The NXR Podcast - THE LIVESTREAM - Karmelo Anthony, White Flight, and the Bible Belt

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00:03:00.000 all right good afternoon we are here good afternoon

00:03:15.040 thank goodness we're back on the track uh wednesday was our first episode back in the

00:03:21.860 studio since the conference monday we did a rerun uh we did well i mean it's kind of fitting with

00:03:28.020 today's topic so we took an episode that got a lot of attention a lot of positive attention a lot

00:03:34.080 of negative attention per usual something that was controversial that we don't necessarily think

00:03:39.280 should be controversial but at the current stage of discourse where we're at as Americans it it is

00:03:44.740 and so we did a replay of an episode that we did on genetics and the gospel and today we find

00:03:52.160 ourselves with that you know just in the province of God we replayed that episode but here we are

00:03:56.540 four days later that was monday's episode and now it's friday and we're going to be covering uh the

00:04:02.340 recent stabbing that just occurred where a young black man stabbed a young white man in the heart

00:04:07.680 and he quickly bled out and died in his twin brother's arms and we now have the black community

00:04:14.100 um working as hard as they can to raise hundreds of thousands of dollars to get uh this young black

00:04:20.520 man who has admitted to murdering a young white man out of prison because now this might shock

00:04:27.620 you but because he's the real victim yeah so that's the framework for today's episode and

00:04:33.800 wes you've prepared today's episode so we're going to let you go ahead and lead out just for clarity

00:04:37.920 i think he's admitted to killing him right yes maybe not admitted to murdering him well yeah

00:04:44.200 he's admitted to stabbing him in the heart um yes to be yeah to be fair uh we call that you know

00:04:50.740 uh in this house we call that murder but uh yes he is admitted to that and that's where we are

00:04:56.540 yep so this happened last thursday it happened a mere three hours about from where we are so this

00:05:00.820 is in a suburb of dallas a little bit north of it in frisco texas and we're talking about i mean

00:05:05.900 the greatest pastime in texas which is sports uh my goodness people love their sports here in texas

00:05:11.800 And you had an event that, I mean, how many of these go down every single day?

00:05:15.760 You have young athletes, young men especially, they're competing.

00:05:19.220 Austin Metcalf had a number of offers already to D1 Colleges, who is a bright young man

00:05:23.920 looking forward to a career, to a future, hopefully in sports.

00:05:27.740 And then this happened, and the altercation as described by various witnesses, the best

00:05:31.900 I can piece it together, is that there was a tent, and Austin believed it had been reserved

00:05:36.000 for them.

00:05:36.860 Carmelo believed he had a right to be there.

00:05:38.480 and what happened was carmelo said uh don't touch me or you'll find out or you'll do something

00:05:44.060 because he pushed him just because he asserted that the tent was his space so austin came in

00:05:48.980 hey this is my space whatever it may be that do we know do we have any like validation if he laid

00:05:54.540 hands on him so what happened was it sounds like he touched him like we're talking touching the

00:05:58.460 shoulder did that to carmelo exactly the white man this is our tent yep or even a little bit of

00:06:03.080 aggregation it was like don't touch me you'll find out and then he did touch him i see so the

00:06:09.160 young black man he said don't touch me yeah yeah and then he touched it but it wasn't he didn't 0.51

00:06:13.380 throw a punch nope yeah not that no we didn't throw a punch so we touched him and that is

00:06:17.720 aggregating i think if you were to teach your sons you know discipline and self-control

00:06:21.180 just in general be it your brothers at home be it other athletes uh you know someone says like

00:06:27.320 don't touch me or all that's not the type of person to just mess with we're going to talk

00:06:30.680 about prudence and wisdom later on and so in response to being touched several more words

00:06:34.960 were offered but we're talking like in a matter of seconds yeah like this was not five minutes

00:06:38.800 of back and forth and verbal parents are surrounding in a matter of 30 seconds Camarlo

00:06:42.960 reaches in his bag pulls out a knife and as we explained in the cold open sounded like the audio

00:06:48.080 wasn't quite working but he stabbed him in the heart and he bled out right there Camarlo ran

00:06:52.940 away was quickly picked up by police um the witnesses identified him he like you said Michael

00:06:58.180 he said yeah I did this but claims to be acting in self-defense and so this happened last Thursday

00:07:04.620 obviously we had the conference and it's good with stories like these to also wait and see

00:07:08.480 what kind of impact are they having how are people thinking about this what are they pulling away

00:07:13.040 from it but they've pulled away from it kind of a story that's been running through our American

00:07:18.800 ethos for a long time and that is the tension between blacks and whites and and the accusations

00:07:24.760 and the finger pointing.

00:07:25.760 If you remember, me and Michael were talking on the way over George Floyd.

00:07:28.900 So George Floyd, you had this video, this cop kneeling on his neck.

00:07:31.960 And what the black community did is they said, here it is.

00:07:34.640 And what they did is they tied it to the larger trend. 0.76

00:07:37.140 So you've got an unarmed black man.

00:07:39.000 He's got being kneeled on by the cop, execution by the state.

00:07:42.040 And there's thousands.

00:07:43.500 This was their claim.

00:07:44.520 I mean, there were some, a number of individuals.

00:07:46.540 They thought 10,000 some black men, unarmed black men were being killed by police in the

00:07:51.300 United States every single year.

00:07:52.700 Like when they would do man on the street interviews or whatever.

00:07:54.280 Exactly. This is a pandemic. This is systemic. We are just being hunted. Now, really, it turned

00:08:01.700 out the Washington Post did an analysis and the true number was 18. But this type of back and

00:08:06.600 forth has happened again and again. It has been a central tension. And this stabbing and this

00:08:11.420 incident was yet another case in a long list of, I think, egregences would be a good term for it,

00:08:17.100 of one side looking at the other and say, we've received endless violence, endless assault,

00:08:22.160 endless injustice on our end. And to be honest, and we'll get to this later in the episode,

00:08:27.680 people might do something about it. And to kind of demonstrate how aware people are of the political

00:08:32.580 and the racial ramifications of it, let's show this first video, Nate. This is from Anthony

00:08:37.380 Carmelo's, or I'm sorry, Austin Metcalfe's father. 17-year-old Austin Metcalfe died in his twin

00:08:42.840 brother's arms. His father, Jeff Metcalfe, is speaking out about the tragedy. And Jeff joins

00:08:48.160 I THINK THAT'S A GOOD

00:08:51.000 SIGNIFICANT.

00:08:51.500 I THINK THAT'S A GOOD

00:08:53.920 SIGNIFICANT.

00:08:54.720 FIRST OF ALL, JEFF, LET ME

00:08:56.480 START BY SAYING THERE AREN'T

00:08:57.680 WORDS TO EXPRESS HOW SHOCKED

00:08:59.500 AND SADDENED WE ARE BY YOUR

00:09:00.980 LOSS.

00:09:01.400 AS A PARENT OF A 14-YEAR-OLD

00:09:03.440 BOY AND AN OLDER MAN WHO IS

00:09:05.260 NOW MAKING HIS OWN WAY IN THE 0.99

00:09:06.800 WORLD, I CAN'T IMAGINE HOW

00:09:08.260 YOU'RE FACING THE REST OF YOUR

00:09:10.020 LIFE WITHOUT YOUR SON.

00:09:11.160 I WANTED TO ASK YOU THIS

00:09:12.600 QUESTION.

00:09:13.120 I KNOW 17 YEARS OLD IS

00:09:14.600 AMAZING.

00:09:15.220 AND HE WAS AN AMAZING KID TOO.

00:09:16.700 WE'LL GET YOU TO SPEAK ABOUT

00:09:18.160 He goes to a track meet on Wednesday and is murdered.

00:09:22.780 What happened?

00:09:26.520 I wish I had all the answers.

00:09:29.100 The answer is my son is gone and he'll never come home again.

00:09:35.860 I want to clarify something right off the start because I've already heard some rumors and gossip.

00:09:41.400 This was not a race thing.

00:09:43.440 This is not a political thing.

00:09:44.940 Please do not comment if you do not know what happened.

00:09:48.740 Try. Do not turn this into a racial thing.

00:09:51.280 It was not. Do not politicize this. It's not.

00:09:54.880 This is a human being thing.

00:09:57.780 This person made a bad choice and affected both his family and my family forever.

00:10:05.720 It's a very unfortunate thing, but I know exactly what was happening.

00:10:10.180 His brother was there who tried to save him, and he died in his arms.

00:10:14.940 So if you weren't there, please don't don't spread rumors.

00:10:19.640 His twin brother, Hunter, was there. And as we pointed out at the top of this, his twin brother tried to save him, couldn't save him.

00:10:25.980 And Austin died in his arms. He spent the last moments of his life in his brother's arms as he went to to meet God.

00:10:32.220 But what did Hunter tell you happened?

00:10:34.540 well the track name was being delayed uh each individual high schools had like their own

00:10:43.480 little tents to go sit under and they were sitting under the memorial high school tent

00:10:48.700 the individual was saying some words and they turned to him and said who are you and he said

00:10:55.360 i'm mellow he said and he had a centennial track you sweat on he said hey man you're in the wrong

00:11:01.800 spot you need to go sit with your team um words were then exchanged

00:11:07.360 i'm not going to get into the exact details i know what my son told me

00:11:13.420 but they asked him to move and when asking when austin grabbed his backpack to move

00:11:20.140 take it he stabbed him in the chest and killed him oh my gosh

00:11:25.660 so that's the the side from the father and we're not going to pick on the dad here that's an

00:11:33.920 incredible loss and so i can't imagine yeah we would certainly and this has happened before so

00:11:40.720 i can speak to it as a broader trend but you've had a lot of times happen where this has happened

00:11:44.680 in england for example there will be a stabbing and it'll be someone that's an immigrant or a

00:11:48.700 muslim and they're so quick to come out and say don't politicize this they've actually there's

00:11:53.920 been different scenarios where it looked like they were even coached that the tragedy happened

00:11:58.220 you have some type of police service or some type of NGO on the scene very quickly getting to the

00:12:03.320 parents and saying you need to come out and need to be very clear you cannot make this about race

00:12:08.440 don't say things that would be inflammatory because I think many of them sense in a way what

00:12:12.920 we all kind of know tensions are high you can't bring in the millions of people that we brought

00:12:18.460 into the United States and into Europe into Britain you can't bring those people in that 1.00

00:12:23.480 that don't share our culture many of them not fit for civilized society you can't bring them in and 1.00

00:12:28.760 expect there not to be resistance when there's fallout where were those ngos when lebron james 1.00

00:12:35.520 was saying that he can't step outside of his front door without being hunted in the street as a black

00:12:40.840 man by cops like to to come out and say don't make this about race when in 2013 14 15 16 17 18 19 20

00:12:51.880 21 22 uh you you literally had in the reverse you had the black community being encouraged

00:12:59.960 all the time by organizations by the media by politicians um to make everything about race

00:13:08.880 like i remember woke wars one i remember 2020 i remember what it was said i remember being a part

00:13:15.420 of acts 29 you know and pastors leaders in the movement um trying you know to to brainwash us

00:13:23.000 with their propaganda and to give this impression that that there were just hundreds if not thousands

00:13:29.140 you know some people said thousands of unarmed black men who were just you know just like a like

00:13:36.340 a firing squad just you know just right there executed in the street by some white police

00:13:41.280 officer and then we finally get the details and it's like 18 i think was the number 18 18 000 i'm

00:13:47.880 sure no yeah no 18 18 and in many of those cases it was still debatable where somebody is is holding

00:13:55.680 something that looks like a weapon right they're reaching into their glove compartment and not

00:13:59.880 being compliant when the officer says put your hands behind your head and so we don't know and

00:14:04.640 turns out there wasn't a gun but the officer doesn't know what he's reaching for what it is

00:14:09.260 he's trying to grab um 18 but we were made to think that it was thousands that there was just

00:14:16.360 this epidemic you know that it was genocide that it was literally that there was a black genocide

00:14:21.920 that was happening in our country and that you know white people in general and white police

00:14:27.660 officers in specific were the culprits and so it was constantly being uh encouraged to make it

00:14:33.300 racial. But when a young white boy is stabbed in the heart by a young black boy, immediately it

00:14:41.040 de-escalates. It has nothing to do with race. And sometimes Christianity is weaponized. Oh, 0.94

00:14:48.740 you're a Christian? The Christian thing you have to do is to come out and to forgive and to wish

00:14:53.000 no ill arm and wish that he'd be taken care of. They weaponize our own religion for the destruction 1.00

00:14:57.760 of our heritage um two comments on this one i just want to steel man what the guy said because

00:15:04.900 when i heard this interview the first time what i heard him saying was carmelo did not kill my son

00:15:13.680 because my son is white right right so not that we are not um not that we're not supposed to ask

00:15:24.300 questions about the nature of um the rift in the country but mainly i don't think this was a

00:15:34.180 black on white sort of he killed him because he's white that's what i heard the first time

00:15:38.920 like a hate crime category like i did this crime i admit to a category that shouldn't 0.93

00:15:43.440 even exist right well it can exist like you can there's crime it's murder you know oh as far as

00:15:51.900 like a greater a greater degree of penalty 100 what i'm saying is just yes it's it's it's oh

00:15:57.340 well this is really bad no i agree with that no murder is murder theft is theft it's just it's

00:16:02.560 just a crime yeah um i also heard on oran that west there is an actual government agency that

00:16:09.560 goes around and coaches people um federally on these sorts of things and now the father was on

00:16:16.200 the news pretty quickly we don't know that we're not saying he necessarily was coached or not but

00:16:20.720 this agency in the u.s actually does exist and let me parse out too very quickly because we just

00:16:25.440 had a recent high profile murder which was luigi so that young man who came out same thing he's

00:16:30.740 italian correct yeah another reason we should never let the italians in here but um he was italian and

00:16:36.220 he shot the ceo of united healthcare and even there the motive is still murky and i've had to

00:16:40.960 do with some medical denials just a you know flipping the bird to the system but that's a

00:16:46.220 different type of uh in psychology would be a sociopathic or psychopathic behavior so you're

00:16:50.880 talking premeditated you're talking i know the consequences of this i know that i'll go to prison

00:16:55.500 i'm okay with those consequences i've committed my life to doing this terrible act so you have

00:17:00.600 those types of of crimes psychopathic sociopathic by all accounts with this murder that we can see 0.92

00:17:07.460 there's another high profile case where a black woman stabbed a three-year-old white boy out front 0.95

00:17:12.500 of a supermarket in Ohio.

00:17:14.860 They had no prior connection.

00:17:16.120 She had not been stalking the family.

00:17:17.860 She didn't know him.

00:17:19.300 It was a crime of passion, of impulse,

00:17:22.240 that right in that moment, Carmelo Anthony,

00:17:24.620 me and Michael were talking about this on the way over,

00:17:26.660 this was a kid who sounded like he actually

00:17:28.040 had a pretty decent upbringing.

