THE LIVESTREAM - Karmelo Anthony, White Flight, and the Bible Belt
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Summary
In this episode, the brother and sister duo of the discuss a recent incident involving a young black man and a young white man. They discuss the aftermath of the incident, the investigation, and the possible cover-up.
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all right good afternoon we are here good afternoon
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thank goodness we're back on the track uh wednesday was our first episode back in the
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studio since the conference monday we did a rerun uh we did well i mean it's kind of fitting with
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today's topic so we took an episode that got a lot of attention a lot of positive attention a lot
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of negative attention per usual something that was controversial that we don't necessarily think
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should be controversial but at the current stage of discourse where we're at as Americans it it is
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and so we did a replay of an episode that we did on genetics and the gospel and today we find
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ourselves with that you know just in the province of God we replayed that episode but here we are
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four days later that was monday's episode and now it's friday and we're going to be covering uh the
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recent stabbing that just occurred where a young black man stabbed a young white man in the heart
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and he quickly bled out and died in his twin brother's arms and we now have the black community
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um working as hard as they can to raise hundreds of thousands of dollars to get uh this young black
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man who has admitted to murdering a young white man out of prison because now this might shock
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you but because he's the real victim yeah so that's the framework for today's episode and
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wes you've prepared today's episode so we're going to let you go ahead and lead out just for clarity
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i think he's admitted to killing him right yes maybe not admitted to murdering him well yeah
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he's admitted to stabbing him in the heart um yes to be yeah to be fair uh we call that you know
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uh in this house we call that murder but uh yes he is admitted to that and that's where we are
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yep so this happened last thursday it happened a mere three hours about from where we are so this
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is in a suburb of dallas a little bit north of it in frisco texas and we're talking about i mean
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the greatest pastime in texas which is sports uh my goodness people love their sports here in texas
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And you had an event that, I mean, how many of these go down every single day?
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You have young athletes, young men especially, they're competing.
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Austin Metcalf had a number of offers already to D1 Colleges, who is a bright young man
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looking forward to a career, to a future, hopefully in sports.
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And then this happened, and the altercation as described by various witnesses, the best
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I can piece it together, is that there was a tent, and Austin believed it had been reserved
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and what happened was carmelo said uh don't touch me or you'll find out or you'll do something
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because he pushed him just because he asserted that the tent was his space so austin came in
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hey this is my space whatever it may be that do we know do we have any like validation if he laid
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hands on him so what happened was it sounds like he touched him like we're talking touching the
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shoulder did that to carmelo exactly the white man this is our tent yep or even a little bit of
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aggregation it was like don't touch me you'll find out and then he did touch him i see so the
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young black man he said don't touch me yeah yeah and then he touched it but it wasn't he didn't
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throw a punch nope yeah not that no we didn't throw a punch so we touched him and that is
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aggregating i think if you were to teach your sons you know discipline and self-control
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just in general be it your brothers at home be it other athletes uh you know someone says like
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don't touch me or all that's not the type of person to just mess with we're going to talk
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about prudence and wisdom later on and so in response to being touched several more words
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were offered but we're talking like in a matter of seconds yeah like this was not five minutes
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of back and forth and verbal parents are surrounding in a matter of 30 seconds Camarlo
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reaches in his bag pulls out a knife and as we explained in the cold open sounded like the audio
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wasn't quite working but he stabbed him in the heart and he bled out right there Camarlo ran
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away was quickly picked up by police um the witnesses identified him he like you said Michael
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he said yeah I did this but claims to be acting in self-defense and so this happened last Thursday
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obviously we had the conference and it's good with stories like these to also wait and see
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what kind of impact are they having how are people thinking about this what are they pulling away
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from it but they've pulled away from it kind of a story that's been running through our American
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ethos for a long time and that is the tension between blacks and whites and and the accusations
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If you remember, me and Michael were talking on the way over George Floyd.
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So George Floyd, you had this video, this cop kneeling on his neck.
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And what the black community did is they said, here it is.
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And what they did is they tied it to the larger trend.
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He's got being kneeled on by the cop, execution by the state.
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I mean, there were some, a number of individuals.
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They thought 10,000 some black men, unarmed black men were being killed by police in the
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Like when they would do man on the street interviews or whatever.
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Exactly. This is a pandemic. This is systemic. We are just being hunted. Now, really, it turned
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out the Washington Post did an analysis and the true number was 18. But this type of back and
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forth has happened again and again. It has been a central tension. And this stabbing and this
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incident was yet another case in a long list of, I think, egregences would be a good term for it,
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of one side looking at the other and say, we've received endless violence, endless assault,
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endless injustice on our end. And to be honest, and we'll get to this later in the episode,
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people might do something about it. And to kind of demonstrate how aware people are of the political
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and the racial ramifications of it, let's show this first video, Nate. This is from Anthony
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Carmelo's, or I'm sorry, Austin Metcalfe's father. 17-year-old Austin Metcalfe died in his twin
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brother's arms. His father, Jeff Metcalfe, is speaking out about the tragedy. And Jeff joins
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He goes to a track meet on Wednesday and is murdered.
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The answer is my son is gone and he'll never come home again.
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I want to clarify something right off the start because I've already heard some rumors and gossip.
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Please do not comment if you do not know what happened.
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This person made a bad choice and affected both his family and my family forever.
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It's a very unfortunate thing, but I know exactly what was happening.
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His brother was there who tried to save him, and he died in his arms.
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So if you weren't there, please don't don't spread rumors.
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His twin brother, Hunter, was there. And as we pointed out at the top of this, his twin brother tried to save him, couldn't save him.
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And Austin died in his arms. He spent the last moments of his life in his brother's arms as he went to to meet God.
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well the track name was being delayed uh each individual high schools had like their own
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little tents to go sit under and they were sitting under the memorial high school tent
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the individual was saying some words and they turned to him and said who are you and he said
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i'm mellow he said and he had a centennial track you sweat on he said hey man you're in the wrong
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spot you need to go sit with your team um words were then exchanged
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i'm not going to get into the exact details i know what my son told me
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but they asked him to move and when asking when austin grabbed his backpack to move
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take it he stabbed him in the chest and killed him oh my gosh
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so that's the the side from the father and we're not going to pick on the dad here that's an
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incredible loss and so i can't imagine yeah we would certainly and this has happened before so
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i can speak to it as a broader trend but you've had a lot of times happen where this has happened
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in england for example there will be a stabbing and it'll be someone that's an immigrant or a
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muslim and they're so quick to come out and say don't politicize this they've actually there's
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been different scenarios where it looked like they were even coached that the tragedy happened
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you have some type of police service or some type of NGO on the scene very quickly getting to the
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parents and saying you need to come out and need to be very clear you cannot make this about race
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don't say things that would be inflammatory because I think many of them sense in a way what
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we all kind of know tensions are high you can't bring in the millions of people that we brought
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into the United States and into Europe into Britain you can't bring those people in that
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that don't share our culture many of them not fit for civilized society you can't bring them in and
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expect there not to be resistance when there's fallout where were those ngos when lebron james
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was saying that he can't step outside of his front door without being hunted in the street as a black
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man by cops like to to come out and say don't make this about race when in 2013 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
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21 22 uh you you literally had in the reverse you had the black community being encouraged
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all the time by organizations by the media by politicians um to make everything about race
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like i remember woke wars one i remember 2020 i remember what it was said i remember being a part
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of acts 29 you know and pastors leaders in the movement um trying you know to to brainwash us
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with their propaganda and to give this impression that that there were just hundreds if not thousands
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you know some people said thousands of unarmed black men who were just you know just like a like
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a firing squad just you know just right there executed in the street by some white police
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officer and then we finally get the details and it's like 18 i think was the number 18 18 000 i'm
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sure no yeah no 18 18 and in many of those cases it was still debatable where somebody is is holding
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something that looks like a weapon right they're reaching into their glove compartment and not
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being compliant when the officer says put your hands behind your head and so we don't know and
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turns out there wasn't a gun but the officer doesn't know what he's reaching for what it is
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he's trying to grab um 18 but we were made to think that it was thousands that there was just
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this epidemic you know that it was genocide that it was literally that there was a black genocide
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that was happening in our country and that you know white people in general and white police
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officers in specific were the culprits and so it was constantly being uh encouraged to make it
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racial. But when a young white boy is stabbed in the heart by a young black boy, immediately it
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de-escalates. It has nothing to do with race. And sometimes Christianity is weaponized. Oh,
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you're a Christian? The Christian thing you have to do is to come out and to forgive and to wish
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no ill arm and wish that he'd be taken care of. They weaponize our own religion for the destruction
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of our heritage um two comments on this one i just want to steel man what the guy said because
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when i heard this interview the first time what i heard him saying was carmelo did not kill my son
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because my son is white right right so not that we are not um not that we're not supposed to ask
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questions about the nature of um the rift in the country but mainly i don't think this was a
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black on white sort of he killed him because he's white that's what i heard the first time
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like a hate crime category like i did this crime i admit to a category that shouldn't
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even exist right well it can exist like you can there's crime it's murder you know oh as far as
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like a greater a greater degree of penalty 100 what i'm saying is just yes it's it's it's oh
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well this is really bad no i agree with that no murder is murder theft is theft it's just it's
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just a crime yeah um i also heard on oran that west there is an actual government agency that
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goes around and coaches people um federally on these sorts of things and now the father was on
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the news pretty quickly we don't know that we're not saying he necessarily was coached or not but
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this agency in the u.s actually does exist and let me parse out too very quickly because we just
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had a recent high profile murder which was luigi so that young man who came out same thing he's
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italian correct yeah another reason we should never let the italians in here but um he was italian and
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he shot the ceo of united healthcare and even there the motive is still murky and i've had to
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do with some medical denials just a you know flipping the bird to the system but that's a
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different type of uh in psychology would be a sociopathic or psychopathic behavior so you're
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talking premeditated you're talking i know the consequences of this i know that i'll go to prison
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i'm okay with those consequences i've committed my life to doing this terrible act so you have
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those types of of crimes psychopathic sociopathic by all accounts with this murder that we can see
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there's another high profile case where a black woman stabbed a three-year-old white boy out front
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me and Michael were talking about this on the way over,
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Kid with a decent upbringing, and in that moment,
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so furious so aggravated so aggrieved that he decided the best response was to stab this man
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right in the chest and so when you're thinking about and even the old testament does this with
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crimes of accident versus passion all of those um think about the sociopathic side which really
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exists and there's real statistics because it'd be easy to say okay well there's this incident but
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what about luigi you know an italian man that shot to death those are different categories and that
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impulsive one all that to say people don't leave communities for domestic violence so domestic
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violence is terrible and it happens i'd often be man on women's not racially based but a man
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being domestically abusive towards his wife or to his girlfriend or to his children
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those are terrible but it doesn't disrupt and destroy the trust of a community the way that
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random impulsive violence does when you think about a town and its cohesion when you think
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about your children and where they live and them feeling safe yeah for domestic violence the only
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only motivation that that would incentivize is okay maybe i need to get out of this marriage
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or maybe i need right but it doesn't say like um i don't know if i can go to the grocery store
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right right but these kinds of random acts of violence that's that's what's running through
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people's minds and real quick just biblically speaking um you know we have first degree second
