The NXR Podcast - THE LIVESTREAM - Israel, Palestine, & The Protests At Columbia ｜ Why Conservatives Always Lose

00:00:00.000 Over the past few weeks, we have seen protests against Israel erupting all over college campuses.

00:00:09.640 The left is determined to destroy the left, but not if the right has something to say about it.

00:00:15.220 Rest assured, the GOP and evangelicals will do everything they can to step in with your tax

00:00:21.580 dollars to save the progressive universities from the progressives. When you were locked in your

00:00:27.460 home and half of the country was in flames with BLM riots, we were all told to just let our 0.90

00:00:33.200 American heritage burn. But vitriol targeting leftist universities and Israel will not be

00:00:39.640 tolerated. This is where we draw the line. Once again, we can count on conservatives to work

00:00:45.520 tirelessly to clutch defeat from the jaws of victory.

00:00:57.460 All right. Well, welcome back to another Wednesday live stream.

00:01:02.600 Good to be back here with you guys.

00:01:03.820 So we've seen now, I believe the protest started on April 17th at Columbia University.

00:01:09.140 They've spread now to pretty much all major campuses here in the U.S.

00:01:13.040 And what they're protesting for, just to take a step back and get a sense for what the actual demands of the student are,

00:01:18.160 students are, and why the university won't give in.

00:01:20.820 What's really at stake here, and Michael, you were educating us a little bit before that this has been going on for a while,

00:01:25.740 is that many universities and non-profits have an endowment. So this would be kind of a glorified

00:01:30.420 savings account. So Columbia University, in this case, their endowment is something to the tune

00:01:34.720 of $13 billion. Now this endowment is invested. It's not just sitting in a bank account, but it's

00:01:40.200 invested in stocks, in bonds, invested in different companies, private equity, et cetera, managed

00:01:45.720 often by some type of financial advisor, financial advisory group. So there's a lot of money. I think

00:01:51.100 the total is somewhere around 800 to 900 billion dollars is the worth of all of the endowments of

00:01:56.160 all universities across the United States. Some of the companies that these endowments are invested

00:02:00.860 in would be companies that would profit from war. Raytheon would be an example. Boeing, Lockheed

00:02:06.120 Martin, manufactured ballistics, weapons, jets, tanks, different things that would be sold that

00:02:10.880 would certainly be used by the U.S. military, by military contracts, but may also see use in places

00:02:16.240 like Israel or places like Ukraine as they're sold there. So the demand of students as they

00:02:21.080 protest at these different universities is that the university itself divest from their endowment

00:02:25.960 fund any of these groups, not just that would profit from war, although certainly those,

00:02:30.540 but also from companies related to Israel. So the demand of students is that by investing in

00:02:34.740 companies that are maybe based in or headquartered in Israel, by investing in companies that profit

00:02:39.980 from war, you're perpetuating genocide. You're contributing to, you're putting the guns in the 0.71

00:02:45.960 hands, so to speak, of the Israeli military as they avenge what was an October attack

00:02:50.320 by Hamas onto Israeli land. Israel is pushing back against that, specifically in the Palestine

00:02:55.840 region. The accusation from the student protesters, you're the ones that are, in a sense,

00:03:00.920 empowering this. And if there's a large divestiture away from these companies of war,

00:03:05.540 it could send a strong signal towards and incline towards peace. If we get these weapons off the

00:03:09.760 street, get these weapons to stop being sold, for war to stop being as profitable, that would be, 0.63

00:03:14.960 Again, ideal for residents of Palestine in their mind, ideal for everybody involved.

00:03:20.300 That's the best steel man that I can make of the protest argument.

00:03:23.560 The university that cares about money, they're basically saying, no, we're not going to divest.

00:03:28.300 Oftentimes, it's not even that closely held.

00:03:30.360 So it's not as though the president of Colombia wakes up, buys calls on Apple that day because

00:03:34.140 he thinks earnings will go well.

00:03:35.700 No, these are managed often sometimes completely isolated.

00:03:38.760 So they don't even know what they're investing in.

00:03:40.440 These are managed privately.

00:03:41.520 They're not publicly available.

00:03:43.140 And so the university says, this is out of our hands.

00:03:45.420 We're the ones that are charged with, have been given this tuition money, been given

00:03:49.000 these grants from alumni.

00:03:50.540 Who are you to tell us how to invest this money?

00:03:53.620 I think that's the first starting point is you have 20-year-old college students, most

00:03:56.960 of them Marxists, so no fundamental understanding of economics, making economic demands.

00:04:02.320 We're here, we're students on this campus, and we demand that you divest from X, Y, and

00:04:08.180 Z.

00:04:08.600 We don't even know what you're invested in.

00:04:10.320 We don't know how much you have invested in them.

00:04:11.920 We don't know what it's actually contributing to.

00:04:14.040 But our strong sense of revolutionary justice is telling us you should divest of this tomorrow.

00:04:20.140 That's what's led to the uproar.

00:04:21.260 That's what's led to the uprest all across the United States in this last week.

00:04:24.860 There's another piece in there, too.

00:04:26.240 And the reason why it started on April 17th in particular is because while the attacks originally happened back in October, shortly after the attacks, there were many professors who sympathize with Hamas.

00:04:40.940 But in particular, there was a professor at Colombia who publicly posted strong support for Hamas and I believe the attacks themselves, not just leave the people, the civilians in Hamas alone, but even even for the attacks of October 7th in particular.

00:04:58.820 And the way the timeline played out was that Congress had a hearing on what was going on in particular at university campuses, and they called for the president of Colombia, Manoush Shafiq, to come and testify about, in particular, this particular faculty member who had voiced very public support for Hamas and the attacks.

00:05:22.760 and due to scheduling and um shafiq being already was going on some travel for the university

00:05:31.880 she was not actually able to go to those hearings and they scheduled the hearings for april and it

00:05:37.820 was in april and particularly on april 17th that she finally was able to go to the hearing and in

00:05:43.740 the house of representatives and she pledged then that she was going to fire that professor who had

00:05:50.820 posted the public support for Hamas, even though that had been back in October, October 7th. And

00:05:58.000 so while there was already a student sentiment of wanting to support Palestine, wanting to protest

00:06:04.320 Israel, it was her testimony before Congress on April 17th that pushed it over the edge. And that's

00:06:11.160 why it particularly started at Columbia. It's because it was the Columbia professor or president

00:06:15.960 talking about a particular pro-Hamas professor at Columbia.

00:06:20.960 Yeah.

00:06:21.760 In regards to, you know, some of you who are tuning in and listening

00:06:24.680 and might be wondering, you know, well, you guys are kind of laying out,

00:06:29.300 you know, the framework and just the, you know, setting the stage,

00:06:33.120 but you're not really showing your hand, you know, what side are you on?

00:06:36.660 You know, what do you think?

00:06:38.080 I'll speak for myself.

00:06:39.180 I think both of you would agree, but I would kind of echo the sentiments of Tolkien

00:06:43.840 with the March of the Ents. I'm thinking of Treebeard, one of these, you know, Ent people, 0.99

00:06:50.560 tree people. And there's a line where he says, I am on nobody's side because no one is on my side.

