58:14.760 What's that voting system?

01:58:17.220 It's rank choice voting.

01:58:19.260 Yep.

01:58:19.440 I think that would possibly help more conservative people win or at least get more name recognition.

01:58:29.320 Yeah, I'm not a big, I don't know what to do.

01:58:31.380 The founding fathers, even the first generation, warned about the two-party system strongly.

01:58:37.600 They said, don't go into it.

01:58:39.560 Even though they were already two parties, it was the Federalists and the Anti-Federalists from the beginning.

01:58:43.200 was the you know the whigs and the um tories from the beginning but um i don't know yeah

01:58:50.160 i don't want what europe has that's for sure i don't see our system no it's not going to

01:58:54.400 even the architecture of the capitol building is built around two parties there's two cloak rooms

01:59:00.000 there's two entrances there's the two halves like even when when someone's a third party or green

01:59:05.040 party or something like that independent they they have to put them in with one of the two major

01:59:08.720 parties for their location right there's a great system called the monarchy that evades all of that

01:59:15.040 yeah uh super chat two dollars from belushi uh proviolan he says what's the natural law view

01:59:23.460 of neutrality natural law view of neutrality well because we say neutrality is a myth

01:59:29.020 yeah neutrality presupposition opposition that would say there are no facts that man doesn't

01:59:34.360 interpret from his pre-existing kind of orientation or worldview if you want to use that term and so

01:59:40.660 because of that because the mind of the natural man is hostile to god he doesn't approach any

01:59:45.380 fact neutrally so he looks at biology and he says look what evolution did because he's hostile to

01:59:50.260 god he doesn't want to acknowledge his lordship so i guess he's kind of asking if you would not

01:59:54.080 be presuppositional and not be theonomic who would take the common kingdom and the natural law and

01:59:58.980 more classical apologetics view what would be the view of neutrality does neutrality exist in that

02:00:04.520 system would you take the same moniker that's a good question that is a good question i actually

02:00:09.580 yeah i'm like i want to go home and research that i don't have a good answer for that yep

02:00:13.260 i'm not sure for me personally it it's not a hindrance because in that sense i've remained

02:00:20.560 presuppositional like i think i said a few weeks ago um for me presuppositionalism even in you know

02:00:28.200 like listening to you know og guys like bonson um you know or or van till um for me presuppositionalism

02:00:37.780 it never meant that you can't appeal to nature or to logic or to like there are laws outside of the

02:00:46.000 scripture right sola scriptura even just like a lot of this comes down to the solas and as a

02:00:50.500 protestant sola scriptura never meant that scripture was the only authority it just means

02:00:54.840 it's the only infallible authority. And of all these other authorities, number one, they're

02:00:59.620 fallible, they can err. And number two, they're subordinates. So scripture is the highest and

02:01:03.820 it's the only infallible authority. And it's the same kind of concept for me applied to

02:01:08.380 how far I take my presuppositionalism. Meaning that for me to be presuppositional is in answering

02:01:17.900 the question of what comes first, the chicken or the egg? That if the chicken, in this analogy,

02:01:24.840 represents the Bible, well, then it's answering the chicken every time. So for me, I would appeal 0.95

02:01:30.460 to natural law. I would appeal to the laws of logic. I would appeal to experience. I would

02:01:34.600 appeal to people's emotions and try to exercise the pathos, passions, and all this storytelling.

02:01:41.820 Stories are powerful. We need stories on the right. It can't just be charts and stats. It also has to

02:01:47.140 be stories and examples and compelling narratives and all these kinds of things, but all of them

02:01:53.560 are subordinate to the Word of God. So for me, what it means to be presuppositional is

02:01:57.300 that I believe that this particular story is good, true, and beautiful because I believe that it

02:02:03.740 accurately embodies the goodness and trueness and beauty that comes from the Bible. Or I'm

02:02:11.660 appealing to nature, but I'm appealing to nature as an authority. It is an authority. But I'm

02:02:17.300 trusting in my five senses and observation, the scientific method, and what I can, you know,

02:02:23.060 what I can observe in nature because at the end of the day, the Bible tells me that nature is not

02:02:30.800 happenstance. It's not chaotic or random or arbitrary, but it was actually orderly fashioned

02:02:37.140 and designed by an intelligent creator, the triune God. And so it's because the Bible tells me so,

02:02:43.200 because what the Bible tells me about the created order, that I value natural law.