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degree and then we have you know third degree or manslaughter um in our legal system first degree
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is premeditated uh second degree is i didn't plan to kill you but um it's a crime of passion right
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so in a moment of rage um i was enraged and and elevated to that level so i wasn't plotting for
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weeks and thinking about it you know but so this would be kind of second uh it would be second
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degree uh murder and then manslaughter is it was an accident biblically speaking car accident or
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something yeah exactly i hit somebody while driving drunk i there was no malice you know
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there was no um but it was negligence it's still my fault i'm still responsible for it
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um but but it's my fault by way of negligence not not uh any level of intent biblically speaking
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the old testament uh second degree murder is not a category and i think that's important for the
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listener to know there's just murder and then there's the uh the manslayer um there's manslaughter
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for the for what would you say about when the master beats the slave so it would be passion
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and and he and this is old testament specifically we're not porting it and if he lasts for a couple
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days as in right rings his clock good but in a couple days later he does actually succumb to his
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wounds right he's not guilty versus he is if he dies nearby would you see maybe a little bit of
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a parsing there of a of a passion in a moment and if it gets to the point of damage then it's one
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thing but if it didn't quite happen there in the moment be a little bit different than straight up
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murder or accidental um i i would say that uh that's just not a particularly helpful category
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because it gets into slavery in the old testament okay and property and so um i think that's
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different than i'm enraged and uh and the and and just by laying a hand on you at all i'm already
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sinning um you know that i've already breached um what you know what parameters the lord has
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assigned to me yes um yeah i think that that's that's that's different but what i was going to
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say is that in the case of manslaughter in the old testament there were cities of refuge and
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they were all set up geographically um i forget how many maybe six um cities of refuge where
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basically they were all set up uh systematically uh geographically in such a way that they would
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all be one day's travel so somebody who accidentally killed someone and the examples that are given is
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like um you know like you're you're you know on a job site you know and you have a hammer and it
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flies out of your hand and hits someone in the in the head and kills them so it's not like i was
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beating my slave and i beat him too much it's like purely accidental purely accidental and in those
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cases the reason why there were cities of refuge is you would have um it would be urgent you would
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be on the run for your life because the avenger of blood that's right uh would be the closest of kin
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male closest of kin to the one who who was killed and it would be within his legal rights to kill you
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if he found you outside of a city of refuge and so you would have to run to the city of refuge
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and then in that city of refuge one other thing that i'll add this isn't a prison system so the
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cities of refuge are not being supported by the tax dollars of of israel but rather the their own
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city and in its prison ish in the sense that uh you're confined you're not allowed to leave but
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within that city you're walking around freely you start a business you start a trade you're
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supporting yourself that city has its own economy now it's not going to be a bumbling metropolis
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right so those cities aren't going to be um they're not going to be as as prolific as um you
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know or prosperous as uh other cities it's not in israel um but but it's not uh just three meals
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a day you know watching television in a jail cell uh while while a bunch of innocent people who
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haven't committed any crime are paying for it on their tax dollar and then the last thing is when
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the high priest died uh because every high priest that would be an office for life and when he died
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um and except for in some of the rare cases where he disqualified himself but if he died
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upon the death of the high priest then everyone in every city of refuge uh would have a clean bill
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and be um would be atoned for and they could go back into normal society and leave the city of
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refuge and the avenger of blood um would no longer have any right to take vengeance on them and even
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this you know matthew henry says is a picture of uh the gospel that there was one high priest that
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upon his death that all would be atoned for and forgiven so that's that's the system that you that
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you have in the old testament you don't have this first degree and then second degree and that
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you just have murder and then you have manslaughter accidents um but there's not a bifurcation before
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between first degree and second degree so my point is upon levitical law in the old testament
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what um what carmelo anthony did uh would just be treated as murder and biblically right no no
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the no way of covenants right after noah comes off of the ark you're coming from a race a group
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of humanity that is exceedingly violent that's why god judged the earth so they get off the earth
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get off the ark and one of the only commandments what's established there is be aware he who sheds
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man's blood the rightful punishment to that is death we're talking before the show and there's
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some crimes that could be up to death aggravated homosexuality would be one that could be in a
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christian state punished by up to although would not necessarily require but there is one crime
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it must be that must be and that's how i would look at the old testament you know sometimes
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people are like oh you know you're you're uh you're gonna be too rigid and you're just gonna
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you know it's gonna be a one-to-one ratio of dropping levitical law on any you know nation
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today and that and that's not my position um i i would read all those um other other sins that
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are not just sins but also categorized biblically as crimes i would say that they should be treated
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as crimes today about the first and second table of the law should be um legislated and and so
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blasphemy a public blaspheming of the lord jesus christ the triune god um is not merely a sin but
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actually a crime um but but some of these sins that could merit the death penalty uh under israel
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don't are not biblically bound to where they must be given the death penalty that there's actually
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freedom for society to determine is this like a serial repeat offender or is this a one-off case
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and there could be a lighter sentence that's given to such an individual in those cases but
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the Noahic covenant that we have in Genesis chapter 9 I take that to mean that in the case
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of murder it's not just oh it's up to the death penalty no it's it must be the death penalty if
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someone take someone else's life and it's murder not an accident not manslaughter and first and
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second degree there's no biblical variation between the two uh you you you meant to kill them
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and if you meant to kill them and you were successful uh then your life must be taken
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right and the bible's program so in leviticus the number of things that could require
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the death penalty so incest was one of them um molestation of a woman i'll put it that way
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murder idolatry required idolatry uh a son that was disobedient to parents what's being done there
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when the capital punishment is prescribed as a possible if not a required penalty is what you're
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doing is you're taking people out of your society you're removing rush duny says this that the
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the christian program was the removing of defective persons right that there was people
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that were prone to criminality prone to violence prone to murder prone to deviancy and what israel
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wasn't to do was to say well you can live and you're fine you just need to go do it somewhere
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else no it actually said you need to not have children you need i mean the case of akin we're
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talking his entire family right we're actually going to remove your entire lineage blotted out
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the case of korah that god actually sentences korah and and not just his family but all those
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who followed him in his rebellion he supernaturally opens the earth and it swallows all of them
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their entire line and lineage is snuffed out this is see you quoted rush duny and that's the problem
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is that um rush duny is allowed to say these things right well it's because he's not here
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anymore that's because he's not here anymore but uh it's frustrating because a lot of people who
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claim to really appreciate rush duny hate some of the things that rush duny said and they always
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have a reason for why yeah but he didn't actually say that thing um he didn't actually mean it you
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know like yeah he denied the holocaust for 30 years and just let it ride was perfect i mean he
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was challenged on it constantly was perfectly willing to just let it ride for 30 years and then
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you know just barely before the end of his life was like oh okay i'll go ahead and correct that
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um or even his views on intermarriage it's like yeah but he didn't really mean that uh yeah but
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he said it um he did say it and so um i think the point that you're making and it's a point that
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we often just we don't want to look at because it's controversial and we're like no no no no
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no um that's but that would mean like god is thinking like every single society has some kind
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of system for removing certain individuals who are not suitable for the flourishing of that
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society removing or promoting they'll either remove or they'll promote traits every society
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and and the people of god in the old covenant were no exception like you you sleep with somebody
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too closely related your line is cut off from israel you sleep with somebody too distantly
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related who worships foreign gods your line is cut off from israel believe it or not you eat too
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much shellfish from israel yeah um and and it's like and even in christendom so in england there
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was the rule of blood they had terrible criminality terrible drunkenness terrible theft
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and so they instituted up to capital punishment for pickpocketing i want to say it was close to
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200 years right and that's what they had to do to remove an element of criminality none of it
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necessarily ever you're you're wanting to falsely accuse innocent persons you're always trying to
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do justice biblically so you have objective witnesses not just one but two or three of them
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but i mean what is the state given the sword for if not to protect protect i don't know young men
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gathering on a field to compete in athletics to protect them from individuals and they obviously
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in this case carmel anthony didn't have a criminal record but i think of the young man i think his
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name was i texted it to you today it was a five-year-old boy shot um dylan or i have it right
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here but it happened in i think michigan and it was a five-year-old boy who's riding his bike
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and he was shot in the head by a 25-year-old black man with felony drug and weapon charges
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in front of his two sisters what does the state exist for what has god given it the sword for
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what has he written a law for if not to protect the innocent and the children and the people in
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a society and it's inconvenient it's uncomfortable to think like yeah there's criminals and the state
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must deal strongly go ahead canon waddle canon waddell or waddell i think it was about two or
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three years ago that that happened like what are we doing if not for that tax handouts how's how's
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the welfare state going how's uh how's food stamps working right not great you're not even doing the
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thing that you're supposed to do but taiwan is the second safest country in the world and the reason
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it is so safe is that it was rude with ruled with brutality for 50 to 60 years by the japanese
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who did not tolerate a single infraction of their rigid discipline and it was i mean you step out
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of line and it was biblically it would probably be you know overkill but it was it was yeah
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strict punishments for crime is absolutely a factor no denying that um how ethnically diverse
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is taiwan there's two there's two people that live on the island there's the chinese that came
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over from the mainland and then there's the native people who were there already there were several
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tribes there already um so actually there is a bit of diversity yeah there's there's multiple
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languages going on but those origins so like japan but they're both asian well yeah but that's
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like saying all of europe is exactly the same too i'm not saying they're the same yeah but i just i
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think that you know if you have a country that's made up of um but scottish english yeah but i mean
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the french and the english fought horribly the the taiwanese natives and the chinese who came over
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they had major conflict yeah yeah well speaking of justice let's play the second clip this is
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sorry hold on before you do i have to i have to clarify something i was not saying that a crime
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a hate crime should be a valid category of crime what i was saying was you can hate someone for a
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lot of reasons and that inspire you to kill someone right so that was all i was saying not
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that hate crime should be a valid i thought michael was gonna call it in he's gonna be like we got
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him hate crime police through the door um no not that that should be not that that should be a
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factor i was just saying it to go back to my point i think the father was saying i don't think this
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guy killed my son because he hates all white people right i don't that's all i was saying
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i hear him i i yeah he was i think that's what he was saying is that it's not motivated um by race
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but the category of hate i know what you're saying but just for the listener the category of hate
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crime the reason why i despise that category is i think in many ways it's it's the same as the
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category of racism so it's like well um this is the sin of racism and it's like well um is it
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racist theft or is it racist murder or is it racist like because if it's any of those things
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then we already have a category right it's theft it's murder and i think even the whole category
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of a hate crime is is it's it's the assumption um that uh that preference is uh inherently sinful
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in and of itself and i and i think that's a problem when especially when it comes to
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legislating law um the question is did you commit a crime right um not not trying to decipher uh
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your motives exactly it really doesn't matter why you did it what matters is what actions right you
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you took that's what matters when it comes under the law when you stand before god he'll sort all
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that out god will will you know ultimately unveil every hidden thought um we see that in in scripture
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because hate is a sin but it's not a crime it's not a crime exactly but theft is and murder is
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And so in terms of a legal apparatus to try to tack on extra penalties for this inward category of, well, we think that you were motivated.
