What if I told you that most modern Christians have completely missed one of God's most foundational purposes for mankind? not just missed it, but forgotten it, ignored it, and even denied it? We re not talking about something minor here, we re talking about why God created the world in the first place, what He expects humanity to do with it and, crucially, how He intends for us to do it.
00:01:00.000God created nations, that is, distinct peoples in distinct lands, for the express purpose of
00:01:08.340stewarding the earth. Nations are not an accident of history or a necessary evil in a fallen world.
00:01:17.160They are the fundamental unit of dominion. And yet, most churches today act as if nations
00:01:24.240are at best irrelevant, and at worst, idolatrous.
00:01:29.760Creation care? That's the buzzword today,
00:01:32.900but much of what goes under the banner is just baptized globalism and soft environmentalism.
00:01:40.160It's stewardship without dominion, guilt without glory, conservation without cultivation.
00:01:48.280It replaces national duty with personal shame and trades biblical fruitfulness for bureaucratic minimalism.
00:01:57.960Meanwhile, we live in an age when our greatest national achievements no longer bring glory to God, but glory to man.
00:02:06.380The Mayflower Compact was a covenant for Christ.
00:02:10.120The moon landing was a monument to mankind.
00:02:13.700Somewhere along the way, we stopped building towers for God and started building Babels for ourselves.
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00:02:46.180In this episode, we walk through a chapter from Michael's new book,
00:02:51.120a deep dive into the Noahic Covenant, the Dominion Mandate, and the Rise of Nations.
00:26:03.740So with that as kind of a preliminary, again, my point there is as we think about Christian
00:26:08.960nationalism and as Christians thinking about their own nation in China or Japan or whatever,
00:26:15.780one of the things that needs to be at the back of our mind, it's not just about
00:26:19.320conversion in laws at some point when a nation is christian it's actually turning the totality of
00:26:26.420its national effort to a stewardship of the land that has god has given to it and that's going to
00:26:31.720produce different things right this is good some countries have timber some countries have you
00:26:36.160know different different resources harness desert power yes absolutely some some are are on arachis
00:26:42.460and um behind our national christian national efforts has to be eventually the goal that we
00:26:53.880would steward the land that god gave us the resources the productions the cities the
00:26:58.220monuments all of that would be for god's glory okay um nate let's go ahead and show a couple
00:27:03.620quotes here i i don't know i guess i'm just showing some of the arguments in the book for
00:27:07.580people who might be interested and if you guys have a comment on them you can react to it so
00:27:11.600let's go with quote number one, Nate. All right, so I say this. I need to point out again that this
00:27:16.680passage comes after the fall. This is the Noahic covenant. We live in the reality of the curse
00:27:23.480through which God put the entire world under a sigh of despair. And often we think that this
00:27:27.940grumbling chord is the only voice, the only notes that the earth has. But like with a cancer patient,
00:27:33.920there are good days and bad days. The earth groans to be sure, but the earth also opens its arms to
00:27:38.680humanity to welcome us and it also lifts its voice to praise the creator when we think of how
00:27:44.380god fine-tuned the earth for life and when we examine how vast the heavens are we ought to
00:27:49.820fall to our knees and kiss the ground not for the ground's sake but in worship to the creator who
00:27:54.680did indeed form the earth to be our home god created places where crops would grow mountains
00:28:00.460where we could mine iron seas and rivers to sail our ships petroleum and the nuclear forces to
00:28:06.620fuel untold multitudes of human activities and at every turn and all throughout history we find
00:28:13.300that god suited the earth to host us his image bearers he has given us the earth so the point
00:28:19.420again that the earth actually is for our dominion it is a home that has been given to us it's not
00:28:26.020the life force that needs to be protected from the evil humans it's not the sacred mother earth that
00:28:32.640we are intruding on. The earth is our home and God gave it to us. And I like what you've said
00:28:38.180before, Michael, in terms of one of the things that would make people distinct peoples and also
