When Joe Rogan sat down with Ian Carroll to discuss a subject that gets people deplatformed, the response was predictable. Outrage, accusations, and the usual demand that some topics remain off limits. But why is this conversation so radioactive? Why is scrutiny of elite power labeled bigotry while real intelligence operations, like Epstein s network, are ignored? And what about Israel? Why does a foreign nation wield such massive influence over American politics? Why do U.S. politicians fall over themselves to fund Israel s military, defend its intelligence operations and suppress criticism?
00:04:13.460There's a lot of guys who've talked about Israel in the last couple years.
00:04:17.280As suppression of speech has lessened from Elon buying Twitter, turning it into X, with Trump winning and the Biden regime, all these different things, there are certain things that we are able to talk about in the public sphere with a little bit more liberty than we would have been able to just a short while ago.
00:04:40.540So you're seeing a spike in these kinds of topics, especially around Israel, especially, you know, the Jews and all these kinds of things.
00:04:49.400So a lot of guys are talking about it.
00:05:00.140Now, obviously, I think the first thing that people are going to say is they're going to say, well, the reason why is because they're controlled opposition and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
00:05:09.380That's always a possibility. Controlled opposition is a real thing. I don't want to diminish that at all. That's that's real. There are there are guys who are bought and paid for to to appear to have a thin veneer of being, you know, opposition, being conservative.
00:05:27.280but they're not. They're still on the side of the regime and everything like that,
00:05:34.660still a part of the status quo. That's absolutely a reality. But in the case of two individuals,
00:05:41.340Ian Carroll and Marta Maid, Daryl Cooper. So Daryl Cooper, he went on Tucker Carlson
00:05:48.680a few months back. And then Ian Carroll, he just, you know, a couple of days ago,
00:05:52.660went on joe rogan uh these are two massive platforms massive tucker carlson and joe rogan
00:05:59.080and daryl's going on rogan's show he's coming down in austin he said he's going to be on
00:06:02.860so you're going to see us right here on monday run it back no just kidding but he is going to
00:06:06.640be on rogan oh he is this weekend yeah he's coming down and i don't know when it'll come out oh yeah
00:06:11.600that's exciting um so so why these guys why daryl cooper and ian carroll again controlled
00:06:18.760opposition is something that you know i've been seeing online you know from a lot of different
00:06:22.760voices uh and platforms on x you know well it's just because you know blah blah blah blah blah
00:06:28.040um maybe that's possible i think there's a lot of controlled opposition it's a real thing in the
00:06:34.040case of these two individuals um ian carroll i know less about uh daryl cooper i actually do know
00:06:39.660a little bit because i am friends with some of the guys who are friends you know personally
00:06:43.800friends with him and have known him for uh several years before he caught his big break before he
00:06:48.820went on tucker long before any of that um so i i will speak with more confidence in the case of
00:06:54.280uh daryl cooper than uh ian carroll uh but i think that both there is a common denominator
00:07:01.340all right there's a thread that runs through both of these two guys that i think um is at least part
00:07:07.060of the reason why they're um they're getting so much limelight and uh and able to speak to such
00:07:12.040a large audience on this very controversial topic of Israel. And here it is. One is because
00:07:22.180both of them postured themselves with a disposition, just a general disposition of
00:07:27.020humility. The number of times that Ian Carroll said on this interview with Joe Rogan,
00:07:31.100I could be wrong, was a lot, a lot. And that goes a long way. And so I want to pick up on some of
00:07:40.760these things that I observed in terms of before we get into what, the substance, looking at why
00:07:45.480and how. And the reason why I think it's worth our brief investigation right here on the front end
00:07:52.500is because if there are some profound, deep, sinister corruptions that need to be exposed,
00:08:01.360right, the scripture even tells us, you know, take no part in the deeds of wickedness that
00:08:06.240are done in darkness, but rather avoid them, no, expose them. The Bible actually says that we should
00:08:12.140expose these things. So for the good of the righteous, for the good of our families, our
00:08:17.780wives, our children, for the good of our nation, if it is true that the relationship with America
00:08:24.380and Israel at a political level, all these different things, if that really is harmful and
00:08:31.040negative, then as a patriot and loving your country and loving your wife and your children,
00:08:37.060wanting the best future for your family, for your posterity, for your fellow citizens,
00:08:43.680then we want to expose these things. We want to expose evil that righteousness might prevail.
