The NXR Podcast - THE LIVESTREAM - It’s Time To Hate Sin (and sinners) Again

00:00:00.000 Many Christians look at the way that wickedness is celebrated in our time, and they wring their

00:00:11.360 hands and worry. At best, they may fire off a few feisty tweets, but at the end of the day,

00:00:16.760 many of us prefer to simply worry and complain rather than to do anything about the evil that

00:00:23.340 we see in our time. There is an option that we haven't tried for a very long time. We must

00:00:29.440 hate sin again. Tune in now as we talk about how to do this righteously.

00:00:45.040 All right. Well, good to see you, Joel. We are without our Mr. Wesley today.

00:00:51.300 I know, Wesley Todd. Yeah, we're lesser for it, but he's having a good week off and actually

00:00:55.600 next week off as well. So I'm hoping he's having a good time with family and seeing people back

00:01:01.040 home. It'll be nice because this week will be really mild because we all know, you and I,

00:01:05.700 we never cause any trouble. Wesley, he's the cantankerous one. Yeah, absolutely. No,

00:01:10.140 but still looking forward to the discussion today. So Joel, as I was thinking about the article

00:01:14.840 that I wanted to write and the topic that we were going to do, I actually had planned to do a

00:01:21.080 different topic, which hopefully we'll do in a week or two. But I had just been getting some

00:01:26.440 questions from some of the guys in our church about like, what do we do about the fact that we

00:01:31.660 see all of this wickedness? And we were talking about just the prevalent displays of open, rampant,

00:01:38.640 unashamed wickedness in our society, whether or not the Olympics was attempting to do the Last

00:01:44.980 supper or whether it was the feast of Dionysius, whatever they were trying to do, that's really

00:01:51.340 lesser. The point is they had a public open display of really lewd and lascivious and grotesque

00:01:59.540 cross-dressing drag display, transgenderism. And what I realized was that was an outrage. 1.00

00:02:08.240 That was an outrage. And, you know, rightly, a lot of people did complain about it. And the

00:02:13.380 Olympic Committee, issued some sort of fake apology, we're sorry if you were offended.

00:02:19.400 But the real outrage...

00:02:21.680 We're sorry that you're such bigots.

00:02:23.140 Yeah.

00:02:24.840 We've vastly underestimated the number of bigots that still remain in society.

00:02:29.060 That's right.

00:02:29.460 We're very sorry.

00:02:29.980 We're sorry that we miscalculated.

00:02:31.640 Right.

00:02:31.960 The real outrage, actually, is that we as Christians have become just so accustomed

00:02:37.600 and fine with public displays of sin.

00:02:42.460 Right.

00:02:42.540 And that really, you know, if I think about what God would say to our nation and our people,

00:02:49.460 I think that he would say something similar to what he says in Revelation.

00:02:54.040 You've tolerated... 1.00

00:02:55.460 Right, that woman Jezebel. 0.99

00:02:56.680 That woman Jezebel, yeah.

00:02:58.300 And for most of us... 0.51

00:02:59.780 Or in this case, that man dressed up as a woman Jezebel. 0.62

00:03:01.660 That man dressed up as the woman Jezebel. 0.54

00:03:04.360 And so for a lot of us, we've been taught for so long to be nice, to be kind, to be polite,

00:03:09.720 to just go along and get along.

00:03:11.800 and we have forgotten the old and ancient Christian virtue of hatred. The Christian

00:03:19.320 virtue of hatred. And if we are going to be like God, we not only have to love the things that he 0.88

00:03:27.300 loves, but we have to hate the things that he hates as well. And that's something that we have

00:03:34.600 not thought about very much as I was researching. I found lots of articles about how to hate your

00:03:39.640 own personal sin, how to put it to death, and that's important. John Owen wrote a whole book,

00:03:43.660 The Mortification of the Flesh. We should hate our own sin, but I found very few articles written

00:03:49.680 in the last, you know, 20, 30 years about how Christians are supposed to hate public sin or

00:03:55.820 public wickedness or even the sinners who push and force this sort of thing on a people, on a nation,

00:04:01.780 on the church. Luckily, there's an old journal that I discovered a while back that has a lot

00:04:07.700 of different entries on not just hating ideology or hating certain actions, but actually hating

00:04:13.660 your enemies is called the book of Psalms. It's really helpful. I haven't heard of that one. I'll

00:04:21.680 have to check that one out. Just article after article of, you know, rewarding friends and

00:04:26.400 crushing enemies. That's right. Yeah. So Joel, I wanted to start here and talk briefly, but

00:04:32.920 importantly about the fact that for a lot of christians and i think for some of them

00:04:37.140 it's legitimate i don't want to be overly critical of all of them but for some of them it's just

00:04:42.320 complacency and laziness but it seems that for a lot of us we're looking at what's going on in

00:04:47.160 society we're looking at the olympics we're looking at pride month we're looking at all of

00:04:50.620 these things and the best that we can seem to muster is complaining to our friends about it 0.66

00:04:56.700 right like two old men sitting on the back porch drinking beer or like you said in the intro

00:05:01.840 firing off some feisty tweets and feeling like, okay, well, I said my piece, time to get back to

00:05:07.660 life. And why do you think it is, or what comment do you have about the fact that for a lot of

00:05:12.480 Christians, that seems to be the extent of our response and our reaction? Yeah, a couple of

00:05:18.600 reasons. One, because I think Christians are powerless in many of the, you know, the practical 1.00

00:05:22.980 levers that God has placed into the created order, this world that he has made. There's political 0.96

00:05:29.240 power, there's economic power, there's cultural power, the power of influencing others. And

00:05:34.480 Christians are powerless. And sadly, the reality is that Christians are not powerless because

00:05:40.640 he's sending us out like sheep among wolves, right? That was the reality for, the immediate

00:05:46.540 reality for the apostles, right? The disciples, Jesus is speaking, you know, all scripture is for

00:05:51.680 us, for all times and all people in all places, but not all scripture is to us. Scripture is

00:05:57.060 written to an immediate human historical audience. And so, when Jesus says, I'm sending you out like 0.77

00:06:03.960 wolves or like sheep among wolves, he's talking about the disciples in the Roman Greco world in

00:06:10.400 first century, that the deck was at that time radically stacked against them. Christians had

00:06:17.380 very little power. But here we are sitting on the other side of Christodom where Christ has quite 0.95

00:06:23.440 literally ruled the world. And the most powerful nations, without exception, have been Christian

00:06:30.700 nations, and this has been the case for centuries. And so, we don't have that excuse. We are not, 0.80

00:06:37.260 you know, we'd like to say that. We'd like to say, well, we're powerless in the same way that,

00:06:41.060 you know, no one takes my life from me, but I lay it down freely of my own accord, you know,

00:06:45.420 that Jesus is the way of the cross, you know, forgetting entirely his resurrection and his

00:06:50.640 glorious ascension with all authority on earth and heaven being commissioned and given to us.

00:06:56.160 And so we'll say, well, we're just following the way of Christ. This is the way of Christ. Like a

00:06:59.780 lamb led to the slaughter. He was silent before his accusers. And we'll quote all these kinds of

00:07:05.040 things and say, you know, we're powerless by choice, and it's a virtuous choice. God is very

00:07:10.180 pleased with this choice. But the reality is, I would say that, you know, that we're powerless

00:07:14.920 because of, really because it's self-inflicted. We have shot ourselves in the foot. We have had

00:07:22.640 power. Christians have been a dominant force not that long ago, and that power was not taken from

00:07:28.600 us because it was written in the stars, because that's just the way it has to be. No, the power

00:07:34.960 was taken from us because it was forfeited on our own part. We gave that kind of power up. And my

00:07:41.900 second reason, two main reasons here, I would say, so then that begs another question, which is why?

00:07:47.260 Why do Christians give up power? And I think there's a number of reasons, apathy, all these 0.57

00:07:51.980 different things. But one of the primary reasons why Christians gave up power is because of women. 0.99

00:07:58.720 When we became a gynocracy, there are only two kinds of leaders right now, women and women 0.99

00:08:05.740 adjacent right that's it there is no power in the western world in the modern western secular 1.00

00:08:12.300 humanistic world today that is not female or for all intents and purposes right female uh it is

00:08:19.700 female or female adjacent and uh and christians bought that that lie um hook line and seeker uh

00:08:29.360 christians just we went with it and um and so uh even like for instance right now you know 0.99

00:08:35.500 Megan Basham, God bless her. I've got no ill will towards her. I've spoken to her offline,

00:08:40.960 and I think she's a wonderful woman who fears the Lord. But her book, Shepherds for Hire,

00:08:47.760 she does great journalism, and Big Eva and Medeva, for that matter, are coping and seething,

00:08:53.100 and you can hear screeching from miles away right now. All the guys who say don't idolize Trump,

00:09:01.540 but they've absolutely idolized Tim Keller.

00:09:03.800 They can't believe that someone would have

00:09:05.780 even the slightest critique

00:09:07.480 for the Protestant Pope, Tim Keller.

00:09:11.220 And so right now there's coping and seething 0.89

00:09:14.000 and I'm here for it.

00:09:15.340 I love it.

00:09:16.520 Publicly, I'm not counter signaling her

00:09:18.380 because I want to win and I know what time it is.

00:09:21.080 I'm not an ideologue.

00:09:22.520 I have principles, but I'm not an ideologue.

00:09:24.980 So she has my support.

00:09:26.960 But that said, I will publicly admit it's sad. 0.99

00:09:31.540 That one of the most lethal blows towards hypocritical, fake, liberal, progressive Christianity came from a chick. 0.99

00:09:42.520 I would greatly prefer that that had come from a man. 0.99

00:09:47.680 But my point is, there's a reason why it came from a chick.