00:28:45.600maintain distinctions indefinitely. Because it's like, well, you know, but like with airplanes and
00:28:52.240all that, like with travel and, you know, and as the gospel goes forth, because here's the thing
00:28:57.720that like, this is one of the distinctions, I think, between the Christian nationalists and
00:29:01.180some of the modern theonomists, and you can be a Christian nationalist who's theonomic and those
00:29:06.960kinds of things, but the hardline, you know, modern theonomic kind of guys, they, if you're
00:29:13.680not careful, like they, they kind of think that, you know, that everything is, doesn't just stem
00:29:20.140from, from Christian faith, but is like directly correlated can, you know, like a one-to-one
00:29:25.460correlation from like you know from culture to cuisine to art to science to like everything is
00:29:32.920just straight from the scripture and if that's the case then really the only distinctions you
00:29:37.760would have from from you know different nations is really just um steps along you know it'd be
00:29:43.520one path and it'd just be who's further down and who's less far you know so like more sanctified
00:29:48.240as a people yeah exactly like what's the difference between you know in that in that scenario with
00:29:52.600that presupposition what's the difference between england and ethiopia well england's just better
00:29:57.540right just more like christ you know in ethiopia uh what will ethiopia look like in a thousand
00:30:03.240years exactly like england today you know like you know if if they you know and so whereas the
00:30:10.480christian nationalists um are like no god made distinct peoples and and grace doesn't obliterate
00:30:17.280or replace or destroy nature but rather elevates and restores and you made a really good argument
00:30:22.000And I remember talking to you about this as you were in the process of writing the book.
00:30:24.900But you said that one of the natural aspects that's not obliterated by grace, but rather heightened and restored to its full beauty, is the land itself.
00:30:35.460And that the land is actually one of the things that God built into the rubric of the world to both create and maintain the distinctions between peoples.
00:30:44.960that um peoples who live in the alps will probably always be different even not just
00:30:51.840color of their skin but but like all the way down to certain cultural aspects and
00:30:55.820all this then then people who live in a desert you know near the equator you know and so like
00:31:01.540people who live uh on rivers and seas would be different than you know people who live you know
00:31:07.340predominantly in forests you know and so like there would be different see that difference in
00:31:11.040the germans versus the italians italy has always been much closer to a city state and even today
00:31:16.460italians are much more of a city dwelling people and then the germanic peoples were much more
00:31:21.000of farmers and land and you see even a comfortability and accessibility and so one side
00:31:26.660they came here moved to texas a bunch of italians went to new york exactly because they were they
00:31:32.260were bound to the land they they had been raised in that land their ancestors had been that land
00:31:36.620they were shaped into a city people shaped into a seafaring people shaped into a farming people
00:31:42.200to the point of being that the land is meaningful and the work that you do on it exerts not just an
00:31:47.660impact you to the land when we shape the land we farm it but it exerts an impact on the person
00:31:52.740itself and the people are actually shaped by how they cultivate how they care how full they make
00:31:57.620it or not full they make it in a very organic connection that they exert an influence on one
00:32:02.940another that's a good point yeah there's a reason why the dutch were such great explorers they were
00:32:08.480literally reclaiming land from the sea right like their connection to the sea was was primary even
00:32:15.360in a way that other um nations that had a lot of of oceanfront property as it were uh they they were
00:32:23.180not quite the explorers that the dutch were the dutch really i mean if i'm not mistaken i'm pretty
00:32:28.200sure magellan sailed under the dutch and he's the one that in the modern sense circumnavigated
00:32:32.880the globe. And so you're right, Wes, all of this does relate to, it is somewhat of a reciprocal
00:32:40.080relationship between a people and its land and the land and its people. And go ahead.
00:32:45.900I was going to say, I got a question for you, but continue.
