The NXR Podcast - THE LIVESTREAM - Kash Patel’s American Dream

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00:00:26.800 This past Friday, Kash Patel was sworn in as the director of the FBI.

00:00:33.540 In a trend that has picked up steam, Director Patel took his oath of office,

00:00:38.840 not on the Bible, but on the Bhagavad Gita, a Hindu scripture.

00:00:43.820 While we're big fans of Kash Patel cleaning house of the corruption that the FBI has come to embody,

00:00:50.860 and we believe that he's going to do a good job,

00:00:53.760 what exactly does it say for the future of our still-majority Christian nation

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00:01:02.580 pledge their allegiance to these United States under the witness of demon gods?

00:01:09.600 Can a house divided stand?

00:01:12.080 Now, to be clear, the Constitution does in fact state in Article 6

00:01:16.420 that no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification

00:01:20.020 to any office or public trust under the United States and unfortunately the founders for the

00:01:27.760 most part literally meant that. Thomas Jefferson for example celebrated an amendment in a bill to

00:01:34.680 protect all religions in Virginia that explicitly removed the name of Jesus Christ and wrote that

00:01:41.700 the legislators were intent on protecting and I quote here the Jew and the Gentile the Christian

00:01:48.500 and the Mohammedan, the Hindu and the infidel of every denomination, end quote, from any type of

00:01:57.280 discrimination. Expanded religious freedoms like this at the state level prior to ratification of

00:02:03.820 the constitution in 1788 paved the way for the vague secular language of our constitution

00:02:11.740 that we've come to know today. So, what do we do with this? Perhaps, at the time, coming out of

00:02:19.720 intense religious persecution, insistence on complete religious freedom was necessary to

00:02:26.400 stave off the unholy union of church authority wielding the power of the state. But today,

00:02:34.240 with religious pluralism and the decline of the West, what was perhaps once necessary to protect

00:02:41.240 against overzealousness is now a roadblock. Cash delightedly declared at CPAC that the American

00:02:50.080 dream is not merely for Americans, but for the world. But is it? Does the prosperity and

00:02:57.420 opportunities of America belong to the world with all her various cultures and false religions? 0.94

00:03:04.300 or should America be for Americans and for unapologetic exaltation of the supremacy of

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00:03:45.060 the American Dream, and where we need to go from here.

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00:04:45.500 Today, we're going to be talking about our nation, America, the founding, the Constitution,

00:04:51.360 some of the founding fathers and things that they said.

00:04:53.700 You saw some of the quotes right there in the cold open.

00:04:56.620 but I think the best way to kick it off just so that we can jump right into the meat of this

00:05:01.040 conversation is to play the clip that was going around that I retweeted so Nathan what I'd like

00:05:06.360 to do is play the first clip and then let's show the tweet that I sent out that a lot of people

00:05:11.320 loved and more people hated

00:05:12.840 Please place your hand on the Gita and raise your right hand.

00:05:26.640 I do solemnly swear.

00:05:28.420 I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States.

00:05:35.980 I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States.

00:05:39.820 Against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

00:05:42.320 That I will bear true faith and allegiance to the saints.

00:05:52.320 That I take this obligation freely.

00:05:57.320 Without any mental reservation or purpose of the nation.

00:06:04.320 And that I will well and faithfully

00:06:08.320 Discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter.

00:06:13.320 Discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter.

00:06:16.320 So help me God.

00:06:17.320 So help me God.

00:06:38.320 Wow, wow, wow, wow.

00:06:46.580 First and foremost, we were just with President Trump, and I just want to thank him.

00:06:50.340 I know he's not here in the room right now, but what a ride we have been.

00:06:55.880 All right, there you have it.

00:06:57.900 Okay, Nathan, if you can, I know you're searching for it, but if you can pull up the tweet, here you go.

00:07:03.660 So I said, freedom of religion in America.

00:07:06.160 you're free to publicly worship the triune god as a baptist presbyterian we could also add you

00:07:12.080 know anglican episcopalian etc in expressions of christian worship christ alone is lord of the

00:07:18.320 conscience yes and amen but you are not free to swear by sand demons and hold public office

00:07:24.840 in these united states all right that was the tweet um you always loved it for the record

00:07:31.380 you but you always know um if your tweet is hated by just uh looking at the ratio of likes

00:07:40.300 to comments and uh anytime the comments are even you know even getting remotely close to the number

00:07:47.680 of likes 50 percent then you know you're in trouble and this was one of those tweets i think

00:07:51.780 it had like i don't know 2 000 likes which you know it's not bad no but i think it had like a

00:07:57.400 thousand comments like half a million views yeah yep yep so this one got uh it made it made the

00:08:03.660 rounds and you know a lot of people were upset a lot of the maggot people were upset and here's

00:08:09.940 the deal um for those of you who are regular listeners to the show then um then it you know

00:08:14.720 this is not news to you but all three of us voted for donald trump and uh we didn't just vote for

00:08:20.200 him but we used uh the platform that god has in his providence given us you know publicly to be

00:08:25.340 able to speak to others and we did our best to encourage and make a biblical theological argument

00:08:29.840 for other christians voting for donald trump so not only did we personally do it but we encouraged

00:08:35.080 others to vote for trump and um and cash being sworn in uh on a hindu sacred text the bhagavita

00:08:43.400 none of that is a surprise so it's not like oh you know like i feel like some you know some of

00:08:49.020 the you know more i don't know i don't even know how to what category to place them in some of them

00:08:54.580 would be theonomic some of them abolitionists some of you know like but some of the christians

00:08:58.880 um would you know that didn't vote for trump would be like ha look you know they saw my tweet

00:09:04.460 you know and they're like ha look you know like you you're you shield for trump you know voted

00:09:09.420 for trump and uh and here's this happening so i just i guess the first thing i want to lead off

00:09:15.140 with is um none of us were surprised so when i tweeted that out it wasn't from a place of shock

00:09:21.100 and all it wasn't like oh my goodness trump it turns out that trump is not a devout christian

00:09:27.600 you're telling me this for the first time i i had no idea you know like trump um has appointees

00:09:34.900 who um who practice other religions like no of course like none of us were surprised uh knowing

00:09:42.920 this for one we already knew it number two um now this being confirmed uh if we could go back in

00:09:49.420 time, guess who I would be voting for? Donald J. Trump. Long live the king. I'm very happy with my

00:09:56.840 vote. What we've been seeing, I think has, if anything, has been an incredible blessing. A lot

00:10:03.820 of the executive orders that keep coming out of the White House have been precisely what we voted

00:10:08.920 for. And so we're very happy about that. And I also want to say, so that's somewhat of a defense

00:10:13.980 of trump but um more particular to the topic at hand um a defense of cash um all three of us think

00:10:21.620 he's going to do a great job yeah yeah he might surprise us you know he might do a bad job that's

00:10:26.720 possible but if we had to bet all three of us would say yeah i think that's pretty good pick

00:10:31.240 and dan bongino as deputy director that's really good put it through the wood chipper yep so yeah

00:10:37.240 we are we're excited we think that uh one of the things that you know our prayers is that

00:10:41.480 every three-letter agency in America would be ripped to shreds, and the FBI would be no

00:10:46.760 exception. If anything, we say especially the FBI and the CIA, and we think that Cash is going to do

00:10:53.320 a great job of that. So, we're very grateful that he was actually confirmed, but the principle still

00:11:00.200 stands, all right? We like Donald Trump, but first and foremost, we serve King Jesus. And so, I put

00:11:07.380 out that tweet knowing that a lot of people in the MAGA camp that are, you know, some of them

00:11:14.880 are Christian, but there are plenty that are kind of Christless conservatives. I knew that they were

00:11:19.780 not going to like that tweet. And I knew that we've picked up some followers along the way over

00:11:24.200 the last six months as, you know, we entered into an election year cycle and we started, you know,

00:11:30.020 positively promoting Donald Trump. I knew that we had picked up some followers that we would

00:11:34.980 probably lose with a tweet like that in an episode like we're doing today um but here's the deal we

00:11:40.880 voted for trump because we felt like he was the best it's part of it is just you have to understand

00:11:45.780 politics politics is the realm of the possible we felt like it was the best viable option that we

00:11:51.900 had now notice the word viable right i have personal christian friends who wrote in my name

00:11:56.780 and i didn't do that hang on you guys didn't do that but i i know guys who did

00:12:02.020 and uh and you know i mean it's like i guess it's flattering but i wish you won it i wish you would

00:12:08.600 you know a viable i'm not a viable option um i wish you would have um voted for trump and so

00:12:14.580 so we voted for trump because we thought that was the right decision and still think that

00:12:18.420 um but we said all along that um we want to uh to work towards trump getting elected because we

00:12:25.380 feel like it's the best viable option in the year of our lord 2024 november for our country in terms

00:12:31.900 of presidential viable options that were available to us and then we would also simultaneously right

00:12:37.600 you can you can walk and chew gum at the same time so we would promote trump uh in his election

00:12:42.980 and then we would also do our christian duty uh to call him to account along the way so we're glad

00:12:49.860 that trump is president and also um trump needs to end ivf and um cash do the country proud do a

00:12:59.840 great job we're rooting for you uh we're inclined to believe that you're going to do a great job

00:13:03.660 but at the macro level we do not need people holding public federal office swearing on uh

00:13:12.820 sacred texts from false religions so all these things can be true at once glad trump's the

00:13:18.560 president cash is probably going to do a good job we're rooting for him and also uh as nacho

00:13:24.600 Libre would say, get that coin out of my face.

00:13:26.940 Get that sacred text.

00:13:28.820 I'm going to give the correct pronunciation here. 0.92

00:13:31.280 i think it's how do you say it the baka vita yeah he got booga get that get that out of our country

00:13:39.420 no um that is not what freedom of religion means um you are free to worship the one true god

00:13:48.060 not according to the dictates of man man-made commandments but ultimately according to the

00:13:54.960 word of god and the conscience as it's shaped by the word and the spirit um freedom of religion

00:14:01.720 that means anything beyond that and we will point out it's kind of a bummer this is going to a little

00:14:07.360 bit of a black pill episode today we're going to point out that freedom of religion for many of

00:14:12.120 the founders um allows for this yeah turns out um so what we're saying is yeah uh we acknowledge

00:14:20.960 the history, but it shouldn't. And precedent matters. So we don't want to make light of

00:14:26.640 precedent. But wherever you find a bad precedent in history or in government or politics or

00:14:33.580 whatever it may be, wherever there's a bad precedent, that makes it an uphill battle.

00:14:38.600 That makes it exponentially more difficult to change. But bad precedents should not be

00:14:44.560 allowed just because it's a precedent. That was the same argument from the left. Didn't

00:14:47.860 we just learned this lesson? But Roe is the precedent. For 50 years, Roe has been enshrined

00:14:52.760 as law, even though it was never technically law. But like, you can't just upend and overturn a 50

00:15:00.060 year, half a century precedent. Turns out, you can. You can just do things, turns out. And when

00:15:05.940 it's in line with the Word of God and honoring to the Lord Jesus Christ, you should. You should.

00:15:10.400 And so, yes, I am working for an America. Cash, I think, is an incremental step. I know, bad word,

00:15:16.120 incremental pragmatic right let's throw out all the curse words while there is a pragmatic

00:15:19.960 incremental step in the right direction given the lay of the land and the available viable options

00:15:25.900 we have today but i want to work towards a future for my grandchildren where um their civil officers

00:15:32.960 swear on the bible yeah a certain vice president said something very similar to that recently

00:15:38.340 yeah there you go so none none of this episode i don't think will be spicy i mean people find it

00:15:44.860 spicy because their brain is broken but um but i think it will still be helpful and informative

00:15:49.940 because we're going to get into a little bit of history so that gives you the clip that gives you

00:15:54.000 my tweet um now what i'd like to do real quick is just play our second clip all right so i got a

00:15:59.140 little bit of vindication but here's the deal uh what's the old saying about um about gossip like

00:16:03.840 the rumor you know uh you're before you get halfway around the world before you lace up your

00:16:08.460 boots so before the truth laces up its boots the the rumor gets halfway across the world before the

00:16:13.440 um, the, you know, the truth can even lace up its boots. Um, so I got a little bit of

00:16:18.120 vindication, but the old adage, uh, proved to be true once again, um, that, you know,

00:16:23.320 in terms of the algorithm, not, not nearly as many people saw my second tweet as they

00:16:27.580 saw my first, uh, but you, you have cash being sworn in, um, on a Hindu sacred text,

00:16:33.920 um, which is a false religion that worships false gods. Um, and then, you know, I gave 0.91

00:16:39.360 my tweet saying, not great. Don't like it. Do not like it. And then a bunch of people, you know,

00:16:45.040 said, well, don't you know that he's going to be good? And it's like, yeah, two things can be true

00:16:49.680 at once. That's still don't like this. This is not good. This is a bad precedent. And then I love

00:16:57.120 this. The Lord in his providence and sovereignty, he proves to be faithful time and time again.

