The NXR Podcast - THE LIVESTREAM - Joel Webbon A Nietszchean？ A Response to Rod Dreher

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00:00:30.000 roger abandoned his family abandoned his country moved to hungary he went roman catholic then he

00:00:41.060 went eastern orthodox well he's come out with a new article against christian nationalism which

00:00:46.380 he's done several times at this point but this particular article he addresses me now i just

00:00:51.680 recognized about 40 minutes before we started this live broadcast that i also had the distinct

00:00:57.940 pleasure being retweeted by David French. So Rod Dreher, David French, once again,

00:01:04.820 brothers in arms coming against any Christian who loves the Lord Jesus Christ and would like to see

00:01:10.600 improvement here in these United States of America. What are they so mad about? Well,

00:01:16.580 they're mad that I had the audacity to say in a trailer for a new documentary on Christian

00:01:22.420 nationalism that will be airing soon, that Christians need the will to power. We must

00:01:29.140 have the will to power, that it's not enough for our Christian faith to be personal and private.

00:01:36.080 It must also be powerful, potent, and public, and that at the end of the day, the Lord can save,

00:01:43.420 as we see in 1 Samuel, by many or by few. But in those cases, when history is altered and changed

00:01:51.580 by the few who have the will to power, it is changed because that remnant is not willing

00:01:58.820 to give up. They're significant, they're strategic, and they're willing to actually step into the

00:02:05.700 political arena. They're willing to cross the river. They're willing to take the steps and

00:02:12.620 actions that other people are not willing to take. Power ultimately is a tool. It's amoral,

00:02:20.660 right? To say, well, power is a vice. Well, that's not true. Well, power is a virtue. That's actually

00:02:26.500 also not true. Power is neither a vice nor a virtue. It is a tool that can be used like any

00:02:33.780 tool to do good or to do evil. A hammer can build a home so someone can live. A family can be grown

00:02:41.820 or a hammer can be used as a weapon in order to inflict harm. So too it is with power. Power

00:02:49.720 isn't going away. Nature abhors a vacuum. If Christians will not wield power righteously,

00:02:57.000 then the wicked will wield power in sinister ways. This is obvious. This is a no-duh scenario.

00:03:07.320 And anyone who is ultimately countering this basic principle, you must come to see as an enemy.

00:03:14.040 no enemies on the right i subscribe rod drear is not on the right rod drear wants you to sell

00:03:20.560 everything you have leave your family leave your country and go be a monk in another nation he

00:03:26.800 wrote the benedict option the whole strategy is about abandoning influence abandoning power it's

00:03:33.500 it's basically the steward of gondor yelling when they're under attack abandon your post

00:03:38.820 Give up. We're all going to lose. David French and Rod Dreher are not on your team. They do not

00:03:47.080 care about your wives. They do not care about your children. They do not care about your country,

00:03:51.580 and they ultimately do not care about the crown rights of King Jesus being pressed forward.

00:03:57.420 They are fools, absolute fools, and we will expose them today. Tune in now.

00:04:08.820 so we have some quotes from the latest bullcrap piece from rod drear and we'll start with those

00:04:20.380 and then we could even go a little bit into the clip that's been circulating around that was

00:04:25.340 shared by uh by david french and a host of the you know the usual suspects and others so let's start

00:04:32.540 i think with the quotes from rod drear and then we'll show the clip that has everybody clutching

00:04:37.360 their pearls and then we'll break down with a little bit more thoroughness why everybody is

00:04:42.120 of course wrong yeah roger he's uh he's been on a tear lately he got to the white house we'll talk

00:04:47.800 about what he said there he's been to the white house and he's been busy of course counter

00:04:51.360 signaling faithful pastors faithful men and there's a trailer for a new movie that's coming

00:04:55.400 out in january called what is christian nationalism maybe more documentary than a movie we'll play that

00:05:00.520 trailer but today he decided to take to sub stack and go ahead and and just cook get that typewriter

00:05:05.720 her out and start spitting out some nonsense and so he said this and i'm just going to kind of give

00:05:10.320 the parts joel where you're in there he mentions steven wolf he calls him a kinest slanders him

00:05:14.480 he talks about uh andrew isker he talks about tucker and nick fuentes you can go to his sub

00:05:19.360 stack whatever it is you can read the whole thing or don't that's that's definitely a great option

00:05:23.160 as well don't but here's the parts where he mentioned yours truly and our topic as it relates

00:05:27.300 today so he said in this documentary what is christian nationalism one of the men featured

00:05:32.000 in the documentary is Joel Webin, a hardcore anti-Semitic pastor in Texas. Joel, I have it

00:05:38.800 on good authority. You're anti-Semitic. It's over. We got to pack it up. It depends on whose

00:05:43.780 definition we're using. If we're saying anti-Semitism, according to the ADL, then guilty

00:05:48.480 as charged and quite proud of that fact. But if we're saying Joel actually hates every single

00:05:55.200 Jewish person on the basis of their ethnicity, regardless of anything they've ever done, then no,

00:06:01.340 Absolutely no.

00:06:02.260 But what he's probably referring to, and I think he actually quoted it elsewhere in his article,

00:06:06.460 is where I said, if you're not being called a Nazi today, in the year of our Lord 2025,

00:06:11.540 if you're not being called an anti-Semite today, in the year of our Lord 2025,

00:06:16.920 then you are absolutely passive.

00:06:20.900 You are not warring against the powers of darkness hard enough.

00:06:25.320 If you can somehow find a way as a Christian to escape the gaze and the backlash of the

00:06:34.460 left today, then you're a coward.

00:06:36.720 That's the only way.

00:06:38.280 Remember, Jesus said, the student is not above his teacher, nor the slave above his master.

00:06:45.380 If the world hated me, then they will hate you.

00:06:48.480 And yet Christians, modern evangelical Christians especially, have humored themselves for decades

00:06:54.720 on end and thinking that somehow they could do something that christ himself could not do namely

00:07:01.180 be perfectly obedient to the will of the father representing him in everything and yet also have

00:07:09.300 the admiration of the crowds right jesus was perfectly obedient to god and spoiler alert for

00:07:16.540 those of you who don't know the end of the story he was nailed to a cross someone didn't like him

00:07:22.220 Jesus was faithful and his faithfulness beget enemies. You and I cannot, it is sheer arrogance

00:07:30.240 to think that we could somehow accomplish something that our commander-in-chief was not

00:07:36.420 able to accomplish himself, that we think we could be just as evangelistic, just as faithful,

00:07:42.880 just as obedient, just as much faithful, consistent impact for the glory of God and the kingdom of

00:07:49.220 heaven but we could also somehow escape the hatred the enmity of those who are not obedient to god

00:07:58.380 that is arrogance you're essentially that's what evangelicals christians in america have

00:08:03.820 have begun to think they think we are better than jesus that's really what it boils down to

00:08:08.600 you think you're better than jesus rod drear thinks he's better than jesus david french thinks

00:08:13.200 he's better than jesus russell moore thinks he's better than jesus you are not better than jesus

00:08:19.680 jesus had enemies and he promised that if you looked like jesus you would have enemies too

00:08:26.160 if you don't have enemies today it's because you look nothing like jesus period and and just a

00:08:32.600 quick aside because we read the article so our listeners don't have to uh that though just to

00:08:38.060 exposed the willful ignorance here on behalf of Dreher. So at one point in the article, a little

00:08:43.620 bit later from the quote that we just had up, he's talking about this French project, this French

00:08:49.680 Catholic project, where they're trying to set up a community similar to Ridge Runner in the

00:08:55.040 countryside of France. And the courts have recently struck this down and said, this is not allowed.

00:08:59.580 And Dreher is actually condemning that action on behalf of what the French courts have done.

00:09:04.580 And he says, quote, the secularists can't see the difference between the monosphere, that's what this project is called, and whatever it is, the militant, politically engaged Christian nationalists that are in the U.S. and what they're up to.

00:09:20.300 So basically saying, hey, the enemies, those on the left, they don't see the difference.

00:09:24.500 They don't see the quote-unquote difference between the peaceful Christian community and what Dreher is calling the militants of the world.

00:09:32.040 Yeah, exactly. But that's actually the heart of your point, is the recognition that they won't

00:09:36.960 see the difference. Whether you're sitting peacefully in your cabin in the woods and

00:09:41.440 praying and raising your family in the fear and admonition of the Lord, they'll still call you

00:09:45.960 a Nazi. And that's the point you're making. But they won't call you a Nazi if you're neither

00:09:50.280 of those things. You're neither bold and courageous and significant and pushing for the crown rights

00:09:55.160 of King Jesus, nor are you actually even quiet and raising your children in the fear and admonition

00:10:00.520 of the Lord, but you've actually abandoned cowardice and your children and moved to the

00:10:05.300 other side of the world. Then, and only then, you might actually receive the good graces of God's

00:10:11.080 enemies, and your name, of course, would be Rodri. Well, it's ironic. The cover of his book,

00:10:16.440 The Benedict Option, taken from a single line, not from Aaron McIntyre, but Alasdair McIntyre,

00:10:21.480 about Saint Benedict. The cover of his book is the Mont Saint-Michel out somewhere in Europe,

00:10:26.260 and it's a monastery and his idea was with the book listen what we need to do is we need to

00:10:31.380 disengage we need to go into our exile build our own resilient communities and here he is watching

00:10:36.440 even as they try to do that look we want to go into the countryside we want to raise cows we

00:10:40.740 want to be our own community the government saying no that won't work well my guy you wrote a whole

00:10:45.900 book about how that was our option the benedict option go into the countryside go do that uh how's

00:10:51.480 that working out for you is that is that going well and just for the oh it doesn't seem to be

00:10:55.360 Even historically, it's literally a joke on its face.

00:10:58.480 The Benedict monks were able to live the peaceful lives that they did

00:11:02.900 because there were Christian soldiers and militia

00:11:07.940 that was holding back the hordes of hell

00:11:10.600 to allow them the luxury of that peace.

00:11:14.180 So his whole premise is retarded.

00:11:17.620 It's absolutely retarded.

00:11:19.220 Someone has to seize power, not whether, but which.

