The NXR Podcast - THE LIVESTREAM - Jordan Peterson, James Lindsay, & The “Woke Right”

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00:00:42.440 Matt Walsh says mutilating children is evil.

00:00:46.020 Jack Prasobiak calls for Christian men to build families, lead their communities, and defend their nation.

00:00:52.260 thousands of young conservatives are rejecting drag culture open borders and the death spiral

00:00:58.820 of liberal democracy and now all of a sudden they're being called woke james lindsey an atheist

00:01:07.460 once co-belligerent against the excesses of the left is sounding the alarm not against antifa

00:01:14.320 and not against the left but actually against the right itself see in his eyes anyone who speaks

00:01:21.940 in terms of collective identity national destiny or religious authority has gone off the rails

00:01:28.920 he's adopted the phrase woke right to describe these people but let's be clear these men are

00:01:36.700 not dressing up marxist categories in red white and blue and they're not crying victim while

00:01:42.760 their group identity is simultaneously being advantaged they're not co-opting oppressive

00:01:49.040 narratives falsely. Instead, they're simply rejecting a hollow system that tells Christians

00:01:55.340 to keep quiet, to keep their faith private, and to keep the public square morally sterile.

00:02:03.120 The people being called woke right are those saying enough is enough. They're done pretending

00:02:09.920 that drag queen story hour is a constitutional blessing. They're done pretending that open 0.98

00:02:15.840 borders are a civic virtue, and they're done pretending that America can survive without a

00:02:22.280 spine or even a soul. James Lindsay wants a right that fights the left, but only within the boundaries

00:02:30.800 of Enlightenment liberalism, that is secular, individualistic, and morally neutral. But those

00:02:39.420 boundaries are exactly what led us here, and now the people trying to build something rooted,

00:02:45.120 biblical, and bold are being smeared as radicals. This episode is brought to you by our premier

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00:03:00.220 You can join our Patreon by going to patreon.com forward slash right response ministries, or you

00:03:07.400 can make a donation by going to right response ministries.com forward slash donate. So today

00:03:14.540 we're pulling the mask off the term woke right. Who's using it? Why are they using it? And what

00:03:21.900 it reveals about the real lines being drawn on the right. So let's dive in.

00:03:37.340 GA, we are back. We are back. Not Wes though. Not Wes. Wes is gone. He's in Hawaii going to

00:03:44.080 a wedding with his family. And so I'm sure he'll just have a difficult time suffering for the cause

00:03:50.200 of Christ in Hawaii. He'll be back soon. So we'll have Wes joining us in the near future. For today,

00:03:58.320 we're going to be talking about James Lindsay and Jordan Peter Stein, the two of them, Jordan

00:04:03.400 Peter Stein. Stein, I think, is appropriate. I mean, he did partner with the ADL. And a lot of

00:04:09.580 this does um it should make you angry uh you should be righteously indignant and in your anger do not

00:04:15.300 sin as the bible says um but but yeah you should be frustrated that a guy who was a hero uh to young

00:04:23.000 men uh for almost a decade um and and who the lord in his common grace right jordan peterson is not a

00:04:29.920 christian but in his common grace uh god used jordan peterson uh peter stein you know i've

00:04:36.960 heard it both ways uh god used him um to do a lot of good for a young man um to not just play the

00:04:43.320 victim to you know make your bed clean your room um and and he exercised a lot of courage against

00:04:50.020 a lot of you know ngos non-governmental organizations that were putting immense

00:04:54.880 pressure on people in this kind of first wave of wokeness that ramped up in the early 2000 uh teens

00:05:02.620 but especially 2015 leading to Obergefell and then certainly 2017, 18, 19, and then really

00:05:09.660 reached its climax in 2020. And so Jordan Peterson came on the scene and launched into

00:05:15.980 the stratosphere by refusing to use LGBT pronouns and was resisting forced speech. That was kind of

00:05:26.340 what put him on the map, his refusal to be forced to use certain forms of speech. But then even

00:05:33.500 recently, we've seen him partner with the ADL. So the same kind of NGOs and groups that were

00:05:40.120 trying to destroy Jordan Peterson, where his resistance to those NGOs is precisely what made

00:05:46.440 him famous and made him a hero in many people's eyes. And now he's actually not just starting to

00:05:53.040 compromise or no longer resisting these organizations but actually giving these

00:05:57.340 organizations the same ones the right hand of fellowship and partnering with them against what

00:06:04.320 he perceives as being anti-semitic so the whole christ is king controversy we did an episode on

00:06:11.300 that recently feel free to go back and watch it but now he's just recently had james lindsey on

00:06:16.800 his show and they're talking about the woke right what is the woke right and it's ironic because you

00:06:22.120 know jordan peterson is one of the personalities and host on the daily wire network and matt walsh

00:06:28.840 has had actually i think a lot of great commentary over the last couple of days in regards to uh this

00:06:36.140 whole idea of the woke right and and matt's not really having it he's doing a good job and saying

00:06:41.460 no this is not a thing and if it is then i guess i'm woke right and so it's ironic to see you know

00:06:46.960 matt walsh who is also with the daily wire we'll see for how long but he's with the daily wire i

00:06:52.680 you know there's i think there's actually a path i'd love to see him leave the daily wire but i

00:06:57.260 to be honest there's a path for him staying on at the daily wire for a long time just because

00:07:02.040 matt walsh is a cash cow i i guarantee you um that he is bringing in um probably the most profitable

00:07:09.720 personality with the daily wire at this point especially with his uh documentaries what is a

00:07:15.480 woman and am i racist and uh as ben shapiro continue continues to in my assessment show

00:07:22.660 more of his colors of being israel first uh having someone like matt walsh who uh ben shapiro would

00:07:29.280 disagree with and has disagreed with for quite some time on some of these issues uh but but i

00:07:34.840 think uh i don't know if shapiro can really afford um to to get rid of some of the differing opinions

00:07:41.700 on his network after losing candace owens and uh losing uh brett right cooper yeah brett cooper

00:07:48.700 um i i think that matt walsh in many ways is one of the last guys on the daily wire that

00:07:54.240 that a lot of people trust and so um so he could be there for a while but the point is there was

00:07:59.420 an irony in seeing jordan peterson who's with the daily wire hosting james lindsey uh and matt

00:08:05.220 walsh who is also a personality contributor with the daily wire and then seeing james lindsey in

00:08:10.540 the same 48 hour window james lindsey and matt walsh going back and forth and back and forth and

00:08:15.520 james lindsey is on with jordan peterson and as his episode is airing he's simultaneously on x

00:08:23.240 calling you know matt walsh a midwit right because matt walsh uh had a different take from ben

00:08:30.840 shapiro and others in regards to uh the shiloh controversy some are calling her uh joan of park

00:08:37.580 yeah i saw that in the chat instead of joan of arc joan of park uh this is the the tattooed

00:08:42.880 white woman who had a young toddler that she's holding in her arms and uh and who allegedly i

00:08:49.460 and i think it's probably true we just don't have the video of of her speaking to this uh this young

00:08:54.940 black boy who um we're told is autistic and we're told is five although he's about the height of

00:09:01.920 of an average 10 to 12 year old which it's possible that he's just a big boy so i i don't

00:09:07.080 know i don't have omniscience or any secret intel on the matter but i'm just saying he definitely

00:09:12.460 looks like a child who's older than five but this is the woman who allegedly used the n-word

00:09:17.640 when telling this this boy to stop stealing the contents from her purse and then a somalian who

00:09:25.100 was there at the park you know started recording her on his phone and then uploaded it and then

00:09:30.020 it was taken down but then somebody else had found it they re-uploaded it and a go fund me

00:09:34.720 was started because she has to kind of uproot her entire life and find a new address and a new 0.93

00:09:40.200 school for her children her social security number was doxed her name extended family members her

00:09:46.180 address all these kinds of things and so a lot of predominantly white people came to her aid

00:09:52.140 and matt walsh his take on this whole situation was saying um yeah if this is what it takes

00:09:58.760 uh to to once and for all maybe this is the cusp maybe maybe this is the once and for all

00:10:04.920 you know america saying we are done with cancel culture we're not doing it anymore and matt

00:10:10.900 walsh wasn't saying and so therefore we should start using the n-word you know especially on

00:10:14.920 playgrounds with children that's not that's not what he was saying right uh but what he is saying

00:10:19.260 is um that that although it's an unsavory word and and that particular use of it um i certainly

00:10:27.640 would not advise however to dox her her address her school her children her parents and extended

00:10:36.120 family members and social security number doxing especially to that degree on an issue that is

00:10:42.500 this sensitive in in our american context it it is and people will say well this is hyperbolic or

00:10:49.840 this is extreme but no i i think it really is legitimate to dock someone on this issue to that

00:10:55.940 extent um it is tantamount to murder what you're doing is putting a hit on someone and saying it's

00:11:02.920 open season joel some of the videos that i saw where just as people were trying to figure out

00:11:09.560 who she was i saw videos on x where people went on and they said well it's not just the mom we've

00:11:16.380 got to find the kid too and the kid i'll put it more politely but basically needs some sense

00:11:24.080 knocked into it to not come out racist and it was to the tune of needs to be made unconscious

00:11:29.400 for long periods of time physically knocked unconscious yeah i saw that and and this was 0.92

00:11:34.600 not parody this was not humorous this was uh this was a black man yep deadly serious yeah saying 0.87

00:11:41.140 that someone needs to find her child her two-year-old three-year-old child and beat them

00:11:45.720 unconscious and so to dock someone on this kind of issue when racial tensions in our country are

00:11:51.920 currently this high um is it is tantamount to murder and so uh mount walsh his position was

00:11:58.460 not saying so let's all start using the n-word on a regular basis you know especially with children

00:12:02.820 on playgrounds that wasn't his position that's not what he was communicating what he was 0.99

00:12:06.940 communicating is um is that is that people are saying no we're not going to allow this woman

00:12:13.900 even if we wouldn't have done it ourselves even if we would have used some other kind of language

00:12:18.980 we're not going to allow a random woman with her toddler son to have her entire life destroyed

00:12:26.600 simply because she said a naughty word we're done with that america is done with that that that is

00:12:35.260 the essence of cancel culture is that you make a mistake and i know that plenty would disagree with

00:12:40.880 me and say well she didn't make a mistake she called the boy a certain word because he was

00:12:44.960 behaving in that moment as a certain word i still would not have done it i would have used other 0.64

00:12:50.520 words thief right you're being a thief stop that where are your parents why are you unsupervised 0.51

00:12:57.320 why are you taking things that are not yours you need to go home do you need me to call your 0.77

00:13:02.020 parents and if he started to mouth off i'm going to call the police to come and get you to take

00:13:06.800 you home right um you do not behave this way so i i think there's a way of dealing with it without

00:13:13.400 using that particular language however that said um using a certain word um a magical word

00:13:21.300 uh there's no what we either have free speech or we don't now there are social consequences for the

00:13:27.280 words that we use so free speech doesn't mean uh that there are no social consequences but when

00:13:32.660 the social consequences are as high as putting a hit on on someone's child yeah to beat them

00:13:40.260 unconscious potentially to the point of death no those are not normal consequences if somebody is

00:13:47.340 regularly using unsavory speech in a foolish way and it causes them to not be the most popular

00:13:55.000 person in the workplace it causes them not to have a whole bunch of friends that that's that's

00:14:00.060 one thing but when it causes them to have their social security number and address doxed publicly

00:14:06.160 to millions of people and then and then videos dozens and dozens of videos coming out saying

00:14:12.000 find her yep hurt her hurt her child um that that is not just normal social consequences

00:14:19.580 that is cancel culture in its essence and so everyone rushing to shiloh's support are there 0.98

00:14:26.760 some people who just are rushing to to her support because they just hate black people

00:14:31.380 maybe yeah but there's also a ton of people uh that i've seen even in the comments on the go

00:14:36.820 fund me were like yeah i wouldn't have used the word but i'm still going to give her some money

00:14:40.160 right because it's worth um it is worth my money to send a message to say we here in america are

00:14:48.200 done with cancel culture and we're done with a double standard this is where you know a lot of

00:14:52.620 people i i you know people were saying well um you know uh how come black people can say the n-word

00:15:00.540 dozens of times a day and it's in it's in every rap song it's in their movies and media and and

00:15:09.420 and they're saying it laughing and it's you know and um no no and and they can also say it'd be 0.59

00:15:15.960 one thing is well we can say it because it's about ourselves well black people also say cracker and

00:15:21.340 honky did you did you see the clip i think it was today i wish i would have had time to

00:15:25.940 to clip it and put it in for today but it was on piers morgan oh yeah i saw that did you see this

00:15:30.900 where there's a panel on there and there's a white woman and two black guys and i think two

00:15:35.960 white guys and the white woman is mad about the double standard and piers morgan he's not actually

00:15:40.940 hoping she'll say the word but he says to her say the word yes right and so then the liberal black 0.95

00:15:47.080 guy goes absolutely ballistic don't you tell her don't you tell her it's gonna hurt me yeah but 0.88

00:15:52.100 but he says that would be an offense against me and he said i'm the only and in the same breath