00:09:52.100 And the reason isn't just because all the guys were silent.

00:09:55.760 It's because the whole world is orchestrated

00:09:57.800 in such a way that it leans its ear in 1.00

00:10:01.180 when a blonde, pretty woman begins to speak.

00:10:06.300 John Harris and A.D. Robles were calling these things out

00:10:08.580 before Megan Basham was even convinced.

00:10:10.820 When she wasn't even, she was like,

00:10:12.960 I don't know, it seems a little harsh, I'm not sure.

00:10:16.840 So it's not like there were no guys doing it.

00:10:18.780 See, that's another trope that I really don't appreciate.

00:10:21.660 Do we have, on the whole, in the big picture,

00:10:24.740 in general, apathetic, spiritually apathetic, feckless, spineless men in the church today?

00:10:31.320 Absolutely. Absolutely. But they're not all spineless. But here's the reality. 0.93

00:10:37.340 Megan Basham is incredibly gifted and talented, so I don't want to disparage her at all.

00:10:41.940 She is a great journalist. She is. And so I'm not saying any man could do it.

00:10:46.640 You know, no, she is uniquely gifted in that vein, and God bless her for it.

00:10:53.360 But she's uniquely gifted, but she is not exclusively, single-handedly gifted.

00:10:58.320 There are other men who can do what she does, are doing what she does, and have been doing

00:11:04.200 what she does longer than she's been doing it.

00:11:07.320 But they're men.

00:11:09.060 And I don't know her at all, but she seems to affirm biblical roles, and just from conversations

00:11:15.720 I've heard from her, I think she would probably echo what Deborah said to Gideon, that yes,

00:11:20.940 I will do this.

00:11:21.680 i will lead the army out but this will be a disgrace to you right with barack yeah i'm not

00:11:27.360 kidding barack right i'll do it but yeah but let it be noted that um that the glory will go to a

00:11:32.780 woman that's right yeah and she says it's not recognizing that this is uh this is an inversion

00:11:38.200 of god's good and holy created order this is not right right so yeah so i i think that you know

00:11:43.900 part of it is um you know so how did we get here christians being so powerless one um i don't think

00:11:48.900 it was stolen, and I don't think it was faded in the stars. God is sovereign over all things,

00:11:52.560 but I think that everything, all that comes to pass, as the Westminster speaks of,

00:11:57.720 all that comes to pass has been so ordaineth by God. So in that sense, yes, everything is

00:12:02.820 according to God's will, including sin and including suffering. But what's happening now

00:12:08.540 with Christians becoming increasingly, exponentially powerless is not according 0.99

00:12:12.580 to God's revealed will. So the hidden things belong to God, but those which He has revealed 0.97

00:12:18.060 belong to us and our children forever. So, God's revealed will, His prescriptive moral will,

00:12:23.400 what He's laid out for us as the ideal that we should attempt to achieve by grace in Scripture, 0.74

00:12:31.980 that is not laid out, that, well, Christians are supposed to be powerless. So, I think Christians 1.00

00:12:39.560 have forfeited power, and in large part, I really think that part of the reason we've forfeited 0.81

00:12:45.020 power is it's twofold it's the apathy of men but it's also uh in the apathy of men it's the

00:12:51.480 promotion of women uh women um do do not want to uh to crush their enemies right megan basham is

00:13:00.300 an outlier right uh the typical woman um is no he's not so bad or even if he is if you don't

00:13:06.640 have anything nice to say you shouldn't say anything at all that's right that's the approach

00:13:10.440 of women, and that's a great approach. It's a great approach when it comes to child-rearing, 1.00

00:13:16.760 nurturing, hospitality. It is not a great approach when it comes to sitting in the city gates,

00:13:24.120 when it comes to commanding armies, when it comes to governance. That is not the disposition that

00:13:31.160 you want. You do not want a female disposition leading the charge. It's interesting. I heard 1.00

00:13:37.560 someone saying earlier that it's very telling that and now elon musk obviously richest man in

00:13:44.160 the world so that's no small potatoes but it's very telling that elon musk is a greater threat

00:13:49.820 to the transgender and lgbtq movement than the entire sbc at this point right well the the sbc

00:13:57.680 can just go to the new york times it can kind of hand over and rescue us help us right and really

00:14:05.360 the regime has no regard at all. In fact, membership of the SBC seemingly is on their

00:14:11.620 side to try and promote or at least not demonize, not denigrate, not badmouth the transgender

00:14:18.520 shooting. And so it is no wonder, I'm not surprised that a lot of individual Christians 0.97

00:14:24.740 do not know what to do when they see the way that society is just more and more wicked. 0.99

00:14:32.180 Because before, if you were in the SBC, you could feel like you were sending a messenger.

00:14:37.100 You could feel perhaps like your leaders in the convention were going to at least represent your interests and your biblical convictions on the national level.

00:14:48.160 They established the ERLC, I don't know, 20, 30, it hasn't been around that long, right?

00:14:52.600 To presumably strategize and think through how can we push for righteous laws and righteous policies in our nation.

00:15:00.900 In the public square.

00:15:01.600 in the public square as baptist yep that was a good sentiment and but now if you're just sitting

00:15:07.000 at home and you and you see what the erlc has done you do feel largely i don't know what to do 0.90

00:15:11.100 i don't know what to do about the fact that my nation is falling apart right and not just falling

00:15:15.340 apart but engaging in rampant wickedness and so i guess i i wanted to say if that's you um if if

00:15:22.760 you're feeling like i don't know what else to do besides send out a tweet right we get it right we

00:15:27.540 get it. There's a reason that you feel that way. Yep. Real quick, Euclid has a good comment here.

00:15:33.680 And so last week, we tried to include some of the viewers who are... A lot of people watch it after

00:15:39.040 the fact, but as much as we can, we want to tip the hat to those who are watching live. We appreciate

00:15:44.780 it. If you guys... Real quick. So Euclid, I'm going to address your comment because I think

00:15:48.580 it's good. So not to scare you. So I'll show you my hand up front. I think it's insightful. Good

00:15:53.840 job. I'll read it here live and expand on it just a little bit. But Euclid, if you and all the

00:16:00.560 anons, if you can rally your strength, Gondor calls for aid, Rohan needs to answer. Give us 0.75

00:16:06.440 a thumbs up on this video. Go ahead and comment even just for the algorithm. Let's get it out.

00:16:11.200 Help us out, and we'll try to do a better job on our end honoring you guys and engaging with you

00:16:15.780 who are watching us live. So this is Euclid. He said, been reading Rushduni, discuss kenosis,

00:16:20.940 the western church embracing kenosis that jesus emptied himself of divinity and thus made himself

00:16:28.100 powerless this is led to its self abasement the church it's led to christianity's self abasement

00:16:35.620 it's that suicidal uh shooting you know uh shooting the foot so um what he's talking about

00:16:41.740 there so the word kenosis this comes from philippians i believe it's chapter two uh talking

00:16:45.960 about how we, as the church, as Christians, should have the mind of Christ as it pertains

00:16:51.100 specifically to the virtue of humility, so that we should not be arrogant, we should not be

00:16:57.020 presumptuous, we should be humble. But meekness is not weakness, and humility is not an absence

00:17:04.500 of power. Humility is, you know, like self-control. It's strength harnessed. It's strength under

00:17:10.860 control. So, the kenosis doctrine, which is a false doctrine, it's not right. What it insists

00:17:17.940 from Philippians chapter 2 is, you know, the Apostle Paul, he says, we should have the mind

00:17:22.040 of Christ about us as it pertains to his humility. And what did Christ do that was humble? He says

00:17:27.240 he did not count equality with God as something to be grasped, but rather humbled himself or

00:17:38.240 emptied himself, is how some people trip, but it's humbled himself, but rather humbled himself

00:17:44.200 to the point of death, even death on a cross. And so, again, this is Philippians chapter 2.

00:17:50.180 I forget the particular verse, and I'm quoting it off the top of my head. I think I'm

00:17:53.160 close enough. I think I'm doing justice to the scripture. So, Jesus, we should have the mind

00:17:59.260 of Christ. In what regard? Humility. Christ was humble. In what way? What's the case study? He

00:18:05.360 Now, that being said, first, the better translation, because I've done a pretty deep study on that word, equality with God as something to be grasped.

00:18:28.660 The better word is something to be clinged to, clung on to, something to be held.

00:18:35.360 maintained. Because if you don't read it like that, then you're committing all kinds of heresies

00:18:42.380 when it comes to theology proper. Theology proper is simply our doctrine of God, the character and

00:18:46.920 essence and nature of God, the processions of the persons of the Godhead. Jesus, if you read it as,

00:18:55.300 well, he didn't consider equality with God, God the Son, Jesus, did not consider equality with

00:19:00.320 God the Father something to be grasped, then you're asserting that for eternity, even before,

00:19:04.860 because this is pre-incarnation. This is the mind of Christ, therefore he took on flesh. So this is

00:19:10.660 Christ pre-incarnation. So you're saying that Christ pre-incarnation eternally was divine,

00:19:18.760 but somehow at least a little bit less divine. He's somehow inferior to the first member of

00:19:25.160 the Trinity, namely God the Father. And so he looked to God the Father. He saw the divine

00:19:30.180 essence in the Father as something superior to his own and outside of his reach. He did not count

00:19:36.840 equality with God as something that was attainable. It was out of his reach. It couldn't be grasped.

00:19:41.120 No, the proper wording is he did not count equality with God, which he eternally had.