00:17:29.400 He had parents in the home.

00:17:30.500 You mean Carmelo?

00:17:31.280 Carmelo Anthony, yep.

00:17:32.260 So he had a decent upbringing.

00:17:33.860 He wasn't involved in crime.

00:17:35.300 He's not from downtown Detroit.

00:17:37.680 Kid with a decent upbringing, and in that moment, 0.96

00:17:39.940 so furious so aggravated so aggrieved that he decided the best response was to stab this man

00:17:46.560 right in the chest and so when you're thinking about and even the old testament does this with

00:17:50.680 crimes of accident versus passion all of those um think about the sociopathic side which really

00:17:56.480 exists and there's real statistics because it'd be easy to say okay well there's this incident but

00:18:00.520 what about luigi you know an italian man that shot to death those are different categories and that

00:18:05.040 impulsive one all that to say people don't leave communities for domestic violence so domestic

00:18:10.080 violence is terrible and it happens i'd often be man on women's not racially based but a man

00:18:14.560 being domestically abusive towards his wife or to his girlfriend or to his children

00:18:19.200 those are terrible but it doesn't disrupt and destroy the trust of a community the way that

00:18:26.060 random impulsive violence does when you think about a town and its cohesion when you think

00:18:31.840 about your children and where they live and them feeling safe yeah for domestic violence the only

00:18:35.680 only motivation that that would incentivize is okay maybe i need to get out of this marriage

00:18:40.860 or maybe i need right but it doesn't say like um i don't know if i can go to the grocery store

00:18:46.260 right right but these kinds of random acts of violence that's that's what's running through

00:18:51.280 people's minds and real quick just biblically speaking um you know we have first degree second

00:18:56.920 degree and then we have you know third degree or manslaughter um in our legal system first degree

00:19:02.400 is premeditated uh second degree is i didn't plan to kill you but um it's a crime of passion right

00:19:07.880 so in a moment of rage um i was enraged and and elevated to that level so i wasn't plotting for

00:19:14.420 weeks and thinking about it you know but so this would be kind of second uh it would be second

00:19:18.580 degree uh murder and then manslaughter is it was an accident biblically speaking car accident or

00:19:23.240 something yeah exactly i hit somebody while driving drunk i there was no malice you know

00:19:27.360 there was no um but it was negligence it's still my fault i'm still responsible for it

00:19:32.020 um but but it's my fault by way of negligence not not uh any level of intent biblically speaking

00:19:37.700 the old testament uh second degree murder is not a category and i think that's important for the

00:19:42.280 listener to know there's just murder and then there's the uh the manslayer um there's manslaughter

00:19:48.200 for the for what would you say about when the master beats the slave so it would be passion

00:19:52.860 and and he and this is old testament specifically we're not porting it and if he lasts for a couple

00:19:57.860 days as in right rings his clock good but in a couple days later he does actually succumb to his

00:20:02.900 wounds right he's not guilty versus he is if he dies nearby would you see maybe a little bit of

00:20:07.480 a parsing there of a of a passion in a moment and if it gets to the point of damage then it's one

00:20:12.280 thing but if it didn't quite happen there in the moment be a little bit different than straight up

00:20:17.060 murder or accidental um i i would say that uh that's just not a particularly helpful category

00:20:23.740 because it gets into slavery in the old testament okay and property and so um i think that's

00:20:30.120 different than i'm enraged and uh and the and and just by laying a hand on you at all i'm already

00:20:36.940 sinning um you know that i've already breached um what you know what parameters the lord has

00:20:43.480 assigned to me yes um yeah i think that that's that's that's different but what i was going to

00:20:49.140 say is that in the case of manslaughter in the old testament there were cities of refuge and

00:20:54.260 they were all set up geographically um i forget how many maybe six um cities of refuge where

00:21:00.460 basically they were all set up uh systematically uh geographically in such a way that they would

00:21:06.220 all be one day's travel so somebody who accidentally killed someone and the examples that are given is

00:21:11.820 like um you know like you're you're you know on a job site you know and you have a hammer and it

00:21:18.400 flies out of your hand and hits someone in the in the head and kills them so it's not like i was

00:21:23.600 beating my slave and i beat him too much it's like purely accidental purely accidental and in those

00:21:29.880 cases the reason why there were cities of refuge is you would have um it would be urgent you would

00:21:34.560 be on the run for your life because the avenger of blood that's right uh would be the closest of kin

00:21:39.600 male closest of kin to the one who who was killed and it would be within his legal rights to kill you

00:21:46.160 if he found you outside of a city of refuge and so you would have to run to the city of refuge

00:21:51.600 and then in that city of refuge one other thing that i'll add this isn't a prison system so the

00:21:56.000 cities of refuge are not being supported by the tax dollars of of israel but rather the their own

00:22:03.280 city and in its prison ish in the sense that uh you're confined you're not allowed to leave but

00:22:09.720 within that city you're walking around freely you start a business you start a trade you're

00:22:13.960 supporting yourself that city has its own economy now it's not going to be a bumbling metropolis

00:22:19.320 right so those cities aren't going to be um they're not going to be as as prolific as um you

00:22:26.360 know or prosperous as uh other cities it's not in israel um but but it's not uh just three meals

00:22:32.860 a day you know watching television in a jail cell uh while while a bunch of innocent people who

00:22:38.120 haven't committed any crime are paying for it on their tax dollar and then the last thing is when

00:22:43.120 the high priest died uh because every high priest that would be an office for life and when he died

00:22:49.380 um and except for in some of the rare cases where he disqualified himself but if he died

00:22:54.220 upon the death of the high priest then everyone in every city of refuge uh would have a clean bill

00:23:00.060 and be um would be atoned for and they could go back into normal society and leave the city of

00:23:05.840 refuge and the avenger of blood um would no longer have any right to take vengeance on them and even

00:23:12.360 this you know matthew henry says is a picture of uh the gospel that there was one high priest that

00:23:17.980 upon his death that all would be atoned for and forgiven so that's that's the system that you that

00:23:23.840 you have in the old testament you don't have this first degree and then second degree and that

00:23:27.460 you just have murder and then you have manslaughter accidents um but there's not a bifurcation before

00:23:33.220 between first degree and second degree so my point is upon levitical law in the old testament

00:23:39.280 what um what carmelo anthony did uh would just be treated as murder and biblically right no no

00:23:48.120 the no way of covenants right after noah comes off of the ark you're coming from a race a group

00:23:52.420 of humanity that is exceedingly violent that's why god judged the earth so they get off the earth 0.97

00:23:57.700 get off the ark and one of the only commandments what's established there is be aware he who sheds

00:24:03.660 man's blood the rightful punishment to that is death we're talking before the show and there's 0.85

00:24:09.380 some crimes that could be up to death aggravated homosexuality would be one that could be in a 0.69

00:24:14.960 christian state punished by up to although would not necessarily require but there is one crime

00:24:20.280 it must be that must be and that's how i would look at the old testament you know sometimes

00:24:24.820 people are like oh you know you're you're uh you're gonna be too rigid and you're just gonna

00:24:29.660 you know it's gonna be a one-to-one ratio of dropping levitical law on any you know nation

00:24:33.600 today and that and that's not my position um i i would read all those um other other sins that

00:24:39.880 are not just sins but also categorized biblically as crimes i would say that they should be treated

00:24:43.920 as crimes today about the first and second table of the law should be um legislated and and so

00:24:50.340 blasphemy a public blaspheming of the lord jesus christ the triune god um is not merely a sin but

00:24:57.360 actually a crime um but but some of these sins that could merit the death penalty uh under israel

00:25:03.820 don't are not biblically bound to where they must be given the death penalty that there's actually

00:25:08.780 freedom for society to determine is this like a serial repeat offender or is this a one-off case

00:25:16.820 and there could be a lighter sentence that's given to such an individual in those cases but

00:25:22.280 the Noahic covenant that we have in Genesis chapter 9 I take that to mean that in the case

00:25:29.440 of murder it's not just oh it's up to the death penalty no it's it must be the death penalty if

00:25:35.240 someone take someone else's life and it's murder not an accident not manslaughter and first and

00:25:41.240 second degree there's no biblical variation between the two uh you you you meant to kill them

00:25:46.380 and if you meant to kill them and you were successful uh then your life must be taken

00:25:52.340 right and the bible's program so in leviticus the number of things that could require 0.78

00:25:57.600 the death penalty so incest was one of them um molestation of a woman i'll put it that way

00:26:05.340 murder idolatry required idolatry uh a son that was disobedient to parents what's being done there

00:26:12.340 when the capital punishment is prescribed as a possible if not a required penalty is what you're

00:26:17.480 doing is you're taking people out of your society you're removing rush duny says this that the

00:26:22.840 the christian program was the removing of defective persons right that there was people

00:26:27.740 that were prone to criminality prone to violence prone to murder prone to deviancy and what israel

00:26:33.500 wasn't to do was to say well you can live and you're fine you just need to go do it somewhere

00:26:36.760 else no it actually said you need to not have children you need i mean the case of akin we're 0.53

00:26:42.500 talking his entire family right we're actually going to remove your entire lineage blotted out

00:26:47.600 the case of korah that god actually sentences korah and and not just his family but all those 0.87

00:26:54.240 who followed him in his rebellion he supernaturally opens the earth and it swallows all of them

00:27:00.460 their entire line and lineage is snuffed out this is see you quoted rush duny and that's the problem

00:27:08.340 is that um rush duny is allowed to say these things right well it's because he's not here

00:27:13.620 anymore that's because he's not here anymore but uh it's frustrating because a lot of people who

00:27:18.140 claim to really appreciate rush duny hate some of the things that rush duny said and they always

00:27:23.540 have a reason for why yeah but he didn't actually say that thing um he didn't actually mean it you

00:27:28.900 know like yeah he denied the holocaust for 30 years and just let it ride was perfect i mean he

00:27:33.880 was challenged on it constantly was perfectly willing to just let it ride for 30 years and then

00:27:39.860 you know just barely before the end of his life was like oh okay i'll go ahead and correct that

00:27:45.220 um or even his views on intermarriage it's like yeah but he didn't really mean that uh yeah but

00:27:50.740 he said it um he did say it and so um i think the point that you're making and it's a point that

00:27:59.400 we often just we don't want to look at because it's controversial and we're like no no no no

00:28:05.020 no um that's but that would mean like god is thinking like every single society has some kind

00:28:16.060 of system for removing certain individuals who are not suitable for the flourishing of that

00:28:26.840 society removing or promoting they'll either remove or they'll promote traits every society

00:28:33.660 and and the people of god in the old covenant were no exception like you you sleep with somebody

00:28:43.220 too closely related your line is cut off from israel you sleep with somebody too distantly

00:28:50.680 related who worships foreign gods your line is cut off from israel believe it or not you eat too

00:28:56.740 much shellfish from israel yeah um and and it's like and even in christendom so in england there

00:29:07.680 was the rule of blood they had terrible criminality terrible drunkenness terrible theft

00:29:12.880 and so they instituted up to capital punishment for pickpocketing i want to say it was close to

00:29:17.560 200 years right and that's what they had to do to remove an element of criminality none of it

00:29:22.680 necessarily ever you're you're wanting to falsely accuse innocent persons you're always trying to

00:29:27.800 do justice biblically so you have objective witnesses not just one but two or three of them

00:29:33.000 but i mean what is the state given the sword for if not to protect protect i don't know young men

00:29:39.180 gathering on a field to compete in athletics to protect them from individuals and they obviously

00:29:44.800 in this case carmel anthony didn't have a criminal record but i think of the young man i think his

00:29:49.500 name was i texted it to you today it was a five-year-old boy shot um dylan or i have it right

00:29:56.520 here but it happened in i think michigan and it was a five-year-old boy who's riding his bike

00:30:00.540 and he was shot in the head by a 25-year-old black man with felony drug and weapon charges

00:30:05.320 in front of his two sisters what does the state exist for what has god given it the sword for

00:30:10.980 what has he written a law for if not to protect the innocent and the children and the people in

00:30:16.420 a society and it's inconvenient it's uncomfortable to think like yeah there's criminals and the state

00:30:21.280 must deal strongly go ahead canon waddle canon waddell or waddell i think it was about two or

00:30:26.540 three years ago that that happened like what are we doing if not for that tax handouts how's how's

00:30:31.600 the welfare state going how's uh how's food stamps working right not great you're not even doing the

00:30:37.380 thing that you're supposed to do but taiwan is the second safest country in the world and the reason 0.77

00:30:42.400 it is so safe is that it was rude with ruled with brutality for 50 to 60 years by the japanese 0.80

00:30:50.720 who did not tolerate a single infraction of their rigid discipline and it was i mean you step out

00:30:58.960 of line and it was biblically it would probably be you know overkill but it was it was yeah

00:31:06.720 strict punishments for crime is absolutely a factor no denying that um how ethnically diverse

00:31:13.480 is taiwan there's two there's two people that live on the island there's the chinese that came

00:31:21.080 over from the mainland and then there's the native people who were there already there were several

00:31:24.880 tribes there already um so actually there is a bit of diversity yeah there's there's multiple

00:31:31.000 languages going on but those origins so like japan but they're both asian well yeah but that's

00:31:37.020 like saying all of europe is exactly the same too i'm not saying they're the same yeah but i just i

00:31:42.520 think that you know if you have a country that's made up of um but scottish english yeah but i mean

00:31:49.700 the french and the english fought horribly the the taiwanese natives and the chinese who came over

00:31:56.160 they had major conflict yeah yeah well speaking of justice let's play the second clip this is

00:32:02.400 sorry hold on before you do i have to i have to clarify something i was not saying that a crime

00:32:07.060 a hate crime should be a valid category of crime what i was saying was you can hate someone for a

00:32:14.460 lot of reasons and that inspire you to kill someone right so that was all i was saying not

00:32:19.020 that hate crime should be a valid i thought michael was gonna call it in he's gonna be like we got

00:32:22.560 him hate crime police through the door um no not that that should be not that that should be a

00:32:27.940 factor i was just saying it to go back to my point i think the father was saying i don't think this

00:32:34.600 guy killed my son because he hates all white people right i don't that's all i was saying

00:32:37.900 i hear him i i yeah he was i think that's what he was saying is that it's not motivated um by race 0.98

00:32:43.740 but the category of hate i know what you're saying but just for the listener the category of hate

00:32:48.200 crime the reason why i despise that category is i think in many ways it's it's the same as the

00:32:53.800 category of racism so it's like well um this is the sin of racism and it's like well um is it

00:33:01.440 racist theft or is it racist murder or is it racist like because if it's any of those things

00:33:08.260 then we already have a category right it's theft it's murder and i think even the whole category

00:33:13.700 of a hate crime is is it's it's the assumption um that uh that preference is uh inherently sinful

00:33:24.580 in and of itself and i and i think that's a problem when especially when it comes to

00:33:28.820 legislating law um the question is did you commit a crime right um not not trying to decipher uh

00:33:37.940 your motives exactly it really doesn't matter why you did it what matters is what actions right you

00:33:45.580 you took that's what matters when it comes under the law when you stand before god he'll sort all

00:33:51.420 that out god will will you know ultimately unveil every hidden thought um we see that in in scripture

00:33:57.940 because hate is a sin but it's not a crime it's not a crime exactly but theft is and murder is

00:34:03.580 And so in terms of a legal apparatus to try to tack on extra penalties for this inward category of, well, we think that you were motivated.

