The NXR Podcast - THE LIVESTREAM - Israel Used Palantir For Pagers Op; Propaganda Targets US Churches

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00:00:30.000 as a quick rule of thumb if somebody comes to you and offers you a free sponsored paid for

00:00:42.900 trip to israel the proper response the right response some might say is to simply tell them

00:00:49.400 no we've just witnessed one of the largest paid sponsored events for um politicians for congressmen

00:00:59.120 All those things would be concerning in and of themselves, but it's exceptionally concerning

00:01:04.980 when the target group is America's clergy.

00:01:09.660 It's a thousand pastors here in the United States shuttled off to Israel for a conference

00:01:17.300 where they are being indoctrinated and trained and equipped with propaganda to take back

00:01:22.540 because, well, because the propaganda recently over the last couple of years has been failing.

00:01:27.780 and it's not really a mystery why. Sure, plenty of you, as myself personally, have been red-pilled

00:01:35.820 by reading some old forbidden books and looking at this and looking at that, figuring out a little

00:01:41.520 bit of the history behind some of the events that have gone on over the course of the last

00:01:46.300 60, 70, 80 years. But one of the big things for the average person that has caused them to have

00:01:53.000 a negative view of Israel in these last two years? I mean, when you look at different guys who are

00:01:59.300 pro-Zionist, pro-Israel, they say it's really concerning the last two years, the rise of

00:02:04.260 anti-Semitism. Well, what new novel thing has occurred in the last two years that would maybe

00:02:12.860 be responsible for a rise of anti-Semitism? And not just for guys on 4chan, but just the average

00:02:21.280 American being a little less pro-Israel than they were staunchly pro-Israel for decades? Well,

00:02:28.240 what it is, is that you're talking about a country that glassed Gaza. You're talking about a country

00:02:35.780 that has killed thousands upon thousands of civilians and women and children. That's why

00:02:44.460 they have such a negative image right now among, again, your basic, normal American citizen. So

00:02:53.100 they need to do a little bit of PR, a little bit of public relations. Israel as a nation state

00:03:00.020 has realized that they've fallen out of favor for many Americans. And although Israel has never been

00:03:06.800 our greatest ally, we certainly have been theirs. We support Israel in a way that no other country

00:03:13.060 does. Israel is not capable of standing on its own two feet. They wouldn't have had the country 0.94

00:03:20.100 without Western intervention in the first place. And although they say they're perfectly capable

00:03:25.460 of standing on their own two feet, we keep giving them money. That capability, it may be there.

00:03:31.780 Potentially, Israel can be self-sustaining. I'd love to just give that a try. Could we see if

00:03:38.320 they could do it without our tax dollars, just for maybe one year, just for one season, just test it

00:03:44.500 out, see how it goes. Well, we never have. And so Israel is working overtime to bolster their image

00:03:51.380 among Americans. But plenty of countries have done that. Russia's done that, right? China has done

00:04:00.080 that. There are plenty of countries that have sought to engage, you know, in foreign affairs

00:04:05.540 with propaganda to try to change the general sentiment in relation to them that have tried

00:04:10.580 to interfere with elections or this, that, and the other. But what's unique right now,

00:04:16.660 and you do need to feel this. This is not normal. What's unique is that it wasn't just a thousand

00:04:22.860 politicians or a thousand, you know, CEOs of American corporations. All those would be

00:04:29.480 concerning in and of themselves, but it was a thousand pastors. Israel is hand-selecting 0.83

00:04:38.120 ministers of the gospel of Jesus Christ, bringing them into their country, all expenses paid, 0.97

00:04:45.860 and then filling them up with a mission to come back to our country and spread

00:04:51.980 pro-Israel propaganda politically and culturally, but then also to spread false doctrine.

00:04:59.480 And it is false doctrine.

00:05:02.480 It actually does matter at a theological level, not just politically.

00:05:06.720 They are being trained and equipped by Israeli citizens and leaders of the civil affairs there,

00:05:14.500 as well as some of our own civil leaders like Mike Huckabee on this trip,

00:05:18.900 and not just telling them political talking points that they should regurgitate,

00:05:22.960 but telling them theological talking points that are in direct contradiction to the Word

00:05:29.480 of God. Mike Huckabee is instructing America's pastors. Who appointed him as the head of a

00:05:38.160 seminary? Who appointed him in a position to give theological instruction over America's pastors

00:05:45.900 that they'll then go and teach their congregants? And for the record, these are not small churches.

00:05:52.960 These are large churches that provide a sampling representative of evangelicalism in America as a

00:06:03.300 whole. It's worth adding that when you look at the list that's been exposed of which churches and

00:06:10.100 pastors were present at this event, two of the largest denominations, Protestant denominations,

00:06:16.860 represented on this list with this trip for a thousand pastors in Israel were Calvary Chapel

00:06:23.080 and Southern Baptist. Calvary Chapel and Southern Baptist. In addition to this, we're also going to

00:06:30.360 spend a little bit of time discussing the recent expose that Palantir, led by CEO Alex Karp,

00:06:39.040 also started in large part by Peter Thiel, that this was the tech behind just back in September

00:06:48.960 of 2024, the major event that everyone saw on the news where all of a sudden you had

00:06:55.200 pagers exploding. You had people missing limbs. You had people's eyes gouged out. Some of these

00:07:03.320 people were bad people. Some of them were not. Some of them were civilians. And come to find out

00:07:10.400 the tech behind it is, again, American companies. It's American CEOs, America tech that's being

00:07:18.600 handed over to Israel to pull off a widely criticized, and I think for good reason, 0.70

00:07:25.660 widely criticized war tactic that involved civilians. And this tech, the last thing I'll 0.83

00:07:32.820 say before we hop into the show, it's worth noting that this tech has now has its tentacles

00:07:41.240 well-raveled within the American government. This tech from Palantir, facial recognition software,

00:07:51.180 all these different things, drone capability, AI being able to curate lists, you know, in a matter

00:07:58.460 of seconds of who's a dangerous citizen that maybe needs a few eyes on them. This tech is not

00:08:06.080 just in Israel blowing up pagers of their enemies, but this tech is in the United States government 0.61

00:08:13.760 through Doge. Because of Elon Musk, although I think he did some good, but because of his presence

00:08:21.820 and involvement with Doge and Peter Thiel and his connections to Musk, Palantir has inserted itself

00:08:28.100 the hardware or software, I should say, has been able to, as far as we know, we don't know exactly

00:08:35.080 what intel they have, but we know they had the opportunity through Doge to curate files on you,

00:08:43.340 not just Hezbollah, not just some terrorist in the Middle East, but American citizens, you,

00:08:50.140 me. These things are worth looking into. We don't want to be hyperbolic, and we don't want to be

00:08:59.760 like Chicken Little running around saying that the sky is falling. We don't want to be

00:09:04.100 doom-scrolling constantly. We don't want to be black-pilled. We trust in Jesus,

00:09:09.320 but we also don't want to be naive. We don't want to be foolish. We want to be innocent as doves, 0.68

00:09:14.240 but shrewd, wise as serpents, as the scripture commands us. These are things that American

00:09:20.560 citizens and especially Christians should be aware of. Your government has the technology

00:09:26.480 and the opportunity has already come and gone for private corporations within your nation to

00:09:32.940 have very intricate files on your social media, the things that you post, the views that you hold.

00:09:40.760 And it's one thing if you were an objective danger to the public.

00:09:46.700 It's another, though, if there are lists being curated and eyes watching

00:09:50.900 simply because you, like many Americans, aren't very fond of Israel these days.

00:09:58.960 That's crazy. 1.00

00:10:00.740 That is absolutely crazy that a foreign nation is training pastors in our country 0.98

00:10:08.460 to teach false doctrine and promote political propaganda for foreign interests. It is crazy 0.99

00:10:15.460 that a private corporation has had access into our government and the government's infrastructure

00:10:23.160 to build files on free American citizens. These are the things that we'll discuss in today's episode.

00:10:30.160 Tune in now.

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00:12:10.980 Let's jump into Palantir.

00:12:12.580 We did an episode, this would have been in the summer,

00:12:14.280 we talked about J.D. Vance and his connections to Palantir.

00:12:17.340 I think we were very careful in that episode to say

00:12:19.280 nothing that we're necessarily saying could happen

00:12:22.020 is something that is for sure going to happen.

00:12:24.040 We can't prove any type of secret conspiracy, secret coup,

00:12:27.400 but we are saying, and I know the word concerned gets overused,

00:12:30.960 But what we are saying is it's concerning that public-private partnerships,

00:12:34.660 so the United States government contracting with private contractors.

00:12:38.260 Now, private contractors are not bound by the same rules that government entities are.

00:12:42.020 You think of a freedom of information request.

00:12:44.540 You can request the federal government,

00:12:46.160 hey, I'm a citizen and I deserve to have access to information the government has on me.

00:12:50.600 You could request that of the FBI.

00:12:52.220 Do you have something, information, related to me?

00:12:55.240 And by law, you have to disclose it.

00:12:57.460 That's the government side of things.

00:12:58.780 But public-private partnerships, government with private corporations, opens up a much bigger world.

00:13:05.560 And again, we didn't say this is what's happening, but you can imagine a world, for example, where an analytics company had cataloged everything that you posted online.

00:13:12.340 So it's not just pulling, you know, the bad things you've maybe said, but it's pulling old Facebook photos.

00:13:16.580 And it can put together an entire comprehensive package of who you are.

00:13:20.700 Now, using big data, using the power of analytics and AI, you could create a list of people that are risks.

00:13:26.340 They're risks for this type of information.

00:13:27.980 There are risks to maybe be job hunters.

00:13:30.400 And a private company, like Palantir in this instance, could partner with a LinkedIn.

00:13:34.820 And without you even knowing it, without the government being involved, your speech is not being censured,

00:13:39.520 you could find it very, very difficult to get a job because a data company out there somewhere crunched the numbers

00:13:44.980 and they said, yeah, actually this guy has a 45% chance of staying less than a year at your work.

00:13:50.300 This guy has a 25% chance of saying inflammatory things online.

00:13:53.580 And you could, without even knowing it, without even understanding what's happening, I'm putting in these resumes, I'm qualified for these jobs, you could be shut out of a housing market. 0.52

00:14:02.060 You could be shut out if you had some type of social credit scores you've seen in China.

00:14:05.780 You could be shut out of the ability to get credit to buy a home.

00:14:08.900 So private partnerships with the government, partnerships with other groups, they're a huge problem.

00:14:14.140 And the most nefarious part about it, you wouldn't necessarily be able to see it.

00:14:18.780 Again, you would say, man, I'm not getting jobs.

00:14:20.480 I'm not getting hired.

00:14:22.060 People aren't willing to spend time around me.

00:14:24.200 What could this be from?

00:14:25.440 You have no idea what it's from.

00:14:27.260 And so we talked about that six months ago.

00:14:29.620 And I feel like this is a theme that is going to keep coming up.

00:14:32.100 But we're going to keep talking about the risk of the surveillance state.

00:14:34.640 We've got some content coming out next year on it.