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We're going to try to decipher your motives and that you were motivated by prejudice towards this person or that person.
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And that's a problem in terms of biblical justice.
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It's introducing a new category of sin and saying this category of sin is incumbent upon you.
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And actually, I won't even let you stand for yourself.
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I'll interpret your actions in that light and accuse you of this sin that I made up.
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This is from one of the prosecutors in Collin County where the murder occurred.
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It's not unusual in the aftermath of a crime for there to be a lot of publicity about it.
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Ultimately, that'll be a judge's decision to make at the time of trial.
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I want Collin County citizens to be able to decide this.
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I'm not here anymore, and I don't understand it.
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That would not be something that we could do even if we wanted to.
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So right there, that would not be something that we could do even wanting to.
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he's talking about the death penalty but he's also talking about life without parole right so
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to put this practically in 25 years or less three hours away obviously who knows where he actually
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gets sent to prison carmel anthony will be back on the street he'll have a terrible track record
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daniel penny i want to say was the end of black lives matter let the record state when this
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episode gets gets a real intense that comment right there is responsible for go ahead yep but
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he's gonna be he's 20 so he's 17 right now 25 you're at 22 32 42 you'd have a 42 year old man
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no work history a murderer as best we can tell we're not omniscient as best we can tell from
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multiple witnesses and the state itself saying the same thing right you'll have a murderer back
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on the street and he'll be around our daughters that's right and around your daughters let's add
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to it though real quickly um it's not just a murderer with no no work experience and you know
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just this 25 year gap in his resume number one it could be much shorter much shorter like what
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michael said that's if he gets 10 years on good behavior too it could also be shorter 10 years on
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good behavior what would that good behavior be i don't know maybe he kills another white you know
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inmate in the prison you know and know in our system they say hey that's good behavior one less
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white person you're doing good work you're doing good work doing the lord's work killing those
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whiteys so you know we'll give you 10 years um being a little facetious there but not much
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to clarify that you're being facetious being a little facetious but sometimes i mean in 2020
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i'm not saying that would happen under trump necessarily but in 2020 and 2021 that's how it
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felt it literally felt like politicians and corporations and ngos and all that like that
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um, that the goal really was, um, to, to basically, uh, whittle down the number of,
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of white people. And, uh, and, and it still feels that a little bit, not necessarily Trump's
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administration directly. Um, but, but I do think that, um, that there are some concerns there. So
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that's a hyperbolic facetious example, but the point is he could get out on good behavior in 10
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years. But here, here's what I wanted to add to that. So not only would he have no job history
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and and the fact that he is a murderer but in addition to that you would have 10 years or if
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he goes the full 25 25 years of being cultivated and shaped further towards criminal activity
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by our prison system right our prison system does not change people for the better i thought it was
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all about reform no it's taking the worst people in society putting them in close quarters uh to
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where they're all inclined to degrade further, not to improve.
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And so even just our prison system, the idea of you're going to do time in a prison system
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and then come back out, in my assessment, that system is a massive liability,
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a massive liability because our prison system is not designed for for reform or for self-improvement
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right um and and and this gets into you know some of the biblical but at the same time i don't want
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to be an i you know ideologue you know and um because you can only do what you can do today
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right so you got to start so today uh yeah we need more people in prison not less and i acknowledge
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that um but as we're moving forward uh the idea of of uh prison especially when if it's prison for
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life it should be the death penalty right and if it's not prison for life then we've got to find
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some other other penalty whether it's restitution and restitution just for the record it's like okay
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well how do you pay restitution if you did this thing and you're already impoverished and you
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don't have the money right to give restitution uh well slavery debtors debtors slavery debtors
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slavery yes it's not you and your children yep forever because of of you know just because of
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skin color was it was it but it also until the year of jubilee under the law yeah like every
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50 israelites though oh yeah that's right foreign slaves could be kept in perpetuity their entire
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bloodline but you're like there wasn't the same debtor slavery for foreigners right yeah yeah but
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slaves purchased those could be kept in perpetuity if they were not israelites so the but the point
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is is like our system is um our system is is not fixing the problem it's it's making the problem
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worse we have we have anti-white discrimination on the books from universities um certainly within
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the media but anti-white discrimination we've all been shaped by that from the time that we
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were born for decades america has elevated um every single people uh you know to you know but
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but belittled white people um and so we already have we're on the backdrop of that context and
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then you add you know prison in the mixed uh loose on crime policies and then whenever we are tough
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on crime it immediately gets painted as well that's racism right like all the tough on crime
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from the 80s and the 90s and those kinds of things it's like well this is racist no this is not
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racist and if it's disproportional then it's not because of racism it's because a certain type of
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person is choosing to engage in more criminal activity and and it is what it is and i hope
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it's not that way forever but that's not that's not our fault well think of the mercy of the old
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testament caning system so not for murder but for different types of offenses of violence or
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miscreant behavior they were caned in public and that is brutal but the way the brain works is that
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inhibition is a critical brain skill like when your children like why are toddlers so emotional
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well their prefrontal cortex hasn't developed very well to the point where they can restrain
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behavior uh anthony aaron hernandez he was a new england tight end and he actually gunned down two
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man in cold blood i remember that did an autopsy on his brain and all the impact that he'd taken
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from football right had destroyed much of it and so he didn't he couldn't even answer for why he
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didn't murder wasn't pre-calculated he gunned people down and so with the old testament in
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the caning system what it did is it took people that didn't have impulse control and it administered
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administered something brutal now you'd be done in an afternoon you'd be recovering for a week or so
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but those psychological experiences we know from psychology that negative reinforcement right is a
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huge deterrent that the brain itself says i did x i punched someone in the face at the checkout
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at walmart i i engaged in this behavior i sold illicit drugs i didn't go to prison and lose my
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life for 20 years and i wasn't given the death penalty but i got beat so bad that i never in
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public that i never want to do that again and the brain itself at a biological level says i have got
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to have some breaks on this yeah because i don't ever want to repeat that experience well and it's
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the mercy of that system right to beat those people in public they recover they walk again
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and people just because people will think what you're saying is extreme and it's not they'll
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say like oh that's inhumane and i can't believe you know beating someone in public no what's
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inhumane is treating someone like a pet putting them in a cage right feeding them three times a
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day with food and water giving them a walk within a within a dog kennel hour a little bit of yard
00:43:16.940
time where they can go outside and run and get some exercise and then putting them right back
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in the kennel right back inside the cage with their three meals a day and and everybody else
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paying for it that's what if you're smaller you're the receiving end of other abuses right that's
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what awful that's what we do with animals that's what we do with dogs so this is not inhumane it's
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actually far more humane to say you actually you either you either did something that merits the
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death penalty in which case you don't go on the taxpayers dying for life in
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prison no there's not a restitution system for there's no rest right because
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you can't bring the person right there's no way in this life to to restore that
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and you know I think it was rush to me also who said in the case of murder it's
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something that can't be put right and part of the reason for the death penalty
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life for life is because the only one who can put it right is God and so in
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the case of a murderer uh what we have to do is our human courts are insufficient so we have to
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immediately transfer them to a higher court aka uh hanging right you know tall tree short rope
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and uh and that's how you transfer them to a higher court a heavenly court where god is able
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to uh to exact true justice right um fair justice and you would live in a safer world you would and
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then apart from that it would be restitution that's another biblical penalty or it would be
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caning um beating um and and but in that case it's far more humane than person maintains their
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freedom uh the person is then allowed back into society but with a huge massive deterrent
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forever committing that crime again none of the rest of the nation is penalized he's the guy who
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committed the crime why why are all of us being penalized with our tax dollars because now we have
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to feed him and house him no he still has to feed and house himself and if he does it again he's
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beat again and at a certain point to being a serial offender that's right his life is taken
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right um and societies that have behaved this way now now the bible tells us how to do it humanely
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or better put righteously in a way that is actually um is actually pleasing to the lord
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that meets god's standards of justice but every successful society throughout human history
00:45:42.660
always did this israel under the old covenant did it righteously and therefore humanely and we look
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at and we say oh my gosh i can't believe they did that that's so harsh and this is so terrible and
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they had slaves or they beat people or you, you know, the death penalty or, um, no, uh, what
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Israel did is what, well, they never obeyed, but what Israel was supposed to do is what God
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considers righteous. Let God be true. And every man, a liar, God is righteous. The libtard next
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door is not. So I don't care if he finds Leviticus offensive. He thinks that drag queen story hour
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is permissible. Okay. So I, I don't, I don't care about your booze. I've seen what you cheer for,
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right so so who cares what that person says but god says that it was righteous but my point is
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even pagan societies outside of old covenant israel that uh still found ways to achieve
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success now they didn't do it righteously i want to be clear about that they did it in brutal ways
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that the lord does not um see favorably that the lord does not approve of but every society that
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was successful whether it be israel under the old covenant or whether it be the romans or whether
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be the greeks or in every society what they old germanic tribes and in every case of successful
00:46:58.020
society and civilization what they did what they did whether righteously or not
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is they culled society from its reprobates they went to society and they said you're a loser
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you're a loser you're a loser you're a loser and you don't get to reproduce right and i know that
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that's controversial and how you do that absolutely matters there are sinister pagan wicked ways of
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doing that absolutely for instance yes but here's the deal and this kind of gets into our
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conversations about genetics and it'll get into you know us talking a little bit about race today
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we want to be careful with this topic but here's the deal the great post-millennial hope this is
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something i wrestle with i'm just i'm gonna lay some cars on the table this is something i wrestle
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with the great post-millennial hope and i believe it's good and right and i believe it's the will
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of god but um there there are people alive today genetically and i'm not talking about right now
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um inclinations towards crime but i'm just i'm like i'm talking about asthma okay so i'm going
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to start there for a second i'm going to talk about diabetes i'm going to talk about those
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kinds of things certain illnesses and sicknesses and physical conditions that uh just they they
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wouldn't have lived in times past not that long ago you know they just wouldn't they wouldn't have