00:17:01.120 I don't even know if we finished a 48 hour cycle before this next clip emerged where Cash is giving

00:17:07.680 a speech and uh turns out that the guy who is the son of immigrants from a foreign land and who

00:17:16.700 worships foreign gods might not have heritage americans at the forefront of his mind when it

00:17:22.820 comes to their best interest crazy shocking i know shocking so nathan can we go ahead and play that

00:17:28.120 i am living the world's american dream i am the son of lawful immigrants we worked our tails off

00:17:35.500 just like you all do. And I'm going to make you a deal. I promise you, I will never quit on your

00:17:40.960 children. I will never quit on their children, because this American dream does not belong to

00:17:46.400 me. It does not belong to them. This American dream belongs to the world.

00:17:56.600 So he says to Americans, as an American civil magistrate at the federal level, he says,

00:18:03.120 i will never quit on your children because okay it's like that sounds good thanks you're gonna

00:18:08.100 fight for my children i will never quit on your children joel because the thing that i could quit

00:18:13.920 on for your children actually doesn't belong to your children but belongs to the world i'm like

00:18:19.040 oh gosh could you maybe please quit on my children if that's you know like actually actually it'd be

00:18:24.460 great if you quit on my children if the thing that you're going to fight for is in your own words

00:18:29.180 making sure that the thing that i want my children to own and to have if your your ethos is that

00:18:37.760 that doesn't actually even belong to my children but it belongs to foreign children in foreign lands

00:18:42.780 somewhere else uh that no the the america i understand i understand the historical origins

00:18:49.460 of the american dream and that it did include in it uh immigration that you know i could go to

00:18:54.760 america that was one of the appeals that was one of the appeals that i could go to america and have

00:18:58.860 of opportunity right not free money it wasn't supposed to be that but opportunity uh freedom

00:19:04.180 of religion these kinds of things i i understand that um but the problem right now is that the

00:19:09.920 american dream seems as though it's been made available to anyone and everyone except for

00:19:14.200 americans right like if you could make it available to everyone in the world great but it seems as

00:19:20.300 though the only way you can do that is at the cost of making it not available to us and to our

00:19:24.780 posterity right another thing that the founders talked about to us and our posterity not to us

00:19:29.560 and india's posterity but to our posterity the founders were thinking about the future of their

00:19:34.880 children not not eskimo children not indian children not pakistanis you know like they 0.82

00:19:40.300 weren't thinking like let's give our lives and bleed out and die so that pakistani children can 0.82

00:19:44.200 learn about transgenderism that's not that's not what it's supposed to be for your people that's 0.96

00:19:50.220 not racism right there are different peoples among the earth god established that god did that and

00:19:56.900 it's glorious and wonderful in his sight the idea of every tribe tongue and nation in heaven

00:20:01.200 worshiping before even that what's baked into it an assumption baked into that verse in revelation

00:20:06.720 is um if we're going to have um multiple different nations in heaven worshiping together in unity

00:20:14.660 you would think that the only way that could be accomplished is if distinct nations actually were

00:20:21.260 sustained and continued here on earth until that final day right so god set up nations the book of

00:20:27.100 acts chapter 17 says he sets their borders and their times when nations rise and nations fall

00:20:32.640 not every nation makes it for thousands of years in fact pretty much none of them do so nations

00:20:37.200 change peoples change we did a whole episode on that but um but there is something to be said for

00:20:42.980 my people my people in the ultimate eternal spiritual sense are brothers and sisters in

00:20:48.860 the lord christians you are a holy race holy race yeah all that's biblical but it's not either or

00:20:54.360 it's both and so i have i have people in that sense the spiritual eternal sense and then i also

00:20:58.600 have um my people in the national sense in an ethnic sense um and yes i i don't wish harm on

00:21:06.880 any people but i have a preference for my people let me say that again i don't have racial animus

00:21:13.220 or wish harm on any people but i have a preference for my people i love my children this is going to

00:21:19.460 be a wild claim super controversial i love my children more than i love your children dear

00:21:24.520 listener and i also don't hate your children but i love mine more and i love my nation more than i

00:21:32.300 love india but i don't hate india and and so i'm i'm starting to detect a theme a bit of a theme

00:21:41.360 here nathan do we have that last tweet that i put out where i where i basically you know i i retweeted

00:21:48.120 this the second clip there it is i said no the american dream does not belong to the world it

00:21:53.340 belongs to americans i'm noticing a pattern between this guy and vivek ramaswami is there

00:22:00.180 perhaps anything that they might have in common that's ultimately incompatible with heritage

00:22:05.240 america and of course you know the bad faith listeners immediately gonna say he means they're

00:22:10.440 both brown they are both brown that's true but what i was thinking is that they both are hindu 0.63

00:22:18.660 they both worship false gods foreign gods from foreign nations and they both are immigrants now

00:22:25.160 i'm not saying first generation immigrants cash from from his own words is second generation his

00:22:29.940 parents were immigrants he's second generation 90s they came over about so is vivek and so is

00:22:33.800 vivek yeah right but and we've covered this before but a little bit of general equity theonomy you

00:22:38.800 know still still slightly holding my theonomy card here at least the general don't give it up

00:22:42.600 don't give it up general equity theonomy um even for israel when people would would immigrate into

00:22:49.600 israel number one there was no illegal immigration so the sojourner you know the stranger it's like

00:22:55.660 well jesus said you know like uh you know what you've done for the least of these my brothers

00:22:59.800 and that means you know illegal immigrants no that that means christians oh well okay fine but

00:23:04.580 the the old testament says you know that um you should care for the sojourner and immigrant yeah

00:23:09.380 but they're not illegal immigrants and as michael has said so wisely these were people who were

00:23:14.240 passing through they came and and they weren't going to stay indefinitely but for those who

00:23:18.460 came and did stay your rahabs your roofs you know people like that there were people who

00:23:22.960 came in and immigrated for good but here's the deal number one they assimilated and to be fair 0.51

00:23:28.700 they assimilated uh predominantly they did it religiously culturally uh geographically all

00:23:33.700 these ways they also did it through marriage they they intermarried right so that eventually

00:23:38.340 not them not even necessarily their children but by the time you got to grandchildren great

00:23:43.140 grandchildren it's like yeah these are they're israelites and and the last thing i was going

00:23:47.400 to say real quick with a general equity piece is for those who did immigrate and assimilate into

00:23:51.540 israel the bible says the old testament teaches that it's not until the third generation and some

00:23:56.560 nations that were less compatible with israel they had to waste betrayal because of past betrayal

00:24:01.700 and things like that um they they had to wait till the 10th generation but for the average nation

00:24:06.800 it wasn't until the third generation that they would have all the equal rights of a heritage

00:24:12.700 israelite if we could use that term yeah and and so my point is i think the general equity should

00:24:18.040 be applied here that um number one like we we just need no immigration for a while because because

00:24:24.060 we've been so crazy on immigration we've had basically no borders but eventually maybe it's

00:24:30.200 20 years from now 50 years whatever eventually we would have legal um prudential mitigated

00:24:40.600 immigration but even with that um i as a general equity theonomist and applying old testament

00:24:47.640 principles it's not a one-to-one ratio israel this so therefore america that but the general

00:24:51.540 equity means you look at a civil code not moral law but a civil code given to israel you extract

00:24:57.660 from it the general equity the overarching moral principle and then with prudence you apply that

00:25:04.180 to your situation context today and i think that the application would be um that you do not attain

00:25:10.840 full citizenship and voting rights and these kinds of things and certainly you do not attain

00:25:15.740 the status to where you can be a federal civil magistrate in a serious position until at least

00:25:21.720 the third generation, which would, I think with Vivek, definitely with Cash, would knock both of

00:25:27.160 them out. And then it's like, well, that's ridiculous and that doesn't make sense. And

00:25:33.000 this is, you know, MAGA needs to get rid of all the Christian zealots. You guys are holding back 1.00

00:25:37.740 the team. Well, okay, you say that. And then over Christmas, Vivek says, of all you MAGA guys,

00:25:45.740 he says, you all watch too much TV in Boy Meets World 1.00

00:25:49.280 and you're all stupid, you know, 1.00

00:25:50.740 and you all were doing your, you know, football 1.00

00:25:53.300 when you should have been doing, you know,

00:25:54.820 some kind of-

00:25:55.580 Violin lessons.

00:25:56.560 Violin lessons.

00:25:57.480 And then like literally gets kicked out of Doge 1.00

00:26:00.980 because it turns out, oh, the guy from India 1.00

00:26:04.960 who's only been like as a second generation

00:26:10.120 turns out he's, and who's not a Christian

00:26:13.460 um and and is a hindu turns out that he's not as profoundly and deeply committed towards heritage

00:26:19.740 americans and our way of life as he let on and now he's literally been doing an apology tour for

00:26:24.960 the last three months where he's going to trying to be ricky bobby at talladega nights you know and

00:26:30.160 doing all the quintessential american things you know like i like hot dogs too you know um you know

00:26:34.920 like uh what's the meme like greetings uh fellow americans uh here i am grilling my hamburgers in

00:26:40.940 in my flannel right in my flannel it's like well wait you're at talladega nights you know like the

00:26:46.420 doing the race car thing but didn't you just say that that you should have been with your kids at 0.87

00:26:51.060 a math competition isn't this a bit so my point is uh whether it's vivek with h h1b um and we've 0.99

00:26:58.460 got to have immigrants because america's kind of stupid and all the geniuses are over there in india 0.98

00:27:03.040 or whether it's cash saying i will fight for your children and what does that look like 1.00

00:27:06.740 It means making sure that the American dream doesn't belong to them, but it belongs to the

00:27:11.320 world. Yeah, I don't think it's a coincidence that both of these guys came on the scene as like

00:27:17.100 deeply conservative American Hindus, and then turns out both of them have a little bit of a

00:27:25.340 worldview. Stephen Wolf, forgive me for using that word, a little bit of a whatever, a systematic way 0.82

00:27:30.480 of thinking that's actually not maybe in the best interest of us americans and our posterity

00:27:40.680 and so i just want to there's the elephant in the room i just want to name it i still think cash will

00:27:46.260 do a good job um i i think he's probably a great guy we could probably get a beer and get along

00:27:51.680 just fine um i don't have any kind of racial and animus towards him probably not a steak

00:27:57.260 probably not maybe not a steak or a burger yeah maybe not a steak um we could have a salad

00:28:02.980 together you know um but uh but yeah i think he's i think he's probably a great guy i think he's

00:28:07.700 probably the guy for the job i think he's going to do a good job um but the precedent matters and

00:28:12.580 and then the last thing i'm going to say and then i'll give it to you guys i'm sorry um but i another

00:28:16.480 kind of counter that i that i saw in my comments and people retweeting me was well here's the last

00:28:22.340 you know um 10 people that swore on a bible joe biden right nancy pelosi you know like james

00:28:28.440 coney former director of the fbi corrupt as the day is long right and and i'm sitting here i'm 0.74

00:28:33.620 like yes of course they did you're right so you can always have hypocrites but i've said it before

00:28:38.900 and i think it's fitting for this episode it's um it's relevant so i'm going to say it again

00:28:44.260 hypocrisy is vice paying tribute to virtue hypocrisy as bad as it is is actually not the

00:28:53.940 worst thing the worst thing is when there's no need for hypocrisy because all virtue all semblance

00:28:59.680 of virtue has been completely shredded to pieces and now vice doesn't even have to pretend to be

00:29:05.360 virtue but it can just be celebrated in and of itself and so my point is precedence matters the

00:29:10.520 same thing happened with um king charles and his coronation i remember you know all your typical

00:29:15.660 anabaptists were like this this is this is why we don't need christian nationalism you know they

00:29:19.840 they use it as a gotcha for the you know the christian nationalist bros and they're like

00:29:23.560 here's your christian nationalism haha king charles he bet he i bet he's regenerate huh i bet he

00:29:29.280 really loves jesus huh defender of the faith over there so here's all your outward symbols and and

00:29:34.680 and signs and and all the christian optic all the christian uh veneer uh but we know he's not

00:29:41.420 a christian and they're not doing christian things yes but what's the alternative right

00:29:46.720 that's my question is what's the alternative um what we're saying is that precedent matters

