The NXR Podcast - July 10, 2024


THE LIVESTREAM - Owen Strachan, Immigration, & The Great Commission


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Pastor Joel Webin and Wesley Todd respond to Owen Strawn's criticism of a clip from a panel at the New Christendom Conference and explain why Strawn is wrong about whiteness and multiculturalism in America.

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00:00:00.000 All right. Welcome back to the weekly Wednesday live stream. Here we are. We've got Wesley Todd.
00:00:08.280 We've got Michael Belch and myself, Pastor Joel Webin. We're going to be addressing some of the
00:00:13.780 kerfuffle that has been going on the past few days and especially today on X or Twitter. There
00:00:20.820 are a lot of people that do not like me, which you're probably aware of. But one in particular
00:00:26.860 would be our dear brother in Christ, Owen Strawn, Strachan, Strachan, Strand, Strawn.
00:00:33.780 I've heard like all five of them.
00:00:34.740 I've heard all five of those. Yeah. So I believe it's Strawn. So Owen Strawn does not appreciate
00:00:40.220 a lot of the things that we talk about and he's wrong. And so we're going to go ahead and explain
00:00:46.940 why he's wrong today. So without further ado, let's just start today's episode by showing
00:00:52.040 a clip from, this is from the conference that happened in Ogden, Utah. So this is with Brian
00:00:58.600 Sauve and Eric Kahn and Dan Burkholder and Ben Garrett. Also the other speakers that were there
00:01:05.020 were Joe Rigney and Stephen Wolf and Chase Davis. And I had the privilege of also being one of the
00:01:11.080 speakers. So this was the New Christendom Conference. I believe it was their second
00:01:15.100 annual conference. They did one last year. This is their second one. It just happened
00:01:19.080 in June in Ogden, Utah. And I was asked to speak on a topic, but what got picked out, well,
00:01:26.760 my main session got picked out also. But the particular clip that I'm being criticized for
00:01:32.780 today, I can't keep up with all of it. Last week was my main session. This week is a clip from the
00:01:38.740 panel. So there was a panel that Eric Kahn was moderating and it was me and Brian Sauve and I
00:01:44.960 think Chase and Stephen Wolf and Joe Rigney. So the five of us were on the panel with Eric
00:01:50.640 moderating that panel and I shared a little bit of my own personal experience and my cautions 1.00
00:01:59.300 and frustration and I believe it's a righteous frustration regarding multicultural multiculturalism 0.99
00:02:07.960 And particularly, as I find it to be prevalent in my own neighborhood, in my own town, and 0.99
00:02:16.920 predominantly placing the emphasis of the problem there on multi-cultures, culture,
00:02:23.580 the word comes from cultus, which is Latin, it means worship.
00:02:27.060 And so I put the impetus not on pigment or shades of color of skin, but on worship, religion, 0.97
00:02:36.700 And more precisely, particularly, false religions, that my hometown and my neighborhood, my state is being flooded with non-citizens. 0.98
00:02:48.940 And then even those who are citizens, first generation immigrants who have attained citizenship, which aren't many, but those who have, are still worshiping false gods. 0.98
00:03:01.000 they're not American in any sense of our heritage. And primarily, I'm talking about that being a 1.00
00:03:07.980 problem as it pertains to religion. They worship other gods. They are Hindu. They are Muslim.
00:03:15.260 They are Jews. They are not Christians. So here's the clip that caused lots and lots of concern the 1.00
00:03:23.000 last couple of days. Here we go. Like I walk around my neighborhood and it's not that there
00:03:27.240 different shades of, you know, white and brown. Who cares? No, it's, I mean, it's like full, 0.82
00:03:35.960 straight up Hindu garb at the, our neighborhood swimming pool that my daughter is asking. I'm
00:03:42.800 trying to explain. She's like, you know, what, like, and I don't even know what country I'm in,
00:03:48.260 in my own neighborhood. I just, I don't, I don't know where I am. It's, you know, I mean,
00:03:52.680 The number of, when we go on a family walk, the number of Pakistani, Hindu, all these different, not just ethnicities, but religions with visible religious outfits on.
00:04:08.920 And, you know, the same thing like when we go to Costco, I'm like, where, where am I?
00:04:13.400 I mean, it's rare.
00:04:15.540 We'll go on a family walk, and every now and then we'll pass by a white family that's a man and a woman and has more than one kid. 0.51
00:04:26.680 And every time I see it, I'm like, I don't want to be this way. 0.70
00:04:30.740 But I feel like this small sense of relief.
00:04:34.300 Like, I see you.
00:04:36.780 I'm glad you're one of my neighbors.
00:04:39.040 Because at the end of the day, again, it's not about whiteness.
00:04:42.040 But at the end of the day, if things get rough, I don't know if my Hindu neighbor is going to fight to save the lives of my children.
00:04:51.600 There you have it. Crazy, crazy controversial. 0.95
00:04:55.480 Yeah, I would like for my country, which happens to be the United States of America, to be made up by Americans.
00:05:02.980 And I would like even more so for those Americans to be true to American heritage and founding and for them to be Christian Americans.
00:05:11.600 and so the reason why I said that you know there's a a subtle sense of relief as I'm walking through
00:05:17.500 the neighborhood with my family and I see another family I didn't notice I didn't say I see a 16 0.68
00:05:22.900 year old punk kid but he's white and I just I love it because oh man he's white yeah white power
00:05:29.160 that no that's not what I said I said if I see another family they happen to be white and they
00:05:34.780 actually have a mom and a dad and not two dads and three moms and and they have more than um
00:05:40.440 they're not just walking their dogs. And they have more than just one kid. So I said all those
00:05:45.500 things. So yes, I did say white, but I also said a traditional family. So there's a husband and wife
00:05:50.680 and they have more than just one kid. Then yeah, there's a sense of relief. There's the kind of
00:05:56.560 the quiet nod as you're walking down the street. Because what I'm recognizing there is that this
00:06:00.980 person shares a similar heritage, a similar culture to me that even one, I would say statistically,
00:06:09.080 and if this bothers you then you're just not thinking logically statistically that family
00:06:14.820 i could not know them from adam never had a conversation with them and yet statistically
00:06:19.300 there is a much higher likelihood that that family happens to be christian then then the family of
00:06:25.700 brown skin no the family wearing religious garb of another religion that's antithetical to christian
00:06:32.900 faith. Of course, if I see a family dressed in Hindu garb, it is far less likely that they are 0.94
00:06:44.180 practicing born-again, bona fide Christians than this white family that also might be completely 1.00
00:06:52.520 unregenerate, terrible people. The dad might be secretly looking at porn. Of course, that's 1.00
00:06:56.680 possible. But there is statistically a higher likelihood that they're a Christian. And here's
00:07:01.740 here's the final thing even if they're not christian in the true eternal ultimate sense
00:07:06.620 that is born again by grace alone through faith alone christ alone regenerate even if they're not
00:07:11.040 regenerate there is certainly a much exponentially higher statistically statistical likelihood that
00:07:19.640 they are at least have been shaped for multiple generations now by a general christian milieu a
00:07:27.300 general christian culture so that they think christianly at least on some things there's a
00:07:34.180 higher likelihood that they think in an external you know at least surface level sense they think
00:07:41.240 christianly in a way that the the family that just arrived from india two and a half years ago does
00:07:48.040 not yeah of course they don't and so yes i like living with fellow americans um and especially
00:07:56.360 fellow christian americans and if not christian in the truest sense that's my preference then at
00:08:02.280 least um shaped by christian culture at least uh christian lee even if they're not uh truly
00:08:10.060 regenerate and all that being said um owen strand could not help himself so uh here's a tweet by
00:08:17.580 owen strand here we go we're going to go ahead and pull this up on the screen says regarding
00:08:23.100 Joel Webin's comments. I cannot say this strongly enough to fellow born-again Christians. If Hindu
00:08:29.560 people are in your neighborhood, you have the joyful opportunity to engage them, love them,
00:08:35.620 and proclaim Christ to them. That is the great commission in action. Great. Okay, so now that
00:08:44.920 we have the fifth grade tweet out of the way, let's go ahead and let's see my tweet in response
00:08:50.440 to him. So this is me retweeting Owen. And I use his language, a little tongue in cheek here. I
00:08:57.620 said, regarding Owen Strand's tweet, I cannot say this strongly enough to fellow born again
00:09:02.320 Christians. You must begin to learn how to think in categories. Number one, as a Christian member 0.90
00:09:09.060 of the invisible church, that is as a regenerate Christian, you have an obligation to do the work
00:09:15.080 of an evangelist with your unbelieving neighbors. Nowhere in the clip, I'm pausing for a moment here 0.91
00:09:19.920 for those listening to the podcast pausing my reading of the tweet for a moment to give a
00:09:23.920 little commentary nowhere in that clip picked out by right-wing watch which is a leftist god-hating
00:09:30.300 progressive organization that remarkably often agrees with owen strand let me say that again
00:09:37.760 a leftist progressive god-hating organization that has much in common with owen strand on
00:09:46.900 almost a daily basis right wing watch wants abortion all the way up until the moment of birth
00:09:53.240 and maybe a little bit after that too right wing watch is constantly looking for guys like me
00:09:58.700 guys like brian sauve or eric khan or steven wolf to clip us out and to say and predominantly this
00:10:06.180 is why they're doing it just for the record because it's an election year what they're trying
00:10:09.900 to do is tie us to donald trump so it's not about us it's not that i'm a big deal i i'm not if it's