00:08:50.440And yes, I do think that there is a massively negative impact at a political level with Israel1.00
00:08:58.740and America, and then certainly at a religious and spiritual level, the whole Judeo-Christian1.00
00:09:04.840oxymoron, because that's what it is, it's an oxymoron, it's incredibly unhelpful. There are0.95
00:09:12.160so many Christians that, whether they would verbalize this and say it out loud, at least0.59
00:09:17.680at some subconscious level, they treat Jews, and at this point I'm saying Jews in a religious sense,
00:09:25.120religious practicing jews as though it's some uh christian adjacent category it's not there there
00:09:33.560are children of god and children of satan john chapter 8 is very clear with this um if god is
00:09:39.060not your father and just for the record god you know people who say we're all god's children no
00:09:44.000the bible doesn't teach that the bible does not teach we're all children of god the whole idea
00:09:47.720of christianity is that upon conversion being saved by grace alone through faith alone in christ
00:09:52.400alone. There's the ministry of adoption, the ministry of adoption, meaning I was adopted in
00:09:58.380a literal sense as a baby. And if my birth parents took me to the courthouse, you know, as a baby and
00:10:07.060said, we want to adopt this child, you know, they would look at my birth parents as though they0.54
00:10:10.760were, well, actually, we need to take this child away because you're intellectually so deficient.
00:10:16.980You're not fit for raising the child. What do you mean you want to adopt this child? He's already
00:10:20.600yours. So, the mere presence of the doctrine, theological Christian doctrine of adoption,
00:10:26.880what it presupposes is if God is adopting people as his children, that assumes that not all people
00:10:34.820are his children. I'll say that again. If God is adopting people as his children,
00:10:39.340it presupposes that not all people are his children. And so, we are born into sin,
00:10:45.440is what the Bible teaches. Now, that's not to say that people don't have a father.
00:10:51.880The Bible is clear. Everybody has a father. But if God is not your father, then you still have
00:10:58.960a father, but your father is the devil. That's what John chapter 8 teaches. And so until you
00:11:05.780are born again and saved by the grace of God and his grace alone and have union with Christ,
00:11:10.660the only begotten Son of God, we're adopted as sons of God by virtue of our union with the Son
00:11:16.960of God, who is Jesus Christ. Apart from that, God is not your father. The devil is your father. And
00:11:23.720so my whole point in saying that is to say that there are only two categories. You're either in
00:11:29.360Adam and spiritually dead in sin, or you're in the second Adam, who is Jesus Christ and spiritually
00:11:35.300alive and forgiven. And in a positional sense, you are righteous because of the imputed righteousness
00:11:42.360of Christ, which comes by faith. And so, you're either wicked or you're righteous. You're either
00:11:48.500in Adam or you're in Christ. You're either a child of God or you're a child of the devil. There is no
00:11:53.680third Christian-adjacent category. Those who are practicing false religions, be it Islam or be it1.00
00:12:01.800you know, Buddhism or Hinduism or Judaism are lost. They are lost. They are not Christian0.98
00:12:10.300adjacent. They're not our brothers in Christ. They're not our allies. They are lost. They are0.99
00:12:17.960enemies of God, children of his wrath. And by virtue of being enemies of God, they are enemies
00:12:22.960of God's people. And that doesn't mean that we can't pray for their conversion. It doesn't mean0.98
00:12:27.040that we don't do the work of evangelists. It doesn't mean that we need to be unnecessarily
00:12:31.400Rood or any of these things, but we do need to recognize whatever concerns you might have of0.93
00:12:38.360Islam taking over Europe, you should have those concerns about Judaism. You should. Islam has0.99
00:12:45.920been one of the greatest, most formidable enemies of the church, the Christian church, for at least,1.00
00:12:52.580what, 13 centuries? I mean, all the Crusades, I mean, centuries of wars between Christians and
00:13:00.100and Muslims. And so, Islam is a formidable enemy. The only difference between Islam and Judaism,1.00
00:13:05.600as far as I'm concerned, is that one of those enemies is overt and the other one is subvert.0.87
00:13:11.260One of them is overt and attacks from without, from the outside. The other one is subvert
00:13:16.460and attacks, I believe, in many ways from within. Now, here's the point. As it pertains to Ian
00:13:22.660Carroll and the interview that he just did two days ago on Joe Rogan and also with Daryl Cooper,
00:13:28.760one of the reasons why they're getting such a massive stage to have these conversations
00:13:33.700is because of the disclaimers, the qualifiers, the carefulness. So when I say that Judaism is
00:13:39.660an enemy, and I think that Israel poses a religious and political and even cultural threat
00:13:46.160to Christianity and to the West and to America, both of these guys, Ian Carroll especially,
00:13:52.980he qualified that by saying, I don't mean each and every individual Jewish person at an ethnic
00:13:59.240level. He's saying, no, no, no. You know, it's like Warren McIntyre, I think is good in terms of,
00:14:06.660you know, Italian elite theory. Here's the reality. Is every individual American citizen
00:14:14.220responsible for, to whatever degree they've embraced the degenerate values that we find
00:14:25.000in the modern Western culture? Yes. To give a really specific example, is an individual person,
00:14:36.780a man, let's just use a man, is he responsible under God and is he going to have to stand before
00:14:43.260God and give an account for looking at pornography and being lustful, being perverted, being a pervert
00:14:51.400according to the Word of God? Yes. But biblically speaking, so not just tactics and strategy,
00:14:56.920but even morally and biblically, is he equally culpable, equally morally responsible as somebody
00:15:05.700who is peddling pornography? And the answer is no. This is a clear biblical principle. Jesus
00:15:14.120talks about this. He talks about there is a difference in degree of moral culpability for
00:15:21.000the one who stumbles and the one who causes another to stumble. There's a difference in
00:15:26.560stumbling. That is sin. So it's not to say, oh, you're absolved of guilt. No, no, you're guilty.
