THE LIVESTREAM - Low-T Pastors, Alistair Begg, & the Rise of Donald Trump
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While grace does not destroy nature, plummeting testosterone levels in men in the west, especially in ministers, are rapidly leaving little left for grace to restore. In stark contrast to the effeminacy common in evangelical men, many emerging right-wing figureheads, despite being unregenerate, are calling out our societal decay with clarity, courage and conviction that is sorely lacking from most christian leaders.
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rise of donald trump while grace does not destroy nature plummeting testosterone levels in men
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in the west especially in ministers are rapidly leaving little nature left for grace to actually
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restore in stark contrast to the effeminacy common in evangelical men many emerging right-wing
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figureheads despite being unregenerate are calling out our societal decay with clarity
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courage and conviction that is sorely lacking from most christian leaders the nomination of
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donald trump for the third consecutive presidential election confirms that this assertive masculine
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style deeply resonates with his conservative audience that they are desperate for strong
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leadership? Will evangelicals find their spine, or will they remain content with safe,
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soft-spoken men, in this case, such as Alistair Begg? That's the framework for today's episode.
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All right, let's go ahead and dive right in. So here's the lowdown. Testosterone in men,
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on average, so not every single man, but on average has been declining for decades. You can
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see in the graph on the screen, it started in the 60s, really accelerated in the 90s. But the
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average level in most men has been going down. Now there's a number of factors to this. There's
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a variety. It's not just one single thing. One of them would be sedentary workplaces. Men aren't
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working outside generally anymore, which that's somewhat benign. That could be good. That could
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be bad. But there are other more insidious factors, a highly processed diet, the proliferation
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of digital perversion that has most men wasting their days away in their mom's basement. Some
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other factors that we could think are a little bit more nefarious. But on the whole, men are on
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the decline. Masculinity has been branded toxic. We've heard all about smash the patriarchy. And
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so there's a real crisis, a real lack of men. Aristotle, he once said of ancient Sparta that
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the lack of men was the ruin. A lot of women held really high up positions. They held all the
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property, and the state really didn't have actual any defense, and Sparta is no longer around today.
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So there's a crisis of men in the West. Now, maybe you would say, well, Christians, because we have
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bodies that have been sanctified by the Lord, that we take care of our bodies, they're a temple of
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the Holy Spirit. Well, Christians haven't been a part of this trend, right? If you believe that,
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well, I have some oceanfront property in Kansas City to sell you. At a great price, call immediately.
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No, Christians have been, by and large, guilty of this same thing. A 1990 study showed that
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ministers, compared to seven other occupations, had the lowest average testosterone. Again,
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the way averages work, that doesn't mean every single pastor. If your pastor's Reformed Baptist,
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it's probably high. If it's PCUSA, your pastor's probably a woman, so that might be the factor
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there. But generally speaking, ministers actually have low testosterone. Yes, so say that again.
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There was a 19... When was the study done? 1990 study of... Of seven different vocations,
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and out of those vocations listed, pastors were the lowest testosterone.
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ministers were the lowest level. There was a couple different. It's a smaller sample size.
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I do research for a living. Sample size was smaller, but they pulled multiple samples,
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compared some to veterans, some to not, consistently across the board. And to be
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fair, ministers have a more sedentary job. Generally speaking, the pastoral ministry
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is more laid back in some senses, but it was the lowest. Why does all this matter? Okay,
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testosterone's low, so maybe people don't sleep as well. What's the big deal?
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God has fashioned nature such that strong men, they're really the bulwark, and we're talking
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about significant bulwarks. They are the barrier against tyranny. Any tyrant who would take over
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a people, who would ravage them, who would take someone's land, who would put them in captivity,
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they have to go through the men of that nation. Men are the ones that protect. Men are the ones
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that stand strong. And their leaders are the ones that animate the will of those men to defend their
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land to defend their wives, to defend their families, defend their children. So we look
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at the West and everything that's going on, and we also look and we see that the level of
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testosterone, the hormone that really God has made to mediate strength and drive and focus
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and ambition and energy, and we see that declining, and we see the decline of the West. We see
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perversion that would have never been thought thinkable 20 years ago, 30 years ago, on the
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rise, decay in moral ethics, men exiting the job market, men just wasting their life away in their
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mother's basement, the connection there is not too hard to make. Right. Absolutely. Let's go ahead
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and we've got an image that we want to put up. Have we already done that? You already did it.
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Oh, okay. I missed it. Okay. So with all that being said, you know, I think that the pastoral
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ministry attracts... I don't think it makes low-T men. I think it attracts low-T men. So that's one
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of the things that i wanted to say um and i've noticed this especially uh sadly like you you
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would want to say oh well that maybe that's just a bunch of uh whatever i don't know like you know
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joel osteen type churches you know false churches or whatever but i don't think it is i i've you
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know i've got a lot of friends who are in ministry as i am and we all tend to agree we're all within
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the reformed camp and we all tend to agree that um we think the reformed camp is not an exception
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if anything, we would say especially Reformed churches attract low-T guys, guys who it's quite
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obvious if they don't share it, you know, in a sermon illustration, you know, and just outright
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admit it, it's quite obvious these guys were beat up on the playground when they were in school,
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but they found, you know, a loophole to having, you know, achieving some position of influence
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and authority and power, namely the pastorate, pastoral ministry, and they were brains on a
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stick, right? And so they, you know, they were attracted to reform theology because
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they weren't very manly in many ways, but they could read and regurgitate and memorize. And so
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they could just, you know, it was their first time that they got to be the bully. It's the first time
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that they got to exercise some degree of strength, not physically, but with, you know,
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own them with facts and logic, you know, like who can quote Calvin the most and those kinds of
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things. And so even when you look at just pictures of men within the reformed community, pictures of
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notable pastors, it's like, yeah, like these guys, they just even physically, and I'm not trying to
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throw shade or be disrespectful, but they look often like, yeah, this is a softer man. This is
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a softer man. And I'm in that community. I am a pastor of a reformed church. So I'm part of that.