00:34:17.040 We're going to try to decipher your motives and that you were motivated by prejudice towards this person or that person.

00:34:23.480 That is quite literally the thought police.

00:34:26.160 Right.

00:34:26.560 And that's a problem in terms of biblical justice.

00:34:29.380 And it's extra biblical.

00:34:30.220 It's introducing a new category of sin and saying this category of sin is incumbent upon you.

00:34:34.900 And actually, I won't even let you stand for yourself.

00:34:37.560 I'll interpret your actions in that light and accuse you of this sin that I made up.

00:34:41.880 I'm going to assume omniscience.

00:34:44.480 Yes.

00:34:44.900 It's a big problem.

00:34:45.940 Yeah.

00:34:46.500 Let's play the second clip.

00:34:47.540 This is from one of the prosecutors in Collin County where the murder occurred.

00:34:50.360 It's not unusual in the aftermath of a crime for there to be a lot of publicity about it.

00:34:56.640 Ultimately, that'll be a judge's decision to make at the time of trial.

00:35:00.960 But yes, I want it here.

00:35:02.300 This happened in Collin County.

00:35:03.440 I want Collin County citizens to be able to decide this.

00:35:05.920 I'm not here anymore, and I don't understand it.

00:35:09.520 Their personal address has been exposed.

00:35:12.340 They have received graphic and racist threats.

00:35:15.700 That would not be something that we could do even if we wanted to.

00:35:19.960 So right there, that would not be something that we could do even wanting to.

00:35:23.280 he's talking about the death penalty but he's also talking about life without parole right so

00:35:27.880 to put this practically in 25 years or less three hours away obviously who knows where he actually

00:35:33.860 gets sent to prison carmel anthony will be back on the street he'll have a terrible track record

00:35:39.820 you're assuming he gets convicted

00:35:40.920 daniel penny i want to say was the end of black lives matter let the record state when this

00:35:49.300 episode gets gets a real intense that comment right there is responsible for go ahead yep but

00:35:55.640 he's gonna be he's 20 so he's 17 right now 25 you're at 22 32 42 you'd have a 42 year old man

00:36:02.500 no work history a murderer as best we can tell we're not omniscient as best we can tell from

00:36:09.120 multiple witnesses and the state itself saying the same thing right you'll have a murderer back

00:36:13.640 on the street and he'll be around our daughters that's right and around your daughters let's add

00:36:20.140 to it though real quickly um it's not just a murderer with no no work experience and you know

00:36:25.920 just this 25 year gap in his resume number one it could be much shorter much shorter like what

00:36:31.300 michael said that's if he gets 10 years on good behavior too it could also be shorter 10 years on 0.93

00:36:35.800 good behavior what would that good behavior be i don't know maybe he kills another white you know

00:36:39.680 inmate in the prison you know and know in our system they say hey that's good behavior one less 0.99

00:36:43.720 white person you're doing good work you're doing good work doing the lord's work killing those 0.98

00:36:47.240 whiteys so you know we'll give you 10 years um being a little facetious there but not much 0.96

00:36:51.920 to clarify that you're being facetious being a little facetious but sometimes i mean in 2020

00:36:56.580 i'm not saying that would happen under trump necessarily but in 2020 and 2021 that's how it

00:37:01.580 felt it literally felt like politicians and corporations and ngos and all that like that

00:37:08.680 um, that the goal really was, um, to, to basically, uh, whittle down the number of,

00:37:15.800 of white people. And, uh, and, and it still feels that a little bit, not necessarily Trump's

00:37:21.560 administration directly. Um, but, but I do think that, um, that there are some concerns there. So

00:37:26.460 that's a hyperbolic facetious example, but the point is he could get out on good behavior in 10

00:37:32.760 years. But here, here's what I wanted to add to that. So not only would he have no job history

00:37:38.080 and and the fact that he is a murderer but in addition to that you would have 10 years or if

00:37:43.480 he goes the full 25 25 years of being cultivated and shaped further towards criminal activity

00:37:51.400 by our prison system right our prison system does not change people for the better i thought it was

00:37:57.080 all about reform no it's taking the worst people in society putting them in close quarters uh to

00:38:04.820 where they're all inclined to degrade further, not to improve.

00:38:13.280 And so even just our prison system, the idea of you're going to do time in a prison system

00:38:20.980 and then come back out, in my assessment, that system is a massive liability,

00:38:29.980 a massive liability because our prison system is not designed for for reform or for self-improvement

00:38:36.680 right um and and and this gets into you know some of the biblical but at the same time i don't want

00:38:42.860 to be an i you know ideologue you know and um because you can only do what you can do today

00:38:49.220 right so you got to start so today uh yeah we need more people in prison not less and i acknowledge

00:38:55.700 that um but as we're moving forward uh the idea of of uh prison especially when if it's prison for

00:39:05.280 life it should be the death penalty right and if it's not prison for life then we've got to find

00:39:11.560 some other other penalty whether it's restitution and restitution just for the record it's like okay

00:39:18.180 well how do you pay restitution if you did this thing and you're already impoverished and you

00:39:23.480 don't have the money right to give restitution uh well slavery debtors debtors slavery debtors

00:39:31.600 slavery yes it's not you and your children yep forever because of of you know just because of

00:39:37.980 skin color was it was it but it also until the year of jubilee under the law yeah like every 0.84

00:39:43.580 50 israelites though oh yeah that's right foreign slaves could be kept in perpetuity their entire

00:39:48.600 bloodline but you're like there wasn't the same debtor slavery for foreigners right yeah yeah but 0.57

00:39:54.460 slaves purchased those could be kept in perpetuity if they were not israelites so the but the point

00:39:58.620 is is like our system is um our system is is not fixing the problem it's it's making the problem

00:40:09.000 worse we have we have anti-white discrimination on the books from universities um certainly within

00:40:18.500 the media but anti-white discrimination we've all been shaped by that from the time that we

00:40:25.360 were born for decades america has elevated um every single people uh you know to you know but

00:40:35.620 but belittled white people um and so we already have we're on the backdrop of that context and

00:40:41.740 then you add you know prison in the mixed uh loose on crime policies and then whenever we are tough

00:40:50.020 on crime it immediately gets painted as well that's racism right like all the tough on crime

00:40:55.960 from the 80s and the 90s and those kinds of things it's like well this is racist no this is not

00:41:03.480 racist and if it's disproportional then it's not because of racism it's because a certain type of

00:41:13.080 person is choosing to engage in more criminal activity and and it is what it is and i hope

00:41:21.340 it's not that way forever but that's not that's not our fault well think of the mercy of the old

00:41:27.960 testament caning system so not for murder but for different types of offenses of violence or

00:41:34.640 miscreant behavior they were caned in public and that is brutal but the way the brain works is that

00:41:40.420 inhibition is a critical brain skill like when your children like why are toddlers so emotional

00:41:45.600 well their prefrontal cortex hasn't developed very well to the point where they can restrain

00:41:49.240 behavior uh anthony aaron hernandez he was a new england tight end and he actually gunned down two

00:41:54.560 man in cold blood i remember that did an autopsy on his brain and all the impact that he'd taken

00:41:58.560 from football right had destroyed much of it and so he didn't he couldn't even answer for why he

00:42:03.140 didn't murder wasn't pre-calculated he gunned people down and so with the old testament in

00:42:07.440 the caning system what it did is it took people that didn't have impulse control and it administered

00:42:11.800 administered something brutal now you'd be done in an afternoon you'd be recovering for a week or so

00:42:16.680 but those psychological experiences we know from psychology that negative reinforcement right is a

00:42:22.020 huge deterrent that the brain itself says i did x i punched someone in the face at the checkout

00:42:27.360 at walmart i i engaged in this behavior i sold illicit drugs i didn't go to prison and lose my

00:42:32.740 life for 20 years and i wasn't given the death penalty but i got beat so bad that i never in

00:42:38.120 public that i never want to do that again and the brain itself at a biological level says i have got

00:42:44.860 to have some breaks on this yeah because i don't ever want to repeat that experience well and it's

00:42:49.100 the mercy of that system right to beat those people in public they recover they walk again

00:42:53.840 and people just because people will think what you're saying is extreme and it's not they'll

00:42:57.640 say like oh that's inhumane and i can't believe you know beating someone in public no what's

00:43:01.820 inhumane is treating someone like a pet putting them in a cage right feeding them three times a

00:43:09.020 day with food and water giving them a walk within a within a dog kennel hour a little bit of yard

00:43:16.940 time where they can go outside and run and get some exercise and then putting them right back

00:43:22.260 in the kennel right back inside the cage with their three meals a day and and everybody else

00:43:28.380 paying for it that's what if you're smaller you're the receiving end of other abuses right that's

00:43:33.440 what awful that's what we do with animals that's what we do with dogs so this is not inhumane it's

00:43:39.620 actually far more humane to say you actually you either you either did something that merits the

00:43:45.060 death penalty in which case you don't go on the taxpayers dying for life in

00:43:49.560 prison no there's not a restitution system for there's no rest right because

00:43:53.760 you can't bring the person right there's no way in this life to to restore that

00:43:58.260 and you know I think it was rush to me also who said in the case of murder it's

00:44:04.020 something that can't be put right and part of the reason for the death penalty

00:44:07.260 life for life is because the only one who can put it right is God and so in

00:44:12.480 the case of a murderer uh what we have to do is our human courts are insufficient so we have to

00:44:17.780 immediately transfer them to a higher court aka uh hanging right you know tall tree short rope

00:44:26.440 and uh and that's how you transfer them to a higher court a heavenly court where god is able

00:44:32.560 to uh to exact true justice right um fair justice and you would live in a safer world you would and

00:44:40.420 then apart from that it would be restitution that's another biblical penalty or it would be

00:44:45.640 caning um beating um and and but in that case it's far more humane than person maintains their

00:44:52.660 freedom uh the person is then allowed back into society but with a huge massive deterrent

00:45:00.660 forever committing that crime again none of the rest of the nation is penalized he's the guy who

00:45:06.900 committed the crime why why are all of us being penalized with our tax dollars because now we have

00:45:11.220 to feed him and house him no he still has to feed and house himself and if he does it again he's

00:45:17.480 beat again and at a certain point to being a serial offender that's right his life is taken

00:45:21.860 right um and societies that have behaved this way now now the bible tells us how to do it humanely

00:45:29.700 or better put righteously in a way that is actually um is actually pleasing to the lord

00:45:36.440 that meets god's standards of justice but every successful society throughout human history

00:45:42.660 always did this israel under the old covenant did it righteously and therefore humanely and we look

00:45:49.900 at and we say oh my gosh i can't believe they did that that's so harsh and this is so terrible and 0.95

00:45:54.260 they had slaves or they beat people or you, you know, the death penalty or, um, no, uh, what

00:46:00.220 Israel did is what, well, they never obeyed, but what Israel was supposed to do is what God

00:46:06.360 considers righteous. Let God be true. And every man, a liar, God is righteous. The libtard next 0.51

00:46:11.760 door is not. So I don't care if he finds Leviticus offensive. He thinks that drag queen story hour 1.00

00:46:17.640 is permissible. Okay. So I, I don't, I don't care about your booze. I've seen what you cheer for, 0.99

00:46:23.540 right so so who cares what that person says but god says that it was righteous but my point is

00:46:29.380 even pagan societies outside of old covenant israel that uh still found ways to achieve

00:46:35.620 success now they didn't do it righteously i want to be clear about that they did it in brutal ways

00:46:40.720 that the lord does not um see favorably that the lord does not approve of but every society that

00:46:46.600 was successful whether it be israel under the old covenant or whether it be the romans or whether

00:46:51.060 be the greeks or in every society what they old germanic tribes and in every case of successful

00:46:58.020 society and civilization what they did what they did whether righteously or not 0.98

00:47:04.200 is they culled society from its reprobates they went to society and they said you're a loser 0.99

00:47:13.640 you're a loser you're a loser you're a loser and you don't get to reproduce right and i know that 0.99

00:47:21.140 that's controversial and how you do that absolutely matters there are sinister pagan wicked ways of 1.00

00:47:29.400 doing that absolutely for instance yes but here's the deal and this kind of gets into our

00:47:34.980 conversations about genetics and it'll get into you know us talking a little bit about race today

00:47:39.840 we want to be careful with this topic but here's the deal the great post-millennial hope this is

00:47:47.360 something i wrestle with i'm just i'm gonna lay some cars on the table this is something i wrestle

00:47:51.100 with the great post-millennial hope and i believe it's good and right and i believe it's the will

00:47:56.720 of god but um there there are people alive today genetically and i'm not talking about right now

00:48:05.360 um inclinations towards crime but i'm just i'm like i'm talking about asthma okay so i'm going

00:48:10.080 to start there for a second i'm going to talk about diabetes i'm going to talk about those

00:48:13.740 kinds of things certain illnesses and sicknesses and physical conditions that uh just they they

00:48:20.280 wouldn't have lived in times past not that long ago you know they just wouldn't they wouldn't have

00:48:24.680 lived and um and therefore because they wouldn't have lived they wouldn't have reproduced they

00:48:29.880 wouldn't have offspring they wouldn't they wouldn't have a lineage um but we're at the

00:48:34.160 point now where it's not only that we've been able to not necessarily cure some things we can cure

00:48:40.220 others we're not able to cure but we're able to just kind of mitigate the side effects the most

00:48:45.240 severe of the side effects to where the person can have a life but but those genes are passed down

00:48:51.020 and so we have you know a lot of people alive today that wouldn't have been alive in in previous

00:48:58.380 generations and i see that for the record again i am glad i am glad that you know nine out of ten

00:49:04.780 children don't die in childbirth right praise god i'm glad that my wife has had five children and

00:49:10.140 she's still alive because a lot of women died in child right you know not just the babies but the

00:49:14.700 mothers i'm i'm so grateful uh for all of these things uh we have you know a child in our church

00:49:21.660 who was born like almost like 20 weeks prematurely

00:49:26.340 and lived, praise God,

00:49:29.100 and is going to have a normal life.

00:49:30.760 And so praise God for that.