00:27:56.260Once he made a little bit of money, what he did instead of developing more textile factories and more trading routes was he began to lend that money to politicians.
00:28:05.740And he started lower with Dukes and things like that.
00:28:08.460And then once he would lend them the money, then he would exert a measure of control on them.
00:28:13.840And it got to the point where he actually, the Holy Roman Empire needed a new ruler.
00:28:53.260When the Roman Empire, the Holy Roman Empire, was looking for a new emperor, Fugger lent 850,000 florins, which was almost like you couldn't even imagine that kind of wealth at the time, to Charles V.
00:29:08.580I actually can't imagine that kind of wealth because we just got a $300 super chat.
00:30:21.020Most of us, when we look at these sorts of actors in history, when the light of history exposes what happened back then, most of us look back and we say it's good that we know that that's happening.
00:30:33.000And at the time, probably the educated people would have liked to have known what was going
00:36:17.640But that, you know, for Andrew and I, we don't think so.
00:36:20.840And that's not to say that they don't have any, you know, any blood.
00:36:23.760But we think that a lot of the first century Jews were destroyed in AD 70 with the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple.
00:36:32.600And then many other ones who got out of Dodge and actually physically survived and were able to repopulate.
00:36:38.700Many of them, they did so because they listened to the words of Jesus when he foretold exactly what would happen.
00:36:44.520Not one stone of the temple left on another.
00:36:46.340In Matthew 24, his Olivet Discourse, 40 years before AD 70, the destruction took place.0.59
00:36:51.480And so it was, in large part, the Jewish Christians who converted to Christ and Christianity who listened to Jesus and who survived.
00:36:59.860And because they survived, and they survived because of trusting Jesus and his words and his prophecy and converted to Christianity,
00:37:08.100it's very likely that they probably had embraced more the apostolic teaching of neither Jew nor Gentile and were comfortable with intermarrying.
00:37:18.240and through intermarriage. So Ashkenazi Jews today may, it's possible. There's not a lot
00:37:24.960of research on this. They've found catacombs underneath Jerusalem that they think are 2,000
00:37:30.060years old. And they've done DNA swabs and tried to match it up. And like, okay, 87% match with
00:37:39.000the average Ashkenazi Jew in Israel today. But then they match it up with Christians in one1.00
00:37:47.760certain, you know, geographic area in Palestine and found, oh, it's a 93% or 94% match. And so
00:37:54.220they actually have more of this blood. And so the point is, we did this series, this nine-part
00:38:00.980series, you know, ethnically, you know, what does this even mean? You know, that they're ethnically
00:38:05.560Jewish, you know, what does it mean covenantally? What does it mean biblically? What does it mean
00:38:08.840theologically? What does it mean politically? What does it mean nationally, right? That's the
00:38:12.420problem when you say Jew. Are you talking about Israel the state as a national entity?0.76
00:38:17.760are you talking about um the jewish people ethnically and and what does that even mean
00:38:22.800you know and are you talking about jews religiously you know those who practice
00:38:27.100judaism are you talking like there's real jews christians right god's actual chosen people you
00:38:33.280know those who uh by god god's grace have put faith in jesus christ but here's the point we
00:38:38.040did that series all this back to what you said michael we did that series and it's been coming
00:38:42.660out weekly and the most frequent email that i've received in terms of feedback to that series
00:38:47.680was actually guys to the right of me to the right of me saying this actually helped me to pull back
00:38:54.520a little bit right um it actually helped me to pull back a little bit and and why all this back
00:39:00.220to your point the point that michael made just you know to remind the listener um because i've
00:39:04.840been rambling for the last five minutes but um michael said that that when you when you say you're
00:39:10.120not allowed to go there and uh and you know the epstein files will never be released and uh you
00:39:15.880can't look into this and you can't make any criticism of that and and um we're going to
00:39:20.500actually uh put forward bills that would make this kind of speech land you in jail or get you
