The NXR Podcast - THE LIVESTREAM - New Saints, New Devils, & A New Religion

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00:00:26.800 today we're focusing our attention on the most important and sacred religion presently here in

00:00:34.860 the west that is of course holocaustianity it's not christianity it's not hinduism or buddhism or

00:00:43.320 islam or even atheistic secularism but rather the most significant important vital and sacred

00:00:52.620 and I'm using that last word intentionally, sacred, truly considered to be holy, not to be

00:01:00.180 trifled with, not to be crossed, not to be blasphemed. That religion today in the West

00:01:07.740 is holocaustianity. It is the view that the Holocaust is our most sacred founding myth

00:01:16.380 for the West in present times. It is the religion that virtually everyone subscribes to. You can

00:01:24.400 blaspheme Jesus Christ. You cannot blaspheme the Holocaust. You can make fun of Satan. You can dress

00:01:32.560 up as Satan. I mean, think about that for a second, guys. Every Halloween, we literally have

00:01:37.660 a national holiday that is celebrated by the vast majority of the citizens of our country

00:01:43.900 in which they dress up, children, as fun, dress up as devils. They dress up as ghouls and goblins

00:01:53.560 and ghosts, and some people literally dress up as Satan himself. What would happen though

00:02:00.220 if you cross, you go against the real sacred religion of the West, Holocaustianity? What

00:02:08.480 happens if someone dresses up not as the devil but they dress up as adolf hitler what kind of

00:02:15.460 reaction would they get well we actually saw this on the news just this last halloween there were

00:02:22.240 some individuals who dressed up as nazis and it became a global worldwide story in outrage and

00:02:32.100 our point is not to say that the holocaust never happened we're not to say that the suffering of a

00:02:37.780 particular people is permissible. We're not saying any of those things, but what we're going to be

00:02:45.020 delving into in today's episode is that this is more than history. It is held as a religious

00:02:52.000 conviction. I'll say that again. This is more than just a historical event. When it comes to

00:02:59.180 the Holocaust, it is viewed and held and cherished as a religious conviction. In fact, it's

00:03:07.660 really the only religious conviction left in the modern West that is held with respect, with

00:03:15.680 reverence, fear, and trembling, where blaspheming and going against it is actually still

00:03:22.280 punishable, penalized in serious ways. Why? Why? That's our focus today. Tune in now.

00:03:37.660 here we are here we are west friday you're gonna lead us off i'm excited for this episode you've

00:03:47.540 got a lot of quotes pulled up um from you know jews rabbis but also from evangelical pastors

00:03:55.060 we're gonna cover the full gambit when preparing the thumbnail for this episode there's a tool that

00:04:00.160 i use in canva that uses ai to stretch out an image you can get a little bit more border if

00:04:04.580 you need to, to just simply fill it out. And on the thumbnail, you'll see a picture of a Nazi

00:04:09.120 soldier contrasted with Dietrich Bonhoeffer. Bonhoeffer as the saint and the soldier as the

00:04:14.000 bad guy. And I went to try to use this tool on the soldier to get a little bit more direction

00:04:18.360 downward to just fill out the image better. Canva refused to do that because there's a swastika

00:04:23.700 in the picture. It wouldn't matter if it was something lewd. It wouldn't matter if it was

00:04:29.380 communism it wouldn't matter republican democrat almost nothing else could be in that image and the

00:04:35.420 tool would refuse basically to work pornography would have been fine if you had an image of the

00:04:40.640 devil an image of the devil fine a blaspheming image of jesus right all of that would have been

00:04:45.380 fine there's one little symbol that can't be in there that it refuses to make it refuses to draw

00:04:51.420 it refuses almost in some ways to even utter the name of the amazon show the man in the high castle

00:04:56.720 is a fictional story of if japan and germany had won world war ii and after they got done filming

00:05:03.720 it they took all the uniforms and the flags that had the swastika on them and they actually burned

00:05:08.400 them it wasn't just hey let's put this back maybe you know schindler's list 500 we can pull these

00:05:13.080 back out of the closets and reuse it was no we're literally going to burn every single swastika we

00:05:17.940 made for this show just because it's so horrible real quick that if you've ever watched the man in

00:05:24.760 the high castle again, Wes, you know, he, he described it perfectly. It's, it's a fictional

00:05:30.780 futuristic, you know, show that's imagining what would have happened if Hitler won the war

00:05:36.840 and how atrocious it would be and how terrible it would be. Everyone who, you know, is goose

00:05:42.420 stepping in their backyard, you know, and the whole world is now speaking German. Um, it really

00:05:48.080 is the best way to understand it, if you've never watched it, is it's the political and historical

00:05:56.600 equivalent of the hands-made tale. So if you think culture, hands-made tale, right? What is

00:06:04.560 the hands-made tale? It's the book that was then revised into a Hulu series. And it's basically

00:06:13.420 liberal um liberal caffeine you know for for leftists and progressives uh to to use as a

00:06:22.060 boogeyman as a scare tactic to say uh we can't possibly let conservatives let alone you know

00:06:28.440 christians ever have the levers of cultural power here in the west in europe or in america because

00:06:36.200 if they do uh there'll be forced pregnancies and women will be subject uh subjugated as slaves and

00:06:43.620 you know all these kinds of things and the hands-made tale when you think of the way that

00:06:47.560 liberals have used it it's gotten just kind of infinite mileage well the man in the high castle

00:06:54.000 is basically the same thing just instead of on the cultural side of the aisle it's more on the

00:06:59.960 historical side of the aisle. Exactly. But the point being, I know of no other show that made

00:07:06.560 any other type of costume or symbol. They literally at the end had to go through and say,

00:07:11.300 we have to burn this. This is so evil. We can't even keep it around. What I want to start with

00:07:16.840 doing is defining what we mean and what we refer to by the Holocaust. One of the things we're not

00:07:21.460 going to do in this episode is get into the history, the details and specifics and give our

00:07:26.020 opinion about what happened. And the reason for that is that we are not historians. If we're going

00:07:30.440 to do that, we would have someone who is a historian, someone who has spent their life

00:07:33.740 dedicated to studying World War II and the history that can make a very informed, reasonable

00:07:38.580 estimation and an argument for how things actually happened. But Joel, you're a pastor. I worked in

00:07:44.480 politics. We're all critics of culture. That's our lane. We're going to analyze this from a

00:07:49.000 theological lens, a cultural lens, a religious lens. But we're not going to come in here and

00:07:53.640 say and we think this is what happened and this is what happened and if you trace these shipments

00:07:57.280 and look at this that's not what we're going to do and one encouragement would be uh we're not

00:08:01.440 the experts and you don't have to be either you don't have to have an opinion and most certainly

00:08:05.540 not a strong one you can say maybe it did maybe it didn't however whether it did or did not say

00:08:11.720 that it even did here's the deal what it has become as a religion is the problem here amen

00:08:17.560 and with that maybe it did it didn't um in terms of what i think what wes is referring to like the

00:08:24.520 holocaust even happening my strong recommendation to everyone who is a listener is um i don't think

00:08:33.080 you have to uh assess historically the holocaust on a pass fail system so i i don't i would not

00:08:40.540 recommend it's not my position and so i would not recommend that you would take this position either

00:08:44.960 you know taking the position to say the holocaust didn't happen at all right i mean that would be

00:08:52.380 in terms of in terms of positions that are defensible that would be a really really

00:08:59.940 difficult position to defend and some of the guys more on the fringe who have over the years said

00:09:05.920 something along those lines usually end up getting slaughtered by historians and different you know

00:09:12.660 primary sources and this that and the other so um i would recommend not if you're going to take a

00:09:19.040 position on the history on on the details and claims themselves of what did or did not happen

00:09:24.640 um i i think my my only recommendation because that's not going to be the focus of today's

00:09:30.340 episode but my only recommendation is if you see it and most people do actually but if you see it

00:09:36.480 as a pass fail system where it's either the holocaust didn't happen at all and it's completely

00:09:41.960 all of it fabricated or it's six million jews and counting year after year we actually find out it's

00:09:48.540 more you know and never less you know five million nine hundred ninety nine thousand you know um

00:09:54.640 blasphemy heresy um i i just think that that's silly i'll just be honest i think that's silly

00:10:00.560 that using that as your your metric of it must be six million plus or um or complete denial

00:10:09.460 outright, the whole thing has been fabricated. I think that's ridiculous. I don't think that you

00:10:15.300 have to take either of those approaches. So I think you can say, you know what, I think something

00:10:19.460 happened. I think there's enough sources. Something happened, and I believe it was significant. I

00:10:25.240 believe that there were several aspects of it that were inherently immoral, things that were wrong.