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lived and um and therefore because they wouldn't have lived they wouldn't have reproduced they
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wouldn't have offspring they wouldn't they wouldn't have a lineage um but we're at the
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point now where it's not only that we've been able to not necessarily cure some things we can cure
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others we're not able to cure but we're able to just kind of mitigate the side effects the most
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severe of the side effects to where the person can have a life but but those genes are passed down
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and so we have you know a lot of people alive today that wouldn't have been alive in in previous
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generations and i see that for the record again i am glad i am glad that you know nine out of ten
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children don't die in childbirth right praise god i'm glad that my wife has had five children and
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she's still alive because a lot of women died in child right you know not just the babies but the
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mothers i'm i'm so grateful uh for all of these things uh we have you know a child in our church
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who was born like almost like 20 weeks prematurely
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we have also taken the most degenerate people in the world
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and then we catered our justice system for lesser penalties right stricter penalties
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right we'll get we'll throw the whole weight of the law against you know the native european
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citizen but we're going to have lesser penalties for different minority groups and for illegal
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immigrants um and we're actually with illegal immigrants we're going to give incentives to
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come here uh we're going to take taxpayers of the native citizens and pay for housing and pay for
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this and pay for that um yeah you you can't do that and and think that society is not going to
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go to hell in a handbag there are plenty of places this is the tough part of the conversation but
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there are places that are not christian they are not predominantly christian and yet they're
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homogenous and strict on crime and you would be safer there than in our christian nation right
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but i hear what you're saying but we've said for a long time that we're an apostate christian
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nation we're not applying the law like a lot maybe not everything that you're saying but a lot of
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what you're saying would be mitigated if we had actual justice in the society amen but my point
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is there are places that aren't christian and who are doing that they are sure they are applying
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justice sure and so what i'm what i'm saying yes we are absolutely these united states are in full
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blown like unadulterated apostasy against the lord jesus christ there's no question about that
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and if we weren't we'd be doing things better no question about that but my point is that per
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capita we still have more people who would profess faith in the lord jesus christ than
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other places and yet there are other places um that still would not uh be experiencing some of
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the things that we're experiencing just like japan right we have way more christians in america
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than japan and we also have way more crime in america than japan but you can do very hard on
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crime yes very hard on crime yes that's part of my my point was twofold hard on crime and
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homogenous um but uh vermont for instance um vermont is not the most christian state in the
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union there are states bad gun laws there are states in the south that are far more per capita
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far more professing christians and even not just professing but those who attend church
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every single week have stricter abortion laws right like we could look at at georgia right
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i guarantee you there are there is more church attendance christian church attendance in atlanta
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than there is in vermont which place is safer for your daughters to live what percent of vermont is
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black ask me what percent of about 1.5 percent same with maine and new hampshire i thought it
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was their gun laws is the reason they didn't have shootings well that here in texas it's the safest
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state in the union because we have open carry oh wait right these are the things that christians
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are going to have to let's skip forward for just a second then we'll come back because i know wes
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you prepared the episode and i don't want to miss some important pieces but i think it would be
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helpful for the listeners skip forward for a moment the reason that i want to have these
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conversations is because um these conversations will be had with or without christians
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if if you think that joel webin and right response ministries is is opening the can of worms and
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that we're the ones who are pushing the ball forward and inciting these kinds of conversations
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about race and but you you're dumb you are a fool these conversations are happening
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with or without us have been happening other people talking about it all the time we've
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addressed the topic twice maybe three times very very sparingly and very carefully whenever we do
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address the topic my concern this is my concern is that um i think that we are getting closer and
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closer to a point where people are going to say that's enough yeah 100 we're getting that's enough
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yeah and i know what the pay not that's enough i'm going to go to the hoa and no no no right
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a sternly worded letter my representative is going to hear it no no i'm saying that's enough
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the only reason i think we might not be getting there is because england is not going to hit that
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point well there's a reason why we left yeah i agree and why they lost the war but largely largely
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i completely understand what you're saying so i think we're coming there i think it's happening
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it's going to happen and it's already happening these kinds of conversations
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and i think my concern is that i you know when i fire up the old internet and get on x you know
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or go look at rumble you know or um these conversations are being had and something
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will eventually be done and my fear is that it's going to be done without christians
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um it's going to be done despite christians you mean you don't mean they're going to do the things
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we're thinking of and we're not going to be part of it no i mean they're going to do the influence
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of the wisdom of god they're going to do terrible things that we wouldn't do yes um that we would
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actually be able to offer biblical solutions um that that are um pleasing to the lord and and we're
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talking real solutions like i saw a woman this week she's like what we need in crime ridden areas
00:55:35.260
is to put a library at the center so people can learn and read more no i'm not even kidding but
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we're talking like real solutions like this criminality this crime specifically from the
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black community needs a real law justice order something actually needs to be done real solutions
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yes so that that's that's my concern it's the same concern race feminism zionism those three
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is so i've said the same thing when we address the topic of feminism is um if christians refuse
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to go there and have these conversations what you get is andrew tate what you get is the red pill
00:56:16.260
what you get um because it's the toothpaste is not going back in the tube um everybody
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is seen in real time whoa there's a problem i'm sure the red pill guys they treat their wives as
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co-heirs in the grace of life correct no that's i'm sure i'm certain oh wait that would be helpful
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on the patriarchy side right to have men with scripture to understand the proper relation
00:56:42.240
that's interesting yeah like you you want um you want a well-ordered society where you can
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you can go to the park and not feel like you're in danger or we could just have a normal like
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cost of living and you don't have to pay 50 more than ever or 100 more than everybody else
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uh just just to be safe um then you need real solutions you need to pay 200 000 more for a
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home but you want those real solutions and for them still to be um strict but righteous
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solutions then you need you need christians and christians just aren't willing to do it christians
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will not seriously meaningfully engage in the conversation about men and women they won't
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meaningfully engage in the conversation about israel and they won't meaningfully engage in
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the conversation about race yeah they won't and so what's going to happen and what is happening
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is that pagans will fill in the gap and you will get red pill when it comes to men and women
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you will get something when it comes to uh israel and uh and then you're gonna get the red pill
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equivalent when it comes to race right you don't want the red pill equivalent when it comes they'll
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have statistics too like that's the thing is the pagan on the other side he'll bring these same
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statistics right it'll be his solution then that goes beyond what like god would allow so we're
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saying we've got the same statistics we're allowed to talk about them we're allowed to talk about it
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you know black men commit violence at this level etc the crazy thing is what you mentioned it was
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in the cold open that nobody heard because it wasn't working but um that that black women
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murder at a higher rate than white men so per capita so someone can look and say like but wait
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on it no right but per capita so per 100 000 black women they have a higher murder rate than
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white men so it's not we already and and that's the thing is everybody's comfortable saying that
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men most people are comfortable saying that you know men um are have a much higher propensity
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towards violence than women and that's true and we would say that it's not just true because of
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behavior and it's not just true because of education um because men and women are being
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educated in the same schools and the you know the same curriculum which honestly i don't really like
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that you want to talk about segregation i would love in schools to segregate men and women honestly
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and that would just make me a moderate from 100 years ago that's what c.s lewis thought that's
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what yeah so um but but the point is it's not education it's not all these other factors it's
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um it's biological men are different than women and therefore men have greater strengths and they
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also have certain greater weaknesses that women don't have and men are more likely to commit
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violent crimes than women are and yet with the black community per capita black women murder at
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a higher rate than white men that's that's shocking it's not convenient that is shocking
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so then what do you do with that and there's a lot of people who know what to do with that
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right but not a lot of christians a lot of christians that they you can't talk about the
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christian solutions if you're if you're walking around you know it's like alex jones you know
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every time he talks about the globalist you know he's like who are they who are the globalists i
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don't know who the marxist i don't know who the globalists are you know it's it's uh it's klaus
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schwab and the you know the the marxist yeah george soros and the you know the marxist
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globalists and it's like uh yes but also also and and it's the same kind of thing that christians
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will do like oh you know well it's it's just this or it's just and and i'm not saying it's simple
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i think it's multifaceted i think there's a lot of factors at play but um but to not talk about
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different peoples is i think just as is silly as not talking about the differences between men and
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women men and women are different and different peoples are different and for the record i'm not
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saying that different peoples that the difference is just as serious or significant as the difference
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between men and women i think that the biological difference between men and women with gender
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is is a very significant difference um but i do think that there are differences between nations
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ethnic um and and that has to be a part of the christian conversation and it should be a
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conversation that's had in love and with charity and with hopefulness but if you can't even talk
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about that then then i i don't even know then we're not going to be able to solve it and if
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we can't solve it because we won't even admit that there's a problem um then i know a lot of
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people who are more than willing to step in and solve it and they're not christians and their
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And he stands around and just talks to the average guy for hours and hours and hours.
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is it's mr it's mrs um you know so even like if when i'm when i'm emailing you know with his
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she you know like mr reese it's never david it's always you know mr reese and then one time i sent
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monday morning and then you know or actually sunday night when the sun went down i said sorry
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sorry for talking business on the sabbath that's my bad all right so true to the title we wanted
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to get into what happened in the 60s the 70s and the 80s because that fomented and created a lot
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of what we understand today in our race relations i really don't think they were as bad in times
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passed. Can I share a little bit about Detroit in the 1880s and 90s? Please. So Detroit and Chicago
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in the 1880s and 90s, there had been a contingent of freed blacks in America who were not from the
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South. They didn't necessarily, they either had been freed, emancipated earlier on, or maybe had
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won their own freedom. And a number of them migrated to Detroit and Chicago. And at the time,
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there weren't even really enough of them to have black neighborhoods and white neighborhoods.