00:14:36.800 But it's worth, at the end of the year, reminding you that one of the biggest, and I mean, as a publicly traded company, one of the fastest growing companies is this company, Palantir.

00:14:46.220 Palantir was founded as an offshoot from the CIA's Venture Capital Fund.

00:14:49.940 I believe In-Q-Tec is the name, and it was founded in the early 2000s.

00:14:53.520 Named after Lord of the Rings, the stones, the seeing eye that would allow you to see

00:14:59.380 what's going on in other parts of the world.

00:15:01.740 It's spyware.

00:15:03.000 Yep, precisely.

00:15:04.260 So it's been in use now for, it would be coming up on two and a half decades.

00:15:07.940 This is not a company that started yesterday.

00:15:09.780 They've got some talent, and they're a little bit exciting.

00:15:11.900 Huge company, two and a half decades worth of very secretive private contracts with the

00:15:17.060 FBI and the CIA, and also contracts with the government that we know about, private corporations.

00:15:23.320 It's huge, is the point. And a lot of us have concerns about Palantir, about its leadership,

00:15:28.640 about the individuals involved, about what it's doing, precisely because of stories like this.

00:15:34.400 So a new book came out. It's a biography of the CEO of Palantir, Alex Karp. Alex Karp is a

00:15:41.720 Jewish revolutionary, very eccentric guy. It was kind of funny. This week, actually, 0.95

00:15:46.700 he talked about how young men or white men have been disadvantaged in the hiring process,

00:15:50.920 that they've been discriminated against. Which is true. Not sure we're fully back. Not sure he's 1.00

00:15:54.880 our guy quite yet. But he's one of those guys, you know, when he misses, he misses. And when he's on

00:15:58.960 it, he's on it. A while ago in a deleted tweet, he said, you know, my biggest fear is that Christian

00:16:03.600 nationalists are going to rise to power and they're going to throw me out of a window. So

00:16:07.280 So he sees white men being discriminated against, but very much so in other respects, he's not our guy.

00:16:14.140 And in that biography, it's been revealed new information that wasn't previously known before.

00:16:19.740 You alluded to it in the cold open last year, a little over a year ago, Israel's intelligence side, Mossad, carried out a pretty impressive attack.

00:16:27.520 It's honestly one of the most impressive attacks we've seen in the modern world as far as targeted, surgical, precise attacks go. 0.63

00:16:34.400 as just taking out what it is that you want to take out with minimal risk to troops.

00:16:38.380 I mean, there's nobody on the ground.

00:16:39.640 This is not, well, these guys infiltrated and we risked one of our teams

00:16:42.960 and they could have been found or they could have been caught.

00:16:45.320 No, they carried it out completely remotely.

00:16:47.860 It was the detonation remotely of a couple thousand pagers

00:16:50.180 and then a second follow-on attack via walkie-talkies.

00:16:53.180 And the attack, as you alluded to, it killed 12 high-ranking Hezbollah agents,

00:16:58.020 but it also injured, let me see here, killed 12 people,

00:17:01.400 including two children and two health care workers and injured 2,800s. And as you alluded to,

00:17:07.820 the United Nations at the times of the attack noted that the attacks constitute war crimes of

00:17:12.800 murder, attacking civilians, and launching indiscriminate attacks, in addition to violating

00:17:17.500 the right to life, adding that around 500 people suffered severe eye injuries, including a diplomat.

00:17:22.540 So this is just a civil diplomat, someone who has a mission to carry out diplomatic relations.

00:17:27.560 this was in Lebanon. Severe eye injuries, others suffered grave injuries to their faces, hands,

00:17:33.100 and bodies, and that it is also a war crime to commit violence intended to spread terror among

00:17:38.420 civilians, including to imitate or deter them from supporting an adversary. A climate of fear now

00:17:43.920 pervades everyday life in Lebanon. This is from the dissident substack revealed Israel used 0.99

00:17:48.840 Palantir technologies and pager terrorist attack in Lebanon. So what we now know is that this

00:17:54.420 software that we have a lot of concern about here in the U.S., that its use overseas is not just

00:18:00.180 limited to, hey, we went ahead and gathered some data, and that data was somewhat helpful.

00:18:04.240 In Palestine, they've confirmed, they've used Palantir to generate kill lists. A kill list is

00:18:08.720 you generate, you take all the data you have on someone through surveillance, through whatever

00:18:12.680 other means you have, you take it, and you say, hey, 89% probability this guy is a bad guy. This

00:18:18.460 guy is likely to be violent. This guy is likely to be involved in operations. And when you get

00:18:22.300 above a certain threshold, an arbitrary private company can decide, we're going to take you out

00:18:27.120 with a drone strike. Think about that. Your life reduced to, I think of minority report, statistics,

00:18:33.820 all the data that they can have on you combed through, and we'll give this one 92% chance. 0.86

00:18:39.400 He's a terrorist. This one's a 70% chance. All without your knowledge. If that's how it's being

00:18:44.260 used in the Middle East right now, as we can confirm, used in surgical intel operations like

00:18:49.960 in Lebanon, used in Israel, generate kill lists for Palestinian civilians. The point is, and then

00:18:55.860 over here, we've taken it, one of the information problems in the government is called information

00:19:00.440 siloing. You think of the Department of Human Health and Services, and then the IRS. There's

00:19:04.760 a bunch of different departments. Now, all these departments will have a set of data on you, some

00:19:08.980 of it redundant, some of it not. But you can imagine the efficiencies if you could take all

00:19:13.160 of that data and have a central ledger. So it's this person and attached to them, I have all the

00:19:18.160 data i would need for health and human services i have all the data i would need for tax purposes

00:19:21.240 i have all the data i would need for this for that and the other it's all in one central spot

00:19:25.880 well doge came in and said hey we're here to create efficiency among the government we want

00:19:29.580 to end this uh information siloing we all have to have duplicate copies of information and it's

00:19:34.280 incomplete we don't have all of it we don't know who this person is well as best we can tell we

00:19:38.640 don't have anything publicly confirmed but there's been a number of different leaks

00:19:41.320 they use palantir software to do it and so best case scenario they have your data but they're

00:19:47.420 not using it nefariously they have the amount of taxes that you pay they have uh if you reported

00:19:52.580 to for example to a survey to the cdc i got called about this the cdc calls people up and it surveys

00:19:57.480 them about their vaccination for their children now it's not a bad thing it's not we're calling

00:20:02.340 to make sure you vaccinate your kids but that's now a piece of data owned by this company or owned

00:20:07.460 by this department of the government and you begin to piece those pieces together you actually have

00:20:12.120 a pretty powerful system for identifying people who would be a threat to your government,

00:20:17.760 people who wouldn't be.

00:20:19.260 And that's what we're getting at.

00:20:20.740 Okay, there's operations in the Middle East, but you're telling me that same company theoretically

00:20:24.820 now has the data on tens and hundreds of millions of Americans and the people that are the head

00:20:30.140 of that company? 0.76

00:20:31.200 I mean, one is an eccentric homosexual man, Peter Thiel, who's obsessed with the Antichrist, 0.89

00:20:36.920 who when asked about it, should humanity survive or continue? 0.84

00:20:40.800 He had a tough time.

00:20:42.120 It was like 45 seconds of like, wow.

00:20:45.400 And some of that is a little bit of how he's not a very clear speaker, I don't think.

00:20:50.240 The other CEO.

00:20:50.840 He's a clear sweater.

00:20:52.060 He's a clear sweater.

00:20:53.020 I've never seen Peter Thiel not sweating in an interview.

00:20:57.920 He's in a t-shirt and he's just like, man, it's hot in here.

00:21:00.420 My brother in Christ, you are in a cotton t-shirt.

00:21:02.920 You should be fine.

00:21:04.060 But the people involved in those corporations.

00:21:06.160 You said my brother in Christ.

00:21:08.140 Oh, he does claim to be an evangelical Christian. 0.99

00:21:10.980 He's a sodomite. 0.98

00:21:12.120 what are you gonna do um i have one more thing on here but whether when it comes to israel 0.99

00:21:19.820 very close ties so you have peter teal you have alex carp again the guy who says my greatest fear

00:21:25.020 christian nationalist rise to power they take me out i'm on the receiving end of it a company with

00:21:29.960 very close ties to israel at one point they were working so intensely with the government they had

00:21:33.940 opened up a second office in tel aviv when after the october 7th attack palantir took out a full

00:21:39.460 page ad, We Stand with Israel, and offered partnerships or internships for only Jewish

00:21:44.460 students. And it is absolutely worth saying and causing a ruckus and chimping out and about and 1.00

00:21:49.040 saying, what does this company do? What data do they have? What do they plan to do with it? Who

00:21:55.880 is oversight of them? Who are they accountable to? They are a private company, theoretically,

00:22:00.600 because they are publicly traded. They are accountable to shareholders. But what does

00:22:04.760 that even mean? You have, theoretically, a company with all of your information, no guardrails,

00:22:10.760 no restrictions, and, lest we forget, Peter Thiel made J.D. Vance who he is. Now, it's not a sin,

00:22:17.800 it's not immoral for a man who aspires to be a politician to be supported by people who believe

00:22:23.180 in him. Personally, if a longtime mentor came to me and said, I believe in you for U.S. Senate,

00:22:28.060 and I want to put $15 million behind you, depending on who that man was, I'm not going to lie, I would

00:22:33.020 probably say yes. Most people would. So we're not bemoaning that J.D. Vance networked, worked with

00:22:38.960 people, took donations, became a senator, quickly selected to vice president. But because of that,

00:22:44.880 because of the IOUs that is just inherent to human nature, Palantir also, not just their contracts

00:22:50.260 that they have, the things they do for the government, pretty much a direct line we can

00:22:53.880 assume to the White House. Because at the end of the day, Peter Thiel made him who he is. J.D. Vance

00:23:00.320 doesn't, just to be honest about it, he doesn't have a long track record of accomplishments.

00:23:04.840 He didn't start a venture capital fund that was successful. The venture capital fund he

00:23:08.820 actually started went under in just a couple of years. He worked at a VC firm that nobody

00:23:14.600 ever saw him at, part of a failed venture capital firm, wrote a book, probably ghost

00:23:19.420 written, got $15 million and he's a senator. So he was made by someone else. And that someone

00:23:25.560 else is directly tied to this company that now has for all intents and purposes a direct line

00:23:31.840 to the white house that's what we're saying we're not drawing the exact conclusion and they're for

00:23:36.300 sure going to use it to kill u.s citizens we don't do this yeah we don't know but they could

00:23:41.120 yeah it's just we don't really want private companies having that much power uh and the

00:23:47.400 government can just wash its hands right like that's what pilot tried to do right he was a

00:23:51.580 governing official at the time, and he's like, attempted to wash his hands of the guilt, you know,

00:23:56.880 the blood of Christ. But at the end of the day, well, it doesn't really work. Pilate is responsible

00:24:04.500 under God, and many other people were responsible as well for the death of Jesus. But the government

00:24:12.760 today tries to kind of do the same thing. They're able to say, well, you know, it's not legislation,

00:24:18.960 It wasn't an official government policy.