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I'd like to think that I have higher testosterone levels
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than a lot of the other guys that I'm speaking of,
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but the video was from, um, September 17, 2023. So it actually, you know, it was this fall. So
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he might be wondering what in the world, why is this happening now? Right. Uh, this was, uh,
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Alistair Bagg, just on his regular, um, uh, syndicated program. And, uh, there was an
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interview that, that he gave. And during that interview, um, the, the questioner asked something
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And she had been invited to her grandson's wedding,
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The wedding was a trance wedding, whatever that means.
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anyway, the genders were fluid and the wedding was dubious. And so the woman had asked Alistair
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Begg this question, and he said, does your grandson know that you're a Christian? And
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does your grandson know that you are opposed to this lifestyle? You believe the Bible
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does not affirm this lifestyle? And the grandmother said yes, okay? And then Alistair
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Begg said that he actually then recommended to her that she attend the wedding,
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And not only that, that she'd take a nice gift.
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And his reasoning was, your kindness might shock and surprise your grandson, but your
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rejection and, by implication, your cruelty or your sternness will not surprise your grandson.
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That's exactly what your grandson is going to be expecting.
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And so pull the reverse, uno reverse card on your grandson and surprise him with the
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love of Christ, and that will have a tendency to get you farther in this relationship.
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than not going to the quote-unquote wedding would have.
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First, this isn't a marriage by any objective standard,
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certainly by the highest and ultimate standard of the Word of God.
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And I don't even know the genders in the wedding.
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So if it was a dude who's wearing a dress, getting married to a woman,
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then it's still a problem because he's pretending to enter into a lesbian marriage
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which actually in that case, it's a dude and a woman.
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But if it's, you know, two women, biological women, you know,
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and one has transitioned, even if they've transitioned medically,
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It's a homosexual wedding, lesbian wedding.
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So in any case, no matter how you slice it, it's a problem.
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And this is one thing that Christians need to understand.
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So first, to not overly beat up Alistair Begg, massive blunder, massive mistake.
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The Lord and his providence has been merciful to wake a lot of us up, including myself, over the past few years.
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I see things with much more clarity than I did in 2000, you said 15?
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though. Just not long ago, he gave a sermon strongly opposing gay marriage.
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Right. So he's opposed to it, but this is where he failed. Okay. So nevermind. So I was going to
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try to say, well, this was years ago. So he needs to come out publicly. Even if it was years ago,
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it's going by. He needs to come out publicly and address it. And publicly, what he needs to do is
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he doesn't need to provide clarity. He doesn't need to provide explanations. He needs to publicly
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come out and repent and say that was wrong. And this is why. So this is important for people to
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understand um the reason why that's objectively wrong there's no question there's no uh multiple
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well there could be multiple opinions nope there's no uh there's only one right opinion this is why
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for no other reason this is why by going to a wedding you are this is how weddings function
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this is this is the christian view and even the the secular view for 100 hundreds of years um
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attending a wedding makes you as a wedding attendant you are bearing witness to the union
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the covenant of holy matrimony that's taking place. And this is why traditionally for hundreds
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and hundreds of years, there would be a part of the wedding liturgy. It was a wedding ceremony.
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It was a Christian ceremony. There would be a portion of the wedding liturgy that would say,
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if anyone here objects to these two people being joined together in holy matrimony, speak now or
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forever hold your peace. If you attend a wedding, that's how a wedding works. The congregants,
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they're not just passive spectators they are giving their consent they are bearing witness to
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the forming of a covenant union so so the whole point that alistair beg misses with this there's
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a lot of things he misses but this is the biggest one is he's saying uh privately voice your
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disapproval but then publicly give your legal and and spiritual and public approval because your
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attendance if you don't say a word if you don't say i approve of this wedding uh publicly on the
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wedding day, during the ceremony, it doesn't matter. Your silent presence as a wedding
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attendant is bearing witness and approving of the marriage. So you have two options. You don't
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attend, or you attend, and when they say, speak now forever, hold your peace, you stand up and
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you object to it as an abomination that God hates, and you plead with everyone there to repent of
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their sin those are your two options you don't attend or you attend and you oppose publicly
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outspokenly verbally oppose silence attendance is approval and i'm not just saying silence uh to be
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silent you know the uh evil men succeed you know because uh you know uh good men do nothing i'm not
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just saying that no in a wedding ceremony there is that that's that is that's a principle that's
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true in a general sense but at a wedding it's even it's far more than that you literally as
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an attendant of the wedding are bearing witness giving your um your collective corporate authority
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um bearing witness and and affirming the union of that covenant that's what a wedding attendant is
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doing and and so um and and the reason why i say this is such a blunder for alistair beg
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is because i'm thinking how many weddings has he officiated yeah as a christian minister yeah
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so so i understand if this was just so it's not just his position that he should theologically
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know better as a minister of the gospel. But also I'm thinking like if your basic Christian
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went to a wedding and did exactly what he recommended, so they voiced their private
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disapproval, but then silently went to a wedding and bought them a gift. That's what he suggested.
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And I would also suggest you buy them a gift. Your average Christian may not have a robust
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Christian theology of weddings and of a marriage ceremony, a wedding ceremony, and what an
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attendant is actually doing by being present and bearing witness and giving their very presence is
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giving consent to the union, the covenant union of that marriage. I wouldn't be shocked if a lot
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of Christians were unaware of that, and they didn't know the Christian tradition of marriage
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and wedding ceremonies and wedding liturgies and how that theologically plays out with the covenant
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and giving consent by your mere presence. Alistair Begg knows that. He can't not know that.