00:15:57.740 i'm the only black guy up here the guy next to me is an uncle tom it's like he cannot have the word

00:16:04.780 the n-word said in his presence right but he can revile and slander another guy next to him

00:16:11.660 within the same breath correct there is a massive double standard here you're right and then that

00:16:17.000 guy i think a little bit later took out a toy gun and pulled the trigger and it had written out a

00:16:22.700 flag that said the n-word so which was kind of funny um but the but the point is that's you know

00:16:27.900 just giving our audience um the the background yeah so so matt walsh comes out and i think had

00:16:34.260 um really good cultural we're gonna show some of his really good cultural analysis in regards to

00:16:40.140 this shiloh is it hendrix is that her last name yes and and this shiloh hendrix incident and james

00:16:46.920 lindsey of course was not having it um he he did not appreciate that and then ironically he goes on

00:16:53.420 jordan peter stein's show who's both matt walsh and jordan are on the daily wire and so it's this

00:17:00.640 just this i don't know multi-faceted messy kind of situation that's but it's it's fascinating and so

00:17:06.600 what we want to focus on because we've already done an episode on shiloh hendrix

00:17:10.320 but what we want to focus on is james lindsey on the episode with jordan peterson talking about

00:17:17.460 what it is to be woke right um and i think that james lindsey um you know i watched it and i think

00:17:23.180 he did an excellent job yeah i really do uh because some clarity to the conversation yeah

00:17:27.380 because what he ultimately portrayed is that um being woke right means nothing and i mean he

00:17:33.600 articulated that about as well as anyone could. It was a perfect word salad that demonstrated,

00:17:40.700 I think profoundly, that woke right is nothing. And so that's what we're going to be talking about

00:17:46.160 in today's episode. I'm going to hand it to you, Michael, and I know we want to get to some clips,

00:17:50.320 but go ahead. Well, I think we should jump into that clip here in just a second. So I'll just

00:17:54.120 set it up. This is from the beginning of the interview, and Jordan Peterson is basically

00:17:59.120 asking Lindsay about this term, woke right, and what it is and where it came from. And, you know,

00:18:05.480 if you've been around the internet some, this is a term that maybe is confusing to you. It was a

00:18:11.180 bit confusing. It still is a little bit confusing to me. But rest assured, James Lindsay is here

00:18:16.500 to help at least sort out the definitions so we have an even playing field. We know what we're

00:18:21.800 arguing about. So let us all take great advantage from what he offers here to the public discourse.

00:18:30.200 Great. It's a fraught term, right? People see it as paradoxical because you have woke, which they

00:18:36.380 associate with left. You have right, which they associate obviously with the right. And so now

00:18:40.960 you've got a paradox. And so I've caused myself some trouble by calling a radical segment, not

00:18:47.020 the whole right, a radical segment of the right,

00:18:49.620 woke right, which I started doing,

00:18:52.540 I guess, last fall, September.

00:18:55.640 I started using it before the term.

00:18:58.200 I didn't invent the term.

00:18:59.220 A lot of people accuse me of

00:19:00.280 inventing the term or credit me with it.

00:19:01.940 This term has been in rough circulation,

00:19:04.120 floating around in the Internet space

00:19:06.040 for at least since middle of 22.

00:19:08.240 So it's not a brand new term.

00:19:09.500 I just adopted it and went hard about it.

00:19:12.660 The simplest explanation I give people for,

00:19:15.200 well, what do you mean by woke right?

00:19:16.620 How does that make sense?"

00:19:17.460 And I say, well, it's woke people

00:19:19.020 who call themselves conservatives.

00:19:20.900 And some of them don't though,

00:19:21.900 they call themselves right-wing.

00:19:23.740 And they distinguish that conservatives

00:19:25.360 and right-wing are different,

00:19:26.300 but it's woke people.

00:19:27.580 So the whole suite of behaviors, beliefs,

00:19:32.460 even the deep metaphysical constructs

00:19:35.560 underneath those beliefs.

00:19:37.080 And as you recently pointed out,

00:19:38.380 I think the psychology that generates those

00:19:41.020 beneath all of that,

00:19:42.040 the cluster B personality disorders are presenting

00:19:45.040 and psychopathologies, psychopathy itself sometimes,

00:19:49.640 all of that kind of feeds upward into this concept of woke,

00:19:53.840 which I think we can talk pretty fruitfully about.

00:19:57.600 But I don't believe it can only be presented

00:20:00.760 through left-wing causes.

00:20:03.840 You can present it in terms of right-wing causes

00:20:07.160 or religious causes or other causes,

00:20:10.060 because it's the pathological expression of an ideology

00:20:13.220 or of a belief structure that ultimately is woke.

00:20:19.940 The pathology of a belief structure that ultimately is woke.

00:20:24.060 Right.

00:20:24.720 It's super helpful.

00:20:26.220 But, yeah, not telling us, so what is it?

00:20:31.100 So part of the reason James Lindsay can't say what woke right is,

00:20:37.300 I don't think it's just incompetence.

00:20:39.460 I really think it's dishonesty.

00:20:40.980 so i'll i'll take a crack at it um we all remember that the term woke uh that that it uh arose

00:20:49.740 during a time where basically because i remember i was uh in acts 29 uh which is a church planting

00:20:56.540 network that went woke uh it's the same network that was started by mark driscoll and then kicked

00:21:01.820 out mark driscoll and the moment they kicked out mark driscoll they also uh conveniently right at

00:21:07.000 the same time abandoned um a lot of orthodoxy um was mark driscoll maybe holding back uh the tide

00:21:14.460 of liberal insanity in that movement i mean honestly uh each year that goes by kind of

00:21:21.160 vindicates mark driscoll a little bit more and more and more especially within acts 29 it was

00:21:25.820 much better with him uh than after he was removed but i i entered in our church entered into acts

00:21:33.720 29 in 2014. And I pulled our church out of Acts 29 towards the end of 2018, right after Eric Mason,

00:21:43.760 who was one of the board members and a close friend of Matt Chandler, who replaced Mark

00:21:48.140 Driscoll as the president of Acts 29. It was right after Eric Mason wrote a book called

00:21:53.200 Woke Church. And I remember every single conference and every single speaker at every

00:21:58.680 single conference and every panel it was all about being woke and eric mason at this time this is

00:22:04.880 before you know the term woke um ended up being you know more of a pejorative because eventually

00:22:11.100 because wokeness lost and it handedly lost at the at the you know the um the ballot box in 2024 both

00:22:18.280 the electoral and the you know the popular vote um america's really done with wokeness but in 2018

00:22:23.600 it was cool you know so eric mason was was you know perfectly fine using that term in the title

00:22:30.520 of his book woke church and what's he's insinuating is that the church needs to get woke and so what

00:22:36.500 does it mean to be woke well i've read his book and i remember him speaking at the conferences

00:22:40.400 it meant to wake up to to something particular to wake up to the social and judicial and systematic

00:22:49.700 injustices occurring in america towards people of color right that's what wokeness was to be woke

00:22:59.020 was to be awake and awake to what awake to um i see you know i don't i'm not just looking at ones

00:23:06.520 and zeros anymore but i can see into the matrix and i'm perfectly aware of the systematic injustice

00:23:13.280 towards minorities particularly black people and i would just add that has gone back to the beginning

00:23:20.840 of the american project all the way from the very beginning so it wasn't even not just in that

00:23:28.500 right now yeah you're right yeah you're right and that's where 1619 project and all these different

00:23:33.200 things um arose and saying like that there's there's a um a revisionist history right of

00:23:40.260 america's so not just i'm aware of the system as it currently is in the ways that it's um that

00:23:47.940 it's duplicitous and and sinister towards people of color minorities particularly black people but

00:23:55.680 that america always has been this way and that our entire nation was founded upon injustice and so

00:24:02.960 that's what it meant to be woke it meant to be awake to both the origin and history and founding

00:24:09.160 of america in its injustice towards black people and the current present day systems judicially

00:24:16.500 and also economically and you know with with corporations and with judges with certain laws

00:24:23.800 and how all of it was to favor white people that white people are privileged and that people of

00:24:30.100 color minorities particularly black people are at a disadvantage i'm woke meaning i'm awake to that

00:24:36.460 reality so when james lindsey here's the point when he says woke right um what he means and he

00:24:44.280 can't really just say it out loud because then you know it becomes fairly obvious uh what he's doing

00:24:50.500 and how deceitful he's actually being but uh to say it's well it's the same thing it's tomato

00:24:55.300 tomato there's woke people on the left and there's woke people on the right well what did it mean to

00:24:59.400 be woke the only wokeness that actually exists on the left it was to be aware of injustices towards

00:25:05.740 one group of people the people that he's now calling woke on the right are people who are

00:25:11.720 claiming they're they're asserting that there are certain injustices but but they're injustices not

00:25:18.200 towards black people not towards minorities but there are certain injustices on the books

00:25:24.080 currently in present day against the hegemony against heritage americans and predominantly

00:25:30.640 against white americans and so james lindsey looks at that and says tomato tomato you know

00:25:36.240 you can be woke in in one direction and you can be woke in the other you can be woke on the left

00:25:40.480 you know and say why you know black people are being oppressed in in 2022 you know or you can

00:25:46.900 be woke right saying that uh white people are at a systematic disadvantage in universities

00:25:54.280 when it comes to acceptance procedures and testing and scores and corporations when it

00:26:01.440 comes to their hiring practices and even certain judges especially in blue states if you're i

00:26:07.760 don't know if if you're for instance trying to save people from someone who's threatening their

00:26:13.280 physical safety on a subway that you know that the law is going to come down on you in a certain way 0.61

00:26:18.560 that it would not come down on you if you didn't happen to be white and if you know the person that

00:26:23.640 you're subduing didn't happen to be black so anybody saying that who's basically just again

00:26:30.520 woke meaning awakened anybody who's awakened to certain injustices academically economically

00:26:38.080 corporations hiring practices and even judicially in our current moment towards white people not

00:26:44.980 people of color not minorities but towards white people anybody who says that james lindsey is

00:26:51.080 going to say um they're woke there's just they're just woke on the right uh but what people are not

00:26:58.240 doing and a lot of people have followed james lindsey in this rhetoric and they're like oh

00:27:02.580 yeah because here's the thing most americans especially most white americans really are not

00:27:09.300 racist right so they just they're like can we just please be done we just want to be done talking

00:27:14.500 about race we want to be done thinking in racial categories we just yeah and so it's it's actually

00:27:19.960 a really it's a really manipulative tactic because what you're doing is you're actually

00:27:24.740 playing on you're playing on the goodwill you're taking advantage of the goodwill of your fellow

00:27:31.540 americans predominantly again white americans i mean we have statistics and graphs of of you know

00:27:37.980 the way that the average black person sees themselves in relation to white people and

00:27:43.380 hispanic people and asian people and then the way the average asian sees themselves and the way the

00:27:48.060 average hispanic sees themselves and then the way the average white person does and i i wish we had

00:27:52.900 the chart but it's for the average white person in america um it's it's almost like a line it's

00:27:58.780 you know like where where they view themselves in relation to hispanics blacks and asians

00:28:02.880 and then whites like all four dots are pretty much like just parallel right right in a line

00:28:08.140 and then you look at those three other races that are described in this study um asians and blacks

00:28:15.100 and Hispanics. And for them, it's like they view their own in-group. Blacks view Blacks,

00:28:21.660 their fellow Blacks, here on the spectrum positively. And then they see way, I mean, 0.99

00:28:27.380 it's a pretty wide gap. Here's Hispanics and here's Asians and here's whites. They're the

00:28:33.340 worst. And so my point is that if we're just statistically talking, of course there are

00:28:39.180 exceptions to the rule. I'm speaking in generalities. But in our American context, present

00:28:43.880 day 2025 white people more than any other color more than any other ethnicity or race or whatever

00:28:51.640 framework you want to use um they're the least racially conscious people in the country right

00:28:57.500 race matters the least to white people and pretty much that's the way it's been for 80 years

00:29:03.640 yep that's like like not it's not even it's not even comparable it's like it's not even close 0.53

00:29:08.920 black people think in in dynamics and categories in terms of their blackness yep not every black

00:29:17.660 person i don't think votie balkham thinks that way i don't think thomas soul thinks that way 0.89

00:29:22.080 but again in generalities the average black person is their their color their race is a far bigger

00:29:29.740 deal to them than the average white person that's what i'm saying generalities group dynamics and so

00:29:35.240 it's manipulative going back to my point because what you're doing is you're you're actually taking

00:29:40.200 advantage of the least racist people on the planet yep white americans the least racist people

00:29:51.040 on the planet in fact if they are racist against anyone it's themselves themselves they hate 0.95

00:29:56.780 themselves i mean white people in america literally hate themselves white guilt is a very very real 0.97

00:30:01.940 thing. And that's part of what Matt Walsh was getting at is saying is if this helps us to

00:30:06.260 defeat cancel culture and also to shed and rid ourselves of white guilt and unfounded, unjustified

00:30:15.140 sense of white guilt, then yeah, so be it. Then that would be overall a win. That would be a win.