00:10:15.740 not about us it's uh donald trump is likely going to win in a landslide that's my prediction he's
00:10:22.300 likely going to win in the landslide and it's not even to say that that because he's amazing it's
00:10:27.300 you know you would hope that um that a human being could win against a vegetable you know
00:10:33.060 what i mean in a presidential election so he's running against a corpse and you would hope that
00:10:37.640 the living human being would win in a landslide so so donald trump is is running away with the
00:10:44.220 2024 election and there has been talk since 2021 of donald trump and more particularly guys in the
00:10:52.540 gop adjacent to trump and the maga you know movement that have used the phrase christian
00:10:58.440 nationalist i too have used and have chosen and and i have no regrets no regrets uh to wear the
00:11:06.180 label christian nationalist and helped to actually um to to write a statement on we called it
00:11:12.120 Christian nationalism the statement on Christian nationalism and the gospel and so because I have
00:11:17.000 owned the term Christian nationalist and because there are other politicians in the MAGA movement
00:11:22.800 who have owned the term Christian nationalist who are associated with Trump what right-wing watch
00:11:27.960 again a progressive God-hating pagan organization what their strategy is is to say here's Joel
00:11:35.660 weapon in this allegedly extreme thing that he believes and that he just said aka what should
00:11:43.860 you do about it what's the takeaway the action step um get out there and vote for biden because
00:11:50.080 if not then you're going to get this kind of christian nationalism because this is trump's
00:11:55.160 guy now let me just clarify for everybody make it abundantly clear i wish i wish that donald
00:12:02.120 jay trump was 10 as based as the left thinks he is yeah i wish he was a christian nationalist
00:12:09.240 i wish that donald trump was uh as conservative as people think joe biden tweeted out just a few
00:12:16.460 days ago and said um if you don't vote for me then trump's gonna win the presidency and he's
00:12:20.680 gonna abol it he's gonna do a nationwide ban on abortion and i'm just sitting back here laughing
00:12:25.480 saying i pray yeah i wish that'd be a miracle dream come true lord let it be you know but
00:12:31.700 here's the reality no that no donald trump um i'll take him he has my vote uh he's clearly the
00:12:38.440 better choice it matters because our borders matter that doesn't minimize the issue of abortion
00:12:43.100 it simply raises to our attention that we would also be concerned by other issues in addition to
00:12:48.420 abortion like for instance not um not uh allowing importing uh 10 to 20 million more pro-abortion
00:12:58.300 voters right right if you care about abortion here's here's an idea just think about this for
00:13:03.500 a moment i know it's a crazy thought but if you care about abortion maybe you shouldn't uh make
00:13:08.580 a decision today um aka third party vote or not voting at all because that'll show them that'll
00:13:15.640 teach the gop maybe don't do that maybe don't make a decision today in 2024 that sets the stage in
00:13:22.520 2028 where you now have 10 to 20 million more pro-abortion votes to compete against okay so
00:13:29.700 all that being said donald trump is he really conservative no um is he a christian nationalist
00:13:34.680 no um is donald trump going to ban abortion i wish again the answer is no will he have my vote
00:13:42.560 though yes am i going to uh call him to account publicly yes hold his feet to the fire yes rebuke
00:13:51.560 him publicly when he does things antithetical to the word of god yes counter signal him publicly
00:13:57.260 in such a way to dissuade people from voting for him no right um because i'm an adult
00:14:02.760 i'll say it again because i'm an adult and some of you brothers in christ you need to hear that
00:14:08.980 okay be an adult you can call president to account and still ensure that you don't have
00:14:15.280 to compete four years from now against 20 million more pro-abortion voters okay so all that being
00:14:20.560 said right-wing watch is picking me up time and time again on like a daily basis now clipping me
00:14:26.320 out and it's not about me and it's not about even christian nationalism and it's not about the
00:14:31.380 reformed movement or post-millennialism or christian or any it's about donald trump they're
00:14:36.560 saying donald trump is a christian nationalist because marjorie taylor green or somebody you
00:14:42.080 know who once upon a time you know had an interview with donald trump also once upon a time called
00:14:48.200 themselves a christian national so here's joel webin also avowed christian nationalist and here's
00:14:53.560 his platform and aka it's exactly the same as donald trump's one uh i wish but that's that's a
00:14:59.860 joke um but here's the point as it pertains to owen strand owen strand is i hope unknowingly but
00:15:07.720 i think he probably knows sadly he's taking a left-wing progressive god-hating organization
00:15:15.460 that is merely concerned with getting biden re-elected and he is giving them more momentum
00:15:22.200 more spotlight more visibility because he cannot help himself but to take a cheap shot at a guy
00:15:31.780 aka me who he thinks is uh is encroaching on a little bit of his turf right owen has to protect
00:15:40.540 the boomer donor base, and he doesn't like that Right Response Ministries is maybe cutting in a
00:15:48.200 little bit to the bottom line. I think that that might be what's going on. Again, that is conjecture.
00:15:54.760 It's speculation. I don't know for sure. I don't have a crystal ball. I'm not a prophet nor a son
00:15:59.420 of a prophet. I'm a cessationist. So, you know, I'm not saying that that is for sure what's going
00:16:04.980 on but that is what it looks like and let me just say um as we have sharp disagreements within the
00:16:10.980 church the body of christ with fellow believers could we not team up and lock arms with left-wing
00:16:18.140 progressive god-hating organizations who are trying to get uh biden elected that i would just love
00:16:24.060 you know i would just love if we maybe had a little bit of ground rules yes you know iron
00:16:28.020 sharpens iron it's not pretty sparks fly uh yes it's okay for men to be uh masculine and and to
00:16:34.960 to hold each other's feet to the fire and to make strong arguments and even publicly correct one
00:16:40.640 another if you said something public all those things are fair game not only is it permissible
00:16:44.940 it's even right and good and necessary at times but if you find yourself regularly shaking hands
00:16:52.800 with left-wing progressives who hate god right if you find yourself on a regular basis teaming up
00:16:59.860 with right wing watch you might just want to sit a couple plays out you might just want to rethink
00:17:04.960 your ministry rethink your positions but that's what's going on it's owen strand saying right
00:17:11.660 wing watch that once biden elected and hates god i like i like we're doing good work over here
00:17:18.360 they're doing good work over here let's get it out to even more people um and and there you go so 0.71
00:17:23.740 um my response back to my tweet so owen strand said this is the great commission to have hindu
00:17:29.500 neighbors and to use that as an opportunity to tell people about Jesus, right? Very indicative,
00:17:35.180 very similar to what Ligon Duncan infamously said years ago, where he said, well, what if
00:17:40.700 in the Great Commission, God is importing the Great Commission to our doorstep? He's bringing
00:17:46.720 the nations here instead of go. Now notice Matthew 28. What's one of the first words that Jesus gives
00:17:53.680 in the great commission it's go it's not uh remove all of your borders so that you don't ever have to 0.80
00:18:01.260 go anywhere but rather let the nations come in and overwhelm your current population and uh ensure 0.60
00:18:09.560 through welfare fair policies and um and borderline socialism uh that not only can they all come but 0.58
00:18:16.920 they can all come on a free ride and you and your children and your children's children instead of
00:18:22.760 A wise man laying up an inheritance for his children's children, as Proverbs says, why 1.00
00:18:26.920 don't you ensure that your children's children have to pay for the foreigner and the stranger 1.00
00:18:32.040 because you lowered the walls, told them to come, and you had no expectation for them 0.99
00:18:38.300 to assimilate into your culture or into your religion, the worship of the triune God.
00:18:45.320 That's Ligon Duncan in a nutshell.
00:18:47.480 It's he saying, hey, you know, what if the Great Commission is just being reversed instead
00:18:51.940 of us going to the nations and discipling them um instead the nations are coming here and here we
00:18:58.260 have owen strand in 2024 uh basically echoing ligand duncan the guy who wrote wrote the ford
00:19:05.940 for woke church with eric mason um so you've got owen strand who wrote against wokeness
00:19:12.620 a few years ago wrote against wokeness and now he's after he was woke after being woke 15 minutes
00:19:19.400 that's correct team jersey switch that's right he made the he made the switch after every
00:19:24.540 significant person had already switched so once every significant individual and institutional
00:19:30.300 leader within within conservative evangelicalism had switched to being against wokeness then owen
00:19:36.940 switched and wrote a book against wokeness and then you have owen basically repeating ligand
00:19:44.180 Duncan who wrote the forward to wokeness woke church and so all that being said back to my
00:19:51.040 tweet here we go so I responded to Owen I said regarding Owen Strand's tweet I cannot say this
00:19:57.560 strongly enough to fellow born-again Christians you must begin to learn to think in categories 0.72
00:20:01.780 number one as a Christian a member of Christ's church his invisible church you have an obligation
00:20:08.100 to do the work of an evangelist with your unbelieving neighbors and nowhere in this clip
00:20:12.600 did I say that I wasn't doing that? Nowhere in this clip or in this tweet that I'm reading right 0.94
00:20:17.280 now, nowhere does Owen Strand have definitive evidence that Joel Webin is not sharing the
00:20:24.040 gospel with his neighbors, okay? That's number one. Number two, though, think in categories.
