The NXR Podcast - THE LIVESTREAM - Michael “Martin Luther” King ｜ How Civil Rights Gave Us BLM, DEI, & LGBT

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00:00:30 All right, welcome back. Today we're going to be talking about Michael Martin Luther King,

00:00:35 but we're not only going to be talking about MLK, we're also going to be talking about the

00:00:40 Civil Rights Act and, by the grace of God, why it should be repealed. So, without further ado,

00:00:47 here we go. Martin Luther King Jr. has been one of the most important civil rights figures

00:00:51 since the day of his death in 1968. Our society has come to view him as a mythic figure who both

00:00:58 defied an oppressive system while preaching a Christian message of inclusion, peace, and

00:01:03 tolerance. This is not true, and sadly, many Christians have been deceived into celebrating

00:01:09 a heretic theologian, a sexual deviant, and a Marxist agent. What is even worse, though, 0.97

00:01:15 is that the Civil Rights Project has used MLK to pollute the mission of Christianity 0.76

00:01:20 and to destroy the historic identity of the United States. Here we go. 0.75

00:01:28 all right well welcome everybody we're excited about this topic and uh i was tasked with writing

00:01:40 the kind of background article for the topic this week and then we remembered that it was mlk day

00:01:46 on monday and so on sunday west said hey what do you think about doing something about mlk so we

00:01:52 scrapped the previous topic and we jumped into uh kind of an analysis of mlk martin luther king

00:02:00 jr day and particularly the uh the movement that was launched kind of by or or through his name

00:02:07 right through his image um the heroic martyr figure um that mlk became and has become in our

00:02:15 society, it launched a civil rights movement that was, I think, well beyond what anyone

00:02:22 at the time when MLK was alive would have even thought or dreamed or expected or feared

00:02:29 or, you know, whatever adjective that we want to put in there.

00:02:32 And it really has been devastatingly harmful to religion, to Christianity, to the nation 0.82

00:02:39 in general.

00:02:40 And so what we want to do today is we want to talk—these are kind of shocking claims,

00:02:44 right? Especially if you grew up going to elementary school and seeing pictures of MLK and

00:02:49 he's a hero and nothing bad has ever been said about him. So we want to do a little bit of

00:02:56 background work. A lot of people have done it so far this year. We were talking before we started

00:03:00 that the Overton window on MLK is shifting quite a bit. People are starting to kind of re-evaluate

00:03:06 history. But there are a couple things we want to say about his theology, his heretical theology,

00:03:12 his sexual practices, which were gross and deviant, 0.63

00:03:17 and then also just the fact 0.90

00:03:18 that he was so closely aligned to Marxism.

00:03:20 So a little bit of biography to start,

00:03:22 and then we'll jump into some other topics,

00:03:24 including why the church has kind of swallowed it

00:03:29 hook, line, and sinker,

00:03:29 and then the damage it's done to society in general.

00:03:32 Right, real quick,

00:03:33 when Michael talks about the Overton window,

00:03:35 what he's saying is the Overton window

00:03:37 has been used to just describe as a descriptor

00:03:40 for acceptable public discourse, the kind of speech that doesn't cause you to lose all your

00:03:46 friends, what's acceptable to say. And it really is remarkable thinking that in just six years,

00:03:52 so it wasn't that long ago, we're not talking about 60 years, but six years ago, 2018, you had

00:03:57 the MLK 50 conference with guys like David Platt. I think John Piper was probably the only one who

00:04:03 even mentioned that there might be something negative about the man, Michael Martin Luther

00:04:09 king um but everybody else was just you know uh just praise complete praise and that was six years

00:04:15 ago and nobody including myself and i just want to say that from the get-go including myself now

00:04:20 granted i didn't have the platform that i have today and so you know nobody really would have

00:04:24 heard it but um regardless uh nobody including myself was um doing an episode like we're about

00:04:31 to do right where it really takes a serious look at mlk and says hey there's massive problems with

00:04:38 this guy and not just with his character behind the scenes, but actually the way that he was

00:04:43 weaponized and used and even his own purposes and the Civil Rights Act and what that has become.

00:04:49 Nobody was talking about the problems of the Civil Rights Act. I'd highly recommend for your

00:04:54 own time reading The Age of Entitlement, not The Enlightenment, but The Age of Entitlement by

00:04:59 Christopher Caldwell, who just perfectly exposes why the Civil Rights Act was unjust, especially

00:05:07 what it accomplished but even um even in paper and so those are the things that we're talking

00:05:11 about and you know um to think that there's only two figures in terms of persons right there you

00:05:17 know there's there's other holidays that we have but in terms of federal holidays i believe it's

00:05:22 only two we have george washington um and and then we have you know we have martin luther king

00:05:27 and so to be elevated you know almost deified to that level of federal holiday uh for somebody who

00:05:34 um it's like well george washington had problems nope not like him okay not even close so we'll

00:05:39 take down robert e lee's statutes yes tear them down an incredible godly man a leader disciplined

00:05:45 we'll take those down and they say but don't you touch his legacy oh let him have his day oh maybe

00:05:50 he did have his flaws but but let's leave that be let's leave the holiday meanwhile we'll take 0.68

00:05:55 will you pen down from pennsylvania we'll take lee down we'll destroy those heroes right yep okay 0.94

00:06:00 Good. All right, so a couple things about King, and if this is new information to you,

00:06:05 then buckle up. It's kind of shocking, and it begs the question of how on earth has this man

00:06:10 become such a figure? But Martin Luther King, flatly put, was a heretic. I read several of

00:06:17 his papers from seminary this week, and he flatly denies the virgin birth, the deity of Christ,

00:06:25 the inerrancy of scripture, and oh boy, there was one other one that I put in here, but a bodily

00:06:32 resurrection, just the bodily resurrection, no big deal, claiming his basic claim was the early church

00:06:39 had to appeal to this wide Greek audience, and they had had this intensely, almost surreal

00:06:46 experience, wandering and traveling and working alongside Christ, and after he died, they had to

00:06:53 they had to try and figure out ways

00:06:54 to explain the experience that they had had.

00:06:56 And it was like, we were with him

00:06:58 and it was almost otherworldly, right?

00:07:00 It was almost divine to be with Christ.

00:07:04 And so what they, his theory,

00:07:06 and he was reading other people who were saying this,

00:07:08 he went to liberal seminaries.

00:07:10 The theory was, well, the Greeks had this conception

00:07:14 of the spirit and of the divine.

00:07:16 And so the early church in their attempts

00:07:18 to explain how they felt when they were with Christ,

00:07:22 the disciples, and in an attempt to appeal to this very kind of philosophical Greek time,

00:07:28 they ended up kind of inventing these ideas of deity, of superhuman father, kind of like

00:07:36 a Zeus figure and Hercules.

00:07:40 And so they had to-

00:07:41 They believed crazy things like a global flood.

00:07:43 Global, exactly.

00:07:44 All over the whole earth.

00:07:46 Right.

00:07:46 Literally, it was a local flood, but they just exaggerated it to, no.

00:07:49 And here's-

00:07:50 We believe in a global flood.

00:07:52 Amen to that.

00:07:54 Here's the thing, though.

00:07:54 A lot of people have said, well, that was earlier.

00:07:56 That was when he was in seminary, and he went to a liberal seminary because the conservatives

00:08:00 ones wouldn't let him in.

00:08:02 There's no evidence that he ever recanted on this.

00:08:05 In fact, the guy at Stanford who put together his papers in the 90s was corresponding with

00:08:10 his wife, Coretta Scott King, and basically said, like, he wasn't criticizing, but he

00:08:17 He was saying, look, the evidence from King's papers is that he was very far away from Orthodox Christianity.

00:08:25 And that was the guy who compiled all of them together. 0.93

00:08:29 I also think that's just insulting to black people.

00:08:31 What that implies is that King wasn't Orthodox because the white seminaries wouldn't let him in, which implies, okay, well, then none of the other black people at that time went to white seminaries. 0.82

00:08:42 And so they all must have been heretics.

00:08:43 And that's just false.

00:08:44 The black community was thriving before the Civil Rights Act in many different places, and they were thoroughly orthodox. 0.93

00:08:51 Now, the black church today, sadly, has many unorthodox opinions and certainly poor views as it comes to civil politics.

00:08:59 But black Christians, and that's a generalization, that's not every black individual.

00:09:03 We've got Votie Bauckham and Daryl Harrison and Virgil Bauckham.

00:09:06 They're great guys. 0.84

00:09:07 But in general, the black church today is not great.