00:30:23.480 And so all this being said, my point is for James Lindsay and Jordan Peterson,

00:30:27.400 Yeah, just sitting there nodding his head. Oh, so profound. And oh, let's go back to this Lucifer

00:30:32.620 thing again. Lucifer was the first person who's woke. And so now every person on the political

00:30:39.120 right who thinks that maybe we're allowed to have a culture and a country is also woke. And what

00:30:47.380 that means is that they're synonymous with Lucifer, the devil, they're satanic. I mean,

00:30:52.640 just an insane interview absolutely insane interview uh but my whole point is the reason 0.91

00:30:58.420 why james lindsey has picked up steam it's like how can something so moronic and so clearly 0.87

00:31:03.800 manipulative and deceptive pick up steam well here's here's the very simple answer um because 0.96

00:31:10.600 the vast majority of white people in america are incredibly wonderful people that's why yeah that's

00:31:17.800 why it's been successful that's why this whole woke right campaign that is a deceitful manipulative

00:31:24.100 campaign the reason why it's picked up any momentum at all is because white people in america are

00:31:31.200 great this is how they're not racist they they don't want to they just want to be kind and they

00:31:38.220 just want to to think that my fellow americans and it's if you did this with anybody else yeah

00:31:43.800 you would not nobody would be hopping on your bandwagon nobody would be joining your campaign

00:31:49.620 they're only joining your campaign not because you persuaded them not because you can even define

00:31:54.520 the the thing that you're talking about they've jumped on your campaign because you're playing

00:31:59.700 off of their goodwill that's how neo-marxism got sway in america it was because um one of the

00:32:10.960 tactics of the neo-Marxists who came in and through the institutions, it was explicitly stated

00:32:17.580 Americans are kind, compassionate people. Play on that and use that to their detriment because they

00:32:25.040 will want to believe you. They will want to sympathize. They will want to. And this was

00:32:28.560 happening in the 40s and 50s. And this was an intentional tactic that the neo-Marxists used

00:32:34.380 to gain ground and to get their claws into the American society. It was intentionally

00:32:39.680 by going after the goodwill and the good nature

00:32:42.360 and just the general disposition

00:32:45.880 to consider other people's needs and hurts

00:32:48.840 and situations and perspectives

00:32:51.020 that was in the American ethos at the time.

00:32:54.360 Right.

00:32:55.140 Yeah, America has been long,

00:32:57.260 been an incredibly altruistic country.

00:33:01.700 Yep.

00:33:02.540 A sympathetic country.

00:33:04.960 We're talking about a country,

00:33:06.120 which for the record i actually wish this wasn't the case i wish that we had ended slavery another

00:33:13.120 way but we're talking about a country that was willing to end slavery at the cost of 650 000

00:33:19.960 of its sons bleeding out and dying right we're talking about an incredibly benevolent people

00:33:26.060 an incredibly benevolent people and um and and so here's the irony woke right uh catches on

00:33:36.500 and and has experienced some success some momentum for the very same not not another reason

00:33:43.840 but the very precisely the same reason that wokeness on the left the original wokeness the

00:33:51.060 only wokeness that really exists for the same reason that wokeness was successful in the first

00:33:56.520 place back in 2020 and 2021 and 2022 woke right is is getting picking up some steam for the same

00:34:05.880 reason that woke picked up steam uh in the summer of george floyd why because because the only reason

00:34:12.900 that wokeness worked it wasn't just because um it wasn't a better argument it wasn't all 13 percent

00:34:18.320 of black people in the nation joined as one and and that was enough to make um to make uh every

00:34:26.540 single netflix uh original and every tv show and every uh fortune 500 company and and uh actual

00:34:35.220 you know judicial rulings you know and and elections and it's not that 13 percent of the

00:34:41.800 black population was was so united that they were able to exert their total will against the other

00:34:49.800 87 of americans why was wokeness not woke right but wokeness why was it successful in the first

00:34:56.800 place because a ton of white people hopped on board and why did they hop on board because a ton

00:35:03.880 of white people are really kind people right and just the thought that someone besides themselves

00:35:12.420 might be mistreated or getting the short end of the stick um they hated that right they're like

00:35:18.980 oh no i yeah i don't like that i don't like that at all i want everybody to be treated fairly and

00:35:23.580 and i want everyone to have a chance and i'm even willing to give up some of my opportunities and

00:35:28.360 some of my blessings in order to make sure that somebody who maybe might be less fortunate so

00:35:32.800 that they can have those blessings as well that's your typical white person in america it is so 0.68

00:35:38.480 wokeness was successful because because 13 of black people just manhandled the other 87 of the

00:35:46.860 country no because a ton of white people still not by much but the majority of the united states

00:35:52.500 hopped on board because they're sympathetic people and woke right likewise is picking up

00:35:59.420 some momentum and having some success because of the same reason because a lot of white people

00:36:04.880 are saying oh yeah well we don't um we don't want to be extra privileged and we don't and we don't

00:36:12.580 want to play the victim so the same people who who were like yeah um if there's any victim in

00:36:18.620 our country we want to help them out right are also the very same people to say unless we're the

00:36:22.700 victor right we don't want any kind of special uh special treatment we uh because that might

00:36:29.460 disadvantage or be unfair to others who are not like us that's how your average white american

00:36:34.580 thinks again going back to the graph i wish we had it but uh the average white person the way

00:36:38.580 they perceive themselves and their group their in group in comparison with um how they view blacks

00:36:44.260 how they view hispanics and how they view asians it's just a straight line it's just a straight

00:36:48.720 line. They just, they think everyone's the same. Everyone's the same. That is not how the average

00:36:54.380 black person, again, there are exceptions, but in general, that's not how the average black person 0.79

00:36:59.460 thinks. That's not how the average Hispanic thinks. And that's not how the average Asian thinks. 0.90

00:37:04.360 Every other group, ethnic group in America has a strong in-group preference. They will place

00:37:11.840 themselves on one end of the spectrum, that is, the end that is most favorable, and everyone else

00:37:19.920 will be, you know, there'll be a pretty wide chasm between their group and all the other groups,

00:37:26.740 except, with one exception, white people. White people. And so that's for the same reason that I 0.90

00:37:33.380 hated OG wokeness, again, the only wokeness that actually exists, is the same reason that I hate

00:37:39.760 this new fake woke right because the only reason either of them have picked up any momentum or 0.96

00:37:47.560 steam at all is because they they both prey p-r-e-y on white people and take advantage 0.56

00:37:56.320 of the goodwill of some of the most altruistic sympathetic kind good-hearted people in the 0.78

00:38:05.020 entire country so all that being said back to you know the the earlier point i was going to make

00:38:11.140 if wokeness meant being awake and then that you know raises the question awake to what awake to

00:38:16.780 the injustices towards these groups well then woke right right if we're saying that it's just

00:38:22.880 tomato tomato wokeness over here and wokeness over there but it's the same thing that's what

00:38:27.780 james lindsey's trying to convey um well if it's the same thing then woke right would have to be

00:38:32.560 being awake to injustices towards white people towards the hegemony and i just wish that people

00:38:39.460 would stop for one moment and ask a pretty because we can you know we can just settle it right here

00:38:43.940 and now by just asking one question which is well is one of those two narratives true right so woke

00:38:52.340 original wokeness i am awake to the injustices towards minorities predominantly black people

00:38:58.360 And now, woke right, I am awake and aware that there are actual injustices on the books

00:39:04.480 towards the hegemony, the majority, not by much, but still by some, namely white people 0.62

00:39:10.340 in America.

00:39:11.320 So to settle the score, instead of just saying, look, they're both doing the same thing, or

00:39:15.840 they're both using a critical lens, or they're both using Marxist, you know, Hegelian dialect,

00:39:21.980 blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:39:23.060 instead of doing that why don't we just ask hey are one or both or none of these two narratives

00:39:31.260 true right in 2020 were police officers in mass numbers just lining up black people in the street 0.96

00:39:43.120 unarmed black people and executing them right because that was the claim that was the claim 0.78

00:39:47.940 that was the claim so let's just let's just look at it is that true oh well it was a complete and 0.97

00:39:54.960 absolute demonic lie great okay so now let's look over here because because i don't know anybody

00:40:01.820 that james lindsey would call woke right who's saying they're lining up white people right you

00:40:07.180 know um and and have they have firing squads and they're just no i i've never heard that claim

00:40:12.240 right there were you guys you're forgetting it hasn't been that long but i know that all of us

00:40:16.800 we want to move on. We like to forget. You've probably worked really hard to forget the year

00:40:21.360 of our Lord 2020, right? Mostly peaceful riots, you know, and cities are on fire, the summer of

00:40:26.280 love, St. George Floyd. You've probably worked as I have to, you know, to forget it. But let me,

00:40:30.960 you know, walk you down memory lane for a moment. It was not just claims of saying, well, you know,

00:40:36.200 black people don't have some of the same hiring opportunities at these companies as what that

00:40:42.160 would no these were not the claims yeah no the the claims were uh lebron james they're hunting

00:40:47.360 us down in the street and they're doing it in the thousands the thousands the average i remember

00:40:53.240 watching the videos where people were asking they were going and interviewing the average man on

00:40:57.200 the street on the street the average man on the street black person or white person because again 0.99

00:41:01.500 white people are suckers right white they are you know because they're so compassionate they you 0.99

00:41:07.240 know when you say hey they're doing terrible things to this other group that's not you the 1.00

00:41:11.220 typical white person responds by saying oh my goodness that's terrible please take all my money

00:41:15.160 here's my house you know like that's how white people tend to respond because because they're

00:41:19.780 really kind and so at that time in 2020 they would go and they were interviewing you can watch video

00:41:24.900 after video ask a black person ask a white person and they'd say how many people you know in this

00:41:29.660 year annually do you think um how many unarmed black men do you think the police have killed

00:41:36.460 and people were answering in the thousands yeah in the thousands they're like i don't know ten

00:41:41.280 thousand a hundred thousand a trillion a billion i don't know like is it even just here anymore are

00:41:48.520 they sending troops of white people to africa to mow them all down you know like i don't know maybe

00:41:53.060 a billion like i mean these are the answers okay now when we talk about the woke right well it's

00:41:59.380 just the same thing you know uh they're they're been awakened to injustices towards the hegemony

00:42:04.520 towards white yeah okay but what are the claims the claims are uh well when it comes to violent

00:42:10.320 crimes black on white versus white on black there's a 42x multiple okay well that's a really

00:42:19.260 specific claim so let's look it up can we verify it oh on the fbi database we can verify right

00:42:27.260 oh so if anything it might be higher it actually might be it's a conservative number okay all right

00:42:34.280 well, what about hiring practices discriminating against white people, particularly white

00:42:39.480 heterosexual men? Okay. Well, are there any metrics on that? Can we look it up? Oh, look,

00:42:44.360 the corporations themselves are writing articles boasting and bragging in 2023 saying we only

00:42:52.200 hired the top fortune 100, the biggest, top biggest hundred companies in America in 2023

00:43:00.080 wrote an article showed the numbers and said yes we only hired six percent not just white males

00:43:06.780 but white people men and women right six percent and 94 for the whole year with the biggest most

00:43:15.220 successful hundred companies in the country 94 was people of color right minorities oh so yeah

00:43:24.160 2023 was probably economically speaking if you're looking for a job probably a bad year to be white

00:43:30.380 right objectively these are the claims that i'm hearing the woke right make but here's the

00:43:38.740 difference all the claims are substantiated they're valid they're true michael i think that

00:43:46.440 there's an element of this i think everything you said is is right but i think there's an element of

00:43:50.840 this that needs to be considered as well. And that is people objected to Woke 101 or 1.0,

00:44:02.020 not only because of the claims they were making. You know, if there would have been a guy with a

00:44:06.760 sandwich board standing out on the street, making the claims that black people are being hunted down

00:44:12.560 the streets, things like that, people like James Lindsay, they would not have cared.

00:44:17.340 What's underneath a lot of this

00:44:19.240 is the fact that the woke movement got so much power

00:44:22.980 that it was actively recreating the system that we live in.

00:44:28.700 And it was, in many ways, unjustly recreating it, right?

00:44:32.640 Like talks of reparation,

00:44:33.960 so as we're getting closer and closer.

00:44:35.900 And in many ways, the woke claims of then

00:44:39.380 led to practices like in 2023,

00:44:42.180 where companies now think it's a win 0.55

00:44:44.360 that they can hold up and write a public article we hire 94 people of color right like like the woke

00:44:51.800 movement gained enough control and enough power and enough influence that fortune 100 companies

00:45:00.120 felt like it was a win in a public um gain for their company to not only engage in those hiring

00:45:07.360 practices, but to publicly virtue signal that fact. And so part of what people reacted to

00:45:14.340 with wokeness was not just the claims, but the fact that it was moving away from what we said

00:45:20.400 in the cold open, enlightenment liberalism, right? And it was changing that system. And I would bet

00:45:27.740 that part of James Lindsay and Jordan Peterson's critiques or wanting to kind of adopt this new

00:45:34.940 term woke right is not just because of the claim like you can't argue with the numbers about the

00:45:39.300 hiring and the crime statistics and things like that those things are are not things that they

00:45:44.600 could like you just can't debate that right right what they are i think also upset about is the idea

00:45:51.660 that maga or dissident right or new ascendant right whatever we're calling this whole movement

00:45:59.420 is threatening the system and the system of enlightenment individualism, which prizes

00:46:07.900 secularism, lack of objective morality, at least in the public square, not just kind

00:46:17.140 of the individualism of the innate dignity of the human being, but a radical individualism.