00:20:28.800 Here's the second category. As a Christian citizen, so first, as a Christian member of the
00:20:34.040 Invisible Church, do the work of an evangelist. Preach the gospel to whatever neighbors you have, 0.87
00:20:38.640 whether whether they're hindu neighbors or whether they're unbelieving white american heritage
00:20:44.340 neighbors either way if they don't know christ share christ but secondly as a christian citizen
00:20:50.760 of a particular nation with a particular heritage especially in our case when that heritage happens
00:20:57.860 to be christian and predominantly protestant you have an obligation to vote for policies that
00:21:04.100 preserve your nation and your heritage and do not allow it to be overwhelmed by unbelieving
00:21:11.100 foreigners who have little to no desire to assimilate but rather merely view your country
00:21:17.000 as a set of propositions and a favorable economic zone that is the great commission with c.1 and 0.99
00:21:26.440 with point two also simple logic at a fifth grade level we've got to be able to think in
00:21:33.740 categories you are if you're a brother or sister in christ listening to this you are a member in
00:21:39.420 christ universal and invisible church and as a member of christ church the great commission has
00:21:45.340 been given to you you are mandated by the lord jesus christ to make disciples of all nations
00:21:52.260 and to do the work of an evangelist to be faithful and courageous in sharing the gospel with
00:21:58.960 unbelievers wherever you are, whether it be in your neighborhood or whether it be on the other
00:22:03.840 side of the world on some kind of mission trip, wherever you are and wherever there are unbelievers,
00:22:09.220 whether they be imported unbelievers from a foreign country with a foreign and pagan religion,
00:22:14.300 or whether they be domestic unbelievers who are Christian in name and in culture, and that matters,
00:22:22.120 but still not Christian in terms of their heart being regenerate. Those people desperately need
00:22:27.940 the gospel as well, because although they may be a better neighbor, they will still die in their sin
00:22:34.520 apart from grace, which is found in Christ alone and received by faith. They will spend eternity
00:22:40.020 in hell and we don't want that for them. So as a Christian and a member of the invisible and 0.90
00:22:45.400 universal church of Jesus Christ, you have an obligation to do the great commission, to share
00:22:51.720 the gospel with your neighbors, wherever you are, whatever those neighbors might be, whatever stripe
00:22:56.580 or color or nationality whatever but as a citizen as a christian who is also a citizen of this
00:23:05.600 these united states of america with our background our heritage our history and our historic religion
00:23:13.960 of the christian faith predominantly protestant christian faith you also have an obligation
00:23:20.580 to make sure that that your children as far as it depends on you god is sovereign he will do what
00:23:26.520 he does but as far as it depends on you you have a civil duty a civic duty to ensure that your
00:23:34.280 children and if god would be so kind your grandchildren have the privilege of growing up
00:23:40.240 in a country that bears at least some semblance to the country that you got to grow up in and it's
00:23:46.120 not completely decimated by pagan gods and foreign people from foreign lands all throughout scripture
00:23:54.340 we're going to get to this now all throughout scripture the idea of full-blown invasions from
00:24:00.420 foreign peoples who worship foreign gods it is never in scripture spoken of as a blessing of
00:24:07.260 liberty it is always spoken of as a judgment i believe that america is under god's judgment
00:24:13.820 and i don't think that the forms or the expressions of god's judgment merely lie with drag queen story
00:24:21.380 hour but that they also include the fact that my neighborhood is 30 percent hindu i think that
00:24:28.720 that's actually not a blessing not not the great commission coming to us so that we don't have to
00:24:34.120 go no i think that that is also a sign of god's judgment upon our land we did this we did this by
00:24:43.900 our sin by our idolatry by our perversion by our murder of the unborn child we did this and and
00:24:53.320 these two things are directly correlated our apostasy as a as heritage america turning our
00:24:59.680 back on the triune god and everything that comes with that as as a consequence a judgment to our
00:25:07.520 rebellion it one of those things is a full-fledged invasion from foreign nations that do not love our
00:25:15.300 country they love the economic opportunity they love the religious freedom they they love our
00:25:22.580 country as as an economic zone they love our country as a set of propositions they do not
00:25:29.680 love our founding they do not love our history they do not love our heritage and they do not
00:25:35.580 most importantly, love our God. They do not love our God. And so, no, it is not advantageous or a
00:25:43.240 blessing for them to come here by the millions in a single four-year presidential term. That is
00:25:51.920 madness. That's what I was talking about. Anybody, any conservative Christian with just a shred of
00:25:58.560 logic understands that. However, sadly, that last part, a conservative Christian with a shred of
00:26:07.220 logic discludes Owen Strand. All right, let's go to a commercial break and then Michael and Wes
00:26:12.720 are going to lay out some scripture to back up everything that I've said in this monologue thus
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00:28:33.580 Well, welcome back on a beautiful, if not humid Wednesday. 0.85
00:28:36.240 you mentioned scripture and you mentioned the invasion of the foreigner and it's as you read
00:28:41.040 the law of god it seems like there's some things that just people understood instinctually uh so
00:28:46.220 about marriage and about children and how all those things worked not all of it is literally
00:28:50.440 spelled out and so we're going to get here into deuteronomy chapter 28 and this is the portion
00:28:54.920 where where god takes the tribes of israel and he sends them to two mountaintops to recite the
00:29:00.080 terms of the covenant and so one side of the mountain would shout out the blessings of the
00:29:04.080 covenant, and then the other side would recount the curses. So the blessings if they were faithful
00:29:08.380 to the God who brought them out of Egypt, but then the curses if they failed to obey. And one 0.74
00:29:13.040 of the things that God says, it's not specifically spelled out why it would be a bad thing, but it's
00:29:18.280 almost given and it's assumed that all the people there would know how terrible that would be. So
00:29:22.980 I'm going to read from, this is Deuteronomy 28. I'm going to jump around a little bit just because
00:29:26.680 the chapter is long. It's almost 70 verses, but I'll let you know what verse I'm actually hitting
00:29:31.260 up. So Deuteronomy 28, this is curses for disobedience, starting in verse 32. Your sons
00:29:37.340 and your daughters, this is the curses, your sons and daughters shall be given to another people
00:29:41.320 while your eyes look on and fail with longing for them all day long, but you shall be helpless.
00:29:46.880 A nation that you have not known shall eat up the fruit of your ground and all of your labors,
00:29:51.480 and you shall be only oppressed and crushed continually, so that you are driven mad by the 0.85
00:29:56.840 sight that your eyes see. Jumping ahead to verse 36, the Lord will bring you and your king whom
00:30:02.380 you have set over you to a nation that neither you nor your fathers have known. And there you
00:30:08.500 shall serve other gods of wood and stone. Verse 43, the sojourner who is among you shall rise
00:30:14.960 higher and higher above you and you shall come down lower and lower to you. He shall lend to you
00:30:19.980 and you shall not lend to him. He shall be the head and you shall be the tail. If you get a chance,
00:30:25.200 I would recommend reading the whole chapter.
00:30:27.120 God lays out vividly the penalties for civic,
00:30:30.200 that is at a national corporate level, disobedience.
00:30:33.440 And a theme all throughout is that when you are an established people, 0.85
00:30:37.360 so these are the children of Israel,
00:30:39.140 they're coming into the promised land that God has given to them,
00:30:41.600 and what's offered is blessing.
00:30:42.960 But if they're established there and they go after other gods,
00:30:45.780 what God promises to them as judgment,
00:30:48.240 the worst thing that could happen was that other peoples that you don't know 0.98
00:30:51.760 will come in and they'll sack and they'll ravage your land. 0.93
00:30:55.040 you will sow a field, you'll plant a vineyard, 0.95
00:30:57.920 and those who reap the benefits of it won't be your people. 0.98
00:31:00.520 The assumption is that it would be your sons and your daughters
00:31:03.160 and your cousins and your tribe.
00:31:04.760 They would be the ones to reap the benefits of your hard work, 1.00
00:31:07.840 and the curse that is promised for disobedience is that foreigners would. 1.00
00:31:12.420 Another curse is that the sojourner will rise higher and higher in status, 0.53
00:31:16.220 and you will go down lower and lower,
00:31:18.100 and you will be forced to go to him and to beg to him to lend to you.
00:31:22.320 these are described just, again, it's not even explained or like, and here's why this would be
00:31:26.820 a bad thing. The people knew that that which is dearer to us is often, is, and should be our
00:31:33.100 family, but then going broader out, those that we share a place with across time. And so to be
00:31:39.080 displaced for those people, to be forced to serve other gods, to be taken away from the land,
00:31:44.620 Herman Bavink, he has a really good section in his work on the wonderful works of God,
00:31:48.140 that for Israel, eternal life was always tied to the land.
00:31:50.700 It wasn't just disembodied existence and consciousness.
00:31:54.220 It was a people in a place, in this case, the promised land,
00:31:57.280 typifying eternal life, flourishing, happiness, prosperity.
00:32:01.640 Paul speaks of living quiet and respectable lives.
00:32:04.480 And so the antithesis to that, again and again,
00:32:07.100 the assumption that Scripture lays out is that the foreigner,
00:32:09.960 ransacking, invading, overwhelming, taking from you via taxes and extortion,
00:32:15.940 that that is judgment. And so when we say, like you said, my neighborhood looks like this. The
00:32:22.840 religious makeup of my town looks like this. I drive down Main Street and I see a mosque and I
00:32:27.800 see a synagogue and I see a Hindu temple. Those are judgments. The Bible would describe them as
00:32:33.620 judgments. And so when you disagree with that and you say, no, these are blessings of liberty.