00:09:10 but the black church and the black community in just a more general sense of yesteryear was

00:09:16 in fact i think thomas soul talks about this there was actually more parents or more more

00:09:23 married households i think it was like close to 80 percent or something or maybe even close to 90

00:09:28 percent of fathers and mothers staying together and children being raised in a two-parent home

00:09:33 with their biological parents than than the white community of that time whereas today i think it's

00:09:37 like 75% of black children are raised in a single parent home, usually with the absence

00:09:42 of a father. So my whole point is just to say, you can't, for anyone who say, well, MLK was a

00:09:47 heretic, but that's because white people had a monopoly on orthodoxy and you couldn't, that right

00:09:54 there denies the perspicuity of scripture, the clarity that somebody sitting at home reading

00:09:59 the Bible couldn't have a clue about the resurrection of the dead. And we would just

00:10:04 reject that. I have training in multiple regards, but technically I don't have an MDiv. I don't have

00:10:11 formal seminary training in that regard. And yet I still somehow found a way in reading the

00:10:17 scripture just as a Christian to come to the conclusion that Jesus bodily rose from the dead

00:10:22 and that we too, he was raised as a first fruits and that we too... So yeah, so I just completely

00:10:27 reject the idea that it's Whitey's fault that MLK held heretical views. 0.84

00:10:32 Exactly that. They have this Q&A about the complexities of King. And he says, well, I was 15. You know, I had a crisis of faith. And so who are we to discount, you know, like his crisis of faith? Well, hang on. There's a huge difference between a 15 year old saying like, I have some questions, mom and dad, to someone in seminary for their doctorate, sitting down, not in one day or an evening, writing their whole doctorate. This doesn't seem to be real. Think we can deny this. There's a huge difference. And like you said, it's almost demeaning and insulting to King to say this is some crisis of faith.

00:11:01 he just didn't have access to the education and that's russell moore head of the erc at the time

00:11:05 king never recanted any of those things at least publicly that we can find right so it wasn't a

00:11:09 moment it's not a midlife crisis it's a it's the your whole life crisis your whole life so okay

00:11:16 okay so heretic um sexual deviant i don't know west do you want to jump in on this a little bit

00:11:20 oh it's nice nice easy topic throw you the easy one yeah yeah uh just to speak um with yeah with

00:11:27 grace and with lawful clarity uh he had multiple adulterous affairs um the fbi they actually

00:11:33 wiretapped him uh they they were suspicious and we'll get into this of him obviously being

00:11:38 connected individuals with marxist and communist connections so the fbi wiretapped him and so they

00:11:43 had kind of unparalleled access to his private life to listen to him his discussions uh it was

00:11:48 very vulgar in private and what actually trump actually declassified this and to be fair i don't

00:11:53 think it was available until 2019. That's true. So this is somewhat newer, MLK 50 wasn't around,

00:11:58 but there was a woman being assaulted in the background and Martin Luther King is laughing.

00:12:03 He's laughing and actually giving advice. He was a twisted, wicked man. There's tons of other 0.98

00:12:08 details on them. They're not worth repeating. They shouldn't be repeated. He was not a committed

00:12:13 family man. He was an adulterer through and through. And I think almost the theme would

00:12:18 just be indulgent. It wasn't even like, like there are people that, yeah, I don't know. They

00:12:23 they give into a temptation once, but they regret it. I sinned. I left myself open to temptation

00:12:29 and I have failed miserably. I want to rebuild that. And then there's just indulgence, drunkenness,

00:12:34 works of darkness, orgies, sexual assault, those things. That's what he was much more characterized

00:12:39 than a moment of infidelity. Right. It wasn't a moment. It was a lifestyle.

00:12:42 Absolutely. Again and again. Correct me if I'm wrong, but allegedly, so I already protected

00:12:48 myself a little bit. That allegedly word, that gets you a long way. But allegedly he was

00:12:52 um in in an affair and perhaps even um a multiple person an orgy uh even just a few days before his

00:12:59 assassination i think the night before he was assassinated so this so this wasn't like you

00:13:05 know he he had a a bad season in his 20s and then it was a seminary right and then lived for 30 years

00:13:12 repenting of that and and then was assassinated this is all the way up till the night before

00:13:17 unrepentant, indulgent. And was funding some of these escapades with money that was donated

00:13:24 through charities for training black urban leaders. So this was going on behind the scenes

00:13:32 at some of these weekend training seminars that they were doing. Real quick, I want to address,

00:13:37 we have just one comment on the screen. So anybody who's hopping on the video can see it.

00:13:40 So I think it's worth addressing. The name is Wokey McWokerson. I'm sorry, A. Allen. He says,

00:13:47 if you whistle for the white supremacists, don't be shocked when they arrive. So you're being

00:13:51 foolish. So basically what a Allen is insisting here, you know, outright implying is that by 0.99

00:13:59 having a video like this, titling it, you know, something negative about Martin Luther King,

00:14:03 telling the truth about Martin Luther King and the, you know, and the negative effects that have

00:14:07 come from the civil rights act that you're, you know, whistling for white supremacists. And the

00:14:11 reality is, you know, unfortunately, some things are inevitable. I have no doubt that there are,

00:14:16 you know, with 85,000 YouTube subscribers that, you know, that there's probably a couple of people

00:14:21 who are just genuinely bonafide white supremacists. That's probably the case. But one, Jesus died for

00:14:27 white supremacists. Everybody's fine with, you know, we were just talking before we started

00:14:31 recording and saying, like, given these two scenarios, if you in your past had two events,

00:14:36 one of these two events, in one case, you pressured your girlfriend to get an abortion,

00:14:42 and uh but you repented and said this is wrong and i don't ever want to be like that again and

00:14:46 then in the other case in your past um you had some kind of um some kind of engagement where you

00:14:52 uh you said something racist you know to a black person uh but again you repented i don't ever want

00:14:57 to do that again uh which of those two things would be more forgivable if there was a public

00:15:02 record of both of those events like which one would follow you to the grave in society today

00:15:06 exactly and so uh so one um white supremacists are sinners who need jesus and uh and i actually

00:15:12 want to minister to them instead of telling them that uh that that's the one unforgivable sin 0.92

00:15:17 um we we'd carve out uh miles and miles of allowances for uh lgbt for sodomy um but but 0.97

00:15:25 absolutely uh the the blood of christ um there's there's no room to apply it to this one sin of

00:15:31 racism. So I reject that. Secondly, if addressing the problems that are going down, the overreactions,

00:15:40 the way that things have gone the other direction, reverse racism, which is a thing, if even mildly

00:15:46 addressing that is a whistle for white supremacists, then just bring it on. That's not my

00:15:52 intention. That's not what I want to happen. But that is a casualty that I will gladly endure

00:15:56 because this has to be addressed. And we just have to be honest for a moment. There's only

00:16:02 one race that is discriminated against. I don't even like using the word race because we're the

00:16:11 human race. We all descended from Adam and Eve, but one ethnicity, you could use that word.

00:16:15 There's only one ethnicity in our country, at least in the US today. And I would argue in 1.00

00:16:21 in many parts of europe as well but there's only one ethnicity that legally on the books and with

00:16:27 academia and schools and in the workplace and there's only one ethnicity that has legal

00:16:33 objective prejudices against it and it's not the black community it's white people 0.60

00:16:38 we live in a world that is racist and not racist spelled r-a-y but like legitimately racist against

00:16:47 one ethnicity white people and we think that that's wrong we think it's wrong if it's against

00:16:53 minorities and we think it's wrong if it's against uh white people we think it's wrong period and so

00:16:58 we want to talk about it and if one of the repercussions not the intended consequence

00:17:02 but a casualty is that white supremacists get excited and start listening to my podcast

00:17:06 great then maybe they'll hear the gospel and get saved okay so a.a allen aka i'm you know i think

00:17:12 you misspelled your name, Wokey McWilkerson. Buzz off. All right, real quick, we'll get back to it,

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00:19:06 All right. If you're just now joining us, here we go. We've covered Michael Martin Luther King.

00:19:12 I keep doing that because Martin Luther was not actually his real name, but Michael King,

00:19:16 we've covered so far his sexual deviancy in the past regarding his character. Also his dogma

00:19:21 doctrine that was absolutely heretical, not just that he would disagree on secondary or tertiary

00:19:26 items, but denying the bodily resurrection, big, big ticket items. So we've talked about his

00:19:31 doctrine and we've talked about his life in terms of character, but now we want to talk about

00:19:36 some of his political affiliations and fidelity, his allegiance. And then we want to, for those of

00:19:42 you who are just now joining us, the big thing that we want to address in this episode is not

00:19:46 so much Martin Luther King. A lot of people actually did that on Monday, which was encouraging

00:19:50 to see. And a lot of people did it truthfully. The Overton window acceptable discourse really

00:19:54 has shifted quickly. And so we don't want to spend all our time on Martin Luther King. So we'll hit

00:19:59 the Marxist political side of it with MLK. But then moving forward from that, the big focus is

00:20:04 going to be the Civil Rights Act, problems with the Civil Rights Act. Yeah, putting that on people's

00:20:10 radar. Yeah, great. So what's interesting to me in talking about MLK being a Marxist is that

00:20:19 in the time that we live in now,

00:20:21 that might not even be bad, right?