00:39:26.540fined in like 25 28 states in the united states right like your rfk junior is like hey i wanted
00:39:31.900you to get seed oils out of my food and he's like best i can do is uh put you in jail for
00:39:35.820anti-semitism he came out like anti-semitism is a public health risk right what what we wanted you
00:39:41.440take care like i wanted you to make sure that we got tallow fries you know back back in you know
00:39:46.980in all the fast food restaurants he's like yeah you know what best i can do is put you and here's
00:39:51.560the question what do they have on him that's a great question we don't know for sure we're not
00:39:55.960claiming yeah for sure they've got it over his head but see that's the point is the fact that
00:40:00.300you just had that thought which is a perfectly valid thought um that's michael's point that's
00:40:06.880the point all three of us are making, is when that's the way that you react, it does not make
00:40:13.900people say, oh, well, you know what, I can criticize every nation on earth except this one,
00:40:20.640because if I criticize them, I'll go to jail, right? And the reaction, if you think the reaction
00:40:27.420is going to be, oh, well, then, you know, I'm going to be very hinged and very, very reasonable
00:40:32.540and moderate on my position. Like, you're an idiot if you think that that's going to be the1.00
00:40:37.500response. No, the response is, what are they hiding? It must be even worse than I thought,1.00
00:40:41.320blah, blah, blah. And so when Andrew and I, by just virtue of two pastors, Christian pastors,0.97
00:40:46.120having this conversation and not sugarcoating it and saying, no, no, no, no, Judeo-Christian0.84
00:40:52.360is a psyop and it's bad. But also, disclaimer, here's a statistic, here's a quote, here's a
00:41:00.480this, here's that. It actually helped a lot of guys who were further to our right say, okay,
00:41:07.160you know what, that's all I want. I just wanted somebody to be willing to talk about it, somebody
00:41:11.220to give a little bit of validation, you know, and stop telling me that I'm going to hell and
00:41:15.900that I'm a Nazi, because I actually think that Israel might have some problems. And by virtue0.81
00:41:21.740of you guys being willing to talk about this, not willing to anathematize me and, you know,
00:41:27.600damn me to hell over my views has actually made me step back. I actually feel more comfortable now
00:41:35.540taking a more moderate position. But when you do the opposite, like the rise of anti-Semitism,
00:41:41.280oh, it's because guys like, you know, Candace Owens, and it's because of like,
00:41:46.060guys like Joel Webb. No, no, no. The rise of anti-Semitism is because Elon Musk bought Twitter
00:41:52.240and and speech is freer than it's and then it's been in decades it is freer and people can read
00:42:00.740statistics and people can find information and um everyone's telling them don't look there don't
00:42:08.320look there don't it's a combat i think it's it's very simple um it is the combination of of everyone
00:42:15.320telling you that criticizing israel is the is the worst moral thing you could possibly do
00:42:20.340combined with elon musk buying twitter and a bunch of this information being prevalent let's show
00:42:26.120the graph that actually shows support for israel is the lowest it's been at in about two decades
00:42:30.020yeah nate let's do that gotta get a graph in um so this is a gallup poll that's been tracking
00:42:35.500sentiment since the 2001 is when they started and so this is just a kind of it's a snapshot this is
00:42:41.800in uh the middle east and what you can notice is it's not as though just since october 7th and
00:42:47.140And then Israel's retaliation has been going down.
00:42:49.600From its peak in about 2018, support for, sympathies for Israel,
00:42:55.680they've declined to their lowest level in about two and a half decades.
00:42:58.980Specifically in the Israel-Palestine situation.
00:59:58.320We're going to jump right into some clips.
01:00:00.020So here's something that we want to hit with our first reaction segment here.
01:00:04.620So the idea in the Joe Rogan podcast, and it's all over the news, Epstein, Epstein files, Epstein's involvement, was he a CIA asset? Was he a Mossad asset? All of those questions.
01:00:17.580One of the things that is, I think, I guess that we're trying to get across here, probably
01:00:22.540not news to any of you all who are regular listeners, but the idea that Jeffrey Epstein
01:00:28.660was not just like a lone wolf predator.