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and what's surprising is in Detroit and Chicago which we think now is like you've got the the
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black ghettos and you got the white neighborhoods and at the time they they just lived among the
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white families they sent their kids to the same schools they actually like went to the same dinner
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parties the same social clubs when blacks were allowed to vote a lot of these neighborhoods
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actually voted for a black neighbor who is a man of good standing in their community to be an
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alderman or on the city council or things like this and so actually there was a point in the
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cities that are now some of the most tent cities where the the tension that we see now actually
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it was almost non-existent yep if you trace i went through and looked at by decade for example
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like the percentage black in the united states a little bit higher in 1900 but it really doesn't
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change all that much we're not looking at the crime that happened in the 60s and 70s and 80s
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that led to suburban sprawl, we're not looking at that as a massive influx, for example, of
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immigration from Africa. They've actually had a pretty consistent presence here since our
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earliest times. And to your point, I would definitely contribute that to our Christian
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hegemony, our European hegemony, strong rule of law. Late 1800s, not so much in the South with
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what they did with Reconstruction, but in the North, there was actually a decent milieu of
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decent relations, of low criminality. And we'll get into in a minute, but there's a number of
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different factors and outside forces that came in and destroyed something that actually was working
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decently well, I would say that this wasn't always a for 250 years, always ever. Now, certainly you
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have the Emmett tills, you have the stories, and white people have done the same thing, pelted a
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boy with rocks in Chicago Beach until he drowned. This was in the late 1940s. He couldn't swim,
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his raft went over to the white side, they pelt him with rocks. So there's been those stories
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certainly throughout the time. But by and large, on the whole, there have been cities, states,
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places and epochs where race relations were much less worse than they are right now where
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criminality wasn't a factor and where you didn't have a track meet something you're celebrating
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your son's competing at a championship and i don't know will he get stabbed in the heart and so what
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was the difference we can continue many different things the difference was there was just greater
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social cohesion there were a lot of other things like one of the things that's happening now is as
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social cohesion breaks down we don't have a common religion anymore we don't have a common culture
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and so people are are latching on to things like well we've got to have a common race now
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before that that was not as necessary a thing to prioritize yep and so what you had happen is you
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had world war ii and world war ii in many ways i mean every single man that you could just about
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muster he's all fighting in the war he's involved in some type of logistics so world war ii in many
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ways is this great kind of reset point and what happened was a lot of blacks in the south we'll
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talk about the global south here in a minute they migrated to northern cities so you spoke about
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chicago and you spoke about atlanta and baltimore st louis would be another one some of those
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getting more towards the south as it was a huge migration and they left mostly rural occupations
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So you're not looking at just packed in, very high density per square mile, but you're looking at individuals that are engaged in different type of agriculture, which that's what the South largely is.
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And there's a huge migration due to the availability of manufacturing jobs.
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I mean, the U.S., because we didn't have a war occurring on our soil, we were just positioned in a space to be the supplier of the world, the manufacturing capital of the world.
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And so a lot of blacks migrated, and they came together closely and tightly.
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And very quickly on the heels of that, after the end of the World War II, 1948, you have the 1950s and the 60s, the Great Migration, you have the Civil Rights Act.
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So you have desegregation, you have the Civil Rights Act, and you have Lyndon B. Johnson's Great Society, the massive outpouring of dollars into the community.
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Now, me and Michael have disagreed on this some.
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There are biological and there are cultural factors at play.
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So some people would like to say, well, it's only the music or it's only this that or the other.
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Well, there's just a predisposition that we can't get over.
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But both of them really came together when you had in the 60s and the 70s.
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you brought them into the cities and what you experienced was high rates of crime right because
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you just just to understand because you had the biological differences previously right without
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nearly this severe of problems so like rhodesia is an african state that britain colonized
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incredibly productive right it was run by the british but they managed i'm even saying but
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here in america like there was a point where there wasn't nearly as high rates of fatherlessness
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exactly um wedlock there wasn't a ton of um black on white crime you know there wasn't even as much
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black black on black it was it was always to be fair from the research i've been able to do and
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it's hard because they didn't categorize crimes by race as much back then but it was always a
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little bit higher than the white rate but not the drastic difference that we see now right right but
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there was i think you were avoiding saying this west but like not that this is the only factor
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but i'm just i'm just trying to understand myself and get the picture so you didn't have hip-hop and
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rap things that were funded in large part by jews yep in the 80s and the 90s and intentionally to
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degrade that culture yep like jews uh whether it was the civil rights movement and stanley
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Martin Luther King being a puppet of a lot of Jewish Marxists
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I went back and read a little bit of Malcolm X.
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We were saying on the way over that we think the black community
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would be served a lot better with a leader like him
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rather than the Al Sharpton's or the Jesse Jackson's.
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If he had one, going back, because they always paint him
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And Martin Luther King is this honorable pastor.
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um but no like martin luther king was terrible and he was a puppet of a bunch of marxist jews
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right so whether it's hip-hop which is just like hey go in and do this and do that commit this
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crime murder that person you know like like literally the lyrics of of the songs uh a lot
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of that was jewish influence and then this will rights act uh jewish influence um and then lbj
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of course with welfare and those things and and this is alleged so i i'll say alleged but it is
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many people have said that lbj you know said with this uh litigation with these policies i'll have
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those inwards voting democrat for the next 200 years yeah right and if he didn't say it still
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nailed it true it was still true he's nailed it 90 um you know vote democrat because of and that's
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a big part of it um and if he did say it they used to vote republican i know and it was within
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about one election before the party swaps yes yeah so you have you have welfare uh to get
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black people to vote for democrats you have jews behind hip-hop you have jews behind
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civil rights act and who brought them here in the first place and who brought them here with
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financed large parts of the transatlantic slave trade it's like oh the white people are terrible
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well a particular type of white person there's one other thing there too go ahead and that is that
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with the mass immigration that started in the 60s yeah there have been studies that showed
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that that like as much as that took jobs away from white people it really took jobs away from
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black people yes they were performing who were doing lower skilled jobs in urban areas where
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most of the immigrants were coming to right so the point is just the reason i'm saying all these
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things is i'm trying to give some bona fides here uh and saying that we we all acknowledge myself
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included that it is a um a multi-faceted right there there are multiple different contributors
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to to the problems that we now face as a society uh with um with black crime and um and so i'm
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sitting here saying um i i will be one of the first to acknowledge um that it's it's not just
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things that are internal to the black community i'm more than happy to blame jews you know but
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no it's it's there are other things as well there are other hip-hop all these different things
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welfare was huge dispositions that they had already yes yes blacks in america typically
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been dependent upon a type of benevolent state or a type of landowner and so that for 200 years
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well this is who gives me money this is who provides my work this is who gives me a handout
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but for a moment there brief as it was and it wasn't that brief between two world wars but for
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a moment there um you had the at least the greatest degree in in american history of black
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independence uh where there's freedom from slavery right there's not a welfare state a new you know
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just uh replacing one plantation with another um so in between plantations um you know before you
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got you know the the old democrats and now the new democrats you know democrats have always loved
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oppressing the you know uh the black community and they've always been good at it but with that
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you know there was a moment of of reprieve and it wasn't that brief and and there was there were
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places where there really were that there was flourishing like healthy marriages and there
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were some moments where um actually a higher marriage rate like remaining marriage than
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than with white people right and so so what i'm trying to say is that there are other things
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biology is part of it but there are other things but but i was going to add one more i said all
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that to say this so people don't think that i'm just saying oh it's just this it's just this i'm
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not saying it's just this but i i think that we're just not being honest this is if christians aren't
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honest about these things they're gonna go to the pagans they're not gonna listen to us so one other
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factor is segregation one other factor whether it was whether it was legislated like official
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formal uh or or even just naturally black people living among black people white people living
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among white people and there was incredible from what i've read incredible uh industry
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and developments um that black people were were doing that um and that they were successful that
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the marriage rate was high children were growing up with a father in the home um they they were
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making money they were developing this that and the other and it all came crashing down with with
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civil rights with welfare with all these different things um but during that time where there was so
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much success my point is you you didn't have the exploitation of of jewish psyops with with hip-hop
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and rap and and martin luther king who was a jewish puppet you know and all you didn't have
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those things but also you you did to be fair so that's a huge factor but but another factor is
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you did have a much higher degree of segregation michael pointed out that in african countries
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they're still not as safe comparatively to russia or european but they have somewhat lower rates of
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murder some of them do some of them do and some of what that would contribute to is right homogeneity
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it's very difficult stephen wolf talks about this we have a natural affinity for people that look
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like us talk like us that we've shared history with and so when you have a group of people
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here's what's what's kind of cool kind of just a natural thing that god's made the world
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like a lot of uh italians go to little italy well i'm going to have some type of relation to it i'm
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going to patron its patron its restaurants i'm going to live there little china chinatown in
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philadelphia like blacks have black entertainment television their own type of music their own type
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of sporting events they even tend to live like there's a black section of this town there's a
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black community or black neighborhood it seems generally speaking that the way god arranged
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people is that all else being equal will live near people that are like us if all about yeah
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but go ahead michael that the like black entertainment that's pretty new right like
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well like i would say like when tv jazz yeah but white people would go and dance to jazz
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in jazz halls white people would play jazz where white people are right there
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jazz is awesome jazz is cool um but piano was better my point is back when we had three
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television stations everyone watched what was on tv it was just american television and there was
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maybe the cosby's on but then black people watched you know gilligan's island or you know whatever
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was on like that was it wasn't it wasn't always a niche market for every single subgroup and that's
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part of that's not just uh uh uh racial relations things that's just you can be totally into
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whatever kind of music you want anymore like there'll never be another um major band that
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everyone or another major tv program that every single person in the in the country watches or
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knows or listens to like that's just kind of over yes it is that's why for the worst there's such
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for the worse yep such a desire like with like someone like taylor swift to to use her yep as
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because she's kind of a guy in our church who's really insightful i remember he said she's the
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last uh syringe yep you know where you can just inject all of society with one person you know
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like yep um because we're we're now entering once tom crew stops making movies that'll be it yep
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like we are very close to where uh there will be no celebrities of that caliber all we'll have is
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just a bunch of micro celebrities i get my news from you know right response i get my news from
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over here i listen to 11 i listen to this uh bluegrass you know artist and it's like really
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how many fans does he have 1500 isn't that a lot can you believe it no that atomization is happening
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all over yeah but all the way back the reason we're talking about this white flight in the 60s
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and the 70s and crime really peaked in the 80s and 90s as far as the inner cities about 20 years
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after we removed the black fathers from the households removed the black fathers from the
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households, civil rights, with, with welfare, welfare system. And so all that being said,
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all the factors, biology is a part of it. Like to be clear, biological propensities do exist.
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Now they can be managed well by having good rule of law and everything like that. But when that
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erodes, I think of Psalm 11, uh, when the foundations are destroyed, what can the righteous
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do? When you live with a civil magistrate, that's going to throw up its hands. When a criminal
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murders someone, put them back on the street with our daughters in 20 years for good behavior.
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one of the things you're going to have to start to consider
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to pull the demographics of a town they're considering
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Depending on where you live and your financial ability.
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uh like michael you have children that are the big question to ask is just pull up a map and like
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how many miles away are his our house from martin luther king street oh my word you're
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down and you just here ironic though like i always think it's so ironic that martin luther king
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every town in america has a street named after him and it tends to be the uh the highest density
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crime yeah i've i've not i'll take your word for it every in every season turned out everybody
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nobody instinctively knows hit hit those locks do not go to roll the windows up yeah yeah i never
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made that connection um and i think i i honestly think it's providential it's kind of like yeah
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maybe he maybe he wasn't the good guy that you think he was anyways that that myth is coming
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down but all the way to that point let me pull up uh someone asked about statistics this right here
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guys there's there's a lot of images going around they're grainy as can be it's been copied and
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pasted copied and pasted 50 times you can't even find the source of it anymore on the internet so
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These numbers are some of the lowest that I've seen.