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like very often you know don't don't don't attribute you know malice to what can easily
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be explained by stupidity um unfortunately i would love for for the title of this episode to
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be alistair beggars stupid but but i i can't i can't do that i know he's not stupid i know that
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he is officiated by this point probably dozens of weddings yeah uh theologically he is very sound
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in in every other aspect that i've seen he has to know there's no way he doesn't know
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that the theological premise of attending a wedding is that you are attending the wedding
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even if you're silent even if you don't say i approve out loud your your mere attendance and
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presence is as a witness who is bearing witness to the covenant giving your consent ministers of
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the gospel know that certainly world-renowned impressive ministers of the gospel such as
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alistair beck and then if that wasn't already enough to then counsel thousands of other
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christians with with terrible advice um with someone who should know better and i think does
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know better uh is a massive problem it's so shocking to me that he used it was almost out
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of like a script you wouldn't want to appear judgmental right what great man in all of
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history which of the great biblical patriarchs would not have been called judgmental this that
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or the other by thousands of people did paul when he was writing his letter to first corinthians of
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the man sleeping with his stepmom he goes to writing he's like oh i wouldn't want to appear
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closed-minded and judgmental and over it. No, he said, kick him out. Paul says, Ephesians 5.11,
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take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but expose them. Like, this isn't just like you
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were doing your taxes one year and like, oh, I really messed that up. I got the column switched
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around. If you're saying it and you're whiffing it this bad, you've not known how to do taxes
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for a while. Now, you should repent publicly. Not many of you should be teachers because that
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bad advice went not just to a friend, but to thousands. Hopefully they rejected it.
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but he should step back, repent, and say, I got this one wrong. This isn't what the Bible says.
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This isn't what church history has taught. I'm sorry. And, you know, it makes me think that
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that maybe we're speculating here, but maybe in his mind, the Institute of Marriage has passed
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into a secular institute, right? Where you can go to a wedding. And given up. Yeah. Like it's no
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longer what God has brought together. It is no longer the providence of God that binds these two
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together. And if it's just a secular ceremony that a justice of the peace is performing, and that's
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all that it is, then we've lost a whole lot at that point. We've lost a whole lot, because we're
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giving up ground that God gave specifically—now, it's interesting, there is a role for the state
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and the family and the church in marriage, I actually think—West and I were talking about
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this a couple weeks ago—I think marriage is one of the nexus points that the three spheres of
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sovereignty coalesce on. But to say, well, it's no longer such that a family has to affirm it and
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a church has to recognize what God has done is completely abdicating the responsibility and the
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duty that Christians and God have in a marriage.
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How do you not have a gag reflex just attending that?
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Like, how are you so far that you can sit there and you would at earliest advise not
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to be stirred, not to be grieved, but to not find that disgusting?
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You don't even have to teach people to say, this is unnatural and weird and wrong.
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Okay, we're going to cut to commercial in just a second.
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When we come back, what I want to talk about is another study, and Wes will give us some
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of the facts on this but um another study where uh it talks about testosterone levels in men and
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how it affects their voting patterns um and that certain uh they did a study uh with um uh men a
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group of men sample size and uh and as they increase the testosterone level of these men the
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weakly affiliated uh democrats meaning that they weren't diehard democrats but they were they they
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usually voted for a democrat candidate and they had some weak affiliation allegiance to the democrat
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Party, those, when their testosterone was increased, a pretty sizable portion of those
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individuals started voting Republican instead. And so we want to talk about that. Democrats can't
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win without the 19th Amendment and also low-T men. Testosterone forbids you. I mean, literally,
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men with testosterone don't vote for Democrats. They don't. And men are designed by God with
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testosterone at the chemical level. There's the spiritual and theological and all that. But at
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the chemical level, testosterone is in men for at least one purpose, to give them fortitude and
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strength to protect others, to act, function as a bulwark against moral insanity that endangers
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women and children. And so if those who are called to be protectors, number one, if you put a bunch
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of people who aren't called to be protectors and give them authority, aka the 19th Amendment,
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um that's already a problem so so you already took uh you basically you cut your protectors
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in half not by saying only half of the men can vote but by saying all the women can vote so
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you've cut your protectors in half but then if you can take the half of the protectors that are
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still think like protectors and chemically castrate them to where they no longer have a
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protective instinct so now you just have women of both sexes male women and female women um you know
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with the testosterone they're functioning as women thinking as women uh then what you have
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is what we just talked about a few minutes ago with another video that we did. You have the
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permission from the United States federal government for a full-blown invasion of our
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southern border. You have suicidal leaders who don't care to protect their own posterity and
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their own citizens. So that's what we're going to come back and deal with. But real quick,
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spread of choice all right well jumping back in we're talking about low-t pastors we're talking
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about alistair beg the rise of donald trump for the record that commercial i think it increases
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my testosterone by at least 10 every time i watch it i just get pumped up um so we're gonna jump
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into a study this was a it was really pretty groundbreaking when it came out this is by
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paul et al zach paul uh the title of it is if you want to google it not just take my word for it
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testosterone administration induces a red shift in democrats so he took 136 healthy males
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the decent sample size i work in research this is a good sample size they took strongly affiliated
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democrats weekly affiliated democrats to weekly affiliated democrats when they administered first
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of all they had higher testosterone 19 than strongly affiliated so you're going like gradations
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here all the way up to republican just democrats that were weekly affiliated had higher almost 20
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higher testosterone than strongly affiliated that tells you a lot on the first basis so you're saying
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the guys who are weekly um uh convicted of like yeah i'm kind of a democrat already were 20 points
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higher testosterone 20 guys i'm a diehard democrat yep weekly affiliated higher basal
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testosterone i feel shocked than those strongly i'm not shocked statistically significant difference
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too so when weekly affiliated democrats received additional testosterone so this would be exogenous
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administered testosterone versus a placebo the strength of their party fell by 12 and they
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reported 45 warmer feelings towards republican candidates for presidents our results demonstrate
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feelings, their propensity to vote Republican by 19 to 45 percent. They felt almost 50 percent
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warmer towards candidates for president. They just they got a little testosterone like, oh,
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yeah, actually, that does make sense. Yeah, that's reasonable. Again, decent sample size,
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peer review literature. This is not the back rooms of 2004 4chan. This is well studied.