00:06:59.280 I, yeah, that's how I feel about it. My desire for our country, these United States of America,

00:07:05.660 and for Christians and particularly evangelicals, because despite the fact that it's a daily

00:07:11.340 embarrassment to be an evangelical. I still am one. And, you know, as an evangelical, as a Christian,

00:07:17.540 as an American, my desire is that we would leave it alone and that we would stay out of it. That

00:07:24.740 as, you know, the left is seeking to destroy the left, I would love to see the right let them do

00:07:31.960 it. And, you know, but I mean, the irony is pretty thick that in many ways, I'm not saying every

00:07:39.600 individual but we need to be able to speak in generalities so this is a general statement i'm

00:07:44.000 about to make but in general um it was a very unusually shockingly right if we notice for a

00:07:51.980 moment uh just to notice a shockingly high number of jews who brought leftism into universities

00:08:01.000 and now that marxist leftism brought by in large part jews is turning on jews right i for one 0.81

00:08:10.560 am here for it i'm here for it i you know let's watch the show uh what i'm not here for

00:08:18.060 is tax dollars what i'm not here for is uh prevention and aid uh i i i don't understand

00:08:27.420 how quickly the news cycle churns and people just forget. It was 15 minutes ago that we were all

00:08:33.760 locked in our homes. They were tearing down monuments, people yelling, kill Whitey. 0.94

00:08:41.360 You're talking about BLM?

00:08:42.360 BLM riots in 2020 and continuing even in 2021. Half the country was burning down in mostly

00:08:48.440 peaceful riots. And so much of that was allowed to happen. It was just allowed to happen. The

00:08:55.180 the whole Kyle Rittenhouse thing, despite the controversy and whatever position you take on

00:09:00.000 that, I personally support him. But, you know, the fact that a 17-year-old kid is out there

00:09:06.080 trying to defend, you know, his town and his friends and his friend's business and all that

00:09:10.280 kind of is just a massive glaring indictment on those who are in an authority that they, you know,

00:09:18.180 like there shouldn't have been vigil anti-defense. And like, we should be able to count on our

00:09:23.920 elected leaders um you know and police force and um all these individuals to uh to defend us but

00:09:31.880 that's that's not you basically you have the left that hates you and they do they absolutely they

00:09:37.220 hate america they hate power so far as they see they love power but they hate it insofar as they

00:09:43.220 see it with uh those who they deem to be oppressors and that you know uh those who they they would

00:09:48.220 deemed to be historically colonizers or white westerners or whatever it is so the left uh hates

00:09:54.000 us uh and then the right has this weird relationship where um they they don't ever use

00:10:00.840 power right this typical neo-conservative libertarian argument of well we can't set

00:10:07.040 those precedents because then one day eric erickson was you know talking about the just absolute um 0.77

00:10:12.740 foolishness. I mean, it was just one of the most idiotic, stupid speeches I've ever heard. 1.00

00:10:18.260 But he was just talking about, well, if we actually had an umption of courage and wielded 1.00

00:10:25.860 power in a righteous direction, then that would be the worst thing you could possibly do. Reminds

00:10:30.980 me of James Lindsay. There was a movie, I can't even remember the name of the movie,

00:10:35.100 and I probably shouldn't reference it because I bet you it was something that I watched when I

00:10:39.520 as a teenager and inappropriate so not endorsing the movie but there's a scene where this guy he's

00:10:44.200 trying to learn how to surf and uh and he's not even in the water the surf instructor is just like

00:10:49.120 some hippie yoga stoner and has him on a long board laying on the sand it's not even in in the

00:10:55.800 ocean and uh and he's you know teaching him how to paddle and how to keep his head up and these

00:11:01.520 kind of um and every time he moves or starts to paddle or do anything that would be remotely

00:11:06.800 close to, you know, potentially surfing, the instructor being, you know, this chill, laid

00:11:13.500 back, hippie, whatever, he just keeps saying, no, do less, do less, do less. And so eventually he

00:11:20.840 just lays there, you know, and the instructor's like, perfect, you know. And that's what I think

00:11:25.540 of when I think of James Lindsay. That's what I think of when I think of Eric Erickson. That's

00:11:30.420 what I think of. And these aren't one-off guys. I'm naming them because they're, I think, a good

00:11:34.980 representative of the whole. That is the GOP. That is the Republican Party. That is

00:11:40.060 neoconservativism. Really, for the last, you know, easily 60 years, the Republican Party is the

00:11:48.540 do less party. Don't use power. And so then the left uses that power. And then we're never allowed

00:11:56.760 to wield it in order to protect our own posterity, to protect our own heritage, our own future,

00:12:02.240 unless, and this is what makes me mad, unless it's to protect someone else, right? So if Israel's 0.68

00:12:11.080 threatened, that's where we draw the line, right? Because then all the dispensationalists come out 0.97

00:12:14.860 of the woodwork and, you know, and you were saying this, Michael, they, you know, attempt to

00:12:19.140 vicariously live out Christendom, God forbid, you know, that we build Christendom here as Westerners,

00:12:25.880 as actual Christians who actually love Christ, but let's play out an adjacent, vicarious form 0.99

00:12:32.120 of Christendom with Jews on the other side of the world in Israel working towards the 0.71

00:12:38.140 third temple mount and somehow say that that's obedience to the word of God, that we're 0.85

00:12:44.300 bringing home the eschaton and the fulfillment of prophecy.

00:12:49.120 No, you're not.

00:12:50.060 No, you're not.

00:12:50.860 And so we're going to get in in this episode.

00:12:53.300 We'll go to commercial break in here just a moment, but we're going to get into Talmudic

00:12:58.400 Judaism.

00:12:59.160 We're going to get into Zionism a little bit and just make it abundantly clear, because 0.98

00:13:03.520 I think one of the things that I'm seeing from guys who are good guys, okay, so not

00:13:08.220 Eric Erickson, not James Lindsay, but guys who are good guys on the right, Christians,

00:13:13.020 conservatives, evangelical, biblical, you know, friends that I respect in many ways

00:13:18.900 and are better men than me in many regards.

00:13:21.620 But even some of these individuals are, they're underneath what I would say is an illusion.