01:00:33.560Likely, I think that the record, the historical record will show that his operation functioned
01:04:00.480wes clipped that one wes i love how you just dropped that uh the clip to end right at the
01:04:09.600end there with wait the fake passport it's like but wait there's more this is at the end of a
01:04:13.760five hour episode and someone jeremiah mentioned it it's a brutal listen but it's it's incredible
01:04:19.600because and we'll move on quickly but what he's describing is in all of these countries at the
01:04:25.040high levels the elites trafficked children right abused even murdered in many cases literally like
01:04:32.040that was the sport was murder and then we have jeffrey epstein he traveled with bill clinton
01:04:37.440like 50 times the president of the united states the one whose wife almost beat trump in 2016
01:04:44.920so there's this idea and that's it's what would be wanted to believed there's this guy jeffrey
01:04:50.180epstein man he was a pedophile and even his girlfriend uh elaine maxwell was in on it no no
01:04:55.760no no no no no this man had decades and billions of dollars doing something way bigger than himself
01:05:01.800and and the point is 2022 we've known this yep this is this is on apple podcast this is now on
01:05:09.180joe rogan and that fact needs to make you angry there are there are hundreds of families in
01:05:14.860florida where he had a lot of his estate and did a lot of this their kids went missing their kids
01:05:19.700died and the post-war consensus that runs cover the first time he gets arrested nope cover for
01:05:25.280him well he's an israeli intelligence why can't we question israeli israeli intelligence operations
01:05:29.620trace it all the way back post-war consensus and real family we've talked about it real children
01:05:34.740but we have new listeners every single week when you say post-war consensus what you're saying is
01:05:38.740it. Um, it's the whole, it's, what is the post-war consensus? It's everything that I don't
01:05:43.420like is Hitler. Uh, what is the post-war consensus? It's, um, it's the, the, the never again
01:05:49.000sentiment. It's, uh, if we criticize Jeffrey Epstein and recognize that it's more than just
01:05:54.640him as an individual, but that he was standing in as representative as Israeli intelligence with,
01:06:00.360with strong connections to our own American elite, uh, leaders and politicians, but also
01:06:05.340israeli you know politicians and that it's beyond just him as an individual it's the same kind of
01:06:10.640strategy honestly it's it's similar to what they did with biden right all of a sudden the the trump
01:06:15.240and biden debate happens and and everybody you know just starts feigning ignorance they're like
01:06:21.080oh my gosh i can't believe that uh did you i had no clue that biden had dementia it's like
01:06:26.120everyone knew he had dementia we've been saying it in the primaries in 2020 everyone knew and it's
01:06:32.180like oh i i had like who's the guy there's some some guy who literally talked about how he was
01:06:36.400sharp as a tech and how it was a conspiracy theory and now he's writing a book yeah about how people
01:06:41.540covered up biden's dementia not jake tapper you covered up biden's dementia but here's my point
01:06:47.100when when all of a sudden you know the winds uh shifted and there was no longer a public sentiment
01:06:53.040and favoritism for biden they couldn't they couldn't manufacture it anymore because because
01:06:57.300it just became too obvious and plain for all to see then what did they do they said you know what
01:07:02.160And this is the nail in the coffin that reveals that the Democrats as a whole have all been corrupt and in lockstep together, you know, using Biden as, you know, Bernie's weekend, you know, weekend at Bernie's, you know, in the White House for the last, you know, three years.
01:07:20.240They all said, oh, my goodness, I can't believe that one guy has been fooling us and there's a problem with him, but all of us are innocent.
01:08:41.480Well, it's interesting because, and I've said this on the podcast before, but it bears repeating here.
01:08:48.000The Democrats were upset that Trump ran as a Republican.
01:08:52.180He had been a lifelong kind of New York Democrat.
01:08:55.140He kind of turned on them and ran as a Republican in 2016.
01:08:59.060However, the vitriol against him turned up to an 11 when he started announcing that he was going to be going after child trafficking rings.
01:09:09.860Before that, it had just been, you know, basic politics.
01:09:13.280But I vividly remember he came out and he just said, there's all this child trafficking stuff going on.
01:09:21.460And he shut down several of them, and it was almost the next day that the media and the hatred against him moved from just political animosity to real vitriol, real hatred.
01:19:04.380And I think one of the great arguments, and this is one of the reasons, this is back to
01:19:07.820the first segment of the episode in terms of not just what was said in this interview with Joe
01:19:11.640Rogan and Ian Carroll, but in terms of how it was said and some of the strategies and tactics
01:19:16.760that we can employ as Christians so that we can be heard by a larger audience and be more
01:19:22.320compelling and more persuasive so that we can obey the scripture and take no part in deeds that
01:19:27.840are done in darkness, but rather not just avoid them, but expose them. Well, one of the ways to
01:19:32.400expose successfully, expose deeds that are done in darkness is by being persuasive, by being
01:19:39.060compelling. And one of the ways to be compelling and persuasive to where you can't easily be
01:19:43.640swatted down or dismissed is by avoiding grandiose claims, hyperbolic language that can
01:19:53.680easily be disproven. Some kind of widespread secret Jewish cabal is difficult to prove.