00:49:32.800 But not only have we medically,

00:49:35.460 so that's the medical side,

00:49:36.660 but in addition to that,

00:49:38.240 we have also taken the most degenerate people in the world 0.76

00:49:43.420 and let them by the millions into the country

00:49:48.560 and then we catered our justice system for lesser penalties right stricter penalties 0.90

00:49:57.260 right we'll get we'll throw the whole weight of the law against you know the native european 0.55

00:50:04.040 citizen but we're going to have lesser penalties for different minority groups and for illegal 0.64

00:50:10.520 immigrants um and we're actually with illegal immigrants we're going to give incentives to 0.84

00:50:15.420 come here uh we're going to take taxpayers of the native citizens and pay for housing and pay for 0.94

00:50:22.420 this and pay for that um yeah you you can't do that and and think that society is not going to

00:50:30.920 go to hell in a handbag there are plenty of places this is the tough part of the conversation but

00:50:37.020 there are places that are not christian they are not predominantly christian and yet they're 0.98

00:50:45.120 homogenous and strict on crime and you would be safer there than in our christian nation right

00:50:53.960 but i hear what you're saying but we've said for a long time that we're an apostate christian

00:51:00.860 nation we're not applying the law like a lot maybe not everything that you're saying but a lot of

00:51:06.740 what you're saying would be mitigated if we had actual justice in the society amen but my point

00:51:11.760 is there are places that aren't christian and who are doing that they are sure they are applying

00:51:17.880 justice sure and so what i'm what i'm saying yes we are absolutely these united states are in full

00:51:23.820 blown like unadulterated apostasy against the lord jesus christ there's no question about that

00:51:29.600 and if we weren't we'd be doing things better no question about that but my point is that per

00:51:34.460 capita we still have more people who would profess faith in the lord jesus christ than

00:51:40.980 other places and yet there are other places um that still would not uh be experiencing some of

00:51:48.820 the things that we're experiencing just like japan right we have way more christians in america

00:51:53.660 than japan and we also have way more crime in america than japan but you can do very hard on

00:52:00.960 crime yes very hard on crime yes that's part of my my point was twofold hard on crime and

00:52:06.560 homogenous um but uh vermont for instance um vermont is not the most christian state in the

00:52:15.420 union there are states bad gun laws there are states in the south that are far more per capita

00:52:21.900 far more professing christians and even not just professing but those who attend church

00:52:27.300 every single week have stricter abortion laws right like we could look at at georgia right

00:52:32.480 i guarantee you there are there is more church attendance christian church attendance in atlanta 0.99

00:52:38.020 than there is in vermont which place is safer for your daughters to live what percent of vermont is

00:52:44.420 black ask me what percent of about 1.5 percent same with maine and new hampshire i thought it

00:52:49.960 was their gun laws is the reason they didn't have shootings well that here in texas it's the safest

00:52:54.020 state in the union because we have open carry oh wait right these are the things that christians

00:53:01.900 are going to have to let's skip forward for just a second then we'll come back because i know wes

00:53:06.020 you prepared the episode and i don't want to miss some important pieces but i think it would be

00:53:09.660 helpful for the listeners skip forward for a moment the reason that i want to have these

00:53:14.020 conversations is because um these conversations will be had with or without christians

00:53:21.120 if if you think that joel webin and right response ministries is is opening the can of worms and

00:53:29.400 that we're the ones who are pushing the ball forward and inciting these kinds of conversations 1.00

00:53:35.000 about race and but you you're dumb you are a fool these conversations are happening 1.00

00:53:43.960 with or without us have been happening other people talking about it all the time we've 1.00

00:53:50.980 addressed the topic twice maybe three times very very sparingly and very carefully whenever we do

00:53:59.880 address the topic my concern this is my concern is that um i think that we are getting closer and

00:54:05.920 closer to a point where people are going to say that's enough yeah 100 we're getting that's enough

00:54:10.600 yeah and i know what the pay not that's enough i'm going to go to the hoa and no no no right

00:54:17.120 a sternly worded letter my representative is going to hear it no no i'm saying that's enough

00:54:22.140 the only reason i think we might not be getting there is because england is not going to hit that

00:54:26.980 point well there's a reason why we left yeah i agree and why they lost the war but largely largely

00:54:35.760 i completely understand what you're saying so i think we're coming there i think it's happening

00:54:41.100 it's going to happen and it's already happening these kinds of conversations

00:54:44.860 and i think my concern is that i you know when i fire up the old internet and get on x you know

00:54:53.100 or go look at rumble you know or um these conversations are being had and something

00:54:59.560 will eventually be done and my fear is that it's going to be done without christians

00:55:05.300 um it's going to be done despite christians you mean you don't mean they're going to do the things

00:55:11.820 we're thinking of and we're not going to be part of it no i mean they're going to do the influence

00:55:15.780 of the wisdom of god they're going to do terrible things that we wouldn't do yes um that we would

00:55:21.980 actually be able to offer biblical solutions um that that are um pleasing to the lord and and we're

00:55:31.660 talking real solutions like i saw a woman this week she's like what we need in crime ridden areas

00:55:35.260 is to put a library at the center so people can learn and read more no i'm not even kidding but

00:55:39.340 we're talking like real solutions like this criminality this crime specifically from the 0.98

00:55:43.900 black community needs a real law justice order something actually needs to be done real solutions 0.97

00:55:50.820 yes so that that's that's my concern it's the same concern race feminism zionism those three

00:56:01.640 is so i've said the same thing when we address the topic of feminism is um if christians refuse

00:56:09.280 to go there and have these conversations what you get is andrew tate what you get is the red pill

00:56:16.260 what you get um because it's the toothpaste is not going back in the tube um everybody

00:56:23.200 is seen in real time whoa there's a problem i'm sure the red pill guys they treat their wives as 0.55

00:56:29.600 co-heirs in the grace of life correct no that's i'm sure i'm certain oh wait that would be helpful

00:56:37.500 on the patriarchy side right to have men with scripture to understand the proper relation

00:56:42.240 that's interesting yeah like you you want um you want a well-ordered society where you can

00:56:49.600 you can go to the park and not feel like you're in danger or we could just have a normal like

00:56:56.140 cost of living and you don't have to pay 50 more than ever or 100 more than everybody else

00:57:02.840 uh just just to be safe um then you need real solutions you need to pay 200 000 more for a

00:57:10.620 home but you want those real solutions and for them still to be um strict but righteous

00:57:20.120 solutions then you need you need christians and christians just aren't willing to do it christians

00:57:26.620 will not seriously meaningfully engage in the conversation about men and women they won't

00:57:32.940 meaningfully engage in the conversation about israel and they won't meaningfully engage in

00:57:37.980 the conversation about race yeah they won't and so what's going to happen and what is happening

00:57:43.960 is that pagans will fill in the gap and you will get red pill when it comes to men and women

00:57:50.420 you will get something when it comes to uh israel and uh and then you're gonna get the red pill

00:58:00.060 equivalent when it comes to race right you don't want the red pill equivalent when it comes they'll 0.87

00:58:05.820 have statistics too like that's the thing is the pagan on the other side he'll bring these same 0.65

00:58:10.240 statistics right it'll be his solution then that goes beyond what like god would allow so we're

00:58:14.660 saying we've got the same statistics we're allowed to talk about them we're allowed to talk about it 0.69

00:58:18.880 you know black men commit violence at this level etc the crazy thing is what you mentioned it was 0.94

00:58:24.360 in the cold open that nobody heard because it wasn't working but um that that black women 0.99

00:58:30.820 murder at a higher rate than white men so per capita so someone can look and say like but wait 0.97

00:58:37.440 on it no right but per capita so per 100 000 black women they have a higher murder rate than 0.74

00:58:42.480 white men so it's not we already and and that's the thing is everybody's comfortable saying that

00:58:47.360 men most people are comfortable saying that you know men um are have a much higher propensity

00:58:54.000 towards violence than women and that's true and we would say that it's not just true because of

00:59:00.000 behavior and it's not just true because of education um because men and women are being

00:59:06.400 educated in the same schools and the you know the same curriculum which honestly i don't really like

00:59:11.600 that you want to talk about segregation i would love in schools to segregate men and women honestly

00:59:17.360 and that would just make me a moderate from 100 years ago that's what c.s lewis thought that's

00:59:21.440 what yeah so um but but the point is it's not education it's not all these other factors it's

00:59:27.360 um it's biological men are different than women and therefore men have greater strengths and they

00:59:34.000 also have certain greater weaknesses that women don't have and men are more likely to commit 0.98

00:59:39.200 violent crimes than women are and yet with the black community per capita black women murder at 0.61

00:59:46.880 a higher rate than white men that's that's shocking it's not convenient that is shocking 0.91

00:59:53.840 so then what do you do with that and there's a lot of people who know what to do with that

00:59:58.800 right but not a lot of christians a lot of christians that they you can't talk about the

01:00:05.440 christian solutions if you're if you're walking around you know it's like alex jones you know

01:00:11.140 every time he talks about the globalist you know he's like who are they who are the globalists i

01:00:15.860 don't know who the marxist i don't know who the globalists are you know it's it's uh it's klaus

01:00:21.340 schwab and the you know the the marxist yeah george soros and the you know the marxist

01:00:26.980 globalists and it's like uh yes but also also and and it's the same kind of thing that christians

01:00:36.420 will do like oh you know well it's it's just this or it's just and and i'm not saying it's simple

01:00:41.580 i think it's multifaceted i think there's a lot of factors at play but um but to not talk about

01:00:48.880 different peoples is i think just as is silly as not talking about the differences between men and

01:00:57.780 women men and women are different and different peoples are different and for the record i'm not

01:01:03.280 saying that different peoples that the difference is just as serious or significant as the difference

01:01:08.780 between men and women i think that the biological difference between men and women with gender

01:01:13.120 is is a very significant difference um but i do think that there are differences between nations

01:01:21.300 ethnic um and and that has to be a part of the christian conversation and it should be a

01:01:27.320 conversation that's had in love and with charity and with hopefulness but if you can't even talk

01:01:33.500 about that then then i i don't even know then we're not going to be able to solve it and if

01:01:38.920 we can't solve it because we won't even admit that there's a problem um then i know a lot of

01:01:44.280 people who are more than willing to step in and solve it and they're not christians and their

01:01:50.400 solutions are brutal so we should go to our first commercial break and we'll be right back

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01:03:37.300 Welcome back.

01:03:38.300 I just got to say, it was great seeing David Reese at the conference.

01:03:41.000 He is.

01:03:41.820 He's awesome.

01:03:42.800 He was here.

01:03:43.520 He had a great debate.

01:03:44.880 David Reese has two assistants who only refer to him as Mr. Reese.

01:03:50.620 Oh, everyone.

01:03:51.260 And he stands around and just talks to the average guy for hours and hours and hours.

01:03:56.760 Michael, don't give Joel any ideas here.

01:03:59.680 Everyone in his businesses, everyone in his workplace, they all have to say Mr. and Mrs.

01:04:06.940 Not just to him, but to each other.

01:04:08.380 Oh, interesting.

01:04:08.780 And he does the same.

01:04:10.820 So he just sees it as a sign of respect.

01:04:13.120 Well, then there we go.

01:04:13.660 But he also does see it as an employer.

01:04:17.060 He views it as a part of his employment and his status under God as an employer

01:04:21.960 to not just lead financially with business savvy, but also spiritually.

01:04:28.940 So he takes it upon himself.

01:04:30.320 He sees employers as being responsible for discipling.

01:04:33.860 And so discipleship is part.

01:04:35.600 So there is a special honor that's given to him as the employer,

01:04:40.780 but he has that as the role across the board for everyone, including himself.

01:04:45.160 is it's mr it's mrs um you know so even like if when i'm when i'm emailing you know with his

01:04:50.580 assistant i don't always remember to do it but i'm saying you know mrs or this and every time

01:04:55.820 she you know like mr reese it's never david it's always you know mr reese and then one time i sent

01:05:00.680 him an email on sunday oh big mistake he was uh charitable but i caught myself and uh and but i

01:05:10.320 it was like oh snap i want to apologize but i can't send him another email so i waited till

01:05:16.100 monday morning and then you know or actually sunday night when the sun went down i said sorry

01:05:20.800 sorry for talking business on the sabbath that's my bad all right so true to the title we wanted

01:05:26.020 to get into what happened in the 60s the 70s and the 80s because that fomented and created a lot

01:05:30.880 of what we understand today in our race relations i really don't think they were as bad in times

01:05:35.640 passed. Can I share a little bit about Detroit in the 1880s and 90s? Please. So Detroit and Chicago

01:05:40.900 in the 1880s and 90s, there had been a contingent of freed blacks in America who were not from the

01:05:47.140 South. They didn't necessarily, they either had been freed, emancipated earlier on, or maybe had

01:05:52.440 won their own freedom. And a number of them migrated to Detroit and Chicago. And at the time,

01:05:59.620 there weren't even really enough of them to have black neighborhoods and white neighborhoods.

01:06:03.500 and what's surprising is in Detroit and Chicago which we think now is like you've got the the 0.53

01:06:09.120 black ghettos and you got the white neighborhoods and at the time they they just lived among the 0.84

01:06:14.440 white families they sent their kids to the same schools they actually like went to the same dinner 0.89

01:06:19.440 parties the same social clubs when blacks were allowed to vote a lot of these neighborhoods

01:06:24.200 actually voted for a black neighbor who is a man of good standing in their community to be an

01:06:29.300 alderman or on the city council or things like this and so actually there was a point in the

01:06:34.500 cities that are now some of the most tent cities where the the tension that we see now actually

01:06:41.340 it was almost non-existent yep if you trace i went through and looked at by decade for example

01:06:46.420 like the percentage black in the united states a little bit higher in 1900 but it really doesn't

01:06:51.220 change all that much we're not looking at the crime that happened in the 60s and 70s and 80s

01:06:55.160 that led to suburban sprawl, we're not looking at that as a massive influx, for example, of

01:06:59.560 immigration from Africa. They've actually had a pretty consistent presence here since our

01:07:03.580 earliest times. And to your point, I would definitely contribute that to our Christian

01:07:07.640 hegemony, our European hegemony, strong rule of law. Late 1800s, not so much in the South with

01:07:14.040 what they did with Reconstruction, but in the North, there was actually a decent milieu of

01:07:18.620 decent relations, of low criminality. And we'll get into in a minute, but there's a number of

01:07:23.180 different factors and outside forces that came in and destroyed something that actually was working

01:07:27.440 decently well, I would say that this wasn't always a for 250 years, always ever. Now, certainly you

01:07:33.820 have the Emmett tills, you have the stories, and white people have done the same thing, pelted a

01:07:38.560 boy with rocks in Chicago Beach until he drowned. This was in the late 1940s. He couldn't swim,

01:07:43.580 his raft went over to the white side, they pelt him with rocks. So there's been those stories

01:07:47.260 certainly throughout the time. But by and large, on the whole, there have been cities, states,

01:07:52.260 places and epochs where race relations were much less worse than they are right now where

01:07:57.980 criminality wasn't a factor and where you didn't have a track meet something you're celebrating

01:08:03.040 your son's competing at a championship and i don't know will he get stabbed in the heart and so what

01:08:08.240 was the difference we can continue many different things the difference was there was just greater

01:08:17.880 social cohesion there were a lot of other things like one of the things that's happening now is as

01:08:24.040 social cohesion breaks down we don't have a common religion anymore we don't have a common culture

01:08:28.840 and so people are are latching on to things like well we've got to have a common race now

01:08:34.120 before that that was not as necessary a thing to prioritize yep and so what you had happen is you

01:08:41.640 had world war ii and world war ii in many ways i mean every single man that you could just about

01:08:45.560 muster he's all fighting in the war he's involved in some type of logistics so world war ii in many 0.97

01:08:50.280 ways is this great kind of reset point and what happened was a lot of blacks in the south we'll

01:08:55.400 talk about the global south here in a minute they migrated to northern cities so you spoke about

01:08:59.480 chicago and you spoke about atlanta and baltimore st louis would be another one some of those

01:09:04.600 getting more towards the south as it was a huge migration and they left mostly rural occupations

01:09:09.560 So they were employed much broadly across.