00:19:46.980 He already had equality with God as something to be clinged onto. So, it's not that he didn't have

00:19:52.800 equality with God and it was outside of his reach and he could not grasp it, but rather he did have

00:19:57.640 equality with God, and precisely for that reason, because he was, and is, for that matter, and

00:20:02.920 always will be equal with God, as one who had true authority, and true divinity, and true power,

00:20:09.100 like many who are truly powerful, they're not insecure. That's one of the marks of someone who

00:20:15.220 truly has authority, and truly has station, and significance, and superiority, and power,

00:20:21.520 is that they're not a groveling, whining, sniveling, insecure person that constantly

00:20:27.880 has to prove it. But rather, they can just confidently, with a humble confidence, walk

00:20:33.360 in what they actually have, rather than compensate, right? Like, that's where we get the phrase,

00:20:38.460 you know, I think the lady dust protests too much, right? So, Jesus actually had,

00:20:43.380 and still does, and always will, equality with God, and did not consider it something to cling

00:20:48.860 on to, but rather was willing not to empty himself of divinity, but humble himself, and

00:20:54.760 how does this work?

00:20:55.840 Well, he swapped out the divinity for the incarnation, for the human nature.

00:21:00.620 No, it's subtraction by addition.

00:21:05.380 The divinity remains fully intact, and it does not diminish one iota, but rather he

00:21:11.220 takes upon his one nature, namely the divine nature, a now second nature, the human nature,

00:21:17.420 which does not eradicate or substitute for the divinity, but rather conceals.

00:21:22.880 Augustine said that Christ in the incarnation was divinity wrapped in flesh,

00:21:28.360 and that this was, on God's part, a form of divine trickery,

00:21:32.460 that you had the bait, if you will, being the flesh, but the divine hook.

00:21:37.440 Satan thought that it was only the flesh, that the divinity had somehow been weakened,

00:21:41.860 but it remained fully intact, so that when at the cross,

00:21:45.520 this great conceiving and conniving of satan at the cross when when satan bit down took advantage

00:21:53.320 of of the carnality flesh sarx the the the fleshly human nature of christ he can be killed he can be

00:22:01.360 destroyed he has taken upon himself a a nature now that is vulnerable satan did not realize that

00:22:07.000 the divine uh nature without body parts and passions passions meet the divine cannot suffer

00:22:13.440 He cannot die. The divine nature, the immutable and invulnerable, invincible nature was still

00:22:20.880 fully intact, concealed, not replaced by the human nature, but rather simply concealed

00:22:26.540 by the human nature in the same way that a piece of meat conceals the hook for a fish.

00:22:33.260 And Satan, therefore, in that way, sealed his own doom. So, Philippians 2 does not tell us

00:22:39.500 in one tiny little bit that Jesus somehow emptied himself of his divinity. And it also does not,

00:22:47.800 certainly does not tell us that equality with God the Father was somehow out of his reach.

00:22:53.400 All of that is just bad theology proper, and that has been, Euclid is right, that has been cited as 1.00

00:23:00.200 a case study, as a shining beacon and example for why Christians should be pathetic. And we know this 1.00

00:23:06.520 is the case because in john 17 when jesus praised the high priestly prayer right before going to the

00:23:13.360 cross he he prays father glorify me now with the glory that i had before right amen right and so

00:23:21.360 what what jesus gave up was the privileges the normal privileges that you would expect

00:23:29.080 for someone of such a status right right he was willing to forego those privileges the

00:23:34.700 recognition, the honor, the glory. No, he was in a human form, and not only that, he died. He died

00:23:42.160 on a cross. That's the point. Which isn't just pain. That's right. It's humiliation. It's an

00:23:47.320 outrage that the God of the universe would die the death of the worst criminal. And so Jesus

00:23:52.680 never gave up the... So that's John 17, the glory that I shared with you before, like that same

00:23:56.720 glory, the same essence, same nature. And then John 13, Jesus, you know, it says, knowing that

00:24:03.580 all things had been given into his hands by his father, knowing his status, knowing who he was,

00:24:08.540 he then did what? Took off his outer garments, wrapped a towel around his waist, and began to

00:24:13.520 wash the disciples' feet. But here's the point. It would not have been an outrage

00:24:17.580 if he had given up Godhead. Right. Because at that point, he would just be any normal God. 0.93

00:24:24.020 Right. The fact that it's an outrage is because he remained the king and ruler and sovereign of

00:24:29.600 the universe right when you say outrage you're that's a good word scandal you know but what

00:24:34.040 you're saying is the humility of christ is so jarring and so uh all i mean his death on the

00:24:40.580 cross because right yeah his his death which another example of his humility but the humility

00:24:46.260 of christ is so jarring and such a stark profound example because not not despite um his deity but

00:24:53.780 precisely because of it and because he maintained it right because he never gave up that authority

00:24:57.820 I've often wondered how it was that he continued to sustain the universe, even the own molecules of his own body.

00:25:07.880 Well, because the divine cannot die.

00:25:09.420 That's right.

00:25:09.760 And that's classical theism, which I prescribe to.

00:25:12.740 I haven't gone all the way.

00:25:14.300 I'm not a Thomist.

00:25:16.520 So I know last week I probably scared a few people with my friendship with Stephen Wolfe.

00:25:22.300 I like some of the classical two kingdom guys, and I appreciate them.

00:25:25.800 I'm not a Thomist, and I don't believe I ever will be,

00:25:28.340 but I have been a classical theist in terms of my theology of God

00:25:31.600 for a very long time, a very long time.

00:25:34.640 And so the divine cannot suffer.

00:25:38.300 God, this is the confessional position.

00:25:40.660 Whether you're 1689 or Westminster, God is the most pure spirit

00:25:43.520 without body parts and passions.

00:25:46.660 Part of that absence of passions, I think,

00:25:49.660 speaks to the anthropomorphic or anthropopathic language

00:25:54.200 that God, he doesn't emote. So, whenever, you know, the Holy Spirit is grieved, or God, you know,

00:26:01.740 his wrath was kindled, or these kinds of things, or his pleasure, God is not changing states of

00:26:09.540 emotion. But rather, we have, you know, something true of God, not literally, but still something

00:26:17.500 generally true of God is being conveyed to us in human terms that we can understand underneath the

00:26:21.960 banner of analogy. Now, that said, the root of passions is not just that emotional language

00:26:31.040 about God should be understood analogically as anthropopathic language rather than literally.

00:26:37.740 That's part of what it means for God to be without passions. But at the root, what it

00:26:41.020 definitely means is that the divine cannot suffer. So think passions like passion of the Christ.

00:26:46.380 What is that? The emotions of Jesus. No, the suffering, the pathos, the passions of the Christ

00:26:53.500 coming from the Latin. And so in the death of Jesus, I know that it's difficult, but this is

00:27:00.900 true, the divine cannot suffer, and the divine certainly cannot die. One of the attributes of

00:27:06.000 divinity is immortality. And so Jesus, in his divine nature, never died. He didn't. And this

00:27:13.900 is why jesus in the spirit as peter writes um after his physical death and his human nature

00:27:19.660 his body on the cross and burial in the spirit jesus is still active and very much alive in

00:27:26.280 which he goes to and preaches to spirits uh who had been locked up in gloomy dungeons in prisons

00:27:31.600 um pronouncing not a second chance you know for for fallen human souls a second chance of

00:27:37.700 redemption but no it's a nanny nanny boo boo sermon where he goes and pronounces his victory

00:27:41.880 to those evil spirits who have been locked away.

00:27:45.960 And so the divine cannot suffer.

00:27:48.380 The divine cannot die.

00:27:49.980 The death of Jesus was a triune act

00:27:52.060 and the resurrection for that matter,

00:27:53.780 which is another funny thing to think about,

00:27:55.340 but it is biblically true.

00:27:57.040 Who raised Jesus from the dead?

00:27:59.020 Who raised the son from the dead?

00:28:00.400 The father, the spirit?

00:28:01.840 No, the father, the spirit, and the son.

00:28:04.660 It was a triune.

00:28:05.340 Jesus raised Jesus from the dead,

00:28:07.080 as did the father, as did the spirit.

00:28:08.820 And yeah, we have bad theology proper.

00:28:11.480 All right, so we'll take our first break, and when we come back, we are going to talk

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00:31:02.140 Okay, so in that vein, I'm going to go ahead and, again, try to prioritize those of you

00:31:07.200 who are watching this live.

00:31:08.580 This is from 80s Nostalgia Guy.

00:31:10.340 Okay, this is the only one I'm going to do.

00:31:12.220 Okay, but enough of you said, answer this question.

00:31:15.080 We like 80s Nostalgia Guy and the question, you know, the thing that he's talking about.

00:31:18.800 So I'm going to do it, but it's not really on track with our topic today.

00:31:21.780 So this is the only one that we're going to do off track.

00:31:23.500 The rest, we will try to address your comments if it's within the larger theme of hating

00:31:28.680 sin.