02:02:50.500 Like, I think that's what kind of won me over from, you know, and this isn't all presuppositional guys by any stretch.

02:02:58.540 There's some really good presuppositional guys that I still really appreciate.

02:03:02.160 But some of them, you know, some of them, I think, kind of degraded to the point where it's like every argument is basically just reciting Romans chapter 1.

02:03:11.140 You know, Romans 1.

02:03:11.880 Asking by what standard do you make this assertion?

02:03:14.100 Yeah, by what standard, by what standard, by what standard.

02:03:16.160 But, you know, and it's like, but I don't think that presuppositionalism necessitates that.

02:03:24.280 I think it can include that and it can lead to that, but not by necessity.

02:03:29.020 And so for me, I'm presuppositional in the sense that I'm going to appeal to nature as

02:03:35.740 an authority, but I'm going to do so ultimately because the Bible tells me that God made the

02:03:43.340 world, and he made it a certain way, and that he has revealed himself by what he has made.

02:03:49.340 And so I'm not going to just recite scripture. I'm not going to do anything less than reciting

02:03:55.080 scripture, but I'm going to do more. I'm going to appeal to logic. I'm going to appeal to story.

02:03:59.720 I'm going to appeal to nature and say, these things are plain for all to see. God has made

02:04:04.980 these things manifest, and he made you in his image. And you're degraded by sin. You're totally

02:04:11.000 depraved apart from salvation in christ but you're still a rational being and i'm going to appeal to 0.79

02:04:16.920 you as a rational being and i'm going to count on you being able just like me being able to observe

02:04:24.340 things in nature and i know that because of sin because of your total depravity you're going to

02:04:29.560 want to suppress those things and deeds of unrighteousness and so i'm aware of that but i'm

02:04:34.180 still going to present to you the arguments i'm still going to try to appeal to you until when

02:04:38.640 Because here's the thing, I'm not going to be able to use natural arguments to get you to submit your life to Christ.

02:04:46.460 That's going to have to be the Holy Spirit.

02:04:48.380 That requires regeneration.

02:04:50.280 Your total depravity will, 10 out of 10 times, inhibit you from coming to Christ unless Christ first seeks you.

02:04:57.920 That I absolutely believe, 100%.

02:05:00.560 The Bible's clear about that.

02:05:02.380 But here's the thing, even as fallen man, fallen man doesn't seek for God.

02:05:07.480 Romans 3, right? No one seeks for God. There are throats, there are open graves. But even fallen

02:05:14.440 man still has some ambitions that align with the Christians. So like when Jesus says, when he's 0.89

02:05:22.180 encouraging his disciples to appeal to God as a heavenly father to ask for the things that they

02:05:28.620 need, he says, which of you, if your son asked for a fish, would give him a scorpion or a serpent?

02:05:35.320 or if he asked for a loaf of bread, would give him a stone, a rock, and then he follows it up

02:05:39.880 with a total depravity, you know, tip of the hat. If you then, being evil, know how, he doesn't say,

02:05:47.200 and you wouldn't do this, you would give your child food instead of a rock or a scorpion because

02:05:51.940 you're Christians and regenerate and no longer totally depraved. That's not what Jesus says.

02:05:56.600 He says, no, if you, being evil, if even totally depraved people still have a vested interest in

02:06:03.320 the in the preservation of their posterity then then how much more is an argument from the lesser

02:06:09.280 to the greater but in the lesser evil people totally depraved apart from christ there's still

02:06:14.020 something to argue from there's still something there and so jesus argues from the lesser to the

02:06:17.680 greater now if you as evil fathers know how to give good gifts to your children how much more

02:06:22.920 will your heavenly father give the holy spirit to those who ask and so my point is especially

02:06:28.280 in the realm of the political.