00:24:22.060 We didn't round up this private citizen and put them in jail

00:24:26.320 or make it to where this private citizen couldn't work.

00:24:30.360 Yeah, but what you did was you gave access to a private company

00:24:35.660 that doesn't have the stipulations that the government has,

00:24:39.000 and you gave them access to your databases,

00:24:42.000 and then they, on their own, and the government can say,

00:24:45.360 you know, eat and wipe its mouth and say,

00:24:48.180 I have done no wrong like the Proverbs say and then Palantir has all this information now

00:24:54.100 and Palantir can exactly what you said they could partner with LinkedIn or they could partner with

00:24:58.820 this or partner with that and make it impossible for you to work and you know allegedly no no

00:25:06.220 constitution you know no constitutional rights have been broken it's all just you know the free

00:25:11.700 market, free enterprise, private companies that just so happen to do the bidding of your government

00:25:18.460 or foreign government like Israel, and they're willing to do it for free, or at least allegedly.

00:25:25.600 Alex Karp at one point, this was a couple of years ago, he bragged about stopping the rise

00:25:29.760 of the far right in Europe. We don't know how that happened. But think about that. Hey, there's

00:25:35.140 no right wing movement in Europe right now. There really isn't. There's a guy out there with an

00:25:39.340 analytics company claiming we're the ones who helped stop the rise of that. I think of low

00:25:44.540 level assassinations. Those are extremely powerful. I mean, even Charlie Kirk, we're going to see what

00:25:50.200 happens, what comes of it. Assassination is a powerful tool. Matt Walsh, he was just on Tucker

00:25:54.840 Carlson. He said, well, kind of early on, there was this idea like you strike down Charlie Kirk

00:25:59.020 and there will be a million more Charlies. No, actually, we just lost Charlie. That's how

00:26:02.880 assassination works. Great men drive history. But imagine if you could, with a lot of accuracy,

00:26:10.060 we think this person's going to be a problem. We think he's resonating with the people.

00:26:13.820 It's no exaggeration to say that Trump's ascendancy and rise in 2024, probably predicated by the free

00:26:20.200 speech that was possible on X the year prior. So a little bit of free speech opened up a whole

00:26:24.720 world of possibilities. But then if you come back in, I think of the non-profit NCRI, National

00:26:30.200 a contagion research institute but then these non-profits come in they say hey there's a

00:26:33.880 concerning group of people and they need to be siloed we need to be able to identify them they

00:26:37.760 need to be tagged on social media so their accounts are de-boosted like an algorithm alone

00:26:42.340 can kill a huge message you could have a message that resonates with tons of people

00:26:46.760 but they never see it right well why because the government came in and censored your speech nope

00:26:51.640 a private company decided that's what they wanted to do right it's like oh well it's just competing

00:26:56.280 the free marketplace of ideas um no it's not fair competition it it's not because the deck

00:27:02.720 has been rigged um you know i even in the case of tiktok we've seen i don't know about you know

00:27:09.220 our listeners but i've noticed um a tangible uh difference and suppression of you know my

00:27:17.940 impressions that i'm getting on on the account that i run and um and i can't help but think

00:27:25.000 not on tiktok to be clear you started saying tiktok but just to be clear you're saying on x

00:27:28.740 on x twitter yeah x and so i look at like okay it seems like the algorithm is suppressing my

00:27:35.760 accounts and other accounts uh that share my views well you know this happened about two weeks ago

00:27:42.040 i did is there any other kind of news that came out anything oh well you know netanyahu talked

00:27:48.380 about you know how they took tiktok and how they're going to try to eventually take x and you

00:27:56.100 see larry ellison and and oracle and you know purchasing tiktok and it's like well we can't

00:28:02.220 let china have it yeah but now it's just a handful of billionaire jewish people who are pro-israel

00:28:11.080 and not really necessarily pro-america right um how is that how is that an improvement and

00:28:17.560 netanyahu specifically said we're coming for x next and you know elon still owns the platform

00:28:23.880 but even even with him owning it and it not being directly owned by someone like larry ellison

00:28:30.760 there's still a mass amount of pressure that can be placed on x and on elon from advertisers right

00:28:38.960 that it can't just go belly up it has to be profitable and all that requires is you know a

00:28:45.300 few influential fortune 500 companies to say we will no longer advertise on x if you don't crack

00:28:52.000 down on this specific content and then lo and behold oh we get a an algorithm change and oh

00:28:59.780 which accounts is it suppressing oh the ones that were critical of israel

00:29:04.840 an ex-massad chief this was back in october he's behind the icj blackmail campaign he bragged

00:29:11.700 Israel has installed a global sabotage network. You think of what happened to Hezbollah

00:29:15.820 and Lebanon. Ex-Massad guys are out there bragging, oh, we have that globally. Installed here,

00:29:22.320 installed there, the ability to be turned on in this place. Israel's intelligence, part of that 0.72

00:29:26.560 because they have to survive surrounded by Muslim countries that hate them. We've talked about why

00:29:31.140 that might be in the past, but regardless of why, they're surrounded by a number of different

00:29:34.940 countries that hate their guts. And so they developed one of the most incredible intelligence

00:29:38.480 operations in the world. I mean, Jeffrey Epstein, there's like 95,000 photos that were just released

00:29:43.780 today. And the big question on everyone's mind is, was he an asset for this government that has

00:29:49.020 its tentacles everywhere? And it's very possible one of the biggest tentacles they have, and it's

00:29:54.540 housed right here with access to all your information, the teensy tiny analytics and

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00:32:06.180 capital boldly deployed. Countries that operate in the United States are required to disclose

00:32:14.940 their activities according to something called FARA, the Foreign Agents Registration Act. So if

00:32:20.040 you were, for example, I don't even know, El Salvador, Mexico, and you wanted to create a

00:32:25.760 positive public impression of your president, you couldn't just go in, spend money, and begin

00:32:29.820 running ads on cable television. You'd have to disclose, you could do it, but you have to come

00:32:34.100 out and say, hey, I'm coming in. I want to improve the perception of the president with, I don't even

00:32:39.780 know, Mexican Americans in California. And this is what I'm going to be doing. This is where I'm

00:32:44.180 going to be doing it. And this is how I'm going to be doing it. It's called FARA, the Foreign Agents

00:32:48.680 Registration Act. Now, a lot of people bemoan AIPAC, the American Israeli Public Affairs Committee,

00:32:53.680 because AIPAC is not registered under FARA. That's because AIPAC is actually, for better or worse,

00:32:59.020 it's homegrown. It is not the Israeli government through AIPAC, but it's actually mostly American

00:33:04.380 Jews advocating on behalf of a strong relationship between America and Israel. So just because

00:33:09.400 Americans that may not have been born in America would make them not Americans, but you get what

00:33:13.920 I'm saying. People that live in America that may belong to another nationality, if they are citizens 0.92

00:33:18.740 here, they're allowed to advocate for other countries. But if a foreign country comes in 0.92

00:33:22.840 and they spend money, they have to disclose to the federal government, hey, we're coming in, 0.75

00:33:27.720 we're doing this, this is why we're doing it, and this is the purpose for it. In a foreign 0.66

00:33:32.660 registration, in a FARA form, filed in September of this year, September 27th, at the end of the

00:33:39.320 month, a new California-based LLC, Show Faith by Works, LLC, filed a registration for a campaign

00:33:47.700 here in the United States. Now, a couple different groups have talked about this. I think we just had

00:33:52.180 other news at the time, so we're kind of circling back to something that's been in the air for two

00:33:55.960 months. There's a new update on it. But for the last two months, people have been rightly concerned,

00:34:00.860 rightly alarmed, that the Israeli government, through the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs,

00:34:05.000 working through this U.S. California-based LLC, Show Faith by Works, has been carrying out a

00:34:11.000 targeted campaign of propaganda. That's essentially what you could call it. It is what it is.

00:34:15.800 Targeted campaign of propaganda towards Christian churches for a positive perception of Israel in

00:34:21.740 America. Nathan, you can show the screenshot here on the screen. This is the FARA filing

00:34:25.400 itself. And if you go down and you read what it is that they're going to do, I realize it's a

00:34:31.340 little bit small text to read, but specifically when you look at their mission. So them saying,

00:34:36.880 this is what we're going to carry out. This is their mission statement. Here's what we're going

00:34:41.740 to do. We file this form. We're a foreign government acting on behalf of our interests.

00:34:46.640 What are we going to do? Christian outreach through various grassroots and digital targeting

00:34:50.460 of Christians in the Western U.S.

00:34:52.360 We will create a mobile museum to display at churches,

00:34:54.620 Christian colleges, distribute

00:34:56.120 pro-Israel information online

00:34:58.420 and through targeted and Christian events. 0.74

00:35:00.660 We will target and geofencing

00:35:01.980 digital online tools.

00:35:04.100 We will have teams of people reaching out to churches

00:35:06.200 and pastors and possibly even

00:35:07.840 Christian social media influencers.

00:35:10.560 Can we pull that quote up

00:35:12.280 on the screen?

00:35:16.400 Yeah, it's a little glitchy on my iPad as well.

00:35:18.680 All right.

00:35:18.960 It's from the filing.

00:35:20.820 This is their explicit mission.

00:35:22.600 So this is U.S.-based LLC on behalf of the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

00:35:27.620 That's an official government organization.

00:35:29.980 That's not just one guy started an LLC in Tel Aviv.

00:35:33.640 He decided to do a little bit of homegrown propaganda.

00:35:36.320 Create a mobile museum to display at churches in America and Christian colleges.

00:35:42.640 distribute pro-Israel information online and through targeted and Christian events like

00:35:49.660 conferences or like TPUSA. We will target and geofence and digital online tools.

00:36:00.080 That's not a typo. That's just their writing. It's that bad.

00:36:02.380 Bad writing. We will have teams of people reaching out to churches and pastors and possibly

00:36:08.620 even Christian social media influencers. So they're going to be propagandizing your pastor,

00:36:16.020 your church, the social media, Christian social media influencer that you follow,

00:36:21.820 setting up mobile museums to display at churches and Christian colleges, pro-Israel information

00:36:28.660 online through targeted measures at Christian events and conferences. That's a big deal.

