The NXR Podcast - THE LIVESTREAM - Low-T Pastors, Alistair Begg, & the Rise of Donald Trump

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00:00:23.480 five-star review on your favorite podcast platform thanks low-team ministers alistair beg and the

00:00:32.400 rise of donald trump while grace does not destroy nature plummeting testosterone levels in men

00:00:38.400 in the west especially in ministers are rapidly leaving little nature left for grace to actually

00:00:45.100 restore in stark contrast to the effeminacy common in evangelical men many emerging right-wing

00:00:51.860 figureheads despite being unregenerate are calling out our societal decay with clarity

00:00:58.060 courage and conviction that is sorely lacking from most christian leaders the nomination of

00:01:04.040 donald trump for the third consecutive presidential election confirms that this assertive masculine

00:01:09.900 style deeply resonates with his conservative audience that they are desperate for strong

00:01:16.300 leadership? Will evangelicals find their spine, or will they remain content with safe,

00:01:22.080 soft-spoken men, in this case, such as Alistair Begg? That's the framework for today's episode.

00:01:27.980 Tune in now.

00:01:33.440 All right, let's go ahead and dive right in. So here's the lowdown. Testosterone in men,

00:01:42.540 on average, so not every single man, but on average has been declining for decades. You can

00:01:48.060 see in the graph on the screen, it started in the 60s, really accelerated in the 90s. But the

00:01:53.100 average level in most men has been going down. Now there's a number of factors to this. There's

00:01:57.820 a variety. It's not just one single thing. One of them would be sedentary workplaces. Men aren't

00:02:02.880 working outside generally anymore, which that's somewhat benign. That could be good. That could

00:02:07.020 be bad. But there are other more insidious factors, a highly processed diet, the proliferation

00:02:12.340 of digital perversion that has most men wasting their days away in their mom's basement. Some

00:02:18.080 other factors that we could think are a little bit more nefarious. But on the whole, men are on

00:02:22.880 the decline. Masculinity has been branded toxic. We've heard all about smash the patriarchy. And

00:02:28.480 so there's a real crisis, a real lack of men. Aristotle, he once said of ancient Sparta that

00:02:34.020 the lack of men was the ruin. A lot of women held really high up positions. They held all the

00:02:38.420 property, and the state really didn't have actual any defense, and Sparta is no longer around today.

00:02:43.700 So there's a crisis of men in the West. Now, maybe you would say, well, Christians, because we have

00:02:48.000 bodies that have been sanctified by the Lord, that we take care of our bodies, they're a temple of

00:02:53.160 the Holy Spirit. Well, Christians haven't been a part of this trend, right? If you believe that,

00:02:57.740 well, I have some oceanfront property in Kansas City to sell you. At a great price, call immediately.

00:03:02.580 No, Christians have been, by and large, guilty of this same thing. A 1990 study showed that

00:03:08.420 ministers, compared to seven other occupations, had the lowest average testosterone. Again,

00:03:14.020 the way averages work, that doesn't mean every single pastor. If your pastor's Reformed Baptist,

00:03:17.980 it's probably high. If it's PCUSA, your pastor's probably a woman, so that might be the factor

00:03:22.860 there. But generally speaking, ministers actually have low testosterone. Yes, so say that again.

00:03:28.180 There was a 19... When was the study done? 1990 study of... Of seven different vocations,

00:03:33.100 and out of those vocations listed, pastors were the lowest testosterone.

00:03:37.720 ministers were the lowest level. There was a couple different. It's a smaller sample size.

00:03:41.500 I do research for a living. Sample size was smaller, but they pulled multiple samples,

00:03:45.220 compared some to veterans, some to not, consistently across the board. And to be

00:03:50.020 fair, ministers have a more sedentary job. Generally speaking, the pastoral ministry

00:03:53.520 is more laid back in some senses, but it was the lowest. Why does all this matter? Okay,

00:03:59.900 testosterone's low, so maybe people don't sleep as well. What's the big deal?

00:04:03.660 God has fashioned nature such that strong men, they're really the bulwark, and we're talking

00:04:09.320 about significant bulwarks. They are the barrier against tyranny. Any tyrant who would take over

00:04:14.420 a people, who would ravage them, who would take someone's land, who would put them in captivity,

00:04:19.380 they have to go through the men of that nation. Men are the ones that protect. Men are the ones

00:04:24.280 that stand strong. And their leaders are the ones that animate the will of those men to defend their

00:04:29.160 land to defend their wives, to defend their families, defend their children. So we look

00:04:33.000 at the West and everything that's going on, and we also look and we see that the level of

00:04:37.120 testosterone, the hormone that really God has made to mediate strength and drive and focus

00:04:43.380 and ambition and energy, and we see that declining, and we see the decline of the West. We see

00:04:49.220 perversion that would have never been thought thinkable 20 years ago, 30 years ago, on the

00:04:55.140 rise, decay in moral ethics, men exiting the job market, men just wasting their life away in their

00:05:00.760 mother's basement, the connection there is not too hard to make. Right. Absolutely. Let's go ahead

00:05:07.500 and we've got an image that we want to put up. Have we already done that? You already did it.

00:05:11.920 Oh, okay. I missed it. Okay. So with all that being said, you know, I think that the pastoral

00:05:19.000 ministry attracts... I don't think it makes low-T men. I think it attracts low-T men. So that's one

00:05:24.400 of the things that i wanted to say um and i've noticed this especially uh sadly like you you

00:05:29.400 would want to say oh well that maybe that's just a bunch of uh whatever i don't know like you know

00:05:34.920 joel osteen type churches you know false churches or whatever but i don't think it is i i've you

00:05:40.000 know i've got a lot of friends who are in ministry as i am and we all tend to agree we're all within

00:05:45.420 the reformed camp and we all tend to agree that um we think the reformed camp is not an exception

00:05:50.140 if anything, we would say especially Reformed churches attract low-T guys, guys who it's quite

00:05:56.840 obvious if they don't share it, you know, in a sermon illustration, you know, and just outright

00:06:02.440 admit it, it's quite obvious these guys were beat up on the playground when they were in school,

00:06:06.280 but they found, you know, a loophole to having, you know, achieving some position of influence

00:06:12.160 and authority and power, namely the pastorate, pastoral ministry, and they were brains on a

00:06:19.620 stick, right? And so they, you know, they were attracted to reform theology because

00:06:24.760 they weren't very manly in many ways, but they could read and regurgitate and memorize. And so

00:06:30.700 they could just, you know, it was their first time that they got to be the bully. It's the first time

00:06:34.040 that they got to exercise some degree of strength, not physically, but with, you know,

00:06:41.020 own them with facts and logic, you know, like who can quote Calvin the most and those kinds of

00:06:45.500 things. And so even when you look at just pictures of men within the reformed community, pictures of

00:06:51.580 notable pastors, it's like, yeah, like these guys, they just even physically, and I'm not trying to

00:06:59.400 throw shade or be disrespectful, but they look often like, yeah, this is a softer man. This is

00:07:07.040 a softer man. And I'm in that community. I am a pastor of a reformed church. So I'm part of that.

00:07:13.980 I'd like to think that I have higher testosterone levels

00:07:16.120 than a lot of the other guys that I'm speaking of,

00:07:17.800 but that's the headline of the story.

00:07:20.500 So all that being said,

00:07:22.000 how does that relate to part of the topic

00:07:24.220 that we wanna talk about today,

00:07:25.640 the recent absolute blunder of Alistair Begg?