02:06:30.520 In the realm of the political,

02:06:32.280 that's precisely why I believe

02:06:34.520 that we can be co-belligerents

02:06:36.080 on a great many issues,

02:06:37.240 not on everything,

02:06:38.040 but on a great many issues.

02:06:40.080 We can say, like Elon Musk,

02:06:41.760 I believe, you know,

02:06:43.020 I'm not excited about this.

02:06:44.360 I don't wish this for him.

02:06:45.380 I've prayed for him personally

02:06:46.680 in my prayer life.

02:06:47.360 God, please save Elon

02:06:48.480 and please help him not to put,

02:06:50.460 you know, microchips in everybody's head.

02:06:52.300 Save Elon from himself

02:06:53.980 and also save us from Elon.

02:06:56.140 But, you know, 0.73

02:06:56.840 but I want him to be a Christian.

02:06:58.280 And I prayed for him. 1.00

02:06:58.920 So it brings me no joy in saying what I'm about to say. 0.95

02:07:01.160 But as it currently stands, as far as I can tell, the dude is for sure going to hell. 0.93

02:07:06.500 I think the Babylon Bee, unfortunately, was not successful in their lousy, you know, gospel evangelistic attempt. 0.94

02:07:13.300 You know, when they made a joke out of evangelism, that dude is not a Christian. 0.96

02:07:17.800 He's not a Christian.

02:07:18.640 However, you know what, Elon, as you then being evil know how to give good gifts? 0.84

02:07:23.260 You know what Elon still gets as a totally depraved, hell-bound reprobate?

02:07:28.280 um he knows that uh extinction of the human population maybe isn't a good thing

02:07:33.240 who would have thought right so like so so i can appeal to that with elon and it and i don't even

02:07:40.540 have to have a bible verse like now for me ultimately the bible is my reasoning that's why

02:07:46.080 i'm doing everything that i'm doing and it's the highest authority and it's the truth it's it's

02:07:50.600 when you get to the bottom it's like well because nature says so okay and but how can you trust

02:07:54.640 nature because my five senses are reliable and how can you show that because a rational mind

02:07:58.820 and how because god because god that's what makes me still presuppositional i believe is because

02:08:03.760 my final answer the ultimate answer the bottom the foundation under it all is because the bible

02:08:09.640 told me so the bible because the bible says so and in that sense um and i'm convinced that that's

02:08:15.080 all that's really required ultimately in the truest sense um to be presuppositional um i don't

02:08:20.560 think that a lot of the modern presuppositional arguments are necessary in order to be

02:08:24.900 presuppositional. And so all that being said, I think we can be co-belligerents with Catholics

02:08:29.680 on a ton of things. Praise God, I'm grateful for many of them. With Eastern Orthodox guys on a ton

02:08:36.420 of things. And then even rippling out beyond that, we can be co-belligerents with Mormons 1.00

02:08:42.760 on a lot of things. Mormons like to have kids. I like that too. And then even beyond that, 0.63

02:08:50.560 We can be, you know, co-belligerents with guys who voted for Joe Biden in 2020 and just realize that Democrats might not be a good idea in 2022, like Elon Musk.

02:09:03.740 And because we can appeal to these other things, and I don't think that means, you know, like, well, Joel's embracing natural law and he's making arguments from nature and logic and this kind of, you know, so he's, you know, officially handed back in his presuppositional card.

02:09:17.180 I have been under the persuasion that that was never against, you know, in contradiction to presuppositionalism to begin with.

02:09:28.400 I'll do my best to answer from, say, Stephen Wolf's perspective.

02:09:31.660 I read his book, I think, three times.