00:31:29.160 and also for the record what we're going to get to here in a moment is hating sinners because we

00:31:33.420 believe that both are biblically true uh but real quick here's a little bit of a bunny trail uh 80s

00:31:38.260 nostalgic guy he says this um trump might be the man of lawlessness things are about to ramp up

00:31:44.440 next year things are going to ramp up next year i think that's true that uh things are going to

00:31:48.180 ramp up uh no i do not believe uh that trump is the man um of lawlessness do i believe that he

00:31:54.200 is a lawless man by the scripture's standard, by God's immutable standard? Absolutely. But he is

00:32:01.400 not the man of lawlessness that is spoken of in the book of Revelation. I believe my position is

00:32:07.980 that the man of lawlessness that is spoken of in scripture is a man who was far more, believe it

00:32:12.780 or not, far more lawless than Donald J. Trump. Who could that be? Who could possibly be so lawless

00:32:20.180 that he would make trump look like a saint i'll tell you who uh the high priest of the temple

00:32:25.700 in judaism that's who um i believe that it was the high priest uh that that ultimately what

00:32:32.940 john caught up in the spirit getting this revelation of jesus christ that's the full

00:32:36.820 title of the last book of the bible the revelation of jesus christ what he's seen in this man of

00:32:41.860 lawlessness um and is he's he's seen the most lawless individual in that uh first century world

00:32:49.060 in the known world at that time, who was supposed to be the most lawful individual. He's seen

00:32:54.460 the high priest who had completely compromised, completely engaged in hypocrisy, had completely

00:33:01.440 sold out. This is the same Sanhedrin, the same religious rulers of the day who subjected Christ

00:33:10.360 to be crucified, who went and antagonized and stirred up the Jewish crowd saying, 0.62

00:33:15.800 crucify him. We want Barabbas. Give us the murderer. Give us the thief. We'll take him. 0.97

00:33:22.180 He can walk free on the streets. Will he be a threat to our own children? My own child might

00:33:26.800 get murdered in the night by Barabbas, and I am willing to take that risk so long as I can see 0.92

00:33:32.020 Jesus, the Messiah, nailed on a wooden cross. That is how lawless the Jews were. Not all of 1.00

00:33:39.420 them. Some converted and were followers of Jesus, even at the time of Jesus, not just later in 80,

00:33:44.120 70. I think a lot converted then. But even at the time of Jesus leading up to his crucifixion and

00:33:49.040 after his crucifixion, some Jews converted and were disciples of Jesus. Praise God for it. 1.00

00:33:54.280 Many were not. In fact, many were far more in opposition towards Christ than Pilate and the

00:34:01.780 Romans were. Pilate was up for re-election, and he's sitting as Roman governor over a Jewish 0.72

00:34:07.900 province, he needs the Jews to like him. And so he gives the Jews what they like, which is killing 0.99

00:34:14.580 God. That's what the Jews of his day, of that time, in that place, that's what they wanted more than 0.99

00:34:21.240 anything else, was the crucifixion of the Son of God. And who is most responsible out of all of 0.97

00:34:27.040 them? The high priest, the man of lawlessness. Right. And that's particularly cutting to call

00:34:32.280 the high priest who was really the keeper and the steward of the law itself the man of lawlessness.

00:34:37.240 right yeah right yeah it was a play on words this is the man who is supposed to govern and legislate

00:34:43.100 and deal out the law yeah um and uh he is not he is not a man of law at all in fact he is the man

00:34:49.820 it's uh it's christ jesus revealing to john as he's caught up whether it be in the body or out

00:34:54.660 of the body caught up to the third heaven receiving this vision from the lord it's jesus using a

00:34:59.320 little tongue-in-cheek and yet at the same time being completely accurate and truthful as jesus

00:35:04.060 always is, and saying, you know, who's supposed to have the reputation of being the most lawful

00:35:09.180 man in town? Yeah, my title for that guy is the man of lawlessness. That guy hates God.

00:35:16.460 Yeah, and Joel, just to make sure we're accurate, the man of lawlessness is referred to in

00:35:21.860 2 Thessalonians 2.

00:35:23.720 Oh, okay.

00:35:24.060 Yeah, 2 Thessalonians 2.

00:35:25.480 Yep, but same argument.

00:35:27.180 Yep.

00:35:27.580 Okay, good. And then someone else asked, how do we convince evangelicals that

00:35:31.600 hating sin is viable?

00:35:32.420 Yeah, that's right. So that was Strikers. 1.00

00:35:33.880 So, Stryker, thanks for tuning in.

00:35:35.320 He said, how do we show evangelicals that anger is okay, that we can have righteous

00:35:40.140 anger and even act on it?

00:35:41.500 We're going to get into that theologically, but the short answer that I have real quick

00:35:45.140 is C.A. 1.00

00:35:46.640 One of the ways is to make sure that you don't have a gynocracy, to make sure that you are 0.98

00:35:53.120 not female-led. 1.00

00:35:54.860 Right now, there are only two kinds of leaders, women and women adjacent.

00:35:58.660 And so the church must not embrace that postmodern, secular, humanistic, feministic, 0.84

00:36:07.200 divine, feminine world that we currently live in.

00:36:09.940 We have to reject that mold, reject that culture, because here's the deal. 0.82

00:36:14.380 There's a certain level to where your Christian wife, even, God bless her, she's wonderful, 0.60

00:36:22.320 you know, bone of my bone, flesh of my flesh, she is your helpmate, your heart belongs to

00:36:27.820 her the proverb says that you know the heart of her husband trust in her um and yet uh it is

00:36:34.380 entirely possible that she may go her entire christian life here on earth temporally um and

00:36:41.200 never feel really comfortable with the concept of uh uh hating her enemies right she just probably

00:36:50.300 won't you know why because she's a woman right she's a woman and that's a wonderful thing so

00:36:55.480 then what do you do? You don't need, as evangelicals, how do we convince evangelicals

00:37:00.780 that anger, righteous anger, is permissible and even called for, especially in this time when the 0.81

00:37:05.780 orcs are at the door, when the people who are trans and kids are clawing at the door and trying

00:37:11.660 to take your own children away? How do you convince the troops, evangelicals, that anger is appropriate 0.81

00:37:17.000 and anger is actually the need, righteous anger, the need of the hour? What you do is you stop.

00:37:22.400 believe it i know it sounds counterintuitive uh the way that you convince evangelicals is you

00:37:26.620 stop trying to convince approximately 50 of them because 50 of them aka are sisters in christ who

00:37:35.220 are co-heirs in grace they're just not wired for right and they don't need to be convinced um you

00:37:40.880 know why they don't need to be convinced because they're not supposed to be calling the shots right

00:37:44.540 um so you convince the men that anger is appropriate and you also convince the men

00:37:49.780 to stop letting women lead, and then you're fine. 0.99

00:37:53.400 All right, go. 1.00

00:37:54.480 All right, so I saw a comment, I mean, right at the beginning.

00:37:57.740 Nathan, you don't need to scroll up.

00:37:59.680 It's okay.

00:38:00.200 But someone said, well, Jesus never commands us to hate, right?

00:38:05.640 That's where you would be wrong.

00:38:07.400 Let's just look at some verses that are somewhat startling

00:38:12.060 to the modern evangelical sentiment.

00:38:14.080 So Psalm 104, 35, David says this,

00:38:19.060 Let sinners be consumed from the earth, and let the wicked be no more.

00:38:22.960 Bless the Lord, O my soul.

00:38:24.280 Praise the Lord.

00:38:24.900 So here we have a benediction of the Lord.

00:38:28.400 Bless the Lord, O my soul.

00:38:29.840 Praise the Lord.

00:38:31.200 And in the same breath, a prayer that sinners would be consumed from the earth, and that

00:38:38.340 the wicked be no more.

00:38:39.920 And my point here is, for David, those two thoughts and expressions were not mutually

00:38:45.480 exclusive.

00:38:46.180 Right.

00:38:46.560 Okay?

00:38:46.940 Right.

00:38:47.060 So Psalm 139, 21 through 22, this is here, David, and this is the one where he doesn't

00:38:54.900 just hate sin in this verse.

00:38:56.580 Listen carefully here.

00:38:57.920 Do I not hate those who hate you, O Lord?

00:39:01.200 And do I not loathe those who rise up against you?

00:39:04.080 I hate them with complete hatred. 0.66

00:39:06.140 I count them my enemies. 1.00

00:39:08.100 By the way, John Gill commenting on this says that must be the posture of the Christian

00:39:12.440 because the enemies of God are just that, enemies. 0.93

00:39:15.800 They cannot be our friends.

00:39:17.460 They must be our enemies if they are God's enemies.

00:39:19.900 Right.

00:39:20.220 A couple more here.

00:39:22.500 Jesus calls us friends.

00:39:24.240 He was a friend of sinners, but that's such a misconception.

00:39:28.060 Jesus was not the long-term friend for three years, every Tuesday afternoon, getting tea together with a prostitute who was still actively engaged in her prostitution with zero repentance.

00:39:40.960 And reviling him publicly.

00:39:42.220 When the Bible says that Jesus was the friend of sinners, that was used as a pejorative, actually, by his opponents, the religious rulers of the day.

00:39:49.620 They were mocking him, saying he can't be a righteous man because the righteous wouldn't befriend sinners.

00:39:53.820 And here he is, a friend of sinners.

00:39:56.040 What that was, that title that was depicted for Christ was talking about that he was a friend of certain people who had a public reputation of being sinners because of their past lives.

00:40:08.360 That's right.

00:40:08.540 Look at, if he knew what kind of woman this was, he would not allow her to touch him, right? 1.00

00:40:13.660 The woman who rushes in and washes his feet with her tears and dries them with her hair,

00:40:18.760 or Zacchaeus meeting in a tax collector's home and befriending him.

00:40:22.900 But what kind of sinners are they?

00:40:24.720 Well, they have a public reputation of being sinners, whether it be a thief and a sellout 0.63

00:40:29.260 to Rome, right? 0.99

00:40:30.500 That's Zacchaeus, that's the tax collector, or whether it being a harlot and a prostitute. 0.98

00:40:35.540 In either case, they have a public reputation of being sinners, but in both cases, they 0.97

00:40:39.800 are repentant sinners.

00:40:41.320 Jesus doesn't have afternoon tea three times a week for the course of seven years with

00:40:47.640 Zacchaeus while he's still robbing people.