00:29:51.940 and we've been consistent on this all the way back to the primaries the presidential primaries

00:29:56.520 when vivek was running for president we said yeah his rhetoric is pretty good um he's young

00:30:02.940 he's got vitality he's charismatic he's engaging all these different things um but we we publicly

00:30:09.780 said i know that i said um but he will not have my vote and the reason why is because of pandora's

00:30:17.740 box it's back to the point of precedent precedent is hard to overturn and and so my thought was

00:30:24.780 like okay so you get the conservative i like the founding fathers hindu okay but who's the next

00:30:31.100 hindu going to be right you get you get a hindu president and then you get a muslim president

00:30:37.180 yep like that like here's the deal every single one of our presidents in our history every single 0.95

00:30:44.660 one of them has claimed to be a christian and and again the pietistic jfk being a catholic

00:30:50.640 was a big deal in the 60s that was a big deal yeah wouldn't even have a catholic president

00:30:54.400 not christian but right and all the pietistic christians they look at that and they think

00:30:58.320 that's like their smoking gun for why christian nationalism is a bust and it's a joke and they'll 0.53

00:31:02.260 never like well all the presidents have claimed to be christians and i would say yeah and praise

00:31:07.080 god for it my position is not they've all claimed to be christians and they were no we i'm not dumb

00:31:13.740 i wasn't born yesterday i know that joe biden is going to hell unless god miraculously intervenes

00:31:18.840 and he repents of the sin and puts faith in jesus that dude's not a regenerate christian of course

00:31:22.520 he's not but um the precedent matters it it matters that we have never had a female president

00:31:29.860 praise god we rejected the opportunity twice we were so real for that let's go america let's go 0.65

00:31:34.840 um we've never had a female president by god's grace i hope we never do we've never had a non

00:31:39.380 christian at least not non uh non-professing right christian president praise god um that

00:31:45.000 there's certain precedents that even if it's the mere optic it still matters hypocrisy is vice

00:31:52.040 tipping the hat to virtue paying tribute to virtue and i'd rather have that than uh then no

00:31:58.200 not even the acknowledgement of virtue at all that's why it matters okay here's why this matters

00:32:03.620 too right now the republican party trump did something interesting normally like teddy

00:32:08.580 roosevelt he formed a third party kind of ran siphoned off votes there's been a lot of impetus

00:32:13.080 in the past i'm gonna run with the libertarians we're gonna create a new political party trump

00:32:16.860 did something unique he took over the existing one he has in the space of eight years for better

00:32:21.520 or for worse he has taken over the republican party he's remade it into his image and right

00:32:27.280 now in these next couple of years before our next presidential election before the primaries all of

00:32:31.320 this is a crucial moment of the question of what is maga going to be what is the republican party

00:32:38.100 going to be and the future is a lot more wide open than it was in 2012 when romney lost what

00:32:43.480 was on the horizon then just like uh another bush jeb bush paul ryan i don't know like there was a

00:32:49.420 much more narrow view this is what the party is going to be this is what conservatives will look

00:32:53.300 like trump blew all that wide open and so we're in this uncharted territory and it's up to us

00:32:58.200 collectively as the millions and millions of individuals that vote more conservative what is 0.87

00:33:03.340 this party going to look like there's another great example scott presler he is a out gay man

00:33:09.040 who knocked on doors till his fingers bled in pennsylvania and probably turned the tide for 0.80

00:33:14.740 trump in the crucial swing state of pennsylvania and so when you say like well no we we don't want

00:33:20.700 the republican party to embrace activists and uh these marriages that in and of themselves aren't

00:33:27.480 marriages we don't actually want you in a party and there's a civil war going on right now and

00:33:32.080 those were the people joel that were were attacking you wait wait i just was able to to bring myself

00:33:37.180 to vote for trump and now i got to deal with this bigot right and so that's what's going to be

00:33:43.080 determine the next few years are we going to be a christian conservative or christian nationalist

00:33:48.780 maybe be the better term a christian nationalist platform party is that what jd vance is going to 0.84

00:33:55.380 run on if he runs in 2028 or are we going to be well we're okay with gay people just not

00:34:03.000 transgenderism we're okay with you know hindus but as long as there's not statutes in downtown 0.77

00:34:09.600 Oh, there are those.

00:34:11.000 Those are the questions that are at stake, and that's why this matters.

00:34:13.460 So this is not bash the cash.

00:34:15.160 We love cash.

00:34:15.820 We think we'll do a great job.

00:34:17.020 But it is a serious moment to discern what are we actually going to look like in five years.

00:34:22.120 Amen.

00:34:22.540 Michael, thoughts?

00:34:24.500 Hi.

00:34:25.540 No.

00:34:26.120 The stuff I was going to say, better things have been said.

00:34:30.920 Okay.

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00:36:16.920 So in America, this is what we're going to talk about, the founding fathers.

00:36:21.320 And then we're going to talk about how do we have a politics of future past here in

00:36:24.280 the last segment.

00:36:24.980 We'll take some questions, already seen some.

00:36:27.060 But the Founding Fathers, I talked with both of you kind of individually.

00:36:30.680 And unfortunately, the reality on the ground, right?

00:36:33.000 We always have these ideas.

00:36:34.000 We have these stories that we tell ourselves.

00:36:35.260 Well, the Founding Fathers were this or that.

00:36:37.020 We have neat little boxes and a nice little narrative in a story.

00:36:40.280 And those are necessary.

00:36:41.560 But ultimately, the reality of it is a lot more complex.

00:36:44.840 One of the big things, Ryan Reeves, he's a professor of church history at Gordon Conwell.

00:36:48.820 He talks about this a lot, that in America, literally just seems like in our bones,

00:36:53.820 in our conception of ourself is a very anti-hierarchical, anti-authority streak.

00:37:00.420 You think of the denominations that have done the best here in the United States.

00:37:03.720 They would be, at least the most conservative ones, Southern Baptists.

00:37:06.880 They're not hierarchical like Rome.

00:37:08.520 They don't have bishops like Anglicanism.

00:37:10.560 They're a very low church.

00:37:11.640 The president of the Southern Baptist Convention, he has barely any authority.

00:37:15.260 It's really just a loose kind of collection of Baptist churches committed to a very simple

00:37:19.560 statement of faith.

00:37:21.060 And that runs, even Alexis de Tocqueville talks about this.

00:37:23.300 this runs all the way through our founding this runs through the puritans and this runs through

00:37:28.460 especially the founders as they cast off the yoke of england they cast off the yoke of the king and

00:37:32.900 say we want to be a self-determined people now that instinct i i think is really good and that's

00:37:39.040 actually i think what makes men and then taken more broader a collection of men a nation makes

00:37:44.360 them actually achieve what they set out to do it's their aggression it's their initiative they say we

00:37:49.080 have a king that's that's telling us to do this that or the other we're taxed without representation

00:37:52.700 we're going to maybe be made to buy this tea at certain prices and we say heck no we're not going

00:37:58.280 to take any of that we are our own people and so it's this really good instinct and even in a young

00:38:02.200 man i think i would commend that instinct i'll be honest i have a bit of an anti-authority streak in

00:38:06.800 my life that i've had to work to sanctify and to purge to submit to proper authorities but then

00:38:11.760 also at the same time say well that emperor has no clothes and i don't think that's a rule or

00:38:16.100 or a command that i have to follow but there comes a point like i was alluding to personally

00:38:20.640 or even if people have to say but there are some rules there are some hierarchies there are some

00:38:26.380 structures that are really good so going to the constitution you had obviously the declaration of

00:38:31.480 independence in 1776 and the revolutionary war is waged until 1783 after the war ends there's a huge

00:38:38.580 question of what do we do about a government you had the federalist papers you had the

00:38:43.660 anti-federalist you had speeches and essays and a massive amount of conflict and it all comes

00:38:48.440 together in the delegation of states that come together to ratify the U.S. Constitution in 1788.

00:38:54.840 Now, the Declaration of the United States includes reference to the Creator and to nature's God.

00:39:00.260 But in the Constitution of our United States, and this pains me to acknowledge, we have no reference.

00:39:06.200 And this actually isn't something, well, like, none of these, no nations did that. Nate, if you

00:39:10.120 could pull up infograph one, I just pulled this to kind of show even just some reference to God.

00:39:15.820 For example, the Constitution of Canada.

00:39:18.280 And this is from 1982.

00:39:20.680 So this is not, you know, in 1600.

00:39:22.840 It's not their original charter.

00:39:23.780 It's not their original charter.

00:39:24.700 This is in 1982.

00:39:26.060 For those listening, the Constitution of Canada states,

00:39:28.380 whereas Canada is founded upon principles that recognize the supremacy of God and the rule of law.

00:39:34.160 The Constitution of Ireland, this is one of the best ones.

00:39:36.640 In the name of the most holy trinity, from whom is all authority and to whom is our final end,

00:39:40.940 all actions of both men and states must be referred.

00:39:43.160 We, as the people of Eyre, that's Ireland, humbly acknowledge all our obligations to our divine Lord, Jesus Christ.

00:39:51.260 Love it.

00:39:51.980 Constitution of the Confederate States of America, 1861.

00:39:55.240 We, the people of the Confederate States, invoking the favor and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish this Constitution.

00:40:02.080 Many, many nations, many nation states at the time, they chose to explicitly acknowledge.

00:40:08.220 We maybe wouldn't pick ourselves as Protestants.

00:40:10.760 Even this Ireland one, it's really good, but it would be pan-Christian, Protestant, Catholic, etc.

00:40:16.480 But in the Constitution of the United States, you see none of that.

00:40:19.720 We, of course, know Thomas Jefferson, who at best was maybe a deist.

00:40:24.100 Benjamin Franklin, same thing, deist at best.

00:40:27.260 George Washington, most of the time, the witnesses of him going to church, he would abstain from taking communion.

00:40:34.840 There are ways of explaining that, but yeah.

00:40:37.280 But at a high level.

00:40:38.900 George Washington was definitely more than Jefferson or Franklin, the closest to what we would know as an evangelical Christian today.

00:40:46.220 And you had good Christians like John Jay, for example, great Christian men, John Adams.

00:40:51.940 But when it came to the Constitution, and specifically Article 6, as we talked about these public tests of office,

00:40:58.060 the founders found it necessary that they couldn't put the language in.

00:41:01.860 They had to get all these different states to ratify it, all of these different things.

00:41:05.480 And so ultimately, even Benjamin Franklin, he spoke in favor of a daily prayer that we brought before Congress.

00:41:11.840 So if we're not going to put these words then necessarily in our Constitution, in our Bill of Rights, this, that, or the other, could we at least have daily prayer?

00:41:18.280 And it was actually voted down by the delegates.

00:41:20.900 And so it's interesting because you would think if it was just about naming, if it was just about words on paper, and the United States has had an explicit refusal to do so, that we wouldn't see the prosperity that we've seen.

00:41:32.880 it's very interesting and it can be likened to the parable that jesus tells and he speaks of

00:41:37.400 two sons and the father says to the two sons go and do this and the one son says i will father

00:41:43.240 the constitution of ireland constitution of canada and yet he goes and does not do it and

00:41:49.040 then there's another son the father says to do it and he ignores or refuses but then he goes out and

00:41:54.540 he actually does the work that his father says to do america baby and jesus says he says which of

00:42:00.760 those actually did my will which of those were they that's a great parable west to apply to

00:42:07.200 i think our nation and he says the one who did it it wasn't quite there like we wish it was

00:42:12.380 exactly but indeed america has been in many ways a wonderful christian nation let me read this this

00:42:20.520 is quote three nate this is from chief justice tom o'higgins so this was an anti-buggery law

00:42:27.400 i'll just leave it at that if you know what it is you know what it is where a appeal for being

00:42:32.600 punished under this law was so you're just punishing me for this law the appellant said

00:42:36.560 because of our christian heritage and and ultimately that's interference of church and state

00:42:41.860 in 1983 so your grandparents anyone's grandparents were alive at this time michael you were probably

00:42:48.100 oh you were chief justice tomo higgins he says this it cannot be doubted that the people so

00:42:55.100 asserting and acknowledging their obligation to our divine Lord Jesus Christ, were proclaiming a

00:43:00.100 deep religious conviction and faith and an intention to adopt a constitution consistent

00:43:05.320 with that conviction and faith and with Christian beliefs. That at the core of it, this was Holy

00:43:12.140 Trinity versus United States in late 1800s, we got to the point in 1900, so the turn of the century,

00:43:18.780 where 97% of the United States was Protestant. So we were the son in many ways in our founding

00:43:25.640 Now, some, again, certainly were God-fearing, godly, some of them even ministers that signed

00:43:30.880 on to the Constitution, and all of them, at the very least, were deists.