02:09:33.740 So I just, in regards to the question of self-neutrality, I think there's a difference between theological neutrality when it comes to assertions of the truth of God,

02:09:42.060 of the necessity of repentance and faith in jesus and then properties that are anthropological to

02:09:47.420 man and so in that sense maybe the presuppositionalist across the board is saying

02:09:51.580 neutrality in any of these areas in law and government and home and this side of the other

02:09:56.200 neutrality is non-existent but then i think some natural law guys and again if i could do my best

02:10:00.960 to say what maybe stephen wolf would say is yes that is certainly true it's in the bible especially

02:10:05.600 theologically when it comes to anthropological category we're not necessarily thinking in

02:10:10.120 theological presuppositions but much more so what is taught to us about government and law and all

02:10:16.240 those things so i think if i could get into the mind of someone that would advocate for a natural

02:10:20.420 law approach versus a theonomic they would say that about neutrality they would say that proper

02:10:25.520 reasoning will lead to right conclusions about natural issues regardless of who's doing the

02:10:30.520 reasoning yep and even theologically yes they have shortcuts or deficiencies still as man being men

02:10:38.360 they can leverage reason to greater and lesser degrees right to arrive at sometimes true

02:10:43.180 conclusions right nobody nobody has ever reasoned themselves to salvation nope but um but you can

02:10:49.900 reason yourself to uh stopping human extinction you can reason yourself you can reason yourself

02:10:56.680 to god existing aristotle and plato both right yeah god is real exist and made all things right

02:11:01.700 and that actually is romans one and so like yeah and and i think with law specifically

02:11:08.520 there may be some categories that would differ but law is i mean all law is is

02:11:14.620 the the imposition of morality someone so so when it comes to law i think that that's something that

02:11:22.200 i could i could talk to an unbeliever like elon musk could be sitting in this room who again i

02:11:26.820 think is is hell bound and and i think he i in 15 seconds uh i could i could get him to agree

02:11:34.060 uh that in the realm of law right neutrality is a myth because that's all law is is it's

02:11:40.200 legislating morality right someone's morality like every single law that exists is is always

02:11:47.580 from the basis of this is morally good this is morally reprehensible and um always and so i i

02:11:55.600 actually think that um you know that you could you could convince an a non-believer about that

02:12:02.820 in the realm of law i don't i'd have to think of every single category in society and whether or

02:12:07.440 not but with something like law and and and the political i think i think politics is there's no

02:12:15.040 neutrality in politics and i think that too uh that you could you could substantiate that argument

02:12:20.800 that neutrality is a myth in the realm of the political and the realm of law um because um

02:12:28.900 both are inherently moral they're moral categories yep now we would argue all day long about and now

02:12:37.160 what is moral you know and uh and we'd have very different ideas but i think you know elon even in

02:12:43.160 his you know infamous tweet in 2022 when he said like all right i'm switching over and i'm gonna

02:12:47.760 to vote for uh republican now um he even in that morality was the language in which he expressed

02:12:55.020 that that transition he said i used to think that the democrats were the party of um kindness and

02:13:02.500 compassion so what is he expressing he's saying um man is a political animal everyone's political

02:13:09.640 i too am not above it all nobody's really above it all that even that is a is a political strategy

02:13:15.420 to somehow you know get your way you know or appear to be you know whatever so everyone's

02:13:19.920 political i'm a political animal and in the realm of the political um i voted for one political

02:13:24.800 party because i thought it was the more moral party right and the minute that i realized that

02:13:30.480 they weren't and that another party was um morally superior to that then i switched political

02:13:36.600 allegiance which to bring it full circle my last comment here is um the left one

02:13:45.000 through a lot of the 10s and the 20s

02:13:47.200 because they made appeals to morality.

02:13:50.160 It was a false morality.

02:13:51.480 It was.

02:13:51.660 They convinced people that theirs was the moral cause.

02:13:54.080 Yeah, it was constant appeals to compassion

02:13:57.000 and kindness and the least of these,

02:13:59.340 all those kinds of things.

02:14:01.100 And yeah, and there is a sense of morality there,

02:14:10.040 um but it was it was always it was um i think if i could sum it up in a phrase um it was

02:14:18.540 you know it wasn't like uh we're taking something that's truly a vice like like just clearly on its

02:14:25.760 face of vice and and convincing you that it's somehow a virtue i think they would they would

02:14:30.660 actually pick out it in some ways it became that and that's why they've now lost they went too far

02:14:35.660 but initially uh they would they would pick things that really are virtuous and even by

02:14:40.360 biblical standards are virtuous but it would be um it would be such a particular virtue that it

02:14:47.760 would be um missing the forest for the tree right so like uh and and evangelicals do this all the