00:10:31.500 but the big focus that i would like to shift the conversation to is well there have been plenty of

00:10:40.500 atrocities that have happened throughout history there have been plenty of ethnic cleansings

00:10:46.240 tragically there have been plenty of mass murders there have been plenty of this plenty of that

00:10:52.760 but one and only one has forged the entire ethos for all of the west and is treated not merely as

00:11:02.920 a tragic historic event but treated as a religion on religious spiritual grounds that have shaped

00:11:10.460 politics and culture and and everything um for the past 80 years that i think is a good question

00:11:19.360 So asking the question, did the Holocaust happen at all?

00:11:23.640 I don't think that's a good question.

00:11:25.880 But asking the question, why this historic tragedy?

00:11:29.920 Why has this one had the influence, the impact, and completely governed Western society in all of its choices politically, economically, culturally, religiously for almost a century now?

00:11:44.880 That is a question worth exploring.

00:11:47.200 And that's what we're going to do today.

00:11:49.360 So for the purposes of this episode, we're going to say, hey, this is how it occurred. And so I'm going to read the description. This is from Wikipedia for a little bit of just context, what we're referring to, what we're taking as what some have called the received account.

00:12:03.820 The Holocaust, known in Hebrew as the Shoah, literally translates catastrophe, was the genocide

00:12:10.000 of European Jews during World War II. From 1941 to 1945, Nazi Germany and its collaborators

00:12:16.980 systematically murdered some 6 million Jews across German-occupied Europe, around two-thirds of

00:12:23.080 Europe's Jewish population. The murders were committed primarily through mass shootings

00:12:27.800 across Eastern Europe and poisoned gas chambers and extermination camps, chiefly Auschwitz,

00:12:32.100 Berknau, Treblinka, Belzec, Sorbibor, Chelmino, and occupied Poland. Separate Nazi persecutions

00:12:38.760 killed millions of other non-Jewish civilians and prisoners of war, POWs. And so those were

00:12:43.900 typically gypsies, Russians, homosexuals, those that were mentally deficient, and others. And so

00:12:49.140 sometimes they get bucketed together and the range is given six to 11 million. This word in Hebrew,

00:12:54.840 shoah, catastrophe, it actually has a symbolism of a burnt offering. We'll get to that a little bit

00:12:59.200 later. But the idea is there was a massive genocide that occurred in Eastern Europe,

00:13:03.440 specifically targeted on the basis of race that killed some six million Jews, as well as several

00:13:08.720 million other individuals, again, mostly on the basis of race. These people were, as the narrative

00:13:13.500 goes, the inferior race. They were traitors. They were Bolsheviks. And so they carried out a

00:13:19.020 systematic final solution in the waning years of World War II in order to exterminate these people

00:13:24.280 as part of a final solution. That's what would be kind of called the received account. That's

00:13:29.000 what you've been taught in school that's what you've been educated in that's the movie that

00:13:33.160 you've seen probably a hundred times at this point throughout your life not the same movie

00:13:37.480 but a hundred different movies like it's not the same movie but it is the same movie but yeah that's

00:13:43.160 i mean it from from the education system from academia from the media from entertainment and

00:13:48.580 hollywood uh from various politicians from various pastors what you know like at every level you've

00:13:55.080 been completely submerged in uh the most terrible thing that has ever occurred in all of history

00:14:02.820 is this one event and um and the the motivation of trying to um inhibit this from ever happening

00:14:13.540 again is the number one guiding principle for every decision anyone should ever make from here

00:14:19.060 on out right yeah that's where we are yeah and i would just say as a matter of history and i really

00:14:24.480 do think history, and I think many historians say this as well, is history is as much of an art as

00:14:30.180 it is a science in the sense of, like, on one hand, you're collecting the facts, you're looking

00:14:35.180 through primary source documentation, but on the other hand, you're drawing meaning from it. You're

00:14:39.560 drawing lessons from it. And as it relates to, you could say, the Holocaust, I think slavery is

00:14:44.980 another good example of this. When a story, a matter of history, becomes black and white,

00:14:51.600 uh it's a good indication that that has become now a myth uh that that has become a uh a cultural

00:15:00.180 legend a cultural tradition in the sense of it being black and white there being a absolute good

00:15:07.000 and absolute bad um and and as a society we we're always telling stories and forming myths and

00:15:13.160 legends america has many legends that sleepy hollow um you know things stories like that

00:15:18.320 are things that we tell ourselves.

00:15:19.820 Paul Bunyan.

00:15:20.460 Paul Bunyan.

00:15:21.300 John Henry.

00:15:22.120 Yeah, exactly.

00:15:22.960 So there are things like that that we say,

00:15:24.760 hey, here's a story we're going to tell.

00:15:27.180 Maybe it's history, maybe it's half history,

00:15:29.660 but we're telling it not even

00:15:30.860 for the purpose of history, actually, right?

00:15:33.100 We're telling this to instill a lesson,

00:15:35.120 to teach something about our children,

00:15:37.300 something about ourselves and where they come from.

00:15:40.040 And I think that's really what we're trying to get at

00:15:42.380 and address is the ways in which,

00:15:45.780 as we assume in this episode,

00:15:47.600 A real historical event became that. How did it move to a matter of primary source documentation and facts to a matter of, you know, sacrosanct, you know...

00:16:02.740 Good versus evil.

00:16:04.160 Good versus evil, exactly.

00:16:05.940 Right.

00:16:06.300 And so, and that's just something that just occurs in history. And, you know, in presuppositional apologetics, one of the preconditions of intelligibility is actually a meaning in history.

00:16:16.420 that that has to be true that we have to look back in the fact the facts of history and actually

00:16:21.440 draw some meaning from them it's inevitable that we try to do that but the lessons that we draw

00:16:26.740 from them are built on presuppositions they're built on premises premises and and what are those

00:16:33.060 premises going to be well on one you know when it comes to an event like the holocaust or slavery

00:16:37.940 you can actually attack the premises rather than attacking the facts of the matter you can actually

00:16:43.660 say, hey, I'll give you the facts. I disagree with how you're interpreting the history and the facts.

00:16:49.580 I disagree with the lens through which you view the facts. And that's really what we're talking

00:16:53.300 about here today. Good point. So what I'm going to go ahead and do is I'm going to read some of

00:16:57.540 the history of how, you remember, World War II ended, the Axis powers, and the Western Front

00:17:02.380 surrendered in May of 1945. The Nuremberg trials occurred after that. And in 1948, Israel is

00:17:09.140 established. And I would say by about the 70s or the 80s, you have the narrative firmly a hold of

00:17:14.300 the American psyche, which is fascinating because it didn't happen in Europe. It didn't happen

00:17:18.120 to, or it didn't happen in America. It didn't happen to Americans. It was two different peoples

00:17:23.080 that were not American, on different soil, in a different war. We didn't even liberate any of the

00:17:28.880 extermination camps. The allies on the Western Front only went so far and discovered concentration

00:17:33.920 camps. You can actually look at the maps that the U.S. National Archives have laid out. It was the

00:17:38.420 russian side that came through in their invasion from eastern europe and came in and found all of

00:17:43.580 the extermination camps so it's not even like we found the holocaust the primary real quick just

00:17:48.860 just to get this you're saying that the primary sources for the concentration camps were the

00:17:54.480 extermination camps extermination camps that those primary sources were provided to us by

00:18:00.360 bolsheviks by the communists great okay patten churchill and others never were in extermination

00:18:06.420 camps such as Auschwitz, Treblinka, and the others. Those were on the eastern side in German

00:18:10.520 occupied Poland where they were purportedly discovered. Okay, not a good start, but yeah,

00:18:15.160 go ahead. Okay, I'm going to read an extended section from an article on American Mantle

00:18:19.380 called Holocaustianity by Sons of Korra, where he goes through the Holocaust memorial, the growth

00:18:24.800 of these memorials across the West. This modern creed, referring to Holocaustianity, found

00:18:29.880 permanence in a rapid proliferation of Holocaust memorials covering reported Nazi extermination

00:18:35.180 camps, all located in Soviet-aligned Poland post-war. Memorialization began in 1947 with

00:18:41.040 the Auschwitz-Birkenau and Maginek State Museums, followed by the Warsaw Ghetto Monument in 1948,

00:18:47.260 each initiated by Communist Poland's Soviet-influenced Ministry of Culture and Arts.