00:43:35.180 There's not a contingent of 20% atheists that were there, like, we're proud, we're card-carrying,

00:43:39.540 we're atheists, we're Hindus, this, that, or the other. 0.88

00:43:41.440 So, at the very least, they were deists, and many of them certainly Christian, but they

00:43:45.220 did avoid the explicit references, and the chickens are coming home to roost now. 0.73

00:43:49.860 So, our Constitution, where it says, like, no, you cannot have any religious tests for

00:43:54.800 public office. Well, now we're in the point. This is what makes the difference. Before,

00:44:01.920 the vast majority of the world couldn't travel to America. They just couldn't do it. There were

00:44:07.380 religions and books and scriptures and traditions and practices they had no conception of. But

00:44:13.980 that's not the same today. So it was a law and a constitution that in its time served its purpose.

00:44:20.600 They're coming out of religious persecution in England.

00:44:22.820 They're saying, we don't want to put this down in the books because we've seen what happens when the church and the state lock arms together and begin to wield the sword.

00:44:32.280 But today, and this is what we'll get to in the final segment, what does it look like to say we're 250, about 238 years removed from the ratifying of the Constitution.

00:44:42.480 We're almost 250 years removed from that.

00:44:45.540 Things have radically changed.

00:44:47.000 and with honor for the founding fathers. 0.95

00:44:49.260 Now that honor, not blind like we've talked about,

00:44:51.220 recognizing that they could have gone farther,

00:44:53.320 they could have done more,

00:44:54.440 with honor for them say,

00:44:55.820 this was great then.

00:44:57.240 And it actually really served the purpose

00:44:58.780 because the people themselves obeyed.

00:45:02.140 The people themselves, the states, for example.

00:45:05.900 States had tests of office.

00:45:07.340 States had blue laws.

00:45:08.800 States had all sorts of Christian conceptions.

00:45:11.460 So states and individuals did it

00:45:13.000 at our highest level, no.

00:45:14.820 And for a time that worked,

00:45:15.920 but we're no longer in that time anymore gentlemen thoughts dad i think that's well said michael

00:45:22.820 yeah the other thing to keep in mind here is is every person is a product of his time right we're

00:45:28.440 a product of our time they were products of their time and i've been doing a little bit of research

00:45:32.600 into the enlightenment and the one of the fundamental impulses of the enlightenment

00:45:38.880 was a flattening of distinctions right and it's really interesting because actually a lot of the

00:45:45.000 abolitionists in England, like William Wilberforce himself, while he was for the abolition of the

00:45:52.560 slave trade, he was totally opposed to common suffrage for common citizens. And he was totally

00:46:00.580 opposed to breaking down the distinctions between king and subject. And it was Edmund Burke also who

00:46:08.760 uh initially was in favor of abolition and actually ended up changing his mind later on

00:46:15.460 and he said that the danger of something like abolition at the time was that it would lead to

00:46:24.520 well there's now no longer um employer and employee distinctions there's no longer landlord

00:46:31.000 and tenant distinctions there's no there's no longer husband and wife uh hierarchical distinctions

00:46:36.220 And one of the things that we just have to understand about that time is the idea of egalitarianism was a new allure.

00:46:49.300 Now we have seen it for what it is, both through Marxism and through the Enlightenment.

00:46:54.600 And we can criticize it having looked back.

00:46:57.680 But at the time, the idea of, yeah, well, equality of people, of all men, all men are created equal, right?

00:47:05.040 Well, a lot of the men at the time understood that while that is a true and noble sentiment,

00:47:11.360 it is one tiny step away from the breaking down of hierarchies, of other distinctions

00:47:16.500 that God has ordained himself.

00:47:19.040 And so when we think about some of these men, like Jefferson spent a lot of time in Europe,

00:47:23.320 sort of Ben Franklin, and the ideas coming out of Europe were get rid of distinction.

00:47:29.600 Egalitarianism is the way to go.

00:47:31.480 And so even as they were beginning to conceive of what the role of a government is with its people, already around Europe, there was this idea that the Christian, and they meant European, way of doing something is not necessarily the only valid way of doing things.

00:47:51.780 That was a radical idea that came out of the 1648, and I can't remember the guy's name.

00:47:58.140 I was reading some last night, but just that statement, there are other ways of doing things,

00:48:04.220 there are other valid ways of doing things, and of conceiving the world rocked the political

00:48:10.460 movement in Europe and in America. Because what that meant was, if another nation of another

00:48:16.680 religion has a valid way of doing something that's not Christian, but we're still going to put the 0.79

00:48:22.720 title, valid and legitimate way of organizing yourselves, then we now have to honor that

00:48:30.860 way of believing or of organizing yourself or being as a society as equal with our own.

00:48:37.360 And that single idea, I think, was really the core of a lot of what the Enlightenment

00:48:42.140 Project ended up being.

00:48:43.700 And so then, it's so interesting, I've seen in the chat a couple times where people have

00:48:49.240 said, well, other nations...

00:48:50.540 Chat's on fire today.

00:48:51.700 Yeah.

00:48:52.720 Other nations, you know, in other parts of the world don't have this idea that they have to be appointing foreigners to their positions of power.

00:49:00.940 This is a fundamentally Enlightenment position.

00:49:04.000 We began as Europe to feel guilty that we had insisted on our way around the world, the Christian way.

00:49:10.040 And European writers began to say, we can't be so dogmatic.

00:49:14.080 We don't know everything.

00:49:15.380 you know and so as as as exploration was happening they were saying well who are we as europeans to 0.88

00:49:22.060 say that the way that you know people in india or or people all all cretins are liars that's that's 1.00

00:49:28.440 right lazy beasts and gluttons all white people are gullible cowardly yes and this and this came 1.00

00:49:34.800 out of the enlightenment and so when we see i'll own it when we see in the constitution and the 1.00

00:49:41.360 process of ratifying the Constitution, that they were reluctant and even unable to assist on public

00:49:47.880 Christian principles, that shouldn't surprise us. That is the allure of what was in the 0.89

00:49:56.860 Declaration of Independence. And in some ways, it was the barb on the hook. You know, the hook,

00:50:01.940 the hook was, or the barb was, we can be our own people, right? In many ways, they were there. They

00:50:08.420 we're no longer englishmen right they've been in the colonies for a long time the barb was well

00:50:14.320 everyone else gets to be their own people here let me let me well said let me engage uh one guy

00:50:21.300 i got one thing to add to that too okay well if it's with that go ahead yeah uh de tocqueville

00:50:26.600 says that in his book that there is a seed of secularism and it's not if you could think of

00:50:31.240 it this way there's the uppercase constitution like the constitution the words on the document

00:50:35.420 and then there's the lowercase constitution that would be civil rights act sorry that's

00:50:40.440 uppercase constitution still that's all caps constitution that is the all caps constitution

00:50:44.680 then there's the way that people actually function like religious tests of office like for example

00:50:49.460 like we never had a catholic there was a de facto functional religious test but anyway all that to

00:50:53.920 say de toqueville said that within america there is a seed not in its actions not in the way it

00:50:58.940 does things not written on paper but a seed or actually on paper but a seed of secularism and

00:51:04.600 he said one of the things that eventually america is going to have to reconcile with it has its

00:51:09.560 christian identity it is suffused with christian european values but it on paper it's relatively

00:51:15.780 secular majorly secular it makes these promises and so presciently says there's gonna come a time

00:51:22.120 when these two conflict that hundreds of years down the road that people are going to realize

00:51:27.060 our self-conception of ourselves as a christian people as a european people is going to come into

00:51:33.520 conflict with declaration of independence is not legislation but it's claims it's obviously

00:51:38.980 lincoln invokes it for example and emancipation but it's claims of you know all men free and

00:51:44.080 equal and all these rights unalienable they're going to come on a collision course and we're

00:51:47.980 going to have to do something about it that the two of them can't coexist together again that

00:51:52.680 wasn't a problem he said that is a problem right now because like right now america's flourishing

00:51:56.400 i'm witnessing democracy in america and their success and their endeavors and their work ethic

00:52:00.740 and all of that who said that to Alexis de Tocqueville and his monumental work democracy in

00:52:05.360 America but he pressingly recognized that there's going to come a point and that might be the point

00:52:09.360 that we're at today like a house divided how can you have oaths people making oaths to different

00:52:14.060 gods and upholding the same office I'm just going to get this quote and I'll give it to you Joel

00:52:18.000 this is John Witherspoon quote Nate John Witherspoon is one of the signers of the the

00:52:24.020 constitution he said this this is defending the so help me God in public oaths an oath is an appeal

00:52:30.320 to god the searcher of hearts for the truth of what we say and always express or suppose an

00:52:34.860 imprecation a calling down of his judgment upon us if we prevariate and lie an oath therefore

00:52:40.480 implies a belief in god and his providence and indeed is an act of worship persons entering on

00:52:45.720 public offices are often obliged to make such an oath that they will faithfully execute their trust

00:52:50.640 in vows there is no party but god and the person himself who makes the vow how can a republic work

00:52:56.940 if you take that solemn of an oath and a commitment,

00:53:00.440 and it's to 15 different gods.

00:53:02.040 That was a binding thing.

00:53:04.720 When you swore to God,

00:53:08.160 that was, like, to do that publicly

00:53:10.320 was enough that people would say,

00:53:11.860 that man is not lying

00:53:12.940 because he knows the consequences

00:53:14.720 that are going to be rained down on his head

00:53:16.200 for swearing by the Lord

00:53:18.220 and violating that oath.

00:53:20.440 Like, that was really,

00:53:21.440 that wasn't just ceremony.

00:53:22.520 That was a legitimate safeguard

00:53:24.800 against perjury, lies, and corruption.

00:53:30.180 Yeah, go ahead.

00:53:31.500 Nate, go up in the chat real quick.

00:53:32.940 All right, we've got a super chat.

00:53:35.220 Very generous, right there.

00:53:36.900 Ben, Ben Huffsteadler, super chat for 100 bucks.

00:53:41.820 Thank you, Ben, super generous.

00:53:43.360 He says this, for all the haters,

00:53:44.880 because we've got a few in the chat today

00:53:46.140 and I'm gonna address a couple of them

00:53:48.240 here in just a moment.

00:53:49.300 But he says, for all the haters,

00:53:50.960 right response isn't going anywhere.

00:53:53.420 Keep it up, boys.

00:53:54.800 reformed for life thanks ben we appreciate that and you are absolutely correct um

00:54:00.360 god ultimately is sovereign we see uh you know we'll see what the lord does but uh practically

00:54:05.960 speaking in terms of as far as what we can foresee as finite uh creatures if right response was going

00:54:12.140 to go bust um it would have happened by now uh they had their chance the haters have had their

00:54:21.780 chance um several times and uh and by god's grace and it's testimony to him and his grace alone

00:54:28.820 but we keep on trucking uh we just put out episode after episode after episode after and they shriek

00:54:36.500 and they shriek and they can't believe it oh the pearls are clutched i can't believe it they did

00:54:43.220 an episode on race why how they said we should repeal the 19th amendment again you believe it

00:54:49.960 But yes, and you can expect more and more and more.

00:54:55.280 So many episodes, eventually you just, you drown.

00:54:58.020 You will not be able to handle the level of based that will come out by God and his grace alone of this ministry again and again and again.

00:55:08.700 I'm sorry.

00:55:09.820 I'm sorry this is happening to you, but it is happening.

00:55:14.520 Okay, so thank you, Ben, for your generosity.

00:55:17.300 And yes, we are going to, this is what I realized.

00:55:19.960 right that i mean there's something to be said for talent you know and uh and intelligence and

00:55:26.660 giftedness and all these kinds of things obviously that matters um there's also something to be said

00:55:31.100 for a high level of production and quality and and these kinds of things um but there's also

00:55:36.900 something to be said for just consistency just again and again and again and again and again and

00:55:44.900 we're still a relatively new ministry. It's been about four years now. But with each passing year,

00:55:52.680 again, by the grace of God and His grace alone, we just keep upping the ante. And we're going to

00:55:59.200 produce more. And the quality is going to get better. And we're going to bring other collaborators

00:56:05.060 like Michael and Wes. And we're going to have better substance, better content, better communicate.