02:14:54.700 time christians do this too so it's like uh you think of um you think for instance of like um

02:15:02.300 gentleness you know it's like gentleness is a virtue and there you know and you can think of

02:15:08.740 like well it doesn't seem like god was being gentle you know when um you know like you you

02:15:14.740 would hone in on you know the woman caught in adultery and see this is jesus's gentleness

02:15:19.940 um and so therefore jesus is different than his father because his father you know you know the 0.96

02:15:25.260 sin of aiken uh there's no gentleness there that you know the you know they put him him and his 1.00

02:15:30.240 whole household is put to death you know for his animals yeah and even his animals just because

02:15:35.280 he didn't want to waste some of the gold you know he was just practicing good stewardship you know

02:15:40.700 like keeping some of you know some of the plunder from from jericho um and but but then you but the

02:15:48.080 way that you're able to do that is um is by zooming zooming in so um acutely on on one tree

02:15:56.900 that you miss the force, like what you're missing there is like, no, it actually is gentleness in

02:16:02.400 both cases. Yes, it's a strict judgment and a harsh penalty, but that's not the absence of

02:16:08.460 gentleness. The question is always, who is God being gentle to in this particular scenario? So

02:16:14.580 you see the individual direct gentleness towards the woman who's caught in adultery, you know, 0.69

02:16:21.320 in john chapter 8 but but in the case of aiken you you actually see god being gentle um to the

02:16:28.080 entire nation of israel by nipping sin in the bud that would that would spread like gangrene and in

02:16:35.280 fact all all the camp that all of them would be given over to idolatry and to disobedience to the 0.62

02:16:40.500 lord so the lord actually is being gentle right that's why i hate the idea of like gentle parenting

02:16:45.640 because because it literally is a slap in the face to hebrews chapter 12 right so it's god

02:16:51.760 disciplines those he loves it's not as though god puts gentleness to the side um no it's it's in

02:16:58.920 gentleness that god uh disciplines because discipline is is far better than than eternal

02:17:05.660 judgment uh and and that's what hebrews 12 explicitly says that no discipline is pleasant

02:17:11.100 for the time. But the point is that what it produces, but then also that it really is painful,

02:17:17.480 but the pain is fleeting. It's temporary. It's only but for a moment. And that's all of our

02:17:23.540 lives. If you're a child of God, if you're a Christian, then your whole life is filled with 0.98

02:17:30.700 highs, but also with lows. Your whole life is filled with suffering and difficulty and challenge 1.00

02:17:35.620 and disappointment. And none of this is random or coincidence. All of this is being orchestrated

02:17:41.760 by a sovereign God who stands meticulously sovereign above all of it. And he's only

02:17:48.520 allowing for these things to take place because he's trying to steal your joy, because he just

02:17:57.000 doesn't want you to have a good time. No, it's actually because he is intimately concerned and

02:18:01.820 committed to your greatest degree of joy and your eternal happiness there's not one thing

02:18:07.900 for the christian that will happen to us here in this life that in eternity that we would look back

02:18:13.020 and say i wish that never happened like we will still have a sense of like yeah i shouldn't have

02:18:17.600 sinned against god but even my sin he used for his glory and not only for his glory but for my

02:18:22.900 eternal good all of it all of our scars in this life will become eternal monuments to the glory

02:18:29.120 and the goodness and the kindness of God, because it's forming in us Christ-like character,

02:18:34.520 more dependency on God, more capacity.

02:18:37.300 Like Jonathan Edwards used this language of like the person being expanded by God in

02:18:43.740 sanctification to have a higher, greater capacity for enjoyment of God.

02:18:48.080 In heaven, everyone will be full, is kind of what Edwards argued.

02:18:52.640 So, nobody will be like the glass half full.

02:18:54.940 Nobody will be empty.

02:18:56.020 There will be no lack in heaven.

