The NXR Podcast - THE LIVESTREAM - How the Statue of Liberty Lost Its Meaning

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00:00:26.800 For nearly 140 years, she has stood in New York Harbor, torch held high, a symbol of freedom and hope.

00:00:35.640 But last week, a French politician made headlines by saying they want her back.

00:00:41.480 Give us back the Statue of Liberty, Raphael Glucksmann declared,

00:00:46.360 arguing that America has abandoned the values she used to represent.

00:00:51.260 He even quoted the famous poem inscribed at her base,

00:00:55.240 Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.

00:01:01.820 But here's the problem.

00:01:03.200 Those words were never part of the statue's original meaning.

00:01:06.680 When France gifted the statue to the United States in 1886,

00:01:10.900 she was named Liberty Enlightening the World.

00:01:14.560 She was not meant to symbolize mass migration, but the ideals of ordered liberty.

00:01:19.900 The kind of liberty that could only be sustained by a virtuous and free people.

00:01:25.240 She was a monument to the political and spiritual inheritance of Christodom, a testament to the unique civilization that made true freedom possible.

00:01:35.080 Yet over time, that meaning was rewritten.

00:01:38.260 Lady Liberty was no longer a symbol of Christian self-government, but of open borders and a rootless multicultural myth.

00:01:47.020 So what happens when a nation forgets what made it free in the first place?

00:01:51.600 Today, we're setting the record straight.

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00:02:18.240 The Statue of Liberty was never meant to be a symbol of mass migration,

00:02:22.380 Yet somehow, that's the version of history that we've all been sold.

00:02:27.620 How did we get here?

00:02:29.020 How did a monument to liberty itself become a rallying cry for open borders?

00:02:34.840 And more importantly, what does this shift reveal about the way modern America understands itself?

00:02:42.280 Today we're going back to the real history, breaking down the myth and pointing towards a better vision.

00:02:49.380 So, let's begin.

00:02:52.380 hello hello hello yes the rumors are true it is white pill wednesday our guy our very own

00:03:08.960 andrew isker the viking he was just recently in florida uh he recorded on tucker carlson's show

00:03:16.900 it should be airing uh in the very near future and for those of you what do you mean florida i

00:03:21.880 thought tucker was in maine he has studios in both of those states and apparently florida is

00:03:27.520 kind of the winter home and so uh both cj angle and andrew isker contramundum they got to go

00:03:33.960 to florida and andrew isker got to record on tucker carlson's show and so we'll be seeing

00:03:40.060 that in the near future uh it is a white pill wednesday because of that news but really that

00:03:44.340 news follows on the heels of other news that we've already addressed but it's worth mentioning

00:03:48.700 again which is uh that in the span of i think one week maybe two weeks at most but i think just about

00:03:54.760 a week uh you have pictures of andrew isker uh recording with tucker carlson going on one of

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00:04:12.860 yep and i know it's it's a rough day um for the anti-christian nationalists you know it's a tough

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00:04:23.100 sure he's doing okay um people having a hard time neil shenvey probably having a hard time but

00:04:27.560 um it has been said again and again and again by the detractors that christian nationalism

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00:04:38.160 lines of argument was that Christian nationalism is an acute, fringe, insignificant, pathetic 0.93

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00:04:52.260 to anything. But the Lord, not to try to over-spiritualize here, but we are Christian

00:04:56.760 nationalists, lest we forget, the Lord does not despise small beginnings. And this seems to me

00:05:04.780 very much like God's MO, that he would use small things and insignificant people, but to accomplish

00:05:13.580 great ends. And so God is doing an amazing thing. We're grateful for it. Help us out on this one.

00:05:18.200 We're basically going to make the argument today that the Statue of Liberty, not from its outset,

00:05:22.180 not from its origin, but that it was hijacked and very much today has become just a monument towards

00:05:29.660 porous borders and a full-fledged invasion of the third world. But before we get into 0.87

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00:11:25.660 Okay, Michael, you want to take us away?

00:11:26.940 All right, very good.

00:11:28.300 Well, some of you probably saw the news last week, and it wasn't the biggest story in the

00:11:33.520 world, but actually, to me, it was just funny.

00:11:36.040 It was funny.

00:11:36.880 But of course, as President Trump is changing kind of the, well, he's giving Americans permission

00:11:45.420 to be American, to love their nation, and prioritizing America, putting America first. 0.78

00:11:51.120 This, of course, has been interpreted as this hateful, evil, unkind and uncharitable racist

00:12:00.260 shift in the American ethos, right?

00:12:05.000 And so internationally, the claim is being made that America has been rotten at the core

00:12:12.020 and the fruit is now showing and everything that Trump is saying is simply the rotten fruit of the

00:12:18.400 dark, polluted heart of racism and anti-Semitism and misogyny, all these things. And so the

00:12:25.920 international, the liberal international world is objecting in some ways to what President Trump

00:12:32.080 has been doing and trying to reinforce our immigration, our tariffs, saying that no,

00:12:37.600 actually America is for America. Just that statement alone has been enough to set the

00:12:42.480 internet and the news and even international diplomats apparently on fire. And so as the

00:12:47.660 cold open says, there was one particular member of the left-wing party in France. His name is

00:12:57.260 Raphael Glucksmann. And he, in an interview, said, well, maybe it's time for France to take the

00:13:04.560 Statue of Liberty back it was a gift from France originally that part of the history is true

00:13:09.520 and uh apparently America has abandoned um the spirit in which France gave us the Statue of

00:13:17.780 Liberty to such a degree that um he is promoting the idea that we no longer deserve it that France

00:13:25.320 should take it back I think we should and if you're wondering he is yes yes um yeah if you're

00:13:32.440 wondering every single time rafael gluxman yeah i literally just pulled it up yes of course every

00:13:39.220 single time but uh what i was going to say kind of in in that vein is uh you can't have the statue

00:13:44.140 back i'm sorry uh there's a certain point where even if something wasn't meaningful and even if

00:13:48.300 it was a psyop from the beginning which it wasn't and we're going to get into that right the statue

00:13:51.880 of liberty itself um i think signifies something wonderful we'll talk about that so you can't have

00:13:56.520 the statue back um but what you can have back is the plaque the plaque the poem on on the statue

00:14:03.800 but the thing is that doesn't go back to france if we want to you know if we're talking about

00:14:07.460 biblical restitution then it needs to go back to the actual source we'll give it back to israel

00:14:11.100 there we go all right um the irony is of course if the statue of liberty means what the liberal

00:14:18.040 modern perspective on globalism and multiculturalism claims that it means then france actually would be

00:14:24.440 the perfect place for the statue.

00:14:25.720 He's not wrong there.

00:14:26.840 France still is the bastion of all of the virtues

00:14:29.520 that are destroying the West.

00:14:31.440 And so if we were to grant the premise,

00:14:33.340 which we're not,

00:14:34.120 that the Statue of Liberty means what he thinks it means,

00:14:36.880 then actually it would belong in France.

00:14:39.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:14:39.840 Yeah, it's like, well, you don't stand for the ideals

00:14:42.020 that the statue was intended.

00:14:45.740 Well, no, it wasn't intended.

00:14:46.820 But the ideals that have slowly and progressively over time

00:14:50.660 been attributed to the Statue of Liberty,

00:14:52.820 that is true.

00:14:53.820 And those ideals, you're absolutely right.

00:14:56.220 Nobody models those better than perhaps France. 1.00

00:14:59.320 Like the ideals of getting rid of every single border and allowing your own native people to be completely invaded by the third world and particularly by Muslims and people who hate liberty. 1.00

00:15:12.000 Then, yeah, in that sense, the Statue of Liberty belongs to no one better. 1.00

00:15:16.640 It's nowhere more fitting than France.

00:15:18.880 As France continues to commit national suicide, which is really, it's angering, but it's tragic, especially to the French people.

00:15:31.340 But yeah, if you guys, you're right.

00:15:33.400 You're saying, well, America doesn't, America is, we, the French, a suicidal people, gave this to you to ensure that you too would join us in suicide.

00:15:45.460 And you guys are backing out of the deal.

00:15:47.340 it seems like, you know, that you've got, you've elected some leaders who at least want to commit

00:15:52.240 suicide slower and maybe not at all. And so you don't deserve this stat. You give it back.

00:15:57.660 Those weren't the terms we gave it on. That's right. Yeah. That's basically what's going on.

00:16:00.860 Well, to add a little levity to this, if you didn't see it, it's worth watching. Well,

00:16:05.020 you're going to watch it now if you're watching the live stream, but we're going to play

00:16:07.300 a response from the White House press secretary when asked about this exact question. And I think

00:16:13.960 it's pretty great. A French politician requesting the United States return the Statue of Liberty,

00:16:20.200 Raphael Glucksmann, a member of the European Parliament, he says, give us back the Statue

00:16:25.000 of Liberty to the Americans who have chosen to side with the tyrants. The White House press

00:16:30.220 secretary steps up. My advice to that low-level French politician would be to remind them that

00:16:36.500 it's only because of the United States of America that the French are not speaking German right now.

00:16:40.960 I can just imagine Donald Trump just being like, you know what?

00:16:44.800 They want the Statue of Liberty back.

00:16:46.240 They can have it back.

00:16:47.120 And to actually take it down and ship it back.

00:16:49.780 Yeah. 0.87

00:16:50.000 Or maybe just to sink it and create an artificial reef for divers.

00:16:53.920 Look, we don't need friends.

00:16:55.180 We don't need their baguettes.

00:16:56.620 We don't need their statues.

00:16:58.240 We got our own statues.

00:16:59.520 We can make our own bread here. 1.00

00:17:00.600 I want to bring all the bread back to America.

00:17:02.920 And we don't need their statues.

00:17:04.260 They can have their statues.

00:17:04.960 now it pains me greatly to point out historically that one of the reasons why america was able to

00:17:15.580 win its independence was because france cast his law in with us in the war for independence

00:17:22.280 the revolutionary war it's a painful memory so we do have to at least acknowledge that um we do

00:17:29.060 have something of a partnership going back with the french a long way but actually that is kind

00:17:34.100 of what led to the collaboration or at least the gift of the Statue of Liberty towards us is

00:17:39.520 the French Revolution, if I'm right, historically came several years after the American Revolution.

00:17:46.340 And in principle, they said, we want what America has. In theory, they said, oh, except for without 0.59

00:17:53.240 the Christianity. We'll take the Rousseau, we'll take the humanism, and we will gain our quote

00:18:00.540 unquote independence and freedom um but in a lot of ways france even though it sided with us

00:18:05.940 we quickly outpaced it and it even in its revolution ended up kind of looking up to the

00:18:11.740 american um spirit that had been created when when america became a nation um in 1780

00:18:19.300 oh now i'm putting me on the spot here but 1776 no that's when we signed the declaration

00:18:24.600 but i'm saying like when we actually formalized and became a nation in 1788 we ratify the

00:18:28.960 okay thank you yeah so um there is a little bit of history we do have to acknowledge that uh going

00:18:36.080 back that far at least we are indebted to the french uh to some degree yeah so we want to

00:18:42.700 used to be a great people they did yeah there's no denying yep charlemagne charlemagne fantastic

00:18:47.860 used to be great people they have not been a great people for a great period of time but they used to

00:18:52.580 be a great people yeah so we want to go over a little bit of the history of the statue of liberty

00:18:57.460 And I want to say at the beginning, it is good for a man and a church and even a nation to have a reputation for being magnanimous, right?

00:19:09.480 It is actually a glory to a nation that people from around the world would recognize the prosperity that God has given to us and say, I want to get me some of that, right?

00:19:20.280 Like it is the nations at the bottom of the barrel that don't have any immigration problems because no one's trying to get in.

00:19:27.460 And so there is a sense where a Christian nation, if it's blessed by God, ought to be magnanimous, right?

00:19:35.960 There ought to be a sense of America always considered itself to be a city on a hill, not the Christian city on the hill, but a city on a hill casting a light.

00:19:46.020 And that's really what the Statue of Liberty gets into, casting a light of some sort to the nations of the world for them to perhaps look up to, to emulate, to try and aspire to be.

00:19:57.460 Magnanimity is not a bad thing for a nation to have.

00:20:01.220 In fact, that is kind of the, Joel, you talk a lot about the glory of the husband or the father, the father more than the husband, who will condescend to his children and how even that condescension is a glory to the husband.