00:40:50.000 No, he has one engagement in his home, and Zacchaeus says, if I've robbed anybody, I'll

00:40:55.160 give back four times as much.

00:40:56.540 That guy completely repents in one foul swoop, and Jesus is his friend.

00:41:01.620 So God is not the friend of his enemies.

00:41:04.520 God is the friend of those who were once his enemies.

00:41:08.220 Yep.

00:41:09.160 Case in point is Jesus' interaction with the rich young ruler, who Jesus preached a similar

00:41:15.160 message to that he did to Zacchaeus, and the rich young ruler, that was too much for him.

00:41:20.560 Right.

00:41:20.960 And Jesus doesn't sit there and chew him out and revile him publicly, but the rich young

00:41:25.580 ruler leaves, and Jesus, okay, no sweat off my back.

00:41:29.000 Yep.

00:41:29.280 Right?

00:41:29.640 Like, enjoy your condemnation.

00:41:31.700 Right.

00:41:31.880 Yep.

00:41:32.200 Yep. Okay, Romans 12.9, this one's pretty well known because it's in the New Testament.

00:41:39.100 Let love be genuine, abhor or hate what is evil, hold fast to what is good.

00:41:44.000 We are to do two things, and that's going to be a theme here as we go through kind of some of the, okay, what does this mean?

00:41:51.480 We don't just sit around simmering in hatred, right?

00:41:54.720 Paul says, hate what is evil and hold on to what is good, right?

00:41:58.500 We love the beautiful. We hate the distortion, right?

00:42:02.060 We love God, and because we love God, we hate what violates and contradicts what God has said.

00:42:09.920 Psalm 97.10, here David says,

00:42:14.600 Oh, you who love the Lord, hate evil.

00:42:16.980 He preserves the lives of his saints.

00:42:18.980 He delivers them from the hand of the wicked.

00:42:21.700 And then Psalm 47.10, which I believe is prophetically speaking about Christ.

00:42:27.700 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness.

00:42:30.040 Therefore, God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness beyond your companions.

00:42:35.740 Right?

00:42:35.980 You have loved righteousness.

00:42:37.120 Again, we love righteousness.

00:42:38.880 We hate wickedness.

00:42:40.380 Right.

00:42:40.720 Hate wickedness.

00:42:41.920 The last one that I'll read here is Amos 5.15, where we are commanded to hate evil and love

00:42:47.980 good and establish justice in the gate.

00:42:50.840 It may be that the Lord, the God of hosts, will be gracious to the remnant of Joseph.

00:42:54.940 And to me, again, America is not the church.

00:42:58.720 America is not Israel.

00:43:00.640 But here, Amos says to them, you have engaged in wickedness.

00:43:05.560 You have allowed your nation to become corrupt.

00:43:08.440 You have defied the living God.

00:43:11.800 What do you do?

00:43:12.580 What is the solution?

00:43:14.060 He says, it may be that the Lord, the God of hosts, will be gracious to the remnant of Joseph.

00:43:19.480 How might it be that God be gracious to a people?

00:43:22.480 If they hate evil and love good.

00:43:25.500 Amen.

00:43:26.220 I don't want to get ahead of you and steal your thunder,

00:43:28.840 but are you going to do any more verses, Psalm 139?

00:43:31.620 Go ahead.

00:43:32.000 Well, I just read Psalm 139.

00:43:33.540 Okay.

00:43:34.440 Are you doing 18 and 19?

00:43:35.820 Verses 21 through 23.

00:43:36.940 I just read that one.

00:43:37.600 Oh, you did?

00:43:38.200 Okay, I just missed it.

00:43:39.360 Let me read it once more in case somebody like me missed it.

00:43:42.220 Hopefully all you guys are listening better than I was.

00:43:44.180 I was thinking about the verse, which distracted me from actually hearing the verse.

00:43:48.100 No problem.

00:43:48.500 Go ahead.

00:43:49.320 This is Psalm 139, verses 21, 22, and 23.

00:43:52.200 because a lot of the verses that Michael just shared, just to play the devil's advocate here,

00:43:56.980 somebody could counter and say, well, I heard a lot about hating evil or hating wickedness or

00:44:01.160 hating sin, but I didn't hear a lot about hating people, sinners, hating not just wickedness,

00:44:07.960 but hating the wicked. So this again, Psalm 139, 21 through 23 says this,

00:44:13.660 do I not hate those who hate you, O Lord? And do I not loathe those who rise up against you?

00:44:21.240 I hate them with complete hatred. Some translations, I think the King James says,

00:44:26.080 I hate them with a perfect hatred. Amen. Lord, let it be. Give us perfect hatred towards people. 0.92

00:44:32.900 I hate them, not it, not an ideology, not merely bad principles or certain concepts or ideas, 0.99

00:44:39.820 but I hate people. I hate them with complete hatred. I count them my enemies. Search me, 1.00

00:44:46.740 O God, and know my heart. Try me and know my thoughts. So this isn't David just speaking

00:44:51.160 out of turn. As soon as he says this, he says, and come and investigate my heart. I'm not just

00:44:57.440 speaking in a moment of kindled anger where I maybe am letting loose too much and forfeiting

00:45:04.600 self-control uh no he's he's calculated he is he is thinking and and exercising uh wisdom and

00:45:12.280 self-control and he even calls upon himself a judgment of sorts from the lord said come and

00:45:17.780 search me try me lord try my heart to see if um if everything in me is upright what things the

00:45:23.640 things i just said my hatred for your enemies my hatred not just for principles that are bad

00:45:29.980 but people who are bad i hate them with a perfect hatred yeah and that gets into i don't know if

00:45:36.980 you're quite ready but um the idea of god hating sin and sinners yeah because okay so so again one

00:45:42.940 of the the common counters is people will say well this isn't new testament christianity uh first

00:45:47.540 just go ahead and do us all a favor and eradicate that from your vocabulary new testament christianity

00:45:54.760 Now, there's Christianity, and there's no such thing as Judeo-Christian.

00:46:00.300 That's a misnomer.

00:46:01.960 There's no such thing as New Testament Christianity, because what that implies is that it's somehow

00:46:06.700 different or opposed to Old Testament Christianity.

00:46:09.120 No, there's just Christianity.

00:46:11.240 Jesus did not come to abolish the law, but to fulfill it.

00:46:13.940 Jesus, he verifies and gives his affirmation, his wholehearted exclamation point, amen,

00:46:20.720 to all of Moses, all of the Old Testament.

00:46:23.000 And so when Jesus talks, or when David talks about hating people, I hate your enemies,

00:46:31.040 oh God, I hate them with a perfect hatred, this is not something that Christians were

00:46:36.480 supposed to do back then, but now they shouldn't do any longer. 0.99

00:46:40.220 But again, the common trope that'll be just kind of trotted out again and again and again

00:46:45.180 by Medeva and Big Eva is, well, New Testament Christianity.

00:46:49.800 Jesus tells us to love our enemies and pray for those who persecute us.

00:46:53.400 So which one is it?

00:46:54.360 Are we supposed to hate our enemies, crush our enemies, or love our enemies and pray

00:46:58.480 for those who persecute us?

00:46:59.540 And of course, the theologically, biblically faithful answer to that question is yes.

00:47:05.440 Yes.

00:47:05.940 Which one is it?

00:47:06.720 Yes.

00:47:07.900 Do I hate my enemies or do I love them?

00:47:10.320 Yes.

00:47:11.400 Because we're supposed to follow the example that Christ, who is God, has set for us.

00:47:17.620 What does God do?

00:47:18.920 Ephesians tells us this, Ephesians chapter 2, that such were some of you.

00:47:23.200 We were once following the prince of the air, sons of disobedience, and children of God's wrath.

00:47:30.820 You and I, pre-conversion, before we were made to be new creatures in Christ Jesus,

00:47:35.260 by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone, before that happened,

00:47:38.760 when we were once following the passions of our flesh,

00:47:44.960 We were enemies of God and children of his wrath.

00:47:48.840 We were objects of God's hatred. 0.83

00:47:52.200 So it's not just that God hates the non-elect. 0.88

00:47:54.320 God even hates the elect before they are converted.

00:47:59.600 And so there was a time when God hated me, and yet here's the key.

00:48:04.620 He also pre-loved me.

00:48:07.260 There has never been a time, Owen says this.

00:48:09.760 I also believe Thomas, which one was it?

00:48:14.160 Caldwell, maybe, one of the Puritans, he said, I am convinced that there is never a time,

00:48:20.160 it might have been Voss, the hardest Voss, I am convinced that there will never be a time that

00:48:24.160 God will stop loving me precisely because there was never a time in which he began.

00:48:29.120 That you have always existed. This doesn't mean you're eternal, that you're divine,

00:48:33.400 you are a creature, but you have always existed in the mind of God. There has never been a time

00:48:38.660 in which he did not pre-know you, that's his foreknowledge, his pre-knowledge, and in his

00:48:44.640 foreknowledge of you, before the foundations of the world were even laid in the councils of

00:48:48.940 eternity, you were always known by God, the omniscient God, and there is never a time that

00:48:54.700 God, in knowing you, that he did not pre-love you. According to his foreknowledge, he knew you

00:49:01.440 and loved you before your conversion. This is also John 3.16, for God so loved the world that

00:49:07.380 he gave his only son. So there's a pre-loving, a pre-disposed affection of the divine towards

00:49:16.920 the elect before the elect are even converted. And yet, at the same time, we were enemies of

00:49:22.960 God and children of his wrath. So an elect person before conversion is simultaneously both loved by

00:49:30.200 God, loved enough that God would send his son to die for us, loved enough that God would choose you,

00:49:35.780 that he would foreknow you. That foreknowledge is not just speaking of God's omniscience,

00:49:39.840 but it's speaking of his love. It is to be pre-loved by God. Because this is the golden

00:49:45.640 thread or the golden chain of salvation in Romans 8. All those he foreknew, he predestined,

00:49:51.280 all those he predestined, he called, and it goes so on and so forth, all the way up to glorified.