00:32:48.080I was just going to say, and this is why in the Old Testament, God's ultimate and most
00:32:55.680devastating judgment to a people is that he will remove them from the land. And so they can,1.00
00:33:01.560through their sin and their lack of stewardship, they can sin so grievously against God that he
00:33:07.380actually takes away their claim to the land. All land that's given to a people is actually given
00:33:12.600by God. This gets tricky when we think of conquest and war and all of those things,
00:33:18.380but nevertheless, God in his sovereignty and providence, he is the one that bequeaths to all
00:33:23.760peoples the land that they have, and he's the one that determines the times and the borders,
00:33:28.700not just the borders but how long they're going to be on it for and the pro yeah and the province
00:33:32.600of god um includes suffering and sin so so like when we say god does something we either believe
00:33:40.660he's sovereign over all things or not and we believe he is and so when god providentially
00:33:45.080accomplishes something we're not saying that it was just by divine edict you know in a voice right
00:33:49.980in the sky right uh but it is but it's no less divine um and so conquest is like well yeah but
00:33:55.920was this did this meet the seven conditions of just war theory you know and like did this meet
00:33:59.760you know our modern sensibilities of you know standards of ethics and these kind of like okay
00:34:03.940like there's a debate to be had about that for sure but but it's still something where there's
00:34:09.140no debate is uh did god do it right god did do it and you think even like conquest you know it's
00:34:15.040like well what happened to the indigenous people here in america and you know like all like what
00:34:19.400happened is that god judged them they were worshiping demons right smoking peyote and0.86
00:34:25.660killing and eating each other for hundreds of years and god said all right your sin is too great0.84
00:34:32.260and i'm gonna spew you out of the land yeah he did it with israel he did with aztecs he did like0.66
00:34:38.380he's done an altar in biblical history and human history and in church history the last 2 000 years0.55
00:34:42.900and and the lesson for us is like we're not special we're not special same thing can happen
00:34:49.340does like like oh it's nice nice country you have here be ashamed if you uh kept murdering babies
00:34:56.540right you know because you can get kicked out too right there's that passage in isaiah where
00:35:01.760god says clearly that he uses assyria to judge the nations around them and then and then he says
00:35:07.840assyria right you went too far and now i'm going to judge you for your cruelty thing i providentially
00:35:13.340used you to do absolutely yeah he like he uses the rod another nation as a rod to discipline
00:35:19.100his people and then disciplines the rod yep yep and all to his glory amen how do you reconcile
00:35:26.220the tension so if we've heard it once we've heard it a thousand times but first peter he insists
00:35:30.940several times on the status of the christian as exile that he really makes the point and some of
00:35:35.180that they're literal jews that are exiled out of jerusalem and so he's writing to them in like a
00:35:40.140a literal physical sense like you're literally physically as citizens all these different things
00:35:44.220you're exiles but there is and calvin says it in his commentaries like there is a real spiritual
00:35:48.820dimension where he kind of references them as you're in another sense far from home you're
00:35:53.700exiles you're lost how do you hold our creation care the stewardship of the earth and the
00:35:58.960enjoyment of it how do you hold that and then at the same time the genuine status that the christian
00:36:04.280has as exile because some people then say well the earth is just passing away you know like it's
00:36:10.720all going to be done we're exiles on this earth we're waiting for a heavenly home and then there
00:36:15.340could be another way of doing it where oh this is it this is the place to be this is kind of all
00:36:21.420the sum of it how do you hold both of those in tension i have a chapter on that question in the
00:36:25.060book um gotta buy it and read it my my argument is we have to think carefully about what the word
00:36:30.340exile means. You think of like Robin Hood, right? The king, King Richard was absent. And so either
00:36:38.520Prince John or the sheriff, whichever version you're reading, has exiled Robin Hood from his
00:36:44.060rightful land, not just England in general, but even from his lordly lands that his family owned.