00:18:53.780 Supported by Jewish survivor groups, these efforts aimed to preserve and showcase reports of

00:18:57.740 atrocities by Nazi Germany, communism's wartime foe. 1947 to 1955, early Auschwitz

00:19:04.780 exhibitions also showcased anti-Western depictions of American urban poverty to equate capitalism

00:19:10.320 with Nazism, reflecting Cold War efforts using post-war propaganda to bolster communist regimes.

00:19:17.000 The founding of Yad Vashem in Israel in 1958 elevated the memorialization globally, canonizing

00:19:22.680 the reported 6 million Jewish victims as a sacred legacy for their new state. Remember, Israel is

00:19:28.120 established in 1948, so less than five years into its existence, you have the establishment of a

00:19:34.040 memorial. Further monuments arose in Buchenwald in communist East Germany in 1958, followed by

00:19:40.220 Treblinka and Sobaibor in communist Poland in the mid-1960s. After the fall of the Berlin Wall in

00:19:47.160 1989, memorialization expanded with the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, D.C. in

00:19:52.960 1993, alongside revisions to Auschwitz's 1990 death toll adjustment from 4 million to 1.1 million,

00:19:59.420 a shift that curiously left the six million Jewish death toll unaltered in the post-war

00:20:03.700 consciousness. In the 21st century, memorialization surged with sites like Berlin's Memorial

00:20:08.380 for the Murdered Jews of Europe in 2005, Shanghai's Jewish Refugees Museum in 2007,

00:20:14.160 and Amsterdam's National Holocaust Museum in 2024. Today, Holocaust memorials and museums

00:20:20.000 have arisen in at least 46 nations, from Argentina to Australia, Belarus to Brazil,

00:20:25.560 croatia to canada and beyond to china south africa and mexico forging a global mandate to educate

00:20:32.000 and commemorate embedding the narrative's moral imperatives into cement and steel again that's an

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00:24:17.440 Ah, Mexico.

00:24:19.400 All right, when I think of Mexico, I think the agitators of World War II, for sure.

00:24:26.300 For sure.

00:24:27.000 But that really is fascinating.

00:24:28.720 Africa. South Africa.

00:24:30.760 You're talking about nations that literally weren't even involved.

00:24:34.240 And yet in their country that was not involved, did not participate one side or the other.

00:24:40.040 They have museums, you know, this memorializing monuments to an event that has nothing to do with their country.

00:24:50.700 and yet it's been made a staple a you know a kind of a a cornerstone in their own nation's psyche

00:25:00.520 and and moral framework uh why why you know i mean that that really is interesting if there was you

00:25:09.620 know any other event that was treated that way uh we would we would question it we would push back

00:25:15.460 would say what it's not just the question of what really happened it's the question of um what what

00:25:22.640 is what is happening i feel like that that when i it's not what happened it's what's happening like

00:25:29.400 what what is what is this narrative being used presently to accomplish what is the aim today

00:25:37.620 that's to me that that seems like a worthwhile question it has to be mentioned that a big part

00:25:44.580 of the proliferation of the narrative had to do with american jews so jews that lived in america

00:25:50.080 they were horrified with what reported to them overseas and so i'm going to read a list now of

00:25:54.180 cultural propaganda pieces including uh schindler's list that really gripped the american consciousness

00:26:00.100 and it's and it's worth saying and this would be i would say probably any group if mexicans

00:26:04.780 internationally were exterminated there'd be a number of mexican americans that would say

00:26:08.300 we need to stand up for them right ukrainians that have lived in the united states when war

00:26:12.480 broke out. They felt a certain allegiance to Ukrainians that were undergoing war from Russia.

00:26:17.260 But here in the United States, you had influential Jews in media and culture. And in many ways,

00:26:22.200 the events of World War II bought them kind of a bit of a hall pass. It was very anti-Semitism.

00:26:27.440 We just talked about this with Kevin MacDonald. It was pretty rife in the 20s and the 30s. Most

00:26:31.720 World War II soldiers, I think it was 59% of them, they said they didn't want Jews in America. So

00:26:36.200 anti-Semitism was very prevalent, most certainly in Europe, certainly in Russia, prior to the

00:26:41.320 Bolshevik revolution, and even in America, but after this event happened and it was leveraged

00:26:46.240 and used, criticism all of a sudden went to be a very serious thing. Here's some of the accounts,

00:26:52.100 this is how it kind of grew in our national consciousness. This institutional enshrinement,

00:26:56.240 reading again from the same article, was amplified by a torrent of holocaust-related media,

00:27:00.740 beginning with a survivor accounts like Eugene Kogan's Der SS Stat in 1946, Primo Levi's If This

00:27:06.800 is a Man in 1947, and fictional works like John Hershey's The Wall in 1950. These are very early

00:27:13.560 on. These are some of them not even a full year after Nuremberg, each weaving the reported Nazi

00:27:18.400 persecution into global consciousness. The 1960s and the 1970s brought historical studies like

00:27:24.500 Raoul Hilberg's The Destruction of the European Jews in 1961, and dramatizations like the miniseries

00:27:29.740 Holocaust in 1978, which burned the narrative into public memory. Cloud Lasman's Shoah, again

00:27:37.020 that's the Hebrew translation of Holocaust, in 1985, Art Spielman's Maus in 1986, and Steven

00:27:43.500 Spielberg's fictional masterpiece Schindler's List in 1993, blended testimony and storytelling,

00:27:49.300 establishing the Holocaust story as the parable of good versus evil. In 2012, Robert and Carol

00:27:54.720 Reimer's Historical Dictionary of the Holocaust Cinema, listed over 600 Holocaust-related films,

00:28:00.860 documentaries, and television productions demonstrating the narrative's profound reach

00:28:04.800 in modern media. In the digital era, works like Ken Burns, the U.S., and the Holocaust in 2022,

00:28:11.420 and the Zone of Interest in 2024, continue to shape moral imaginations, ensuring the narrative's

00:28:16.700 enduring grip on hearts and minds, and fortifying it against those who dare to question its claims.

00:28:23.360 The U.S. per capita has more Holocaust memorials than any other nation in the world, save Israel.

00:28:29.220 We have to admit we are ground zero for this narrative, this new religion.

00:28:33.960 Sure, there's memorials in South Africa.

00:28:36.060 Sure, there are in Mexico.

00:28:37.500 Australia.

00:28:38.220 But it really is the U.S.

00:28:39.360 And as you notice from the directors of those movies, Jews that live in America very much so felt the need to bring the narrative forward into movies, film, series, radio, books, memorials that you could attend.

00:28:53.720 We just have to be honest, that's how it was accomplished.

00:28:56.080 It's not just merely the fact that so many people died.

00:28:59.500 Millions upon millions of people, more, most certainly than six million, died in the free state of Congo in the early 1900s, as I mentioned.

00:29:06.480 We talked about, we've talked about before, the Holmendor.

00:29:09.660 Millions of Christian Ukrainians starved by Stalin's regime.

00:29:14.000 Communism itself, not a singular event, but over the course of the early years of terror in the 1920s,

00:29:20.680 killed between 20 to 30 million Russians, most of them Christian.

00:29:25.040 It's not just about the numbers.

00:29:26.300 It's not as though no genocide has ever killed more than a million.

00:29:29.500 We have this event that surpassed them all.

00:29:32.220 It's about who it was claimed to have been done to.