00:20:17.560 And so we don't want to go so far that we say, well, we have no role in the world, actually.

00:20:26.240 That we as a people, we as a nation have no role in the world.

00:20:29.300 I think that if we can recapture ourselves over the next decades, we want to assume the role that God has given us in the world.

00:20:35.900 There's nothing inherently wrong with empires.

00:20:39.340 But you kind of, that's, to me, I've been thinking a lot about this for the past few years.

00:20:44.220 like so you know i've gone i feel like i've gone through all the phases of like all right strict

00:20:49.360 isolationist that's it i've had it you know build build three walls you know and like let's build a

00:20:54.680 dome you know over america like nobody in nobody out and we don't let the rest of the world just 0.72

00:21:00.300 crumble you know and burn to ash and that you know it's not my you know not my circus not my clowns

00:21:07.800 you know, it's not my problem, America. But there is, I mean, God has used empires throughout

00:21:15.180 history. But here's the deal, you just, you have to make up your mind. You have to make up your,

00:21:19.480 like, pick a lane. What America, what's been so terrible as of late, and when I say as of late,

00:21:24.940 I mean for decades, for America, is that it's fulfilled the duties of an empire without

00:21:30.500 receiving any of the blessings and the rights of an empire. So, we've provided the whole world

00:21:36.900 with um we've policed the whole world made made the world safe made shipping you know in all the

00:21:42.600 oceans and lanes you know safe and done this pirates right now yeah and we've done it for

00:21:47.440 every country in the world to where every country has been lifted up out of abject poverty um but

00:21:53.540 we've done it for free we've done it for free with no expectation of of of any fidelity being

00:22:00.740 returned to us no like and i think that's a lot of what trump is kind of getting at he's like we've

00:22:06.100 like the whole world all the nations of the world have been ripping us off for decades and decades

00:22:10.420 and decades and we've been letting it happen so i don't think you know the more i thought about like

00:22:13.860 i am a nationalist don't get me wrong i'm a nationalist and america first 100 and i mean

00:22:18.320 actual america first not israel first but america first um that said if america we got to get our

00:22:24.840 you know get the you know clean your own house first so we got to get our own house in order

00:22:28.860 first um but eventually i don't want to say like you know again you've heard me say this there's

00:22:34.560 timely principles and timeless principles so when i say america first uh pull everything back

00:22:40.020 build three walls you know uh millions have to go back let's you know let's focus at home

00:22:46.120 that's a timely principle the timeless in terms of the timeless um i would be perfectly fine if

00:22:53.600 if not not today but eventually eventually when things are in order at home and america is

00:23:00.760 prospering and america doesn't have people pushing uh old old women into uh the the train tracks on

00:23:08.640 the subway you know and lighting people on fire you know and like okay like if we can get our

00:23:14.340 house in order if we can do that um then in principle uh i don't have any theological or

00:23:21.060 biblical argument against um america eventually um being empirical but but if we're going to be

00:23:29.000 an empire, function as an empire, as an actual empire. Don't just assume the duties for free

00:23:37.100 so that every other country benefits except for your own people. That's not an empire. That's

00:23:42.260 just making your own people a tax farm. And then also, if you're going to be an empire,

00:23:47.140 do not export our sacred democracy. Do what empires do and have a better form of government

00:23:53.920 that anyone who falls underneath the empire is subjugated to, not democracy.

00:24:00.220 I do not want a democratic empire that includes nations with people who don't even know how to read.

00:24:07.740 You're telling me 20 years in Afghanistan, billions and billions of dollars. 0.94

00:24:11.260 We tried to set it up. 0.99

00:24:12.020 And leave it there.

00:24:12.820 And leave it there.

00:24:13.620 And it was all for nothing because it didn't work?

00:24:15.220 Correct.

00:24:15.400 Because the people were not compatible with it?

00:24:16.700 The people were not.

00:24:17.120 That wouldn't happen, would it?

00:24:17.860 They were not fit for self-governance.

00:24:19.540 We wouldn't waste two decades trying a nation-building project, multiple of them, for all of them to fail.

00:24:24.740 Oh, we would, Wes.

00:24:25.480 Oh, that's exactly what happened.

00:24:26.580 We would.

00:24:27.220 No, it's funny because sometimes it's like, man, well, you know, all the nations, maybe egalitarianism is true, you know,

00:24:32.460 because it's like all the nations of the world that, you know, like everybody has like nuclear weapons, it seems like,

00:24:37.180 where, you know, at least everybody's got tanks and jets and bombs and this and that.

00:24:40.520 And, you know, like even some of these third world nations, you know, and Islamic nations, you know,

00:24:45.500 it's like uh man they they really developed quickly because i feel like i blinked my eyes 0.64

00:24:50.360 you know just like 15 minutes ago they were throwing rocks and now they've got you know

00:24:53.580 jets and planes and they're manufacturing ak-47s yeah it's like oh wait it all came from us and

00:24:58.620 russia and russia to be fair okay yeah go ahead um okay so the statue of liberty was originally

00:25:05.100 given as a gift to the united states from france and it was it was supposed to be called originally

00:25:11.940 liberty enlightening the world um west this might be a good place for you to talk about um cj angle's

00:25:20.000 tweet about liberty and probably what they meant at the time and really what's really at stake here

00:25:25.240 with the way that the definition of liberty has been co-opted in the modern time so maybe we can

00:25:30.900 pull up that tweet that that west had prepared yes let's pull this up from cj this is cj is a great

00:25:36.420 thinker really appreciate everything he says and so he's responding through listening to when we

00:25:40.380 say cj angle we mean cj he just took a picture with tucker carlson angle the one and only yeah

00:25:46.740 uh so he's responding to joel barry who below this he said basically really it's not left

00:25:52.440 versus right anymore it's tyranny versus liberty right the key tension today is well you've got

00:25:58.440 tyranny on the one side and liberty on the other and cj says this left versus right so politically

00:26:04.760 left politically right is so inextricably caught up in liberty versus and tyranny versus liberty

00:26:09.740 that this claim has actually always been wrong the claim that oh it's about tyranny versus liberty

00:26:14.700 it's a contest catch this between different frameworks and meanings of liberty and tyranny

00:26:21.000 it's important to remember that the 20th century was built on the rhetoric of freedom we talk a

00:26:26.360 lot about repealing the 20th century there's a lot of terrible things that happened because we said

00:26:30.180 hey heart seller act we want freedom we want liberty we want anyone to have the freedom to

00:26:34.920 come here and to be an american so there's a lot of bad things that came even under that word

00:26:39.280 liberty and so what he's getting at here is there's different frameworks like as an example uh the

00:26:45.120 christian religion and its prescription for the state we just talked about this on monday is if

00:26:51.160 you look at it one way tyrannical you can't worship other gods you can't publicly blaspheme

00:26:56.920 you can't commit adultery it be known and you continue on your life there's penalties from

00:27:01.320 the civil magistrate so someone today many people today they look at that and they go that is

00:27:05.960 tyranny a christian state that wouldn't allow these different things that would be tyrannical

00:27:10.540 but we look at and we say that would be a blessing as james says the law of christ is the law

00:27:15.780 of liberty there's a lot of talk in the new testament about liberty now what is that liberty

00:27:20.240 is it liberty to be degenerate liberty to blaspheme like oh my goodness i'm so set free by christ i

00:27:26.160 can now go in the public square and shout the most obscene things of course not and it's not

00:27:31.880 tyranny in the true and the good sense in a real framework that we would ascribe to that's not

00:27:37.260 tyranny at all if anything that's providing them the freedom the freedom to who not the blasphemer

00:27:42.020 but for a family to go on a walk on a saturday night right and not hear rap music full of

00:27:46.940 profanity assaulting their eardrums you're always going to be infringing on some level of liberty

00:27:51.600 so the ideal is not the maximum amount of liberty in every possible thing in every possible dimension

00:27:57.920 No, it's only going to be a balance of what type of liberty we want.

00:28:01.820 The freedom to start a business, the freedom to attend a church, the freedom to not be

00:28:04.940 assaulted by rap music, the freedom to not have your food packed full of dyes and chemicals.

00:28:09.860 That's one type of freedom that's real and that we're striving for.

00:28:13.220 The freedom to smoke weed and watch Netflix and do degenerate things, that is technically

00:28:17.900 in one framework of freedom, but it's not at all a freedom that you want.

00:28:21.780 And so to simplify it, to just say, well, there's tyranny on one hand and there's authoritarianism,

00:28:26.900 but then there's liberty and we have to be for all types of liberty you miss the conversation

00:28:31.860 you miss the tension i would say completely uh entirely yeah and we've covered on this show

00:28:37.680 quite a bit the idea that um virtue true virtue precludes true liberty right and so when the new

00:28:45.520 testament says that where the spirit of the lord is there is liberty i know that's a spiritual

00:28:49.440 principles but the founding fathers and the puritans took that to say well we ought to be

00:28:54.160 able to live in harmony with true liberty, right? Because the really, and the reason why it matters

00:29:00.500 that we're framing this as a definitional issue, or what CJ did in framing it as a definitional

00:29:05.060 issue, is while some people, and I agree with you, Wes, some people would say, oh, a state

00:29:10.440 tamping down on LGBTQ affirming churches, that's tyranny. Well, the thing is, who gets to define

00:29:18.660 that right right and if it's tyranny according to biblical standards or worldly standards that

00:29:26.080 that really makes all the difference in the world so i think i think we could all say that when the

00:29:32.420 word liberty was used now this was already well into kind of the french project rousseau had

00:29:37.720 already um there's so many postmodern philosophers for the record yes rousseau yeah michael falco

00:29:43.320 Peter, Jean-Paul Sartre, Philip Derrida.

00:29:46.700 Derrida is terrible.

00:29:47.640 French philosophers have been a terrible lot for us in the last 150 years.

00:29:52.160 So it's hard to say that when they gave the Statue of Liberty as a symbol of liberty, liberty's light, they probably did already have a sense of kind of this more modernist.

00:30:06.020 But we're going to reclaim that term, and we're going to go back to the liberty that the U.S. meant, right?

00:30:10.860 Which is ordered, virtuous liberty.

00:30:13.500 The kind of liberty that can only be produced when there is a moral and religious, self-governed people who are under the, really the restraints.

00:30:23.500 The only restraints they have is the restraints of the gospel.

00:30:26.580 Right.

00:30:26.660 Right. And so in that sense, I think that many of the people early in Christian history could have kind of gotten along and said, yeah, this liberty that we have as an American society and American people is a good and godly and ordered thing.

00:30:40.100 And so thank you very much, French government. We do have that kind of liberty. But the Statue of Liberty was given about 100 years into the American project.

00:30:48.360 It was supposed to celebrate or commemorate the 100 year anniversary of signing the Declaration of Independence.

00:30:53.460 And I bet if we, to be fair, I bet if we went very carefully, by that point already, I would imagine the definition of liberty and freedom was already starting to change a little bit just through the influence of the European and the French philosophers and postmodernists.

00:31:08.900 We've got a lot of people in the chat, I keep noticing, they keep saying, liberty from rap music.

00:31:14.480 It needs to happen.

00:31:15.660 It needs to happen. The people of these United States need to be free from going into public venues and being assaulted by the most degrading, pathetic, it's hard to even call it music, but sounds that have ever been gone across airways. 0.70

00:31:33.560 All right, let's do this. Let's go to our first commercial break, and then we will come right back. And I want to point out a tweet that I put out when this story first broke last week to get a little bit into the origins, not so much of the Statue of Liberty, which we'll talk more about, but of this particular plaque, the poem, that has been attributed to the Statue of Liberty and has been on the Statue of Liberty for quite some time. So let's go to a commercial break, and we'll be right back.

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00:34:33.480 Okay, go ahead and pull up that tweet, Nathan.

00:34:38.280 This is something that I put out last week.

00:34:41.100 I said, I was reading Matt Walsh.

00:34:44.600 OK, so Matt Walsh said, I don't want to give the Statue of Liberty to France, but I do 0.63

00:34:48.260 think that we should remove that dumb poem about the huddled masses and send that to 0.51

00:34:52.880 them. 0.94

00:34:53.600 But Matt, I got to say, it should go back to the source.

00:34:57.540 It needs to go back to Israel, not France.