01:20:02.400but saying you know what there doesn't require some jewish cabal because there are sins which
01:20:09.560are common to man right meaning that everybody doesn't have to formally uh get in a room you
01:20:15.460know three times a year you know and perform rituals and i for the record we actually think
01:20:20.340some of those things do happen and not necessarily exclusive have happened in the past and not
01:20:25.320necessarily exclusive to Israel, but there have been evil entities and formal alliances and groups,
01:20:33.920you know, cults that get together, you know, in the woods, you know, with a full moon and do this
01:20:38.340blood ritual. Like, those things have happened. So, we're not saying it never has happened and
01:20:42.820it couldn't happen again. But what we are saying is that that's not necessary to prove the point.
01:20:49.220The point is that you can, because sin is common to man, we're not talking about filleting people alive, we're talking about sexual perversion, that is a common sin, and financial greed, it's a common sin.
01:21:04.720right um those two alone um uh girls and gold perversion and greed those are sins which are
01:21:14.680common to every man uh but the reality is that every man doesn't have the same means by his
01:21:19.780station in life is not every man is a billionaire not every man is a prime minister not every man
01:21:25.780is a part of of some kind of you know three-letter agency with with access to this and access to that
01:21:32.300an ability to to cover his trail and all like so what we're saying is these are sins which are
01:21:36.780common to man and men of means will be able to you know have those same temptations that all of us
01:21:43.360have but achieve them um in in a much more um you know higher degree much much more uh widespread
01:21:52.440ways and you don't have to pick up the phone and all meet in a in a secret underground layer
01:21:57.840in order to make sure that you're on the same page like hey i just want to make sure that
01:22:02.020you're greedy i'm greedy and i want to make sure you're greedy too you don't have to make that
01:22:05.480phone call you can just bank on it right you know no pun intended you know but like you can bank on0.68
01:22:10.740greed um you absolutely can of course you can um you can bank on perversion you can bank on this0.63
01:22:17.240you can bank on that and uh and so unregenerate men unbelievers especially unbelievers from a0.90
01:22:26.120nation that's known in terms of the religion not everybody practices but but for those who do0.70
01:22:30.540is Judaism, which is specifically known as rejecting Christ and believing not only that
01:22:37.100he wasn't God, he's a prophet, but he's not a deity. No, but that he was a blasphemer. He was
01:22:42.140a liar and that he's not just lacking in deity, but that he's terrible. Judaism has a very,1.00
01:22:50.480very negative view of Christ. And so, if we're talking about a nation that has been shaped by1.00
01:22:55.640religion that's not just something other than Jesus, but something that is anti-Jesus,
01:23:02.940against Jesus, anti-Christ. If you're talking about that nation that's been shaped by that0.97
01:23:08.180religion, and then just because they're human beings that are fallen in Adam, like all of us,
01:23:13.920apart from grace in Christ, and have sin which is common to man, and if you're talking about0.71
01:23:19.420not every, each and every individual Jewish person, he gave that disclaimer and covered
01:23:24.060basis in an earlier clip that we showed, but particularly the elites, those who have means,
01:23:29.680then yes, of course, like, none of this is preposterous, none of this is far-fetched,
01:23:34.600none of this is impossible. Yeah, it's, all of that is perfectly reasonable, and when you frame it
01:23:42.400with that kind of language, not only is it theologically accurate, because you can quote
01:23:47.800scripture, but it also is, I think it's the morally superior way to frame the argument,
01:23:53.560because it's biblically faithful, but it's also the strategically superior way to frame the
01:23:58.860argument. And by framing it like this, that's what will allow you to have these kinds of
01:24:05.200conversations that need to happen, because if there is real evil, it really does need to be
01:24:09.560exposed. We have a biblical mandate to do precisely that, but it'll allow you to have
01:24:14.120those conversations instead of with 14 people, you know, on some secret chat, it'll allow you
01:24:20.360to have that conversation with 14 million people on Joe Rogan. And I think that that matters. I
01:24:27.140don't just think that Ian got the call, and not the shut it down call, but the call from Joe Rogan.
01:24:34.280I don't think he got that call because Joe Rogan is bought and paid for, and Ian is bought and
01:24:39.220paid for, and it's just a classic case of controlled opposition. I think he got the call
01:24:45.000because he has proven a short trajectory.
01:24:49.280He's only been doing this by his own admission for a while,
01:24:51.860but for the time that he has been doing this
01:24:54.080in the spotlight with a fairly large following,
01:24:57.800he has been doing it in a way that is not unhinged.
01:31:35.420And it seemed like the subject matter that they were talking about was much worse than simply dinner parties that had nothing else going on.
01:31:43.720And these are things, too, we never got answers for.