00:11:23.260 power is not a vice it's not a virtue it's a tool it will be it will be wielded it will either be

00:11:29.680 wielded righteously or it will be wielded wickedly someone is going to wield power nature abhors a

00:11:36.700 vacuum christians should rise to the task not because their power hungry but because their

00:11:42.420 hunger hunger and thirst as jesus says in matthew 5 is for righteousness and they want to exalt

00:11:49.420 righteousness wield righteousness execute righteousness which requires power just like

00:11:55.680 money money is the root of all kinds of evil no greed is the love of money is the root of all

00:12:02.320 kinds of evil money itself is neither virtuous nor is it a vice it's a tool what solomon he had

00:12:10.000 a lot of money and he used it righteously it was a blessing to the kingdom later on his heart

00:12:16.460 turned from the lord but it wasn't actually according to the bible money that turned his

00:12:21.460 heart but women in his case right foreign women who served and worshipped foreign gods all right

00:12:27.920 we should be able to make it through this quote we got it we got it we're just so one of the men

00:12:32.560 featured in the documentary this is roger a sub stack is joel webbin a hardcore anti-semitic

00:12:37.440 pastor in texas in the trailer he utters a chilling line but the will to power is the only

00:12:43.340 true prerequisite for change. We'll show that in a minute. Webin then praises a unified, deliberate,

00:12:48.780 strategic minority that has the will to power. Continuing on, he goes on to say,

00:12:54.080 if Webin were simply making a historical observation, for example, that Lenin's

00:12:58.300 Bolsheviks in the 1917 revolution in Russia seized power in a divided Russia, though a small cult,

00:13:03.960 because they had strategy and the will to power, that would be one thing. But he is clearly

00:13:08.320 prescribing this as a strategy for Christian nationalists. It is a repulsive, his words,

00:13:14.940 repulsive corruption of the gospel. And Doug Wilson is right to call it out. He's referencing

00:13:20.100 the Antioch Declaration where Doug distanced himself from some Christian nationalists

00:13:23.980 about a year ago today. It is a corruption of the gospel to seek to have the will for a political

00:13:31.740 movement. Let's go ahead and play the trailer so people can see it in context. Hold up. Go back to

00:13:35.740 the um you have it on two slides go back to the first slide i just want to point something out

00:13:39.200 okay a chilling line okay first and foremost that's a gay line to use the line are we in

00:13:45.740 10th grade here if you're seeing a chilling line as a grown man my goodness um that i don't know

00:13:52.900 i don't even know where to begin but he says but the power he's quoting me but the will to power

00:13:57.700 is the only true prerequisite for change in quote correct correct now notice in that line

00:14:05.380 from the trailer that i said uh the trailer for this new documentary on what is christian

00:14:10.540 nationalism um i said it's the only prerequisite for change i did not specify whether or not that

00:14:16.180 change was positive or negative whether it's righteous or evil what i'm saying is that

00:14:21.300 ultimately when change occurs be it for the better or for the worse you can be sure that

00:14:26.280 one thing has happened prior to that change someone somewhere gained power power monetarily

00:14:33.740 through money power politically through position or power um even just through influence but

00:14:40.460 someone acquired some they accrued somehow some degree of power influence wealth politics

00:14:49.500 something along those lines change does not occur by impotence change does not occur by impotence

00:14:58.440 anyone who produces change has somehow they've done something significant because they somehow

00:15:05.660 acquired significance that's an obvious observation so what i'm saying is that christians should want

00:15:14.000 positive change and to change positively or negatively you have to have gravitas weight

00:15:21.680 influence power potence potency to make change positively you must change something at all

00:15:31.320 and to change anything at all power is a prerequisite i i don't see anyone debunking

00:15:38.200 that claim because they can't okay if you want to start getting up early you have to have the

00:15:44.020 will to do it the will power of self-discipline power over your laziness power over your body

00:15:49.500 and that's a good change you have to have the will to get your lazy butt out of bed whether

00:15:54.540 it's to eat better whether it's to exercise whether it's to get up this is just like you're

00:15:58.100 saying a prerequisite catalyst for some type of movement like it's true generally in life but

00:16:03.380 particularly when it comes to politics in the state right if if well one for one your enemies

00:16:09.240 are certainly exercising will to power they're they're certainly trying to your point to gain

00:16:13.560 influence whether it be through finances or politics to influence things in one direction

00:16:18.660 change for the worse um but if you think about it in the sense like you could make an analogy of the

00:16:25.000 home right you're if you want to change the behavior in your home that your children are

00:16:29.600 exercising what you need to exercise some form of power over your children and and much in the same

00:16:35.880 way the state has to has to do that among the body politic and that's i mean it's it's such a

00:16:41.520 self-evident when you think of the reality different you know primary spheres in human

00:16:45.520 society the state has power right political power and in order to exercise that power it's given a

00:16:53.120 tool right or a sign of that power and a tool for executing that power namely the sword so to the

00:17:00.420 state is given a sword power to the family is given a rod which is a form of power to the church is

00:17:08.660 given the keys the keys of the kingdom for binding and for loosing which is power and all three of

00:17:15.200 those spheres, there is power. The church is powerful. And if it's not, then it's not a faithful

00:17:21.600 church. A powerless church is a faithless church. All three of these should be powerful. And here's

00:17:27.280 the thing. The church is not the exclusive Christian sphere in human society. The church

00:17:33.380 must be Christian. But ideally, as the church is faithful, the church, which is made up of

00:17:40.840 christians those christians will be in the church but will also find themselves in the other two

00:17:45.260 spheres as well you will have christians in the church who also fill roles in the civil magistrate

00:17:50.340 the state you have christians in the church who also are building families so the home so you

00:17:55.420 have christian homes a christian state and of course a christian church all wielding their

00:18:01.600 appropriate measures of power that god has assigned to them with the proper tools christians

00:18:06.740 in the home with the rod Christians in the state exercising the sword Christians in the church

00:18:11.980 using the keys and in this way society improves and God is glorified to object to this very very

00:18:21.100 basic principle is I don't think it's merely ignorance I'm just going to say it I really

00:18:28.340 think that it's malice I think the objections that we're seeing from the usual suspects like

00:18:33.820 Rod Rear, like David French, is not because they're so dumb. I actually don't think they're

00:18:40.700 that dumb. I think that they're objecting because they know that if people, if Christians listen

00:18:46.740 to people like me and they begin to implement the things that we're saying, we might actually have

00:18:54.240 righteous Christian nations, which is the exact opposite of what someone like David French and

00:19:01.300 want they're not on the team and i don't mean just they're not on america first team or they're

00:19:06.300 not on christian nationalist team no i mean i don't think they're on team jesus i'm gonna say

00:19:12.260 it i legitimately don't think they're on the christian team i don't know how to argue that

00:19:19.800 they are okay let's play the trailer let's give some context you the listener can decide what you

00:19:24.940 There are millions of people who are lost for eternity because we said,

00:19:32.960 we just don't want to have a Christian culture anymore, we want secularism instead.

00:19:42.080 Americans understood their nation to be a Christian nation.

00:19:46.300 And that is despite the fact that there's no explicit mention of Christ in the Constitution of Preamble.

00:19:51.620 and yeah it was just commonly understood. Freedom of religion is in all intents and purposes a

00:20:00.460 really bad idea. I don't want freedom of religion because I don't think Jesus wants freedom of

00:20:05.520 religion. Wow this hasn't at all been what I expected. We can't sing God bless America

00:20:16.820 and at the same time expect that God won't curse America

00:20:21.680 for the permission of allowing other people to worship gods on our soil

00:20:26.940 in the United States.

00:20:28.940 It's the great evil of our day.

00:20:31.900 And so to stop murdering little babies will have ineffable impact, I think.

00:20:38.260 Conservatives, Christians, we have historically been really good at talking

00:20:41.620 and we have been less good at acting.

00:20:44.480 We've been less good at building political coalition, at supporting Christian candidates and putting them forward.

00:20:51.200 But the will to power is the only true prerequisite for change.

00:20:58.240 All throughout history, change has occurred in biblical times, in church history, gospel age times over the last 2,000 years.

00:21:06.200 We have case after case after case of radical political and cultural change for entire swaths of people, entire nations.

00:21:14.480 That occurred with a remnant, a small, but unified, deliberate, strategic minority that had the will to power.

00:21:38.360 So true.

00:21:39.860 So true.

00:21:40.420 So simple.

00:21:41.640 Based?

00:21:41.980 So true.

00:21:43.840 Yeah.

00:21:44.480 all right well here's here's let's get a little bit into the ironing which is a euphemism for

00:21:50.680 the word that i really want to use which is hypocrisy the hypocrisy of rod drear because

00:21:56.560 the man is perfectly comfortable and he's perfectly knowledgeable with the concept of

00:22:02.520 power wes could you share a little story about rod drear using power i had the unfortunate

00:22:07.660 experience last week of reading another substack from rod so this article we're talking about

00:22:12.080 with Joel. It came out today on the 17th, November 17th. Last week, like I said, Rod was at the

00:22:17.220 White House. The PM of Hungary, Viktor Orban, had a visit, and Rod Dreher some way or another,

00:22:23.020 it's not great, he got a chance to go as well, and they visited with Vice President J.D. Vance.

00:22:27.720 And so he wrote publicly, public common knowledge, he said, I got to have a few minutes with the

00:22:32.380 Vice President before the PM and his other allies arrived. And he said he did this, and this is

00:22:37.400 interesting, because this is the guy who says, hey, the will to power, this is not a good thing,

00:22:41.400 We don't want a small unified minority.

00:22:43.860 He said this.

00:22:44.980 I was able to have a few minutes with the vice president before the prime minister and his team arrived.

00:22:49.060 I shared with him my views about the threat that Nick Fuentes and Groeper is imposed to the country, to the GOP, and to him personally.

00:22:57.240 He listened to what I had to say about it.

00:23:00.540 This is interesting.

00:23:01.480 He has three minutes with the second in command to the most powerful man in the world, the president of the United States.

00:23:06.640 and he spent that time attempting to get that man to devote his attention to what he's viewed as a

00:23:15.020 threat to him probably to roger's project and to america and the republican party to devote his

00:23:20.920 attention and let's be more specific to devote his attention and to penalize to punish to diminish

00:23:27.580 to use whether it be formal or informal his influence or even to kind of spur on behind

00:23:35.140 the scene certain legislation to do something be it formally or informally as the second most

00:23:40.700 powerful man in the country namely jd vance using his power roger sought to get jd vance to wield

00:23:47.600 his power to suppress one of a young man who roger perceives to be an enemy less than a week

00:23:55.380 ago this is not three years ago i dug through the archives and i found one example a week ago he was

00:24:01.860 in the white house lobbying banging down the door please take this threat seriously please take this

00:24:07.040 seriously they are a threat to your reputation they're a threat to the gop what he's really

00:24:10.920 he would use political power crush them please crush them please use your power and crush them

00:24:16.220 that's what he's doing and and that's what weak men always do i would never oh power power oh

00:24:22.440 that's so icky and then they themselves will turn around yep and use the very tool that they

00:24:27.500 pretended not to use it's kind of like they cry out as they strike you yeah you're like hitting

00:24:31.340 someone, oh, stop hitting me. Oh, stop hitting me. Wait, you're the one doing the hitting. You're

00:24:35.460 the one decrying the effort being taken. You're decrying these measures, but you yourself are

00:24:39.600 perfectly willing to use them. That is the state of nature. When an old lion in the pride, when he

00:24:44.580 dies, the young lions don't show him mercy. He doesn't get to go to a nursing home. He doesn't

00:24:48.920 get to go off in the safari. They tear him limb from limb. The base case of nature is that the

00:24:54.780 strong will rule over the weak. That is how nature is. You talked about a vacuum earlier.

00:25:00.200 that is the default state of things. Now in Christianity, what God actually does, especially

00:25:04.620 Christ, he says, I am stronger than you, but I'm willing to call you my friends. But he doesn't sit

00:25:09.880 there and simply abhor power. He doesn't say, we could have used a sword. Do you know what? I'm

00:25:14.720 going to go ahead and come back with an olive branch. He comes back, he vanquishes his enemies,

00:25:18.480 he uses power, and then graciously condescends as a friend to the rest. Go ahead.