01:09:12.460 So you're not looking at just packed in, very high density per square mile, but you're looking at individuals that are engaged in different type of agriculture, which that's what the South largely is.

01:09:22.280 We don't have a New York.

01:09:23.600 We don't have a Philadelphia.

01:09:24.760 We don't really have a Boston.

01:09:26.400 I mean, New Orleans is just it's much smaller.

01:09:28.600 And so they left a very rural lifestyle.

01:09:30.840 And there's a huge migration due to the availability of manufacturing jobs.

01:09:34.340 I mean, the U.S., because we didn't have a war occurring on our soil, we were just positioned in a space to be the supplier of the world, the manufacturing capital of the world.

01:09:42.980 And so a lot of blacks migrated, and they came together closely and tightly. 0.55

01:09:47.540 And very quickly on the heels of that, after the end of the World War II, 1948, you have the 1950s and the 60s, the Great Migration, you have the Civil Rights Act.

01:09:55.740 So you have desegregation, you have the Civil Rights Act, and you have Lyndon B. Johnson's Great Society, the massive outpouring of dollars into the community.

01:10:05.020 Now, me and Michael have disagreed on this some.

01:10:06.840 There are biological and there are cultural factors at play.

01:10:09.920 So some people would like to say, well, it's only the music or it's only this that or the other.

01:10:13.580 I think that falls short, but also biological.

01:10:15.920 Well, there's just a predisposition that we can't get over.

01:10:18.220 Well, no, that's not the full picture either.

01:10:20.000 But both of them really came together when you had in the 60s and the 70s.

01:10:23.640 you brought them into the cities and what you experienced was high rates of crime right because

01:10:29.440 you just just to understand because you had the biological differences previously right without

01:10:34.980 nearly this severe of problems so like rhodesia is an african state that britain colonized

01:10:42.080 incredibly productive right it was run by the british but they managed i'm even saying but

01:10:47.160 here in america like there was a point where there wasn't nearly as high rates of fatherlessness

01:10:52.680 exactly um wedlock there wasn't a ton of um black on white crime you know there wasn't even as much

01:11:00.400 black black on black it was it was always to be fair from the research i've been able to do and 0.63

01:11:06.060 it's hard because they didn't categorize crimes by race as much back then but it was always a

01:11:13.240 little bit higher than the white rate but not the drastic difference that we see now right right but

01:11:18.780 there was i think you were avoiding saying this west but like not that this is the only factor

01:11:24.460 but i'm just i'm just trying to understand myself and get the picture so you didn't have hip-hop and

01:11:32.260 rap things that were funded in large part by jews yep in the 80s and the 90s and intentionally to

01:11:38.520 degrade that culture yep like jews uh whether it was the civil rights movement and stanley 0.90

01:11:45.980 Martin Luther King being a puppet of a lot of Jewish Marxists 0.98

01:11:49.220 to weaken the U.S. 0.93

01:11:53.020 I went back and read a little bit of Malcolm X.

01:11:57.380 Kind of like him.

01:11:58.860 He actually had some decent stuff.

01:12:00.780 We were saying on the way over that we think the black community

01:12:03.820 would be served a lot better with a leader like him

01:12:05.680 rather than the Al Sharpton's or the Jesse Jackson's.

01:12:07.760 If he had one, going back, because they always paint him

01:12:11.140 as like he's the extremist.

01:12:13.120 And Martin Luther King is this honorable pastor. 0.93

01:12:15.980 um but no like martin luther king was terrible and he was a puppet of a bunch of marxist jews 0.98

01:12:24.220 right so whether it's hip-hop which is just like hey go in and do this and do that commit this 0.94

01:12:30.940 crime murder that person you know like like literally the lyrics of of the songs uh a lot

01:12:36.700 of that was jewish influence and then this will rights act uh jewish influence um and then lbj

01:12:43.100 of course with welfare and those things and and this is alleged so i i'll say alleged but it is

01:12:48.660 many people have said that lbj you know said with this uh litigation with these policies i'll have

01:12:55.100 those inwards voting democrat for the next 200 years yeah right and if he didn't say it still

01:13:01.420 nailed it true it was still true he's nailed it 90 um you know vote democrat because of and that's

01:13:08.640 a big part of it um and if he did say it they used to vote republican i know and it was within

01:13:13.940 about one election before the party swaps yes yeah so you have you have welfare uh to get

01:13:19.420 black people to vote for democrats you have jews behind hip-hop you have jews behind 0.59

01:13:24.860 civil rights act and who brought them here in the first place and who brought them here with 0.99

01:13:29.100 financed large parts of the transatlantic slave trade it's like oh the white people are terrible 0.94

01:13:34.240 well a particular type of white person there's one other thing there too go ahead and that is that 0.81

01:13:40.080 with the mass immigration that started in the 60s yeah there have been studies that showed

01:13:45.340 that that like as much as that took jobs away from white people it really took jobs away from

01:13:50.920 black people yes they were performing who were doing lower skilled jobs in urban areas where

01:13:55.880 most of the immigrants were coming to right so the point is just the reason i'm saying all these

01:13:59.780 things is i'm trying to give some bona fides here uh and saying that we we all acknowledge myself

01:14:04.700 included that it is a um a multi-faceted right there there are multiple different contributors

01:14:10.800 to to the problems that we now face as a society uh with um with black crime and um and so i'm 0.97

01:14:18.860 sitting here saying um i i will be one of the first to acknowledge um that it's it's not just 0.99

01:14:25.180 things that are internal to the black community i'm more than happy to blame jews you know but 0.68

01:14:32.040 no it's it's there are other things as well there are other hip-hop all these different things 0.75

01:14:37.040 welfare was huge dispositions that they had already yes yes blacks in america typically

01:14:42.060 been dependent upon a type of benevolent state or a type of landowner and so that for 200 years

01:14:48.840 well this is who gives me money this is who provides my work this is who gives me a handout

01:14:52.720 but for a moment there brief as it was and it wasn't that brief between two world wars but for

01:14:58.660 a moment there um you had the at least the greatest degree in in american history of black

01:15:06.140 independence uh where there's freedom from slavery right there's not a welfare state a new you know

01:15:12.720 just uh replacing one plantation with another um so in between plantations um you know before you

01:15:20.760 got you know the the old democrats and now the new democrats you know democrats have always loved 0.54

01:15:26.140 oppressing the you know uh the black community and they've always been good at it but with that

01:15:30.520 you know there was a moment of of reprieve and it wasn't that brief and and there was there were

01:15:36.020 places where there really were that there was flourishing like healthy marriages and there

01:15:41.220 were some moments where um actually a higher marriage rate like remaining marriage than

01:15:47.360 than with white people right and so so what i'm trying to say is that there are other things

01:15:53.400 biology is part of it but there are other things but but i was going to add one more i said all

01:15:58.460 that to say this so people don't think that i'm just saying oh it's just this it's just this i'm

01:16:02.720 not saying it's just this but i i think that we're just not being honest this is if christians aren't

01:16:07.640 honest about these things they're gonna go to the pagans they're not gonna listen to us so one other

01:16:13.240 factor is segregation one other factor whether it was whether it was legislated like official 0.57

01:16:21.580 formal uh or or even just naturally black people living among black people white people living

01:16:28.600 among white people and there was incredible from what i've read incredible uh industry

01:16:33.900 and developments um that black people were were doing that um and that they were successful that

01:16:41.260 the marriage rate was high children were growing up with a father in the home um they they were

01:16:47.080 making money they were developing this that and the other and it all came crashing down with with

01:16:52.620 civil rights with welfare with all these different things um but during that time where there was so 0.75

01:16:58.140 much success my point is you you didn't have the exploitation of of jewish psyops with with hip-hop 0.68

01:17:05.340 and rap and and martin luther king who was a jewish puppet you know and all you didn't have

01:17:10.040 those things but also you you did to be fair so that's a huge factor but but another factor is

01:17:15.740 you did have a much higher degree of segregation michael pointed out that in african countries

01:17:21.220 they're still not as safe comparatively to russia or european but they have somewhat lower rates of

01:17:26.740 murder some of them do some of them do and some of what that would contribute to is right homogeneity

01:17:31.660 it's very difficult stephen wolf talks about this we have a natural affinity for people that look

01:17:36.880 like us talk like us that we've shared history with and so when you have a group of people

01:17:40.900 here's what's what's kind of cool kind of just a natural thing that god's made the world

01:17:44.760 like a lot of uh italians go to little italy well i'm going to have some type of relation to it i'm

01:17:49.960 going to patron its patron its restaurants i'm going to live there little china chinatown in

01:17:54.160 philadelphia like blacks have black entertainment television their own type of music their own type

01:17:58.960 of sporting events they even tend to live like there's a black section of this town there's a

01:18:03.400 black community or black neighborhood it seems generally speaking that the way god arranged

01:18:07.500 people is that all else being equal will live near people that are like us if all about yeah

01:18:13.240 but go ahead michael that the like black entertainment that's pretty new right like

01:18:20.700 well like i would say like when tv jazz yeah but white people would go and dance to jazz

01:18:28.420 in jazz halls white people would play jazz where white people are right there

01:18:32.780 jazz is awesome jazz is cool um but piano was better my point is back when we had three

01:18:37.960 television stations everyone watched what was on tv it was just american television and there was

01:18:43.940 maybe the cosby's on but then black people watched you know gilligan's island or you know whatever

01:18:49.220 was on like that was it wasn't it wasn't always a niche market for every single subgroup and that's

01:18:56.880 part of that's not just uh uh uh racial relations things that's just you can be totally into

01:19:03.940 whatever kind of music you want anymore like there'll never be another um major band that

01:19:09.580 everyone or another major tv program that every single person in the in the country watches or

01:19:15.180 knows or listens to like that's just kind of over yes it is that's why for the worst there's such

01:19:20.420 for the worse yep such a desire like with like someone like taylor swift to to use her yep as

01:19:26.920 because she's kind of a guy in our church who's really insightful i remember he said she's the

01:19:31.500 last uh syringe yep you know where you can just inject all of society with one person you know

01:19:38.360 like yep um because we're we're now entering once tom crew stops making movies that'll be it yep

01:19:43.880 like we are very close to where uh there will be no celebrities of that caliber all we'll have is

01:19:49.340 just a bunch of micro celebrities i get my news from you know right response i get my news from

01:19:54.360 over here i listen to 11 i listen to this uh bluegrass you know artist and it's like really

01:19:59.380 how many fans does he have 1500 isn't that a lot can you believe it no that atomization is happening

01:20:04.780 all over yeah but all the way back the reason we're talking about this white flight in the 60s

01:20:08.880 and the 70s and crime really peaked in the 80s and 90s as far as the inner cities about 20 years 0.65

01:20:14.540 after we removed the black fathers from the households removed the black fathers from the

01:20:18.340 households, civil rights, with, with welfare, welfare system. And so all that being said, 0.93

01:20:23.600 all the factors, biology is a part of it. Like to be clear, biological propensities do exist.

01:20:28.780 Now they can be managed well by having good rule of law and everything like that. But when that

01:20:33.140 erodes, I think of Psalm 11, uh, when the foundations are destroyed, what can the righteous

01:20:37.420 do? When you live with a civil magistrate, that's going to throw up its hands. When a criminal

01:20:40.820 murders someone, put them back on the street with our daughters in 20 years for good behavior.

01:20:44.500 one of the things you're going to have to start to consider

01:20:46.740 where do I live?

01:20:49.440 It's not a sin for a Christian

01:20:50.460 to pull the demographics of a town they're considering

01:20:52.520 to live in and factor that into

01:20:54.520 their equation. What street am I going

01:20:56.580 to go on? Is my neighborhood gated?

01:20:58.960 That's a good thing.

01:21:00.400 You are permitted, if not as a father

01:21:02.480 especially, with children and with a

01:21:04.500 wife, with family, not just permitted

01:21:06.620 but in many senses, depending

01:21:08.520 where you live. Obligated.

01:21:09.800 Depending on where you live and your financial ability.

01:21:12.460 To talk to your sons.

01:21:13.680 uh like michael you have children that are the big question to ask is just pull up a map and like

01:21:18.440 how many miles away are his our house from martin luther king street oh my word you're

01:21:25.280 down and you just here ironic though like i always think it's so ironic that martin luther king

01:21:29.900 every town in america has a street named after him and it tends to be the uh the highest density

01:21:37.380 crime yeah i've i've not i'll take your word for it every in every season turned out everybody

01:21:42.580 nobody instinctively knows hit hit those locks do not go to roll the windows up yeah yeah i never

01:21:47.460 made that connection um and i think i i honestly think it's providential it's kind of like yeah

01:21:51.280 maybe he maybe he wasn't the good guy that you think he was anyways that that myth is coming

01:21:55.960 down but all the way to that point let me pull up uh someone asked about statistics this right here

01:22:00.680 guys there's there's a lot of images going around they're grainy as can be it's been copied and

01:22:05.340 pasted copied and pasted 50 times you can't even find the source of it anymore on the internet so

01:22:09.500 So I just went to the FBI data explorer.

01:22:11.780 These numbers are some of the lowest that I've seen.

01:22:13.880 So you have numbers that are much, much higher, but if you look at this graph, this is across

01:22:17.800 five years and you're looking at homicide rates.

01:22:20.160 There's breakdown of aggregated assault.

01:22:22.140 There's breakdown of sexual crimes, all of these different things.

01:22:25.000 It's probably a little bit too small to be able to read, but the greatest number of homicides 0.93

01:22:30.100 committed category race is black or African-American.

01:22:33.380 And that would be 34,000 within the last five years.