00:49:58.280 And in that pre-knowledge or that foreknowledge, all those he foreknew, if it's just speaking of

00:50:03.560 God's omniscience, then that means all the way down the end of the line, at the end of the chain,

00:50:08.980 the end of the chain is glorification. So if it's just omniscience, if foreknowledge in this

00:50:14.880 context of Romans 8 is only speaking of God's omniscience, all those people which he knew

00:50:19.980 ahead of time would exist, well then that's universalism. That means he's going to save

00:50:23.820 and glorify everyone. And we know that's not biblically true. So the foreknowledge in view

00:50:28.260 in Romans chapter eight that ends with all, if God starts with foreknowing 100 people in this

00:50:34.180 context of Romans eight, then he's going to glorify, that is raise up on the final day for

00:50:39.180 eternal glory, a hundred people. The same amount of people he foreknew is the same amount of people

00:50:44.380 he's going to save. So that foreknowledge is not just speaking to omniscience, all those that God

00:50:49.440 knew ahead of time would exist, but those which he pre-loved. He pre-loved. So again, that just

00:50:56.380 makes my point. Before conversion, you were an enemy of God. That's Ephesians 2. But you were

00:51:02.580 also pre-known and pre-loved by God. So you were an enemy of God and an object, a child of his wrath.

00:51:08.820 God hated you and simultaneously was also loving you. So you were an enemy of God. First,

00:51:15.140 the friend-enemy distinction. You were an enemy of God before conversion. You who were elect,

00:51:19.780 those who were going to be converted, simply a matter of when, not if, but when. But before

00:51:24.140 your conversion, although it was inevitable, it was going to happen, God chose you before

00:51:28.060 the foundations of the world, before he converted you by the Spirit, you were an enemy in the

00:51:33.960 category of not friend, but enemy, and as God's enemy, he loved you because God loves

00:51:39.300 his enemies, his elect enemies in Christ Jesus, and he also hated you.

00:51:44.020 You were an object of his wrath, a child of his wrath.

00:51:46.980 And so too, we, with our enemies, must love our enemies and pray for those who persecute

00:51:51.160 us.

00:51:51.360 What Jesus says, classic, turns out Jesus said something true, of course.

00:51:56.560 So we should love our enemies and pray for those who persecute us, and David, as a type

00:52:01.520 of Jesus, is also correct.

00:52:03.480 Do I not loathe those and hate with a perfect hatred your enemies? 1.00

00:52:08.200 So how do we view our enemies, unbelievers who are trying to destroy the world, pervert 1.00

00:52:14.280 and indoctrinate our children, murder babies in the womb by the millions, how should we 1.00

00:52:20.420 view them?

00:52:20.820 first, and this is the first thing you've got to get, you have to be perfectly comfortable in

00:52:25.920 biblical accurate terms calling them your enemies. They are your enemies. They are your neighbors

00:52:31.420 who also happen to be your enemies. So they are both neighbors and enemies, and as enemies,

00:52:38.060 you should love them and pray for them, and also hate them with a perfect hatred. Not just hating

00:52:43.660 the sinner, but hating the sinner who you also simultaneously love. Now, in what way do you love, 0.93

00:52:48.480 and in what way do we hate?

00:52:49.960 That's the question.

00:52:51.180 And again, what Gil said here is very helpful. 0.99

00:52:53.880 It's uncomfortable, but he said the Christian cannot make

00:52:57.460 the one who God has called an enemy a friend, right?

00:53:01.460 Like we have to go by God's standard.

00:53:04.160 And Joel, just to give a little bit of scripture

00:53:05.940 to validate what you're saying,

00:53:08.980 this is Psalm, again, the diary that you discovered,

00:53:12.340 the book of Psalms, Psalm 5, verse 6.

00:53:16.560 An academic journal.

00:53:17.800 That's right. It says, you destroy those who speak lies. The Lord loathes, the Lord hates

00:53:23.720 the person of bloodshed and deceit. And this sort of thing is all over the Old Testament. And

00:53:29.700 the Psalms are replete with pleas for God to destroy the wicked, for him to judge them. It

00:53:37.920 says even begging that God would throw them into Sheol, into death, drag them out of their tents.

00:53:45.440 The image is graphic, even. 0.99

00:53:48.700 Bash the heads of their children upon the rocks.

00:53:51.720 That's another scripture that David says.

00:53:53.300 Yes.

00:53:54.280 Shatter their teeth.

00:53:55.460 The point is, we cannot be so nice that we refuse to view the world through the categories that God views them.

00:54:04.640 Right.

00:54:04.940 Now, as you said, Joel, God is a God who loves his enemies.

00:54:09.820 And so there is a danger here when we talk about hating sin and sinners that people will stew or simmer or, you know, just live.

00:54:22.120 Christ says to abide in him.

00:54:23.820 We're not saying abide in hatred, right?

00:54:26.360 We are to abide in Christ.

00:54:28.060 We are to foster the fruit of the Spirit.

00:54:32.180 And so we don't want to be overly given over to this.

00:54:37.920 There's a reason why in Ephesians 4, Paul says that we are not to allow our righteous

00:54:45.160 anger to be a foothold for the devil, right?

00:54:49.000 He says, don't let the sun go down in your anger.

00:54:50.560 I don't think that means if it's 704 and you get angry about something, you have to

00:54:53.940 be done by 707 when the sun goes down.

00:54:55.800 The point there is there's a time period, and enduring or remaining in that angry state

00:55:02.040 overly long is dangerous.

00:55:04.120 Right.

00:55:04.500 Even if it's a righteous anger.

00:55:05.660 Even if it's a righteous anger.

00:55:06.680 Yep.

00:55:07.160 Yep.

00:55:07.300 And so, yes, there are dangers and temptations here, but I think what a lot of Christians

00:55:14.340 want to do is they want to say, the danger is so great that we can't even contemplate

00:55:19.340 or countenance the idea of hating sin and sinners.

00:55:22.920 And to that, we have to say, no.

00:55:24.460 Now, this is a biblical category, and it is something that Christians need to grow in.

00:55:28.920 Like, we need to grow in this. 1.00

00:55:30.500 That's a weird thing, grow in hatred.

00:55:32.380 Well, no, yes, we do.

00:55:33.340 Because if we don't hate sin, and even God's enemies, sinners, it really reflects on how much we love and value righteousness in God's law and standard.

00:55:44.940 And this is what happened to Israel in the Old Testament again and again and again, is that they would tolerate the polytheists, the pagans, the idolaters, who would offer human sacrifices of their own children to Moloch and worship at the Asherah poles and all these different atrocious things.

00:56:01.980 and uh israel one of the ways that they did not obey god's commandments um is they neglected to 0.84

00:56:08.560 drive that's right completely out and instead they tolerated their wickedness they did not detest it 0.82

00:56:14.680 they did not you know or like you tolerate that woman jezebel you know um one of the the churches

00:56:20.220 i forget which one but the seven churches in revelation chapter two and verse three uh one

00:56:25.080 of the few commendations that jesus actually gives because most of it uh for the seven churches is

00:56:30.020 criticisms but um you know one criticism to one church is um you tolerate wickedness you tolerate

00:56:36.680 that woman jezebel uh but one of the commendations to another church is uh he says you hate the works 0.83

00:56:42.320 of the nicolaitans which i also hate and he commends them he said good job yep but i believe 0.99

00:56:48.340 it's the same church where he also says but your love has grown cold that's right you need to work 1.00

00:56:51.360 on love but he says uh he doesn't say um you got too much uh you you got anger and you should have

00:56:57.460 love. No, he says, you got anger. That's great. Now let's also foster love. Yep. So he doesn't

00:57:02.900 say let's replace anger with love. He says, no, you need to hate and you need to love both. Yep.

00:57:08.540 Both. You need to be able to hate and love. Good. All right, let's go to our last commercial break.