00:36:39.600 And they have the funding for it because they're funded by a foreign government. So Israel's GDP,

00:36:44.020 I just looked that up, it's like $600 billion. You can imagine a proportion of that in your tax

00:36:48.220 revenue. That's essentially available to a foreign government to come in and say,

00:36:53.120 we know who our biggest supporters are, we know we're losing some of them, and we're going to go

00:36:57.040 in and get them. And what's even more nefarious is in this filing, you have to also state the

00:37:01.080 location that you're going to be doing these acts on behalf of a foreign agency. There's a church

00:37:06.880 list of a thousand churches here in the United States, ranked by state, ranked by the town they're

00:37:11.860 in, ranked by the size. My iPad's not loading it up. But there's over a thousand churches here in

00:37:17.740 the U.S. Oh, there it is. You can see the list. 5,000 people here, 3,000 people here, 20,000

00:37:22.700 people attend this church. And these are the churches that they're doing something called

00:37:25.540 geofencing. So geofencing is, imagine I was to go to a barbecue convention. Yeah, real quick. These

00:37:31.220 thousand churches, if you don't think that it's a big deal, oh, only a thousand. If you read the

00:37:36.860 numbers, and it's been leaked, the average number of the congregants of each of these churches,

00:37:42.640 the average is well over a thousand, even if it was a thousand flat, right? A thousand times a

00:37:47.760 page I'm looking at here is a million. Mostly two to four. This looks more like, yeah, so this is

00:37:53.460 more like two to four million um and so you're you're talking about you know one percent of the

00:38:00.560 american population at that point um being influenced uh by you know by a foreign government

00:38:09.080 and like i said in the cold open because i don't want this point to be lost uh i am not happy by

00:38:16.360 any stretch of the imagination uh just at a political level of the nation state of israel

00:38:21.660 influencing Americans in my country for their good instead of our own nation's good. 0.85

00:38:29.140 But I am even more concerned as a Christian man and as a pastor about the indoctrination of all 0.71

00:38:37.060 these Christian influencers and Christian pastors and Christian politicians who will then go and

00:38:43.780 and espouse false doctrine. It's not what the Bible teaches. Dispensationalism is false doctrine.

00:38:52.280 It is not biblical doctrine. This idea that Christians today, in the year of our Lord, 0.95

00:38:58.040 2025, on the other side of the planet, here in America, have a spiritual, moral, biblical

00:39:05.520 obligation to make sure that those of Jewish ethnicity, whatever that means, have land rights 0.96

00:39:14.980 on the other side of the planet? That's not what the Bible teaches.

00:39:21.260 And it's pretty nefarious how they go about it. So you can imagine a mobile museum. So let's say

00:39:25.980 that would be a Jerusalem or what actually a lot of times they'll do on different tours. So if

00:39:29.900 someone with the Herzl Institute, for instance, is bringing Christians on a tour, but they 0.88

00:39:34.180 themselves are not necessarily christians is they'll still take christians to the holy signs

00:39:38.720 so you could say uh well the tomb of christ or calvary or the garden at least the locations

00:39:43.880 that we think that they were they themselves will not be christians yoram hozoni is an orthodox jew

00:39:48.460 right but they'll show christians the things they want to see i just got in a twitter beef with

00:39:55.440 stephen wolf i i dipped my toes in just a little bit but um dabble in some twitter but essentially

00:40:02.760 The summary of it was he was saying that, you know, Jews and Christians are inextricably bound to one another and have been for thousands of years because of the Old Testament and that the Old Testament is inherently Jewish and therefore Christians cannot get away from their Jewish roots, that the Christian faith is built on a Jewish foundation.

00:40:29.600 It's really confused, would be the most charitable way I could put it, the least charitable, but perhaps more accurate.

00:40:39.040 I don't know. God knows his heart. I don't know.

00:40:40.940 But it's deceitful, intentionally confusing language and rhetoric that takes that word Jewish and in one instance means it ethnically,

00:40:50.820 in another instance means it politically as a nation state, and then the next instance is using it religiously.

00:40:57.640 No, Christianity is not Jewish. I don't think in any stretch of the word Jewish, but certainly not 0.84

00:41:07.380 if we're speaking of it being Jewish religiously. The Old Testament is a Christian text. All the

00:41:15.340 writers of the Old Testament, whether it be Isaiah or Moses or Daniel, these are Christians.

00:41:24.260 They're Christians.

00:41:25.320 Some of them, many of them were Jewish in terms of ethnicity, but all of them were Christians

00:41:32.060 regenerated by the Spirit of God.

00:41:34.060 And as for those Old Testament authors inspired by the Holy Spirit, all of them are speaking

00:41:41.100 ultimately of Christ. 0.84

00:41:43.360 The only difference for an Old Testament Christian, which is a thing, versus a New Testament

00:41:49.120 Christian is that Old Testament Christians looked forward to the coming Christ, and we look 0.55

00:41:55.240 backward to the Christ who already came and promises to come again. Adam and Eve, Jewish, 0.68

00:42:01.440 no, Adam and Eve, Christian. They were Christians. God himself, when he came and brought judgment 0.96

00:42:07.900 because they ate of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, God said to the woman

00:42:14.680 and to the serpent he said of the serpent that i'll put enmity between your offspring and the 0.95

00:42:20.720 woman's offspring and you shall strike his that the woman would eventually bear a son

00:42:27.400 her offspring being singular speaking of christ you the serpent you will strike his heel but he

00:42:33.760 will crush your head um adam and eve are not in hell adam and eve are in heaven they were saved

00:42:39.820 How were they saved? Because they trusted in the serpent crusher. They trusted that God would send

00:42:46.080 a redeemer who would ultimately crush Satan under his feet and that he would be born of a woman,

00:42:52.800 the offspring of Eve, and later on the son of Mary, and that he would be ultimately the son

00:42:59.040 of God who would bring redemption and salvation. Adam and Eve were saved not by Judaism, not by

00:43:05.540 anything jewish adam and eve were saved by grace god's gift in giving us a savior redeemer through

00:43:13.280 faith they weren't saved by works either they were trusting in the promise contained within god's

00:43:19.740 judgment right the earth is now cursed because of adam and his sin the woman her childbearing pains

00:43:26.780 will be greatly increased right uh the serpent he'd be cursed to crawl in his belly and eventually 0.64

00:43:32.500 the offspring of the woman would crush his head. All these curses are dealt out. And yet,

00:43:37.320 kind of like to use nerdy video game language, like an Easter egg, like a secret contained

00:43:43.420 within the programming, contained within these judgments that God deals out is a promise.

00:43:48.880 And it's the first promise that we find in the scripture in Genesis chapter three,

00:43:53.340 an articulation from God himself of the promised Messiah, of the gospel. So Adam and Eve are

00:44:00.660 Christians. Moses is a Christian. Jonah was a Christian. Isaiah was a Christian. Jeremiah 0.86

00:44:06.620 was a Christian. The Old Testament is a Christian, a Christian scriptural, holy text. And so my point

00:44:16.700 all the way back to Yoram Harzoni, the idea that somehow we're on the same team, it boggles

00:44:28.700 the mind he's saying well you know you have to you have to be basic as essentially he was arguing

00:44:34.740 with steven wolf and saying you know you have to be pro-jewish um because we share stuck in this

00:44:40.780 together right but but he's not even saying you should be pro-jewish because a christian principle

00:44:46.040 is that you wouldn't have hatred towards someone based off of their ethnicity he's not making that

00:44:51.360 argument see that that's where the language gets hijacked and it gets i think intentionally tricky

00:44:56.560 and deceptive, because in that instance,

00:44:59.920 he's essentially asserting that Christians

00:45:01.920 must be pro-Jewish, but he's not speaking ethnically.

00:45:05.740 He's saying we must be pro-Jewish,

00:45:07.480 and then he gives the impetus for why,

00:45:09.040 and he says our religions are bound.

00:45:10.820 So in what way is he ultimately insisting

00:45:14.540 that Christians should be pro-Jewish?

00:45:16.040 Jewish ethnically?

00:45:17.100 Jewish nationally? 0.62

00:45:18.060 No, Jewish religiously. 1.00

00:45:20.560 But the religion, the Jewish religion 0.99

00:45:22.620 of Talmudic Judaism is anti-Christ. 1.00

00:45:26.560 They literally believe that Jesus is in hell, that he was a bastard born of a harlot. 1.00

00:45:32.480 He's a false prophet. 1.00

00:45:34.380 What fellowship does light have with darkness?

00:45:37.440 And so this is ultimately, this is how deep the rabbit hole goes.

00:45:42.740 And there are many, and I'm not trying to put anybody on blast.

00:45:48.380 I won't give a bunch of names or anything like that, although I do have names.

00:45:53.500 But there are many before this most recent trip.

00:45:56.000 many who have taken a trip to Israel, either with Arzoni or with this most recent, you know,

00:46:03.340 conference spots. But that's kind of the play. That's kind of the strategy is, hey, would you

00:46:11.520 like to go on an all expenses paid sponsored trip to Israel to see where Jesus walked, to see the

00:46:17.620 holy site? To see where he was born. Right. Yeah. And, you know, it's not a bribe, right? It makes

00:46:22.580 me think of the other guys with, you know, Will Ferrell and Mark Wahlberg, you know, where like

00:46:26.980 the bad guy, you know, the crook, you know, who's managing this hedge fund and stealing from all

00:46:31.820 his clients. And they know he's the bad guy. They're there as detectives to arrest him. And 0.93

00:46:36.880 he says, hey guys, how would you like front row seats, you know, at this musical or at this Knicks

00:46:42.720 game, you know, and it's not a bribe. And then they, you know, they take it and they show up

00:46:47.900 and like halfway through the event, they kind of look at each other and realize, oh my goodness,

00:46:51.480 we just took a bribe. It's like, hey, how would you like an all expenses paid trip to Israel to

00:46:56.040 see the holy sites of Jesus? It's not a bribe. But then you come back, and I'm not saying all

00:47:03.440 trips are equal. So I'm not saying that some of the trips that guys have been on are like this

00:47:08.240 recent trip where it was a thousand Christian pastors with the express purpose of equipping

00:47:13.320 them and teaching them to come back and encourage their congregations to be pro-Israel. So I'm not

00:47:20.320 saying every sponsored trip uh has that explicit of an agenda um but that's kind of it seems like

00:47:28.260 that's how it works you get invited on a trip you come back and maybe you don't start tweeting out

00:47:33.480 you know every day something you know positive about israel but you know you at least think

00:47:38.200 once or twice before tweeting out something negative maybe maybe you start doing a little

00:47:42.260 bit less negative uh posts and then you get invited to something else or maybe you find 0.99

00:47:46.900 yourself speaking at a conference or whatever and it's just it's weird it's weird if china was doing 0.69

00:47:53.400 this it would be on it'd be on on the news every day of the week we'd be talking about it if russia

00:47:59.720 was doing this right it would be this this major you know political story i mean remember russiagate

00:48:06.920 with donald trump remember when tucker carlson just interviewed the president to ask his side

00:48:11.820 of the ukraine story yeah i mean weeks russian agent russian this russian that for one visit

00:48:17.060 to conduct a neutral interview i imagine if you're not the ukraine president but putin russian

00:48:22.240 yeah russian president thousands of influencers to is right they all yeah exactly when tucker

00:48:27.420 interviewed putin because nobody was talking to him they were only talking to zelinski but he goes

00:48:33.560 and interviews putin and immediately um and i'm not saying that there can't be any fair criticism

00:48:39.840 Tucker wouldn't say that, but my point is like, there was a ton of criticism.

00:48:44.480 Everybody was coming out and saying, well, why would you talk to him?

00:48:48.260 And why would you do this interview? And why did you, you know,

00:48:51.300 you gave off this impression of Russia and that's not really true. Yeah.