00:32:37.780 Well, you're not disagreeing with us. Who cares about us? God's word has said that that's something
00:32:41.720 not to be desired it's a sign of judgment with the aim of repentance when you see those things
00:32:47.480 repent personally but also corporately for how we've turned from god and ask that he would bring
00:32:52.320 us back to a people that are in a religious sense especially a monoculture having one god over them
00:32:59.260 that we worship in quietness uh in fearfulness but also sincerity amen and monoculture just for
00:33:05.520 the record that doesn't mean uh mono skin color doesn't mean that everybody is white
00:33:10.080 um and it doesn't mean that everybody you know i mean european is pretty broad so it doesn't mean
00:33:14.760 everybody is you know scottish or english or whatever french um it but monoculture um you
00:33:22.380 can have uh people of of different ethnicities in the way that you know the modern term of
00:33:28.640 ethnicity not nationalities but like different skin pigment that's the way ethnicity sadly
00:33:32.940 these days is used in the modern definition is it just it's used to define color but i'll say
00:33:38.200 like this you can have people of different color and yet um and yet a monoculture meaning a diversity
00:33:45.100 is not our strength um that is diversity of of thought really of culture and certainly a diversity
00:33:52.680 of religion is not our strength polytheism is not our strength god doesn't bless polytheism
00:33:59.560 right right god didn't look at israel when high places were erected to you know asherah poles and
00:34:04.440 you know and the balls and molek and say man wow that's a lot of strength well how about this you
00:34:11.260 know biggest city in the world i told you told you it earlier what is it tokyo what is the safest
00:34:15.760 city in the world tokyo uh what percent of tokyo is japanese 98 98 98 the biggest city in the world
00:34:22.260 is also an incredibly safe city a clean city because they have high social trust and social
00:34:27.280 cohesion because they share a culture and now there's two percent there it's not ethnic purity
00:34:32.020 or anything like that but it's japan for japanese yeah japan exists for japanese and that's the
00:34:37.700 point west of the passage that you read in deuteronomy it's not that we are trying to say
00:34:43.540 america is israel and so this passage in deuteronomy directly applies to america what
00:34:50.080 we're trying to say is even in that passage it's obvious that the way god has established the world
00:34:55.800 is that it's good when a people and a nation have a society where you can work and the fruit of your
00:35:02.840 labor can be passed to your children and to their children. That's an objective good. That is God's
00:35:09.320 blessing. When nations live not even in perfect obedience to God, but just within the framework
00:35:16.200 that he has established, that's the likely outcome, that my labor will be able to be passed to my
00:35:21.900 children and my children's children and that that is objectively good and to be desired right because
00:35:28.000 otherwise at a certain point you stop laboring that's correct i mean you can see that when like
00:35:31.480 when they've raised the death tax you know state tax and it gets to 50 percent in certain european
00:35:36.280 countries it's been you know outrageous above 50 percent and uh what happens is that uh the the
00:35:42.280 what could and statistically usually are the most uh the highest productive decade of a person's
00:35:48.060 professional life uh not because they um they're in the the best physical shape of their life at
00:35:53.280 that particular uh late age but because they've acquired the most experience the most net uh the
00:35:58.540 biggest largest network most relationships and the most wisdom um that that person um is now able to
00:36:04.660 um to be more efficient more highly productive than ever before and yet if that person has already
00:36:10.240 been in the sovereignty of god and his providence highly successful there's only so much money you
00:36:15.440 can spend in a lifetime right and so if he's already been highly successful and he already
00:36:19.580 has millions of dollars then the uh and he can retire at 60 and let's say he's in perfectly good
00:36:25.180 health and he could work for one more decade and retire at 70 um that that would be his most
00:36:31.460 productive decade of work in his entire life from 60 to 70 but he's been so successful he can retire
00:36:37.360 early at 60 and he has no incentive to work that final 10 years that would here's the thing it
00:36:43.140 wouldn't just benefit him it would benefit the entire economy the entire society everybody all
00:36:48.480 the ships would rise if he stays in the labor force and he could still even scale back and hang
00:36:54.000 out with grandkids and and and consult instead of going into the office and blah blah blah all these
00:36:58.920 things but he's not going to do it if he already has millions of dollars he's only got you know
00:37:04.680 maybe 25 years of life left he's 60 and let's say you know he's thinking i probably will croak
00:37:09.980 around 85 if he only has 25 years of life left and he's already got 10 million in the bank
00:37:15.060 why does he work from 60 to 70 if he can't leave it to his kids he doesn't he just doesn't that's
00:37:23.120 what actually drives so housing costs in all of asia are very high there's a very speculative
00:37:27.000 economy people will buy apartments before the groundwork has even been laid but families will
00:37:32.180 save for generations to afford an apartment so there will be you could be the benefactor of
00:37:36.960 three generations that saved their money so that you could own a home or that you could own
00:37:41.820 a condo. And I'm no economist, but Japan, interestingly, has a problem of deflation.
00:37:47.460 So currently, our currency is being inflated. It rises 2% to 3%, it seems like, about a month.
00:37:52.920 And that means that your money is going 2% to 3% less far. It's losing value. Japan's currency
00:37:59.720 is not losing value, but it's actually gaining. So if you had $10,000 in the bank for the last
00:38:04.260 20 years that purchasing power is actually higher than when you put it in talking about because of
00:38:09.960 interest you're talking about raw purchasing exactly raw just purchasing power of the currency
00:38:14.580 now in some senses this isn't good for the gdp uh japan's bank has struggled because they want
00:38:19.560 to raise interest rates which gets people investing and gets money circulating but one
00:38:23.440 of the benefits is that your money keeps its value and then they're passing it on so the reason
00:38:28.100 they're not spending on all this western cheap junk is because they're saving so their kids can
00:38:32.860 afford a home and and no japan's not a christian culture and they still through strong rule of law
00:38:38.760 through social cohesion and family values have really put together something of course not
00:38:44.420 perfect of course not something that we should try to emulate they're a very tiny island in the
00:38:49.200 pacific right we are a huge nation with waterways right what works there does not necessarily work
00:38:54.140 here but we can look at them and see the social cohesion that they've brought about through strong
00:38:58.940 rule of law through strong family values through all of these different virtues that are good in
00:39:02.780 a natural sense, not to salvific, but natural, tell us something about sharing a space, sharing
00:39:10.100 a history, sharing a culture, and the good, earthly good, not righteousness merited before
00:39:16.120 God, but the earthly good of achieving good earthly ends and living commodiously.
00:39:20.980 There's stories of even children, they go back and they visit their kindergarten teacher.
00:39:24.980 So they had a kindergarten teacher, and they'll go back, even as adults, to visit them and
00:39:28.860 to have tea, and to pay honor to how they taught them and raised them,
00:39:33.160 that's a good thing. 1.00
00:39:34.080 And that's not even a Christian culture. 0.98
00:39:35.400 How much more should we have that cohesion and that stability to reflect on that? 0.93
00:39:39.620 Right.
00:39:39.860 Ours should be better.
00:39:40.640 But the point that you're making is, although it's not a Christian culture,
00:39:44.480 it's still one culture.
00:39:47.320 Yes.
00:39:47.720 One culture, even if that one culture is not Christian, 0.92
00:39:52.120 is still an improvement on 247 different cultures 0.98
00:39:58.840 that all contradict one another, all in the same house. 1.00
00:40:02.820 Go ahead, Michael.
00:40:04.020 I was going to read, part of the problem when we bring up this discussion
00:40:08.160 is that we're facing the post-war sentiment,
00:40:14.080 and we've just been discipled into this sentiment.
00:40:16.940 And so one of the ideas that I think gets tossed around for us is the idea that multiple ethnicities joined together is a good thing, right?
00:40:30.860 And part of it comes, like, for instance, here's Isaiah 2, 2 through 4.
00:40:35.080 It says this,
00:40:35.580 It shall come to pass in the latter days that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall
00:40:41.020 be established as the highest of the mountains, and shall be lifted up above the hills, and
00:40:46.620 all the nations shall flow to it.
00:40:48.500 And many people shall come and say, Come, let us go to the mountain of the Lord, to
00:40:52.480 the house of the God of Jacob, that he may teach us his ways, and that we may walk in
00:40:58.260 his ways.
00:40:59.040 For out of Zion shall go forth the law and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
00:41:03.420 He shall judge between the nations, and shall decide disputes for many peoples, and they shall 0.70
00:41:08.220 beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into printing hooks. Nations shall not 0.79
00:41:12.760 lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore. And part of what happens when
00:41:17.800 we read verses like this is we look at this promised peace that God promises that nations
00:41:25.640 will collaborate together in the worship of the one true God. And then we look at America,
00:41:31.660 and it's it's ironic because the people who are the most critical and i'm not saying america is
00:41:38.300 israel right but there are people who are are rabidly watchful for that idea america's not
00:41:45.920 israel right america amen america's not israel but the ones who are often the most quick to
00:41:52.180 counter anything you say by saying america's not israel you can't apply the old testament
00:41:56.800 to your nation. Have this idea that because this was promised here, that international
00:42:04.260 collaboration is generally a good thing. And the irony is they will separate America
00:42:13.620 from Israel on the one hand, but when we read hopeful passages where nations are working 0.84
00:42:19.800 together, they say, yeah, that's exactly what we want. And so if we see in America or in the West
00:42:25.340 an international effort where god is bringing nations together obviously like we mentioned
00:42:33.640 earlier like lincoln duncan this is kind of the reverse uh great commission but here's the thing
00:42:39.940 in in this passage in isaiah 2 what they unite together for is for worship for true worship of
00:42:48.180 the one true god and so it's actually here it's the nations coming to the church yeah the true
00:42:53.580 Israel. 0.60
00:42:54.180 Right.
00:42:54.440 They're coming to the church, and the church is teaching them God's law, and at the end,
00:42:59.100 in verse 4, it says, he who is Christ shall judge between the nations.
00:43:03.400 There's no blurring.
00:43:05.020 The nations are not all becoming one.
00:43:07.240 Right?
00:43:07.960 They have to be distinct in order for Christ to judge between them.
00:43:11.540 Right.
00:43:12.060 Right?
00:43:12.280 That's right.
00:43:12.580 And then for the nations to no longer learn war against one another doesn't mean that
00:43:16.760 they're all just one culture.
00:43:18.780 They're different cultures.
00:43:20.060 It's just that the enmity between them has been taken away.
00:43:23.160 They're still distinct nations.
00:43:24.220 They're just at peace.
00:43:25.260 That's right.
00:43:25.580 And so just because we see nations coming to America or nations coming into Europe does not mean that that's, by definition, a harmonious, gospel-centered product of the 2,000 years of church history that we've had.
00:43:43.360 And for the record, immigration, we're not saying that immigration is an inherent evil.
00:43:49.360 Right.