00:13:28.840 that the leftist kind of college protester, you know, so like the leftist Marxists that

00:13:35.340 are protesting against the past, you know, the present leftist Marxist who's 20 years

00:13:40.620 old and a college student who's protesting against the past leftist Marxists, aka, you

00:13:45.760 know, Columbia, you know, the institutions and universities, you know, there are some

00:13:50.920 good guys, Christian guys who are saying they're doing this because they're against

00:13:56.500 Israel because Israel has the whiff of Christianity. It has, you know, yeah, no,

00:14:02.680 it's not Christianity. And these people do need to repent. They need to believe the gospel and 0.97

00:14:05.840 they need to follow Jesus. But they're Christian adjacent. They're Christian adjacent. And I would

00:14:11.960 profoundly reject that. It is not Christian adjacent. This is a strong statement, but 1.00

00:14:20.700 i'll go on record publicly saying it i i could make a more solid argument for islam being more

00:14:27.040 christian adjacent i think uh than talmudic judaism um i really think that i can support

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00:17:48.940 All right. So I'm going to hand it to Wes here in just a moment, but briefly I'm seeing in the

00:17:55.020 comments during that commercial break that a few of you don't appreciate my statement about

00:18:00.320 Islamic, you know, Islam being more Christian adjacent than Talmudic Judaism. So let me just

00:18:08.540 clarify that. After careful consideration, I've decided to become worse. I stand by it. I'm

00:18:14.700 doubling down. Again, you just have to take the statement for what I said. I didn't, I'm not

00:18:19.920 saying that Islam is adjacent to Christianity. It's not. It's been a historic enemy of Christianity

00:18:27.820 and one of the biggest. You know, so I, you know, I've been spending a lot of time this last 1.00

00:18:32.860 couple of years reading, you know, reading like God's Battalions, Defenders of the West,

00:18:40.140 or Sword and Scimitar, or, you know, there's multiple different books that have been addressing

00:18:45.000 the Crusades. And as you learn about the history of the Crusades, you find very quickly that

00:18:49.360 Islam is no friend of Christianity. My point in making that comment is to say neither is 1.00

00:18:55.740 Talmudic Judaism. So it was not meant to elevate Islam towards the Christian faith and say, well,

00:19:02.680 hey, you know what? They're not that far away. No, they're light years away. But Talmudic

00:19:07.400 Judaism is just that far, if not more. That's my point. And that's why I think there's a 1.00

00:19:12.140 misconception for Christians, where they think, Christians often think, and I've thought like

00:19:17.940 this, and Wes has a story about this, but they often think that Judaism is basically,

00:19:25.780 it's half of Christianity, or two-thirds of Christianity, that it's the Bible minus the

00:19:32.780 New Testament. But it's not. Think about this. I'll try to say it as concisely as possible.

00:19:37.400 2,000 years ago. So this is a long time. 2,000 years ago, when Jesus appeared on the scene,

00:19:43.160 after 400 years, according to the prophet Malachi, the skies had turned to bronze or brass.

00:19:49.420 The word of the Lord was few in those days. So you have a rebellious people, namely Israel, 0.96

00:19:54.900 already. And then you have 400 years of virtual silence from the Lord, where Israel becomes even 0.86

00:20:01.040 more perverse and even more rebellious. And then you have the entrance of Jesus in his earthly 0.86

00:20:05.900 ministry 2,000 years ago, and he's constantly combating the Jewish religious rulers of his day, 0.87

00:20:13.540 the Pharisees, the Sadducees, the lawyers, the scribes. And what he's doing again and again 0.90

00:20:19.060 is dealing with their perversions of the Mosaic law that they had so taken. So my point is 2,000

00:20:27.280 years ago at the time of Christ, the kind of Judaism that you had at that point was already, 0.66

00:20:33.700 it wasn't the Old Testament minus the New. It was the Old Testament minus the New, and then 0.92

00:20:39.440 just the Old Testament on its own perverted, twisted, tweaked.

00:20:43.860 Let me read Mark 7 for you here. It's Mark 7, 11 through 13. This is when Jesus is talking with

00:20:49.200 the Pharisees, and he says, but you say that if a man says to his father or mother, whatever you

00:20:55.180 have received from me is korban, that is a gift devoted to God, that he is no longer permitted

00:21:00.920 to do anything for his father or mother. So this was a tradition that the religious leaders had

00:21:05.680 put on top of the law, right? Which is kind of what the Talmud is. It's a reinterpretation,

00:21:10.860 adding of a tradition, building over time of tradition after tradition. And then Jesus

00:21:15.640 comments on that addition that the religious leaders had made. He said, thus, you nullify

00:21:21.020 the word of God by the tradition you have handed down. And so you do in many such matters.

00:21:27.180 So when Jesus appears on the scene, the Jewish religion, Old Covenant Israel, was already so far gone, so far perverted and twisted that Jesus found it essentially unrecognizable. 0.88

00:21:45.800 And my point is this, 2,000 years later with Talmudic Judaism and modern Judaism that we have today, the Pharisees and scribes and Sadducees that Jesus was strongly opposed to, they would look at what the current state of Talmudic Judaism and they would say, what a perversion. 0.96

00:22:04.440 They would find it unrecognizable. 0.83

00:22:07.300 It's only gotten worse since then.

00:22:09.100 So it's important for people to understand Judaism is not Christianity minus the New Testament.

00:22:15.480 Think of it like this.

00:22:17.160 Modern-day Judaism. 0.84

00:22:17.880 Right, modern Judaism, Talmudic Judaism. 0.87

00:22:21.360 Think of it like this.

00:22:22.540 For the Christian, there was one theologian, I forget his name's escaping me, but I can just about verbatim quote him.

00:22:29.920 He said that the Old Testament is like a richly furnished room but dimly lit,

00:22:36.260 and that all of its riches can only be appreciated in the illumination or the light of the New Testament.

00:22:43.940 The New Testament, we don't have two different gods.

00:22:46.920 Behold, I am the Lord, I changeth not.

00:22:48.700 I'm the same yesterday, today, and forever.

00:22:51.080 And so it's the same God, but in the New Testament, in the person and work of Jesus,

00:22:55.740 in the teachings of Jesus, in the teachings of Jesus furthered by the apostles,

00:23:00.100 what we have in New Testament literature and doctrine is we have not something different,

00:23:06.060 but we have all these things that are all baked into the pie originally in the Old Testament

00:23:10.680 that God was building from the start, but now with the light cast on it, now it's illuminated,

00:23:16.340 now it's visible. It can be fully appreciated and it can be seen. That's the same thing that

00:23:22.500 the Talmud does to the Torah. So what our New Testament does to the Old Testament, namely not 0.91

00:23:30.060 overriding the Old Testament, but making the Old Testament visible, it functions as a lens, 0.63

00:23:37.580 I think CRT, you know, like it's a, you know, it's an analytical tool, you know, but the New 0.69

00:23:44.280 Testament is a lens that the Christian, the regenerate born again Christian looks and reads

00:23:49.700 the Old Testament, but sees it clearly through the lens of the New Testament in light of the

00:23:55.600 New Testament. Well, the Jew reads the Torah, the Old Testament through the lens of the Talmud. 0.65

00:24:02.700 and it puts so it's not just that they my point is judaism is not incomplete christianity it is 0.90

00:24:09.440 completely perverted christianity so none of that is to be um a muslim apologist um is is islam is

00:24:19.240 a false doctrine and um and has been violent in many cases and that doesn't mean all muslims are

00:24:24.880 violent i would argue the vast majority are not yet i would argue that the vast majority are not 0.96

00:24:30.200 because they are inconsistent Muslims. A good Christian is not violent, but a bad Muslim is 1.00

00:24:38.860 also not violent. Islam, if consistently followed through, is not only false doctrine, but is also 1.00