00:29:35.560 And those same people that identified with it, understandably, took that story and they went back and they made movie after movie.

00:29:43.620 Over 600.

00:29:45.040 We don't have 600 movies about the Battle of Midway against the Japanese, about Okinawa, Iwo Jima.

00:29:50.960 We have less than 100 of those.

00:29:52.500 It was their involvement in media and film.

00:29:54.480 We just have to be honest, that's why the narrative is so prevalent.

00:29:57.980 And I want to point out something that's also more unique, which is that these films and these books that have been written, they aren't necessarily about the Jewish identity. Actually, often they're about the American identity. And what they do is they look back to the Holocaust and that history through the American lens. Well, what does it say about America?

00:30:16.400 I think recently, in the last five years or so, there was an HBO series called The Plot Against America, actually, and was also a little bit of some counterfactual history or revisionist history where the isolationists in America at the time, so you think of like Charles Lindbergh, and people were saying, we don't want to go into the war.

00:30:33.540 they were actually pretty friendly to the Nazis and Hitler's regime, that they win. And that they

00:30:39.280 actually win, and America doesn't enter the war. And Nazism is actually brought over into America.

00:30:45.580 And it centers around a Jewish family, I think, in New York, some borough of New York City,

00:30:51.120 and tells the story of their life as the swell of Nazism comes over. And now they're seeing it

00:30:57.180 right up, and it's come to their doorstep. And it's obviously called The Plot Against America.

00:31:01.860 And so it isn't necessarily about it isn't about the Jews over in Europe. It's actually about the Jews in America. And so you have to you have to do this reckoning of, you know, even if you think about some of the memorials we've discussed in Argentina and South Africa.

00:31:17.460 The difference is in America that it actually is foundational to the modern American identity, Captain America.

00:31:26.780 We fight Nazis. That is the American identity.

00:31:30.780 And so it's so deep-seated in American history now that it's worth calling into question, why did this change?

00:31:40.560 what happened what forces were at work to change uh slow over time through these this media and

00:31:47.640 this influence change america's view and america's view of itself right that's a really good point

00:31:53.620 yeah i mean a lot of you know as a little kid you know you're growing up you're reading you know

00:31:59.240 about world war ii or studying the history you think of you know uh black and white pictures

00:32:04.640 of soldiers, you know, storming beaches. And there's a sense of, of pride, you know, a sense

00:32:10.020 of identity. Like this is, this is who I am, you know, and, um, this is, you know, these are my

00:32:15.280 ancestors. These are my fathers. This is, um, this is our claim, uh, what we did. And so it's really

00:32:22.140 hard when something becomes personalized, when something becomes religious, when something

00:32:27.460 becomes sensational, when something becomes foundational for your country's whole identity,

00:32:35.620 then it's really hard to then investigate that from a place of objectivity without bias.

00:32:43.660 Because the moment that you even begin to question, it's not just that you're,

00:32:49.420 it's from both sides of the equation. So the moment that somebody questions something like

00:32:53.660 the holocaust it's not just that they'll receive you know accusations from one side saying so you're

00:32:59.840 trying to minimize the the atrocities of hitler um no you you also receive accusations from the

00:33:06.180 other side um you know usually the same people but just two different tactics where they'll say

00:33:11.720 you're trying to minimize the achievements of your great grandfather you know right of your

00:33:18.300 own country i people bled and died um to do this great thing and you're discounting it and you're

00:33:27.200 even bringing into question that that your own you know fathers might be the bad guys which very few

00:33:33.640 people take that approach and i don't even i don't take that approach my the furthest that i would

00:33:38.480 even be willing to consider is not that you know that our american fathers who entered the world

00:33:43.020 were the bad guys. But I would push back and say, okay, but is this a war that we should have

00:33:51.560 participated in the first place? Should we have even entered the war? And the reality is that

00:33:57.420 on the ground at the time, everything has been sensationalized now. Everything has become

00:34:01.460 religious now. But if you're able to turn back the pages of time and look at some of the polls,

00:34:09.440 even political polls uh in america um it was not popular um it wasn't until pearl harbor that

00:34:17.500 that america even right you know even seriously considered uh entering the fray until then people

00:34:24.600 that the mainline consensus was it's not our fight you know it's not our fight i think of

00:34:31.360 the propaganda no american boys will die in a european war like that was a very very common

00:34:37.320 propaganda in world war one and world war two as well and then just going to quickly to your point

00:34:42.060 about history and you know the reasonable question of should we have fought in that war uh three other

00:34:49.300 wars come to mind where that no one challenges that that questioning the war on terror yeah

00:34:53.920 vietnam and korea oh wait those are the last three wars we fought in right so um and it's perfectly

00:34:59.700 fine to question those another one would be the war you know it's not war in the traditional sense

00:35:04.720 but the you know uh the war on drugs yeah like i mean like that's what the you know political left

00:35:11.120 and blm and you know woke marxists you know that i mean that's what they've been questioning for

00:35:15.580 what 15 20 years and they kind of achieved their high watermark in 2020 2021 and maybe 2022

00:35:22.940 underneath the biden presidency was like um look at this uh terrible terrible thing that we did

00:35:28.480 we took um drug addicts and criminals and actually gave them penalties isn't that atrocious you know

00:35:35.960 and and they actually for a moment there uh they were winning the propaganda war like i mean

00:35:42.520 seriously there was there was a time where i mean every fortune 500 company was putting a black

00:35:48.420 square you know on their you know at in in replacement of their logo and everybody on

00:35:53.300 their facebook page you know was putting a black square for their profile picture people and but

00:35:58.280 it wasn't just black people are oppressed like think about that for a second it was it was a

00:36:02.600 revisionist history uh not going all the way back to slavery and those kinds of things but it was

00:36:08.160 also a revisionist history on more more recent policies namely tough on crime policies the war

00:36:15.120 on drugs the war on you know um it was it was revisionist history it was saying you know what

00:36:20.140 maybe america did the wrong thing maybe we were too harsh maybe we should not have been involved

00:36:27.680 ourselves in in these ways and so my point is just to say that um every major you know mainline

00:36:35.140 historical narrative has been up for questioning it has been right um it has been you know picked

00:36:44.000 apart to death and and and no one bats an eye you know but but then there's one historical event

00:36:51.040 that is um it's not just if someone questions it people would push back and say you're wrong

00:36:56.720 on historical grounds no it would be you're wrong on moral grounds you're a monster you're sinister

00:37:04.680 you're wicked how dare you that's unusual we're unable to see world war ii for the tragedy that

00:37:11.340 it was i have a lot of german lineage that was here in the united states for a long time

00:37:15.120 and those that went to the western front to fight fought and killed their german relatives the

00:37:21.020 united states and germany at the time were both purportedly majority christian nations so majority

00:37:25.560 christian european nations slaughtered each other by the millions and for what germany was never

00:37:31.880 coming here even today when you hear the narrative of america only i think we should be america first

00:37:36.400 forever and america only for the time being yeah we've got a lot of problems here that's what i

00:37:40.640 saw someone america first forever america only for now there could be a time where we could help out

00:37:44.800 nigerian christians yeah i'm not i'm not an isolationist um in all times in all places right

00:37:51.080 i'm not um but i look at how we have had our hand in every single affair around the world for 50

00:37:57.380 years and i'm like you know what uh right now maybe just mind your own business but matt walsh

00:38:02.960 was saying america only and i saw someone come back and say and they put a map up you know what

00:38:07.940 of course america covered in a swastika if we were america only this is what would have happened

00:38:13.220 are you what's just are you retarded even the logistics like so again practically right so

00:38:20.000 take the religiosity you know the religious fervor and sensationalism out of it just looking

00:38:25.840 at on on the historical grounds and and the political logistics um there is no way that

00:38:34.220 adolf hitler and and germany were going to be able to completely conquer um america on you know

00:38:41.660 that's separated by an ocean um it wasn't going to happen germany is smaller than texas and hitler

00:38:48.260 clearly said france to the france france america for the americans america for the americans it's

00:38:53.460 this mythologizing the blowing up and again you lose the tragedy hitler may slaughter each other