01:22:38.100 generally speaking homicide homicide okay 35 000 whites are 22 000 than you have down there not

01:22:45.140 specified unknown a couple grand continue that's not per capita that's just total so that's not

01:22:49.540 per capita so per capita does is it says hey someone may do you know may have 75 of a given

01:22:56.340 incident but if they're 90 that's actually better because that means less than one in one they're

01:23:00.900 committing x y and z so what you have to understand this of is in terms of per capita per x y and z

01:23:06.900 the black men what kind of uh what kind of homicide rates are we looking at so i ran this

01:23:12.160 calculation based on 48.9 million african americans blacks here in the united states and about 249

01:23:21.100 uh european whites million 249 million what 249 so just to pause real quick so you're saying that

01:23:29.080 it's approximately five times as many white people blacks make up 14 percent of the comparison you're

01:23:34.760 doing is like a five to one yes yep so blacks to get all the way to the front and then we are what

01:23:40.960 like 60 about 60 percent yeah okay but what it is is it's one in every 1300 right black men according

01:23:48.660 to these fbi crime statistics over the last five years compared to one in every 11 000 white men

01:23:54.680 right one in every 1300 have done have been and these are some of the lowest estimates i've seen

01:24:00.200 there are some estimates that are as high as one in 22 black men will commit murder in their

01:24:05.180 lifetime. Again, I wanted to do my best to pull the best source I have. There are notorious cases.

01:24:11.360 So like the not specified and unknown right there, that's another 17,000. I tend not to think that

01:24:16.780 Japanese individuals, there could be certain people that we're talking about there. But even

01:24:21.180 with these statistics, one in 1300 black men will commit a homicide in the United States of those

01:24:27.340 48 million based on this doing some rough math generally speaking compared to about a 10 times

01:24:32.440 difference for white men one in 11,000 actually sorry that's black people and white people

01:24:37.180 generally of course though it's men that would commit so cities so one in 1300 at the lowest

01:24:43.020 estimate for for black men or just black black black people in black people in general 49 million

01:24:48.740 that live in the united states and then one in 11,000 one in 11,000 right and you need to know

01:24:54.640 this when you buy a home, when you live in a neighborhood. Long term, we hope, as we've

01:25:00.520 been talking about, that the civil government, that the state will come in and say, our citizens,

01:25:05.720 like this is who we're charged to care for. Like, what is the president elected for? It's not

01:25:10.380 photo ops. It's to protect the people of his nation. Now, here's the deal. That's that's

01:25:15.460 long term, short term. What do I do? Well, if you're a man, carry a gun. Well, my state doesn't

01:25:21.020 allow it we'll carry a gun carry some type of protection this is not legal advice not legal

01:25:26.920 advice but but there's there's different ways to protect yourself but that's that's your point or

01:25:32.080 move right so we don't want to encourage people to break the law like wes is just joking there

01:25:37.120 he's just you're joking i'm joking he's just joking i feel like the anakin meme it's like

01:25:43.020 you're joking right no don't carry one gun no carry two he's like yes not but that would be

01:25:48.600 that was a joke but but in all seriousness um like you might you might need to move like it's

01:25:55.580 right like if you're living in a state that has on the books uh laws that say you cannot protect

01:26:01.580 your family right like that's that's unconstitutional well it's not just unconstitutional

01:26:06.900 it's morally heinous yeah it's unbiblical it's morally heinous it's unconstitutional well i you

01:26:13.060 know i'm sitting there on the show you know like i wrote a book about you know there are actually

01:26:17.540 reasons to leave and and that's that's one of them one reason is uh one state um allows me to

01:26:24.660 fulfill my god-given duty and obligation as a father to protect my family and another state

01:26:29.820 doesn't that right there for for pretty much any of our ancestors before a hundred years and and

01:26:37.300 and prior um that would have been enough reason right that literally no one none of our ancestors

01:26:44.180 would have lived in Vermont with those laws.

01:26:47.980 They all would have, I mean, they would have lobbied,

01:26:49.820 they would have fought, but if it became decisive

01:26:52.040 that they couldn't win, they literally,

01:26:54.020 they all would have left. 0.98

01:26:55.760 They would be horrified that any God-fearing Christian 0.58

01:27:00.420 lives in Vermont with its gun laws, seriously.

01:27:03.820 Like John Adams would be like, you are in sin,

01:27:06.860 my brother in Christ.

01:27:07.760 You should be brought up underneath church discipline charges.

01:27:10.880 Why? What's the big deal?

01:27:12.520 you're subjecting your family to a land

01:27:15.580 where you are legally

01:27:17.580 bound against

01:27:19.060 defending them, your God-given obligation.

01:27:21.800 I mean, this is how people

01:27:23.200 thought.

01:27:25.080 All of your

01:27:27.400 ancestors weren't wrong.

01:27:29.560 They weren't. So that alone is a reason.

01:27:31.640 Kate Murray just said, well, where do I move?

01:27:33.420 So I'm saying move. Here's the deal. I would say

01:27:35.260 in all 50 United States, there are

01:27:37.420 safe places. It's called rural.

01:27:40.640 Get out of cities.

01:27:41.320 like that's what happened i didn't touch on that too much but uh it was called white flight or uh

01:27:46.540 suburban sprawl and what happened with the cities being high on crime was a lot of white families

01:27:50.900 moved to the suburbs that's what happened that's how they developed they spread out they built 0.68

01:27:55.440 homes that had poached postage stamps yards uh and they did that to get away from the crime in

01:28:00.300 the cities and crime in the city is not necessarily being perpetrated perpetrated

01:28:07.500 You know, we perpetrated good, great universal brain freeze perpetrated. 0.85

01:28:12.200 There's not necessarily a crime being perpetrated by by Japanese. 0.94

01:28:15.060 So in any state, you can move states totally.

01:28:18.300 But honestly, there are wonderful places in California.

01:28:20.680 There are rural towns that have the ethos of the American spirit there.

01:28:24.520 Your sheriff is not going to look twice if you happen to carry in downtown.

01:28:29.040 So wherever you are, maybe it's just 30, 30 minutes east.

01:28:32.600 And then you're just in a place where you can go to the playgrounds.

01:28:35.340 You can go to the grocery store.

01:28:36.480 but like what else matters like at a foundational level there's building god's kingdom and one of

01:28:42.840 the primary jobs he's given to you husbands and fathers is to care for your family like you may

01:28:47.680 evangelize many men and women in your life your primary ones are the children that god has given

01:28:51.940 to you to evangelize and to protect them that is the primary mission everything else is built on

01:28:56.920 top of it so you don't get to say like well i'm living in in downtown baltimore on missions well

01:29:02.300 well, how does that work if the primary disciple

01:29:04.120 that you're trying to raise gets hit by a stray bullet

01:29:06.840 and doesn't make it past their 10th birthday?

01:29:09.220 That doesn't sound like the right method of discipleship.

01:29:12.720 Go 30 minutes outside, raise them,

01:29:15.320 and evangelize the many people there that need the gospel.

01:29:17.380 And God does call certain individuals

01:29:20.240 to go to hard places.

01:29:23.020 That is, like, missionary is a real biblical category.

01:29:26.280 It is.

01:29:28.240 But my concern, and I talked about this in my book,

01:29:31.160 But my concern is that although missionary is a real category,

01:29:37.400 in order to fit in that category, there are real conditions.

01:29:44.000 And I don't think that the average Christian meets those conditions.

01:29:47.740 For me, that's the problem.

01:29:49.180 It's not that we should say missionary isn't a thing.

01:29:53.480 Nobody should be a missionary.

01:29:55.880 Everybody should just, we should never go to hard places.

01:30:01.160 preach the gospel we should never go to the sudan we should never go here we should never go there

01:30:04.680 um that's that's not my argument but what i would say is that there are certain places in the united

01:30:10.740 states that are quickly becoming likened to like in the same way that like no no church would say

01:30:18.080 you know what um every single christian should just go to the sudan be a missionary be outspokenly

01:30:25.720 christian um no no church would have said that we'd all we would all recognize that's a pretty

01:30:31.200 unique special call it is not for the faint of heart most christians are not up for the task

01:30:36.580 and um and so it's going to be only a few who are especially qualified it's a call it will be sent

01:30:44.500 there and the rest of us will do the role of supporting them we all get that instinctively

01:30:49.120 when it comes to difficult places overseas all all i try to do in this book and i think part of

01:30:56.980 what we're trying to do in our conversation today is say that sadly until morale improves

01:31:02.760 in these united states there are certain places here not just foreign or abroad but domestically

01:31:09.500 here in our nation that we need to begin thinking about that place the way we would think about a

01:31:16.000 very difficult hostile country on the other side of the planet christians need to think about it

01:31:21.960 that's why andrew isker left his home state where six generations of his and joel did you know the

01:31:28.020 six generations thing before the isker interview that was yeah i did so heartbreaking to hear i

01:31:33.320 know it's yeah it's terrible it's absolutely terrible that he had to move but here's the

01:31:37.820 thing he had to move i know yep and he like that everyone gave him a hard time he's abandoning his

01:31:43.500 pose you know he's doing this like the same usual suspects who got upset with me you know came out

01:31:49.160 and got got upset with him um but it's in in his case um they have they have six kids and their

01:31:57.420 oldest uh has autism and what what what people are doing in some of these deep blue states

01:32:08.960 especially with children with autism

01:32:11.340 and the way that they're exploiting

01:32:13.400 and taking advantage of that.

01:32:14.540 Yeah, Colorado's passing bills right now.

01:32:16.440 Washington has already passed them. 1.00

01:32:18.200 And convincing them to change their gender 0.64

01:32:20.180 and then if their parents disagree, 0.97

01:32:21.980 taking them away from their family.

01:32:24.400 Andrew Isker,

01:32:25.660 not only would I argue it's permissible,

01:32:28.980 I would have argued that he,

01:32:32.260 at a certain point,

01:32:33.560 I think we might be there.

01:32:36.260 He might have been in sin to stay.

01:32:38.960 He might have been in sin to stay, given his family situation,

01:32:42.960 the number of children that he has, and one child in particular

01:32:45.520 with some of their special needs.

01:32:48.940 That's just, that's the world that we're living in.

01:32:51.620 If you're a young black man and you feel called to Atlanta, like, amen,

01:32:55.040 you love Jesus, you have passion for the black community,

01:32:57.700 that is way more applicable than a white man with two white daughters

01:33:01.600 being like, oh, I'm going to go to inner city Patterson, New Jersey. 0.54

01:33:05.200 Well, let's hold the brakes.

01:33:07.100 Hang on.

01:33:07.520 Has God equipped you for this calling?

01:33:09.220 Is your just situation?

01:33:10.500 Some white guys will be called to that.

01:33:12.340 We're not saying no white guy is called.

01:33:14.220 But you're right.

01:33:15.000 It is a different calculus.

01:33:16.080 But on the whole, all else being equal, maybe that's not what God has called you to.

01:33:19.520 They used to be, I heard this because I grew up in missionary families, and I heard a lot,

01:33:24.840 and I had to change my perspective on this.

01:33:27.400 The common evangelical phrase was, everyone's called to be a missionary.

01:33:31.780 Some are just called to be a missionary in other countries.

01:33:33.460 no everyone's called don't love that everyone's called to be to share the gospel

01:33:39.520 right to be an evangelist but no missionary is a distinct thing yep let's hit our last

01:33:45.740 commercial break we're going to take some questions specifically a great question on

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01:34:48.520 today all right we are back that uh that commercial surprised us 1815 okay so this is

01:34:56.720 Matthew chapter 18, verse 15.

01:34:58.200 We're getting to a question in the super chat.

01:34:59.580 I'll read it for you, Joel, while you pull it up.

01:35:00.540 Yeah, we're going to deal with questions, yeah.

01:35:01.720 Cameron Stevenson, great brother, said,

01:35:04.060 Question, I hear some folks referencing Jesus saying,

01:35:07.560 Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.

01:35:09.560 That was at the cross.

01:35:10.340 Oh, that was at the cross.

01:35:10.780 As he was hanging on the cross.

01:35:12.140 Does this mean we must immediately forgive the unrepentant?

01:35:15.420 And this kind of comes to bear, Joel's answer being no,

01:35:18.340 this comes to bear in a situation like this.

01:35:19.800 Episode over.

01:35:20.700 Say someone terrible happens to your child,

01:35:24.180 they're unrepentant, if anything, they're proud that they did it.

01:35:26.300 do you as a christian have to immediately offer them forgiveness when they're unrepentant

01:35:30.080 okay you guys said it's it's chapter 17 verse 18 15 no that's church discipline

01:35:35.680 um yeah no the one that says 77 times oh how many times must i forgive my brother

01:35:43.960 even if he sins against me seven times but i know 18 21 18 21 yeah thank you yeah okay okay

01:35:50.840 um yes uh so matthew 18 verse 21 uh then came peter to him and said lord how oft this is the

01:36:02.920 king jimmy how oft shall my brother sin against me and i forgive him till seven times jesus saith

01:36:10.400 unto him i say not unto thee until seven times but until 70 times seven therefore this is verse

01:36:19.800 23 now therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king which would take into account

01:36:26.880 this is not i think you want luke 17 3 through 4 is the one you want i have it here i'll read

01:36:34.540 okay you read it yep thank you um this says watch yourselves as your brother sins rebuke him and if

01:36:41.140 he repents forgive him even if he sins against you seven times in a day and seven times returns

01:36:46.400 um to say i repent you must forgive him yes that's what luke 17 what two through four basically two

01:36:54.220 through four so that's that's the same this is jesus this is the same narrative that luke's

01:36:59.620 recording as matthew uh but per usual luke is uh usually a little bit more thorough right more in

01:37:06.280 depth and you know more in depth he was a physician makes sense uh he cared a little bit more about

01:37:10.780 details and so um this is so it's not like well in one place in matthew he says this but luke he

01:37:16.540 says that no it's the same instance but luke is just giving us a few more pieces of the puzzle

01:37:22.520 so that we can see more of what's going on but specifically what i wanted to draw out is um

01:37:28.020 luke 17 verse 4 and if you trespass against these seven times in a day and seven times in a day

01:37:34.780 turn again to thee saying i repent thou shalt forgive him but look at the verse before that

01:37:42.340 it says to rebuke him verse 3 17 uh luke 17 3 yep take heed to yourselves if thy brother trespass

01:37:50.140 against thee rebuke him and if he repent forgive him yeah so the lesson is um one that we should

01:38:00.240 correct our uh our brothers and and i don't think it's just for brother in christ but um anybody in

01:38:07.080 our life who is sinning against us there there should be a willingness to rebuke them to correct

01:38:12.040 them but if they repent there's now a moral obligation under god to forgive them so i i

01:38:18.960 tweeted out i don't know yesterday or maybe the day before at some point i forgot i i got in trouble

01:38:24.040 for like three tweets this week uh one of them went super duper viral but um but i i tweeted out

01:38:30.020 uh about this father you know saying you know i forgive and um and some people were giving him a

01:38:36.220 hard time and i don't really want to give any father a hard time when his when his son just

01:38:40.140 got stabbed you know in the heart that's pretty um obviously that that is um incredibly difficult

01:38:47.560 circumstances and so we want to be compassionate so i don't i don't have any correction for the

01:38:51.560 father. I'm not going to do that. Yeah, I can't imagine. And so our prayers are with his father.