00:56:11.000 um nathan is over there working his butt off you know constantly we're gonna oh uh you do cold

00:56:16.400 opens you know that uh that you work on you know and and it takes you a couple weeks and you put

00:56:20.980 it together we're gonna do a cold open three times a week now four times a week with the friday

00:56:25.040 special like we're gonna do it every day of we're gonna be working and and you know over time and

00:56:29.600 doing this and doing that and we're going to keep we're going to keep saying things that need to be

00:56:35.240 heard things that are true to god's words um we uh we are shills for no one we are um we support

00:56:43.360 donald trump we are so grateful that he's the president we think as we already said guys in

00:56:47.800 the chat maybe they missed the first part of the episode uh we think cash is going to do a great

00:56:51.540 job he's going to be so much better than the last guy who did swear on the bible the white man who

00:56:57.380 swore the white guy who swore on the bible was terrible terrible and uh it's a pretty low bar

00:57:03.800 right so i mean it's it's not saying much to beat him but we think cash will beat him by a long shot 0.90

00:57:07.660 we think he's going to clean house uh dan bongino i mean it's there's a lot of w's in the chat it's

00:57:13.700 exciting that said yeah i want my nation to be a christian nation i want my children to grow up in

00:57:21.760 a christian nation i don't want high places i don't want foreign gods i don't want people swearing

00:57:27.860 in public office to sand demons no no and if that puts me outside of maga it's been real

00:57:36.940 right fine fine i but if you can take it over even better i can take it over we'll see so all

00:57:44.260 right let's go up in the chat real quick there's uh there's a guy called um his handle is black

00:57:49.640 something i can't remember go up black boss okay so he said a few things uh go up there was

00:57:57.220 uh stay right there nah no go higher uh oh stay okay yeah so he said uh it will be hilarious

00:58:07.660 if we see cash becoming the most consequential fbi director of all times would be egg uh on the

00:58:15.800 face of those who criticized and hated on him lol and he's you know obviously including us in that

00:58:21.180 um yeah then i guess you're just not listening sometimes and i get it sometimes when you just

00:58:26.560 when you hate watching something you know you just you can't help but miss a few pieces along

00:58:30.280 the way um not only uh will we not have egg on our face if he turns out to be one of the best

00:58:36.700 fbi directors we're betting on it we think he will right we think he will we think he will

00:58:42.920 and also this is crazy all right i understand right it's walking and chewing gum at the same

00:58:47.880 time it's difficult for some it's difficult for many you know but um but two things can be true

00:58:52.520 at the same time in two separate categories cash as an individual person we think is going to be

00:58:57.140 great also in terms of the precedent the virtue the value yeah no swearing to sand demons in these

00:59:06.360 united states as in long term that will destroy us as long as though we could we could do it and

00:59:11.660 in perpetuity these next four years we would function great awesome 400 years though impossible

00:59:16.540 thinking about my grandkids i'm thinking about my grandkids um and then there was one more from 0.89

00:59:21.500 black boss. Cause he, I want to give him the benefit of the doubt. I really, I'm not trying 1.00

00:59:24.860 to be mean here. Cause I've never seen him in the chat before. I assume he's, he's brand new

00:59:30.240 and not familiar with our ministry. And I'm glad you're here. I'm glad you're here. But he said

00:59:34.880 something about how I wouldn't want someone, you know, the three of us, me, Michael and Wes,

00:59:38.260 wouldn't want someone like him voting. And I'm, and I want to speak to that. Sometimes, you know,

00:59:43.700 you just ignore the chat, you know, because it's just whatever. But sometimes I, you know,

00:59:47.880 sometimes i wake up and choose violence you know and i decide to lean in so uh he says this black

00:59:52.620 boss uh if these people talking about me michael and wes had their way i would have never been

00:59:58.980 allowed to vote okay so now black boss you know the handle's making a little bit more sense i think

01:00:04.440 this is somebody who is black okay so uh they wouldn't have let me vote or own property and 0.95

01:00:09.360 worse along with millions of my brothers and sisters um a blot on the conservative movement 0.95

01:00:16.060 Then again, I understand when you're hate-washing something, when you're hate-watching,

01:00:20.900 you probably miss certain pieces along the way.

01:00:23.600 But see my published work.

01:00:25.560 In fact, see the published work of this episode happening right now, about 25 minutes, you

01:00:31.520 know, just 25 minutes ago.

01:00:34.540 I'm a general equity theonomist, God-fearing Christian, and a patriot who loves these United

01:00:39.600 States.

01:00:39.980 i believe that as it was said to israel for those who immigrate in by the third generation

01:00:46.800 that they should be able to attain full citizenship which includes voting rights for black individuals

01:00:53.140 in this country not all some might be haitian and arrived last week right some might be nigerian and

01:01:00.520 arrived in the last you know 15 years or something like that but for heritage black americans like i

01:01:07.980 understand, there are some bona fide guys who are unhinged on the race issue. I'm not one of them.

01:01:14.260 I seem unhinged because everybody has race brain and is broken. Everybody right now, 0.93

01:01:21.740 the minute you even start talking about it, it's like the Nazis. You start talking about Jews.

01:01:28.460 And it's like, oh no, he's going there. Yeah, we can go there. We can say, yeah, 0.99

01:01:33.080 the influence that israel has on our country is no bueno no bueno um this is not good talmudic 1.00

01:01:40.840 judaism is not just evil but a pernicious evil i have a nine-part series black boss you're probably 0.99

01:01:47.680 new to the show again catching you up to speed here i have a nine-part series each episode being 0.94

01:01:52.960 40 minutes to an hour long um covering all your israel kind of stuff that a lot of conservatives

01:01:59.940 are not willing to go there. So I'm an equal offender. And as it pertains to these kinds of 0.87

01:02:05.340 issues, whether it's the topic of anti-Semitism or the topic of racism, our brains, because of

01:02:13.180 the post-war consensus and the liberal order in the 20th century, are just broken. But here's

01:02:20.540 the reality. I am not unhinged by the grace of God. He gets all the credit. And I also, I'd like

01:02:26.800 to think, a bit biased here, I admit, but I don't think my brain is broken either. And so I can say,

01:02:33.200 yeah, Haitians should not be voting in our election. And also, I would like to send them 1.00

01:02:38.900 back. That said, Thomas Sowell, I'm a huge fan. Votie Bauckham, that guy is in Africa right now,

01:02:49.040 but coming back, and I'm stoked. I'm so excited that Votie Bauckham is coming back to these

01:02:55.040 United States of America. Clarence Thomas, one of my favorite Anglo-Protestants, because he

01:03:01.860 embodies, what I mean by that, Black Boss, is he embodies the spirit and the culture of what it is

01:03:07.240 to be Anglo-Protestant, and he is a heritage American who can trace his ancestry back probably

01:03:13.440 even further than I can in terms of being a part of these United States, not merely as an immigrant,

01:03:19.380 but in many ways in the founding and the settling of this country. So by the time right now,

01:03:26.040 yet right now, we need to shut down the border, no more immigration till we can figure out what's

01:03:29.980 going on. Okay. So no more immigration for a while because it's been absurd. But eventually

01:03:34.780 one day I would like to see legal, prudent, mitigated immigration. And when that happens, 0.96

01:03:42.360 not, I just got here last week and I'm now voting for the president of the country,

01:03:46.400 but three generations in three generations in and that is a biblical general equity principle from

01:03:53.040 the bible three generations in okay that you are now heritage america and uh and you are going to

01:03:59.720 vote in our elections as it pertains to the black community not haitians right but the black

01:04:05.140 community that is a part of heritage america that can trace their ancestry back you're here uh

01:04:11.320 brother vote you get to vote now that said please don't vote crappy please vote well

01:04:20.880 vote well and and if you've been voting for democrats and you just became maga um like like

01:04:29.860 six weeks ago and you were saying she's so brat before that and and you're an mpc and and just

01:04:38.020 the chip was just all of a sudden changed in your mind and and you're now you you voted for trump

01:04:43.540 for you this is the first republican you've ever voted for in your entire life and you're telling

01:04:49.380 me that i'm too extreme friend friend think about that for a second think about that for a second

01:04:57.120 i think that heritage america black or white whatever um you're citizens of these united

01:05:04.620 states you get to vote in elections however that said you should be aware um that the black

01:05:11.600 community that has a right to vote statistically has voted for many of the things that has been 0.99

01:05:18.000 destroying the country and they've been doing so for decades i have not i have been voting for the

01:05:25.300 things that you're excited about with cash with trump i have been on that side of the political

01:05:30.060 aisle for years and years and years and years and all i'm saying is that i'm glad we're winning

01:05:36.120 and we are winning but also i would like for my grandkids when i'm dead and gone for them to have

01:05:42.180 a chance at winning too so there's things to celebrate today but also in the same breath

01:05:47.160 right not not one overriding the other both of these statements i mean them both from the bottom

01:05:52.680 of my heart i'm celebrating today w's in the chat right so much winning and i'm not tired of winning

01:05:58.980 but also there are some long-standing threats and multiculturalism not different colors

01:06:07.380 but multiculturalism where assimilation never really happens a bunch of people come from a

01:06:13.580 foreign place they all they all um land in the same spot and and and have their own and they

01:06:20.560 don't even learn how to speak english and they have their own little culture and they they fly

01:06:24.320 the flags of the nation they came from yeah exactly and and they're like mexico mexico or

01:06:29.520 whatever it is pakistan pakistan um no that a nation like that in terms of long term is not

01:06:36.680 viable we need one culture and and so if we're going to have a united culture culture comes from

01:06:44.440 the latin word cultus which is worship culture stems from religion if you're going to have one

01:06:51.100 culture, you've got to have one God. And so I want to see the leaders of our nation swearing an oath

01:06:57.800 by that one God. Cash? Awesome. Will he do well? I'm betting on it. No egg on my face. There'll be

01:07:04.620 egg on my face if he does a poor job, because I think he's going to do great. I think he's going

01:07:08.860 to do great. Especially once the Epstein list comes out. Especially that. It could be in a

01:07:12.400 early test. Could be in a minute. We're stoked. But long-term, I'm talking long-term, thinking

01:07:18.380 about my children's children right the bible says a wise man leaves an inheritance for his

01:07:24.540 children's children if i just get on here and i just wave my mega flag and and oh yeah trump

01:07:30.720 my grandchildren will look back if these videos still exist and they'll say granddad we wish you

01:07:38.520 would have loved us we're living in a hellscape now like i'm glad i'm glad that you got four good 0.82

01:07:45.600 years guys you you get frustrated all the time about the boomers the thing you're criticizing 0.75

01:07:51.680 with us right now is the very thing that the boomers did they they yolo'd they yolo'd they 0.94

01:07:57.160 lived for themselves for one generation but they ruined the economy ruined our borders 0.92

01:08:03.640 invited globalism all these different and and then and that's how you got the four years of 0.94

01:08:10.860 hell from 2020 to 2024 with double masking and like and maybe you know again black boss i'm not 0.57

01:08:17.340 trying to pick on you but i you're i think a good case study in our chat today and so i'm going to 0.57

01:08:21.920 use it um your comments in some sense it's like you sound vaxxed right you sound like this guy

01:08:33.120 you know i think this guy might be um it's not about your your race it's not about your color

01:08:38.420 But it sounds like this guy might have had seven boosters.

01:08:41.780 You know, think in categories.

01:08:45.080 Think bigger.

01:08:45.880 Think longer.

01:08:47.360 Trump, let's go.

01:08:48.880 MAGA, I'm here for it.

01:08:50.700 Cash, let's get the Epstein list. 0.54

01:08:52.860 And I think he's going to do it.

01:08:54.720 I'm excited.

01:08:55.960 You, can you vote?

01:08:56.980 I don't know.

01:08:57.480 Are you Heritage American?

01:08:58.860 Are you Haitian?

01:08:59.540 Did you show up last week? 1.00

01:09:00.500 Then no.

01:09:01.320 Are you Heritage American?

01:09:02.680 Then yes, sir, you sure can.

01:09:04.980 But let's vote well.

01:09:06.700 And let's think about our children's children, beyond just our generation, beyond just ourselves.

01:09:11.320 We need unity in this country.

01:09:13.400 We need one culture, not a bunch of different cultures that stay isolated and war as factions

01:09:17.780 against one another and never assimilate.

01:09:20.000 We need one culture, and culture comes from worship.

01:09:22.600 We need one God, the triune God. 0.96

01:09:25.520 That's what we're saying.

01:09:26.940 And I'm glad that you're listening.

01:09:28.640 I hope that you stuck around and caught that.