00:20:24 Like, I'm gonna read a quote in a moment,

00:20:27 but MLK could not talk about his Marxist affiliations

00:20:31 in the 60s because of his public ministry.

00:20:35 In other words, it was so assumed

00:20:36 that to be aligned with Marxist

00:20:38 was unbiblical, wicked, and evil,

00:20:41 he couldn't mention it.

00:20:42 It had to be on the down low.

00:20:43 Now, if a guy is associated with Marxist tendencies

00:20:48 or, you know, is part of the Communist Party or whatever.

00:20:51 It's like, well, they're well-intentioned.

00:20:54 They're doing their best to make the world better.

00:20:56 It's better anyway.

00:20:58 Yeah, exactly.

00:20:59 And so even to see in that sense,

00:21:01 like MLK had to hide this at the time.

00:21:03 Now, I don't think he would.

00:21:04 I don't think he would have to necessarily

00:21:06 because we're not convinced that Marxism is an evil,

00:21:09 objectively evil, damaging, destructive,

00:21:12 and ungodly worldview.

00:21:13 But as far as the Marxism goes,

00:21:15 again, this also comes from the wiretaps

00:21:18 that Wes mentioned that the FBI had on him.

00:21:22 And so this is a quote from Levenson, Stanley Levenson,

00:21:28 who was King's legal counsel, advisor,

00:21:34 kind of a guy who was in his organization.

00:21:37 And he was recommending King to another man named Gus Hall.

00:21:41 Gus Hall was the general secretary

00:21:43 of the Communist Party of America.

00:21:45 And so this was Levison trying to communicate to Hall, yeah, you should trust King.

00:21:51 He's on our side with this.

00:21:53 He sees the world the way you did.

00:21:54 And this was what Levison said to Hall.

00:21:56 He said, King is a wholehearted Marxist who has studied it, Marxism, believes in it and

00:22:02 agrees with it, but because of his being a public minister of religion, does not dare

00:22:07 to espouse it publicly.

00:22:09 And so there was a real connection between King and—one of the things that we need to realize is that when communism failed—sorry, when Marxism failed in Europe, the people who were sympathetic to Marxism did not go away.

00:22:28 they moved to the u.s they started you know the frankfurt school um and a lot of of thinkers and

00:22:36 philosophers continued to believe that the world needed to be viewed through conflict oppression

00:22:41 and oppressor and in russia it had been the rich and the poor right but they said okay that's not

00:22:48 going to work in america because the middle class is so content right because capitalism

00:22:51 yes worked so well now today to be fair there are problems with capitalism especially chronic

00:22:55 crony capitalism and we may do an episode on decrying some of the the great you know evils

00:23:00 of capitalism but uh that said at the time uh what we were experiencing with cap this before the 80s

00:23:05 is before shipping every job overseas so you can pay pennies on the dollar and height you know put

00:23:09 your factory in china or whatever uh but this was you know america's heyday and so like the 40s and

00:23:14 the 50s and the uh capitalism was working and it was more ethical versions of capitalism still some

00:23:19 problems but it was working so well that the class warfare in terms of economic class uh that worked

00:23:24 in other places because the gap between, you know, there was no middle class. Middle class 0.51

00:23:28 was a unicorn. That was not even a category. It was the bourgeoisie and the peasants, right? So

00:23:33 it was the rich and the poor. And so that would work. If you see people are super rich and then

00:23:37 you can't eat, then you're angry and you might rally, you might form a revolution. But in America,

00:23:44 you know, you try that Marxist tactic and the majority of America is the middle class. And

00:23:50 they're saying, well, yeah, my boss, he makes, you know, 10 times more than me because he started

00:23:55 the company. And I actually admire that. But what he's paying me, I own a home, I have a car. Now,

00:24:01 granted, they, you know, they did way better than us. And part of it is they were, you know,

00:24:04 they were frugal. It's like, we drink Folgers. It tastes like, you know, coffee that was mixed in

00:24:10 a sock, you know, kind of like Starbucks, you know, but we're fine with it. And so they were

00:24:14 content. They weren't, you know, dropping, you know, $6 every single morning on crappy coffee

00:24:19 at starbucks they were dropping six cents for crappy coffee at home but the point is still

00:24:24 they owned a home they owned a car they did two weeks of vacation they they mowed their grass and

00:24:29 their kids were fed and all these things were so that just wasn't economic class warfare wasn't

00:24:35 incentivizing enough to get a revolt so they knew in america especially given its history with the

00:24:42 transatlantic slavery and race-based slavery they're like there's your ticket yep that's how

00:24:46 And so they, they intentionally drove a wedge. 0.61

00:24:50 They looked for a fracture in American society and they chose, it's, it's, it's, it was an

00:24:56 intentional choice, the, the black and white, um, conflict of the past.

00:25:01 And so the, the Marxist movement, what we have to understand really preceded the civil

00:25:06 rights act of 1964.

00:25:09 There were forces and philosophies that were trying to drive wedges and destroy American integrity, and they picked the black and white issue.

00:25:20 Now, obviously, there were problems.

00:25:22 Jim Crow was a problem. 0.99

00:25:24 Great.

00:25:24 But the point that we need to realize is that there were forces, evil forces, that preceded the Civil Rights Act and the legislation that's come since then, and that King allied himself with those forces.

00:25:38 Right.

00:25:38 Right. And a lot of Christians, they did the same. So a lot of pastors, a lot of parishioners,

00:25:42 they would have been a part of the civil rights movement. And I do think that many of them

00:25:46 were genuine. And that's actually why communism and Marxism, they're so pernicious. We actually

00:25:52 had a saying in this country, better dead than red. It was better to be dead than to be a communist,

00:25:57 than to be so evil. It's such a reprehensible ideology. But what it does is it comes in and 0.99

00:26:02 it says to the poor person, like, well, don't you feel bad for the poor? Don't you want to

00:26:06 see them raised up? Which the answer should be, of course, we want to see human flourishing. But

00:26:10 they'll come in and say, don't you care about these poor workers? Let's go ahead and raise them 0.97

00:26:14 up. Now, what they mean by raise them up is let's go ahead and steal. Let's eliminate the class

00:26:20 above, plunder them, and redistribute their wealth. So they'll sneak that little part in there. Same 1.00

00:26:25 thing when it came to civil rights. Like, don't you care for this community that has been segregated,

00:26:29 they have their own schools, they can't vote, this, that, or the other. Don't you want to see

00:26:33 equality. Now really what they mean by equality is actually a, like you said earlier, a reverse

00:26:38 racism where now the whites are the outgroup. We'll just go ahead and switch this. And a lot of

00:26:43 good Christians went along with it. Well, I care about the least of these. Well, I care about the 1.00

00:26:47 poor. I care about justice. Co-opting those terms, it would be closer to a cultural Marxism rather

00:26:53 than economic Marxism. And these guys were platformed by major evangelical institutions

00:26:57 and conferences, guys like Jamar Tisby, The Color of Compromise. And they weren't saying don't be

00:27:01 racist they were saying in fact they were saying it's not enough not to be racist you have to be

00:27:06 anti-racist which means racism discrimination in the other direction right that white people have

00:27:10 gotten ahead too far and the only way that we can actually have equity equal outcomes rather than 0.51

00:27:15 equality equal opportunity is we actually have to punish uh right you know the you know white 0.66

00:27:20 people the white community in uh this nation and we actually have to steal from them alexander

00:27:24 soljanitsyn the gulag archipelago it's so relevant for our time but he describes that was the way

00:27:30 that they would interrogate people it wasn't enough just to be you know like uh well i'm not

00:27:35 communist but i'm not against you had to be ardently towards and they would put the burden

00:27:39 of proof on you you have to prove that you're not anti-communist which was impossible and he

00:27:44 literally would say like the only standard of justice was interrogators dialectical atheistic

00:27:49 whatever sense he was feeling that day that is cultural marxism you're guilty you have to ardently

00:27:55 show ardently espouse this and if your enthusiasm doesn't even reach the level we want it to