00:38:59.200 he may have colonized um some parts of africa i think is possible yep uh but so did the british

00:39:05.960 for resources yeah to help for militarization uh but so did the british so have we you know so um

00:39:12.580 so you would have you know if you looked at africa for instance so did the french my goodness

00:39:16.580 like I remember you know as a teenager you know going and visiting Kenya and Tanzania and you

00:39:22.720 know they all spoke Swahili but um but you know they would see Mzungu you know like a white person

00:39:28.620 you know all the kids are pointing you know because you're you're a sight you know you stand

00:39:33.540 out you know some of them had never you know if they were a young child never seen a white person

00:39:37.420 before and you know they would approach you and I remember being asked you know the moment they

00:39:43.020 realized that I couldn't speak Swahili beyond, you know, like, you know, like,

00:39:47.560 thank you very much, you know, I think, or, you know, those kinds of things. The basics,

00:39:53.460 they would say, well, do you speak French? It's French. They say French, French. And I remember

00:39:58.320 thinking like, what, like, what, what is this country, you know, in the middle of Africa,

00:40:02.980 why are they asking me if I don't speak Swahili, it makes sense they speak Swahili, but like,

00:40:07.280 why are they asking when they realize I don't speak Swahili, if I spoke French and say, oh,

00:40:11.400 because they were colonized by the french that's that's why that makes sense so my point is like

00:40:16.300 africa uh you would have had um you know french colonies which we have you you'd have british

00:40:23.340 colonies you know then maybe some american colonies and then some german colonies but beyond

00:40:29.540 that beyond that and maybe poland and maybe you know a couple places in europe you but you would

00:40:35.920 still have great britain you would still have france you would still have spain and you certainly

00:40:41.100 would still have america and to think that you know like like that kind of argument from people

00:40:47.260 and we see it on social media you're citing something that happened just recently that

00:40:50.760 kind of argument is you have to understand it categorically is no different from um screaming

00:40:56.820 feminists and leftists saying um you know if trump is elected uh we're gonna have you know

00:41:03.540 all the women in america you know with uh bonnets and uh and red dresses forced to carry babies for

00:41:10.660 wealthy men right for like and and that's laughable but i guess what what i'm saying is

00:41:16.820 that you know like not so much the left leftists are going to left us right they they uh they

00:41:21.640 and they slithered across the floor left leftily um they're going to do what they're going to do

00:41:28.080 but what's unique is that when leftists talk about well if trump wins you know then you're

00:41:32.800 going to have this oppression of women citing the hands-made tale and conservatives then would

00:41:37.360 respond and say that's ridiculous that's sensational that's hyperbolic that's not true

00:41:42.440 but then when it comes to this issue right well if america hadn't joined the world the

00:41:48.880 the war the entire world would be speaking german and there'd be swastikas you know everywhere

00:41:54.080 well when it comes to that narrative it's not just leftists who are promulgating it but the

00:41:59.620 conservatives actually all of a sudden reach across the aisle and join hands with them and

00:42:04.200 are on the exact same page saying you're right that's for sure what would have happened and

00:42:10.580 there's no basis for it yeah and on the point of america first america only isolationist

00:42:16.960 interventionist sort of scheme uh i you know if you look at the first 150 years just as a matter

00:42:22.480 of american history you look at the first 150 years of our foreign policy you have the america

00:42:28.200 first america only isolationist view that's espoused in washington you know washington's

00:42:32.260 farewell address. Early on, the country's in its nascency. We need to establish our systems and

00:42:38.740 establish our sort of governance before we start to involve ourselves in foreign affairs.

00:42:43.860 Then you go to James Monroe and you get the Monroe Doctrine. And so for those who don't know what

00:42:48.440 the Monroe Doctrine was, it was essentially the idea that, you know, at the time you still had

00:42:53.280 European colonization in the Western Hemisphere. So you had France, who was up in Canada. You had

00:42:58.780 you had spain who was still down here and what the policy was is we don't want european powers

00:43:05.860 in our backyard so our foreign policy is simply going to be protect our our interests in the

00:43:10.900 western hemisphere and that's it then you get roosevelt's i think it's a corollary to the

00:43:16.820 monroe doctrine which basically espouses the same idea now we're all the way up to the turn of the

00:43:20.960 20th century past the 20th century and america's policy is still we don't want to get involved on

00:43:25.980 the other side of the globe. We only care about America and our backyard. Uh, then you, you look

00:43:30.840 for the next 100 and a hundred years to 120 years where we're at today. And it's been the exact

00:43:35.700 opposite policy. It's been, we are everywhere. We have CIA and basically every government, um,

00:43:42.060 around the world, and we are not shy on policing, uh, nations we have virtually no interest, uh,

00:43:48.720 in. So, uh, yeah. And so as a matter of history, actually to say America first, America only to

00:43:54.180 say i'm quasi isolationist but there are certainly uh there'll be some exceptions where yeah there'd

00:43:59.740 be an exception uh like that's actually the we should be a christian nation uh christians in

00:44:04.800 nigeria being objectively persecuted that would be i think one exception exactly if things weren't as

00:44:11.000 terrible as they are right now like let's say that we were a christian nation number one we'd be

00:44:15.720 minding our business and there would be the exceptions would be few and far between we would

00:44:19.640 mainly be you know concerned about our backyard there would be from time to time some of those

00:44:24.520 rare exceptions where we go and get that oil no when we go and actually protect people yep

00:44:30.440 predominantly because they're white um no predominantly because they're christian and

00:44:35.680 nigerians would actually fit the bill that that would be a suitable example and so like again

00:44:40.560 just to to use as an example why we are not strict isolationists for all time um that would

00:44:47.620 be an exception that i think all three of us would agree with that we would say yeah let's um let's

00:44:52.900 go and save those nigerian christians and bring them here no no you don't get to come here um

00:44:58.380 but uh ensure that you're not slaughtered and put to death um so that's something that you could do

00:45:04.140 which wouldn't even require that many people on the ground in terms of american troops

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00:48:47.660 i want to get to the religious aspects of the holocaust i referenced earlier that the hebrew

00:48:53.340 word for holocaust is the word show which stands for a burnt offering and you have this symbolism

00:48:58.780 all through the old testament that to cleanse the people to atone for the people you needed a burnt

00:49:04.900 sacrifice you needed something that was consumed in whole i don't think it's a coincidence that

00:49:10.520 you see as part of the holocaust narrative that you had ash you had chambers you had smoke it's

00:49:16.780 not just the world is not just stuff there are ideas and truths that are deeper than truths

00:49:22.140 that are truer than true in symbols.

00:49:24.280 And so, again, we're operating with the assumption

00:49:26.460 the narrative is as it stands.

00:49:28.320 Gas chambers were used, ovens were used

00:49:30.940 to cremate bodies to go ahead and get rid of them.

00:49:33.640 I don't think it's a coincidence

00:49:34.660 that the central standpoint of this new Western religion

00:49:38.120 is a religion that similarly has sacrifice,

00:49:42.340 burnt offerings, smoke, the death of the innocent

00:49:45.180 to atone for the sins of the many,

00:49:48.360 a new original sin, Nazism.

00:49:50.520 i mean it's a word that real quick that that's so insightful that you said i just want to pause

00:49:55.000 for a moment because when you think of again from like a logistical standpoint and you're if you're

00:49:59.660 thinking of like i want to steal man a particular narrative that is the most defensible has the most

00:50:05.160 primary sources you know it's it's the most credible and and easy to prove um and and i'm

00:50:11.280 on the side of you know i i think that um an atrocity took place and i think that it was very

00:50:16.000 bad and i want it to be etched in people's minds i want them to remember this never again mentality

00:50:20.720 um if that's all you're trying to accomplish then uh then why not stick with what what is

00:50:27.120 most provable what's most defensible and say look a ton of people right you could you say

00:50:33.000 hundreds of thousands or you know some people are going of course to say millions but a ton of

00:50:38.080 people uh regardless many many people uh died and they died of starvation they died of firing squads

00:50:45.780 They died of disease because they were malnourished and not taken care of and, you know, these kinds of things.