01:09:30.160 Let me add to someone noted that Clarence Thomas is technically Catholic in his convictions,

01:09:34.200 but american catholicism has been deeply influenced by a majority protestant culture

01:09:39.340 i don't think joel meant yeah you meant culture this is a christian culture

01:09:42.620 we know he's catholic well he's catholic yeah he's also not anglo yeah he's black

01:09:47.960 but what i meant is the culture exactly he is he is heritage american which is shaped the the

01:09:54.120 american heritage american culture is an anglo-protestant culture and he's not ruling

01:09:58.560 from the bench like well i'm a catholic catholic integralist and i think it should be this way

01:10:02.520 he's taking like here's the founding fathers that were majority protestant not all of them as we

01:10:06.920 discussed here's what they intended this side or the other let's hit our last commercial break and

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01:12:31.760 I really appreciate you sticking around. So this is Black Boss. I was engaging you earlier, 1.00

01:12:35.940 right before the commercial break. He came in and he said, I'm Baptist. And no, I did not take

01:12:40.520 the vax most of my friends didn't stop stereotyping me all right you know what you sound vaxed but

01:12:48.520 you're not and for that salute well done um here's the deal what i'm getting at it sounds like you're

01:12:56.120 not one of these guys i'm glad you stuck around i'm glad you're listening and uh i hope you stick

01:13:00.240 around in the future and uh hate watch a little bit more but here's the deal you'll be surprised

01:13:05.880 we will agree you'll disagree with me on plenty of things i have no doubt um but i think i think

01:13:13.240 you'll enjoy the ride we talk about hard-hitting subjects that matter and we're probably not as

01:13:18.780 far apart as you think and to be fair as i thought because uh it sounds like you're seven fewer

01:13:25.240 boosters than than i was uh than i was assuming so um congratulations with that uh but you said

01:13:31.520 uh you're baptist and then what else did he say most of his friends didn't most of my friends

01:13:35.920 oh okay so this is what so then it doesn't apply to you praise god that's great uh glad you're here

01:13:40.680 but there are i think you if this doesn't apply to you then you should agree with me all the more

01:13:45.120 um there are and you should recognize this black boss there are a lot of guys who are

01:13:51.660 lifelong democrat voters who were wearing not just a mask but two masks alone in the house 0.61

01:13:59.400 their car while showering you know and and giving themselves you know their 14th booster um there's

01:14:06.400 a lot of people my point is there's a lot of people who are completely hoodwinked and and and

01:14:11.220 i'm not talking about right away but i mean like very very very much i think of like bill maher

01:14:16.700 right guys who just have been you know voting against conservatives their entire life were

01:14:24.040 completely fooled by everything in 2020 all the propaganda all the kind of stuff um and and those

01:14:31.460 people even that's why trump won and i'm and i'm i'm grateful for it but those people very very

01:14:37.620 recently have come out of the woodwork and realized oh the democrats hate me actually

01:14:44.000 they actually hate me um there's a lot of people like that and there are a lot it may not be you

01:14:50.440 and i'm glad it's not but there are a lot of people like that and there are a lot of people

01:14:53.460 like that in our chat today and so my point is um for those people who are brand new to the

01:15:01.080 conservative movement for them to say um well this is my movement and you lifelong republican

01:15:08.100 voting christians don't belong and say and i also uh i voted for joe biden in 2020 but but it's mine 0.99

01:15:20.180 you're you're out of your mind you're you're crazy no no um come on in uh join the team the 0.97

01:15:28.580 water's fine we're glad you're here uh but you don't get to be team captain if you arrived 15 1.00

01:15:33.480 minutes ago you were supporting gay marriage a couple years ago and we've been against it not

01:15:38.380 for 25 years black box but there are people that are like oh like five minutes ago i kind of

01:15:44.720 realize that love isn't actually love in this way the other great glad you're here uh sit down we've

01:15:49.700 held this view for about 25 years that's right and so we're going to be in the driver's seat

01:15:53.940 for the next periods of cultural change yeah but thank you for engaging appreciate it thanks for

01:16:00.100 sticking around and being uh being a good sport appreciate that all right all right west here's

01:16:05.840 what i want to land the plane with i was taking a political political science political theory class

01:16:11.560 it's like one of the ones online it's from yale and the professor as he was lecturing and instructing

01:16:16.300 He said, one of the things that the ancients kind of came to realize is that there is no, in abstract, perfect form of government, that there does not exist somewhere out there in the ether for all people and all types of terrain and environment and all sizes, in all time places, with all sorts of technology.

01:16:34.820 There's some universal system that would work for all of them.

01:16:37.560 That's the reason that the American dream works so well here.

01:16:40.020 But it turns out you can't just take our constitution, model it, and it works somewhere else in the world.

01:16:44.500 and the point is the founding fathers recognize this so this is thomas pain very influential

01:16:50.040 a lib comparatively compared to the rest of the ones rest of the fathers a lib for this time for

01:16:55.680 his time for his time thomas pain was definitely a little but he says this in the rights of man

01:17:00.480 so nate this is quote one the older they and that is the forms of government are the less

01:17:04.940 correspondence can they have with the present state of things time and change of circumstances

01:17:09.420 and opinions have the same progressive effect in rendering modes of government obsolete

01:17:13.600 as they have upon customs and manners, agriculture, commerce, manufacture, and the tranquil arts

01:17:18.940 by which the prosperity of nations is best promoted require a different system of government

01:17:23.820 and a different species of knowledge to direct its operations than what might have been required

01:17:28.640 in the former condition of the world. So we spent a lot of time talking like, guys, we did this in

01:17:33.660 our constitution and it actually worked pretty well it brought about a prosperous christian

01:17:39.300 nation even if maybe the christianity wasn't enshrined in the constitution or a preamble or

01:17:43.240 a charter like we achieved a mass virtually unanimous christian majority but again in a

01:17:51.720 world where for one all the religions of the world are now accessible to us before if you

01:17:57.280 was hiding in missouri there was no way you were going to become a convert short of literally

01:18:01.840 encountering someone who's very rare to judaism or hinduism or buddhism you just you didn't have

01:18:08.300 access to that information their scriptures weren't at the library they didn't have mosques

01:18:12.400 or temples or anything near you but today how many people get radicalized online to islam by us

01:18:18.760 oh not the islam part but they do get right people are getting radicalized right we're

01:18:23.420 radicalizing but then others are getting radicalized to religions from halfway around

01:18:27.480 the world to eastern religions to religions with a pantheon of gods and so what pain is saying and

01:18:33.520 many many many have recognized through time is when we say like hey these the ban on public

01:18:38.620 tests for office hey the lack of specificity in regards to god and the christian religion

01:18:43.220 it actually did work it actually was successful there's a great question here for two from

01:18:49.040 truttle why have other european states that even did have this language in the constitution why

01:18:53.300 have they faltered and we haven't we'll get to that question but ultimately because they're

01:18:57.480 european because the european mind cannot comprehend the american spirit

01:19:03.140 yep i like they're weak they're weak let me let me just show george washington this is in his

01:19:09.680 farewell address it's just a short line but again like illustrates it's scary to talk about the

01:19:14.040 constitution and that it might not be suitable for our next 250 years but i think this was always

01:19:18.860 what in some level the great minds that founded our nation recognized this time would come

01:19:23.180 George Washington in his farewell address says this

01:19:25.680 The basis of our political systems is the right of the people

01:19:28.240 to make and to alter their constitutions of government

01:19:32.200 The foundation of our political system is the right of the people

01:19:35.200 to make and alter their constitutions of government

01:19:37.060 The constitution which at any time exists

01:19:39.180 till changed by an explicit and authentic act of the whole people

01:19:41.840 is sacredly obligatory upon all

01:19:43.880 The very idea of the power and the right of the people

01:19:45.800 to establish government presupposes

01:19:48.140 the duty of every individual to obey the established government

01:19:51.200 So Washington's obviously saying there that as long as it exists, we have an obligation as the people of that, citizens of that nation, to obey it.

01:19:59.020 But there comes a time by an authentic and organic work that you have to say, we're just living in something different.

01:20:05.580 And so that's what's changing now.

01:20:07.020 That's the transition the Republican Party is undergoing.

01:20:09.260 That's what globalism's wrought.

01:20:10.940 And the categories that existed before, even into the 80s and the 90s and the early 2000s, they just don't exist in the same way.

01:20:17.620 which means the future is very wide open

01:20:20.520 which is scary but that's also

01:20:22.420 opportunity. It's opportunity to go

01:20:24.660 back. Who knows what the next 20 years will bring

01:20:26.780 but potentially hopefully the opportunity

01:20:28.600 to go back and say this time around

01:20:30.800 much more Christian

01:20:32.520 much more clear 0.62

01:20:33.840 a barring of these religions from holding

01:20:36.720 office. Again not individually because

01:20:38.600 we want to see Kash Patel

01:20:39.760 demoted or

01:20:42.700 removed from his office but to say this precedent

01:20:44.780 that it's setting is going to

01:20:46.660 destroy us unless we change course. Amen. I think what's interesting about Washington's quote is

01:20:52.820 his perception of what the American project was about was not specifically representative

01:21:02.520 government or three branches of government with checks and balances. His understanding of what

01:21:09.220 the American project was about was that a people have a right to determine the proper government

01:21:14.220 for who they are as a people and the times that they live in yep and that that really is more

01:21:20.320 revolutionary than a democratic republic or how they they they set up the branches and things

01:21:27.460 like that um and not everyone's gonna agree war broke out with england tons of people didn't want

01:21:33.520 it tons of people did but he who wins ultimately gets to set the record and say no this is what

01:21:39.000 we're going to be yeah all right let's get the super chats flowing guys all right i don't even

01:21:44.020 know what to say now i'm not talking to you guys i'm talking to people out there in the interwebs

01:21:48.440 we've got three of them guys three super chats oh stop waiting okay here we go the bible journey

01:21:54.420 this is from the bible journey super chat five dollars thank you we appreciate it they say this

01:21:59.780 uh hello pastor joel i have a quick question concerning the order of love right the order

01:22:04.300 Morris. Would a husband put his wife before his kids or the other way around? Thank you so much

01:22:10.200 for reaching out. Good question. It is the former, not the latter. The husband would prefer his wife.

01:22:17.120 That would be his greatest affection, his greatest devotion, his greatest allegiance in the human

01:22:22.180 sense, in the human plane, above his kids. And that's one of the ways to actually, whenever you

01:22:28.260 love properly, when you properly order your loves, you will actually find yourself loving those who

01:22:33.780 are lower on the totem pole better than you would otherwise. So my kids, actually, it sounds

01:22:39.120 counterintuitive, but it's true. I regularly will tell my kids, my young children, that I love

01:22:46.340 their mom more than them. For instance, here's a little example. I've been given kind of more,

01:22:52.220 I try not to share a whole lot of my personal life because people will use it against me.

01:22:56.360 There's lots of people who hate mail and death threats. And yes, that's not hyperbolic. We get

01:23:01.680 death threats um but uh so i don't really want them to know a whole lot about you know the

01:23:06.980 personal details of my life my my family my wife um but um i've been giving some examples lately

01:23:12.700 and uh trying to be careful with them so here's another uh so just last night um two of my

01:23:18.680 children uh ruth and eleanor both uh really really really wanted to sleep um with dad and ruth is five

01:23:26.920 in Eleanor's for, for context. And we, you know, dad, I want to sleep with you tonight. I, you

01:23:33.160 know, we don't want to sleep in our bed. We want to sleep in yours. And I was like, guys, no,

01:23:38.540 mom gets to sleep with me. And why, how come mom always gets to sleep with you? It's not fair. And

01:23:44.880 they were both like really mad about it. You know, mom always sleeps with you. Like, and they were 1.00

01:23:49.940 basically advocating for why we should take equal turns of, you know, sleeping with dad. And I was

01:23:55.480 like um well mom gets to sleep with me because i um more than you because occasionally like if we're

01:24:00.840 taking you know it's a sunday afternoon we take a nap or something like that i you know one of the

01:24:04.200 kids might take a nap with me um and i said mom gets to sleep with dad uh way more than you because

01:24:09.980 dad loves mom more than you that's why um like well that's not fair and i was like um it's not

01:24:18.680 about fairness it it may not be fair i i but it's it's good it's like the aslan quote it's like um

01:24:24.920 is he safe nah he's a lion he no he ain't safe but he's good right well that's not fair it's not

01:24:31.700 fair but it's good it's right and and and as we talked about a little bit more and i won't give

01:24:36.900 all the details but as we talked about a little bit more you could see the the disposition of my

01:24:40.980 two daughters begin to change and and there's a certain security and safety that comes with like

01:24:48.380 dad loves mom more than me but but i feel actually safer because of it that my family's not going

01:24:57.440 to be shaken and fractured and divided um because dad's love for mom his his allegiance to mom

01:25:06.680 is what makes all the children secure um and so anyways uh to answer the question uh yeah

01:25:13.940 the wife comes before the kids and ironically although it sounds counterintuitive um you

01:25:19.680 actually be loving your kids more fully more richly and uh and they will uh over time maybe

01:25:25.920 not when they're four there's some moments like last night's conversation with my five-year-old

01:25:29.960 four-year-old but a lot of times they won't get it because they're five they're four but over time

01:25:34.500 uh your kids will uh they will thank you they will um and they will feel more loved by you uh

01:25:41.100 by you prioritizing their mother and uh and they'll definitely feel more stable and secure

01:25:47.040 okay uh we've got a couple others thanks bible journey for tuning in uh acts of boniface super

01:25:54.160 chat five dollars acts of boniface thanks so much we appreciate the generosity he says or she says

01:25:59.560 i'm not sure probably he uh can't wait to see isn't typically uh a feminine tool it sounds

01:26:04.380 masculine uh but never know these days uh can't wait to see you fellas in april at the conference

01:26:10.320 thankful for your ministry and all the work that you gentlemen do thank you acts of boniface we

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01:27:51.080 Thanks for that. And then Nathan, you were highlighting something you wanted me to read.