00:28:00 guilty guilty condemned yeah and one thing i just want to pick up on what you said in terms of uh

00:28:06 you know both of you guys said in terms of um you know mok not wanting to be publicly

00:28:11 seen with his affiliations with marxism um that it's it's funny that a serial adulterer

00:28:19 who actually was a marxist uh was ashamed to be publicly aligned with marxists uh and then in

00:28:26 2020 blm which is explicitly like labeled itself on their website publicly as a marxist uh

00:28:33 organization um you got mok who was a bad pastor a heretic who doesn't who even he has enough shame

00:28:41 you know to say i don't want i don't want people to know i'm a marxist and then you have in 2020 0.61

00:28:46 you have evangelical pastors who are marching with blm as they close down their churches for

00:28:52 covet right so they won't they won't meet and administer the lord's supper and preach the

00:28:56 scripture but they will go in large crowds and march with blm which is publicly listed you know

00:29:02 on their own website self-declared as marxist so that just you know shows like uh you know that

00:29:08 the shifting so we're talking about the overton window you know it's shifted drastically from

00:29:12 mlk to 2020 and by god's grace i do think that there's some pushback and shifting back uh in

00:29:18 the right direction however much you hate communism marxism you don't hate it enough it is one of the

00:29:24 most evil ideologies with the greatest body count in this century you need to despise it deeply you

00:29:30 hate your own sin yes but this is one ideology philosophy a worldly one that must be destroyed

00:29:37 Right, top to bottom.

00:29:39 And Wes, you and I were talking about this over the week

00:29:42 and you made the comment, and I agree with you,

00:29:44 I just wanna give you credit,

00:29:45 that this possibly is the most formidable philosophy, 1.00

00:29:52 false worldview that Christianity

00:29:55 has had to deal with so far, right? 0.87

00:29:58 And it just, it is a cancer that just,

00:30:00 because it arrived in a postmodern time too,

00:30:03 where now making truth claims is no longer valid.

00:30:07 And so we can't make objective claims

00:30:09 about the evils of Marxism and cultural Marxism

00:30:13 because someone says,

00:30:14 yeah, but I feel like we should be nicer to people.

00:30:17 And that has equal weight with,

00:30:20 yeah, but look at the body count in Russia.

00:30:21 Right.

00:30:22 Or the USSR, or not even the USSR.

00:30:24 It was, you know, the-

00:30:27 Tens of millions.

00:30:28 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:30:28 Yeah, tens of millions.

00:30:30 China as well.

00:30:30 Yeah, yeah.

00:30:32 Yeah.

00:30:32 Good point.

00:30:33 All right.

00:30:33 So now I think let's go ahead and shift gears

00:30:35 and talk about civil rights act.

00:30:36 So we owe, I owe a lot of my thinking on this matter to the book that Joel mentioned earlier.

00:30:44 Yeah, An Age, The Age of Entitlement by Christopher Caldwell.

00:30:49 And in the book, he points out his central thesis is that, number one, there was a bait and switch, that America thought it was getting one thing with the Civil Rights Act, and it was actually given something entirely different.

00:31:06 right and that appeals to kind of the goodwill that you were talking about a lot of people of

00:31:10 goodwill said yeah we should end jim crow right this is bad okay and they thought okay we'll pass

00:31:15 civil rights laws and all of a sudden you know we'll have guaranteed equality under the law

00:31:21 for all citizens all people in the country and now we can move on but what really happened was

00:31:27 the civil rights legislation of the 60s which was different by the way than the civil rights

00:31:33 legislation of 1866 which basically just made all people citizens and um able to operate under the

00:31:41 full privileges of the law equal protection yeah yep what happened was it built this um number one

00:31:50 moral um purity that people began to require that everyone else in the nation have you must be

00:32:00 actively, if you're white, you have to feel guilty. And if you, everyone else, you have to 0.63

00:32:06 be actively in favor of crushing any sort of perceived, perceived is the key word, perceived

00:32:13 inequality. And then on the other hand, the legislation for a lot of this, while the Civil

00:32:19 Rights Act was passed by Congress, what happened was they set up a whole bunch of bureaucratic

00:32:23 panels. And so judges would make rulings about certain aspects of life, not life, the law,

00:32:31 and then a non-elected bureaucratic panel would come in and it would say, okay, now because of

00:32:37 that, we have to do this, we have to do that. And so it ended up being this huge club that was

00:32:46 leveled against American society and a huge change in the function of what is good and evil,

00:32:52 right a huge perspective shift on right wrong morality the purpose of religion christianity

00:33:00 all of this changed as a result of the civil rights legislation and i would argue caldwell

00:33:06 doesn't say it but the marxist pressure that was behind it all um so that's one place to start any

00:33:11 i was gonna say too um the early 1960s were a time of a lot of people you had the assassination

00:33:17 of jfk you had the wars that had were kind of ending and drawing down you had the baby boomer

00:33:22 generation uh and this happened really really quickly so you have jfk's assassination who was

00:33:27 who was on the forefront of pushing civil rights legislation lyndon b johnson the president comes

00:33:32 in and begins to to spearhead this and he kind of packages it as jfk's last wish like to honor his

00:33:38 legacy we need to push this all the way through we need to ram it all the way through um the

00:33:43 american public was actually saying this is going too fast so there were polling people there saying

00:33:46 how do you feel about the progress of the Civil Rights Act, these different statutes?

00:33:50 It's looking like it's going to pass.

00:33:52 And a lot of them are saying, actually, this is too fast.

00:33:54 I don't know what we're getting into.

00:33:56 It's saying this, but couldn't this be weaponized against?

00:33:58 Like one of the criticisms was, well, won't this mean that we have to do busing,

00:34:02 which means to make schools equal, it has to have equal proportion black here

00:34:06 and equal proportion black here.

00:34:07 Won't that lead to busing?

00:34:09 All the critics were like, no, no, no, no, it won't do that.

00:34:11 And then five years later, they're like, yeah, actually, now because of this law,

00:34:14 from the top down all the way at the federal government we do now have to bus across town to

00:34:19 make sure that these schools are equal so they got that's honestly i'm cracking up because it

00:34:24 makes me think i'm just picturing obama uh with the obamacare it's like uh this won't make your

00:34:30 insurance your health insurance go up i promise it won't do that you know that that one it didn't

00:34:36 even take five years but just almost immediately it's like my insurance doubled you know so but

00:34:40 But yeah, that's the play is like, no, we're just saying this, but then, but then what

00:34:45 you do, and, and again, this is to be fair, to write real problems.

00:34:48 Now, not always, sometimes it's just a farce, but sometimes there are real problems like

00:34:52 Jim Crow, things that actually are against God's law that actually are wrong, that actually

00:34:56 are sinful.

00:34:58 And so you're writing a real problem, but the, but, but you're writing a problem with

00:35:02 the wrong tool, you know, like it's, it's an overreaction or, or you're, you're doing

00:35:06 something that um this does write the problem but it uh but it creates um something that can be

00:35:12 weaponized um to to create a new problem real quick i just wanted to read uh the the 14th

00:35:17 amendment because you know in terms of the civil rights act well where would it be rooted you know

00:35:21 like where where uh constitutionally where do you find you know the the lenience in order to to have

00:35:27 this act in the first place so 14th amendment says no state shall make or enforce any law which

00:35:32 shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States, nor shall any

00:35:37 state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property without due process of law, nor deny

00:35:44 to any person within its jurisdiction, the equal protection, equal protection of the laws. So a

00:35:49 couple of comments on that real quick. First, key words, phrase, no state. But the way that the

00:35:55 Civil Rights Act was immediately, well, not immediately, but soon began to be employed

00:36:02 and used was not in regards to the state pertaining to legality and laws, equal protection

00:36:09 under the law, equal opportunity under the law, equal rights under the law, equal right

00:36:15 to defense and all those kinds of things, attorney, you know, all that kind of stuff.

00:36:19 That's not, that wasn't the end of it.