01:31:46.160Why are you ordering $65,000 worth of hot dogs?
01:31:49.500And why is this art and this entertainment?
01:31:53.720This was John Podesta was his key emails that were leaked.
01:31:56.640i remember back in the day 2021 uh wayfarer had listed for like ten thousand dollars yep hundreds
01:32:01.920and hundreds of filing cabinets that had names of children that had gone missing we never got
01:32:07.420an answer for sale they were for sale right so they had listed on the website they were for
01:32:10.320tens of thousands tens of thousands of dollars yeah these just cabinets and they would have names
01:32:14.600like gracie and rodney like and people were going like wait there's kids that have been missing for
01:32:19.880a couple years yeah we never happened to get an answer for that one either why why were those
01:32:23.960listed on their wayfair yeah so someday maybe we'll do a full episode on it the last piece we
01:32:28.460wanted to talk about and michael handed over to you was uh how this relates to some modern families
01:32:33.000the netanyahu's adelson's and others uh that are still working and donating today well uh yeah we
01:32:40.620were gonna play a clip here and react to it so you guys are gonna have to help me out recalling
01:32:44.640everything that the clip talked about but we're trying not to play the clip because we just got
01:32:48.800we don't want to get another copyright strike yeah yeah not because we're afraid to mention the
01:32:53.420the topic but just jerry copyright strikes um in the in the episode um ian carroll talks about how
01:33:02.280uh it seems like maybe some of the uh i guess we would say legacy israeli influence and the newer
01:33:11.140israeli influence i don't even know if that's the the right way to frame it but um he talks about
01:33:16.400how trump might be at odds with bb netanyahu and kind of the more old guard push um and obviously
01:33:23.180trump's son-in-law is jerry kushner and then what's the name addelrods is that right the
01:33:28.800addelson family family yeah which just briefly on them they're trying to bring a casino right to
01:33:33.600texas right so they made their money in las vegas through gambling texas has no casinos and they're
01:33:39.160trying to bring one to irving texas and none of the people want it because that's money and then
01:33:43.700they also purchased the dallas maverick so it's going to be kind of like a sports casino megaplex
01:33:48.320or whatever like we're talking about like on the ground like practically speaking right in our
01:33:52.000backyard these families are trying to make money and trying to invest in these things
01:33:56.020and really just overrule the will of the local people yeah yeah you mentioned earlier you
01:34:00.380mentioned earlier in the in the stream west about the fact that when october 7th happened
01:34:05.200it was quickly labeled um a a terrorist attack by hamas on israel which i mean i think is true
01:34:13.760but there was a large growing sentiment in israel against by israelis against netanyahu
01:34:23.640and the establishment or the established government and the i don't know what we want
01:34:31.440to call it i guess the main line israeli way of doing things and leadership has actually been
01:34:37.560facing increased criticism within Israel, and even around the world. And it seems like maybe
01:34:45.520what we're in the middle of with Israel, and I don't know if this is for the good or for the bad,0.93
01:34:49.300I don't know. But it seems like what we're in the middle of is a bit of a change of guard,0.87
01:34:53.800possibly, or the old guard exerting itself and digging in for longer. I don't know that the
01:35:00.680Adelson's or the Kushner wing would be, in some ways, they're more connected with America. So
01:35:06.140from an american point of view um that would probably just ingratiate themselves more with
01:35:11.000our politics um yeah i don't know there's a lot there that that needs to be uncovered still
01:35:16.540yeah we're just in a brave new world yep like what's going to happen in the next few years
01:35:20.740regarding all of these topics and more it's going to be fascinating yeah yeah yeah um joel was there
01:35:27.420anything else you wanted to say that was the one clip that you asked us to make sure we included
01:35:30.660that now we can't include because of the copyright thing the one about bivy yeah
01:35:34.160no okay i don't like him yeah you know but if we were able to play the clip that would trigger my
01:35:43.920memory and i you know have more specific things to say but yeah yeah all right we already got
01:35:48.920one copy strike uh let's go ahead we're gonna hit some super chats then yeah we've got a lot
01:35:52.620of super chats today so let's look at those all right this is acts of boniface he gave us five
01:35:57.100bucks thanks acts of boniface we appreciate it he said revelation 17 16 arc incoming thanks to
01:36:03.580their overstepping in the american empire and i just looked it up when he left the comment that's
01:36:09.740when the beast turns on the harlot so rome symbolically and then jerusalem drunk with the
01:36:14.200blood of the saints the beast turns on her and devours her right she lived off its prosperity
01:36:18.720she wrote it she committed wickedness with it at a certain point the beast says oh i don't i don't
01:36:25.900like you anymore right yeah okay all right jeremy kerns 999 thank you very much jeremy good to see0.59
01:36:31.420you again uh the reformed and even aquinas spoke on how to deal with jews and never giving them0.98
01:36:37.600political power or have equality in society uh he says today we're dealing with the consequences0.98
01:36:43.600of that samuel rutherford said the same thing that this should not be suffered to hold office
01:36:48.540or participate wasn't advocating cruelty but some of them said that yeah yeah that's undeniable that
01:36:53.880And the Reformed, many of the Reformed did hold the position, the lion's share position for the Reformed.