00:25:24.680 Oh, and I was just going to say, in that way, it's like really just game theory. It's like

00:25:28.200 they're his version of seizing power using power is to say that power is bad right why because the

00:25:35.520 people trying to gain the power take it from him right so it really is just a grand irony uh that

00:25:41.440 example um but uh but yeah that's that's what we're up against yep that's what we're up against

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00:31:13.080 Well, that's not the only clip from that documentary, What is Christian Nationalism,

00:31:17.100 where you are going viral. I forget, there's probably what, five, ten guys in there, and it's

00:31:21.080 like here's what joel said here's what joel said out of it so there's another clip of it that is

00:31:25.040 right now you're the worst pirate i've ever heard of but you have heard of me um and it's cool

00:31:30.820 because not cool but they're both related to the same topic so we're gonna go ahead and play this

00:31:35.600 clip here and then we'll connect the two concepts they're getting at the same thing the same flaw

00:31:40.160 with so many modern christians so let's go ahead and roll this short clip what do you see as the

00:31:44.060 greatest threat to christian nationalism as it's as it's trying to make its roots christians

00:31:51.600 how so christians are gay fake and gay uh to be more precise uh christianity is a feminized

00:32:02.500 religion so true so if you didn't make that out the question that was posed to me was what do you

00:32:10.500 think is the greatest hindrance to christian nationalism actually playing out to which my

00:32:15.400 answer was christians christians at least christians in name right professing christians

00:32:22.760 whether or not all of them are regenerate i don't know let god be the judge i i have a sneaking

00:32:27.580 suspicion that a fair amount of them would be christians in name only but nonetheless in terms

00:32:32.980 of their public profession many of the most obstinate opponents of christian nationalism

00:32:39.460 they bear the name of christ at least in terms of a profession and then i go a little bit further

00:32:45.660 and say that these christians are gay or to be more precise fake and gay well what did i mean

00:32:52.540 by that what wes i mean that's just strictly you know exaggeration and hyperbole like you're just

00:32:57.700 trying to get a rise out of people how how could you call christians fake and gay can you think

00:33:03.040 of any fake and gay christians hmm roger roger um that's that's the irony in all of this it's like

00:33:14.440 well you you know he said this thing about willing to uh to power and that's a chilling line which

00:33:19.480 again no grown man should ever say chilling line okay um which again just affirms my statement

00:33:26.660 of fake and gay but he says that's a chilling line but then you know later on he says and look

00:33:31.660 at this other part of the trailer where he calls christians fake and gay and that's how you know

00:33:35.800 that he's not serious that he's just a joke and blah blah blah blah well you know what people

00:33:40.440 might have taken away that conclusion for themselves right if you just left it alone

00:33:45.240 it's actually possible that some people would watch the trailer and thought on their own terms

00:33:50.760 you know what i think he's a little bit over the top you know what he actually might have had a

00:33:55.360 decent point about power and the will to power but then he says this christians are fake and gay thing

00:34:00.440 and now I know that he's LARPing.

00:34:02.140 Now I know that he's not serious

00:34:03.560 until Rod Dreher wrote an article about it

00:34:08.220 and presented himself as precisely fake and gay

00:34:13.100 and all of a sudden made Joel Webman

00:34:15.360 sound quite reasonable

00:34:17.020 and did not just put it all on Rod Dreher.

00:34:19.740 There were a couple others

00:34:20.780 who were involved in this as well.

00:34:22.100 Neil Chienfi, he took that portion

00:34:24.020 and shared it and said,

00:34:25.980 look at this, isn't it ridiculous?

00:34:27.800 You know, I don't know if it's a real documentary

00:34:29.860 or if it's just satire um neil shinvi has been going to a woke church with one of the leading

00:34:36.200 woke pastors who was president of the sbc behind the scenes pulling strings to hire woke professors

00:34:43.360 to turn the seminaries in the sbc woke meanwhile he as a member of that church defending his woke

00:34:50.140 pastor who was ruining the sbc was writing books against critical race theory what do you call

00:34:57.880 that when when you're you're calling out wokeness in a book that you authored while supporting one

00:35:03.680 of the lead woke engineers in the largest protestant denomination in the united states of

00:35:09.240 america well you would call that hypocritical right you would call it fake right so like these

00:35:16.720 i i wish that i wasn't right i wish it was hyperbole but it's not to say that the the main

00:35:24.180 inhibition, the main hindrance to Christian nationalism is those who profess to be Christians

00:35:30.900 themselves, who in actuality are fake, aka hypocritical, ironic, deceitful, duplicitous,

00:35:40.240 and gay, aka soft, effeminate. That is an accurate description. And to say it the way that I said it

00:35:49.400 is to ensure that for those whom the label fits that it will hit them square between the eyes

00:35:56.860 and that they won't miss um the label that i'm giving them you tossed the missile right in the

00:36:03.220 center of dogs and a bunch of them yelped out oh yes you guys seem to be case in point i it's

00:36:08.300 crazy to think what have uh david french roger neil shenvy their brand of conservatism what

00:36:14.920 what victories have they won literally when you think about it so like okay they do can they serve

00:36:19.720 victories so they form the victories of the left so they form churches right and movements and

00:36:24.940 equip saints with books and materials and if hmm wait no that doesn't seem to be the case at all

00:36:30.700 they've preserved nothing they've led no political movements not they most certainly don't have the

00:36:34.900 hearts of young men so they're over there literally completely ineffective doing nothing just to put

00:36:40.820 in perspective when we we're talking about david french you're talking about a man who um i believe

00:36:48.360 it was uh ray ortland who's a pastor with russell moore being on staff at that same local church

00:36:55.260 who tweeted out in the 24 uh 2024 presidential election he tweeted out never trump this time

00:37:04.240 kamala always jesus i'll say it once more ray ortland a pastor he tweeted out in the 2024

00:37:10.500 election never trump this time kamala always jesus david french immediately in the comments

00:37:18.300 and said this is the way this is the way um that's fake and gay well at least she won with

00:37:27.100 his endorsement oh wait she didn't it's amazing how these people bet on the wrong horse every

00:37:32.540 single time but here's my thing it's it's it's not that it's not just that like man they're so

00:37:37.040 they're so dumb that they that a broken clock you know is at least right twice you know twice a day

00:37:42.820 and that's two times more than you know russell moore and david french it's not just like they're

00:37:46.540 dumb or they're ignorant or man they just always miss it here's my point you cannot have a a you

00:37:53.480 can't be batting a thousand percent in misses without intent right it's intentional so it's

00:38:00.800 not just like wow they just randomly end up being on the opposite side they're just they're so

00:38:06.980 ignorant that they randomly get it precisely wrong on every major issue of of every time period

00:38:14.300 no nobody's that dumb that's malice they're actually on the other team they're actually

00:38:21.440 at war with christians they actually want to ensure that america stays liberal it stays progressive

00:38:28.380 It stays wicked. That is the goal, right? The purpose of a system is what it does.

00:38:35.080 Well, also the purpose of a man is what he does. And what David French does, what Rod Rear does,

00:38:42.260 what all these guys do is inhibit, hinder, distract, and put wigs on any Christian man,

00:38:53.200 woman, or child who wants to make a positive difference. That's what they do.

00:38:58.380 Yeah, in a lot of ways, it's like, you know, guys like David French and Dreher, they talk a lot about post-liberalism. But what they stand for is literally just post-liberalism liberalism. It's a repackaged version of it. And I don't think you can divorce it from this sort of pietistic third-wayism, going back to the point about why are they always wrong.

00:39:19.580 Well, I think these, they just dispositionally, temperamentally, they always want to be, it's like, I want to be the anchor.

00:39:27.940 I want to be the people who, I'm always in the middle trying to pull two sides together.

00:39:32.900 No one understands.

00:39:33.980 They're just talking past each other.

00:39:35.380 And I have the true revelation, which is this, which is this impotence.

00:39:40.420 And that's really what it is.

00:39:41.760 It's articulated as impotence.

00:39:43.820 Everyone's missing it.

00:39:44.640 everyone on the left and the right who actually want to change something and do something

00:39:49.280 constructive, they're all missing the point. The secret kids is to do nothing.

00:39:55.560 Right. The secret kids is to dox a Christian school teacher and make sure he doesn't have

00:39:59.900 a job. Oh, that's what Rod Rear did back in 2023. Yeah, exactly. We promised in the title

00:40:05.680 we'd get a little bit to the Nietzsche criticism because that's what Rod Rear kind of tied it to.

00:40:09.300 The will to power comes from a famous phrase of the noted atheist Friedrich Nietzsche.

00:40:14.580 Now, there's two components to this.

00:40:16.200 So, first of all, you can say this.

00:40:18.180 In some ways, Nietzsche's critique then at the time was mostly of German Lutheran pietism.

00:40:25.500 And he had very strong critiques of Christianity, of course, that went too far.

00:40:29.160 He was not a Christian.

00:40:30.260 He was not a follower of Christ.

00:40:32.280 But there are some ways.

00:40:33.420 Nietzsche himself was very physically weak.

00:40:35.140 And so he recognized his own weakness, and you could tell he wanted to be the great man.

00:40:40.700 There's this famous photo of this woman he was infatuated with, but he didn't have the

00:40:44.280 courage to propose to her, and another man that was the one that actually ended up marrying

00:40:48.400 her, and they're both in the front pulling a cart, and she's pretending to whip them.

00:40:54.500 Nietzsche was kind of a simp.

00:40:56.780 He was weak, but he recognized he was undeniably brilliant.

00:41:01.680 He recognized that he wanted to be strong.

00:41:04.360 And so he thought of the will to power and some of his critique of Christianity and recognizing

00:41:08.840 the need to have strength and discipline and will, he had some criticisms of Christianity

00:41:14.360 that I think were true in the time of Lutheran pietism.

00:41:19.340 On the second portion, though, so it's partially correct, there is some valid criticism of

00:41:25.060 Christians that would roll over as their country is invaded, of men that would, I don't know,

00:41:29.560 not use a gun to defend their family if it came down to it.

00:41:32.640 certainly that hasn't happened in our day. We've never had pastors advocating for that,

00:41:36.960 the weight we have. So that criticism valid as it may be. Then when you go farther, well,

00:41:42.120 the new man, he says, I think it's in Thus Spake Gerathustra, he must baptize himself. Well, no,

00:41:46.780 we're not going to go that far. But I do think even in Paul, you do see some of, hey, you need

00:41:51.720 to have striving. First Corinthians 6, 9, 24 through 27. Do you not know that in a race,

00:41:58.220 all the runners run, but only one receives the prize. So run that you may obtain it. Every

00:42:04.080 athlete exercises self-control in all things. So I do not run aimlessly. I do not box as one

00:42:09.120 beating the air, but I discipline my body and keep it under control. Again and again, Paul

00:42:13.460 compares a Christian life to a race, to a war, put on the full armor of God. So insofar as his

00:42:19.180 criticism of Christianity is correct, we can say, yeah, don't be a weak, effeminate man. The

00:42:25.060 effeminate will not inherit the kingdom of heaven and insofar as it's christian will to power if

00:42:31.560 that just simply means strive aim fight win well that's perfectly biblical so just saying here's

00:42:38.560 three words will to power and that comes from nietzsche and nietzsche said this about jesus and

00:42:43.820 therefore your movement is debunked that is not at all a valid argument it's just scare quotes just

00:42:49.740 like hardcore anti-Semitic. Right. I bet Nietzsche drank water too. Oh my. And this is actually just

00:42:56.860 zooming out a little bit. This is something a lot of people don't really understand about

00:43:01.640 philosophy in the way that it's sort of, you know, compositional. Like you can have philosophers

00:43:08.080 in history, whether they're enlightenment philosophers or whatever, that you disagree

00:43:12.100 with on some points. But the reality is, is that philosophy is building. It's trying to explore and

00:43:17.600 find unanswered questions, so on and so forth. So you have Nietzsche, who lays the groundwork for

00:43:22.320 Christian existentialism, because he's raising questions. It's like, well, what's the answer?