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Testosterone plays a factor in how you vote, how to be a man. Right. Real quick, let's I want to
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deal with a couple of the comments the mollusk man back up uh nathan just a little bit right there
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he said can you speak to the link between uh low testosterone crisis and our low quality
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industrialized processed food culture does this topic parallel your upcoming talk with fat
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about fat pastor so uh for those of you guys who are watching live in the chats or you listen to
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this later uh what the mollusk man is uh addressing is um i've got a series with andrew isker and ad
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Robles that is coming out each episode, um, a week, uh, with three, the first three episodes
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find it on YouTube or, or, you know, you can find it on our podcast. Uh, but it's a nine part series
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But you're absolutely right, Mollusk Man, you nailed it.
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and then i saw uh earlier on or a little bit later i think it was mollusk man again wheat
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domestic domesticated mankind he's absolutely right the food pyramid right so if we you want
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to talk about red pills you know and conspiracies and those kinds of things that is a proven i mean
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scientifically proven uh psyop that uh that ran on the whole world especially uh these united states
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uh the food pyramid is basically upside down i mean it was literally the the entire research was
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uh a lie like like and and the exact opposite it's it's actually the uh the health advice that
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you would want to give uh to a society if you wanted them um to die and and and if you also
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wanted them to not have um any will any any um testosterone any strength or vigor or any of those
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things um the idea of bread like i tell my wife this all that and i understand that that it's it's
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it tastes good my wife she makes sourdough for like our whole neighborhood people are ordering
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sourdough and she's i know every woman learned to make sourdough in 2020 with covid because we all
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wanted to you know trad wives and it was cool and but my wife is she was she was already on the
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train before she's good at it a lot of wives i'll just be honest your sourdough it's cute i you know
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stick with it it's great that's a good hobby but my wife is killing it like people buy her sourdough
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they'll pay money for it um and yet even that like i don't eat a whole lot of it you know i eat enough
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to um to honor my wife you know i eat enough because i love my wife and she she does a great
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job and and it is good but i don't want pasta i like like i remember you know like even to this
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day you know guys will uh tease me you know like uh christian friends you know um if we're having
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a guy's night or something like that and we're drinking a beer i don't want to drink beer um i'll
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i'll have a little bit of bourbon or a little bit of whiskey and i'm not saying that's uh that that's
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good but it's better a shot of bourbon sipped on you know over the night is going to be better than
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drinking your your soy boy you know triple ipa ipas like ipas have estrogen moderation
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yeah in moderation but but beer is so you have two forms of wheat right um you're eating pasta
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which is a loaf of bread and then you're drinking a beer which is a liquid loaf of loaf of bread
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right right um homer simpson uh his his physique and the fact that he sits and drinks beers there
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is a connection. That's not, you know, that's not a coincidence. And it's not just that it makes you
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out of shape and all these other health factors, but it does lower your testosterone. A sedentary
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lifestyle without exercise is going to lower your testosterone. Your diet has massive effects on
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lowering your testosterone. And then with beer, not just it's all carbs, it's all bread, but with
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like a triple IPA, with IPAs in particular, even if it's not a triple, but IPAs, it's proven that
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they're as so you know they're going to give you estrogen um and so so getting a bunch of young men
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in seattle with with their rolled up cuffs on their jeans um you know and suspenders uh that
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that you know just as an accessory to uh to drink triple ipas all day long um and to eat a bunch of
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you know cereal cereal is one of the biggest psyops that ever because what happened is is
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meat got replaced um and so it's like well no you don't want to eat eggs do you right they've gone
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back and forth the yellow is bad for you right no no the white is bad for you turns out it's all
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good for you eggs are like the best thing eggs and beef pork general equity of god's law i know
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that's that's ceremonial and not and not a civil code in the old testament but god knew what he
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was doing um pork is it's okay and and it's certainly uh permissible for christians to eat
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today uh under the new covenant but pork is not nearly as good for you as as beef there's no fish
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is uh ron swanson nailed it when he said fish is a vegetable right like it's not it's just not you
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know so beef is is in a category all its own the only thing that even would come close would be uh
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eggs and maybe raw raw milk raw milk eggs and beef if that's your diet you will live forever
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um and and so these but instead what happened was it all became about grains grains grains grains
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sponsored by big cereal those pyramids big cereal had a big exactly they were paying for those
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studies and then what happens is if it's grain so it's not just that the grains itself all grains
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and no meat that's already bad for you but here's the other thing about grains they're not good and
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not just health-wise they don't taste good they don't taste good so then what happens what what
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happens is sugar exactly so all these cereals to get people to actually eat them it's frosted
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mini wheats keyword frosted it's like how are you going to get people to eat especially people
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who have wealth in america for the most part have taste buds right and have taste buds and you know
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how are you going to get them to eat bland crap um well sugar so then sugar comes into play and
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then there's all these studies again about like um when it comes to cholesterol you know well
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cholesterol that's the the big killer for heart disease and all this kind of stuff uh turns out
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sugar uh there are a lot of studies uh and and maybe later on we'll provide you know uh maybe
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do another episode we'll provide some studies but sugar is a bigger problem than um than cholesterol
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cholesterol clogging up your arteries. Sugar is a big... So it turns out it's not because you were
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eating steak and eggs. It's because you've been, since a young boy, eating sugar, wheat, cereal
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every single day as the major part of... That's the bottom, the biggest part of the food pyramid.