00:43:49.480 um that like with israel there were like you said that there were plenty of instances with
00:43:55.580 people himself one of the heroes was a kenai caleb yeah uh and then of course we know you
00:44:00.420 know ruth and rahab and others uh but you know take ruth for example i've shared this several
00:44:04.960 times but it's worth repeating you know ruth when she says to naomi her mother-in-law you know that
00:44:09.520 i'm not going to go back to moab you know because naomi says look you're still young you could get
00:44:14.540 married again i don't have any other sons for you they're both dead uh so go back to your fathers
00:44:19.140 go back to your homeland your fatherland your heritage in moab and uh she says no i'm going 0.83
00:44:25.700 to come with you your people will be my people and your god my god so ruth doesn't say to naomi 0.89
00:44:31.380 i'm going to come with you because i hear that in israel it's a um right it's an opportunist um you
00:44:38.640 know uh economic zone where uh there's better tax cuts and uh and it less hoops to jump through for 0.64
00:44:46.360 starting a business and and i'm going to worship moab there and i'm going to teach my culture to
00:44:52.820 as many who will listen but i'm going to uh but i'm going to you know kind of just glean the the
00:44:58.360 economic benefits of you know the your propositional nation called israel no she she says i'm coming
00:45:05.040 with you and instinctively what that meant was your people will be my people i'm not going to 0.64
00:45:10.980 make your people uh into to me i'm going to assimilate into them and most importantly not
00:45:17.480 only will your people be my people but your god will be my god i'm converting yeah i'm converting
00:45:22.700 and um and that doesn't now people hear that say oh forced you know conversions that's not what i'm
00:45:28.900 saying um but i think that uh when someone immigrates to america there should be an
00:45:34.820 expectation of assimilation into american heritage culture which is distinctly christian now now we
00:45:42.060 can't um you you know why i'm against forced conversions uh because um because even if they
00:45:48.120 were permissible they're not possible right no one can convert the human heart except for the
00:45:53.660 holy spirit alone and but what you can do is you can say if you're going to live here we have
00:45:58.760 certain laws those laws mirror our virtues that come from a certain religion namely the christian
00:46:05.660 religion and you have to abide by those so you have to outwardly behave in a general christian
00:46:13.140 sense what does that mean what's he talking about you have to act like a christian yeah that's right
00:46:17.500 you have to not murder you have to not steal um and you can't have uh public parades of blasphemy
00:46:24.660 against the triune god and so yeah you have to live christianly whether at the at the level of 0.82
00:46:32.280 the heart whether you're ever genuinely a christian or not and to say look with immigration 0.87
00:46:38.140 we are so over flooded right now by the millions and that and that's just illegal immigrants and
00:46:43.500 then just with legal immigration whether it be with a work visa or a student visa or a green 0.76
00:46:48.040 card or whatever it might be but those who are not yet citizens we have millions more legal
00:46:53.260 immigrants and then those who are citizens but still don't necessarily desire to assimilate to
00:46:58.860 america and its culture and its founding and its heritage then you have to add millions again so
00:47:03.660 millions to be legal millions of legal but not citizens and then millions of legal who are
00:47:08.740 citizens but became citizens in the last 15 minutes and um and still 100 percent and embody
00:47:16.200 the heritage of the of the culture and country they came from and not our own it's like ruth
00:47:21.400 saying uh your people will not be my people and your god will not be my god but i hear there's
00:47:25.340 wheat in israel yeah um that's not what happened in israel so uh because we're over flooded
00:47:32.180 uh we we need to have no illegal immigration but then you you can't here's another thing that
00:47:39.000 doesn't work if we're thinking clearly as christians you can't do the elon musk thing god
00:47:43.960 bless him but that you know he's smart he's he's maybe too smart that you know the autism is you 1.00
00:47:49.300 know taken over but uh but he's like well you know we need to stop illegal immigration like
00:47:54.600 he realizes there's a problem he's gone down to the border the southern border in texas he's like
00:47:58.020 oh my goodness but he's like spat it off uh we need to get rid of uh illegal immigration but have
00:48:04.060 even more legal well charlie kirk said the same thing i know god bless him they they you know
00:48:09.720 that's the texas that's the texas thing to say is you hear charlie kirk or elon must say that
00:48:14.080 and you just say as a text and you say bless your heart but no no the solution is not uh to say well
00:48:20.100 no illegal immigration but let's have 30 million uh legal right um immigrants no because that's
00:48:26.640 still a problem now if they come legally it may be in some sense less of a problem because at least
00:48:32.240 they went through legal channels so maybe statistically you would hope there's less of a
00:48:36.060 likelihood of you know if you're willing to break the law to get in then you're probably also somebody
00:48:39.520 who's going to steal and somebody who's going to vandalize or commit crime or assault or god
00:48:45.320 forbid murder or rape or these kinds of things that have happened these past few years again
00:48:50.380 and again and again i was about to say we have to touch on that what's happening in europe the
00:48:54.320 yeah like for instance if you have sensitive ears maybe pause but but rape of migrants there's i
00:48:59.380 saw an interview with africans they didn't understand why a woman wouldn't want to be 0.97
00:49:03.340 raped and you're bringing people into your town to walk around your wife and your daughter who 0.99
00:49:08.280 can't even conceive of that uh that's that's wicked they couldn't even conceive of why it was 0.51
00:49:12.740 morally wrong right they were the trauma of anything they were interviewing these guys and
00:49:16.940 they looked like like all their mannerisms and their wording and what they said and just the
00:49:22.240 look in their face um it was like uh watching american psycho yeah it was like these guys are
00:49:28.240 but here's the thing um maybe those individuals were psychotic maybe um sin has a progression
00:49:35.800 and you you become worse and worse and worse um but i think part of it was cultural yeah their
00:49:41.700 pagan culture that that hates the triune god and does not worship jesus christ uh for them they're
00:49:48.480 like i don't i don't understand what's the big deal what's the big deal i see a woman i want her 0.54
00:49:53.140 i take her that's african tribes they just walk around and it's like oh i desire this there's no
00:49:57.300 concept of our western view of sexuality that's been shaped by the bible one man one woman uh done
00:50:03.160 because they have not been christianized i'll add this um i i lived in taiwan for six years and so
00:50:08.940 i talked to a lot of missionaries over there and um mission agencies were having real trouble
00:50:13.400 because the average just going to um a chinese uh or or japanese korean style culture is so
00:50:23.900 different from the west just the presuppositions the way that they view the world and and we're
00:50:29.180 here praising Japan's safety and order. So I'm not saying they're all just a bunch of
00:50:36.020 wicked, horrible people. I'm saying the presuppositions socially, culturally are so 0.90
00:50:42.200 different from what we have in the West that the mission leaders were really in trouble
00:50:47.060 because missionaries were going to China or Taiwan and they were lasting less than seven
00:50:52.440 years before they just said, we can't do this anymore. We're going back to America. Now
00:50:56.960 here's the problem. Those same mission agencies have estimated that for a missionary family
00:51:03.100 whose full-time job is learning the language, learning the culture, and trying to get to the
00:51:09.280 point where they can understand the people that they're living amongst, it's 10 years minimum
00:51:14.020 before they're even culturally able to converse and understand where someone, their neighbor is
00:51:20.400 coming from culturally competent culturally competent culturally literate so there is just
00:51:27.060 a reality that the west has been shaped by the bible and christian thought for millennia now
00:51:34.100 and that has radically altered how we view the world society order everything yeah we think it's
00:51:43.020 just basic um human instinct yes there is something to be said for you know romans 1 and romans 2
00:51:50.020 the law of god written on the heart so there's natural revelation that's romans 1 god clearly
00:51:55.280 displays certain attributes of his character namely his uh his you know divine nature and
00:52:01.180 eternal power these things have been clearly manifest by the created cosmos what he has made
00:52:06.100 and also by the revealing of his wrath that's another way that he reveals you know natural
00:52:09.940 revelation but romans 2 then says that um that even for the person who's an unbeliever
00:52:14.620 they stand without an excuse an apology a defense and that's back to romans 1 but then romans 2
00:52:20.800 fleshes it out more in part one of the reasons why they are defenseless excuseless is because
00:52:26.140 even if they did not believe in god and did not have the indwelling ministry of the spirit
00:52:30.140 their own conscience testifies against them so it's not just that they didn't live up to god's
00:52:35.120 standard they didn't even live up to their own standard their own inconsistent standard that
00:52:40.740 gives them breaks where you know like and and make their own you know we all do this even
00:52:46.180 christians because of the sin that still resides within members of our flesh because of because of
00:52:50.240 our own propensity towards sin because we have not yet in this life attained a state of sinless
00:52:54.620 perfection we do this we still even as christians have our own standards and what do we do when
00:52:59.500 concocting our own standards well we can we concoct a personal standard that that is that plays to our
00:53:06.520 advantage right so if i'm particularly strong in one area i'll say well there are lots of virtues
00:53:11.560 but some virtues are more virtuous than others and it happens just so happens that the most
00:53:15.860 virtuous of virtues are the ones that i'm particularly good at and these other things
00:53:19.600 like yes they matter but you know they don't matter as much and so romans 2 with with natural
00:53:25.020 law being written on the hearts of men because even fallen men are still made in the image of
00:53:31.380 god that image has been tarnished but a vestige of the imago day still remains intact for all people
00:53:38.040 not just christian people but all people so because of the imago day the image of god and
00:53:42.580 natural law written on the hearts of men there is a basic instinct of right and wrong however
00:53:48.240 however nations and cultures that have been steeped in paganism which is a ultimate rejection
00:53:54.740 and rebellion against god those children who grow up decades into adulthood of being shaped by a
00:54:03.380 culture that is antithetical to christian virtues and to the triune god that natural law written on
00:54:10.240 the heart it does begin to callous the heart begins to callous it begins that's back to romans
00:54:15.680 one again that lying and suppressing the truth and deeds of unrighteousness so there's a sense
00:54:20.760 you know some theologians i think burkhoff even said this and it sounds crazy because it sounds
00:54:24.600 anti-reformed theology but i know what he means and he's right he says that um that every child
00:54:30.460 is born believing in god right he has to be taught not to believe now notice he's not saying every
00:54:35.980 child is born a regenerate christian right right no no no you must see john 3 nicodemus and jesus
00:54:41.920 that discourse that you must be born again so every child we believe as reformed christians
00:54:47.580 and the reformed tradition every child is born totally depraved and steeped in sin and must be
00:54:53.420 born again um in order to um to believe in god in the salvific sense uh but what what i believe
00:55:01.000 it's burkhoff uh what what he was getting at was um oh no but i think it's bovink but what he was
00:55:08.020 getting at was he was saying no but but the way that natural law works and the imago day works
00:55:13.860 is that upon birth you don't have saving faith from natural birth you need new birth but what
00:55:19.300 you do have is a basic presupposition understanding that the world like the child does you don't come
00:55:26.680 out of the womb and that as a toddler at two years old think yeah i think that everything
00:55:32.180 came from nothing atheism takes training yeah is what i'm saying because it's illogical you have to 0.99
00:55:39.960 be brainwashed you have to be lobotomized that's hard work somebody has to make you dumber and 0.98
00:55:46.800 you also, of course, have your own hand in that. You have to work towards making yourself dumber. 1.00
00:55:51.960 Sin makes you stupid. There's a direct correlation between sin and stupidity, and that's what Romans 1.00
00:55:58.940 1 is all about. As we lie and suppress the truth in deeds of unrighteousness, there's the sin, 0.99
00:56:03.820 actions of sin. As we do that, we become more and more blind to the truth, even the general truth
00:56:10.280 outside of salvific truth, which is grace alone, through faith alone, and Christ alone, just even
00:56:15.020 the general truth of there being a creator right and that's the reason why stuff exists that matter
00:56:20.140 is not eternal but there must be someone outside of space and time who created matter that matter
00:56:25.700 has a beginning right and it can't just be from a speck of dust because then when did the speck
00:56:29.860 where did the speck of dust come from even those basic truths a child is born um a child is born
00:56:35.660 believing those things he comes to not believe those things as he lies and suppresses the truth
00:56:41.140 And so my point is that it's not just my point is that that interview with these men talking about what they just seem bewildered, like, well, yeah, rape is wrong.