00:43:27.480 Here, I'm going to pose a question. I think I have a solution, and I might be wrong on it,

00:43:31.740 but that's the endeavor. And so even when it goes to Nietzsche, and you talk about the will to power,

00:43:35.960 there are some elements of the way he articulated the will to power that we would disagree with

00:43:40.600 as Christians. We would say, not all relationships are inherently power-seeking, right? There are

00:43:46.320 relationships with my wife. There are relationships with my children that aren't inherently about

00:43:50.740 power. And that's where we would disagree with Nietzsche. But to say that nothing is about power

00:43:55.420 and particularly politics and affairs of the state, uh, it's, it's ludicrous.

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00:48:05.640 He said, James White also subtweeted Joel today in reply to Nick Fuentes saying,

00:48:11.840 it would be better if not everyone could read scripture.

00:48:15.720 The Reformation was bad.

00:48:17.320 I did see that clip.

00:48:18.740 I saw it circulating.

00:48:20.380 I didn't actually stop and watch it.

00:48:21.940 but apparently in one of nick's super chats at the end of his show um somehow the topic was broached

00:48:28.960 of you know some protestant was basically saying well you know you may be catholic and you don't

00:48:34.500 like protestants but protestants are the reason that we have the bible fact check true um at least

00:48:40.020 you know the bible as we know it today that could actually be in your home in a language that you

00:48:44.540 can read and understand um i think of william tyndale i think of martin luther right he

00:48:49.280 translated the Bible from the Vulgate, which was the Latin version of the Bible. The Bible was

00:48:54.560 exclusively at that time in the Latin version. And not only was it in Latin, which the people

00:48:59.520 could not understand when it was spoken or read, but even in the Latin, there were certain portions

00:49:05.180 that were changed from the original manuscripts, like repentance being changed to do penance in

00:49:14.540 certain places in the various texts so martin luther went back to the original manuscripts

00:49:18.920 and he was able to translate the bible into the vulgar not vulgate but the vulgar vernacular

00:49:25.580 meaning the common tongue in his case being the german and so apparently from what i saw online

00:49:31.400 nick was responding to that and saying well maybe that would have been for the best he said something

00:49:35.320 to the effect of you wouldn't have i watched the clip it was about 40 seconds you wouldn't have a

00:49:38.760 transgender pastors for instance correct yep so i get what he's getting at do we agree no

00:49:44.180 right we don't agree with that we're protestant he's catholic we're going to have some disagreements

00:49:48.060 but in terms of what he's saying is he's saying yeah there has been incalculable damage that has

00:49:55.940 been done inflicted by everybody exalting themselves right they you know protestants

00:50:01.040 don't really like the idea of a pope and rightfully so i don't like it either the vicar

00:50:05.760 of christ on earth not a big fan but effectively what many of us do with sola scriptura now i don't

00:50:13.580 think this is how sola scriptura should be interpreted or applied but many of us exalt

00:50:18.000 ourselves to all of a sudden instead of one pope you have millions of popes everybody is their own

00:50:22.800 little pope because you say well um you know the only infallible interpreter of scripture is

00:50:27.960 scripture itself or scripture is not the only authority but it's the highest authority and

00:50:32.460 it's the only infallible authority well i agree with both of those statements um but then the

00:50:37.580 question is not about the scripture and its infallibility and its authority the question is

00:50:42.620 who becomes the final arbiter for determining what in fact the scripture is saying and when

00:50:48.420 you break it down at the functional level for many protestants i don't think it has to be this way

00:50:53.320 and i don't think it's universal but for many protestants effectively what that boils down to

00:50:59.040 is that although they would not say it out loud they want to verbally you know affirm this

00:51:04.520 effectively each individual protestant many of them they become the final arbiter of the bible's

00:51:11.800 meaning. And the reality is that you go from a select few who are supposed to be thoroughly

00:51:20.220 trained and equipped for interpreting Scripture, understanding Scripture, hermeneutics, all these

00:51:25.200 different kinds of things, to a bunch of individuals, many of them who are immature or

00:51:31.000 who are particularly unintelligent, and now they're posing as a final arbiter on the meaning

00:51:37.080 interpretation of god's word and you get female lady pastors you get rainbow flags outside of

00:51:42.720 church buildings you get all kinds of of garbage um that's true the only thing that i would say

00:51:48.880 is that you know where i would disagree with nick is nick's objection in a nutshell that he had on

00:51:55.320 that one clip is pretty much the objection that the council of trent had with luther they said

00:52:00.580 if you do this, the this being, you know, translating the Vulgate, the Latin scripture

00:52:06.520 into the vulgar common tongue, if you do this, you will open up a floodgate of iniquity, right?

00:52:13.240 You're going to open up the door for 3,000 different denominations, you know, and all

00:52:19.400 these different, you know, theological arguments and all these different, you know, varieties of

00:52:25.160 Christian sects and denominations and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And Luther didn't actually,

00:52:30.640 his retort was not, uh, you know, or that won't happen or you're being hyper hyperbolic.

00:52:37.180 That's not how he responded. His response was, um, so be it. In other words, I think Luther,

00:52:44.480 he knew that they were right. He knew that by translating the Bible in such a way that,

00:52:50.060 that the average Christian has a Bible that is accessible, that they can read and to varying

00:52:56.120 degrees understand, Luther knew that there would be a liability attached to this. He knew that it

00:53:03.080 would not be an exclusive good, but he also believed that it would be good and that the good

00:53:09.900 would outweigh the harm. And so his response was, so be it. And the analogy or illustration that

00:53:16.780 i've used is something like this um better to have one needle or let's say even a few needles

00:53:24.780 in a haystack right a bunch of disordered messy hay in a pile but there's a few needles and let's

00:53:31.260 say the needle the needles in this you know illustration represent truth truths so there

00:53:36.780 are needles of truth in a haystack of falsehoods better to have a messy pile of hay with some

00:53:44.440 needles of truth within it that can be found difficult to find albeit but can be found than a

00:53:51.380 nice orderly sheath of hay with no needle at all right there's no needle to be found and i think

00:53:59.200 you have to recognize not just the problems of catholicism and there are problems that persist

00:54:04.400 even in our day but the exceptional and particular problems that existed at the day of luther and

00:54:11.720 many catholics notable catholics that love the catholic church themselves even are willing to

00:54:17.200 admit yeah in the 1500s it was pretty rough i mean you have tetzel a known roman you know catholic

00:54:24.840 priest going around saying every time a coin and the coffer clings a soul from purgatory springs

00:54:32.220 and you have peasants the poorest of the poor and tiny little villages that can barely afford to eat

00:54:38.140 giving the the last of of their their money in order for their you know their great aunt who

00:54:45.500 died you know three years earlier who they're convinced is in purgatory suffering not not

00:54:50.340 just like a waiting room that's that's you know positive or even neutral but but that they're

00:54:55.700 actually in agony and suffering and these were the kinds of of emotional rhetoric that was used

00:55:01.240 by tetzel and catholic priest at that time saying can you hear their screams can you hear them you

00:55:06.740 know they're they're murmurings they're in agony crying out to you um do you really need to feed

00:55:12.340 your children tonight or can't you let me out of this torment that that's just one piece of what

00:55:17.660 was going on in the catholic church at the time and so luther's looking that and saying okay the

00:55:22.560 catholic church it's it's ordered it's it's all nice and trim and neat right there's hierarchy

00:55:28.120 there's a system there's all these things but they're they're corrupt they're absolutely corrupt

00:55:33.000 And so I would rather have the battle royale where at least truth is possible.

00:55:41.420 At least it's possible.

00:55:42.460 There will be messiness, there will be confusion, but at least like a messy haystack, needles

00:55:47.540 of truth can actually be found than the nice orderly sheath of hay where there's no needle

00:55:53.240 at all.

00:55:54.240 So all that being said, back to the question as it pertains to Nick.

00:55:57.880 Nick is responding, really, to be fair, he's responding as a Catholic would.

00:56:03.000 He is responding, I think, consistently with his particular religion, his particular expression

00:56:09.080 of Christianity. And I think, to put it more particularly, he's responding as Catholics did

00:56:16.720 in the Council of Trent. If you do this, translate the Bible so that everyone has one,

00:56:22.040 you will open up a floodgate of iniquity. And I think Nick is simply observing 500 years later

00:56:27.320 that if the verdict was still out, well, I think we can say that by this point, half a millennia

00:56:31.480 later it has in fact come back in and the reality is i think there's a there's there's truth on both

00:56:38.080 sides in the sense that the council of trent was right that by what luther did and tyndale and

00:56:44.160 others after him translating the scripture to the common tongue where people could have a bible on

00:56:49.360 their shelf read and understand that they did in fact open a floodgate of iniquity but they didn't

00:56:56.080 only, and this is where we would disagree, respectfully disagree with Nick Fuentes and of

00:57:01.420 course with the Council of Trent and with many other Catholics for that matter, we'd say it did

00:57:06.000 open up messiness. It did open up a floodgate of iniquity, but it also opened up the opportunity

00:57:12.900 for truth to be ascertained by the average man who loved the Lord behind the plow and not just

00:57:18.920 the elite few behind the pulpit. And we think that is with all the messiness and disorder and

00:57:25.440 confusion that has come including rainbow flags and lady pastors it is worth it for those churches

00:57:32.280 be they many or be they few those churches which stand upon the word of god that ex exegete the

00:57:39.460 scripture lord's day after lord's day after lord's day the right preaching of the word and the right

00:57:44.300 administration of the sacraments that is um an incalculable positive net good and it's worth it

00:57:53.980 And so that would be my response.

00:57:55.880 So no, I didn't see the clip, but I saw that it was going around.

00:57:58.060 Wesley, it seems, he watched the clip, and I think that would be our response.

00:58:02.100 We would say, Nick's right.

00:58:04.160 It has caused problems.

00:58:05.660 And Nick is really just quoting the Catholic consensus at the time, that it would cause

00:58:09.160 problems, it did cause problems, but it also caused good.

00:58:12.760 And I believe that that good outweighs the bad, which is one of many reasons why I am

00:58:18.160 a Protestant.

00:58:19.080 And so, of course, with me being a Protestant and Nick being a Catholic, shocker, we disagree on this point.

00:58:25.780 Yeah, I think that's a much stronger way to argue, like acknowledge the merit the point has.

00:58:29.960 But it also seems to be, you've got to recognize every institution has been decentralized and leveled in that time.