00:36:21 What quickly happened was it got out of the realm of the state and it was applied to free

00:36:26 enterprise to private businesses in terms of who they should hire by law, legally, and also not

00:36:34 just in their hiring practices, but even in their patronage and who they had to allow into their

00:36:40 store and who they had to serve and all these kinds of things. And for the record, I'm not

00:36:44 saying, I just want to be clear, I'm not saying that a bunch of white businesses serving blacks 0.94

00:36:51 in the back alley or in the kitchen because they're not allowed was a good thing. That's not 0.96

00:36:57 the point that I'm making. The point that I'm making is that by the power of the gospel

00:37:01 and with the change, the gospel affecting culture, that culturally, without the state having to get

00:37:08 involved, without a law necessarily being put in place, culturally, what would, I believe,

00:37:12 inevitably had happened is that white businesses that were genuinely racist, that had no reason

00:37:19 for suspicion towards a certain people group or something, but they were generally racist. It was

00:37:23 rooted in anger or envy or whatever it might've been. I believe that over time and not over

00:37:28 hundreds of years, but within less than well, less than a decade, they would have naturally

00:37:32 gone out of business because the people as a culture was changing, being formed by the gospel

00:37:36 and these kinds of things. I think that the people would have said, Hey, we've got two choices for

00:37:41 pancakes. You can eat at Mr. Racist pancake house or you can eat at this other pancake house. And

00:37:48 And naturally, so people would have shifted their patronage, and you punish the businesses

00:37:53 in that way.

00:37:54 But instead, think about this for a second.

00:37:56 How has this been used?

00:37:57 The way that this has been used is DEI, diversity, equity, inclusion, with Delta, airline, to

00:38:03 where all of a sudden now you have to, it's not even diversity anymore.

00:38:06 They're championing and bragging about having an all-black crew or an all-women's crew.

00:38:13 It's not diversity. 0.71

00:38:14 it's it's just it's actually mono uh mono ethnic or or mono you know uh gender but in the opposite

00:38:21 direction and then you have doors of the airplane flying off in midair because they didn't go for

00:38:26 the best pilot they didn't go for uh merit they didn't go for uh the most experience or hours

00:38:31 being clocked in they just went for um you know what's politically correct and and so now you have

00:38:39 to like if you fly delta you seriously need to call into question um your safety like if you're

00:38:44 flying delta you need to kiss your wife and kiss your kids and let them know it is you know it's

00:38:49 always nobody knows what what god has for us you know nobody can number his days but if you're

00:38:54 flying delta you can just about number your days the number of your days is how many days you have

00:38:58 between now and your next flight with delta you know so all that being said my point is that's

00:39:03 how it got used and one other factor and we don't have to go i'll throw it back to you guys but one

00:39:07 other factor that has to be considered is that the civil rights act paved the way for uh lgbt

00:39:13 madness um and and uh the whole lgbt lmnop um you know mafia they uh they hijacked the civil rights

00:39:23 act and said we're included in this too um this is talking about us too we are a people group we're 0.71

00:39:28 we're um a group dynamic and uh and this is my orientation it starts at birth this isn't a choice

00:39:34 it's not a lifestyle it's who i am just like the color of your skin uh this too is is innate to my

00:39:39 identity and then all of a sudden um it's not just uh that that you have to uh enforce certain

00:39:46 practices like the civil rights act uh there's a direct line from that to affirmative action

00:39:50 well right and then because successive bills that were passed regarding civil rights kept

00:39:57 adding protected classes right right so originally it was just um whether you had been a slave or not

00:40:03 in 1866 and then it was um race ethnicity um sex um that sort of thing and the the list keeps going

00:40:13 and so we have what west said earlier is is now all the way down to um basically what's in place

00:40:20 is anyone who can claim to be oppressed anyone who can complain to be a victim and claim that

00:40:26 and claim that they have some kind of innate identity and claim that they have some sort of

00:40:30 innate identity and then the definition of that oppression is they just won't let me do what i

00:40:36 want right anyone can now be given protected class status and now all of the weight of all

00:40:43 of the laws and uh rulings over the last you know decades suddenly quote-unquote protects them and

00:40:51 here's the the demonic irony if i could say that phrase just one more time going back to the 14th

00:40:57 amendment first it's not saying private businesses it's not saying churches it's not saying this it

00:41:01 says states the government uh the the the civil magistrate must must be uh exercise equality not

00:41:10 equity equality of outcome but equality of uh equal protection um equal opportunity those kinds

00:41:17 of things in a legal sense uh for all all people groups uh but it got applied to the private sector

00:41:24 it got applied and in all these other ways and here's here's the demonic irony and i think it's

00:41:29 a proper phrase um the thing that's actually in the 14th amendment um is in a legal sense uh and

00:41:36 one of the things just to read it again is uh nor shall any state deprive any person of life

00:41:42 liberty or property without due process of law nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction

00:41:47 the equal protection of the laws. What I would say is not in the 14th Amendment is the Civil

00:41:55 Rights Act. What I would say is in the 14th Amendment, in terms of a people group that is

00:42:00 punished by the state and not offered equal protection, there's only one group. It's not

00:42:05 black, it's not white, it's the unborn. The unborn on the books, we're not talking about private

00:42:10 enterprises, we're talking about laws. On the books, legally, there's only one class of people, 0.69

00:42:16 one group of people in these United States that don't have equal protection, meaning that you can 1.00

00:42:21 harm them or more specifically in this case, kill them and rip them up into literal pieces and suck 1.00

00:42:29 them out with a vacuum cleaner. There's only one group that can be killed, not only harmed, 1.00

00:42:34 but killed without equal protection with impunity, basically a slap on the wrist or nothing when it

00:42:39 comes to the mother. And that is the unborn. It's not gay people. It's not black people.

00:42:46 it's not this people it's the unborn so the unborn we're not even living up to the 14th 0.77

00:42:50 amendment and for the record i like the 14th amendment guys you know guys know that um that

00:42:54 i have you know some things that i would maybe want to repeal the 14th amendment's not one of

00:42:59 them i would just like to actually follow the 14th amendment and apply it accurately states

00:43:04 not private enterprises and uh equal protection um and the only people who are not equally protected

00:43:10 right now are the unborn not some ethnic minority uh class so that's that's my thoughts on that

00:43:16 but the civil rights act went way further than the 14th amendment and that's exactly the civil

00:43:22 rights act there's a straight line it's not like oh we couldn't have seen it or this is random or

00:43:27 i don't know the straight line from the civil rights act to diversity equity inclusion wokeness

00:43:33 critical race theory all of that came out of that west good you want to make a comment real quick

00:43:37 and then we'll we'll hear from our last sponsor it creates a de facto new constitution it was

00:43:42 benjamin franklin correct me if i'm wrong what do we have a democracy if we can keep it uh we

00:43:46 didn't keep it because we have a new constitution that now says republic if you can keep it uh you

00:43:51 did correct me good um it now says like the first amendment says that you have freedom uh congress

00:43:57 shall not make any law abridging um your freedom of religion freedom association well now it is

00:44:03 restricted i want to start a men's only gym but no you can't i want to start a men's only golf club

00:44:07 no you can't there is a new protected statuses that they're literally above our constitution

00:44:12 private business for private businesses not just publicly or state like you said private businesses

00:44:17 now have a new constitution that is about 60 years old so we are in a constitutional republic

00:44:21 and that's why everybody's like oh my constitution it's like we're not constitution haters i love the

00:44:27 constitution even with the people say well you don't love the constitution because you deny the

00:44:31 you know the first amendment uh well you know because you're a christian nationalist or you're

00:44:35 general equity theonomist. No, it's the same thing with the first amendment. Look at the first word

00:44:39 and the same thing with the 14th, no state, right? Well, in the first amendment, it's Congress shall

00:44:44 make no law. So Congress could not make a law to have a federal that is at the national level to

00:44:49 have a state church. But states, individual states could have churches. And out of the 13 original

00:44:55 colonies, 10 of those 13 original colonies did have churches. And I'm not even advocating for a 0.79

00:45:00 state church like the state of texas or the state of connecticut um i don't even think that that

00:45:05 would be a good idea but the only thing that the first amendment says is that congress um not not

00:45:10 individual states but that congress at the federal level nationally can't have a state church where

00:45:15 these united states are you know um presbyterian church of america and that's the you know that's

00:45:20 the only thing that uh the first uh amendment uh forbids and then in terms of the equal right of

00:45:25 worship, the founders, you have to take into it authorial intent into play. Like the founders

00:45:31 were not saying, yeah, we want to carve out. And when we say that, you know, there's not going to

00:45:35 be persecution of religious expression, freedom of religion. We want to carve out, you know,

00:45:40 necessary space, you know, in the Iowa state, Ohio state Capitol for a Satan statue. That is

00:45:47 not what they were thinking. They were thinking about different expressions of the Christian

00:45:51 religion, different denominations, they were thinking, we don't want Episcopalians to be

00:45:55 persecuted by the Presbyterians. We don't want Baptists to get the short end of the stick

00:46:00 because of the Anglicans. It was a pan-Protestant movement. It was different denominations and sects

00:46:07 of our common Lord, but it was all within Christianity. The founders did not come with