01:38:58.900 But he said, you know, we already forgive this young black boy. And, you know, and then that

01:39:06.040 became a thing on social media. You know, people were saying, this is good. This is Christ-like.

01:39:11.220 And then others saying, no, you know, he shouldn't forgive. And then some even Christians saying,

01:39:17.380 you know he shouldn't forgive and and so I you know entered into the fray and just said that

01:39:25.560 when we're sinned against you may when someone sins against you you may forgive them if they

01:39:31.720 sin against you and repent you must forgive them so anytime you're sinned against I believe that

01:39:38.680 biblically you may forgive them but if they repent they come to you and apologize you must forgive

01:39:46.080 them but if somebody sins against you and there's no apology there's no repentance um biblically

01:39:52.700 speaking uh there is no commandment uh that says that you are obligated that you must forgive them

01:39:58.840 now what i would say and michael we were talking about this as we were prepping for this episode

01:40:03.580 um you must not be bitter you must guard against bitterness you must guard against regardless if

01:40:10.260 they're repentant or not regardless exactly so no matter what so let's say they don't repent at all

01:40:14.400 if they if they don't come to you they don't apologize they don't repent you don't have to

01:40:18.320 forgive but you do have to avoid bitterness and so there's a third category here there's bitter

01:40:23.700 and then there's forgiveness and then in between there's not offering forgiveness but also not

01:40:30.280 harboring bitterness so if someone repents that's what jesus says if your brother sins against you

01:40:36.920 not just seven times in a day and notice that the cause it's not just over the course of your life

01:40:41.020 if he sins against you not just seven times in a day but but seven times 70 times in one day

01:40:48.020 but every single time he comes back and repents and it's like well what kind of repentance is

01:40:54.180 that is like is he truly repented if he's in one day keeps doing it again and again and again i'll

01:40:59.300 give you one a wife trying to learn submission yeah might be a yes it might have to apologize

01:41:05.680 seven times 70 times in a day that's right in especially in our generation when she's swimming 1.00

01:41:11.560 in feminism and it's all she's ever known and a lot of those decisions were made for her before 1.00

01:41:16.600 she was ever born and she's trying to honor the lord and turn the tide and go against the grain

01:41:21.500 and god god bless that and she might have to apologize seven times 70 times in one day but

01:41:26.800 but if she goes and she repents then yes you are obligated to forgive if there's not repentance if

01:41:32.640 person doesn't apologize um then you you may forgive um but you are not obvious if if someone

01:41:40.360 says this person murdered my son and he's laughing and i'm not saying that that's what's happening in

01:41:46.960 this case i don't know that actually happened in that case where that black woman stabbed the

01:41:50.620 young boy i remember that and smiled and laughed about it the three-year-old boy three-year-old

01:41:56.280 white boy no motive no anything just because he's white yeah so she killed real quick in that case

01:42:03.620 and she's laughing uh those parents do not need to forgive that woman they there's no biblical

01:42:09.080 commandment that obligates them to where they must because must means that if you do anything else

01:42:13.880 you're instead if those parents say uh we we don't forgive her um she's laughing at the death of our 0.70

01:42:20.460 child she stabbed our three-year-old boy just because he's white and um and she's laughing

01:42:26.560 she's not apologetic she's not sorry there is no repentance and therefore we don't forgive but

01:42:33.000 um we are going to pray and be on our knees and ask the lord please help us not to be bitter

01:42:40.240 and heal us because there's a hole in our hearts please heal us restore us revive us and help us 0.78

01:42:48.840 not to become jaded not to become bitter to be wise not to be stupid and naive either that we 0.99

01:42:55.160 could read statistics as christians so we're not praying that the lord would make us stupid 1.00

01:43:01.580 right the the opposite of bitterness is those aren't your two options you can be bitter you 0.99

01:43:07.140 can be dumb no you can avoid bitterness and and also avoid naivety so help us lord to be wise 0.64

01:43:16.620 shrewd as serpents to know what world we live in to know what's going on and to look it right in 0.98

01:43:23.200 the face and not lie about it we don't need to be deceitful and we don't need to be naive but we

01:43:28.300 also don't need to be bitter we don't need to be jaded we don't need to be unjustifiably angry

01:43:32.920 sinfully angry in your anger do not sin so lord help us with that and also we do not forgive this

01:43:39.900 woman who has not asked for our forgiveness right because she's laughing at the fact that she stabbed

01:43:47.180 our three-year-old white son and and killed him um that is a perfectly biblical position the bible

01:43:54.780 does not obligate so to the question that we had in the chat was well what about jesus and so my

01:44:00.520 answer of course is um that's jesus that's a descriptive not prescriptive giving a moral

01:44:07.060 command that all of us are obligated to follow. Instead, that's a descriptive text of what Jesus,

01:44:13.280 the Son of God, did. And there's a difference in what Jesus, a descriptive text about Jesus,

01:44:20.140 versus a prescriptive text about you. I'll say that again. We have to read the Bible with good

01:44:27.180 biblical hermeneutics. There's a difference between a descriptive text about Jesus and a

01:44:32.720 prescriptive text about you. Not everything that Jesus did are you commanded to do.

01:44:39.940 Now, do we want, in a general sense, to model our lives after the example that Jesus set for us?

01:44:45.520 Of course. And many of the things that Jesus did were obeying God's universal moral commands,

01:44:51.760 his Father's commands, that do apply to us. But if I'm reading about Jesus fasting for 40 days

01:44:58.320 and 40 nights and i think you know and i start to say well if every christian doesn't have at least

01:45:03.280 one season in their life where they go without food and water for 40 days and 40 nights then 0.84

01:45:08.720 they're not being like jesus and therefore it is a moral sin well that's dumb yeah that's that's

01:45:15.880 not biblical that's not how we use the bible yes it's in the bible but that's not how we read the

01:45:21.120 bible and that's not how we apply the bible so there are plenty of descriptive texts about jesus

01:45:25.520 that even describe aspects of his righteousness,

01:45:29.200 of his virtue, of his divinity, that he's God.

01:45:32.100 And yet it's not a universal moral obligation

01:45:35.420 for all of us to follow.

01:45:36.820 So Jesus forgiving those

01:45:38.420 who literally just nailed him to the cross,

01:45:41.260 it is not the same as a universal moral commandment

01:45:44.740 that all of us have to forgive anyone and everyone

01:45:48.560 the moment they sin against us,

01:45:50.140 whether they're repentant or not.

01:45:51.800 No, when we're trying to build a doctrine

01:45:53.660 about what to do in that scenario,

01:45:55.520 Should we look to a descriptive text of what Jesus does, or should we look to a prescriptive

01:46:00.960 text of what Jesus literally commands? We should look to the latter. Jesus told us

01:46:07.460 when we're obligated to forgive. We don't have to guess about this. So we don't have to follow

01:46:13.100 the descriptive text about Jesus. We can follow the prescriptive text about us given by Jesus.

01:46:19.060 And what Jesus specifically says is that you are morally bound and obligated to forgive

01:46:24.020 when there is repentance.

01:46:27.680 And if there's not repentance,

01:46:29.180 you can't be better.

01:46:30.720 You can't in your anger sin.

01:46:33.080 You still have to follow all those commands,

01:46:35.020 but you're not obligated to forgive.

01:46:37.160 You can actually say,

01:46:38.140 I do not forgive this person.

01:46:39.860 But it's not because you want to hold on

01:46:42.940 to hatred and anger, right?

01:46:44.860 Avoid bitterness,

01:46:45.760 but also not obligated to forgive.

01:46:47.700 Because it's partly in what the definition of forgiveness is.

01:46:50.700 Forgiveness is a restoration of relationship.

01:46:53.140 That's right.

01:46:53.720 Right?

01:46:54.020 and it's like you can't be resolved with someone who isn't repentant yeah there's another there's

01:47:01.540 another aspect to this because the question was about jesus on the cross father forgive them

01:47:05.240 for they know not what they do when you look carefully at that passage the immediate people

01:47:11.020 that are being talked about in the verse before that and in that verse and then it switches focus

01:47:17.100 in the next verse the next verse says the people stood watching and the ruler sneered at him

01:47:21.340 But in 33 and 34, it's talking about the soldiers who went out and crucified Christ.

01:47:28.700 I heard R. McIntyre say, as he was talking about this, I thought it was brilliant.

01:47:32.960 He said, these were soldiers who showed up to do their job.

01:47:37.100 They had crucified lots of criminals because that's what their job was to do by the Roman government.

01:47:42.640 And Jesus is saying, because that's the immediate context right there, fathered them.

01:47:46.180 They actually have no clue what they're doing.

01:47:49.100 Yes. 0.97

01:47:49.540 He's not paying forgiveness for the Jews. 1.00

01:47:51.340 please do not please forgive them they literally don't know what they're doing but the jewish 1.00

01:47:58.100 people even maybe pilot possibly they they knew what they were doing that's right and so the reason 0.98

01:48:03.960 why the forgiveness is given is because they don't know they don't know and i i'm going to go one step

01:48:08.920 further this is my interpretation of it but i've looked into some different reformers and um i so

01:48:13.960 if you if you look at the crucifixion of jesus where this scene takes place and it following

01:48:18.440 right on the heels of you know jesus in the garden of gethsemane as he's praying right before his

01:48:23.600 arrest and and in his prayer he literally says i do not pray for the world right right this is not

01:48:29.580 a universal prayer right i'm not praying for everybody and anybody you know who's ever lived

01:48:34.220 no but rather father i pray for those whom you have given that's right that's right um so it's

01:48:39.320 the limited atonement so he's the limited atonement exactly so jesus um is he's praying

01:48:44.640 for his disciples, immediate disciples, which would disclude Judas, because by this point,

01:48:51.500 Judas has gone out and handed over to Satan, filled with Satan, to do what the son of perdition

01:48:55.940 was destined to do. Jesus already, you know, he already put his hand, you know, into the bowl 0.70

01:49:00.480 with the bread, you know, with Jesus, and Satan filled him, and he ran out. And so, Jesus is not

01:49:05.320 praying for Judas, so he prays for his disciples, not for the world, but those you've given me,

01:49:09.760 his immediate disciples first discluding judas and then he says and all those who you will give

01:49:16.720 to me for future disciples and that includes 2 000 years later you know you and i uh but but it

01:49:22.880 also includes um people who would have uh who would would believe uh the gospel of jesus uh

01:49:32.080 soon after his crucifixion and i believe my my position is because was it not one of those roman

01:49:38.740 soldiers who after jesus died after he prays on the cross forgive them for they know not what they

01:49:43.780 do truly comes and stabs him in the side doesn't break his legs so that the scripture would be

01:49:49.360 fulfilled not one bone of his body would be broken stabs him the side with a spear two streams of

01:49:54.320 water and blood come out and he says surely this was the son of god i think that's probably one of

01:49:59.980 the roman soldiers that jesus is saying forgive them for they know not what i think he's speaking

01:50:05.120 to the romans he said so he's not just saying forgive everybody and anybody everywhere because

01:50:09.860 here's the deal here's the point this is right why i bring up his prayer in the garden of

01:50:13.080 jesus does not pray against the will of god the father that would be heretical that's crazy

01:50:22.520 i mean come on let's get some good trinitarian doctrine here you know um so god is one in

01:50:28.120 essence three in person the will of god is belonging to essence not person there are not

01:50:35.000 three wills within the trinity but rather one however within the second member of the trinity

01:50:40.760 he has two natures two essences the divine essence the divine nature and not as a substitution but

01:50:48.660 in addition he is added to his divinity in the the in car uh in uh incarnation the second uh nature

01:50:56.700 which is his humanity and because there are two essences not two people it's not schizophrenia

01:51:02.380 jesus is one person but with two natures and because there are two natures and will is

01:51:07.800 belonging to nature jesus the second member of the godhead had two wills he had the divine will

01:51:14.660 which he shared in the one will of the godhead with the father and the spirit but then also the

01:51:20.120 human will that's why he prays not my will but yours be done meaning not the second person in

01:51:26.500 the trinity but the first person no not my that is my human will but thy that is the divine will

01:51:33.740 which the divinity of christ shared with the father and the spirit that will let that will

01:51:38.380 be done so jesus does not pray or ask or do or say or think anything that is in contradiction

01:51:48.440 and against the godhead against the father i and the father are one that's one of the things he

01:51:53.140 literally prays for in the same text john 17 i pray that that that all those that you've given

01:51:58.040 to me that we would be one even as you and i father are one that they would share in that same

01:52:03.600 perfect unity a perfect united will that we want the same things desire the same things love the

01:52:11.180 same things hate the same things so jesus is never doing anything against the father he's never saying

01:52:17.440 anything against the father and he's also never praying anything against the father and even the

01:52:23.120 one time where you even it's only one moment that you even see a distinction in wills even there

01:52:29.300 it's not that it's not two members of the godhead willing against one another but the two natures

01:52:35.380 within the sun willing against one another the human nature and even then they're not willing

01:52:39.920 against one another it's just showing that there are two distinct wills but still aligned because

01:52:44.320 in his human will he's saying but not my human will the human will is fully submitted to the

01:52:51.560 divine will even though it will cost me dearly even death on a tree so all that being said when

01:52:57.760 jesus says father forgive them for they know not what they do jesus is not going to ask the father

01:53:04.780 to forgive sin of those who are not elect jesus is referencing i have to believe this to be

01:53:13.440 consistent biblically jesus when he says forgive them he's asking the father to forgive the same

01:53:19.620 group of people that he's bleeding out and dying for he's asking the father he cannot be asking

01:53:25.600 the father to forgive sin that he himself is not dying for that he's not paying for he's asking

01:53:31.500 the father to forgive the same sin that he is simultaneously in that moment paying for by his

01:53:37.960 blood by his life and so so then who is it that he's praying for every single person in all the

01:53:44.120 world no i think he's praying particularly for the people who are right there doing it physically

01:53:50.080 doing it to him driving the nails right hoisting up the cross mocking him spitting on him he's

01:53:57.480 praying i think for the romans and here's the thing we know at least one of those romans and

01:54:02.420 i think because jesus prayed it i'm going to believe i'm going to intuit and conclude here

01:54:08.060 that uh that many of those roman soldiers actually came to saving faith consider their religious

01:54:14.200 perspective they were going to talk that night yes that guy that realized that that was christ

01:54:19.800 all of them are thinking this is a god man of some sort that's in their mythology and then

01:54:25.080 they're all going to say we are and there's no way we can come back from this except that christ

01:54:30.320 said out loud father forgive them they don't know what they're doing that's so good mike that'll

01:54:35.300 preach so it's like imagine that you're the person who literally drove the nails through his 0.95