00:58:36.400 The monarchies of Europe no longer have the strength that they did.

00:58:39.460 You were not going to if the Reformation hadn't happened or Luther had died early on.

00:58:43.620 You would not have kept the Bible locked away in a vault.

00:58:45.780 and here still 500 years later nobody would be able to access it on their phones technology one

00:58:50.920 way or another was going to open up the bible to the masses there was no stopping that as if the

00:58:55.700 reformation while we had stopped it this would have never happened right no it would have in

00:58:59.080 some other way and so now we need to live in a world where people all have access to it but

00:59:03.820 recognize hey here's the authorities our creeds our confessions and you don't get to deviate from

00:59:08.660 them you don't get to as a 28 year old woman well actually i think what the bible says i read the

00:59:13.000 bible and i think it exists no one cares nope no one cares what you think um no you're absolutely

00:59:18.740 right we needed the bible and it was inevitable right it's like thanos like the bible being in

00:59:24.740 our homes and accessible and we're able to read it in our language it was inevitable because the

00:59:30.340 point that you just raised in terms of technological innovation is is absolutely undeniable here's the

00:59:35.860 deal it wasn't just luther it's not like there was just theological reformation happening in the 1500s

00:59:40.520 and that's why the Bible was translated.

00:59:42.400 It was theological reformation in the province of God

00:59:44.800 teamed up at the very same time

00:59:46.720 with technological innovation.

00:59:48.860 Theological reformation, technological innovation,

00:59:51.280 and it was both of these things,

00:59:52.960 not either or, but both of these things,

00:59:55.220 and only because both were happening simultaneously

00:59:58.040 that the Bible was, in fact,

00:59:59.880 translated into the common tongue.

01:00:02.360 And the reality is that was going to happen

01:00:04.420 one way or another.

01:00:06.440 So what do we do from here?

01:00:08.160 Well, I think what we do from here

01:00:09.420 is we try to keep the baby but get rid of the bath water and some of the bath water of protestants

01:00:14.880 to point the finger at ourselves how can we repent how can we grow one of the one of the

01:00:19.560 bath waters of of protestant the dirty bath water that needs to be thrown out the baby i think is

01:00:25.180 the scripture let's keep that let's let's continue where the average person can read the bible i

01:00:30.580 think that's a net positive good and you're not going to convince me otherwise but the bath water

01:00:35.280 i would say is protestants didn't just throw out the idea that only the elite few the clergy would

01:00:40.720 have access to the word of god they also threw out right if you want to throw out that principle

01:00:45.160 that only the clergy could have the bible i want to throw out that principle too protestants threw

01:00:50.680 out though a lot more than just that they threw out the clergy themselves they threw out hierarchy

01:00:55.460 they threw out uh human authority they threw out order they threw out um they they threw out

01:01:00.720 systems they threw out they threw it all out so they didn't just throw out the idea that only the

01:01:06.240 elite clergy could have access to the scripture right i'll throw out that bath of water any day

01:01:11.560 of the week but they also threw out the idea of there being authoritative clergy at all and in

01:01:17.640 many protestant churches right we just have to admit call a spade a spade in many protestant

01:01:22.580 churches the average attitude of the person who sits on the pew is there's no difference between

01:01:28.060 you know brother bob and me if in fact especially in in baptist protestant churches they won't even

01:01:34.220 call the minister pastor or minister they'll call him brother and you know why that sounds

01:01:40.820 spiritual but it's more than just using spiritual language it's true that every christian whether he

01:01:45.720 be clergy or layman is my brother or sister in christ but that's not why they do it they say

01:01:51.620 brother in order to imply you're no different than me and more importantly you're no higher

01:01:57.940 than me there is no you are a peer right so whereas the catholic would say father right

01:02:04.360 well the baptist would say brother and what the baptist means by that is there is no sovereign

01:02:10.580 here there is no authority here there is no and i would i would say that that has been a net

01:02:16.660 negative. So Protestants have their problems. Do we disagree with Catholics? Absolutely. Of course.

01:02:23.120 Shocker. I disagree with Nick Fuentes and the fact that he's a Catholic and I'm a Protestant.

01:02:27.940 Wow. Shocker. But what I'm willing to do that many Protestants sadly are not, is I'm also

01:02:33.480 willing to sit here and think about it from as though, you know, I was in the other person's

01:02:39.220 shoes and say, is there any credibility to this? Instead of just, Nick said we shouldn't have the

01:02:44.340 Bible. Oh my goodness. Oh my goodness. That's crazy. Wait, but what does he mean by that?

01:02:51.600 What is under that? Is there any truth? Is there any substance? I see what he's getting at. Would

01:02:59.040 I say it that way? Would I come to the same conclusion? No. But there actually is a peril

01:03:06.280 here. There actually is a problem here. And I don't think it's interpreting the Bible,

01:03:12.640 but I think there's something else along the way that really did get knocked loose that really has

01:03:18.240 caused some problems and I'm willing to admit it all right we should go to the next one Antonio

01:03:23.700 you want to take it yeah just another super chat from this dude's rock dude rocks he sent five

01:03:28.400 dollars just to add to it I think specifically what uh James White said was what an absolute

01:03:33.980 savant obviously being facetious here his insights into politics today must be so solid and based

01:03:40.080 given this deep insight into the past yes is james white being sarcastic there that seems out of

01:03:45.240 character so this is because months ago i said very explicitly i said nick's uh i believe nick

01:03:52.640 fuentes is a political savant that in the realm of politics i believe that he's a savant i stand by

01:03:59.720 it uh so he's being sarcastic and saying his insights into politics today must be so solid

01:04:05.920 correct his insights into politics today um many of them i can't say every single one of them i

01:04:14.740 won't say that about anyone but many of his core insights into the political arena today i believe

01:04:21.720 are absolutely correct so of course james white means this as sarcasm and mockery which just let's

01:04:28.400 be clear here and being consistent james white is perfectly fine with mocking he's perfectly fine

01:04:35.280 with publicly mocking a minister of the gospel on social media.

01:04:40.800 That's what he's doing towards me.

01:04:42.500 And so because he's an older man, I'm going to do my best not to mock him.

01:04:48.260 Rebuke an older man gently is what the scripture says.

01:04:51.760 And I would say, Pastor James White or Dr. James White,

01:04:55.840 whichever title you prefer, I simply believe that you're wrong.

01:04:59.880 I know you think I'm silly.

01:05:01.100 I know you think I'm stupid.

01:05:02.180 um i am grateful for much of your work and your contribution to the body of christ

01:05:08.940 um i still have some measure of um respect towards you because of your office and your

01:05:15.600 position and the things that the lord has used you in um over the years and i'm grateful for

01:05:21.220 those things but i think that you're wrong i i think that nicholas j fuentes in the political

01:05:28.600 arena has many good insights and as an older man who I think respectfully in many ways you are out

01:05:35.980 of touch it would do you good not to necessarily get your theology from Nick I'm not saying that

01:05:43.380 but for you to listen to some of his political insights and even if you disagree to at least

01:05:49.080 seriously give them consideration so yes I said Nick is a political savant stand by the statement

01:05:56.380 and the fact that you want to just sarcastically mock me

01:06:00.860 is your prerogative,

01:06:02.680 but I don't think it's befitting of a minister to do so.

01:06:06.640 That's my response.

01:06:08.640 Okay, next.

01:06:10.180 J.D. Peabody, just dropping another five,

01:06:13.740 another coin in the coffer.

01:06:14.880 Thank you very much for your continued contributions.

01:06:18.160 Luke, 2133, sent $50.

01:06:21.600 Wow, thank you, Luke.

01:06:22.540 Very kind, very generous, Luke.

01:06:24.060 Thank you so much.

01:06:24.720 He said this,

01:06:25.680 i encourage all midwesterners to check out or join save heritage indiana they are solid christian

01:06:32.080 men involved in practical political action to stop all immigration your content has been of

01:06:37.200 great assistance to me as a newlywed in my early 20s christ is king i'm sure there he meant all

01:06:43.160 illegal immigration it's like it's like the ron swanson thing like hey uh bring me all the eggs

01:06:49.480 and bacon you have okay wait wait wait wait before you go i i'm concerned that what you heard me say

01:06:54.840 was bring me a lot of eggs and bacon but what i said was bring me all the eggs and bacon that you

01:07:00.640 have uh that was in all caps for those of you who aren't watching but listening the word all

01:07:05.800 he put in all caps he's not just talking about illegal immigration he is talking about all

01:07:10.760 immigration and the reality is that immigration has been out of control for what 60 years at this

01:07:17.720 point um so to say yeah we need a full moratorium on immigration until we can figure out what's

01:07:23.620 going on is a perfectly legitimate position it does not necessitate hatred towards any other

01:07:30.000 people it simply says we are allowed to have a country by god we'll have our home again and you

01:07:36.000 can say that while honoring the lord loving your family and not hating anyone else amen well said

01:07:42.060 okay next next one julian stevenson sent two dollars and says uh or is asking what are your

01:07:49.040 thoughts on majorie taylor green's cnn interview marjorie taylor green so the only clip that i saw

01:07:54.500 that was again in relation because it was going viral so i didn't watch the whole cnn interview

01:07:58.740 i'm not really particularly interested um i do think that she's done a lot of good and i appreciate

01:08:03.600 that but you guys know our position uh when it comes to this um we do believe uh that i i don't

01:08:11.160 want to be um i don't want to be uh disparage um marjorie taylor green i don't want to be

01:08:18.340 unnecessarily mean-spirited. But I do believe that the role of women is not in the political

01:08:26.580 public arena. I just don't believe that that's the way God's designed them or called them. And

01:08:32.120 I think the fact that we have some women who are generally doing a decent job and standing for some

01:08:37.360 decent virtues and values, like Marjorie Taylor Greene, because I think she is doing that, I think

01:08:43.320 that that's god's indictment um on on men in many ways as saying um yeah we we should be standing

01:08:51.300 for this but instead when it comes to men many of the men that we have in politics is lindsey graham

01:08:56.880 or uh or randy fine you know or these kinds of individuals so in terms of her general message

01:09:03.440 of america first and don't replace all the heritage americans with h1b visas and uh let's

01:09:09.880 severed ties with Israel. They're not our greatest ally. 100% agree. Um, I think that that's great

01:09:16.140 in terms of the interview. I didn't watch the whole thing. The only clip that I saw that was

01:09:20.760 going viral was, uh, you know, that she was asked at a certain point, well, you spoke at this, um,

01:09:26.900 at this, you know, political convention, this rally or whatever with Nicholas J. Fuentes back

01:09:32.280 in 2022 and uh he's you know very very very bad and uh we would like to take this time uh to offer

01:09:40.640 you the opportunity to publicly disavow him and she did not and not only her but the same thing

01:09:47.160 also happened over the weekend with donald trump he was questioned about nicholas j fuentes and he

01:09:52.500 had an opportunity he knows what what they were getting after what they wanted was for him to say

01:09:57.240 oh, I don't stand with Nicholas J. Fuentes. He's very, very, very bad. But even the president of

01:10:02.780 the United States, Donald Trump, did not disavow when he had the opportunity, Nick Fuentes. And I

01:10:09.560 think part of it is not just particularly because, oh, Nick is wonderful in every single thing that