00:24:46.220 in this temporal, tangible world, is violent towards its enemies. It is all about submission, 1.00

00:24:52.180 bringing the world underneath a domineering, submissive... There is no concept of grace

00:24:59.140 in Islam. But Judaism, so none of this is to iron out excuses for Islam. It is simply to help 0.94

00:25:08.520 the perpetually dispensational, rotten evangelical brain in our modern time. It is to help them 1.00

00:25:18.480 not to think better of Islam. It is to help them to more accurately have a perspective about

00:25:26.380 Judaism, because the average Christian today thinks, you know, Judaism, yeah, they need to

00:25:32.680 get saved, they need Jesus, but there's kind of, you know, there's two plans and think God's doing

00:25:37.980 something with Israel and he's doing something with the church and both are good and, you know,

00:25:42.760 and they're off on a few. And if that's your view, then I think it's easy to say, okay, well,

00:25:48.360 then the reason why these college neo-Marxists are against Israel is for the same reason that

00:25:54.700 they're against Christians. But I don't think that's it. If there's two bags, and I know this

00:25:59.580 is controversial, but if there's two bags, two categories that we could lump people into,

00:26:05.240 it's far easier to say that the young progressive leftist Marxist on the college campus, who right

00:26:14.600 now is angry and making demands for hot lunches as they sit there and protest, that person,

00:26:22.100 it is far more likely that they're that they're lumping israel into the category of whiteness

00:26:28.340 than they are lumping israel into the category of christianity they're not mad at israel because

00:26:34.520 they're christian adjacent um they're mad at israel if if anything obviously there's more

00:26:40.380 complexities in this but if we're to make it as simple as possible they're not mad at israel

00:26:44.340 because they're christian they're mad at israel because they're white um and i'm not even saying

00:26:48.800 they are but that's but that's the perspective the mold of white which is the colonizer colonizer

00:26:53.520 oppressor because you know elon musk even said this and elon musk is wrong about a million things

00:26:58.820 but you know hear me out he said you know the the old adage was might makes right right that's kind

00:27:04.240 of survival of the fittest that's darwinianism might makes you know so if if there's no moral

00:27:08.160 system then um if we're just complete relativists and we've we've cast off all transcendent universal

00:27:14.480 truth and it's just the strong survive so might makes right but in a neo-marxist culture which

00:27:22.240 is what we're getting more and more of it's actually precisely the opposite of that morality

00:27:27.400 is not defined by strength bare strength but instead morality is defined by weakness

00:27:34.040 weak might makes right no weak makes right so so you can look at a foreign affair on the other

00:27:40.260 side of the world and without knowing any of the details or the history or what is actually going

00:27:44.380 on. All you have to do is see who has more money, who has more power, who has more resources,

00:27:51.680 and those are the bad guys. And who's weaker, who's poorer, those are the good guys. So the

00:27:59.200 leftist progressive on a college campus who's protesting Israel is not doing it because they 0.78

00:28:04.400 put Israel in the Christian category. They're doing it because they put Israel in the America, 0.78

00:28:10.320 Western Anglo-Saxon category, oppressor category. And we have to acknowledge that is there vitriol

00:28:19.200 towards Christians because Jesus said, if the world hates me, they'll hate you? Yes. So we're

00:28:23.980 not discounting that. I think two things can be simultaneously true. There is a hatred of

00:28:28.320 Christendom and Christianity on the account of the world hating Christ. But I think the world

00:28:33.960 is capable of hating more than one thing, believe it or not. I think that they hate Christ. I also

00:28:38.840 think they hate white people i think they really do i think they hate the west and israel has been 0.85

00:28:44.100 lumped in with the west because uh the west keeps funding them so those are my thoughts i think it's

00:28:50.520 worth one quick note because you you mentioned the islam adjacent thing and joel this is a point

00:28:57.000 you made um a little while ago but when you view how talmudic judaism views christ and how islam

00:29:03.900 abuse Christ, which, after all, Christianity is named after Christ. Islam, while it does not 0.54

00:29:10.240 believe him, while it believes he's a failed prophet, they have a respect for Christ. And

00:29:15.460 they honor the Old Testament. In fact, the reason why the Islamic dietary laws are what they are is 0.50

00:29:21.040 because they keep kosher. They honor the Old Testament dietary laws. They trace their lineage

00:29:25.980 all the way back to Abraham. And so they have a respect for the Old Testament, and they have

00:29:30.560 a degree of honor for christ and talmud judaism does not it hates christ it's absolutely opposed

00:29:37.100 him it doesn't acknowledge virtue in him or any sort of holiness or divine uh mission um and and

00:29:43.780 we'll leave it there yeah there are french cults that may be you know exceptions but in terms of

00:29:48.720 dominant major world religions there is no major world religion that has more of a unique hostility

00:29:54.640 towards the person of Jesus than Talmudic Judaism. 0.99

00:29:58.340 Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, all of them will send you to hell. 0.97

00:30:03.080 All of them reject Jesus in the sense of him being the only begotten son of God 1.00

00:30:07.280 and the way, the truth, and the life, and the only way to salvation.

00:30:11.200 They all reject that, and therefore they are all false doctrines,

00:30:13.520 and they will all send you to hell.

00:30:15.700 But they all have a general respect, a general, you know,

00:30:21.060 they're not coming out and saying, Jesus, that's a really bad guy.

00:30:23.800 There's only one major world religion that is overtly hostile to the person of Jesus.

00:30:29.740 Wes?

00:30:30.860 Something you brought up reminded me of something that Herman Bovink says, and it's a reason why as well Judaism was essentially over in 70 AD.

00:30:38.480 Bovink writes, he goes to a good length to write about this, that the Jewish conception of eternal life was always bound up in the land.

00:30:44.180 So when they're brought out of Egypt and out of slavery, all of the promises related to being established in a land, having their enemies defeated,

00:30:50.920 the land itself would be abundant that their families would be fruitful and multiply and

00:30:56.360 throughout the whole Old Testament you see the longing of the patriarchs of the kings of David

00:31:00.320 for the land itself for the mountain of God Jerusalem for the temple and that system was

00:31:05.280 always meant to be if the Jews had accepted their Messiah would have been that Christ would have

00:31:09.720 returned there we can speculate about maybe what would have happened but the expectation of course

00:31:14.000 that would give way to an eternal life over all of the earth but so when you have leading up to 0.68

00:31:18.960 70 AD, the destruction, the disbursement of the Jews, that functionally ends Judaism because you 0.75

00:31:25.880 have no conception of the Old Covenant and everything in that it described as blessing,

00:31:30.300 as eternal life, as residing in the land, as having a temple to worship. There's nothing left

00:31:34.940 for it to continue to be. Modern Jews, for example, today, Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement, 1.00

00:31:40.300 they can't do it. They simply read Torah on that day. There is nowhere to offer sacrifices. 0.95

00:31:44.580 it functionally literally as a religion as we know judaism in the old testament had to end at 0.96

00:31:50.680 that point when they were kicked out of the land dispersed over all the earth and like you were

00:31:54.780 saying what came in there was talmudic judaism simple way that i've i've thought about it because

00:31:59.560 i grew up dispensationalist uh who didn't well there's left behind books then there's a teenager

00:32:04.300 left behind book series and i read not just the adult ones but the teenager series on top of it

00:32:09.360 I could not get enough.