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So you have numbers that are much, much higher, but if you look at this graph, this is across
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five years and you're looking at homicide rates.
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There's breakdown of sexual crimes, all of these different things.
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It's probably a little bit too small to be able to read, but the greatest number of homicides
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committed category race is black or African-American.
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And that would be 34,000 within the last five years.
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generally speaking homicide homicide okay 35 000 whites are 22 000 than you have down there not
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specified unknown a couple grand continue that's not per capita that's just total so that's not
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per capita so per capita does is it says hey someone may do you know may have 75 of a given
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incident but if they're 90 that's actually better because that means less than one in one they're
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committing x y and z so what you have to understand this of is in terms of per capita per x y and z
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the black men what kind of uh what kind of homicide rates are we looking at so i ran this
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calculation based on 48.9 million african americans blacks here in the united states and about 249
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uh european whites million 249 million what 249 so just to pause real quick so you're saying that
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it's approximately five times as many white people blacks make up 14 percent of the comparison you're
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doing is like a five to one yes yep so blacks to get all the way to the front and then we are what
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like 60 about 60 percent yeah okay but what it is is it's one in every 1300 right black men according
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to these fbi crime statistics over the last five years compared to one in every 11 000 white men
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right one in every 1300 have done have been and these are some of the lowest estimates i've seen
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there are some estimates that are as high as one in 22 black men will commit murder in their
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lifetime. Again, I wanted to do my best to pull the best source I have. There are notorious cases.
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So like the not specified and unknown right there, that's another 17,000. I tend not to think that
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Japanese individuals, there could be certain people that we're talking about there. But even
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with these statistics, one in 1300 black men will commit a homicide in the United States of those
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48 million based on this doing some rough math generally speaking compared to about a 10 times
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difference for white men one in 11,000 actually sorry that's black people and white people
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generally of course though it's men that would commit so cities so one in 1300 at the lowest
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estimate for for black men or just black black black people in black people in general 49 million
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that live in the united states and then one in 11,000 one in 11,000 right and you need to know
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this when you buy a home, when you live in a neighborhood. Long term, we hope, as we've
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been talking about, that the civil government, that the state will come in and say, our citizens,
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like this is who we're charged to care for. Like, what is the president elected for? It's not
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photo ops. It's to protect the people of his nation. Now, here's the deal. That's that's
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long term, short term. What do I do? Well, if you're a man, carry a gun. Well, my state doesn't
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allow it we'll carry a gun carry some type of protection this is not legal advice not legal
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advice but but there's there's different ways to protect yourself but that's that's your point or
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move right so we don't want to encourage people to break the law like wes is just joking there
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he's just you're joking i'm joking he's just joking i feel like the anakin meme it's like
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you're joking right no don't carry one gun no carry two he's like yes not but that would be
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that was a joke but but in all seriousness um like you might you might need to move like it's
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right like if you're living in a state that has on the books uh laws that say you cannot protect
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your family right like that's that's unconstitutional well it's not just unconstitutional
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it's morally heinous yeah it's unbiblical it's morally heinous it's unconstitutional well i you
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know i'm sitting there on the show you know like i wrote a book about you know there are actually
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reasons to leave and and that's that's one of them one reason is uh one state um allows me to
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fulfill my god-given duty and obligation as a father to protect my family and another state
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doesn't that right there for for pretty much any of our ancestors before a hundred years and and
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and prior um that would have been enough reason right that literally no one none of our ancestors
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They all would have, I mean, they would have lobbied,
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they would have fought, but if it became decisive
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They would be horrified that any God-fearing Christian
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You should be brought up underneath church discipline charges.
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So I'm saying move. Here's the deal. I would say
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like that's what happened i didn't touch on that too much but uh it was called white flight or uh
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suburban sprawl and what happened with the cities being high on crime was a lot of white families
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moved to the suburbs that's what happened that's how they developed they spread out they built
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homes that had poached postage stamps yards uh and they did that to get away from the crime in
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the cities and crime in the city is not necessarily being perpetrated perpetrated
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You know, we perpetrated good, great universal brain freeze perpetrated.
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There's not necessarily a crime being perpetrated by by Japanese.
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But honestly, there are wonderful places in California.
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There are rural towns that have the ethos of the American spirit there.
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Your sheriff is not going to look twice if you happen to carry in downtown.
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So wherever you are, maybe it's just 30, 30 minutes east.
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And then you're just in a place where you can go to the playgrounds.
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but like what else matters like at a foundational level there's building god's kingdom and one of
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the primary jobs he's given to you husbands and fathers is to care for your family like you may
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evangelize many men and women in your life your primary ones are the children that god has given
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to you to evangelize and to protect them that is the primary mission everything else is built on
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top of it so you don't get to say like well i'm living in in downtown baltimore on missions well
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well, how does that work if the primary disciple
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that you're trying to raise gets hit by a stray bullet
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That doesn't sound like the right method of discipleship.
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and evangelize the many people there that need the gospel.
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That is, like, missionary is a real biblical category.
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But my concern, and I talked about this in my book,
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But my concern is that although missionary is a real category,
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in order to fit in that category, there are real conditions.
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And I don't think that the average Christian meets those conditions.
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It's not that we should say missionary isn't a thing.
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Everybody should just, we should never go to hard places.
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preach the gospel we should never go to the sudan we should never go here we should never go there
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um that's that's not my argument but what i would say is that there are certain places in the united
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states that are quickly becoming likened to like in the same way that like no no church would say
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you know what um every single christian should just go to the sudan be a missionary be outspokenly
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christian um no no church would have said that we'd all we would all recognize that's a pretty
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unique special call it is not for the faint of heart most christians are not up for the task
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and um and so it's going to be only a few who are especially qualified it's a call it will be sent
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there and the rest of us will do the role of supporting them we all get that instinctively
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when it comes to difficult places overseas all all i try to do in this book and i think part of
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what we're trying to do in our conversation today is say that sadly until morale improves
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in these united states there are certain places here not just foreign or abroad but domestically
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here in our nation that we need to begin thinking about that place the way we would think about a
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very difficult hostile country on the other side of the planet christians need to think about it
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that's why andrew isker left his home state where six generations of his and joel did you know the
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six generations thing before the isker interview that was yeah i did so heartbreaking to hear i
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know it's yeah it's terrible it's absolutely terrible that he had to move but here's the
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thing he had to move i know yep and he like that everyone gave him a hard time he's abandoning his
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pose you know he's doing this like the same usual suspects who got upset with me you know came out
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and got got upset with him um but it's in in his case um they have they have six kids and their
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oldest uh has autism and what what what people are doing in some of these deep blue states
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And convincing them to change their gender
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He might have been in sin to stay, given his family situation,
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the number of children that he has, and one child in particular
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That's just, that's the world that we're living in.
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If you're a young black man and you feel called to Atlanta, like, amen,
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you love Jesus, you have passion for the black community,
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that is way more applicable than a white man with two white daughters
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being like, oh, I'm going to go to inner city Patterson, New Jersey.
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But on the whole, all else being equal, maybe that's not what God has called you to.
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They used to be, I heard this because I grew up in missionary families, and I heard a lot,
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The common evangelical phrase was, everyone's called to be a missionary.
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Some are just called to be a missionary in other countries.
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no everyone's called don't love that everyone's called to be to share the gospel
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right to be an evangelist but no missionary is a distinct thing yep let's hit our last
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today all right we are back that uh that commercial surprised us 1815 okay so this is
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I'll read it for you, Joel, while you pull it up.
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Yeah, we're going to deal with questions, yeah.
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Question, I hear some folks referencing Jesus saying,
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Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.
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Does this mean we must immediately forgive the unrepentant?
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And this kind of comes to bear, Joel's answer being no,
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they're unrepentant, if anything, they're proud that they did it.
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do you as a christian have to immediately offer them forgiveness when they're unrepentant
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okay you guys said it's it's chapter 17 verse 18 15 no that's church discipline
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um yeah no the one that says 77 times oh how many times must i forgive my brother
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even if he sins against me seven times but i know 18 21 18 21 yeah thank you yeah okay okay
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um yes uh so matthew 18 verse 21 uh then came peter to him and said lord how oft this is the
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king jimmy how oft shall my brother sin against me and i forgive him till seven times jesus saith
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unto him i say not unto thee until seven times but until 70 times seven therefore this is verse
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23 now therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king which would take into account
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this is not i think you want luke 17 3 through 4 is the one you want i have it here i'll read
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okay you read it yep thank you um this says watch yourselves as your brother sins rebuke him and if
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he repents forgive him even if he sins against you seven times in a day and seven times returns
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um to say i repent you must forgive him yes that's what luke 17 what two through four basically two
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through four so that's that's the same this is jesus this is the same narrative that luke's
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recording as matthew uh but per usual luke is uh usually a little bit more thorough right more in
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depth and you know more in depth he was a physician makes sense uh he cared a little bit more about
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details and so um this is so it's not like well in one place in matthew he says this but luke he
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says that no it's the same instance but luke is just giving us a few more pieces of the puzzle
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so that we can see more of what's going on but specifically what i wanted to draw out is um
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luke 17 verse 4 and if you trespass against these seven times in a day and seven times in a day
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turn again to thee saying i repent thou shalt forgive him but look at the verse before that
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it says to rebuke him verse 3 17 uh luke 17 3 yep take heed to yourselves if thy brother trespass
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against thee rebuke him and if he repent forgive him yeah so the lesson is um one that we should
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correct our uh our brothers and and i don't think it's just for brother in christ but um anybody in
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our life who is sinning against us there there should be a willingness to rebuke them to correct
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them but if they repent there's now a moral obligation under god to forgive them so i i
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tweeted out i don't know yesterday or maybe the day before at some point i forgot i i got in trouble
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for like three tweets this week uh one of them went super duper viral but um but i i tweeted out
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uh about this father you know saying you know i forgive and um and some people were giving him a
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hard time and i don't really want to give any father a hard time when his when his son just
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got stabbed you know in the heart that's pretty um obviously that that is um incredibly difficult
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circumstances and so we want to be compassionate so i don't i don't have any correction for the
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father. I'm not going to do that. Yeah, I can't imagine. And so our prayers are with his father.
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But he said, you know, we already forgive this young black boy. And, you know, and then that
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became a thing on social media. You know, people were saying, this is good. This is Christ-like.