00:36:50.060And so he's living as an exile out in the woods, right, with his merry men. An exile is someone
00:36:56.420who has been removed from his home with the expectation of coming back once things are put
00:37:01.900back into order. And so in that case, when King Richard comes back and he gets rid of Prince John
00:37:09.780and the sheriff and he sets things aright, Robin Hood comes back to a reordered England and lands
00:37:18.540that his family owned. And so when we say we are exiles, we are exiles because the situation on
00:37:24.920earth is out of order and someday christ is going to come back and he's going to put it back into
00:37:30.620order and then in in revelation 20 it says the new jerusalem descends which i take to be the church
00:37:35.620god's people will descend back to earth which has been put back into order and so we are exiles from
00:37:42.320the earth because we're we've been kicked out because of sin and corruption not because the
00:37:48.480earth is not where we belong right so someday christ will come and perfectly set it aright and
00:37:53.360our job now is to comport ourselves and behave ourselves as individuals and as nations in a way
00:38:00.160that reflects that final ordering of creation as best we can. Yes, the new heavens and the new
00:38:07.820earth, which many theologians, especially within the Reformed tradition, have taken to mean the
00:38:11.960new heavens come to the new earth. And any Christian for that matter, whether you're Roman
00:38:18.580catholic or eastern orthodox or protestant um all affirm that there is a final physical
00:38:24.820resurrection of the dead um the reprobate to damnation and the saved unto glory and so we're
00:38:32.760going to have we're not just going to be floating on on clouds in some ethereal plane like we're
00:38:37.720going to have a a physical earthly existence and i think like that that's this whole idea of like
00:38:45.440Grace, not destroying nature, but rather restoring and elevating.
00:51:42.500it's the bible um no but like uh when he talks about you know like the uh that it'll be consumed
00:51:48.980by fire you know um what i've always said with that is like peter it's not just that the scripture
00:51:54.840says elsewhere but peter says elsewhere uh he speaks about what god did through the flood right
00:52:00.420and he says like that god destroyed the world right and that language is utilized god destroyed
00:52:05.980the world um through water and then he'll destroy it through fire and like and we would look at that
00:52:11.320and we say um did god destroy the world yeah well in for all intents and purposes in the way that
00:52:17.480that word's being used and god's you know god's purpose is what he means by destroy yes in a very
00:52:22.400real sense god destroyed the word um by water but that doesn't mean that the world was literally
00:52:28.800annihilated like like you know it does it's not like a some and the righteous endured yes and
00:52:35.000the right exactly so when the world did that in that water shaped it reshaped the world in a in
00:52:40.640a literal geographic sense you know maybe that's probably where we got the grand canyon and certain
00:52:44.880things maybe even tectonic plates shifting and maybe i don't know like that like i'm not i'm not
00:52:50.060a flat earther but i could i could be persuaded of like a pangea kind of thing like all the
00:52:54.060continents together and the you know um and that also just being one because it kind of pairs up
00:52:59.220nicely with the noaic covenant and then leading towards babel of like god saying like no you will
00:53:04.360split up you will have nations i'm going to do it through uh confusing your languages i'm going to
00:53:09.600literally uh put oceans in between you i'm gonna like you guys are not going to be globalist and
00:53:15.600here we are christian saying oh so you're saying you want globalism so you're so you're telling me0.52
00:53:23.720gay multiculturalism is what you want i read you loud and clear god um it's i mean it's literally0.83
00:53:28.560comical when you think how far off but but anyways but the point is god destroyed the world through0.76
00:53:33.900water but he didn't destroy every single person or the ark right he preserved the righteous
00:53:40.040preserved uh and then he started over with a completely new species of animals no no he kept
00:53:46.240those species but then with them created more species glorified and maximized it um and god
00:53:53.340replaced this you know floating rock in the sky you know there's a whole new planet nope same
00:53:57.380planet reformed and cleansed purified and reshaped and even in some sense you could say glorified like
00:54:04.200the majesty of like the just the the violent uh uh the violent aspect of the great torrents
00:54:11.220you know of the deep and and all these you know geysers erupting because it's not just the water
00:54:16.420that comes from above you know the canopy breaking but then also the waters of the deep under the
00:54:21.140earth opening up and and the sheer shock and and shaking of that is probably uh part of the way
00:54:28.520that we got mount everest and the grand canyon so like there's even like a geographic glory that
00:54:34.060was accomplished by this judgment that made it better like we go to national you know parks to