00:48:54.720 The train station's really nice,

00:48:56.560 but you didn't show the other parts of Russia that are run down and this is

00:49:00.300 propaganda and like, okay, fine, fine. Maybe,

00:49:04.040 maybe there's some elements of propaganda and I'm not saying there,

00:49:08.040 there are there or there aren't but i will say that it's a fair criticism you're allowed to

00:49:13.280 levy that criticism to say that i think that there's at least some portion of propaganda

00:49:18.500 in tucker carlson going to russia and doing this interview okay well if that's the case

00:49:24.640 then then whatever your degree of vitriol towards tucker carlson with the whole putin interview

00:49:31.560 is that should be multiplied to infinity

00:49:34.980 with this recent trip.

00:49:37.420 And it's not with a church pastor.

00:49:39.060 Think about this.

00:49:40.020 It's not one guy, Tucker Carlson,

00:49:41.860 who, and what's his role?

00:49:42.840 He's a journalist, right?

00:49:45.520 He's a podcaster.

00:49:47.200 He's a news guy, right?

00:49:48.840 But in this case, it's not one guy.

00:49:50.440 It's a thousand.

00:49:51.540 And a thousand journalists?

00:49:53.480 No, a thousand pastors are going to Israel

00:49:56.900 and they're being taught political talking points.

00:49:59.520 That already is alarming in and of itself.

00:50:02.620 No, they're being taught theological, scriptural talking points

00:50:06.020 to come back and convince the evangelical Protestant base of Christians in America

00:50:11.800 that we have a religious and theological scriptural obligation

00:50:17.120 to be for a foreign country, even at the expense of our own.

00:50:22.720 That is insane. 0.98

00:50:24.740 And they're doing it because they are reliant on our support to survive.

00:50:28.520 it's a one-sided relationship right israel without america is going to have a hard time 0.87

00:50:34.080 they're sequestered between all these muslim nations that they've kind of pissed off over 0.54

00:50:38.160 the last five decades america without israel we'd be fine so it's a very one-sided relationship 0.95

00:50:44.440 and they get it they get it better than most evangelicals do the christian base the it's white 0.52

00:50:51.900 evangelicals protestants specifically if we're being honest white evangelical protestants that

00:50:57.180 base, when the support ends, when the support dips below 50, 40, 30 percent of that base

00:51:03.360 supporting them as far as giving, as far as pastors, the gravy train is over. You are stuck

00:51:09.400 on an island surrounded by a lot of very unhappy people. And the last thing I'll add to this that

00:51:14.040 was disclosed in this farah, and then I want to get to the recent event they literally just held

00:51:17.880 last week for all of these pastors sending them back with a commission to be pro-Israel in these

00:51:22.740 churches the far also the farah back with pagers wait no wait walkie-talkies um the far disclosure

00:51:30.220 also said that they're going to geofence certain locations so what geofencing is is imagine me and

00:51:35.420 you joel went to a barbecue convention we tried a bunch of different barbecue and if there's two

00:51:39.800 three thousand people there what may might make sense if you had a smoker company is to then

00:51:45.180 target devices not the individuals because you don't know who specifically but you can look at

00:51:49.700 the device id and you can say i'm going to target for ads for smoke pits barbecue offset smoker

00:51:57.080 pellets these 3 000 devices that over the weekend were here at this barbecue convention why because

00:52:03.460 i know these are probably men interested in barbecue wanting to buy the latest tools now

00:52:07.980 that's not immoral that's completely innocuous that's well i don't know about completely innocuous

00:52:12.140 it's good marketing it's good capitalism it's capitalism it is capitalism which does not mean

00:52:18.260 that it's amoral no but this one geofencing so they have a list of 1 000 u.s churches as we

00:52:24.900 noted it probably represents two to three million parishioners and attendees right and they

00:52:28.900 specifically disclosed we are going to geofence these churches so as you come with your device

00:52:33.320 in the vicinity of these church we are going to reserve the rights to show them ads garnering

00:52:38.740 their support for israel so you stop by for the weekend to a church when you're out of town

00:52:42.840 geofenced targeted for ads your elderly parents the church that they go to oh we've got this

00:52:48.520 device coming back to this church again and again and again better make sure to show them a couple

00:52:52.740 ads to shore up their support it's malicious it is just to put it plainly um you need to be aware

00:52:59.100 of this that um like over the holidays for instance if you go back home right to southern

00:53:04.480 california to visit your you know your mom and dad your kids me mom papa whatever it is and you know

00:53:12.180 you want to honor your father and mother and it may not be a church that you entirely agree with

00:53:17.020 you know their doctrinal tenants and those things but it's your mom and dad's church maybe it's the

00:53:21.480 church you grew up in and so you know you're going to be a good sport you're not going to

00:53:25.340 cause strife on christmas you know so uh this sunday you know we're here visiting mom and dad

00:53:30.320 the grandparents for the holidays and so we're going to go to church with them well if that means

00:53:35.600 that you're going to Calvary Chapel,

00:53:38.300 if you're going to Rob McCoy's church,

00:53:40.540 you should expect that week

00:53:42.960 to see some pro-Israel ads on your phone.

00:53:45.780 And we're telling you now you know why.

00:53:49.160 That's weird.

00:53:50.780 Weird is a really kind way to put it.

00:53:52.660 It's not just organic.

00:53:53.720 It's not just, oh, this is coming up.

00:53:55.400 Maybe it's relevant.

00:53:56.260 Maybe it's not.

00:53:57.140 Targeted to you 0.97

00:53:58.200 because you are attending a Christian church

00:54:00.200 and they know that's their base that supports them.

00:54:03.580 Let's play this clip from Mike Huckabee.

00:54:05.600 This was, like I said, last week, December 6th, at a gathering, the largest of its kind

00:54:10.200 since the formation of the modern state of Israel, for over a thousand pastors and Christian

00:54:14.280 influencers.

00:54:15.820 But I say to you that those who are saying things that are negative about Israel that

00:54:20.140 are not true, they have the free speech right to say them, but you have the free speech

00:54:26.780 responsibility to push back, stand up, speak up, and say, not in this country, America,

00:54:35.600 America will not stand silent.

00:54:55.360 We need the pulpits of America to be on fire with truth, not propaganda.

00:55:01.840 Nobody is asking you to go back to America and tell some story made up about Israel.

00:55:07.400 Nobody is asking you to go and present some version of history that doesn't exist.

00:55:14.340 Simply being asked to go back and tell the truth.

00:55:17.160 And tell it from the scriptures.

00:55:20.180 Because you could tell it from the front pages of the New York Times and it would not be the truth.

00:55:26.020 But if you tell it from the holy word of the holy God, you will be telling the truth.

00:55:30.400 the scripture may very visibly say that this is the land that god gave to the jewish people 0.96

00:55:41.760 and he said he will bless those who bless israel but he will curse those who curse israel 0.60

00:55:49.920 yeah so we're not asking you to go back and propagandize your congregants your churches your

00:55:56.160 fellow American citizens, your children, your neighbors, your friends. I'm not telling you to

00:56:01.240 go back and propagandize them. We're just telling you to go back and tell them the truth. Okay. And

00:56:05.840 what is the truth? Uh, well the, you know, the political history of Israel. No, he tells you

00:56:12.460 the truth. It's a theological in his mind truth. And that theological truth is that the Bible

00:56:19.880 somehow explicitly teaches that there is an eternal land right, an eternal land right all

00:56:27.380 the way up until the coming of Christ. And even then for a thousand years for his literal earthly

00:56:32.840 reign, there is an indefinite land right, fiat, divine given to one ethnic people in this

00:56:43.240 particular place and that that's the Bible, that the Bible teaches that. And furthermore,

00:56:50.540 that America as a nation under God will be cursed if we curse Israel. And what is Israel in this 0.66

00:57:01.580 case? Well, Israel is the people of God, the new covenant people, right? No, no, he means

00:57:07.000 ethnically jewish people right if you if america as a nation politically financially

00:57:12.660 blesses ashkenazi jews then they'll be blessed and he's and again who is his audience it's pastors 0.88

00:57:21.980 a thousand pastors representative of two to three million congregants evangelical congregants in the

00:57:29.200 united states of america and he is commissioning these people to go back and to teach christians

00:57:34.860 that God has put under their watch to teach them that they need to lobby their government,

00:57:41.920 their fellow American citizens, through cultural power, political power, and informal and informal

00:57:48.660 influence to be pro-Israel. Pro-Israel with our tax dollars, pro-Israel if it means defending them

00:57:57.040 and sending our sons to die in war and joining them in the battles that many of them, they 0.79

00:58:03.860 if they don't instigate them, a lot of them I do think they instigate, but even if they don't

00:58:09.500 instigate them, they retaliate in cruel ways. You did something that really was terrible on October

00:58:17.040 7th, two years ago. Okay. Now you're all going to die. All of you are just going to commit genocide

00:58:24.700 as a normal retaliation. That's not normal. And the reality is Israel is aware. They recognize

00:58:32.320 that the vast majority of the world at this point has soured on the nation of Israel. The vast

00:58:39.840 majority of the world has a bad taste in their mouth. They're saying, wait a second, no, this

00:58:46.080 isn't right. This isn't humane. This isn't moral. And so what does Israel do when they realize that

00:58:55.860 they're falling out of favor on the world stage, who are the biggest suckers that they can employ 0.82

00:59:02.420 in their ranks to try to turn the tide in arguably the most powerful nation in the world to be able

00:59:08.460 to continue to commission them as an ally? Pastors. Christian pastors. Think about, like,

00:59:16.020 you need to feel that, honestly, as an evangelical. And I am an evangelical. I feel this too.

00:59:22.840 But we need to sit with that for a moment and just be honest that we just have to be honest about the truth that the nation state of Israel knows good and well that if they're looking for the biggest suckers in the world to sell, you know, oceanfront property in Kansas to, there's one group of people that rises to the top of their list, evangelical Christians. 0.71

00:59:52.840 If you're an evangelical Christian, you need to know Israel's laughing at you. 1.00

00:59:58.880 They target you because you're the stupidest person in our country. 1.00

01:00:05.060 You are the easiest target, the biggest sucker, the most gullible, the most naive. 1.00

01:00:12.280 And it's really sad as an evangelical Christian. 1.00

01:00:14.900 I love evangelical Christians. 0.99

01:00:16.400 It's really sad to know that I'm a part of who I believe to be, for the most part, precious people who genuinely, I believe the vast majority of them genuinely love the Lord Jesus and yet are exceptionally stupid. 0.99

01:00:32.220 It's incredible to me. 0.96

01:00:33.360 We've talked about it before, but that verse that's always cited, right?

01:00:36.340 Those that bless Israel will be blessed.

01:00:38.280 That's not what Genesis 12, 1 through 3 says.

01:00:42.160 It says,

01:00:42.560 Now the Lord said unto Abraham,

01:00:43.600 Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house. 1.00

01:00:46.720 Unto a land I will show thee, and I will make of thee a great nation. 1.00

01:00:49.140 And I will bless thee, and I will make thy name great.

01:00:51.520 And thou shalt be a blessing.

01:00:52.580 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee.

01:00:56.600 And in thee shall all the families of the earth be blessed.