00:32:10.600 Watched the movies with Kirk Cameron multiple times. 1.00

00:32:14.040 My thought was always, Judaism is Big Brother. 0.93

00:32:18.740 He got invited to go to the amusement park. 0.93

00:32:20.560 You took them up.

00:32:21.480 You took your parents up on the offer to go to the amusement park.

00:32:23.980 Big Brother stayed behind.

00:32:25.100 And you really want him to come to the amusement park, but he's just sitting at home.

00:32:28.180 He doesn't believe it's as good as it is.

00:32:30.740 You're telling him, it's great.

00:32:32.160 These rides are awesome.

00:32:33.600 No, I don't want anything to do with that.

00:32:35.380 And eventually, Big Brother will show up, and he'll come to the gate, bring his admission ticket, and say, you know what, you were right all along.

00:32:41.840 So that's when, growing up, and even probably a couple years ago, that would have been my conception. 0.96

00:32:46.040 Judeo-Christian, you know, the Jews on the outside looking in, but eventually brought back. 0.94

00:32:50.720 Now my conception would be much more, Big Brother was, again, invited to the wedding feast.

00:32:54.800 Invited to come to their Messiah, to receive him.

00:32:57.800 He came to his own, and they received him not.

00:32:59.400 I feel like this is a parable of some sort.

00:33:00.640 It's two parables now.

00:33:01.640 A story, a way to illustrate it.

00:33:03.740 Big Brother said no.

00:33:04.780 But what Big Brother's actually doing now is he's very committed to burning down the amusement park. 0.65

00:33:09.240 There's all these Christians that have built a glorious Christendom, and there's an antagonism. 0.63

00:33:14.060 Not just an indifference or like, man, we got the first half. 0.69

00:33:16.420 We're still looking for this Messiah.

00:33:18.380 We're still looking for this figure that's promised.

00:33:20.580 No, they're very committed to their opposition to those who say, no, the Jewish Messiah Christ is here.

00:33:26.220 We've worshipped him.

00:33:26.920 We've built all of this.

00:33:28.200 And they actively hate it.

00:33:29.660 It's not indifference.

00:33:30.640 It's not, yeah, that looks fun, but I don't really want to go.

00:33:33.360 It's opposition to it.

00:33:34.600 And that helped me think through, it's not Judeo-Christian, it's Christianity, the Old Testament fulfilled in Christ, the New Testament, the New Covenant age.

00:33:42.040 Right, and we really do need to get that out of our language.

00:33:45.100 The Judeo-Christian is an oxymoron.

00:33:48.080 There really is no such thing.

00:33:50.300 I understand what people mean by it, but it's not only unhelpful, but it perpetuates an illusion that I think that's part of the problem

00:34:01.640 where people come up with this idea that these two religions are adjacent,

00:34:05.720 that they're somehow connected.

00:34:07.320 I did an engram, not an enneagram, that's the demonic one,

00:34:11.600 an engram search on the phrase Judeo-Christian not too long ago.

00:34:15.560 And there were quite a few uses of it during Reformed times.

00:34:20.800 And so you might be tempted to think, well, the Reformers were using that.

00:34:24.140 When they said Judeo-Christian, they meant commenting on the book of Acts,

00:34:29.280 jews who became christians they were christians who were of judeo ethnicity gotcha the phrase

00:34:36.140 entirely disappeared until you know mid-1900s just listening to contramundum and uh andrew

00:34:42.600 isker's guest said it was only a hundred years ago that that term after world war ii would have

00:34:47.040 actually seen use and and you see on the good the engram the google engram spike it's right there

00:34:51.500 right yep okay um let's go to one last commercial break for today and then we're going to we're

00:34:58.120 going to come back and investigate Twitter these last couple of days because there's been some

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00:36:07.100 Okay. So this is something that I tweeted out, X'd out. I don't know, but I tweeted out a couple

00:36:16.520 days ago. So let's go ahead and throw it up on the screen. Here it comes. I said over the past

00:36:20.600 few weeks, this is just a general assessment. Over the past few weeks, we've seen protests

00:36:24.780 against Israel erupting all over college campuses. The left is determined to destroy the left,

00:36:30.100 but not if the right has anything to say about it. Rest assured, conservatives will do everything

00:36:33.960 they can to save progressive universities from the progressive protesters. When you were locked

00:36:38.700 in your home and half the country was in flames with BLM riots, we were told to just let our 0.94

00:36:43.940 American heritage burn. But that was merely the selfish interest of blue collar Americans. This 0.98

00:36:49.160 is different. Targeting leftist universities in Israel will not be tolerated. That's kind of my

00:36:55.120 general sense of what's going on. Now I want to get into a little bit of correspondence. So this

00:36:59.960 is between myself and Toby Sumter, who is a friend and who I respect greatly in many ways.

00:37:06.880 This is what he tweeted in his original post. He said, remember, anti-white rhetoric is actually

00:37:12.940 anti-Christian. Don't take the bait. If white people are Marxist, they are allies. If you're 0.60

00:37:20.080 a black Christian, you've been colonized. This conflict is not about skin color. It's about 0.91

00:37:25.640 religion and culture. That's why they also hate Jews. Okay, so I would disagree with Toby's take 0.99

00:37:32.440 here. I think that two things can be true at once. There absolutely is an anti-Christian hostility

00:37:38.780 that exists in the world. We know that because we see it, and we also know it because Jesus promised

00:37:43.300 it, that the student is not above the teacher, the slave is not above the master. If the world

00:37:48.640 hated me, it will also hate you. So anti-Christian hate does exist, but it is perfectly possible in

00:37:57.600 a fallen world for there to be two conflicting parties, neither one being Christian, and yet

00:38:03.340 for them to have hostility between one another. It is not as though the world didn't even have 0.96

00:38:11.040 an introduction into hate until Abraham or until Christ. There was plenty of hatred and wars and

00:38:23.640 conflicts and struggles and envy and all these things existing between individual people,

00:38:29.920 between tribes of people, between nations of people, in a prelapsarian or in an antediluvian

00:38:37.200 world before the flood, after the flood, before Christ. And so the Persians and the Medes can 0.77

00:38:44.980 team up. They can also be at war. And neither one hating the other because of Christ. They can both 0.80

00:38:50.820 be completely opposed to Christ in every way imaginable and yet still have hatred for one

00:38:55.940 another. So, an anti-Christian hate is a very real thing. It's something that we can witness.

00:39:02.580 It's something that historically we have witnessed, and it's something that Jesus promised.

00:39:07.060 But also, a hatred towards a particular culture and civilization and nations and even ethnicity,

00:39:15.720 a anti-white hatred, an anti-Western civilization hatred can also exist. And I think that these two

00:39:23.860 things have some overlapping, certainly some overlapping elements, but I do believe that

00:39:29.460 there are two separate categories and both are true and that Christians need to be aware of both.