00:54:40.560witness things that might not have actually even existed if it weren't for the flood right so it's
00:54:45.100like the land um was improved the people were certainly improved um the the animals were
00:54:52.320improved but here's the thing all improved but also not replaced but preserved right improved
00:54:57.360upon something preserved so who's to say if god destroyed the earth and that in that in a real
00:55:02.920sense destroyed is a fair word it's the accurate word but we know he didn't replace it then who's
00:55:07.440to say that that this destruction in the end of fire wouldn't be in the literal sense the same
00:55:13.000kind of thing not a total replacement not a total annihilation but but a a a little burning away of
00:55:20.720the wicked like the spoken of of a lake of fire so god visits he descends the fire consumes all
00:55:26.840that is as michael was saying earlier the things that can be shaken the temporal that which is to
00:55:31.180be burnt up the wicked themselves cast into the burning lake right and the righteous preserved
00:55:36.100and established in the holy city amen i'll get weird for one second but i think it's good but
00:55:41.500it's weird um right so like so christ you know all his enemies being made a footstool and as we
00:55:47.040share in his kingship and his glorious priest a royal priesthood kings and priests that also his
00:55:52.380enemies are going to be a footstool under our feet i i think that the earth in the same way that
00:55:56.760water from the earth and and it came from above but also under the earth the great springs of the
00:56:01.140deep opened up and and swallowed people up and and drowned them they died by water um and then you
00:56:07.800also see this actually through biblical history when you think of aiken you know um and the in
00:56:12.120the earth swallowing him up yeah i actually think that um i think the lake of fire will be under the
00:56:19.020earth it'll be a physical place because we know the resurrection the bodily resurrection is not
00:56:23.660just for the elect it's all but also for the damned the reprobate and and it's going to be
00:56:29.440a physical conscious torment right and i actually think that the earth will likely open up in the0.86
00:56:35.340same way that once it produced water this time it'll be fire and and the dam will be taken down
00:56:40.780below and we will have an eternal existence uh with the enemies of god under our feet
00:56:45.560well the description 22 revelation 22 is a city and it says outside of the dogs the cowards the
00:56:52.380immoral yeah that outside there's dark darkness the shapeless the dam the burning and then the
00:56:57.780holy beautiful city of which god itself is its light so certainly like there's the imagery there
00:57:02.440that we can look out into the chasms and into the darkness and see the wicked forever shut out of
00:57:07.280the holy city and its light and its glory and its perfection yeah yeah all right let's hit our second
00:57:12.080commercial break and when we come back we'll uh i want to tie this to a couple modern applications
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00:59:37.860i'm gonna read a quote nathan this is going to be the last two quotes so i'll start with quote
00:59:42.000five here. And I want to make the case that in previous times, Christians did think about
00:59:48.820stewarding their nations for God's glory. So first a quote from the book and then a historical
00:59:53.560example. So here I say, God commands all nations to use the land that he has given them. He commands
01:00:00.060them even to organize themselves towards this end, that the earth may blossom in beauty and that the
01:00:04.660people of those nations would take the resources in their specific land and produce things that
01:00:08.960honor god it is good that nations lay down highways numbers 2017 and other infrastructure
01:00:14.740it is good that they erect amazing buildings and undertake feats of engineering but the key point
01:00:20.060that we see in psalm 72 which solomon wrote about how great it was that the the kings of the earth0.69
01:00:25.980were bringing their goods and their glories to jerusalem yeah queer treasures as revoice has said
01:00:33.460do you remember that article no i don't i don't remember he wrote an article about how
01:00:38.860same-sex gay christians will bring queer treasures oh my word by being like celibate
01:00:45.040or whatever like their gift and treasure to bring it sorry for that no it's okay well that was a0.99
01:00:49.360lovely mental image too so that's what that's what you really should apologize for terrible
01:00:52.840all right so um in song uh the key point that we see in psalm 72 is that rather than use their
01:00:59.680accomplishments to glorify themselves they are to use those accomplishments to worship the one true0.70
01:01:05.460god and to direct all attention and focus to him and in a way this is the problem with babel right
01:01:12.220babel was not inherently wrong in that they were attempting a great project of architecture and
01:01:19.600building right they developed new technology exactly in line with how god has made us they
01:01:24.700They learned bricks and tar instead of just the previous building technology that they had.