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Again, it's completely backwards. And that has affected testosterone. It's made our population
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docile it's domesticated and and chemically um through diet castrated men um it's also made us
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fatter uh it's also made us uh die quicker um and and yes i do believe it was intentional
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all right any anything you want to add on that or do we want to shift to donald trump well that
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feeds right into do you have something to say go ahead that fight feeds right into donald trump
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is going to be the republican nominee for president again uh never in my lifetime in the general
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presidential election, have I had the option to vote for anyone other than Donald Trump? So hate
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him, love him. That's just them's the facts. That's how it is. Right. But we're talking about
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low T men. We're talking about the decline of the West. We're talking about the need for leaders.
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And I can't think of a better encapsulation of this dynamic. Not a perfect man, but we talked
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about the border. We talked about the problem that is our economy, shipping jobs overseas to China,
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foreign wars. You think about all these problems and there is someone who is very likely who is
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running for president is going to be the nominee and very likely will win uh it really does seem
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that in a fair race at least we'll see how that goes right he's going to win he's good on these
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he's going to protect national interests he's promised to close and do work good work on the
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border and deport even and deport exactly his victory speech he said he's going to deport
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every illegal immigrant i pray that he follows up on it me too you have evangelical leaders
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hand-wringing how could because christians are the big block of his support evangelical christians
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80, 90% probably will vote for Donald Trump. You have the Moors, you have Beth Moore and Russell
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Moore, women and women-adjacent men. Henry, well, how could Christians do this? He's mean, he's this,
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he's that. And it's like, don't you see what it is that's driving people to him? Like, how inadept
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have we become? How bad at reading the world that God has made, at understanding the times,
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to see someone like Donald Trump say, do you want to have a job? Do you want to be able to feed your
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family? Do you want your neighborhood to be safe? Do you want to get out of foreign wars
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to see someone saying that, gaining popularity, and then complaining, how could Christians ally
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with that? I'm not voting for him to be my pastor. I'm not voting for him to be a member of my
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church. I'm not voting for him to babysit my children. But I will be voting for him to stand
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in the gap, to stand in this gap in this country, to block the border, to protect our interests.
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And so that, I mean, low-T men, but the need for leaders, men that are born for adversity,
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that's the rise of Donald Trump in a nutshell. Yep. Too legit to quit. Thank you. First thing
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I want to say to you, thank you so much for your support. I see you in the comments a lot and
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you're encouraging. It seems like, I mean, I don't know, I'm not omniscient, but it seems like you
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are so supportive and so regularly and consistent in your encouragement that you probably pray for
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us. And if you do, I just want to personally say as Pastor Joel Webbin, too legit to quit. Thank
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you. And you other guys are doing the same. But you said something here, if we can back up to
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your comment. And you even did the little emoji, you know, like, you know, like it's a question
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mark, like you're not making a, you know, like this for sure is the case. So, but I just want
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to address it and address it respectfully because I recognize you as a follower of the ministry and
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you're super supportive. So thank you. So I do disagree with this. So what you said was correct.
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They will not allow him to win, speaking about Trump. And so this is what I would say with that.
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You're right. Okay. So first off, you're right. And I actually just recorded a video that we're
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going to release soon uh with uh cj engel and uh andrew isker about a possible assassination of
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trump i think that uh not with a crystal ball i had i don't have any um prophetic you know
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knowledge but uh that that is i think because i think that's what it's going to take um because
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i i think i don't think the court cases can hold um i i really don't um i i don't think it'll matter
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i think uh that the biggest the biggest way to stop trump is um is i something would have to
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happen to him physically. He would have to be really sick or thrown in jail just for a night,
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he would get out and become president. So you couldn't hold him in jail to bar him from the
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presidency, but you could hold him in jail for 24 hours, and that's just enough time to Epstein
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him for him to, oh, he committed suicide. So yes, I do think that they're going to try to stop him.
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The only thing I'm objecting to with that comment, too legit to quit, is I think this is part of the
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misconception. A lot of evangelicals were coming out and saying, I can't believe, you know, the
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Iowa, you know, caucus that, you know, they voted for Trump instead of DeSantis. And part of the
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reasoning, there's a lot of reasoning, I'll get to it. But part of the reasoning was saying, you
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know, Trump can't win the general and not by just like popularity and number of votes, but he can't,
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they won't let him win. The first thing we need to know is they won't let DeSantis win either.
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Right. So it's been turned on Trump, right? The regime and the lawyers, lawfare, you know,
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all these different things you know trump is the target um but but if if de santis won the primary
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they they would do the same thing with him right um so it's it's not uh not nikki haley because
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she's a democrat she's their candidate exactly it's controlled opposition right so you have two
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bookends you've got uh joe biden who probably will get replaced by um i i know it sounds crazy this
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late in the game but i think it's it's possible i'm not saying it'll happen but it's possible
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that he would get replaced by Newsom or Michelle Obama or something like that. But they're going
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to have the two bookends. Here's our progressive one. And then here's our other candidate that is
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still our candidate. They are a Democrat for all intents and purposes, namely Nikki Haley,
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who's just a little bit, who's a George Floyd conservative, who's not actually a conservative.
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I'm making fun. But anybody who's outside of the selected regime, who's not a part of the hamster
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wheel, they would turn the guns on. So I don't think that they're going to do something. They're
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going to resist Trump and wouldn't resist DeSantis. So to any evangelical who that was part of their
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argumentation, we should have gone with DeSantis because he'll have less resistance. No, you've
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just seen more resistance thus far with Trump because he's already served four years as president
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of the United States, you would see just as much resistance. They'd try everything on him.