00:46:14 a dream. We really hope that we'll have multiple, multiple principle pluralism and multiculturalism

00:46:20 to where one day 25% of the population will be Satanists and 25% of them will be atheists and

00:46:26 25% of them will be Hindu and 25% of them might be Christian. That was not, that is not what's

00:46:33 baked into the first amendment. So I like the 14th amendment. I like the first amendment. I think we

00:46:37 need to get back to what they actually mean. The civil rights act, however, is, is not the 14th

00:46:41 Amendment. If it was, then it would be redundant. We already had it. Why wasn't the 14th Amendment

00:46:46 good enough? But they realized it's not good enough. We need to go one step further and apply

00:46:53 this to private enterprise and push. And then the civil rights movement, not only is it wrongly

00:46:58 applied on the ethnic issue, but then it becomes the diving board, the launching pad for the sexual

00:47:06 issue and sexual orientation and and then all of a sudden pretty quickly in the big scheme of

00:47:12 history just you know 60 years here we are um and is the world better i mean even not just the world 0.80

00:47:19 and not just our nation in a general sense but is the black community better right for the civil

00:47:24 rights act or is the black community better relations in 20 yeah are we more racial where's

00:47:30 the racial reconciliation we're racially reconciled now huh no like no there's more racism

00:47:35 um we we got most people pretty much got over it they've done statistics and polls and all these

00:47:40 kinds of things you look in the 1980s and 1990s people were like yeah nobody cared everybody was

00:47:46 pretty much over it um but then the civil rights act gets weaponized and it was always sitting

00:47:52 there as a ticking time bomb ready for this exact moment it begins to get weaponized by the same 0.97

00:47:57 people who pushed it across the you know the finish line in the first place aka the marxists 0.90

00:48:01 and here come these, you know, Marxists and they dust it off and they repurpose it and say, oh,

00:48:06 there's a new application and here we go. And then boom, BLM 2020, all this. And now you look

00:48:12 and you're like, man, we haven't gotten better on race relations since the 80s and the 90s.

00:48:18 Things have been substantially worse and substantially worse, ironically, for everybody,

00:48:23 but for the black community, the black community was thriving before the civil rights act.

00:48:28 that there was again we talked about that in the beginning of the episode but marriages remained

00:48:33 intact at like close to 90 thomas soul talks about this you know uh 90 percentile um even even more

00:48:39 intact marriages uh long term than even within the white community uh people were thriving um and

00:48:45 then it got demolished and lyndon b johnson i believe it's johnson right who allegedly said

00:48:49 you know with this legislation i'll have those in words voting democrat for the next 200 years

00:48:55 and the legislation being welfare right what were you saying let's go ahead no his great society

00:49:01 like it decimated right trillions and trillions of dollars all said and done to make people way

00:49:06 worse off than when it started yeah so yeah some nefarious things and we need to know we need these

00:49:11 are things that are important to know we're not saying this um in order to uh overreact and say

00:49:17 all right so let's just become you know neo-nazis and white supremacists no that's that's not helpful

00:49:21 but we are saying this to say look our current problem if you think our current problem 1.00

00:49:25 is white supremacy then i got a bridge to sell you you're stupid seriously like you need to wake 1.00

00:49:31 up take that as a pastoral rebuke if you think i'm not saying that you have to believe that no 1.00

00:49:35 one is is a white supremacist but if you think the headline issue in american society today 1.00

00:49:41 is um is white supremacy then you are an idiot you're a fool you may not be wicked or sinister 1.00

00:49:47 or malicious in your motives and intent, but you have been played like a fiddle. You should feel 1.00

00:49:52 ashamed. You should feel foolish. You are a fool. Right now, white supremacy is not the headline. 1.00

00:49:58 It may be way down buried in the footnotes is yes, technically there are 13 white supremacists

00:50:03 over here in a corner of this state. In a trailer park in Alabama. Yeah, in a trailer park in

00:50:07 Alabama with absolutely no money and no power, no influence to speak of. But the headline of the

00:50:11 story is not white supremacy. The headline of the story today, if anything, is white racism.

00:50:17 it's racism against white people um and right you know not racism but it's prejudice against uh

00:50:23 against whites it's prejudice against males it's prejudice against heterosexuality and it's 0.63

00:50:30 prejudice against evangelical christians if you want if you want to actually be uh despised um 0.75

00:50:37 then then be a white male heterosexual evangelical christian in america yeah that's that's just

00:50:45 that's them's the facts yeah all right let's go ahead and keep going and you go to a break oh

00:50:51 yeah we got to go to a break thank you michael appreciate that here's our last sponsor of the

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00:51:45 great well wrapping it up um we talked about martin luther king the civil rights act what

00:51:54 that's kind of created a new constitution just to give a practical example of the way this

00:51:58 manifests very recently so the civil rights act created these protected classes you cannot be

00:52:03 discriminated on the basis of race and of sex of national origin etc we have there's six total

00:52:08 uh bostock versus clayton county this was a supreme court case in 2020 the supreme court ruled so this

00:52:14 would have been at the time, I think it had a five, four liberal splits. This would have been before

00:52:19 the last justice, Amy Comey Barrett. They decided that in that term, sex, so discrimination,

00:52:25 the basis of sex is not allowed. What that includes with it is gender identity, whatever

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00:52:37 business, you cannot fire someone on that basis. This individual is making people uncomfortable,

00:52:43 this out of the other you would get a lawsuit as fast as you can you can see i think about kim

00:52:48 davis uh she's the was it might have been the cake or it might have been another service and 1.00

00:52:53 these gay individuals targeted her came in and demanded that she make paraphernalia for them or 1.00

00:52:58 for their wedding on purpose they want her business because they knew she wouldn't do it 0.87

00:53:02 and they wanted to ruin her life and now the first amendment says that she has freedom of religion 1.00

00:53:06 right? Wrong. This new constitution then said, I believe it was decided in her favor, but now

00:53:13 she's facing $300,000 worth of legal fees to be able to practice her religion. We can get into

00:53:20 it, but that's really what this creates is a new religion, a DEI, a wokeness religion. It has its

00:53:26 creeds. It has its high figures, its Kendi's, its Jamar Tisby's. It has its high figures, its creeds,

00:53:33 it's sacraments, it's texts. It has all of these different things functionally in place of what

00:53:39 was once a Christian nation. Right. And it's not just a new religion. It really is. The Civil 0.99

00:53:43 Rights Act became, as Christopher Caldwell says in the Age of Entitlement, it became a new

00:53:47 constitution. And I like the way that he describes it. He says the constitution was so intact in our 0.66

00:53:53 nation and so revered. And a lot of people still pay lip service and tip of the hat and salute

00:53:58 the constitution and, and, you know, optically externally appear to revere the constitution. So

00:54:03 even to this day, um, but because of that, because of so much reverence with the constitution,

00:54:08 uh, which, which even I possess, I love the constitution. I just, the difference between

00:54:13 me and the, you know, the classical liberal who wants to, you know, get back to the, in the 1980s,

00:54:17 you know, who's, who's anti-woke, but hates Christian nationalism. And, you know, it's like

00:54:22 Christ is Lord, but not really, uh, the difference between me and that guy, you fill in the blank,

00:54:26 i won't name them um but there's a lot of them uh is is not that they love the constitution i don't

00:54:31 um it's that uh i know what time it is and they don't um what i'm saying is not that the

00:54:36 constitution is flawed what i'm saying is that we don't have the constitution everybody still

00:54:40 pays it lip service and pretends to revere it but as christopher caldwell i think rightly

00:54:44 describes he says the constitution was so revered you couldn't get rid of it you couldn't blow it

00:54:50 up you couldn't replace it um so what you had to do was you had to create a de facto is what he

00:54:55 calls it the de facto constitution that doesn't replace it but uh just sits over the actual

00:55:00 constitution like a glass case but it becomes the new uh reference point from then on um and so it's

00:55:07 like uh it's we're not going to blow up the constitution oh we love the constitution but

00:55:11 you're going to put it under this de facto constant uh new constitution that's like a glass

00:55:15 case but it's like a um a glass case that's tinted like a tint like a like a different color

00:55:20 lens. And so we're going to put it over. And now every time we're still using the original

00:55:25 constitution, but from now on, whenever we read the constitution, the constitution actually says

00:55:31 this, but we see it saying that, right? So the 14th amendment still says what it always said

00:55:36 since its reception. But now when we read the 14th amendment, we read civil rights act.

00:55:42 And then when you read the civil rights act, you now read DEI, you know, and LGBT LMNOP.