01:01:33.260And the problem was that they used it for their own glory, to rebel against God.
01:01:38.660A lot of times, the common misconception is that it's really a waste of time for a nation to accomplish something.
01:01:45.820You think about the Cathedral de Sagrada Familia in Spain, which has been an over-two-century project.
01:01:53.300and we've talked about this on the podcast before um like what an incredible pooling of resources
01:02:00.500by a nation and a people to build something that hopefully would stand to the honor and glory of
01:02:07.460christ right libertarians hardest hits that's right well even too there's no like financial
01:02:11.940consideration like cathedrals were not built by private equity groups that's about the return
01:02:16.360on their investment that's correct it was literally not like well we can make money on this great job
01:02:20.220no tax maybe even a few indulgences right well there was some of that i remember cj like he
01:02:25.460visited uh he he's you know he says it to like give himself a hard time not take himself too
01:02:29.920seriously but he said like that he was visiting you know europe and and checking out all these
01:02:34.740cathedrals but it was during his libertarian days okay and so he was like just walking around you
01:02:39.200know frowning the whole time like i can't believe they spent tax dollars on this and he tells the
01:02:44.560story now saying like like if you're wondering how gay libertarianism is let me tell you a story
01:02:49.640about myself. Well, that's exactly the point. Like an individual family is never going to build the
01:02:56.520Hoover Dam or Notre Dame or something like that. Like that is a national project to do these
01:03:02.520things. And so this even gets into the question of, you know, who should be in charge of
01:03:08.380infrastructure in a nation? I don't have a definitive position on this yet, but I think
01:03:14.220there's a good case that insofar as these are projects that benefit the nation, it's not wrong
01:03:19.040for the nation to bring those under a governmental organization like who else is going to build
01:03:23.440the highway system across the united states or the railway system which by the way the railway
01:03:28.800system was um a distinctly uh pushed forward as a way to achieve god's will of of taking dominion
01:03:40.820of the west like there was there were some backers one of them was you know brigham young
01:03:45.200unfortunately but it was fairly common to talk about the railroads west as our christian duty
01:03:52.140to subdue the land that god has given to us um another example and nate you can put this quote
01:03:58.700up this is from the mayflower compact um and this is this was their intention this was how they
01:04:04.500stewarded what they hoped was going to be their new land they say have an undertaken for the glory
01:04:09.540of god and advancement of the christian faith in honor of our king and country voyage to plant the
01:04:14.000first colony in the northern parts of Virginia, do by these presence solemnly and mutually in the
01:04:19.560presence of God and of one another covenant and combine ourselves together in a civil body
01:04:24.260politic for our better ordering and preservation and furtherance of the ends aforesaid by the
01:04:30.060virtue hereof to enact, constitute, and frame such just and equal laws, ordinances, acts,
01:04:36.980constitutions, and offices from time to time as shall be thought most meet, which means necessary,
01:04:42.020and convenient for the general good of the colony unto which we promise all do submission and
01:04:47.640obedience um and so they they were pledging the totality of their effort to really the overall
01:04:55.680overarching purpose they were going to do things for the practical good they were going to pass
01:04:59.820laws they were going to organize themselves in particular ways but it was all going to be for
01:05:04.160the glory of christ amen and downtown new york and columbia university the library there that's
01:05:08.720right over the quad it literally says uh it's for the advancement of the public good yeah and the
01:05:13.820glory of almighty god yeah we're building this beautiful library in this rotunda you go inside
01:05:18.440there's four pillars and it's a theology law medicine and art like it's these pillars holding
01:05:23.960up society and emblazoned across the top in new york city to this day as we're doing this for
01:05:29.100public good and the glory of almighty god amen yeah and well and it's it's almost trite now but
01:05:35.180The founding universities in America all had in their mottos for honor of Christ and this sort of thing.