00:07:30.300 Probably most of our listeners

00:07:31.880 are already aware of what happened,

00:07:33.500 but does anybody wanna just share

00:07:34.680 what went down with Alistair Begg?

00:07:37.960 Yeah, so a video surfaced recently,

00:07:42.180 but the video was from, um, September 17, 2023. So it actually, you know, it was this fall. So

00:07:49.060 he might be wondering what in the world, why is this happening now? Right. Uh, this was, uh,

00:07:53.200 Alistair Bagg, just on his regular, um, uh, syndicated program. And, uh, there was an

00:08:00.440 interview that, that he gave. And during that interview, um, the, the questioner asked something

00:08:08.060 about navigating culture and tricky topics.

00:08:11.620 And Alistair Mag just gave an example

00:08:13.840 of advice that he had given.

00:08:17.880 And the advice that he had given

00:08:19.520 was to an elderly lady who had a grandson.

00:08:22.720 And she had been invited to her grandson's wedding,

00:08:26.400 which, great.

00:08:27.620 The catch is that the wedding was,

00:08:29.560 I don't even know how this works.

00:08:30.780 The wedding was a trance wedding, whatever that means.

00:08:35.000 Okay, so the grandson was marrying someone.

00:08:37.120 anyway, the genders were fluid and the wedding was dubious. And so the woman had asked Alistair

00:08:44.900 Begg this question, and he said, does your grandson know that you're a Christian? And

00:08:52.280 does your grandson know that you are opposed to this lifestyle? You believe the Bible

00:08:57.580 does not affirm this lifestyle? And the grandmother said yes, okay? And then Alistair

00:09:02.660 Begg said that he actually then recommended to her that she attend the wedding,

00:09:07.120 And not only that, that she'd take a nice gift.

00:09:09.160 And his reasoning was, your kindness might shock and surprise your grandson, but your

00:09:17.120 rejection and, by implication, your cruelty or your sternness will not surprise your grandson.

00:09:24.560 That's exactly what your grandson is going to be expecting.

00:09:27.120 And so pull the reverse, uno reverse card on your grandson and surprise him with the

00:09:32.440 love of Christ, and that will have a tendency to get you farther in this relationship.

00:09:37.120 than not going to the quote-unquote wedding would have.

00:09:41.240 Right.

00:09:41.520 So with that, a couple of things.

00:09:43.380 First, this isn't a marriage by any objective standard,

00:09:48.000 certainly by the highest and ultimate standard of the Word of God.

00:09:51.880 Doug Wilson has said gay mirage, whatever.

00:09:54.600 And I don't even know the genders in the wedding.

00:09:56.620 So if it was a dude who's wearing a dress, getting married to a woman,

00:10:01.880 then it's still a problem because he's pretending to enter into a lesbian marriage

00:10:06.840 which actually in that case, it's a dude and a woman.

00:10:09.900 But if it's, you know, two women, biological women, you know,

00:10:13.640 and one has transitioned, even if they've transitioned medically,

00:10:18.040 then again, that's a gay wedding.

00:10:19.820 It's a homosexual wedding, lesbian wedding.

00:10:22.060 So in any case, no matter how you slice it, it's a problem.

00:10:26.380 And this is one thing that Christians need to understand.

00:10:27.960 So first, to not overly beat up Alistair Begg, massive blunder, massive mistake.

00:10:34.620 But this is something that happened years ago.

00:10:36.840 A lot of guys were thinking poorly years ago.

00:10:41.200 The Lord and his providence has been merciful to wake a lot of us up, including myself, over the past few years.

00:10:47.840 I see things with much more clarity than I did in 2000, you said 15?

00:10:52.740 No, no, no.

00:10:53.060 This was this year.

00:10:54.060 Oh, my goodness.

00:10:54.700 Never mind.

00:10:55.120 It was 2023.

00:10:56.900 Then Alistair Beck sucks.

00:10:58.360 He's just absolutely—yeah.

00:10:59.300 Okay, so I take everything back.

00:11:01.620 So I can't defend him that much.

00:11:02.860 though. Just not long ago, he gave a sermon strongly opposing gay marriage.

00:11:08.360 Right. So he's opposed to it, but this is where he failed. Okay. So nevermind. So I was going to

00:11:12.040 try to say, well, this was years ago. So he needs to come out publicly. Even if it was years ago,

00:11:18.160 it's going by. He needs to come out publicly and address it. And publicly, what he needs to do is

00:11:23.180 he doesn't need to provide clarity. He doesn't need to provide explanations. He needs to publicly

00:11:28.020 come out and repent and say that was wrong. And this is why. So this is important for people to

00:11:31.700 understand um the reason why that's objectively wrong there's no question there's no uh multiple

00:11:35.800 well there could be multiple opinions nope there's no uh there's only one right opinion this is why

00:11:40.140 for no other reason this is why by going to a wedding you are this is how weddings function

00:11:45.720 this is this is the christian view and even the the secular view for 100 hundreds of years um

00:11:52.000 attending a wedding makes you as a wedding attendant you are bearing witness to the union

00:11:58.960 the covenant of holy matrimony that's taking place. And this is why traditionally for hundreds

00:12:03.940 and hundreds of years, there would be a part of the wedding liturgy. It was a wedding ceremony.

00:12:08.800 It was a Christian ceremony. There would be a portion of the wedding liturgy that would say,

00:12:14.640 if anyone here objects to these two people being joined together in holy matrimony, speak now or

00:12:21.600 forever hold your peace. If you attend a wedding, that's how a wedding works. The congregants,

00:12:26.160 they're not just passive spectators they are giving their consent they are bearing witness to

00:12:32.160 the forming of a covenant union so so the whole point that alistair beg misses with this there's

00:12:37.120 a lot of things he misses but this is the biggest one is he's saying uh privately voice your

00:12:41.480 disapproval but then publicly give your legal and and spiritual and public approval because your

00:12:49.320 attendance if you don't say a word if you don't say i approve of this wedding uh publicly on the

00:12:55.600 wedding day, during the ceremony, it doesn't matter. Your silent presence as a wedding

00:13:01.900 attendant is bearing witness and approving of the marriage. So you have two options. You don't

00:13:08.000 attend, or you attend, and when they say, speak now forever, hold your peace, you stand up and

00:13:13.380 you object to it as an abomination that God hates, and you plead with everyone there to repent of

00:13:19.740 their sin those are your two options you don't attend or you attend and you oppose publicly

00:13:26.100 outspokenly verbally oppose silence attendance is approval and i'm not just saying silence uh to be

00:13:33.560 silent you know the uh evil men succeed you know because uh you know uh good men do nothing i'm not

00:13:39.800 just saying that no in a wedding ceremony there is that that's that is that's a principle that's

00:13:44.020 true in a general sense but at a wedding it's even it's far more than that you literally as

00:13:49.660 an attendant of the wedding are bearing witness giving your um your collective corporate authority

00:13:56.460 um bearing witness and and affirming the union of that covenant that's what a wedding attendant is

00:14:03.140 doing and and so um and and the reason why i say this is such a blunder for alistair beg

00:14:08.020 is because i'm thinking how many weddings has he officiated yeah as a christian minister yeah

00:14:12.380 so so i understand if this was just so it's not just his position that he should theologically

00:14:16.880 know better as a minister of the gospel. But also I'm thinking like if your basic Christian

00:14:22.820 went to a wedding and did exactly what he recommended, so they voiced their private

00:14:27.400 disapproval, but then silently went to a wedding and bought them a gift. That's what he suggested.