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And then others saying, no, you know, he shouldn't forgive. And then some even Christians saying,
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you know he shouldn't forgive and and so I you know entered into the fray and just said that
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when we're sinned against you may when someone sins against you you may forgive them if they
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sin against you and repent you must forgive them so anytime you're sinned against I believe that
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biblically you may forgive them but if they repent they come to you and apologize you must forgive
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them but if somebody sins against you and there's no apology there's no repentance um biblically
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speaking uh there is no commandment uh that says that you are obligated that you must forgive them
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now what i would say and michael we were talking about this as we were prepping for this episode
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um you must not be bitter you must guard against bitterness you must guard against regardless if
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they're repentant or not regardless exactly so no matter what so let's say they don't repent at all
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if they if they don't come to you they don't apologize they don't repent you don't have to
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forgive but you do have to avoid bitterness and so there's a third category here there's bitter
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and then there's forgiveness and then in between there's not offering forgiveness but also not
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harboring bitterness so if someone repents that's what jesus says if your brother sins against you
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not just seven times in a day and notice that the cause it's not just over the course of your life
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if he sins against you not just seven times in a day but but seven times 70 times in one day
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but every single time he comes back and repents and it's like well what kind of repentance is
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that is like is he truly repented if he's in one day keeps doing it again and again and again i'll
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give you one a wife trying to learn submission yeah might be a yes it might have to apologize
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seven times 70 times in a day that's right in especially in our generation when she's swimming
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in feminism and it's all she's ever known and a lot of those decisions were made for her before
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she was ever born and she's trying to honor the lord and turn the tide and go against the grain
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and god god bless that and she might have to apologize seven times 70 times in one day but
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but if she goes and she repents then yes you are obligated to forgive if there's not repentance if
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person doesn't apologize um then you you may forgive um but you are not obvious if if someone
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says this person murdered my son and he's laughing and i'm not saying that that's what's happening in
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this case i don't know that actually happened in that case where that black woman stabbed the
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young boy i remember that and smiled and laughed about it the three-year-old boy three-year-old
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white boy no motive no anything just because he's white yeah so she killed real quick in that case
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and she's laughing uh those parents do not need to forgive that woman they there's no biblical
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commandment that obligates them to where they must because must means that if you do anything else
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you're instead if those parents say uh we we don't forgive her um she's laughing at the death of our
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child she stabbed our three-year-old boy just because he's white and um and she's laughing
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she's not apologetic she's not sorry there is no repentance and therefore we don't forgive but
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um we are going to pray and be on our knees and ask the lord please help us not to be bitter
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and heal us because there's a hole in our hearts please heal us restore us revive us and help us
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not to become jaded not to become bitter to be wise not to be stupid and naive either that we
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could read statistics as christians so we're not praying that the lord would make us stupid
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right the the opposite of bitterness is those aren't your two options you can be bitter you
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can be dumb no you can avoid bitterness and and also avoid naivety so help us lord to be wise
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shrewd as serpents to know what world we live in to know what's going on and to look it right in
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the face and not lie about it we don't need to be deceitful and we don't need to be naive but we
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also don't need to be bitter we don't need to be jaded we don't need to be unjustifiably angry
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sinfully angry in your anger do not sin so lord help us with that and also we do not forgive this
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woman who has not asked for our forgiveness right because she's laughing at the fact that she stabbed
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our three-year-old white son and and killed him um that is a perfectly biblical position the bible
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does not obligate so to the question that we had in the chat was well what about jesus and so my
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answer of course is um that's jesus that's a descriptive not prescriptive giving a moral
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command that all of us are obligated to follow. Instead, that's a descriptive text of what Jesus,
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the Son of God, did. And there's a difference in what Jesus, a descriptive text about Jesus,
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versus a prescriptive text about you. I'll say that again. We have to read the Bible with good
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biblical hermeneutics. There's a difference between a descriptive text about Jesus and a
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prescriptive text about you. Not everything that Jesus did are you commanded to do.
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Now, do we want, in a general sense, to model our lives after the example that Jesus set for us?
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Of course. And many of the things that Jesus did were obeying God's universal moral commands,
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his Father's commands, that do apply to us. But if I'm reading about Jesus fasting for 40 days
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and 40 nights and i think you know and i start to say well if every christian doesn't have at least
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one season in their life where they go without food and water for 40 days and 40 nights then
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they're not being like jesus and therefore it is a moral sin well that's dumb yeah that's that's
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not biblical that's not how we use the bible yes it's in the bible but that's not how we read the
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bible and that's not how we apply the bible so there are plenty of descriptive texts about jesus
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that even describe aspects of his righteousness,
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it is not the same as a universal moral commandment
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that all of us have to forgive anyone and everyone
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Should we look to a descriptive text of what Jesus does, or should we look to a prescriptive
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text of what Jesus literally commands? We should look to the latter. Jesus told us
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when we're obligated to forgive. We don't have to guess about this. So we don't have to follow
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the descriptive text about Jesus. We can follow the prescriptive text about us given by Jesus.
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And what Jesus specifically says is that you are morally bound and obligated to forgive
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Because it's partly in what the definition of forgiveness is.
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and it's like you can't be resolved with someone who isn't repentant yeah there's another there's
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another aspect to this because the question was about jesus on the cross father forgive them
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for they know not what they do when you look carefully at that passage the immediate people
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that are being talked about in the verse before that and in that verse and then it switches focus
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in the next verse the next verse says the people stood watching and the ruler sneered at him
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But in 33 and 34, it's talking about the soldiers who went out and crucified Christ.
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I heard R. McIntyre say, as he was talking about this, I thought it was brilliant.
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He said, these were soldiers who showed up to do their job.
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They had crucified lots of criminals because that's what their job was to do by the Roman government.
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And Jesus is saying, because that's the immediate context right there, fathered them.
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please do not please forgive them they literally don't know what they're doing but the jewish
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people even maybe pilot possibly they they knew what they were doing that's right and so the reason
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why the forgiveness is given is because they don't know they don't know and i i'm going to go one step
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further this is my interpretation of it but i've looked into some different reformers and um i so
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if you if you look at the crucifixion of jesus where this scene takes place and it following
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right on the heels of you know jesus in the garden of gethsemane as he's praying right before his
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arrest and and in his prayer he literally says i do not pray for the world right right this is not
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a universal prayer right i'm not praying for everybody and anybody you know who's ever lived
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no but rather father i pray for those whom you have given that's right that's right um so it's
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the limited atonement so he's the limited atonement exactly so jesus um is he's praying
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for his disciples, immediate disciples, which would disclude Judas, because by this point,
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Judas has gone out and handed over to Satan, filled with Satan, to do what the son of perdition
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was destined to do. Jesus already, you know, he already put his hand, you know, into the bowl
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with the bread, you know, with Jesus, and Satan filled him, and he ran out. And so, Jesus is not
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praying for Judas, so he prays for his disciples, not for the world, but those you've given me,
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his immediate disciples first discluding judas and then he says and all those who you will give
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to me for future disciples and that includes 2 000 years later you know you and i uh but but it
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also includes um people who would have uh who would would believe uh the gospel of jesus uh
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soon after his crucifixion and i believe my my position is because was it not one of those roman
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soldiers who after jesus died after he prays on the cross forgive them for they know not what they
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do truly comes and stabs him in the side doesn't break his legs so that the scripture would be
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fulfilled not one bone of his body would be broken stabs him the side with a spear two streams of
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water and blood come out and he says surely this was the son of god i think that's probably one of
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the roman soldiers that jesus is saying forgive them for they know not what i think he's speaking
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to the romans he said so he's not just saying forgive everybody and anybody everywhere because
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here's the deal here's the point this is right why i bring up his prayer in the garden of
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jesus does not pray against the will of god the father that would be heretical that's crazy
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i mean come on let's get some good trinitarian doctrine here you know um so god is one in
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essence three in person the will of god is belonging to essence not person there are not
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three wills within the trinity but rather one however within the second member of the trinity
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he has two natures two essences the divine essence the divine nature and not as a substitution but
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in addition he is added to his divinity in the the in car uh in uh incarnation the second uh nature
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which is his humanity and because there are two essences not two people it's not schizophrenia
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jesus is one person but with two natures and because there are two natures and will is
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belonging to nature jesus the second member of the godhead had two wills he had the divine will
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which he shared in the one will of the godhead with the father and the spirit but then also the
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human will that's why he prays not my will but yours be done meaning not the second person in
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the trinity but the first person no not my that is my human will but thy that is the divine will
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which the divinity of christ shared with the father and the spirit that will let that will
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be done so jesus does not pray or ask or do or say or think anything that is in contradiction
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and against the godhead against the father i and the father are one that's one of the things he
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literally prays for in the same text john 17 i pray that that that all those that you've given
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to me that we would be one even as you and i father are one that they would share in that same
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perfect unity a perfect united will that we want the same things desire the same things love the
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same things hate the same things so jesus is never doing anything against the father he's never saying
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anything against the father and he's also never praying anything against the father and even the
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one time where you even it's only one moment that you even see a distinction in wills even there
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it's not that it's not two members of the godhead willing against one another but the two natures
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within the sun willing against one another the human nature and even then they're not willing
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against one another it's just showing that there are two distinct wills but still aligned because
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in his human will he's saying but not my human will the human will is fully submitted to the
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divine will even though it will cost me dearly even death on a tree so all that being said when
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jesus says father forgive them for they know not what they do jesus is not going to ask the father
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to forgive sin of those who are not elect jesus is referencing i have to believe this to be
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consistent biblically jesus when he says forgive them he's asking the father to forgive the same
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group of people that he's bleeding out and dying for he's asking the father he cannot be asking
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the father to forgive sin that he himself is not dying for that he's not paying for he's asking
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the father to forgive the same sin that he is simultaneously in that moment paying for by his
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blood by his life and so so then who is it that he's praying for every single person in all the
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world no i think he's praying particularly for the people who are right there doing it physically
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doing it to him driving the nails right hoisting up the cross mocking him spitting on him he's
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praying i think for the romans and here's the thing we know at least one of those romans and
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i think because jesus prayed it i'm going to believe i'm going to intuit and conclude here
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that uh that many of those roman soldiers actually came to saving faith consider their religious
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perspective they were going to talk that night yes that guy that realized that that was christ
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all of them are thinking this is a god man of some sort that's in their mythology and then
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they're all going to say we are and there's no way we can come back from this except that christ
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said out loud father forgive them they don't know what they're doing that's so good mike that'll
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preach so it's like imagine that you're the person who literally drove the nails through his
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hands and and and and so he has this experience one of those roman soldiers with with the blood
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and the water but then also exactly there's all these supernatural things but then also there's
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another big one uh the resurrection just a few days later he literally comes back to life and
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you might be one of the soldiers who drove the nails through his hands and then also was standing
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guard assigned at the tomb yeah and then all of a sudden like the stone is rolled away you know
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and all these things take place and and and he's he's resurrected and the jews were the one
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uh the ones who came up with this this uh talk the bible says this the rumor that oh the body
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was stolen whatever but if you're one of those roman guards you know that's not true you know
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that that's the jews are lying that's not true i was standing guard he is actually risen but but
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imagine at a personal level you're like so he really was the son of god he really did die for
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the sins of the world and i'm the one who nailed him there well he died for the sins of a bunch of
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people but not mine there's no way he could forgive me oh wait but i heard him yep and he
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specifically referenced me forgive them for they know not what they do now that'll preach i think
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that's who jesus so all the way back to the question so so then we should forgive everyone
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and anyone all the time nope um because that's not what jesus commands go to prescriptive text
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from jesus rather than descriptive text about jesus and even with a descriptive text about jesus
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that's still not in the description the description does not say that jesus forgave
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everyone universally in the whole world no hell is empty yeah jesus has forgiven his people those
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whom he knows the father had given to him or would give to him jesus has forgiven the elect
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jesus has not forgiven the people who are paying for their sin in eternity in hell their sins were
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not forgiven by jesus and they are not the people that jesus was referencing on the cross so
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what's that oh a subtle question okay uh let's keep going chats yeah super chats i'll go through
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quick evan davies five dollars thanks so much in the uk we are told not to look back in anger
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that's quoting an oasis song i mean islamic attacks occur people are indeed coached on
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what to say i i believe it and if you do speak up jail yep straight to jail wait what was that go
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go up what was that question not to look back and he was a comment he was saying in the uk there
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If something happens, like the grooming gangs, they're coached not to look at that and be angry.