00:55:49 so that's the problem so it's not that uh oh christian nationalists hate the constitution

00:55:53 or this uh you know the republic's great if you can keep it the difference between the christian

00:55:58 nationalists and the classical liberal you know christian guy who hates wokeness but but uh doesn't

00:56:05 really want to go all the way um and and do what we need to do uh for christ jesus to truly be lord

00:56:11 not just in a private you know ethereal spiritual 17th dimension way but in a real tangible political

00:56:16 way the difference between the christian nationalists or whatever you want to call it

00:56:20 like there are different things christian nationalists but you know um the difference

00:56:24 between that guy and the guy who you know wants to turn back the clock to the 1980s

00:56:28 is uh not that one loves the constitution the other doesn't um it's just realizing what time

00:56:32 it is um we're going to say yeah a republic in terms of form of of government that's different

00:56:37 the constitution that opens another conversation but in terms of forms of government uh i think

00:56:41 that a constitutional republic is a great form of government i don't think that it's explicitly

00:56:46 prescribed in scripture to where any other form of government is inherently sinful. I don't think

00:56:51 that. I do believe that God can use a monarchy. I believe that God... But I do like, if you're

00:56:56 asking me what I think is good and what I think I can defend really well from scripture,

00:57:01 a constitutional republic I think is great. A raw democracy I think is probably the worst form of

00:57:06 government and I think actually would be inherently sinful. Every biblical example of the people,

00:57:11 just raw vote of the people is Pilate giving it to the people. What do you want to do?

00:57:16 kill the son of God, Jesus, or like in Israel, what do you want to do? The people give us a 0.93

00:57:21 king at every single level. Or what do you want to do? You just got out of Egypt. Moses is up on

00:57:25 the mountain. He's been gone a while. The people said, let's start idolatry and make this golden

00:57:30 calf. So anytime you see the people voting on something or pressuring something, it's universally

00:57:37 negative in the scripture. So raw democracy, I think, is a really bad idea. But I do like a

00:57:42 constitutional republic the difference though again is we're sitting here saying we like a

00:57:47 constitutional republic as a form of government and we like our constitution with these united

00:57:50 states um but the difference is we're just saying uh but but the constitution has not been the law

00:57:56 of the land for a very long time well the irony there joel is there's a lot of christians who get

00:58:02 like you just said really concerned and upset about the idea of christian nationalism

00:58:07 and then the straw man comes,

00:58:10 well, you want a theocracy.

00:58:12 The reality is,

00:58:13 is I was researching this

00:58:14 and reading Caldwell's book

00:58:15 and just kind of thinking through,

00:58:17 in a sense,

00:58:18 we currently do live in a theocracy.

00:58:21 There is a religion of diversity,

00:58:24 equity, and inclusion

00:58:25 that came through the hammer of the government

00:58:29 through the civil rights legislation

00:58:32 and then the pressure on businesses

00:58:35 and states and individual citizens.

00:58:38 And so the irony is we live in something much closer to a theocracy right now than really

00:58:47 we ever have at any point in American history. 0.92

00:58:49 And the reason why I bring this up is because this is a Christian issue.

00:58:56 This is an issue for pastors to think about.

00:58:58 It's almost impossible to think about civic duty or love of neighbor.

00:59:06 So the political good and the good that we ought to do because we are Christians.

00:59:12 It's almost impossible to think about civic duty and love of neighbor without seeing it, like you just said, through the lens of what is this doing about minorities?

00:59:22 What is this doing about the so-called oppressed around me?

00:59:26 Or even outside of our country.

00:59:28 It was a student about immigrants. 1.00

00:59:29 Correct. 0.93

00:59:30 That is the litmus test, the baseline, and really the final arbiter of whether or not

00:59:37 something is good legal policy and good Christian teaching.

00:59:41 We'll tell this story, too.

00:59:42 We're always telling stories about ourselves, events, but we'll tell this story about America

00:59:46 through that new lens that at its founding, America made this radical promise.

00:59:51 No matter who you were, where you came from, what you are, you had the right to life, liberty,

00:59:55 freedom, pursuit of happiness. 0.91

00:59:56 made this promise but it was racist and it needed a civil war and then it needed the women's suffrage

01:00:01 movement and then it needed the civil rights and now seeing the whole thing progress for 200 years

01:00:07 is the virtue progress progress progress more rights more openness more inclusion well now

01:00:12 we're at the stage where we need to open it to supposedly unnatural unions after all if we had

01:00:17 200 years of progress of trying to make good on this promise that we made to anyone who would

01:00:22 come to america well why not the next stage so the conservative he's like 15 minutes behind like no

01:00:27 no enough progress but we're telling the story and that train doesn't stop if you have that

01:00:31 vocabulary you kind of talk in that way like well america was this racist nation and we had to do

01:00:35 all this work uh well stop it that's not the story of america we were a godly nation on christian

01:00:41 principles that aim to be a city on a hill and do not make one of the most massive uh footnotes

01:00:47 the massive headline that is not the story of america and conservatives will even tell that

01:00:51 story. Yeah. Right. About America. Yep. No, you're right. Yeah. Conservatives, uh, John Doyle is

01:00:56 somebody interesting. Uh, he's got a YouTube channel. You can check him out. Um, I, I just

01:01:01 was talking to you guys and asked if you listened to him before we started recording, you said you

01:01:04 did. And I wasn't curious, I, or I wasn't certain about his, um, his Christian faith. I could, you

01:01:10 know, he talks about being a Christian. You guys said he's Catholic, you know, so, um, so, you know,

01:01:14 if he says something against the five solos, you know, take it with a grain of salt. But, uh,

01:01:18 other than that, he's got some incredible commentary. He's highly intelligent, very well

01:01:23 spoken, young, he seems like he's a zoomer, but he's very intelligent and very well read and very 1.00

01:01:28 informed. But he made a joke on one of his recent videos that I thought was hilarious. And it was 0.98

01:01:35 in reference to, you know, Martin Luther King and the subject of this video. He said, you know,

01:01:40 he said in 15 years, I can't remember the number of years, but you know, he said in the future and

01:01:44 not that far from now you'll have guys this is just the nature of conservatives because they're

01:01:49 losers but you'll have guys who'll say like i'm a george floyd conservative right and he said that's

01:01:56 that is how conservatives of the day during martin luther king's time would have thought of us now 0.99

01:02:02 they would have said you cowardly push over fool yeah you're a martin luther king conservative 0.98

01:02:10 like what are you talking about he was a marxist an adulterer he was used to push for the civil 0.98

01:02:18 rights act that took away our freedoms this that and the other right it'd be like okay i'm just

01:02:23 gonna i'm gonna say so george floyd conservative right uh that you know and and john doyle he even

01:02:28 said you know conservatives will say well really but he was standing up against fiat currency by

01:02:32 using a fake counterfeit 20 dollar bill you know he's a conservative you know i'm a george floyd

01:02:36 conservative um and and he was calling for his mom right so still a strong sense of family ties

01:02:41 you know but it's it's funny but it's sad because he's probably right 20 years from now

01:02:48 the conservatives will be i'm a george floyd conservative and that's the same as as people

01:02:52 today saying i'm a you know michael martin luther king uh conservative and it's the same as people

01:02:57 um you know 50 years ago saying i'm an abraham lincoln conservative abraham lincoln was not

01:03:03 a conservative yeah um he he was not i would say that other than maybe obama uh joe biden is

01:03:10 terrible but he's a corpse and it's really the puppets you know using him i think that's more

01:03:14 of a regime thing than it is biden uh so i think in terms of the man actual presidents i think that 0.82

01:03:19 obama is worse than biden um and i really this is obama's third term uh so i think obama is worse

01:03:25 than biden um but i think other than obama um abraham lincoln is is for me would be up there

01:03:33 Woodrow Wilson would be also in there.

01:03:35 Lyndon B. Johnson would be in there.

01:03:36 But other than a few of those guys,

01:03:38 I'd say top five worst presidents,

01:03:42 Abraham Lincoln would be in my top five

01:03:44 in terms of destroying the fabric of the nation. 1.00

01:03:46 And what's so interesting about that too

01:03:47 is a lot of the legislation

01:03:51 that came out of the Civil War

01:03:53 was so badly considered, right?

01:03:57 I mean, the Emancipation Proclamation

01:03:59 proclamation with no plan of what to do about all of these emancipated former slaves.

01:04:08 I mean, in a lot of ways, Jim Crow was a result of a very poorly considered

01:04:13 Emancipation Proclamation.

01:04:15 And if it was just about the slaves, then they could have spent less money.

01:04:19 It would have been cheaper to buy every single slave in the United States and set them free.