00:57:13.820 And when we come back, we'll talk about some practical ways that this works itself out as

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00:59:18.320 All right, so we would be remiss if we didn't give some practical considerations here, because this

00:59:24.300 is one of those things, you know, even just pastorally, that when you start to give people

00:59:28.980 permission to hate, hate wickedness, and really there is a lot of pent-up frustration in a lot

00:59:35.400 of people, a lot of Christians. Look at what's going on. There's just frustration building and 0.97

00:59:39.580 mounting and what do we do? And I'm so angry and my Christian leaders won't defend us and my

00:59:44.280 politicians sell us out. And there is a lot of pent up frustration and rage and anger. And so

00:59:51.340 we do want to be wise, right? We do want to be shrewd and we want to know the times and how to

00:59:59.340 live in them. One of the things as I was looking through the Psalms and preparing for this week

01:00:04.700 is I noticed that while David talks a lot about hating sin and hating wickedness and wicked people,

01:00:11.860 sinners, one of the things for him was that this was not just a state of emotion where he would

01:00:18.440 kind of sit in his room or on his roof and just, you know, be shaking and trembling. For a lot of

01:00:24.440 the Old Testament, we see that they would worship God. Well, worship was attached to service. It was

01:00:29.580 attached to action. One of the whole points of the Holiness Code in Leviticus 18 is that your

01:00:36.640 worship must be service, right? And so for David also, his hatred of sin and sinners was attached

01:00:44.880 to very specific actions. Well, what were some of the actions that we would say his hatred looked

01:00:51.100 like? Well, you look in Psalm 1, he would not walk in the counsel of the wicked. Part of hating

01:00:57.280 the wicked was just rejecting their company rejecting their counsel rejecting their advice

01:01:02.960 i i hate them by distancing myself from them by giving no thought to their counsel and by giving

01:01:09.820 no thought to their way right right another thing that david did out of his hatred was that he would

01:01:17.300 publicly call it out right he would so many of the psalms and so many of the prophets are calling

01:01:22.820 out wickedness. To hate wickedness and sin and sinful people is to publicly decry them. It's to

01:01:31.040 expose them. It's to distance yourself from them. It doesn't have to be going in and beating them up

01:01:37.520 in the house next to you. So we have, he resisted them. Sorry, he avoided them. He publicly decried

01:01:46.140 them. And then also in the Psalms, we see that he resisted them, where they were having leverage or

01:01:52.240 pole around him or in his nation or in, you know, the Philistines coming in, he would resist them. 0.52

01:01:57.720 Now, he had a unique privilege and responsibility as king to also wield the civil sword, right? And 0.98

01:02:06.420 so his resisting sometimes did look like actual battle, actual slaughter of God's enemies and

01:02:14.240 Israel's enemies. But the principle is we are to resist the evil that is trying to present itself

01:02:20.800 in our land. Why? Why would we resist something that we don't hate? If I'm just ambivalent towards

01:02:26.180 something, I'm just, well, I'll take it or leave it. You know, the fact that we resist, that we

01:02:30.480 reject, that we distance, that we expose, that we decry is because we hate it, is because we

01:02:37.040 think it's a terrible, awful, offensive, blasphemous idea. Yeah, what does hatred for a particular kind

01:02:43.880 of food look like? Right. It doesn't look like going throughout all the earth, you know, and

01:02:47.440 rounding up, you know, every single, you know, whatever, you know, yeah, yeah, every single

01:02:53.800 kale plant and kale farm, you know, and setting them on fire. It's just, what it looks like is

01:02:58.080 saying, you know, I hate kale and I'm not going to eat it. Under any circumstances. Under any

01:03:03.140 circumstances, you know, and mocking it, you know, as often as you get, you know, and mocking

01:03:07.720 vegans while you're at it. That's right. That's doing the Lord's work. So I'm kind of serious

01:03:13.480 about that. So, anyways, all that being said, yeah, hatred, it doesn't mean physically, and

01:03:19.480 that's what we're going to get into right now. We are not, by any stretch of the imagination,

01:03:26.180 commending or even suggesting being a vigilante. So, we are not saying that private citizens,

01:03:34.420 that they should conduct physical violence on their enemies. That's not what we're saying.

01:03:39.140 But we are saying that each of us as individual Christians, given our station in life, we have mechanisms that God has given us to both simultaneously love our enemies and hate our enemies in following the very example that God has set himself.

01:03:56.060 And so if you are, for instance, if you're part of the civil magistrate, writing just laws that bring strict, just, not overly strict, but just, strict, swift penalties to those who do wicked things, that is hating your enemies and simultaneously also loving them.

01:04:18.900 Right.

01:04:19.520 It is, because it dissuades evil.

01:04:22.820 It protects the righteous, first and foremost, in the glory of God.

01:04:25.680 but it also dissuades the evildoer so that those who in their hearts are wicked and would do more

01:04:31.820 outward wicked deeds are restrained by the threat of swift, strict penalties. If you're not a member

01:04:40.120 of the civil magistrate but you are a citizen of these United States or whatever country you're

01:04:43.960 part of, if you have a voting mechanism as we currently do, by God's grace, I hope that one

01:04:48.200 day we don't. For the record, people are like, he's against the 19th Amendment. No, I think

01:04:53.800 there's a lot of people that shouldn't be able to vote besides just you know as it pertains to the

01:04:58.520 19th amendment um democracy has not been great um part of the reason things get worse and worse and

01:05:04.680 worse is because of democracy um it's you know you you pull the degenerate uh peanut gallery

01:05:11.240 and what you get is uh further devolving into degeneracy promise them more ways to indulge in

01:05:18.000 their degeneracy well you have to that's and then they put you in power and then you give that to

01:05:22.860 them. That's the only way you can win in our current system, which is supposed to be a

01:05:28.720 constitutional republic, but has not operated that way for a very long time. We tip the hat

01:05:34.040 to the Constitution, but the Constitution, where was... Everybody's like, well, we need a

01:05:39.320 Constitution even harder. How did the Constitution work out for you in 2020 when you were locked out

01:05:44.760 of your churches? So I like the Constitution. I love the Constitution. I wish we had the

01:05:50.140 constitution uh we have it in a museum you can go and see it you know you can you know uh you can

01:05:54.520 watch uh documentaries about it but we are not a constitutional republic not in terms of the way

01:05:58.600 that we function uh the way that we function is mob rule it's an oligarch it's a mixture of a

01:06:03.700 peanut gallery um mob rule raw democracy slash oligarchy right uh where uh the oligarchs aren't

01:06:13.680 even elected officials who are the people that have the most sway um well i don't know is there

01:06:18.760 somebody who's not an elected official, not a civil magistrate, but polls have come out

01:06:23.900 and statistics suggest that they have the influence and power to sway 20% of voters?

01:06:31.600 Oh yeah, Taylor Swift, who has literally made a billion-dollar career off of songs written 0.98

01:06:38.280 about how she has poor taste in men and makes poor choices. 1.00

01:06:43.020 So somebody who's famous for writing songs about how many— 0.78

01:06:46.820 for a lack of wisdom, has influence over 20% of the population. So anyways, all that being said,

01:06:54.340 if you have a vote, I wish we didn't, but if you had a vote, you're not a civil magistrate in terms

01:07:01.160 of your vocation, you're not a police officer, you're not a county judge, you're not sitting on

01:07:05.860 a city council, but you're just a citizen. That's another way that you can hate your enemies while

01:07:11.340 simultaneously loving them. You can pray for those who persecute you, love them, wish them well,

01:07:15.840 pray for their conversion, pray for their salvation, that's the ultimate eternal love

01:07:19.940 that you can display to us, share the gospel.

01:07:21.660 Even serve them the way Christ did.

01:07:22.620 Yep, serve them the way that Christ did, and also vote against them.

01:07:26.420 Yep.

01:07:26.920 You can vote against them.

01:07:29.640 And so that's another way.

01:07:32.020 Economically, if you are a small business owner or a large business owner, you do not 1.00

01:07:37.680 have a moral obligation under God to hire transgender people who want to erode and 1.00

01:07:49.280 completely destroy your way of life. You don't. You can hire friends, fire enemies. You can do 1.00

01:07:57.920 that. Now, I'm not saying that you can, you know, without cause there are certain lawsuits, you know,

01:08:03.940 So, you know, hire friends, fire enemies.

01:08:07.840 What I mean there, to be technical and practical so that, you know, I'm not suggesting something that would get you into trouble, just don't hire degenerates. 1.00

01:08:16.980 Hire Christians. 1.00

01:08:18.840 Hire Christians. 0.99

01:08:20.400 And in terms of as just a consumer, as someone who, not just an owner of a business, but a consumer. 0.99

01:08:27.700 All of us have money and we spend money, spending money on refusing to give your money to those who are wicked and hate your way of life.

01:08:37.800 There are a ton of organizations that a portion of the money that you use on their business will go to ActBlue.

01:08:45.700 And Act Blue is exclusively utilized strategically to get Democrats into office to see to it that there are more babies in the womb murdered and that there is more degeneracy and more perversion and more displays like the Olympics in France, which, for the record, was not just men in dresses and not just blasphemy, a mockery of the Lord's Supper.

01:09:10.600 but it was also, I mean, part of the reason why they had to delete the video is because you could

01:09:15.720 see on the video, not just a man who's wearing a dress, but whose genitalia is hanging out and

01:09:23.060 right next to a child. These are, you know, Orr McIntyre says it again and again, he's right. 0.98

01:09:28.500 He says, don't make me tap the sign. They're just evil and they want to diddle kids. That's it.

01:09:35.100 That is it. It's not rocket science. It's not that complex. You don't have to figure out all

01:09:39.880 the intricacies. It really is that simple. There are two groups right now. There's wicked men,

01:09:47.360 that's the GOP, and then there are people who are exceedingly wicked and want to diddle kids,

01:09:53.940 and that's the Democrats. It really is that simple. It's like, really, why are they doing

01:09:58.920 this? What's their end goal? Their end goal is to remove, in the same way they took homosexuality

01:10:06.000 and sodomy that used to be viewed as a disorder, as a disorder.

01:10:10.660 And I'm not talking about 4,000 years ago, in the 70s.

01:10:15.180 And they removed that and rewrote the dictionary and redid the studies and all this kind of

01:10:20.660 stuff, not because the science changed, but because they lobbied and kept showing up at

01:10:24.920 conventions and screaming at their opponents until they did their bidding, until they just

01:10:29.880 conceded.

01:10:31.400 Their ultimate, if you think, what's their end goal? 0.95

01:10:33.480 Their end goal is to do the same thing they did with sodomy. 0.91

01:10:36.000 to do that with pedophilia. 0.99

01:10:37.420 Their end goal is to touch children. 0.52

01:10:40.660 That's the goal.

01:10:41.720 It really is that simple. 0.72

01:10:42.700 The Democratic Party exists to make it legal to objectify children.

01:10:47.860 And Joel, to bring it kind of full circle...