00:34:59.660 They can attach it to the Eiffel Tower or something.

00:35:02.900 America is not an international homeless shelter.

00:35:05.980 Yes and amen.

00:35:06.660 So then I retweeted Matt and said, agreed.

00:35:08.680 The Statue of Liberty is an important monument, but the poem on the Statue of Liberty was

00:35:13.920 a psyop to weaken America by guilting its citizens to receive in mass all the worst people in the

00:35:21.240 world. Emma Lazarus was her name. There's the dead giveaway, Lazarus. Emma Lazarus was the poet who

00:35:29.060 wrote The New Colossus, was the name of the poem. She was the daughter of Portuguese Sephardic

00:35:36.360 Jewish parents. She was motivated by the plight of the Russian Jews, not just Jews, Russian Jews.

00:35:43.920 who were detained immigrants at the time.

00:35:47.700 Emma Lazarus serves as a historical example of the sin of empathy 0.91

00:35:52.300 and its devastating consequences.

00:35:55.700 So that's the tweet that I put out.

00:35:58.760 Russian Jews who were detained at the time.

00:36:01.580 I don't know.

00:36:02.740 Obviously, there are broader ramifications than what I'm about to say.

00:36:06.320 I know that this is not exclusive or exhaustive, 0.74

00:36:08.460 but anytime I think of Russian Jews, I think of Bolsheviks.

00:36:12.640 that's like 92 of the bolshevik party so that was the the the bolsheviks and the mensheviks the

00:36:18.300 bolsheviks were the far left party and the mensheviks were kind of the moderate like 92

00:36:21.760 of the bolshevik party was made up of ethnic jews at the time which soldier calls out because he's

00:36:26.800 like wait a second we had this party this movement take over russia violently depose our emperor and

00:36:32.220 all this but it wasn't even the russian people themselves it was people that weren't native to

00:36:35.480 us so when you say that like that's the reason historically you're literally saying the bolsheviks

00:36:40.000 and then jewish who typically comprise that party right so this is a young woman who was working

00:36:44.440 with immigrants at the time in new york predominantly um russian jewish immigrants

00:36:50.820 that may or may have not you know may or may not have had ties to the bolshevik early 1900s was the

00:36:57.360 high watermark too of american communism right like that was when it actually had a chance of

00:37:01.220 winning elections and that was the exact time this was the end of the 1800s going into the

00:37:05.000 beginning of the 1900s it was in 1883 that she wrote it 1883 that she wrote this poem and the

00:37:09.360 context again is she's in new york she's working with russian jews who are immigrants and she was

00:37:14.220 a self-described femme or uh obviously feminist she was a socialist yeah that was her political

00:37:20.160 party there you go yeah and um and she writes this poem that has been cited should we read it

00:37:27.500 quick again yeah we should read it nathan go ahead and pull that up if you can but this poem

00:37:32.140 uh that has been cited again and again and again as like the empirical infallible proof

00:37:38.880 that america basically can't be a country we're not allowed to be a country america cannot be for

00:37:45.360 americans but has to be open to the whole world it's it's basically this poem it's it's not

00:37:51.300 the exclusive you know um source by by any stretch but it is a chief source that's cited as as

00:37:59.920 the reason why basically this is how a lot of people think that the world is broken up into

00:38:04.720 two categories only two um that there are americans and then there are potential americans

00:38:10.700 right like right it's not like there's america with americans and then india with indians no

00:38:16.220 there's america with americans and then india with 1.3 billion potential americans as ronald

00:38:22.060 reagan said he's very well addressed i know anyone reagan did not help can come to america

00:38:26.060 and be an american and and that's and in the context we've shown that clip before but

00:38:29.520 he uh he he doesn't just say that it'd be one thing if he just said that in isolation but he

00:38:34.040 says it in the context of saying that this is not true of every other nation on the planet so every

00:38:39.640 other country he says you know you can move to france and attain citizenship so you can be like

00:38:44.740 a beer right you can you can be a french citizen you can be um a citizen of great britain you know

00:38:51.820 or you can be a citizen of uganda or anywhere else and this is a speech that president reagan gave

00:38:57.640 I can move to France and attain, you know, French citizenry, citizenship. And I can move to Russia

00:39:05.620 and attain, you know, Russian citizenship. He said, but I'll never be a Frenchman and I'll 1.00

00:39:12.080 never be a Russian. But he said, but here's the beauty of our country. Anyone from anywhere

00:39:16.880 can become an American. And the answer, of course, is no. No, you can't. No, you can by going through 0.99

00:39:26.860 the proper channels. And hopefully, by God's grace, we'll stop this too for a good 50 years

00:39:32.060 because we've gone overboard. But eventually, as things begin to settle, then yes, there will be

00:39:40.040 some mitigated responsible forms, you know, policy for immigration. And by going through the proper

00:39:45.920 channels, you could attain American citizenship. But you cannot simply move to America and even

00:39:54.460 be a citizen um and then and then that somehow magically make you an american right that's

00:40:00.620 simply not how it works if i move to japan um and attain citizenship i'm not japanese i'm a i'm a

00:40:08.140 japanese citizen and i can love japan and all those kinds of things um and if i happen to marry

00:40:14.100 in to to japanese um by by taking a japanese wife then eventually my children and i would argue from

00:40:23.300 a biblical perspective their children now getting to the third generation then they would be japanese

00:40:28.280 so i can be stayed in japan if they stayed in there they also married japanese exactly to that

00:40:32.960 that's the way it works assimilation here's the deal one of the big principles of assimilation

00:40:38.580 even in biblically speaking um is through intermarriage right ruth marries in um rahab

00:40:46.140 marries in, going somewhere when you already have your family, you and your wife, who is of

00:40:55.080 your race or your ethnic stock and your children, and then you move to America, and you don't just

00:41:01.700 move to the suburbs somewhere or some rural plot of land, but you congregate with a bunch of other

00:41:08.360 people from your native country who have also moved there, and there's 10,000 Somalians in this

00:41:14.520 small little area right and you're all married to Somalians yeah exactly like I mean that's the

00:41:20.580 concept of America think about this um the fact that we even have this concept little Italy 0.92

00:41:25.660 little China Chinatown Chinatown like all these different other countries don't do this

00:41:32.160 not like we do I knew I knew in Taiwan where Hong Kong Vietnamese area was or where the you know

00:41:38.920 like they the the they do tend to gather even because Taiwan has a lot of workers from southeast

00:41:44.360 east asia come to do the menial labor kind of yeah kind of like here so that would almost be

00:41:48.260 like german irish and english in different parts of chicago that's right more than just we have an

00:41:52.420 enclave of yeah nigeria or something like that but you're talking about on american soil to the

00:41:57.960 extent where their whole uh congregants of of people who don't even uh they don't even speak

00:42:04.780 english right right you know what i mean like like you go into that part of town and every sign

00:42:10.160 is in their nation's language not because they just got there two weeks ago right not because

00:42:14.360 they're new um but but for generations they never never actually assimilate in and um so no in a

00:42:21.380 very real sense none of this is is racism none of this is animus or hatred uh but in a very real

00:42:27.400 sense if that's what we're talking about then yes those people are not american they may they may

00:42:32.300 have attained american citizenship they may be american citizens but they are not american in

00:42:38.480 the same way that i'll never be french and that's okay there's a there's a third category too that

00:42:43.060 we actually our nation does this too and almost every nation does it and there's just simply

00:42:48.500 legal residency right right a lot of people go to a country for a period of time right and they're

00:42:53.520 legally residents there but when i was a legal resident in taiwan i had no expectation that i

00:42:57.640 was going to be a citizen i didn't get to vote i didn't have any say in the political process

00:43:01.580 much less that i was going to become taiwanese i was just there for a time period i had the

00:43:06.600 government's permission to be there that meant that i was subject to their laws but also protected

00:43:10.260 by their laws and then i was going to go back home to my country like and with that's actually

00:43:15.460 more similar to the historical pattern over time and that's the biblical pattern the sojourner

00:43:20.940 was not going to stay yeah and and so when the bible says well you know treat the sojourner

00:43:26.020 fairly don't exploit him don't take advantage of him like um treat him fairly like that's a

00:43:31.840 biblical principle and so yes anyone who is visiting the united states legally who is a

00:43:37.920 visitor should behave as a guest and should be treated respectfully as a guest but you don't

00:43:45.720 get to stay and you're certainly not an american right yeah none of this is novel all right let's

00:43:51.520 read this poem yep yeah here's the poem here we go nathan's going to put it up not like the brazen

00:43:56.860 giant of Greek fame, with conquering limbs astride from land to land, here at our sea-washed

00:44:04.100 sunset gates shall stand, a mighty woman with a torch, whose flame is the imprisoned lightning,

00:44:12.160 and her name, Mother of Exiles. From her beacon hand glows worldwide welcome, her mild eyes

00:44:21.540 command the air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame keep ancient lands your storied pomp

00:44:29.900 cries she with silent lips give me your tired your poor your huddled masses yearning to breathe free 0.99

00:44:38.840 the wretched refuse the wretched refuse of your teeming shore send these the homeless 0.99

00:44:46.960 tempest tossed to me i lift my lamp beside the golden door get that out of my face so hard if 0.74

00:44:56.260 i was like 17 and i just read communist manifesto for the first time seriously that is a communist

00:45:01.340 poem it is it really is that is a communist poem probably inspired by a jewish woman working with

00:45:09.660 russian jewish immigrants in new york um probably with some bolshevik you know inspirations in there

00:45:17.940 um yeah i mean that that poem i mean literally i just i just read it i just read it as as it's

00:45:24.100 written and i mean it's basically it's basically a recipe for how could how could this country

00:45:30.140 what's the best and quickest way that we could destroy this country yeah yeah and the the really

00:45:34.980 important thing about that is most americans only encounter those few famous lines giving your poor 0.91

00:45:42.260 your huddled masses and we know that it's attached to the statue of liberty and we tend to think that

00:45:47.600 the statue of liberty is older than it is and so part of our founding and so the i think the

00:45:52.800 unconscious connection gets made it certainly was for me for a very long time that this is a

00:45:58.960 christian principle and it's a principle in line with our founding and the reality is you just

00:46:05.420 said jul is nothing could be further from the truth right yeah i want to read some sections

00:46:10.020 of an article and here's a little bit of a white pill well maybe not because it went unheeded

00:46:14.760 but this is an article that was published it was an op-ed by the washington post in 2009

00:46:21.680 And this writer, his name is Robert Surrow. He actually wrote a book in 1998 called Strangers Among Us, in which he argued that the only way to improve the conditions of lower class workers and unskilled workers was to stop immigration.

00:46:43.340 Now, he was still kind of on the liberal perspective, but he was already seeing how terrible the idea of unlimited immigration was.

00:46:51.760 And so he wrote that in 1998, and then the Washington Post published his op-ed, which I'm going to read portions of, in 2009.

00:46:59.420 And so it always is good for me to run across people who have been saying things that we kind of are stumbling upon now and to realize we're actually not the first people to tread this ground.

00:47:15.140 That is good.

00:47:15.800 One, it keeps you humble.

00:47:17.620 And I'm painfully aware of that.

00:47:19.820 I have not had a single novel idea in my entire life.

00:47:23.480 It all comes from better men than me.

00:47:25.900 So one, it keeps you humble.