00:56:50.960 Why is rape wrong?
00:56:52.100 That what you're witnessing there is not that's not just total depravity because the child is totally depraved from birth. 0.94
00:56:59.480 No, that's total depravity that has been shaped and massaged and forged and multiplied through a particular culture based upon a particular religion that is particularly rebellious towards Christ. 1.00
00:57:18.120 And that over time makes someone wholly incompatible with civil society, with a Christian heritage and foundation. 0.99
00:57:28.420 and to say yeah we we shouldn't be importing by the millions people like this is not crazy and to 0.98
00:57:36.180 say but whoops too late we already did it right it's too late for that company we've already done
00:57:41.480 it we have nine to twenty million people already here right already here either legal immigrants
00:57:46.720 who are our citizens but just became citizens or legal immigrants who are not citizens but with a
00:57:52.400 green card or work visa or a student visa or something like that or illegal immigrants we
00:57:56.680 have about close to 20 million just in the last three to four years already here and many of them 0.98
00:58:03.000 not all of them are are completely you know criminal many of the legal immigrants are but 1.00
00:58:09.020 even the legal immigrants are not again not necessarily compatible with western culture 0.99
00:58:14.980 which comes from the christian faith and so what do you do first you have to deport everyone who's 0.80
00:58:20.500 here illegally you've got to do that and then second you've got to immediately um drastically
00:58:27.680 limit legal even legal immigration for i would suggest for the next 20 to 50 years but you'll
00:58:34.740 know that's right no one cares when other countries do is australia does this that taiwan
00:58:39.920 does this they look at the real quick is just to say none of what i just said is is um contrary
00:58:45.720 to christian faith no yes no that's true go ahead but my point is
00:58:50.120 only when podcasts like this want to start talking about this do people freak out
00:58:56.660 you know australia has a pattern of looking at okay what are we short on what prime jobs are we
00:59:03.280 as a society short on we didn't have quite enough doctors the next year okay we're going to do 200
00:59:06.840 more doctor visas right yes um and nobody cares it's just logical it's just kind of basic oh yeah
00:59:13.260 that's how a nation should run itself it should support itself with its immigration policy it
00:59:17.260 should enrich itself with its immigration policy should better itself with its immigration policy
00:59:21.220 right so for us one i i think we should be a christian nation right of course i'm a christian
00:59:27.000 um so so that's the first thing we should look at is um does this person uh is are they a christian
00:59:34.280 um and and if not are they um do are they willing to pledge their allegiance their fidelity
00:59:41.200 to behaving according to the laws and customs of a Christian nation, even if they're not a
00:59:47.660 Christian. Okay, you could have non-Christians, but it needs to be clear that the hegemony 0.83
00:59:53.380 of the culture is Christian, right? And so you don't have to be a Christian individually,
00:59:59.780 but you must assimilate and be compatible within a larger Christian national context.
01:00:08.920 so first are you christian in both senses of the term are you personally do you do you profess
01:00:15.120 jesus christ as lord if not then you know say what i what i just said earlier um in the cultural
01:00:20.880 sense and then and then next um what do you offer uh what what do you have to offer these united
01:00:27.740 states yep right now uh there's um we need more houses there's a bit of a housing crisis um are
01:00:34.940 you an engineer are you a construction worker okay or right now we we need more doctors what like
01:00:40.780 that plenty of nations think like this i was going to say during the reformation there was refugees
01:00:46.260 from some of the the areas the 30 years war that was going on and so even christians from the same
01:00:52.040 european region but they got imported border sharing a border they got imported to these cities
01:00:56.520 but they ran all the people that already existed in the cities out of work so they came in they
01:01:00.800 had a different culture and a different language they overwhelmed the amount of work that was
01:01:04.180 available for them to do, and it wasn't commodious. So there could even be a Christian nation that
01:01:09.280 shares a border, so you're not far off geographically, you've been shaped by the same type 0.89
01:01:12.920 of genetics and forces and all of that, that could say, in this particular context, we can't take this
01:01:18.620 number of people because our economy can't support it. You put the men that are currently working as
01:01:22.760 blacksmiths and welders and all of this out of work, and so we're sorry. That doesn't mean you
01:01:27.440 have to, but it is permissible. It could be permissible in the context to say, this is not
01:01:33.700 for the best of our people we are to love we've talked about this before love our neighbor and
01:01:38.660 your neighbor is that who is closest to you closest to you geographically closest to you in your
01:01:44.020 family your tribe your town your community your state going outward that's loving your neighbors
01:01:48.880 saying i'm not going to let you put my neighbor out of a job we have brotherhood in christ and
01:01:53.640 i'll see you on the other side but at this time we're sorry we can't help the second greatest
01:01:58.280 commandment to love your neighbor as yourself um it includes triage the only way that it doesn't
01:02:05.100 is if we were infinite right but because we are creatures and not god because we are not god um
01:02:12.980 we it's not that we're allowed to show favoritism we must show favoritism right we must our finitude
01:02:18.960 not our fallenness it's not because we're sinful right now you there is such a thing as sinful
01:02:23.760 favoritism. The book of James talks about it, but not all favoritism is inherently sinful.
01:02:30.680 Favoritism, there is a sinful favoritism that pertains to our fallenness, but there is an
01:02:35.880 inevitable favoritism that pertains to our finitude. Simply the fact that we are creatures,
01:02:41.520 aside from being fallen creatures, even if we were unfallen in a prelapsarian world, if Adam and Eve
01:02:47.140 had never sinned you would still have a a certain element of favoritism why because a finite
01:02:55.340 creature because you and i are not god and so as finite creatures you cannot love all of your
01:03:02.120 neighbors um with with everything all of the time you can't right you can't you have to choose and
01:03:09.740 so the second greatest commandment which is to love our neighbor as ourself uh it comes baked
01:03:15.260 in necessarily included in that commandment is triage that should be conducted with discernment
01:03:24.060 so for instance galatians chapter 6 the apostle paul says as often as you have opportunity see
01:03:29.820 right there he's hitting on the concept of finitude right why does he say as often as you
01:03:34.740 have opportunity well you have all the opportunity in the world you can do as much good as you
01:03:38.500 possibly want to do all the time says you know the post-war consensus pietist no but paul is a
01:03:44.260 big boy and he thinks with his logic hat on. So he doesn't say that because he's not stupid. 0.96
01:03:49.820 What Paul instead says is as often as you have opportunity, aka you don't always have 0.91
01:03:55.600 limitless opportunity because you're finite creatures, not just because you're sinners,
01:04:00.800 right? See James for sinful favoritism, but I'm talking about necessary, inevitable favoritism
01:04:06.660 that comes by virtue, not of being fallen, but rather being finite. And because you're creatures
01:04:11.160 and you don't have infinite therefore you don't have infinite resources as often as you have
01:04:16.300 opportunity do good to all if you can do good to all but especially the household of faith
01:04:24.240 and so what paul is saying is he's saying if you can when you have opportunity but you you won't
01:04:31.280 what's implied in that is you won't always have right all opportunity so as often implying there
01:04:36.720 are times when you don't but when you do have the opportunity do good to all but because you're
01:04:44.080 finite and therefore resources in this temporal world are also finite so when you have to choose
01:04:51.020 especially that is if you have to choose prioritize the household of faith so right there
01:04:57.520 you have the apostle paul talking about loving neighbor just like james talks about it and just
01:05:03.180 like john and first john talks about it what is true christian love for neighbor well it's not
01:05:07.080 just wishing them well right to be well fed and clothed and warm um but you know that's pietistic
01:05:12.360 gnostic language no no no it's it's to love them indeed it's to actually meet needs it's to love
01:05:17.680 them in physical practical tangible ways and so so first john talks about this james talks about
01:05:23.320 this now paul's talking about he's talking about that kind of love which is a distinctly christian
01:05:27.540 love for neighbor. It's a tangible, practical, real love. But Paul recognizes that you cannot
01:05:33.340 physically, practically love all of your neighbors with all of your things all of the time. So you
01:05:40.540 will have to do necessarily, inevitably, triage. And when you do, Paul gives a first category,
01:05:46.820 he talks about the house of faith. Then elsewhere, when talking to Titus, he gives another category,
01:05:52.240 which is a familial category where he says that if a man does not care for his own household 0.70
01:05:59.920 and the members of his family he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever so what's
01:06:06.380 paul saying that what if you were to go to paul and say hey you know what my my uh my youngest 0.95
01:06:10.980 child just died oh my gosh brother i'm so so sorry how'd that happen they starved to death
01:06:16.000 how did how did that happen well i've been working as hard as i can i don't want to be lazy but i
01:06:21.200 gave all of our food for the last six months uh to other families down the street paul would say 0.87
01:06:28.160 you've denied the faith and you're worse than an unbeliever well i gave it to other families 0.56
01:06:32.280 on the street because they were christian and my youngest child wasn't baptized yet and hadn't 0.99
01:06:35.320 made a profession of faith paul would say get behind me satan you've denied the faith and
01:06:40.220 you're worse than an unbeliever and yet boomer mindset evangelical christians that i know it
01:06:47.220 sounds like i just gave an extreme example but that is the the the inevitable destination of 0.63
01:06:53.920 their theological logic on a daily basis in their podcast in their sermons in their tweets you see
01:07:00.400 it you know it i don't have to convince you that is the logical destination of the pietistic
01:07:06.340 platitudes they offer on a daily basis and paul wouldn't have it james wouldn't have it john
01:07:14.000 wouldn't have it most importantly jesus would hate it he would hate their love for neighbor
01:07:20.460 because it is a pseudo alleged thin false love for neighbor love for neighbor yes it is indeed
01:07:29.160 and not mere word it comes with real physical tangible things material love cost but because
01:07:37.640 we're finite it necessarily involves triage and there is uh there is a hierarchy of of obligation
01:07:47.340 to certain specific neighbors i am to love all my neighbors so long as i have opportunity but
01:07:54.740 knowing that i'm finite and i live in a finite world i don't have limitless opportunity therefore
01:07:59.720 on a daily basis as a christian man i must exercise discernment and prioritize amongst
01:08:06.580 my neighbors which neighbors get the lion's share of my tangible love
01:08:12.160 i was about to say i provide a home basic bible food shelter protection love warmth to three
01:08:20.180 people my wife and my children right not children in uganda not not people elsewhere massive amounts
01:08:26.820 heaped upon them by god's grace and inheritance lavishing them to my children and my family
01:08:32.340 they're nearest and closest to me and this doesn't mean that you can't give anything right to other
01:08:36.400 children of course you can that's what missionaries do and that not just missionaries and the capital
01:08:41.460 m missionary proper those who are called and equipped and sent to go but that's what every
01:08:46.700 saint aka every christian does by by virtue of belonging to the christian church and i'm speaking
01:08:52.960 of the church institute through our tithes and offerings one of the things that churches local
01:08:58.580 churches should give to and then individual christian families on top of that can also give
01:09:02.460 to is tithing to their church and then the church institute as a portion of their tithes gives to
01:09:07.880 the poor and the widow and the orphan and then that christian family in addition to their tithes
01:09:12.020 the church they also can give an offering above that to the poor and the downtrodden and all
01:09:16.380 these things like of of course we see that in scripture as well where paul says that one a
01:09:21.380 church in one city uh gave to meet the incredible need of of an impoverished church in another city
01:09:27.400 And that was a wonderful thing.