00:50:52.220 And so tons and tons of people died.

00:50:55.180 But that's not, when you think of the main narrative, right, when you think of the Holocaust, you don't merely think, all right, this might be included in the mental image that comes to mind.

00:51:06.300 But it's not, this is not all you think.

00:51:10.320 you don't just think of disease, of starvation, and of executions by firing squad. The quintessential

00:51:19.140 picture is gas chambers and ovens. It's ash, it's fire, it's smoke. And that's, you know,

00:51:29.780 I'm just, without making a claim one way or the other, it is historically settled that that at

00:51:37.860 least has the least support so regardless of taking a clear hard line stance on it did happen

00:51:44.560 or it didn't happen or it happened with this many people no it happened with that many people now

00:51:50.600 my point is just to say um that that element of the holocaust has the least primary sources the

00:51:57.520 least provable uh data um in order to support so you're taking because there's no evidence left

00:52:04.260 there's no bodies that are buried correct that's it's logistical problem this seems a high quantity

00:52:09.060 of bodies to bury that's what you're getting at with the least support yes so to say the weakest

00:52:13.200 part of it is it just simply would be logistically impossible and yet the the portion of the narrative

00:52:19.180 that is has the least historical support the most difficult to prove is the the exact portion of

00:52:27.660 the narrative that is most seared into the conscience of every every culture on the planet

00:52:35.460 including i mean i would argue especially americans so why is the least provable element

00:52:41.900 the most memorable um and most frequently talked about and depicted in films and you know and all

00:52:49.200 these kind of things and i think the point that you're making wes i bring all that back to you but

00:52:53.520 I think the answer is because it's that element is is is uniquely religious right fire burnt

00:53:03.660 offerings that's a great similar to if you're familiar with George Washington a story about

00:53:09.760 him chopping a cherry tree with one yeah like the things that you were or him tossing a penny

00:53:14.220 throwing it all the way across the Potomac which if you've ever been in Potomac is completely

00:53:18.100 unreasonable to think that a man could do that but these are the things you remember why it's

00:53:21.700 the stories that we tell, we're trying to tell something religious about it. George Washington

00:53:25.580 as this godlike figure in American history. And so, yeah, and so we can look at many different

00:53:31.440 stories and see those same kind of elements, the most unbelievable or most unverifiable elements

00:53:38.240 actually becoming the things that are most known. Yes. Listen to this quote from Catholic Bishop

00:53:44.480 Richard Williamson. He says this, the new religion, speaking of Holocaustianity,

00:53:49.500 is very seductive. It is very soft and sweet and sticky, and it's easy to go with it and lose the

00:53:54.840 Christian faith. You have a new and different faith, a happy, clappy faith where everybody's

00:53:58.800 nice and everybody's sweet. The only sin still left is Nazi sin. Hitler is the devil. The six

00:54:04.860 million are the redeemer, and that's deadly. It's got nothing to do with the Christian faith except

00:54:08.940 that it's a clever imitation because you get Ostwitch instead of Golgotha and the gas chamber

00:54:13.560 instead of the cross. That's deadly. Can I blaspheme our Lord Jesus Christ? Does anybody worry?

00:54:18.800 no problem blaspheme as much as you'd like can i blaspheme against the holocaust horror horror

00:54:25.140 he's a heretic there you can see the real religion of the governments today of politics today and of

00:54:30.840 the mass of the people today he's catholic but i i think he's really insightful you have these

00:54:35.860 these cornerstones we just mentioned it as far as a sacrifice but you also have another stand in for

00:54:40.640 original sin you have new saints dietrich bonhoeffer he was executed after attempting to

00:54:45.900 assassinate Adolf Hitler. It seems from his writing, he denied the virgin birth and the

00:54:52.100 resurrection from the dead. So according to the standards of the Christian faith, the man was a

00:54:57.100 heretic. The Lord knows what happened to his soul. And arguably also denied inerrancy of scripture.

00:55:03.280 Yep. So the Christian faith will be held to be essential. He seemed not to affirm those things,

00:55:09.640 but he's held up as a saint. Movies are made about him. Dietrich Bonhoeff, what would you do in the

00:55:15.080 face of evil? What would Dietrich have done? We hold up these new saints, these new sacrifices.

00:55:21.180 I'm about to read a quote from John Piper about these new crucifixions. You have a new original

00:55:26.300 sin, Nazism, racial supremacy. You have a new devil, Adolf Hitler. This functions as a religion.

00:55:33.220 With COVID, there was very many aspects of it too that felt very religious in nature. A new priest,

00:55:38.120 dr fauci a new sacrament you had ostensibly christian ministers saying the covid shot

00:55:45.700 is kind of like the resurrection where the aborted fetal cells that have been used in the vaccine

00:55:50.600 lines have been used now in this vaccine that gives life and it's kind of like how jesus died

00:55:55.540 like this aborted infant died and then gives life in their death it was a religion the mask was the

00:56:01.940 sacrament the vaccines were the sacrament there was priests there was a church there was good works

00:56:06.780 you had all of that. And what we have here is it's a longer standing one than the COVID religion,

00:56:12.620 but a new religion nonetheless. Dennis Prager in 2022, he wrote an article, you can see the

00:56:18.400 headline on the screen here, if Holocaust deniers don't go to hell, there is no God. Now Dennis

00:56:24.420 Prager is an Orthodox Jew, he's not a Christian, but he went so far as to say if they don't go to

00:56:29.560 hell, if the people who deny this historic event don't go to hell, I would refuse to believe that

00:56:35.980 god even exists because he wouldn't punish someone so evil as to deny that yeah it's absolutely

00:56:42.060 insane crazy um when you think of actual true statements it would be if crucifixion deniers

00:56:50.280 or if resurrection deniers don't go to hell then there is no god but here you have the replacement

00:56:58.980 of the life, death, and burial, and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ with the life, death,

00:57:07.120 cremation, and ascension of their ashes and smoke of six million Jews. It is a replacement

00:57:14.400 religion. It is not mere history. It is religious. It pains me to quote from this article because I

00:57:20.960 think all of us have been impacted positively, negatively in some ways, but positively in many

00:57:25.180 ways by Dr. John Piper. He's an older man. He's, in many ways, had a faithful ministry. But this

00:57:31.280 is a 2003 article titled, The Passion of Jesus Christ and the Passion of Vostewich. And some of

00:57:37.140 this I will chalk up to John Piper as a very bleeding heart. He's a man with a lot of sympathy

00:57:41.740 and a lot of compassion for people in suffering. He has a pastor's heart in many ways. But this is

00:57:46.780 an example of how even otherwise orthodox, otherwise solid, otherwise faithful ministers,

00:57:51.820 how even this narrative in what we think to be a true Christian, I think we'll see John Piper in

00:57:56.660 heaven, even in a true Christian, they can say things that are borderline tantamount to blasphemy.

00:58:03.260 I'm actually going to start with this quote here. This is from the short article, The Passion of

00:58:07.660 Jesus Christ and the Passion of Auschwitz. At one point he says this, I'm not going to read the

00:58:11.600 whole article. He says, the denial that Christ was crucified is like the denial of the Holocaust.

00:58:17.820 for some it is simply too horrific to affirm for others it is an elaborate conspiracy to coerce

00:58:23.460 religious sympathy but the deniers live in a historical dream world jesus suffered unspeakably

00:58:29.340 and died so did jews literally on the same line the life death resurrection of the son of god

00:58:37.580 historic certainty that he lived died and rose again and we literally we have to make a line

00:58:45.000 right below it. So did Jews. His words, the denial that Christ was crucified is like the denial of

00:58:51.960 the Holocaust. What are we doing? Yeah. Strange. This is a more extended quote, but he's going to

00:59:00.360 continue to link this idea of suffering at Calvary and the suffering at the extermination camp in

00:59:05.820 eastern Germany or Poland at Ostwich. He says here, I'm not thinking of cause or blame. I'm

00:59:11.880 thinking of hope. Is there a way that Jewish suffering may find, not its cause, but its final

00:59:17.100 meaning in the suffering of Jesus Christ? Is it possible to think not of Christ's passion leading

00:59:21.880 to Auschwitz, but of Auschwitz leading to an understanding of Christ's passion? Right there,

00:59:26.460 he's just kind of making the point that intense human suffering can point us to Christ. That is

00:59:30.700 a fair point. We'll totally grant that. Is the link between Calvary and the camps a link of

00:59:35.200 unfathomable empathy? Perhaps only Jesus, in the end, can know what happened during the one long

00:59:40.480 night of Jewish suffering. Perhaps a generation of Jewish people whose grandparents endured

00:59:45.980 their own noxious crucifixion will be able to, as no others, to grasp what happened to the Son of

00:59:52.580 God at Calvary. And he does say, he says, I leave this as a question I do not know. But again, in his

00:59:58.280 own words, perhaps unlike any other people, these people that suffered through this can empathize

01:00:05.040 with Christ at Calvary. That is elevating a historical event to the level of religion.