01:00:59.320 And Paul goes in, in Galatians, when he's dealing with the heresy

01:01:02.460 of holding on to the old substance, the old structure, the old shadow.

01:01:05.980 And he gives us the divine interpretation of who thee is there.

01:01:09.900 So, all right, you bless Abraham, you'll be blessed.

01:01:11.700 what do we mean by Abraham? Is it his physical offspring? Paul gives us the divine interpretation

01:01:17.340 of it, that pastors and Mike Huckabee should know. Know ye therefore that they which are of faith

01:01:23.220 the same are the children of Abraham. And the scripture foreseeing that God would justify the

01:01:27.800 heathen through faith preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all the

01:01:32.300 nations be blessed. So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. So he's like,

01:01:37.920 don't lie don't repeat propaganda and then goes on and butchers a bible verse that we know exactly

01:01:44.340 what it's actually referring to to get his point across like literally in the same 90 second clip

01:01:49.860 it's incredible it's shameless i'm almost in awe of somebody being able to do that with a straight

01:01:54.860 face hey just go out there and you give them for them give them the facts and here's a verse that

01:01:59.680 i very conveniently inserted a word that doesn't really belong there and the bible tells me is not

01:02:04.180 true interpretation right it's it's incredible yes who are we called to bless and not curse

01:02:09.940 god's chosen people yeah god's chosen people who are christians we're called to bless the

01:02:16.200 spiritual seed of abraham not the nation state of israel 2 000 years removed right from you know

01:02:24.080 the death burial and resurrection of jesus i see that there's must be someone new to this channel

01:02:29.920 he put in the chat he said is joel talking about islamic somalians might as well be if you

01:02:36.620 acknowledge the hostility from the one talking about israel you should acknowledge the hostility 0.89

01:02:42.100 from the other um you must you must be new here um yeah every single somalian needs to be rounded 0.80

01:02:50.640 up and deported uh we say that on a pretty regular basis so mike huckabee who is an american citizen

01:02:58.360 um mike huckabee also i think should be an honorary deportee um he'd be thrilled if he

01:03:05.940 got deported yeah honestly he probably would so he should be deported but um there's there's room

01:03:12.220 for all we are equal opportunists when it comes to uh mass deportation so ilhan omar absolutely

01:03:19.200 and her brother that she allegedly married to cheat the system she needs to be on that plane 0.99

01:03:25.740 as well. So yeah, deport them all. Consequences for every foreign actor that is attempting to 0.88

01:03:32.560 hijack our country. And Somalians, I do believe they don't belong here. They have been a net 1.00

01:03:38.060 negative on America. But I also believe that Israel has been a net negative on America. 1.00

01:03:44.280 The difference, here's the difference. The difference is that when it comes to my tribe, 0.97

01:03:50.460 evangelical christians i i don't see evangelical christians in mass right or influential leaders

01:04:00.620 like pastors of large megachurches a thousand of them in mass taking week-long trips to somalia

01:04:07.620 and being equipped with talking points for how they can go back and encourage their congregations

01:04:13.460 representative of two to three million Christians in our country to politically support Somalia and

01:04:21.460 theologically support Somalia. See, that's the difference. People will point out, as this person 0.79

01:04:28.540 in the comments did, well, it seems like you guys are, it's fine to criticize Israel or not like

01:04:36.000 Israel, but it seems like you guys are not being even-handed with your criticisms. They're not the

01:04:42.760 only foreign country, you know, that's invading our land and blah, blah, blah. Yeah, that may be 1.00

01:04:49.360 true. But what really is unique in the case of Israel is that it's been ingrained in our pulpits, 0.88

01:04:57.080 not just with our politicians. That has happened as well. But when it comes to Jewish people,

01:05:05.040 it's different than Somalians in the sense that they're playing off of a religious argument. 0.68

01:05:11.920 they're playing off of a theological argument they're not just twisting policy they're twisting

01:05:18.260 scripture and as a christian and an evangelical christian pastor at that um i think that it's

01:05:26.340 well within my place to speak about there's also too i mean the measure of how effective they are

01:05:33.320 there are not uh 200 some united states representatives from the house of representatives

01:05:38.760 traveling to Somalia under the banner, 50 states, one Somalia, right? 50 states, one Afghanistan.

01:05:46.340 No, there's one country in the world where whether you're Republican or Democrat, both come together

01:05:50.980 to say, this is the one thing that we adore. And I recognize not every single Republican necessarily

01:05:56.000 feels that way. And even the Democratic Party has soured on Israel for the most part. But when it

01:06:00.440 comes to the two groups, they can't agree on anything. It's gun rights, it's abortion, the

01:06:04.220 taxes, it's healthcare, they differ on all these different things. And they will come together,

01:06:08.020 50 states, one Israel. But Somalia, they're not visiting. They don't hold the sway over our

01:06:13.320 government that Israel does. And so it's worth saying, yeah, Somalians that are here, legally

01:06:18.460 or illegally, C.J. Engel likes to say, I do not distinguish, legal or illegal immigration.

01:06:23.280 Legally or illegally, yeah, it's a problem. They don't also have hardly any sway anywhere it seems

01:06:28.400 like outside of Minnesota. So naturally, the one that's more threatening, more powerful,

01:06:33.040 holds a greater sway has thousands of pastors over there being taught to come back and advocate on

01:06:38.700 their behalf the minute there are 2 000 pastors in somalia being taught to go back and bring a

01:06:44.040 message of friendliness of islam to america and to american churches you can bet you know what the

01:06:49.360 live stream is going to be for that day until that happens we will focus on the one that actually

01:06:53.540 occurred last week yep uh somebody put in the chat i i think that it's well said we can handle

01:06:59.440 the orcs once we get the wizards under control we're able to walk and chew bubble gum here as

01:07:06.020 christian men we can walk and chew gum at the same time but that that is a good point that you know 0.56

01:07:10.900 it's not like every jewish person person in america agrees there are jews on the right jews

01:07:16.160 on the left i will say though in terms of voting patterns if we're doing a bit of noticing i think

01:07:22.120 it's like 80 something percent vote um left um in in major elections 80 something percent of jews

01:07:29.160 in america who are american citizens are voting left so it's it's not it's not even by any stretch

01:07:36.220 of the imagination but there are right uh right wing leaning or you know gop republican jewish

01:07:42.800 people in america however even in that instance although they may be vying for different things

01:07:51.700 those different things aren't really all that different at the end of the day. They fit hand

01:07:57.160 in glove. They work in tandem with one another. You have right-wing influence, GOP, and not just

01:08:06.120 Jewish influence, but that's certainly a part of it, pushing the GOP to be involved in wars, 0.55

01:08:14.160 to go over to the Middle East for regime change, you know, or to export our sacred democracy 0.51

01:08:20.000 and often to partner with Israel and to fight their wars 0.78

01:08:24.320 and to fight Muslim countries. 0.92

01:08:25.780 And so you have Jews on the right here in America 0.89

01:08:29.800 who are not like Jews on the left. 0.67

01:08:33.160 They're advocating for different things, 0.92

01:08:36.040 but one thing that they advocate for is war.

01:08:39.720 They advocate for war and American involvement in wars in the Middle East

01:08:43.940 that does what? 0.99

01:08:45.100 Well, it displaces Muslims. 1.00

01:08:48.200 Now you have all these refugees. 0.84

01:08:50.000 then you have Jews in America on the left who advocate for porous borders and greater refugee 0.89

01:08:57.460 status to take all these displaced Muslims because the right-leaning Jews in America 0.54

01:09:04.220 pushed for our involvement in wars that displaced them. And then the left-leaning Jews in America 0.78

01:09:10.520 say, hey, let's bring them here. And so it's funny that, you know, yes, I'm aware of the 0.97

01:09:16.780 tensions that exist between Muslims and Jews. I'm aware that they're not necessarily friendly

01:09:23.980 with one another, and yet Jewish influence actually has lent, I think, a great deal

01:09:32.200 significantly towards the increase of Muslims in Western countries. So as much as Jews don't like 0.95

01:09:40.140 Muslims, Jews who find themselves in Western countries as citizens from the right side of 0.80

01:09:49.260 the aisle, pressing for war in the Middle East that displaces Muslims, and the left side of the

01:09:53.840 aisle opening up borders and making it easier for them to come and immigrate here. The Jewish

01:09:59.860 influence, as much as it doesn't like Muslims, always seems to end up resulting in more Muslims 1.00

01:10:06.660 here in the west incredible incredible so yes you kind of have to deal with the wizards 0.94

01:10:12.780 um and not just the orcs otherwise it's it's like bailing water out of the ship without ever

01:10:19.080 patching up the hole yeah let's go to our last commercial break and then we will handle super

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01:13:51.040 Let's do it. We're waiting. They're coming on the screen. Here they are. First one is from

01:13:56.380 dapperdan1993 he said wes my family will be watching those classic american musicals this

01:14:04.040 christmas in your honor that is a sad thing to inflict on a family it's like christmas presents

01:14:09.980 family carols musicals carols you're already carols are great you're already almost there

01:14:16.860 right do you see how the difference between the two though so christmas carols uh hark the herald

01:14:21.720 angels sing musicals you're young uh yeah all right hhs 9045 send in a super chat thank you

01:14:33.200 very much will the glorified nations this is a good question in the new earth retain their distinct

01:14:38.040 biological heritage and cultural identity and if so what is our responsibility now

01:14:43.360 in building towards that eternal reality yes we believe in a bodily resurrection

01:14:49.860 That's what the Bible teaches.

01:14:52.040 And so we believe that, you know, the Apostle Paul says,

01:14:56.520 to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.

01:14:58.960 So upon the death of believers,

01:15:02.300 we believe that they are spiritually present at that moment with the Lord in glory.

01:15:08.200 But that a day is coming, a finality to human history

01:15:12.320 and the culmination of the kingdom of God,

01:15:15.260 where Christ will bodily return and he will raise to life.

01:15:19.360 both the redeemed and the damned, the redeemed unto glory, and we will be reunited with our

01:15:28.680 physical bodies now glorified. So there will be some distinctions to be sure. These will be bodies

01:15:34.620 that can no longer be injured. They'll no longer be fatigued. We'll no longer go hungry. They'll

01:15:40.280 be immortal, but it will still be our body. And we also know from the book of Revelation

01:15:46.820 that every tribe and tongue will be represented at the wedding supper of the Lamb

01:15:55.780 and before the throne of God in worship and eternity.

01:16:00.340 So in eternity, there will be different people in their physical bodies.

01:16:05.880 We don't get another body.

01:16:08.100 It's this body resurrected and made new.

01:16:11.160 So there's the glorification of this body, which assumes distinctions, but it is the same body.

01:16:20.420 And so, yes, I do believe that we will be able to visibly discern as we look at others and audibly discern as we hear them speak.

01:16:28.660 Oh, that is a different person from a different nation. 0.55

01:16:33.080 Oh, I can tell that this is a Chinese Christian.

01:16:35.940 This is a Ugandan Christian.

01:16:38.180 Jesus is recognizable when he's raised.