01:09:28.760 So they're giving to these other brothers and sisters in Christ somewhere else that
01:09:33.060 are not their biological children.
01:09:34.680 They are not their familial wives and fathers and mothers and aunts and uncles.
01:09:39.140 But yet it was good and right.
01:09:41.160 But what we should read, because we have to have a whole biblical theology. 0.96
01:09:44.200 We cannot be biblicist. 1.00
01:09:46.300 I know that sounds like a good word. 0.99
01:09:48.060 Biblicism is actually heterodox, if not a heresy. 1.00
01:09:52.100 Biblicism is not a good thing.
01:09:53.600 biblicism is the idea of not having a robust hermeneutic that would be grammatical historical
01:10:00.220 literal and analogical or typological christological in other words a biblicist is someone who doesn't
01:10:07.280 know how to read the bible it is a fortune cookie bible scholar who rips out isolated passages of
01:10:13.980 scripture one verse at a time and makes it as though it's the end all be all and that the bible
01:10:18.440 says nothing else we want to have a whole biblical theology that takes all the passages of scripture
01:10:24.460 into account and and that doesn't impose man's system upon the god-breathed text but rather is
01:10:31.760 still a systematic theology because we view the character and nature of god to be orderly and not
01:10:38.380 chaotic and therefore we assume that god has a system this is actually not us eisegeting into
01:10:44.640 the text but merely exegeting the text we will see and find discover that god has a system of
01:10:50.860 virtue a system of ethics a system of thought and they take and then we are commanded and employed
01:10:56.180 to take the whole and not a mere part stripped out of context and when you do that what do you
01:11:01.400 find will you find new testament churches giving not to just their wives and kids but to another
01:11:05.660 new testament church in another town because they're impoverished you also find you can do
01:11:09.300 good to all but especially prioritizing the household of faith but you also find that you're 0.99
01:11:14.060 worse than an unbeliever if you don't care for your wife and kids first and you put it all
01:11:18.020 together and then and then what do you end up with well you end up with generous you should 0.79
01:11:22.920 i'll say that you should end up with generous christians who do care about brothers and christ
01:11:28.460 brothers and sisters in christ who they're not related to in a familial sense and even brothers
01:11:34.720 and sisters in christ on in other parts of the world and love them and care about them not just
01:11:40.120 prayers but but as they have opportunity intangible physical monetary weights but also are wise men
01:11:47.520 as the proverb says leaving an inheritance for their children's children are working hard so
01:11:51.500 that their wives per titus 2 can be keepers at home and they're not having to rely upon them
01:11:56.800 for a second income or ship their kids off to the state to go to a public school but they're
01:12:02.520 actually able to have the wife home to help with homeschooling or make enough money to give them
01:12:07.700 a distinctly christian education in a private classical christian school all that takes cash
01:12:12.540 and you are not loving your neighbor as yourself if you're giving uh to to the person on the other
01:12:19.620 side of the world to the the detriment of you know what we give uh five hundred dollars a month to
01:12:26.060 children in uganda um but that requires us financially in our budget to send our own
01:12:31.180 children to the public school right now then you're in sin brother you're not loving your
01:12:36.240 neighbor as yourself because that commandment has a hierarchy and your closer neighbor demands more
01:12:42.760 of your love and your children are a closer neighbor than someone else's children that's
01:12:47.820 why for instance i'll just put it like this that's why i'm going to be voting for donald trump
01:12:51.440 because as much as i hate abortion and let me just be clear i don't hate it enough right we don't hate
01:12:57.560 it enough right god hates abortion with with a perfect hatred right i think of david do i not
01:13:04.340 hate your enemies oh god with a perfect hatred i'm not there david was more righteous than me
01:13:09.160 i do not hate progressives who love the blood of unborn children enough david hated his enemies 0.51
01:13:15.880 with a perfect hatred and the lord honored him for it i don't hate abortion and those who commit
01:13:21.820 abortion as much as i should that said i do by god's grace as i'm being sanctified i am growing
01:13:27.740 in the hatred of abortion and those who promulgate it more and more on a daily basis however as much
01:13:34.000 as i hate abortion here's my point i will still vote for donald trump who at this point let's be
01:13:39.880 honest we would not have had the overturning of roe without him and yet he also at this point
01:13:45.400 and the current campaign that he's running yep the current platform that he's running it is not
01:13:50.020 a pro-life platform right and i have to be honest about that and yet he will have my vote do you
01:13:54.340 know why because i love back to natural affections natural loves and that the order of of love and
01:14:02.380 affection and and this hierarchy within baked into the second commandment of loving your neighbor
01:14:06.600 not all of your neighbors were finite we can't love them all the same and loving my closest
01:14:11.080 neighbor my family my kids more than my furthest neighbor somebody else's kids because of that
01:14:16.000 as much as i hate abortion and as much as i want to see other people's children not murdered in
01:14:21.860 the womb um i love i love my born children more than i love the unborn children of someone else
01:14:30.660 what does that mean it means that um that i cannot piss in the wind with my vote i cannot
01:14:39.600 be a beautiful loser right i must actually use my vote for a guy who is not running right now
01:14:46.200 as a pro-life candidate and it breaks my heart and it angers god and i'm going to tell donald 0.98
01:14:51.720 j trump president trump you are in sin and you need to repent you need to repent and you need
01:14:57.500 to protect the lives of unborn children and yet you will still have my vote and i hope that many
01:15:02.940 many millions of other christians give you that vote as well because you are still better than
01:15:08.280 your opponent who is more pro-abortion and because you so far have told me that you will protect my
01:15:16.600 born children and i live in a border state in texas with three young girls a fourth girl on
01:15:23.420 away and a wife and there is a full-blown invasion of military-aged men pouring across
01:15:29.680 my southern border just a few hours away and if you promise to seal up that border and deport
01:15:35.880 men who are committing crimes and are a threat a physical threat to my wife and my daughters
01:15:42.500 then you will have my vote even as you don't stand as the defense that you should be against
01:15:48.160 the murder of the unborn do you see those categories there boys and girls owen strand
01:15:53.120 do you see those categories that you see how we do this that you can do that and none of that was
01:15:57.440 in contradiction none of that oh so joel's not really pro-life anymore oh joel's not an abolitionist
01:16:02.300 anymore nope equal penalties equal protections no second uh victim narrative the uh no i am a
01:16:10.240 christian nationalist abortion is worthy of capital punishment not just for the hit men that is the
01:16:16.420 abortion doctor but also for the mother and any father any other family member who coerces her 0.61
01:16:21.580 that is where we're going that's where we get and even when it comes to the submission of bills
01:16:27.060 it should be it must be just bills god abhors unequal weights and measures it must be just
01:16:34.060 bills that means it can't be incremental bills that split the penny a million times that say
01:16:38.140 you can murder on wednesday but not on thursday no it must be bills that abolish abortion all the
01:16:43.740 way but when it comes to a presidential federal vote after the primaries in a general election
01:16:51.280 when one of two guys will win whether you like it or not then you put on your politics cap
01:16:56.660 and with a clear conscience i my wife and i will not be plugging our noses we will go noses unplugged
01:17:03.760 we will both vote for donald trump and for the record i'm a guy who thinks the 19th amendment 0.88
01:17:08.780 should be repealed see this is another example of thinking like a big boy i don't think women
01:17:14.340 should be able to vote my wife doesn't think women should be able to vote and me and my wife will
01:17:18.820 both be using our vote for as long as we have it because i'm not going to allow i'm not going to 1.00
01:17:24.140 be a beautiful loser and on principle half our households vote well i technically i think 0.70
01:17:31.140 biblically that a woman shouldn't vote and therefore we're going to no no no we're going 0.98
01:17:34.700 to go together and i'm going to get my full household vote by my wife right now in our 0.91
01:17:39.940 current state of american politics she's going to vote right alongside me we're going to vote
01:17:44.340 for donald trump and we're going to sleep like babies and we're not going to have a guilty
01:17:49.260 conscience and we're going to also say donald trump repent of your sins believe upon the lord
01:17:54.660 jesus christ and protect the unborn child and knock out this liberal progressive pro-abortion 0.98
01:18:00.940 crap it's sin god hates it get it together we can do this this is not hard you guys got you're 0.99
01:18:08.040 saying that we can walk and chew gum at the same time here you would think well we so when i say 0.99
01:18:13.160 we i mean we i think i think that three christians currently in american evangelicalism can do this
01:18:20.700 that's what i mean we uh but my prayer is that maybe it could be more than just the three of us
01:18:25.800 you know i i'm hoping that that more christians could and i know i've been long-winded i always
01:18:31.460 am but especially long-winded in this episode but i'm hoping i'm trying to not just teach a
01:18:36.500 principle but i'm also trying to give case studies and examples of like the voting for trump or the
01:18:41.060 19th amendment or the abolition versus protecting the border and all i the reason i'm saying this