01:10:13.560 he's ever said or ever done. But I think what Donald Trump and Audrey Taylor Greene are starting

01:10:19.180 to recognize is um that the public denouncement game is fake and gay and it actually gains you

01:10:28.020 no support it does not um it does not benefit you in any way to dance monkey when you know the

01:10:36.320 reporter or the journalist or the pastor or what whoever it is is demanding that you on a dime

01:10:42.080 denounce so-and-so and decry such-and-such, it doesn't actually help. In fact, you don't gain

01:10:49.360 anyone who already hates you. They go on hating you just the same. Your denouncement will never

01:10:55.900 be good enough. It'll never be satisfactory. But what you do ultimately achieve is not gaining

01:11:02.780 anyone, but losing people. And so I think what Donald Trump and Marjorie Taylor Greene,

01:11:07.680 both of them over the weekend when they were asked about nick fuentes not neither one came out and

01:11:13.060 said he is my favorite person in the world but neither did they come out and denounce him and i

01:11:18.340 think that that was a good political instinct they realize that that's an unforced error so it's not

01:11:24.600 even about think of it politically think about it strategically it's not even about you know the

01:11:30.520 actual substance of what it means to avow or disavow or do neither. It's not about the virtue

01:11:40.480 of it, because that virtue will be lost either way. Nobody's changing teams over that. The people

01:11:49.820 who hate you go on hating you. The people who love you go on loving you. So then what really

01:11:55.180 is going on well what's really going on is that your opponents are seeking to trap you and this

01:12:01.680 is what the pharisees did to jesus all the time literally the text will say that they sought they

01:12:06.680 posed him a question seeking to trap him and what jesus would often do is he would sidestep their

01:12:14.000 questions he would answer a question with another question you say if you want me to answer that

01:12:17.940 well then you answer me this oh you can't answer that you won't answer that then neither will i

01:12:23.100 answer your question right and so um jesus even used this this kind of system of rhetoric this

01:12:30.180 strategy uh with his opponents when he knew that they weren't actually concerned for virtue they

01:12:35.960 weren't actually concerned for this or that or the other they were just trying to publicly trap him

01:12:42.140 and so i think that donald trump and marjorie taylor green did the right thing they did not

01:12:46.840 they did not affirm they did not denounce they just said

01:12:50.640 no not really going to answer that i'm going to give you a non-answer because

01:12:56.600 a non-answer is precisely what journalists deserve so i saw that portion of the interview

01:13:03.380 what journalists deserve that's a little generous what journalists deserve some journalists after a

01:13:09.340 fair trial is uh you know some legal penalties i'll just leave it at that um but it's the least

01:13:16.220 we could say that journalists deserve okay our next one antonio you want to read it yep uh this

01:13:21.380 dude rocks again in the chat five dollars says the purity spiraling on x over skillet's cover

01:13:26.420 of oh come oh come emmanuel which is a small section with metal music elements is so obnoxious

01:13:31.280 thoughts i have thoughts but you guys go i'm gonna go on record and say i liked it but i'm a little

01:13:36.060 bit of a metalhead it's at the very end of the song and there's a version without it so if you

01:13:40.400 don't like it don't listen to it i recognize grunge is not very western and high art but

01:13:45.840 i like it i like the song here i stand what'd you think i only listened to a brief clip of it

01:13:52.280 i thought it was all right i'll take i'll take wes's opinion though coming down with the joke

01:13:57.320 my thought classic hymn christian christmas hymn um it ain't broke don't fix it so that that's my

01:14:05.380 thought so no i i was not a fan that said um i'm i'm not getting on twitter and you know and

01:14:12.920 disparaging one way or the other big picture um skillet is one of the few bands in christian music

01:14:22.520 that has been there for a long time and didn't become a gay furry you know like they're one of

01:14:27.860 a few christians in christian music uh that has maintained genuine christian virtue genuine

01:14:35.280 christian doctrine been outspoken even in the realm of politics against wokeness against that

01:14:41.680 against the other so i'm gonna look at the big picture and see that and say you know what um

01:14:47.300 yeah i you know i appreciate the big picture so i'm not gonna come out and you know say something

01:14:53.760 negative that said personal preference yeah i i don't really want christmas hymns with metal

01:15:01.560 so john cooper a guy who wears eyeliner and earrings has more gumption and more courage in

01:15:06.960 politics yeah than roger yes by a long shot okay our next one is savide akaton up at a cod which

01:15:16.900 is david dakota davis dakota davis backwards uh two dollars super chat he said ga good afternoon

01:15:23.860 what's y'all's favorite whiskey right now i don't know i mean we've got a lot but uh i uh i'm not i'm

01:15:32.460 not a connoisseur by any means i i've recently uh tried uh jefferson's and it's uh i don't it's

01:15:38.960 pretty good yeah okay yeah there's a couple whistle pigs that i think are good uh basil hayden's um

01:15:45.120 i occasionally basil hayden's has like a rye that and i'm usually i'd prefer a bourbon to a rye

01:15:53.260 um but basil hayden's has a rye that's actually pretty good right yeah uh walking stick i've had

01:15:58.920 walking stick recently it's a good i think it's like a 30 bottle good sipping and then uh eagle

01:16:03.300 rare is always a classic that's true that's a good one um angel's envy is also yeah that's a go-to

01:16:09.380 um okay this dude rocks gave us another two dollars he said uh ga good afternoon favorite

01:16:15.420 beer and breweries p.s uh wes sounds sick yeah i'm sick of these gay christians yeah yeah i got

01:16:24.280 a bit of a head cold um okay so i don't really drink beer um anymore uh it's been a long time

01:16:31.580 uh it's you hit a certain age and it's like drinking a loaf of bread and i've got five

01:16:39.520 kids and a wife and a church to pastor and you know i've got too much to do uh to be able to

01:16:46.680 just uh knock myself out not not with drunkenness which would be a sin but with uh with just sheer

01:16:52.980 calories um you know just the most unnecessary uh unforced calories you could possibly imagine

01:16:59.900 so i'm not a big beer drinker when i was though i really liked i you know everybody's ipa i mean

01:17:06.340 have this ipa or triple ipa or belgium ipa ipa with spice ipa like right from the cat litter box

01:17:12.640 yeah man i lived in san diego there was the stone brewery was there and they're good you know pizza

01:17:17.720 port was there they're good kind of an unsung hero um lots of breweries in san diego all of them

01:17:23.940 making west coast ipas triple ipas i had pliny the the uh the elder i've had which is only on tap

01:17:30.580 they don't even bottle it it's like once a year it would come to certain breweries and i've stood

01:17:34.960 in line and had pliny the younger which most people didn't even know pliny the younger exists

01:17:40.260 it does exist it is delicious i've had it but um been there done that bought the t-shirt kind of

01:17:46.440 just over it so if i ever have a beer it's usually going to be in the winter season like where we are

01:17:52.440 now it's going to be around a fire i'm going to be wearing christmas sweaters and uh and pjs and

01:17:58.620 i'm going to be with my wife and my kids and it's going to be some kind of stout it's going to be a

01:18:03.800 stout or maybe a pecan porter something like that yeah thoughts you guys i've always been a light

01:18:11.100 beer guy uh west said gay christians and i uh i was like oh this isn't looking good for me no i

01:18:16.760 yeah like uh i've always liked uh michelo probably like go-to it's decent see i won't

01:18:22.760 hit on you that with that because i know enough about beer when i used to be into it when i was

01:18:26.880 you know if you're in your 20s and you're in san diego like surfing beer are just kind of like

01:18:32.220 mandatory for whatever reason here's the thing that like for people who actually know beer

01:18:37.100 um at first you're like oh you know you're just gonna drink this you know this water

01:18:42.020 beer flavored water you know whatever like um you should be drinking an ipa a triple ipj

01:18:48.420 a a 17th dimension hazy which half of it is spices here's the deal dude um you know you

01:18:57.140 like beer you drink beer then you're like i'm going to go to the next level i'm going to start

01:19:00.760 brewing my own beer and so then you have your garage is all fitted out and i went there too

01:19:04.540 you know did that like um you know what's the easiest the easiest beer to brew that like you

01:19:11.760 could literally read three paragraphs spend about 75 on amazon and first try nail it an ipa

01:19:22.180 it is the most unimpressive beer you know how ipa was invented ipa indian hops right it was they

01:19:28.720 were trying to export beer on a ship very very long distance without it going bad so they put

01:19:35.780 so many hops in it so that it wouldn't go flat it wouldn't go bad um so how do you make an ipa

01:19:41.560 man it's such an intricate beer it's such an amazing beer um water and a ton of hops and a

01:19:48.880 toddler could do it uh you you want a beer that you will not be able to make after five years of

01:19:54.860 practice um quality um in your garage uh make me a pilsner uh make i know it sounds crazy but

01:20:04.080 make me a Michelob Ultra. Make me a Budweiser or a Miller Lite. The complexity of those kind of

01:20:18.060 just, we think of them as just general, you know, normal beers. They're actually far more complex,

01:20:24.220 far more difficult to make. And although it is still unnecessary calories, at least it's not

01:20:31.480 drinking a liquid loaf of bread when you're 39 years old as i am um and then you have to look

01:20:39.280 your wife in the eyes and explain to her why you can't spend time with the kids because you have

01:20:43.560 to take a nap so like um yeah so i just like you think ipas are cool um then you're either a liberal

01:20:50.920 or you're 25 but if you're a man or you're our tech guy if you're a right-wing christian

01:20:58.460 nationalist patriarchal man then you know that ipas are gay and uh and you're not afraid to say

01:21:04.860 it all right i gotta answer uh okay definitely pilsner or golden same same deal with calories

01:21:10.180 yeah like it's so it's funny guys will be like man i don't know why i'm struggling to lose the

01:21:14.020 weight my brother in christ you drink a meal worth of beer oh i just have three little beers

01:21:18.780 yeah that's 500 calories so generally light beer like a pilsner or golden great once or twice a

01:21:24.060 week yep all right this one is from david robinson he gave us 50 thank you david very kind he said

01:21:30.280 hey pastor joel love the podcast my mom went down a radical feminist pathway a few years ago she's

01:21:35.680 recently decided to leave church entirely should my siblings and i try to call her to account we

01:21:42.740 desire to honor her and my stepfather um yep you want to honor her um but honoring her doesn't mean

01:21:49.560 that you cannot bring accountability in a respectful way when she is not just wrong on

01:21:57.580 some secondary or tertiary issue, but in this case, I mean, as you've just said in your comment,

01:22:03.760 she has abandoned the church altogether. She's abandoned the Christian church. So she is

01:22:09.640 either already there or certainly well on her way to full-blown apostasy. So we're talking

01:22:16.700 about the difference in a very real sense, the difference between heaven and hell. And so out of

01:22:21.700 love for your mother and desiring for the preservation of her soul and for her not to go

01:22:27.460 to hell, you absolutely must hold her accountable. Now, holding women accountable is arguably the

01:22:35.240 most difficult thing to do in the world. And holding a particular woman accountable who has

01:22:40.520 just embraced feminism, which is essentially, if we were to put feminism in a nutshell, it would be

01:22:46.080 women not wanting to be held accountable. So to hold a woman who has embraced a worldview of women

01:22:51.440 not being held accountable, to hold her accountable is going to be exceedingly difficult. But can you

01:22:56.340 do that? Will she be receptive? I make no promises. I don't know. That would have to be the Lord and

01:23:01.760 his miraculous grace moving on her heart, softening her heart to be receptive to what you have to say.