00:39:33.920 So this is how I responded to Toby. I said, I was tracking until that last sentence. Can we go back

00:39:41.460 just real quick to Toby's post? So he said, remember, anti-white rhetoric is actually

00:39:46.380 anti-Christian. Don't take the bait. If white people are Marxists, they are allies. If you're

00:39:51.380 a black Christian, you've been colonized. This conflict is not about skin color. It's about 0.91

00:39:56.260 religion and culture. Here's his last sentence. That's why they also hate Jews. Okay, here's my

00:40:03.900 response. I was tracking until that last sentence. If the animosity is racial, then it makes sense.

00:40:10.020 I see how Jews could be lumped in as white oppressors. But if the animosity is 0.91

00:40:21.060 religious, then I'm lost. You and I both know that Judeo-Christian is an oxymoron. Talmudic 0.95

00:40:27.080 Judaism hates Christ with a unique hostility towards the person of Jesus among major world

00:40:33.280 religions. Don't get me wrong, the world hates Christians because it hates Christ, 0.95

00:40:37.880 just as Jesus promised. This rubric has served me well these past several years, 0.99

00:40:42.840 and I have believed and still believe that it is undoubtedly true, Christian hate. 0.99

00:40:47.920 but the vitriol towards israel just doesn't seem to fit this framework it's almost as if israel

00:40:54.820 has somehow garnished opposition from everyone on its own separate grounds apart from christianity

00:41:01.580 almost as though they have somehow found a way to be perceived as a special enemy who is viewed by

00:41:08.300 virtually all peoples as opposing all mankind that's scripture by the way that's a quote from

00:41:14.460 scripture. That's what Paul says of the Jews. Can you help me to understand this, brother? 0.98

00:41:18.840 You guys have loved me well, and I'm always happy to be friends, even if we disagree on this

00:41:23.820 particular subject. And then Toby responded last tweet. He said, Joel, thanks. Please note,

00:41:30.100 I'm talking about why the woke left hates Jews. And I do think it's because there's still a whiff 0.89

00:41:37.540 of Christ in their Torah observance, despite serious perversions. Enemies as regards the

00:41:44.360 gospel, but beloved for the sake of the patriarchs. They smell that. And I think that's

00:41:50.180 where I would disagree. What do you guys think about that? Obviously, we all respect Toby and

00:41:55.060 appreciate him. He's right about a lot. But in regards to this issue, do you guys think that

00:42:00.720 that's, that the college, you know, the 20-year-old, 18, 19-year-old leftist neo-Marxist

00:42:06.560 who's demanding a hot lunch while they're protesting right now is angry at Israel because

00:42:11.400 it reminds them of Christianity? What do you think? I read his blog, so he expounded further.

00:42:17.140 He wrote a blog today. And I think the disconnect is exactly what we talked about earlier, that

00:42:21.400 there is the Torah, there is the Pentateuch, there is the Old Testament. And if we're speaking

00:42:25.960 strictly of that, and we're speaking of patterns and habits and culture that would theoretically

00:42:30.300 arise just from that, then there would be something of a whiff of Christ. But again,

00:42:35.260 there's the Talmud. And he doesn't almost mention the Talmud at all in his blog post. That's an

00:42:39.440 area where it would be that I think the gap is. That Judaism is not. It's these observances. It's 1.00

00:42:45.660 these practices. They look forward to a Messiah to cleanse Israel from all her sins. It's been 0.91

00:42:51.060 perverted. Just for an example of what's in the Torah, brother, he did some good reading on it.

00:42:56.060 You mean the Talmud? The Talmud, yeah. I always flip the two because they start with a T.

00:42:59.760 He did some reading. And for example, it would say, if Goyim, a Gentile, falls into a pit, 1.00

00:43:04.320 You're not allowed to leave him there to die in distress. 0.66

00:43:06.640 So what you can do is you can tell him, I'm going to get help.

00:43:09.180 And then you can leave him to die and he won't be distressed because he thinks you're getting help.

00:43:12.860 Tons and tons of pages of all these perversions and jukes and ways out of just obeying the law, loving God and loving neighbor.

00:43:20.880 To me, that's the disconnect.

00:43:21.760 That you have the Talmud added on top of it that obscures any type of whiff of Christ that theoretically some religion that tried to observe Old Testament practice, Old Testament piety, Old Testament religion,

00:43:32.760 religion, if that was even possible, completely effaces, completely obscures. 0.56

00:43:37.820 Well, I don't, I still hold a reformed position on the future for Jews, still. 1.00

00:43:48.300 However. 0.52

00:43:49.240 In our future.

00:43:50.260 Yeah.

00:43:50.660 Yes, yes, yes, yes.

00:43:51.820 With Michael saying that, he means not land promises or anything physical, but a spiritual

00:43:56.200 revival among Jewish people in our future. 1.00

00:43:58.680 However, the whole point is that they have, I think we all agree, they have rejected Christ. 1.00

00:44:05.420 They have entirely rejected Christ.

00:44:07.620 And not only that, but Christ has rejected them, which is more scary. 0.88

00:44:11.800 And so I don't see how you have a whiff of Christ in the practice of Judaism. 0.85

00:44:19.340 You have a whiff of Christ in the Old Testament, of course, right? 0.53

00:44:22.640 The Old Testament screen, there's much more than a whiff of Christ in the Old Testament.

00:44:25.720 But in the practice of a religion that has separated itself from Christ, who is God, so has separated themselves from God, I don't understand the claim that there's still kind of a tendril or a whiff or anything of the beauty of Christ in the practice of Talmudic Judaism.

00:44:47.040 I just, I don't understand how he can make that claim.

00:44:49.600 And maybe he'll clarify, and maybe we'll be wrong about that.

00:44:52.940 And maybe there is something there that we're not considering.

00:44:55.660 But that's, to me, a hard argument to accept.

00:45:00.880 Yeah.

00:45:01.400 And for the record, if anybody wants to know, my view, this is an area where Michael and

00:45:06.940 I, who have much alignment, but we would disagree on, I don't know if this may be the

00:45:11.740 only thing we disagree on.

00:45:12.840 But, and Wes, you take the partial preterist view.

00:45:15.760 I would probably take that they have been fulfilled.

00:45:18.520 Yeah.

00:45:18.720 So the partial preterist view as it pertains to Romans 11 in particular and some other New Testament texts as well is preterist, just a Latin word for past, meaning fulfilled.

00:45:29.440 And so we would look, Wes and I would look at Romans 11 and say that there was a partial hardening over the Jewish people because of their rejection of Christ, and that was part of their judgment.