01:18:46.980 is because one it's incredibly timely and and relevant and just see point a this is also why
01:18:51.720 right-wing watch clips me out that's right because they don't want trump to win and they know that
01:18:55.660 although i actually disagree with like a ton of trump stuff they know that uh joel webin um
01:19:02.520 if people are listening to joel webin they might vote for trump so you know so they're trying to
01:19:06.780 like look how extreme he is look how extreme he is but um but the reason i gave all these examples
01:19:11.140 that the trump vote the the 19th amendment the abolitionism and the border and illegal immigration
01:19:18.260 and legal immigration, all these things is, one, it does go with the Owen tweet. It goes with the
01:19:24.140 right-wing watch clipping me out, multiculturalism, diversity is our strength. It goes with the theme
01:19:28.260 of today. But it also is just trying to demonstrate for you, the listener, not just instructing in a
01:19:35.640 principle, but demonstrating by example how to think theologically and politically in categories
01:19:42.780 that um are distinct and different but not contradicting right they are these are distinct
01:19:49.560 thoughts an abolitionist yep but also he's going to vote for trump yeah those are two different
01:19:55.380 thoughts but they are not necessarily in contradiction that's right yeah they're not
01:20:00.840 and and honestly there's a lot of guys right now i think part of my heart is just pastoral
01:20:06.180 i'm thinking pastorally a lot of you guys you need uh your your conscience has been wrongfully
01:20:10.700 bound yeah your conscience has been wrongfully bound in part by some abolitionists abolitionists
01:20:16.840 who are brothers and more than just brothers they're my friends right i love them yeah these
01:20:20.740 are guys i'm in signal threads with guys i love and i think they're wrong respectfully these are
01:20:25.240 great guys some of them are better men than me but on this uh this particular issue um i think
01:20:30.940 they're wrong and i think they have uh wrongfully bound um some of our brothers and sisters
01:20:35.920 consciences and so pastorally i'm i'm seeking to make my arguments to unbind those consciences
01:20:40.380 so that you can still be an abolitionist you can care for the unborn you can call uh kings and 0.91
01:20:47.220 princes to account and you can get your butt with your wife in a voting booth and and check the box 0.71
01:20:54.220 for donald j trump we you gotta do it okay go ahead i i just my last comment is it seems like 0.97
01:21:02.220 so much of what we have going on here is the tyranny, a new kind of tyranny. We have the
01:21:06.840 tyranny of the weaker brother that has been discussed. This is the tyranny of the private
01:21:11.100 charity. It is good and right to have a heart for the lost. I mean, the early church made a name for
01:21:17.780 itself rescuing babies who were left out to exposure, right? Like that is a good and right
01:21:23.600 compassion that we ought to have. And yet not all of the Christians at that time could take in a
01:21:29.040 baby who was left out for exposure and so then then to say that the official policy of the church
01:21:33.620 and then some sort of official national policy is that everyone has to take in a baby who is
01:21:38.580 like for exposure is taking something that is good that god loves god christian god loves your
01:21:44.080 heart for the lost yeah he loves your heart for the hurting fantastic that doesn't mean it has
01:21:50.440 to be national policy or even your official church uh elder board policy god loves owen strand's
01:21:57.220 heart for the hindu yep yeah um what god doesn't love is owen strand's inability to recognize that 0.92
01:22:05.060 currently we have too many hindus yeah and that we shouldn't import anymore yep because it's not 0.96
01:22:09.860 loving to his own family i was talking to a brother this afternoon about this and it's like i love 1.00
01:22:13.920 i can't comprehend uh not loving my own family my own people here in my town to my church
01:22:19.260 not loving them to the degree that i would turn a blind eye to their replacement to their
01:22:23.780 disenfranchisement to their over taxation so because i love them yeah that's what's making
01:22:28.640 me say this because that's literally what it is i mean the you know it's not a myth it's not a
01:22:33.420 conspiracy it is a statistical fact and the bad guys are literally saying it out loud right at
01:22:38.200 first the first step is that's uh that's preposterous that's a conspiracy it's not happening
01:22:41.720 the second is uh well yeah it's happening but it's good right um and that's that's what's being said
01:22:47.840 at this point the great replacement theory is not a theory it's a fact and and there's chuck
01:22:53.360 schumer literally said it out loud just like a month and a half ago said it's happening and it's 0.98
01:22:57.920 great is objecting to it too exactly well because the black community here's the thing the black
01:23:02.000 community is a part of heritage america yep they are um there i i have black neighbors who can track
01:23:09.520 back their family ancestry um much further than i can here in america not nigeria right so that now 0.93
01:23:17.580 now if you're black and and you have a work visa and you're from nigeria and you're not a citizen
01:23:22.360 well that's different right but i'm talking about black americans truly american that's a part of
01:23:27.260 heritage heritage america does not mean it's not a code word for 100 white right has it historically
01:23:34.140 been predominant has the majority of it been white yes yeah well that's just a fact i mean you know
01:23:39.020 you don't have to look at that many paintings from the founders to know you know like you know so i
01:23:43.580 mean it'd be stupid if i tried to pretend like it was right of course it is constitution wasn't
01:23:47.600 multi-racial just great benjamin franklin was white we all know that george washington was
01:23:52.260 white thomas jefferson was so of course it was predominantly white but it was not exclusively
01:23:56.120 white uh heritage america was not exclusively white but it was i would argue it was um a monoculture
01:24:04.100 even the guys who oh well some of them were deist and unitarians thomas jefferson sure uh-huh yeah
01:24:09.460 that was a minority report go read ben franklin's speech to the continental congress which is one of
01:24:15.180 the most christian things that you can ever read in your life and he was the most liberal deist
01:24:19.360 on the whole board right and he would be and he would make most conservative christians today
01:24:24.260 uh seem like libs yep right yep so so we uh it was not all exclusive white um but it was
01:24:31.300 predominantly white because it was predominantly western and these were european nations that
01:24:35.600 historically over millennia were predominantly white um but it was not exclusively white but
01:24:41.180 it was a monoculture it was a christian milieu a christian founding and distinctly a protestant
01:24:46.440 christian founding there were some catholics but a lot of them came later it was predominantly
01:24:50.540 from the founding it was puritan it was covenanters it was westminster i'll even own that
01:24:56.600 it wasn't predominantly baptist it was predominantly presbyterian and then there
01:25:00.240 was some anglican and episcopalian and baptist um certainly the congregationalists that technically
01:25:05.780 weren't presbyterian but they're still paedo-baptist and westminster for the most part
01:25:09.420 different in their polity uh but that was our culture it was christian number one protestant
01:25:15.180 number two mostly presbyterian number three and i as a baptist and willing to recognize that and i
01:25:21.660 give that's part of the reason you might want to you know there's been a running joke for three
01:25:25.540 years like when's joel going to become a presbyterian when's joel going to become a
01:25:28.380 presbyterian uh he's you know because he's so friendly uh with all the presbyterians you know
01:25:32.600 one of the reasons why i'm friendly with the presbyterians um one of the reasons why is
01:25:36.260 because i live in america and it's their country it's the the black robe regiment the presbyterian
01:25:42.860 revolt it is a presbyterian that they that they uh the presbyterian my presbyterian ancestors
01:25:49.680 are are the ones even more than my baptist ancestors but the baptists helped it's not
01:25:55.240 like the baptists didn't do anything but the presbyterians um they carried the lion's share
01:25:59.680 of uh of the the fight for independence and all these different things in the founding
01:26:04.540 of our nation. So we were a monoculture nation. That doesn't mean a monocolor. Culture is what
01:26:15.380 we're talking about, not color. Get your head out of color and think about culture. He doesn't want
01:26:23.340 Indian neighbors because they're brown. No, I don't want Indian neighbors because they worship 1.00
01:26:28.680 cows that's why they're pagans delicious and steak is delicious yeah they need to be proselytized to 1.00
01:26:36.720 the lord jesus christ and they also need to become carnivores and because both will benefit them
01:26:41.860 immensely and so but anyway that's what we're talking about we need uh to diversity is not
01:26:46.560 our strength we are fractured so splintered so far right now as a nation and that's why we have 1.00
01:26:52.500 such crazy crime that's why we have crazy taxes because we're paying for all these immigrants 1.00
01:26:57.620 right every time you see a video of illegal immigrants being put up in a in a bougie hotel 1.00
01:27:03.700 do you think what do you think that that the money just falls out of the sky you paid for 0.93
01:27:09.500 that hotel so that vacation that your kids didn't get to go on where you would have stayed in that
01:27:14.320 that nice hotel you paid for uh somebody else's kids your kids didn't go get to go to the hotel
01:27:19.840 for the summer vacation because you paid for someone else that's evil that's wicked yep and
01:27:24.900 that has to stop and if that's anti-great commission then owen strand good night you
01:27:31.780 shouldn't you have no business being a theologian and working with seminaries and teaching the
01:27:37.280 people of god doctrine right my goodness any final thoughts no that was good all right last
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