00:46:22.360 These things were being threatened by the original woke and they're being threatened

00:46:26.720 by the ascendant right as well.

00:46:28.960 We're trying to return to nature.

00:46:30.500 We're trying to return to natural order.

00:46:32.680 And the America that existed in the bubble

00:46:35.000 of the 60s to the 90s can't be permanent.

00:46:38.200 It can't exist under woke one

00:46:41.600 or what they think is now woke two.

00:46:43.940 And so in some sense,

00:46:45.220 I think why Lindsay applies the same term

00:46:48.160 is he sees people on the right talking about groups,

00:46:52.040 talking about righting wrongs on a systemic level.

00:46:56.720 And he says, oh, that's exactly the same thing.

00:46:59.000 They're threatening our society and our system

00:47:01.800 and our way of living.

00:47:03.760 And so now when any ruckus is being raised

00:47:06.480 that makes similar threats to the system

00:47:09.100 or even what are perceived to be similar threats

00:47:13.120 to the system, it has to be called the same thing.

00:47:16.340 Pejorative term, he won and the anti-woke people won

00:47:21.160 and they framed woke as a pejorative

00:47:23.380 and now they can level that pejorative

00:47:25.420 at the ascendant right, and it does gain a lot of credit, like you said, because a lot of people

00:47:29.960 have been trained to stay away from that word woke. And if there's people on the right that

00:47:34.200 are woke now, I want nothing to do with them. Yes, that's exactly what's happening. And it's

00:47:38.660 so deceitful, because it's not the same, not even close. But James knows what he's doing.

00:47:48.800 And I think there's a lot of guys on whatever you want to call dissident right, ascendant right,

00:47:54.360 new christian right um guys in our broader camp um who don't really want to say what i'm about to

00:48:01.820 say which is um james lindsey is having some success yes he is and someone asked why we're

00:48:08.540 talking about this and it's because he's having some success right so i understand that you know

00:48:12.700 for strategic purposes in terms of tactics it might be more advantageous to just um to just

00:48:19.720 mock and laugh you know um and and try to kind of laugh james lindsey off the stage that's actually

00:48:26.200 you know i think some guys are doing that uh strategically they're doing that um on purpose

00:48:31.680 because they think that's the best method um and i think that's fine they can take that strategy if

00:48:37.020 they want to take that strategy but um but i actually want to address it a little bit more

00:48:41.380 seriously because um yeah uh james lindsey is having some success and uh and if you're like 0.96

00:48:49.000 how and why well um i regret to inform you that uh white women exist

00:48:55.400 and as long as white women exist in our feminized culture um then uh yeah then guys like james

00:49:05.160 lindsey will be wildly successful because you're talking about the most empathetic toxic empathy

00:49:12.520 group of people on the planet in history probably history i can't say that conclusively but probably 1.00

00:49:18.680 yeah so as long as white women um are uh are a category they exist and because of feminism have 1.00

00:49:27.840 as much power as they have um then uh then yeah we we have a major uh kink in uh in the chain mail 1.00

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00:51:23.600 all right so what we want to do moving on into this segment is talk a little bit about

00:51:31.860 who are some of these so-called woke right we want to mark and avoid them we want to give you

00:51:37.920 guys a public warning let's stay away at all costs yeah that's what we're going to do for sure

00:51:42.560 so we're going to take a listen to a second clip from the peterson interview

00:51:47.920 and then we're going to move into some of the responses on twitter some of these quote-unquote

00:51:52.600 woke right as they're reacting to this whole situation so let's roll the second clip who is

00:51:56.840 it angered well this is the thing i this is what has has i'll use this word this is a heavy word

00:52:03.080 for the beginning of a conversation but this is what has dismayed me i knew it would anger the

00:52:07.960 people that it applies to in my opinion because who would want to be called woke right first of

00:52:13.080 all and second of all it limits their ability to interact because they have a label that's not a

00:52:17.960 good label that sticks to them but what i'm dismayed over is that almost the i hate to use

00:52:24.920 this word so glibly but the what i refer to sort of as a as a bookmark as elite maga or the um the

00:52:32.840 the more um who's who of the conservative movement seems entirely captured by this as well and they

00:52:40.600 also became upset saw me as a turncoat and a traitor against the movement

00:52:44.360 so apparently it's all the smart right-wing people who are now woke right right uh man so even even

00:52:53.980 his um categorization of who it is was not even all that particular helpful so let's take a look

00:52:58.980 at twitter and some of the people who have said okay i guess i'm woke right so um nate let's go

00:53:03.220 to the image number one this is uh jack posobiec uh commenting on matt walsh which is matt walsh's

00:53:10.560 take is hilarious. Matt Walsh says this. He says, I'm told that I'm now a member of the woke right.

00:53:15.800 I still don't know what that means, but I'm hoping the perks are good. When are the meetings? Do we

00:53:21.100 get a Costco discount? Someone needs to send me a brochure or something. So classic Matt Walsh.

00:53:26.620 Classic. Tongue in cheek. Yep. Let's go to the second image there, Nate. So here, Jack Posobiec

00:53:33.940 starting to offer a little bit of helpful assessment.

00:53:37.520 He says, woke right is a label used by embarrassed liberals

00:53:42.380 to gatekeep and de-platform actual conservatives.

00:53:46.260 Okay, so he's saying that in response to Matt Walsh again.

00:53:50.500 So Nate, the next image I'm pretty sure

00:53:52.960 is Matt Walsh's full comment that he says about that.

00:53:55.940 So Matt Walsh was saying,

00:53:57.400 today I did a 20-minute monologue

00:53:58.680 explaining in great detail

00:54:00.060 why I support the Shiloh Hendricks fundraiser.

00:54:03.400 I've been denounced as racist and, quote, woke right for it by many, quote, conservatives,

00:54:09.000 but not a single one of them has made any attempt to engage with my actual arguments.

00:54:13.560 I don't know what the bleep woke right is supposed to mean, but I do know that reacting

00:54:20.140 emotionally without engaging with the substance of the argument seems pretty woke to me.

00:54:25.800 And that is such an insightful point where he says, reacting emotionally against something

00:54:33.320 that you don't like, out-engaging the substance of the argument is the epitome of woke. At least

00:54:39.540 it was the epitome of woke tactics back in 2020, 2019. Right. Like I've yet to see anybody

00:54:45.200 thoughtfully. No, no. We saw the clip earlier. Engage. Thoughtfully, keyword. I've yet to see

00:54:52.740 anybody thoughtfully engage jeremy carl in his book the unprotected class where he keeps a detailed

00:55:00.400 log of receipts actual receipts and all the ways that white people particularly white men in america

00:55:07.920 have been disenfranchised and disadvantaged both in the realm of academia also corporately with

00:55:14.840 hiring processes and jobs and then also even judicially in multiple court cases and he keeps

00:55:21.760 this log and shows the receipts and shows what's going on not just once upon a time but today

00:55:27.460 what's currently the case and nobody has even attempted to dismantle it on the basis of

00:55:35.940 substance because they can't right because it's true so so that's really what it is it's a

00:55:42.160 deceptive tactic of taking a pejorative something that really is wrong wokeness and then attach it

00:55:50.080 it and saying uh to to certain people that you don't like and and you know we'll get a little

00:55:56.500 bit more into you know who are these woke right people right allegedly you know who are being

00:56:01.260 labeled as woke right but but before that it's worth mentioning you know who is doing the labeling

00:56:07.100 so not just who's labeled as woke right but who is labeling others as woke right and this is the

00:56:12.780 common denominator and you need to be aware of it who are the people who are using this rhetoric

00:56:17.800 This pejorative, to silence, that's what it is.

00:56:20.040 It's to smear and silence and isolate a group of people that they don't like

00:56:26.780 and that they disagree with.

00:56:27.960 So who's using this label?

00:56:31.480 It's liberals.

00:56:33.460 It's all the liberals who voted for Democrats for the last 30 years,

00:56:41.760 but eventually, and very, very recently, in the big scheme of things,

00:56:46.940 just in the last few years, found themselves in the broader conservative side of the aisle

00:56:54.060 politically because although they love every liberal principle and voted for every liberal

00:57:00.820 policy for the last 10 years, 20 years, 30 years, 40 years, they eventually found themselves on the

00:57:10.260 political right for two reasons, because I want to be fair here. One, because the left that was

00:57:15.980 always demonic um eventually got cocky and and showed its hand and pushed too far right right

00:57:25.580 so these are liberals who agree with every liberal liberal policy you can imagine except for they

00:57:31.560 agree with the presuppositions except for mutilating children yep that's about it yeah 0.97

00:57:36.580 once they started uh mutilating kids and chopping off their genitals then these guys became right 0.98

00:57:44.180 wing. So who's doing the labeling? Bill Maher, James Lindsay. It's that crew. It's all these 0.92

00:57:52.680 guys who have been traditionally liberal and traditionally Democrats for a very, very, very

00:57:59.480 long time, and then, you know, would claim my party left me. But I said two reasons. So here's

00:58:04.880 the other one. One, the left lost its mind. Second, the right has progressively more and more moved

00:58:13.460 left. So these guys, like James Lindsay, it's not just that he finds himself on the political right

00:58:20.660 now because the left went so far left. It's not just that here's James Lindsay and the left went

00:58:26.400 over here, but the right also moved. And we have to acknowledge that. The reason why James Lindsay

00:58:32.340 fancies himself to be on the right side of the aisle politically and culturally is not just

00:58:40.220 because of the left's demonic strategies, but because of the right's compromise. The right

00:58:46.660 that would actually look at James Lindsay and say, one of us, one of us. We should have never done

00:58:52.960 that. We should have never done that. No, you're not one of us. You're an atheist. You hate God.

00:59:00.600 You hate Christ. You're to the left of Bill Clinton. No, you're not a conservative. Of course

00:59:09.600 not and real quick going earlier in in the first clip we played where he said and some of them

00:59:14.060 don't uh say they're even conservatives and he says that like it's a bad thing yeah just for the

00:59:18.580 record uh yes there are some who who have dropped the moniker of conservatism to describe themselves

00:59:24.820 but the reason why is because conservative in many cases has come to mean uh simply conserving

00:59:32.340 the present, because conservatives did not succeed in conserving for the last, I don't

00:59:42.000 know, forever.

00:59:43.180 So because conservatives have conserved nothing, many conservatives today, when asked, you

00:59:49.800 know, what are you trying to conserve?

00:59:52.280 What they're ultimately trying to conserve is not our nation's founding.

00:59:55.800 It's certainly not the 13 colonies, and it's certainly not Christianity.

01:00:00.040 It's certainly not traditional values.

01:00:02.340 What they're trying to conserve is yesterday's victory from the Democrats.

01:00:10.180 That's it.

01:00:10.660 Like, today's conservative is conserving yesterday's liberals' victory.

01:00:17.320 So when they say, well, I'm just a conservative, when you ask, when press, what are you trying

01:00:22.400 to conserve?

01:00:23.520 Well, that includes gay marriage. 0.97

01:00:27.440 Right. 0.99

01:00:27.540 that includes um pornography as as a form of free speech that includes all kinds of degeneracy so

01:00:37.140 so to be fair some of the guys on on our side of the aisle who are saying yeah i'm not a conservative

01:00:43.780 that's that's why that's that's what they mean what they mean is no i'm not just trying to

01:00:48.840 conserve the status quo aka 20th century liberalism at its peak uh the the the chickens coming home

01:00:57.100 to roost but instead i actually want to go back so i don't want to conserve i actually want to

01:01:01.840 progress um but they're not going to call themselves progressives because obviously that

01:01:05.840 would be uh confusing because they're not wanting to progress to the left but they're wanting to

01:01:09.920 progress to the right progressing not forward but backward you can't say regress because that's

01:01:15.940 negative because that sounds terrible yeah so they're but what they're trying to do is not merely

01:01:19.720 conserve today, but actually uncover and rediscover yesterday, going back and working back. So that's

01:01:29.080 why they've kind of dropped some, not all, but some on the right have dropped the conservative

01:01:33.900 label. Yeah. Something in what you were saying, Joel, I just wanted to give a pastoral individual

01:01:41.520 note. If your neighbor is an atheist and he's willing to have a relationship with you,

01:01:46.180 that is that that's not what we're talking about here right like until you determine that he is

01:01:53.280 rejecting the gospel avidly um if the lord has placed someone in your life who is an atheist

01:01:58.940 like james like i would have had no problem with michael a fallon saying look i just happened to

01:02:05.000 get along with james i'm going to share the gospel with him on an individual level i'll have him over

01:02:08.920 my house a couple times a year we'll grill you know in the summer great what we're talking about

01:02:13.780 here is making these guys central parts of the resistance effort and the movement and the fight

01:02:22.700 and i get it like we were desperate for people at the time we really the pastors most of the pastors

01:02:28.740 i i was not there yet you know it's it's to my shame that james lindsey was seeing these things

01:02:34.100 more clearly than i was back at that time right so i i understand why um on the other hand why

01:02:40.380 I wasn't O'Fallon partnering with Votie Bauckham, John Harris, people like that.