00:14:31.180 And I would also suggest you buy them a gift. Your average Christian may not have a robust

00:14:35.740 Christian theology of weddings and of a marriage ceremony, a wedding ceremony, and what an

00:14:42.340 attendant is actually doing by being present and bearing witness and giving their very presence is

00:14:48.040 giving consent to the union, the covenant union of that marriage. I wouldn't be shocked if a lot

00:14:53.640 of Christians were unaware of that, and they didn't know the Christian tradition of marriage

00:14:59.880 and wedding ceremonies and wedding liturgies and how that theologically plays out with the covenant

00:15:04.800 and giving consent by your mere presence. Alistair Begg knows that. He can't not know that.

00:15:10.680 like very often you know don't don't don't attribute you know malice to what can easily

00:15:15.020 be explained by stupidity um unfortunately i would love for for the title of this episode to

00:15:20.180 be alistair beggars stupid but but i i can't i can't do that i know he's not stupid i know that

00:15:28.080 he is officiated by this point probably dozens of weddings yeah uh theologically he is very sound

00:15:35.300 in in every other aspect that i've seen he has to know there's no way he doesn't know

00:15:40.480 that the theological premise of attending a wedding is that you are attending the wedding

00:15:44.700 even if you're silent even if you don't say i approve out loud your your mere attendance and

00:15:50.660 presence is as a witness who is bearing witness to the covenant giving your consent ministers of

00:15:57.160 the gospel know that certainly world-renowned impressive ministers of the gospel such as

00:16:02.560 alistair beck and then if that wasn't already enough to then counsel thousands of other

00:16:09.660 christians with with terrible advice um with someone who should know better and i think does

00:16:15.540 know better uh is a massive problem it's so shocking to me that he used it was almost out

00:16:20.460 of like a script you wouldn't want to appear judgmental right what great man in all of

00:16:25.220 history which of the great biblical patriarchs would not have been called judgmental this that

00:16:29.660 or the other by thousands of people did paul when he was writing his letter to first corinthians of

00:16:33.940 the man sleeping with his stepmom he goes to writing he's like oh i wouldn't want to appear

00:16:37.600 closed-minded and judgmental and over it. No, he said, kick him out. Paul says, Ephesians 5.11,

00:16:44.680 take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but expose them. Like, this isn't just like you

00:16:49.220 were doing your taxes one year and like, oh, I really messed that up. I got the column switched

00:16:52.360 around. If you're saying it and you're whiffing it this bad, you've not known how to do taxes

00:16:57.100 for a while. Now, you should repent publicly. Not many of you should be teachers because that

00:17:01.200 bad advice went not just to a friend, but to thousands. Hopefully they rejected it.

00:17:05.680 but he should step back, repent, and say, I got this one wrong. This isn't what the Bible says.

00:17:11.360 This isn't what church history has taught. I'm sorry. And, you know, it makes me think that

00:17:15.740 that maybe we're speculating here, but maybe in his mind, the Institute of Marriage has passed

00:17:23.400 into a secular institute, right? Where you can go to a wedding. And given up. Yeah. Like it's no

00:17:29.560 longer what God has brought together. It is no longer the providence of God that binds these two

00:17:37.180 together. And if it's just a secular ceremony that a justice of the peace is performing, and that's

00:17:42.000 all that it is, then we've lost a whole lot at that point. We've lost a whole lot, because we're

00:17:48.900 giving up ground that God gave specifically—now, it's interesting, there is a role for the state

00:17:56.100 and the family and the church in marriage, I actually think—West and I were talking about

00:18:01.160 this a couple weeks ago—I think marriage is one of the nexus points that the three spheres of

00:18:06.540 sovereignty coalesce on. But to say, well, it's no longer such that a family has to affirm it and

00:18:13.520 a church has to recognize what God has done is completely abdicating the responsibility and the

00:18:22.040 duty that Christians and God have in a marriage.

00:18:25.460 How do you not have a gag reflex just attending that?

00:18:28.380 Like, how are you so far that you can sit there and you would at earliest advise not

00:18:32.720 to be stirred, not to be grieved, but to not find that disgusting?

00:18:36.600 It is unnatural.

00:18:37.820 Scripture teaches and nature teaches.

00:18:39.820 You don't even have to teach people to say, this is unnatural and weird and wrong.

00:18:44.640 Right.

00:18:45.180 Okay, we're going to cut to commercial in just a second.

00:18:47.260 When we come back, what I want to talk about is another study, and Wes will give us some

00:18:51.380 of the facts on this but um another study where uh it talks about testosterone levels in men and

00:18:56.820 how it affects their voting patterns um and that certain uh they did a study uh with um uh men a

00:19:03.580 group of men sample size and uh and as they increase the testosterone level of these men the

00:19:09.320 weakly affiliated uh democrats meaning that they weren't diehard democrats but they were they they

00:19:15.280 usually voted for a democrat candidate and they had some weak affiliation allegiance to the democrat

00:19:19.880 Party, those, when their testosterone was increased, a pretty sizable portion of those

00:19:26.700 individuals started voting Republican instead. And so we want to talk about that. Democrats can't

00:19:32.240 win without the 19th Amendment and also low-T men. Testosterone forbids you. I mean, literally,

00:19:39.240 men with testosterone don't vote for Democrats. They don't. And men are designed by God with

00:19:44.880 testosterone at the chemical level. There's the spiritual and theological and all that. But at

00:19:48.560 the chemical level, testosterone is in men for at least one purpose, to give them fortitude and

00:19:56.380 strength to protect others, to act, function as a bulwark against moral insanity that endangers

00:20:03.220 women and children. And so if those who are called to be protectors, number one, if you put a bunch

00:20:09.180 of people who aren't called to be protectors and give them authority, aka the 19th Amendment,

00:20:12.840 um that's already a problem so so you already took uh you basically you cut your protectors

00:20:18.160 in half not by saying only half of the men can vote but by saying all the women can vote so

00:20:22.280 you've cut your protectors in half but then if you can take the half of the protectors that are

00:20:26.160 still think like protectors and chemically castrate them to where they no longer have a

00:20:31.360 protective instinct so now you just have women of both sexes male women and female women um you know

00:20:36.740 with the testosterone they're functioning as women thinking as women uh then what you have

00:20:41.380 is what we just talked about a few minutes ago with another video that we did. You have the

00:20:46.680 permission from the United States federal government for a full-blown invasion of our

00:20:51.080 southern border. You have suicidal leaders who don't care to protect their own posterity and

00:20:57.340 their own citizens. So that's what we're going to come back and deal with. But real quick,

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00:21:42.520 spread of choice all right well jumping back in we're talking about low-t pastors we're talking

00:22:00.540 about alistair beg the rise of donald trump for the record that commercial i think it increases

00:22:04.460 my testosterone by at least 10 every time i watch it i just get pumped up um so we're gonna jump

00:22:10.040 into a study this was a it was really pretty groundbreaking when it came out this is by

00:22:13.660 paul et al zach paul uh the title of it is if you want to google it not just take my word for it

00:22:18.860 testosterone administration induces a red shift in democrats so he took 136 healthy males

00:22:25.280 the decent sample size i work in research this is a good sample size they took strongly affiliated

00:22:30.520 democrats weekly affiliated democrats to weekly affiliated democrats when they administered first

00:22:36.640 of all they had higher testosterone 19 than strongly affiliated so you're going like gradations

00:22:41.560 here all the way up to republican just democrats that were weekly affiliated had higher almost 20

00:22:46.380 higher testosterone than strongly affiliated that tells you a lot on the first basis so you're saying

00:22:51.160 the guys who are weekly um uh convicted of like yeah i'm kind of a democrat already were 20 points

00:22:59.540 higher testosterone 20 guys i'm a diehard democrat yep weekly affiliated higher basal

00:23:04.480 testosterone i feel shocked than those strongly i'm not shocked statistically significant difference

00:23:08.320 too so when weekly affiliated democrats received additional testosterone so this would be exogenous

00:23:13.920 administered testosterone versus a placebo the strength of their party fell by 12 and they

00:23:19.340 reported 45 warmer feelings towards republican candidates for presidents our results demonstrate

00:23:24.880 that testosterone induces a red shift

00:23:27.000 among weakly affiliated

00:23:27.900 Democrats. This effect was

00:23:30.280 associated with improved mood.