00:47:26.840 but then two it's also you're right it's a white pill it's not just humbling but it's also

00:47:31.800 optimistic and encouraging because um it lets you know that you're not alone that you know there are

00:47:37.020 other people who've been working towards this like i continue to have you know people will reach out

00:47:41.300 and i have meetings with people and they'll encourage you know us and say hey you know how

00:47:45.400 can we support the ministry or this that and the other um and then they'll tell me all about like

00:47:50.320 their story i'll ask like you know so how did you get in and and i always realize that like i'm the

00:47:55.300 new kid on the block you know like i'm the guy who started thinking about these things three years

00:47:59.380 ago and they're like oh yeah well i was a part of this society that you know pat buchanan set up

00:48:03.720 you know 20 years ago and you know me and my buchananite friends you know have this book club

00:48:09.160 you know and do this and do that or whatever you know and for 20 years we've been talking about

00:48:13.260 these things i'm like and they're only supporting me they're not supporting me because i'm a genius

00:48:17.540 because i'm not even close and they know that and i know that everybody knows that but they're

00:48:21.400 saying yeah but um not everybody not everybody can do what you're doing they're like um so we're

00:48:27.760 supporting you because you're you're mainstream you're helping to mainstream these ideas right

00:48:32.380 you're helping to mainstream these ideas we're not we're not um supporting you because you're

00:48:36.760 an expert there are other other guys who are experts i'm i've never claimed to be an expert

00:48:41.440 because i'm not uh but what we are doing is uh you're you're helping to distill these ideas down

00:48:47.820 to the masses, where it's palatable, it's understandable, not palatable meaning that

00:48:53.620 you're taking the punch out. If anything, sometimes I add a punch or two. It's like,

00:48:57.480 hey, here's something that's offensive, and I'd like to make it even more offensive

00:49:00.920 by adding some of my own thoughts. So it's not palatable in that sense, but palatable,

00:49:06.620 just digestible, understandable, and also applicable. I think that's probably the main

00:49:14.400 thing that we're doing together is saying uh this this is relevant and it matters it's pertinent

00:49:20.300 it's applicable see how it would affect uh your life right here and also right here and how it

00:49:25.860 would change this and see how that matters and how that's a daily thing it's not just theoretical but

00:49:30.740 it's practical um and so so yeah it's incredibly humbling to know um greater minds have thought

00:49:38.260 of these things and they did a better job and they've been doing it for tale as old as time

00:49:42.160 Number two, it's humbling, but it's also encouraging.

00:49:45.320 We're not alone.

00:49:46.320 There are better minds than us, but we do need people doing, everybody has their part,

00:49:51.720 just like a chessboard, you know, there's pawns and bishops and rooks and knights.

00:49:55.420 Everybody has their part.

00:49:56.800 And some people, they're the academic, they're in the ivory tower, or they're in the think

00:50:01.560 tank, you know, and they're brushing shoulders with some of the best minds and they're writing

00:50:06.240 the dissertations and the long form articles and these kinds of things.

00:50:09.620 and then other guys are starting their businesses like they're funding it right there's the

00:50:13.980 millionaire class that has money and can fund you know uh right-wing ideas and and goals and

00:50:20.080 endeavors and then there's there's media you know there's media guys who are good at distilling and

00:50:26.260 even within the media guys there's guys who speak to one particular type of person an audience and

00:50:30.820 then those who speak to another type of like people don't go on joe rogan because he's an expert

00:50:36.120 right can we just realize that guys you need to understand media for a second okay uh joe rogan

00:50:41.140 is not an expert right like the guy the thing he's probably most well versed in is mma fighting

00:50:47.920 and um and the like the dark alleys of 4chan when it comes to aliens like that's like that's

00:50:54.400 his expertise so why do millions and millions of people watch joe rogan because he's entertaining

00:51:00.420 so when i say he's not an expert don't get me wrong i'm not dogging on joe rogan that when i

00:51:06.100 say he's not an expert i'm not saying he's not talented joe rogan is highly talented very gifted

00:51:11.980 but he's gifted in his field and his field is not the field of being an academic or an expert

00:51:17.960 his field is is being able to gain the attention and the intrigue of the masses and so guys would

00:51:26.420 will support someone like joe rogan knowing that yeah joe rogan doesn't he's not an expert on world

00:51:31.760 war ii and neither am i but joe rogan can get a bunch of people talking about it right by having

00:51:37.820 daryl cooper come on the show and open it up to this like that matters that absolutely matters so

00:51:44.040 one be humbled as we're having these conversations there are better men than us who have been having

00:51:49.220 these conversations not just on american soil in the last you know few decades you know like

00:51:54.680 pat mucannon but um for centuries for centuries better men than us uh so be humble but number two

00:52:01.320 be encouraged the same thing that humbles us you're you're not original you're not unique

00:52:06.060 it's also the same thing that encourages us you're not original also means you're not alone

00:52:10.460 yeah can i say a brief word on the huge scope of immigration in the united states before we

00:52:14.520 jump into this yep so daryl cooper does a really good job of explaining this so like the 1790

00:52:19.100 immigration act for example it's uh any free white peoples of good moral character were allowed to

00:52:23.200 immigrate we look at that today and we say well that's really restrictive it actually was one of

00:52:27.300 the most expansive in its time at the time because america was huge if we were just going to be an

00:52:31.720 english colony as we originally started because there are just not enough english people there

00:52:36.700 or here right to fill a massive continent so america really really opened itself up and it

00:52:42.100 said you know whether it be europeans irish or the italians like it opened itself up but after we

00:52:47.360 filled the country here's what happened we had a trouble turning the spigot off yeah and so we got

00:52:51.860 into our ethos like there's always room out west there's always you know adventure to be had always

00:52:57.220 for people that want to settle but once it was settled how do you press the off button on

00:53:02.160 something that's been in our psyche for 150 200 years and so what you're catching is some of those

00:53:07.840 those ideas and we look at it now like holy cow we are full there are a million like it's just

00:53:12.980 it's too crowded we're not being settled anymore but you have to understand they came on the backs

00:53:17.240 of we've got to fill this country up we have so much to do so much opportunity this land is so 0.99

00:53:22.360 wonderful so we brought a bunch of people in and we kept letting them in and then as fulham's like

00:53:26.980 stop it's like no no no this this train doesn't stop like heart cellar immigration act and other

00:53:31.380 things like that so that's some of the context even for this that there was a time when we needed

00:53:34.940 more people and now we're in the time where we need less yeah and let me just say real quick

00:53:38.480 when when west says we're full i i you know i'm post-millennial and um and i think we could have

00:53:46.460 a lot more people on the planet than what we currently have if anything you know i like elon

00:53:51.020 musk is a little crazy on some things but i think he's right about this one we the far greater more

00:53:55.540 more pertinent urgent threat is underpopulation not not overpopulation so we can have more people

00:54:01.040 um but but we are full uh in terms of you know 330 million people whatever it is you know here

00:54:08.560 in america america is a huge country huge country um you could have more people but um you need a

00:54:17.660 particular type of people uh america is full in the sense that for a time there were people who

00:54:23.640 were coming they weren't they weren't coming for a handout they weren't coming for a blank check

00:54:28.040 they weren't coming to have you know state provided housing and all these kinds of things

00:54:33.200 they were coming and it was like yeah there's a wilderness out there and um it's yours if uh if

00:54:40.360 you can take it if you don't get killed by bears you know and cougars and all this kind of stuff

00:54:46.340 and if you contain the land and also you know there's also some uh indigenous people out there 1.00

00:54:51.360 that uh will try to kill you and eat you you're gonna have to fight them yeah and you're gonna 0.97

00:54:54.720 have to fight them and uh and we are giving you nothing right and uh so you can go out there with 0.98

00:55:00.400 your family no planes no no no uh you know car to take like you're going to take a wagon and you're

00:55:07.880 going to go out there and and hopefully you don't die of dysentery on the way just think organ trail

00:55:13.000 remember playing that game yep like i'm aging myself here but um if you can make it there

00:55:17.880 without dying and then secure your property without dying and build a house and all these 0.57

00:55:23.160 kinds of things and not die from disease or indigenous people trying to eat you 0.99

00:55:26.680 um or bears trying to eat you starvation parasites trying to eat you all the things that want to eat

00:55:31.840 you um if you can make it then uh then it's yours that is not where we're currently at um

00:55:38.880 that people are not coming there so my point is there actually is still land to settle

00:55:43.700 right that like we we could have we could have a billion people i believe that um not a billion

00:55:50.460 people in the same way that india has a billion people but like we could have a billion not

00:55:54.740 tomorrow. None of this happens slowly, but over time, I'm just saying theoretically, we could

00:55:59.380 have a billion people, three times the population here in these United States of America, if it was

00:56:05.640 150 years from now, and we solidify the core and the ethos of who we are as a people and the stock

00:56:12.500 of people also, and then built out our posterity from there with a mindset of continuing to build

00:56:21.680 and develop and settle um and if the government and bill gates didn't own all the land yeah that

00:56:27.740 would also be key right freeing up some of the land uh then yes you could conceptually have more

00:56:32.960 people so when west says we're we're full he's not saying that the cultural mandate has ended

00:56:37.020 that be fruitful multiply has ended he's not giving people license to have you know your 1.5

00:56:42.540 children instead of um instead of being fruitful multiply well like what i am saying is drive on

00:56:48.660 35 to austin in the morning and you will go there are too many people that's right because everyone

00:56:53.600 wants to live there right no one's so much land in texas exactly but no one's going out and starting

00:56:59.380 new towns and doing this and doing that because we've lost that innovative spirit when trump this

00:57:04.240 was like what you know well in the middle of biden's presidency but and he hasn't mentioned

00:57:11.640 it since so it could have just been a trump thing i think i remember him he mentioned like if i

00:57:17.300 become president again i want to start 10 new freedom cities and like basically it's like

00:57:21.680 free land if you're going to go in and put the work into building the city and i thought

00:57:25.660 that is exactly what we need like absolutely and that's what some of the old like presidents did

00:57:31.180 it's like you you go out here and and you actually we will give you this land yep we'll give you this

00:57:36.560 land from the louisiana purchase or whatever we'll give you this section of land um but you've got to

00:57:41.460 take it right you've got to do all the work yourself a couple guys in the chat uh just great

00:57:46.740 insights i think um so jeremy kearns uh he says how do we have 100 viewers and only 50 likes

00:57:53.320 hit the like button guys to eliminate the post-war consensus man that's profound i think

00:57:58.140 that's really good and the defiant baptist uh really great point that heroes uh raises here

00:58:03.220 he says hit the like button or you'll get dysentery and die in organ yeah and so that's 0.96

00:58:08.460 I think, I'm pretty sure that's true.

00:58:10.520 That's not even the worst thing that could happen to you in Oregon.

00:58:13.040 Yeah, that would actually be a mercy.

00:58:14.780 That would be a mercy.

00:58:15.800 You're in downtown Portland like, strike me now, Lord.

00:58:18.160 Seriously, if you're in Portland and you die of dysentery, that's the Lord's mercy.

00:58:21.940 That's an easy way to go. 0.99

00:58:23.380 But great point defined by a Baptist. 0.98

00:58:25.800 If people don't hit the like button, they're risking dysentery. 0.98

00:58:28.600 Okay.

00:58:28.980 Yeah.

00:58:29.580 So I want to get into this op-ed from the Washington Post in 2009.

00:58:34.000 Nate, I don't know if you pulled up a version of this article or not.

00:58:37.840 Yeah, there we go.

00:58:38.700 So I'm going to be kind of jumping around it a little bit.

00:58:41.020 So he says this.

00:58:42.440 I'm going to read a couple paragraphs, and then we'll get you guys' take on it.

00:58:44.620 He says, I'm talking about, give me your poor, your tired, that poem,

00:58:49.580 The New Colossus by Emma Lazarus,

00:58:51.680 which sometimes seems to define us as a nation even more than Lady Liberty herself.

00:58:58.060 Inscribed on a small brass plaque mounted inside the statue's stone base,

00:59:03.000 the poem is an appendix added belatedly,

00:59:06.200 and it can safely be removed, shrouded, or at least marked with a big asterisk.

00:59:12.340 We live in a different era of immigration,

00:59:14.580 and the Schmalsy sonnet offers a dangerously distorted picture 0.97

00:59:19.060 of the relationship between newcomers and their land.

00:59:22.420 The most enduring meaning conveyed by Lady Liberty,

00:59:25.580 which is the actual Statue of Liberty,

00:59:27.240 has nothing to do with immigration.

00:59:29.580 And I say, let's go back to that.

00:59:31.380 The statue's original name is Liberty Enlightening the World.

00:59:36.200 And the tablet that the lady holds in her left hand reads July 4th, 1776, to commemorate the signing of the Declaration of Independence.

00:59:45.500 Lady Liberty celebrates U.S. political values as a force for the betterment of humanity, as well as the bond of friendship among freedom-loving nations.

00:59:53.480 That's a powerful and worthy message.

00:59:54.920 Now get this.

00:59:56.000 And the message would have been the same if the statue had ended up in Philadelphia or Cleveland.

01:00:02.080 Both were possibilities when New York was having trouble raising the money for the pedestal in the late 1870s.