01:02:44.320 I don't know.

01:02:45.280 So, yeah, there are reasons why there was a co-belligerency at the time.

01:02:52.180 Whatever we want to say about that time, we're certainly past that time now.

01:02:55.580 This is no longer the same situation. 0.98

01:02:57.700 We have Christian men who are rising up, who are seeing clearly, who are speaking clearly. 1.00

01:03:02.780 Not as many as we would like, but certainly more than we had at the time.

01:03:05.980 Yeah.

01:03:06.360 So those are the guys who are using the woke right label.

01:03:09.960 Yep.

01:03:10.100 So Bill Maher and James Lindsay and now Jordan Peterson, apparently.

01:03:15.280 In terms of those who have been labeled woke right, it would be like the tweets that we

01:03:20.240 were using, Jack Krasobiec.

01:03:22.060 He would be an example.

01:03:23.880 Matt Walsh, apparently now, is being included underneath this banner.

01:03:29.040 Orin McIntyre, James Lindsay despises him and has labeled him woke right for at least

01:03:36.420 a year, if not longer, at this point.

01:03:38.500 And, you know, Orrin McIntyre was one of the speakers at our conference that we put on

01:03:43.080 recently, our Christ is King conference.

01:03:45.240 And I can assure you, talking with him, you know, both on stage and a panel, but also

01:03:50.440 behind the scenes privately, Orrin McIntyre is, he's just your traditionalist.

01:03:56.900 He's just, hey, let's just get back to our founding.

01:03:59.740 Orrin McIntyre loves the Constitution.

01:04:01.960 He just wants, you know, like he's not a revolutionary.

01:04:04.800 He's not a radical.

01:04:05.640 but that's you know when you're when you're assessing something those are some of the

01:04:10.120 questions i think that are helpful to ask some of the you know diagnostics to to tell whether or not

01:04:15.640 something is valid um okay so with your idea of woke right would george washington be woke right

01:04:22.960 right would um andrew jackson be woke right would john adams be woke right would thomas

01:04:29.720 jefferson be woke right and if james lindsey was honest the answer would be an emphatic yes

01:04:34.780 All of the founders of our country would absolutely, by James Lindsay's definition, be woke right.

01:04:44.580 They all thought in terms of group dynamics.

01:04:48.780 They all recognized distinctions and differences among peoples.

01:04:56.100 They, not so much Thomas Jefferson, he was a deist,

01:05:00.840 But in the case of George Washington and John Adams, they were devout Christians and didn't mince words in regards to their faith and saw themselves as building a Christian nation with a Christian founding.

01:05:21.120 All these things that James Lindsay decries, he wants you to think it's a bunch of fringe radicals that just cropped up overnight that our country is entirely foreign to, that we've never seen the likes of.

01:05:43.420 a bunch of neo-Nazis who want to just destroy the West

01:05:49.900 and want to raise a monarchy and dismantle.

01:05:56.120 He's not being honest.

01:05:59.080 When he says woke right, he means anybody before the 1980s.

01:06:06.120 Yeah, pretty much.

01:06:07.500 That's what he means.

01:06:08.060 Yep. Yep. Which is, I mean, that's even within his, his lifespan. It's not like we're going back

01:06:15.740 into portions of history that are so long ago that they've been lost to time and forgotten.

01:06:22.540 We're not even going back that far. These are perspectives that, okay, if you want to go back

01:06:28.040 to the founding, great, but they've been in America, predominant ideas much more recently

01:06:33.180 than that. Not that long ago, not that long ago. And one of the, one of the things that I've called

01:06:39.200 our time, and I hope it's changing, but I've called the time that we live in the time of the

01:06:43.620 great forgetting. We have forgotten so much about our country, our nation, how we used to be.

01:06:51.620 The only encouragement to me is that if it can be forgotten that quickly, I'm hoping that it can be

01:06:58.180 remembered quickly as well by a group of motivated people who are committed to the truth and committed

01:07:03.100 to being active and vocal about the truth.

01:07:06.220 So, Joel, you know, there's another person

01:07:07.840 that has been claimed woke right as well.

01:07:10.880 That is our vice president, J.D. Vance.

01:07:13.480 Oh, yeah.

01:07:14.340 So apparently now even J.D. Vance is woke right.

01:07:17.240 Nate, let's show image number five,

01:07:19.720 and then we're going to go to the X clip,

01:07:23.580 the live one with Ilhan Omar.

01:07:26.360 So this is Jack Posobiec reacting to some guy,

01:07:30.520 Thomas Chatterton Williams,

01:07:31.520 who himself is reacting to what J.D. Vance said.

01:07:35.660 So Jack Posobiec says,

01:07:38.040 they're calling J.D. Vance woke right now too.

01:07:41.080 And Thomas Chatterton said this about a post

01:07:43.940 that Vice President Vance put on X.

01:07:48.300 He said, criticize her point.

01:07:50.060 This is Enelhan Omar's point,

01:07:51.460 which we're gonna listen to in just a second.

01:07:53.260 Criticize her point all you want.

01:07:55.080 This is not, quote, genocidal in the slightest.

01:07:58.040 The woke right is every bit as hyperbolic

01:08:00.140 as the people that they oppose.

01:08:01.520 Why did he say that?

01:08:02.760 Because J.D. Vance, in commenting on Ilhan Omar's interview, which we'll listen to, said this.

01:08:09.440 He said, this isn't just sick.

01:08:13.540 It's actual genocidal language.

01:08:15.920 So the vice president says that what Ilhan Omar was calling for and saying and talking about was genocidal language.

01:08:23.260 And then someone took him to task. 0.87

01:08:24.740 You're just woke right.

01:08:25.740 That's not genocidal.

01:08:26.620 and Jack Posobiec pointed out the great irony

01:08:29.720 that apparently woke right is so widespread

01:08:32.600 that it is even the vice president of the United States

01:08:36.000 is woke right now too.

01:08:37.500 It is worth playing though this clip

01:08:39.620 that the president was,

01:08:41.280 the vice president was talking about.

01:08:43.620 So this is an interview with Representative Ilhan Omar

01:08:49.420 and it pains me to have to put that title

01:08:52.380 in front of her name.

01:08:53.580 But Nate, if you've got that clip,

01:08:55.440 we'll go ahead and roll.

01:08:56.080 I would say our country should be more fearful of white men across our country because they 0.97

01:09:04.640 are actually causing most of the deaths within this country. 0.93

01:09:10.620 We should be profiling, monitoring and creating policies to fight the radicalization of white 0.59

01:09:19.400 men. 0.95

01:09:20.400 deport it's we should be deporting oh my word omar yeah that uh cj angle raised a good point

01:09:32.820 i saw him um a post on x recently where he was retweeting that that clip that you just saw

01:09:39.360 and he said uh just a friendly you know daily reminder that ilhan omar um that she immigrated

01:09:48.260 to the u.s legally she attained citizenship in the u.s legally and she also was elected to civil

01:09:57.800 office in the u.s legally and so for everyone who's like you know like uh no more illegal

01:10:05.240 immigration but uh but even more legal like no um it is it is worth noting yeah that you have

01:10:14.020 a woman holding a high civil office in our country who is a foreigner. One, she's a woman. 0.88

01:10:23.600 Two, she's a foreigner. And three, she is asserting that white men who make up a sizable

01:10:33.920 portion of the native population of this country, that they're a threat to the safety 0.94

01:10:43.440 of the citizens of this country 1.00

01:10:45.800 and that they should be profiled and monitored.

01:10:48.720 And it seems as though she's implying surveilled

01:10:51.340 and that even political action

01:10:53.540 should be taken against them. 0.94

01:10:56.160 We are a country that is dominated 1.00

01:10:59.760 and ruled by foreigners. 1.00

01:11:02.200 We are ruled by foreigners. 0.99

01:11:04.060 We are ruled by geriatrics. 1.00

01:11:07.020 We are ruled by... 1.00

01:11:09.640 Women and children. 1.00

01:11:10.320 A gynocracy of women 0.72

01:11:12.240 and then also by children, we don't, I mean, J.D. Vance stands out not just because of some of his

01:11:19.500 views, common sense views, but you know another reason J.D. Vance stands out? Because he's one

01:11:29.000 of the only significant politicians who's who's a white male under the age of 140 you know like i

01:11:42.600 mean that's that's what we have we have women in leadership children in leadership foreigners in

01:11:47.960 leadership and then yeah oh we have white men leading yeah like mitch mitch o'connell like right

01:11:53.980 Like they're literally having a stroke at the podium as they're speaking because they're 140 years old.

01:12:03.480 So to have one white male, heterosexual white male, in any meaningful position of power under the age of 80 is actually somewhat rare.

01:12:16.580 And you're talking about a country that is still 60% white people, and yet we're saying that this is somewhat rare.

01:12:28.540 That's extraordinary.

01:12:31.260 So J.D. Vance is woke right.

01:12:33.720 So that really, for anybody who's one of you, so who's the rest of the woke?

01:12:37.220 Tucker Carlson.

01:12:38.220 Tucker Carlson.

01:12:38.840 James Lindsay said Tucker Carlson is woke right.

01:12:41.740 There are people saying that J.D. Vance is woke right.

01:12:44.540 Matt Walsh, woke right.

01:12:46.580 Jack Prasobiak, woke right, Warren McIntyre, woke right, pretty much, again, anybody, if you're

01:12:53.140 trying to define it, it'd be anybody who thinks in any cultural, political, or religious terms

01:12:58.940 before the 1980s. Right. Woke right. Right. Right. So basically anyone who is in any way

01:13:07.440 paleoconservative. Correct. Yeah. Yeah. If you think of the father of woke rightness, 1.00

01:13:13.720 at least modern day woke right.

01:13:16.420 It would be Pat Buchanan.

01:13:18.020 They for sure would say that Pat Buchanan was woke right

01:13:22.260 because he had the audacity to push back

01:13:25.940 on certain mainline consensus historical views.

01:13:31.660 And he also saw America as an actual nation,

01:13:37.580 an actual country, people and place,

01:13:40.120 and not merely a propositional nation,

01:13:42.300 not merely an idea.

01:13:43.720 uh, but a people, particular people in a particular place. Uh, so anybody who thinks in

01:13:48.660 those terms, who thinks that, um, that nationhood, uh, actually exists, that it's actually a thing

01:13:55.880 that's just not, it's not merely a set of propositions, but, uh, that, that there are

01:14:00.640 actual nations that represent people and places and that you can't just, you know, that people

01:14:08.040 are not like widgets you can't just switch them out um you know like when when when somebody's

01:14:14.280 saying the woke right uh their view of the world is that there are americans and i've said it before

01:14:19.740 i'll say it again potential americans right so who lives in india 1.3 billion potential americans

01:14:26.580 that's that's who lives in india um these are people who think that you can simply move here

01:14:33.460 touch the magic soil and repeat the magical incantation you know the words repeat you know

01:14:41.500 the declaration of independence and affirm the constitution and presto uh that all of a sudden

01:14:48.880 like like a spell was cast that you become as american as apple pie you're just as american

01:14:55.360 as george washington um ilhan omar and michael you might disagree with me on on this point and

01:15:02.480 feel free to push back um ilhan omar in my assessment is not an american i would say

01:15:10.720 we have a problem because that word means two things now yes it means a legal citizen of america

01:15:18.180 so in that sense we have granted her the right of being an american legally but no like as a people

01:15:25.160 no she is not no no and and the problem is most people this is how far we've come most people when

01:15:33.580 you say is she an american they're not thinking of is is she part of the people of america most

01:15:40.660 people their default way of thinking about the organization of a people in a place is the

01:15:47.020 political um reality the governmental system and the uh the legal citizenship question that's what

01:15:56.240 most people default to very few people um is their first inclination when they think of what you know

01:16:02.860 an american do they think of the the people that who have been here for a long time the culture

01:16:08.040 the lineage the ancestry all they think of is are they legally citizens of america and that's part

01:16:14.780 of the problem like we need to change the perception even of when we say is she an american

01:16:19.520 it would be obvious if you line it up with you know land lineage all of those things no she's not 0.84

01:16:27.460 but because our first inclination is to default to the only category that matters is a legal

01:16:32.660 declaration of citizenship and and apparently you're good and and that's what i mean when i

01:16:38.360 say that there's only two categories of people yep on the planet um americans and potential

01:16:44.340 americans because if that's what ultimately um suffices for being an american is just attaining

01:16:53.620 anyone who attains american citizenship and that is pretty much how we define it these days that's

01:16:59.300 not how it was always defined but but in our our modern sensibilities uh in the name of liberalism

01:17:06.060 that's how we've defined it is pretty much anybody who attains american citizenship

01:17:10.420 is an american well by that definition then then every non-current non-american um is a potential

01:17:18.940 american right there's not one person on the planet who does not have the potential

01:17:24.600 to become an american right at the drop of a hat whereas i would say no um i i will never ever ever

01:17:33.880 ever be a somalian right even if i wanted to and lord knows i don't right lord knows i don't but if

01:17:41.500 i did i got hit on the head really really hard by ilhan omar or something i don't know something

01:17:46.560 happened um it's not just that i don't have a desire it's an impossibility that's right i will

01:17:52.520 never be somalian i will never be pakistani i i will never be um sudanese i i i'm because i'm not

01:18:01.040 because to be a particular people means something.