00:23:33.340 No effects were found for administration

00:23:34.920 for strongly affiliated Democrats.

00:23:36.800 Too far gone.

00:23:39.780 But just

00:23:40.700 let that sink in for a minute.

00:23:43.020 That's crazy. Can you say it again?

00:23:45.000 Say it one more time for our listeners.

00:23:47.340 Testosterone administered to

00:23:48.680 weakly affiliated, as in

00:23:50.700 somewhat Democrat men,

00:23:52.720 increased their

00:23:53.880 feelings, their propensity to vote Republican by 19 to 45 percent. They felt almost 50 percent

00:24:00.400 warmer towards candidates for president. They just they got a little testosterone like, oh,

00:24:05.820 yeah, actually, that does make sense. Yeah, that's reasonable. Again, decent sample size,

00:24:10.320 peer review literature. This is not the back rooms of 2004 4chan. This is well studied.

00:24:16.680 Testosterone plays a factor in how you vote, how to be a man. Right. Real quick, let's I want to

00:24:22.100 deal with a couple of the comments the mollusk man back up uh nathan just a little bit right there

00:24:26.440 he said can you speak to the link between uh low testosterone crisis and our low quality

00:24:31.620 industrialized processed food culture does this topic parallel your upcoming talk with fat

00:24:36.260 about fat pastor so uh for those of you guys who are watching live in the chats or you listen to

00:24:40.840 this later uh what the mollusk man is uh addressing is um i've got a series with andrew isker and ad

00:24:47.340 Robles that is coming out each episode, um, a week, uh, with three, the first three episodes

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00:25:29.820 So the whole season, all nine episodes with A.D. Robles and Andrew Isker are out right now, including the fat episode.

00:25:34.720 But you're absolutely right, Mollusk Man, you nailed it.

00:25:37.980 There absolutely is a link.

00:25:39.500 and then i saw uh earlier on or a little bit later i think it was mollusk man again wheat

00:25:44.720 domestic domesticated mankind he's absolutely right the food pyramid right so if we you want

00:25:49.860 to talk about red pills you know and conspiracies and those kinds of things that is a proven i mean

00:25:54.260 scientifically proven uh psyop that uh that ran on the whole world especially uh these united states

00:26:00.680 uh the food pyramid is basically upside down i mean it was literally the the entire research was

00:26:05.760 uh a lie like like and and the exact opposite it's it's actually the uh the health advice that

00:26:11.580 you would want to give uh to a society if you wanted them um to die and and and if you also

00:26:17.580 wanted them to not have um any will any any um testosterone any strength or vigor or any of those

00:26:24.880 things um the idea of bread like i tell my wife this all that and i understand that that it's it's

00:26:30.340 it tastes good my wife she makes sourdough for like our whole neighborhood people are ordering

00:26:34.760 sourdough and she's i know every woman learned to make sourdough in 2020 with covid because we all

00:26:38.940 wanted to you know trad wives and it was cool and but my wife is she was she was already on the

00:26:44.100 train before she's good at it a lot of wives i'll just be honest your sourdough it's cute i you know

00:26:49.040 stick with it it's great that's a good hobby but my wife is killing it like people buy her sourdough

00:26:53.260 they'll pay money for it um and yet even that like i don't eat a whole lot of it you know i eat enough

00:26:58.460 to um to honor my wife you know i eat enough because i love my wife and she she does a great

00:27:05.480 job and and it is good but i don't want pasta i like like i remember you know like even to this

00:27:11.040 day you know guys will uh tease me you know like uh christian friends you know um if we're having

00:27:15.200 a guy's night or something like that and we're drinking a beer i don't want to drink beer um i'll

00:27:19.000 i'll have a little bit of bourbon or a little bit of whiskey and i'm not saying that's uh that that's

00:27:22.600 good but it's better a shot of bourbon sipped on you know over the night is going to be better than

00:27:27.020 drinking your your soy boy you know triple ipa ipas like ipas have estrogen moderation

00:27:35.040 yeah in moderation but but beer is so you have two forms of wheat right um you're eating pasta

00:27:42.640 which is a loaf of bread and then you're drinking a beer which is a liquid loaf of loaf of bread

00:27:47.400 right right um homer simpson uh his his physique and the fact that he sits and drinks beers there

00:27:53.040 is a connection. That's not, you know, that's not a coincidence. And it's not just that it makes you

00:27:57.520 out of shape and all these other health factors, but it does lower your testosterone. A sedentary

00:28:04.180 lifestyle without exercise is going to lower your testosterone. Your diet has massive effects on

00:28:08.880 lowering your testosterone. And then with beer, not just it's all carbs, it's all bread, but with

00:28:15.020 like a triple IPA, with IPAs in particular, even if it's not a triple, but IPAs, it's proven that

00:28:20.200 they're as so you know they're going to give you estrogen um and so so getting a bunch of young men

00:28:26.400 in seattle with with their rolled up cuffs on their jeans um you know and suspenders uh that

00:28:32.520 that you know just as an accessory to uh to drink triple ipas all day long um and to eat a bunch of

00:28:39.360 you know cereal cereal is one of the biggest psyops that ever because what happened is is

00:28:44.740 meat got replaced um and so it's like well no you don't want to eat eggs do you right they've gone

00:28:49.620 back and forth the yellow is bad for you right no no the white is bad for you turns out it's all

00:28:53.360 good for you eggs are like the best thing eggs and beef pork general equity of god's law i know

00:28:59.640 that's that's ceremonial and not and not a civil code in the old testament but god knew what he

00:29:04.560 was doing um pork is it's okay and and it's certainly uh permissible for christians to eat

00:29:09.220 today uh under the new covenant but pork is not nearly as good for you as as beef there's no fish

00:29:15.120 is uh ron swanson nailed it when he said fish is a vegetable right like it's not it's just not you

00:29:20.580 know so beef is is in a category all its own the only thing that even would come close would be uh

00:29:25.680 eggs and maybe raw raw milk raw milk eggs and beef if that's your diet you will live forever

00:29:32.100 um and and so these but instead what happened was it all became about grains grains grains grains

00:29:37.860 sponsored by big cereal those pyramids big cereal had a big exactly they were paying for those

00:29:43.040 studies and then what happens is if it's grain so it's not just that the grains itself all grains

00:29:47.680 and no meat that's already bad for you but here's the other thing about grains they're not good and

00:29:51.900 not just health-wise they don't taste good they don't taste good so then what happens what what

00:29:57.480 happens is sugar exactly so all these cereals to get people to actually eat them it's frosted

00:30:03.080 mini wheats keyword frosted it's like how are you going to get people to eat especially people

00:30:09.180 who have wealth in america for the most part have taste buds right and have taste buds and you know

00:30:13.700 how are you going to get them to eat bland crap um well sugar so then sugar comes into play and

00:30:20.660 then there's all these studies again about like um when it comes to cholesterol you know well

00:30:25.140 cholesterol that's the the big killer for heart disease and all this kind of stuff uh turns out

00:30:29.200 sugar uh there are a lot of studies uh and and maybe later on we'll provide you know uh maybe

00:30:33.680 do another episode we'll provide some studies but sugar is a bigger problem than um than cholesterol

00:30:38.800 cholesterol clogging up your arteries. Sugar is a big... So it turns out it's not because you were

00:30:44.200 eating steak and eggs. It's because you've been, since a young boy, eating sugar, wheat, cereal

00:30:52.800 every single day as the major part of... That's the bottom, the biggest part of the food pyramid.