01:04:24 And you could have bought all of them and given them something to start with.

01:04:28 but it wasn't fundamentally about slavery i'm not saying slavery had nothing to do with the civil

01:04:32 war right um but if you think that it wasn't also political in in uh moving away from federalism the

01:04:38 decentralization of civil power to the states and moving it towards a national government

01:04:43 centralizing power uh that that was one of the fundamental issues and the north won and the

01:04:50 confederacy lost and the nation changed forever so i'm i'm not on uh the team pro-slavery over here

01:04:56 at least not certainly not a race-based lifelong you know that kind of slavery i indentured

01:05:01 servanthood for someone who's in debt in order to pay off their debts a biblical like fun uh but

01:05:05 but my point is um i'm not over here saying the fabric of the nation was changed because we lost

01:05:10 slaves uh no i'm saying the fabric of the nation was changed in terms of civil power and political

01:05:14 power and the way that it was exercised and it was changed for the worse not for the better and

01:05:18 if it really was just about slavery uh well 12 different nations western nations ended slavery

01:05:25 We're the only one that did it at the cost of the lives of 650,000 people in a war, right?

01:05:31 All these other people were able, all these other nations were able to end slavery peacefully.

01:05:35 How come ours was a bloodbath?

01:05:37 How come it was still, like, that's not a coincidence.

01:05:41 It's not that we're the only people who wanted to, that nation that wanted to end slavery.

01:05:45 Everybody else, all these other Western nations, they wanted to end it too.

01:05:48 They did end it, and they ended it peacefully.

01:05:51 But we ended it with blood.

01:05:53 And I think if we think it's just merely a coincidence that we ended slavery violently and that that's not one of the reasons why we have the worst race relations of Western nations currently, I think it's, Doug Wilson has said this.

01:06:12 So I don't want to sit here and pretend like I'm, you know, reinvented, you know, invented the wheel for the first time of being original.

01:06:17 But he said he believes that our current race relations is God's judgment for the Civil War.

01:06:23 Listen to this quote from Robert E. Lee. 0.99

01:06:25 I haven't verified it, but I believe it to be true.

01:06:27 He said, the consolidation of the states into one vast empire, sure to be aggressive abroad and despotic at home, will be the certain precursor of ruin, which has overwhelmed all that preceded it. 0.98

01:06:38 he saw if you consolidate all of that you will set the precedent for civil rights and a new regime

01:06:44 or a new new idea will sweep the nation and the federal government will have everything in its

01:06:49 power to enforce it yep you're absolutely right so my point is i mean you could go from the civil

01:06:55 war and what lincoln did um and draw a line from that you know to civil rights you know and draw

01:07:00 a line from that to dei and wokeness and so the point is history matters and and uh and what we're

01:07:06 trying to say is uh uh to avoid 15 years from now being a george floyd conservatives that's not

01:07:14 that's embarrassing that's not where i want to be right uh that's not where you want to be when

01:07:18 jesus comes back a george floyd conservative so in order to avoid that fateful end um we we want

01:07:24 to say uh we we can't do what conservatives always do and here's what conservatives always do they do

01:07:29 a lot of lousy things but here's one of them um uh they they they say stop they say uh leave me

01:07:36 alone or even you know like don't tread on me which is ultimately uh that's not a threat of

01:07:41 of executing power justly against the wicked um it's it don't tread on me is just a antiquated

01:07:48 way of saying leave me alone uh and you know it's been said many times but it's true uh the side

01:07:52 that uh the side that wants to to um take over is always going to you know that wants to win is

01:07:58 always going to beat the side that wants to just be left alone and so conservatives one uh we can't

01:08:02 just be, don't mess with me or don't tread on me, leave me alone. We actually have to have a plan.

01:08:07 We have to be able to wield power. Power is not inherently wrong. It's wrong if you're using power

01:08:12 wickedly, it's good if you're using it righteously. So we need to embrace power, pick it up and use it

01:08:16 against the enemies of God and those who do things wickedly. But then secondly, we also have to go

01:08:24 back. Conservatives, what they always say is they say, stop. Stop here. Yeah, exactly. A conservative

01:08:30 uh will will uh spend his life uh fighting for the victories of yesterday's liberal yep that's

01:08:38 what a conservative does a conservative all the conservative is he's no different than a progressive

01:08:42 uh he he's just uh he's just yesterday's progressive that's all he is he's he is

01:08:47 literally giving his life to cement um the victories of of his dad's um of his dad's enemies

01:08:55 and not even his dad's in some cases like like his older brother who's only three years older

01:09:00 than him. So anyway, so how do we actually get back to righteousness? Well, we can't just go

01:09:05 back 15 minutes and we can't just say, you know what, this is enough righteousness. We just don't,

01:09:10 our goal is not to say we don't want any more wickedness. Our goal is to say the current

01:09:15 wickedness that we have is wicked and we want to get rid of that. So we don't want to just say,

01:09:20 stop here, no further. We want to actually go back and say, where did we get off the rails?

01:09:25 And we didn't just get off the rails in the 2020s.

01:09:29 We didn't just get off the rails three years ago with COVID.

01:09:32 All these were just signs of something that had been set up and allowed for, really, if we go back far enough, even outside of these United States, within just the West in a larger sense for centuries.

01:09:46 So those are the things that we want to discuss.

01:09:48 And today we focus our attention on MLK and civil rights.

01:09:53 And I hope that it's been helpful.

01:09:53 any final thoughts from you guys? I want to say, you know, MLK is compelling because he's a heroic,

01:10:00 he's been cast as a heroic figure. And Wes, you mentioned earlier that we need stories, right? And

01:10:06 we need to be honest as Christians, but we also need better mythological people. We need to be

01:10:15 creating, not creating, but telling and retelling even nationally virtuous, heroic stories.

01:10:23 And certainly as Christians, we need to be putting forward, creating, writing, telling, reinforcing, commending to our children and our neighbors stories of true virtue, of true righteousness, of true civic, national worth and merit.

01:10:40 And, you know, part of the reasons why conservatives are losing is because we're not telling good stories anymore.

01:10:47 And MLK has been fashioned as a compelling story, and so we buy it.

01:10:50 right yep right one final practical thought um it's it's going to take a lot of work it's going

01:10:57 to take a lot of blood sweat and tears by god's grace to hopefully see the civil rights act

01:11:02 overturned or replaced with something righteous in its place but speaking practically if you're

01:11:06 a business owner and you're like i don't want this constitution hanging over my head

01:11:09 well cases like this they'll go up to district and circuit courts and you know who appointed a

01:11:14 lot of great conservative judges hundreds of them donald trump so next week lord willing we'll talk

01:11:20 about voting for donald trump as a christian can you should you yeah and what's a good case for it

01:11:25 no yeah that's a good teaser for next week and speaking of trump uh one thing with mok or abraham

01:11:30 lincoln or jfk uh one way to be viewed um within history sympathetically is to get assassinated

01:11:37 and uh donald j trump um man if i could think of anybody who legitimately might get assassinated

01:11:45 you know what i heard someone the other day said said his best bet is to pick a vp if he's the

01:11:50 nominee who's more conservative and right wing than him right because then if they assassinate

01:11:55 trump they're stuck with someone even worse than him yeah that would be yeah that'd be a good goal

01:12:00 all right well thanks for tuning in and we hope to see you guys again at 4 p.m central time on

01:12:05 wednesday next week and just if you're joining us for the first time just here's the lay of the land

01:12:08 we have uh three shows a week monday wednesday friday uh so monday and it's all 4 p.m central

01:12:14 time. So it's on Twitter and on YouTube, whatever you want to use. So Monday at 4 p.m. Central

01:12:19 time, that's where I interview somebody remotely. And so we call that the interview. And then we

01:12:24 call this the live stream. So that's Wednesday at 4 p.m. Central time, both again, Twitter and

01:12:29 YouTube. That's me and Wesley Todd and Michael Belch. And then lastly, Friday at 4 p.m. Central

01:12:35 time, that's called The Special. And that's where I fly notable guests from all over to join you for

01:12:40 a deep dive where we do multiple episodes on a whole season. And so right now we've got that

01:12:45 going with Andrew Isker and A.D. Robles and myself. It's a nine part series. We've released

01:12:49 the first two episodes and on Friday, the third episode will air, but nine episodes all on Andrew

01:12:54 Isker's book, The Boniface Option. So that's Friday at 4 p.m. So Monday, Wednesday, Friday,

01:12:59 4 p.m. Central Time. You've got the interview, the live stream and the special. So come and

01:13:03 check us out, Twitter or YouTube. All right.

01:13:10 Thank you.

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