01:00:11.980 And as long as that religion has a grip on our psyche, has a grip on our movies, I mean, education,

01:00:18.400 Holocaust education, it's mandatory in many, many states. You have to go to the museums.

01:00:23.840 I was doing research for an article and coming out of one of the Holocaust museums,

01:00:29.360 the children were encouraged to write on a little card things that they learned and things that

01:00:32.640 they're going to take away. And I could see on the board there, this was in Chicago. One little girl

01:00:37.520 had written on her note, what have you learned? What did you take away from this? I've learned to

01:00:42.280 be kind and welcoming to immigrants. Now, I'm not going to pick on the little girl here, but don't

01:00:46.980 miss the connection of the ideas. The Holocaust is what happens when you close your borders. The

01:00:52.100 Holocaust is what happens when you're critical of groups of people. The Holocaust is what happens

01:00:56.660 when you say, hey, there's some problems here. And we're noticing a certain group of people

01:01:00.780 predominantly involved in this and if you go down that path you'll never come back from the spiral

01:01:05.620 of hate that you're in and so you must be open you must be radically welcoming you can't have

01:01:11.480 borders not in your heart not in your love not for your country you need to welcome everyone and

01:01:15.900 anyone that wants to come here because if you don't you could be gassing jews too yep and so

01:01:21.740 essentially it's a false dichotomy but it's you know feels in terms of perception and optics very

01:01:27.500 very real this choice um held you know as as though there are only two options two and only

01:01:35.620 two options you can be a moral person um or you can want to have a country and that's it

01:01:43.120 and if you want to have a country and the things that are prerequisites to having a country like

01:01:49.640 a people in place and borders in order to be able to govern and mitigate that people being eroded

01:01:56.700 and displaced and deracinated and all those different things.

01:02:00.580 If you believe that we should have a country,

01:02:03.660 that we're allowed to have a country

01:02:05.400 and do the things necessary in order to have that country,

01:02:09.240 then you are a sinister person.

01:02:11.620 Or as an alternative, you can be a very good person,

01:02:15.820 but being a very good person, a moral person,

01:02:18.560 what that requires as a prerequisite

01:02:20.460 is the complete inclusion of everyone else.

01:02:24.180 What it requires to be a good person

01:02:26.000 is you can be a good individual, a moral individual, but you cannot have a people.

01:02:31.900 So you can have morality as a person, but you cannot have a people.

01:02:36.340 Or you can have a people, but you cannot have God.

01:02:39.820 You cannot have morality.

01:02:41.260 You cannot have heaven.

01:02:42.560 So I can have a people, but I can't have goodness.

01:02:48.460 I can't have morality.

01:02:49.880 I can't have a conscience any longer.

01:02:52.140 or I can have a conscience morality but in order to do that in order to attain sainthood in order

01:02:59.640 to attain to the status of being a good person I have to tie my hands behind my back I have to say

01:03:06.400 that you know that I don't have a home I don't have a place I don't have a country I don't have

01:03:13.840 a people and my children don't have a future and those are your choices basically you can love your

01:03:20.680 kids and want them to have a country and a hope and a future. Or you can be a good person. And

01:03:28.820 I think it's a sham. I think that it's a false dichotomy. I don't think that that's the way it

01:03:35.100 shakes out at all. But although I'll rail against that false dichotomy and that framing, at the

01:03:43.200 same time, for those who will not see it and will never see it any other way, they'll only see those

01:03:49.120 two options, then, you know, for all intents and purposes, as it's perceived by them, then sure,

01:03:56.060 I will be a monster, a monster who ensures a future for my children. I'll do that every day

01:04:04.060 of the week and twice on Sunday, if the only alternative is being a nice person, but my

01:04:09.800 children don't stand a chance. Yeah, I think that's a great point. I think it's, when I think

01:04:16.280 about this, and I think this is kind of the overarching theme of how we're talking about this,

01:04:20.880 is it's as much about the history as it is the premises that were built and the lessons that

01:04:26.800 were drawn from the history. And I think what we're finding is so often Christ's enemies and

01:04:31.900 the church's enemies don't allow you to separate those two things. In other words, it's to question

01:04:38.480 borders, to question these things, is to question the Holocaust and whether the Holocaust happened.

01:04:43.940 And so even if you, as we're attempting to do, say, assume the history and assume the prevailing narrative about the Holocaust, we want to attack the premises and the lessons drawn from it, and our enemies are still going to say, you're questioning the Holocaust, because they're so inextricably linked.

01:05:02.840 And I think the Holocaust Memorial or Holocaust Museum example is case in point of those things.

01:05:09.360 That it's not enough to affirm the Holocaust.

01:05:12.220 It also is that you must affirm the history, the prevailing narratives that continue on in America's ethos as well.

01:05:20.620 It's why we defend verbal plenary inspiration.

01:05:23.600 Every word of the Bible divinely inspired and divinely preserved.

01:05:26.960 Because we know if you question even one part of it and we say, well, 99% of it's true.

01:05:31.420 but you know there's one part here like was it really that many did joshua really cross the

01:05:35.840 jordan if you do that then how certain can we be of other parts to it so we hold the whole narrative

01:05:40.840 and we say from the beginning to the end every single word inspired by god because all of it

01:05:47.260 fits together if you can question part of it then you can question all of it you can question and we

01:05:51.660 as christians know that's a great example we know how important it is with every fiber of our being

01:05:57.920 to defend at the cost of our lives the inerrancy of scripture because if any of it can be questioned

01:06:04.240 all of it can be questioned and ultimately we lose the bible and that being the grounds

01:06:09.540 of our religion the christian faith and i think that um you know christians understand that as

01:06:17.220 it pertains the equivalency within the christian paradigm but also i think um holocaustianity

01:06:24.680 they understand this as well there are christians and then there are judeo christians and judeo

01:06:32.240 christianity is an alternate religion and so for the judeo christian it's not the bible it's uh

01:06:39.520 it's the it's the newspaper clippings and the nuremberg trials and you know that that's their

01:06:44.900 plenary you know inspiration a verbal plenary and inspiration that's their you know inerrancy

01:06:50.100 And they're going to defend it at all costs because they know if anything can be questioned, it can all be questioned.

01:06:57.160 And if that historical narrative is questioned, then the religious implications, that's what they're most concerned about, that come out of it, that all that begins to crumble.

01:07:08.340 And so they're defending.

01:07:09.960 And we have to see it this way.

01:07:11.220 This isn't just a battle between historians.

01:07:14.200 This is a battle of religions.

01:07:16.400 There are two predominant religions in the United States.

01:07:19.280 yes, there are more Muslims coming in. Yes, there are more Hindus and Buddhists coming in.

01:07:24.960 But by and large, there are two predominant religions that are at war right now for

01:07:29.820 prominence in the United States. Christianity and Holocaustianity. Christianity and Judeo-Christianity.

01:07:38.580 The Bible and World War II. That is the battle. And what we're realizing more and more,

01:07:49.280 as every day passes, we're realizing this ideology, this religion, it is idolatry.

01:07:59.620 It is idolatry. It is a direct enemy of the gospel of Jesus Christ. It is. And it must crumble.