01:37:01.280It's the position that Michael holds and not the position that I hold.
01:37:04.180I recognize that I am departing from the mainline consensus within Reformed tradition on this fact.
01:37:12.360But they did hold that there was not land promises or anything like that, but that there was still a future promise to be fulfilled for Israel according to the flesh, namely a spiritual revival.
01:37:23.880And so they did hold that. And so they thought that the Jews were integral in that regard, not necessarily that they should have had a nation state or anything like that, but that the Jews dispersed between various nations that they eventually would, there would be a revival where they would come to Christ and finally receive the Messiah that they had rejected and that that would kickstart.
01:37:46.460not all the reformers thought this, but especially the Puritans, many of them being post-millennial
01:37:52.620in their eschatology, they believed that that would be a catalyst and kickstart a golden age
01:37:57.740for the church. And so that was their position. So I want to paint that clearly. They believed
01:38:05.220in a future spiritual revival among ethnic Jewish people. So they believed that the ethnic Jewish
01:38:10.640people, number one, that they were preserved, that they continued. And that's something that
01:38:14.740I would have some nuances and disagree with in many ways. But the Reformers and the Puritans,0.55
01:38:20.740I believe that they were preserved and that these ethnic Jewish people would eventually,
01:38:25.280you know, a great many of them would convert to Christ and that that would be a significant
01:38:31.460latter-day revival that would also work as a catalyst and kickstart an even greater revival0.55
01:40:30.180And so in that regard to the Jews' future salvation and their knowledge of the original language, they viewed them charitably and were pretty adamant about no mistreatment or anything like that.
01:40:45.480And yet, simultaneously, without animus, racial animus, they also were just able to say, no, America is for Americans, and it is predominantly an Anglo-Protestant project, Anglo-Protestant project.
01:40:59.860And so the same kind of view that they would have towards Catholics in the early days of America, especially the colonies, you know, before the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, before 1776, but in, you know, the 1600s.0.87
01:41:13.420And they're like, no, Jews cannot hold public office.
01:41:18.740They, yeah, they can live here and they can live here peacefully and all these kinds of things.
01:41:24.620But no, this is a Christian nation and those who reject Christ and hate Christ, they can
01:41:32.920be in the car and we shouldn't mistreat them, but they don't get to drive.0.99
01:41:48.080And so we agree with largely that sentiment with the Reformers, but just fleshing it out and giving a more holistic view that the Reformers, for the most part, believed in a future spiritual revival for the Jewish people.
01:42:04.120And that necessarily assumes that they believe that ethnically the Jewish people were preserved and that they would eventually be saved.
01:42:12.620They also partnered with them in some ways when it came to learning the original texts and the original languages so that they could help translate and also commentate on the Bible, the scripture, and did all that while simultaneously recognizing that the Jews were against Christ and that they were not Christians.
01:42:32.100They were very much anti-Christ and that they had no place in leadership in America and several European nations took the same stance.0.69
01:42:40.980And we think that that is, well, I won't say we, I'll say me. I think that that is perfectly1.00
01:42:48.440permissible. That is not, that does not necessitate hatred. That doesn't mean, oh, so you hate these
01:42:56.840people? No, it is okay. It's okay to have a country. You are allowed, listen to me, Christian,
01:43:05.060you are allowed to have a country you are um it is okay to say no that this is this country this1.00
01:43:13.320nation is for us and our posterity it's not for hindus it's not for muslims and it's not for jews0.96
01:43:20.780um it belongs to uh christians and and it's okay uh to have a country you go to islamic nations
01:43:29.500and they're not going to be putting a bunch of christians in positions of political power
01:43:33.520everybody else is allowed to have an in-group preference. Everybody else is allowed to have
01:43:39.740an in-group preference, except for Christians, and let's be real for a second, white people.0.66
01:43:47.880Because there actually are some Christian nations that are allowed to have an in-group preference,
01:43:52.200but there are Christian nations that, in terms of their race or ethnicity, they're not European.
01:43:59.940They're a Christian nation in South America, or like Uganda.
01:44:05.220Uganda is largely a Christian nation, and they're allowed to have an in-group preference.
01:44:09.160Uganda is for Ugandans, and it's for Christ.0.81