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Second, it gets to the character. I do think, like, I wouldn't have Donald Trump babysit my
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kids. You know, like, I don't... So if you're trying to persuade me that Ron DeSantis was a
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man of better character, yes and amen. And if we're talking about Trump, his final year of his
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four-year term versus Ron DeSantis and how he governed on COVID, that's a big deal. It absolutely
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matters and uh ronda santa's bloom out of the water uh trump is still um still has not uh gone
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back and recanted the fact that his vaccine is trash and trash would be actually an improvement
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i think it was poison um and so uh he still hasn't uh reneged on that you know um so so don't don't
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don't misunderstand us uh we think that trump does not have great character and we think that
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he can be a blundering fool yep um but if there was i've told people this several times if if if
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on the ballot, there was Trump, and let's just say it was Trump and DeSantis and Nikki Haley
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and Joe Biden and Michelle Obama and Governor Newsom. And last, there was a literal wrecking
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ball. I would vote for the wrecking ball. So what people don't understand is, I think part of the
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reason evangelicals don't get it is they think, how could Beth Moore's infamous tweet, how could
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87% of evangelicals come out in Iowa and claim the name of Christ and vote for Trump instead of
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DeSantis. And she would hate DeSantis too. She's just trying to use that because he's conservative
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and she's a lib. But she's just using that as weaponry to say, you don't actually care about
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character. You said in 2016, 15, 16, we voted for Trump despite his character because there was
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nobody else who could win. But DeSantis, he's actually on the ballot in the primary and he
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could maybe win a general election and blah, blah, blah. No, you actually do worship Trump.
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The degeneracy of Trump and his multiple affairs and all these kinds of things is not something
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that you look over. You're not voting for him despite those things. You're voting for him
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for those things. You like those things. Evangelicals are compromised. I mean, it was
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terrible. Typical Beth Moore. What I want to say is, no, somebody, an evangelical who's thinking
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like that jenna ellis would be an example who's thinking like that um has has just uh they've
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missed they've missed the threat um what what they don't realize is like the sons of issachar
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they knew the times and they knew what to do um they they what they don't realize is they still
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think that our nation is salvageable that's see that's the difference they they still think more
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constitution right uh they they still i love the constitution i love the con i said this i think
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in last week's episode and so go back and you can see what what i i love the constitution um uh but
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we we did the whole thing on the civil rights act acting as christopher caldwell said in the age of
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entitlement working as a de facto constitution that defers people from the actual constitution
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over to this dei woke madness um the the problem is uh benjamin franklin uh gave us you know and
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the founders they gave us a republic if we could keep it we can't uh because it requires a moral
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people or john adams you know our constitution it's great i like it but it's fit for a moral
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upstanding people of which we don't have we have a country of degenerates uh we've abandoned god
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we've rebelled against him and um and so because of that um i don't think that we can fix it by
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just having the right candidate right i think the big thing that we need right now is to expose uh
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the treason expose the traitors put lock them behind bars um we we need like a godzilla type
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that's going to get Mothman or Mothra, you know, and get this and get that and round up the
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monsters. And he himself may be a monster also, but he's our monster and he's going to roar and
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throw them all in jail. And here's the last thing. And you might say, well, DeSantis could do that
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too. He stood his ground. He's got spine. Here's the last thing why I think evangelicals are willing
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to vote for Trump is do they see a connection between themselves and DeSantis in terms of
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character and a Christian profession, whether he's regenerate, I don't know, but at least a
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christian profession yeah they see that connection but here's another connection that i think is just
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it's so glaring it's hard for them to to see anything else they see the connection of um of
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trump that mugshot changed the game trump and de santis were pretty close um until uh in 2022 and
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then especially 23 uh trump pulled away by by a long shot dwarfing de santis's numbers in the
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polls um the more he got indicted and especially when they got arrested and took his picture
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that was a mistake on on the democrats part they should not have taken his picture that mugshot
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was iconic that will be a historic picture that 50 years from now uh the kids will will read about
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the trump era and and see that that picture um and when that happened it rallied it rallied
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conservatives around trump for better or worse um because they see the connection at least the
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evangelical conservatives see the connection with ronda sances in terms of our values and character
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and those things but to see that this other massive connection with trump and the connection
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there is they hate him and they hate me yeah they're willing to arrest him and i know that
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they would arrest me if i if i they see the connection between trump and and the canadian
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father who gets arrested and loses his parental rights because uh he doesn't want his his kid
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his daughter to get transed right and they're like that's the connection so it's not we don't care
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about morals or we don't care it's we know what time it is we need a wrecking ball um and and yes
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could be one but but trump is a wreck a crazy wrecking ball and then two um people are identifying
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with him whether they should or shouldn't uh because um because of of the way he's been
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wrongfully persecuted and that is what men especially in the church today feel they
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christian heterosexual males they they feel um that the world is against them and when they
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watch the news they see the literal world against this other guy too and they're like well then i
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guess that's my guy. So much of biblical wisdom. There's a lot in the Bible. It's 2,000 pages,
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but it's the right principle at the right time. I think of Jesus's words, he who does not have a
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sword, let him sell his cloak to buy a sword. There's a specific time to apply that principle.
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I think about even like spanking in the right proportion at the right time. So there's a real
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category for we're circling the ball. Things are going bad. This guy's not great, but it gives us
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time. There's a real category in a very difficult moment like ours to say, this isn't maybe time
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for a principle vote, or to think about my conscience just like, I just couldn't do it.
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We need time. We need, especially the border of these different things. So it's the right
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biblical principle, not applying the Sermon on the Mount to voting, for example, in the right
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time. That's good biblical discernment. Yep. When we were researching for last week's
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live stream on Martin Luther King, I came across a video where the person who was talking about
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the Civil Rights Act called it a revolution. And it struck me. It's true. There was a revolution.