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Thanks, brothers, for the solid work y'all do for the kingdom.
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Cameron Stevenson, I know we already did it, but $20.
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Please offer your thoughts on the question about forgiveness.
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jeff halfley here we go a couple comments some of them are just probably my best friend have you
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guys have you heard of him before what have you heard of him i've heard of him a couple times
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whispering on the wind it's like when you listen to or mcintyre's like creep uh creeper weirdos
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like literally every episode but jeff halfley is a much better name than creeper weirdo yes so
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jeff is like a handsome dude he does super chat thanks jeff mental illness is often correlate
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with body illness pre-modern medicine sickly people often died to remove the more mentally
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ill prone people from the gene pool yeah i honestly in history most men 70 80 of them
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they didn't get to have children they died in war they none of their children survived
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like they just straight up didn't have a lineage i mean i mean i'm not like i'm not arguing with
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you that's just a shocking some of the breakdowns with war and stuff and like you look at like the
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outcomes of their children like john owen didn't have a child that survived into adulthood normal
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in the old testament that they were going to have kids but yeah that's that's some estimates i've
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heard that there's there are just a number of men that just their line doesn't continue so uh and
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to the case mental illness physical illness not finding a spouse but i have children but i've been
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reliably reassured that if your line doesn't continue that who cares because at the end of
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the day what we want to do is be forgotten and all that matters is our name is written in i want to
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be the dead end of 5 000 years of ancestors right that's my that's my goal like if you're really
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gospel centered and you and you got that jesus juke down then what you say is uh i just want to
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be forgotten remembered by no one zero posterity my lineage ended all my ancestors and all the
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things that they've accumulated and passed down i snuff it out in one generation but uh but my name
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is in the land i had netflix i had netflix and my name is in the land book of life and i said the
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sinner's prayer um and i had been told by by reformed pastors that that's godly and that
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it's actually vanity to want to be remembered here on earth whereas the irony obviously i'm
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being sarcastic uh i'm not sarcastic about the reformed pastor thing that's well casting crowns
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that song like i don't care if they remember me i don't want to leave a legacy only jesus and i get
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what they're saying there in that building a name for yourself in pride sure that's a possibility
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yeah you can do it with over correct please do it with pride but here's the deal one of the
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strictest judgments that god would would levy against people who would sin against him greatly
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is is that they would be forgotten not just in the life to come but forgotten their name would
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be forgotten from the earth that he would end their legacy on the earth that he would end their
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lineage that he would not give them posterity that their name would be blotted out from all the earth
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it is actually a great honor a good name you think of the proverbs that's talking about a good name
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not just your name eternally written in the land's book of life but here on earth a good name is is of
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of incredible worth incredible value uh that's just not people who are saying these they're just
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they haven't read the bible yes you do want to be remembered on earth and you want to be remembered
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well for being courageous for being righteous for standing up for god's truth and you want to have
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posterity and you want them to have pasta you want to for generation to generation to generation and
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that you would be remembered as as someone who feared the lord and who did mighty things in his
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name um none of that necessity you can desire those things arrogantly but it does not necessitate
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arrogance yep jeff halfley two dollars the old testament law had an amazing passive eugenic
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effect it did super chat five dollars this is interesting if lincoln had given 40 acres and a
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mule to each freed slave family in liberia what did you do you see as the outcome in that time
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in our present time and so Liberia was a colony set up in Africa for slaves that had been freed
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that wanted to return to Africa they're largely Protestant even still to this day um gentlemen
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how do they actually model their constitution off of our constitution so it's kind of a satellite
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in many ways how do we think Liberia is doing today I don't think it's doing well it's not very
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yeah that's what I thought it's a it's a terrible place for crime and life expectancy and all of
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that and so i i'm i'm skeptical outside of a type of colonial oversight like they had in Rhodesia
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that 40 acres and a mule would have worked well lincoln's plan all of that at least for a time
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that's not necessary to say for all time there always would have needed to be but there was no
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way because we know because a bunch of protestant christian freed slaves went to start a new colony
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and it went terribly i've heard wes or joel can you confirm that one of the plans that was in
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place was that texas would be opened as a place to resettle freed slaves is this am i totally off
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on this definitely floated sending them back to africa i've never been aware of here in the
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united states i thought there was like a territory that they had talked about like
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pretty brutal like yeah he was not the first anti-racist yeah well there were guys i mean
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i mean he was a you know clearly you know absolutely uh you know a white supremacist
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most people oh he lived in the 1800s so you repeat yourself yeah that's true but you know
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the things he said um were things that most people today would be highly offended by antonio fight
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you over this antonio's a lincoln appreciated oh yeah i thought you said he was smart i i thought
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so and then he defended oh that's well his his argument is that that lincoln's doing the best
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he can in that context in this circumstance when you have a new federal states you have this federal
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system and he really sees it as the best way to keep this union together and so he feels the need
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with fort sunter and all of that that that's the argument and there are historians that make that
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argument it's not to be fair to antonio he's done the reading yes yes on this topic he's done a lot
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what i was going to say though is uh there were a lot of people who suggested sending all the
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freed slaves out west but lincoln from from my reading he was one of the biggest guys against
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that because he was like well us northerners uh we want to settle the west and we don't want to
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live next to them right so that was so there's your hero i'm the reason i'm saying that is because
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there's so many libs you know that like lincoln is our guy you know and he like in a way he kind
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of is in a way he kind of is federal oversight right right centralized government taking away
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states rights uh you know destroying the constitution so he is the libs guys in the
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sense of like they hate america he also ruined america so he is their guy but uh but apart
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they think he's their guy like because he's anti-racist
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not not old age we're back to the anakin meme anyway yeah exactly mb east can you address the
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tim pool post tim pool i do you know what they're talking so it's uh i think it's the one where
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we'll describe it as self-defense on kamala anthony oh interesting what so okay yeah i can't
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pull a libertarian yeah i can't describe it i'm gonna do it i'm gonna do it publicly happy to
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describe the tim pool situation tim pool has gotten the call many many many times but he's
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gotten like a like some heavy calls as recently uh he and some other influencers went to the white
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house and got a good stern talking to from president trump of course right from from yeah
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from the zionists who are in the president yeah not from not from the zionists uh from the president
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but not trump from the real president right yeah so he sat down with bibby yeah and uh closed room
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no recording no that's right and other influencers and got a good stern talking to and i mean you can
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watch the clip it's gone viral a ton of times where like somebody on the show is like well you
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know but this kind of is like has to do with israel and he's like wait what'd you say don't say that
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bro you know like um so in terms of uh tim pool post like i understand this doesn't have to do
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necessarily with anti-semitism but that it's the same thing anti-semitism is just one one subgroup
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of of being racist um so tim pool is um it's just like i've listened to tim pool he's he has some
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decent things every now and then i'm not trying to be you know a jerk about it but just everyone
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needs to recognize like he's a milquetoast fence sitter yes he is he is a liberal the dude is not
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a conservative not even close and he absolutely is in the pocket although i think he's on your
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side with lincoln with uh lincoln being a bad guy no incredible that's shocking do you know how long
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ago that he posted that it was uh it was this week i want to say it was either probably wednesday
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matt walsh posted anthony did not fear for his life he felt disrespected that's not the same
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thing you can't kill someone simply because you don't like how they talk to you it's mind-boggling
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i have to explain this tim pool retweeted and said i agree with this that was five hours ago
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yeah okay so here's the thing with altercations how many brothers have not just like gotten testy
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with one another and done some shoving brawled punched each other in the face oh yeah like
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honestly like you read like gone with the wind and obviously that's fiction but like the platoons
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would drill on saturday morning and then go to the bar and brawl until the officers pull them off
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of one another all of that is just a standard part of being male and sports and everything i don't
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play risk anymore because my brother and i got in so many fistfights over it literal fistfights
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did it ever occur to you though to take a kitchen knife out and stab him in the sternum
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that you consider that as an option yeah now um like men men brawl so they're not the problem is
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not an altercation it's the incredible escalation and the lack of control to say i just this is
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going to kill someone like a knife is not it's not tripping and someone falls off a pier and
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hits their hits their head there is a legitimate category of we were we were wrestling we were
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arguing we were fighting someone slips they hit their head that's not what we're talking about
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right we're talking about impulse we're talking about i don't care what impact this has and i'm
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just going to do it i am going to say i know you guys i'm always the wet blanket but the derek
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chauvin i maintained a let's wait and see what the full investigation comes out and says so yeah
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yeah oh yeah sure no there there's still facts but even if austin said something terrible to him
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agree still wouldn't just agree i i think he probably did say something terrible to him and
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then i've been wrong yep and the response yes maybe punch him in the face yeah maybe a punch
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maybe yep yep yep um but yeah to answer mb east uh can you address the temple post it sounds like
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he walked it back but i will say that um i i just i want our listeners to be aware because i know
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that some of our listeners will listen to temple and um uh yeah tim temple is uh not i i just i
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don't think he's not i don't think he's reliable he doesn't claim to be conservative either he
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brings people in the way rogan does yeah he doesn't claim to be conservative he says i'm a moderate
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liberal uh so by his you know to to speak well of him he's honest about that but what i'm saying is
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that uh even even as a moderate liberal um i i i still wouldn't trust him um because i i think he
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i think he's um beholden to israel he took that tenant media money in russia they invested a
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couple hundred million dollars he was a big part of that tenant media conglomerate that got together
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so he has a price he has a price yeah i wouldn't i would not listen to him um okay all right that's
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it thanks for tuning in and uh lord willing we will see you on monday