01:08:09.220 It must crumble. And when I say that, we're not saying, and therefore we must hold that nothing

01:08:16.180 bad happened under you know under the third reich that no atrocities occurred that no sin

01:08:23.060 no but what we're saying is um we believe something happened and again we're not historians

01:08:28.620 so we're not going to put exact details and exact numbers and exact timelines on everything but we

01:08:34.580 we know there's enough proof of at least these elements did happen um and some of that there's

01:08:40.700 a reason, right? It's war, after all. And then some of that, even though it was war, we would

01:08:46.340 say is still immoral. And you can hold that position in the history category. But then over

01:08:52.100 here as a Christian, with your chief devotion being to the Lord Jesus Christ and to the truth

01:08:57.200 of scripture, say in the religious category, we deny all of it. Do I deny the Holocaust

01:09:04.620 historically all of it wholesale no do i deny holocaustianity as a religion you betcha 100

01:09:15.640 uh and going back to the point of it's all a package deal if you don't have the holocaust

01:09:21.760 then the narrative well white people can kind of have their home like we've got to be honest that's

01:09:26.060 the impetus of it you can't have your home you can't have your own place you can't have your

01:09:29.560 own people because it would lead to this. We saw what happened to it. And so it's that package deal

01:09:35.840 because when you lose that part of it, maybe actually white people are allowed to have their

01:09:39.780 own space. They've gone from 36% of the world to like 12%. They're a rapidly diminishing global

01:09:44.940 minority. Well, we've got to keep that up because we know even if 5% of them have their own place

01:09:50.680 with their own laws and strictly enforced borders, we know what would happen there.

01:09:54.500 we've got to be honest, there's an antagonism. European Jews or Europeans and Jews, they don't

01:10:02.680 like each other. Like this has been 1500 years. They don't like each other for justified reasons

01:10:08.960 and unjustified reasons. And this has been weaponized. Guys, you saw the movies, you saw

01:10:13.480 the memorials, you saw the last names that made the movies. This has been weaponized against

01:10:19.120 Europeans to say, you guys can't advocate. Can I get an early life check on Spielberg?

01:10:24.500 let me look here real quick i'm just curious there's a couple levi's that showed up there

01:10:29.240 okay all right all right any other this has been great you've you came and uh you you did your

01:10:35.300 homework you did well you did the reading you conquered employment you'll never be employed

01:10:39.520 again no i would i would expect nothing less from you wesley todd but uh you did the reading

01:10:43.580 you brought the quotes uh everybody you know if they're watching the guys listening on apple and

01:10:48.260 spotify you know god bless you we appreciate you leave a five-star review or we will find you we

01:10:53.660 have a particular set of skills we will find you give us that five-star review we earned it but for

01:10:58.380 those who are actually visually watching you're on x or you're on youtube um i think i speak for

01:11:03.900 everyone when we say we love a good quote coming in making a little sound popping up on the screen

01:11:10.000 and you brought them i'm looking at your ipad over there and it's just so many words it's just

01:11:14.900 so many slides so many things uh graphs and pictures it's it's phenomenal so i feel like

01:11:20.560 you brought it today. I feel like we covered a lot. Are there any final thoughts on this subject

01:11:25.640 as we kind of land the plane? I would just say my summary, my takeaway is that I actually think

01:11:33.460 a matter of history around the Holocaust is actually beside the point. What we are called

01:11:39.520 to do as Christians is actually attack those things, those ideas and lessons that are in

01:11:44.280 direct contradiction to scripture. And in doing that, yes, you will be called a Holocaust denier.

01:11:49.200 Yes, you will be attacked in the same light as someone who actually questions the real history.

01:11:53.720 But the reality is, is that we shouldn't be forced to defend the bad, the good of history as Christians.

01:12:02.220 We shouldn't be forced to defend those things.

01:12:03.780 What we can absolutely do today is attack and defend, well, I would say defend scripture and attack the ideas that people are actively promulgating.

01:12:12.080 They're using the history to promulgate and to espouse.

01:12:16.060 And so that's what we're called to do.

01:12:17.060 So all that to say for, you know, the Christian out there who's like, well, I don't have time to look into the Holocaust.

01:12:23.180 I don't know if I can come to a complete determination of what did and what didn't happen.

01:12:28.040 That's my encouragement.

01:12:28.960 It's actually, hey, the onus is for you to do that.

01:12:31.280 You don't need to do that.

01:12:32.320 Yeah.

01:12:32.860 That's very well said.

01:12:34.120 And I'll leave it with this just as a pastoral warning.

01:12:38.480 A day is quickly approaching.

01:12:40.640 if we're not already there we will be not in decades but in a matter of months or at most

01:12:47.100 a few years where in the same way that you cannot be a bible believing courageous faithful christian

01:12:54.820 in our current climate without being called a bigot homophobic um you know these guys

01:13:03.900 chauvinistic misogynistic racist um i'm just i'm telling you this is the way it is i don't like it

01:13:12.260 i wish it wasn't but but you are kidding yourself you are fooling yourself if you think that it's

01:13:18.180 anything other than what i'm about to say a day is quickly approaching where you cannot in the west

01:13:25.320 be a faithful bible scripture loving courageous christian without being called anti-semitic

01:13:35.140 it's not going to be possible it's not going to be possible um we are quickly approaching a time

01:13:43.480 where uh if you simply believe the new testament the new testament itself is already being labeled

01:13:50.740 as anti-Semitic by the ADL, right? We're already almost there. And you might console yourself by

01:13:57.900 saying, well, yeah, the ADL, you know, but that's not, you know, that's not, Dennis Prager hasn't

01:14:04.960 said that. Ben Shapiro hasn't said that. Well, one, go back and look at some of the receipts

01:14:11.200 that, you know, there's a few statements that already have been made that might surprise you.

01:14:15.880 But two, even for, you know, some of the individuals that have not gone as far as the ADL yet, my point would be, and that last word, yet, a day is quickly approaching, rapidly approaching, where you cannot be a faithful, Bible-believing, courageous, outspoken Christian without being labeled an anti-Semite.

01:14:41.560 In the same way that if you're a Bible-believing Christian that holds your traditional view of marriage, you will be labeled a bigot.

01:14:48.360 You will be labeled transphobic, homophobic.

01:14:52.240 That same principle is going to apply to this issue, this question of are you an anti-Semite?

01:15:02.820 I see that as either already true or soon to be true.

01:15:09.700 but it is inevitable and every every serious christian needs to be prepared for that and and

01:15:17.520 when i say prepared for that i mean that you need to be able to see that it's coming know that it's

01:15:22.300 coming and be resolved between you and the lord and your loved ones have that conversation with

01:15:29.100 your spouse have that conversation with your children with your local church with your friends

01:15:33.060 and say when that day comes i'm not going to flinch i'm not going to back down

01:15:39.640 I know it's not if, it's simply a matter of when I will be called on the basis of my faith in Jesus

01:15:48.220 and anti-Semite. And when that happens, I'm still going to preach Jesus. I won't back down.

01:15:56.620 That will be a line in the sand and it is quickly approaching. And my prayer and hope as a Christian

01:16:06.020 minister is that Christians will pick the right side, that they will side with Christians, that

01:16:13.480 they will side with Christ, that they will side with scripture, and not with Jews, not with the

01:16:21.340 ADL, not with Israel, not with Judeo-Christianity, not with the neocons, not with the Daily Wire,

01:16:27.040 not with this, that, and the other, but that they would choose the side of Christ, because

01:16:33.920 Because Jesus promised us on that final day that if we were ashamed of him before men, he will be ashamed of us before his father.

01:16:43.880 I'm not ashamed of Jesus, no matter what I'm called, no matter what labels are applied to me.

01:16:51.700 And I pray that by God's grace, you would not be ashamed either.

01:16:55.140 That's our show for today.

01:16:56.440 We hope that you've been blessed by it.

01:16:58.000 We pray that God would strengthen you and give you courage to face future attacks against Christians by enemies of God,

01:17:08.060 which come, for the record, in all shapes, forms, and sizes.

01:17:11.980 And this is just one, but there are many, and we should be prepared.

01:17:16.440 God bless and Godspeed. We'll see you next time.

01:17:28.000 Thank you.

The NXR Podcast - November 21, 2025

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