00:30:59.200 Again, it's completely backwards. And that has affected testosterone. It's made our population

00:31:05.500 docile it's domesticated and and chemically um through diet castrated men um it's also made us

00:31:12.760 fatter uh it's also made us uh die quicker um and and yes i do believe it was intentional

00:31:19.080 all right any anything you want to add on that or do we want to shift to donald trump well that

00:31:24.220 feeds right into do you have something to say go ahead that fight feeds right into donald trump

00:31:28.400 is going to be the republican nominee for president again uh never in my lifetime in the general

00:31:33.600 presidential election, have I had the option to vote for anyone other than Donald Trump? So hate

00:31:39.260 him, love him. That's just them's the facts. That's how it is. Right. But we're talking about

00:31:43.660 low T men. We're talking about the decline of the West. We're talking about the need for leaders.

00:31:47.840 And I can't think of a better encapsulation of this dynamic. Not a perfect man, but we talked

00:31:53.080 about the border. We talked about the problem that is our economy, shipping jobs overseas to China,

00:31:57.340 foreign wars. You think about all these problems and there is someone who is very likely who is

00:32:02.600 running for president is going to be the nominee and very likely will win uh it really does seem

00:32:06.980 that in a fair race at least we'll see how that goes right he's going to win he's good on these

00:32:11.660 he's going to protect national interests he's promised to close and do work good work on the

00:32:15.880 border and deport even and deport exactly his victory speech he said he's going to deport

00:32:20.520 every illegal immigrant i pray that he follows up on it me too you have evangelical leaders

00:32:25.940 hand-wringing how could because christians are the big block of his support evangelical christians

00:32:30.760 80, 90% probably will vote for Donald Trump. You have the Moors, you have Beth Moore and Russell

00:32:35.300 Moore, women and women-adjacent men. Henry, well, how could Christians do this? He's mean, he's this,

00:32:41.940 he's that. And it's like, don't you see what it is that's driving people to him? Like, how inadept

00:32:48.440 have we become? How bad at reading the world that God has made, at understanding the times,

00:32:53.440 to see someone like Donald Trump say, do you want to have a job? Do you want to be able to feed your

00:32:57.680 family? Do you want your neighborhood to be safe? Do you want to get out of foreign wars

00:33:01.500 to see someone saying that, gaining popularity, and then complaining, how could Christians ally

00:33:07.160 with that? I'm not voting for him to be my pastor. I'm not voting for him to be a member of my

00:33:10.880 church. I'm not voting for him to babysit my children. But I will be voting for him to stand

00:33:16.480 in the gap, to stand in this gap in this country, to block the border, to protect our interests.

00:33:20.920 And so that, I mean, low-T men, but the need for leaders, men that are born for adversity,

00:33:24.980 that's the rise of Donald Trump in a nutshell. Yep. Too legit to quit. Thank you. First thing

00:33:30.900 I want to say to you, thank you so much for your support. I see you in the comments a lot and

00:33:34.000 you're encouraging. It seems like, I mean, I don't know, I'm not omniscient, but it seems like you

00:33:38.800 are so supportive and so regularly and consistent in your encouragement that you probably pray for

00:33:42.840 us. And if you do, I just want to personally say as Pastor Joel Webbin, too legit to quit. Thank

00:33:47.600 you. And you other guys are doing the same. But you said something here, if we can back up to

00:33:52.160 your comment. And you even did the little emoji, you know, like, you know, like it's a question

00:33:57.720 mark, like you're not making a, you know, like this for sure is the case. So, but I just want

00:34:01.500 to address it and address it respectfully because I recognize you as a follower of the ministry and

00:34:06.600 you're super supportive. So thank you. So I do disagree with this. So what you said was correct.

00:34:12.520 They will not allow him to win, speaking about Trump. And so this is what I would say with that.

00:34:17.380 You're right. Okay. So first off, you're right. And I actually just recorded a video that we're

00:34:22.060 going to release soon uh with uh cj engel and uh andrew isker about a possible assassination of

00:34:28.220 trump i think that uh not with a crystal ball i had i don't have any um prophetic you know

00:34:32.560 knowledge but uh that that is i think because i think that's what it's going to take um because

00:34:36.800 i i think i don't think the court cases can hold um i i really don't um i i don't think it'll matter

00:34:42.500 i think uh that the biggest the biggest way to stop trump is um is i something would have to

00:34:48.040 happen to him physically. He would have to be really sick or thrown in jail just for a night,

00:34:54.120 he would get out and become president. So you couldn't hold him in jail to bar him from the

00:34:58.400 presidency, but you could hold him in jail for 24 hours, and that's just enough time to Epstein

00:35:02.500 him for him to, oh, he committed suicide. So yes, I do think that they're going to try to stop him.

00:35:09.440 The only thing I'm objecting to with that comment, too legit to quit, is I think this is part of the

00:35:14.900 misconception. A lot of evangelicals were coming out and saying, I can't believe, you know, the

00:35:19.520 Iowa, you know, caucus that, you know, they voted for Trump instead of DeSantis. And part of the

00:35:25.700 reasoning, there's a lot of reasoning, I'll get to it. But part of the reasoning was saying, you

00:35:29.840 know, Trump can't win the general and not by just like popularity and number of votes, but he can't,

00:35:35.620 they won't let him win. The first thing we need to know is they won't let DeSantis win either.

00:35:39.980 Right. So it's been turned on Trump, right? The regime and the lawyers, lawfare, you know,

00:35:44.420 all these different things you know trump is the target um but but if if de santis won the primary

00:35:49.500 they they would do the same thing with him right um so it's it's not uh not nikki haley because

00:35:55.480 she's a democrat she's their candidate exactly it's controlled opposition right so you have two

00:35:59.840 bookends you've got uh joe biden who probably will get replaced by um i i know it sounds crazy this

00:36:05.620 late in the game but i think it's it's possible i'm not saying it'll happen but it's possible

00:36:09.000 that he would get replaced by Newsom or Michelle Obama or something like that. But they're going

00:36:16.560 to have the two bookends. Here's our progressive one. And then here's our other candidate that is

00:36:22.400 still our candidate. They are a Democrat for all intents and purposes, namely Nikki Haley,

00:36:27.120 who's just a little bit, who's a George Floyd conservative, who's not actually a conservative.

00:36:33.540 I'm making fun. But anybody who's outside of the selected regime, who's not a part of the hamster

00:36:40.600 wheel, they would turn the guns on. So I don't think that they're going to do something. They're

00:36:44.400 going to resist Trump and wouldn't resist DeSantis. So to any evangelical who that was part of their

00:36:50.200 argumentation, we should have gone with DeSantis because he'll have less resistance. No, you've

00:36:54.760 just seen more resistance thus far with Trump because he's already served four years as president

00:37:00.260 of the United States, you would see just as much resistance. They'd try everything on him.