01:23:07.640 Her response, the result of you confronting her, is not up to you. That's not within your control.

01:23:13.220 you're not responsible for how she responds you're responsible responsible for simply being

01:23:18.200 obedient so yes you do have to confront her and yes i do believe biblically speaking there is a

01:23:22.900 way to confront her um without um compromising the the fifth commandment to honor her so i think you

01:23:29.860 can honorably confront your mother will she respond well i don't know uh but then you can

01:23:35.580 rest assured that you have a clear conscience before the lord that you've honored him and that

01:23:40.880 you have honored and loved your mother so yes i do think that you should confront her all right

01:23:44.960 west you want to take the next one all right trottle our guy sent five dollars he has reports

01:23:50.320 from the front line and he said this just came from reddit slash our true christian mind not the

01:23:56.480 general front page so the true christian subreddit uh big time air quotes there reddit true christian

01:24:02.760 and he said it is my great pleasure not displeasure my great pleasure to inform you

01:24:06.780 that you are angering the libs and the pietists wonderful must be a day that ends in y it's a day

01:24:11.940 that ends in y yeah uh yeah that checks out uh and tony you want to take the next one yeah uh

01:24:17.320 cancel lincoln the betrayal of 1776 great name there sent twenty dollars and says tucker carlson

01:24:24.260 has recently been saying that as christians we are only to judge people as individuals without

01:24:28.400 any regard of the racial or ethnic group they come from is this a biblically sound principle

01:24:33.780 god bless you gentlemen uh what do you think i've got thoughts you can take it first yeah um

01:24:40.440 i'm sorry i'm just trying to okay so tucker carlson has been saying christians should only

01:24:46.280 judge people as individuals that's what he said when he interviewed nick i think uh i i would

01:24:50.980 make the distinction um you know when you're when you're meeting people you know person to person

01:24:56.240 interpersonally i think there's a fair bit of i mean for one it's impossible to like go into an

01:25:02.140 interaction with no preconceived notions, right? We, we, we are people, we are, we leverage

01:25:07.320 stereotypes as heuristics to know things about people. It's presuppositions. Exactly. So, so I

01:25:13.080 think it's evitable that you do that for one. But I do, I would say I would make a distinction

01:25:17.920 between sort of like a ethnic categories at the, you know, political level, or you could talk about

01:25:24.420 public policy and those sorts of things. And interpersonally, when you're actually just

01:25:28.240 meeting someone. I think what Tucker, if I'm interpreting what he's saying charitably, he

01:25:33.020 probably means that when I meet a new person, I try to learn. And this is kind of indicative of

01:25:38.620 what he does as an interviewer too. It's just asking good faith questions. It's trying to

01:25:42.680 understand their perspective. And I think there's an extent to which that's a fair approach to take

01:25:47.420 when you're meeting people. I do think he goes farther though. Maybe that's what you're about

01:25:50.660 to say. He does seem very reluctant to ever say, this people group, the Jews did X or are generally

01:25:57.340 guilty of X. So I do think he goes farther. Maybe that's what you're about to say.

01:26:00.420 Yeah, exactly. So I think that the error that he's making that you're pointing out is that

01:26:05.440 he's doing what I think it's fair to do on the individual level. He's then trying to take that

01:26:11.720 to the level of, oh, public policy and general statistics and those sorts of things. And I just

01:26:17.020 think it's just a category error. We have to be able to think in categories, particularly when

01:26:22.600 we're talking about public policy. And so that's my take on it. I don't know if you see it

01:26:27.740 differently. Yeah. I think part of it is just the word judge. It's a charged word. So it depends

01:26:36.300 what do you mean by judge? So if you're saying that God does not eternally judge people on a

01:26:42.600 group basis, but rather individually, has this individual person put faith in the Lord Jesus

01:26:49.360 Christ and repented of their sins or not. And that would be true. He who judges all the earth

01:26:55.140 will in his eternal and perfect judgment, he will judge righteously and it will be on a personal

01:27:01.940 basis. So that, you know, if you have parents who were righteous, but you were wicked, you will be

01:27:09.500 judged as a wicked man. If you have parents that were wicked, but you were righteous and most

01:27:13.920 importantly, made righteous through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, your parents' sin will not be

01:27:19.500 ultimately held against you when it comes to eternal judgment. So if we're talking about the

01:27:23.580 final judgment, God's final judgment, then yes, that's on an individual basis and not on the

01:27:29.700 basis of groups. But if we're talking about human judgment, if we're talking about prejudice, which

01:27:37.900 is just pre-judgment. Everyone has prejudice, right? That's another charged word. We act as

01:27:44.020 prejudice is inherently sinful, but it's not. Prejudice is just pre-judgment. And judgment

01:27:50.740 also, likewise, is not inherently sinful. We're constantly executing, utilizing judgment. The

01:27:57.320 question is, are we making righteous judgments or wicked judgments? Are judgments right? Are they

01:28:02.160 accurate or are they wrong? Are they inaccurate? Well, prejudice is just prejudging. And to prejudge

01:28:10.200 is to make a generalized, right? So right there, it's a generality, a general judgment, knowing

01:28:16.020 that there are always exceptions to generalities. So it may be right, it may be wrong, but I'm

01:28:20.700 trying to make some kind of prejudgment about an individual. And I'm looking at the things that can

01:28:27.780 be witnessable, the things that can be ascertained without knowing the person on an individual level

01:28:35.140 in order to make some kind of prejudgment so that I can act appropriately in this given

01:28:44.100 circumstance. I don't think that that's inherently wrong. I don't. So again, God's perfect judgment,

01:28:52.500 his final judgment, heaven or hell, those kinds of things, that's individual, certainly, and not

01:28:57.220 a group dynamic but um i think the question becomes um less about guilt and just more of a

01:29:06.500 descriptive um categories of can groups of people based on uh nationality or based on ethnicity or

01:29:15.900 based on a religious affiliation or based on political affiliation right like often how often

01:29:22.240 do people say, well, liberals, dot, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da. You know, well, conservatives,

01:29:27.600 dot, da, da, da, da, da, da. Well, that's a prejudice. That's a prejudgment. And it's not

01:29:32.720 inherently sinful. And it's also not inherently inaccurate. It's a general judgment and a pre

01:29:39.260 judgment. But people make those prejudgments, whether they want to or not, even subconsciously,

01:29:45.320 because they're generally true. So if someone says, well, you're just a liberal, and therefore

01:29:50.320 you care more about, you know, smelt fish than you care about your grandma. Well, why would you

01:29:56.600 think that? Well, you would think that because liberals have, as a group, certain particular

01:30:03.060 besetting sins, right? Each group has certain strengths and certain weaknesses. Groups,

01:30:10.460 be they ethnic groups, national groups, political groups, religious groups, have descriptors,

01:30:16.920 right you can describe christians in a certain way um you can describe muslims in a certain way

01:30:24.060 you can describe hindus in a certain way you can describe black people in a certain way you'll get

01:30:29.000 a lot of flack for you'll get in big trouble but you can you can describe white people in a certain

01:30:34.480 way um so long as that way is a negative way you'll actually be praised for that one uh you

01:30:39.380 won't get in trouble at all um but but we know that these things are generally true so um so if

01:30:45.260 we're executing judgment without necessarily being judgmental, but we're making a judgment

01:30:53.920 about a person based off of what group they belong to, the things that we know before knowing them

01:31:02.340 at a deep, profound, personal level. We can just see the way that they're dressed, or we can see

01:31:07.260 their skin color, their ethnicity, or we can see their nationality, or we can see they're wearing

01:31:13.020 a MAGA hat. We can see, you know, we can see their political affiliation. Then we can identify

01:31:20.260 on the surface initially which groups they might belong to. And ethnic categories are not the only

01:31:26.860 categories. We can see the ethnic group. We might be able to see some other groups, political,

01:31:30.740 religious, and so on and so forth. And then we can make a pre-judgment, hold it with open hands,

01:31:37.920 knowing that there are exceptions. We could be wrong and without being mean-spirited or

01:31:42.260 judgmental, but make a pre-generalized judgment based off of identifying which groups this

01:31:49.060 individual that we currently don't know at a personal level belongs to based off of the

01:31:54.220 general truths, both strengths and weaknesses, descriptors that are appropriately belonging to

01:32:01.500 each of these groups. And to do that, what I've just described, to do that is not inherently

01:32:08.800 sinful that's not an inherently sinful thing to do you can say that it's sinful you can be offended

01:32:14.640 you can clutch your pearls but it's not inherently sinful and i think that's a portion of the

01:32:20.260 interview uh that tucker had with nick that i i wish that that got fleshed out a little bit more

01:32:25.940 i think nick wanted to flesh it out a little bit more but i think tucker kind of you know he he's

01:32:30.520 he kind of said his generic line and then and then moved on and we like tucker i'm so i'm not

01:32:36.140 trying to pick on tucker uh what he said is is fairly common it's it's kind of what you would

01:32:41.380 expect and i don't believe that he was being duplicitous or deceitful i think that's probably

01:32:46.780 what he genuinely believes i think he probably genuinely believes uh that any judgment of a

01:32:54.640 person at a group level in regards to what group they belong to again ethnic is not the only group

01:33:01.060 but ethnic or religious or political or sex yeah he's a man i bet he's better at driving than this

01:33:07.380 person who's a woman or whatever you know like those kinds of things stereotypes is what we're

01:33:11.340 talking about stereotypes exist for a reason because there's some general exceptions always

01:33:17.960 but some general truth behind that stereotype that made it exist in the first place and to make some

01:33:25.140 kind of predetermination, prejudgment based off of which group this person belongs to and the

01:33:33.080 stereotypes surrounding that group, both strengths and weaknesses, is not inherently sinful. If you

01:33:41.700 go further though and you take that and say, and therefore I am 100% convinced that this person is

01:33:48.960 a terrible person and even if I did get to know them, I could never be convinced otherwise.

01:33:55.140 I would never give them the time of day.

01:33:57.060 I would never give them an opportunity.

01:33:59.900 In fact, I don't see these as general truths.

01:34:02.260 I see them as infallible universal truths.

01:34:05.040 There are no exceptions.