01:18:06.680 It means something.

01:18:07.740 Now, that's not to say that someone who's immigrated here, 1.00

01:18:10.820 now, we need to stop immigration, 0.98

01:18:13.100 both illegally and legally. 0.98

01:18:15.160 Right. 1.00

01:18:15.440 And we need to deport, 1.00

01:18:17.540 preferably about 100 million people, 0.96

01:18:20.020 but I know that's not going to happen,

01:18:21.220 at least 30 to 40.

01:18:22.860 And that would just get us back,

01:18:24.400 that would just be turning back the clock four years.

01:18:27.320 Yeah, yeah.

01:18:27.700 Not 40, four years.

01:18:29.360 That's where that would get us.

01:18:31.580 30 to 40 million would just be going back, you know, pre-Biden administration.

01:18:37.340 But if we could somehow deport a bunch of people and stop both legal and certainly illegal

01:18:44.260 immigration, then those who are here legally and have been here longer than, you know,

01:18:51.720 15 minutes, those who immigrated here 20, 30 years ago from India or wherever it may

01:18:58.280 be i would argue that they too first generation immigrants uh that they will never be american

01:19:05.000 in the truest sense of what it is that doesn't mean they're not an american citizen but they

01:19:10.240 will never be an american in the truest sense of the word particular people in particular place

01:19:14.880 however that's not to say that their line would never produce eventually true americans because

01:19:23.360 that's how people are forged that's how people have always been forged no nation is permanently

01:19:29.800 static yep now there are a lot of nations that aren't suicidal like ours so so there's you know

01:19:36.580 a lot more you know solidarity and and stability than our nation has experienced in the last 50

01:19:44.800 years certainly the last five years um so there are a lot of nations that they're not static no

01:19:50.360 nation is static but there are a lot a lot of nations that are at least more stabilized right

01:19:54.660 they actually have borders they actually practice you know uphold their borders and they don't let

01:19:59.140 in floods and floods and floods of immigrants right um but but my point is that you know

01:20:04.480 historically speaking no nation is perfectly static and what i mean by that is that every

01:20:10.060 nation is within within reason every nation is in flux every nation has people that leave

01:20:17.460 and every nation has people that come and when someone comes immigrates legally to a nation

01:20:24.240 traditionally they would assimilate they wouldn't just start enclaves of you know and here we have

01:20:33.340 a a somalian you know camp within within america no they would they would spread out

01:20:41.540 they would assimilate they would learn the language learn the customs um in many cases

01:20:46.700 especially when you think of Israel according to the old covenant people would convert you know

01:20:52.340 they would actually become worshipers of Yahweh they would convert religiously they would intermarry

01:21:00.760 over time eventually they would intermarry and and so so then eventually like when you're thinking

01:21:06.820 of David who becomes you know the king of Israel the second king in its history after Saul who

01:21:13.100 ultimately failed. So David, who's in many ways, I mean, he's the quintessential king in all of

01:21:18.420 Israel's history of kings, a man after God's own heart. And he is, in every sense of the word,

01:21:26.720 a true Israelite. And yet in his lineage, he has Ruth. Ruth marries Boaz. They have a son,

01:21:35.260 Obed. Obed begets Jesse, and Jesse begets David. But by the time you get to David,

01:21:41.240 It's not even, you know, 50 generations.

01:21:44.400 It's like three, you know, to Obed, to Jesse, to David.

01:21:49.200 But by the time you get to that third generation, third and fourth generation, what you have 1.00

01:21:55.120 at that point, because Ruth doesn't notice, she's a Moabite. 0.92

01:21:59.120 Number one, she doesn't bring in her Moabite idols and false gods and continue to worship 0.91

01:22:04.680 them. 0.87

01:22:05.620 She says, your God will be my God and your people will be my people. 0.99

01:22:08.300 and she doesn't come in with her Moabite husband and with 50,000 other Moabites and then set up 0.94

01:22:14.760 camp right in the middle of Israel where they never even learn how to speak Hebrew and keep

01:22:20.460 their own language and their own liturgies, their own religion, their own customs, their own culture, 0.80

01:22:25.620 their own... And no, she comes in, number one, through intermarriage. She marries an Israelite, 0.56

01:22:32.320 boaz so she marries an israelite and then her children her child obed is 50 israelite and then

01:22:42.020 you have 75 with jesse and then you have 87.5 with david so by the time you get to david 0.54

01:22:50.180 he doesn't he's not a moabite right no not in any sense no he probably doesn't even

01:22:57.160 have much knowledge about moab's customs or culture or language probably doesn't even speak

01:23:03.420 whatever language ruth previously spoke uh he certainly doesn't worship moabite gods he's not

01:23:08.440 moabite in any religious sense he is a true blue red-blooded israelite and every and and therefore

01:23:15.440 he's fit to rule ilhan omar is not david do you see the difference audience there's a difference

01:23:24.260 and someone coming in legally 80 years ago

01:23:27.820 and their great-grandchild being elected in civil office.

01:23:33.320 That's very different than somebody coming,

01:23:35.740 even if it's legal, as it was with Ilhan Omar,

01:23:38.520 but someone coming legally, first generation,

01:23:42.140 and hating all the males of the hegemony 0.63

01:23:47.480 of the native population of the country she's come to

01:23:50.120 and then being exalted into a high civil office.

01:23:53.440 right all in one lifetime in one generation yeah do you not see how insane yeah that is i mean and

01:24:00.320 you use the word suicidal self-destructive that um she she it's not like she came and she loved

01:24:08.200 america so much and you know her parents fled communism or she fled communism and so she was

01:24:14.960 just so indebted and she wants to embody the the spirit and the soul of everything that america is

01:24:19.680 no she hates this country yeah right like on top of all of that she hates this country

01:24:24.880 and and one of the things that we have to to just realize is the time that we live in and i don't

01:24:30.160 have any great answers i mean we we want you know many many deportations and the reality is that's

01:24:36.280 probably not going to happen anytime probably not so all of this you know we we get that there's not

01:24:42.080 great answers but one of the things we just have to realize is nations have always been somewhat

01:24:47.240 static but what we're dealing with right now is a super compressed time frame and a huge number 0.95

01:24:56.360 of um you know immigrants in intermarrying and intermixing not even intermarrying but this is 0.98

01:25:03.300 at a rate and an amount that supersedes anything that happened in history right right um even when 0.60

01:25:09.720 it was at low slower speeds well the only time real quick that it ever happened in history

01:25:14.280 and my knowledge is when a nation was conquered that's right yeah and i would say in many ways

01:25:20.900 our nation is being conquered yeah i was going to say even in history when there were lower rates

01:25:26.780 of intermixing you know it happened in england there were multiple there were like five or six

01:25:31.420 different peoples that formed together to to create the english people that we know of today

01:25:36.940 but that happened over hundreds and hundreds of years and the amount of people was much much lower

01:25:43.440 And even then, it was tumultuous.

01:25:47.140 There was strife and conflict and chaos.

01:25:49.660 And that's part of our nation's history.

01:25:50.840 And we're not neglecting that.

01:25:52.660 We had waves of immigration,

01:25:54.800 not necessarily right at the beginning from the founding,

01:25:57.440 but we did have those periods early on.

01:26:00.040 We had the period where all the Irish came. 1.00

01:26:02.340 And guess what? 1.00

01:26:03.220 The Irish were a problem. 1.00

01:26:04.660 Yep. 1.00

01:26:05.420 But my point is- 0.99

01:26:06.320 And then we had the Italians. 1.00

01:26:07.880 Even those waves were more, I think, 0.95

01:26:10.920 than historically would have happened in continental Europe.

01:26:13.720 Right.

01:26:14.080 Which has led to, in some ways,

01:26:18.560 we are exponentially less sure of who we are as a people now

01:26:23.400 than we were at the beginning,

01:26:24.820 which you would think over time,

01:26:26.640 the identity of a people would be congealing and coalescing.

01:26:29.340 It would be solidified.

01:26:30.000 Yes, but we are going the exact opposite direction

01:26:32.660 at an increasingly fast speed.

01:26:34.820 Exactly. 0.89

01:26:35.280 So that was my point in bringing up the example of the Irish

01:26:38.200 and then the Italians was to say that

01:26:40.780 Those, at the time, posed massive challenges as well.

01:26:46.000 A big part of that being not just the different peoples and customs, but also religion, because America, its founding, was distinctly not just Christian, but Protestant, an Anglo-Protestant culture.

01:26:57.940 That is the founding culture of these United States, is an Anglo, so not just Western, right?

01:27:04.020 It's certainly Western, but it's a particular subset of Western society, Anglo, British.

01:27:09.160 and not just Anglo, but on the religious side,

01:27:14.160 not just Christian, but Protestant.

01:27:15.640 So we were an Anglo-Protestant country.

01:27:18.060 That's our founding. 1.00

01:27:19.260 So Italians were challenging. 1.00

01:27:21.620 Why? 1.00

01:27:22.300 Because they were Catholic, right? 0.86

01:27:24.200 That was part of the reason. 1.00

01:27:25.840 And when the Italians came, there were problems. 0.92

01:27:28.560 What did the Italians do? 0.98

01:27:29.960 Well, crying. 0.99

01:27:32.560 They became mob bosses in New York, right? 1.00

01:27:35.520 Like, the Italians didn't necessarily assimilate super well initially. 0.99

01:27:43.020 And so I'm just saying that this is part of our history that we've had.

01:27:47.740 So we're not pretending that, you know, we've just had this stable country with, you know, with this homogenous stock from the very beginning. 0.58

01:27:57.580 And then all of a sudden, you know, there's this, you know, the floodgates have been opened. 0.50

01:28:02.080 And no, we recognize that, I mean, it is unique when a country, you know, it's different than European countries.

01:28:08.920 When you literally discover a massive land mass, it's just different.

01:28:15.380 It's just different.

01:28:16.160 People, you know, because we actually needed people to come.

01:28:19.680 We needed waves of people to come because at that point, they weren't just immigrants.

01:28:25.880 They were settlers.

01:28:27.400 They weren't just coming to inherit something that was already constructed and built and going to be extended and given to them, but they were going to come for opportunity to build something.

01:28:37.780 And people still use that language and say, well, that's what we're doing today.

01:28:40.200 We're coming for opportunity.

01:28:41.660 Yeah, you're coming for the opportunity to take somebody else's stuff.

01:28:45.960 That's different.

01:28:46.840 You know, people initially with the first waves of immigration and the founding of our nation, they were coming to pioneer, you know, the wilderness.

01:28:58.440 To lose half your kids. 0.99

01:28:59.700 Yeah, half your kids dying to get dysentery, you know, to be killed by indigenous peoples who worship false demon gods, you know. 1.00

01:29:07.900 And if they were fortunate and favored by God, then maybe with their bare hands to build a cabin in the middle of the woods, hope to not be eaten by wild animals, and they might live long enough for their posterity to eventually grow old and have children of their own. 1.00

01:29:27.760 That's not where we are anymore, right?

01:29:29.900 America is closed.

01:29:32.700 There are no—we have not had a settler. 1.00

01:29:35.860 All we have is immigrants. 0.91

01:29:37.240 Initially, we had settlers. 0.87

01:29:39.060 And even with the immigrants and ways of immigration historically, 0.99

01:29:43.260 what America would do is it would ingest a bunch of Irish or a bunch of Italians, 0.99

01:29:48.780 but there would be room to breathe. 0.94

01:29:51.780 There would be pauses in between,

01:29:54.120 and there would be time allotted for assimilation to take place.

01:29:57.580 But when it's just wave after wave after wave after wave,

01:30:00.420 and you can't catch your breath,

01:30:01.740 and it's not just from European nations like Italy or Ireland,

01:30:05.860 But it's Somalia, and it's Haiti, and it's India, and it's all over, and it's third world countries, and it's different languages, and it's different religions, not just Catholic and Protestant, but where it's now Christian and voodoo. 0.74

01:30:23.280 And you have them coming in and coming in in waves and masses and setting up enclaves with no intent of ever, ever assimilating. 0.95

01:30:35.400 And all of this on taxpayers dying, right?

01:30:39.200 Not settlers who coming to a new frontier in order to build something for themselves, but to take an inheritance that was accrued by someone else.

01:30:47.960 That is a nation that is in the process of committing suicide.

01:30:52.020 And there's two other things, too.