00:37:04.480 Second, it gets to the character. I do think, like, I wouldn't have Donald Trump babysit my

00:37:09.020 kids. You know, like, I don't... So if you're trying to persuade me that Ron DeSantis was a

00:37:14.380 man of better character, yes and amen. And if we're talking about Trump, his final year of his

00:37:18.900 four-year term versus Ron DeSantis and how he governed on COVID, that's a big deal. It absolutely

00:37:24.720 matters and uh ronda santa's bloom out of the water uh trump is still um still has not uh gone

00:37:30.440 back and recanted the fact that his vaccine is trash and trash would be actually an improvement

00:37:35.260 i think it was poison um and so uh he still hasn't uh reneged on that you know um so so don't don't

00:37:41.380 don't misunderstand us uh we think that trump does not have great character and we think that

00:37:45.820 he can be a blundering fool yep um but if there was i've told people this several times if if if

00:37:51.680 on the ballot, there was Trump, and let's just say it was Trump and DeSantis and Nikki Haley

00:37:58.560 and Joe Biden and Michelle Obama and Governor Newsom. And last, there was a literal wrecking

00:38:04.940 ball. I would vote for the wrecking ball. So what people don't understand is, I think part of the

00:38:11.800 reason evangelicals don't get it is they think, how could Beth Moore's infamous tweet, how could

00:38:16.840 87% of evangelicals come out in Iowa and claim the name of Christ and vote for Trump instead of

00:38:24.040 DeSantis. And she would hate DeSantis too. She's just trying to use that because he's conservative

00:38:28.540 and she's a lib. But she's just using that as weaponry to say, you don't actually care about

00:38:33.700 character. You said in 2016, 15, 16, we voted for Trump despite his character because there was

00:38:38.960 nobody else who could win. But DeSantis, he's actually on the ballot in the primary and he

00:38:43.520 could maybe win a general election and blah, blah, blah. No, you actually do worship Trump.

00:38:47.840 The degeneracy of Trump and his multiple affairs and all these kinds of things is not something

00:38:52.260 that you look over. You're not voting for him despite those things. You're voting for him

00:38:57.180 for those things. You like those things. Evangelicals are compromised. I mean, it was

00:39:01.240 terrible. Typical Beth Moore. What I want to say is, no, somebody, an evangelical who's thinking

00:39:07.860 like that jenna ellis would be an example who's thinking like that um has has just uh they've

00:39:13.020 missed they've missed the threat um what what they don't realize is like the sons of issachar

00:39:18.360 they knew the times and they knew what to do um they they what they don't realize is they still

00:39:23.620 think that our nation is salvageable that's see that's the difference they they still think more

00:39:30.760 constitution right uh they they still i love the constitution i love the con i said this i think

00:39:36.540 in last week's episode and so go back and you can see what what i i love the constitution um uh but

00:39:42.420 we we did the whole thing on the civil rights act acting as christopher caldwell said in the age of

00:39:46.060 entitlement working as a de facto constitution that defers people from the actual constitution

00:39:50.880 over to this dei woke madness um the the problem is uh benjamin franklin uh gave us you know and

00:39:58.320 the founders they gave us a republic if we could keep it we can't uh because it requires a moral

00:40:02.820 people or john adams you know our constitution it's great i like it but it's fit for a moral

00:40:07.620 upstanding people of which we don't have we have a country of degenerates uh we've abandoned god

00:40:12.860 we've rebelled against him and um and so because of that um i don't think that we can fix it by

00:40:18.120 just having the right candidate right i think the big thing that we need right now is to expose uh

00:40:23.360 the treason expose the traitors put lock them behind bars um we we need like a godzilla type

00:40:30.420 that's going to get Mothman or Mothra, you know, and get this and get that and round up the

00:40:35.640 monsters. And he himself may be a monster also, but he's our monster and he's going to roar and

00:40:40.380 throw them all in jail. And here's the last thing. And you might say, well, DeSantis could do that

00:40:44.380 too. He stood his ground. He's got spine. Here's the last thing why I think evangelicals are willing

00:40:49.640 to vote for Trump is do they see a connection between themselves and DeSantis in terms of

00:40:54.880 character and a Christian profession, whether he's regenerate, I don't know, but at least a

00:40:59.520 christian profession yeah they see that connection but here's another connection that i think is just

00:41:04.240 it's so glaring it's hard for them to to see anything else they see the connection of um of

00:41:09.740 trump that mugshot changed the game trump and de santis were pretty close um until uh in 2022 and

00:41:17.700 then especially 23 uh trump pulled away by by a long shot dwarfing de santis's numbers in the

00:41:24.180 polls um the more he got indicted and especially when they got arrested and took his picture

00:41:29.360 that was a mistake on on the democrats part they should not have taken his picture that mugshot

00:41:35.020 was iconic that will be a historic picture that 50 years from now uh the kids will will read about

00:41:40.400 the trump era and and see that that picture um and when that happened it rallied it rallied

00:41:47.300 conservatives around trump for better or worse um because they see the connection at least the

00:41:53.040 evangelical conservatives see the connection with ronda sances in terms of our values and character

00:41:56.800 and those things but to see that this other massive connection with trump and the connection

00:42:00.900 there is they hate him and they hate me yeah they're willing to arrest him and i know that

00:42:05.540 they would arrest me if i if i they see the connection between trump and and the canadian

00:42:10.460 father who gets arrested and loses his parental rights because uh he doesn't want his his kid

00:42:15.100 his daughter to get transed right and they're like that's the connection so it's not we don't care

00:42:20.220 about morals or we don't care it's we know what time it is we need a wrecking ball um and and yes

00:42:24.980 could be one but but trump is a wreck a crazy wrecking ball and then two um people are identifying

00:42:31.720 with him whether they should or shouldn't uh because um because of of the way he's been

00:42:36.720 wrongfully persecuted and that is what men especially in the church today feel they

00:42:42.080 christian heterosexual males they they feel um that the world is against them and when they

00:42:49.200 watch the news they see the literal world against this other guy too and they're like well then i

00:42:54.020 guess that's my guy. So much of biblical wisdom. There's a lot in the Bible. It's 2,000 pages,

00:42:59.980 but it's the right principle at the right time. I think of Jesus's words, he who does not have a

00:43:04.560 sword, let him sell his cloak to buy a sword. There's a specific time to apply that principle.

00:43:09.080 I think about even like spanking in the right proportion at the right time. So there's a real

00:43:13.520 category for we're circling the ball. Things are going bad. This guy's not great, but it gives us

00:43:19.540 time. There's a real category in a very difficult moment like ours to say, this isn't maybe time

00:43:24.660 for a principle vote, or to think about my conscience just like, I just couldn't do it.

00:43:28.940 We need time. We need, especially the border of these different things. So it's the right

00:43:33.760 biblical principle, not applying the Sermon on the Mount to voting, for example, in the right

00:43:37.740 time. That's good biblical discernment. Yep. When we were researching for last week's

00:43:43.380 live stream on Martin Luther King, I came across a video where the person who was talking about

00:43:51.800 the Civil Rights Act called it a revolution. And it struck me. It's true. There was a revolution.

00:43:59.580 It was a complete alteration of the direction that we were going as a nation, a complete 90

00:44:04.920 degree turn. And then I got to thinking about other revolutions in history. You think about

00:44:08.960 the french revolution the bolshevik revolution other revolutions that have been attended with

00:44:13.720 much violence and much death and yes we had some riots and throughout the 80s and 90s and you've

00:44:20.140 got you know blm and stuff like that but but not really on the level of a french revolution or a

00:44:25.400 bolshevik revolution and it got me thinking why didn't we have violence and the reason that we

00:44:31.280 didn't have violence is because no one stood up when the revolters took over right it was

00:44:38.480 completely free access to the society on the part of those who were performing this revolution.