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It was a complete alteration of the direction that we were going as a nation, a complete 90
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degree turn. And then I got to thinking about other revolutions in history. You think about
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the french revolution the bolshevik revolution other revolutions that have been attended with
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much violence and much death and yes we had some riots and throughout the 80s and 90s and you've
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got you know blm and stuff like that but but not really on the level of a french revolution or a
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bolshevik revolution and it got me thinking why didn't we have violence and the reason that we
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didn't have violence is because no one stood up when the revolters took over right it was
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completely free access to the society on the part of those who were performing this revolution.
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And one of the reasons, you know, we talked about the pastors and the T-level, and I think
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another reason is a lot of pastors do not want to grant too much legitimacy to this world,
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to this nation, to your job, to your border, whatever it is, they want to be spiritually
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minded, but you can't lie. You can lie to people, but you can't convince them. People know that
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this world matters. It is not ultimate, but a lot of evangelicals, the evangelical church's project
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has been to exclusively spiritualize things. And so when I see a lot of evangelical elites
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wondering why Christians would choose to vote for Trump over someone like DeSantis,
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it's because he is voicing our country matters your family matters your job and your what it
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means to be a man matters and and he like you said Joel he seems to be in it with us but he's in the
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battle that we all want to be in and that we're told by many many pastors that's not a good battle
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to be in right get out of that battle that battle's actually not happening there's no conspiracy
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the the the republic is great there's no conspiracy to take it over and i just think he for a lot of
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people now now let me bring it around to the other angle that i have on this uh john knox is famous
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for his quote give me scotland right or i die give me scotland or i die okay but in context
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mary queen of scots is on record saying that the thing that she feared more than anything else in
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the world is the prayers of john knox i'm not trying to over spiritualize it and say all we
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need to do is prayer pray i'm saying john knox cared so greatly about the nation of scotland
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the nationality of his people and was praying and i have a conviction that if you pray you work
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towards that end. He was praying and laboring towards that end. If we had pastors who viewed
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our natural, national situation the way John Knox did, and who were speaking up and saying,
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let's not make earth ultimate, but let's spread the kingdom on it, right? We wouldn't maybe be
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in the situation where people feel a greater connection to Donald Trump than they do to
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their pastor on a Sunday morning. Amen. Let's cut to one final commercial for the day.
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all right everybody's been asking can i live stream your conference and the answer is a
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resounding no you will be there in person or you will not be there at all i'm just kidding you
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actually can live stream the conference we're excited to announce we're making it available
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to anybody and everybody who wants to watch this conference right as it's happening which is march
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1st and 2nd that's a friday and saturday of 2024 what conference am i even talking about it's called
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blueprints for Christendom 2.0. We've got Pastor Douglas Wilson, we've got Dr. Joe Boot, we've got
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Brian Sauve, we've got Eric Kahn, and then of course, yours truly, Joel Webin. We've got seven
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primary sessions in the conference, each one being probably 50 to 60 minute long sessions, lectures,
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sermons, whatever you want to call them, and then two live panels, each being an hour and a half
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long. Now, one of the panels is on biblical patriarchy. We're going to have Pastor Douglas
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wilson available for that panel and we decided to get eric khan because eric khan biblical
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patriarchy let's just be honest it's a sensitive topic but eric khan i think is known as one of
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the most nuanced careful and sensitive individuals especially on the twitter street so we're going
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to have him as a part of that panel it'll go really well then the second panel is haunted
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cosmos live show you've got brian sauve and ben garrett talking about the most unhinged things
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imaginable, hopefully some things that are actually truthful. Now, there will be some
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truthful things. They're going to stick to Scripture, and when they speculate, and you know
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they will, they'll at least let you know that it's speculation, and they won't pass it off as though
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it's in the infallible Word of God. So, live stream this conference. How do you do it? Go to
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the plan to summarize. Testosterone levels are plummeting in men. The West is at a crisis moment.
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There's unregenerate, most likely unregenerate men like Donald Trump that are doing good work,
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that are trying to revive in people a love for their country, for their home, for their people,
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for their family. But for Christians especially, to give some encouragement and even a path forward,
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there's such a crucial axiom. It's not universal in the Reformed tradition, but it's this. Grace
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restores nature. When I get saved as an American, a six-foot-two man who speaks one language,
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My family, my national identity, my citizenship, those aren't replaced by now.
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No, grace restores nature and perfects my relationship to those.
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So because I'm a man, I will be a man for all of eternity in the resurrection with a new body.
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But the grace, you said this a long time ago, Joel, the grace that saves us is the same grace that keeps us and uses us for the master's work.
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And so grace takes me as a man, and it makes me a true man.
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That is a good thing for men to act like men, for women to act like women.
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And I think Christian leaders, we can be the ones, the Donald Trumps, the Sean Stricklands
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that are speaking out, and we can even do it better than them.
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It's like grace restores nature, and we can do this right.
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And so, yeah, you think of distinctions, Galatians 3.27.
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I think I quoted in our earlier video that we did today.
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But, you know, for all who are in Christ Jesus, there's neither male nor female, you know, slave nor free, Jew or Greek.
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But if you're a conservative evangelical Christian, if you're egalitarian, then you just, you know, there's no hope for you.
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But if you're a conservative, you know, evangelical Christian, at least mildly conservative, right?
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You're going to say, well, there's neither male nor female, but women and men still exist.
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there's still you know there's still uh two genders and in the church as it pertains to the
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church uh we still believe in male uh headship we believe that elders should be biblically
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qualified men and and that you shouldn't have a woman serving as an elder or preaching on the
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lord's day to a mixed crowd of men and women um well think about that just apply that biblical
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hermeneutic consistently um so there's neither male nor female but you still believe that men
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should preach and women shouldn't okay now there's neither jew nor greek well it applies there too
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slave and we're free right well then it applies there too there are still dynamics of boss and
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employee right right there's still economic uh there's still authority structures uh grace does
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not get rid of hierarchy right now god um he's the one who instituted hierarchy and and it's good
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it's something that he saw as good um so we have hierarchy within um the the family sphere um with
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the husband who is the head of the wife and the children underneath that covenant marriage covenant
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You also have a hierarchy within the civil sphere, right?