01:00:08.980 France built the statue, but the U.S. agreed that if you get it over here, we'll build a suitable pedestal for it.

01:00:14.660 New York was broke all the way back then.

01:00:16.640 What's that?

01:00:17.120 I said New York was broke all the way back then.

01:00:18.900 That's right.

01:00:19.580 Tale as old as time.

01:00:20.820 Yeah. 0.98

01:00:21.460 Far from Ellis Island, no one would associate the Statue of Liberty with immigration.

01:00:27.360 Too bad, because on this subject, Lady Liberty misleads more than she illuminates,

01:00:31.940 especially with Lazarus's added spin.

01:00:34.500 In Lazarus's vision, the statue would be called, quote, Mother of Exiles,

01:00:39.600 and it would stand by the, quote, Golden Door,

01:00:43.220 welcoming, quote, Huddled Masses yearning to breathe free, end quote.

01:00:47.020 That is a distinctly political perspective on immigration,

01:00:50.100 the United States as a refuge for the oppressed.

01:00:52.200 The truth is that our political values do not explain who comes here or why.

01:00:57.320 Economic imperatives, this is what you were getting to earlier, Wes.

01:01:00.820 Economic imperatives, much more than political aspirations, have always driven immigration in the United States.

01:01:07.560 Planters, merchants, servants, and slaves vastly outnumbered pilgrims and Puritans.

01:01:12.740 Since the mid-1980s, refugees and asylum seekers have accounted for less than a fifth of the immigrants admitted to the permanent residence here.

01:01:20.620 The United States draws immigrants for a lot of good reasons, but our political values are only part of the appeal.

01:01:26.740 When our economy grows, it creates more jobs, and I'm going to skip through this part. 0.97

01:01:30.560 And then he says this,

01:01:31.320 Our family legends and historical fact teach us that immigrants have been the ambitious and the adventurous,

01:01:37.600 the ones battling storms to get to a better place, and they have rarely been the poorest of the people,

01:01:43.220 if only because it takes money to travel.

01:01:45.480 Some have made it here with the help of employers and refugee aid programs, 0.97

01:01:49.620 but even they had to show more pluck than you'd expect from, quote, huddled masses. 1.00

01:01:55.040 Pluck, I like that. 0.87

01:01:55.600 Yeah, a term that describes those who get behind, who get left behind, 0.92

01:01:59.880 better than those who get up and leave.

01:02:02.440 Grit is another word we should bring back.

01:02:04.400 Grit. 0.64

01:02:04.560 Grit and pluck.

01:02:05.480 Yep.

01:02:05.980 Yep, absolutely.

01:02:07.420 What do those words even mean?

01:02:09.620 Nobody knows, but it's provocative and it gets the people going.

01:02:12.540 There it is.

01:02:13.360 All right, that was good.

01:02:14.340 Interesting to me that the statue was...

01:02:16.860 Who wrote that again?

01:02:17.620 This was...

01:02:18.820 Robert Surrow?

01:02:19.620 Yeah, Robert Surrow.

01:02:21.000 In 2009, you said?

01:02:21.920 2009, yep.

01:02:22.840 Washington Post published this.

01:02:24.360 All right.

01:02:24.700 So, where democracy dies in darkness.

01:02:26.880 Yeah.

01:02:27.860 Interesting to me that this was never actually intended to have a connection to immigration.

01:02:34.120 It was placed in proximity to Ellis Island, and because of the poem, and what I'm going

01:02:38.540 to read here in a minute, it ended up being associated with immigration, but originally

01:02:42.600 it was just to commemorate the American spirit of liberty and independence.

01:02:48.200 Right.

01:02:48.460 So, yep.

01:02:49.480 Right.

01:02:50.040 All right, I want to read a very short reading next.

01:02:52.260 This is from the same article.

01:02:53.780 This is just two paragraphs.

01:02:55.380 He goes on and he says this.

01:02:57.280 Perhaps the poet can be forgiven.

01:02:59.100 I'm not going to be so charitable.

01:03:01.460 Her experiences informed her verse, and she wrote it to advance a very specific cause.

01:03:06.020 This is true.

01:03:06.500 Yes, she did.

01:03:07.000 Yes, she did.

01:03:07.820 But we do her no injustice by deciding that the words do not serve as an ode to immigration today.

01:03:15.120 And then this is what we've just documented.

01:03:16.620 Born into a wealthy family that traced its roots to New York City's earliest Jewish residents, Lazarus was a social activist as well as an accomplished writer.

01:03:26.060 She lent a hand at the station on Wards Island where destitute immigrants were detained, and she helped set up training schools in the tenements.

01:03:34.400 When she wrote the poem in 1883, she was a prominent advocate for Jews fleeing the pogroms of imperialistic Russia.

01:03:41.340 So, already covering what we went over there.

01:03:44.400 Before we go to the break.

01:03:45.500 what jews were in imperialist russia well yes definitely the programs i mean we've both listened 0.86

01:03:52.400 to like martyr maid you know uh fear and loathing in the new jerusalem but uh yeah i mean there

01:03:58.620 were significant persecution on all ends some certainly bolsheviks but then others definitely

01:04:02.440 just fleeing right yeah but you're gonna that's the point is that some were genuinely being

01:04:08.140 persecuted and fleeing right but some we had this huge problem with sicily so little uh island off

01:04:14.580 of italy and we because of the war world war one we opened up the floodgates to immigration there

01:04:19.360 so normally there were very strict caps and quotas but during world war one we said well

01:04:22.860 if you're from sicily there's war going on you're welcome to come in do you know how all the mob 0.95

01:04:27.040 boss families ended up getting here and wrecked destruction upon our nation so like same thing 0.60

01:04:32.240 like you have a group of people and many of them i do not doubt there were christian families mothers

01:04:37.140 children their entire world that they've known has been destroyed there's nothing to go back to

01:04:41.780 and they flee to america america says there's no cap there's no quota come on in i don't doubt

01:04:46.560 there were some of those and also who came in were violent thugs that's trump's whole point

01:04:51.720 about now with exactly you know with the gangs and the trend of aragua and the ms13 and yep so

01:04:57.680 when it even like comes to her poem and everything like that like like a magistrate can say and he

01:05:01.820 does no injustice i i pity as a human being right those that perhaps are being persecuted those that

01:05:08.000 especially are innocent but at the same time we have communism on the rise we are struggling

01:05:13.940 already with our national identity i'm sorry you can't come in right no injustice no wrong no

01:05:19.720 wickedness has been done right yep i want to hit this last part of the article and then finish it

01:05:25.840 up before the next break because this traces how did the statue of liberty become the symbol of

01:05:31.440 modern immigration and this to me is what actually gets pretty interesting so i'm going to read a

01:05:35.960 couple more paragraphs from the article it says it took a long time for lady liberty and the huddled

01:05:40.400 masses to become completely intertwined most of the early mythologizing of the statue played on

01:05:46.700 its patriotic appeal not on its immigration appeal the poem written for a charity auction that raised

01:05:52.420 money for the statue's pedestal was never commercially published and got no mention at

01:05:57.360 the statue's grand opening in 1886 lazarus died a year later at the age of 38 in 1903 her friend

01:06:03.920 from New York's high society, Georgina Schuller, had the plaque made to honor Lazarus. There was

01:06:10.660 no ceremony when it was placed on a stairway landing inside the pedestal. For decades, it went

01:06:16.440 largely unnoticed, a memorial to a writer and reformer who died young rather than a defining

01:06:22.780 inscription for the statue. Immigrants arriving in New York celebrated the statue, but as John

01:06:28.840 Higgum, the great historian of American immigration, tells it,

01:06:34.500 The poem and the image of the Statue of Liberty as a symbol of welcome

01:06:38.780 gained broad currency only after the immigration ships stopped coming.

01:06:44.240 The Golden Door was slammed shut by the highly restrictive national quotas

01:06:48.340 enacted in 1924.

01:06:50.300 Then, during the Great Depression and World War II,

01:06:53.040 it became popular to herald immigrants' contributions

01:06:55.740 in the interest of national unity.

01:06:57.900 and the statue became part of the lore.

01:07:01.040 The poem was rediscovered and popularized

01:07:03.360 as part of unsuccessful campaigns

01:07:05.900 to open the United States

01:07:07.160 as a refuge for Jews fleeing Nazi Germany, 0.53

01:07:10.140 a new version of Lazarus' cause.

01:07:13.120 In 1945, with that point moot,

01:07:17.620 Schuller's plaque was moved to a prominent spot

01:07:21.120 near the pedestal's entrance.

01:07:23.340 The immigration door remained shut after the war

01:07:25.660 and the share of the population

01:07:27.180 that had been born abroad dropped to historically low levels as the Europeans who had come through

01:07:33.080 New York, Harvard, died. By 1970, the foreign-born made up less than 5% of the population,

01:07:39.740 a third of what their share had been around the turn of the century. With the newcomers arriving, 1.00

01:07:45.560 the myth-making went into full swing, and this is what to me is so interesting. Eleanor Roosevelt

01:07:51.160 quoted Lazarus in an advertisement she recorded for John F. Kennedy's presidential campaign,

01:07:56.260 And in 1965, President Lyndon B. Johnson used the Statue of Liberty as a backdrop when he signed legislation that increased immigration from countries most disadvantaged under the old quota system.

01:08:09.020 The apex of Lazarus' vision came with the statue's centennial in 1986, a massively commercialized four-year fundraising campaign collected more than $270 million to restore both the statue and Ellis Island, linking the two more than ever before.

01:08:24.540 at the grand event on liberty weekend president ronald reagan spoke of his belief that the quote

01:08:31.380 divine provident that divine providence had made the united states a home for a special kind of

01:08:36.820 people from every corner of the world who had a special love for freedom unabashed he called it 0.95

01:08:41.900 he said call it mysticism and you if you will one more here the foreign born real quick yep

01:08:47.440 common reagan yeah yep roosevelt and johnson before very common roosevelt too i have to tell

01:08:53.880 people all the time because my daughter one of my daughters is named eleanor oh i have a son named

01:08:59.600 franklin and i have to like people look at me it's time to change names oh i know they're great

01:09:05.460 names but like all my you know right-wing friends like i'll introduce my children you know at church

01:09:10.120 you know to a new family that's visiting i'll be like this is eleanor and this is franklin and

01:09:14.420 they'll kind of look at me and i'll be like no relation go ahead um so nate let's pull up the

01:09:19.980 quote that I had from you. This is the quote from Austin Bramwell. So in commenting on this whole

01:09:28.280 issue, writer Austin Bramwell, this is for, I forget which article now. First, he says this,

01:09:35.720 first, the peoples of the third world are not oppressed in the way that Lazarus believes the

01:09:39.260 peoples of Europe were oppressed. On the contrary, they have nearly all thrown off the yoke of the

01:09:44.220 ancient lands of Europe and set up independent governance. In other words, they're coming from

01:09:48.880 independent nations they have no need for america because they are already free second they are not

01:09:54.820 homeless on the contrary the peoples of the third world have their own nations peoples and traditions

01:10:00.240 which they retain when they come here often with the encouragement of their home countries and so

01:10:05.840 what i really found fascinating doing the research for this was that this was not originally attached

01:10:11.340 to the statue of liberty yeah it was a political narrative mythology making process in the 70s 80s

01:10:19.320 and 90s well 70s and 80s especially to kind of justify a push to reopen immigration especially

01:10:29.060 to countries that were considered to be more disadvantaged at the time can i ask something

01:10:33.500 without everyone getting mad like freedom like is calcutta india like really that oppressive

01:10:39.500 like day to day is the average ordinary citizen like he's given a diet with two options like no

01:10:45.160 opportunity for work and we say this all the time like well they're here for freedom like is nigeria

01:10:49.660 really like not that free all right just in my mind i there are certainly places with totalitarian

01:10:55.600 rule and a great example would be north korea but these people broadly that we're speaking about

01:10:59.680 that are coming here and we're using this language or taping it over with liberty and freedom and all

01:11:03.520 these things i don't feel like they're actually leaving places that are in and of themselves

01:11:07.620 authoritarian and restricted they're leaving places that are not prosperous exactly they're

01:11:12.580 not leaving them right i hear from missionaries all the time uh talking about um african countries

01:11:20.440 you know where they've done mission work or talking about you know in asia or different