01:10:50.000 The ones they don't kill. 1.00

01:10:51.240 Kill half of them in the womb and then touch the others. 1.00

01:10:54.760 If Christians cannot hate that, 1.00

01:10:58.320 if the church cannot hate that goal... 0.96

01:11:02.600 Then you just need to sit down and let someone else lead.

01:11:04.640 you're just not you're not david right so matt chandler's right um matt chandler's right in that

01:11:09.640 instance if you don't hate that yep um then you're not david and um you should be actually

01:11:15.760 you should be following um his example of hating with a perfect hatred those who hate god and those

01:11:21.920 who hate god's image as they see it in its most pure temporal form which is in children yeah and

01:11:28.920 that's why the left hates children is because they hate god right and they hate his image right and

01:11:34.620 they see the image of God least defiled, least tarnished, and most vulnerable, easiest to defile

01:11:42.220 in children. And the most harm that can be done, too. The most harm, yeah. And that's how they

01:11:49.880 reproduce, right? Conservatives, Christians reproduce through families, child-rearing, 1.00

01:11:57.340 traditional marriage, and children, procreation. The left reproduces by molesting children, 0.94

01:12:04.620 so that they are scarred for life and end up being gay. 1.00

01:12:08.320 They can't actually reproduce in terms of procreation, 0.99

01:12:11.480 so they reproduce their ideology through conversion.

01:12:15.460 Such an irony is that they've said conversion therapy is illegal, 0.86

01:12:20.220 but the only reason gay people exist is because of conversion.

01:12:23.640 Nobody is born gay.

01:12:25.600 Everyone is convinced and persuaded 1.00

01:12:28.860 and progressively grows in perverse appetites

01:12:32.860 and is handed over.

01:12:35.060 That's what we see in Romans 1.

01:12:36.160 It's a progression.

01:12:37.540 It's a progression.

01:12:38.760 They're like this, and then this, and then this,

01:12:41.900 and all the way up until they eventually become even inventors of evil.

01:12:45.980 They start inventing new ways of doing evil.

01:12:48.800 Sin is a progression.

01:12:50.340 There's a progression to sin.

01:12:52.380 There is a conversion, a gradual conversion.

01:12:55.860 And so, yeah, if you don't hate that, then, yeah, I guess you're not David,

01:13:00.200 in which case you don't need to be king.

01:13:02.860 David was king. He was fit for the role. He wasn't perfect, but he was a man after God's own heart

01:13:09.260 who was also a sinner. But a man after God's own heart, nonetheless, and a man after God's own

01:13:14.160 heart in what regard? He loved like God loved. And he loved what God loved and who God loved.

01:13:20.560 And he also hated like God hated and hated what God hated and hated who God hated. And so it is

01:13:29.040 fitting for kings. It is fitting for kings to have a kingly love and a kingly hatred. 0.98

01:13:35.860 Yep. Okay. Any other? I did want to say one last thing. One of the reasons I think that 0.97

01:13:41.840 we don't hate sin is because many of us have tolerated it in our own life.

01:13:46.980 And to those people, and I'm speaking to myself too, I don't hate sin like I should,

01:13:52.320 pray the Psalms, right? Get those in your soul. Have it be your pattern of speech to say the

01:14:02.160 things that David said. We have to overcorrect here. We have to, when you have tolerated sin,

01:14:09.940 you have to work to soften your conscience. I mean, if you've been working construction and

01:14:18.380 your back is all in knots, it takes a lot of pressure working out those knots, right? The

01:14:23.460 Holy Spirit has to do that in us. But it doesn't just happen by sitting around. It happens as you

01:14:28.000 put the Word and the affections of God and of godly men like King David into your mind and

01:14:35.380 into your heart. So one thing that I would encourage you to do, if you feel like I'm not

01:14:40.280 strong here, I'm weak here, pray these things. Pray them out loud. Read them. Meditate on them

01:14:45.880 over and over until the holy spirit uses the word to change your heart in this area amen that's good

01:14:51.880 so the practical thing just just one more for the record uh we are not saying that private citizens

01:14:58.300 as as vigil antis right should hate their enemies by uh inflicting physical harm right we are not

01:15:07.380 saying that uh but we are saying that given your station in life uh in god's providence where he's

01:15:13.860 placed you, there are multiple mechanisms for loving and simultaneously hating your enemies.

01:15:19.900 Just as God, when you were once his enemy, pre-loved you according to his foreknowledge,

01:15:25.920 and also you were a child of his wrath, an object of his wrath. He hated and loved you

01:15:30.540 simultaneously. And so for your enemies, you should pray first in terms of, well,

01:15:34.600 what do I pray for? First, pray for their conversion. Second, that is their salvation,

01:15:39.200 that those enemies would become friends, that they would become new creatures in Christ Jesus.

01:15:43.860 just like the Apostle Paul was an enemy of the church,

01:15:47.340 persecuting the church,

01:15:48.320 and then became one of their greatest advocates and friends.

01:15:51.400 So praying for the conversion.

01:15:52.880 And then second, another thing to pray for your enemies

01:15:54.920 that is loving towards the flock of God,

01:15:58.020 the people of God,

01:15:58.680 but also loving even towards your enemies

01:16:00.240 is praying that their wicked plans would be thwarted,

01:16:04.480 that they would come to nothing.

01:16:05.640 As David says in the Psalms again and again,

01:16:07.480 my enemies, they dug a pit and fell into it themselves.

01:16:11.140 And so praying, God, with the snare that my enemies are contriving for me and for the righteous in the political landscape, for this November and for this and for that, Lord, I pray that they would fall into their own snare.

01:16:23.960 I pray that all their plans would come down upon their own head.

01:16:28.560 So praying, first, God, convert my enemies, save my enemies, save your enemies, and cause them to become your friends and mine.

01:16:36.240 Secondly, cause all their plans to be thwarted, all their plans to come to nothing, even turn

01:16:41.600 their plans against them, that the evil they intended to do to the righteous would fall

01:16:47.140 upon them tenfold. 0.60

01:16:49.840 And then, share the gospel with your enemies. 0.54

01:16:54.380 Seek to do the work of an evangelist with your enemies.

01:16:57.940 Seek to be used by God as his instrument for conversion with your enemies.

01:17:03.100 Invite your enemies to church, all these different things.

01:17:07.360 And then be neighborly towards your enemies in all the ways that you can, righteously, without taking part in their evil deeds.

01:17:16.720 If your enemy happens to be your next-door neighbor and you know that they're voting for Kamala Harris, 0.62

01:17:22.540 they are voting for a woman who is going to spend four years trying to let 20 million illegal immigrants into the country

01:17:30.340 so that they will vote Democrat 0.86

01:17:32.040 so that Republicans will never win another election

01:17:34.280 so that kids can be diddled.

01:17:36.540 It is that simple.

01:17:39.200 Your neighbor is, you know, like Jesus on the cross,

01:17:43.040 forgive them, Lord, they know not what they do. 1.00

01:17:44.680 It could be your neighbor is just a dimwit. 0.98

01:17:47.700 But it could also be that your neighbor is just really evil. 1.00

01:17:50.980 But either way, if your neighbor is voting for Kamala,

01:17:53.400 they are, whether unknowingly or intentionally,

01:17:56.200 they're working towards the diddling of children.

01:17:58.500 That is what it is.

01:17:59.580 and and so you can watch their dog as they go on vacation you can gather their mail you can

01:18:07.260 take out their trash you know if they forgot to take it out and it's up against the house you

01:18:12.220 know and it's trash day and they're out of town you can love them in all these ways now hating

01:18:17.060 them how do i simultaneously that's the love so praying uh sharing the gospel being neighborly

01:18:22.640 and then hating how can i hate uh voting righteously in a way that hurts your enemies

01:18:27.880 Righteous votes are less good for those who want evil than wicked votes.

01:18:35.660 So you can vote as righteously as possible given the system that we currently have.

01:18:42.120 Another thing you can do, you can run for local office.

01:18:45.020 You can legislate.

01:18:46.520 If you find yourself in a position of civil authority, you can legislate righteous bills

01:18:51.360 that praise the righteous,

01:18:56.400 those who do good,

01:18:57.180 and punish the evildoer.

01:18:59.340 Economically, you can spend as a consumer

01:19:01.280 your money towards good companies

01:19:04.040 and boycott bad companies,

01:19:06.480 try to starve them out.

01:19:08.760 And then even not just a consumer,

01:19:10.500 but someone who's producing

01:19:11.980 as an entrepreneur or a business owner,

01:19:14.920 you can hire Christians.

01:19:17.000 And even if they're not Christians,

01:19:18.560 hire um um cultural christians it's not the same the cultural christian apart from saving grace

01:19:24.500 that's found in christ alone will go to hell for eternity but uh better to hire elon musk

01:19:29.160 than to hire um jeff bezos jeff bezos yeah uh-huh it is that simple and so um so yeah so um how you

01:19:39.660 spend your money economically you can hate your enemies by withholding um your spending from

01:19:45.160 wicked corporations uh and then hiring who you hire um and and then um uh we already said in a

01:19:54.180 civil way um i don't know are there any other practical ways that i mean there are i wrote a

01:19:59.080 tweet about it had like six different things i can't remember it offhand but anything else that

01:20:02.240 you want to share of practical ways to hate enemies besides dressing up like batman in the

01:20:07.100 middle of night and and inflicting harm just again one more time for the record we are not saying

01:20:11.780 that yeah i think we've covered a lot of them okay yeah all right yeah well then thank you guys so

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The NXR Podcast - July 31, 2024

THE LIVESTREAM - It’s Time To Hate Sin (and sinners) Again

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