01:27:54.300 i've got this one pulled up christ's slave asked question where can i find the biblical precedent

01:27:58.240 for the three generations rulership yes you would find that in deuteronomy 23 verse 8 through 9

01:28:04.640 uh seven read it thou shalt not abhor an edomite for he is thy brother thou shalt not abhor an

01:28:12.260 egyptian because thou wast a stranger in his land the children that are begotten of them shall enter

01:28:17.160 into the congregation of the lord in their third generation thou shalt not abhor an edomite

01:28:23.420 hardest hit for uh some of the guys to our right yep and then um for the 10th generations we 0.64

01:28:33.000 mentioned that yeah a bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the lord even to his 0.89

01:28:37.340 10th generation shall he not enter the congregation of lord an ammonite or a moabite shall not enter 0.98

01:28:42.340 in the congregation of lord even to the 10th generation shall they not enter to the congregation

01:28:46.340 of lord forever because they met you not with bread and water in the way those are verses two

01:28:50.160 three and four in deuteronomy 23 and it's it's worth mentioning too so egypt to israel we're not

01:28:55.980 talking about uh ireland and india that you know like three generations are your brothers we're

01:29:01.440 talking about people that lived like rhode island to north carolina right if even that like hey it

01:29:06.620 still takes three generations before they can fully participate in the worship and everything

01:29:10.760 like that like the fact that you know people always thought jesus was a refugee and so we 0.98

01:29:14.900 should let you know illegal immigrants come by the millions from the third world you know without 0.89

01:29:18.600 any mitigating mechanism whatsoever which is um ridiculous oh i'm sorry well real quick i was 0.88

01:29:25.600 just ridiculous but what i was gonna say is egypt at the time they're like well jesus was a refugee 0.93

01:29:30.320 they're talking about when he was fleeing from herod because herod was going to kill all you

01:29:33.780 know the young boys in bethlehem you know because he had heard from the magi you know the wise men

01:29:38.640 that a king was born it was a jesus birth herod was right in the sense that you recognize it's

01:29:43.560 not just jesus meek and mild and a spiritual reality spiritual messiah but the gospel has

01:29:49.700 kingdom and political implications jesus was not just messiah nothing less than that but more he

01:29:55.280 was also king and it threatened the kings of this world and so herod tried to kill him and so his

01:29:59.820 parents mary and joseph they fled to egypt and people say you know they'll use that as a basis

01:30:03.760 for why you know every every single refugee should be welcomed into america you can't have borders

01:30:09.260 yeah um egypt was a part of the roman empire at the time and so all that back to what west was

01:30:14.100 saying so number one um they they were not immigrants to egypt they weren't crossing over

01:30:19.900 a national border they weren't and they weren't certainly weren't doing it illegally they were

01:30:24.160 going to a another province at the time underneath the roman empire of which they lived as

01:30:30.880 if not citizens i don't know if joseph and mary had you know but subjects residents of

01:30:37.440 the roman empire you know subjects residents in good standing and so they went to just simply

01:30:42.140 another providence uh so it would be not just geographically i say this to make your point

01:30:45.940 it wouldn't just be the equivalent of you know kansas and rhode rhode island uh geographically

01:30:50.660 but it would also be similar to kansas and rhode island even in terms of of culturally nationally

01:30:56.440 and politically um so you're not talking about um india to great britain you're not talking about

01:31:04.920 you know uh you're not talking about that that's not uh what we see in the bible so this you know

01:31:09.900 third generation and those who were 10th generation it was because of historic grievance

01:31:14.500 that was um that was wicked in the sight of god um that some other nation if even it's kind of

01:31:22.000 forever but in the hebrew language that 10 is kind of the limit it goes up to so it's like not

01:31:26.540 even to the 10 generations in other words so you could even argue never that there were some people

01:31:30.900 who could never be citizens because they were incompatible with egypt or at least could not

01:31:35.640 at depending how you interpret it they had severely abused them they had abused and and god

01:31:41.660 remembered the history it's like well they didn't do this this is a new people you know but no but

01:31:46.860 um your ancestors your fathers treated my people god speaking my people uh poorly in a time of

01:31:54.160 their need and so what's the general equity of that well there would be countries uh that you

01:31:58.840 could argue that um it's like no um you you were enemies of um of america in in its time of need

01:32:09.460 you did not come right um you you could i don't know i don't know what the exact i don't i'm

01:32:14.440 hesitant to apply you know get super specific but it could be that like america you know in in this

01:32:19.400 particular war reached out and asked for an alliance with so and so like would you please

01:32:23.220 help us and come to our aid um because notice it's not uh egypt enslaved israel right they

01:32:29.120 enslaved them like three generations for egypt they enslaved israel and three generations for

01:32:34.420 them uh but then these other groups of people who did not meet israel when they were on the run

01:32:39.560 and needed water wasn't it partly though that they had a more distant blood relation to israel like

01:32:44.800 they actually should have been treating them like kinsmen um is that i forget the i i think part of

01:32:51.120 It was they had a natural duty to Israel that they abandoned.

01:32:53.500 Yep. 1.00

01:32:54.440 I think so.

01:32:55.140 Some people will just point out that Leviticus 19 says this,

01:33:00.260 when a foreigner resides with you in your land, you must not oppress him.

01:33:03.220 You must treat the foreigner living among you as a native born and love him as yourself. 0.99

01:33:07.260 For you were foreigners in the land of Egypt.

01:33:09.360 I am the Lord your God.

01:33:10.200 And the point here is when foreigners did come into Israel, they couldn't be mistreated.

01:33:14.940 Right.

01:33:15.080 Like there was an equal protection of law.

01:33:17.820 They couldn't take advantage,

01:33:19.180 because it goes on to them and says,

01:33:20.780 use equal weights and measures with them.

01:33:22.160 You couldn't go to them and cheat them out of money.

01:33:25.040 But you could still charge them usery.

01:33:26.340 That's what's interesting.

01:33:26.980 That's a different category, but you're right.

01:33:29.260 The point is, what God was saying there,

01:33:31.920 and then this actually is what Jesus is referencing

01:33:35.080 when he says, love your neighbor as yourself.

01:33:37.540 He's saying, treat your neighbor,

01:33:39.700 even the one who's there from a different country,

01:33:41.460 the way you would want to be treated.

01:33:42.800 Have an equal law.

01:33:44.060 don't don't um legalize don't legalize the exploitation of them or the mistreatment of them

01:33:51.500 just because they're foreign but all people who wanted to join israel formally had the the males

01:33:58.160 had to be circumcised and then full integration into the the nation was three generations and

01:34:03.260 sometimes at minimum to the nine to nine or ten which the general equity could be like canada 0.87

01:34:07.540 today people immigrating from canada in three generations right again it's valid it's legal

01:34:12.200 all of that perhaps in three three generations you maintain full citizenship and the right to vote

01:34:16.320 and then others 10 generations it's like someone pointed out you do 40 years that's 400 years so

01:34:22.140 there are a few people if you're truly from an incompatible people you're looking at 400 years

01:34:25.920 possibly before full integration using those principles of general equity and those are all

01:34:30.140 yeah those are all the specific kind of you know uh elements of of the equation but but the big

01:34:35.760 picture the big general picture 30 000 foot few is this um if we believe the bible is god's word

01:34:41.740 and that and that these truths are timeless right it's not not timeless in the sense that

01:34:48.020 it's a one-to-one ratio like well israelites you know god said they can't have shellfish

01:34:52.940 you know like i'm not saying it's a one-to-one ratio but the general equity the general

01:34:57.960 principles moral principles behind it if we say god is the same today uh you know yesterday today

01:35:03.840 and forevermore behold i am the lord i changeth not um all these things and and that god's wisdom

01:35:08.940 is immutable unchangeable um then there is a general principle there that we should glean

01:35:14.460 from and here's the big idea the big idea is that um peoples do change over time assimilation is

01:35:22.700 possible over time immigration legal immigration is possible over time um but it seems as though

01:35:30.360 the common theme is that it's slow way slower that's what we're talking about is like what we

01:35:36.460 have been we have been on a crash course what we've been doing in western nations is saying you 0.99

01:35:43.300 know what by the millions people from foreign nations that are wholly incompatible with our

01:35:50.780 way of life with our religion with our culture you can come not just a few but by the millions 1.00

01:35:56.000 and achieve citizenship full citizenship very quickly say well it took me 15 years

01:36:02.540 very quickly that is very quickly we're talking about in biblical times 400 years in some cases

01:36:09.800 and 120 on the fast track the third generation 40 years for a generation border state 120 years

01:36:17.020 yep yeah canada 120 years and that's quick and i've said this before i am not a native of texas

01:36:22.280 i shouldn't be allowed to vote in texas elections i was not born here maybe my children maybe even

01:36:26.960 my grandchildren that would be how a sensible state would operate you don't have land here

01:36:31.440 your posterity hasn't been raised here you didn't grow up here you can't just come in here and begin

01:36:36.360 to vote for the same policies that you left new jersey or california or you know new york from

01:36:40.100 and i would say that as someone that would lose his right to vote in texas because that's what

01:36:44.200 would be better for texas on the whole yep real quick somebody uh nitten surin says which cabinet

01:36:51.660 would you rather have joe biden blinken anthony blinken uh scores of other white male dudes

01:36:59.440 To be fair, Blinken is Jewish, but we get the point.

01:37:02.180 Or Trump, Hegseth, Tulsi, Cash, Patel, RFK.

01:37:08.920 You must not be listening.

01:37:10.860 Trump.

01:37:11.840 That's what we'd rather have.

01:37:12.960 Absolutely.

01:37:13.800 100%.

01:37:14.160 That's what people struggle so hard to have, is the idealistic and a vision of where you're going, but also working with where you're at.

01:37:20.760 Some people can only work with where you're at.

01:37:22.200 They're like, this is just how it is.

01:37:23.840 You're never going to get change.

01:37:24.960 You're never going to abolish abortion.

01:37:26.080 You're never going to acquire public confession of the Christian faith for office. 0.99

01:37:31.040 They're just stuck in how the way things are. 1.00

01:37:32.900 Then there's other people that it's like, this is the way things should be, and I won't

01:37:35.480 accept anything less than that.

01:37:37.060 But a good, efficient politician, and I come down in my time in my life, know a lot of

01:37:41.220 them, is able to hold both.

01:37:43.160 This is where we're going, and I cannot sacrifice the good that's actually being done.

01:37:46.520 So 100% the Trump administration.

01:37:48.880 Yep.

01:37:49.800 Real quick, super chat.

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01:37:54.960 He says, love the content, guys, longtime fan, but this year has been excellent.

01:38:00.680 What do you think the short-term solution to demon gods being sworn by in the U.S.?

01:38:06.760 What's the short-term solution?

01:38:08.660 Any thoughts?

01:38:10.120 Define short-term, first of all.

01:38:12.520 Right.

01:38:13.220 120 years.

01:38:13.840 We're not doing anything about it now.

01:38:15.500 Cashmere tells the FBI director.

01:38:17.080 Yep.

01:38:18.140 I think, so this happened in the Texas House.