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You have lesser magistrates and higher magistrates.
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And then you have a hierarchy within the ecclesiastical sphere of churches.
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You have elders and you have deacons, and then you also have members in a church.
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And, you know, if you're a Presbyterian, then you're going to have, you know, outside of
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that, you're going to have your local Presbytery, your session, you know, and then you're going
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to have maybe a national, you know, regional and the national Presbytery.
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And so the hierarchy is something that God ordained, and it's not a result of the fall.
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He ordained, hierarchy would have existed even if Adam and Eve had never fallen.
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There would still be fathers who would be in authority over their children, period, in a sinless world.
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And there will be hierarchy in the sinless world that will one day be a part of, and the world restored.
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Everyone will not be perfectly equal in every single regard.
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you're still going to have different... I don't know exactly if we'll have roles or responsibilities
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or duties in heaven, and if so, what they'll look like. But there's certainly a hierarchy
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with the angelic host. There are cherubim and seraphim. There are different angels, archangels
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versus not an archangel. And so at every level, hierarchy is something that God designed.
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He didn't... It's not a curse. Hierarchy is not the curse of sin. The curse of sin for the woman
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is your husband will rule over you, right? But that's not the curse. The curse is your desire
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will be for your husband, but he will rule over you. The curse is not male headship. The curse
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is not the patriarchy. The curse is that your desire will be for your husband. It's the same
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word that's used just a chapter later, I believe, in Genesis 4, where God speaks to Cain because
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he's angry and wants to kill his brother Abel. And he says, sin like a lion is crouching at your
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door, it desires to have you. It desires, same word, desires to have you, but you must rule over
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it. So what does that mean? It desires to have you. It means sin desires to subdue you, to dominate
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you, to master you. But instead, by contrast, you must not be mastered by sin, but you must master
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sin. Instead of being ruled by your sin, you must rule over your sin. That's the same thing in
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Genesis 3 with a curse given to the woman. Your pains and childbearing will be greatly increased,
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also you will desire your husband not oh i'll just love my husband and have an affectionate
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romantic erotic desire for my husband but he's going to dominate me there's the curse he'll rule
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over me the rule of man man male headship is the curse no no the word desire in that context means
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you'll want to be the boss but he is so the curse is not that he's the boss the curse is you not
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liking it what i'm trying to say is this the curse as it pertains to women as it pertains to eve the
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mother of all women. The curse is not patriarchy. The curse is feminism. The curse is not patriarchal
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headship, male headship. The curse is a woman revolting against it, not liking it. And so my
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point is grace, all that is before sin even entered the world. Hierarchy exists. Nature exists.
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Authority exists. Categories exist. All these things exist. These are good things. So what grace
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does, what the gospel does when God saves a person is he doesn't eradicate categories. He doesn't
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say, and now there's no such thing as nationality. No. No, it just means that both Jews and Greeks
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have equal footing at the cross of Jesus Christ and access to the gospel and free forgiveness of
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sins by grace alone through faith and can be in the same local church. Theoretically, they could
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do that and do it well, but it could also be done poorly if they speak different languages. And so
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it may not be the ideal goal we're shooting for each local church having a perfect percentage
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makeup of diversity of like no no not that but they could be theoretically and that uh that a
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master like like some of the uh founders could or like robert uh uh e lee could um could actually
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take the lord's supper with with a slave or philemon exactly an omnipotent or onesimus and
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so so all those things so that's at the the slave or free level that's the greek or jew level and
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the male effect so it doesn't eradicate gender the gospel does not come you're all one in christ
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jesus so there's no more gender right uh the way people are using it with nationality um if you
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apply that same hermeneutic you'd have to be on on team uh transgenderism yep you know like gender
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is fluid there's no such thing it's there's no not you know there's no binary uh gender you know
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framework blah blah so so categories still exist nature still exist and hierarchy still exist and
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all that existed before the fall even took place it's god's design it's good and what grace does
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is not eradicate it but grace elevates it and gets us back on track to where we're not hating
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hierarchy and we're not revolting against um a male headship and we're not um hating you know
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like it that it's it gets us to embrace those things not to ignore them but but the jesus juke
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of evangelicals today in the post-war sentiment for the last 60 years or so the jesus juke that
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pietistic propensity is grace eradicates nature rather than saying, no, nature is good and grace
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perfects it. Any final thoughts? Michael, do you have any final thoughts? No, you covered what I
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was going to say about nations still mattering. Well, you're writing a book on it. Can you tell
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our listeners a little bit about your project and what you're trying to do? Sure. In the Christian
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nationalism debate, I actually didn't find that a lot of people had a thoroughgoing understanding
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of what a nation is and what it's for, and so I launched into just some research for my personal
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edification, and then at one point I told my wife, I think I'm writing a paper, and then several
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weeks later I said, I think I'm writing a book, and so my goal in this project is to discover,
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and I'll give you my thesis. My thesis is God designed nations for the stewardship of the
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earth. They're the primary unit that he uses to rule the earth in stewardship, and they're the
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primary unit that he uses to advance the gospel. And I'm taking that from Acts 17, where it says
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he put them in nations that they would seek him. And so if we obliterate nations, we, God is
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sovereign, obviously, but we harm and we hamper the work that God wants to do to steward the earth,
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even under the curse, and we obliterate and harm the work that he wants to do to draw people to
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himself. That's it in a nutshell. That's awesome. That's great. Well, again, make sure to tune in
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