01:54:39.000 hands and and and and so he has this experience one of those roman soldiers with with the blood

01:54:44.540 and the water but then also exactly there's all these supernatural things but then also there's

01:54:49.840 another big one uh the resurrection just a few days later he literally comes back to life and

01:54:55.260 you might be one of the soldiers who drove the nails through his hands and then also was standing

01:54:59.460 guard assigned at the tomb yeah and then all of a sudden like the stone is rolled away you know 0.53

01:55:04.080 and all these things take place and and and he's he's resurrected and the jews were the one

01:55:08.720 uh the ones who came up with this this uh talk the bible says this the rumor that oh the body

01:55:15.200 was stolen whatever but if you're one of those roman guards you know that's not true you know

01:55:19.220 that that's the jews are lying that's not true i was standing guard he is actually risen but but 0.91

01:55:24.880 imagine at a personal level you're like so he really was the son of god he really did die for 0.85

01:55:29.400 the sins of the world and i'm the one who nailed him there well he died for the sins of a bunch of

01:55:33.820 people but not mine there's no way he could forgive me oh wait but i heard him yep and he

01:55:38.660 specifically referenced me forgive them for they know not what they do now that'll preach i think

01:55:44.700 that's who jesus so all the way back to the question so so then we should forgive everyone

01:55:49.060 and anyone all the time nope um because that's not what jesus commands go to prescriptive text

01:55:54.720 from jesus rather than descriptive text about jesus and even with a descriptive text about jesus

01:56:00.200 that's still not in the description the description does not say that jesus forgave

01:56:04.520 everyone universally in the whole world no hell is empty yeah jesus has forgiven his people those

01:56:12.820 whom he knows the father had given to him or would give to him jesus has forgiven the elect

01:56:18.400 jesus has not forgiven the people who are paying for their sin in eternity in hell their sins were

01:56:24.760 not forgiven by jesus and they are not the people that jesus was referencing on the cross so

01:56:29.580 what's that oh a subtle question okay uh let's keep going chats yeah super chats i'll go through

01:56:36.160 quick evan davies five dollars thanks so much in the uk we are told not to look back in anger

01:56:41.360 that's quoting an oasis song i mean islamic attacks occur people are indeed coached on

01:56:46.180 what to say i i believe it and if you do speak up jail yep straight to jail wait what was that go

01:56:52.960 go up what was that question not to look back and he was a comment he was saying in the uk there

01:56:57.200 If something happens, like the grooming gangs, they're coached not to look at that and be angry.

01:57:04.700 I see.

01:57:05.280 Josiah Cooper, $10.

01:57:06.520 Thanks, Josiah.

01:57:07.500 Thanks, brothers, for the solid work y'all do for the kingdom.

01:57:10.160 Really appreciate that encouragement.

01:57:11.840 Cameron Stevenson, I know we already did it, but $20.

01:57:15.940 Thanks for discussing these topic, fellows.

01:57:17.620 Please offer your thoughts on the question about forgiveness.

01:57:19.760 Went ahead and tackled that.

01:57:21.020 By the way, the conference was fantastic.

01:57:22.860 Really appreciate it.

01:57:23.560 Thanks, Cameron.

01:57:24.660 We got Jeff.

01:57:25.700 All right, Jeff Halfley.

01:57:26.660 jeff halfley here we go a couple comments some of them are just probably my best friend have you

01:57:31.680 guys have you heard of him before what have you heard of him i've heard of him a couple times

01:57:36.040 whispering on the wind it's like when you listen to or mcintyre's like creep uh creeper weirdos

01:57:40.660 like literally every episode but jeff halfley is a much better name than creeper weirdo yes so

01:57:47.720 jeff is like a handsome dude he does super chat thanks jeff mental illness is often correlate

01:57:52.400 with body illness pre-modern medicine sickly people often died to remove the more mentally

01:57:57.740 ill prone people from the gene pool yeah i honestly in history most men 70 80 of them 0.77

01:58:04.700 they didn't get to have children they died in war they none of their children survived

01:58:09.200 like they just straight up didn't have a lineage i mean i mean i'm not like i'm not arguing with

01:58:15.360 you that's just a shocking some of the breakdowns with war and stuff and like you look at like the

01:58:19.340 outcomes of their children like john owen didn't have a child that survived into adulthood normal

01:58:23.360 in the old testament that they were going to have kids but yeah that's that's some estimates i've

01:58:27.860 heard that there's there are just a number of men that just their line doesn't continue so uh and

01:58:33.020 to the case mental illness physical illness not finding a spouse but i have children but i've been

01:58:38.780 reliably reassured that if your line doesn't continue that who cares because at the end of

01:58:44.960 the day what we want to do is be forgotten and all that matters is our name is written in i want to

01:58:50.100 be the dead end of 5 000 years of ancestors right that's my that's my goal like if you're really

01:58:55.940 gospel centered and you and you got that jesus juke down then what you say is uh i just want to

01:59:03.380 be forgotten remembered by no one zero posterity my lineage ended all my ancestors and all the

01:59:12.240 things that they've accumulated and passed down i snuff it out in one generation but uh but my name

01:59:19.920 is in the land i had netflix i had netflix and my name is in the land book of life and i said the

01:59:25.020 sinner's prayer um and i had been told by by reformed pastors that that's godly and that

01:59:31.560 it's actually vanity to want to be remembered here on earth whereas the irony obviously i'm

01:59:36.240 being sarcastic uh i'm not sarcastic about the reformed pastor thing that's well casting crowns

01:59:40.920 that song like i don't care if they remember me i don't want to leave a legacy only jesus and i get

01:59:46.940 what they're saying there in that building a name for yourself in pride sure that's a possibility

01:59:51.080 yeah you can do it with over correct please do it with pride but here's the deal one of the

01:59:55.820 strictest judgments that god would would levy against people who would sin against him greatly

02:00:02.140 is is that they would be forgotten not just in the life to come but forgotten their name would

02:00:07.940 be forgotten from the earth that he would end their legacy on the earth that he would end their

02:00:13.660 lineage that he would not give them posterity that their name would be blotted out from all the earth

02:00:18.740 it is actually a great honor a good name you think of the proverbs that's talking about a good name

02:00:24.560 not just your name eternally written in the land's book of life but here on earth a good name is is of

02:00:29.860 of incredible worth incredible value uh that's just not people who are saying these they're just

02:00:35.760 they haven't read the bible yes you do want to be remembered on earth and you want to be remembered

02:00:41.760 well for being courageous for being righteous for standing up for god's truth and you want to have

02:00:47.760 posterity and you want them to have pasta you want to for generation to generation to generation and

02:00:53.600 that you would be remembered as as someone who feared the lord and who did mighty things in his

02:00:59.440 name um none of that necessity you can desire those things arrogantly but it does not necessitate

02:01:07.520 arrogance yep jeff halfley two dollars the old testament law had an amazing passive eugenic

02:01:14.040 effect it did super chat five dollars this is interesting if lincoln had given 40 acres and a

02:01:20.640 mule to each freed slave family in liberia what did you do you see as the outcome in that time

02:01:26.480 in our present time and so Liberia was a colony set up in Africa for slaves that had been freed

02:01:32.500 that wanted to return to Africa they're largely Protestant even still to this day um gentlemen

02:01:39.080 how do they actually model their constitution off of our constitution so it's kind of a satellite

02:01:43.560 in many ways how do we think Liberia is doing today I don't think it's doing well it's not very

02:01:50.100 yeah that's what I thought it's a it's a terrible place for crime and life expectancy and all of

02:01:54.420 that and so i i'm i'm skeptical outside of a type of colonial oversight like they had in Rhodesia

02:02:00.340 that 40 acres and a mule would have worked well lincoln's plan all of that at least for a time

02:02:06.060 that's not necessary to say for all time there always would have needed to be but there was no

02:02:10.000 way because we know because a bunch of protestant christian freed slaves went to start a new colony

02:02:15.500 and it went terribly i've heard wes or joel can you confirm that one of the plans that was in

02:02:23.000 place was that texas would be opened as a place to resettle freed slaves is this am i totally off

02:02:28.100 on this definitely floated sending them back to africa i've never been aware of here in the

02:02:33.520 united states i thought there was like a territory that they had talked about like

02:02:37.540 setting aside and anyway lincoln was

02:02:41.160 pretty brutal like yeah he was not the first anti-racist yeah well there were guys i mean

02:02:50.480 i mean he was a you know clearly you know absolutely uh you know a white supremacist

02:02:57.360 most people oh he lived in the 1800s so you repeat yourself yeah that's true but you know

02:03:03.000 the things he said um were things that most people today would be highly offended by antonio fight

02:03:08.200 you over this antonio's a lincoln appreciated oh yeah i thought you said he was smart i i thought

02:03:16.040 so and then he defended oh that's well his his argument is that that lincoln's doing the best

02:03:21.560 he can in that context in this circumstance when you have a new federal states you have this federal

02:03:25.900 system and he really sees it as the best way to keep this union together and so he feels the need

02:03:31.600 with fort sunter and all of that that that's the argument and there are historians that make that

02:03:36.780 argument it's not to be fair to antonio he's done the reading yes yes on this topic he's done a lot

02:03:42.640 what i was going to say though is uh there were a lot of people who suggested sending all the

02:03:46.940 freed slaves out west but lincoln from from my reading he was one of the biggest guys against

02:03:51.760 that because he was like well us northerners uh we want to settle the west and we don't want to

02:03:58.020 live next to them right so that was so there's your hero i'm the reason i'm saying that is because

02:04:02.820 there's so many libs you know that like lincoln is our guy you know and he like in a way he kind

02:04:09.960 of is in a way he kind of is federal oversight right right centralized government taking away

02:04:15.080 states rights uh you know destroying the constitution so he is the libs guys in the

02:04:20.300 sense of like they hate america he also ruined america so he is their guy but uh but apart

02:04:25.560 they think he's their guy like because he's anti-racist

02:04:28.720 not not old age we're back to the anakin meme anyway yeah exactly mb east can you address the

02:04:37.380 tim pool post tim pool i do you know what they're talking so it's uh i think it's the one where

02:04:42.100 we'll describe it as self-defense on kamala anthony oh interesting what so okay yeah i can't

02:04:47.620 pull a libertarian yeah i can't describe it i'm gonna do it i'm gonna do it publicly happy to

02:04:53.280 describe the tim pool situation tim pool has gotten the call many many many times but he's

02:05:00.560 gotten like a like some heavy calls as recently uh he and some other influencers went to the white

02:05:06.340 house and got a good stern talking to from president trump of course right from from yeah 0.82

02:05:11.900 from the zionists who are in the president yeah not from not from the zionists uh from the president

02:05:18.420 but not trump from the real president right yeah so he sat down with bibby yeah and uh closed room

02:05:25.880 no recording no that's right and other influencers and got a good stern talking to and i mean you can

02:05:32.860 watch the clip it's gone viral a ton of times where like somebody on the show is like well you

02:05:36.680 know but this kind of is like has to do with israel and he's like wait what'd you say don't say that

02:05:40.720 bro you know like um so in terms of uh tim pool post like i understand this doesn't have to do

02:05:47.480 necessarily with anti-semitism but that it's the same thing anti-semitism is just one one subgroup

02:05:54.080 of of being racist um so tim pool is um it's just like i've listened to tim pool he's he has some

02:06:02.800 decent things every now and then i'm not trying to be you know a jerk about it but just everyone 0.84

02:06:07.240 needs to recognize like he's a milquetoast fence sitter yes he is he is a liberal the dude is not 0.91

02:06:13.160 a conservative not even close and he absolutely is in the pocket although i think he's on your

02:06:19.420 side with lincoln with uh lincoln being a bad guy no incredible that's shocking do you know how long

02:06:26.300 ago that he posted that it was uh it was this week i want to say it was either probably wednesday

02:06:32.300 matt walsh posted anthony did not fear for his life he felt disrespected that's not the same

02:06:37.480 thing you can't kill someone simply because you don't like how they talk to you it's mind-boggling

02:06:41.100 i have to explain this tim pool retweeted and said i agree with this that was five hours ago

02:06:45.940 yeah okay so here's the thing with altercations how many brothers have not just like gotten testy

02:06:52.120 with one another and done some shoving brawled punched each other in the face oh yeah like

02:06:56.540 honestly like you read like gone with the wind and obviously that's fiction but like the platoons

02:07:01.020 would drill on saturday morning and then go to the bar and brawl until the officers pull them off

02:07:05.580 of one another all of that is just a standard part of being male and sports and everything i don't

02:07:09.580 play risk anymore because my brother and i got in so many fistfights over it literal fistfights 0.93

02:07:13.280 did it ever occur to you though to take a kitchen knife out and stab him in the sternum

02:07:17.300 that you consider that as an option yeah now um like men men brawl so they're not the problem is

02:07:22.920 not an altercation it's the incredible escalation and the lack of control to say i just this is

02:07:29.380 going to kill someone like a knife is not it's not tripping and someone falls off a pier and

02:07:33.820 hits their hits their head there is a legitimate category of we were we were wrestling we were

02:07:38.560 arguing we were fighting someone slips they hit their head that's not what we're talking about

02:07:43.000 right we're talking about impulse we're talking about i don't care what impact this has and i'm

02:07:48.680 just going to do it i am going to say i know you guys i'm always the wet blanket but the derek

02:07:53.700 chauvin i maintained a let's wait and see what the full investigation comes out and says so yeah

02:08:01.460 yeah oh yeah sure no there there's still facts but even if austin said something terrible to him

02:08:07.060 agree still wouldn't just agree i i think he probably did say something terrible to him and 0.95

02:08:11.420 then i've been wrong yep and the response yes maybe punch him in the face yeah maybe a punch

02:08:19.640 maybe yep yep yep um but yeah to answer mb east uh can you address the temple post it sounds like

02:08:26.420 he walked it back but i will say that um i i just i want our listeners to be aware because i know

02:08:31.920 that some of our listeners will listen to temple and um uh yeah tim temple is uh not i i just i

02:08:41.680 don't think he's not i don't think he's reliable he doesn't claim to be conservative either he

02:08:45.580 brings people in the way rogan does yeah he doesn't claim to be conservative he says i'm a moderate

02:08:49.500 liberal uh so by his you know to to speak well of him he's honest about that but what i'm saying is

02:08:54.880 that uh even even as a moderate liberal um i i i still wouldn't trust him um because i i think he

02:09:03.180 i think he's um beholden to israel he took that tenant media money in russia they invested a

02:09:11.360 couple hundred million dollars he was a big part of that tenant media conglomerate that got together

02:09:15.320 so he has a price he has a price yeah i wouldn't i would not listen to him um okay all right that's

02:09:23.000 it thanks for tuning in and uh lord willing we will see you on monday

The NXR Podcast - April 11, 2025

THE LIVESTREAM - Karmelo Anthony, White Flight, and the Bible Belt

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