01:16:40.340 they recognize him because he looked similar to what they saw in his earthly ministry before his

01:16:46.260 death yes so um it's going to be the same body not another body but this body made new and um we know

01:16:54.180 that there will be different tongues languages spoken in heaven i i think it's probably safe

01:17:00.380 to assume that in our heavenly state that we'll have understanding of all the different languages

01:17:05.920 that there won't be language barriers.

01:17:07.660 So I'll be able to understand someone speaking in a different tongue.

01:17:11.900 But different tongues will still be used.

01:17:14.260 It's not like we're going to go to heaven

01:17:15.880 and everybody will just now speak English

01:17:18.560 or everybody now speaks Hebrew.

01:17:20.940 There'll be different tongues represented,

01:17:23.380 different resurrected, glorified physical bodies represented.

01:17:29.160 And yeah, so there will be diversity in heaven.

01:17:32.640 And the irony is that in eternity, diversity in heaven, what it pre-assumes is that distinctions are maintained on earth.

01:17:43.460 If no distinctions are maintained on earth, if we get rid of every border and every nation and just fully embrace globalism and everybody just mixes together and we all speak one social credit score and one language and everyone intermarries,

01:18:01.000 and you know then um in just a few short generations you actually no longer have

01:18:07.560 distinctions on earth and and in heaven you know there'd just be one language that's represented

01:18:12.880 and and one you know type of person physically that we would be able to visually discern

01:18:18.280 represented um so yeah i i think that the way that the bible speaks of the heavenly eternal state

01:18:24.940 pre-assumes distinctions here on earth. And we're not Gnostics. Gnosticism was

01:18:31.520 a Christian heresy. We believe that the spiritual is of infinite value, but the physical still

01:18:37.920 matters. The spiritual being of greater importance doesn't mean that the physical, material world

01:18:43.840 that God made and said is good, that it suddenly, because of Christian faith, has no value at all.

01:18:49.900 That's not what the Bible teaches. So languages and culture and distinct peoples and societies

01:18:58.060 and nations, this is all biblical language. And these are things that I believe are meant to be

01:19:05.120 preserved. Yep. Well said. Longtime super chatter and supporter, Reformed Farmer, wrote in,

01:19:11.960 good afternoon. Any reading materials on this? Keep up the good work. And that was during the

01:19:16.500 segment when i saw the super chat we were talking about who's really israel what do you think any

01:19:21.940 good reading materials yeah there's uh really good reading material uh coming on um about what

01:19:29.540 16 days or 19 days 19 days um be looking on alerts heads up ears to the ground um but yeah uh very

01:19:40.280 early january within the first couple days of january there will be some really great reading

01:19:45.140 material that you will uh you'll hear all about great stuff uh brown anglo sax sent in the super

01:19:51.640 chat and asked ever tried ice cream on your eggnog game changer i believe it that actually

01:19:57.200 sounds good you're telling me the one element the one food that is per capita tough word sweeter

01:20:03.380 than eggnog and you add it to it and you don't get type 2 diabetes am i meant to understand this

01:20:10.080 correctly he never says you want to get type 2 diabetes he just said that it would be good i'll

01:20:14.400 give it a try i believe that all right next is uh julian stevenson he gave us a super chat and

01:20:21.040 said uh just a quick praise yesterday morning my wife and i welcomed our first born son into the

01:20:28.100 world praise god and he said uh psalm 8 1 through 2 i don't have it memorized lord our lord and all

01:20:35.360 the earth how excellent is that what it is yep you above yeah the heavens have set i'm reciting

01:20:40.020 Psalm 8 is what is man, that you are mindful of him.

01:20:44.220 It's quoted in the Hebrews.

01:20:47.760 Great. Well, praise God. We're very happy for you. 0.81

01:20:50.700 That's awesome to hear.

01:20:52.800 Eugene Moses Kalishikonov?

01:20:56.840 Good try. 0.55

01:20:58.440 What is your Christian name?

01:21:00.480 They wrote in and said,

01:21:01.480 Hello, are you familiar with the New Columbia Movement?

01:21:03.740 It's a Christian nationalist organization recruiting Christian men to retake America. 0.99

01:21:08.580 Awesome. 0.99

01:21:09.800 Sounds good, but no, I don't know anything about it.

01:21:12.460 Next one is from Jesse Pennant.

01:21:16.360 He gave us a big super chat.

01:21:18.960 We appreciate that, Jesse.

01:21:20.160 Very kind.

01:21:20.460 Thank you.

01:21:21.420 He said, wife and I love your podcast.

01:21:23.640 That's impressive.

01:21:24.680 A lot of wives do not love the podcast, but I appreciate it. 1.00

01:21:27.580 Got to throw that thing on in the car when you leave for work. 0.98

01:21:29.420 Yeah, appreciate it.

01:21:30.380 So wife and I love the podcast, trying to influence our church and family with theology

01:21:36.440 applied to all areas of life. Amen. Frustrating because my mother is an ordained pastor.

01:21:45.380 Not great. And I'm on church boards with her. How do you respect your mother and father while 0.63

01:21:55.400 also trying to be biblical? Yeah, we've gotten this question a lot. I think, you know, we've

01:22:01.480 given a lot of different advice. So I'll try not to be too long, but one, you know, just practically

01:22:08.260 over the holidays, if you're visiting them for Christmas and those kinds of things, where it

01:22:13.000 sounds like you might be local because it sounds like you have some more intimate involvement

01:22:16.800 with your mother. But I would just say that if you're spending time in person, one of the best

01:22:25.940 things you can do is just enjoy each other's company and and not get into a bunch of fights

01:22:32.760 especially at christmas um so you know it's probably not the best time to you know this year

01:22:39.140 um as a new christmas tradition i would like to read you know first simothy chapter two

01:22:44.320 and chapter three you know allowed before all the family mother this uh especially pertains to you

01:22:50.540 i wouldn't do that so like one way that uh you can honor her and the rest of your your family

01:22:56.620 extended family is by simply enjoying them find uh find the good right uh there's enough common

01:23:05.080 grace you know uh that even for an unbeliever there are things that we can appreciate um if

01:23:12.960 someone is unregenerate then we know that scripture is true romans 8 says that the mind of the sinful

01:23:19.640 man is hostile. So not just neutral or indifferent, but actually hostile towards the law of God.

01:23:25.580 So in the case of unbelievers who are unregenerate, we know that there's enmity between them and the

01:23:30.860 God that we love, the God who saved us. And before we were saved, there was once enmity in our case 0.84

01:23:36.280 also. But God saved us and gave us a new heart, caused us to become new creatures in Christ Jesus.

01:23:42.700 And the God that we once hated is the God that we now love. So even in the case of an unbeliever, 0.94

01:23:47.900 although it's true, we want to affirm all of Scripture, they're in a state of hostility towards 1.00

01:23:52.740 God. And therefore, some of that hostility will rear its head in regards to God's people being

01:23:58.820 you as a believer. And yet they're still made in the image of God. And even as an unbeliever,

01:24:06.760 there is enough common grace where there are things that you can find in common with one

01:24:13.720 another. There are things that you can affirm. Maybe they're really kind in their interactions

01:24:19.700 with others, or just thanking them for Christmas presents, that they express generosity. Man,

01:24:26.420 this really means a lot. Thanks, mom. Those kinds of things, playing a card game together.

01:24:33.520 So finding ways to honor them practically by spending time with them and not making it a

01:24:40.440 huge theological argument, especially around the holidays. I think that's one way to honor mom and

01:24:47.240 dad. And then beyond that, you know, there probably are some occasions throughout the year

01:24:54.040 where you need to, you know, you need to broach the topic out of love, not despite loving your

01:25:02.980 parents, but precisely because you do love them and you want what's best for them and God's word

01:25:07.760 is best, eventually at some point you have to find context to have that conversation. But

01:25:13.920 having the conversation humbly, having the conversation respectfully, those kinds of

01:25:21.020 things, not raising your voice, not getting angry as best you can. I think those are ways to honor

01:25:28.400 your parents. I've said it before, but one of the best apologetics and defenses of your side,

01:25:33.420 it's going to be the information you have. But there's only so many times you can say a verse,

01:25:37.040 you can quote other commentaries on it. One of the biggest apologetics for your strength and the

01:25:42.500 position of your argument maybe shouldn't be this way. It'd be nice to win on the merits of the

01:25:46.640 arguments alone, but your character and your virtue will come to bear. So it's like, okay,

01:25:51.900 we have big disagreements on this, but my goodness, if he's not an honorable man, he works hard. He

01:25:56.360 loves his wife. He cares for his family. He's great with the kids. Like, I want to hate him.

01:26:00.940 I want to think he's bigot. I want to think he's narrow-minded. I want to think he's misogynist. 0.99

01:26:04.920 women can't be pastors what do you mean but i look at him and he is the most loving kind helpful

01:26:10.340 serving men i've ever seen and there's nothing in his character that i could pick out and say

01:26:14.780 well you just believe that because you just hate women you just do you just say that because you're

01:26:19.700 just uh whatever your character for better or worse it's going to factor into and so if you've

01:26:25.240 got five years and they're like be honest still don't get it but you're one heck of an honorable

01:26:30.180 dude and uh i think you might be right that would be uh one way it could go yeah no that's a great

01:26:34.920 point love your wife and kids uh love your wife and kids in tangible ways do a good job um that's

01:26:41.460 something that i've experienced with um you know with sometimes you know people maybe it's extended

01:26:47.780 family or maybe it's just a friend um or a congregant or something like that it's like man

01:26:53.720 you know like uh you're just you're you're intense in your rhetoric you know and you know i've heard

01:27:00.200 your views because i've tuned into your podcast or i saw you going viral on some clip or something

01:27:05.080 like that or i saw an article by you know the houston chronicle and and they'll you know they'll

01:27:12.280 sadly you know be frustrated with you or despise you you know to some extent because of it um

01:27:18.760 There have been many occasions where, you know, even my, you know, people who disagree with me entirely in terms of my views, they'll say, yeah, but you know what?

01:27:31.520 He's a really good dad, you know, or he's a really good husband, or I see him with his kids.

01:27:36.820 And that goes a long way.

01:27:38.340 Yep.

01:27:39.180 Cody Legaline sent in a super chat.

01:27:42.420 Thank you, Cody.

01:27:43.360 Seems like we're cooked.

01:27:44.980 Interesting.

01:27:45.700 Headed to a big tech monarchy.

01:27:47.640 I like the second part.

01:27:48.760 But I have faith in our civilization.

01:27:51.020 I want to leave a better world for my children and I'm prepared to fight for it.

01:27:54.880 Merry Christmas, gentlemen.

01:27:56.440 Amen.

01:27:57.440 Amen.

01:27:58.000 Yeah.

01:27:59.200 Stay hopeful.

01:28:00.640 We're Christians.

01:28:02.820 There is something to be said for, yeah, we don't want to be naive.

01:28:06.280 And yes, we want to be practical.

01:28:08.020 And being hopeful, you know, hope can sometimes be a euphemism for just putting your head in the sand.

01:28:15.320 Like we need to be aware of what's going on.

01:28:17.500 And it's not great.