01:11:24.360 places in south america and they're like there's a ton of opportunity because there's literally

01:11:30.200 like quantitatively more freedom there's not all the regulation and red tape there's not a lot of

01:11:36.360 regulation exactly you can just you can just equipment you can just build engineering like

01:11:40.760 you know like you can just build something you don't have to get all these permits you don't

01:11:43.800 have there's not all the red tape uh so and they said like there's actually like a lot of americans

01:11:47.860 who are moving you know to this place or to this place or to this place and setting up shop and

01:11:51.600 building you know whether it's a resort or or it's this or it's that you know and set it like

01:11:56.040 there's there's there is literally more freedom more freedom um people are not moving to america

01:12:03.320 from these countries for freedom they're moving to america to take what has been produced already

01:12:09.860 by americans because the place they're leaving is oppressive no because it's poor right that's

01:12:14.900 what it is there is in india there's the caste system and if you're part of the lower caste

01:12:19.840 it's horrible but those are not the people who are immigrating here because they can't they don't

01:12:23.600 have the opportunity to do it second what people let's let's take a hard-working person that comes

01:12:31.700 here to build what they gain in america that they don't have back home is the good chance that if

01:12:39.200 they build something it's not just going to kind of come in and be stolen by some politician or

01:12:43.580 gang like so there is opportunity but the security the law-abiding culture that you that the u.s has

01:12:49.440 traditionally had is actually not present in a lot of places and so someone could build something

01:12:53.780 but if you can't afford the security or if you're not a u.s investor with a security team or greasing

01:12:58.820 the palms of the politicians locally there is a sense where you could build and the very next day

01:13:04.240 it'll be that's true less regulation yeah but also less protection but that's not freedom to your

01:13:09.260 point west and i think of the example of china for example china is very pro-censorship like

01:13:13.520 there's stories about its genesis its founding all these like they just they're not allowed to

01:13:17.680 know so there are certainly real countries where people will look across to america where you can

01:13:22.360 say and criticize the government where you can keep your wages most certainly there are millions

01:13:26.760 of people like that who are looking across but of those that we're dealing with the examples i gave

01:13:31.160 typically we're not looking at those type of governments many many ways because they're

01:13:36.160 actually they're not very technologically advanced a lot of the mythology was built

01:13:40.440 when there were um very oppressive dictatorships in central american countries communism was

01:13:47.320 setting up a footstep or a on our doorstep in cuba and the dominican republic several other

01:13:54.780 various uh central american countries there was very oppressive forms of government in the 50s

01:14:02.260 60s 40s and so part of the mythology that was crafted through the statue of liberty

01:14:07.160 was in a time where we did actually have some fairly near neighbors who were living actually

01:14:12.580 in a situation where um freedom as we're saying now even of going out and starting a business

01:14:18.340 largely it was it was quite difficult what we have to recognize is we are living in different

01:14:23.900 times and people are coming for different reasons that's right than they were before we used to have

01:14:27.060 settlers now we have immigrants yep times have changed we need to recognize that and honestly

01:14:32.660 that's that's part of i think properly understanding politics is um it's not ideology it's not timeless

01:14:40.140 you know one size fits all for all times and all places ideology that you can just just do this

01:14:45.300 um know that the realm of the political takes in into account the circumstances right um this

01:14:52.220 this was working. Now the context has changed, and so now we need to adapt, or we need a different

01:14:58.680 set of laws, or we need a different strategy, because we have different people. We have this,

01:15:02.900 we have that. Even, and people hate this, but like, this applies to everything, even

01:15:09.140 the Constitution. This does not apply to the immutable moral laws of God. Those are timeless,

01:15:16.960 but in terms of of how they're particularly applied to a people in a place in a time

01:15:23.320 such as the american constitution right like i i know at this point it's ad nauseum quoted again

01:15:30.500 and again and again but just in case any of our listeners right now think i'm you know what i'm

01:15:34.700 saying is heresy um and i've never heard the quote um the the constitution was was written and created

01:15:41.980 for a moral and upright people, religious and moral people, and is wholly unfit for any other,

01:15:48.020 John Adams. The Constitution, even that mold of government, a self-governed republic,

01:15:57.960 a constitutional self-governed republic, what that assumes and presupposes is a people who are fit

01:16:06.660 for self-governance right right we currently no longer have those people right i mean i don't i'm

01:16:12.200 not saying we don't have them at all i think some people are uh but we are not a nation we're

01:16:16.940 across the board yeah we're not characterized by that anymore we're characterized by mobs of people

01:16:22.960 raiding cvs pharmacies amazon delivery trucks and amazon delivery trucks and breaking out into

01:16:29.060 brawls in you know every high school is has is honestly has more um more fights and and is

01:16:37.640 arguably more dangerous than a lot of prisons right um that we because you have unruly people

01:16:44.060 who are not capable of self-governance uh one day maybe we can aspire towards that again but we

01:16:50.840 always forget that our constitutional republic of self-governance um that that it doesn't just

01:16:57.180 appear magically out of the ether. It's not in a vacuum. It is sitting on top of a millennium

01:17:07.220 of monarchy, of pretty strict rule, pretty strict rule where pagans were shaped and formed by the

01:17:19.480 gospel into Christians, and then with kings and lords. They are then further shaped and tutored

01:17:27.900 by the law of God. That's one of the functions of the law. It's a mirror. It reveals to us the

01:17:32.300 holiness of God, and by way of consequence, reveals our sinfulness and our need for a Savior.

01:17:37.000 The law of God doesn't save, but it's a mirror that shows us our need for Christ. Charles Spurgeon,

01:17:42.080 a man cannot appreciate the beauty of Christ unless he first comes to see the need for Christ.

01:17:45.660 That's the first use. The third use of the law is that it's a guide, a compass. It's a lamp unto

01:17:51.040 thy feet, as David says, a light unto our path. So, for the Christian who already is now converted,

01:17:57.980 the law first reveals his sin and need for conversion, need for Christ. The first use, 0.88

01:18:02.760 mirror. Third use, compass, guide. Upon being saved, the law then shows us the path to salvation. No,

01:18:11.240 from being saved, it shows us the path from salvation. Now that I am saved, not by my works

01:18:16.660 of obedience to the law, but by Christ's perfect finished obedience on my behalf that was received

01:18:21.540 fully as an act of grace and faith being merely the empty hand that lays hold of that grace.

01:18:27.780 Now that I am a Christian, the law doesn't show me how to be saved, where to go to be saved,

01:18:32.100 but it shows me how to respond for the free salvation I've already received. 1 John 4, 19,

01:18:37.700 We love because he first loved us. So, because God loved us freely in the gospel, in Christ,

01:18:43.000 we now cannot help but love him in return. And because we love him, the first question that

01:18:48.000 that raises, if we love him, is, well, God, how can I show you and demonstrate my love for you?

01:18:56.180 And Jesus answers this question by saying, obey my commandments. And so, the law comes back in.

01:19:00.320 So, that's the first, the bookends, the first and the third use of the law, mirror and a compass.

01:19:03.920 In the middle, you have tutor and shield, tutor and shield. The second use of God's law is that

01:19:11.360 the law of God, insofar as it's legislated and enforced by the civil magistrate among a particular

01:19:18.440 society, then the law of God works as a shield, restraining evil of the heart? No, right? Total

01:19:25.280 depravity still remains intact, but it does restrain as a shield outward manifestations of

01:19:32.200 evil, evil actions, that more would murder if it wasn't for laws against murder, and enforcing

01:19:38.080 those laws through the proper sphere, the civil magistrate. So, it restrains outward manifestations

01:19:44.100 of evil, shield, and then also functions as a tutor, the pedagogical function of the law,

01:19:48.800 that it shapes and teaches the people. Again, it doesn't convert, the gospel converts, 0.55

01:19:56.460 But what it does is it, over time, this doesn't happen in 15 minutes, but over generations, righteous laws being applied with prudence and wisdom by the civil magistrate begin to shape the consciences of the people to make them more acutely aware of what is moral and what is immoral.

01:20:16.560 And then that understanding of intrinsic morality, again, doesn't save people, but sets the proper backdrop for the gospel preachers and the church to do its ministry, word and sacrament, grace, ministry of mercy, gospel, to where now the gospel doesn't fall on deaf ears of people who are already self-righteous, but it falls on the ears of people who have been trained and tutored by the law of God to recognize that in themselves,

01:20:42.720 even if their law abiding in their outward actions, that their hearts are still wicked and evil

01:20:47.580 because they have evil desires that breach the law. And therefore, they're aware of their need

01:20:52.600 for Christ. And so, now the gospel is coming on much more fertile soil. And so, it's hand in

01:20:59.800 glove. It works in tandem. The civil magistrate with the church, the state and the church working

01:21:04.920 together, not the state being the church, not the church being the state, but still working together

01:21:09.800 without this severing that we've kind of invented, there is some overflap and flow

01:21:16.580 back and forth where they work together, gospel and law, law and gospel. And the point is with

01:21:23.480 all this, that over time, that with strict laws and with kings and monarchs and these kinds of

01:21:31.760 and feudal lord systems and all this kind of stuff, then over generations, over a thousand

01:21:36.900 years over a millennium from King Alfred all the way to present day, then yes, that eventually

01:21:42.880 trained the populace. And even then, it wasn't all of England. It was some, some people who were

01:21:50.140 the most responsible, the most fit, the most endeavoring. They took upon themselves the risk

01:21:58.360 of life and limb to cross the ocean, to go to a place that was unsettled with nothing that was

01:22:03.280 waiting for them and those people were um were fit for self-governance in a constitutional republic

01:22:10.300 right look at america today watch tiktok videos and tell me that that our current population

01:22:17.300 is fit for that kind of governance when i see people trashing movie theater you know what i

01:22:23.060 think man i want these people voting i need them picking my my mayor my city council no of course

01:22:30.280 not yeah so we just we have to keep these things in mind um right nation of immigrants no a nation

01:22:36.740 of settlers and their posterity yes um but but we've got a long road right now to get back to

01:22:45.420 that and uh a lot of people um have to be returned to their their home of origin and that's not

01:22:52.760 inhumane it's you have to go back home but then there are also a lot of people who have no home

01:22:57.640 to go back to this is the only home they have heritage americans and for them um they need to

01:23:04.040 then put things back into order and become a moral and upright religious people once again

01:23:10.100 christianity needs to win the day i i i am confident that secular humanism is dying right

01:23:17.660 i am not confident that christianity is winning right i am confident as a post-millennial that

01:23:23.700 Christianity will eventually win. But there's a return to nature right now, because things are

01:23:32.180 out of order, and nature abhors a vacuum, and the left has overplayed its hand. And so people are

01:23:40.400 saying, no, this is ridiculous. We're going back. So the rubber band is snapping back. Nature is 0.87

01:23:46.200 healing, as the kids say. Nature is healing, and it's healing fast. And that's great. However,

01:23:52.160 However, it's worth keeping in mind that there is more than just one worldview, at the risk

01:24:00.540 of Dr. Stephen Wolfe getting upset with me for using the word, but there's more than

01:24:04.500 just one set of principles, belief system, that adheres to natural order.

01:24:12.120 Christianity works well with nature, because it's the religion of the God who made nature. 0.58

01:24:17.720 but um islam adheres to nature paganism actually adheres to nature secular humanism is the 0.89

01:24:27.980 abhorition that's the misnomer and it it's quickly sprung up and it's quickly dying um the vacuum

01:24:35.180 will be filled but i'm just i'm just letting people know the listener you need to be aware

01:24:39.580 of this if you think that secular humanism dying that that guarantees that christianity will fill

01:24:45.700 its place, you've got another thing coming. You've got another thing coming.

01:24:50.580 Or at least a robust Christianity. It could have a Christianity in name.

01:24:54.100 A Christian skin suit, just like secular humanism did. 0.85

01:24:57.420 But be nothing but Nietzschean vitalism. 0.97

01:24:59.660 Liberalism has been walking around in a Christian skin suit for centuries, but it's not robust 0.82

01:25:05.520 Christianity. It's not historic Christianity. And so, too, paganism could have some little, 0.75

01:25:10.460 you know, because we've never really experienced post-Christian paganism. So, I bet a post-Christian 0.99

01:25:15.680 and paganism would maintain some of the language and vernacular and veneer of Christianity.