00:44:45.320 And one of the reasons, you know, we talked about the pastors and the T-level, and I think

00:44:50.960 another reason is a lot of pastors do not want to grant too much legitimacy to this world,

00:44:58.460 to this nation, to your job, to your border, whatever it is, they want to be spiritually

00:45:05.160 minded, but you can't lie. You can lie to people, but you can't convince them. People know that

00:45:12.820 this world matters. It is not ultimate, but a lot of evangelicals, the evangelical church's project

00:45:20.160 has been to exclusively spiritualize things. And so when I see a lot of evangelical elites

00:45:26.400 wondering why Christians would choose to vote for Trump over someone like DeSantis,

00:45:32.300 it's because he is voicing our country matters your family matters your job and your what it

00:45:44.200 means to be a man matters and and he like you said Joel he seems to be in it with us but he's in the

00:45:52.000 battle that we all want to be in and that we're told by many many pastors that's not a good battle

00:45:56.860 to be in right get out of that battle that battle's actually not happening there's no conspiracy

00:46:02.560 the the the republic is great there's no conspiracy to take it over and i just think he for a lot of

00:46:08.960 people now now let me bring it around to the other angle that i have on this uh john knox is famous

00:46:15.300 for his quote give me scotland right or i die give me scotland or i die okay but in context

00:46:22.740 mary queen of scots is on record saying that the thing that she feared more than anything else in

00:46:28.960 the world is the prayers of john knox i'm not trying to over spiritualize it and say all we

00:46:34.560 need to do is prayer pray i'm saying john knox cared so greatly about the nation of scotland

00:46:40.620 the nationality of his people and was praying and i have a conviction that if you pray you work

00:46:47.500 towards that end. He was praying and laboring towards that end. If we had pastors who viewed

00:46:53.220 our natural, national situation the way John Knox did, and who were speaking up and saying,

00:46:59.940 let's not make earth ultimate, but let's spread the kingdom on it, right? We wouldn't maybe be

00:47:05.820 in the situation where people feel a greater connection to Donald Trump than they do to

00:47:11.460 their pastor on a Sunday morning. Amen. Let's cut to one final commercial for the day.

00:47:16.020 all right everybody's been asking can i live stream your conference and the answer is a

00:47:22.860 resounding no you will be there in person or you will not be there at all i'm just kidding you

00:47:28.120 actually can live stream the conference we're excited to announce we're making it available

00:47:32.060 to anybody and everybody who wants to watch this conference right as it's happening which is march

00:47:38.100 1st and 2nd that's a friday and saturday of 2024 what conference am i even talking about it's called

00:47:44.020 blueprints for Christendom 2.0. We've got Pastor Douglas Wilson, we've got Dr. Joe Boot, we've got

00:47:49.920 Brian Sauve, we've got Eric Kahn, and then of course, yours truly, Joel Webin. We've got seven

00:47:55.620 primary sessions in the conference, each one being probably 50 to 60 minute long sessions, lectures,

00:48:03.280 sermons, whatever you want to call them, and then two live panels, each being an hour and a half

00:48:07.980 long. Now, one of the panels is on biblical patriarchy. We're going to have Pastor Douglas

00:48:12.460 wilson available for that panel and we decided to get eric khan because eric khan biblical

00:48:17.940 patriarchy let's just be honest it's a sensitive topic but eric khan i think is known as one of

00:48:23.220 the most nuanced careful and sensitive individuals especially on the twitter street so we're going

00:48:27.840 to have him as a part of that panel it'll go really well then the second panel is haunted

00:48:32.520 cosmos live show you've got brian sauve and ben garrett talking about the most unhinged things

00:48:38.580 imaginable, hopefully some things that are actually truthful. Now, there will be some

00:48:43.100 truthful things. They're going to stick to Scripture, and when they speculate, and you know

00:48:46.180 they will, they'll at least let you know that it's speculation, and they won't pass it off as though

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00:49:33.300 the plan to summarize. Testosterone levels are plummeting in men. The West is at a crisis moment.

00:49:38.120 There's unregenerate, most likely unregenerate men like Donald Trump that are doing good work,

00:49:42.420 that are trying to revive in people a love for their country, for their home, for their people,

00:49:46.760 for their family. But for Christians especially, to give some encouragement and even a path forward,

00:49:52.600 there's such a crucial axiom. It's not universal in the Reformed tradition, but it's this. Grace

00:49:57.200 restores nature. When I get saved as an American, a six-foot-two man who speaks one language,

00:50:02.680 My family, my national identity, my citizenship, those aren't replaced by now.

00:50:08.860 Oh, I just belong to a heavenly kingdom.

00:50:10.720 I just have a spiritual family.

00:50:12.800 No, grace restores nature and perfects my relationship to those.

00:50:16.080 So because I'm a man, I will be a man for all of eternity in the resurrection with a new body.

00:50:20.080 But the grace, you said this a long time ago, Joel, the grace that saves us is the same grace that keeps us and uses us for the master's work.

00:50:28.720 And so grace takes me as a man, and it makes me a true man.

00:50:32.120 It makes me strong.

00:50:33.340 It makes me courageous.

00:50:34.240 I think of Paul, 1 Corinthians 16, 13.

00:50:36.980 Act like men.

00:50:37.900 That is a good thing for men to act like men, for women to act like women.

00:50:41.820 And grace is the fuel.

00:50:43.220 And I think Christian leaders, we can be the ones, the Donald Trumps, the Sean Stricklands

00:50:48.000 that are speaking out, and we can even do it better than them.

00:50:51.160 We have God's Word.

00:50:52.120 We have our guide.

00:50:53.320 We know what time it is.

00:50:54.560 We know what the issues are.

00:50:56.160 And so that would be the encouragement.

00:50:57.320 It's like grace restores nature, and we can do this right.

00:51:00.920 We can love our family.

00:51:02.120 We can be true men.

00:51:03.240 Your testosterone is not a bad thing.

00:51:05.400 Your strength is not a bad thing.

00:51:07.080 It's not a negative.

00:51:07.900 Testosterone is not a result of the fall.

00:51:10.360 Right.

00:51:10.760 Amen.

00:51:11.960 Yeah, completely agree.

00:51:13.660 The gospel doesn't come and make men women.

00:51:15.800 It makes men better men.

00:51:17.240 It makes bad men good men.

00:51:19.660 And so, yeah, you think of distinctions, Galatians 3.27.

00:51:23.820 I think I quoted in our earlier video that we did today.

00:51:26.840 But, you know, for all who are in Christ Jesus, there's neither male nor female, you know, slave nor free, Jew or Greek.

00:51:36.480 But if you're a conservative evangelical Christian, if you're egalitarian, then you just, you know, there's no hope for you.

00:51:42.520 But if you're a conservative, you know, evangelical Christian, at least mildly conservative, right?

00:51:47.060 You're going to say, well, there's neither male nor female, but women and men still exist.