01:28:18.760 it's not great. And I think as faithful and, uh, courageous Christians, like part of courage

01:28:25.720 is actually being willing to accurately admit and acknowledge, um, the, you know, the, the

01:28:34.400 tight, um, Titanic task that stands before us. Um, sometimes, you know, people sound hopeful,

01:28:42.660 but really it's actually just, it's hope as a thin veneer masking cowardice.

01:28:49.980 They're actually, the reason why they're always bubbly or always white-pilled or always optimistic 0.99

01:28:55.400 is because they're actually cowards. 0.91

01:28:57.620 They're not able to actually look the real challenges in the face and admit them. 0.87

01:29:04.060 So be honest about the challenges, but we are Christians.

01:29:07.740 We do believe at the end of the day that the Lord can win by many or by few.

01:29:11.760 We have an entire Bible filled of example after example of the people of God being outnumbered,

01:29:19.680 and yet God producing great victory for his glory.

01:29:24.300 We are Christians, after all.

01:29:26.640 We have Samson.

01:29:28.340 We have Gideon.

01:29:29.500 We have this in our holy text, and we believe that these are things that God has done,

01:29:37.180 and we believe not that he owes it to us or that we're entitled to it

01:29:41.160 or that it's somehow guaranteed, but we know that he's done it before

01:29:44.260 and he could do it again.

01:29:45.920 And so we hope, we work, we pray, we don't give up.

01:29:51.020 But you're right, we stay hopeful, but part of real hope,

01:29:56.280 I guess my point is if it's truly hope, then it involves an honesty,

01:30:04.000 and honesty in admitting that this situation is so dire it actually requires hope. The person who

01:30:12.020 has never really even allowed themselves to take stock of all the opposition that stands before us

01:30:20.560 is not actually a hopeful person. They don't have any need of hope because they don't even

01:30:24.880 recognize the danger. And so being honest is actually what provides the opportunity for hope

01:30:33.360 In the same way that being honest about how dire things are create opportunity for real hope.

01:30:39.420 Being honest about how frightening and terrifying things are, likewise, creates the opportunity for real courage.

01:30:47.200 Courage is strength in the face of fear.

01:30:50.900 But don't miss the last part.

01:30:53.220 You know, with our ministry, we do spend a lot of time giving you the nitty gritty and a real look at the dragon that stands before us.

01:31:04.820 And we don't mince words and we're honest about how sizable and how serious the threat really is.

01:31:11.800 But don't lose the last part.

01:31:13.540 If we ever lose the last part in giving credence to the real opposition that we're facing,

01:31:20.620 if we ever do that to the extent, we have to do it,

01:31:23.700 but if we ever do it to the extent that we're despairing,

01:31:28.200 if we ever do it to the extent where we don't have any hope at all,

01:31:31.600 then we're just a right-wing podcast at that point.

01:31:34.840 We're not really distinctly Christian anymore.

01:31:38.020 All right.

01:31:39.380 Last super chat, HHS9045.

01:31:42.740 They ask this question, why does reformed theology often spiritualize the eternal nations in

01:31:47.800 Revelation 21, 24 through 26, ignoring the creational significance of biological distinctives

01:31:53.720 and their glorified role surrounding the new Jerusalem? The reformed spiritualize the natural

01:31:59.500 because that's what reformed guys do. I think reformed theology is the most precise, intellectually

01:32:05.820 robust tradition, Christian tradition, there is. I am Reformed. I obviously believe that. But it

01:32:12.240 can lead to, in many such cases, an over-spiritualization to where you have guys

01:32:16.540 thinking on these things all day long. At some level, they start to get disconnected from

01:32:21.220 working hard with their hands, breaking a sweat, and getting down on their knees and playing with

01:32:25.820 their kids. And so I think spiritualizing nations, like, well, yes, Revelation says there's nations,

01:32:31.480 but actually technically like this is what it could be like no it means nations which means

01:32:36.240 people that share a common ancestry and uh the reform problem with that i think is one that's

01:32:41.460 kind of across the board the risk of being overly spiritual part of it i think also you know to be

01:32:47.380 fair to the reformed tradition part of it is because of the reformed you know hermeneutic

01:32:54.300 it's um you know you think of like someone like john mccarthur who is not reformed he was you know

01:33:00.600 he was a Calvinist in his soteriology, his view of salvation, monergistic, God saves, but that's

01:33:07.700 it. I mean, he rejected basically every other reformed doctrine there is. Right. And so it

01:33:13.520 made sense for MacArthur, God rest his soul. He did a lot of good, but it made sense for him not

01:33:19.920 being reformed in any aspect other than soteriology. It made perfect sense for him to be, you know,

01:33:27.500 as in his own words, you know, using his own label, a leaky dispensationalist, right? Because

01:33:33.760 his hermeneutic, hermeneutic just means the lens that you use to interpret the scripture,

01:33:40.400 to read the scripture. His hermeneutic was a literal, grammatical, historical hermeneutic.

01:33:47.300 Those were the three main pieces, literal, grammatical, and historical. So when he was

01:33:51.580 reading scripture and you know to to steal man uh macarthur's position in his sermon you have to

01:33:58.100 think of nobody um nobody does theology in a vacuum right we're all products of place and time

01:34:05.680 ultimately what we're saying is that as finite creatures we're products of um of god's providence

01:34:12.200 where he places us when he places us who he places us um among and so in the case of macarthur

01:34:19.820 you look at his life what were the big dragons of the day like what were the big pieces of

01:34:26.740 opposition that he was fighting against and a lot of it was um it was people getting cute

01:34:32.900 with the scriptures people claiming to be christian but saying well the bible doesn't really

01:34:37.740 mean that um that you know two men can't marry each other the bible doesn't really mean like

01:34:45.980 people were getting loose with scripture right you think of the 60s and the 70s that's that's

01:34:50.820 when macarthur is being shaped and formed in his early ministry and it's the sexual revolution and

01:34:57.000 it's um it's the degrading of of biblical you know moral virtues and moral standards and the rhetoric

01:35:05.000 that people were employing they weren't just saying oh we've rejected christianity uh no they

01:35:09.780 were all you know many of them still claiming to be christian but saying we now have the right way

01:35:15.660 of reading the Bible. Oh, and what is that? Well, it's really the right way of reading the Bible

01:35:20.380 is a loose way of reading the Bible that doesn't take God's word literally. God doesn't literally

01:35:27.740 mean that you can't be a homosexual. God doesn't literally mean that you can't kill a baby in the 1.00

01:35:33.220 womb. God doesn't literally mean X, Y, and Z. So that's what MacArthur was facing. And so it kind 0.94

01:35:39.060 of makes sense, right? It's not a coincidence, right? Again, we don't do ministry. We don't do

01:35:43.280 the Christian life. We don't do theology in a vacuum. His place, his time, God's providence,

01:35:48.500 those are the dragons that he's facing. And so he rooted himself as a bulwark to stand against

01:35:56.400 relativism. He rooted himself in a literal, historical, grammatical hermeneutic. It was

01:36:04.820 rigid. It was tight. And so to stave off people trying to make some twisted argument for why the

01:36:12.940 scripture allows for this form of degeneracy, he used the literal mechanism against it. But then

01:36:21.980 that same mechanism caused him to be more dispensational. It's like, well, the Bible says

01:36:27.700 a man and a woman, it means a man and a woman. But then he would turn around and then express it.

01:36:32.780 Well, if the Bible says Israel, it means the literal physical nation state of the land of

01:36:39.560 Israel, exactly. And so my point is that I'm making kind of a larger point, but the Reformed

01:36:46.500 have done that on the other side of the aisle. So the Reformed covenant theology,

01:36:53.100 the historic position of the Reformed when it comes to Israel is supersessionism.

01:37:00.060 It's an allegorical. So it would have those pieces, those three pieces that I mentioned

01:37:05.200 earlier of John MacArthur's hermeneutic, but at least one more. It would be historical,

01:37:10.140 literal, grammatical, and typological, typological, or allegorical, a way of leaving at least some

01:37:18.760 room in the scripture to see things as symbols, as allegory, to see certain things as, back to

01:37:28.340 the question, as spiritual. And so the historic Reformed position as it pertains to Israel for

01:37:35.060 us now under the new covenant is to say, well, these are promises that ultimately have their

01:37:43.660 fulfillment in Christ and not in a people and physical land. These are spiritual promises

01:37:52.240 that have a spiritual fulfillment in the coming of Jesus. And so Israel is the church. It's the

01:37:59.780 true and ultimate spiritual Israel. And so my point is that allegorical piece of the reformed

01:38:07.180 historic hermeneutic of reading the scripture has been positive in warding off Zionism and 0.72

01:38:15.760 dispensationalism and those kinds of things. But you can go too far if you don't have proper 0.97

01:38:21.440 categories and then apply it across the board to every other natural distinction. Say, you know,

01:38:27.480 the church is true Israel. And then you can also say, you know, like spiritual discipleship is all

01:38:32.860 that matters and, you know, and physical training and working out and exercise isn't valuable at

01:38:37.960 all. And so you can be a covenant theologian and also weigh 300 pounds. And it's like, I see how

01:38:43.920 you got there. Actually, I see that. On the flip side, those who are not embracing covenant

01:38:49.900 theology and supersessionism and these kinds of things, the reformed hermeneutic that includes

01:38:54.820 the allegorical typological piece, they would be, tend to be the ones who are more dispensational,

01:39:01.300 Zionistic, and take a literal application for Israel, you know, but then they would be more

01:39:09.200 inclined, you would think logically, be more inclined to take a literal reading of other

01:39:13.720 texts of scripture. And the final thing I'll say is this, the sad thing is that today at this

01:39:18.460 juncture both reformed protestants and also additionally non-reformed protestants have

01:39:28.140 actually have actually ended up with the worst of both sides of the equation meaning that the

01:39:35.360 reformed guys who have the allegorical piece in their hermeneutic they've used that to over

01:39:41.580 spiritualize natural distinctions natural affections you know anything in the physical

01:39:46.360 world except for Israel. While being covenant theologians, they somehow have still carved out

01:39:53.820 a place in their theology to write entire books on, you know, honey and milk and like Ashkenazi 0.50

01:40:02.640 Jews being really, really, really important still today in 2025. And then on the flip side, the,

01:40:08.960 you know, the more dispensational, literal hermeneutic guys within the Protestant evangelical

01:40:14.080 world um they you would expect are really big on dispensationalism zionism a literal understanding

01:40:21.040 of israel and yet they haven't applied the literal peace to natural affections and natural law and

01:40:27.860 distinction so what you've ended up with is the reformed allegorical guys still functional zionist

01:40:35.040 but also overweight and out of shape and not caring about anything natural whatsoever

01:40:39.500 and then the more literal guys of course pro-israel but also spiritualizing everything

01:40:47.160 that shouldn't be spiritualized also 300 pounds and out of shape so you have john hagee

01:40:51.840 and john frame how did we get there i don't know doesn't make so i gave an explanation that i do

01:41:01.760 think really does make sense and yet i have to nix it here at the end and say i'm really at a

01:41:06.920 loss. I don't know how we got there. All right, that's my thought. That's the last question of

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