02:18:57.460 everyone will be fully enjoying god but some will have higher capacities more they'll be full but

02:19:04.100 it'll be like a a gallon jug where somebody else might only be a thimble so everybody will be full

02:19:09.800 and satisfied in god in his presence forever but some will have a higher capacity for enjoying god

02:19:15.500 than others based off of varying degrees of sanctification in this life and there um and

02:19:21.680 and we talked about this right before we came on so it's fresh in my mind but i don't also don't

02:19:25.440 think that heaven, even in the eternal state, I don't think it will be static. I think that we'll

02:19:29.040 continue to develop and grow in our knowledge of God because we'll still be creatures, sinless,

02:19:33.660 but still finite. And so growing in our knowledge of God and as we grow in our knowledge of the

02:19:38.280 infinite, we'll never fully arrive because you can't fully know that which is infinite if you're

02:19:43.680 finite. And so there'll always be more of God to know even eons and eons into eternity. And as we

02:19:49.740 grow just and that's just in the realm of just in the realm of of knowledge you know epistemology

02:19:55.300 but like as we grow in our knowledge of god um will there'll be more uh there'll be more for us

02:20:02.140 to consciously enjoy of god you know and so um yeah so all that being said my point is just that

02:20:09.780 i i think i i think that um well i don't i don't know what i think michael do you want to bring it

02:20:17.360 home what what do you think uh i actually this is a rare occasion for me but i actually did

02:20:25.040 i'll admit i actually did talk yourself get my original my original point i'm usually able to

02:20:30.800 take the rabbit trail trail and come back home but this time i i don't it's escaping me i don't know

02:20:36.120 where where the plane would land there to be honest i was talking about i i know i started

02:20:40.760 somehow with elon musk and how he could be convinced from natural reasoning of this and

02:20:45.780 that and the other, you know, and then I was getting into, you know, getting into more of

02:20:49.520 a Christian dynamic and salvation and how ultimately, you know, God has to change the

02:20:54.580 heart. But the point was just, the point I guess was just to say that God is in control of all

02:21:01.360 these things. Everything is happening for a reason. And we're continuing to develop in real

02:21:06.700 time. I don't believe that that ends upon the moment of death. I think that even in the eternal

02:21:10.760 state that it's not static but it will continue and um and it's all building towards something

02:21:17.720 and i think even politically when you think of the political and you think of legislation you

02:21:22.300 think of you know what's happening in god's providence here and now in america in our country

02:21:26.720 um all that's building towards something and and like the easiest example that we could use is just

02:21:32.600 you know the four-year term of the biden administration i don't think we'd get the

02:21:37.080 trump that we have today if we didn't if he didn't lose now whether or not he actually lost who you

02:21:42.280 know that doesn't really matter but uh the point is that like part of the reason that he won in a

02:21:47.480 landslide in 2024 is because of the pain of 2020 through 2024 and uh and i think that that's a

02:21:54.760 pattern that we see um in our world we see it individually in our our sanctification we see it

02:22:01.300 at the the universally with you know humanity as a whole um that we're continuing to develop and

02:22:07.780 learn and sometimes there is a sharp decline it feels like it feels like we're taking three steps

02:22:14.200 back but i believe that by god's grace it's it's because he's intending you know we can't always

02:22:19.860 see the end game but i think it's because because he's intending if we are taking three steps back

02:22:25.580 that eventually we're going to take four or five steps forward. And I think that we're learning a

02:22:33.020 lot. And I'm not sure the lesson has really come home for all of us, or even myself, not in full.

02:22:38.460 But I do think that the left has overplayed its hand. And we've learned a great deal. And I think

02:22:46.500 there are some lessons that hopefully we won't have to repeat for the near future. And that the

02:22:51.560 left was so atrocious and so far that that MAGA might actually now be the new the new center and

02:23:01.340 and I think there you know there'll be some little left faction from that but but ultimately it'll be

02:23:06.900 insignificant and then hopefully you know over time there'll be something to the right of MAGA

02:23:11.760 that becomes significant and and for that I feel white-pilled and hopeful. Wes do you have any

02:23:18.540 final thoughts for today's episode gavin i don't know what do you think good summer that was good

02:23:24.720 yeah okay all right uh any other questions in the chat nate all right that's it well thank

02:23:31.760 you guys for tuning in and lord willing we will see you again this wednesday at 3 p.m central time

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