01:34:06.080 Those would be examples of where I think it goes from the presuppositions

01:34:13.200 and general prejudices that we all possess subconsciously or consciously

01:34:18.620 that are not inherently sinful or righteous

01:34:22.640 to something that that actually is um sinful uh and so uh so my my point is i think it's just

01:34:30.160 as as you can probably tell from my answer i just don't think it's quite as simple i think tucker

01:34:35.920 wanted to make it seem really easy there's this really simple thing you just you just don't judge

01:34:41.800 based off of groups one way or the other other ever um that sounds good in our modern kind of

01:34:49.040 context right in our western you know identity politics is bad you know context that's that you

01:34:57.000 know that that resonates with people they like it people like to hear that like oh yeah i like that

01:35:02.100 that sounds right um but if you're honest and and you dig a little deeper and you're a little you

01:35:08.940 know you have some nuance you you explore it a little bit more you realize that not only is it

01:35:14.060 not right um it's also not true it's just not true nobody actually people like to say it um and

01:35:21.540 maybe they're not even aware but at the subconscious level no one actually goes through life that way

01:35:26.660 no one has gone through life without ever making a generalization no one so i just again i don't

01:35:37.340 think tucker's being dishonest i think he probably thinks he believes what he's saying

01:35:43.060 and just hasn't explored it enough and for nick to be able to give that thorough of pushback

01:35:49.620 that i just gave without tucker interrupting was probably unlikely and so we got the interview we

01:35:56.220 got okay all right reformed farmer sent five canadian dollars thank you sir and asked this

01:36:03.320 um nate i don't know if there's a second part to this comment that goes with it they asked uh how

01:36:08.140 addressed this in the local church i attended a good reformed church but this is like a fish

01:36:14.080 in water christians don't realize it we're looking okay we'll skip to the next one and

01:36:21.840 see if there's any there may be another uh another portion of that comment attached and our tech guy

01:36:25.900 is going to go look for it and if he finds it we'll come back to it but uh let us at least say

01:36:30.760 this uh thank you for the super chat we appreciate it reformed farmer next go ahead joel okay this

01:36:35.960 one is Jesse Caldwell. Awesome. He just reached out to me today, which is great. He gave us a

01:36:43.760 hundred dollars. Very kind, very generous. Thank you so much. He said, GA, good afternoon. Long

01:36:48.660 time listener. Thank you for your faithfulness. May the Lord raise up bold men to consistently

01:36:54.280 apply power in the right direction over a lifetime of work. The application of power must be

01:37:02.060 consistent and rooted over multiple generations lord bless you guys amen well said and thank you

01:37:08.900 so much for the big super chat we appreciate it you want to take the next one antonio yeah julian

01:37:13.400 stephenson just just replied to clarify about uh the mtg super chat uh marjorie is it marjorie

01:37:19.780 yes marjorie taylor green uh he says i was talking about the part where cnn accused her of using

01:37:24.820 violent rhetoric and she gave in and apologized oh yeah so i didn't see that part i didn't see it

01:37:30.460 the best of women are women at best uh yeah that's well said um i i mean i doubt i i don't

01:37:37.660 know i don't really follow her i don't know her full repertoire of everything she's publicly said

01:37:41.960 nor do i really care to uh be privy to that knowledge um but honestly just the few little

01:37:48.860 pieces that i've seen of her i would be shocked if she really has used violent rhetoric right

01:37:57.900 So if she really has used violent rhetoric in a wicked way, then that's worth apologizing for.

01:38:06.140 But it is never worth making an apology for something that you didn't actually do.

01:38:12.680 And if I had to bet, I would say the accusation of her using violent rhetoric is probably deceitful and that she probably didn't use that rhetoric.

01:38:23.420 and if i'm right in that assumption then she certainly shouldn't walk it back she shouldn't

01:38:28.700 apologize if it's not something that she did so it's kind of like a like a lose-lose so in this

01:38:34.940 scenario the you know all i can say of mtg is she actually did use violent rhetoric in which case it

01:38:43.520 was not prudent or wise probably shouldn't really be in politics and therefore she had to walk

01:38:50.120 something back that's a bad look or she didn't use violent rhetoric and apologize anyways because

01:38:58.140 she succumbed to the weapons and strategy of the left in which case not a good look probably

01:39:05.440 shouldn't be in politics so what do you think if you were 50 50 and all of a sudden you're on cnn

01:39:10.180 and you're about 50 50 that one wasn't great and they press do you think out of principle you

01:39:14.840 should say hey right here in the moment i'm not going to all the cameras are on me the pressure

01:39:19.020 is on i'm not just going to sit here and do it i could have been wrong but i'll get back to you in

01:39:23.460 a week i'm not going to sit here and give into the pressure or just say you know what i was kind

01:39:27.460 of feeling like i missed it in that one we're here now let me say yeah that was a miss what

01:39:31.620 would you do i guess in that what i would do is i would say well there's context to everything that

01:39:35.980 everyone says always and if you ever want to have a long form 60 minute style interview where we play

01:39:42.680 the full context of what i said and you give me um not just 30 seconds right here before you cut to

01:39:49.140 a commercial break or something else but you actually give me ample time to explain what i

01:39:53.400 meant and why i said what i said then i'd be happy to respond but if you're looking for me

01:39:57.640 in 10 seconds or less to simply say oh you got me and follow my sword uh then you're going to

01:40:04.000 be sorely disappointed because that's not happening profound that's what i would say

01:40:07.880 great all right there was no other comment so maybe he's just asking about the topic

01:40:12.280 oh okay so just yeah he's probably yeah talking about today's you know title for the episode

01:40:19.640 christians especially in canada too where he comes from yep christians being allergic to power why

01:40:24.540 why is this uh why so if you read that into his comment how is christians being um how addressed

01:40:32.100 is this using power in the local church i attended a good reformed church but this is like

01:40:36.840 efficient why christians don't realize so even in a good reformed church that has you know

01:40:41.640 generally good theology the concept of christians wielding power righteously is still foreign even

01:40:48.280 in his reformed church context um and and christians don't even realize um they don't even

01:40:55.080 don't don't even realize how far off the rails they are by uh by just surrendering yeah that

01:41:01.700 ground i think that's true absolutely um which is part of the reason why we try to address it

01:41:07.200 and um and i think the reaction that we're seeing when it's addressed that people are like this is

01:41:14.020 the most you know terrible thing that has ever been said by any christian minister in the you

01:41:19.220 know history of the world a christian minister said that christians should attain and wield

01:41:24.460 power righteously um oh no oh no oh no i i think the reaction tells you uh what's really underneath

01:41:31.540 it. What's really underneath it is that not just that people find it icky. I think they're

01:41:38.840 it's afraid. They're actually afraid. The reactions that you're seeing are not from

01:41:46.440 guys who are really on the Christian team, but concerned. The reactions you're seeing

01:41:52.060 are fear mongers who are trying to stir up people to be afraid of that rhetoric because they know

01:41:58.500 that if it catches on, it actually could be effective, and they are devoted, wholly devoted

01:42:04.920 to Christians losing. They're actually on the other team. They're double agents. They're

01:42:10.400 imposters. David French, it's not that he's, wow, gosh, that guy is a Christian who just gets it

01:42:16.380 wrong all the time, or maybe he gets it wrong all the time because he's not a Christian. Hello,

01:42:24.040 fellow Christians, let me tell you how Jesus would be more pleased with you if you made sure to lose

01:42:30.760 all the time. Well, I mean, it could be an absolutely stupid Christian, but here's the thing.

01:42:37.300 A stupid Christian would still, like a broken clock, get it right twice a day. French has never

01:42:42.440 been right. Not even twice. Never. And that tells me that he's probably not just an ignorant Christian,

01:42:49.020 he's probably a false christian and i think we need to begin to see him as such so i think that's

01:42:56.660 all of us we had one more chat come in okay and tony you want to read this one

01:42:59.900 oh yeah marco alejo sent uh ten dollars thanks for that and says good afternoon joel still love

01:43:07.540 your show after being in your church back in san diego i have extended family that are gay

01:43:11.920 that may bring their uh so significant other to family to family gathering concerned about the

01:43:20.360 message it sends to my kids thoughts well said um one marco thanks for tuning in we really

01:43:26.700 appreciate that i remember you and uh marco is a uh impressive uh godly young man so grateful for

01:43:32.940 him uh we actually address this is what west was probably about to say in a recent episode i'll

01:43:37.440 give you the the brief summary just sent a link to nate and he can put it in the chat so it'll

01:43:41.560 be there and we'll give the summary good so west just sent um uh a a link and we'll put in the

01:43:46.760 chat so you guys can look at it the quick summary is this um i do think that there's a difference

01:43:51.040 in someone who is in sin versus someone who is actively sinning right in sin versus sinning so

01:43:58.240 if you had a drunk uncle who curses like a sailor and he wants to come and join the family for

01:44:05.600 Christmas. You could say, hey, I'm a father, I have young children, and I'm sorry, I love you,

01:44:12.420 but I do not want you drunk and cursing in front of my children. And if he chose to abide by that

01:44:19.800 prerequisite and said, you know what? I'm a drunk sailor, but on Christmas day, when I show up at

01:44:25.500 the house, I'm going to be sober and I'm going to leave the cursing at home. Then I think you

01:44:32.500 shouldn't say well me and my family won't be there no i think your kids can be around him because

01:44:36.520 they're going to be around an uncle who is in sin but while they're in his presence he's not going

01:44:43.100 to be actively sinning similar principle applied to the gay family member so if that gay family

01:44:50.260 member is going to show up with their significant other and have their arm around them and do gross

01:44:58.300 things uh in front of your children then yeah i would not participate and i would make whoever's

01:45:04.940 choose uh would you like our family to be present for christmas you know for the thanksgiving or

01:45:10.220 the holidays whatever it is or um so and so uh because if so and so is there we won't be

01:45:16.700 yep i'm sorry um however if this gay you know extended family member is still gay still a

01:45:25.140 sodomite still in sin uh but is going to choose not to actively sin in front of your children

01:45:33.500 right he's not going to show up with his significant other and do homosexual things

01:45:38.760 in front of the children um or do the voice or do the voice seriously like act effeminately right

01:45:45.440 you're going to come there and you're going to sit up and talk like a man yep then that would

01:45:49.360 kind of be like the drunk uncle who says well for christmas i'm going to put put away the bottle

01:45:53.880 and wash my mouth out with soap and show up in my Sunday best.

01:45:58.500 Well, then, okay.

01:45:59.780 So I think that's the difference is can you bring your children

01:46:03.940 during the holidays around family members who are living in sin?

01:46:09.320 Yes, you actually can.

01:46:11.300 Can you bring your children, subject your children to family members

01:46:15.100 living in sin who in their presence will actively sin in front of the children?

01:46:20.740 No, I don't think you can do that.

01:46:22.660 So then the question really becomes, is there any way to ascertain how the holidays will go?

01:46:30.120 Will this individual family member behave one way or another? And the only way to really ascertain

01:46:37.060 that is, unfortunately, although it's uncomfortable, is to have a conversation. And so then I would say

01:46:43.420 if you feel confident that to even broach the subject and to have that conversation ahead of

01:46:49.500 time to see if they would be willing to behave in such a way when your kids are with them during

01:46:55.760 the holidays. If you feel like to even broach the subject, even have the conversation to begin with

01:47:02.220 is going to set them off and anger them and blah, blah, blah, then I would say there's your sign,

01:47:08.100 right? So like if you're like, well, the only way I could do it is if they promised not to do X,

01:47:13.700 Y, and Z in front of the kids, but to get that promise, I'd have to talk to them and to talk to

01:47:18.480 them would anger them and they would go on a rage and blah blah then i would say well then you kind

01:47:23.660 of already have your answer but if you feel like no i think i could talk to them and i don't know

01:47:28.820 exactly how they would answer but to be fair i could see it there's a chance it could go either

01:47:33.400 way well then i would have the conversation so that's it for today thank you guys for the super

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