01:30:55.640 Something just clicked for me today.

01:30:57.060 I don't know why this never clicked for me,

01:30:58.460 but representation in the federal government

01:31:01.720 is not based on the number of voters in a district or in a state.

01:31:06.400 It's based on the total number of people living there.

01:31:09.420 And so one of the reasons why immigration has been pushed so strongly

01:31:14.020 is to get places like California to have just more masses of people living there.

01:31:18.760 So when they knock on the door and they say,

01:31:20.080 how many are here and they say there's 24 of us here right california gets more representation

01:31:25.220 um in the federal elections they get more of the electoral yes yeah and and but not only that they

01:31:32.160 get more apportioned apportionment of the house of representatives right like the senate doesn't

01:31:36.900 change but um the electoral vote percentage and the representatives does and the second thing is

01:31:42.660 and i don't i don't know the history here but i'm guessing we didn't have very many first generation

01:31:49.280 immigrants when the italians were coming over and the irish were coming over and the chinese were

01:31:54.600 coming over from the west who were immediately being elected to federal office correct and the

01:32:00.500 fact that that is now a possibility and not only that but there's money and whole communities who

01:32:06.840 are willing to elect these first generation immigrants into political office is totally

01:32:12.300 different than the way it used to be as well right agreed um have we gone to our last commercial

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01:35:09.500 All right, welcome back.

01:35:11.320 We are going to wrap up here and land the plane. 0.99

01:35:14.700 I want to acknowledge some of the Super Chats.

01:35:16.680 Thanks so much.

01:35:17.440 I know Joel said it before the break,

01:35:18.740 but I really appreciate all of your generosity

01:35:21.200 and encouragement and also just the fact

01:35:25.060 that it is a support, a practical means

01:35:27.920 that keeps us able to do what we are doing.

01:35:30.300 So this is from Michael, Super Chat, 1352.

01:35:32.980 Thanks very much.

01:35:34.380 Joan of Park was robbed.

01:35:35.780 She was doxxed, and verbal assault attempts made upon her and her child,

01:35:39.960 her life, and her children's lives are being threatened. 0.53

01:35:42.700 Yes, she deserves sympathy, not the migrant and the thief.

01:35:46.360 Yeah, so we would agree that the sympathy ought to be placed with her,

01:35:51.120 not with this so-called victim who was stealing out of her purse.

01:35:55.200 Absolutely, and that's why we, just like Matt Walsh,

01:35:58.940 and we shared his take on Shiloh Hendricks

01:36:02.360 and saying that we agree with the GoFundMe

01:36:05.380 and supporting her that doxing for this type of issue

01:36:09.960 with racial tensions being as high

01:36:11.600 as they are currently in our nation

01:36:13.300 and doxing to that degree of social security number

01:36:16.980 and address and school and extended family members

01:36:19.500 and all these things really is in many ways

01:36:21.900 tantamount to murder.

01:36:23.100 It's putting a hit out and saying, 1.00

01:36:25.600 hey, open season, somebody go and rough her up,

01:36:28.100 rough up her son, you know? 1.00

01:36:29.560 And if you get a little too rough

01:36:31.760 and maybe one of them die, then, you know, so be it.

01:36:34.680 I mean, that is what it is.

01:36:36.200 And so to be sympathetic toward her

01:36:39.360 and even give financially towards the campaign

01:36:42.620 and all those kinds of things

01:36:43.660 and to show your sympathy through financial generosity,

01:36:47.780 we support 100% and we've never said otherwise.

01:36:50.720 Yep.

01:36:52.100 We have two from Earl Starbuck.

01:36:53.780 Thanks very much.

01:36:54.620 First one, $5.

01:36:56.000 He says, Peterson puzzles me as he's an honest, decent man.

01:36:59.560 Lindsay, I distrust.

01:37:00.660 He is anti-woke.

01:37:01.480 structure but still a hard leftist on cultural and social issues yep agreed and um earl starbucks

01:37:08.260 second one thanks very much um two dollars he says we need a 50-year moratorium on immigration

01:37:12.900 that was stephen wolf's uh solution um i said in my book biblically here on the table i said we

01:37:19.140 might need like two generations right or a couple of generations and biblically a generation's 40

01:37:24.600 years so i i tend to think 50 is a nice number in our 100 year cycle but it might it might need

01:37:30.500 to be longer yeah maybe 80 years yeah and history does kind of seem to have this 80 year pattern

01:37:35.440 yeah like you go 80 years back from here like it's like every 80 years it seems like there's

01:37:41.320 some kind of catastrophic major um historic event so you go back 80 years and you have you know

01:37:47.380 world war ii yep i go back 80 years from that you have the civil war go back 80 years from that you

01:37:52.340 have the war for independence um and um and we're kind of at that 80 year mark and i would not be

01:37:58.340 surprised certainly not um prescribing it not hoping for it but in terms of predicting not what

01:38:04.900 i want but what what may be the case uh we do seem like like the the deck is is set and ripe

01:38:13.180 um for some kind of significant moment that um that that may be um maybe messy and it seems like

01:38:22.480 when you read judges that seems to be about the pattern it was kind of a two-year rotating cycle

01:38:27.440 One generation would get judged, then the next generation would forget,

01:38:31.840 and then they would need judgment again.

01:38:33.540 And that does seem to be kind of, even in the Old Covenant Israel,

01:38:38.720 a more or less loose pattern that we see there as well.

01:38:42.140 Yep.

01:38:43.020 Okay, this is one from Ninja5150.

01:38:45.960 Good to see you again, Ninja.

01:38:47.060 Yeah, good to see you.

01:38:47.840 You've been in the chat before.

01:38:49.000 We appreciate you. 0.97

01:38:50.560 He or she said, is it a she? 1.00

01:38:54.100 Okay, we're going to go with she. 1.00

01:38:56.420 If you're a he, I apologize. 1.00

01:38:58.700 But she said, Pastor Joel, with all due respect, 1.00

01:39:03.480 I'm a first-generation immigrant, and I am more patriotic,

01:39:07.100 more knowledgeable of USA history than most white women

01:39:11.260 and some white men counterparts.

01:39:15.200 Also, the next comment was, I renounce my Mexican citizenship

01:39:18.440 to come here and become an American, to gain an American citizenship.

01:39:21.920 So I respect that.

01:39:23.000 I appreciate that, that renouncing.

01:39:25.080 Ruth was not keeping one foot in each of these two camps of Moab in Israel.

01:39:31.580 She doesn't say, your people will be my people in addition to the Moabites,

01:39:36.080 and your God will, I'll put him on the shelf in the pantheon of all my false Moabite gods. 0.93

01:39:41.500 There wasn't just her laying claim to Israel, Israel's God and her people, 0.97

01:39:48.520 but it was also simultaneously a renouncing of her previous false gods. 0.60

01:39:54.780 and her idolatrous people.

01:39:57.980 And so I do respect that.

01:39:59.800 I appreciate you saying,

01:40:00.800 no, I'm all in on America.

01:40:04.360 And the fact that you're patriotic,

01:40:05.760 that you love this country,

01:40:07.260 that you let go of your previous country,

01:40:09.940 and that you've taken the time to study

01:40:12.100 and become knowledgeable

01:40:13.080 about this country's heritage and its history,

01:40:16.360 I think all those things are wonderful.

01:40:19.320 And the only thing that I can think,

01:40:22.240 because it seems like your comment is an objection to something that I said.

01:40:26.260 Well, you said that Ilhan Omar would never be an American. 0.65

01:40:29.900 Correct.

01:40:30.480 So if that's what you're objecting to,

01:40:32.560 then I just want to say from the bottom of my heart,

01:40:35.540 I appreciate your comment.

01:40:36.960 I appreciate you.

01:40:39.020 And what I said about Ilhan Omar still stands.

01:40:43.620 And because I'm not going to have unequal weights and unequal measures,

01:40:47.840 and I want to apply that consistently across the board,

01:40:51.140 yes, I would apply that also to you. If you are first generation, then in the sense that I'm

01:40:58.540 using the term, in the truest sense, the deepest sense, you are not American, and you will never 1.00

01:41:05.720 be an American. That does not mean that you're not an American citizen. That doesn't mean that

01:41:11.100 you should not have certain rights and privileges and protection under the law. It certainly doesn't

01:41:18.120 mean, even if you weren't here, even if you were still in Mexico, but you're a Christian sister

01:41:22.180 in the Lord, then certainly in the eternal and ultimate spiritual sense, then you're a co-heir

01:41:29.600 in grace with equal dignity and eternal value in the sight of God. That applies to all people,

01:41:37.320 all Christians across the globe, regardless of where their citizenship is, regardless of their

01:41:41.960 place of birth so in the ultimate spiritual sense sister and christ equal in the legal

01:41:49.160 and modern day sense of american citizenship and the way that that works also equal equal rights

01:41:57.140 privileges and protections under the law as it pertains to u.s citizens in the heritage sense

01:42:04.720 of actual nationality and ethnicity and people and place a nation actually being people and place

01:42:15.000 and not just an ascent to certain history facts and not even just an ascent to a particular set

01:42:23.340 of affections and and loves i believe you when you say you love america and i believe you when

01:42:29.940 you say, you know, America, her history and her heritage and her laws and these kinds of things

01:42:36.320 and customs. So I believe you in terms of your claim towards knowledge. And in that comment,

01:42:42.100 I detect two things, a claim towards knowledge and a claim towards love and affection. And I'm

01:42:48.760 not discounting either of those. And both of those things actually do matter. They matter very much

01:42:53.560 to me. And we're very thankful for those. We're thankful for that. Yep. I'm thankful for every

01:42:58.520 first-generation immigrant who's like you, who has taken the time to get to know America,

01:43:06.740 who has renounced their standing and citizenship in their prior country, that has pledged their

01:43:12.680 allegiance to this country, and who has affection and love for this country. That's very similar to

01:43:19.020 Ruth. And so I would just say to you exactly what I believe the Bible expresses towards Ruth,

01:43:24.840 that your great-grandson could be president of this nation

01:43:31.340 and be a man after God's own heart

01:43:33.800 and be the best president in our history,

01:43:36.400 but not you.

01:43:39.580 That's all I'm saying.

01:43:40.680 No disrespect.

01:43:42.520 You have my appreciation.

01:43:44.080 You have my thanks.

01:43:45.540 But to be an American in the truest sense

01:43:48.380 of people and place, it has to mean something.

01:43:52.000 And this is the problem,

01:43:53.500 is that if we make exceptions for the people who think like us, because you are, you don't just

01:44:00.760 think like us, from what I can tell, you're a Christian. So you're my sister in Christ. So

01:44:05.080 everything in me, every inclination is to say, we're the same. And we are the same in the terms

01:44:12.360 of common grace, image bearers of God. We're the same in terms of special grace as brother and

01:44:18.300 sister in the lord um and we're the same in the sense of equality under the law as citizens of

01:44:25.300 this country but we are not the same in the terms of um particular peoples yeah i'm an american

01:44:32.740 by um by birth and lineage right and you are not and um and that's okay yep that's okay but being

01:44:43.440 American has to mean more than just, I memorized the Declaration of Independence, and I love this

01:44:49.820 country more than the one I left. And to be frank, and I don't mean any disrespect, but if I left

01:44:55.020 Mexico, I would love this country more than Mexico too. Kind of hard not to. Having lived around the

01:45:03.500 world, I guarantee you that Ruth, even though she cleaved to Israel, I guarantee you when she got 0.64

01:45:09.320 pregnant she craved foods that she couldn't get that were midianite foods because that's just her

01:45:15.440 biological chemistry right i guarantee you there were certain times of the year where she said

01:45:20.180 and i bet my family back in midian is doing this this time of year this is their cultural thing

01:45:25.920 right and and it's not even it's not even bad that she would have been wistful or or had those

01:45:32.240 cravings for that food nostalgic all those things um none of that's inherently sinful no and it's

01:45:38.040 totally understandable. In fact, it is normal because you're a product of where you were raised

01:45:41.740 and the people who raised you. So in a legal sense, American, yeah, we want as many of those

01:45:49.860 who have immigrated to America to love this country. And sadly, to our shame, you probably

01:45:55.740 love this country better than many, many of the people who were born here.

01:46:00.100 I believe that. Neither of us are, I want you to hear that. Neither of us are saying

01:46:04.920 uh that you're lying or that we don't believe you i i absolutely believe that you're more aware of

01:46:11.340 american history than most people in america who are 10th generation um yeah i believe you and that

01:46:18.900 you are more patriotic and more devoted to america than most americans who are 10th generation i

01:46:24.500 believe that also um absolutely and so in that sense um you are uh a very helpful co-belligerent

01:46:33.860 in the fight to save this country yep and um and in that sense we're grateful um but you are still

01:46:40.860 mexican right in terms of the people that in terms of your people yes american citizen yes um but but

01:46:48.820 also still mexican yeah and uh and we're just saying that nationality has to mean something

01:46:54.780 beyond just citizenship because that's a historic understanding and meaning of nationalities and if

01:47:02.040 we lose that then then there really is no sense of nationhood right and part of it is going to

01:47:09.240 be perceived as unfair because for many many decades in america all it took to be an american

01:47:14.720 was the legal yeah ronald reagan said that we are we are advocating for something different something

01:47:22.320 more natural for something more fundamental um and so there are going to be people who feel like

01:47:28.640 we're slighting them when we we recognize that you're on our side that you're that you're joining

01:47:32.940 us so that your children and your grandchildren can be truly american in their peoplehood not just

01:47:38.220 in their citizenship so we are in a time of transition where um you're going to think well

01:47:43.640 i'm getting picked on well no it's just we're trying to return to older definitions that's

01:47:47.760 right yeah nobody is picking on you um i i promise well i can't say nobody i guess i'm not everybody

01:47:55.160 but we are not picking on you.