01:25:24.160 But my point is, Christianity is not the default.

01:25:29.260 Nature is the default, and Christianity, I think, best pairs with nature, because Christianity

01:25:34.860 is the religion of the God who made nature.

01:25:38.920 But there is a return to nature, secular humanism is dying, and Christianity will ultimately 0.60

01:25:45.440 win the day, but it may not immediately win the day. There may be a phase, whether it be a decade 0.86

01:25:51.580 or a century or half a millennia in between secular humanism and Christianity eventually

01:25:57.420 winning. And that could be Islam, that could be some weird kind of pagan hybrid that could,

01:26:03.920 you know, a Darwinian, just raw naturalism based in science, you know, and that has no

01:26:09.640 religious affiliation whatsoever. But the point is, right now, things are in flux and our nation

01:26:19.360 is chaotic. There are many white pills to go around of things that are hopeful, but there are

01:26:27.600 very little guarantees currently at this juncture. And we just need to be aware that

01:26:33.960 my whole point in bringing this up is the idea of the political is not, true politics is not

01:26:43.940 ideology. It's not ideology. Ideologues make bad politicians. It's not just one size fits all

01:26:53.080 always for anyone, anywhere, at any time. So this constitutional republic, I just want to be clear,

01:27:00.080 i like it i would even be willing to say that it might be the the optimal ideal best form of

01:27:08.580 government but if it is and i'm inclined to say it is if it is the optimal ideal best form of

01:27:16.560 government and not a raw democracy that crept in later but what the founders intended a

01:27:21.640 constitutional representative you know republic if that is the ideal form of government um it is

01:27:28.720 sitting on top of a millennia of monarchy that shaped people to make them capable of that kind

01:27:35.660 of government. And we don't have those people, not anymore. All right, let's go to our last

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01:30:00.240 bit of some of the costs of, this is specifically illegal immigration. So we are all aware that the

01:30:07.820 The financial picture and the situation is much broader than just illegal immigration,

01:30:13.540 but some of those numbers are hard to get.

01:30:16.320 And at least illegal immigration, the costs of it have been tracked pretty well.

01:30:20.400 So, Nate, let's put up that first chart.

01:30:24.660 This is what kinds of households in the United States are using welfare.

01:30:30.820 Okay, so the percentage is of that group of people, so U.S.-born legal immigrants or illegal immigrants, what percentage of the households headed by someone of that status is using these kinds of welfare?

01:30:46.180 So, for instance, any welfare at all, 39% of U.S.-born households are using welfare.

01:30:52.500 59% of illegal immigrant households are using welfare.

01:30:55.980 And so you can see that across the board, there are a few cases where illegal immigrants are using less than legal immigrants.

01:31:05.120 But part of that is just because it's based on legal resident status here.

01:31:09.880 For anyone listening, it's a small amount.

01:31:11.280 It's like 5% lower in cash, 1% in housing.

01:31:14.160 So for any welfare, it's 59% of illegal homes are using it, 52% of legal homes, and then 39% of U.S.-born homes.

01:31:24.120 Food, this is food stamps.

01:31:25.980 48% of illegal homes are using food stamps. 0.96

01:31:29.400 34% of legal immigrant homes are using food stamps. 0.71

01:31:33.800 And then a quarter, 25% of U.S.-born homes are using food stamps.

01:31:39.740 This is really interesting.

01:31:42.440 Nate, let's go to the next quote, the one about American taxpayers shelled out a certain amount of money.

01:31:49.280 so this is um this says american taxpayers shelled out more than 150 billion dollars on

01:31:55.720 immigrants in the u.s illegally illegal immigration in 2023 alone the department of government

01:32:00.960 efficiency estimates newsweek reported that if accurate 150.7 billion dollars spent on illegal

01:32:07.880 immigration would rival the 151 billion that the government spent in 2023 to provide income

01:32:14.600 security programs to military veterans and their families in 2023 so in 2023 alone just on reported

01:32:21.980 illegal immigration uh benefits it was almost exactly what we are paying to veteran um security

01:32:30.280 programs security programs yeah yeah um which is kind of crazy um it just tells you something

01:32:36.680 about priorities here's the white pill there's not many in those stats but imagine the prosperity 0.89

01:32:41.520 49 percent of homes that are headed by an illegal immigrant yeah 49 are receiving welfare yeah just 0.88

01:32:48.660 imagine the prosperity and all of that drops yep to zero yep same thing like 150 billion dollars

01:32:53.740 like all the taxes that you felt have been so burdensome it's funny we always hate government

01:32:58.000 but i've said as people like what if government was read by was run by high caliber men like we

01:33:03.700 hate it right now because it's bloated and all these different things what a government was

01:33:07.300 efficient it was run by men that were highly competent i feel like we wouldn't hate it as

01:33:11.460 much our taxes would be much lower because we're not shelling out for all these programs government

01:33:14.820 is not inherently evil nope it has been evil in our lifetime in many ways run by a lot of

01:33:21.140 incompetent people right yes but what if well and it wasn't and and not just the amount that you

01:33:25.320 would save in taxes um also imagine like all all of you millennials in gen z are like i'm never

01:33:31.380 going to be able to own a home imagine uh what would happen to the housing market in terms of

01:33:35.880 affordability if a bunch of houses all of a sudden were available like it's it's simple supply and

01:33:41.920 demand right um if if 30 you know 40 million people go back and and a lot of that just for

01:33:50.460 the record is just changing the laws stopping uh the cash handouts a lot of people will self-deport

01:33:56.280 so a lot of people just go back illegal for sure they need to they need to be sent back but then

01:34:02.780 even legal immigrants who have only been here for, you know, five years or 10 years or something

01:34:07.180 like that, a lot of them would self-deport. And if the grand total is that ends up being over the

01:34:15.040 next decade, you know, if you get Trump for four years, then you get eight more years advance or

01:34:19.100 whatever it is, you know, 12 years, if 30 million people, now 50 would be awesome, but let's say

01:34:24.540 30 million people end up, you know, either self-deporting or being deported, it's not just

01:34:30.320 what you save in terms of what you pay on taxes. But it's also all of a sudden, that many homes

01:34:36.300 going on the market. Now there's more supply than there is demand prices begin to drop.

01:34:42.100 People who already own a home are fine. And many of them could refinance as as interest rates

01:34:48.580 eventually start to come down, which I think they will. Inflation, I understand that there's, you

01:34:53.780 know, you know, I'm reading a lot of these were put the CPI and PPI and consumer data and all

01:34:58.820 these different things. This is my prediction. This is a prediction. I can't promise you anything,

01:35:03.900 but I think that the Fed right now, there's a battle between Jerome Powell and Trump.

01:35:08.540 Jerome Powell doesn't like being pushed and told what to do. And Trump tells everyone what to do.

01:35:12.080 And I think Trump happens to be right. But inevitably, what I think is going to happen

01:35:16.280 is the Fed is going to send us into a recession if he doesn't cut rates. He's going to eventually

01:35:23.600 cut rates. He's going to probably cut them later than he should. But I think we're going to get

01:35:27.940 more rate cuts than what the Fed is currently signaling. I think we'll get more, at least three,

01:35:33.600 because recently he's, you know, signaled like one and maybe two. And then we're talking about

01:35:37.660 25 basis points, you know, a quarter of a percentage. I think we're going to get a lot

01:35:42.800 more than that because Trump, he's probably going to, you know, Trump barks a little bit more than

01:35:47.680 he bites. That's part of his leadership, you know, art of the deal and those kinds of things. And I

01:35:51.680 think it actually ends up being successful most of the time. I don't have a problem with that,

01:35:55.920 But as that applies to his tariff threats, right, April 2nd is coming.

01:36:01.120 I think Trump, even now, is addressing tariffs on automobiles and those kinds of things this

01:36:06.660 afternoon after the market closed.

01:36:08.360 And I think we'll find out even just in the next week, especially because April 2nd, I

01:36:12.160 believe, is next Wednesday.

01:36:14.140 What we're going to find out is tariffs, which I think actually is a good strategy for lowering

01:36:19.840 taxes on Native Americans and the rest of the world not getting free lunch all the time 0.98

01:36:25.280 and just benefiting off of America

01:36:26.760 with us getting nothing in return.

01:36:28.920 Terrorists will probably not be as severe.

01:36:31.860 And that's part of the news

01:36:33.760 that I think will come back in.

01:36:34.980 Inflation, I think, actually is stalling

01:36:36.880 and will do much better.

01:36:38.620 Yeah, there have been some signs of that.

01:36:41.460 Consumers is drying up a little bit.

01:36:44.640 And so those are some of the early signs of recession

01:36:46.560 that the Fed is starting to signal

01:36:48.040 and economists are like,

01:36:49.360 we may have a recession.

01:36:50.240 But that's going to put more pressure on the Fed

01:36:52.940 to slash the rates

01:36:54.900 and so with with rate cuts and these things my point is if if over the next 12 years we get um

01:37:01.100 mass deportations and a lot of them self-deportations because of changing laws and no

01:37:06.680 more free money and some rate cuts with potentially i think there is the potential of historically low

01:37:12.920 rates again then you're talking about people who are in homes it's like well i just lost

01:37:17.520 two hundred thousand dollars of equity well great um you can refinance at a lower rate

01:37:22.880 your mortgage was already great if you bought your house you know anytime up until 2021 right

01:37:28.620 um so you're fine it just benefits everybody else so you don't get to maybe you don't get to move

01:37:33.760 for a few years as you wait you know and you're going to be okay because you already own a home

01:37:39.800 i'm speaking as a homeowner right now i would rather lose two hundred thousand dollars of

01:37:45.820 imaginary money equity that i can't use one way or the other if it frees up if it means that my

01:37:52.420 house is worth you know two hundred thousand dollars instead of four hundred thousand dollars

01:37:57.000 for the foreseeable future and i like my house and i just stay put with my family and maybe a

01:38:03.560 year from now even refinance and get a cheaper mortgage with the interest rates and and then

01:38:08.640 a bunch of people in my church who don't own homes can finally own a home that is that is you talk

01:38:13.500 about america first that's a win for your fellow americans and so i i think that there's a lot of

01:38:18.560 hope with these kinds of things. But it does necessitate. A lot of people have to leave.

01:38:24.260 And I only point that out because of the chart and saying, economically, it's not just, hey, 0.99

01:38:30.360 if these illegal immigrants and immigrants stop getting a free handout, then we don't have to pay 0.99

01:38:34.220 $151 billion annually in taxes. It's not just that your taxes shrink. You combine that with tariffs, 1.00

01:38:41.580 your taxes shrink even more. You combine that with self-deportations, and there's simply being

01:38:46.500 more supply than demand on the housing market. And now principles are dropping too. You combine

01:38:51.980 that also with inflation starting to cool and the Fed cutting rates. Trump likes to talk a little

01:38:59.560 bit bigger than things sometimes turn out to be. But I think he's probably embellishing some in

01:39:05.120 typical Trump fashion. But I don't think it's a pipe dream. I think he is generally correct

01:39:10.740 when he says, when he tweets out things like,

01:39:14.540 you have no idea how much prosperity

01:39:17.320 and how rich America is going to be in the near future.

01:39:21.040 And we're not talking 50 years.

01:39:22.620 In just a few short years,

01:39:24.320 things could, it really could be economically

01:39:27.920 a golden age for America.

01:39:29.680 There's a lot of things to be hopeful for.

01:39:31.760 Okay.

01:39:32.160 I want to close with just, Nate,

01:39:33.400 this is going to be the last quote that I gave you.

01:39:35.380 So I'm skipping to the last one.

01:39:36.520 And this is from the House Budget Committee.

01:39:41.400 This is a testimony that was given to them in 2024 on the cost, again, of immigration and illegal immigration.

01:39:51.500 And to me, this one kind of sums up where we are.

01:39:55.660 Because the reality is that the mythology that has been built up around the Statue of Liberty, it matters for a lot of reasons.

01:40:02.100 But one of the reasons it matters is exactly what you're talking about there, Joel, is

01:40:05.600 the financial cost and drag that it causes on the country.

01:40:09.960 And so this was from last, just last year, presented to the House of Representatives.

01:40:15.760 The fiscal situation today is very different from the situation more than 100 years ago

01:40:20.480 during the last great wave of immigrants when federal, state, and local government was a 0.90

01:40:25.260 much smaller share of GDP.