00:45:42.300 partial meaning not every single Jewish person according to the flesh. There were some Jewish

00:45:47.280 converts during the time of the apostles and during the time of Jesus in his earthly ministry

00:45:51.520 and preaching. But for about 40 years, between the ascension of Christ and then AD 70, the

00:45:58.220 destruction of the temple in Jerusalem and all these things, this final judgment that Jesus 0.92

00:46:01.980 promised in Matthew 24 and the Olivet Discourse, that this generation, not this type of generation,

00:46:07.700 this kind of people, but know this literal generation, which in Jewish culture, and it

00:46:13.480 would have been about 40 years. So this generation will not pass away until they see the son of man 0.86

00:46:18.180 coming on the clouds. The clouds is not representative of glory and heaven, but rather

00:46:24.000 judgment. It's like Joel chapter two, that talks of the sun being blot out and turned to blood.

00:46:31.100 Isaiah 13 is the same.

00:46:32.440 Yep. And then it goes on in Joel 2 and says, and there are clouds and billows of smoke.

00:46:36.460 So think ash, think clouds and that destructive, think clouds like 9-11 clouds.

00:46:43.460 It's like this is not clouds of glory and heavenly celestial bliss.

00:46:47.720 These are clouds of judgment. 0.97

00:46:48.980 So Jesus says that in Matthew 24, that this generation will not pass away.

00:46:53.600 And so the partial preterist view is that Paul says that a partial hardening has come

00:46:58.380 unto the Jews for this 40-year period.

00:47:00.540 So some are saved, but most are hardened and reject Christ. 0.74

00:47:04.120 But then leading up towards the end, and then especially culminating and climaxing in this 80-70 judgment where Jesus does spiritually return.

00:47:13.840 It is a parousia, a second coming of Christ, not in the flesh.

00:47:18.000 That's his final physical return that is in our future that we still await.

00:47:21.940 But Jesus, while physically at the right hand of God, the Father Almighty, he still spiritually, the spirit of the risen Christ,

00:47:28.840 did in fact return in AD 70 on clouds representing judgment in the destruction of the temple just like

00:47:35.380 he said not one stone left on another the destruction of Jerusalem and judged that

00:47:40.300 generation of that particular people who chose right who chose to reject him and so the partial

00:47:46.820 prejudice view would say not only are there not land promises anymore for Israel all that has

00:47:51.700 been fulfilled see the end of the book of Joshua for that the last couple chapters of Joshua says

00:47:56.060 everything that the Lord promised through the prophet Moses has come to pass and has been given

00:48:01.840 to you. All the land, you got it. God gave it. So it's not that God, this is not saying God didn't

00:48:07.440 keep his promises or he failed. God answered all the physical promises and Israel in their

00:48:12.520 faithlessness lost them. And then according to this partial preterist view of Romans 11,

00:48:16.960 even the spiritual promise, namely, because Paul says partial hardening, but he says Israel will

00:48:21.540 be saved. And so he speaks of a future revival, a future spiritual revival among the Israelite

00:48:31.500 people, according to the flesh, the ethnic Israelite people. He says that they will be

00:48:36.640 saved. There's going to be this revival. And it was in Paul's future at the time of his writing,

00:48:41.960 Romans chapter 11, but in our past. And so I would hold the position that that has actually,

00:48:47.520 Paul was writing about a near future event instead of something far off, a near future event.

00:48:53.480 And it was future for him, but it's long past for us that God did save many of the Jewish people.

00:49:00.000 They actually, they saw, Josephus even talks about accounts over a dozen eyewitness accounts

00:49:05.960 of people when Jerusalem was sacked in smoke and ashes. They saw silhouettes that looked like

00:49:13.780 chariots running back and forth in the sky behind these clouds of smoke and ash, and that many

00:49:19.880 people, it was as clear as day, they acknowledged, oh, this is spiritual. This is not just Titus

00:49:26.200 coming and destroying the temple, but this is what Jesus precisely told us. And then we killed him 0.98

00:49:34.560 and rejected him, and he is now judging us. And many of them, seeing that judgment, that judgment

00:49:41.360 was used in the providence of God and his mercy to soften their hearts and to bring about repentance.

00:49:46.240 And so Israel actually was saved. And now, 1,950 years later, what is there now left for Israel?

00:49:56.740 Nothing. What's left for Israel is, number one, Jewish people today, there's a strong debate to

00:50:04.420 be had whether or not they have any ethnic claim to Abraham at all. And I'm not saying somebody

00:50:09.300 else does. I'm just saying that's already, in my assessment, highly skeptical. Secondly,

00:50:15.960 even if it was the same, these were Abraham's descendants, or even if they're not, it's a

00:50:22.880 moot point. In my assessment, the promise for the nation state of Israel today, whether they're the

00:50:29.080 offspring of Abraham according to the flesh or not, whoever they are, they are certainly, what we can

00:50:34.560 say with all certainty is they are human beings, therefore created in the image of God, in a common

00:50:40.760 grace sense, therefore loved by God, and they are a nation. Whether they should have been, whether

00:50:47.060 we should have been involved back in the 1940s, it doesn't matter. In God's providence, it was

00:50:52.220 brought about, and because they are people made in the image of God, and because they are a nation,

00:50:58.360 then as a post-millennial, my belief is that what is in their future, what's promised to

00:51:04.220 modern day Israel, the nation state of Israel, is the same thing promised to China and Brazil

00:51:09.160 and Uganda and the Sudan and these United States of America, namely the promise being

00:51:15.000 that all of the earth will flock to Mount Zion, that Jesus, that the nations ask of me and I will

00:51:23.760 give the nations to you as an inheritance and that the son has indeed asked the father and that

00:51:28.480 gradually throughout human history in this gospel age, the father is doing precisely that, answering

00:51:33.720 the request of his son one by one, bringing the nations to him in salvation and belief in the

00:51:39.380 gospel and Israel will be no different. That they will be saved too, but they're not going to be

00:51:44.540 saved in some special dispensational Zionist category. They're going to be saved in just this

00:51:50.180 global national category, just like any other nation on the planet.

00:51:54.320 Can I throw something?

00:51:56.040 Yeah, go for it.

00:51:56.920 A slight rejoinder.

00:51:58.140 I don't necessarily disagree with much of what you said there, but I think that what 0.67

00:52:02.680 is unique about Israel is that there are nations who have ceased to exist from history entirely.

00:52:10.760 And in fact, a lot of them ceased to exist around the time of Christ.

00:52:15.280 God made promises to Old Testament nations,

00:52:18.560 and then it seems like some of them were unachievable without the gospel.

00:52:23.280 There are nations that did cease to exist. 0.99

00:52:25.860 We don't have the Ammonites around anymore, 1.00

00:52:27.660 even some that trace themselves back to an Abrahamic line. 0.99

00:52:31.660 And to me, the fulfillment for Israel is that there will be some sort of vestige 0.53

00:52:35.500 that carries on the name of Jew that will last until the end when all nations are saved, 0.56

00:52:40.460 so that it's not just Old Testament, you know, we know that all the nations of the earth will be

00:52:47.020 blessed in Christ. And so there will be representatives from all the Old Testament

00:52:51.680 nations in heaven, whether it's through elect infants who died as babies or in the womb or

00:52:58.200 that sort of thing, or whether there was some sort of witness or faith given like the Ninevites.