01:05:42.600And, of course, the Puritans used language of like, we're building a city on a hill that will be a light to the world.
01:05:48.480This is going to be not the New Jerusalem, but a New Jerusalem of sorts.
01:05:54.000These Americas will be Christian colonies, Christian cities, Christian cathedrals that will be a light to the nations.
01:06:03.640yep so all of that to say one kind of fallout of this is uh i mentioned it earlier it is quite
01:06:12.900common now to assume that humans are the intruders i remember i was at a track meet for one of my
01:06:18.760kids um two years ago and there was a snake um that was near where some of the people were sitting
01:06:25.880and people were obviously concerned about it we didn't know what kind of snake it was but people
01:06:30.540a little bit concerned about it and as we were leaving later on i remember one of the coaches
01:06:34.440said well it's understandable we're in the snake's home right and it's like i get what you're saying
01:06:41.660i don't want to be too pedantic here but no the snake actually is in our home and we have the
01:06:46.500right to protect ourselves and to kill or relocate that snake like like the world is not
01:06:52.360nature's it's not mother earth's it's not guys it belongs to us and we are to steward it
01:06:59.220um the the buzzword a few years ago was creation care i don't know if you guys remember i remember
01:07:04.640this whole thing creation care says protect the planet biblical stewardship stewardship says
01:07:10.240subdue it build with it and offer the glory back to god and do it of course in a sustainable fashion
01:07:17.440of course like yeah so like it it doesn't it doesn't mean that we you know burn tires in our
01:07:22.440backyard on the lips you know like no like we don't want to be suicidal like this is the only
01:07:28.620home we have and so you're doing all these in ways that are sustainable but like but when it's
01:07:33.780done well you can harvest um you know thousands and thousands and millions of trees and actually
01:07:41.040plant bigger forests that replace them you know so there's a way to you know to be a true
01:07:45.760conservationist um but but not living as a guest but like this is my home and i'm also taking care
01:07:53.320of it yep environmentalism and there's a change in public perception in this environmentalism is
01:07:58.540actually a right-wing position it was occupied by the left for a while through the 80s and the 90s
01:08:02.620and the 2000s but uh setting up a factory and not killing every form of life in the pond that's
01:08:08.300right outside it right not polluting the air with all of your whatever it is that you're burning
01:08:13.100like that's actually right wing if we're here for tradition we're here for the establishment
01:08:16.620of the family we're here for the care of the church and ordering people towards earthly good
01:08:20.780and heavenly good trash toxic chemicals all those things are very much so relevant interests now you
01:08:26.940can do something like harnessing wind it's just economically even the fossil fuels required to
01:08:32.940assemble the pieces to actually put these turbines in to say nothing of the birds they kill to say
01:08:37.260nothing of disposal of them that doesn't mean that we go to wind and we go to solar price be
01:08:42.460price be forgotten but it does mean generally speaking we actually care about what are we
01:08:46.860putting into the environment how is this affecting individuals and saying it does matter right good
01:08:51.820Good. So as we, you know, as we further the cause of Christian nationalism, it's at one hand a little bit daunting to say, man, we're not there until we're building the buildings to Christ's honor again, right?