01:40:27.420 Also, at that time, industrial jobs for the less educated were plentiful and paid, by the standards of the day, relatively high wages.

01:40:35.420 But none of this is the case today.

01:40:38.020 We need an immigration policy that reflects current realities, and we need to rigorously enforce it.

01:40:44.100 Otherwise, the fiscal costs will be significant, understatement, as many communities across the country are currently finding out. 0.79

01:40:52.760 So, there's a lot of reasons for it.

01:40:54.940 That's just the classic principle of mess around, find out. 0.83

01:40:59.180 Sounds like $500 billion more to Israel.

01:41:00.800 That's what it sounds like for me.

01:41:01.900 That's all my work.

01:41:03.280 Unfortunately, Wes, you're not wrong.

01:41:05.260 Good night.

01:41:06.360 Are we ready for Super Chats?

01:41:07.920 Yep, we're ready.

01:41:08.420 Okay, let's do this quick.

01:41:09.880 We don't have time today for questions.

01:41:11.760 We've got some other things that are coming up, but we always want to take a moment and

01:41:15.120 honor the Super Chats. 0.58

01:41:16.140 If you're listening right here at the end, be aware that we do our best to get to the

01:41:20.240 questions in pretty much every episode.

01:41:22.420 And we do three live streams every week.

01:41:24.940 We usually address just about, I don't think I'm wrong, Nathan, you correct me if I'm wrong,

01:41:30.260 but I think, don't we address like 80, 90% of every single question, not super chats,

01:41:34.920 but just questions.

01:41:37.460 We hit a lot of them.

01:41:38.600 We hit a lot of them.

01:41:39.240 So well over half, well over half, 80, 90% of every single question.

01:41:44.380 But our policy is we will not receive a single super chat that we don't say publicly on air.

01:41:52.820 And that's because we want to honor you guys.

01:41:55.380 Unless it's vulgar or not fit to read.

01:41:58.060 Yeah, exactly.

01:41:59.380 Disclaimer.

01:42:00.080 Yeah, and so I'll just give you that warning right now.

01:42:02.440 You send us a $100 super chat, but it's something that we can't read.

01:42:07.700 I'm sorry you just wasted $100.

01:42:09.480 So that one's on you.

01:42:10.980 Thank you for the $100, but no, we can't read your terrible thing publicly online.

01:42:17.200 But my point is just to say that we try to do questions whether you give us a Super Chat or not.

01:42:23.100 But the Super Chats do take priority because these are people who are supporting our ministry.

01:42:28.480 And we really appreciate you.

01:42:29.500 So thank you to Rubicon.

01:42:30.780 That's the first one.

01:42:31.960 Super Chat for $5 from Rubicon.

01:42:34.480 He says, I blame Boomer, IFB, SBC, so Independent, Fundamental Baptist, and Southern Baptist Convention.

01:42:42.360 Those types with hard, dispy views.

01:42:46.300 so a hard dispensationalism.

01:42:48.800 They've spent most of their sermons

01:42:50.520 preaching against dance halls and booze

01:42:53.760 and prof on Israel Ruckman teaching.

01:43:00.680 Prof would stand for what?

01:43:02.620 Prophesying?

01:43:03.920 Oh yeah, prophecy.

01:43:05.760 And prophecy, yeah, that's what it is.

01:43:07.920 So they're preaching against dance halls and booze.

01:43:10.840 That's a classic Baptist sermon right now.

01:43:12.680 Yeah, that is.

01:43:13.240 and then they're focusing on red heifers and prophecy with Israel in their dispensationalism. 0.94

01:43:23.060 That's absolutely true. There are a lot of problems that have come from that. You're right. 0.97

01:43:27.000 Thank you, Rubicon. This is from Jeremy Kearns. Jeremy Kearns, $5 super chat, very kind. He says,

01:43:33.980 really excited to come out to the conference next week. Going to be a blast and we better have

01:43:40.500 some beer and psalms. Jeremy, thank you so much. We're excited to see you. Please introduce

01:43:45.800 yourself. We would love to meet you. And there's going to be a lot of things, a lot of hangouts.

01:43:52.100 We've tried to schedule in time every single evening and those kinds of things.

01:43:58.600 There's going to be a good time with the boys. We'll put it that way. There's going to be some

01:44:01.820 good time. We actually are going to, we have a special custom right response Christ is King

01:44:08.680 cigar that uh that we have that we're going to be selling at the conference nathan what we have

01:44:14.380 like 600 cigars okay so here's the deal i'm just going to shoot you guys straight 0.94

01:44:19.120 if you don't buy these cigars i'm dead you're dead i'm dead no yeah that's that's what i'm 0.79

01:44:26.340 saying look we have 600 cigars and about a thousand people coming to the conference 0.74

01:44:29.880 if you do not buy these cigars and i come home with 300 cigars then wes michael and myself

01:44:38.420 um this ministry will not be able to continue because we your home value will drop not because

01:44:43.080 of interest rates but because it's going to be like this is going to be straight up c.s lewis

01:44:49.280 style like a study where like the ceiling was black from all of his pipe smoke um so as a

01:44:54.840 as a ministry to us and to our health and longevity of life um you guys got to buy the

01:45:00.860 scars and we're going to give you a great deal on them in fact um i'm thinking about we'll probably

01:45:05.540 sell them individually but we're also we're planning on giving like a super duper like way

01:45:11.700 cheaper than even the early bird special um for every that's just available for those who are in

01:45:16.640 person you mean for the next year for the next conference yep so we actually have already settled

01:45:20.720 the venue and settled the dates and so we're gonna we're gonna announce that at the conference

01:45:24.700 here's the place here are the dates here's the you know the the big idea of the conference

01:45:29.560 and then we're gonna um we're gonna say if you if you register this weekend here while you're here

01:45:35.600 um if you go and register for the conference it's going to be this incredible price cheaper than

01:45:40.620 we've ever ever done before um and i think i'm also going to throw in uh if you just show on

01:45:46.380 your phone that you registered uh then you can go in the back and get a crisis king um cigar for

01:45:52.540 free there you go and then uh and then the rest will sell for 10 but but anyways the point is

01:45:56.240 there's going to be a lot of downtime, a lot of hanging out.

01:45:58.780 All right, another one from Jerry.

01:45:59.620 No, no, no, hold on.

01:46:00.620 Go ahead.

01:46:01.280 The deal about if you buy a cigar,

01:46:04.200 you are automatically entered into a raffle to win the coffee sit-down.

01:46:08.840 That's right.

01:46:09.480 Everyone who buys a cigar, not only do you get a cigar,

01:46:12.500 that's number one, but number two,

01:46:15.040 you'll have to write your name down,

01:46:17.160 so you'll go back to the booth.

01:46:18.780 It'll be right there in the main conference hall.

01:46:20.820 You'll be able to buy a cigar and write down your full name,

01:46:23.540 and all those names are going to be entered into a drawing and we're going to pick how many of them

01:46:29.400 eight ten ten ten we're going to pick ten of the names which means you can't just buy a cigar on

01:46:36.120 the last day because this has to happen faster so like first night buy a cigar write down your

01:46:41.320 full name all those names will be entered into a drawing we're going to select ten of those names

01:46:45.380 to do a special sit down coffee with me michael and wes yep the three of us get coffee with you

01:46:52.000 on Saturday morning

01:46:53.060 before the conference

01:46:54.740 kicks off Saturday morning.

01:46:55.880 So that'll be really cool too.

01:46:57.400 Okay, let's go back.

01:46:58.460 Jeremy Kearns gave us

01:46:59.280 another $5 super chat.

01:47:01.380 Wes, go ahead.

01:47:01.980 All right, Jeremy said,

01:47:02.860 what Wes is bringing up

01:47:03.820 is incredibly important.

01:47:04.960 Freedom is now licensed for sin

01:47:06.680 with leftist policies

01:47:08.060 or mooching off of heritage Americans.

01:47:10.100 Getting back to earlier, 0.83

01:47:10.940 I was saying it depends

01:47:11.780 what you mean by freedom.

01:47:12.840 Yeah.

01:47:13.060 So thanks, Jeremy.

01:47:14.580 Thank you, Jeremy. 0.98

01:47:15.080 When we beat the Soviets

01:47:17.300 in the Cold War, 0.96

01:47:18.400 largely we beat them

01:47:19.600 because we were offering

01:47:20.540 rock and roll and free love yeah like in many ways that was you know like we had denim and i

01:47:27.620 mean yep in north korea like denim is like even seen as like well that's capitalist and that's

01:47:31.940 like wicked so i mean who wouldn't want to live in a world where like oh at least i can pick the

01:47:35.420 type of jeans i wear yep but all right uh last one jeff halfley good good old faithful jeff thank

01:47:41.820 you jeff uh five dollar super chat uh he says in most evangelical circles sanctification can most

01:47:49.320 accurately be described as mastering the art of testosterone suppression so that's absolutely

01:47:55.540 right and it's not just in evangelical circles which is bad enough because you wouldn't expect 0.63

01:48:00.360 that in churches uh but it's the same thing in schools um little boys are not just taught but

01:48:06.440 they're drugged to um to mimic the behavioral patterns of little girls adderall and ritalin

01:48:16.160 Yeah. I mean, you can look at the statistics. How many girls are on Adderall and Ritalin by comparison to the boys? We have determined as a society in total, both our churches and our schools and our workplaces at every single level, we have determined as a society that we're going to penalize masculinity, that masculinity is a vice.

01:48:42.580 Energy, ambition, aggression. 0.60

01:48:44.480 yeah that feminism is a virtue um where what we should be saying is femininity not a feminacy 1.00

01:48:51.680 feminine traits in a man but femininity a woman who is feminine that that's a virtue

01:48:57.520 and masculinity masculinity in a man that that's a virtue um but but we have not done that for a

01:49:04.940 very long time we want people drugged we want them um placated placated yeah because let's be

01:49:12.780 honest they're easier to govern yep restrained right young men who are zealous and and uh and

01:49:18.540 who have not been uh doped up and restrained and long housed and all those uh they can be a little

01:49:23.880 bit difficult at times to pastor i have pastor and be citizens too yeah they might actually get

01:49:29.600 you in trouble they might actually even have some views um where where other pastors on the other

01:49:36.860 side of the world might try to take, take you down in your ministry. Um, like that would never

01:49:44.880 happen. That's too far. But, uh, no, like that, but the reality is, is that, um, it's not just

01:49:53.620 the state. That's what I'm trying to say. I'm just agreeing with Jeff. He's a hundred percent

01:49:57.540 correct. Um, evangelical churches fit the mold, um, at every level, whether it's, um, the teacher's

01:50:03.940 union and schools, or whether it's politicians with the state, or whether it's the hackling

01:50:10.600 hens of HR in corporate America, or whether it's the pastors and the true elders of every

01:50:18.100 complementarian church, the pastor's wives, the shadow elders, in every single place,

01:50:25.320 politically, ecclesiastically, academically, and corporately with business, in every single

01:50:33.640 place, we are placating men to make them more easily pliable, that they would be malleable,

01:50:42.280 that they would be placated and easier to govern. That's literally what it is, easier to govern.

01:50:48.460 And we don't want that. We want dangerous men. We want those men to be virtuous and righteous,

01:50:54.060 and they will have to be corrected at times. But there's a difference in correcting a young, 0.55

01:51:00.100 zealous man versus hamstringing him there's there's quite a difference last one michael you

01:51:07.140 want to read this cameron stevenson thank you very much very generous 20 super chat cheers to

01:51:12.460 andrew and cj for being featured on tucker's show wait i thought christian nationalism was dead

01:51:17.080 back from the dead that's right there's one other question i think from uh soli deo glora music and

01:51:22.880 they just asked about the book club um what are you guys reading and that's something we thought

01:51:27.040 about we may do it maybe as a full episode sometime maybe even as a patreon exclusive but

01:51:31.840 definitely want to do exactly that bring a stack of books and say this is how i read so i take in

01:51:35.680 information because i think that's a great question yep and i learned a lot of my reading habits from

01:51:39.580 other people who read better than i do cool all right thanks guys for tuning in god bless you we

01:51:44.200 will see you on friday uh at 3 p.m central time yep

01:51:57.040 Thank you.

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