01:38:20.580 a representative for the second straight session in the house swore in on a copy of the quran

01:38:25.740 um i think you do what people did which is point it out and make people aware of it there are

01:38:32.040 millions and millions of god-fearing southern baptist salt of the earth christians in texas

01:38:36.240 that would be amazed shocked and angry that someone's swearing in on the quran another

01:38:42.480 man proposed to his husband on the floor to being sworn in and as much as you can get that in front

01:38:49.400 of people do you see what's happening in your house of representatives right do you see what's

01:38:52.980 happening at your state capitol call your representative calling your attorney general

01:38:57.580 pushing going to your legislative meeting them hey here's could we not have this could we require

01:39:03.040 as a small step a short-term small step uh to swear on the bible or nothing at all for instance

01:39:08.440 that is a great starting point winning the incremental battles uh at a level like you

01:39:13.400 actually can be at the town level the local level the state level probably winning those is

01:39:18.980 all going to happen way before certainly some revision of the constitution or even national

01:39:24.480 momentum to make it a thing yeah and a lot of things it's it's both and you know like politics

01:39:28.340 is downstream of culture and culture is downstream of politics right the law is a tutor it shapes the

01:39:34.200 cultists the people uh but also at the same time you know there's you can exercise power in both

01:39:39.940 ways right the left you know they they exercised every bit and they did it you know unconstitutionally

01:39:45.360 but every bit of political power that they could you know they levied right it was it was lawfare

01:39:50.260 you know like you know using you know the the apparatus of all the courts and judicial system

01:39:55.860 against trump and against you know any conservative in america and trying to ruin them in a legal

01:40:00.560 sense but also um you can apply a ton of pressure without there necessarily being a law and so in

01:40:07.720 the meantime as you're working to legislate um culturally like texas can just as a culture get

01:40:14.780 enough people on board and say no we don't want people swearing on the quran right no and you just

01:40:21.940 you can put enough cultural pressure to where guys will put forward a different candidate and

01:40:27.620 for the record it's a false dichotomy like i understand the question um from uh scroll up

01:40:32.820 nathan the guy that i read just a second ago no not there no no no no um it was one of the guys

01:40:38.660 who's yeah yeah right there uh nitin saran yeah and i've never seen him before i assume he's new

01:40:43.280 i understand the question um but um i i just i reject that dichotomy that it's uh it's either

01:40:50.920 you know uh catholic joe biden like joe biden is joe biden is catholic in the same way that i'm a

01:40:59.300 professional athlete you know that is to say he's not you know but but i understand that you know

01:41:05.660 like in in words you know it's like you got you know biden biden's in the pelosis you know like

01:41:11.240 catholics um and him saying what would you rather have that or would you rather have cash you know

01:41:16.040 you know swearing you know to a hindu sacred text um i'd rather have cash and trump 100 percent

01:41:22.480 however could we just admit that that by god's grace we could work towards a day when maybe

01:41:28.600 those wouldn't be the only two options godless democrat you know catholic and word only

01:41:35.840 you know administration versus trump that's in many ways very christian very christian but then

01:41:44.120 also has hari krishna prayers you know at the rnc and you know whatever i i just i i refuse to

01:41:52.980 believe these are the only two options now at the same time i understand politics enough the world

01:41:59.860 of the political enough uh that they actually were the only two viable options for the presidential

01:42:05.320 race in 2024 which is why i picked the better the better one well there's another thing going on

01:42:10.580 behind the scenes too and that is i think trump is aware that india could be a potential ally

01:42:18.460 to help offset if russia and china really formalize something and so i think he's also

01:42:25.820 doing it like that to the to the prayers at the rnc i think there's a sense i would disagree with

01:42:31.380 it obviously but where he's saying okay well we need to find some friends because we might be out

01:42:35.800 in the cold if russia and trying to get their act together and form something and i i just think he's

01:42:41.760 he's trying to be a deal maker and say look we are open to alliances yeah that's true speaking of

01:42:49.260 trump i can hit this one really quick from neville did y'all criticize trump for not swearing on the

01:42:53.240 bible so what trump did melania was holding a bible from abraham lincoln two bibles two bible

01:42:57.820 or a Bible from Abraham Lincoln

01:42:58.940 and a Bible that he got from his mother

01:43:00.380 and his hand was simply at his side

01:43:02.060 when he took the oath.

01:43:03.160 I didn't publicly criticize it, but...

01:43:04.620 I think it was a mistake.

01:43:05.960 I don't think he meant to do it.

01:43:07.380 Yeah, it was either a mistake

01:43:08.360 or something like that.

01:43:09.620 But we didn't criticize

01:43:10.920 and the point is

01:43:12.100 there's a huge difference.

01:43:13.640 Hindu scripture

01:43:14.240 that should have never been in that room. 1.00

01:43:15.700 There's a difference in your wife 1.00

01:43:15.900 holding two Bibles right next to you. 0.57

01:43:18.140 And you forgot to put it.

01:43:18.700 She was actually coming up behind him.

01:43:20.820 Right.

01:43:21.240 And Robert started the oath.

01:43:22.780 That's the problem, yeah.

01:43:23.520 Right?

01:43:23.760 And so like he...

01:43:24.960 Dang it, Robert.

01:43:25.740 It's 35 words.

01:43:26.380 and it was over so there's a difference in that versus i am consciously intentionally putting my

01:43:32.100 hand on a hindu text that's that's different so all right any um yes other questions

01:43:39.500 truttle okay question truttle uh haven't why haven't the chickens come home to roost in the

01:43:47.180 more formally christian european countries too doesn't this speak to the problem with the piece

01:43:51.560 of paper constitutionalism yep that's absolutely correct and that's why the the english protestant

01:43:57.100 stock of america even though in in word in name they were less christian than ireland and canada

01:44:02.840 and all these different things for that matter or hawaii hawaii's constitution was based it was

01:44:07.800 it was but again it was the european countries that destroyed that because they insisted that

01:44:14.160 hawaii abandon its um constitution because they wanted to employ people to work on sundays for

01:44:19.360 their geological expeditions and france wanted to import wine that's a classic french move i'll

01:44:24.740 tell you that right now yeah hang on you're telling me the french apostatize and the english

01:44:28.420 united states is better hang on well it was the u.s who pushed the sabbath laws to be abandoned

01:44:33.620 in hawaii because they wanted their geological service he makes a great point because like england

01:44:37.360 formally is much more religious they have a state church they have i mean the head of the church

01:44:42.180 being the king all those things we already talked about right and yet culturally there's so much less

01:44:47.120 so and it goes to show like the trappings of it matter the words you say matter the parable

01:44:51.920 but you know what also matters the son who goes and does it right and that's what america's story

01:44:57.240 has been to a greater degree than the others and i think america like there's something about the

01:45:03.120 american spirit that who who the type of person who would be willing to get on a rickety wooden

01:45:10.880 ship and sail across the ocean and like the pioneer the king to declare independence defy

01:45:17.400 yeah defy tyrants um you know sail you know risk limb and life you know to sail across the ocean a

01:45:24.320 pioneering spirit um all those kind of like the american heritage um the type of person i think

01:45:32.040 was like there's just there was something in that stock of people that um that was deeply profoundly

01:45:39.780 principled the tokeville talks about that that they would go out the other traders the other

01:45:44.340 shipsmen wouldn't go out but then the americans would ride out in the storm and they would have

01:45:48.280 more wrecks but they would also get back quicker and everything because they were just more

01:45:51.580 courageous they were willing to confront their fear like yeah it's just that's part of our people

01:45:56.260 yeah right okay well that's all folks i think that's uh that's a wrap thanks for tuning in

01:46:03.900 um go check out our patreon go to right yeah let's let's do it uh so wednesday is going to be

01:46:10.980 and this uh it's not a great moment for me because um i'm not exactly sure how to pronounce

01:46:18.220 this last name i think it's fredis this is the funny thing though i it's nick and everyone's like

01:46:25.340 Fuentes no it's uh it's Nick Freitas I think maybe it's Freitas maybe it's Freitas um but I've seen

01:46:35.400 a few clips from so I'm not super familiar but I've seen a few clips from him on and Wes has

01:46:40.040 seen a good amount a lot of stuff on masculinity yeah it's really good really good stuff on

01:46:46.020 masculinity um that we need men to be men again and um and so anyway so I've seen some things go

01:46:52.340 bio from him that i thought were really good so i just thought you know what i'll give it a shot

01:46:56.260 right he's got a pretty massive following um but i thought i bet we could get him and uh and so we

01:47:01.720 reached out and he was like yeah sure i'd love to come on because because we that's you know we we

01:47:06.280 have you know pretty broad uh you know swath of topics and subjects that we address but uh we've

01:47:13.020 got a few fan favorites that that we you know are very convicted of that we hit again and again and

01:47:17.900 again and masculinity is certainly one of them so that's wednesday so uh nick fritas or freightas

01:47:23.840 we're gonna go with freightas i'll find out nick freightas we'll we'll find out okay michael found

01:47:27.460 that find out before wednesday so we don't you know to his face offend him um but he's gonna be

01:47:32.180 coming on the show we're excited about that uh so that's gonna be wednesday at 3 p.m central

01:47:35.900 and then friday uh we have uh jd hall jd hall from uh way back in the day pulpit and pen

01:47:43.680 now protestia um he's doing some articles for them and then he's got his own sub stack and

01:47:49.220 doing a lot of stuff independently um and you know jd hall was very you know clear with me when i

01:47:55.320 asked him he didn't ask me i asked him hey i i think you've got some really insightful pieces

01:48:00.000 i've read some of your articles he's a fantastic writer and i think you've got some some really

01:48:05.500 good things to say i am inviting you to come on the show and uh and he just asked me to make it

01:48:10.960 clear that this is not him formally coming back into ministry or anything like that. He's been

01:48:17.360 just working a day job, doesn't have any plans or desire to be a pastor again. He's just loving his

01:48:25.200 family, loving his wife, loving his kids, loving his chickens on his homestead and working in

01:48:31.740 finance. But he's a Christian and he loves the Lord and he's got a sharp mind and he's writing

01:48:38.700 some things from a christian perspective profoundly christian to the culture to politics

01:48:44.280 and it's insightful and uh being a ordained pastor is not uh is not a requirement for coming on the

01:48:52.500 podcast so uh jd hall is coming on friday we're honored to have him so we've got nick freitas

01:48:57.260 on um on wednesday jd hall on friday and i was going to say watch the israel series and you can

01:49:04.240 watch the the christian nationalism series people a lot of questions like well how would you even

01:49:08.040 make this work, and how it seems like we're too far gone, and is it even possible, it's just a

01:49:12.300 pipe dream, you know, that you're going to have a Christian nation, and this, that, and the other.

01:49:15.900 Well, I did a 10-part series on that with someone a lot more qualified to talk about it than me. I

01:49:21.880 mean, to be, you know, to be fair, I did write a statement on Christian nationalism, you know,

01:49:27.460 I co-wrote it, I helped, but, you know, so I've got the statement on Christian nationalism and

01:49:31.920 the gospel with a few other authors and contributors, but there's another guy who

01:49:36.340 wrote a 400 page book the case for christian nationalism and since writing that book over

01:49:42.500 two years ago has been thinking about uh not just the case for it but how to apply it how to execute

01:49:47.880 christian nationalism and that is our friend dr stephen wolf um and right now for our patreon

01:49:53.960 members that the stephen wolf thing is going to come out publicly but it's not even going to start

01:49:58.560 coming out until april and you won't get all the episodes until i think june so uh but you can

01:50:05.780 watch all of it, all 10 parts of our entire series with Dr. Stephen Wolf on Christian

01:50:10.880 nationalism, all 10 parts ad-free right now on Patreon. And you can also watch ad-free

01:50:16.600 all nine parts of the series on Israel, how we should be thinking about Israel, and that 0.64

01:50:22.900 no, we do not need to be sending your old ladies sending their fixed income checks to

01:50:29.420 Israel so that they'll be blessed by God. Spoiler, that's not our position. And we 0.99

01:50:35.120 also don't think that our sons and because our nation is pretty wicked daughters should be 1.00

01:50:40.300 drafted into world war three because of israel and and constantly coming to their aids and we 0.99

01:50:45.340 definitely don't think that we should have all the foreign influence that we currently have

01:50:49.420 where like thomas massey himself said that he was one of the only guys if not the only guy that

01:50:53.820 didn't have an apac handler um some israeli citizen you know who's coming in and every time

01:51:01.540 you know, a decision in America is going to be made coming like, Hey, I'm going to take you out

01:51:05.100 to dinner and set you straight and make sure that, you know, that Bibby gets his way. So

01:51:09.340 whole series on that. So nine part series on Israel, 10 part series on Christian nationalism,

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01:52:51.840 with nick uh nick freitas talking about biblical masculinity and on friday uh with jd hall uh we're

01:52:57.960 going to be talking about um well we're going to be talking about uh institutional gatekeeping

01:53:03.720 and especially the reformed gatekeepers and uh and why they have no power here all right thanks for

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The NXR Podcast - February 24, 2025

THE LIVESTREAM - Kash Patel’s American Dream

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