01:09:05.380It's not just passing an abortion law or, you know, whatever political—we talk a lot about politics and political gains on the show.
01:09:14.760all of that is good but also like we are desiring that our nation that all the nations in the earth
01:09:21.040really would direct their national effort in real tangible ways towards the glory of christ and so
01:09:27.020we won't be discouraged that's the goal um that's what we're pushing towards and we want to see
01:09:31.420reclaimed in our nation and we hope that missionaries will take up that cause and they'll
01:09:36.260approach missions in a slightly different way too where they're building the seeds into evangelism
01:09:42.040to other nations of we're not just saving two percent of you we're christianizing your nation
01:09:47.980so that the totality of your action would glorify and honor christ right and we're and we're not
01:09:54.000exporting uh we're trying to export the gospel and a christian foundation we're not exporting
01:09:59.800um things that are are just not really rooted in the scripture but distinctions of our own culture
01:10:06.540we're not exporting our sacred democracy like it's okay to do the work of an evangelist a
01:10:12.040missionary and say this is the gospel this is the scripture this is the foundation for all of life
01:10:16.540and then to still to let let that country be that country and like the reality is that if every
01:10:23.100nation was christianized tomorrow um i am i am absolutely persuaded that they would still look
01:10:29.720very distinct that some nations would have great glorious like they'd all have great glorious
01:10:34.940cathedrals but they wouldn't all look the same right different nations would have different
01:10:38.240colors and different architecture there'd be different forms of art there'd be uh different
01:10:42.260cuisine there'd be like it's um like the bible says a lot and and none of us would ever deny
01:10:49.860the sufficiency of scripture but the question that that that raises is the bible is sufficient
01:10:55.820for what like we believe that it's sufficient for so that the man of god would be equipped for
01:11:00.960every good work right so it's sufficient for character it's sufficient for morality and
01:11:06.660certainly it's sufficient for salvation and heavenly things but the bible in its own claims
01:11:12.000of sufficiency never say that it is so particular that is um that it's exclusively sufficient for
01:11:20.360one type of architecture right so that um if two nations one in you mean we're not all supposed to
01:11:26.580be using cubits right exactly so it's like one nation in sub-saharan africa and then one nation
01:11:31.620in europe if they were both equally christian then they would both uh build the notre dame
01:11:36.380cathedral like that the bible doesn't make that claim that's well japan has huge palaces right
01:11:42.460they're built out of huge beams of wood and they look totally different than the the rock and brick
01:11:47.660palaces in europe and yet they're still glorious yeah and that's part of the reason why like as we
01:11:52.680have further innovation and travel and all these kinds of things like that's that's one of the
01:11:57.020great glories like i would like for my grandkids to be able to go you know if they desire to to
01:12:02.880like to visit japan and i would like it to still be japan right like like how disappointing would
01:12:07.500that be to go and visit japan and uh there's no more samurai you know like there's no museums
01:12:14.360there's no like no distinct style of dress it's all just american if i go to japan and it's just
01:12:19.720like 10 black people 10 white people 10 you know latinos you know like and and then it looks like
01:12:25.960dfw you know with just strip with just japanese instead of english like what are we doing it's
01:12:31.800like i don't know like that's that's that's we should be able to see that as sad right so when
01:12:37.620when we're not you know the biggest advocates of multiculturalism in every single nation right now
01:12:42.720it's because we actually um it's because it's it's not just like it's not because we're against
01:12:48.760multiculturalism in in the life to come like we actually not only do we think it's good but we
01:12:54.380think that it must be preserved every tribe tongue and nation before the throne of the lamb
01:13:00.100worshiping in unity and unison and at peace with one another um that can only be accomplished if
01:13:07.420if distinct nations exist so thank you guys for tuning in last thing uh for today again it's the
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