00:51:52.980 there's still you know there's still uh two genders and in the church as it pertains to the

00:51:57.980 church uh we still believe in male uh headship we believe that elders should be biblically

00:52:02.540 qualified men and and that you shouldn't have a woman serving as an elder or preaching on the

00:52:06.880 lord's day to a mixed crowd of men and women um well think about that just apply that biblical

00:52:11.940 hermeneutic consistently um so there's neither male nor female but you still believe that men

00:52:17.820 should preach and women shouldn't okay now there's neither jew nor greek well it applies there too

00:52:22.960 slave and we're free right well then it applies there too there are still dynamics of boss and

00:52:28.160 employee right right there's still economic uh there's still authority structures uh grace does

00:52:34.000 not get rid of hierarchy right now god um he's the one who instituted hierarchy and and it's good

00:52:40.660 it's something that he saw as good um so we have hierarchy within um the the family sphere um with

00:52:47.800 the husband who is the head of the wife and the children underneath that covenant marriage covenant

00:52:52.240 You also have a hierarchy within the civil sphere, right?

00:52:56.320 You have lesser magistrates and higher magistrates.

00:52:58.860 And then you have a hierarchy within the ecclesiastical sphere of churches.

00:53:03.060 You have elders and you have deacons, and then you also have members in a church.

00:53:07.360 And, you know, if you're a Presbyterian, then you're going to have, you know, outside of

00:53:10.200 that, you're going to have your local Presbytery, your session, you know, and then you're going

00:53:12.820 to have maybe a national, you know, regional and the national Presbytery.

00:53:16.800 And so the hierarchy is something that God ordained, and it's not a result of the fall.

00:53:20.840 God did not ordain a hierarchy because of sin.

00:53:25.380 He ordained, hierarchy would have existed even if Adam and Eve had never fallen.

00:53:29.800 There would still be fathers who would be in authority over their children, period, in a sinless world.

00:53:36.540 And there will be hierarchy in the sinless world that will one day be a part of, and the world restored.

00:53:41.500 And in heaven, there will be a hierarchy.

00:53:43.440 Everyone will not be perfectly equal in every single regard.

00:53:47.160 you're still going to have different... I don't know exactly if we'll have roles or responsibilities

00:53:53.980 or duties in heaven, and if so, what they'll look like. But there's certainly a hierarchy

00:53:57.880 with the angelic host. There are cherubim and seraphim. There are different angels, archangels

00:54:02.860 versus not an archangel. And so at every level, hierarchy is something that God designed.

00:54:08.460 He didn't... It's not a curse. Hierarchy is not the curse of sin. The curse of sin for the woman

00:54:14.720 is your husband will rule over you, right? But that's not the curse. The curse is your desire

00:54:20.160 will be for your husband, but he will rule over you. The curse is not male headship. The curse

00:54:25.980 is not the patriarchy. The curse is that your desire will be for your husband. It's the same

00:54:30.560 word that's used just a chapter later, I believe, in Genesis 4, where God speaks to Cain because

00:54:36.780 he's angry and wants to kill his brother Abel. And he says, sin like a lion is crouching at your

00:54:41.840 door, it desires to have you. It desires, same word, desires to have you, but you must rule over

00:54:47.780 it. So what does that mean? It desires to have you. It means sin desires to subdue you, to dominate

00:54:53.660 you, to master you. But instead, by contrast, you must not be mastered by sin, but you must master

00:55:00.360 sin. Instead of being ruled by your sin, you must rule over your sin. That's the same thing in

00:55:05.480 Genesis 3 with a curse given to the woman. Your pains and childbearing will be greatly increased,

00:55:11.840 also you will desire your husband not oh i'll just love my husband and have an affectionate

00:55:17.000 romantic erotic desire for my husband but he's going to dominate me there's the curse he'll rule

00:55:21.500 over me the rule of man man male headship is the curse no no the word desire in that context means

00:55:26.260 you'll want to be the boss but he is so the curse is not that he's the boss the curse is you not

00:55:33.120 liking it what i'm trying to say is this the curse as it pertains to women as it pertains to eve the

00:55:38.660 mother of all women. The curse is not patriarchy. The curse is feminism. The curse is not patriarchal

00:55:44.720 headship, male headship. The curse is a woman revolting against it, not liking it. And so my

00:55:51.600 point is grace, all that is before sin even entered the world. Hierarchy exists. Nature exists.

00:55:58.400 Authority exists. Categories exist. All these things exist. These are good things. So what grace

00:56:04.620 does, what the gospel does when God saves a person is he doesn't eradicate categories. He doesn't

00:56:11.080 say, and now there's no such thing as nationality. No. No, it just means that both Jews and Greeks

00:56:17.960 have equal footing at the cross of Jesus Christ and access to the gospel and free forgiveness of

00:56:22.840 sins by grace alone through faith and can be in the same local church. Theoretically, they could

00:56:27.920 do that and do it well, but it could also be done poorly if they speak different languages. And so

00:56:32.100 it may not be the ideal goal we're shooting for each local church having a perfect percentage

00:56:36.740 makeup of diversity of like no no not that but they could be theoretically and that uh that a

00:56:42.600 master like like some of the uh founders could or like robert uh uh e lee could um could actually

00:56:49.700 take the lord's supper with with a slave or philemon exactly an omnipotent or onesimus and

00:56:57.240 so so all those things so that's at the the slave or free level that's the greek or jew level and

00:57:01.880 the male effect so it doesn't eradicate gender the gospel does not come you're all one in christ

00:57:05.840 jesus so there's no more gender right uh the way people are using it with nationality um if you

00:57:11.820 apply that same hermeneutic you'd have to be on on team uh transgenderism yep you know like gender

00:57:17.180 is fluid there's no such thing it's there's no not you know there's no binary uh gender you know

00:57:21.700 framework blah blah so so categories still exist nature still exist and hierarchy still exist and

00:57:27.180 all that existed before the fall even took place it's god's design it's good and what grace does

00:57:32.660 is not eradicate it but grace elevates it and gets us back on track to where we're not hating

00:57:38.100 hierarchy and we're not revolting against um a male headship and we're not um hating you know

00:57:43.520 like it that it's it gets us to embrace those things not to ignore them but but the jesus juke

00:57:49.920 of evangelicals today in the post-war sentiment for the last 60 years or so the jesus juke that

00:57:55.720 pietistic propensity is grace eradicates nature rather than saying, no, nature is good and grace

00:58:03.240 perfects it. Any final thoughts? Michael, do you have any final thoughts? No, you covered what I

00:58:08.400 was going to say about nations still mattering. Well, you're writing a book on it. Can you tell

00:58:12.420 our listeners a little bit about your project and what you're trying to do? Sure. In the Christian

00:58:17.620 nationalism debate, I actually didn't find that a lot of people had a thoroughgoing understanding

00:58:22.520 of what a nation is and what it's for, and so I launched into just some research for my personal

00:58:27.080 edification, and then at one point I told my wife, I think I'm writing a paper, and then several

00:58:32.860 weeks later I said, I think I'm writing a book, and so my goal in this project is to discover,

00:58:38.900 and I'll give you my thesis. My thesis is God designed nations for the stewardship of the

00:58:43.640 earth. They're the primary unit that he uses to rule the earth in stewardship, and they're the

00:58:48.080 primary unit that he uses to advance the gospel. And I'm taking that from Acts 17, where it says

00:58:52.560 he put them in nations that they would seek him. And so if we obliterate nations, we, God is

00:58:59.300 sovereign, obviously, but we harm and we hamper the work that God wants to do to steward the earth,

00:59:04.700 even under the curse, and we obliterate and harm the work that he wants to do to draw people to

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The NXR Podcast - January 24, 2024

THE LIVESTREAM - Low-T Pastors, Alistair Begg, & the Rise of Donald Trump

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