00:53:03.120 but they will not have participated in the belief in christ as messiah post cross death

00:53:12.800 resurrection of christ and so to me the fact that israel has not faded from history or the

00:53:17.960 a jewish identity of some sort has not faded from history to me is the promise they will not just be

00:53:23.420 represented through old testament looking ahead at christ my my point is that they will be

00:53:28.980 represented by actually being allowed to continue through history until the time when they are

00:53:34.440 brought in through actual, the post-millennial faith that we all hold. So that's my take.

00:53:39.640 Yeah, I think that's entirely possible. I'd have to think about it. But I definitely think that

00:53:44.100 every nation will be included. I like what you said in the sense of, you know, it's like,

00:53:49.240 where are the Romans? Well, have you met an Italian? You know, like, you know, so even like

00:53:54.980 nations in God's providence, you know, Acts says this, the book of Acts says that God sets both

00:53:59.860 the times and borders of nations. And so nations come and go, they rise and fall. And God does all

00:54:05.860 that according to his sovereign will. He sets the times and borders of nations. But even those

00:54:10.920 nations that fall and that seemingly, as far as we know, are lost to the annals of history

00:54:17.000 are still not utterly lost. Those people, those descendants, their posterity carries on somewhere.

00:54:24.620 So even if it's a nation that doesn't have a unique identity anymore because it was conquered, still their children do live on, their posterity.

00:54:34.220 So Rome, there is still a sense in which the culture and the nation of Rome has continued for 2,000 years.

00:54:41.460 And Rome, by golly, Rome has been saved, I would argue, in many ways.

00:54:46.520 that rome um i think of greece also but athens you know and and rome these two very powerful

00:54:53.660 cities and cultures and peoples um both of them have been uh thoroughly christianized they were

00:54:59.180 plundered right like the idea of like plundering the egyptians you know not to burn all the books

00:55:04.140 but to see because all truth is god's truth and whatever is there that aligns because of common

00:55:08.580 grace and people made in the image of god whatever aligns with god's truth would be preserved and

00:55:12.900 would be illuminated and would be expanded upon. I think, you know, both Rome and Greece are two

00:55:17.640 good examples of ancient civilizations that no longer exist in the way that they once did,

00:55:25.000 but there is a continuation, even in our day, in modern times, of their culture and their

00:55:31.360 posterity, their people intermarried now and mingled and mixed and all these things. But

00:55:36.340 there's a very real sense in which both Greece and Rome have continued, and by golly, they've

00:55:43.220 been won by Christ. They have been worked into this Christendom milieu of Western civilization

00:55:51.820 that right now is in the process of apostasy. So there's a lot of work to be done. But yeah,

00:55:57.660 so I'm saying, one, I think your theory is absolutely plausible, and two, even if it

00:56:05.260 wasn't i think it'd be something you you know similar to that kind of scenario that there's

00:56:09.280 still a sense in which this continued um maybe maybe not the way it is today maybe it's but it's

00:56:16.300 it's freeing it's freeing to um you know because there's a lot of christians right now like if

00:56:21.680 israel ever ceased their mind yeah well and if israel ever ceased to be a country they'd like

00:56:27.580 uh they i i know some some christians that um would just about lose their faith yeah like i

00:56:33.560 mean it would rock them to the core they would question the validity of scripture the inerrancy

00:56:38.360 of god's word it's a good point like there's far too much writing on this this thing on the other 0.64

00:56:45.040 side of the world that so you know and and then you throw in you know um yeah so zionism has not 0.52

00:56:53.480 been good for christianity it has not been good for western civilization um it has not been good 0.97

00:56:59.200 for evangelicalism, it is, I can't think of any positive fruits. And so I would love to see in 0.99

00:57:06.780 our lifetimes, if God would be so kind, I would like to see Zionism die. I would like to see it 1.00

00:57:13.820 die, be buried, and never resurrect from the grave. Because it has no place in biblical 0.99

00:57:19.980 Christianity. And it's not good for anyone, including modern Jews. You're not saying there 1.00

00:57:24.580 couldn't be a point in which politically it would make sense to ally with a nation in the middle

00:57:30.600 east of course right that's not um but you're saying separating that from the from the mandate

00:57:36.980 to uphold god's promises from eschological prophecies and that we have like that's how a

00:57:42.840 lot of americans speaker mike johnson yes speaker mike johnson was literally i mean it's just him

00:57:47.660 some israel that guy is he's watching nicholas cage left behind you know like that guy like

00:57:53.560 But you can tell it's religious.

00:57:56.340 It's not calculated like this is financially good for the United States because of trade agreements.

00:58:01.440 And we also, it's good for us to have an outpost, a Western outpost over there in the East in order to keep tabs on Iran so that they don't have too many nuclear bombs in order to achieve.

00:58:12.840 That's not the mindset.

00:58:14.540 The mindset is we are a Christian people and we all know that we love God even though he only partially loves us because we are the redheaded stepchild at the table that dad kind of loves, but he really loves.

00:58:30.560 It's such a sad, sad doctrine.

00:58:34.000 It's this idea of like I am so in love with God as my father, but he's really not that much in love with me.

00:58:39.220 He actually loves my brother because I'm just a half brother.

00:58:42.080 He loves my brother, the full bread.

00:58:43.620 He really loves him, even though that brother is constantly spitting on dad and mocking

00:58:48.340 dad to his face.

00:58:49.820 And anything, anytime dad might reward me with blessing for obedience, I'm going to

00:58:54.560 take all that blessing for obeying dad and give it to my brother, who literally spends

00:59:00.100 it, doesn't just spend it lavishly, but spends it on making offensive weapons to then point

00:59:06.360 at dad and take it out on him.

00:59:09.040 I want to clarify for you. 0.69

00:59:10.460 That's dispensational Zionism. 0.67

00:59:11.240 So you don't get clipped again. 0.75

00:59:12.520 the two brothers there are the church and israel not the nation of america that's right

00:59:17.940 the church in israel i had a mentor on the faith he described it that way and that's not all

00:59:21.440 dispensationalists i would know some that certainly don't have this insecurity complex but with the

00:59:25.800 decline of calvinism the rock solid assurance that god chose you redeemed you assures that

00:59:31.820 you'll be brought all the way to glory you kind of have to attach yourself to something else and say

00:59:36.100 if i want to feel really secure well there's a lot a lot a lot a lot of promises for israel in

00:59:41.320 the old testament and so if i could hop on or or or throw a rope hook on somehow tag along with

00:59:49.100 those promises that would really make me feel secure my salvation i'm sure he loves me because

00:59:53.160 of this but man i could i could double down i could get two hands on that salvation some of

00:59:57.760 that is that that insecurity and and calvinism i think really and even further covenant theology

01:00:03.200 is what frees you from that need to say my attachment is to this this nation state halfway

01:00:08.200 across the world that, as I would agree, doesn't have a continuity with what's described in the

01:00:12.440 Old Testament. Right. Amen. All right. Well, thank you guys for tuning in. We hope that this has been

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