01:47:57.020 But Michael's exactly right that when you're trying to repent

01:48:02.120 and you're trying to right the ship

01:48:04.520 and recalibrate previous wrongs,

01:48:07.500 you have to start somewhere.

01:48:09.260 And that always does feel like an injustice and unfair.

01:48:12.620 And it feels arbitrary.

01:48:13.580 Why is it this line and not a year ago?

01:48:16.280 Exactly, yeah, why now?

01:48:17.840 Like imagine that like you think of the last 80 years

01:48:21.720 and then you're the next person in line

01:48:23.820 And all of a sudden, you know, the standard changes right before your turn.

01:48:29.220 The height on the ride, right?

01:48:30.560 And you were in line for hours.

01:48:32.800 But what we're saying is that the height, you know,

01:48:35.620 must be this tall to ride the ride for the last 80 years, that that was wrong.

01:48:41.560 And it's actually been jeopardizing the roller coaster.

01:48:47.460 Now everybody who's on it is about to fly off the rails.

01:48:50.640 And so we have to change the rules.

01:48:53.680 And none of that is personal

01:48:56.000 and none of that bears any animosity

01:48:58.000 or hatred or anything like that.

01:49:00.720 Michael, do you want to keep going?

01:49:01.900 Okay, so a couple more Super Chats.

01:49:03.580 Thanks, Salty Sailor.

01:49:04.300 Always great to see you.

01:49:05.620 $5 Super Chat, thanks very much.

01:49:07.360 Says just great show as always, gents.

01:49:08.980 Appreciate you being here, Salty Sailor.

01:49:10.600 Thank you.

01:49:11.460 Eric again, or not Eric, Earl Starbuck.

01:49:14.060 $5 Super Chat, again, thanks very much.

01:49:16.480 Kind of continuing the discussion from previously says,

01:49:19.120 how about a constitutional amendment

01:49:20.420 stating that you must be a third generation citizen 0.96

01:49:22.760 to vote in elections or run for office state and federal that would be a great uh step in the right

01:49:28.500 direction that's what we've been arguing for um probably about a year now and uh and using kind

01:49:33.860 of a general equity principle from the civil code given to israel under the old covenant in the old

01:49:39.800 testament i believe it's in deuteronomy uh where there are certain rights and privileges particularly

01:49:45.200 as it pertains to worship and temple access that were forbidden from all those who were

01:49:52.520 first and second generation immigrants into Israel, that it was not until the third generation

01:49:58.060 that they were fully welcomed. And so that doesn't mean that in the meantime, that first

01:50:05.000 and second generation should be exploited or taken advantage of, because we also have clear

01:50:10.520 laws that are given to israel about how to treat the sojourner but first michael you've said this

01:50:15.480 several times and it's it's simple but insightful that uh the sojourner um was was always um meant

01:50:23.040 to be understood as someone who would eventually go back right they're sojournering through so

01:50:27.300 they're traveling means traveler right so they're in israel and among israel for a time and so long

01:50:33.620 as they're in israel there's a few things number one um they can't be exploited and taken advantage

01:50:38.640 by israel number two they have to abide by israel's laws right even the sabbath would apply

01:50:43.740 to the sojourners like well i'm a sojourner i don't even i don't even worship your god yeah

01:50:48.760 yeah but you're here tough bananas tough bananas we do worship our god and so um uh so you behave

01:50:54.820 as a guest and we um behave respectfully right so so this is not to say that until the third

01:51:01.140 generation right that you're just a sitting duck with a target on your chest right to be mistreated

01:51:06.740 and disrespected nobody's saying that um but uh it wasn't until the third generation that uh that

01:51:13.480 you had fully um elevated from that sojourner status to where you were now fully assimilated

01:51:20.040 into israel with all the rights and privileges and so that's that's what i would advocate for 0.96

01:51:25.840 is number one uh we absolutely need a full stop on immigration for 50 to 80 years as we've already 0.99

01:51:32.120 said but once we would pick back up and we know that's probably not going to happen but if if we 0.66

01:51:36.560 were king you know if we're in charge that's what we would do and then once it picked back up

01:51:41.000 um the the simple solution is that we'd simply have to have more categories right so there would

01:51:46.980 be some level of citizenship that would be available to those who um who legally immigrate

01:51:53.280 great to america and love america and and for us we would also want them to be christian and love

01:51:59.460 the lord jesus christ um and love our history and love our heritage and forsaking what they've left

01:52:04.780 That doesn't mean they hate what they left.

01:52:06.500 There can still be that affection and nostalgia,

01:52:08.940 but they're not just having one foot in two different camps.

01:52:12.720 There's a full move and departure from their previous home

01:52:17.220 and assimilation into America, 0.72

01:52:19.300 and then there would be some form of citizenship

01:52:21.880 that would be available to them.

01:52:24.100 And so they would be able to maintain that form of citizenship

01:52:26.980 that would give them certain rights and privileges and protections.

01:52:31.320 Yeah, legal, same weights and measures.

01:52:34.040 everything applied the same way beyond just a visa or even beyond a green card but then there

01:52:38.460 would be a fuller level of you know maybe you call it heritage citizenship you know um that

01:52:44.620 would uh that would have uh the highest and full uh rights and privileges and i would want to put

01:52:51.380 voting in that category and this you know i mean and holding civil office this has been done before

01:52:56.560 this is how rome was there was a different class in their society of of people who were citizens

01:53:02.680 The Apostle Paul was a citizen even by birth, right?

01:53:06.300 And that doesn't mean that everyone else couldn't work, couldn't live.

01:53:09.900 Like, they were even considered Romans in a sense, right?

01:53:12.640 But Paul was legally a citizen by birth, and some had to buy it.

01:53:17.080 That's kind of what you're saying here.

01:53:19.020 That's right.

01:53:19.640 Yep.

01:53:20.320 You want to keep going, Michael?

01:53:21.260 Okay, so we've got Jesse Hughes.

01:53:23.720 Thanks very much.

01:53:24.340 $2 from Jesse.

01:53:25.820 He says, law exam, study break, cookout, RRM, great evening.

01:53:30.340 Fantastic.

01:53:31.760 Very good.

01:53:32.680 And then we've got one more.

01:53:34.100 Dapper Dan.

01:53:34.820 Thanks very much, Dapper Dan, 499.

01:53:36.820 He says, would you support limiting the ability to vote

01:53:39.160 to married households over 30, where the man is over 30?

01:53:46.640 I have not ever thought about an age.

01:53:50.120 Biblically, it's a man leaves his father and his wife,

01:53:53.120 and that becomes, but property owning was always one

01:53:55.800 in the beginning of America.

01:53:57.620 So that might, property owning to me seems a little bit more of a,

01:54:01.360 well i don't know i don't know yeah for me i haven't thought about an age so for me uh age

01:54:06.140 wouldn't be necessary but i think i i see what he's getting at there and um he's looking for

01:54:11.220 mature people who sure yep yep i totally get that um i mean just the fact that you know um

01:54:17.780 you're legally old enough to go and die for your country uh three years before you're legally 0.94

01:54:22.740 allowed to uh have a beer yep is kind of yeah ridiculous um so carry your own gun you can 0.95

01:54:28.740 carry the government's gun but you can't carry your own gun so i get it in terms of like a 0.51

01:54:33.420 practical like pragmatic step because our nation is is so immature yeah um but i'd be hesitant to

01:54:40.720 put uh the age piece on it because uh what we want to work towards is more maturity um you know

01:54:46.800 there was a time where you know 12 year olds you know would would go hunting right you know on their

01:54:52.900 own right you know and and fully capable of responsible gun use right all these different

01:54:58.880 things and so uh but we both would agree in terms of uh married households right um because what

01:55:05.800 you're doing in that sense is you're saying this person has a stake in the future right

01:55:09.860 so you're not you're not holding it you're not withholding it to uh children because it is the

01:55:16.480 case that some people may not be able to have children right but you're saying those who are

01:55:21.480 married and what you're what you're assessing there and assuming there is uh that those who

01:55:27.380 are married heterosexual marriage the only kind that actually exists but is that they um that uh

01:55:34.520 if they don't have children it's not because they didn't want to right so these are people who um

01:55:39.600 are you know the building blocks of society of any nation and who are vested they have a vested

01:55:46.280 interest in the future of the country so uh holding uh the vote for those who are um married

01:55:54.060 households yes uh so it would be a household vote rather than an individual vote looking at the

01:55:59.420 molecule rather than the individual atom uh so then that bears the question of so which member

01:56:05.440 of the household is going to cast the vote right and so we would say the head of household and so

01:56:11.400 that should be the husband, father. 0.93

01:56:13.300 So we would reserve it for a married man of a household. 0.96

01:56:19.040 And then what we're kind of talking about

01:56:22.280 in this conversation of the episode today,

01:56:24.140 I think we would further say that that needs to be someone

01:56:28.020 who is at minimum third generation American,

01:56:32.780 third generation American.

01:56:34.060 So third generation American, male, married.

01:56:37.860 And to be clear, what we're saying is,

01:56:39.680 biblically general equity principle someone who is of the people of america by that point exactly

01:56:46.300 so we're not even saying third generation american these are this is their heritage yes

01:56:50.600 yes right and and what that does that so the married piece you're insinuating assuming children

01:56:56.480 so what you're saying is they have a stake in the future and the third generation is saying you have

01:57:00.740 a stake in the past yes this is a person who can look back and forward yes and says i care and i

01:57:06.680 a vested interest in america yeah both its history and its future yeah it's past and its future

01:57:12.840 that's that's what we're saying there and then we're treating as households which all that is

01:57:16.920 is representative government yep we already have um that element of we you know we understand

01:57:21.720 representative government there are plenty of people casting votes right about big decisions

01:57:26.840 right now and i don't get to cast an individual vote yep i got to vote for an elected official

01:57:32.440 But then that elected official then represents me and is voting on certain policies and certain budgets and certain decisions and certain laws, and I don't get to go and represent myself.

01:57:43.900 He represents me.

01:57:45.300 So this concept of representative government, that's our history.

01:57:50.980 The founders, none of them had anything positive to say about a raw democracy.

01:57:57.700 None of them.

01:57:58.280 universal suffrage has uh has had no good fruit so so the idea that we would be further represented

01:58:07.500 um even at the level of households is all we're advocating so married man uh third generation

01:58:14.100 american and the only last piece that i would want to add to that um i would be open to uh

01:58:19.640 property owning because that's just another element of having a stake in the country um

01:58:24.600 But what I would for sure add on that piece

01:58:28.680 is that they're not taking welfare.

01:58:32.360 Right.

01:58:33.180 So they're contributing and paying taxes

01:58:36.460 and not taking taxes.

01:58:38.500 Right.

01:58:39.020 So land owning was traditionally,

01:58:43.320 that was a part of our heritage.

01:58:44.980 But let's be honest,

01:58:46.380 it was a lot easier to own land.

01:58:48.420 It was much easier.

01:58:49.380 Much easier.

01:58:50.820 There are a lot of people who are heritage Americans

01:58:53.280 who pay their taxes are not on welfare our 10th generation have five children vested in the past

01:59:00.740 and in the future and literally just cannot literally cannot own a home and cannot have

01:59:06.960 family property passed down to them either without massive tax problems right that whole

01:59:11.680 with a 50 estate tax or something you know depending on the circumstances so um so i would

01:59:17.040 be willing to be flexible given the time and the conditions where we currently are and on the land

01:59:22.560 owning piece say tax paying and no no welfare welfare so male married third generation tax

01:59:31.780 paying no welfare and then the last piece that i would want is um a public profession of christian

01:59:37.400 faith that they're christian yeah um yeah those that's that's what i would look at for a a full

01:59:45.440 voting citizen with some kind of degree some measure of citizenship before that for first

01:59:52.880 and second generation right law abiding legal citizens immigrants so a lot of people are like

02:00:02.960 wow you're a radical but i'm telling you as the overton window continues to shift

02:00:07.300 it's pretty moderate position that we're articulating and uh and grounded in tradition

02:00:13.740 grounded in scripture and uh also grounded i think in reason and goodwill yeah so yep all right um

02:00:22.100 well that's all of our super chats and we're going to go ahead and wrap it up for today we hope that

02:00:27.480 you've been blessed by this conversation that you found it helpful and we will see you again

02:00:32.200 lord willing on friday thanks for tuning in

02:00:43.740 Thank you.

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